Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - July 29 2023

Episode Date: July 29, 2023

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Welcome to the No Spin News Weekend Edition. I will remind you that last week, special prosecutor Jack Smith informed President Trump that he's likely to be indicted on more charges stemming from January 6th. And so I said right away what you would have said, get me Brett Talman on the line. Here is a former U.S. attorney for Utah joining us from Salt Lake City. I mean, I'm going to get the impeachment stuff a minute, but I want to get the Trump stuff for out of the way first. So Smith, and you don't really, you're not a big Jack Smith fan.

Is that correct? Okay. All right. So I just want the audience, I want the audience to know where you're coming from. I'm agnostic on Smith. I don't have feelings about him one way or the other. I mean, I need to see, you know, exactly where he's going. going here, but you don't have a fan of his. But that's okay. I mean, you know what the process is.

So it looks like now there are three federal statutes that Smith is going to allege that Trump broke. The first one is conspiracy to commit offense or defraud the United States. How would Trump have defrauded the United States? Yeah, Bill, these are these are statutes that right now, the way in which I understand Jack Smith wants to utilize these statutes is entirely inconsistent with the purpose of the statute. You take that defraud the United States. Okay, okay. But you're getting ahead of, you're getting ahead of yourself. You're the U.S. attorney. You bring charge of conspiracy to defraud the United States. What does that mean? Just give me an example, what that would be. You know, typically an example of that would be you are a business that does

for example, healthcare, and you bill Medicare and Medicaid, and you receive, you know, funding from the United States, but you turn out to be fraudulent in your billing, you overbill the United States, you defraud them, and then the United States comes back and says we're victim. It's usually a financial thing. Okay, that makes sense. Correct. Second, deprivation of rights under color of law. I have no blank an idea. I even looked up the statute. I still don't know what it What does that mean? This is one of the civil rights package of statutes. And it is meant for an individual to go after law enforcement where they use excessive force or they shoot someone and, you know, in the execution of their official duties.

But the individual that they shoot was exercising their constitutional rights. it was designed to go after law enforcement that might go rogue or might not, you know, treat its citizens mindful of the due process. Okay. So Trump is not a lot. Well, he is a chief, president's chief of law enforcement. This looks like it's a stretch to try to jam anything in there to me. And we got to wait until if the allegations are put into writing in exactly what they are. But remember, in the Bragg case in New York, we still don't know what law. Trump, federal law, Trumps, we still don't know. That's right. You know, okay.

And the third one is tampering with a witness victim or an informant. So I guess, Smith, that somebody tell him that Trump called me and said, don't do this. That's what I'm assuming here. Yeah. I mean, it could be the phone call in Georgia. It could be, you know, one of the individuals, anybody, secret service agent that he spoke to, whoever they put in front of a grand jury. Okay.

You'd have to have a human being walk in and say, President Trump told me to do this and I didn't do it. It was violation of law. So it seems to me that Smith, he has to bring something because the documents case is so weak, the Mar-a-Lago raid case is so weak, that he has to bring something else. And then the overall plan is keep indicting Trump. You got local New York, you got possible state Georgia, you got federal charges. just keep him out of the fray, the political fray, by making it impossible for him to function. That's what the strategy,

isn't the question of strategy is in there. All right, let's go back to Merrick Garland. Now, I call them a weasel. Is that unfair? You know, it's not unfair. I've referred to him as a petty, small man that is vindictive. So, you know, in my mind, that might be, Hollywood's, you know, a description of a character that they call a weasel.

Okay. Now, I don't know, Garland, never met him, but I just, I know what he's done in the Biden investigation. And no question that he's trying to, the fix is in, he's trying to block anything. I can't even remember this special prosecutor assigned to Biden's documents near his Corvette in his garage. Can you remember the guy's name? Can you remember them? Yeah, no. We didn't get so fortunate to have one. No, there is one. One was appointed. All right? You don't even know that. Nobody knows. I don't even know. Yeah. There's a special counsel appointed to look into the...

Oh, you're correct. You are correct. On the classified documents, that's right. Yeah, I don't know who it is. Nobody knows who it is. Could be Barney Fife from Andy and May. Mary, nobody, the guy was introduced and then he just vanished, all right? So we do nothing about that. All right, but Merrick Garland, we know a lot about how the Justice Department operated, the U.S. attorneys, and correct me if I'm wrong, you answer, when you were in Utah as a U.S. attorney, you answered to Washington. You answered the Attorney General, correct? Well, you do. And you also have the benefit of any time you want to bring a case.

in this country and in another jurisdiction you either had main justice prosecutors or you had the US attorney in that district that was going to you know help and assist and give you resources especially if as Merrick Garland claims that he was to receive all the cooperation and and have the assistance of the Department of Justice to do what he thought needed to be done in the case then he should have been able to bring any case anywhere in the country okay so Garland had the power to do what he wanted to do, to shape the investigation where he wanted to shape it. Wednesday, Hunter Biden appears in federal court in front of a judge in Delaware. The judge could say, no, I'm not accepting this slap on the wrist, two misdemeanors, and a felony gun charge that'll be expunged. No, it's not right. The fix was in. What are the odds of the judge doing that? I would say about 600 cases that I, you know, observed or supervised, I had a judge do it one time. Okay.

It's very, very rare. Obviously, Delaware is Biden's home field. If the judge did that, the judge would then be obliterated by the left and the Democratic Party. So there's all of that. Anyway, we're on it on Wednesday. We'll see whether like that. This is an opinion question. So if Merrick Garland, if it's very clear that he lied under oath in front of Congress, that they can make that case, then he deserves to be impeached.

But what about if he just skirted it, you know, just on the outer limits, would you suggest that he should be impeached by Republicans and it'll be a party vote in that case? I think there's justification to impeach Merrick Garland. I think that if he's being clever and coy with his words, you know, that's one thing. But there's more than that. There's the refusal to enforce the law, you know, against the conservative justices, for example, or the targeting of Catholics, or refusal to protect and prosecute those that went after, you know, parenting organizations and adoption. agencies and pro-life organizations. So there is enough that I would think that their tolerance for this kind of behavior by Merrick Garland is at its maximum. And it is certainly justified if you ever believe there was a case for it against the sitting attorney general that would

be this. Okay. So the failure to enforce the laws and a failure to uphold your oath to do so. And what you refer to, I just want to refresh everybody's memories. There were demonstrations on Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh's property. Okay. They were photographed. The people who did it were identified. That is a felony under federal law. That's correct.

And none of them were prosecuted. That's pretty vivid. That's correct. And you think that's enough to impeach him? Well, I think you add that to what has happened now, the lies about the U.S. attorney in Delaware and the scope of his power and authority to bring cases and then the effort to conceal what the Department of Justice was doing. And the IRS whistleblowers themselves have really blown open the case that Weiss did not have the authority and that Maine justice was making the calls and they tried to hide. Okay. All right, Brett, we appreciate it very much. Thanks as always. Power, politics and the people behind the headlines. I'm Miranda Devine, New York Post columnist,

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So Beck, his outfit, keeps a close eye on the Fox News channel. I don't. There's really no reason for me to do that. I mean, I'll once in a while cruise by there. But to me, it's a different company than when I worked there for more than 20 years. They paid me handsomely. I did my job. I'm glad I'm not there any longer.

That was one of the best things that ever happened to me. you know, how it's evolved out of that. So I don't really mess around with them, so on. But Beck does. So Beck's people uncovered a charitable thing. That's pretty interesting. So if you give money to a charity and you work at Fox News, the company will match up to $1,000 in donations.

Okay, so if you give Big Brothers $5,000, then FNC will pop you another $1,000 check. That's $6,000 altogether. That's how that works. Anyway, the charities that are approved by the company are listed, okay? So you know, like you can't give the charity money to your girlfriend, okay? So that or boyfriend. Now, three of the charities are the satanic temple. I'm not kidding around.

Planned Parenthood and the arch leftist Southern Poverty Law Center. They are on the approved list or were. Okay. So Beck breaks the story. Whereupon it's picked up by Newsmax and Eric Bowley, who does the 8 o'clock program at prime time. And he invites the late Roger Ailes' widow on to talk about it. Now, you may remember that Roger Ailes ran Fox News and built it into the most powerful news agency in the world.

Okay, he died a few years ago. The world of take. This is just a betrayal of the Fox News core audience that he had sought to serve for so long. And it's an example of how the Murdochs have decided that they will give us all these reasons why this is okay. And they will seek to have a triumph of reason over instinct. And all of us know that devil worship, gender affirming care, you name it some of the themes of these organizations that are available to match the donations they are all they are evildoers okay so uh joining us now from mokaritone florida where he's

getting tanner by the second is the aforementioned eric bowling so i don't know i mean right after you ran your segment, Fox News took the Satanic Temple off the list, right? Do I have that right? Yep, 100%. I spoke to Beck on Friday night. By Sunday, they had removed the Satanic Temple as one of the matching, one of the qualified groups,

I won't say charity, they'll say groups, that they were willing to match up to $1,000 of employee donations. You know, they didn't take Planned Parenthood off. I'm pretty sure they didn't. And I'm pretty sure they didn't take the Southern Poverty Law Center off either. But also interesting to know, well, let me just talk. On yesterday's show, I had the founder of the Satanic Temple on. His name is Lucian Greaves, who said, yeah, but you know, who cares, you know.

And I said, Lucian, you're wrong. there are qualified charities that would benefit from that money. Frankly, I was having a hard time talking to him. I didn't think I should even be talking to someone who represented satanic worship, and that's what they're all about. Franklin Graham, I'll give you one, Bill. Franklin Graham advertises on Fox News. You see it every night.

That wasn't one of the qualified charities, but the Satanic Temple was. All right. Now, do you ask Fox News for a reply or something, and so did Beck? they didn't reply to you or Beck. Is that correct? Well, Beck did. We didn't, we didn't ask. Well, no, no. Did you ask Fox News for a comment? No, I asked Beck if he asked Fox News for a comment.

Okay, so they didn't reply to Beck. But obviously, this got into the public, and so they removed the satanic temple, and the devil must be mad. Now, there's a rumor floated around, and it was Greg Gutfeld donating to the satanic temple. Was that true? I couldn't, I can't confirm or deny that. That's a joke. That's a joke, media matters.

We're making fun of Gutfell. He makes fun to everybody. We can do that. So I don't think there's anybody at Fox News who would donate to the Satanic Temple. I could be wrong, but I don't know. But the fact that it's on there, that it's actually in print. It's just so absurd. I can't believe it.

What it demonstrates to me is, it's really nobody in charge. Nobody paying attention. Can't be. It just can't be anybody paying attention in this. Come on, Bill. I mean, the companies, last year they had a Pride Month. They had a big logo on their screens, and they were constantly talking about let's celebrate break Pride Month,

and it wasn't so, I don't know, embraced this year, so they stopped doing it. The board seems to be pushing into a more woke agenda, a more woke editorial, because when you do that, you open up your audience to a bigger audience. You can go grab some MSNBC audience viewers or CNN viewers because you're not just seen as a center right. I mean, Beth Bale said it perfectly. Roger Ailes found it.

He brought Fox News to prominence under God, family, country, and in that order. And it seems like Fox News has lost at least some of that narrative. Well, it's certainly not as traditional as it was under Mr. Ailes. But, you know, look, Fox News remains. number one because it is the only major. And Newsmax is coming up. Your program has added a lot of viewers since Tucker Carlson left FNC. But they offer still a traditional approach. As long as you have Hannity and Laura Ingram, Waters now at 8 o'clock. I mean, these people are traditional conservative people. And FNC has not interfered with them at all, where they do, I understand,

at the fear is during the day programming and that kind of like different but i wouldn't say that they're on a massive jihad to get msnbc viewers bowling i don't think they're what what would be the what would be the purpose of they don't they don't care see it's a different thing when you and i know when you and i were there they cared i mean yeah because it was a structure you know let's let's talk about uh promoting the satanic temple we we get our ask they didn't promote it they were promoting the satanic temple is there they gave they're not promoting they would match they would make a donation dollar for dollar matching donation to the satanic temple let me explain to you let me explain to you why i believe that happened so when you and i were there there was a structure of management

with professional journalists okay write down the list they all had covered news stories they had been around uh for a while they were experienced people there were experienced people there The news gathering operation was fairly smooth. The news came in, guys like you and me, analyze what came in. And then behind the scenes, there wasn't anybody. I mean, really, I mean, I did a lot of matching over there because my foundation gives a lot of money to charity, and they were always fine and sign the checks, and it was always to the children's or the veterans charities and all that.

But now the people behind, the diversity people, they've taken. taken a much, much larger role in that corporation, and that's what's going on. Why, though? Why? Well, it's with the management. The ownership wants it. They wanted that way. Maybe, maybe. I was giving it more, I was actually giving more slack. I was cutting them more slack by giving them the business end of it, like, oh, hey, they're looking for a bigger audience, so they're, they're widening. They know they're not going to get, they're not going get CNN or MSNBC No, they

want to lure back the viewers that they've lost. I mean, at 8 o'clock, they're down where at my slot, they're at about 50% of what a he's to do. So they try to get those people who have fled

for one reason or another all right, back. But I don't think the Satanic Temple donation program is the way to do it, but You know, maybe there are a lot of evildoers who, you know, have Nielsen Diaries. Well, I perhaps. I mean, I interviewed this guy, Lucian Greaves yesterday, and I literally on air said to him,

I don't even, I don't even feel comfortable talking to you. It was the guy's got one black eye, one white eye, and he's the guys are all loons. If you had an idea of what the devil would look like, it would look like him. But, but again, Bill, I'm like, okay, fine. I just believe that their business model has evolved because maybe Robert Rogers gone. Rupert Murdoch may be taking a lesser role. Maybe the sons are taking a larger role. They may be more liberal, more inclusive, more into diversity.

And I think that's what's happening. But I'm also pointing it out because the audience that you develop, Bill, and that I kind of tried to hold while I was there, it's a different makeup. it's a different demographic now than what there is no more demographic 25 to 54 gone totally gone let's talk about newsbacks um you guys are facing what fnc faced with the voting machines to lawsuits against newsmax um but you're not directly involved with any of that correct i wasn't here no i was i came you weren't there so that may impact newsmax if if if you're not They settle, or Newsmax settles, or they lose in court, and there's a big judgment against the network. And Fox had this big war chest, thanks to Meath, and I appreciate you pointing it out, of billions of dollars, they could pay this off, but Newsmax does not.

I'm a little bit worried there that the Dominion lawsuit is going to hurt the network. I'm not being coy with you. It just happened prior to me coming here. you know i see what what the dominion but by the way the dominion settlement by fox 787 million dollars is that why Tucker got bounced right after i i don't know who knows maybe they were thinking about fighting it and no one wanted rupert up on the stand i have no idea i can't even go because i'm not even involved i'm not not even privy to the to the legal machinations at newsmax okay so basically basically at this point there's two lawsuits pending against newsmax but you're not involved you're not covering

you're not doing that right i'm not even looked in on on okay the zeitgeist within the office it's going to be interesting because i think the country needs newsmax um we've certainly we've certainly benefited like when as you point out first of all you peaked the your your audience was the top tick on on the audience numbers for fox after you left tucker built something some of what was lost by Fox News, built it back. And, you know, I know Jesse's a protege of yours. He's just not a Tucker, in my opinion. And just from Tucker alone, they lost the million viewers in primetime on average.

Jesse brought it back maybe half of that, maybe just a smidge north of that. But we certainly had no down draft this past week when Fox launched their new primetime lineup. No, no, I see the numbers every night. and Newsmax is on the rise, particularly your program, which is the highest rated show by far on it. But the country needs Newsmax because there is such an imbalance, and there is no greater illustration of that than the Biden financial story. Without Fox News and Newsmax, nobody know about it. That's how frightening this is.

yeah they all want your your my your uh talking points in your motto were spot on margaret brennan is placed in on you know very high profile important journalism journalism journalistic seat in in face the nation moderator and she's like oh let's move on are you kidding me pull the threads a journalist like a a lawyer a good lawyer will start pulling the thread so this the idea of impeaching First of all, Margaret Brenner should have been pulling more threats, but the idea of impeaching Biden makes sense because in the impeachment hearings, you lean on people. You talk to people.

You find out you have more leverage to talk to people. It'll open to do with it. But in order to make it legitimate to the American people and not a fiasco like the Trump stuff, which actually strengthened Trump, although it put them through hell, they've got to have this guy, Devin Archer on Monday, go in and say,

I was there with Joe Biden and he was talking to Hunter Biden about Burisma, Romania, China. He's got to say that. You don't have that. Then you can't bring in the impeachment. You pointed out three years ago, three and a half years ago,

the narrative around Biden himself was saying, I've never spoken to Hunter about his business. But he gets away with it. He gets away with it. Well, the goalpost keeps moving and now it's, well, KJP saying, Joe's never been in business with Hunter.

That's quite a far cry from I've never spoken. Well, the combination of this, which is a major, major story and a detriment to the Biden administration and his physical and mental decline. I suggest it to the White House rather than get a shorter stairs bowling, you know, to walk into Air Force One,

he should get one of those little elevator seats. You can buy those, you know? You just go, ooh, you don't have to walk. You don't need those. I see pictures of you scuba diving with Holly. No, I have. Is Holly okay? Is Holly all right? She's all right.

She's racked out over here. I see the hostage videos. I blink twice Holly and sniff something. Make sure you're actually alive. Holly is our big marketer. I'll tell you that. All right, bowling. Thank you for coming on.

Really appreciate it. Continued success at Newsmax. And we'll talk again soon. I hope. Thank you, Bill. See on my show Tuesday. Hey, I'm Caitlin Becker, the host of the New York Postcast, and I've got exactly what you need to start your weekdays.

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the Biden administration is, Justice Department, FBI, White House itself. There's no question. That's the memo. All right, I don't want another point of view, so let's spring in. Barry Covert, he is a criminal defense lawyer based in Buffalo. He's been with us before, very articulate. And I always like to hear views other than my own, unlike most pundits. Am I going wrong anywhere, counselor? Well, my understanding from the reporting that I saw is that when the judge asked both parties whether this provides immunity for non-tax charges, which in most instances, this taking a plea to a tax charge would not provide you immunity to unrelated charges. The government said no, and that those investigations are ongoing, which is consistent

with what they've said during press conferences, media up to today. The defense, obviously, I'm a defense lawyer. I would like my client to have immunity when they plead guilty to any level offense and I want them to have immunity for anything they've ever done in their entire lives. The defense said, yeah, it's our understanding we're going to have immunity. This is the end of it. No more investigations, not even appears for future actions. So my understanding is the government did disagree with that and said, no, we've got ongoing investigations. And it's a horrible day for Hunter Biden and his defense team. But certainly the defense. team had to know Abby Lowell

was a brilliant lawyer that the Justice Department was going to say, no, we're not going to stop. They couldn't possibly, for the Court of Public Opinions, say, yeah, whatever Hunter Biden did, they're not even investigating it now.

I mean, that's the ruse here. But to put that on the record, to say, nah, yeah, this agreement covers everything. Lowell and Hunter Biden had to know that was never going to happen. Am I wrong? Which is, no, you're not wrong, and it's very surprising that knowing that this was going to have the focus and attention of the nation, people in the world, that they did not have all of this ironed out.

You get the impression that they thought, we're going to slide in there and take the plea and then take the position later that we had universal immunity from everything else. and the judge wisely clarified the issue. She said, I want to know what both sides' position is on this immunity for unrelated tax, offenses not related to taxes, such as the one you discussed, the ones you discussed that he wasn't a registered lobbyist for a foreign agent. And the judge luckily clarified it. They hadn't know that was going to happen, though, particularly if they researched the judge who gave jail to. time to a person who had a gun was involved with narcotics. My only response to that bill is that that was, I presume, before the recent Supreme Court decision in Bruin where the Supreme Court said that all these gun laws, if they didn't

exist 200 years ago, essentially not exactly, but if they didn't exist 200 years ago, then we're not going to honor them now. And all kinds of courts now across the country, federal and state have knocked down almost every federal and state regulation of guns for prior felons that has been shut down by some courts it's not definitive but they've been shut down state laws have been shut down all right that might be theoretical but she knew if she let hunter Biden off on this gun thing that the press the right wing press conservative press is going to come right after her as a hypocrite and you know how judges are they don't like They don't like it at all.

They don't want any of that. So anyway, legally, what happens now? The Justice Department then has to file for a trial date. Is that the next step? Yeah, but remember, we're only looking at misdemeanors. Even if he's found guilty, it's not the end of the world. He faces a maximum of a year in jail. And someone with no prior record, it's not that big of a deal.

But yes, the prosecution is going to ask for a trial date. probably way off because they still probably want to work out some type of a plea, work out the language. Then if it doesn't get worked out, there will be discovery, but the prosecution already has that discovery. The defense can be expected to file motions, try to have the charges dismissed, as we said, for undergrounds for the Bruin decision,

for the gun count, for the tax charges, and come up with whatever reason they think that they can challenge the tax charges. But more likely, the two sides are going to come together. You already saw the defense throw in the towel today. They basically said, they don't want to go to trial because it'll hurt the president. Yeah, the trial will help us. See, we're not going to get universal immunity. We tried.

Oops, you caught us. We can't get it. Right. We'll take this anyway. There's no upside for anybody here. Everybody knows Hunter Biden is a grifter. Everybody knows he got off lightly because Merrick Garland is corrupt, the attorney general. Everybody knows that Joe Biden knew what Hunter was doing.

We just don't know the extent of that, but they're obviously zeroing in on it. All right, counsel, very good. I like it because you're pithy, you know, and even I can understand what you're saying, and that's the key to this whole broadcast. Appreciate your time very much. Here's a gem from the No Spin News Vault. So let's go to Monica Crowley, who is the former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during the Trump administration

and she hosts the Monica Crowley podcast these days. So it's getting harder to defend your guy, is it not? Well, look, President Trump hasn't been in office bill for two years and he has spent the last two years trying to bring the truth to the American people and this Twitter dump proves that Donald Trump has been right about everything

when he said that they were spying on his campaign and undermining his presidency and the Russia hoax and the two fake impeachments, and then that the big tech was working hand in glove with the Biden campaign and then the FBI and DOJ to torpedo him. So he has spent the last two years trying to do that, and now he's announced that he is running again. I do agree with you to some extent that, and this has been true for Trump throughout his political career in the last seven years,

that too often there are unforced errors. There are things that he says and does. does that are unnecessary, that then create a controversy, a problem for him, legal problem, political problem, you name it. And that's not going to stop because that's who he is. He enjoys the controversy. He loves throwing grenades into the middle of the propaganda press to see how they're going to run with it so he can counterpunch. But I do think this, Bill, and this is where I think I agree with you. 2015 and 2016, when he first ran, he captured. He captured. lightning in a bottle. And it is very difficult, if not impossible, politically, to ever do that

again. Richard Nixon was able to do it, you know, when he ran again in 1968 after losing in 1960, JFK. But it is very, very difficult to do it, especially in this day and age. It is, but Trump has a record. Trump gets a break because Biden is so incompetent and he has a record. So he can pivot and say, I'm going to run on my record, this guy is destroying the country. It's not like he doesn't have anything to go to. Yet, as you pointed out, he's still tossing the grenades. I mean, look, when you dine with Kanye West and the other nut, what do you think is going to happen? People don't pay attention to the news that much, but they know Kanye West and you are having supper at Mar-a-Lago,

and they know Kanye West has said some anti-Semitic things. So what benefit is it to you, Donald Trump, to have supper with the man? I mean, I'm just asking logical questions. Yeah, and you're right. And here's my criticism of Trump. And I consider Donald Trump to be my friend. He was my president, and he is my friend. But I will say this, and this has been one of his Achilles heels from the very beginning,

is that he doesn't have grownups around him who can vet this stuff before it gets to him. And at this late point in his political career, he should at least have that. There should have been someone to say, okay, Kanye West wants to come and have dinner with you. He wants your advice on how to get his career back on track. And Trump being a good person, agreed to that. But the second Kanye shows up with these two wild characters who should not be dining with the former president of the United States, there was nobody around him to say this is a setup and you shouldn't do this. But do you think that even if there, do you think, Monica, that even if there were somebody around and say, ah, it's not a good idea, Trump would listen to him? I don't know anybody listens to him. Not necessarily. I agree with you. Donald Trump considers himself his own best counselor, advisor, etc. Even in the White House, he considered himself that. And while he is the best instinctual politician I have ever seen. And I worked with former President Nixon. I knew President Reagan a little bit.

that he is the best instinctual politician I've ever seen. But Bill, sometimes those instincts lead him astray. And it gets him into unnecessary trouble like that dinner did. Well, he has an opportunity now because Musk is going to drop a lot more stuff, I believe. And if Trump would just get out of the way and not make lunatic statements about, hey, got to throw the Constitution out and make me president tomorrow, it would benefit him because we don't know what's coming, but we know it's not good for the Democrats. But Trump will step on the story and say, you see, I told you I should be president.

And that's all the media will report. That's all our report. Correct? You know, I keep a little bit of a different interpretation of what Trump put on truth, social, that statement about the Constitution. I know most people are reading it the way you're reading it, Bill, and I think that that's a legitimate interpretation. But I read it a little differently. I heard in, you know, Trump is an excellent communicator, but sometimes the language gets a little mangled with what he was trying to say.

I think what he was trying to say is that if you have a fraudulent and rigged election, it allows for the termination of the Constitution, meaning that the leftists who are trying to destroy the Constitution and trying to tear this country apart and destroy it, that they, now have an excuse to continue to do it because they rigged the election so again i'm not quite sure what trump may yeah but that's some political that's some political science class monica i mean the folks aren't going to go into that they're just going to hear now he wants to throw out the constitution so he can be president again i mean it is that's what he meant by that yeah look right now Trump's momentum is on the downside. Would you agree with that?

I think, yes. I think he's tied up legally. I think he's got all kinds of problems on his plate that he is going to have to deal with. And like I said, this time around is not 2016, where he was essentially a novelty act. Nobody had ever seen anything like that before. They wanted to give him a chance and see if he would deliver for the forgotten men and women, which he did during four years in the presidency, but the context has changed this time, the country has changed, the party has changed, we're in a

completely different world now, so his entire approach to this run has to be different. I have not seen that yet, but that doesn't mean it's not coming from here. All right, well, maybe you can straighten him out there, Monica, get down at Palm Beach, and say, hey, you want to win, is what you have to do, but he's not going to win

as it stands now. As it stands now, election was tomorrow doesn't matter who's run against him. He doesn't win, my opinion, my humble opinion. Monica, thanks very much, as always. I hope you enjoy the season. Thank you, Bill. You too. Thank you for listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition.

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