Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - September 21, 2024

Episode Date: September 21, 2024

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Welcome to the No Spin News Weekend Edition. All right, latest data, of course, before the Trump incident yesterday, ABC News poll, fair poll, 29 Republican, 29 Democrat, 30 independent, who are you going to vote for? Harris 51, Trump 47, someone else 2%. All right. This is close. It's four points, but it's close. But Trump is not leading in any of the polls. Now, outside, I think, of Trafalgar, which leans Republican, but there's been a ship, and that's not good, six weeks before the vote. Join us now is one of the best political analysts in the country.

You know I'm Doug Shone. His book, Politics of Life, My Road to the Middle of a Hostel and Adversarial World is a is out in the marketplace and you should pick it up if you are interested in politics and an honest assessment of them. So the reason I ask for you that is trends. I don't believe, I think the polls are emotional at this point and I don't think that people should lock them in. Maybe a month from now would do that. But the trend is away from Trump, but not for Harris. That's my analysis as an amateur, all right? I'm not seeing people go, oh, I got to have that Kamala in office.

How do you see it? Bill, I think your talking points today were exactly right. They want Trump's policies. They have doubts about Trump. They're moving to Harris because she's had a successful launch, has very little to do with substance, only to do with vibes, energy, joy, take whatever phrase you want,

and Donald Trump, for whatever reason, has moved away from issues, from governance, and from the future, and that has cost him two, three, four points that he otherwise didn't need to lose. Why do you think he's doing that? Do you have any idea at all? I don't. I think, you know, I used to work for him 30-odd years ago,

so I spent a lot of time with him a long time ago. I found with him both observing and working with him, if he's distracted or if he's off his game, there's a tendency he has to go off on tangents. I think that's what's happening now, but your advice is about as sound advice as I could give, and I've said it to people in his campaign. I've said it publicly,

but he doesn't seem to be getting the message. Yeah, I don't know why either. I haven't spoken with him. He texted me, oh, two weeks ago, maybe, very short. I think he's mad at me because I'm not like some of the other broadcasters in his camp who, you know, they don't dissent about anything he does. And I am an honest broker of information here. I think that sometimes he sees that as criticism.

And, you know, I understand that. I'm criticizing the way he's personalizing things, because I don't know if I were in the room with him or if he were on the other side of this television camera like you are, I would say, what good does it do to say, I hate Swift? None at all, Bill. None at all. It doesn't do any good. It mobilizes your MAGA base, all right, and maybe they'll get a chuckle out of it, but you already got

them, all right? And you're trying to widen. You get 74 million votes in 2020. Enormous amount of votes, more than any Republican has ever gotten. But you still didn't win. And you need to win this time around. And you have so much more opportunities. So Biden was running on, he was the VP, he hid in his basement, nobody knew.

But Harris is a radical. I mean, she is a radical leftist. So you've got much easier opponent now. And you're still not honing in on her danger rather than her skin color and all this other crazy stuff. And I don't know why. He's a smart guy, Trump. I don't know why he doesn't get

the message. Bill, there's a very simple campaign message for him. Inflation cost of living out of control. Southern border, been open millions of migrants and on crime which migrants have certainly

increased. Tomla Harris has been a far left radical to fund the police. cashless bail, and non-violent crimes, no penalties. That's all he needs to talk about and say he's for taxed, and he's for increasing tax. Well, and overseas, too. Yes, oh, absolutely. Americans are very worried about that.

I don't think his staff is giving him really great advice, or I could be wrong, and he's just not taking it. But I had a line, and if he does debate Kamala Harris again, which I think he should. at this point. And I'm harking back to my book, confronting the president. So Ronald Reagan turned it around in 1984, as you know, because Reagan had a terrible debate against Bondale, number one, and number two, waxed them. But all Trump had to stay about the migrant thing rather than this crazy and sane eating dogs and cats was, you know, David Muir, before I answer that question tonight, I would like to apologize to the family of Lake and Riley on behalf of the United States of America for letting you down and failing to protect your college age order

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Bill, empathy and compassion tied with real world outcomes is what people want to hear about. Not the extreme rhetoric, not the hate, not the polarization. And indeed, the advice that you were suggesting, and I would underscore, Trump should come back to the unity message. He should talk about ending division in polarization. and say, that's his central focus going forward because Harris is trying to do it as a far-left radical, as you put it.

And frankly, Trump has a argument to make, but he's not made it. See, I disagree with you a little on that. I wouldn't go for the unity stuff because nobody's going to really buy that. I want Donald Trump, if he's elected, to fare it out all this corruption as far as a federal government is concerned.

I want a better leadership in the FBI, the Secret Service, and all of these agencies. Unity doesn't mean tolerating corruption. I don't want any kumbaya. I want Trump to call the media. No, I'm not talking kumbaya. I'm saying working systematically on our problems, people of goodwill across the aisle to get inflation down, close the southern border, and be tough on crime. Yeah, that's efficiency rather than.

than unity. See, I don't think at this point anybody's going to buy any unity. They all know that Trump has gotten host to the extent only Abraham Lincoln has was put through more than Trump. And that if Trump wins, he should clean it up. Okay, one more question for you. Sure, please.

I don't think predicting the election here today in the middle of September is an honest way to go about. things because there's just every single day. But I do believe that Kamala Harris's support is very thin among working Americans, not ideologues, not Democrats, not Union people, leaders, whatever, it's very thin. And that could Trump could turn that around fairly quickly. Do you agree? I completely agree. Hillary Clinton and Biden were five, six points ahead of of Trump in 2016 and 2020.

The election in both cases, as everyone knows, was very close. Kamla Harris has not made any substantive efforts to talk about her program or what she hopes to do other than platitudes. Trump can close the deal. He can make the case. But so far, Bill, for whatever reason,

he hasn't done it. And he hasn't shown signs of understanding that he needs the mid-course correction that you so wisely spoke up. All right. Thanks, Doug. The book again is Politics of Life, My Road to the Middle of a hostile and adversarial world, Doug Schell. Bill, thank you. We'll talk soon. You're listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. Joining us on from Houston, Texas is Dr. Randall Smith. He is a professor of theology at the University of St. Thomas in Houston. So first of all, my analysis, did I make any mistakes as

far as you know? No, I mean, essentially, I mean, people might have described dogma and doctrine somewhat differently, but you've essentially, it seems to me, gotten the distinction right. Some things are infallible or what's sometimes called irreformable teachings and other things don't have that. They can be serious teachings, need to be taken seriously, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're infallible. Now, the Pope can give his opinion on politics. There's nothing standing in the way of him doing that, but he doesn't seem to understand, and I've followed him, the downside of mass migration. Even though in Italy, it's a huge problem, as it is throughout Europe, with one exception, Malta, which just doesn't permit it. So with the Pope, would you say he's being

naive, avoiding the unintended consequences of mass migration? Well, that may be, but, you know, to be fair, a little bit fair to the Pope, the question he was asked by the reporter was, with the U.S. elections coming up, what advice would you give a Catholic voter, faced with a candidate who supports ending a pregnancy, didn't say abortion or killing a child. And another who wants to deport 11 million migrants, didn't say illegal immigrants, didn't talk about me. And so that's the question you're faced with.

And the Pope said, well, abortion is murder. Don't be wrong about that. And then, of course, he said everybody should be kind to migrants, et cetera, et cetera. So which both are true. No, but he was stronger on the migrant front. He said it was a sin. And he has in the past. So the question doctor comes down to is Pope Francis naive.

Does he not know, all right, the evil that can happen when you have unregulated migration? And all you have to do is point to the gangs coming up from Venezuela, El Salvador, other people, Americans being murdered, rape, terrorized, whole communities and disarray, fiscal collapses everywhere. I mean, the list is endless. And Francis does not seem to be dialed into that, or am I wrong? No, I think you're right. I mean, again, it's unfortunate when he does these little, you know, pressers on the airplane, it doesn't give him a chance to be more detailed. He's got to know.

He has to at this point, how volatile the situation is. Now, he uses the word lesser of two evils, all right? And in my message of the day, which we sent to you, I use myself as an example, okay? Because Cardinal Dolan came to me years ago, a few years ago, and asked me to finance homes for migrants. And I did. But I didn't ask whether they were undocumented. or not, because that wasn't the subject. Subject was helping the poor, which I'm compelled to do as a Catholic.

I didn't get into the politics of it. But my job as a commentator is to make sure that Americans understand abortion is far different than opposing unregulated migration, which I do. I don't think I'm committing a sin by asking the U.S. federal government to enforce immigration law. I don't think I'm committing a sin by doing that. Do you think the Pope would say that I am? Well, I don't know whether the Pope would say that,

but he would not be in accord with Catholic teaching if he said that, right? Again, there are honest people of goodwill who can disagree about what to do about the immigration issue, but on the abortion issue where you're quite right, it's contrary to the natural law and the divine law, and you'd have to say, as the Pope does,

murder. So if you want to read that statement of his about the lesser of two evils, he would be clearly saying, as you just did, that you would have to preempt, make abortion, the preeminent issue. It's much more defined than the other. So 49% of American Catholics, and I was surprised by the number, 39 million, a big number that voted in 2020. But 49% of those voted for the Democrats, Joe Biden. And Joe Biden doesn't want any restrictions on abortion either. I mean, you never, ever come up. And as you know, some bishops have denied the president communion. They believe he's aiding and abetting abortion. And I do too. It's wrong to make judgments. I understand. understand that. But politically, I think he's aiding and abetting abortion. My Catholic friends

who support Biden, and I know many of them, I just look at them. I go, how can you do this? Hey, I'm Caitlin Becker, the host of the New York Postcast, and I've got exactly what you need to start your weekdays. Every morning, I'll bring you the stories that matter, plus the news people actually talk about, the juicy details in the worlds of politics, business, pop culture, and everything in between. It's what you want from the New York Post wrapped up in one snappy show. Ask your smart speaker to play the NY Postcast podcast. Listen and subscribe on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Power, politics, and the people behind the headlines.

I'm Miranda Devine, New York Post columnist, and the host of the brand new podcast, Podforce One. Every week, I'll sit down for candid conversations with Washington's most powerful disruptors, lawmakers, newsmakers, and even the President of the United States. These are the leaders shaping the future of America and the world. Listen to Podforce One with me, Miranda Devine, every week on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. You don't want to miss an episode. They have no answer, Doctor. I have never gotten a cogent answer from a Catholic who voted for Joe Biden about that subject. Have you? No. No, and I've written about this several times. The same

sort of thing. I mean, I hate to be the person who agrees with you completely, but the point is I've written repeatedly that if you were living in Germany, for example, in 1936, the issue would be what they're doing to the Jews. And tax policy or, you know, personalities would not enter into it. You would have to vote against people who are doing certain things to Jews. And if you lived in the United States during the time of Jim Crow or during the time of slavery, whatever your other policies might be, you would have had to vote against slavery. And we're in that situation. I just think people don't take it seriously that, as the Pope says, you're terminating a human life.

This is killing a human life. I think there's something else in play for the Catholic vote. Most Catholics don't go to mass anymore. The polls show that. It's about maybe a quarter, a 10-weekly Mass. And there are many American Catholics baptized in the faith who have no idea what the faith says. None. And they don't care.

We call them secular Catholics. I think that's probably the dominant group right now in the American Catholic Church. Would I be wrong? Well, I don't know in the church as a whole, but you're undoubtedly right. So that, for example, when surveys of this sort are done, of people who have been to Mass, right, in the last week or the last two weeks, the results tend to be very different, right? Then you see a large support, I mean, well, a large support for Trump, but, I mean, a tremendous

vote the other way for people who are pro-life candidates. So a lot of people check themselves in the box as Catholic, but don't really go to Mass or don't really believe in the church's teaching. They just sort of think it's like, well, I was born Jewish and now I'm Jewish, and it's not quite that way, but many people sort of think that way. We might call them ethnically Catholic, if such a term existed. I think that's what's going on here, and they don't really even understand. Final question. When you have any discussion like this about religion, the church and state thing comes in. So I go to Mass every Sunday because I can't get behind and atoning. If I get

behind and atoning, I'm through. You know, I have to keep current. in that. But I never hear, and I travel widely, ever a priest having a discussion like you and I are having right now, ever. They never apply the theology to the election or to what's going on. Now, I understand you can't endorse a candidate. You'll violate your tax-free status if you do that. I mean, it happens all the time in other religions, but it doesn't happen very much. The priests are frightened. now, generally speaking, to make any kind of relevance to today what's happening. Again, am I wrong on that? Well, there I have to, I hate to disagree with you, you know.

Sorry, you can disagree with me. That's why you have you are on. There I, yeah, I have heard any number of homilies, actually, about the evils of abortion. Nobody has said, oh, so vote for this candidate, but then a lot of people, in the congregation said he was being political. I don't think those priests were being political. Actually, I knew a priest up at Notre Dame who said, I just read today that Joe Biden has never heard a homily against abortion,

and he said, well, here's one, and he gave one, right? I actually have heard a good number of homilies against abortion. You got to send me to the addresses of the churches, because I have never heard it address. I hear, yeah, let's get out there and rally for life and all that, but I never hear it applied to a reality. And you remember in Notre Dame when they invited Barack Obama to get the honor, you know, because Obama was a big abortion guy too, what kind of controversy that caused.

Doctor, we really appreciate the discussion. Thank you very much for helping it out today. This is the No Spin News Weekend Edition. There is an organization called America First Legal. It's founded by some Trump people, all right, conservative legal nonprofit. It is now suing district attorney Alvin Brad, trying to get to the bottom of what the deuce is going on. Joining us now from Atlanta, Georgia, Gene Hamilton, America First, legal executive director. So have I laid this out accurately, first of all.

Absolutely, Bill, and thank you for having me on. You have painted the picture precisely as it is. Why do you believe color of change, a New York City-based organization that took credit for the Trump prosecutions? Why do you believe they were going to the White House? Look, the White House is rewarding its political allies, on the one hand, by inviting. them to different events, different meetings, get updates, let us know how things are going, and, of course, to take feedback from them. There's all kinds of other conversations that are probably happening behind the scenes. Now, look, you pointed out exactly what color of change put on their website, which is where they say that they take credit for getting Alvin Bragg

in office. And of course, then they applaud when Alvin Bragg indicts the former president of the United States. It doesn't take too many logical inferences and steps in the mind of any American at home, any reasonable American to try to connect these dots to say, hey, wait a second, they said that they work to elect this guy. They are proud that he's in office. And then Alvin Bragg indicts him, something that the office previously refused to do. And then they're also visiting the White House. Now, mind you, of course, overriding all of this is the other connection of Matthew Colangelo, who was the number three DOJ attorney at the beginning of the Biden administration, then leaving the Department of Justice and going to work for Alvin Bragg.

Everyone knows something stinks here, and so we're going to try to get to the bottom of it for the American people. So how do you do that? So we submitted a bunch of open records requests in New York to demand information that the public is entitled to under law. Of course, Alvin Bragg's office, you would imagine, refuse to comply. So we've now sued to enforce to grab some of these records so that we can examine them and present them to the American people so that they can see them themselves. Things like emails with outside groups, things like emails about the investigation, things like calendar entries, all kinds of other things. You can paint a good picture here

and you can get at least some idea as to what's happening behind the scenes. Because if you take a step back bill, if we think about the United States in the year 2024, no one, if you would ask someone 40 years ago about this scenario, if you had painted it as a hypothetical about some liberal prosecutor running on indicting a former president of the United States and then executing on it and then all the coordination that's happening with the current administration and all these outside groups, you would shake your head. You'd say, this is outrageous. This is even worthy of a movie script. But here we are today. And no one else is, making these connections. No one else is suing to get these records. No one else is doing this

hard work. So we're going to do everything in our power to try to expose what's happening behind the scenes that everyone else sees the fruits of on the front pages. Has any media covered this? Anybody called you? Look, that none of the mainstream media seems to want to pay attention. That's what I thought. I haven't seen it anywhere myself. How do, how could you get the reason that Rashad Randall went to the White House 16 times. Is impossible to get that why he was invited there 16 times? It's probably going to be a combination of some publicly accessible information through other sources. And then, you know, some of this is just going to be a matter of using common sense and making logical inferences.

Just like any jury, fair-minded jury, can do at a trial, you are allowed to make logical inferences based on the facts that are presented to you. And when you have someone from an organization that goes to the White House 16 times, and we're not talking about 16 times to go on an East Wing tour and, you know, check out the blue room or the red room or whatever else. These are 16 appointments with like the president and the vice president. So there's got to be a reason. But I'm trying to rack in my mind, if I'm a journalist, I can't get. executive privilege is what Biden's going to shroud over you.

I don't have to tell you anything, all right? And then I guess you could sue color or change, but you've got to have a reason to do that. And just because they went to the White House, it doesn't give you a reason to sue them. So how are you going to find out what the cause and effect was? What were they talking about? Why was the guy going down there from New York to Washington?

I don't know how you get through that wall. Yeah, look, it's, Bill, you bring up a very critical issue. It can be difficult sometimes to find that magic bullet, that golden nugget, that tiny piece of information that ties it all together, and that at least gives you something to go on so that you can go and ask the hard questions, and you can go and do more investigations. And look, there's other investigative agencies, you know, whether it's in states or elsewhere, that might have an interest in what's happening and what's taking place. Not unless Trump wins.

Here, let me give you a suggestion. The congressional committees are the way to go here. So if you can present evidence to Comer or the other heads of the committees, all Republicans, and only four or seven more weeks, you only got seven, they could call. okay, Randall to Washington to testify about what the deuce he was doing there. That's the only way I can see where the public would then get an inkling that something's wrong, because something is wrong. Does that make sense? Absolutely. Yeah, you're 100% right, Bill. Look, the congressional committees have unique power and authority to conduct oversight into areas

just like this one. So they could absolutely do some further exploration. Do some documents, subpoenas, get some other things, call folks in. Tom O'Reilly told you to call, call Jordan, the Oversight Committee guy, and say, look, we got this. It got to get out there, and that would help the Republicans before the election. It would absolutely help them, would it not? Well, look, I think it would help anyone if you get information. No, no, but you got Harris. You got Harris meeting with the most radical group in the country.

You got her four times. What was the meeting? That can affect the election. Absolutely, Bill. You're 100% right. All right. If you do that, will you let us know? We'll bring you back and we'll see if we can't get this campaign up and running because it has to be done.

We the people need to know what this was. It's George Soros controlling the government now. And I don't think Trump even knows about this. I mean, maybe he does, but he should be concentrating on it. This is corrupt. And this corruption can be exposed. So you're doing good work, Mr. Hamilton. We can be of assistance.

You'll let us know, keep us posted, and go to the committee rookies. They can get it up and running fast. And this is a lot more important than Hunter Biden and all that. This is vital, vitally important. We appreciate it. We'll talk soon. I hope. Thank you.

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