Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - October 5, 2024

Episode Date: October 5, 2024

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Welcome to the No Spin News Weekend Edition. Joining us now from Eugene, Oregon, is University at Oregon Journalism Professor Peter Lougham. He's a PhD, but he even more than that, he holds the James Wallace Chair in Journalism at the University of Oregon. And he has been awarded the Marshall Prize for Teaching. innovation. That's pretty good. He's got a book out that a neon Nevada about how signs have ever been to Nevada, how they influence a culture, very interesting. So he joins us now, as I said, from Eugene in Duck Land. All right, Professor, you've been around for a while. Have you seen a deterioration on the national front about reportage to the American people?

You know, Bill, it's nice to see you, and when I'm looking at the two of us, we look like the dichotomy of a caricature of the dichotomy of the country, and here you are in your elegant suit, and here I am in a pullover sweater, and you shaved this morning, and I seem to have forgotten to shave, and you mentioned your time studying in Boston. It was about the same time that I was at the University of California, Berkeley. And you just mentioned NBC News. I spent many years as an NBC News correspondent. And so to your question, is there a deterioration? And by extension to what you said before, we started talking here on camera, what's happening in journalism education, I think that we have to appreciate the reality

that we're in an entirely different media climate. And what you and I can agree on is that the divided country consumes divided media. And so if you combine questions about journalism education, which we are addressing right now, This is the first day of the term at the University of Oregon. And it's the first day of a new curriculum in the journalism school designed exactly for this issue to make sure we are preparing this next generation appropriately. And when you look at the divided country, the divided media, I think that the answer to the question that your producer posed to me when we talked about us talking together here on your show, what difference does it really make what the coverage is because we've got this divided

country looking at the right we shouldn't be we as journalists shouldn't be interested in sociology we should be interested in fact gathering and presenting facts in a fair accurate way now miss reed is not a journalist. She's an ideologue. I have no problem with that. Because, as you said, it's a divided country, you can make a lot of money talking to the choir, which they all do. Now, all of them, 100%. Everybody, including you and including me in the classroom. I try not to do that, all right? Very hard try to not do that. When I say, I believe this, I back it up with facts. That's all I ask. So when Ms. Reid totally misstates something about Donald Trump or anybody else,

doesn't NBC News have an obligation to make her correct the record? Yes or no? Well, my NBC News, a different era, certainly did. Yeah, so did my. My ABC and CBS News. And so I would hope that when errors are made, whether they are presentation errors or factual errors, they are corrected. But what's important, I believe, is to, what I missed you, what did you say? They're not corrected. I mean, it's now, it's a wildfire that's not being fought. So,

look, you go into, you go into the classroom. The problem, Bill, is greater, I think, because because society now, American society, seems intent on seeking, seeking confirmation, of their confirmation by... Absolutely. That's a low way. And so that's why... So here, this is delivered every morning on the driveway. And every morning after I read it, I am punching up Fox.

I'm looking at the likes of you. I don't necessarily agree with you. Although there are times when we agree, when we talked last, we were talking about border issues and we both agreed that the border was a disaster. We just disagreed on how to address it. But that's fine. That's fine.

None of that matters if you are a person who loves your country. You have to respect the scent. So you have the urchins pouring into your classroom. And I'm afraid, because I know this to be true in some schools, that the fact-finding gathering process is now being deep. emphasized and the ideological crusade articulated by Jim Ruttenberg in the New York Times, and I'm sure you're familiar with that column, Trump is so bad we can't be fair. We got to get them. That's what's being taught in a lot of these schools, and that's wrong. Let me let me take

this moment, Bill, to formally, on behalf of my class and I'm I'm sure plenty of my colleagues at the university invite you to come out and sit in my classroom. My first class is tomorrow of this term goes on through the middle of December. Come on out and sit in my classroom, sit quietly at first, and then I'll love to give you the podium. But sit in my classroom and see what we do. I'd rather interview. I'd like to interview some of your students, but it's not going to happen. this semester, but maybe because, you know, me, I worked in Oregon. I worked in Portland.

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I mean, then you don't have a media anymore. It's so corrupt. Why even bother? I'll give you the last word. Okay. The onus, Bill, and this is a tough assignment coming from your favorite professor. The onus is on the news consumer. The news consumer has to be sophisticated enough to avoid misinformation, disinformation, outright propaganda, and the news consumer has to be able to have the sophistication to look past the lies and to look past the absence of information and find it.

Because especially in today's environment, that's a good point. is out there. You just have to go get it because you care, not sit back and have it vomit it up at you. Okay. And it seems that's happening because the network news ratings morning, evening, late night are just in a free fall and so are the cable ratings. So people are saying, you know what, I'm tired of being lied to and I don't want propaganda and walking away. That's right. And that's why the answer to the initial question from your producer is, what difference does it make? Well, it makes a difference because there are a lot of uninformed.

Of course it does. But conceptually, what difference does it make? Because there is this absence of engagement with the sophistication of knowing what's out there and how to get it. But you have to understand. That's what we need to teach both reporters and consumers. Most people are not going to go to your class. and they're not in college graduates. And what a fascinating subject might be for a paper in your class

would be to examine Stalin and Hitler and what they did in their countries as far as the media is concerned. Okay. But look, you get ready and you get those ducks ready out there. Open invitation to you. All right. Open invitation to you. Will would probably bring a camera in there

because that would be pretty fun. Thank you, Professor. Appreciate it. You're listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. So the issue of abortion very divisive, as you know, divides families, friends. People get angry, emotional, and it's very, very touchy. There's a new book out. It's called What to Say When Your Proven Guide in the New Abortion Landscape,

How to Discuss, Clarify, and Question Abortion in a Hostel Culture. very interesting author of the book is sean carney is the CEO of a group called 40 Days for life joins us now from houston texas all right i have some simple questions i'm a simple man so you believe and i believe um i don't know what your theology is but roman catholic theology is abortion is wrong however if the life of the mother is at stake i'm not imposing my theological belief on anybody else and if there's rape or incest i'm going to the state decide that issue that's me that's my conscience when i'm discussing this with people who believe in unfettered abortion abortion for any reason at any time how should i frame my

argument because my belief system is based on a religious tenant well it can be based on science it should be based on science that's why you have so many secular people now uh that are pro-life I think that most people who support abortion do so genuinely. I think that those who represent the pro-abortion movement are horrible right now. They want abortion through 40 weeks. They want infanticide in many states. They've now removed the doctor from the abortion procedure and will allow a nurse to do it. So I think it's fair at Thanksgiving to ask your well-meaning aunt or uncle, when can they sleep at night and do the abortion?

What's the goal line? Is it 22 weeks? Is it 12 weeks? Is it six weeks? When we have a heartbeat, is it 40 weeks? If it's not 40 weeks, why not? I mean, if you want an abortion, you can get an abortion. 40 weeks is viability. Okay, so the baby can live on its own after.

But from what... That's a pretty rough standard, Bill. It's pretty rough. You got to live on your own in order to live amongst us. And most pro-abortion people don't support abortion at 40 weeks. I don't know about most. It depends where you live. So, as you know, Mr. Carney, people believe what they want to believe.

Yeah, that's it. Okay, and very hard to dissuade them if they want to believe something. So the pro-abortion people believe that a fetus is not a human being. How do you counter that? Well, I think that's shifted to where they acknowledge that it's a human being, But we just have the right to think of it. Believe me, not here where I am in New York. There's no acknowledgement that a fetus is a human being that I know of.

Bill Maher acknowledged it. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So how do you deal with a person who says the fetus is not a human being? If it's not a human being, then we can do an abortion all through nine months. And there's no issue with that. And ask them if they're okay with that.

The other thing, Bill, is to point out that we're not mutual funds. We don't gain value or dignity over time. We don't get more dignity with every week of gestation. It doesn't operate like that. We exist biologically. We come into existence and then we grow up. And that's why most people are against, you know, late-term abortion or at least uncomfortable with it because it's clear.

It's more personal. It's a baby. It's why, you know, God bless Georgia, for having a heartbeat bill. Heartbeats are good. They're natural. Do you ever use shame in your argument? Hey, it's Sean Spicer from the Sean Spicer Show podcast, reminding you to tune

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covering the political divide, but people do change their minds on abortion these days. There's so much scientific evidence, or any other issues. When I deal with pro-abortion people, I basically lay out this, that there is an alternative for it, and that's adoption. And it's hard. But from my experience as a reporter, many women who abort have emotional problems throughout their whole life and the studies show that

and I will produce those studies and say look you give your baby if you can't care for it and don't want to to someone who wants it that's nobility you destroy it and it never gets a chance to live well you put the adjective on it

and that is a pretty persuasive way to go well it is it's also that no one grows up wanting an abortion and it's very unnatural it's why you don't shame people and it's why so many women turn around at the last moment it's why you know we've helped 256 abortion workers who have had a change of heart and quit their jobs we have an abortion doctor on staff a former abortion doctor we have a former Planned Parenthood manager on staff people do change their mind it's a barbaric practice and it's something that despite 50 years of legalization, we haven't gotten over and thank goodness for that, but we're not comfortable with it. And there's a reason for that. There's a reason. I think you

might be generalizing, Mr. Carney. The media is certainly comfortable with abortion. They promote it. We have a presidential candidate who has built her career on it. All right. And those people who trust me are not going home every night going, gee, I'm doing the wrong thing. They're not because they believe what they want to believe. And so you might be underestimating the militancy of the pro-abortion lobby. I'll give you the last word. Well, I'm not underestim the militancy of the people leading the charge. Kamala, as you mentioned, is literally running on abortion, which is depressing at best, and they're making it into a sacrament. But most people don't want to hear about abortion. They don't want to talk about

abortion, whether they support it or not. And I think that you have, you know, one side of this debate that is that is rooted in science, that is rooted in compassion, and that is rooted in not celebrating the most controversial surgery we have in our land. I agree with that 100%. I'm going to give you something else if you haven't thought of it. Only three countries non-communist in the world allow late-term abortion. Only three. Okay? That is Canada, Netherlands, and Singapore. And if Kamala Harris gets elected, that would be the law of the land. If she could, She could. She's not going to be able to, as I pointed out. Supreme Court will stop it. But she would do that.

And there's a reason why only three countries, because as you use the word barbaric, you're carrying a baby at nine months and you execute that baby, that's it. The book, again, is your proven guide to the new abortion landscape, how to discuss, clarify, and question abortion in the household culture. So, Connie, good luck to you. Thank you very much for appearing tonight. the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. So polling starts a matter now, and it's all over the place. You know, if you follow the polling like we do, you know, Trump's head here, he's behind

here, and it changes from pole to poll, and you go right, your head blows off. But we focused in earlier this week on Atlas Intel. It's a poll that was the most accurate last time around 2020. All right, Atlas Intel is the smallest average era cross-pulsters of the 2020 U.S. presidential race. So it's the best or was the best. So I told myself, I want to know more about this poll because, you know, a lot of these polls are dishonest. And this one looks like it's not. So we tracked down Dr. Andre Roman. He lives in Brazil where he runs his company, which is a database products for political intelligence and economic forecasting company, not just politics, does a bunch

of stuff, and he joins us now from Porto Alegre. So Dr. Roman has a PhD from Harvard. I'm not going to hold that against you. I only have a master's degree from the Cambridge institution. But why do you think you were the most accurate last time around the USA? It was quite surprising image for us. This was the worst cycle for the U.S. polling industry in four decades, and all of our polls came within the margin of error. not just at the national level or the national popular vote, but also in each of the switch to be released well. We conduct all of our polling online.

We adopt a reverse sampling strategy. That means we don't have a panel. We always recruit new respondents. Over time, we have developed innovative strategies for sample calibration. We do this all over the world. We work in Latin America. We were also the most accurate pollsters of the last presidential election here in Brazil,

the last three cycles in Argentina, in Colombia, in Chile. Okay. So we are accepting that, that Atlas now is the one that we look to for the most accurate presentation. Now, you might be wrong this time. So I might have to make fun of you after the election. What trends are you picking up in the United States, because there's only four and a half weeks now before we vote, What trends are you picking up? There is quite significant strength for Donald Trump in the national popular vote. I know this is not something that all the polls point to. Most actually have Kamala Harris ahead.

This is not our case. We have Trump three points ahead in terms of the national popular vote. There's a huge question, though, as to how this will work out in terms of the electoral college. I think we all remember the midterms and the red wave that kind of failed to materialize itself. There was actually a significant improvement for Republicans. They scored 2.8 points ahead of Democrats, but that was not helpful in terms of the balance with the seeds, as they would have expected. So one thing I would point to this is that major states like New York, California, where Democrats have significant trouble in terms of governor approval, there's also a corruption scandal in New York City, well, that's really going to affect Democrats in terms of the national vote, but that doesn't really matter for the Electoral College. And what happens in the Electoral College, for example, is that a place in Carolina, which generally, you know, is considered a lean Republican state, right now doesn't look that grade because of, well, the gubernatorial race there.

So it will be very tight in terms of the results in some of the swing states. Trump, in our numbers, is better than with most pollsters. But, you know, I wouldn't say this election has already been won. This will be very tight in some of the really important states. Okay. And then if it is tight, then you're going to have accusations of fraud. You know that's coming because that's the culture that we live in here, very intense. So at this point in 2020, because it's worth considering this, each candidate on the Democratic side is very similar.

Biden was similar to Harris. They both didn't want to answer questions, didn't put them out much. Is there a difference between the way Trump is running now and when he ran four years ago? I do see differences in terms of how Trump is running his campaign. I think that rejection rates for Trump this time around are a bit less intense than last time. a novelty anymore as he used to be in the US scenario. So in particular with moderate Republicans that were kind of averse to his profile,

an important swing states in Georgia and Arizona last time around. Now with a border crisis, for example, in Arizona, that may have improved, right? At the same time with the Democratic ticket, you're looking at a ticket that with Biden very little chance because of very poor approval ratings. Kamala has really shifted the race. But at the end of the day, the approval rating for this administration is quite poor in terms of,

you know, a re-election chances for the incumbent president. And in this case, given that we're talking about the vice president. Yeah, I'm going to check in with you before the vote. And we appreciate your expertise down there in Brazil. Very interesting that a Brazil, polling agency, tops all the American ones, that's for sure. Thank you, doctor. Appreciate it very much. Thank you for listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. To watch the full episodes of the No Spin News, visit Bill O'Reilly.com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member.

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