Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - June 15, 2024

Episode Date: June 15, 2024

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Welcome to the No Spin News Weekend Edition. All right, the border latest, this is murky here. So on June 4th, President Biden, as you know, issued an executive order, and it's a confusing order. It puts all this work on the Border Patrol people who can't do it. I'm not going to go over it again. But since that time, the Border Patrol says that, arrests and not really arrests. They stop them. Most of these migrants actually go up to the Border Patrol agents say, I want asylum, and then 24 hours later, they're in the country doing what they

want. Paid for it by us, the taxpayer. That's how it usually works. But it's down 20%. Okay, I don't know why. I'm trying to get the numbers here, but they're very hard to get. Because the Border Patrol can't do all this paperwork. It's as simple as that. But there are still thousands and thousands of migrants crossing the border every day? Thousands. All right. Now, the ACLU says it's going to file a lawsuit against Biden's executive order because, quote from the ACU, it would rush vulnerable people through already fast-track deportation proceedings, sending people in need protection to their deaths. Wow. But the ACU has not filed yet. Don't know why.

They were jumping on it. Joining us now from Miami is a top-flight immigration lawyer. His name is Antonio Revella the third. He is the third. Okay? I hope your dad and grandfather weren't lawyers. That would be too much to bear. I have some questions about this because you know the world very well.

Number one, what is your vision? Say you're in charge. I'm putting Antonio Revella in charge of the southern border. Who gets in? Who doesn't get in? Well, Bill, the problem is this, and I've been criticizing this from day one. What's happening is that people are coming through. They are being processed.

They're being processed to make sure that they're not criminals in their home country. to make sure that they haven't taken terrorism routes to come here that they're not terrorist. The problem is that when they show up at the border or any court of entry or they're even stopped by a cops and support protection officer between borders, they're basically processed and let into the United States. What should be happening? And my wife asked me this the other night, she goes, do you want everybody coming in? And I said, well, you know, it's not a bad situation for immigration lawyers that have everybody coming in. But what they're supposed to be doing at the border, if you don't have a proper visa to enter,

is you have to be processed for what's called credible fear. That means that when you express, I fear going back to my country, they have to have an asylum officer do a lengthy credible fear interview so that it is determined whether or not they truly have a credible fear of persecution in their home country. Right. But that's impossible for the Border Patrol to do on a daily basis. You cannot do it as you know. Now, at Miami International, if somebody flies in from Port of Prince and doesn't have the proper

credentials, you might be able to do that. But you can't do it on a 3,000-mile border. And while they are looking for credible fear and all of that, they release these people because they don't have the facilities to hold them at the border. As a result, under Biden, there has been more than 10 million foreign nationals release into this country. It's great. Now, what is wrong with what Trump did, say, okay, we'll check you out, but while we're checking you out, you stay in Mexico.

What's wrong with that? I think that's, it might happen again. No, no, no. What is wrong with the return weight in Mexico policy? What? It's the same thing that is wrong with what UK's doing with asylum seekers sending them to Rwanda. You are touching foot, you're landing in the United States, you're within our borders, and the law says that once you're here, you can ask for asylum versus credible fear.

As far as the resources are concerned, the customs of border protection. They don't conduct a credible for your interview. They need more asylum officers to sit down with everybody there. It's important. It's crazy. It is not possible. They don't have near, but you still haven't told me, sure, we will check out your asylum request. But meantime, you wait in Mexico.

You still haven't told me why that's wrong. That cut it down to Trump's last year to 800,000. from four or five million that we have now a year. Come on, Counselor, look, You're either trying to protect the country or you're not. And as you know, some of these migrants have caused death and destruction on our soil. Why should they wait here for their case to be adjudicated? That's a get into the USA free card.

You know it is. Because they're here. And as far as having them wait in Mexico, that is a factor that is used. And it causes a deterrent to a lot of people. But once again, the law states that when you're in the United States, the law does not state where the asylum seeker has to go. The law does not say once you apply for asylum, you have to stay in the United States. It doesn't say they should be set in Mexico either.

It doesn't say they should be. sent to Mexico either. No, it doesn't say anything about it. So the president has a right by executive order, just as Biden did. Trump had to write. Law doesn't say you stay here. You get a bus ticket to New York or Miami. It's not the law doesn't say that. It says we'll process your request. Meantime, we're not going to let you run around this country. All right. You haven't convinced me that the remain in Mexico policy is a detriment at all. And I believe, it is a positive for this country. Now, ACOU. It's not a positive for everybody, though. I'm sorry, repeat? Well, look, it's a positive for most Americans if you believe the polls, because they

don't want this. And I'm going to give a poll right after our interview. Sixty-two percent of Americans want to round up all migrants and ship them out, according to CBS on Sunday. That's a release poll on Sunday. So there you go. Now, ACLU. So it looks to me like they're just trying to find something to keep the open border going. Am I wrong? No. The ACLU is most likely going to argue that they shouldn't limit what's called CBP1 applicants.

That's on the app where they make an appointment to present themselves at the border. They're going to say that you shouldn't limit it to 2,500 people. over a period of 14 days. Now, the other issue that I wanted to mention earlier, what worries me is that people are being let in without being processed for credible fear. We are going to create an underclass of millions and millions of more people

that are in this country without being able to seek any kind of benefits. So the easy part for a lot of people is coming into the country. The hard part is how are they going to seek benefits and what are the benefits they can seek, asylum or possibly getting married. And I meet with clients every day, and I tell them the easy part for you was entering the United States. The hard part now is how can you get a benefit? An asylum is very, very difficult to get.

So if they were processed, the way that they're supposed to be processed through credible fear, then we wouldn't have this issue. The other issue with the Remain of Mexico program, And those are people that credible fear was found, and now they have to appear before a judge. So now they wait in Mexico for that process. But the people now are not being processed for that. They're not being processed. And that's what the open border Biden policy is.

Let them in. And I'll tell you what's going to happen. And by the way, I appreciate you coming on. And if I had an immigration problem where we're trying to get somebody, I would hire you. I just want everybody to know that. Okay. But this thing is a mess. and the underclass that you just talked about already exists.

Exists where I live in New York. It's already here. Okay? It's going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. It's going to get bigger and bigger and more and more social programs and the states don't have the money. New York City doesn't have the money. And this is another detriment to the open border. Last word, 20 seconds, go.

I feel that borders being mismanaged. If the law was followed correctly, like I said, everybody being processed for credible fear. If the federal fear is not found, then they're not admitted. They're not even placed in the remaining Mexico. So you're agreeing with me. You stay in Mexico, no credible fear, which takes forever to figure out, then you go back. All right, counsel, we really appreciate it. Thank you very much.

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So, do I feel sorry for drug abusers? Yeah, I do. Do I have some admiration for people who rehab and get clean? I do. But I also tell those people, you are to be held accountable if you hurt other people. And that means shoplifting everything. Any crime you commit, any crime, you have to be held accountable for. Addicted or not.

But most importantly, the federal government, the state government, and the local governments all have to protect innocent people, particularly children. Remember, 70% of all child neglect and abuse in America is caused by substance abuser. 70 percent. The kids are getting hammered. The governments have to protect innocent people from substance abusers. They have to. Joining us now is a man who might see it differently. He is Dr. Daniel Bober, psychiatrist, chief medical officer for the Mental Health Television Network. I'm going to know us from Hollywood, Florida. So I don't, I'm not giving any, any Attica pass. I know about the disease. I know about the predisposition.

You hurt somebody else. You got to pay a price. Where am I going wrong? I think it's a complicated issue, Bill. I agree that you don't absolve people of responsibility because they're substance users. But we know addiction is a brain disease. It does affect people's self-control, their ability to exercise, restraint, their judgment, their insight. And sometimes they do hurt other people.

But I do think that you're correct that we should not give them a free path. and that people who commit crimes, whether they be substance abusers or not, need to suffer the consequences of their action. And in fact, even in dealing with addicts on a daily basis, we tell them you have to experience the natural consequences of your action. So I don't think that they are. Yeah, it's just a matter of implementation. So let's run it down a few things. Number one, all human beings have a free will, even if you're predisposed to addiction. And I may be because I've had addiction to my family.

and every single person watching me, all millions, watching and listening tonight, doctor, have had addiction in their family or among their friends, everyone. But just because you're predisposed doesn't mean you're going to become an adult. You have to choose to enter that life. You have to make a choice to do it. Nobody's forcing the booze down your throat

or the needle into your arm. Okay? So you choose. And in this day and age, every single human being knows the danger of addiction, particularly with the fentanyl. Everybody knows it. Yet millions of Americans still choose to give up their life for substance abuse. Am I wrong?

You're not wrong, but I think human beings are deeply flawed, just like people choose to eat fried chicken and they get a heart disease. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't approach them with compassion, with dignity and respect, but obviously they're still responsible for their actions. All right. The best way to handle this, and I did my thesis at Harvard on this very subject, is mandatory substance rehabilitation for criminals. So you commit a crime and you're an addict, you come into the court,

and the judge says you either get a year or two, whatever it may be, or you go through the system, and we hold you. while we're going. Or you go to rehab. Now, that's going to be a big investment on a part of the federal government and the state governments to build humane rehabilitation centers. And they should be humane, staffed by people like you. Okay. But it's already happening. But it's not happening on a national level. In Singapore, it does. Now, they're not real touchy-feely over in Singapore. So if you're caught under the influence of substance, you're gone for 22 months. the market away. The pushers had nobody to sell to in Singapore. Plus, if they catch the

pushers, you can be executed. They're going to hang you. Okay. So there's no drug problem in Singapore, none. And I extensively, I went there to that country, extensively documented how Singapore eliminated all its drug problem. Remember, at one time, opium overran that country. God. That is the way to deal with substance abuse. Is it not? Listen, I understand you're taking a hard line approach, but addiction is about so many things. As you said, it's about genetics, it's about trauma, it's about poverty. It's a line that runs through every social ill in society. So you certainly can take a hardline approach, but it is a disease that needs treatment.

There are drug courts that have diversion for people that are willing to get treatment, and a lot of times it's mandatory. But I think it's a very, very complicated psychosocial issue. All right, but final thing, if a drug addict or alcoholic says, no, I don't want to be rehabbed, I like living in a state of inebriation, and most, according to all the studies, don't want rehab. Then you have to be really tough or innocent people get hurt. Last word. I agree with you. I think addiction is a very complicated disease. There's certainly an element of choice that's involved in it. And if people aren't willing to get help, then they have to experience the natural consequences of their actions.

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It's not a limbo. Oh, yeah. It's not a limo bill. Is it cost her? Yeah. He's covering the NBA finals. Tomorrow night is a third game. Stephen A. Smith, the author of Straight Shooter, a memoir of Second Chances and First Takes. Good book. You did a good job there, Stephen. He's the host of Stephen A. Smith podcast on YouTube. In addition, he works for ESPN on first take every morning. So he is over-employed. Stephen Smith is over-employed. Too many jobs like me. All right? All right, first of all.

The Dodgers. Colossal mistake, correct? Collossal mistake? Well, you know what? That remains to be seen, Bill, only from the standpoint that we understand at the end of the day, these are business decisions. And when you think that something is going to

ingratiate you with an audience or it's going to prevent an audience from separating itself from you, most of these decisions are based on that premise. And so when you look at it from that perspective, that's what I think you have to take into consideration here. A lot of times, you see organizations and what they're doing particularly in this day and age with one issue

after another new issue seemingly cropping up every single week for crying out loud when that stuff is going on what you're trying to do is wiggle and maneuver your way through the terrain sort of speak and to make sure that it doesn't find its way towards affecting your bottom line in the so what i'm hearing from you is the los angeles dodgers have no morality at all they'll honor a hate group if they think the hate group's honor will bring them money. I don't know this definitively, but I'm inclined to say yes. I'm inclined to say yes. And the angels, the LA angels are going to have to change their name.

The angels have to change their name. They can't honor a group that hates Christians and call them some of the angels. I don't know anything about this group. I'm not speaking about a specific group. What I'm saying to you, Bill O'Reilly. Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. No, no, no. In fairness to you, I haven't done my whole work on this particular issue. I have not, but let me say this to you. I'm not questioning anything about the group. What I'm saying to you is this. I'm inclined to believe when I speak about that, I'm speaking in generalities because in my years of covering sports, particularly in this day and age, the exorbitant amount of money that has really cropped up. To answer your question, I do think that morality has gone out the window for a whole bunch of. of folks acting as if morality is playing the role. So remember last summer when Manfred, the commission of baseball, moved the All-Star

game out of Atlanta, hurting African-American businesses like crazy, to Denver under a fraudulent banner of voter suppression, which was blown out of the water when Georgia had record voter participation a few months later in the midterms. so what about you're missing one what about what about what happened in 2017 when the NBA moved the all-star game to new orleans from charlotte because of the whole baths the quote-unquote bathroom law that was put in the place by governor mccrory at the time i mean it's not the first time it's happened it's not the first time it's not okay and i'm saying to you bill o'reilly whether it's bill o'rally mr no spin himself how many times have you called out one corporation after another spanning decade because morality has been thrown out the window in favor of their bottom line. But they get hurt. Those companies get hurt, whereas I don't think the Dodgers are going to lose any, anything but more games because I think God is going to punish them.

And I hope he does that say to you? I don't like to me. What does that say to you about the fact that you've been covering these kind of stories for years? And as you accurately pointed out, once upon the time, corporations were hurt by the these things. Now they are being hurt. No, Anheiser bushes got blown out of the water. That is true. Target got blown out of the water and is getting working. But here's the nexus. Look, you, I predict, I don't even know if you know this or not, are going to cross over into what

I do in the next few years. Barkley is already doing it because CNN hired them to do a weekly and that's not going to be about somebody shooting a three-pointer, okay? He's going to give his opinion on world events, country events. You're going to do the same thing. But in the sports industry itself, politics is now coming on in so heavy. Is that a good or bad thing? Depends on the issue. And I would tell you this.

You know this better than me because obviously you're a little bit older than me, although you look better. Here's the deal. You remember in the 60s and the 70s and you saw civil rights error, you saw Muhammad Ali refusing to enter the draft and going to the Army because he didn't want to go to Vietnam. You saw Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russell,

the late Jim Brown got arrested, so standing behind him in support of it or sitting by his side in support of him because that was a clear issue when you talk about black folks and how folks were treated. Now we've got issues. We've got xenophobia, what people will classify xenophobia, we've got situations involving immigration, we've got the transgender issue, we've got the homophobia, we've got all of these things that have percolated to the point where racism has just been, you know, it's like, it's not even up there on the food chain any longer, but cry not allowed compared to a lot of these other issues. And when you have that audience in the world of sports, here's the difference.

Anheuser-Busch, you brought that up and said, okay, maybe I won't go buy some beer. Maybe I won't go to Target. It's a lot more difficult for an audience to say, I'm not going to watch a football game. I'm not going to watch a baseball game. Not true. We saw that was happening. And that's the challenge.

And that's the challenge because the entertainment comes into play. The NFL knew they were in danger and they ordered, the owners ordered the players not to kneel. And that's why it went away. They knew they were in danger. They were right on the edge. Now, there's another issue, and I need your take on this, biologically born men who choose as an adult. to become a woman, and you're allowed to do that in America.

You are allowed to do it. But then they want to get in the pool and swim against the female swimmers or play a sport against. And biologically, everyone knows physiologically, if you're born a male, you are born stronger than a female. So does it make sense to allow these trans people to compete against women, in your opinion? In my opinion, no, and I've been on the record stating that. And this is my thing. I'm so liberal in my thinking on social issues.

I'm fiscally conservative, but on social issues, I'm a really big proponent on living and let living. I believe that everybody should have the same equal rights, civil rights, et cetera, et cetera, I'm very, very big on that. So I'm very supportive of the homosexual community, the transgender community in that regard, et cetera, et cetera. But when you talk about people who are born, men competing in a women's sports because they've transitioned to women.

That is definitely a discussion that I think that we should all have because on its face, I don't see how that's possible, nor does I see how it's right to an abundance of, to every, every naturally born female out there who is competing in the world of sports. There's a fairness issue there. And the only reason it's happening is because it is insane, progressive, woke culture. Final question. You came out and you said, President Biden, in your opinion, you have a right to it. You're an American, and I'm sure you're a registered voter, is too old to carry on to be president. Okay. You were attacked, and I don't know whether you follow the progressive internet. Attacked. I mean viciously attacked. Were you surprised that that vitriol, came your way? No, because I think that we're living in the society right now

where you can agree with somebody 99% of the time and the one time you don't agree with them, the world is going to end. I don't give a damn about that. That's not what I care about. And the cynicism and the vitriol doesn't affect me one bit. I'm not engaging in ageism because I support the elderly. I'm all for that.

I don't believe that somebody should retire just because there's 70 or 75 or whatever the case may be. What I'm saying is that, and I think that a lot of people missed this point about what I was saying about the president, I think that when you're 80 years of age, when you're going to be 82 at the time of the election, if you were to win, you'd go into your 85th, 86th birthday. The presidency of the United States is an all-encompassing responsibility. It's a huge, huge job. We're not talking about you going to work a 9 to 5. We're not talking about you even being the CEO of a company for crying out loud. I'm down for, do your thing.

That's not a problem. But when you're talking about the presidency of the United States and all that that encompasses, more so than saying he shouldn't be in the presidency, I'm looking at the parties and saying, you have no one better? You have no one better than an 80-year-old to go up against Trump or Desantis or Nikki Haley. You're a Republican. You have no one better than a 70-year-old. year old to go up against

I mean, but I can't say that about the Republicans, because they have the same. I mean, but Trump is a lot Trump's a lot more vibrant than Biden. Yes, that's true. And I mean, I know that. Without question. And a couple of other things. Clinice Woods 93, and he's

directing a movie. So I agree with you. Ageism isn't what we have here. What we have here is a diminishing man, Joe Biden. And if you don't know that, then you're not paying attention. Okay. So you, Stephen A. Smith, are willing to take what I've taken for the past 26 years because I'm a big mouth in politics and I put my stuff out there.

You're willing to take all of that? Are you sure you're willing to take all of that? Bill O'Reilly, I don't want to lose my job. I'll be the first to admit that or anything like that. But I've got to tell you something. I've been around for a long time and not as long as you, but I've been around. And the vitriol and the, you know, the vicious attacks and all, I could care less, man. I don't lose a bit of sleep over it.

It doesn't phase me in the slightest, not even a little bit. By the way, it's I couldn't care less, not I could. Because if you say, I could care less, that means you could care less. I couldn't care. I could not care less, Bill. I want you to be the best pundit you can be, all right, because I do follow your career. I'm a big sports guy. If you ever want to know anything about sports, Stephen, you call me, by the way.

You're sure about that? Anything you want to know, I know. Okay. I wouldn't debate you and call my man Chris Cuomo in politics. I watch y'all all the time. I wouldn't debate your politics. But sports, but sports, I think I take your bill. Those are good debates, right?

Cuomo O'Reilly, those are good debates. Yes, I like him a lot. I feel sorry for him. And I like you on Hannity. And I like you on Hannity, too, when you're calling the Hannity's radio show. And he's talking to you extensively. I do like this. Good, I'm glad you're following.

But one more tip, one more tip, don't ever say at the end of the day again because that puts you in the category of a backup catcher who's got nothing to say about anything, but you know he's going to say, at the end of the day, I'm a backup catcher. No, in the beginning of the day, you're a backup catcher. At lunchtime, you're a backup catcher. So that cliche, I think you should go on a one-man crusade against sports clichés. Wipe them out. Right. Maybe so. I'll consider it, but I got a news for you.

I don't consider myself a backup and anything. So just remember that. You would not be on this program if you were a backup. Okay. We go. There we go. So I can get away of saying at the end of the day. I can get away to say that at the end of the day.

When you're started, you can get away with that, occasionally, occasionally. It's like a spear tip when I hear that. And you tell your comrades the same thing. Knock it off. You guys are smart. Get out there and be original in your analysis. Stephen A. Smith, let me give you another plug on the book because I liked the book, and I hope everybody considers it for Father's Day.

The only problem with it is that Stephen A is on the cover of the book. All right? If he had put me on the cover. Oh, Lord. He would have sold a lot more copies. Straight shooter, a memoir of second chances than first states. All right, Stephen, go watch that basketball game. Denver's going to win this series.

You heard it here first. First, I think it's last. I picked Denver to win this series in six games long before. I came on the show. Thank you very much, Bill O'all. All right. You're a genius. There's no doubt about it.

Thanks for helping us out. All right. No problem, buddy. Take care. Thank you for listening. to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. To watch the full episodes of the NoSpin News, visit Bill O'Reilly.com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member. That's Bill O'Reilly.com. Sign up and start watching today.