Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - Public Reaction to Charlie Kirk's Death, Brett Tolman on the FBI's Investigation, & Forensic Psychologist Kris Mohandie on Anti-Kirk Extremism Online

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

Tonight's rundown: Hey BillOReilly.com Premium and Concierge Members, welcome to the No Spin News for Monday, September 15, 2025. Stand Up for Your Country.  Talking Points Memo: Bill says the idea that conservative Americans are just as extreme as progressives is false because the progressive movement has five major networks backing it. The latest information surrounding Charlie Kirk’s funeral. Former US Attorney for Utah and CEO of The Tolman Group, Brett Tolman, enters the No Spin Zone to discuss whether Kash Patel and the FBI have done anything wrong in the Kirk investigation. He also breaks down the killer's likely legal journey in Utah. A look at the five NFL teams that did not hold a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk on Sunday. Forensic psychologist Kris Mohandie, Ph.D., ABPP, joins the No Spin News to discuss why people post extreme content on social media following Stephen King’s false claims about Charlie Kirk, and what percentage of people are radicalized. Bill urges viewers to write to North Carolina Governor Josh Stein (D) to demand the firing of Judge Teresa Stokes following the attack on a Ukrainian refugee by a mentally disturbed criminal. Final Thought: Remembering Charlie Kirk. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So another intense news week unfolding. We are very glad you are with us. We hope you take an advantage of Bill O'Reilly.com. We have insights there that no one else has about the Charlie Kirk assassination about Putin, about President Trump. I wrote a column about Miami meeting with the president on Thursday at Yankee Stadium. We have a message of the day today showing a timeline of exactly what happened, what is true. You got to understand the media, a lot of this stuff they're reporting is not true. And they don't care because nobody holds them accountable. We care.

So we have a lot of resources to bring you most accurate information and responsible analysis. Now, we begin tonight with the growing chasm. I love that word chasm, C-H-A-S-M, in the United States of America. Now, I'm going to do this unemotionally with no ideology whatsoever, which I hope you will find refreshing. But it is a major story. So we all know what happened immediately after the assassination. There was a flood into social media. Never a good thing.

There is no policing of social media, no editors, no fact checking, nothing. And many mentally disturbed human beings park themselves in these political. websites. Okay. So I get a letter from Ken in New York City, obviously not going to tell you his last name because I don't want anything to happen to Ken. But here's what Ken writes to me, quote. What about the rhetoric from Trump and MAGA? Trump and MAGA are just as responsible for all the chaos we have in politics. Please tell Bill O'Reilly, if he is truly to be fair and express the opinion for both political parties, he should read my email, unquote. Okay. No problem reading your email, Ken. And whether I'm fair or not, it is up to you.

But I'll tell you this. But what aboutism is ridiculous, Ken. It really is. You can do that for every story in the world. Well, what about the world? You can always find somebody worse or is it something. nothing comes of what aboutism. It is lazy. It is fifth grade. Oh, he did better. Okay, let's knock that out. What about? Let's deal with the problem in hand. Now, you believe, Ken, that the Trump administration and the people who support it are just as responsible for vitriolic rhetoric as the progressive left. Apparently that's what you are. believing. That's fine with me. You're an American and you believe what you want to believe. But I'm going to make a case to you now. That is, you cannot refute, all right, about how wrong you are as far as the spread of hatred, verbal hatred. Okay. Now, surely can, you know and every other person who owns a television set knows, there are five major corporate networks allied with the Democratic Party and Progressive Movement in America. Five. ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MS. Five.

Allied with the traditional conservative movement is Fox News Channel. And News Max, but Newsmax's audience isn't at the level yet to come close to the others. Okay. So the messaging that the far-left progressive movement puts out, as well as the Democratic Party, gets vastly heard more than the traditional message, just by the nature of the communication through the television news agencies. And it's the same thing on social media.

About five to one, liberal to conservative sites. So any kind of hatred is amplified in a much greater level on the progressive left. Again, you can't refute it is absolutely true. So to say, oh, oh, no, they both do it. Well, there are loons in both parties or extremists, but on the right, you don't have nearly the megaphone, not even close. And the money factor that drives these social media operations from the progressive point of view is in the billions with a B, billions of dollars, pouring.

into the media matters and all these other places. Right doesn't have that. Okay, that's number one. Number two, the progressive movement in America wants to overhaul or overthrow in some cases the entire American system. They don't like capitalism. They don't want laws enforced.

They don't like religion. They want to overthrow it all. It's like the Revolutionary War. The rabid people, the loudest voices were the patriots who wanted to throw the king out. They got all the attention. They were the rabble rousers. Okay? Because the other people, 50% of them back then, wanted to stay with the king. But they didn't say much, or they'd be tarred and feathered. Now, the progressive movement is the rebellion. So they're ten times as loud as a so-called silent majority.

And again, it's picked up and amplified by a very sympathetic national media. You see? See where we're going here? So if you are an unstable, mentally ill person and you live in the progressive world, you are constantly agitated. That's what happened to Utah. This kid was in the dark precincts. Agitation, agitation, agitation.

And boom. He splits. He breaks. Same thing with the kid in Butler. Okay, we try to kill President Trump. All right. Now, everything I have said in the last seven minutes and 49 seconds is true. No, what about, none of this, none of that, solid rock truth.

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President Trump, to his credit, and I discussed this with him last Thursday, said this about the reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination. How do you want your supporter's response, sir? I think that way. He was. He was an advocate of nonviolence. That's the way I'd like to see people. Okay. Excellent statement.

Totally appropriate. it. But Donald Trump in his heart sincerely believes that the radical left is a huge threat to this country. And so do I. Bullet tape. They get paid for it. They have profession from Soros and other people. And we're going to look into Soros because I think it's a RICO case against him and other people. Because this is more than like protests. This is real agitation. This is riots on street and we're going to look into that and he's a perfect right to look into it now it's going to be a tough case to make on a RICO against a guy like Soros because Soros got a battery of lawyers and he stays within the law as far as where

he moves his money but there is no question as I said huge money coming into these radical progressive organizations and they should be checked out Okay, update on what's going to happen this week. Tomorrow, the alleged shooter, we say allege, he did it, but due process is afforded to everybody. We'll be in Utah to answer the charges. He will be charged with murder. I believe Utah will execute him eventually. It'll be a state case.

I don't see a federal charge here. Could be wrong on that, but I don't think so. The funeral memorial service will be held Sunday night in Phoenix, Arizona, at the State Farm Stadium where the Arizona Cardinal football team plays. 63,000 people capacity, it will be sold out. You can go. You have to contact the stadium and give your name and all that. President Trump will be there. as will Vice President Vance, and a variety of, mostly Republican,

but I think Kelly will probably show up, the senator from Arizona, a few others. So that's Sunday. In the meantime, you have to consider a few things that the families, and Donald Trump made this point, family of the shooters, you know how much damage that is? See, evil spreads. Evil spreads. There's not only Charlie Kirk's family, two little kids and his widow, devastated, changed forever negatively. It's the family of the shooter. Parents, and I think he had three brothers, two brothers. They're Mormons, they're conservatives. Their whole lives never be the same. That's what evil does. Cross the board. Here it is. Okay. So just keep

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Brett Tallman. Cash Patel, head of the FBI, there's a report on Fox News today that the Trump administration is turning against him. Do you have any idea why? What is causing that? Well, I don't.

believe it. I don't believe. I think what that, you know, the articles I've seen, they're sourcing individuals within the FBI who were anonymous in their comments. I think it comes as a result of him perhaps jumping the gun too soon, wanting to have transparency and then, you know, let people know what was going on on the ground in the investigation, perhaps a little too early. He indicated that there was a, you know, an individual in custody that was not the case at that moment when he sent that out. He had to, you know, backtrack on that. Look, I think this is, you know, it is unusual to see the director of the FBI willing to give, you know, real-time information as he gets it. I think he's probably learned a bit from this and may hold his cards a little closer to

to confirm. Yeah, I mean, what's a big deal? So he made a mistake. So what? Exactly. I mean, look, I'm not sticking up at Cash Patel, we've been trying to get him on a program for six months. he's giving me the big middle finger. So I have no reason. And I'll be honest, he didn't want to answer my questions. I mean, that's the last thing on earth he wants to do. Okay? Okay.

So I'm not a big fan of Cash Patel at this point in history, but I don't see what the FBI, who's assisting the state of Utah in this investigation, I don't see what they did wrong. Did they do anything wrong that you saw? No, I didn't. Bill. And I think, you know, that's a fair point by you who, you know, he hasn't come on the show. I'd love for him to come on the show. I think he should answer some questions that you have for him. And I'll tell him that when I talk to him. But I think, look, they, the DNA evidence, they did that very quickly that they found. They also have been analyzing other evidence very quickly, putting it as a top priority. They're doing what they need to do. And keep in mind, they are going to lead the investigation into whether or not there were co-consum. conspirators. And if there are, then they will be the point of the spear.

Sure. That's a conspiracy. Right, right. And Manjino hinted at that today. But again, we're not going to get out of what we know and speculate because that's what all the others do. It's a total waste of everybody's time. That's right. But just, but bear with me for one more on this, but tell them, then I want to get into the state of Utah. Right now, from my vantage point, I have seen nothing the FBI has done wrong in this investigation. Am I missing something? No, in fact, my comments from my friends in law enforcement in Utah County that are involved in this have indicated the FBI has been an absolutely terrific partner.

I'm glad to hear that. State of Utah, conservative state, not crazy. But small state, death penalty is there. Can't remember when the last time it was used in Utah. Can you remember the last time death penalty was used? Gary Gilmore was executed. Wow. Yep.

I believe Gary Gilmore was the last execution by firearm squad, which is still legal in Utah, but very unlikely in this case. It is no soft on crime stuff like Chicago and New York City in L.A. You don't see that, right? That's right. All right, Mormon-based, all right, which means Christian tenets from the Mormon point of view. So this guy goes through the system. His lawyers are going to plead, you know, he's insane, you know that.

That's the only way they can go to try to save his butt from the execution. But I have confidence that the state of Utah will be able to try this case in a fair way. I haven't, again, it's like the FBI, I haven't seen any evidence where you're handing it over to people who don't know what they're doing. You know way better than I do, though. They do know what they're doing. They've handled their fair share of very difficult homicide. One thing to, you know, for folks at home to understand, the insanity plea is very difficult in Utah. In essence, they're going to have to show that he has an incapacity to appreciate right versus wrong.

That's going to be a very difficult burden in the way. this case because there's plenty of social media. There's plenty of other witnesses that are going to come forward. And his effort to actually hide and conceal after the murder is the best evidence for knowing right. It's not going to work. He's going to get the death penalty, but it'll take forever. Last question, a trans business. Does that have anything to do with this case? Do you feel that that's going to be injected because he's apparently this guy, the lead shooter, was living with a guy who was trying to be a girl or something. Anything there? I've not seen anything that suggests that it's a part of the evidence building against,

you know, the individual in question here, Tyler Robinson. But I do know if there is a conspiracy, if there is an individual, his partner and roommate is involved in it, then it will be injected into it because it certainly may be the motivation. It may be what the evidence, you know, that gets presented by a prosecutor to say this was an effort, the motivation behind, you know, this was the justification for his action. So I guess it's too early to tell at this point. You bring up an answer to question, does the prosecutor have to give a motive or just show that he did it? No. Usually there does have to be a motive to get juries, but in the In this case, I think, I don't think they're going to need a motive because it's so apparent.

You know, an assassination is so different than any other homicide. So I think they'll be very, you know, probably relieved that they just simply have to present. It might happen. I mean, certainly the news media wants, desperately wants it. But the prosecution is not going to have to convince the jury. That's right. The assassin legislation's own family will be. enough to do that because he was radicalized all right brett as always uh you really deliver very good

pithy analysis and we appreciate it very much thank you thank you both um there have been according to npr 30 people across the country either fired or put on leave who expressed joy after charlie kirk was killed i think it's a lot more than that but it's hard to get the whole country involved But here are the major corporations that have fired people, American Airlines Office Depot, NASDAQ, Perkins Coy, Carolina Panthers football team, University of Miami's Health System, Children's Healthcare of Atlanta. Just a partial list. So companies have to take it seriously. You can't have haters running around screaming about, oh, I'm happy that somebody got assassinated. You can't.

It just deteriorates the whole workplace, and so that's what's happening. In the National Football League, the commissioner, Roger Goodell, gave each team, home team, the choice on whether to have a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk. Five teams did not. They are. Detroit Lions, Cincinnati Bengals, Baltimore Ravens, Minnesota Vikings, Indianapolis cults. The Vikings say they honored all victims of recent gun violence, the Steelers who aren't on that list. said that they're not going to have a moment of silence, but they're going to fly the flags at half-mast.

So if this is certainly your purview to make a judgment about those teams, if I were you, I would write them a letter to the marketing director and saying, why didn't you have it? And they'll come back with some excuse. But remember, you can do five things at one time. You can fly the flags at half-staffed,

and have a moment of silence. If I were the president of team, I would have had a moment of silence. Okay? There's nothing wrong with having a moment of silence. It's respectful. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war, shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold.

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Display to show the world that we don't condone us. But, you know, you know how it is. But if your team's on that list, then call them up. Stephen King. Now, I'm picking on him. I'm sorry to do it. I don't know him. I know he is a very ardent, far left person. Always has been. He's a gazillionaire. He doesn't need any money, doesn't need to sell books. Certainly his craziness is going to hurt his book sales. So apparently what he did was right after people were expressing grief for Charlie Kirk's death he said well charlie kirk advocated stoning gays to death just saying this is stephen king

why would you do that i you know why and number one it's not true and kings apologize but it's way too late stevie baby you know you need to go and see a therapist and i'm saying that for your own good because to say something like that when And it's not true. You took it off from some crazy Internet site. That's not responsible. It's not humane. Oh, my God.

Joining us now from Arcadia, California, as a forensic psychologist, and I asked for Dr. Chris Monhundee, I hope I'm saying your name right, doctor, to come on in. And I set you up with King. I don't understand it. I mean, I'm sure you do, because you've seen this kind of stuff, but why would you inject yourself into a horrible situation like this and try to justify some kind of an assassination by saying something bad about the victim?

Is this common? What's your take on it? Well, I think there's a lot of people on social media, you know, having all kinds of strong and stride in opinions about this and other things. And that's part of the place where people go on deep dives and get reinforcement for becoming more, you know, extreme in their views on all sides of many different. But why do they want to become more stream? Why?

Well, I think that there's a lot of validation in the virtual world. I think that people seek it. And it's an unfortunate thing because at the end of the day, You know, we have to find our humanity here, kind of what you've been talking about. We need to find our humanity here and draw a line in the sand and say, no, this isn't, this isn't okay to celebrate. It's something to mourn. You know, there are multiple layers of loss and grief to be had here for what, you know, what this terrible incident represents. So, you know, it's not the right response, I believe.

the right response is to be respectful and to be very clear that this behavior is not acceptable by anyone. What percentage of the population do you believe is radicalized, both sides? What percent? I'm not sure what the percent would be, Bill. I don't know that I have a hard number on that. you know, I'd say it's single percentages would be my academic educated guess would be single percentage of people that would, you know, have any kind of identification with this. And those that would be willing to do anything, you know, a fraction of that percentage. But it's being spurred on by the social media cauldron of hate, right? So it's elevated.

Now, my estimate. Because in years past, you have these kinds of ideas and you seek validation for them. You didn't have a forum. No, there's nobody to go. Yeah, there wasn't a let's kill everybody club, except for the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazi groups and things like that. But my estimation, based on my research of 50 years in the arena, about 15% of human beings around the world are evil. That's where I wrote confronting evil, 1515. All right.

Now, there's obviously degrees to read Dante's Divine Comedy and the Nine Circles of Hell is obviously degrees of evil. But what I find now in American society is that a lot of people turn it away from evil. So it's easy to be able to bubble around your life now. And you don't want to deal with, I don't want to deal with this South Side Chicago gang thing. I don't want to deal with this migraine criminal thing. I'm going to just turn away from it. And in the book, Confronting Evil, when the population turns away, then evil rises in a very dramatic way and terrible things happen.

Are you seeing that? I think that I'm seeing a couple things. One is exactly what preceded this discussion, which is validation in the virtual world for things that people wouldn't get validated for before, which reinforces it. And I do think that when people become so overwhelmed and feel helpless and turn away, it does prevent the boundary setting that needs to take place for some of these ideas and some of these things that occur. So, yeah, I mean, let me give you a very concrete example. The drug cartels run Mexico, and they run Mexico because everybody's afraid of them.

Nobody wants to confront them, including the president of Mexico. body a shine bomb. So they've been able to amass an evil empire which kills millions of people all over the world because people just don't want to take them on. And I'm seeing more and more of that. People just shrinking inside themselves and their own little virtual world and saying, hell with it, I'm not going to put myself at risk. I think that's growing. Fear and powerlessness, I would agree are the byproduct of these kinds of things. And many people, they just, they can't handle it. And then they just turn off.

It's too much with the day to day that they have to manage their own lives. And that translates into helplessness, powerlessness. And then what do you do? You stay and you face it or are you just too overwhelmed and you've got to turn away? And I think you're right, Bill. I think a lot of people do turn away. There you go, and that's all evil needs is to rise. Doctor, thanks very much.

We appreciate your expertise. And on the evil front, we told you last week that we were going to try to do something about this Judge Teresa Stokes in Charlotte, North Carolina, who allowed this heinous killer out on the street when the judge knew he was dangerous, knew that he was violent, and the guy killed the 23-year-old Ukrainian woman, Arina Zerutska. she needs to be removed, all right? So we called for the judge in the case, Roy Wiggins. He is a district court judge that has power over Judge Stokes.

Here's what he put out. Quote, please be assured that my office is reviewing this matter with careful and deliberate consideration. As this involves a personnel matter, be handled with the confidentiality required by law. I truly appreciate your perspective and concern regarding that. matter. So it's a bunch of gibberish. I don't know if Wiggins is going to do anything or not, but I do know this. All of us can get involved directly by writing to the governor of North

Carolina, Josh Stein. Every single person listening to me right now should fire off. Very polite. You, governor, need to get involved. This judge, Teresa Stokes, needs to be removed from the bench. You can reach the governor. It's governor.n.c.gov slash contact slash contact governor Stein. During the Volvo Fall Experience event, discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design that leaves plenty of room for autumn adventures. And see for yourself how Volvo's legendary safety brings peace of mind to every crisp morning commute. This September, Lisa 2026 X-E-90 plug-in hybrid.

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There is no competent judge in the country that would have allowed this man out on the street. The violent man, she knew he was violent, beat up his own sister, 14 arrests, and you're letting him out? No bail? Nothing. Come on. You're not qualified to serve, madam. I'm back with a final thought about evil in a moment. All right, final thought of the day. It is very difficult.

for me to discipline myself in a way that is not emotional. Because you got Charlie Kirk, I didn't know him, so I'm not in that world. I'm not in the ideological world at all. I mean, I know the broadcasters, but I don't know the younger people. I might have met him when he was really a kid. But just consider this for a moment. When I was 31, I was lucky I wasn't in prison. I mean, I was still formulating what my philosophy of life would be.

I was making a good living reporting the news, but I didn't have any astute vision at 31 years old. Charlie Chris, 31 years old, just listen, you know, whether you like him or not, whether you agree with him, it doesn't matter. So he takes his philosophy of life, which is... that America is a noble nation, that traditional tenets have made it a strong noble nation, and that Judeo-Christian philosophy, religious belief systems, contribute in a very positive way to this country. Takes all that, all right, and he puts together an organization to bring that

message to non-believers. Like a missionary in college settings. And he's towards the country and he's got a website and he's engaged with conversation at the highest level and he wins over traditional America and then he brings his message out to the rest of the folks. He's 31 years old this guy does this. I mean, I'm looking at and I'm going, whoa, if you you read confronting the presidents, most of the presidents would like me at 31, they were kind of wishy-washy. I mean, Donald Trump will tell you at 31. But Kirk, he was right on it. Now, I respect that, all right? And I, whatever he said individually about certain things, doesn't matter to me. He's an American. As long as he's not pushing hatred of violence, he's a right to his

opinions, the right to state it. Same thing with the ladies on the view and everybody else. It's when you cross that line into, I want to destroy people who disagree with me. But that's not what Charlie Kirk did. He wanted to engage them. Right? So once I started to study him and put into perspective his life's work, boy, oh boy, it comes out unbelievably impressive. And I wanted you guys to know that I spent a lot of the weekend doing a Thank you for watching and listening to the NOSBIN News. I'm Bill O'Reilly with Cedarmore.