Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - September 27, 2025

Episode Date: September 27, 2025

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Welcome to the No Spin News Weekend Edition. I'm not at the level of Erica Kirk. I have a hard time with this, and I'm going to play a sound bite from the president in a moment who he and I are on the same wavelength here. I have a very hard time forgiving evil unless there's repentance. So in my book, Confronting Evil, none of the things. 15 miscreants ever showed any sign of remorse for their horrible, horrible deeds. I don't know about this guy in Utah. You know, we don't have access to him.

But after he shot and killed Charlie Kirk, there was no thread go, what did I do, or anything like that. I have a hard time. I've talked about this to Catholic theologians at a very high level. I said, look, I'm supposed to forgive Hitler, I'm supposed to forgive Mao, I'm supposed to forgive Stalin, the slavers, the robber barons, the assassins, Lee Arbriadlong, and they don't repent. There's no, I'm sorry. If you're a Christian and somebody asks you for forgiveness that I'm sorry, you have to forgive him. We have to resign because that's the theology. but if they don't and they continue

their evil ways and the only reason that this assassin can't do more damage is because he's incarcerated. What do you do? But again, I am not as benevolent a person as Erica Kirk.

So then the president picked up on that and now his speech was written for him, as almost every president does. But he had lived this part, roll of tape. In that private moment on his dying day, we find everything we need to know about who Charlie Kirk truly was. He was a missionary with a noble spirit and a great, great purpose. He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them

I'm sorry I am sorry Erica but now Erica can talk to me and the whole group and maybe they can convince me that that's not right but I can't stand my opponent well he's an honest guy anyway you know and again I got a list

you know I got a list and boy and I know that Donald Trump people try to destroy him and his family very very hard but that goes back to

Mrs. Kirk the president then picked up on the legacy what does this all mean for the country will it we owe Charles

Charlie, a profound and eternal debt of gratitude now, just like Charlie and Erica made turning point hot. We are looking at a country that has the chance to attain a level like never before. Tariffs are making us rich again, richer than anybody ever thought was possible. And the only one challenge in them are people that hate our country or foreign countries that are paying a price because they did the same thing to us for years they took advantage of us well it's negatively political and again some people objected but i'm saying okay i understand the objection but it's perfectly in the context to what charlie kirk did and he lost his life

because he spoke out on policy. So Mr. Kirk was killed because of his political point of view. And so when you have a president there knows the world is listening, he's going to reinforce that point of view because he knows that everybody in the arena is on his side and Charlie Kirk's side. Would I have done it probably a little differently? but it was not out of context, as some people are saying, in my opinion. So, again, the legacy will be the conservative Christian movement, will become more powerful,

particularly because Erica Kirk is now in charge and an extraordinary woman, that's for sure, and that's the memo. Let's bring in a guy who saw it all. He was there. Leland Vitterd is an anchorman on News Nation, and he was. as the chief anchorman for that network covering the memorial. You must have seen some things that you weren't expecting. Yeah, for sure.

For sure, Bill. And your producer emailed me for this hit and said that you want to discuss the stuff I picked up on that folks at home didn't get to see. The number one thing that folks at home didn't get to see that we saw, was as President Trump became nakedly political and as he said, I hate my opponents and on and on and on, people started walking out

and not a few. Tonight on my program on News Nation, I will show you the video of the stands emptying as Trump went on and turned this in to a rally speech. And I think what it shows

is that for as much as President Trump understands his crowd, and look, following Erica Kirk was unbelievably hard. But he just did not understand the moment. How many? So there were, what, 70,000 inside? By the end of Trump's speech, it was less than half full, maybe even a third full.

It was a stunning rebuke of President Trump. And I think you have to realize that stadium was filled for Charlie Kirk. Donald Trump's done a lot of things. He has never filled the football stadium with overflow, and Charlie Kirk did. And I think this brings us to understanding the difference between Turning Point USA and the organization that Charlie Kirk created and what they believe in and the politics of Donald Trump. Now, you can say very easily, well, look, Trump's just incapable of not being the center of attention, of not being the most important person in the room,

that may be something to it. But there was a squandering, I think, by President Trump of the moment in just not understanding what the crowd needed at that time. Do you think you got it back afterward with the embrace of Erica Kirk and the sympathy that he showed to her? And the second question I would have

would be if you have a memorial based upon a man who was assassinated because of his political beliefs, shouldn't those beliefs be highlighted? See, that's why I didn't have any problem with what Donald Trump was saying. I wouldn't as I said, I would have said a little bit differently. I wish I had written a speech. But I didn't have any trouble because that's the essence of this whole thing that Charlie Kirk lost his life because he espoused certain things and they're compatible with President Trump. Well, a couple of things to that. One, Charlie Kirk was the first person who was able to merge politics and faith. So many had tried to turn a faith movement to a political movement in America. He did it. And I'm not an analyst or a partisan or a guy with

opinions. I'm a journalist. And I don't think it really matters whether people think they should be able to or it makes sense or, you know, the views were compatible. The crowd spoke with their feet. When Donald Trump did that, he lost the audience. Okay. I mean, I had folks calling me at home saying, what is going on here? And the idea, I think, that, you know, Erica Kirk gave that speech, you had that moment and you said something else you couldn't pick up on. When she said that I forgive, I forgive my husband's assassin, I've never been in a room, a room, a football stadium that you felt the emotion, the physical response of, I sort of wanted to throw up, I sort of wanted to cry, I had admiration, I'm still emotional thinking about that moment. And the fact that

then Donald Trump walks out and goes, hey, Lee Greenwood, nobody can sing it like you. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war, shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver. Thoreau, the only dealer I trust, American Hartford gold. And you can do this. get precious metals delivered to your door or place in a tax advantage gold IRA.

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Every weekday morning, I'll break down the headlines that matter to you and the stories you're going to want to talk to your friends about. It's a mix of politics, business, pop culture, basically everything you expect from the New York Post. Ask your smart speaker to play the NY Postcast podcast, listen and subscribe on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. What are you doing? Well, I didn't see. I think it'd be a little harsh on Trump on that one. I think what he wanted to do, because I know him so well, and I know how he prepares for this kind of stuff. I think he wanted to basically get on the side of Erica Kirk, get on her side, and then say, as I said, in the lead up to this interview, look, Erica Trump is a better person than I am. I can't do it. Erica Kirk. I'm sorry, Erica Kirk is a better person than I am. I can't bring that level of forgiveness. I thought that was a good moment for Trump.

You know, look, I thought the embracing her was a great moment. He should have done it at the beginning. That's what the crowd needed. So I'm just telling you from being in the room that when he came out and did the whole Lee Greenwood thing, it just didn't work. It felt like a rally. This wasn't a rally. I got it. I think it's a valid point.

You did not want it to feel like a rally. But it's so hard, just keep this in mind. And I'll talk about this on your show. tonight because I'm going to be on with Leland at 9 on News Nation. When you lose your life because of your political beliefs leader, whether it's Martin Luther King, Jr., whether it's Bobby Kennedy, whether it's John F. Kennedy, when you lose your life, that's what took his life. Somebody reinforcing those beliefs to a crowd that may not. know. Remember, a lot of people didn't know Charlie Kirk. They don't know what

that's true. That's true. But remember, he's playing worldwide here. Yeah, Bill, I hear you. Just as I've, I've not covered politics as long as you have, but from my sort of covering of the movement and the people, he missed the moment to hold people's hand and to say, I feel your pain and I feel your loss. And we can all learn from you, Erica. And I'll put it another way. Just, just raw politics here. Donald Trump never filled the football stadium. Charlie Kirk did. The power of Turning Point USA to pull together a 100,000 person event in a week was stunning. Yeah. They were all the media. So they did all this. That organization's got serious power and serious staying power. And I think you run the risk

of squandering this moment to merge MAGA and Turning Point USA. That was the moment that Trump had. But that's not what he does. He, John Trump, lives in the moment. He's not thinking about that. But here's something interesting. The criticism of Trump, after the memorial service ended, on the networks and MS and CNN, was muted.

He was muted. Everybody was told to tone it down because they would have opened up. Even on the view today and a few of the others, they didn't come after him the way they might have. Yeah, look, I think we're in a different moment politically because of one, these networks have seen the backlash that has happened. with their viewership. Two, they've seen the backlash that's happened corporately. And the threat of that and the feeling about that is very real.

I didn't watch the coverage. I was sort of doing our. Do you have to trust me on that one. I got it. I got the stats here once we banish you. I'm going to read them. But anyway, look, I understand what your point of view is. I have a see it a little bit.

bit differently. Yeah, I understand. But I'll just give you, I'll give you this last thing to think about is this is what the conservative movement in America is going to be. And I think you saw a two-path turning point, if you will, or an inflection point here, of does MAGA become turning point, which has this very deep faith-based discussion. right uh and basis or do they remain separate now i don't i can't that's that's the inflection nobody nobody can predict i will tell you this if erika kirk decides to run for higher office

she'll win well that's what i always said about her husband right that if if her husband yeah she is her husband would have been president or a nominee all right lila we'll see you tonight You're listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. All right, here's the underreported story of the year. So there is testimony going on in the House Oversight Committee. That's Comer, okay, James Comer, about whether President Biden was actually running the country while he was in the Oval Office, because then are questions about he might not even been making the decisions. That's how far gone he was. And they had the chief of staff,

Jeff Zintz, in there on September 18th, a couple of days ago, Friday. So joining us now from Washington is a reporter for the Washington Examiner, who's actually been covering the proceedings here, Caelin Dease, while many other reporters and news organizations are kind of ignoring this. Is that surprise you, Caitlin, that hasn't gotten more traction in this story? Well, I wish it didn't surprise me, but it entirely does because everything about what Democrats have said during these investigations that the House Overs Committee has been doing is constantly just questioning or telling the press not to look back in the past. Don't believe your lying eyes about everything that you saw the last four years of the Biden administration. And the

press seems to be sort of going along with that the full way through. Meanwhile, you have no sense of hesitation to go through and cover some of the retrospective parts of the Biden administration, whether it be the Jake Tapper collaborative book, Original Sen, or Kamala Harris' upcoming book. But it's ironic because those books and those retellings of 2024 are kind of getting exactly to the point of what the Oversight Committee is finding in these investigations. And, you know, at first, you know, there was a little bit of a comment from here and there and certain political aides. Then in the middle of these investigations, we got silence from people pleading the Fifth Amendment, including Biden's doctor. And that all sort of hit an apex this last

Friday or the last week with Jeff Zions whenever he gave his full-threaded testimony and really showed kind of the reason why a lot of these people in Biden's inner circle did plead the fifth because he didn't really hold back. He really sort of kind of contended with the fact that Biden was declining in the final years of this was one of the few. Now, the only crime would be if they actively misled, you know, you could prosecute there. I don't expect that to happen. What surprised you? Give me two things that you assembled about these hearings that surprised you the most. Give me two. Well, the most surprising thing from this most recent hearing was whenever science basically explained that Hunter Biden was sitting in on several of these meetings about

pardons that inclemency acts that the president was doing in this final days in office. The other thing that didn't necessarily come from the hearings but was sort of spurred up as part of the hearings was whenever the oversight project was able to subpoena records from the DOJ that showed that there was a high-ranking deputy there and there that was basically raising caution to the White House about the way that some of these, you know, clemency proposals were phrased, talking about how this phrasing that it was going to be for nonviolent offenders, this deputy in the DOJ was able to point out there were 16 of clemency acts that were given to former incarcerated people that were actually, you know, violent cases that they just

were given clemency as part of the sweeping orders that the president was doing. But I don't think anybody believes that Biden knew what those clemency orders were. The auto pen just did his job for him, and that was that. That's what I believe. Do you believe that? I think that we are getting to a clearer picture from the Oversight Committee that they're going to be able to show that there were multiple occasions whenever senior aides contradicted themselves when they said that they believed Biden was fit to serve another four years, when behind the scenes they were scrambling and creating. accommodations for the fact that Biden was not looking good in public. And so I think that what we're getting to is a report that the Oversight Committee is going to put out. And I think that if they have any information that they haven't divulged yet,

it's going to show exactly that Biden didn't know everything that he was doing and be able to present the case that maybe he wasn't privy to any of the clemency acts that he was. We know that he wasn't. Yeah, he wasn't signing off on individual clemency acts. Okay. Okay, Carolyn's Santa Case. We really appreciate you time, time. Thank you.

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So he wants to get his enemies, no doubt about it. You want to be honest. And we do, of course. So there are three cases against people that Donald Trump despises. One is Senator Schiff in California. The other is New Attorney General, Letitia James. and then final, a former FBI director James Comey. There they are.

All three have tortured Donald Trump, tried to destroy him and his family, and now Trump is coming after them. So there was a U.S. attorney in Virginia, Eric Seibert, who was in charge of James and Comey, and Trump fired him because apparently he wasn't moving fast enough or didn't want a move or something. I don't know exactly what Mr. Seiber did wrong, but he's fired, replaced by Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Lindsay Halligan, 36 years old from Colorado. She worked in Florida with the president. She is the new attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. Now, again, she's going to do what Donald Trump suggests, but she can't manufacture

her evidence. She can't, but she can't aggressively investigate. These things are very murky. So Adam Schiff, he apparently has a house in Maryland that he's not doing. He's saying that he lives there, but he doesn't live there. And Letitia James, the same thing. She has a house in Virginia and she said it was her primary residence, but it's not a primary residence. And Comey, it's all about lying about the Russian collusion investigation. Those are the three charges that are swirling. All right. So on Adam Schiff, here's what President Trump said. Go. I stay out of it purposely. But it's mortgage loan fraud. It's a big deal. He defrauded banks and insurance companies and the federal government. But it's very simple. It's mortgage loan fraud. And you're right.

It's a lot of people to live in a one-bedroom apartment, right? But he put it down, but he has a lot of other things far worse than that. So, no, Adam Schiff, they have him 100% on mortgage fraud. Well, I don't know whether they have 100% because he would be indicted then, but that's a Maryland play. As far as Letitia James, it's kind of the same situation with a mortgage deal. Roll it. Well, I don't know what it is currently, but Letitia James, who's the Attorney General of New York State, it seemed, I'm not involved in that at all.

I know that it's being handled by various groups, I guess, but it's major fraud, mortgage documents, and fraudulent everything. All right. So, I mean, he says he's not involved, but Donald Trump's monitoring, as you know he is. And joining us now from Tulsa, Oklahoma, is a former U.S. Attorney. Attorney. for the Northern District of Oklahoma under Donald Trump in his first term, Trent Shores. Why do you think Eric Seiberd in Virginia was fired? Listen, when you sign up to be a United States attorney, you serve at the pleasure of the president. So you know going into that job that you may be forced into situations where you have to make a decision.

In this case, I don't know that we publicly know enough. facts to know why Mr. Cyber was removed from his position, but that is a power that the president enjoys. He is the leader of the executive branch. He can set priorities. He can give direction. The one thing that the president doesn't do, as he's, you know, as he knows, is make charging decisions. That ultimately is left up to the United States attorney and to the officials at DOJ. Okay. But you have to assume that cyber. was reporting to Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, and Pam Bonney was reporting to Trump, and Trump did not like the way this investigation was being handled.

I mean, that's 100%, right? Yeah, I don't know that we know it's 100% that the president didn't like how the investigation was being handled. I think what the president is wanting are charges brought sooner. He believes that based on what he knows, it certainly seems that he thinks there is a case that is provable beyond a reasonable doubt. We have to remember, we don't know what evidence, Mr. Cybert or his team of investigators have a symbol.

But there is no question that there is an investigation ongoing. A mortgage fraud case, Bill, it's a white collar case. These aren't always quick or swift investigations. They're document-laden and intensive. So it could be that they just haven't reached an ultimate conclusion yet whether to bring charges. Okay, well, I think that is the case, but Cybert was displeasing President Trump because he's one out of what? How many U.S. attorneys are there? There's hundreds across the country, and he singled out for a firing.

Now, when you were the U.S. attorney in Oklahoma, what did you have to do on high-profile cases? Did you have to call Bill Barr, the Attorney General? keep him up the speed? How does that work? Sure. That's a great question because a lot of folks don't know. You are empowered as a presidentially appointed and Senate confirmed United States attorney to make those tough calls. But again, you don't do so in isolation. We look to the Justice Manual, which is our sort of insider handbook that provides us guidelines and policies. And when you have a high profile case like that, you are going to coordinate, of course, with the Office of the Attorney General.

In my case, that was Bill Barr and that was Jeff Sessions. You're also going to work closely with the Deputy Attorney General to ensure that what you're doing is in accordance with department policy. Yeah, and they want to know, too. So when Trump asked them, or Biden or whatever president, they can say this is where it is, this is how they're going, and this is the odds of indictment on and on and on. But I would assume that there are some U.S.

attorneys that get cases they don't like. And they kind of slow walk it, right? I don't know that there are U.S. attorneys, in my experience, bill, that will slow walk a case if they have been presented with their job by that particular president. I don't think any prosecutor becomes a prosecutor because they don't want to prosecute cases. But what about the politics of it? I mean, you know, not, I wouldn't say in Oklahoma, that would be a major factor where you are. But certainly in Washington, D.C., my God, there's politics and everything there. So if this guy cyberd, if his whole world is, you know, anti-Trump, which is absolutely possible, and he doesn't want to really bring charges against Comey and who he probably knows,

right? Comey, you have to know him. And James, then he's kind of kind of like, well, you know, you know how it goes. You can peddle to the medal or you can just give it to your 15th guy, right? Listen, there's no doubt that it's a political appointment, but I think you see that U.S. attorneys that do the job well follow where the evidence leads. And that's not always politically convenient. At the same time, there is no problem with the attorney general or even the president himself expressing that they hope their prosecutors, their U.S. attorneys, are more aggressive. Looking at Mr. Cybert's case in the Eastern District of Virginia, he has to make a determination, one, whether he has the evidence to satisfy the elements of the crime to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. And two, he has to look at who's going to be in his jury pool there in the Eastern District of Virginia. And I think those present challenges potentially to bringing a case that has this perception, as it's been presented by mainstream media, that it's a political prosecution, even if it's not. All right. So you're suggesting that Mr. Seiber may have gotten shafted on this. I'm not saying you got in shaft. No, I know you're not saying yet, but you're leaving open the possibility that he was doing his job in an honest way, and he got whacked because Trump wanted it done faster.

Sure. I think that's possible. This idea of justice delayed is justice tonight is not a foreign concept in our system. But yes, Mr. Seiber had choices in front of him, and it appears that when you serve at the pleasure of the president, as is the case in any administration, that you may face choices that could result in you needing to step away from your job. All right. We appreciate it, counsel. Thanks very much for helping us out. I think that he was honest. And every president has certain cases that they're very interested in. and they want specific updates, and if you don't give it to them, you're gone. And that's just the way the system works. You're listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. Now, what happened to CNN? CNN used to be on every breaking news story, every big event in the world,

because I've been in the business 50 years, CNN dominated. They dominated the news coverage, and they got whacked on this Charlie Kirk thing. 46,000 in the key demo. That's local news. Nobody's going to CNN anymore for breaking news. So joining us now from Maine is a guy who knows probably more about CNN than anybody else. His name is John Malone. You've heard about him. He's a very successful businessman. He's got a new book out called Born to Be Wired, Lessons from a Lifetime Transforming Television, Wiring America for the Internet, Growing Formula One,

Discovery, Sirius, and the Atlanta Brage. That is some subtitle to that book, Mr. Malone. But thank you for appearing. Look, you were there in various capacities, and even now you're the chair emeritus of Warner Brothers Discovery, which owns CNN. You saw the change from a hard news agency into a left-wing concern.

Did that bother you when it was happening? Well, it depends on where I was at the time, I guess I would say. My involvement in the governance of CNN really started with the merger of discovery. Hey, Mike Baker here, host of the President's Daily Brief podcast. If you want straight talk on national security, foreign policy, and the biggest global stories going on of the day. This is the show for you. We publish twice a day, Monday through Friday, once in the morning, again in the afternoon,

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You can listen to Piers Morgan Uncensored on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, wherever you get your podcasts. And Time Warner, which took place about three years ago. Before that, I would say I was a shareholder, indirectly and directly in Time Warner, but also in, for instance, News Corp that had Fox News, and we were owners of CNBC, and we owned McNeil-Layer News Hour for many years, and underwrote that for the public broadcasting side. So I've been in and around news for a very long time, created see NBC together with the GE guys. So a long history in television news because I came from it as a

distributor. Right. You were in the cable side of it, and you're a technical genius, and you saw early on that the cable was going to dominate, you got in, you made a lot of money. But you write in your book that no Time Warner Discovery executives would interfere. here when Trump got into the political arena and CNN went anti-Trump. You know, it seems to me if you're a big stockholder in that company and you are, and you saw what was happening that CNN was losing some of its credibility had grown since Ted Turner had owned it, that maybe somebody would have said something, but apparently that didn't happen.

Well, I said something and I got ripped for it. it. I didn't want to cause a walkout at the CNN newsroom, but I suggested that they follow the Fox model a little more closely and just label news, news, and label opinion, opinion, and maybe even have, you know, a guest column or two. But they should differentiate. When we got started with Fox News, it was a call from Rupert Murdoch that said, is there room in America for another video news channel? At that point, I was already a big investor in Ted Turner and CNN. And I said, yes, there is Rupert, but you have to come in center, center right. And so Ruper's theory was, we're going to have real news. We're going to have guys like Brett Baer or Britt Yume before him.

And it's going to be serious news. It's not going to be opinion. And then we're going to have a show that is entertaining and focuses really on politics, anything of current interest. And that was the original thesis. And you know, your viewers, I'm sure they remember good old Rush Limbaugh, but Rupert's first thought was go recruit Rush Limbaugh to be the anchor. on the first Fox News show, and I actually tried to talk rush into it, and I couldn't. But he gave us Roger Ailes, which was a great... Yeah, and I was the guy who did the prime time opinion show. But we actively sought Mr. Malone the other side. My orders to my staff were find the smartest, person you can who disagrees with me, and I wasn't an ideologue, I never have been. And we put them on. Now on CNN, I got the number one selling book in the country right now, confronting evil. I can't get booked on CNN. I talk to Anderson Cooper directly. I said,

Anderson, you put me on, you're going to double your numbers. You're going to double them. And I got 20 number one bestsellers on the New York Times list. That's a world record. Why wouldn't you put me on? Well, I think you got to start by saying that CNN has great journalists, but they all are educated from the left. Why? Why? Why is that you're one of the best business people in a country? And if people don't know John Malone, just Google it, and you'll see how successful he has been. Why would you go exclusively left when that's not a good one?

That's not a good business plan. Well, for a little while, let's go back. If you go back to Ted, Ted really founded CNN, and his idea was, you know, 24-7 real news. And he recruited a lot of young people right out of journalism school and some who hadn't been to journalism school. And he started off, I think, fulfilling his mission. In fact, he was even being accused of being a right winger early on. But over time, Ted's views tended to be a little more progressive, let's say, than conservative.

His involvement with Jane tended to push him a little more in that direction. But nothing pushed CNN to the left, like Rupert coming in on the right. Well, that's true. But it hasn't worked. And now CNN's going to be sold, I understand. I think that might happen in the next few months. It didn't work. So why not pivot back to what you used to be when James Earl Jones was doing a voiceovers?

Last work. They didn't put me in charge of CNN. So I really have to just say I was a director and a shareholder and basically had, zero net influence over the direction of CNN while I was in that role at the still doesn't make any sense though you're you're a very astute mind it doesn't make any sense I think it's a trump thing I think it's probably that but I'm not sure the book is born to be wired I found a really fascinating because I was you know right in on this 1996 wave of the cable competition mr. Malone the best

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