Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - July 12, 2025

Episode Date: July 12, 2025

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Welcome to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. Deportation, migrants. So, President travels in Moines, Iowa, July 3rd. Farmers are screaming, look, we don't have enough help. We can't get people to work in the fields, can't harvest our crops. We need to have migrants do that. And here's what President Trump said. We've got to work with the farmers and people that have hotels and leisure properties, too.

We're going to work with them, and we're going to work very strong and smart. And we're going to put you in charge. We're going to make you responsible. And I think that that's going to make a lot of people happy. Now, serious radical right people, who I also happen to like a lot, they may not be quite as happy, but they'll understand. No. And I can understand. The hard right, the older right, wants all migrants deport.

I'll just give you one. There's a million of them. You can just go on X and all these places. And this is from a woman named Melissa Melendez, Melendez. From California, you used to be a state senator out there, quote. So if I'm not to understand this correctly, we should look the other way regarding illegal immigration. As long as it's in the construction hotel or restaurant industries, this is far beyond disappointing. It's infuriated.

So Ms. Melendez and members of the hard right want everybody who's here without proper credentials out. But Trump and other people say, look, we get to a crisis stage with workers because we can't fill the jobs, particularly in agriculture, service industry, jobs, that kind of thing. But this solution is fairly easy. Congress should pass laws that give out more green cards. Okay, special visas to do agricultural work. That's what should happen. It's not hard. Trump gets behind it. They can do it tomorrow because the Democrats all vote for that.

All right, I got a guy I book today I want to talk to. His name is Jose Antonio Vargas. He comes to us from Berkeley, California. He's got a book out and paperback. Originally, he wrote this book in September 18, but he's upgraded it. In the introduction of the book, he cites me. Quote, since publicly declaring my undocumented status to Thel Levin, greeted by the likes of Bill O'Reilly as the most famous illegal in America, I visited cities and towns of 49 states engaging all kinds of people. Most Americans I discovered have no idea the immigration system works, what the immigration citizenship process requires, how difficult if not downright and possible it is for undocumented people to get legal, all the while undocumented workers like me pay billions to taxes through a government that detains and deports us.

That sounds pretty dastardly to me, and as I said, Mr. Vargas joins us from Berkeley, California. So you and I don't see this eye-to-eye, Mr. Vargas, but we do have some common ground. I believe that Congress should make it easier for foreign nationals to work in this country. They have to have a clean sheet. They have to have no crime. They have to be responsible people. They probably have to put up some kind of collateral to get in here. All that can be done.

But I do not agree with you that the immigration process is that difficult, and I'll cite the stats. Okay, so there are four million legal Filipino immigrants in this country right now, at least that stat is three years old, so you got probably about five or six million. Population in Philippines, 117 million, so we'd be pretty generous to the islands, all right? The last five years have been about a million new green cards. I think that should be tripled to three million. And there are 400, there are four million new U.S. citizens in five years. So you say that they don't understand. Well, four million do.

Any reply to those stats? Well, first of all, thank you for having me. Second of all, I do think we have more in common than you think. And I think a lot of it has to do with. what shared facts we have. Thank you for citing all those statistics. Actually, let me give you a little bit more statistics. So estimated 5 million Filipinos, about 1.4 million of that in California, where I grew up since 1993,

there are actually more Filipinos in California than there are people in New Hampshire, Delaware, and Rhode Island. That's how big the Filipino population in this country has gotten. And to your point, I'm grateful that the United States has been generous to the Philippines. And I think a lot of that also has to do it. The Philippines was a property of the United States. We were actually the first country that became a part of the American Empire in 1898 after the Spanish-American War. So we have a long history together, right?

So the Philippines was a colony of Spain for 350 years, and then the Americans came for almost 50 years. That's why apparently when you go to the Philippines where I haven't been since I was 12, the Philippines is the most Americanized of all the Asian countries. So I just wanted to point that out. Now, to address your question, and I've been thinking a lot about this since we just celebrated July 4th weekend. Apparently, during the founding father's era, when the 13 colonies declared independence from the British Empire, there were 2.5 million people in the colonies. Right now in this country, and I don't know if I believe these estimates.

I don't know, Bill, if you do, estimates say that we have 12 million undocumented people in this country. I think there's more than 12 million. I don't really believe that number. I want to look. I want to advance your belief system. Now, you're an accomplished man, okay? You won a Pulitzer Prize working for the Washington Post. You've contributed to this country.

The name of your book is Dear America, notes of an undocumented citizen. But you are dead. You have a visa. Nobody's going to kick your door in and grab you at this point. But it's been a struggle, and it's been a struggle that's unfair to you because you were a people smuggler brought you here when you were 12. Your family.

When I was 12. Yeah. This is not your fault. You had no... I had no... But, Bill, to your point, it took me 31 years. I have what's called an O visa, right? So I had to leave the country, this country...

To get the visa. But I want to go all the way through that. What I'm trying to say to you and to the audience is there are ways to do it. Not easy, but nothing worthwhile is easy. You did it. Millions of other... foreign nationals have come here legally. The people who come here illegally, okay?

They have no right to feel entitled to be here. Now, I'm not saying they should all be mass deported. I'm not. I want to get you taken a few things. Joe Biden opened the border, okay? Did you support that? When you say open the border meaning what? You mean?

Come on, you know what I mean, Jose. Don't give me any of this. You know exactly what I mean. He opened the border. At least 12 million people poured across it, many of whom asked for asylum, not in the legal way in the ports of entry. Did you support the Biden program or not? Yes or no? No.

No. I do not. What was your objection? My, okay, a couple objections. The 12 million people did not come through during Biden's era. They've been coming for decades. No, but at least 12 million. did. At least 12, every estimate, it's 12 to 15 under Biden, poured in here, most of whom asked for asylum, violating American law because they didn't go to the port of entry. That's the

stat from the federal government. You want to quibble? It gets us nowhere. Yeah. So, what objection did you have to the Biden thing? What was your objection to that Biden? My objection is, I think the fact that we don't have an. orderly system. Like what you just said a few minutes ago, there should be a process that people ought to follow to come to this country. Okay. And I agree. We're on common graph. But what if they don't follow it? Come on. What if they don't? Well, Bill, it's a problem. We have the right to kick them out. Well, wait a second. Yes, we do. And however, that's why we have 12 million people in this country legally because there's no process for people to follow.

But there is a process for people. There is. As somebody bill who lived through this, I had to wait 31 years for this window of an opportunity to follow. Okay. I know I know that. But do you know how many immigration attorneys there are in California? Oh, thousands.

Thousands, thousands, yes. And they're getting people to stay here by using. our system of due process. So don't tell me there's no way that you can become a legalized citizen because there is. So Bill, why are there 12 million undocumented

people in the country then if there's a process for them to follow the legalized? Because they don't want to follow it or they don't have the money to follow it. One or the two. That, by the way, is I think the biggest myth in journalism that we have to bring, that people don't want, are too lazy to follow

a process. Look at the Look at the dreamers. The dreamers in this country had to pay $500,000, about $800,000 of them or so, had to have to pay $500 so that this government doesn't deport them so that they can work legally. Okay. Look, there's always going to be that kind of a thing. Trump is actually, he's actually sympathetic to the dreamers. But Jose, for you to come on here and say there's no process for foreign nationals to come here legally is simply not true. they advertise on television. The immigration attorneys are at there.

Come to me. I'll get you here. I'll get you there. It's a booming industry. Bill, how many immigrants are there in the country today? Do you know how many? Illegal immigrants or?

No, no. Immigrants in general. Overall, how many? How many million? Number it's 50 million, something like that? About 49 million. Of that 49 million, of that 49, this is according to the peer research

center which is a non-partisan organization right within that 49 million 12 million are undocumented right those 12 again and you and i both know that just destroys your argument because you're saying there's no pathway and most of the people are are here legally no no no but wait please hear me out here the 12 million people live within 49 million people right there are people in that family like in my own family that could call lawyers and naturalize themselves and actually adjust and change their status. I was one of those 12 million people that couldn't just do that. I had to wait 31 years for this very specific thing so that I could legalize myself. Okay, Jose, I understand that and I'm sympathetic to it, and Congress should. It's Congress's fault. They could make, they could make

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This may be an opportunity. If there was ever an opportunity, look, we've been talking about illegal immigration since I moved to this country in 1993, right? If there was ever an opportunity to actually fix this problem and come up with a solution, this would be it. And I agree. You and I could probably come up with this problem, figure this out in two weeks. Okay, but these pinheads in D.C. all have agendas, one side or the other.

Yeah. I agree 100%. The book is, Dear America, Notes of an undocumented citizen, Jose Antonio Vargas, Jose, thanks to taking a fire. We appreciate you coming on tonight. You're listening to the No Spin News Weekend Edition. All right. So Congress is in and out this summer. They need vacation time.

No problem with that. But tomorrow they're coming back in the House, the Oversight Committee, hear testimony from Dr. Kevin O'Connor. And this is about the Biden mental and physical capacity. There's O'Connor and Biden. You'll remember that Dr. O'Connor said Biden was absolutely a perfect health, both mentally and physically. Well, now the Oversight Committee wants to put them under oath.

Private session, closed door. Deposition, no. It's under oath. and O'Connor does not want to do it. So he asked for a delay. We understand he is not going to get the delay, that he'll have to go in. He doesn't show up.

That's contempt. They'll be subpoenaed. But a lot of things happening on this oversight committee. So joining us now from Arlington, Virginia, is James Lynch. He's a reporter for the National Review. You're following this closer than I am. the Oversight Committee obviously wants to prove the Republicans want to prove that Biden was mentally deficient.

Am I right there? Yeah, the Oversight Committee is trying to get to the bottom of the cover-up related to Biden's mental decline, and they're looking into the possibility that Biden officials use the presidential auto-appendicide documents without his authorization. Do you believe there was a cover-up, and if so, what is the evidence?

you point to? Yeah, I think it's pretty apparent at this point that there was a cover-up. The investigation is more looking into the extent to which it was covered up. I think there's plenty of public evidence that there is a cover-up. People like you, people like myself, saw for years that Biden was struggling. He was slowing down. He was making mistakes all the time. He was forgetting things. We saw that in his public appearances and in his speeches. And then we had the Her report, Special Counsel Robert Hur, investigated Biden's handling of classified documents. And as part of that investigation, Her interviewed Biden for several hours over the course of two days. And what Her concluded was that Biden's memory was failing and that he was forgetting, you know, even basic and important things.

Why hasn't that report been made public? Why haven't we seen that report? The report is public. You can get it on the Justice Department's website. and the Trump administration also released audio from hers interview with Biden. I didn't know that. So all you got to do is go to the Justice Department website and the full her report is there to be read. Yeah, you can find the her report.

And also now you can listen to the audio. The Trump administration released it after the Biden administration did everything it could not do. So you can listen to the audio of Biden stuttering and forgetting things. Where is that? How do you get it?

Yeah, it should be, you can check axios on youtube they have the audio axios on youtube okay all right so at this point i think you're right that every republican on the oversight committee believes there was a cover up and every democrat wants to cover up to cover up would that be accurate they don't want this out yeah i think democrats just don't want to talk about this anymore

because it implicates their entire party we had every Democrat coming to Biden's defense after Robert Hur's report came out saying that, you know, look, he's the most fit he's ever been. He's fit to be president. We don't see wrong with him. These are just cheap fakes. So they just want to pretend like this never happened and move on. I think that's a good assessment. I think that's a good assessment. Now, let's go inside the oversight committee. What do they, they're spending taxpayer money, okay? Most Americans I agree with you and me that Biden was diminished. I think every poll shows that.

So why are we even going through this exercise? What is the point? Is it just further embarrassment for the Democrats and Biden? Yeah, I think the point is to find out who is actually making decisions during Biden's presidency, especially towards the end. We know that there's a book called Original Sin that came out, and we know that people inside the White House

thought that Biden was at best to, senior member of the board of people who are running the country. There's a Politburo of senior officials who had unprecedented amounts of power for people who were not elected, who are not president. And so the investigation is really about just how much they covered up Biden's mental incapacity, how they worked with the media to cover it up, and then what decisions were made that Biden might not have known about. Now, the only guy that I see in legal jeopardy is the doctor, O'Connor. Because if he lied to the American people about the state of Joe Biden's health, that's a crime. That's fraud. Yeah, I think O'Connor's perhaps the most important witness for

the whole investigation, and he's supposed to be interviewed tomorrow that is still expected to happen. But what O'Connor knows more than anybody else is just how Biden's health was behind the scenes. He released a physical in 2024 saying that, you know, Biden's completely healthy and totally up for the job. And then we find out a couple months ago that Biden has an aggressive form of prostate cancer. And so O'Connor really better than anybody else would know what Biden's health was looking like and what the White House was doing to give people the impression that Biden was actually okay and that he was fit to serve. But O'Connor's got jeopardy here. He himself is in trouble if he falsified his medical reports about the president of the

United States. So I expect a lot of evasion. maybe a Fifth Amendment. You know, O'Connor's going to have lawyers sit with him, but he's not going to throw anybody under the bus. He's just going to try to evade to what I expect to happen. Yeah, and he's already been trying to evade. I think, Bill, you alluded to the fact that he was trying to get the interview delayed. Right.

His lawyer has been making claims about a patient privilege and being able to, you know, not discuss certain things because of that. And, you know, the O'Brien has rejected what O'Connor has been trying to do. Well, I mean, tomorrow we'll cover it. full-born. Final question. The auto pen. So I don't know. I don't know what Biden, if he was sitting at a desk, I don't know why he couldn't sign the documents himself. I don't know. But if he didn't sign the doc, obviously he didn't because he used the auto pen. But if he didn't know what the document said and somebody else signed him with an autopen, that opens up another

criminal investigation, does it not? Yeah, that's a whole other can of worms if they have evidence that Biden didn't know what was going on and wasn't playing any role in signing those documents, especially towards the end of his presidency when he was even more diminished. Yeah. Yeah. It's a mess. All right, James. If you get anything, let us know, please. We appreciate your time very much. And as we said, we will follow up on this for the rest of the week. This is the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. All right, Eli Maas, still mad at Trump. He's taking the Epstein files.

He says, quote, how can people be expected to have faith in Trump if you won't release the Epstein files? He'll on July 8th on X. And as you know, Mr. Musk wants to start a third party, the American Party. Joining us now is one of the most astute political observers in the country. And Doug Schoen gave me money to say that on Saturday night when I was on the person. He joins us now from Southampton.

Home of very wealthy, swell people, Southampton. He's a Democratic political strategist. So your take on the proposed American party? You know, I have studied, Bill, third parties in America. There is broad support in the electorate for third parties. The problem is the only thing the two major parties, Democrats and Republicans agree on, is that we shouldn't have third parties. Hey, I'm Caitlin Becker, the host of the New York Postcast, and I've got exactly what you need to start your weekdays. Every morning, I'll bring you the stories that matter, plus the news people actually talk about, the juicy details in the worlds of politics, business, pop culture, and everything in between.

It's what you want from the New York Post wrapped up in one snappy show. Ask your smart speaker to play the NY Postcast podcast. Listen and subscribe on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to make it as difficult as possible for them to get on the ballot, get support, and raise money. So I don't necessarily think Elon Musk's third party in the absence of an infrastructure that doesn't exist is going to do anything more than rally. some aspects of the far right, maybe a few people on the far left, but mostly far right to the detriment of Donald Trump and the Republican. The way I see it, there's no hope for this party.

There's no constituency for it. Correct. We took a poll. It's still up on bill o'Reilly.com. Who do you side with in a few between Trump and Musk? 93% of my viewers sign with Trump. No surprise.

Seven with Musk. So Trump, you know, he has captured the imagination of millions of Republicans and MAGA people. Where Musk, I think he's admired in a certain, you know,

circle, brilliant man, no doubt. But I don't know who would even register to be in the American Party. I don't know one human being. And I know thousands of people. who would register for the american party you know what anybody would do that that's why i said only a few people on the far right i don't even know they would do it i because this disillusion with the system bill it's no the musk party is is two things cut government spending big time

liberal is never going to do that ever ever ever in a million you know so you get nobody from the left zero and be an isolationist okay they don't want to be involved with with bad things overseas and you're right the only people who might even consider those two things although i think most conservatives would want cuts to the federal budget i believe that's true but they don't want to disrupt are the republican party which is trouncing at this point the Democratic Party, right? All true, Bill. I believe that there isn't a constituency.

I'm not convinced Musk is prepared to not only spend the money, which he has, obviously, but to build the grassroots, which is enormously difficult. Think Russ. It costs some billions and billions of dollars to do this. And when he goes out to the grassroots, it's not going to be any grass. That's exactly. It would be like, okay, where's the, where's the, where's, It's not like the American people when they heard this, Doug, going, oh, yeah, yeah, let's get

this going. I, as I said, I don't know one person. So what it comes down to is it looks like a vanity play to me to annoy Donald Trump by Elon Musk. Last word. Yeah, last word is, I believe the only person who will be impacted this. is Donald Trump by making it harder

for Republicans, even in a good environment to get elected. I think it frankly is going to hurt Musk because the party won't, as you suggest, get support. And beyond that, I think it'll hurt his business enterprises. So my advice that Elon Musk would be to put

the American Party back where he came from, which is his head, and concentrate on that which he's good at, which is his business. All right, Doug. Thanks very much. Appreciate it. Have a good summer on Long Island. You're listening to the NOSPA News Weekend Edition. All right, let's shift to the culture.

We don't do a lot of culture reporting anymore. I wrote a whole book on it, Culture Warrior. And what's interesting about that book is I guess it's about 15 years old, when I'm even older. Everything I wrote in the book came true. I just called me Nostradamus about the change in the culture and what would happen and why it would happen. Anyway, the other day I was on News Nation with my pal, Stephen A. Smith and Cuomo, the three Americans.

And we were talking about the entertainment industry and how it is having an effect on younger Americans. And you may remember that in a poll just before the 4th July, Generation Z, born after 1996, only 41% are proud to be an American. And then in Millennials, 58%, which is a low number. And so I said to myself, why? And part of the reason is the culture of disrespect that's being peddled by the entertainment industry. And then Stephen and I got into it. I, growing up as a younger person, was a big fan of R&B and Motown, big fan. I know a lot of those guys, the OJs and the spinners and things like that.

And I loved them. And I thought they were a very positive force in America. I'll give you an example of the four tops. Go. All right, so the four times are you man enough from Shaft 2, great song, encouraging people to help other people. Well, today we have a different thing, hip hop, I guess they call it, and there are two, there are a lot of people who are very famous making a lot of money, and two of them are Glorilla and Megan the Stallion. Roll the tape. Freakin' I don't even wear no cullen.

I don't know how to treat a late. The fuck I ought to smack your mrs. Wet, good, that's me. So I talk how I won't save a who I look like super woman. That's, I did not buy that album, by the way, but a lot of people did. And joining us from LA, my pal, Steven A. Smith,

sitting right in front of a house he just bought. I'm giving you some jazz. Okay, look, I'm a simple man, as you know. And I believe that this hip-hop stuff teaches disrespect and encourages it. Bad language, don't even wear no condoms, you know, all of that stuff. And kids as young as what, 10, 11, 12, listen to this. Instead of me, listen to the four tops and the temptations and Smokey Robinson. and all these people, they're listening to this.

And I think that the level of disrespect among younger people has risen because of this kind of stuff. Am I wrong? I'm in no position to say definitively, Bill, that you're wrong. Where I was pushing back on you is when you talked about hip-hop as if hip-hop are the originators of all of this.

When we talk about disrespect, when we talk about some of the lyrics that are spewed. And I'm like, if you listen to rock music, have you listened to heavy metal music? Have you listened to some of the stuff? Spanning decades? Have you seen people worshiping the devil, engaging in Satanism,

preaching about violence and whatever? I mean, we've seen all of this in the past, and that had nothing to do with hip-hop. So when you came out on Cuomo show and you talked about hip-hop, it's one thing to say that you don't like it. But it was almost as if you isolated your opinion, into that as opposed to really embracing what really has been happening with the music industry,

with Hollywood, and some of the things that they've been perpetuating and disseminating for decades, long even before hip hop came along. That was my issue. But I don't do the justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior, and you're absolutely right. I mean, a lot of this rock stuff is garbage. But this hip-hop industry is directed at not just African-American children, but children, many of whom are marginalized. They don't have people in the house, father in the house.

Look, I wouldn't let my kids listen to Megan the Stallion and Florella or whatever's name. That could not come into my house. Am I wrong? No, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. You're wrong if you're saying them. I would say to you there's certain songs I'm not going to allow. you to listen to. Like, for example, the artist that I grew up listening to, whether it was run

DMC, it was KRS 1, it was Eric Bean, Rock Kim, public enemy, et cetera, et cetera. It's in this day and age, whether it's Eminem, it's Jay Z, it's Nas who's been around forever, along with a plethora of others. There's some songs I wouldn't allow my kids to listen to. There are other songs, I don't mind. It all depends on a particular song and a particular lyrics that are being spewed as opposed to me denigrating an artist because of a particular song. That's what I'm saying to you. Okay, but remember, the unbelievable amount of African American American children who are living without a father, it is a problem that this country has never seen at this level.

You give those kids role models who are using the F word every two seconds. We've got tattoos all over them. who can't speak proper English, and you're saying that this is what is going to be imitated. Look, Willie Mays was my idol growing up, all right? Couldn't have been a better idol for me than Willie Mays. This couldn't have been, all right? And he drove me to play baseball for 15 consecutive years.

And then I went over to the Turn on W.A.B.C. AM radio to listen to all of these black artists. whose music was uplifting. That helped me. It didn't hurt me. Now, the role models, many of them, are hurting these kids. You've got to admit that. I'm not denying. I have no problem admitting that.

I have no problem acknowledging that parents, and it extends beyond the black community, white, Hispanic. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, everybody's complaining about it. You're absolutely right. I'm not here to say that you're wrong. I just want you to contextualize things properly. So we're talking about the subject right now, Bill,

and you can look at it that way, and you have every right to. I'm not going to knock you for that. But allow me to retort. Let's go into your wheelhouse for a second. Right now, we're looking at an unemployment rate in the United States of America that's hovering around 4 to 4.1%. In the black community, it's at 16%. Amongst young black males, particularly between the ages of 16 and 19.

For example, I think I read the number at being at about 19.8%. I've often been on the air saying this. When white folks catch a cold, black folks catch pneumonia. It's always worse for us. There's always an uphill battle to climb. So to get to your point, it makes it even harder when other obstacles get in the way that we know would potentially derail, particularly somebody

from an African-American community on a come-up looking for opportunities. But what happens? The music industry comes along, and they're talking to you about making money. And here's how we want you to make the money. And so you have young minds that are being influenced, but most importantly are trying to get a leg up

or trying to earn their stripes or trying to find a way to pay their bills and to take care of themselves and their family, et cetera, et cetera, that are presented with these opportunities. So when you talk about a hip-hop industry, you might talk about the artist, and I might say somebody like Bill O'Reilly is informed enough to know it extends far beyond that particular artist

because those artists answer to somebody. Somebody makes those albums, they promote those albums, they market those albums, they disseminate. Yeah, but the artist is creating the scenario that if you are a certain person, you can use that language. The reason that the minority unemployment is higher is because of the presentation. If you're an African American in this country and you present yourself in a way the employer believes that is going to help the business, you'll get the job. Not always. No system is perfect.

But believe me, you have a just so good a chance to get that job. And you don't want to work for a racist anyway. Okay. Right. So, but if you go in and you can't speak English and you're going the F word every two minutes and you've got a tattoo of a panther on your neck, there's a good chance you're not going to get the job. That is totally true, but that is not a vast majority of African Americans out in this world.

And you have to take that into consideration as well. Now, you might look at some members of the hip hop community, and you might see them acting a certain way, which is unfortunate, and we don't hesitate to call them out for that. But we also see a lot of these hip-hop artists doing fantastic things within the community, within the world. Okay, but that doesn't justify law. Jay-Z sold crack, all right, kill people. All right, I have no respect for him.

none zero well he's he's and he's a friend of mine okay i'm sorry i'm sorry but i'm a truthful man he sold crack so am i so am i so am i you so if he would come out and then he would say i was absolutely wrong don't use crack all right that was horrible and i'm saying to you is you can do two things at once you can admit exactly what bill o'reilly said and then turn around and say excuse me, this is what I had to do to survive because the opportunity I don't believe that for a second. Well, tell me, tell me someone, you don't believe that. No, because there are most African Americans don't sell crack.

I understand that, but you're using a specific incident. I'm going to a macro perspective. There are an abundance of situations involving males in the African American community where trying times present themselves and challenges present themselves. I was fortunate and blessed enough to have a. mother and a father in the home, Bill, even though my father was to do it. And that's why I feel terrible about the unsupervised children, not just African Americans, but all of them who get involved with this hip-hop, which is going to hurt them.

Last question. Wouldn't it be better? Not simple of that, but okay. Wouldn't it be better for the world if Motown came back and all of the good songs that we still listened to 50, 60 years later? okay dominated the music industry and not this other garbage wouldn't that be better i think a lot of it exists now you've got a lot of beautiful artists out here have you ever listened to joe have you ever listened to a con have you ever listened to an abundance of other guys out there with some great music some great albums out there whatever everybody can't be prince michael jackson the temptations the four tops you forgot to mention the osley

brothers let's not forget about that teddy pentegras luther vantros You had a whole bunch of artists that were absolutely fabulous. I got to stop you there. On Cuomo tonight, if we have time, you asked me about going to the Isley Brothers concert, okay? I was the only white guy in there. The only white guy. I remember you told me.

Okay. I know you told me there. And the crowd. But see, here's your problem. This is your problem. You think you're loved because you, you know, Bill O'Roddy is right and he tells the truth. That's not why you're respected and why you can walk anywhere,

even when people disagree with you. Do you know what the real reason is, Bill? Tell me. Even if we think you're wrong, we know you mean what you say. You believe it. You feel it. We can go on and on about this particular conversation. I could have corrected you on a few things.

But I know that your foundation, the foundation of your belief has some merit, and you're bold enough and brave enough to say it. And to say it respectfully rather than hide it behind some curtains. So that's where it comes from. But it ain't because we think you're right all the time. No, no. And I don't want you to think I'm right.

I just try to make an overwhelming case. And that's what the three Americans is all about. That's why it's sweeping the country. You've got three separate guys who all have belief systems who throw it on out there. And then people can say, all right, that's been, that's it. Hey, see, Benin will see you. You could be nicer. You could be nice at the Chris Ford.

You'd be, that's the only thing we're missing. You could be nice. You know, he doesn't deserve it. Okay, I mean, I tell you. You just doesn't deserve it. All right, I'll see you soon. Thanks for helping us, I appreciate it. Thank you for listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition.

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