Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - July 15, 2023

Episode Date: July 15, 2023

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Welcome to the No Spin News Weekend Edition. We're supposed to have Senator Ted Cruz on tonight. I'm going to deal with that in a final thought. We do expect them next week, but we were lucky, and I use that word literally, enough to get Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin to comment on my column that I wrote yesterday and the investigations by the House. First, I have to ask you, you are the ranking member of the Senate. permanent subcommittee on investigations, which I think is the most important Senate

committee in existence, because you have oversight on corruption, okay? And you're the second ranking member. If the Senate goes to the Republicans in 24, you'll be the chairman. The chairman now is Richard Blumenthal, the liberal Democrat from Kentucky. He doesn't want any part of this Biden stuff, correct? No, he doesn't. And when we, last time we were in the majority. I was chairman of the full committee, the committee in Homeland Security Government Affairs. I was working with Senator Grassley, then chairman of the Judiciary Committee, and we were investigating Hunter Biden. We did not have, I did not have the support of my Republican colleagues on my committee, or we didn't have the support

of our conference to, for example, subpoenaed the Bidens, thought it was too political in 2020. Why didn't the Republicans on your committee support you in issuing the subpoenas? They thought it was too political during a political campaign. So they thought the American people would see it as a political thing and go against the Republican Party? That's it? Right. We issued our report in September of 2020. It was widely ignored by the media.

But all through 2020, both Senator Grass and I were accused by the media by our Democrat colleagues of soliciting and disseminating Russian disinformation. even though our report was completely based on U.S. records, Treasury records, suspicious activity reports. In September 2020, we laid out the vast web of foreign financial entangments, the millions of dollars of transactions with CEFC, Burisma, Russia. We pretty well laid this out. The House is building on the record we provided, but the FBI was completely unhelpful.

They sabotaged our efforts as well. Unbelievable. So have you ever talked to Blumenthal about, I know there's a collegiality in the Senate, and it should be. I mean, you guys need to talk to each other, and, you know, you don't want to be yelling at each other. It's not the Civil War or the war up to the Civil War. But have you ever talked to Blumenthal and say, look, you know, just for the American people's sake, let's try to clarify all of these unanswered questions about the Biden family finances.

Have you said that to him? Senator Blumenthal wrote an article that the Washington Post ran in 2020, again, accusing us of soliciting Russian disinformation and said that I was... He hasn't changed his mind. He literally said the CIA thought I was so dangerous. They wouldn't even brief me. They wouldn't brief us because we'd already been briefed, for example, on Andre Taloshenko. So, no, Bill, throughout 2020, the media, our Democrat colleagues were interfering in our... Then the FBI were interfering in our investigation.

And nothing's changed. Disclosing what was happening to the Bidens. Nothing's changed, even though we have whistleblowers. We have nothing's changed at all, nothing. They still, they don't, not interested, right? Right. Okay. Now, did you know about Fatham McGraths, the wife of the U.S. attorney that we uncovered

has visited the Biden White House 28 times, and her husband Matthew Graves refused to cooperate with the U.S. attorney and. Delaware on the Hunter Biden situation. Did you know about Fatta McGraths? That was your scoop and that's why we need an investigative reporters like yourself to help us. We need the whistleblowers. And we are fortunately getting more and more whistleblowers. We have people like you that are digging up this information, building on the evidence the Senator Grassland put out there, but Bill, there's literally three scandals here.

You have the Biden family corruption, you have the corruption of the FBI Department of Justice, and then you have of course have the corruption of the complicit and corrupt mainstream media who won't cover this story you know it is very troubling to people and i i'm going to take ideology out of this i mean we want an honest country it's beyond any reasonable doubt the fbi has been corrupted beyond any reasonable doubt they have been corrupted and now you have the media there's nothing anybody can do about the media because the first amendment protects the media the corporations have taken it over and independent journalists like me have to do the heavy lifting now

because the corporations order their people not to. And there's nothing anybody can do about that, but you can do stuff about the Attorney General of the United States, Merrick Garland. So this brings me to impeachment. You have access to the Republican-controlled House. Is that bubbling up impeachment against Merrick Garland? I think it's a real possibility.

We're going to have to sort out who's telling the truth between David Weiss and Mayor Garland when Mayor Garland said that he had complete authority. And then David Weiss, of course, wrote two letters to Jim Jordan that are also contradictory, that in one case said that he had full authority and then he hedges his bets on June 30th. The problem, bill, is that the process has been set up for procedures within FBI and Department of Justice to basically insulate themselves from scrutiny. You said it earlier in your opening there. They always use the excuse, well, there's an active investigation so we can't share this information with Congress. We were frustrated because we had the John Durham investigation, and so we couldn't get the documents that we had subpoenaed Christopher Ray to turn over, even though the President of the United States, Donald Trump, wanted those documents turned over. So, again, the Department of Justice, the FBI, have insulated themselves from effective scrutiny.

and how do you investigate the premier investigatory agency of uh congress has to do it it's the only body that can do it but accountable the chief law enforcement let me let me offer this let me offer this because i know you talk to uh comer and jordan and all of those people you've got a situation where merrick garland under oath tells the house look i gave wise full authority in this investigation He's under oath saying that, right? Two U.S. attorneys were requested in writing. Matthew Graves, who's we referred to with his wife Fatima going to the White House 28 times, and Martin Estrada in California because there are allegations that Hunter Biden receive foreign money in both of those places.

Weiss asked both of those U.S. attorneys to cooperate partner with him. they refused Merrick Garland could order them to cooperate Merrick Garland is their boss that's where you go that's how you get Garland

Now we also have the IRS whistleblower You know Okay, wait wait wait well let's get to that in a moment Okay Because Garland's hanging out there now You see what I mean? This is what frustrates me He's hanging out there Saying oh no

Well, Weiss had full authority when he himself could have ordered those two men to cooperate with Weiss and did not. Now, cover up. The reason I mentioned Shepley is he has, he was in the meetings where basically Weiss said, I don't have the authority. So we've got, I think, enough evidence that the House should hold hearings, impeachment hearings, not only on Garland. They ought to hold impeachment hearings on Mayorkas and also on Anthony Blinken. who lied to my investigators when he said he never emailed Hunter Biden. You know, Bill, there is so much here to, you know, really hang these guys on. But unfortunately, I lost my chairmanship.

We don't have the spina authority. And as you said, you know, Blumenthal, Wyden, these folks have no interest. None. None. They have no interest in investigating this. So we have to rely on the house. And by the way, we're working with Comer and Jordan to provide what information we know to help them prepare for their. interviews. Now, the key question to all of this is I wrote in my column, and again, I hope people

go and take the time to read the column on bill o'Reilly.com. The real important thing is whether or not, and I want to emphasize the two words or not, Vice President Biden, then Vice President Biden, derived money from his son and brothers' activities. Did he get money? I don't see a smoking gun yet. Do you have one? Well, I see smoke. Okay, for example, you know, we have emails from Hunter where he's emailing his daughter saying that,

unlike Pop, I won't make you give me half your salary. Yeah, but that could be hyperbole. You know him. I understand, again, it's smoke. The other thing is that, you know, this John Solomon reported this. You know, the vice president reported making $16 million once he left office, But then his financial disclosure, he only disclosed his assets of 3.2 million.

Where did the money go? And he also doesn't tell us exactly where that $16 million came from. I mean, could that be some of the money that was disclosed in those 1023? Well, I got to get a subpoena for that. So again, we have plenty of smoke out there. Right. We have a smoking gun, not yet. But there's not been a thorough investigation.

Would you do me a favor? And so I know you're busy. But sometime today, if you can get comer. and Jordan's attention, would you please tell them to subpoena Thadama Graves, the wife of Matthew Graves, the U.S. attorney in Washington, and ask her under oath what the do she's doing in the White House 28 times? I mean, what is? Absolutely. Listen, if I were doing the investigations, I would have subpoenaed a lot more people than have been subpoenaed so far. But again, they want to get the documents before the interviews. You know, these investigations,

it's a process. It takes time. It's not really easy. I know. But when you have that coincidence that the word conduit, you see, they're never going to put this stuff in writing. But if this woman is carrying information from the Justice Department, remember her husband works with Merrick Garland in the same building in D.C. She's carrying information from them over to Biden and then Biden administration back to the Justice Department. I mean, come. on. Bill, it's the exact same thing Anthony Blinken used his wife for. She was the one emailing Hunter Biden, but Anthony Blinken slipped up and emailed Hunter himself when it came to Blue Star Strategies and some of the Burisma thing. So again, it's a tried and true method that they use

their spouses to be the conduits. So no, I will definitely bring your column up to the attention of Comer and Jordan. Yeah, we sent it to him, but I know everybody's busy, but you got to now is it time to focus on this thing. I mean, really micro this thing. As you know, I think you know, the Democratic Party is really worried about this. They're really worried that Biden's going to get taken down by this. Well, they should be worried, but again, they can always rely on the mainstream media, the complicit. Yeah, yeah, but you can get a, as I said, if you impeach Merrick Garland, they have to cover that story. And then all of the evidence against Merrick Barlin's put forth into the public arena. That's how you do it. Right. Impeachment hearings are

very important. You want to have the lay the predicate have as much documentation before those hearings. And that's what they're trying to attain. All right. You know, Senator, it's very nice of you to come on. We know how busy you are. You're welcome any time. I'm going to stay honest because, look, it's my job. And I know the other media doesn't do their job anymore. I understand the corruption in the media. It's unprecedented in this country right now. But we're going to stay on it. And it's very nice of you to give my audience. And remember, our audience is worldwide now, Senator.

We got 300 radio stations. We got direct TV. We got the first. We got distribution on Facebook. I mean, we're a colossus now. And I don't think people in Congress understand that. So we want to funnel information through somebody doesn't answer to Comcast or Warner Brothers discovery or CB. I don't answer to anybody. And that's what we want to do. And it's

very, very, and you're a patriot for coming on explaining your point of view to the American people. We really appreciate it. I understand. I appreciate your efforts. We need more investatory journalists. We need more whistleblowers. We need people to come forward with the truth. Yep. You need a John Dean inside the Biden White House. That's what you need. But I don't know if that will ever happen. All right, Senator, we'll talk again soon. I hope thank you very much. Power, politics and the people behind the headlines. I'm Miranda Devine, New York Post columnist and the host of the brand new podcast, Podforce One.

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and I love that. You know how I like that. Her name is Kelly Vejos, I hope I got that. She works for the Quincy Institute, which is a think tank, and studies situations all over the world in a U.S. context, joining us now from Washington. So where did I go wrong? Did I go wrong anywhere? Well, I mean, I think you might be a little optimistic on Putin's demise. I think there are plenty of people who would hope that he would disappear. I guess the question is, how would it happen?

I don't think the American people are interested in another regime change war in which our entire U.S. foreign policy is geared towards ousting another foreign leader and then having to deal with a vacuum, a power vacuum after. Many experts on Russia say, you know, if Putin was gone to, tomorrow, there'd probably be a more nationalistic or hardline person waiting in the wings, because that's where the power center is right now. Okay. Let me dissent from that analysis. The military would take over Russia, as you know, probably. It's the only other body that could run the country. The oligarchs aren't making any money now.

They'll back the military and business as usual. Everybody gets rich. Putin can't stay there. He's been embarrassed by the, Wagner group, even though there's some detente in the air. Nobody believes that. The Russian people don't like Putin. That nationalism is gone on the backs of the 50,000 dead and more than 100,000 maimed. He can't recruit. People are leaving Russia in droves. He's done. It's just a matter how. It's not going to survive this. And if he does, I'll have you back on and I'll say you were right and I was wrong. But I can't, I'm a historian. There's no leader on the the skids like Putin, who has ever survived it. And a vacuum, Soviet military takes over,

Soviet military is in business to make money, and the oligarchs will come in, and it'll be back to business. And that's what I see. Go ahead. Well, I mean, I think there's plenty of polling in Russia that say it's not as clear cut as you say that nobody in Russia works. Wait, wait, wait, you know if a polling outfit calls you when you go against Putin, you're going to get a knock on the door, come on. Right, but I've seen polling by polling companies that are actually trusted by the Kremlin come out with much more temperate results

in terms of what the Russian people are thinking. And they do, you know, in many ways, do support the war effort in Ukraine. I don't believe that for a second. I don't believe that propaganda for a second. Okay, for example. Wait, wait, wait. For example.

It's like every totalitarian regime on earth. They always put that stuff out. You think the Russian people are happy with this Ukraine thing? You think they're happy with it? I don't know what else we have to go by, Bill, when you have poll after poll after poll that show that the Russian people support the war effort. All done by the three. I'm sure there are gradations in there that you can probably just dismiss.

But on point, the Russian people have support. supported this. I just want to give you one example. Navalny, who is the much-heralded democracy leader in Russia, who is in jail for his political activism, has been a supporter of Russia remaining in Crimea, because the Russian people believe Crimea is Russian. And they support the Russian people in crime. But no, but so to say that they don't see that they don't. support the war effort, that's, that's erroneous. It's very complicated. There is a, there are Russians speaking people in Ukraine. There are Russian parts of Ukraine that are supported by the people

in Russia and they support Russia being able to maintain. Okay, then why then, if you, what you say that they don't support the war, they don't support, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, why then? If what you're saying is true, and I don't believe it is, not because you are being deceitful, I think you're you're buying into propaganda. When the Wagner Group rebelled a few weeks ago against Moscow, no military Russian military unit stepped up to fight them. They seized a fairly large Russian city without any resistance. In fact, six Russian generals crossed over to help the Wagner Group. All six have been arrested and they're probably dead now because the Wagner group back down for whatever reason. I don't know. My analysis is based on U.S. and British

intelligence, what they are putting out, because I have access to some of that, and they are directly contradicting any kind of poll that would be taken in a country where the people are frightened to death of saying anything negative about their government. So let's advance it a little bit longer. If you were advising president, Biden. What would you tell him to do right now as far as Ukraine and Putin? Well, I would tell him to start opening up communications with their Russian counterparts, whether it be the Secretary of State's counterpart, the CIA's counterpart, the Secretary of Defense counterpart, and get some talking going. Because I agree with you, Bill. This is a stalemate.

But surely you know, surely you know that the United States ambassador to the Vatican was involved with Pope Francis's trip to try to convince Putin to go to the peace table. So there are avenues where the United States and Great Britain and the NATO countries have said to Putin, hey, we're willing to talk about peace. That's what they say. That's what they say, Bill. Why would the Pope go? They say when they're pressed, but I don't see any evidence of it. I don't see any evidence that they are focused on a diplomatic pathway. I see a lot of evidence. Why would Pope Francis God?

Pouring more money into the war and the more fighting, which is only destroying Ukraine. Because as you know, the best they can get out of this is a stalemate, the best. You think it's better for Putin to run Ukraine, take it over, as he has Belarus and Georgia. You think that's better? No, no. I think it would be better to change course here because the current course isn't working. It's not working for Putin, but it's working for Ukraine because they fought them in stalemate. Is it?

They don't have as many soldiers. They don't have as many weapons. They don't have production lines. We just had to give them cluster munitions because we're running out of regular artillery shells to give Ukraine. We've leaned on all of our allies to give every piece of ammo that we possibly can. So you think it's better for the Ukrainian. We don't have the production lines going. enough to fund and you think it's better for the Ukrainian people to be subjugated by Moscow

rather than a fight for their freedom no I didn't say that I said we need to get talks going to end the war that doesn't mean subjugation you're ignoring the Pope Francis entree totally ignoring that the man went with the blessing of Biden and the US ambassador and Putin tell him to get The Pope did. The Pope did. I didn't know that the Pope was, like, coordinating with Washington. The Pope made a mission. Of course, they coordinated with Washington. What do you think the U.S. Ambassador in the Vatican does? I don't believe that, but I guess it sounds good on paper. I don't believe that because if they really did, they would continue pushing the Vatican to keep that shuttle diplomacy going. There's no. Shuttle about it. Putin said no. They don't even acknowledge that the Pope has gone over there.

They can't do that. It's been reported widely, but they can't say, look, the Pope's going over there. I mean, there's a big, because of security. Because of security, come on. They haven't acknowledged that the Pope is actually trying for peace. They don't really care to even. Why do you think he went over there to give his blessing to Putin to baptize some kid? Of course, he went over there. to try to get broke or some kind of peace. Anyway, look, I put my case forth, and you did a very good job.

I must say, I love these debates. And we'll let the viewers, of course, process it. And thank you for coming. I hope you, I'll hope you come back. Thank you very much. Anytime, thank you. Okay. Hey, I'm Caitlin Becker, the host of the New York Postcast,

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the NY Postcast podcast. Listen and subscribe on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the No Spin News Weekend Edition. Joining us from Miami, Nicole Parker, FBI agent for 12 years. and she follows the agency, obviously, as an alumni, very, very closely.

In my talking points memo, did I make any mistakes, or was I unfair, Ms. Parker? First of all, thank you for having me. I, you know, this is kind of what we anticipated that it was going to be. When Chris Ray comes in to testify, you can expect that he's probably going to deflect on many or most of the end. answers. You know, a lot of times the answer is, you know, it's an ongoing federal investigation. We cannot discuss that. That's an ongoing personnel matter, whatever it might be. You know, I think that Americans want to know the truth. They feel like they are seeing this politicization happening and what's happening to fix it. There is no fix to this. And so I think that's what

Americans were anticipating today. They wanted to hear Chris Wright testify under oath and understand the status of all of these concerns, one politicization issue after another. at the FBI. And we didn't get that, correct? You know, a lot of us are left with the unanswered questions. Like I said, there's an easy way to deflect answers, you know, say it's ongoing investigation, that's an ongoing personnel matter, that's protected, things of that sort. Right, very easy to do it. Now, you're a professional law enforcement agent and you know how to interview witnesses and people who are charged with crimes. I didn't see any perceptive questions in that hearing today. Obviously, Democrats, they didn't want a part of it,

but the Republicans wanted to make speeches rather than interrogate. Is that how you saw it? You know, it's a chance for people to say what they want to stay in front of Christopher Ray and get his reaction. But yes, I do agree that many times it's not as much of an interview and a testimony as it is stating what they want to get out and for the American public. to hear. Making a speech. You were in the FBI for five years under Ray. You were in Miami most of the time, correct? I was in the Miami division my entire time at the FBI. Okay. Did you see, and remember you worked for Comey, who has been proven to be very political. Did you see a change in the Bureau under Ray when he came in? So I was an FBI agent under Robert Mueller and then

James Comey and then Christopher Ray. When Christopher Ray came in, we all knew that he was coming in because Jim Comey had been fired after the Operation Crossfire Hurricane. And it was a different leadership style and that Christopher Ray was not as much in the public eye. He was not out there speaking to the media as frequently as we were seeing Jim Comey. We were trying to regain our trust with the American people after what it occurred with Operation Crossfire Hurricane. And And unfortunately, that politicization seemed to have continued even under Christopher, Ray. Did agents in Miami discuss that? Were they all in agreement with what you just said, that the Bureau is becoming more politicized under Ray?

So I wouldn't say all agents feel the same. I think that as an FBI agent, you have relationships with those in your own field office in the Miami division, but also field offices across the nation. You know, whether you're involved in something that appears to be political, I was working violent crime, crimes against children, human trafficking, you know, active shooters, things of that sort. And the politicization was seeping in regardless of what type of violation you were working. I tried to just focus on my violent crime cases, but because of the constant barrage of politicization, it was difficult to ignore what was happening. And so I would say agents all over the country, we all saw it happening.

I just want to talk about you. Can you give me an example of what you? you saw in your investigations as far as politics are concerned? So my particular investigations, I did not see politics involved because I was working violent crime most of my career, white collar crime, violent crime, human trafficking, crimes against children, active shooters, mass shooters, things of that sort. But what I did see was that constantly there was a barrage of information and we were hearing about the investigations many times occurring out of WFO or Washington.

headquarters, such as, you know, Operation Crossfire Hurricane. I had nothing to do with that, but we all heard about that. And we were all, you know, when Chris Ray came in and there were all of these changes that were made to the process, again, I was not involved in those types of investigations or cases, but we were all held accountable for the mistakes of those that were involved. So, for instance, after Operation Crossfire Hurricane, we all had to do something called Virtual Academy. We had to go in and study and take these exams talking about, you know, what went wrong.

that investigation. I have to tell you that doing a virtual academy training does not fix the problem. Character and honesty of those working at the FBI cannot be ingrained in someone because they are asked to take a training on virtual academy after something of this sort. There's no question about that. But the Justice Department, President Biden, and to some extent Christopher Ray, but lesser, have defined the major problem in the United States as right-wing militia groups. That's, they say, flat out, that's the biggest threat. Not the human traffickers, not the drug cartels, not al-Qaeda. It's right-wing extremists, the biggest domestic threat. Surely you knew that. You heard that. Is the FBI?

concur that that's the biggest threat agents on the field and ground level would not agree with that i myself did not agree with that that is not what i saw is the biggest threat facing that that's a but blatant example of politics i'll give you another one abortion clinics so there have been hundreds of attacks on catholic churches in the last few years hundreds but the FBI has solved very few of them. I don't even know if there's any investigations into any of them. But abortion clinics, they're hauling people in right and left, pro-life people who may overstep, go too close to the clinic,

or yell at somebody going in for information or whatever. FBI is all over it. That's what the Richmond office did with the Catholic Church. was targeted at people who were pro-life. Did the FBI agents, you and others, know that was happening? We saw it happening. Like I said, there was a pattern of this type of behavior occurring over and over and over. Again, for me, I personally started seeing it during Operation Crossfire Hurricane.

I also saw it during the Hillary Clinton email investigation. You answered the question. You saw it, you saw it, you saw it. Yep. The FBI Bureau Chief and all of them, all around. a country in Miami, Denver, Seattle, wherever it may be, they have to answer to Washington, D.C. They can't go against the prevailing political sentiment coming out of there, correct? So that is one of the issues that I believe is occurring at the FBI.

There is too much power at the headquarters level and up in the D.C. area, whether it's WFO or whether it's, you know, the Baltimore field office or headquarters, the cases need to be decentralized and need to be worked out of the individual field offices. So I am correct in saying that Washington, like a giant octopus, is basically controlling all of the bureaus and the bureau chiefs, the FBI chiefs in charge, aren't going to go against Washington. That's something that we saw, you know. We just saw that there was a lot of.

guidance coming down from headquarters and you're basically, that's what you do. Each individual field office is separate, right? But this is an example of something that I saw and that we all saw at the Bureau. During the summer of 2020, there were cities burning to the ground. There were federal buildings that were being damaged and there was no call out for FBI to respond to protect those buildings and to protect these cities. But yet, you know, when it comes to a political matter, you know, around, January 6th, full force of the FBI was enlisted. So after the George Floyd riots, after the George Floyd riots and the Antifa in Oregon

and all this, the FBI essentially stood down. Didn't look at it. Right, go ahead. Right. There was never like a widespread call out like there was for January 6th. There just wasn't. I mean, we received multiple emails saying, hey, you know, we need volunteers to come to D.C. for this. I never saw

a widespread call-out Bureau wide during 2020. I just did not. All right. Ms. Parker, thanks for your candor and honesty. It's a service to the American people. We really appreciate it and we hope we can speak to you again soon. Thank you. Here's a gem from the

No Spin News Vault. And joining us now from Dallas, Texas is the world famous Glenn Beck, author of the brand new book, arguing with socialist. Back before you get to anything, I got to say.

I got to say, you're looking tan. You're looking Frankie Avalon-ish. How did you get tan? I've been, I painted my barns at the farm and been taking some trees down. So I've been spending a lot of time outside, just trying to get the outside right. Either that or I'm stuck inside painting, painting. so. Say a little to Daniel Boone for me.

I don't even warrant a tie. I don't even warrant a tie, huh? No, no, no. We are all about the journalism. We're not about the trappings anymore. Have you thrown that away? I'm liberated now. All right, back.

Right, okay, good. Yesterday, President Trump's economy's coming roaring back. He built it. You're going to build it again. Now, you're a doubter here. Is that correct? no i i hope that he can i think some of the things that he's uh that he is stopping the democrats from doing uh will help us rebuild i don't think this is going to be as easy as everybody

thinks it is that we're just going to turn it on and everybody's going to go back to work uh there's some there's some real problems uh on the things that they're doing uh you know we're entering modern monetary theory now which is just endless money printing you've got Nancy Pelosi calling for, you know, universal basic income, that's going to put us into a situation more like 1930, between 1930 and 1940, where the depression just didn't end because we were experimenting with things. Let's get back to the free market. Well, they're printing money, and I have warned my audience that the dollar is at risk. If this continues, $25 trillion dollar debt for the USA. But Donald Trump told me on radio, in an extensive interview, you may have

heard, that he in his second term, if he's reelected, he's going to get that debt down, that deficit down. He's going to drive it down. Do you believe that? No, he's always been a debt guy, but I mean, I hate to doubt him because everything he says he's going to do, he's done. So, but I, uh, but I, uh, but I, um, but I, um, he's always been a debt guy, but I mean, I hate to doubt him because everything he says he's going to do, he's done. But I think he's going to be facing some severe headwinds, especially from the Congress. They're looking at spending and spending and spending. I know. It's amazing. They have to do it now because of the pandemic, and you have to basically provide financial relief to 325 million people, not all of us, but many, many others. Now, your book, Arguing with Social

Big New York Times bestseller. And I know they're thrilled to have the name Glenn Beck in the New York Times paper. Oh, Bill, if we could only do it, if we could only do it together, it would be so great. Oh, maybe someday. But they're going, I am so happy Glenn Beck is on the bestseller list. Oh, they love it. Especially arguing against socialist. Right, right.

It's a win-win for them. Beck and anti-socialism. They love it. All right. Why, in your opinion, are so many younger Americans enthralled with socialism when on display is Cuba, Venezuela, Red China? Why do they still want it? Because they see great growth from China and they don't, they're not seeing the bad things. They think this is just a hybrid between socialism and capitalism, which it is, but they don't see the oppression that is there.

No one is teaching them anything about Cuba. Cuba is great health care, Bill. I mean, you learned that from Michael Moore. I mean, it's great stuff. There's no doctors there, but they don't, yeah, they have free health care. Yeah, and they all left. Sutures are, you know, you're given sutures by a chicken, I think. And they think that socialism is happening in Sweden.

That's not a socialist country. But here's the most important part, Bill. Put yourself in the shoes of a 25-year-old with the education system the way it is. You're 25, you were born the year that Timothy McVeigh blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City. You have no memory of that, but that's where your America begins. Then the next thing you probably do have some recollection on is 2011. You remember a war that we're still not out of. You're remembering the economy almost tanked.

People were afraid. people hated America everything we did was wrong then your next event is 2008 the banks collapse they get all the money your mom and dad probably lost their savings maybe they lost their job they struggled the next event that happens is this one

where everybody is struggling you're losing small businesses the banks are making money the big businesses are making money and nobody's caring for the little guy if you're 25 years old that's your view of America and the free market system. And I have news for you. I would be with them because I would look at this and say, this doesn't work. It doesn't work. And so we took that attitude with the book and said, look, I agree with you. Lots of things don't work right now. But it's not the fault

of the free market. The free market hasn't happened for a long time. We now have this cronyism capitalism, crony capitalism that is merging with giant corporations and it's the worst of all of it. Well, I disagree with you somewhat on that premise because when I was 25, I was working my butt off. Okay, I wasn't thinking about crony capitalism or Chase Manhattan Bank. I was working my butt off, Beck. I was trying to accumulate enough capital to do what I wanted to do, saved some money, which was drummed into me by my father. And then I was trying to go up in my career, not for money so much, but for accomplishment. And so I wasn't thinking about Karl Marx or what can the government do for me or any of that. I was working hard. I don't think they are

either, Bill. I think there's a lot of people. I think there's a lot of people, the majority of people, are not actually reading Karl Marx and thinking of that. They are seeing when you grew up, and when I grew up, we had an expectation that our life would be better, that our life would be more secure, that the great horizon of America was just beginning to dawn. And it was true at that time. Now, because of the corruption and everything else,

for the first time, Americans don't believe that their life will be better than their parents. that's a difference. So they are working their butt off. They just don't. No, what'd you say? I disagree. I disagree.

Look, do you know that Tom Petty song? Come on and take a free ride. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it is. I don't think that was Tom Petty, but somebody around Tom Petty. Tom Petty knew who sang that song. Right. All right.

Yeah, I'm sure it was. They knew each other. They were on the same bus. Bernie Sanders, his message is the government's going to take care of you. We're going to take care of you, okay? And that's what this segment wants. They don't want to compete and work hard, back. Because part of that, though, Bill, is part of that is this chase for celebrity,

that celebrity and stuff will make you happen. It will make you happy. That's a lie. You and I both know it. But without the foundations of morality and, and faith, that is very, very attractive. Nothing has meaning anymore. Money doesn't even have meaning anymore.

Do you remember when a trillion dollars was a lot of money? We just printed so much money that if we were actually still using a printing press, it would take us over a year to print the money that we just digitized and spent in the last month. understand and we're lucky that America is still the only place on earth there where people can invest and expect a return because that's what props us on that guy got one more question i don't know do all the investment still coming in they can still sell t bonds they can still sell t-bonds they can still sell their treasury securities they can still do it the market's still there for that to the fact you got you got hay in your barn i do you got you got you got

Can I come out there and I've never actually seen hay, but I'd like to see it. Oh, I would. I will fly you down. You heard it. I'm going to have you spend a day on the farm. Oh, I'd fly you down. Come meet my cattle. And I want chitlins.

Whatever they are, I want them. All right, Beck. I don't know what they are either, but okay. Arguing with socialists, I'll be on with Beck. on his radio program on Friday as we are weekly and buy the book in very interesting conversation. Thank you for listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. To watch the full episodes of the No Spin News, visit Bill O'Reilly.com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member. That's Bill O'Reilly.com.