Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - March 29, 2025

Episode Date: March 29, 2025

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What we choose to challenge, we challenge completely. We are professional grade. Visit GMC.com to learn more. Welcome to the No Spin News Weekend Edition. Finally, the big Democrat, the one who could resurge the party, is Michelle Obama, far in away the most popular Democrat in the country. And here's what she said last week. Go. When people ask me, would I ever run? The answer is no. You know, I mean, you, you, then if you ask me, if you ask me, that then you have absolutely no idea the sacrifice that your kids make when your parents are in that role.

Not only am I not interested in politics in that way, but the thought of like putting my girls back into that, you know, that spotlight when they are just now establishing themselves. It's like, you know, okay, I think we've done enough. Question asked and answered. never going to happen? I hold her as a word. I think it's never going to happen because if it were going to happen, it would have happened to Ray.

So that's very interesting, and that's the memo. Joining us now is a guy who's going to give me a different point of view, which is what we want here. His name is Dr. Seth Wright. He is an assistant teaching professor of political silence at Penn State University, Harrisburg. Am I making any mistakes here, Doctor? Well, you mentioned that the one who might, the one who might revitalize the Democrat Party is Michelle Obama. I would disagree. I am watching

the governor of the Commonwealth, Governor Shapiro, and he's been going public. He's governed over divided government in the past, has very broad support here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, And he might be the one to step up to the plate and revitalize the Democrat Party on a national level. He would have to do, he has to start tomorrow. Tomorrow, he's when he'd have to start because nobody knows him. And it takes a very, very long time for a politician

to get known in the United States because of the intrusion of the cell phones. It's not like it used to be. We live in a Balkanized media world, It's very hard for people to lock in. And you're correct. I like Governor Shapiro in a sense that I think he's an honest man. But for the American people to come to know him, extremely difficult ride.

He's going to have to raise a billion dollars, and I don't know if he can do that. That's the real story here, right, beyond the polling numbers. Simply put, Democrats for large, have a serious identity. storytelling problem. Folks who are being surveyed about the likeability or favorability of the Democrats, they're not just mad about nothing. They may be mad because they feel Democrats aren't addressing what matters to them, whether that's immigration, prices that are too high peace in Ukraine or Gaza, global conflict, or just the sense that the world is spinning dangerously off access,

The idea that birds of a feather should vote together, the vote blue, no matter who, messaging, this no longer resonates. So this trend we're seeing isn't disapproval, it's disengagement. Well, I disagree with you now. I think it's disapproval of Biden and Harris, Biden's administration and Harris's campaign. I think most Americans, so my belief, and maybe I'm wrong about this, but I don't think so. Most Americans are not ideological. They're not. earn a living and have a happy life and be responsible and raise their families.

And you're right, they don't want all this turbulence all over the place. But they're not wedded to a party, the fastest growing party, is the independent registration, as you know. So, but they see performance. And Biden was so horrible. And Kamala was such a poor candidate that that's what drove or is driving the Democratic numbers down. one of the key functions of a political party is to develop new candidates and this is one area where the democrat party totally fumbled the bag back to some of the recent polling 27 percent of respondents in recent polls hold a favorable view of democrats The challenge with any kind of poll analysis is finding the Mojuiced, the right words to understand voter sentiment.

Democrats are Brussels sprouts popular right now. 27%. That's a low opinion figure, usually reserved for people who wear socks with sandals. That's how unpopular they are right now. But developing new candidates. But that's based on performance, not perception. You see what I mean? You're unpopular if you're playing for Penn State and you fumble a football four times in the first half. You're unpopular. That's what happened to the Democratic Party. Their policies was so terrible. And as I pointed out earlier, you didn't hear Bernie Sanders or Casillo-Torquez go, yeah, we shouldn't have an open border. Everybody got behind Biden. And then when they found out that he was, you know, out in the ozone layer, they bailed on it.

But I think performance is driving it down. Last word. What I don't know is whether anyone inside of the Democrat Party machine still has a wrench in hand or if the engine's just running on group think fumes. Because when a system is really humming along without resistance, without any kind of challenge or someone, you know, yelling from under the hood that the timing's off or the belt slipping, It doesn't matter how polished the dashboard looks. They're going to miss what matters.

You forget why the engine was built in the first place. Consensus is dangerous when there's a dearth of deliberation. So what I don't know is who in the Democrat Party is going to go ten toes down, is paying attention, and is ready to stand on business. Yeah, I don't know either. I think Shapiro, as you pointed out, is doing a good job in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. But he doesn't have the power. Now he doesn't have the money. He does another profile.

So I'm not sure whether he's going to be the guy. Hey, Doctor, thanks very much. We appreciate your point of view. Thanks for coming on. You're listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. The latest border stats, about 30,000. Undocumented migrants have been deported since Donald Trump took over a little more than two months ago. Illegal crossings from Mexico.

go into the USA down 94%. A colossal victory for Donald Trump. No doubt about it. And the people who oppose him are trying to chip away at that. There's no doubt about that either. So enter the ICE chief, Tom Holman. He is in charge of deportations. I spoke with him yesterday. So Mr. Holman, I've noticed when you appear on the network news and some cables that the questioning is often hostile to you. It's not neutral questioning. It's like, hey, what are you doing? How many people did you throw out today?

And I'm sure you noticed that too. And I'm saying to myself, why? Do you have any idea why that so many, so many of the American press corps are antagonistic to you. Did you know that at Chevron, you can fuel up on unbeatable mileage and savings? With Chevron rewards, you'll get 25 cents off per gallon on your next five visits. All you have to do is download the Chevron app and join to start saving on fuel. Then you can keep fueling up on other things like adventure, memories, vacations,

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We had over 409,000 removals, and they weren't hostile then. So I think working for President Trump makes me hostile anybody that serves President Trump. But look, I'm proud to work for President Trump. I think he's the greatest president in my lifetime. And especially when it comes to border security and immigration enforcement, and national security. So they don't bother me. Look, if I can deliver their heads rent-free, I'm okay with that because I'm going to keep telling the truth, whether they like it or not. My talking points never change. I don't care if I'm talking to a conservative or talking to a liberal.

They're going to hear the same thing because what I give them is facts. They can like her or not like it, but they're going to hear the truth. Okay, but they don't like it. Now, when you were working for President Obama, who deported more undocumented people than any other president in history, all right and most of those were at the border that got kicked back fast and they didn't have this asylum con that they rose up under president Biden when you were working for Barack Obama in my research on him from my book confronting the president's he he didn't want an open border he didn't want chaotic immigration am I correct there well his first term like I said we removed a lot of people in the first term, and largely because we're counting board

patrol removals with ice removals, and that's how come the number got so big, but he was pushing for that. He was pushing for more removals. But under the second term, the Obama term, we pretty much got shut down. I mean, once he got the name deporter in chief, operations really slowed down. And that's one of the reason at the end of that administration that I decided to retire because after four years doing that, I was tired of it. But in the beginning, he was about securing the border. In the last four years, he was not. And you think it was political pressure, obviously, from the left that caused that. Absolutely. Okay. Now, one of the beefs against Homeland Security is they are not,

they are deporting non-criminal migrants along with the criminals. And I believe that's true to some extent because how could you possibly know when you go sweep a whole bunch of people, say you're a criminal migrate, married to a person who isn't a criminal, stuff like that? How valid is that criticism that ICE is now deporting people quickly without due process that aren't criminals? Well, they all get due process. I mean, the non-criminals, where does most of non-criminals get arrested? Sanctuary cities. And I've said this for two months. Sanctuary City is going to get exactly what they don't want. More agents in their communities and more collateral arrests.

Because if we can't arrest a bad guy in the county jail, one agent, one criminal alien, and they're going to release them. Like the major cities, this country, Sanctuary Cities. You're going to release them back in the community? Okay, fine. We're still going to do our job, which means we're going to go to the community, and we're going to find him. And when we find them, most likely they're with others.

Others that are illegally in the United States, but not a criminal. Well, we're not going to tell ICE agents, forget the oath we took, ignore the immigration law, walk away from these people. No, they're going to come too. So when you look at the collateral as a non-criminals, most of them are arrested in sanctuary cities because they forced us in that position. We're going to arrest them.

That's an important point. So when you do a sweep, if you find a non-criminal migrant, that person gets taken into custody, correct? To be clear, when we do a target enforcement operation, we know exactly who we're looking for, and we're most likely we're going to find them. And when we go to that location, look for that target, that criminal target, many times, most times he's with others, especially if you're at a work site, they're coming to. They're coming to.

So sanctuary cities are forcing us into that situation. So if you've said this many times, let us in the jail. That means less agents in the neighborhood. That means less collaterals, but they refuse to assist ICE. So we're going to keep doing what we're doing. Just to be clear, when you do an enforcement sweep, it is based upon information provided about. criminal aliens. Is that correct? Local, state, federal information, right? That's the sweet. Exactly right. Okay, stop. Stop. I want to call the suite, Bill. I call it a target

enforcement operation. We have a target. We've got a sheet. Who's the alien's name? What's his immigration record? What's his criminal record? We're most likely when we find them and it has to be approved by supervisors. We go on the street looking for somebody. We have a whole region of operation sheet that details who this person is and we're looking for. And where do you get that information from the states, from the locals? Where does that come from? Do various databases that we use at ICE. I can't tell you all of them for the law enforcement sensitive, but we do targeting based on criminal databases. We use all sorts of social media. We use a lot of things I don't want to discuss here, but we create those target bases.

So you get this stuff, and if there's an undocumented alien who is not a criminal, they get swept up, they get deported sometimes, and it depends on the process. Am I correct? Yes. All right. Now, Michelle, Wu in Boston is heading for collision with Tom Holman, who was speaking to me right now. Again this weekend, she basically said, we're not going to cooperate on any level. We want undocumented people in the city of Boston. And she's backed up by the governor of Massachusetts, Maura Healy. Do you have any plans to take action against Mayor Wu and Governor Healy?

Actually, you're the first show where I can make this announcement. So as I promised at Seaback, I was going to go to Boston. I'm going to bring hell with me. And we did. I was in Boston last Tuesday. I started an operation with ICE, HSI, ERO, FBI, ATF, D.F, D.A, U.S. Marshals, and in the State Department. And in five-day operation, we arrested 370 illegal aliens in Boston and the surrounding communities in Massachusetts. And 205 of those were significant public safety threats, including four murderers, child rapists, armed robbers, a couple of Interpol, Red Notice Arrest.

We arrested a lot of bad people in the last five days in Massachusetts, many of them in Boston. We just put the numbers again today. You're the first show I've actually been able to talk about this. The numbers just got put out today, Bill. Excellent. But Ms. Wu is defiant even in the face of those. incredible stats. And they are incredible if you know the city of Boston. It's not New York City. It's not nearly that large. So I'm wondering whether the next step for the Justice Department,

it wouldn't be, it would be the Attorney General Bondi, is going to go after people like Michelle Wu for violating some tenant of federal law. You believe that will happen. I hope it will happen. I know Pam Bonnie's already put Sancturacies on notice. I know she's already sued a couple. I sent that report to Pam Bond this morning, and who we arrested in Boston in the surrounding area and the public safety threat that we had to take off the street. Because if we got to go to the street and rest people like this, the job of ICE is already dangerous, but to go arrest an aggravated felon murder public safety threat in the general public, not only puts the officer at risk, it puts the community at risk. So I sent the numbers

this morning to DOJ, so I think Pam Bonney would take action and do what she can do, but she's already started soon in Sanctuary City. So, you know, God bless Pam Bonnie. I think she's going to do the right thing, and I think she's going to try to hold these Sanctuary Cities accountable in courts. All right, so it'll be civil litigation, not criminal litigation, correct? I'll leave that out to Pam Bondi. We'll see what happens. But it would be amazing to see, you know, a big city mayor or a state governor like Pritzker in Illinois or even, you know, here, Hockel in New York, she plays a double game. The damage that the Biden administration did to the country.

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With no added sugar and just 10 or less calories per can, enjoy. With Love from Italy. By San Pellegrino Chow Now. Seems to me to be incalculable as far as the Treasury is concerned, crime is concerned, social upheaval is concerned. Do you have any idea why Joe Biden opened that border for three and a half years? half years. Do you have any idea why that man did that? No, I can only guess, and I've said many times. I worked for six presidents starting around Reagan. Even when Clinton Obama took steps, as we discussed, to try to take action

and secure the border. No one did more than President Trump. He was unprecedented in his success where he had the most secure border in my lifetime. But Joe Biden's the first president in my lifetime who came in office and unsecured the border on purpose. That wasn't mismanagement. It wasn't incompetence. He knew exactly what he was doing, along with But there must be chat, though. There must be chat in Homeland Security and the Border Patrol precincts about the why of all this. What did he think he was accomplishing? I think they saw future political benefit and let millions of people into this country. Remember, when he did everything to secure the border, what else did he do? He overturned to Trump's census row, which means millions of

people released in sanctuary cities who recount the next census, which will lead to more seats in house for the dams. I think they saw a future political benefit. by releasing millions of people in sanctuary cities in this country. That is my belief. Final question. California is 50% of the undocumented migrants. Newsom is now backpedaling, as you know. But L.A. and San Francisco are still sanctuary cities.

Do you expect anything to change in California? I can tell you, ICE is going to, we'll be going to L.A. and San Francisco very soon. In sanctuary cities, we can't arrest the back. bad guy in jail. We'll double the man force in those cities. But we're going to do our job, sanctuary not. If you're a sanctuary where you want to step aside and watch us and protect your communities, then have that. Just don't get in the way. Don't cross that line of ignoring the harbor and concealing illegal amy. Don't cross that line of impeding us or there will be consequences. But we're coming. We're going to do this job. President Trump promised

American people we're going to do this. American people giving a mandate. This is the number an issue, we're going to keep President Trump's promise. We're going to every sanctuary city and arresting public safety threats because that's what the American people want. All right, unless the court, Supreme Court, says you can't do a certain thing. You're not going

to defy the federal court order, correct? No, we're not going to do that. We're not the Biden administration who ignored the courts on forgiveness of a student loan. They told me he couldn't do it. He did it, and he fought him every step of the way on that. No, this is a law and order administration. We're going to the right thing absolutely all right mr homer you're welcome anytime thank you for taking the time

to talk with me today thank you sir i appreciate you all i want to thank mr homin again for being kind enough to come in here we know everybody is after him for an interview now i'd like you to tell me what to thought of that interview bill at bill o'reilly dot com name in town if you wish to opine bill at bill o'reilly dot com good bad too hard too soft did i leave anything out Now, you know, give me your review. I like those reviews. This is the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. Now, here's a media scandal, kind of.

Wall Street Journal gets delivered to my door every day. The editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal are fair and backed with facts. The news pages tilt left, but not crazy. It's primarily a financial newspaper. There is a reporter, Melissa Korn. She is a Deputy Bureau Chief of the Media Team. Wow, got a big title. She's trying to stick up for Jeffrey Goldberg.

Trying to say this man is credibility. As I reported yesterday, he was the guy who reported that President Trump, in his first term, went to Europe and said that U.S. soldiers killed in World War I were suckers. That never happened. And I investigated it. Okay?

Never happened. But Melissa somehow writes, quote, in September 2020, Goldberg reported that Trump referred to soldiers killed in battle during World War I as losers and suckers, citing multiple anonymous sources. So they heard the remarks. Trump contested the reporting,

though his chief of staff at the time confirmed he had used those words. Not true. Not true. The chief of staff was John Kelly. Now, Kelly excoriated Trump because Trump fired him and called Trump all kinds of names, but never said that we can find, and we did a big search that Trump said dead World War I soldiers were losers and suckers. And a guy in the room who also hates Donald Trump, you know him, Former National Security Advisor John Bolton said this, go. And according to what that article said, the president made disparaging remarks about our soldiers

that people buried at the Anmarne Cemetery in connection with the decision for him not to go to the ceremony that was planned that afternoon. And that was simply false. I don't know who told the author that, but that was false. Okay, that was false. And Bolton was there. following Trump around, the whole day.

And then I talked to myself, the other people who were there, nobody, heard that, even anonymously. So we have misreporting terrible journalism on the part of the Wall Street Journal. I'm surprised, I'm disappointed. Let's get another view with this. Joining us now from Syracuse, New York is Roy Gutterman. He teaches communications at Syracuse University, but more importantly, he's a director of the Tully Center for Free Speech, which is very prestigious. Am I making any mistakes here, Mr. Gutterman? I didn't say you're making mistakes, but this discussion, and even if there's false information or erroneous information, that's part of the role of the press, and it's part of the role of an adversarial press to root out what the truth is and what people.

said, regardless of who the speaker is. But what are you referring to now? Who are you referring to now? Melissa Korn? Korn, Bolton. Okay, but Korn is using anonymous sources and saying that Jeffrey Goldberg's reportage for Atlantic was true, and it wasn't. There is no evidence whatsoever, none from John Kelly or anybody else, that Trump said,

Dead Americans are in World War I were losers and suckers. None. And if it's proving to be an untrue statement, I think we're finding that out. We're finding it out because of me. No one else. And part of the media. That's right. And Corn puts this in the paper yesterday, trying to bolster Goldberg's profile when Goldberg, in my opinion, is a far-left weasel.

That's my opinion. And as an analyst, I'm entitled to it, as you know. But let's look at the bigger picture here. I told Clay and Buck on the radio today that if I had been Jeffrey Goldberg and I had been inadvertently admitted to this National Security Conference, I would have listened to it. As a reporter, I would have taken down the information. Do you think I'm wrong? No. I mean, what you do with that information is a different story, but reporters, regardless of whether the reporters get things and get access to things that they shouldn't get all the time.

I would go back to the Pentagon Papers. The New York Times and the Washington Post shouldn't have had those documents, but they did. And look what it did for the discussion around the Vietnam War. Reporters get leaked information all the time, and sometimes they don't use everything, and sometimes it becomes a big story. sometimes it even becomes a controversial story, as we're seeing this play out right now. And to be fair to Goldberg, this story happened on March 15th, and he didn't break it until after the Hootie attacked by the United States. So that's in his column as a positive. But what he's done in the past is simply outrageous.

This man hates Donald Trump and uses anonymous sources to hurt him. And that's why I objected to Ms. Corn's reportage. but you're correct in the sense that if you're a reporter, you have to get the information, then you decide what to do with it. And I wouldn't put it out because obviously U.S. military is involved. Now, this kind of a situation, do you see it as a scandal? The Red Hot Clarence event is on right now at Burlington, and I'm excited for the markdowns. It's all about savings on top of savings throughout the store. This is when I stock up on styles from my closet, home decor, and much more.

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Oxyclean Maxforce. It's not clean unless it's oxyclean. It's still unfolding right in front of us. So we don't know who made a mistake, what the mistake was. All we know is a reporter got access to a classified meeting that he shouldn't have had access to. Don't you think the FBI should be interviewing a reporter and find out what the deuce is going on? I'm never a fan of law enforcement coming after reporters. How can you project national security then?

If there was a glitch in the national security system that allowed this guy to get on a ban, don't you think the FBI should know about it? I think the FBI has the resources to find out exactly what happened without going to the reporter. I think the reporter is the last person who knows what happened. Why would you object to that? If I were a reporter, I'd answer all the questions, honestly. I wouldn't be offended. I'd expect the FBI to show up.

Well, I think once law enforcement starts tapping into reporters or subpoenaing reporters or opening investigations into reporters, I think that can jeopardize the news gathering process, and that goes across the board, whether you're Jeffrey Goldberg at the Atlantic or a reporter at the Wall Street Journal or somebody at Fox. I think invading the news gathering process through law enforcement techniques jeopardizes the process for everybody. I put national security above the process of accumulating facts and information, particularly... I agree with you on that. Yeah, particularly when terrorism is involved. I mean, that's what I do. Okay. All right. I got it. There are other means? No, I don't know if there are other means. I mean, and I wouldn't put it as an investigation. I would just say, you know, we want to find out what happens. So we're going to talk to this guy. He's not under any threat of indictment at all or whatever you wanted to do. But Cash Patel should be doing something, in my opinion. Are you happy with the state of the media in America right now?

I mean, I'd like to see more media to tell you the truth. I think it's extremely discreetly. to see independent media, particularly local media across the country, get consolidated and go out of business or cut their news hole. I think we're in a real crisis now with news deserts around the country. And I think readers, citizens, and the democracy itself can be imperiled without good independent means. mainstream media. And again, this is local, it's national. It's everywhere. I don't see any independent media in the corporations that are running the shows now on television and radio. I don't see any independents at all. Do you? No. Local media,

particularly television's been bought up and consolidated. And they do what they told. These people do what they talk. You do what the boss tells you. Yeah, because they want to make money. It's all about money, not about information flow. It concerns me greatly also. And this goes right to Syracuse University and the younger people who are interested in journalism and communications. There's no editors on the internet. People say whatever they want.

And people believe it. And I think that's a threat, but there's no way to control it under the First Amendment, correct? The First Amendment gives us a lot of protection. even protection to be wrong, even protection to be hateful. And that's part of the First Amendment. That's part of the marketplace of ideas that it gives us. But when you have no editor, no structure, because I came up, this is 50 years for me in journalism. I got out of Boston University 50 years ago, January.

And I've been working steadily ever since. I'm the last of a breed. I am the last one standing. And I came up in a structure. And there were standards and stuff like that. Now, there's no standards on the Internet. So my question to you is, do the younger people that you see every day, do they have the background historically, an information frame of reference,

to know what's true and what isn't true? Yes and no. I mean, today's college student is well-in-blown. with the information that they want to gather. They do ask questions, but every generation says a generation behind them doesn't know what they're talking about. So there's that sort of generational bias,

but I think contemporary students nowadays are discriminating and do ask the questions. From a professional journalistic standpoint, they understand the infrastructure of a news operation. Unfortunately, the infrastructure to the news operation isn't the same that it was, even when I was in the business. I got started as a newspaper reporter more than a few decades ago. And I remember every story I wrote passed through several editors. And every editor had their own question.

And I feel that question at 9 or 10 at night. And hit, and I'm a little bit worried about the collapse of the public school system, doesn't teach civics and history. anymore so that the J students, you know, when you say, hey, you know, Trump is appeasing Putin. Everybody goes, yeah, that right, right. Well, FDR did the same thing at Yalta. And they go, what? Where's Yalta? Yeah.

What? That is worrisome. Professor, we really appreciate your time today. Thank you very much for helping us out. Thank you for listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. To watch the full episodes of the No Spin News, visit Bill O'Reilly.com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member. That's Bill O'Reilly.com. Sign up and start watching today.