Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - The Jeffrey Epstein Controversy, Joe Biden's Doctor Pleads the Fifth, Doug Schoen on Elon Musk’s Third Party, & the Cultural Impact of Rap Music With Stephen A. Smith

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Tonight's rundown: Hey BillOReilly.com Premium and Concierge Members, welcome to the No Spin News for Wednesday, July 9, 2025. Stand Up for Your Country.  Talking Points Memo: Bill breaks down the latest updates in the Jeffrey Epstein case and questions if the Trump administration is mishandling the situation. Dr. Kevin O'Connor pleads the Fifth and refuses to answer questions about Joe Biden's health. Democrat Political Strategist Doug Schoen joins the No Spin News to weigh in on the ongoing feud between President Trump and Elon Musk and to assess whether Musk will actually create a third party. Why is the Trump administration suing California?  Stephen A. Smith, host of The Stephen A. Smith Show, enters the No Spin Zone to debate whether rap culture has led to a culture of disrespect. Final Thought: Become a Concierge Member at BillOReilly.com for one-on-one help directly from Bill. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey Bill O'Reilly here. Welcome to the No Spin News for Wednesday, July 9th, 2025. Stand Up for Your Country. You know, America is like a good scandal. Probably everybody in the world does. It breaks the boredom. You can take sides many times. And we have that with the Jeffrey Epstein situation. heinous man, now commiserating with Satan. I just can't even describe, you know, the evil. that this guy embraced. And the federal government knows about some of that evil.

But they are not communicating to with the people what exactly they know. Now, it's a little bit complicated as I wrote in my message of the day. There are innocent people that associated to some extent. Maybe they had lunch, maybe they just met them

one time, with Epstein. If those people names get put out into the public, their lives could be ruined. Now, I talked about this with Donald Trump, and I'll tell you about that in a moment. But Epstein is now the focus of attention for millions of millions of people. They want to know if the federal government covered up anything.

If there were famous people involved with him, doing dastardly things, And those are legitimate questions. And honest government will attempt to answer them as best it can while being responsible to the innocent. And that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. So it's a bad look right now. That's a cliche, I know. But the Attorney General Bondi saying one thing and then saying another thing about the so-called Epstein files.

I don't know what the files are. I don't know anything about it. But I do know the federal government has information on demand and what the man's activities comprise. They do. FBI has it. And we are not getting that. Now, the Trump administration is transparent,

or has not been a modern-day president. I can't think of anybody in the last hundred years who's been more accessible to the press than Mr. Trump. he's on Air Force One, every time he got a guess, he takes the questions, he's on the tarmac, he's accessible. Compared to him and a Biden, you never saw Biden. Biden wouldn't answer any question. You couldn't get close to him.

Trump every day. So something's not right here. Okay? And I don't know what it is. Will I find out? I don't know about that either. I did request an interview with Cash Patel who turned me down. That's not good.

I know Mr. Patel have been very fair to him over the years. The guy flat out turned me down. Okay. But my obligation to report that to you. And it looks like the federal government is hiding something. But that may not be true. So that's where we are. And I don't like that feeling, and you don't either.

I'm sure you don't. We want some definition here, right? Now, a bit of a timeline. August 10, 2019. All right. Epstein found dead in his New York City jail cell. I believe it's a suicide. I don't believe the New York City coroner made up the fact that the autopsy

showed that he expired by hanging himself. I don't believe that. But millions of people believe that he was murdered to cover up something. That's a conspiracy theory, and it's in play. Now, I can't prove my point because I didn't do the post-mortem examination on Epstein. And the whole autopsy hasn't been released. Most of it had. Summary had.

And then Epstein's brother brought in, you know, hired guns, got people who were paid to tell Epstein's brother what he wanted to hear that, oh, it looks suspicious to me. You know how that game goes. Okay? So the conspiracy is underway. Does that mean anything? No.

I mean, I wrote Killing Kennedy. You got 10,000 Kennedy conspiracies, and a lot of those people who pushed that made money on it. You want to know what happened in JFK, you read Killing Kennedy. That's what happened to it. Because we were able to get the primary reporting from the FBI. So without any editing or any of that, we're very lucky to get that.

Anyway, the chief medical examiner who was involved in the Epstein case, a woman named Dr. Barbara Samson, and she's an honest woman. I mean, just don't, I don't think there's any possibility that she forged anything here, my opinion. Okay, so now what do we do? Well, clearly the Trump administration doesn't want to hold a press conference, and Bondi would have to do that. She could have to tell there, head of the FBI, but they don't want to do that. Again, it's not a good look. So any skilled law enforcement agent knows what they can and can tell the public.

unless you're somebody under active criminal investigation you can't put the name out that's wrong you can destroy people's lives but you can generally uh telephokes me and everybody else um here's what we got okay and here's what the indictment was uh this guy was going to get convicted evidence of a woman um and uh you know we've learned X, Y, and Z. Without giving names, you can do that. It's not hard to do that. Here's a kicker on it. Merrick Garland should be in this press conference. Biden had this info for four years. Justice Department in Biden, they didn't do anything. Now, if Trump was involved or anybody, any high-ranking Republican, believe me, that would have been out in a second. New York Times would

had that, Washington Post would have had that in the second. If there were any Republican or conservative people involved with Epstein, boom, that would have been out. Okay? And on the other side, I think the Trump administration probably would have gone after anybody on the liberal

side. You got Bill Clinton associated with Epstein to some extent. I mean, they crossed paths. I don't know. But none of that ever came out. Just keep that in mind. But Merrick Garland knows as much as Pam Bondi knows. Where's Merrick?

Where's that? I don't hear the media screaming about, well, I'd bring in Merrick Garland. Or the former FBI chief, which is naming, escapes me a mold, under Biden. Right? Get them both together. So anyway, the story's not going to go away. And it's going to hurt President Trump. I don't think it'll hurt him dramatically,

but, you know, leadership is keep your promise. Transparency. So let's get this done. That's a memo. Another big criminal case, and he made it a criminal case, Dr. Kevin O'Connor, Joe Biden's personal physician. He took the fifth today. So he walks in to the House and the Oversight Committee, that's Comer,

and they ask him two questions. Okay? Was he ever told a lie about the President's health? And he believed Mr. Biden was unfit to execute his duties, two questions. And then O'Connor says, I am taking the Fifth Amendment because whatever I say might incriminate me. Okay? He's entitled to do that. But now the FBI's got to put him under active criminal investigation.

You say, I'm not going to talk to a congressional committee because I might have committed a crime. There, that's it. You got to go, then. The FBI has got to go, okay, now we're going to issue subpoenas, we're going to search your home, we're going to get all your records, we're going to do everything. O'Connor's still going, well, you know, patient doctor privileged, no. No, that will never hold up in federal court. They'll knock that out immediately.

I mean, the responsible judges. So I'm not surprised. Are you surprised? So Biden announced he has cancer, and his doctor didn't know that. And the cancer just didn't magically appear. That's something that takes time to develop. Hi, I'm Tricia, your friend and jeweler at Shane Company. where we're all about you, your style, your budget, your dream engagement ring.

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I think Commer's absolutely right. O'Connor's lawyer says that it does not intend to honor one of those well-known privileges in our law, the patient physician privileged. Okay, counselor, taking it into federal court. You can't have a sitting president unable to perform his duties and his doctor lying about it.

I mean, that goes way beyond any kind of privilege. And the Trump administration, and I did not know this until we started researching it, it waived executive privilege. It can do that. You can't, you know, if Biden had invoked it, before he left, maybe. Not now.

So it was all a doctor-patient. That is going to take years. But the FBI should be aggressively looking at this. Let's see if there's anything else here. It's a big red flag that was lifted today. Here's something I want your opinion on. Do you believe most Americans care. I know you care if you didn't like Biden, but just the regular folks who don't pay attention to the news. Do you think they care that Biden was in there for four years? Second worst president ever, and you read confronting the presidents. It's an overwhelming case, let's put it that way. Do you think they care that they covered all this up? The White House people, Democratic Party, all the journalists.

I think the regular men on the street who doesn't, not ideological, the party doesn't me much, do you think they care? I don't know. But anyway, bill at bill o'Reilly.com, bill at bill o'Reilly.com, if you want to weigh in on that. Now, while we're talking about Biden, yesterday we had a conversation about his befuddlement and that he was interviewed by Robert Hur, the special counsel about Biden, taking classified documents, putting him in his garage and other places all over the place, which

he did. Same thing that Trump took classified and put him in Mar-a-Lago. Same exact thing, other than Trump had the right to do it in the sense that he was president. Biden did not have the right to any classified information at all because he was vice president. Anyway, in the body of the discussion, we mentioned that the tape recording interview, between special counsel of her and his staff and Joe Biden was available on the internet. And the address is YouTube.com slash axios. That's a website, AXIOS. YouTube.com slash axios if you want to hear the whole thing.

Here's a taste of it, go. I think it's 2015. I'm not sure the months or but I think that was here. That's right. Mr. President. And what's happened in the meantime is that as as Trump gets elected in November of 2017, 2016, 2016, all right.

So, what had I have, 2017, yeah. That's when you left the office in January, 2007. Okay, that's when Trump was sworn in. Right, right, correct. Okay, yeah, and in 2017, Bo had passed. And this is personal. The genesis of the book and the title, Promise Me Dad, was a, I know, they're all close with your sons and dogs. like my right arm, and that was my left.

I was pathetic, and as a president of the United States. And none of us knew how bad it was. I shouldn't say none of us, but it's really frightening. All right, Eli Ma's still mad at Trump. He's taking the Epstein files. He says, quote, how can people be expected to have faith in Trump if you won't release the Epstein files? It's on most July 8th on X.

And as you know, Mr. Musk wants to start a third party, the American Party. Joining us now is one of the most astute political observers in the country. And Doug Schoen gave me money to say that on Saturday night when I saw on a person. He joins us now from Southampton. Home of very wealthy swell people, Southampton. He's a Democratic political street. So your take on the proposed American party? You know, I have studied Bill third parties in America.

There is broad support in the electorate for third parties. The problem is the only thing the two major parties, Democrats and Republicans agree on, is that we shouldn't have third parties and to make it as difficult as possible for them to get on the ballot, get support, and raise money. raise money. So I don't necessarily think Elon Musk's third party, in the absence of an infrastructure that doesn't exist, is going to do anything more than rally some aspects of the

far right, maybe a few people on the far left, but mostly far right to the detriment of Donald Trump and the Republican. The way I see it, there's no hope for this party. There's no constituency for it. Correct. We took a poll. It's still up on bill o'Reilly.com. Who do you side with in a few between Trump and Musk? 93% of my viewers sign with Trump. No surprise. Seven with Musk.

So Trump, you know, he has captured the imagination of millions of Republicans and MAGA people. Where Musk, I think he's admired in a certain circle. He's brilliant man. doubt. But I don't know who would even register to be in the American Party. I don't know one human being. And I know thousands of people who would register for the American Party. You know

anybody who would do that? That's why I said only a few people on the far right. I don't even know they would do it. I think this disillusion with the system bill. The Musk party is two things. spending big time. Liberals never going to do that, ever, ever, ever in a million years. So you get nobody from the left, zero, and be an isolationist. Okay, they don't want to be involved with bad things overseas. And you're right, the only people who might even consider those two things, although I think most conservatives would want cuts to the federal budget, I believe that's

true. but they don't want to disrupt are the Republican Party, which is trouncing at this point, the Democratic Party, right? All true, Bill. I believe that there isn't a constituency. I'm not convinced Musk is prepared to not only spend the money, which he has, obviously,

but to build the grassroots, which is enormously difficult. Right. It costs some billions and billions of dollars to do that. this, and when he goes out to the grassroots, it's not going to be any grass. That's exactly. It would be like, okay, where's the grass? It's not like the American people, when they heard this, Doug, going, oh, yeah, yeah,

let's get this going. I, as I said, I don't know one person. So what it comes down to is it looks like a vanity play to me to annoy Donald Trump by Elon Musk. Last word. Yeah, last word is, I believe the only person who will be impacted this is Donald Trump by making it harder for Republicans, even in a good environment, to get elected. I think it, frankly, is going to hurt Musk because the party won't, as you suggest, get support. And beyond that, I think it'll hurt his business enterprises.

So my advice that Elon Musk would be to put the American Party back. where he came from, which is his head, and concentrate on that which he's good at, which is his businesses. All right, Doug. Thanks very much. We appreciate it. Have a good summer on Long Island. Okay, FBI is launching criminal investigation into former CIA chief John Brennan, former FBI James Comey. This is predictable. Basically, it is they lied in front of Congress. That's the allegation. The Brennan and Comey lied in front of Congress about the Russian collusion stuff, and so the FBI is going after them. Will it lead anywhere?

I don't think so. And let me back that up. Remember Letitia James about a month ago, maybe two months ago, and they had her. She bought a house in Virginia. She said that she was a resident of Virginia. She isn't. She's a resident of New York. She's the Attorney General of New York.

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Not to say that Brennan and Comey are good guys. They're not. They're both dishonest, in my opinion. Supreme Court says that Donald Trump can lay off members of the federal government under his supervision, the executive branch. No surprise. I mean, 15-page opinion, only Judge Brown Jackson, Justice Brown Jackson, who is Uber left. Okay? She dissented, but it doesn't matter. It just makes sense. If you're the president, you're running the executive branch, and you want to fire people, you can fire people. Okay, that's it. The Trump administration is suing California over Title IX.

Title IX is a civil rights law that says you cannot have discrimination based on sex in any education program. And a Trump administration alleges that California is forcing girls to share, quote, intimate spaces such in locker rooms with boys, causing a hostile educational environment and denying girls educational opportunities. So they're suing the state of California. This will force California to stop this crazy stuff because the law in California is that athletes can participate in sports consistent with their gender identity. So there's no restraint. That'll change because it is lawsuit.

They'll settle a lawsuit, but that's what's going on there. All right, let's shift to the culture. Now, we don't do a lot of culture reporting anymore. I wrote a whole book on it, Culture Warrior. And what's interesting about that book is I guess it's about 15 years old, when I'm even older. Everything I wrote in a book came true. I just called me Nostradamus about the change in the culture

and what would happen and why it would happen. Anyway, the other day I was on News Nation with my pal, Stephen A. Smith and Cuomo, the three Americans. And we were talking about the entertainment industry and how it is having an effect on younger Americans. And you may remember that in a poll just before the 4th July, Generation Z, born after 1996, only 41% are proud to be an American. And then in millennials, 58%, which is a low number.

And so I said to myself, why? And part of the reason is the culture of disrespect that's being peddled by the entertainment industry, and then Stephen and I got into it. I, growing up as a younger person, was a big fan of R&B and Motown, big fan. I know a lot of those guys, the OJs and the spinners and things like that, and I loved them. And I thought they were a very positive force in America. Well, today, we have a different thing, hip hop, I guess they call it. And I believe that this hip-hop stuff teaches disrespect and encourages it.

Bad language, don't even wear no condoms, you know, all of that stuff. And kids as younger is what, 10, 11, 12, listen to this. Instead of me, listen to the Four Tops and the Temptations and Smokey Robinson and all these people, they're listening to this. And I think that the level of disrespect among younger people has risen. because of this kind of stuff, am I wrong? I'm in no position to say definitively, Bill, that you're wrong. Where I was pushing back on you is when you talked about hip hop as if hip hop are the originators of all of this.

When we talk about disrespect, when we talk about some of the lyrics that are spewed. And I'm like, if you listen to rock music, have you listened to heavy metal music? Have you listened to some of the stuff? Spanning decades. Have you seen people worship in the devil engaging in saintanism? It's preaching about violence and whatever. I mean, we've seen all of this in the past and that had nothing to do with hip hop. So when you came out on Cuomo show and you talked about hip hop, it's one thing to say that you don't like it. But it was almost as if you isolated your opinion to that as opposed to really embracing what really has been happening with the music industry, with Hollywood. and some of the things that they've been perpetuating and disseminating for decades long even before

hip hop came along that was my issue but i don't do the i don't do the uh justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior and you're absolutely right i mean a lot of this rock stuff is garbage but this hip hop industry is directed at not just african-american children but children many of whom are marginalized they don't have people in the house father in the house Look, I wouldn't let my kids listen to Megan the Stallion and Florella or whatever's name. That could not come into my house. Am I wrong? No, you're not wrong.

You're not wrong. You're wrong if you're saying them. I would say to you there's certain songs I'm not going to allow you to listen to. Like, for example, the artist that I grew up listening to, whether it was run DMC, it was KRS 1, it was Eric B and Rock Kim, public enemy, etc, etc. It's in this day and age, whether it's Eminem, it's Jay-Z, it's Nas who's been around forever, along with a plethora of others. There's some songs I wouldn't allow my kids to listen to. There are other songs I don't mind. It all depends on a particular song and a particular lyrics that are being spewed, as opposed to me denigrating an artist because of a particular song.

That's what I'm saying to you. Okay. But remember, the unbelievable amount of African-American children, and children who are living without a father. It is a problem that this country has never seen at this level. You give those kids role models who are using the F word every two seconds. We've got tattoos all over them who can't speak proper English, and you are saying that this is what is going to be imitated.

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That helped me. It didn't hurt me. Now, the role models, many of them, are hurting these kids. You've got to admit that. I'm not denying. I have no problem admitting that. I have no problem acknowledging that parents, and it extends beyond the black community, white, his Oh, yeah, absolutely.

I mean, everybody's complaining about it. You're absolutely right. I'm not here to say that you're wrong. I just want you to contextualize things properly. So we're talking about the subject right now, Bill, and you can look at it that way, and you have every right to. I'm not going to knock you for that. But allow me to retort.

Let's go into your wheelhouse for a second. Right now, we're looking at an unemployment rate in the United States of America that's hovering around 4 to 4.1%. In the black community, it's at 16%. amongst young black males, particularly between the ages of 16 and 19. For example, I think I read the number at being at about 19.8%. I've often been on the air saying this, when white folks catch a cold, black folks catch pneumonia.

It's always worse for us. There's always an uphill battle to climb. So to get to your point, it makes it even harder when other obstacles get in the way that we know would potentially derail, particularly somebody from an African-American community on the come up looking for opportunities. But what happens? The music industry comes along and they're talking to you about making money.

And here's how we want you to make the money. And so you have young minds that are being influenced, but most importantly are trying to get a leg up or trying to earn their stripes or trying to find a way to pay their bills and to take care of themselves and their family, etc., etc.,

that are presented with these opportunities. So when you talk about a hip-hop industry, you might talk about the artist, and I might say somebody like Bill O'Reilly is informed enough to know, It extends far beyond that particular artist because those artists answer to somebody. Somebody makes those albums. They promote those albums.

They market those albums. They disseminate. Yeah, but the artist is creating the scenario that if you are a certain person, you can use that language. The reason that the minority unemployment is higher is because of the presentation. If you're an African American in this country and you present yourself in a way, employer believes that is going to help the business, you'll get the job. Not always. No system is perfect.

But believe me, you have a just-you-you-have-just-good a chance to get that job. And you don't want to work for a racist anyway, okay? Right. So, but if you go in and you can't speak English and you're going the F-word every two minutes and you've got a tattoo of a panther on your neck, this is a good, chance you're not going to get the job. That is totally true, but that is not a vast majority of African Americans out in this world. And you have to take that

into consideration as well. Now, you might look at some members of the hip-hop community, and you might see them acting a certain way, which is unfortunate, and we don't hesitate to call them out for that. But we also see a lot of these hip-hop artists doing fantastic things within the community, within the world. Okay, but that doesn't justify. Look, Jay-Z sold crack. or he killed people, all right? I have no respect for him.

None. Zero. Well, he's, and he's a friend of mine. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm a truthful man. He sold crack. So am I. So am I. So if he would come out and he would say, I was absolutely wrong, don't use crack, all right?

That was horrible. And I'm saying to you is you can do two things at once. You can admit exactly what Bill O'Reilly said. And then turn around and say, excuse me, this is what I had to do to survive because the opportunity I don't believe that for a second. Well, tell me, tell me, someone, you don't believe that. No, because there are most African Americans don't sell crack. I understand that, but you're using a specific incident.

I'm going to a macro perspective. There are an abundance of situations involving males in the African American community where trying times present themselves and challenges present themselves. I was fortunate and blessed enough to have a mother. and a father in the home, Bill, even though my father was to do it. And that's why I feel terrible about the unsupervised children, not just African Americans, but all of them who get involved with this hip hop, which is going to hurt them. Last question.

Wouldn't it be better? Not simple of that, but okay. Wouldn't it be better for the world if Motown came back and all of the good songs that we still listened to 50, 60 years later? Okay, dominated the music industry and not this other garbage. Wouldn't that be better? I think a lot of it exists now. You've got a lot of beautiful artists out here.

Have you ever listened to Joe? Have you ever listened to an abundance of other guys out there with some great music, some great albums out there and whatever? Everybody can't be Prince, Michael Jackson, The Temptations, The Four Tops. You forgot to mention the Osley brothers. Let's not forget about that, Teddy Pentegras, Luther Vantros. You had a whole bunch of artists that were absolutely fabulous. I got to stop you there.

On Cuomo tonight, if we have time, you asked me about going to the Isley Brothers concert. Okay? I was the only white guy in there. The only white guy. I remember you told me. Okay. You told me there.

And the crowd. But see, here's your problem. This is your problem. You think you're loved because you, you know, Bill O'Reilly is right and he tells the truth. That's not why you're respected and why you can walk anywhere, even when people disagree with you. Do you know what the real reason is, Bill? Tell me.

Even if we think you're wrong, we know you mean what you say. You believe it. You feel it. We could go on and on about this particular conversation. I could have corrected you on a few things. But I know that your foundation, the foundation of your belief has some merit and you're bold enough and brave enough to say it. And to say it respectfully rather than hide it behind some curtains. So that's where it comes from.

But it ain't because we think you write all the time because we don't think you right all the time. No, no. And I don't want you to think I'm right. I just try to make an overwhelming case. And that's what the three Americans is all about. That's why it's sweeping the country. You've got three separate guys who all have belief systems who throw it on out there. And then people can say, all right, that's been, that's it.

You see, we'll see you. You could be nice. You could be nice at a Chris Paul. You'd be, that's the only thing we'd miss. You could be nice. You can be nice. He doesn't deserve it.

Okay, I mean, I'll tell you. He just doesn't deserve it. All right, I'll see you soon. Thanks for helping us, I appreciate it. Thank you, man. All right, that was a great discussion. Steve Nays is a really solid guy, just so you know. Back with a final thought in a moment.

All right, here is the final thought of the day. Concierge membership means that if you have a problem, you have a direct email to me and my staff. and we will try to help you solve the problem. But what we're finding out is that many of our concierge members, and we love that, of course, don't take the steps to solve their own problems. Now, I'll just give you one real mundane. I got a letter and says, I'm going to New York City for the first time.

What should I see? Well, there are thousands of things to see in New York City. What am I? Statue of Liberty, Empire State Building, the 9-11 Memorial. I mean, you've got to narrow it down. Okay, you've got to tell me what you want, what you're like. You like museums, you like sports. Then I can guide you.

So when you write to us or concierge and you want problem solved, you got to say, this is what I've done, this is how I've handled so far. Then I can step in. My producer said that we often ask for the names of lawyers so we can talk to your lawyer to see if you're being represented in a honest way. More than 50% of people won't give us the lawyer information. We can't help you then. If you give us a lawyer information, we'll get on the phone with the lawyer.

I can report back to you saying, this is what they're doing or this is what they're not doing that they should do, and we told them to do it. So in this life, you have to help yourself. and then other people can assist you more easily. Thank you very much for watching and listening to the No Spin News. We'll see you again tomorrow.