Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - March 15, 2025

Episode Date: March 15, 2025

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Now, I can't think of the better way to start your academic career by going to Columbia. when the president just pulled $400 million out of there, I hope you had your contract signed before that, and they're deporting students, the Homeland Security. And there you are, you show up from Kansas, right in the middle of it. So can you straighten the place out or what? Impeccable timing, as always, Bill. First of all, it's great to be back with you.

It's interesting. I'm actually happy that I have this opportunity to go to Columbia. It's a place that has had all kinds of challenges. We've all seen them, violence, protests, any Semitism running rampant, a faculty that is left of left of center way too often. And I was invited there to come be a different voice and to share both my views as a political matter, but importantly, my observations as a practitioner

who had to actually deliver security for the United States. And so it'll be fun. It's a very challenging time for, the university, frankly, all of America's major universities, and I hope I can be a constructive part of getting them back to something that honors the traditions that these great places had. Now, no loony students have given you a hard time so far, right? No, my interaction so far have been great. Kids have been interested, and many of them didn't agree with me on much. Some of them agreed with me on some, and a handful were more simpatico, if you will, but nobody's

given a hard time. All right, good. Let us know if that happens. And I'll come out. I'll come out I was born in Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, so they have one of me on campus. All right, let's go to Ukraine. So my hypothesis, let me use that word, but it's not really a hypothesis, because I know President Trump, as you know, pretty well, and I do talk to him. So he doesn't want to alienate Putin. He wants to soften Putin up, so he gets him to a ceasefire discussion. And that's why you're not seeing call Putin names and do all that kind of stuff.

He also wants to tamp down Zelensky's arrogance, which we saw. Is this the wrong strategy on Ukraine? Well, Bill, what you're describing are the personal interactions, right? So that's a very personalized view of this. I think both of those are correct. There's no reason for the Commander-in-Chief of the United States to mock or call names for any leader. You remember with Chairman Kim, he'd say, we exchanged love letters. He talked about Xi Jinping in glowing terms from time to time.

That was the personal. Same with Zelensky in that sense. I think you're right. I think he was trying to make sure Zelensky understood without U.S. support, they were going nowhere. And I'm untroubled by either of those. The real proof is what's the policy? What's the outcome that President Trump's seeking? And from my vantage point, President Trump has.

has always been someone who understood winning. And in this case, can't be the case that Putin can be perceived of having won. Whatever the outcome, whatever the geography, whatever the disposition in the end, we can't, that kind of aggression can't be rewarded because it'll get you more of it. And if there was one thing I'm proud of

from our first four years, Bill, is we were pretty good at deterring the bad guys from doing exactly what they did to President Biden and invading Europe. We're pretty good at convincing folks like Hamas not to, invade Israel on our watch. President Trump's pretty good at deterrence and that's what he's going to try to get back. I'm counting on it. Okay, but you're going to have to get let Putin save a little face. He's not going to surrender because he doesn't care about how many people are dead or anything

like that. He's cares about himself. So you've got to give him an exit ramp off. I think Putin wants the ramp, but you're dealing with an evil man here. He's just flat out evil. Do you believe that there will be a ceasefire. See, I said once Trump was elected, I think that ceasefire is going to happen. Do you believe it? Yeah, there'll be a ceasefire, but the interesting question is really the one that you pose,

which is you have an evil dictator like Vladimir Putin, who has, to date, evidenced nothing that suggests he's actually looking for that off-ramp that you describe. Maybe he is, but he's been pretty good at masking any willingness to concede a single thing. In the end, Bill, how I think this ends up, call it face-save and call it what you will. I think he wants to be back in the global world.

His economy back connected to the global international system, there's the solution, is that you find a mechanism by which to permit Russian activity back in the economic system. We rebuilt Japan, right? There's a long history when these wars end, we allow these economies, the people of those countries, to engage in the world again. That's what I think Putin desperately needs for his own. political stability back home, but also that's the ticket to give him something to say, look, look what I got us back.

Yeah, and if you give them that ticket, you've got to have European peacekeepers in there. So you've got to give the Ukrainian some assurance. I mean, Trump was smart not to sign a document saying Putin breaks the ceasefire. United States is going to go in with troops. You can't do that. But you can negotiate a deal where the UN or the EU would put, and you call them rebuilding, you know, security to rebuild. And it'd be good if Putin kicked in a couple of billion, too, which you'll make easily by, you know, having the sanctions lifted on the oil stuff.

So you know Putin pretty well. A lot of people just think that he is some kind of crazy guy. I don't see him that way. I just think he's flat out evil. Not crazy. And I've been criticized for saying he's actually pretty shrewd. And while he screwed this up, he thought he'd get to Kiev. he thought he'd get victory on the ground,

a terrible strategic mistake, no doubt about it. He's not crazy. He is evil, and the rationality flows from that. I don't think there's any doubt that his intentions were even greater than that. In my judgment, he wasn't fearing NATO was going to attack him for goodness like, that's just nutty. He was trying to begin the revisit of something greater for Russia. Yeah, just like Georgia and Belarus. He was trying to duplicate that.

That's it. And he didn't get it. It didn't get it. So now you've got to get him a push out, but you can't hammer him between the eyes like the idiot Democrats are trying to do it. You say to them, well, if you do that, you'll never get a ceasefire, and they have no answer. Let's go to China. So China's slap tariffs on the USA today. That situation seems to be deteriorating.

Is it? I think it is. And I know some will want to blend. President Trump for that. I think this is all Xi Jinping, this challenge that's being faced by the entire world. And by the way, it's connected to Russia. We shouldn't forget for a second that the primary consumer of Russian energy today is the Chinese Communist Party getting discounted crude oil and gas out of Russia. China is a huge beneficiary of this war continuing in Ukraine, in Europe. But I think it's deteriorating because Xi Jinping now believes that he's got a place where he can

actually exert influence and shape things in a way that his predecessors didn't believe. The old, this is a rough translation from Mandarin, Bill, you'll have to forgive me. But the old motto was, hide your power and bide your time. And Xi Jinping's no longer hiding his power. He's showing it full force, and it's going to require a real American response. Well, when you say a response, everybody gets nervous. Is that going to be a military response? Can't do that, right?

Well, Xi Jinping's going to, we're not going to attack China. militarily. Right. But Xi Jinping is already running into ships in the Philippines, South China Sea. He's circling... Doing after the last five years, though. As long as he doesn't touch Taiwan, then the U.S. is going to allow some of that to happen. But I see it this way, and maybe I'm wrong.

I think that China's economy is really wobbling, just like Russia's, but China is more intense. And she, like Putin, probably at this point in history, would want a better economic situation. And he would be willing to deal for that. Am I wrong? I'm sorry? I'm doing to my family, because we're going to Burlington for the event of liquidation candidate. We're going to now right now to find the best of the best in articles of liquidation, from from,

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but I think she is willing to sacrifice an awful lot of economy to gain a global advantage to get closer to the political hegemony that he seeks. It's going to be really hard. I agree. They've got huge long run demographic problems. Their real estate industry is way worse than anybody even knows, over levered. So there are many, many challenges. But I think she has concluded that it's no longer time to supplicate to the United States on the economic front. And so he's going to push and push and push until the United States pushes back. And I think you see President Trump Well, he pushed back. 25% is a pushback. But if your opinion is correct, why didn't she move under Biden, who is extremely weak? Why did he live four years of Biden? And he didn't

really do anything that catastrophic. Yeah, I don't think, Bill, I don't think for a second he's going to invade Taiwan. The military invasion there, I think he believes, is unnecessary. His view is he's going to get Taiwan through propaganda politics, same way he took Hong Kong, right, force, choke them off, make their economy more difficult. And eventually the people will come to see they, hey, you know, why fight this? And so I think this is a longer march for him. And I think he made real progress on that in the Biden administration, in the Pacific Islands, in Africa. You saw what's gone on in Panama under President Biden, where the Chinese got a foothold on our doorstep. I think this is a determined strategic effort, not a Xi Jinping military takeover.

He knows he can't actually win that. The United States would, in the end, crush him. The press, the American press, portraying Donald Trump over the world as a villain. That hasn't stopped. And then they point to Trump denying Keev U.S. Intel. And then Trump saying to NATO, we're not going to do any military exercises. Let's take them one by one.

As you know better than anybody, the reportage on the intel is just flat-out ridiculous because British intelligence gets everything we have and they just give it to Kiev. So it doesn't matter what, and you know, the former CIA chief, doesn't matter what Trump said, well, we're not going to give anything.

The Brits have it all. And they'll give it to them. Am I wrong there? I think that reporting is highly hyped. I always joke, Bill, that if I watch the BBC, I wouldn't like America either. Right, right. But it's such a most people don't understand that. They don't understand how it works.

Okay, you do, because you were in there, and I do because I've been around for so long. The second military exercise thing, I didn't quite get why Trump did that. Do you know? No, I don't know. Look, we've been trying to help them with training for an awfully long time. When I was the CIA director, we were helping the Ukrainians. It was President Trump who provided the javelin missiles, right? People forget President Trump did that.

It was President Trump who put American energy in the front making Vladimir Putin's resources worth less. I don't know why he chose that particular. It might have to do with Putin and some phone calls. It might. By the way, I'm not privy to any of that. Right, I'm not either. But that's the only thing I can think of. All right.

Now, a lot of people, including myself, believe that you would have been an asset to this Trump administration. But you weren't invited. Do you know why? No, I don't know the particulars of why. But again, I give President lots of latitude to pick the team they want. He picked. No, I know that, but you did a good job. He picked entirely new team, Bill.

He even said you did a good job. He told me he did a good job. I worked hard, I'm sure. Yeah. I mean, I was surprised the man of your experience, and you know all of these players, I would have put you as defense secretary. I don't think Hegseth is the guy, I would have put you there, but you must have thought about it a little bit, Mr. Secretary, because it is a natural fit.

You succeeded with Trump the first time around. Did you guys have a falling out of some kind? Oh, no. Look, I don't know why he chose the people he did. He went through a lot of folks, Bill. I'll leave to him the personnel choices. I had said before, if he asked me to go serve, whatever role, whether it was in the Defense Department, wherever I'd happily go serve, and he just made a different decision. I think he's going to ask you. I do. I think he's going to pull you back. Next time I see him, I'm going to get to the bottom of that. Because that surprised me. Because you know how. You let me know, Bill. Of course. I'll let everybody know. You know, the president is unpredictable.

I think that's an accurate word, right? Yeah, that's fair. He goes by his gut. I agree with you that maybe he wanted a fresh look. I like Rubio because he's a good counterbalance to Trump. I think that's a fairly good play. I agree. No, I agree. I think Secretary Rubio is going to do a very fine job. Because when he picked Tillerson, the oil died, who you saved his bacon, remember that?

I went, what? I do vividly. What? That was a disaster. And then he brought you in, because you're the pro, and then you guys straightened it out. When Trump left office, when he was defeated in 20, the world was fairly stable then. I mean, it wasn't, as you pointed out earlier in. in this interview, there wasn't a lot of threats on the doorstep. Would that be accurate? We had things in a pretty good place. If you think about what fell apart relatively quickly, Europe fell apart. The advancements that were the Abraham Accords in the Middle East were dead stopped, even before the massacres of October 7th.

And then, you know, we had come close to delivering on President Trump's commitment to reducing our forces in Afghanistan to zero or near zero. And President Biden came in and pulled the plug, and we all know the calamity that followed there. Not only the 13 dead and many, many injured, but I think much of the chaos that ensued in the final two and a half years of the Biden administration was a direct result of that epic failure in Afghanistan. None of that happened for our four years. There's no doubt in my mind that that's true. All right, Mr. Secretary, I really appreciate your time and how busy you are trying to straighten Columbia University out. if you need me help i'm 20 miles away i'll be happy to come i mean it's going to be bigger than me

but i'll give it a go yeah i mean it'll be happy to see me and uh you know it's all of that and i hope you'll uh be available to us from time and time because i don't think there's anybody else knows the world better than you do i mean you got a pretty good handle on it and uh again we're very grateful it very grateful you're speaking with us today thank you thank you bless you bill have a good day see you soon you're listening to the no spino news weekend edition. All right, joining us now in Washington is a guy, very smart guy, Dr. Hal Brands.

He's got a new bookout. I have it. I'm perusing it. The Eurasian century, hot wars, coal wars, and the making of the modern worlds out of January. He is a distinguished professor of global affairs at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies.

It's a lot to get on a business card there, doctor, you know, a lot of all that stuff on one little card. So, but anyway, you know what you're talking about. What I'm interested in is the change and the danger rise. So we got with Russia and China allying to hurt the West over Ukraine, that's a pretty, I mean, everybody knows the situation, but that's very intense, right? Flying first class with Alaska Airlines isn't just about getting there.

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because it's Russia and China that are working together. China's been a major supporter of Russia's war in Ukraine. But it's also Iran and North Korea. Iran has provided a lot of the drones and North Korea has even provided some of the manpower that Putin has used in this brutal assault on Ukraine. And so it's a situation where you have four of the bad guys. of the bad guys working together at the heart of Eurasia to try to shape the wider world. But they're not trying to shape it in any good way, right? They're totalitarian.

That's right. I mean, these are all deeply autocratic, deeply undemocratic regimes. They all want to carve out big spheres of influence, which they would probably rule in a pretty brutal fashion. They want to bring about a world that is totally different than the one that Americans have known and have done so well in over the past. Yeah, well, there's no place for freedom or free enterprise at all. Reminds me the late 1930s when you had the Axis powers, Hitler, Mussolini, and some others joining together to try to impose fascism on the world. And then you had Japan, which was a fascist state as well in the Pacific. Is there any difference? I think there's some pretty strong parallels.

Back then, the problem was that you had a handful of separate, aggressive countries that were all sort of doing their own thing in their particular regions, but the combined effect of that was to destabilize the wider world. And of course, eventually the United States got dragged into the conflicts that resulted. Today, you have a similar phenomenon where Russia and China and Iran and North Korea, they all want their own things. They all have their own agendas, but they're all putting pressure on the international system that America and its friends built at the same time. And if anything, they're cooperating more closely than the Axis powers did in the late 30s and early 40s.

Yeah. Now, from your vantage point, is there anything that President Trump should be doing or should not be doing? If you were to have dinner with him tonight, would you have any suggestions for him? I think he's on the right track in terms of putting a lot of pressure on Iran. I think Iran is the weakest member of this autocratic axis, and it is the one that has been most softened up over the past year, mostly by Israel, for the imposition of this pressure. And so he's got a good chance to really squeeze the Iranians and maybe get a stronger nuclear deal than the U.S. got back in 2015 under the Obama administration. The thing I would tell him not to do is not to think that he's going to be successful in prying Russia and China apart.

You've sometimes heard this, not so much from Trump, but from people around him, that if the war in Ukrainians, maybe the United States can enlist Russia to help contain China, I just don't think that's how it works. Let me challenge you. Let me challenge you on that, okay? So we got Johns Hopkins, you. We got Harvard Me, all right? It's kind of like a little game show. If Trump makes the Ukraine deal, part of that deal has to be that Putin gets back in G7. He gets back into the Western economies where he can sell his oil.

That's primarily what he's got. China then, he doesn't need Putin doesn't need China as much as he needs it now. So what Trump is trying to do is lure him back into the European sector and then D.N. emphasized, because as you know, historically, the Russians and the Chinese hate each other. I don't know if that's gone away, but I don't think they're buddies. And China's power dwarfs Putin's power. Putin can't be happy about that. Putin needs money. He needs commerce. So that's what Trump is thinking. Where's he going wrong? I think the theory of the case is exactly as you described it. I think the challenge is sort

of twofold. One is how much do you have to give Putin to get it? him to put some daylight between him and China. And I worry that the answer might be quite a lot. And the second point is that, you know, Putin knows that if he cuts a deal with Trump, there's no guarantee that deal is going to last beyond January 20th, 2029. And so he will welcome, you know, reduce sanctions, greater economic engagement from with the West because I'm sure he's not entirely comfortable with the degree of dependencies developed on China, but he's not going to push China the side of the road because that's what I don't think he's going to push it but China can't do him too much good economically other than buying his oil but anyway that's Trump's mindset

and I think the deal is going to have to come down whereas Ukraine will lose 10% of its territory but there'll be you know bogus elections that's what they'll throw and then EU will provide peacekeepers USA will make the mineral deal and that puts a structure for the U.S. say inside Ukraine, and then Putin will be allowed back into the G7 and he'll go to all the meetings and all. That's what I think is going to happen. You got anything else that you think might pop in there? I would just say, I still think the critical element is whether there's going to be a U.S. backstop for the European security presence. That would be the mineral deal. I think that's part of it. Yeah. I would just say, I think that the, you know, the Europeans know,

that they're going to be in trouble if they get attacked by the Russians, if the U.S. isn't there to help. And so they don't need the U.S. they're holding their hand every day. They just need a promise that the U.S. will be there in extremists. If things really go. No, but they'll up there spending. They're not suicidal over there. They're greedy, the Europeans. And interestingly enough, you look at the ambassadorships, you ought to have your students do this, who Trump is appointed in all of the European capitals. these are hard these are tough guys um yeah so and i think the europeans have gotten the message on defense oh yeah that's great it's just it's just going to take them a few years to get to the

point where they're a little bit more self-delined now americans by and large don't understand much of this i'm not being super silliest word of the day uh but they just don't know they don't know what tariffs are just why i took the time to explain it they don't know the dynamic they just want to live their lives. They don't want to get involved with geopolitics. They don't understand the dynamic that is taking place and the huge changes in the world. This is a deficit for America that they don't understand, right? Yeah, I think it's also a testament to the success of what the U.S. has tried to do over the past 80 years. You know, we've been successful in preventing other global wars from breaking out, you know, great depressions from breaking out. And so it's become a little

bit easier to forget what all this is meant to achieve. You know, my grandfather, he flew, he was a navigator in B24s and B25s in Europe during World War II. And so nobody had to explain to him why American global engagement mattered. And I think we've lost a little bit of that over the years. Well, we have lost it. Now we're in a deep age of narcissism and apathy. But here's the kicker on this. You've got a lot of left-wingeres in the press screaming that Trump isn't pounding Putin as a fascist dog. If you look at Yalta, what Roosevelt did with Stalin? I mean, he kissed him up and down, in and out, every way.

And he had to know, because Churchill knew, the Stalin was going to break every treaty in the world, which he did, and come right across and try to dominate Europe, which he did. But Roosevelt said, look, I got to stop this World War. I got to stop it. It very, very akin to what Trump is doing. Last word. I think there are definitely some parallels.

I think Trump thinks we just need to get sort of the moralizing out of U.S. foreign policy and focus on hard power realities. There's something to be said for that. But I would just also point out that one of the great things about America is that we do stand up for principle in the world. And so I just hope we won't correct too far on. Trump doesn't see it that way. He's not one of those guys. He's a businessman, cold-blooded businessman.

So you're right, the theory about, you know, here comes America to liberate everybody, not this president. He's looking out for Americans, and he wants peace. He doesn't want war. He's not a warmonger at all, okay? But he's not looking at it like we have a responsibility to the rest of the world to keep them safe. Would you say that was accurate? I think that's a very accurate description of how Trump sees the war. All right, Professor. We really appreciate it coming on day. Thank you very much.

This is the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. So now there is allegations. There are allegations that Biden didn't know what he was signing when he made executive orders. And autopen. Now, it's insane because you see Trump every day signing executive orders holding them up. Biden couldn't do that. And autopen had to do it. but very strange worth investigating now throughout history beginning with harry Truman auto pens were used by presidents but not on executive orders and laws and things like that however Edith Wilson signed her husband's name Woodrow Wilson to all bunch of very important documents because Woodrow had a stroke couldn't do

anything and nobody knew about it. Confronting the presidents. If you haven't read it, shame on you. So either of who's actually running the government. But now we have Autopen running the government, maybe. So an outfit that's looking at this very hard is the Heritage Foundation, based in D.C. and its chief counsel of the Oversight Project, Kyle Brosnan, joins us now from Washington. So how bad do you think this is? It's pretty bad, Bill. So zooming out a little bit, the Constitution vests powers of signing bills into law, issuing

pardons, thing like that in one person and one person only, the President of the United States. And for things like pardons and bill signings, his physical signature is what authorizes or completes that process. And we have found evidence that President Biden did not hand sign multiple pardons and acts of clemency throughout his presidency, including the pardons of the January 6 committee members, Dr. Anthony Fauci, General Millie, and the pardon for the commutation for everyone on federal death row in the waiting days of his administration. And so it leads to a question, if you combine that with the practical issues of Biden was clearly asked. of it. His mental faculties were diminishing throughout his presidency. It begs the question of who was running the country, who had authorization to sign these pardons, who had access to the auto pen. And so we are uncovering multiple exercises of the pardon power, which only belongs to the President of the United States, that he did not hand sign those documents.

An argument might be made that he knew about the documents and was just too lazy to sign them. I just mailchimp my marketing. You mailedchimped your what? I mailedchimped my marketing with AI to create an effective marketing campaign in minutes. No, MailChimp and way. Yes, MailChimp in way. Now I can hyper-personalize my campaigns across email and SMS. You can do all that with MailChimp.

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We saw the disastrous debate performance where he paused for over a minute. We saw gaff after gaff on the media and speaking in public. public. We saw special counsel Robert Hur refused to prosecute him in part because he is an elderly man with the poor memory. And so if he is too senile to see his day in court for mishandling classified documents, then there are serious questions as to his mental ability to execute his offices of the presidency. All right. So what if it comes to light that Biden didn't know about what he was signing or what the auto pen was signing and he had no interest in it and they just went out. There's no mechanism to reverse those orders, is there?

Well, that's an open question. We're studying that here at the Oversight Project now, where we're engaging with legal scholars and continuing our research on that. But it's unprecedented here. Generally speaking, President Bush, for example, would have bills flown happily around the world for him to sign here. But use of the auto pen to this scale, to exercise a power that solely belongs to the president and cannot be legally delegated to anyone is unprecedented. So I think the next step is that can, oh, it's terrifying. Yeah, and there's no doubt about it, and I've said this from the very beginning.

He was not in charge. Let's look at the men who were in charge, and you give me a rundown of them. First one is Ron Clayne, White House Chief of Staff from 21 to 23. Clayne had an enormous amount of influence in that White House, correct? Yes. What's your assessment of him? So, I mean, you see the reports that President Biden kept in notoriously close circle. You know, he had a number of conigliars throughout, you know, his political, his very long political career.

One other person that may have had access to it is Neurotanden. She served as what is what is called the Staff Secretary, which is basically the nucleus of the White House. any piece of paper that goes in front of the president, the staff secretary sees and sort of keeps the train running on time. And she served as staff secretary for, I believe, two years during the Biden presidency, including times where we noticed that clemency warrants and pardons appeared to have been auto-pent. I don't think there's any doubt that she saw everything that went through the system. What I'm trying to get at, though, is Claim, was his governing style different than Biden's? Was he far left?

Was he a moderate Democrat? What was he? Well, I think you saw a leftward turn during the Biden administration from, you know, ranging from their cabinet appointees to DEI policies, energy policies, you name it. You know, I think President Biden ran in 2020 as a moderating and uniting candidate, and then when he got into office, he veered the country sharply in the leftward direction. The open border was stunning. Open border, executive order was absolutely stunning.

second guy is mike donnellan um senior advisor to biden from 21 to 24 uh you know anything about him personally no other than public reports that he is a very you know close advisor to him he's part of the biden inner circle um you know depending on what his position was in the white house he may he may have had access to the auto pet um we were going to assume that there was some sort of policy governing this and the individuals that had access pursuant to that policy are people that were likely need to be spoken to by investigators. Yeah, all right, because you've got to run this down and see what the point of view of these people were.

Now, Susan Rice is the next one, our National Security Advisor 13 to 17, under Barack Obama. She was in the White House all the time. She's a committed leftist, no doubt about that. And if there was a link to Barack Obama, she would be it because they're close friends, correct? That's right. She was a prominent force in the Obama White House. And in the Biden White House, she served as domestic policy advisor. And she played a big role in another investigation that we uncovered about the Biden administration's attempt to federalize elections and mobilize the weight of the federal government to support Democratic candidates.

Yeah, that, if I'm you, I'm looking at Susan Rice real hard. This guy is Jeff Zeyance, White F. Chiefs of Staff, 23 to 25. I don't know anything about him. Do you know anything about him? Well, he was Biden's original COVID-Zar when he first came into office. And we saw all the efforts from the Biden White House to censor any dissent about COVID and then was elevated to the chief of staff by the end here. as chief of staff, he's side by side with the president all the time, oftentimes access

his proxy and meetings and things like that. He has the potential to be a big player here as well. He would have been chief of staff when those, you know, auto-penned pardons in the waiting days the administration for the January 6th committee, General Millie, Dr. Fauci, and Biden family members were issued. Yeah, those four individuals, I think we're running a country. But, you know, you really have to get in and bore down on what their agenda was, who they really are, and it's complicated. The final thing is, will the Heritage Foundation file a lawsuit here? What's the endgame for you guys?

So we have submitted a follow-up Freedom of Information Act request to gather more information. We have the potential to sue for those FOIA requests if they're not answered and they don't follow the law. But we are in court on a number of cases concerning President Biden's mental acuity. And the most significant one on that is for the audio tape of Special Counsel Herr's interview with President Biden. And in that interview, in that interview, President Biden forgot key details of his life, like when his son passed away, when he was vice president and other important details. And that interview is formed the basis for Special Counsel Her to determine that he was not going to try and prosecute President Biden. because he's an elderly man with a poor member.

You think you're going to get that? Who knows? You know, the President Biden has served an executive privilege over those documents. The case has been pending and fully briefed since August, and the judge is asking for whether the new administration has a new policy here. But, you know, when the president has served executive privilege, it's rare and it's a big deal. And so we're still continuing to. Right, right.

So then. All right, Kyle. Well, let us know, keep his posting on what you find out. I'm going to predict it's going to be a huge scandal about Joe Biden not being in charge for four years. That is unprecedented in this country. We appreciate time very much today. Thank you for listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. To watch the full episodes of the No Spin News, visit Bill O'Reilly.com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member. That's Bill O'Reilly.com. up and start watching today.