Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - January 6, 2024

Episode Date: January 6, 2024

Listen to this week's No Spin News interview with William Doyle, Ph.D. of the Caesar Rodney Election Research Institute and Mark Penn, Co-chair of the Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll. We also visit the No Spin News archives and Bill's conversation with Former Congressman Pete King. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. All right, joining us now is a guy who's been tracking this, and I read his latest article, and I was very impressed by it, which is why you're going to see him. His name is Dr. William Doyle. He is the research director for the Caesar Rodney. Caesar Rodney is one of the founding fathers, a Delaware guy, election research institute in Irving, Texas.

from where Dr. Doyle joins us. Caesar Rodney, huh? I mean, you and me, we know him, but not a lot of other people, they go, Caesar Rodney? Is he a Roman emperor? He's an important man. He actually showed up in person to vote.

Yeah, and he's a Delaware guy. I don't know if he liked Biden very much. Okay, very specifically. I've been saying from the jump that the Zuckerberg infusion of $400 million into five states has been unexplained. It is dangerous. What say you?

I think the Doug Bucks thing that by which he funneled $332 million through the Center for Technology and Civic Life and about $75 million for the Center for Election, Innovation, and research. It is the big story of the 2020 election, in my view. We've been reporting on that and analyzing that for the last two years. And let me stop you. That story has not been reported. I'm one of the few journalists who even raised it. It's totally blanked out.

Now, from your article, I'm going to make this interview easy for you. You believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, that a lot of this money was paid to people. to people in cities like Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Detroit, to go into nursing homes, elderly apartments, give these people votes, help them fill a votes out for Biden, take the votes to a so-called drop box where they were reported late into the evening and through the election to Biden. Do I have it? You have it roughly correct. I mean, they funneled all this money into these election

offices, basically commandeered them and used them for get out the vote efforts for Joe Biden using practices like the ones you just described. Yes. Is that illegal? That's the problem. It seems to be an illegal gray area, but it should be illegal. It is illegal. I I think in 31 states now, it's like nobody could see this coming. And when it started happening, nobody really even knew about it until late in the summer of 2020. Nobody really knew what to make of it or what to do about it. Now, some of the things that were done in connection with that money, I think, were illegal.

Electioneering, there might have been misappropriation of money because all this $330 million funneled into local elections. election offices with no accounting oversight is really a mess. And for example, in Wisconsin, when the Wisconsin Election Commission gave permission, gave people permission to fill out mail-in ballots with the qualification that they were disabled, that they were not able to make it to the polling place, that was illegal. Yeah, so the people brought the ballots in rather than sending them in the mail, which you're legally, the states can do, if you petition, look, I need a mail-in-ballot

because I can't walk. So send it to my address. I'll fill it out and send it back. That's not what happened in a lot of cases. These highly paid people got the ballots, brought them in, and then said, well, people were disabled, but there was no proof to that, correct? Right. Right.

As a matter of fact, people in Wisconsin were encouraged to use fear of catching COVID as an excuse for disability so that they wouldn't have to vote in person, and obviously that's illegal. Furthermore, I believe the Wisconsin Supreme Court, after the election, judged that those ballot drop boxes that CTCL money was used to pay for, were illegal. So every ballot that was put in a ballot drop box in Wisconsin was technically an illegitimate ballot because there should never- The U.S. Supreme Court wasn't challenged on it and didn't rule on it, which is what you would have happen. Now, when you have a system where there's this much money, and again, people are being

paid to do this, all right? So there are people going out with ballots, physical ballots, going into people's rooms, apartments, homes, telling the person, this is what you have to do, the person does it, Biden for president, they take the ballot, they put it in a drop box. Those get an enormous amount of money for doing that paid for by Zuckerberg, correct? Yes. That's just shocking that that is what we have right now in play in the United States. Some of that is mitigated by the states, as you mentioned, but some of it isn't. It's going to happen all over again.

You know how much money they spent? Do you know how much money CTCL spent in Georgia, Bill? $45 million. They spent a little over $10 million in Wisconsin, but Georgia was the number one state. And you saw how hotly contested Georgia was. $45 million, mainly into 10 election offices. Yeah, Fulton County.

And that's what the Trump people have. Now, if that's a fact, and I believe it is, okay, why didn't Raffensberger and the Georgia Republican authorities flagged that all day long? That's the $60,000 question. Maybe it was because they thought that the CTCL money would not hurt their election chances, and maybe they're part of that faction of the Republican Party that would prefer that Donald Trump was out of the picture so that their hegemony over the party would be supreme.

as you know, there are a lot of, not a lot, but there are some powerful Republicans would prefer that Donald Trump just went away. Yeah, sure. Are you worried, final question, are you worried that this Zuckerberg thing could influence the election of 2024? Are you worried about that? I'm very worried about it. And here's why.

When you spend that much money in building up a kind of shadow election system in 2020, that money is not just poured down a sinkhole. It's used to create an infrastructure. It's like building a factory. And that infrastructure can be used in subsequent elections to do the exact same thing that it accomplished in 2020. It may not have exactly the same amount of walking around money that the original scheme had. But based on my analysis of what happened in 2022, in Georgia anyway, that residual infrastructure is still alive and well and working to turn out democratic ballots in those five states.

All right, doctor, we appreciate it very much. Keep us posted if you find out more specifics. And again, the Trump campaign has all that information now. And they are going to present the information. I told you this, I read it, to the Supreme Court. All right? And so things may happen now, but this is, you're not going to get this kind of repartage anywhere else. This is what's in play.

So at least the Supreme Court will learn what the doctor learned, what I learned last night, at least the allegations. Okay, they'll know that, and I think that's an important thing. You're listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war, shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver.

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Hey, I'm Caitlin Becker, the host of the New York Postcast, and I've got exactly what you need to start your weekdays. Every morning, I'll bring you the stories that matter, plus the news people actually talk about. juicy details in the world's politics, business, pop culture, and everything in between. It's what you want from the New York Post wrapped up in one snappy show. Ask your smart speaker to play the NY Postcast podcast. Listen and subscribe on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Joining us now from Miami, not a bad place to be in January, Mark Penn, who's the chairman of the Harvard, Harris poll, which will have some numbers coming out in the middle of this month. We follow that

poll. We believe that poll is responsible. Mr. Penn is a Harvard grad and obviously is working with Harvard now. So do you have any thoughts on the brouhaha that has developed in Cambridge? Well, I think President Gay did the right thing. Her position was really unsustainable. at this point between donors, teachers, congressional investigations, and ever-mounting allegations of plagiarism that were really written up extensively by the Harvard Crimson at first. And then, you know, Moore was found. I looked at it. It was pretty convincing that cut and paste was something that she did frequently, according to, if you just look at it. So I think this had to break this way.

It'll be interesting to see whether or not the corporate directors who are mostly, you know, former Obama administration officials is really quite interesting how the Harvard Corporation became mostly Obama appointed officials who appoint themselves. And as a Harvard grad, I always thought the overseers that we vote for actually had the power. and so i was kind of shocked to learn that that wasn't the case at all no what about the most people don't go to harvard they can't go to harvard they don't care about harvard but this whole thing as i pointed out my memo today influences politics in this country does it not well look i i do think this is a a watershed event here on some big issues that had been brewing and when i look

back at my last poll, you know, I had a very specific question, right? I questioned, do you think, look, everybody in the world heard about this congressional hearing. It's really, it's really astounding. And 74% said that presidents who said that calls for genocide on Jews on their campuses are not necessarily a violation of a school code of conduct and harassment policies, because it depends on the context. Should they resigned, 74% said they should resign. In fact, interestingly, everybody agreed, even younger people who agreed. But I think that the, you know, what I try to do with the poll is really ask a lot of questions that I don't think are asked everywhere. And I said, look, you know,

do you think that identity politics based on race has come to dominate our elite university? 64% agreed with that. And again, 69% of 18 to 20,000. 24-year-olds. But the real incredible question to me said, there's an ideology that white people are oppressors and non-white people of certain groups have been oppressed. And as a result, should be favored today at universities and for employment. Do you support this ideology, 35, oppose at 65? But then when I look at 18 to 24, 79% support that ideology. Yeah, because they don't know anything. I mean, they're not out. the real world they don't see for themselves what's really happening in the marketplace they live in a dream world where they get a lot of stuff on the internet from the sites that they favor let's talk about the upcoming uh because this is what's going to be on bill o'reilly dot com in the notes of the news we are going to have the best election coverage and you're one of

the smartest guys in this arena so the iowa caucus is a lock for trump as i said last night because it's full of MAG of people, and maybe Haley will do a little bit better than expected, but that's the last stand for Ducantis. Am I wrong? No, I think you're right about that. I think that first of all, the Iowa caucus is not really been very predictive on the Republican side.

When I looked at this a few months ago, it turned out that New Hampshire primary is really pretty predictive. Winners of the New Hampshire primary often won the Republican nomination, winners of the Iowa caucus, because it's a much more conservative evangelical group than, say, in the 23 states where independent voters are going to be able to vote. And so I think Iowa is really going to be DeSantis's last stand or not, and New Hampshire is really going to be the opportunity for Nikki Haley or not. Well, let's get on to that.

Because my reporting shows that there is an organized movement on the Democratic side to have New Hampshire Democrats vote for Nikki Haley to embarrass Donald Trump. A lot of money going in to make that happen right now as we speak. And I do believe it will happen. And the New Hampshire primary will be closer than most people think. Trump will win, but not by a large margin. whereupon the anti-Trump media will grab that for at least a week and say Trump's weak, Trump's damaged, bump, bum, bum, bum, bum, but it's not a Republican primary. Anybody can vote for whoever they want, right?

Well, that is right, and especially when there's no democratic contest. Nobody, nobody to go for. So all the hate Trumpers are going to vote for Haley. So I say that the New Hampshire primary doesn't mean anything. See, I thought, though, the Democrats were going to tell their people to vote for Trump. No, no, they fear Trump now. And that poll I just gave you from the economist, all right, proves it. They fear Trump because Trump's beating Biden in a number of this wing states.

But anyway, I don't think the New Hampshire primary means nothing. But wait do you see what the media does. Now, for you, Mark Penn, what is the most important issue in the campaign? What do you think the most important issue is? Hey, it's Sean Spicer from the Sean Spicer Show podcast, reminding you to turn into my show every day to get your daily dose inside the world of politics. President Trump and his team are shaking up Washington like never before, and we're here to cover it from all sides, especially on the topics the mainstream media won't.

So if you're a political junkie on a late lunch or getting ready for the drive home, new episodes of the Sean Spicer Show podcast drop at 2 p.m. East Coast every day. Make sure you tune in. You can find us at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. Power, politics, and the people behind the headlines. I'm Miranda Devine, New York Post columnist, and the host of the brand new podcast, Podforce One. Every week, I'll sit down for candid conversations.

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you know, it's really interesting. International affairs, despite how big it is in the news and how frankly it's important to me, only 2%. There's almost no interest in international affairs. Well, because people living day to day with that paying for necessities. That's number one. And the border outrage is number two. I can't understand. how President Biden can risk his entire legacy with the open border policy. I don't know where he's coming from on that. Do you? I have been completely puzzled that, in fact, the administration didn't accept some kind of deal

to get the funding they want for Ukraine and Israel in exchange for border protections when he could say, oh, the Republicans dragged me over, but most of the swing voters at this point are saying, you know, immigration is a real issue here. I know. Because the Democrats, the Democrats are screaming, and Biden still won't do anything. It is just one of these historical things that I don't know if it'll ever be clarified.

Certainly Biden's not going to clarify it. What about the dissatisfaction within the Democratic Party about by we see and a lot of this is propaganda i will acknowledge from the right wing and the republicans they're putting out that Hispanics don't like Biden anymore that blacks are defecting from him that the democratic party doesn't want him what is true from your perspective yeah i have been puzzled by why the what's called more republican leaning media always tries to pick on Biden and say that the Democrats don't support it. Biden's getting 72% of the primary vote. He's well liked among Democrats, you know, while obviously his polling isn't good and it's going

to be a really tough reelection. The truth is Democrats are more consolidated around Biden than I would say even. Well, there's nobody else though. You consolidate about there's nobody else. But independence don't like a mark. And you know that's the key. to the next president. It's the independent vote. They don't like Biden at all. No, they don't. But the truth is, both Biden and Trump are running, let's call them personal favorables around 40% each, right? If you look in the electorate, maybe Trump is up to 43, 44 in my poll, which is much higher than I've seen it. Biden, as you say, is around, you know, is you look at that poll,

think it's a fair poll. So neither can't it is getting a majority support. But this whole talk about Democrats defecting from Biden, not really seeing that. And as you said, if they were really defecting, you would have had opposition. You didn't have opposition. No, well, it's a money play. But I think Biden is going to bail for health reasons. And the convention then will nominate someone else. That's my scenario for it. I can't imagine them putting him up again. I just can't because it's going get worse for him. Hunter Biden thing's going to get worse for him. His age, he's not making a comeback anytime soon. I mean, you and I are old guys, we're pretty spry. He's not. All right, Mark. Mark Penn, I hope you'll check in with us. I know you're really busy, and I got to tell the audience,

I really appreciate you coming on to know it's been news to tell us about it. And when you put out your new poll, hopefully reach you back and we'll analyze what you found out, okay? Thank you. Right now, we'll have a new poll towards the later part of the month, but you know, public opinion hasn't moved months and much in months. No, but with the Supreme Court making their ruling and more Hunter Biden stuff coming up, I think you might see a little bit of movement, but who knows? Mark Penn, thank you very much. We appreciate it. Here's a gem from the No Spin News Vault. Joining us now is former Republican Congress from Peter King.

He served for 18 years, served our country for 18 years, and he was the House Homeland Security Committee Chair from 2011 to 2013. So in these committees, we've seen partisan displays almost every time there's something investigated. Best is Brett Kavanaugh, which was a disgraceful expedition. Do you think that this Afghan stuff is going to be partisan with the Democrats in charge? It will be partisan, but what chairman you're talking about there are among the more normal Democrats, if I can put it that way. It's not going to be, I hope, not similar to the Brett Cabinor, extravagance that went on. That was just a disgrace. Thank God it's not Adam Schiff, and he's not involved of any Thompson, the Homeland Security Committee.

They'd be much more partisan. But what's important here is they, I hope the chairman themselves, and Jack Reed also, he's a West Point graduate, he's a dedicated guy, that they have some leverage here, or they have some leeway in which way the committee's going to go. It could well be that Chuck Schumer is going to control the Democratic hearings or the Senate hearings, and Nancy Pelosi, the House hearings, and they can do that with pressure, they can just sort of put their foot down and put limitations on how long the hearings are going to go, how many witnesses

can be called. Generally, the majority party calls two of the three witnesses or three of the four witnesses, depending on how many panels you have. So you can stack the investigation in a way that it can cover up what's happening. And then in that case, it's really up to the Republicans to do their work. And in the time available to them with their questioning, that they really ask tough questions. And they, it's not just enough to ask questions that day, like if Blinkley's out there or Secretary Austin, you know, they can filibuster and they can, you know, during a three-minute or five-minute question and answer session, they can run out the clock. So it's important to have research done beforehand, have sources in the Defense Department, in the State Department,

people who know what's going on in the White House and find out what Joe Biden knew, when he knew it. Did he ever approach this with an open mind? Or did he just come in and tell his people, I want us out of Afghanistan no matter what? Do you ever consider, for instance, maintaining a a small base of operations out of Afghanistan. Did he ever consider extending the time and instead it appears as if he put pressure on the Afghans to move more quickly and to put a more rosy picture on it that was really happening?

So a lot's going to depend on the Republicans in the minority. I think Menendez and Reid will be reasonably fair in the Senate. Greg Meeks, I know him fairly well. They're going to be under pressure. And also, Adam Smith, of the four of them, is probably the guy who would be considered most, military, if you will, a pro-strong national defense, but it's going to be tough. Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine the Democrats throwing Biden under the bus trying to hurt Biden.

I just can't imagine it. So even the witnesses that are going to be called, are you telling me that only the Democrats have the power to name the witnesses they want, or do the Republicans? They can call one? Is that what you said? generally the way it's done is if there's going to be four, it depends on how many panels, how many series of witnesses, but usually one third or one quarter of the witnesses can be called by the minority party. I think what the Democrats you want to try to do is obfuscate and create this equivalence between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, and they're also going to go back probably to George W. Bush, and they're going to try and make this just one big confusing situation, and yeah, Joe Biden wasn't perfect, but he made the best of a bad situation. I think that's what they're going to try and say. Not giving outright. defense, they're going to say with the poor guy, he made the best of a terrible situation that he was left. Now, if you lie before the committees, that's a felony, correct?

Yes, it is, yeah. All right. So, but you don't have to answer a yes or no question, even if the Republicans do research and do have facts. You can ask a question to, I don't know, Blinken or whoever is there, and Blinken doesn't really have to answer it. It's not like me interviewing you. if you don't answer, I can come in and, you know, browbeat you on the air.

They can't do that, right? Well, they can try, but then there are five minutes to run out. And then, you know, the time will go up to a Democrat who will try to rehabilitate Blankin. So generally, a clever witness can run out the clock. And if he doesn't want to give an honest answer, but not necessarily give a dishonest answer, he can put out a confusing message, and he can delay it. Use a lot of big words. And then they say, you know, times,

by it. That's bloviating. I don't know whether you saw the interview last night that we did with Senator Lieberman, but it was quite something because he's a very knowledgeable guy, a Democrat, but he knows as much about the world as anyone. And his point of view on Afghanistan is, you know, 180 degrees opposite to presidents. But the thing that I asked him was, you know Joe Biden for decades. He served with Biden. You were friendly. And you were friendly. with Biden, okay, is he a diminished man? And Lieberman said, yeah. Do you see that? I mean, you don't know Biden as much because you're in the House, but I think that this is getting to be

a crisis as far as his ability to actually do the job as president. Yeah, let me say two things. First over, Joe Biden, you cannot get a more honorable, decent, or straightforward guy with no ranker or malice at all in Joe Biden. He's absolutely probably the best person I met the whole 28 years I was down in Congress. That's number one. Are you talking about Biden or are you talking about Lieberman? I'm sorry, Joe Lieberman. Yeah, you said Biden, so.

I just saved your butt now, Congressman. So you're talking about Joseph Lieberman, not your butt. Go ahead. Bill Lieberman is honest and, in fact, more honest and has more class and quality than anyone I ever met in Congress. Now, as far as Joe Biden, Joe Biden, I didn't know obviously as well as Joe Lieberman, but did, but I met him a number of times. And yeah, I always felt that even though sometimes you could say some flaky things or whatever,

but he was pretty sharp. His eyes were sort of penetrating, he would look at you when he was talking. And now he has that sort of vague look at his eye, and he seems to be wandering. And, no, I think, listen, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a psychologist, but I definitely think that Joe Biden has slipped. And, you know, the level of it would have to look at. No, he's definitely slipped. Do you have any information or opinion on who is the real power in the White House right now? I'm only going on secondhand information.

I've heard Susan Rice may have much more impact than she should. And she, of course, will be very close to the Obama. So maybe you can add up, you know, two and two there and get four. Hopefully it's not two and two adds five. But, I mean, it's, I don't think Blinken really is that influential. So I don't know who it is. I mean, you know, Ron Klink is the Chief of Staff. He's, I think it's Ron Klein.

He's a pretty able guy. But I don't know with President Biden. Even like in Afghanistan, everything he said has been wrong from the beginning. And listen, he could have a policy I can strongly disagree with. If he has coherent reasons for it, that's his progress of his president. I just feel he's, you know, just running loose here. Okay, Congressman, we really appreciate it. Thank you very much for help.

us out and you can hear the congressman on wabc radio uh i interact with him there sometimes and very nice of you to help us out congressman we'll talk again thank you thank you very much thank you for listening to the no spend news weekend edition to watch the full episodes of the no spin news visit bill o'reilly dot com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member that's bill o'reilly dot com sign