Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - November 28, 2025

Episode Date: November 28, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. I stay out of the social media world. It frightens me. I don't really have time, but there are now thousands of podcasts and people who are bloviated. Some of it's worthy and some of it isn't. But do I want to spend the time sorting it all out? I don't really have the time. I got to cover the news every day. That means I have to verify stories.
Starting point is 00:00:37 I have to advance stories. I have to find out what's true. I have to find out what isn't true. It takes a lot of time to do that. I can't be sitting on a podcast for an hour and a half. But I know that millions of Americans love the social media podcast, commentary analysis, conspiracy, world. They love it. You ain't got enough of it. I'm going to run down a few people that you
Starting point is 00:01:05 probably know. And we're not doing this with any kind of malice. Okay, we don't do that here. More of a fact-based situation. And I'll be very curious to know what you think of our analysis. So first one is Candice Owens, 36 years old, born in White Plains, New York, grew up in Stanford, Connecticut, nice town, went to the University of Rhode Island, but did not graduate. She is being sued by Macron, the president of France, and his wife, because she said Bridget McCrone is really a man. Roll of the tape. And 1,000% she was born a man, lived as a man for 30 years, you know, and then transitioned at some time in the 80s. But are you worried about getting in trouble for slander by saying that?
Starting point is 00:02:08 I have welcomed the lawsuit. I mean, Emmanuel Macron sent me a threat before we published and we went back. So Brigitte, you're saying, is a male? Mm-hmm. Biological. Was a male or is a male? Well, you can't really change those things in my world, but lives as a woman, clearly. Okay. So I heard that story.
Starting point is 00:02:27 I knew she was going to get sued, and she has. So the McCrowns have filed against her in the state of Delaware. I think they did that because Candice Owens probably has a corporation registered in Delaware. That's what a lot of people do, but I'm not sure about that. But the case is active. It's a civil lawsuit. Okay. And it'll play out.
Starting point is 00:02:50 It takes years, and it's expensive because there's always a lot of hire an attorney, I would assume. But now she says, says that the McCrowns are plotting to kill her. That's not good. And that the guy accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk trained with the French Legion 13th Brigade. Are you the French Foreign Legion guy guy? or I don't know.
Starting point is 00:03:28 Now, I've never met, as I said, Ms. Owens. I have no feeling personally in one way or the other. I don't believe that Brigette Macron is a man. I think that's going to be fairly easy to prove that she's a woman. And I don't believe that Charlie Kirk was being stalked by French Legion but that's me okay under the First Amendment again as long as to say what you wants nobody can shut her down but the individual companies that carry her commentary they can but she can be sued and she is all right that's number
Starting point is 00:04:18 one I'm kind of agnostic I mean I don't I don't really know what her her end game is. I don't think that she has a lot of influence over people's lives, but I could be wrong. Again, I'm not in that world. Next guy is Nick Fuentes. He's 27 years old. Chicago suburb raised.
Starting point is 00:04:49 He's been accused of being a white supremacist. He says he's not. and he made a lot of news or got a lot of attention by saying the Holocaust is exaggerated, rule of tape. There's Holocaust museums everywhere. They're popping up all the time. And the Holocaust is, by law, required to be a part of the curriculum. And they go into like a fourth grade classroom,
Starting point is 00:05:19 and they show eight-year-olds, nine-year-olds, obscene graphic pictures of like emaciated corpses and all this stuff in the last 40 years there have been hundreds of films made about the holocaust in hollywood what is the intended effect of all of this i think it's meant to engender in people a profound sympathy for jews and it's supposed to say you know if we criticize jews it could lead to a holocaust okay so That's kind of irresponsible. It all causes a historical fact. Six million Jews were targeted and murdered in grisly ways.
Starting point is 00:06:02 It should be taught to every school because it can't happen again. It doesn't matter whether it's Jews or Irish or Lebanese. It doesn't matter. We can't have governments wiping out individual races. So, number one, Mr. Fuentes, doesn't really understand history. And that's why I never really took him seriously in any way. Because you can make up your own history, right?
Starting point is 00:06:32 You can deny anything you want. He looks like he has an animist toward Jews. Maybe he doesn't. I never met him. Young guy. I wouldn't put him on my program because why am I going to give people that kind of a forum? You know, if you don't feel sorry the innocent people murdered by the Germans in World War II,
Starting point is 00:06:57 and not just Jews, but millions of people all over the place, then there's something wrong with you. But the Jews got it the worst. And that's why Israel exists because they had to have some place to go. And President Truman knew that. So he, this guy, that's a real fringe play there. All right. And he got a lot of traction. He got a lot of traction.
Starting point is 00:07:28 I think he had lunch with President Trump and stuff like that. So Megan Kelly, my old colleague at Fox News, very popular. Very good broadcaster. I don't think there's any question about that. Skilled. Out on her own now, she makes a living, doing analysis on a whole bunch of places, and she's always in social media, and she's very controversial. So the latest thing was her analysis of Jeffrey Epstein. Go. And this person has told me from the start years and years ago that Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a peasant.
Starting point is 00:08:13 this is this person's view who was there for a lot of this but that he was into the barely legal type like he liked 15 year old girls and i i realize this is disgusting i'm definitely not trying to make an excuse for this i'm just giving you facts um that he wasn't into like eight year olds but he liked the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were but would look legal to a passer by and that is what I believed, and that was what I reliably was told for many years. So she got a lot of heafing that, Ms. Kelly did. But my question would be, why bother with that?
Starting point is 00:08:54 So Megan Kelly's a lawyer. I mean, she's a smart woman. She knows the business. Good interviewer can get some answers to difficult questions. So with that skill set, why do you want to do that? I mean, it's not germane to anything. Jeffrey Epstein got what he deserved. He should have gotten a lot sooner.
Starting point is 00:09:23 He didn't deserve to be on a planet. All right. So right now he's enjoying hell with the people on the cover of my book, Confronting Evil. Now and the Ayatollah, Adolf, and soon to be Putin. That's where Jeffrey Epstein is. So why are we trying to define what his proclivities were? I don't, I didn't get the end game to that. So when you're a broadcaster and you get into controversial areas
Starting point is 00:09:52 and anything with Epstein is controversial, it's got to be a reason. Or you've got to be, you're going to advance the story. This is just, well, somebody told me this and I, for what? I, I, me, it's like, why? bother with this. So that's what happened there. Laura Lumer, all right, she is 32, Tucson, Arizona, has a rapport with President Trump, no doubt about that. And here's one of her latest go. We need to stop talking about big tech social media censorship as solely a free speech issue.
Starting point is 00:10:39 the act of de-platforming and debanking and depriving, oh, mostly white Christian conservative Americans. I'm not a Christian, I'm Jewish, right? But I consider myself to be a white advocate. A white advocate, okay. Why are we breaking color lines down? I don't think white people need an advocate. We're the majority.
Starting point is 00:11:06 We hold the power. Always have. Why do we want to be in that kind of a divisive playing field? Again, what's the point? I don't know. Is that advancing anything, making country better? And I say the same thing to the black advocates. If it's all about skin color, you're not helping a country.
Starting point is 00:11:34 Okay, should be we're all together. Finally, Lara Logan, who I do know. All right. So I know Ms. Kelly, and I know Lara Logan. And Lara Logan was an unbelievably skilled reporter. She was. CBS News's chief foreign affairs correspondent, pointed that in 2006. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war, shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why, I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold. And you can do this. Get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax advantage, gold IRA. They'll even help you roll over your existing IRA or 401k, tax and penalty free. With billions in precious metals delivered thousands of five-star reviews and an A plus from the Better Business Bureau. You can trust American Hartford Gold as I do.
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Starting point is 00:13:25 That's nationalpost.com slash Spotify. She did excellent reporting from Afghanistan everywhere. She was caught in a terrible situation. in Egypt where she was assaulted. And I really have a lot of respect for Lara Logan. South African, 54 years old. And now she is, I guess, podcasting or doing something. Roll the tape.
Starting point is 00:13:55 Is God okay with a close border? It's much bigger than that. God believes that in sovereignty and national identity and the sanctity of family and all the things that we've lived with from the beginning of time. And he knows that the open border is Satan's way of taking control of the world through all of these people who are his stooges and his servants. And they may think that they're going to become gods. That's what they tell us, Yubal Noah Harari, and all the rest of them at the World Economic Forum.
Starting point is 00:14:26 You know, the ones who want us eating insects, cockroaches and that while they dine on the blood of children? I don't know what happened to where. I don't know if anybody's dining on the blood of children, but all I can tell you is what was a brilliant reporter at one time. Now, does it bother me that what she said to bowling? No. Because it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean a thing.
Starting point is 00:14:59 But I feel bad for her. And I'm not being condescending. I don't know what happened. Boy, was she a good reporter. She's a better reporter than me. I get a pretty high opinion of my repertorial skills. That woman was brave.
Starting point is 00:15:18 So anyway, look, summon it up. I think that the social media has to be viewed upon as purely entertainment. Take it or leave it. But when it goes over into the policy realm and this crazy stuff, people get into fame, people getting hurt, people getting attacked, marginalized, history being distorted, then somebody's got to take it on. I'm not going to do it.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Okay, I mean, there's the first time, probably the last time, I'm going to get involved with this stuff. Because again, it doesn't mean anything to me. I'm out of that world. But it may mean something to you. It meant something to the guy who drove me that said, hey, Candice Owens said that Charlie Kirk's plane was followed by Egyptian Air Force personnel. I said, really?
Starting point is 00:16:24 And then I said to him, did Ms. Owens back that up? And the answer came back from my driver. she did a lot of research. Okay. You're listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. Health care. Now, this is big for every American. You're paying a lot of money for health insurance.
Starting point is 00:16:50 And when you go in and buy prescription drugs and everything else costs a lot of money, right? And Trump trying to lower the health care prices and insurance premiums. If he does, that will help him in the midterms. If he doesn't, Democrats have an advantage. Simple as that. So right now, there's a lot of negotiation going on, and it is almost impossible to understand it. I've read it five, six times.
Starting point is 00:17:22 It has to do with the Affordable Care Act, ObamaCare. It has to do with government subsidies that go into there. It has to do with negotiations with big pharma. It's on and on and on and on. So I asked my staff, get me somebody who can explain this so even I can understand it. Joining us now is Michael Cannon and Kato Institute Director of Health Policy coming to us from Washington, D.C. So yeah, you got a terrible task here, Michael, because I read this five, six times, and I just don't know. But I'm going to ask.
Starting point is 00:17:53 I'm going to ask my usual, simple, foolish questions. First question. The Republicans are objecting to extending extending subsidies for Obamacare. What exactly does that mean? So Obamacare requires people who enroll to buy a lot of coverage they don't want, requires healthy people to pay higher premiums than is necessary, so that they can subsidize people with expensive medical conditions.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Okay, but I don't know. Let me stop you. there. I don't have Obamacare. I don't have Obamacare. Good. I don't have to enroll in if I don't want, I can bet my own private insurance, correct? You can if you have an employer who offers it to you, or you can afford it off of the exchanges, but even Obamacare's regulations apply there as well. But nobody can force you to buy Obamacare and pay their premiums, correct? Not anymore, that's correct. Okay. But millions of Americans choose to go into Obamacare, the programs, and they pay more, you're saying, than they should?
Starting point is 00:19:04 Is that accurate? Most people in the Obamacare exchanges pay maybe double what they should be paying because Obamacare lards up their premiums with hidden taxes and mandates that just increase the cost of insurance to them. Why would they pay that? Why wouldn't they go to another program? Two reasons. Well, one, there aren't really many other options out there because the government took most of them away.
Starting point is 00:19:32 But I'll have something to say about one of those in a moment. And people want health insurance. And Congress also offers people in Obamacare subsidies, massive subsidies, 80% of the premium. You can get a subsidy for this. Some people, 100% of the premium. If you're under a certain earning level, right? Well, right. But in 2021, Congress increased that earning level all the way up to like $600,000 per year.
Starting point is 00:19:57 year, those subsidies, though, are going to expire. So right now, people who are paying maybe 0% or 10% of their Obamacare premium are going to have to pay maybe 10 or 20% starting January 1st. And wealthier people earning more than $129,000 per year, maybe up to $600,000 per year, they're going to have to pay the full premium. And that's going to make them mad. And it should make them mad. Okay, but they can go and buy other insurance if they want to. It's just very hard to find other insurance, right? Not really, because if you want to get insurance for an employer, great. You can find that.
Starting point is 00:20:33 You can do that. But if you want to buy it directly from an insurance company, you have to obey all of Obamacare's rules. And the only exception, really, is a market that Congress is exempted from Obamacare. Congress calls it short-term health insurance. President Trump, in 2018, expanded the amount of consumer protections that are available in that market. And what we found was that when you exempt people from Obamacare, the premiums end up being
Starting point is 00:21:03 60% lower for most people. The coverage is comprehensive and on some dimensions higher quality than Obamacare, broader choice of doctors. But there aren't a lot of companies to do that. You got to, how do you find them? Because, well, they're out there, you know, United Health Care and Anthem and other large insurance companies offer these plans. All right, so you got to do some research. Go ahead. But here's the problem is that, that President Trump made these more widely available so they could last 36 months and provide better coverage that way.
Starting point is 00:21:33 And those rules were in place for six years when President Biden rescinded them. So right now, those plans could only last four months. And if you get sick when you're in one of these plans and then it runs out after four months, you don't have any coverage, you can't enroll in Obamacare for up to 12 months. So what President Trump needs to do-
Starting point is 00:21:51 I don't want to get too, all right, I got it. So Biden knocked it out and now it's much shorter. What President Trump wants, according to the dispatches we received this morning, is to extend the Obamacare subsidies, but basically keep it the same as it is now for two years. Is that your understanding? That's what the reports say, but if extends it for two more years, they're basically going to become permanent. Okay, all right, Bub, let's just stop them now. But Trump doesn't want to stop now. He wants to extend for two years to get by the midterms next November.
Starting point is 00:22:32 Well, what he wants is affordability. What he wants is to be able to say, hey, I'm making health insurance affordable to you. And all he needs to do in order to do that is tell Congress, I want you to make permanent those rules that I put in place in 2018, giving people access to Obamacare-exempt plans. Because then premiums will fall by 50% or more for most people in- So he wants to go back to the three-year window where you can get in there to Obamacare, and you won't pay as much. Well, hopefully he wants to do that, but he's not saying that right now, and his advisors aren't putting that in front of him.
Starting point is 00:23:07 He's within, like, inches of the cup. And all he needs is for his advisors to hand him a putter, but they're handing him a lawnmower with all these crazy mechanisms that'll... Yeah, nobody understands it. Nobody understands it. Okay. Okay. Now, the Republican Party in general does not want to expand the Obamacare subsidies that were, that kicked in in COVID. They want to go back to the original law. Is that correct?
Starting point is 00:23:36 Well, a lot of Republicans still want to repeal Obamacare, but at a minimum, they don't want to expand it. If you expand it, you get into all these fights over, will the subsidies go toward abortions? Will they go toward gender transition surgeries? They're very controversial among conservatives, and they don't want to have anything to do with that. I'm more interested in the affordability of it than the ancillary stuff. So right now, you have this confusing battle where Americans are paying a lot of money for their insurance through Obamacare and the others, too. You say you can get a better deal, I believe you.
Starting point is 00:24:12 But my question is, why doesn't, why don't all Americans seek the better deal? Are they lazy? Do they not know it's out there? Well, they can't really get a better deal right now because Biden rescinded Trump's rules. If Congress makes those rules permanent, then most people in these changes will be able to get a better deal. Just go over the rule again that should be made permanent. What's the rule again? Well, we call it President Trump's 2018 short-term plans rule. And all that Congress has to do is say, look, the short-term plans can last up to 36 months. Your insurer can sell you a renewal guarantee so that it can last even beyond that.
Starting point is 00:24:47 You get lower price insurance, better insurance, longer-term insurance, and it doesn't cost taxpayers a dime or destabilize Obamacare. So why don't they do that? Like I said, the president's within inches of the cup. It all he needs is a putter, and this is a much simpler message than what his advisors are selling him. It is a much easier or better way to assuage the fears of nervous Democrats because we had these rules in place for six years, and Obamacare did not crater.
Starting point is 00:25:16 I got it. Now, Democrats, they don't want any of that, right? They just want to spend more money on Obamacare, right? Higher subsidies. If the subsidies work, then why are Obamacare premiums increasing 26% this year? Subsidies are not going to solve this problem. So why are they increasing 26% this year? Why?
Starting point is 00:25:37 Because they created Obamacare. They sent premiums skyward. And if people see those premiums, if they see the cost of Obamacare, they're going to be angry and they're going to want to repeal it. And so this is Democrat's signature achievement from the past 20 years, generation. And they don't want voters to learn just how expensive and destructive Obamacare really is.
Starting point is 00:25:58 So they want to hide those posts. They know that, though. They know they're suffering on their premiums because they have to pay out of their own pocket a lot of them. Well, very few of them have to pay out of their own pocket right now. More of them will have to pay out of their own pocket when these subsidies expire. And that's what Democrats are trying to avoid.
Starting point is 00:26:14 They want to avoid that price transparency. Okay, shouldn't the government just cap it? They say, look, this is what you got to pay for health insurance. If you're in this income bracket, this is what you got to pay in that income bracket. Isn't that the way to solve this problem? Well, the government should be capping is how much the government spends on health care and it should be capping that at zero. If you want to subsidize people, the least destructive way for the government to do that is just to give them cash.
Starting point is 00:26:43 That might work in Medicare. I don't think it's going to work in Obamination. So send him a check? I mean, I know about the Trump wants the health care tax-free accounts where you would throw your money into a health care account. It wouldn't be taxed. And then you'd build that off to help yourself buy the premiums down the road. I got that.
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Starting point is 00:27:45 representatives, members of the Senate, candidates running for both, and key members of President Trump's administration, you're not going to want to miss it. What the government should be doing with Obamacare is giving people options, alternatives, so that the need for subsidies won't even be there, won't be as great. Because people will be getting health insurance on their own that is secure, that doesn't rely on government subsidies. But they'd have to order that to take place, the federal government would have to order that to take place.
Starting point is 00:28:14 Yeah, Congress would have to get out of the way of private insurance companies providing people better health care than the government's provided. And you really think private health care insurance companies would be reasonable because they're not reasonable in house insurance and car insurance. They're not. They're gouging the hell out of us. There's a famous health economist at the University of Pennsylvania named Mark Pauley. He says health insurance companies will do anything for money, including being nice and reasonable. And so if you give the money to the consumers and they have to please the consumers, then yes, health insurance. companies will do a better job. But they're not doing it for home and auto, not doing it.
Starting point is 00:28:50 Well, there are ways that the government gets involved there as well and reduces competition in the markets for home and auto insurance. But look at auto insurance, I mean, insurance companies have been innovative in both the markets for health and auto insurance by protecting people from their premiums going up after they suffer a loss. That's what they call accident forgiveness. You've probably seen the ads. The same thing exists in health insurance.
Starting point is 00:29:13 President Trump tried to make that, did make that available to people. Clarified that federal law allows that, but the Biden administration rescinded that, which means that a lot of people are going to face cancer patient premiums when they get cancer instead of healthy person premiums. It's so confusing. It really is. I mean, it's almost discouraging to the fact, to the point where the normal, everyday person cannot understand what the deuce is happening.
Starting point is 00:29:43 and they can't. So that's where we are. You know, gas pumps are confusing to people in New Jersey, but it's not because they're dumber than people in the rest of the country. It's because the government has banned self-service gas stations in New Jersey, so they don't learn how to navigate these issues. People make their own health insurance decisions, and all this will become much simpler,
Starting point is 00:30:04 and the population will become better educated about all of it. I'm with you guys at Cato and Spirit. But this one, this health care mess, And this needs to be totally revamped, in my opinion. Michael, thanks very much. We appreciate it. I know it's a very difficult subject. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:30:22 This is the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. Begin tonight with Bill O'Reilly, host of the NoSpin News, Bill O'Reilly. All of his content online, YouTube, backslash, Bill O'Reilly's new book called Confronting Evil assessing the Worst of the Worst. I don't want to spoil it, Bill, but it will be Christmas presents for a few of my friends. They'll just have to figure out which ones. called the Democrats video a stunt. Should people be punished for a political stunt? I wouldn't punish him.
Starting point is 00:30:55 I think the whole thing is contrived. I'm disappointed with Senator Kelly. I think that he made a huge mistake by getting involved with this ridiculous charade. You don't, if you're a responsible, a legislator, you don't make things up. So if you don't have an illegal order, then why are you talking about an illegal order? For what? What is the reason? There's only one to embarrass Trump, to whip up hatred against Trump. That's why they did it. Of course. I guess they didn't have
Starting point is 00:31:31 anything else to do on Monday. I don't know. But why would Kelly, who has a distinguished record, both in the military and in Congress, why would it be part of it? it. What's the upside? And then, when all hell breaks loose, oh, you weren't expecting that backlash? You weren't expecting that you, a senator or a congressperson? My reporting is Alyssa Slotkin was the one who organized it, right? And she's notably the only one of the six that actually didn't serve in the military. She was with the CIA. But that's my reporting. So you think they understood the fire. storm that this was going to set off. I mean, I think they would have. I don't know how you don't.
Starting point is 00:32:20 If they didn't, if they didn't, they should retire. What, he, seven years old? When you go in there and tell the U.S. military not to obey orders because they may be, quote, unquote, unlawful, you're going to get pushed back. And if you're a military person, you're getting in trouble. Well, Bill, to be fair, that's what's going to happen. To be fair here, they said don't obey unlawful orders, which, by the way, is what every person is told every time, every day in boot camp. Okay, there are classes at the U.S. military academies on unlawful orders. Can I, wait, can I stop you? Let me stop you.
Starting point is 00:33:05 Leland, don't set yourself on fire. Okay, please, I'm begging you. Don't set yourself on fire. There was no unlawful order in play. They can try to do it. We've reported that. That's not, that is not a legitimate basis to try to undermine a president or a military. It's just not.
Starting point is 00:33:30 You can make up anything and ask what they did. And they didn't think there was going to be this blowback on them. Come on, this is your thing's absurd. They did it because of the blowback, right? And we know that because they're embracing the blowback. No, they don't like it. No, they don't like the blowback now. Oh, they don't like it.
Starting point is 00:33:51 Oh, come on. Oh, Kelly loves it. He's fundraising off of it. He's not backtracking. He's doubling down. I understand this. I understand the cynicism involved with fundraising, but they don't like it, Leeland. They're being pillage.
Starting point is 00:34:06 You know, I wrote a column yesterday on Bill O'Reilly.com called The Stubborn. because this is a stunt. The Mandani thing at the White House was a stunt. And political people are just crazy with stunts. But in the body of the column, I said, what if the pilots and the bombers in the Nola Gaye in 1945 were up there and they said, you know, killing all these civilians with this atom bomb,
Starting point is 00:34:36 that may be illegal, we're not going to drop it. drop it. Right? There are literally thousands of orders throughout history in military campaigns that you could debate were illegal. And you're going to, what, have Gomer Pyle make a decision about what's legal and what isn't while he's in the field? I mean, it's insane. If you just step back away from the media madness, it's insane. It's insane. I know you don't watch us every night. We're up a little past your bedtime, and you've got better things to do. But we laid out very clearly last week the danger here.
Starting point is 00:35:19 And the real danger, especially for the program, Leland. For the rank and file. But I want to, there's something else going on here, right? You called it a stunt. You said the Mandami thing was a stunt. Do you agree Pete Higgs-Sys statement that we're going to maybe recall Kelly and put them on court? marshal is a stunt.
Starting point is 00:35:42 Hegsteth is following orders. Okay. So is that a stunt by Trump? What are you doing? No. Trump's the commander-in-chief. He orders the secretary of war to look into
Starting point is 00:35:57 a situation that the commander-in-chief is to serve by. Chain of command. That's what happens. So this is, so this is my question to you. You've got today the Comey and the Letitia James case is thrown out. You've got...
Starting point is 00:36:15 Do you know why they were thrown out, by the way? Because I don't know what the unlawful appointment... It's whether or not how a Senate confirmed at the time. Okay, so it's all about a confirmation of a U.S. attorney in Virginia. That is the crux of the matter, right? That is the crux, as I understand it, of why it was, of why the cases were thrown out. That's not to say... Why the judge made the decision?
Starting point is 00:36:46 Why wouldn't go? Let me ask you a question here. Why wouldn't, if the federal judge has a question about Lindsay Halligan not going through the Senate approval process, why would he just throw it out entirely? And you say, this is a violation, because there really isn't, I can't find it, maybe you can. There really isn't a A, B, C, D when it comes to these kind of appointments. If there were, the judge could throw it out, okay, with prejudice. He didn't, she didn't.
Starting point is 00:37:25 She threw it out without prejudice, which means it's coming back. So there's a debate about whether Ms. Halligan's appointment, was lawful or was not. Correct. Am I correct there? No, I think it's different. Or they can refile the case. Because throwing it out with prejudice is a way to punish the prosecution.
Starting point is 00:37:45 And there's a discussion now. This is wrong about Kone. But Halligan didn't do anything. Hold on, let me just say it. Halligan didn't do anything. No, but it would be to punish the DOJ. That's why they throw it out. Right.
Starting point is 00:37:59 So this is what gets to me and my question. You've now got the Halligan case, the case against quote, The case against, quote, Comey is a mess for two reasons. One, you've got that she may or may not have been appointed correctly, and Bondi went through with it. Two, whether or not it was properly done with the grand jury, which was the big debate last week. And then they might throw it out with prejudice because that can be prosecutorial misconduct. But they walked that back. Well, the DOJ said it didn't happen.
Starting point is 00:38:25 The judge didn't. But just let me ask this question. No, no, no. Okay, go ahead. Is Trump being well served? by those working for him. Are the president's men and women keeping him focused on what he needs to be focused on
Starting point is 00:38:42 and preventing unforced errors that he has to answer for? Look, President Trump is like Andrew Jackson and Teddy Roosevelt and a couple of other presidents. You can suggest things to him, okay? That's it. Then he does what he wants to do. It makes it a lot easier for journalists, like you and me, to cover a president who basically says, I make all the decisions. There's nobody I can, it's not like FDR who had a bunch of guys in the White House, and they were just kicking this stuff around all the time, and they got a consensus going, and then FDR during World War II in particular signed on the consensus, okay?
Starting point is 00:39:29 that's not Trump. Trump will listen, but you've got to get it in quick, all right? Camp Loviate, and then he makes his own decision. So it's not fair to kick this to some advisor because the president is, his governance style is, I'm the guy, I'm going to make the call. That is his style. And your style, Bill, is to always, I think, let us know what's going to happen in these segments. Because you posted on X. Tonight at 9 Eastern, I will solve the country's problems. Watch me do it on News Nation at Leland Vitter. I feel like the country has a couple of more problems to solve.
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Starting point is 00:41:04 This initial plan would be a total capriculation by Ukraine. I think it would go down, frankly, as a historically bad deal, rivaling Neville Chamberlain giving in to Hitler before World War II. Democrats spent the weekend trashing a 28-point peace plan for Ukraine that looked like Vladimir Putin's wish list for Christmas. Now that take it or leave an ultimatum for Ukraine to accept a humiliating peace deal by Thanksgiving appears to be off. Nietz, as they would say in Moscow. The Russians and American negotiators spent the weekend in Geneva, make that the Ukrainian and American negotiators, working on a new proposal.
Starting point is 00:41:46 So 28 points has now become a 19-point plan that Ukraine says they can live with. This is a living, breathing document. Every day with input, it changes. The deadline is we want to get this done as soon as possible. Obviously, you know, we'd love it to be Thursday. We'd love to be, ultimately, the important point today is that we have made substantial progress. We've really moved forward. Bill O'Reilly back with us, host of the no-spin news, Bill O'Reilly.com. You've been talking about Ukraine for years, Bill, put Putin on the cover of the book, confronting evil, assessing the worst of the worst.
Starting point is 00:42:19 You've before laid out Trump's playbook. I want to look at Putin's playbook here, because it seems to be working. right, that every time Trump gets close to punishing him, he goes, oh, no, no, no, wait, I'd be happy to show you my plan, Mr. President, and then Trump takes the plan to the Ukrainians or anybody else, and they look at this and they say, no, this is just an invitation for Putin to take over the rest of Europe, and we start over again. In the public eye, yes, and I'm disappointed with Warner, who knows better. you know, whenever you have a negotiation that's leaked, as this was, to the, I guess, telegraphed newspaper in England.
Starting point is 00:43:02 Somebody grabbed it. Yeah, you always have a first draft, and you always ask for everything. That's what you do. And Warner knows that, and it's just, this is what, and Cuomo's right on this, and I hate to say that, they take stuff they know isn't true, and I mean both parties, and they just ramp it up to get people angry, And Warner knows that this was just a rough draft that some sneak put out there. And if they find out who that was,
Starting point is 00:43:33 it should be charged with the Espionage Act for doing it. But anyway, by the way, Bill, it was my understanding it's the Russians who put it out. But I don't think you can charge them with the espionage. Man, I find that hard to believe. I find that very hard to believe, okay? The Russians even have access to that because they're not indirectly involved in talks.
Starting point is 00:43:52 And they would not be brought in, until Zelenskyy signs off. No, this was the Russians, Bill, this was the Russians and the Americans sat down. They came up with this 28-point plan. They started talking about it. The Russians basically said, this is the outline we would agree to. And in the moments before it got taken to the Ukrainians, my understanding is that's when the Russians leaked it. No.
Starting point is 00:44:17 Lavrov and Witkoff are the two main negotiators, all right? And Lavrov for the past three years, that's how long this thing has been going on. She says the same stuff every day, every day, never changes, all right? We want peace, but we're not going to give you anything. That's Lavrov, and then they all go out to dinner. This was inside the Trump White House what we have to get out of Zelensky. And Zelensky is very weak now, and for the following reasons. Number one, get 200,000 Ukrainian men are AWOL from the draft.
Starting point is 00:44:59 He doesn't have enough soldiers. The Ukrainians are now paying mercenaries to do the fighting. Number two, there's a huge scandal brewing. Three of Zelensky's very close advisors are suspected of taking millions of dollars in bribes from a nuclear energy concern in Ukraine, all right? nuclear power. And the third one is that the Ukrainian army cannot get a foot and hold of ground. It's a hundred percent defensive war. So the United States knows this, Putin knows all that. But you make a mistake, Trump's oil sanctions has hurt all the lad, big time, big time.
Starting point is 00:45:47 The oil price in the world's coming down. China's screwing him on the price like crazy, the Russians. Vlad's starting to sweat because Vlad needs millions of dollars in hard currency, not rubles, to pay the generals that prop him up. Once that money dissolves, you're going to see Vlad's head on a stick. The only thing keeping him in there with one million casualties for nothing in Ukraine are the generals. the army, keeping him in there. He needs hard currency.
Starting point is 00:46:22 And he's not going to, it's going down real fast. So this is a good time that maybe he'll change a little bit. But first they have to get Zelensky to sign off on it. And that's what this negotiation in Geneva was all about this weekend, telling the Ukrainians, you have to be realistic, you have an opening here, you've got to stop it, because it's getting worse for you. And it's not going to get any better. It's not going to get any better. That's the key.
Starting point is 00:46:53 It's only going to get worse for Ukraine. You think there's a deal that both Ukraine and Putin will sign on to? I don't know because Putin is literally a psychopath who enjoys killing people. But I don't think he wants to commit suicide, Putin. Okay. So how does this... Right. Okay, so then bring this in to Venezuela, right?
Starting point is 00:47:22 Venezuela, right. All different thing. Does Trump really want a war with Venezuela? There's enough military hardware floating around the Caribbean Sea to take over all of South America. So why is he doing this? He doesn't want a war because he wants Maduro out. Because he knows once Maduro gets out and all the oil in Venezuela, goes on the market, that'll drive oil prices down even further.
Starting point is 00:47:50 That'll hurt Putin even further, and it'll help the American consumer. So what Trump did was he studied what Bush the Elder did in Panama, when the United States troops invaded, literally grabbed Noriega, the president of Panama, grabbed him, threw him on a plane, took him to Miami, tried and incarcerated the man. So the Trump people said, we can do that. It's a little more complicated, but we don't believe that there's going to be a lot of people dying to keep Maduro in there. He's not popular. So they're making a big show of this to really rattle Maduro's cage.
Starting point is 00:48:32 Behind the scenes, what nobody knows, is they're trying to make a deal with Maduro to get out of there with a lot of money. That's what Axios reported a couple of hours ago. Well, okay. They took it from me. And Maduro may do it, because Maduro is a short timer in there one way or the other. Got it. All right. Bill, thank you very much. Good to see you. First word about the Venezuela stuff in Wardo. Thank you. Thanks for keeping me up late, Leland. You know, I enjoy the late hour with you today. There you go. Happy Thanksgiving. Good to see you.
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