Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - The Media's Election Madness, Jonathan Turley on the Battle for Free Speech, a Shocking Biden Report, Jamaal Bowman's Campaign Rally, Tennessee Trans Legislation Headed to the Supreme Court, & More

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey Bill O'Reilly here. Welcome to the No Spin News, which is gaining rapidly gaining fame. Some say infamy all over the world, stand up for your country. So we are all living in interesting times. as American society undergoes dramatic change. A lot of that change is bad. And when I say that, I mean that traditions that strengthened the USA are being destroyed or broken down.
Starting point is 00:00:41 And we all know that. We do this almost every night. We challenge. And now with the presidential election of November, you really have a clear choice between the progressive left, which controls everything Joe Biden does, and once a quasi-socialistic country woke and all that, and Donald Trump, who you may not like,
Starting point is 00:01:03 but he will keep the country on a traditional path. All right, he's not going to blow up the structure that we have. And that's basically what this is all about, this election, very, very important in history. And when you read my book, Confronting the Presidents, comes out September 10th, you'll see how important this election is. And by extension, the debate on Thursday becomes one of the top debates in our history. And we will have the best coverage in the country by far.
Starting point is 00:01:35 I've already lined it up, and so keep it here. So the press is a part of all this, and that is the subject of the Talking Points memo this evening. I'm going to give you one example of a press outlet you know. You may not read it, but you know it. It's USA Today. So at its height, 40 years ago, USA Today, at a circulation of about 2.5 million readers, because they gave it away free in the airports. It was everywhere.
Starting point is 00:02:09 Hotels gave it to you, that kind of thing. 2.5. You know what the circulation of that is now? About 120,000. from 2.5 million in 89, it's dropped 94% in circulation. And the reason is that Ginnett, the parent company, has changed it into an ideological situation. All right, I'm going to prove that now. So Ginnett is a parent company, and Gannett lost an astounding amount of money last year.
Starting point is 00:02:47 It lost $28 million in 2003, and that's down from $78 million in 22. And the reason it lost less in 23 is it cut out a lot of its paper. So it's hard to get USA Today paper. It's online. So they cut those costs, but it's still losing $25 million a year. And it's not going to be around much longer. The whole Ginnett thing is going over the clip. And again, it's because of ideology.
Starting point is 00:03:20 Because traditional people, they don't want to read propaganda. And they won't. So here's the latest headline in USA today. Put it up there. Full screen on the radio. I'll read it to you. Trump spent the weekend lying Biden prepped. Isn't that nice?
Starting point is 00:03:43 That sounds real objective to me. Trump's spent the weekend lying the whole weekend. He just lied all through Friday night, Saturday, and Sunday. I don't know if he stopped lying Sunday midnight, but USA Today probably knows. But Biden, he just prepped for the debate. Okay, the writer of this article is a guy named Chris Brennan. All right, he's a columnist for USA Today. And he has a perfect right to say whatever he wants. about Donald Trump or Joe Biden. He's a columnist, but he's a Trump hater. Okay, so under his picture, I just showed you, and the word column is, it should be and Trump hater. So the audience knows what they're getting, and let me back it up. All right, so in June, just a few weeks ago, here's what Brennan wrote, quote, Donald Trump is many things. A bankrupt real estate developer recast on television is a business savant, a New York playboy adjudicated libel for sexual abuse, a law and order politician
Starting point is 00:04:54 convicted of 34 felonies. This has an objective description of Donald Trump, right? It's, come on. So anyway, I could give you more from this guy Brennan, but he hates Donald Trump. Now, you would think that the CEO of Ginnett would know that. And if you're going to use Brennan, then next to Brennan, you have a conservative columnist. That's how fairness is imposed. But no, as John Belushi once said. Okay. And that's why they're going down the drain. Now, the good news is that the media is not going to have much influence on the vote in November. The cable news ratings are cascading down big time. The network news is like doesn't, it's basically a weather forecast. If you watch a network news at 630 or whenever
Starting point is 00:05:51 comes on in your town, all they just run around covering the weather and then blaming it on global warming. That's what they do. Okay. The Washington Post, one of the two big liberal papers lost $77 million last year and is a revolution in its own newsroom. They want to boot Jeff Bezos, the owner out. And the New York Times, well, what can I say? So it's done what these papers and television stations say does not really matter anymore. With one exception, if the race, the vote, is razor tight, razor close. there are uninformed Americans who pick up stuff and maybe the media will tilt them to Biden
Starting point is 00:06:41 but it's certainly not going to be what it was all right the media is shot in America another institution that is evaporating before our eyes and people ask me is it coming back and my answer is no and I will give you my answer in the final thought tonight, because I was on News Nation last night, and I told News Nation, which is trying desperately to get a foothold, and I like News Nation, okay? I told them that
Starting point is 00:07:15 much of the media will never come back, and I'm going to use that sound cut, and that's a memo. All right, Joe Biden is in Camp David rehearsing. Big question is, is he going to be able to remember what he has been memorizing for the last five days? And my answer is, I don't know. So that's the drama. You're not going to learn anything new. Both Trump and Biden are going to say what they've said from day one. All right? Biden's going to go, here's a convicted felon.
Starting point is 00:07:43 Trump's going to go, here's the worst president in history. We won't have a country anymore. I don't know, but the drama is, is you going to be able to stand there for 90 minutes without running out and musseling up Jake Tapper's hair or something? And that's why people will watch. And we'll have a record, a record viewership. Now, do you know this newspaper, The Daily Mail?
Starting point is 00:08:11 This is a British newspaper. It's a tabloid. All right. It is totally unreliable. One of the worst, gutter snipes. All right? But they put out a report yesterday that caught my eye. I cannot verify this report other than to say the stats that the Daily Mail used.
Starting point is 00:08:31 are public, all right, from Delaware. And it's about President Biden's finances. You haven't heard this story because it'll get completely blacked out by the corporate media, but not here. So the story is that the Biden's, Joe and Jill, have two homes in Delaware. Okay? they have refinanced the mortgages on those homes, on average, every 17 months to the tune of $6 million they have taken out of their two homes. I called some real estate people, and they said they've never heard anything like this, ever.
Starting point is 00:09:25 why would you do that? Why do you need $6 million? You have no children in the home. It's just Joe and Jill. And every expense they have, every single one is paid by the taxpayers. Everything. In 2023, they made $620,000. So why on earth are they taken out, million dollars from their homes. I don't know. Now, I know I'm going to get letters speculating. They're giving it to Hunter. They're giving it a Chinese guy. I know. Okay? And if that is what amuses you, go ahead. But for me, as a hardcore journalist, I don't know. But I wanted you to know that this is, according to the Delaware property reports, which have to be made public, this is in stone. It's true. Isn't that interesting? All right. So Trump got some good news today. The New York judge is
Starting point is 00:10:37 lifting a partial gag order on him. And the federal judge in Florida, Jack Smith, the counsel, special counsel, wanted a gag order on the Mar-a-Lago document case, she's not going to give it to him. So Trump is pretty much free to say whatever he wants to say at this point. It's no surprise. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war, shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold.
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Starting point is 00:12:06 Hey, it's Sean Spicer from the Sean Spicer Show podcast, reminding you to tune into my show every day to get your daily dose inside the world of politics. President Trump and his team are shaking up Washington like never before, and we're here. here to cover it from all size, especially on the topics the mainstream media won't. So if you're a political junkie on a late lunch or getting ready for the drive home, new episodes of the Sean Spicer Show podcast drop at 2 p.m. East Coast every day. Make sure you tune in. You can find us at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. And this gag order stuff, the internet censorship, all of that, is a
Starting point is 00:12:50 subject of a new book. I have it here. I've been reading this book for the past 48 hours, the indispensable write free speech in an age of rage. That rhymes. Age of Rage. I could have written that subtitle. It's by Jonathan Turley. You know Turley from Fox News primarily, and he joins us now from D.C. He's a big shot professor at George Washington University Law School. Now, I discovered Turley. I don't know if Turley is admitting this, but I put him on very early on when he was kind of a liberal guy, all right? And now Turley finds himself in a very interesting position where he's defending Donald Trump sometimes and also taking the left to task. So it's an interesting book, and we're going to get to it in a moment. But first of all, what about this
Starting point is 00:13:44 Supreme Court immunity thing for Donald Trump on January 6th. It seems like we're not getting much information out of the court. How do you see it? Well, first of all, Bill, it's great to be back with you again. I do remember when you rescued me from that band of wolves that was raising me in the Amazon and raised me as your own. And so I'm very appreciative. No, but I do appreciate all the work that I was able to do with you early on, and you have also always been a great advocate for free speech, and that's what the book is about. For the Supreme Court, you know, it was an interesting oral argument
Starting point is 00:14:27 because the judges were getting sticker shock on both sides. They did not like the sweeping language of the Trump theory, and they also didn't like the sweeping language of the lower court. They got sticker shock on both those. The lower court gave very little protection for president, and I think they felt that Donald Trump was arguing for too much of an absolute protection. So if that read was correct, they would have to very likely send this case back. So let's say they come up with a more nuanced approach and say, look, we don't think that you should have total immunity,
Starting point is 00:15:05 but we do think there is a need for some of it, and that's going to have to focus on official duties or function. or statements. The problem with how Judge Chutkin has handled this case is she's been all in with the special counsel in getting this trial before the election. And she's turned her court into a rocket docket. It's the type of thing that some of us see over in Virginia in the famous rocket docket court. Things usually don't move that fast in D.C., but they sure have in her courtroom. But this is the last week for the court to decide. Don't they have to make some kind of decision this week? I think they will. And for Chutkin, however, the problem of moving fast is you don't create a record. So if they say, look, we want to know if this is connected to official functions,
Starting point is 00:15:52 they've got to send it back and she's got to hold hearings. Yeah, I think that's what they'll do. But I think, unlike you, you're looking at it, the law, I think there's politics involved here. And I can't prove it, but I believe it, that they don't want this trial before the election. And the federal judge in Florida doesn't want the document trial before the election. They know that there's a lot of, from the Justice Department under Biden, a lot of politics involved in all this stuff. And they don't want that interfering with the vote. So they'll never admit it, but I think that's a good motivator to send it back. Am I wrong?
Starting point is 00:16:35 Well, I think that they may, I think another factor may be that Jack Smith pushed too hard. He kept on trying to circumvent Trump's appellate rights and the appellate process. And to some extent, he succeeded, but not the extent he wanted. The Supreme Court pushed back. And it was clear that they didn't see why the most important thing in this case was to try this guy before the election. Because even if he's convicted, he could still be president. And so I think that also might have played a factor in it. They're not being given the bums rush by this special counsel. Yeah, but I think you're right. It'll go back and that will then make sure that there isn't going to be another show trial before the vote. All right, let's get to the book. So
Starting point is 00:17:17 the indispensable right of freedom of speech on paper exists, all right, in the Constitution. But in the real world, professor, the world I live in, and I don't know whether you live in it or not, but most law professors don't. They're pinheads and they live in a bubble. If you speak your mind in this country, you are putting yourself at risk. People will try to hurt you. Number one, now on page on chapter 27, you go all through this. But I'm wondering how much of a factor, the fear of reprisal has become in America on the subject of freedom of speech. Well, it is an enormous factor. And we saw this building, at least I saw a building decades ago. This came from higher education. We started to see this intolerance, this orthodoxy.
Starting point is 00:18:22 Conservative Republican faculty have been purged for many schools. And in surveys done, and there's multiple surveys. These are self-identifying surveys, surveys where professors are describing themselves. And in about 40% of some of those surveys, there was not a single Republican left on certain faculties. And they have largely replicated themselves. And so the Academy now runs from left to far left. And the level of intolerance is something that I never imagine would take hold of higher education. And that is now metastasized into the media, into the corporate world, into government. And one of the things that this book talks about is that this isn't our first age of rage,
Starting point is 00:19:08 but it's the most dangerous one for free speech. You know that in my mind that's correct. And I'll bring a couple of vivid examples that people might be able to identify more than on college campuses. We all know what's going on many college campuses. campuses, not all, but many, that they just load up with far-left professors and the students are at their mercy. So if you have a conservative student with a far-left zealot in the classroom grading, that student is a good chance their grades are not going to be what they should be. But let's take Hollywood, for example. You cannot support Donald Trump in Hollywood.
Starting point is 00:19:47 Your jobs will dry up. There are a few exceptions. but not many. And everybody in the entertainment industry knows. You support Donald Trump. Jobs are going to be hard to find. In the media, you can't walk into NBC News with a resume that says you work for Fox News. They'll never hire you in a million years. The people in Fox News, a lot of them call me and they say, you know, should I leave?
Starting point is 00:20:19 And I go, where are you going to go? Where are you going to go? Most places aren't going to hire you. Go ahead. It's true. One of the things I talk about in the book is this weird and tragic irony that during the McCarthy period, the left was targeted with blacklisting and canceled campaigns and even prosecutions.
Starting point is 00:20:42 And now it's the left that have taken those very tools and are using it against conservatives, including the language. Before you were asked, are you a communist symbol? Recently, you had a member of Congress accusing conservative justices of being insurrectionist sympathizers. I mean, the language is virtually identical, but what is different here is this alliance. We have never seen this particular array against free speech because historically, the media and academia have supported free speech. So the combination of those with the government and corporations is the most really fearsome
Starting point is 00:21:22 alliance we've ever faced. And they justify it. They justify it. It's very similar to the justification in Germany in the early 1930s. The justification in America is these people, the MAGA people, are so heinous that they have to be denied any kind of way to get their message out. And you see it in the Internet, and Musk broke it. Elon Musk broke it because he's so powerful when he bought Twitter.
Starting point is 00:21:58 But before him, the social media companies, and that's where most Americans get their information now, okay, were basically slapping censorship under the term misinformation on any conservative or traditional point of view. And they will blacken it out. Now, it's not as bad as it was, but it's still there. right yeah and the social media aspects that we go into and I talk about in the book are really chilling I mean a federal judge called them Orwellian because you have the federal court doing what I've said in Congress and testimony is basically censorship by surrogate so they're trying to do indirectly what they can't do directly so they've
Starting point is 00:22:43 given all these grants to academic groups working with social media companies to target conservative voices and groups, to actually target the people who are advertising on them, to squeeze them for revenue. It's right out of the McCarthy period, but they are far more successful than McCarthy ever really was. And that's why we can't assume that free speech can withstand this alliance. We've been watching, and Bill, you know this, because you've been an advocate for free speech in the free press your whole life.
Starting point is 00:23:16 And we've watched this coming from Europe for years. I've been writing about it. And free speech isn't a free fall in Europe, in France, Germany, Italy, England. It is they're criminalizing broader and broader rays of speech. Canada's a nightmare of free speech. And that tide has finally reached our shores. Absolutely. And there are people in this country that really want to see that succeed here.
Starting point is 00:23:41 I have been branded, a racist, every kind of defamatory word has been thrown at me, and I'm not even close to what Donald Trump has gone through. I mean, it's just because they don't just want to silence you, Professor. They want to destroy you. That's how strong the hatred is. You call it rage, it is rage. Now, while researching the book, and it's very, very well researched, my God, I mean, it's 350 pages, and you've got history in there, you got everything in there. Did you find any right-wing, conservative effort to silence the left?
Starting point is 00:24:31 Well, it's far less prominent, and it's very hard to find. One of the reasons is that conservatives don't really control many media outlets, for one thing, even if they were going to do that. You know, there are some legislatures that have passed efforts to try to prevent certain theories from being taught. Those have not been successful. Some of them have been struck down.
Starting point is 00:24:52 But the means to conduct this, this anti-free speech movement is just far, far greater. The left has control of, and I think they most of people will admit of social media, of certainly faculties. And by the
Starting point is 00:25:07 way, when you talk about destroying people, In the chapter, dealing with higher education, I try to go through to explain how bad this has become. I talk about professors that have committed suicide. Sure. Because what they do is they take away everything you value as an intellectual, your ability to publish, your ability to go to conferences. There was one guy in North Carolina that they hounded for years, and they did it again when they found out he gave a joke at a private dinner to like four people. And they hounded him again, put him under investigation, and got him to agree to resign. And on the last day, his last day is a professor, he went home and blew his brains out.
Starting point is 00:25:50 And the reason is I think he thought, this is my last day. This is the only thing I ever wanted to do. I can understand him. Yeah, they took his life away from him. Now, you have tenure, right, at George Washington University. That's how you're protected. I do. I've had probably the longest standing cancel campaign in higher education.
Starting point is 00:26:08 because the campaign to fire me started when I testified in the Clinton impeachment. Then it went even more wild when I testified in the Trump impeachment. And it's very hard to fire a tenured, chaired professor, but they are still trying. I've had lawyers at leading firms go to the university to say, we will boycott you until you fire Turley, because we don't like his views on free speech, the fact that he has said these things about. Trump and the problems of these prosecutions. Well, I'm giving your book the highest recommendation from Bill O'Reilly.com,
Starting point is 00:26:46 the indispensable right, free speech, and an age of rage, Jonathan Turley. So we hope all our listeners and viewers worldwide will consider the book. And we really appreciate your time. You know, you're on TV every hour on the hour now. But it's good. But you and Victor Davis Hanson, I got to say this personally, I read everything you guys put out. Now, I don't, you know, me, I'm pretty cantankerous, so I'm finding little things where, you know. But that is my highest compliment, because I'm so busy, I can't see straight.
Starting point is 00:27:25 But when I see Hanson or you writing on the hill or a column, even if it's something I'm not particularly interested, I read it. So keep doing what you do, I really appreciate it. Good luck, and I hope we could talk again. Thank you. Thank you, Bill. Okay. Hey, I'm Caitlin Becker, the host of the New York Postcast, and I've got exactly what you need to start your weekdays. Every morning, I'll bring you the stories that matter,
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Starting point is 00:28:53 All right. Now, it is the Democratic primary in New York State today. The big race is squad member, Congressman Jamal Bowman. He's the guy that pulled a fire alarm. to stop a vote he represents the 16th congressional district that's westchester county and part of the bronx all right so he's running behind he's going to lose but he held a rally saturday in mott haven the bronx roll the tape fucking stric this one soup on new daddy i'm not on good i'm in miami i'm from cruci if you in miami for
Starting point is 00:29:42 let's go run stop his damn be brinket mother f*** this like this guy's seven right my f*** is a bunch that's true oh no why you turn it off keep that going to stop for these philosophies and i'm bobbytees can't define them i'll be trumpin these pothoies So that was Ocasio Cortez, another congresswoman jumping around.
Starting point is 00:30:13 I don't know whether she was auditioning for American bandstand or what, but that was her. And then Bowman comes on and curses for about 45 minutes. Bernie Sanders was there. I didn't see Bernie jumping around. I think he's 97, so that's hard. But here's a simple question. I'm a simple man. Is that what you want?
Starting point is 00:30:34 representing America? That? Okay. Gender affirming care, Tennessee passes a law. Here's what the law says, okay. It prohibits a health care provider from performing on a minor or administrating to a minor, if the performance of administration of the procedure is for the purpose of enabling a minor to identify with or live as a purported identity inconsistent with the minor's sex. That means in Tennessee, you cannot change or encourage a minor to change their gender. What the law means. Supreme Court's going to hear it. Of course, it's been challenged by, I think it's the ACLU or another far left group.
Starting point is 00:31:33 that will that decision will be made around christmas time but they took the case as they should have Oakland as you know the uh we reported it earlier this week the mayor sheng tao all right is uh might be recall it's going to be on a ballot in Oakland 38 years old city of Oakland is a catastrophe now the FBI raided her house took a lot of her stuff And apparently, this all is to do about Mayor Thao getting money. Oh, those communists, they like the money, but I can't convict her. Okay, that's not fair, due process. The FBI went in and raided the home.
Starting point is 00:32:26 So in addition to being subject to a recall vote, she may be subject to a felony charge. We'll see. Smart life. This is an important smart life. Okay. So I want you to write down this website. Go get a pencil or a page. I'll give it to you in a moment. But it's very important that you do this. Okay. So it's hot. It's summer. As Dennis Miller said, in the summer, it gets hot. Everybody knows that. If you are going in the sun, you are out of your blank in mind. Because the sun is more intense than it used to be. And skin, cancer is killing millions of people all over the world. Here's the website, Academy, American Academy of Dermatology, AAD.org. Can't get simpler. AAD.org. Go to that website, and they will instruct you on how to examine yourself, and it's hard on your back and stuff like that, but if there's anything that's not, that wasn't there a month ago, and now is, you've got to get a checked out. Until my father died from melanoma, a lot of you know that.
Starting point is 00:33:44 And the reason he died from it was that he ignored it. He had stuff and he didn't go in. I'm going in Monday because this is some stupid thing on my ankle that I want the dermatologist, and I have one of the best, take a look at. You need to do the same. particularly if you're fair, okay? Blue eyes, green eyes, sun is not our friend. Smart life. Stay in history of June 25, 1950, the Korean War broke out. Seventy four years ago, the communists in the north using Soviet weaponry invaded South Korea. After World War II,
Starting point is 00:34:26 the Korean Peninsula was divided into two sections. Communist North, run by the Soviets, Free South, run by the USA. The North invades the South, 74 years ago. Harry Truman and the United Nations send troops over, and it's a bloody mess, and it gets no publicity. So listen to the casualties. USA suffered 137,000 casualties in the Korean War. Okay. 37,000 killed, 92,000 wounded, about 4,000 missing. They're dead. All right. The Koreans, both north and south, four million casualties. Four million. Now, the war came to an end because there
Starting point is 00:35:18 was an armistice, not a treaty. Okay? It took about three years to get there. And Truman, At that time, it was Eisenhower. Eisenhower, had no K, cessation of fighting, but no treaty. And we have 30,000 American troops in South Korea right now to prevent the nut in North Korea from invading. That happened in Korean War 74 years ago today. Back with the final thought in a moment. All right, there's a final thought of the day as on News Nation last night.
Starting point is 00:35:53 We're talking about the CNN anchor who threw off the show, her show, the Trump spokeswoman. You know about it. I led with it last night, and a big story. Okay? So Vitterd, Leland Vitterd, says, you know, why is this happening? And here's what my reply was. Go.
Starting point is 00:36:12 If they say something stupid, you should be smart enough as an interviewer to go right in and hammer them. That's what journalism's supposed to be. But it's vanishing before our eyes, because these angrivolves. because these anchors and hosts and everything else, they don't know how to do it. I mean, for me, 50 years, I know what I'm doing, Leland. I would have just absolutely on either side relish that opportunity. And as he said last night, if I'm the anchor that CNN morning show,
Starting point is 00:36:48 and I'm bragging now, and that's terrible, you know, Number one, the show would be, in the morning would be number one, okay, because I would make it into a must-see TV, like we did with the factor in the no-spin news. But number two, if the Trump spokesperson came in and started attacking a colleague of mine, I would allow that. And then I would say, as I mentioned last night, well, wait a minute, your guy, Donald Trump, agreed to be interviewed in the debate. by Jake Tapper. What are you whining about? That's a great question. And on the other side, okay, the CNN anchor, what is she doing? That's great television. Okay. You should be able to handle that. And if you don't like it, then tell the person you don't like it. But the Trump spokesperson could prove that Tapper and Bash hate Trump. And that puts the CNN anchor in a bad spot.
Starting point is 00:37:57 Unless she lies. And she can't lie because it's on a record. But if I'm the anchor, I'm anticipating that. Okay. But look, you know, that's why you watch me. You watch cable news or network news now. You know, they don't know what they're doing. Generally speaking, There's some very good talent. The reason Fox News is number one isn't because it's conservative. It's got much better talent than MSNBC or CNN. Talent is better, just like an athletic team. Team is better.
Starting point is 00:38:33 Hits better, pitch is better. Okay, but even if you compare FNC now to what it was 10 years ago, it's not even in the same hemisphere. And you know that. I mean, I'm not telling you anything you don't know. but the lack of skill on television news now stunning and there's nobody coming up there's no minor leagues can't go to Chicago or New York to get local people to put them on nationally don't exist because the corporations don't want that now they want to play to the choir they can
Starting point is 00:39:13 make money playing the choir not as much money as we made We made billions, okay? But they could still eke out some money. Unlike the newspaper industry, which is totally in disarray. Thank you very much for watching and listening. Make sure you stay with us all week. We're gonna have the best debate coverage.
Starting point is 00:39:34 We'll see you tomorrow.

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