Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - October 28, 2023

Episode Date: October 28, 2023

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Welcome to the No Spin News Weekend Edition. Now joining us now from New York is a guy who spent 28 years in the House of Representatives, Peter King, representing the South Shore of Long Island. Give me an overview on this, first of all, all right? A lot of people, they don't follow this. Why did Kevin McCarthy get the boot? Well, Bill, first of all, thanks for having me on. There's no logical reason at all.

Kevin McCarthy was doing the very best he could. He has 221 Republicans, and you need 217 and 218 votes to get anything through the House. And he has to deal with a wide range of members of Congress, people from Long Island, people from upstate New York, as well as people from Mississippi and Alabama. And his job is to unite them as much as they can as he can to get legislation passed. And to do that, for instance, to keep the government open, he had to work out a spending bill with the Democrats, which would get enough Republicans, enough Democrats, and he did that. And so he was accused of collaborating with the enemy, with the Democrats. That was

the excuse they used, but it was really, he had the support of 96% of the Republicans. There's only eight Republicans went against him, led by Matt Gates. And to me, it was irresponsible. They had no substitute or alternative candidate. And it's the first time in the history of the country that a Speaker of the House has been removed. And you would think there would be some cause for it, not just disagreeing on whether or not they should have had a bipartisan solution, bipartisan solution to keeping the government open.

So this was a power play with no concern for the consequences. Do you know Gates? I was with them, I guess, for the last four years I was in Congress. I was in Congress, I was there with Gates. I always considered him to be a flake, to be a strange guy on the outside, and now being away from it, it's hard for me to believe that Matt Gates

was the one who brought down a speaker of the House of Representatives for the first time in history. I mean, he's not a serious player, sort of a Gaird fly, he loves getting attention, and I didn't know anyone who was really close to him down in Congress.

He was one of those guys sitting, you know, sitting in the back of the room, telling jokes. That's my impression of Matt Gates. Well, he says, and the other seven that went along with him, is that conservative Republicans are demanding fiscal responsibility, and to make a deal with the other party, the Democrats, who obviously are not responsible fiscally, is a sellout. That's Gates's position. Is there any validity to that? No, there is. I'll tell you why. Listen, if Kevin McCarthy had a Republican Senate and a Republican president, then they could make much more progress than they did.

The fact is that the Democrats control the White House, they control the Senate, and Kevin McCarthy, to me, was making the best deals that he could. They were incremental, but he was making steady progress. And it was such a difference having Kevin there, rather than having a Democratic speaker, he was able to block a lot of Democratic legislation, and using that he was able to make some progress on, you know, different spending bills. He was able to get a border security bill through the House. He got some of the crime legislation through the House. The reality is that the Democrats control almost all the levers of government, the Senate, the White House, and they were

in four members of controlling the House. Gates says, well, then we should blow everything up. If they have that power, we should just blow it up, shut it down. And that's his posture, correct? It is, and it's totally irresponsible. There's a real role, whether people like the Congress or not, it has a role to play, and now we see it with Israel. We have to be voting on aid measures for Israel, among other things. All right, three Republicans on Long Island, where we are voted against Jim Jordan.

Why? The main reason would be that he has shown a real antipathy to New York. He voted against 9-11 health care legislation, He voted against A to Sandy. And also, some of the tactics that we used indicated that he may be leaning too much toward the Matt Gates' wing of the party. For instance, the threatening phone calls started coming in once Jordan became the nominee. And there was a strong feeling that more could have been done to stop that. There was none of that with McCarthy, none of that was Scalise, but suddenly with Jordan,

they were getting politically threatening phone calls, which was one thing, but also physically threatening phone calls. And somebody turned that on. Did the election have anything to do with that, that Jordan voted to decertify the electoral count? Did I have anything to do with it? That certainly did with some Republicans, and including the ones on Long Island,

where it's more of a blue-collar conservative attitude rather than this wholly than now. And even though Trump actually did, even in 2020, he carried Suffolk, almost carried Nassau. He carried both of them in 2016. But Long Island does not believe that the election was stolen. They think they were probably irregularities. Why did the guy from Louisiana lose?

Steve Scalise, he was considered too close to McCarthy, I believe. That's the way, as I said, and he was considered part of the establishment. So now, now it's nine guys. guys want it. Give me a quick prediction on what you think is going to happen, quick. Okay. I think the best would be Tom Emma, who's right now the whip. He's from Minnesota. He's a solid Republican. Understands you've got to bring people together. But Trump is against him, so that could be enough to keep him out. Other than that, Bill, I have no idea where this is going. I talked to people in Congress all the time. No one sees an end to this, which is really

tragic. It certainly is. Not good for the country. Peter King, thanks very much. We really appreciate your time today. Listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war, shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver. Theroux, the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold.

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Hey, it's Sean Spicer from the Sean Spicer Show podcast, reminding you to tune into my show every day to get your daily dose inside the world of politics. President Trump and his team are shaking up Washington like never before, and we're here to cover it from all sides, especially on the topics the mainstream media won't. So if you're a political junkie on a late lunch or getting ready for the drive home, new episodes of the Sean Spicer Show podcast drop at 2 p.m. East Coast every day. Make sure you tune in. You can find us at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. Joining us now from New Jersey is Dr. John Shane. He's a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, 15 years there.

And then before that, he was a captain in the Newark, New Jersey Police Department where he spent 20 years. Now, Newark, New Jersey is an epicenter for narcotics use, and always has been. Poverty level there is high. So, doctor, I submit to you that in order to drive down public disorder and in order to get prime under control in the urban centers, you've got to be tougher on narcotics, importation, and drug use. Am I wrong?

No, I think you have some valid points. Importation, trafficking are some of the most pernicious things that can happen at a local level. The reality is that the federal government, unfortunately, has a very limited role in controlling local issues. I agree 100% that they have to do things at the border, and not just the southern border, but the northern border as well. what's going on. All border. Let me ask you specifically, when you saw the first year of the Biden administration that there was an essentially open border with record amounts of fentanyl, heroin, cocaine,

and methamphetamine coming across, wouldn't a guy like you, a professor at John Jay, or I'd say, maybe we should close that border and make it harder for the cartels to get drugs in here? Isn't that a logical progression? Not only that. That's something I study. It's called situational crime prevention. And the whole idea behind it is blocking opportunities for crime to occur. And we know that hardening targets and those sorts of things relate directly to what the Biden administration has not done it after three years. Nothing. Well, Bill, the politics are rearing its ugly head. He has an ulterior motive. And he's not an interesting. What do you think that is? I think that is allowing a certain level of disorder at the local level to occur and then coming in and trying to use government as the savior once they're here

and creating another class of addicted people, and that is addicted to government operations. All right. You think that they're doing this almost intentionally so they can ride into the rescue. There is no rescue. Now, you know and I know that local police departments like Newark depend on block grants from the federal government, all right? Correct. So really, the feds have a lot of power and state and local decisions. They can cut off those grants. For example, in Philadelphia, all right, where you have a DA Krasner who won't just simply will not charge crimes, criminals of crimes.

And if they're addicted to drugs, they walk. Okay, well, you go to a drug treatment. Oh, you do this. Oh, you beat up the old lady and you took all her money. That's okay. You're not going to do any time. You'll go to some phony drug rehab thing, not even inpatient, outpatient. You take your heroin and then you go on in for an hour.

That's okay. Old ladies in the hospital traumatized, life will never be the change. Same. This is so outrageous if people understood how many innocent, United States citizens are harmed by drug addicts, and the drug addicts don't pay any price. The people you're talking about, Bill, the prosecutors and their associates are an extension of exactly what's going on with the White House administration. There's no commitment to the certainty of punishment. Now, we've known for a long time in the research community that the certainty of punishment, that the certainty of punishment, as opposed to the severity of punishment is deterrent to criminal behavior.

There has to be some element of certainty. The idea, which is what the NSA was getting at when they talked about changing behavior, this idea that it's almost certain I'm going to be punished if I get caught, and then fortifying police departments with the ability to actually catch people, and once they do, that there's a certainty of apprehension and there's a certainty of punishment, those things are lacking. The progressive movement, and I'm sure you see it in John Jay, okay, the progressive movement throws that out saying that if you do that, you're racist because most criminals are people

of color. So therefore, they shouldn't be punished because society made them take the heroin, all right, and sell the fentanyl on the street, we're going to leave them alone. That's the mindset, correct? That is correct. There's a lot of that, and that is the overwhelming post-George Floyd sentiment. It seems that the entire criminal justice system is taking a beating over the actions of a rogue police officer in one city. That just should not have happened.

They absolutely seized upon that, there's no doubt. Now, I wrote a paper when I was at home. Harvard on Singapore. I traveled to Singapore. They have no drug problem there. They have no social disorder in Singapore. It is a fascist country. That has to be stated. But their basic law is this. If you are addicted to drugs and they can drug test you on a spot, they don't need a warrant or anything like that. You go to mandatory rehab, inpatient rehab. have. They have camps. Not many anymore because there aren't drug addicts in Singapore. They all went to Malaysia, which lets you do what you want. Okay. Can you see that ever happening in the United States

where if you are caught in a commission of a crime, you have drugs in your system, you've got to go to mandatory rehab. You're off the street. The market collapses. I can see that as a consequence of conviction. Yes. I can't see it as an intrusion of upon liberty, at the behest of a police officer, at the scene of something, upon conviction, yeah, I can see that. Okay, I agree with you. I would not, you have to have a presumption of innocence,

but the conviction, all right, means in addition to serving your sentence, whatever it may be, okay, you gotta go out, because they're not gonna, I mean, in New York, and you know this, you can, you can hurt, severely hurt person, all right, trying to mug them or take whatever they want, stabbing, even stabbing them, you're not going to do time. You're not going to do time. It's insane, last word. Didn't we see that with the bodega homicide? Yeah, yeah. The man was held. It's a classic

example of that sort of thing, where the victim was the one that was charged with the crime. It can't happen. It cannot continue to happen. And the unfortunate side before there is any reform is that you're going to see more victims pile up, and then there'll be change. And at the top of that food chain is Joe Biden, who does not care, in my opinion. Doctor, good discussion. Thanks very much. We really appreciate it. This is the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. Hey, I'm Caitlin Becker, the host of the New York Postcast, and I've got exactly what you need to start your weekdays. Every morning, I'll bring you the stories that matter, plus the news people actually talk about,

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now from Washington. He is a permanent, he's a member, a ranking member on the Senate permanent subcommittee on investigations, which is, of course, you know, the Bidens and their finances. First of all, reaction to the new House speaker. well i'm glad they do have a speaker now uh i figured they eventually sorted out it took a little while but now they have a speaker i would say the problems in the house really have not set us back at all because you know we're we're still here you know fiddling like nero as rowan burns here in the senate we're not exactly the rocket docket so we're not passing anything we're barely voting on on a minibus appropriation bill starting to vote on some amendments so again it was it was

messy. It was somewhat unfortunate, but it looks like they found a consensus pick, and I'm looking forward to working with a new speaker to start addressing the very serious challenges facing this nation. All right. He's not your little brother or anything, right? Do you know him at all? Do you know him? No, I haven't worked with the speaker. I've seen him do questioning and hearings. Seems very intelligent, very articulate. Obviously, he was consensus picked by the House, So I've got confidence in my Republican colleagues in the House to have picked a good man. Okay. One of the first things are going to come up is the spending to keep the government open,

the same old merry-go-round it you guys are always on every two or three months. Israel, Biden wants to give Israel an enormous amount of money. Would you vote yes for that? Well, right now the debate is, do we do this as a big package, where we include three or four different elements? I think it's pretty strong consensus within our conference, the Republican Conference, to treat Israel separately. There's strong bipartisan support. It would pass almost overwhelmingly, almost unanimously in the Senate, probably in the House as well.

We don't know where this thing is going. If it's strictly limited to Gaza, there's a certain level of support you need to provide Israel. If there's a northern front that opens up with Hezbollah, really, it's Katie bar the door. We're seeing drone attacks on bases where U.S. personnel are. We just got word for the administration. Some U.S. service members were injured. You know, fortunately, slightly

injured. They're all back on duty, apparently, in a drone attack, I believe, in a Syrian base. So we don't know what's going to happen when, you know, Israel finally starts the ground attack into, into Gaza. Nobody knows. You may be looking something completely different here. You're generally favorable to

funding Israel and giving them American taxpayer dollars so they can defend himself. Would that be inaccurate? Yes, I think the vast majority of members of Congress are Democrat and Republican. Let's not mess it up with the controversial items. All right. Now, Ukraine, if the United States were to stop funding it, Putin would win, because the only thing keeping Putin at bay are American weapons and money flowing into that country, which is historically corrupt, as you know. What about Ukraine?

Well, whether you agree or disagree with more support for Ukraine, it's more controversial. And certainly, there are an awful lot of Americans who are wondering why Biden is more concerned about Ukraine's border than our own southern border. So this might be an opportunity. When you have now Hamas' days of rage, the potential of terrorists coming across the southern border, there will be a big effort to attach true border security to any aid package to Ukraine. I think most Americans, Congress, highly sympathetic with the people, the courageous people of Ukraine, but we're also very sympathetic with Americans, the drug trafficking, the terror.

Everybody knows the problems. Right. Now, the polls show that the vast majority of Americans, 70 percent, don't want the open border. They think this migrant invasion is bad for the country. Yet Biden won't do anything to stop it. So the prevailing wisdom on the right is that Biden's a captive to the far-left progressive money men, all right, that funds his campaign. And I don't know whether you saw it, but we laid that out last week. Jeffrey Katzenberg is in charge of all the fundraising.

He's a big Hollywood mogul. Soros is pumping money in there, a whole bunch of other Steve Jobs' widow, massive amounts of money going into the Biden campaign. So Biden's not going to do anything to alien at that far-left money. That's why he's ignoring the border totally. Do you buy that? I don't know what his motives, but he's absolutely for an open border. And his Democrat henchmen in the Senate and the House are completely backing him up. So we need to secure our border.

As I said, when Hamas is calling for days of rage, 1.7 million known Godaways. We don't know who these people are, but you think there might. be a terrorist or two include in that. So what Biden has asked for in his supplement of packages, something $13 billion for what they call border security. It's not border security. It's going to actually increase illegal. Yeah, to get more people in and process.

Right. Yeah, you know, it's a joke. So this would be the one opportunity where we can withhold cloture on the overall package, split out support for Israel, and demand a real. debate and real border security being passed. All right. So let me just recoup. It's a little complicated. One, Israel should be a part because that is an ongoing urgent situation to protect the Israeli people. You support the American dollar going over to help that. Two, Ukraine and the border should be tied in. If you're going to continue funding Ukraine, then the Biden administration

has to seal up the border. Do I have it right? Yeah, and again, that's the only way we're going to get real. No, I agree. I mean, the guy is, I don't know how anybody could vote for Joe Biden. And I mean that in a non-ideological way. I mean, a man is just unbelievable. I'm coming out from a historian's point of view, I know how these presidents perform. All right, final thing is you are on that. Bill, let me just add.

There are ways of tying this with metrics. So you can, if Ukraine needs funding sooner, we can start doing it entranches. based on metrics of actually securing the border, you know, watching the number of illegals come down, watching him, meant return to Mexico, watching him, you know, or demanding that he institute a much higher standard than credible fear. So there's ways of doing this intelligently tricks. Trump did it. I mean, he did it. Oh, yeah. You know how to do it. Yeah. I mean, he did it. Okay. Final question, subcommittee on investigations. You're on that committee. Hunter Biden, Joe Biden. All right.

So we had a little bit of a headline that Jim Biden wrote a check to his brother, Joe Biden for 200,000, soon after Joe Biden left the vice presidency. But now we hear that was a repayment of a loan, which wouldn't be a smoking gun. So if Joe lent Jim 200K and then Jim's just paying it back, that's not illegal. However, this has been shrouded now, the Hunter Biden thing, by the chaos in the House. Can you give my audience tonight any semblance of where this investigation is heading? Well, first of all, Joe Biden should show the loan document between himself and his brother. Loaning somebody, $20,000 is different than $200,000. So, you know, the House has to subpoena, and they are subpoenaing all of the Biden family bank records.

Senator Grassin and I, we show the money flowing in from foreign sources into the labyrinth of companies designed to money laundering. under Hunter Biden, but we didn't have the spina power at the time, didn't have the time to, you know, track down all of the other bank accounts for the Biden's where it went into. Where does Joe have his bank accounts? I mean, all in America, this is active. That's the real. And you feel, because last time you're on a program, you said, it's not going to end well for President Biden.

You still believe that? Oh, I don't think so. I mean, James Comer, they're doing a great job of filling in the puzzle pieces, and it just looks more and more corrupt. One thing, and I mentioned this to you in the summer when we spoke, yesterday, the U.S. Attorney in California, Estrada, testified in front of Jordan's committee, but it was secret behind closed doors. Still haven't gotten anything there. If you get something and you want to tell my audience, I'm happy to have you. Okay, I'd love to know what that is.

But more importantly, in my independent investigation, is Graves, the U.S. attorney in D.C., who refused to cooperate with Weiss in Delaware, as did Estrada. They refused to cooperate. No matter what Merrick Garland says, he's not telling the truth. Those two men would not cooperate. Graves' wife, Fatima Graves, has visited the White House 28 times. Her husband sits a few doors down in the Justice Department from Merrick-A-Lorland. So, I mean, I'd like to hear why Fatham is in that White House 28 times.

I don't know about you, but I really like to when her husband's up with neck in this kind of investigation. It's a very small, corrupt world within the Democratic elites. And, I mean, let's face it, the fact of the matter that these individuals working collectively and in harmony allowed the status limitations to expire on the most serious tax evasion charges. Chairman Wyatim is always talking about wealthy tax cheats. Well, they've got the son of their president of their party a wealthy tax sheet. And now we're finding out that, again, they're getting supposedly loans from a rich lawyer to pay off the, again, it's just corrupt. It's obviously corrupt.

It's just not obviously the mainstream media. But the big one is, did President Biden derive money from his son's grifting? That's it. Senator Johnson, thanks very much. We look forward to talk it to you again soon. Here's the gem from the no-spin News Vault. Let's bring in Peter Schweitzer, Tallahassee, Florida. Now, Mr. Schweitzer, as I mentioned, is a genuine reporter, okay? A fact-based guy. His latest book, Secret Empire, is how the American political class hides corruption and richest family and friends out in paperback. Now, well worth reading. All right, first of all, from my monologue, did I make any factual errors that you picked up on, Peter?

No, I think you're right, Bill, and I think, you know, the big question that nobody wants to talk about lurking in this, this relates to the Biden's activity, it relates to President Trump's phone call, is, you know, we've had a couple of decades now where high-ranking politicians, frankly, from both political parties have gone to countries like Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and elsewhere. These are countries that are highly corrupt. They have a lot of money, a lot of natural resources, and they've cashed in. And there's never been any accounting. And my point is, you know, Joe Biden and his son's big deal in Ukraine occurred while Joe Biden was vice president of the United States. So it is certainly relevant to his official conduct. When is that going to be investigated?

Is it ever going to be investigated? It's not going to happen by a mid-ranking Department of Justice. justice official reaching out to Ukrainians and asking for it. It's got to come from the highest levels of Washington. And the fact that the president of the United States said, you know, I'd like you, Ukrainian authorities, to cooperate with my attorney general, to look into this, to find out what happened is completely legitimate. And I think it's the sort of thing that needs to happen from time to time. A realtor is no accountability. Remember, Bill, we were told in 2017, you can't investigate Hillary Clinton because she says,

never going to run for office again. Now we're being told you can't investigate Joe Biden because he is running for office. My question is, when can you investigate anybody at a senior level with that kind of constraint being placed on investigating, particularly liberal Democrats? All right, but if nefarious conduct is spotlighted by Joe Biden, that helps Donald Trump and his reelection. So is there any validity to the accusation that Trump is only doing this so he can diminish Biden and re-election. Well, I don't, you know, it's always hard to look into somebody's heart and soul and know why they did something.

There were probably multiple motivations. But I think if you look at that phone call, you know, some people on the left have said, well, you know, Trump is using coded language to send a message to Ukrainians. I mean, anybody who's followed Donald Trump's political career for five minutes knows the man does not speak in code of language. It's so absurd. And that's why I mentioned the United States of Trump because this portion, the

Trump's, you know, anger is well spelled out against Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden. Now, Hunter Biden, as a private American citizen, even though his father's vice president, has a right to make money

wherever he wants to make money, even if it's a corrupt bargain. And obviously, being hired by a Ukrainian energy company when it had no energy experience is shady, and so is a China situation that you investigated. But I don't think there's anything illegal in that, is there? Right now we don't have direct evidence of illegality. It certainly is corrupt. A lot of corrupt things are legal. But my point has been, Bill, that, look, it needs to be investigated. I mean, think about the two standards here. We're being told in the case of Donald Trump,

We don't know that any laws were broken with this phone call, but we've got to investigate and determine whether something illegal happens. But in the case of the Bidens were told, you have no evidence of illegality, so it's a non-scandal. I think what drives people nuts, and you talk about this regularly bill, is the fact that there are two sets of standards when it comes to justice investigation in Washington, D.C. My point is, it is absolutely illegal. if Hunter Biden cashed in in two countries while his father was point person for U.S. policy in those countries, and there were favors exchanged. We know that Hunter Biden was being paid a lot of money for jobs that he had no expertise in.

So we know he's not being paid for his expertise. The question, Bill, is what is he being paid for? They're paying him for something. Right. I don't think you're ever going to get a crime, but certainly unethical. The final question I have for you, Peter, is this. We live in a country now where the national press is not honest. Would you see that? Yes, absolutely. There are some very good individual reporters, but as a system and by and large, correct. You're absolutely right.

All right. Run by six companies control 90% of the information flow nationally. The American people then are in a shadow. They don't get, unless they read your book and they listen or read my book and listen to my podcast and follow you, they don't get really what the what's happening and this to me is so dangerous because we could lose traditional America it's very possible if this continues last word I think you're exactly right bill I mean what I've done in my career is I followed the money so we lay out how much Hunter Biden got paid when he got paid what his father was doing we also look at Republicans in my book

And the simple fact of the matter is the vast majority of media, there are a few exceptions, but they're rare. The vast majority of the media is just not interested. They want to be cozy. They want to have their relationships in Washington. They want to get their leaks. So they don't want to investigate or expose what people in the political establishment are doing. And it's a tragedy.

I have enough faith in the American people that they're going to seek out alternative sources and information, but the media makes it very, very hard to do. so yeah they're not seeking the truth so the book uh is secret empire is out in paper everybody can afford it peter thanks for coming on we really appreciate it thank you for listening to the no spin news weekend edition to watch the full episodes of the no spin news visit bill o'reilly com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member that's bill o'reilly dot com sign