Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - Trade War Escalates With China, Elon Musk Clashes With Peter Navarro Over Tariff Policies, President Trump vs. CBS, & Cornel West on the Age of Division

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

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I have to look, because that's my job to report to you. You don't have to look. Okay, and if I were you, I wouldn't. Just let it play. out, this terror of madness, okay? Don't get caught up in it. Do not let it affect your personality. Don't get depressed. Don't get angry. Don't do any of those things. You cannot control this. Now tomorrow I'm going to talk about capitalism and the dangers of capitalism. I'll begin with the message of the day in the morning on Wednesday, which I hope you read, because that's what this is all

about it's about capitalism and capitalism is hard and it's risky so anyway that's my advice personally to you and the talking points memo will bring you right up to date on where we are so i do expect that most nations in the world will make negotiations with the united states happen soon from those negotiations i expect deals to emerge And the reason I expect this is it's Donald Trump's legacy. If the American economy falters, his legacy will falter. Think George Bush the elder. Think him because it just blew up right in his face.

And his son, George Bush, the younger, his legacy was was absolutely damaged by the economy in the last part of his second term. Donald Trump wants to go on Mount Rushmore. The joke is, if there's no room, he'll buy his own mount. Okay. But he wants to go out as one of the greats. And he can't if this doesn't work. So I'm putting my money on the President's power

to bring prosperity from this madness. I could be wrong. Now let's get to the facts. The only nation that's not going to play ball, sorry for the cliché, is China. China is a ruthless enemy of the United States. Here are the facts. Last year, China derived about $300 billion more in trade than we got from them. 300 billion. Second was Mexico with 172 million. I mean, Mexico is doing great with the USA.

But China, way out there. We buy more Chinese goods than any other place on earth by far. There are 1.5 billion people in China. 1.5 billion. They need to feed them. China needs us. And nobody wants the yuan, their currency. That's why China has invested an astounding amount of money in the USA. I'll get to that in a moment. China is using the $300 billion a year to fund its war machine. Donald Trump knows that. China's now not building its military force.

for defensive purposes. It has more than enough defense. It is building its military for offensive purposes. It is using US trade dollars to do that. Again, nobody wants China's currency. They have to do business in dollars. OK. Now, China Invest is holding $760 billion in US investments.

Those are bonds, real estate, company investments, TikTok, all of that, 760. China can pull that money out of here. If it does, we'll go into a severe recession. So you can see both sides have a huge amount at stake. This is a trade war. Not with the other countries. Canada, Mexico, they'll make deals.

EU, they'll make deals. Israel's already made it still, okay? So, but China, very, very risky. All right. Now, last night at 7 o'clock, I turned on CNN because, again, I have to accumulate information. And Aaron Burnett was the anchor. And Aaron Burnett is a very smart woman. She is a left-wing person, because that's the culture at CNN.

Can't hold a show there unless you're a liberal. Cannot. But she's not alone. But I was listening to her commentary, and she was sympathizing with China, as Mick Jagger might put it, sympathizing with the devil. Roll the tape. And it sounds deeply unsurious. It sounds made up.

It sounds petulant. On what basis, another 50 percent? And by the way, he says this is happening Wednesday. So here's the situation. If Trump says he's going to hit China with another 50 percent tariff on top of the 34 percent that he just put on all goods from China, which comes on top of the 20% already in place, that means U.S. tariffs on everything from China of 104%. So just going off the new tariffs in the past week,

just those, buying something that was $10 from China a week ago, if you went online at Amazon, it came from China, it was $10, it would be $8.15, I'm sorry, and $50 on Wednesday. $10 a week ago, $18.50 on Wednesday. That's insane. Why is that insane? Don't buy it. Don't buy it.

What don't you understand about China's cheating? What don't you understand about China's threat not only to America but to the world? Don't buy Chinese stuff. Here's what I said on News Nation. I turned on CNN. I wanted to get a wider look at reaction to what Trump did today. And the anchor at 7 is a very smart woman. She's an ideologue for Dulep, but she's not a nut.

To my shock, she was almost sympathizing with China. Let me tell you about China. They're the worst cheaters on the planet. They steal. Every untoward thing that you could do economically, they do. Every year, the United States sends $300 billion more to China than they send to us in trade. $300 billion, with a population of $5 million, takes more U.S. goods than China. Ireland!

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kind of quasi-military stuff. All right, you get it? So why would anybody on the planet sympathize with China? All right, let's sum up. This is very dangerous. It's a trade war. I'm hoping that Xi and Trump will meet in June. I know negotiations are underway.

I'm actually scheduled to go to China at the end of May. That has nothing to do with anything, but if I disappear, you'll know why. The Biden administration did not care at all about this as a footnote. And they're trying to do absolutely what China wanted to do. So it is a shock. So the Trump administration is shocking Beijing, and that's the memo. All right, inside the Trump administration, there is a brawl between the Senior Council for Trade and Manufacturing Peter Navarro and Elon Musk. so it started when musk kind of said i really don't like the tariffs and here's how novaro replied

when it comes to tariffs and trade we all understand in the white house and the american people understand that elan's a car manufacturer but he's not a car manufacturer he's a car assembler in many cases if you go to his texas plant a good part of the engines that that he gets which is in the EV case is the batteries come from Japan and come from China. The electronics come from Taiwan. The tires come. What we want, and the difference is, in our thinking, and Elon's on this, is that we want the tires made in Akron. All right, so Trump, Alon didn't like that very much, and he posts on X, quote, Navarro is truly a moron. What he says, here is demonstrably false. Then Elon puts up, Tesla has the most American-made cars. Navarro is

dumber than a sack of rocks, unquote. So boys, boys. Now I believe that Elon Musk will go back back to the private sector soon. I have no inside information about that, but that's, I think, will happen. Could be wrong. But it's interesting, this tariff thing is now, you know, it's causing a lot of turbulence. Stock market, up, down, and out. I know, I'm not taking it seriously. I have resigned myself to a six-month period of pain. if you will. I think by the fall, then things will even out a little bit. I hope they do, but I'm not going day to day on it. I'm not. Okay, it's crazy. As I said in the beginning, don't let it affect your personality. Now yesterday, CNBC reported a false story that caused the

stock market to rocket up. Here's what CNBC said. I think we do have some headlines. I think we can go with this headline. Apparently, Hassett's been saying that Trump will consider a 90-day pause in tariffs for all countries, except for China. Except for China. Oh, well, that's cute. No, it wasn't huge. It was not true. So 19 minutes later, CNBC had to come back and say this. I spoke to Caroline Levitt, the White House Press Secretary on the phone just a short time ago, and she tells me it is quote unquote,

fake news that the White House is considering a 90-day pause. So the White House pouring cold water on this idea, wherever it came from. Well, that came from you. Okay, see NBC. That's where it came from. Oh, don't give me wherever it came from. You reported it. I don't know, NBC News totally collapsed.

It's 100%. What the deuce is going on over there? Believe me, I'm in charge of NBC News. Sorry. Those people are gone. You can't do that. They do it. All right. Big story. Supreme Court supporting President Trump in his quest to deport criminal migrants to El Salvador. So the Trump administration is using the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, which were huge acts, but here's the part. Quote, this is 70, that it shall be lawful for the president of the United States at any time during the

continuance of this act to order all such aliens as he judged dangerous to the peace of safety of the United States or shall have reasonable grounds to suspect are concerned any treasonable or secret machinations against the government thereof to depart out of the territory of the United States. So the Trump administration says, hey, these undocumented gang members are dangerous in the United States and we're going to boot them. And the federal judge, James of Bosberg, U.S. District Court, Washington goes, oh, you can't, no, no, we're stopping it, and then it goes to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court says you can, but here's the real important part. The Supreme Court ruled five to four, Amy Coney-Barritt, joined the liberals, that, yes, President has the power, But due process has to be respected. However, Boseberg has no jurisdiction. That's the key. The judge that has the jurisdiction, the federal judges, in Texas, where those gang members were being held before they would ship back to El Salvador. That's the key.

So all of these other judges, Spokane, Washington, all of these hand-picked cherry-picked judges that are trying to stop. the Trump orders are going to be knocked out because they don't have jurisdiction. I told you that when all this started to happen. That's the big thing here. Now, the migrants should have due process. And that brings us to Kilmar Garcia. He's a Marylander who the Trump administration admitted was deported by mistake.

He's in the country. He's going through the asylum process. A judge has issued an order of protection that, against his deportation, but they booted him out anyway. And now he's in El Salvador. He shouldn't be in El Salvador. He should be back in Maryland with his wife and kids. That's due process.

So the Supreme Court did comment on his case, says, look, we're going to take a look at it. I can guarantee you 100% that this man will be back here. And he should be. If I were President Trump, I would say, I'm bringing them back. I'm sending a plane down to get him. That's what I would do, because that's the right thing to do. The man was under a judge's order here. He applied for asylum here.

If the judge says the asylum claim is not worthy, then he goes back home. That's the way it works. All right, Donald Trump versus CBS. Yes, this is about 60 Minutes helping Kamala Harris, which they did. No doubt about it. 60 Minutes helped Kamala Harris. And every Sunday, if you watch 60 Minutes, they try to hurt Donald Trump every week. So now there's arbitration, a mediator in this case.

Trump and CBS have agreed to have mediation, which means Trump wins. He's going to win this. just like he won against ABC and George Stepanopoulos. And CBS off the right, his library a check. That's what I think will happen. There's the update on that. Iran. So both Israel and the USA have told the world quite clearly

they are not going to let Iran develop a nuclear weapon. That's not going to change. Now, say the Democrats win in four years, Biden would have let them. Biden was giving them money, the mullers. Billions of dollars, Biden was giving them for no reason. Okay? But Trump and Netanyar going, no.

So now there are a talk scheduled for Saturday about this. And here's what President Trump said about it. And I think everybody agrees that doing a deal would be preferable to doing the obvious. and the obvious is not something that i want to be involved with or frankly that israel wants to be involved with if they can avoid it right the obvious is that the air power from israel and the u.s.a would attack iran and just destroy its infrastructure and the persian people would obviously be harmed now they wouldn't bomb civilian centers they bomb the ports and the military and just take out everybody all military capability i hope it doesn't happen

who wants that nobody the world does not need that but we can't the world can't let iran have a nuclear weapon get it joe biden i don't even where joe is colorado used to live there 78 to 80 loved it why did i like living in colorado traditional state back then now it's Radical left. Stunning. The Boulder mentality is taken over Denver. Okay. So the legislature, House,

pushed through a bill. Here's what the bill is. Quote, this is from a summation by Fox News. The bills were passed include SB 25-183, which requires taxpayers to fund abortion, HB-25-13-0-9. mandating insurers cover transgender procedures, regardless of age. H.P. 251312 imposes state-manded gender policies on schools, considers it coercive control

in child custody cases when a parent does not affirm a child's gender identity, and SB 25-129, which prohibits cooperation without state investigations on transgender procedures and abortion services. Okay, so that's clearly unconstitutional because of the Hyde Amendment, you cannot force people of religious people, non-religioners who don't believe in abortion and pay for it. Colorado doesn't care, taking all parental rights away. If you're a parent in Colorado, you have no rights now. If this is signed by the dopey governor out there, who's a total loon, okay, and probably will be signed. You have no rights. You're 10-year-old going to be, oh, I want to be a girl, and you can't stop it under Colorado law. This is just insane.

So the good people of Colorado, and there are many, you need to get off your skis, you need to get out in the streets, and you need to write this wrong. Throw these people out of office. All right, let's bring in a guy who sees it differently. I've known him a long time. His name is Cornell West. All right, he is a college professor taught at Harvard, Princeton,

and he's now at the Union Theological Seminary. He's got a new book out with another professor, Robert George, here's the book. He's reading it last night, Truth Matters, dialogue on fruitful disagreement in an age of division. I guess Professor George is a little more conservative than Cornell West, but Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is more conservative than Dr. West.

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I have a big problem with equity, the favoring certain groups because of gender, skin color, that kind of effect. Am I wrong? Well, I mean, one, I think the important thing, though, brother, and thank you so much for having me on. It's been a long time since we've had a chance to have these conversations that we used to have. But the important thing is just trying to keep a moral and spiritual compass at the center. So even before we talk about DEI, I talk about foreign policy, it seems to me we're at a moment now where we're seeing a kind of expansion of what I'd call a gangsterizing sensibility. which is push integrity, push honesty, push decency aside.

And so empathy becomes an enemy. Cruelty becomes a strategy. And truth becomes an afterthought. So Brother Robbie George, and he is a conservative, Catholic, brother, who I love very deeply and respect. We talked together for 20 years at Princeton. We have deep ideological and political disagreements, but he's my brother. And he's in many ways like family.

So the question becomes, how do you stay in contact with the human beings? of other people that you have deep disagreement in a moment with your culture as being more and more gangsterized. Give me an example of the gangsterism. Give me one very vivid example of the gangsterism. Yeah, wonderful question. You remember the great Rabbi Heschel said indifference to evils more insidious than evil itself. I think there's an indifference to vulnerable people, the people who are on the margins, people

who are weak and feeble. There's not attempt to embrace and have a compassion, even when we have disagreements in policy. When you make the point, for example, about the brother who was taken to the El Salvadorian prison, right? And we know that they got it wrong because every institution is going to be falling in some ways. He's a human being. They definitely got it wrong. And we ought to bring him back. I don't hear that from any of the officials in Washington.

And they said they're not interested, even though they know that he's there. That's an excellent point. That's an excellent point. Donald Trump, the president, should have said, we're going to bring him back, as I mentioned. Absolutely. All right, let me, let me challenge, let me, let me challenge this at Maris College. You learned this from William and Winiford. There's got to be some moral sensibilities.

I got it. Even in a moment of high-polaristic. And I do not disagree with that. I don't. I think that you have to do the right thing. And the right thing, the right thing is fairly clear to most people. But we live in a country that's divided between the politicians, the ruling class, and the folks. I'll submit to you based on data, because I know you're a big shot Ivy League professor.

Well, union seminary. Union seminary, brother, that. I know, I know, but I got a Harvard degree. You got no Harvard degree from Kennedy School. The American... Well, I don't know about that, but the American people are the most generous people on earth, all right? We give more money to help poor people, marginalized people, than any other population, okay? And our system, both state and local and federal, is loaded, loaded with entitlements for marginalized people. So that you, even the poorest in America, have air conditioning, computers, refrigerators, cars, our poor, live better than European middle class.

So I don't know whether this tsunami wave that you're portraying of insensitivity really exists. Well, my brother, you know we've got about 1.4 homeless people in the country. Mostly drug addicted. Most of the people who cannot earn a living. They don't have televisions. They out in the car. I live in Harlem. I can see them.

I give them money from my pocket. But you know what they're doing with the money? They're buying heroin with it and fentanyl with it. No, no, but some of them are unemployed and actually some of them. Not many. Well, I don't think you can say that. the vast majority on. I spent a lot of time with it.

Well, the stat is between 75 and 80% of homeless people are addicted to substance. That's the stat. Yeah, but that doesn't mean they're not worthy of a certain kind of compassion. No, but you can give them as much money as you want, and the money's going for substance. All right? The only time they see a television is when they steal it and sell it. Come on. But we've got one out of five children who are in poverty, two out of five.

Because their parents are substance abusers. Well, no, no, no, now you know the vast majority of children who are poor don't have parents who are substance abusers. 75% of all. No, no, no, no, come on, we're academics here. 75% of all abused and elected children, neglected children, are the sires of addicted adults. 75%. I haven't seen that statistic.

Now, if that's the case. Department of Health and Human Services, just go to them and they'll give it there. I'd have to see that, though. But for me, whatever their condition, they deserve serious attention because the human beings made an image of God. They deserve to be treated with dignity. Absolutely. That's what we do agree.

You have to isolate them in order to do that. Well, I can understand that, too. But the crucial point is that dignity. because we're living in a time in which is so easy to lose the dignity. So, for example, when we talk about DEI, right? Now, I've never been a big DEI person. Why? Because I believe in truth, justice, and love.

That's what I'm willing to live and die for. I'm not willing to die for diversity, equity, and inclusion. DEI was an attempt to respond to the fact that for so long, black people enslaved for 244 years, 100, nearly 100 years of lynching Jim Crow, Jane Crow, and segregation. And we finally raised the question, how are we going to treat black people fairly and decently in a society where they have not been treated that way? So we started with affirmative action. We had debates over affirmative action. We must ensure that people are qualified. But when they're

qualified, they must not be discriminated against. 100% with you. Why? Because we're concerned about truth. Yep. 100% with you. But here's where you're making your mistake. You don't. You don't correct historical wrongs by creating contemporary wrongs. Oh, I agree. I agree with that. To apply college admission or job acceptance based on skin color or gender is wrong. Oh, I agree with that.

All right. So we're on the same page there for sure. But part of the challenges is still my dear father, as you know for so long, when the pool of the qualified was one in which, going back to the history of Harvard, right? It was anti-Cathletic, was anti-Jewish, was deeply anti-Black. It was the WAS. It was a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant qualified who were chosen. Qualified Irish couldn't get in.

Qualified Jews could. get, for the most part, couldn't get it. Yeah, quotas for Jews, qualified black folk, could all they get in. W.B. the boys, Ph.D. from Harvey, writes a dissertation in German and University of Humboldt in Berlin. He can't think about getting a job in the university. We know that's racist. That's the whole racism, just like you got an anti-Gatholicism, and you had anti-Jewish sentiment. Now you moved to the 60s and we say, oh, now we can expand the pool of the qualified. And we're not talking about the unqualified.

And I agree that that should happen, and that's why I was a big factor in President Obama's Brothers Keeper program, because that's the pathway. And here's my last question for you. I want you to think about this question. I believe that equity, which is now against the law by the executive order of President Trump, creates a culture of dependence and is actually insulting to the people who get hired or accepted in college because of it. It's basically saying to you, you know, you're not good enough to compete. So we're going to get you in here based on something that doesn't have any

do with the competition. And I believe that that creates a culture of dependency that big brother government. This episode is brought to you by Corona. When you're on a beach with an ice cold Corona in hand, how can you now feel centered? But did you know you can get that vibe anywhere? That's because whether after work, at barbecues or at a bar with just a squeeze of slime, Corona brings you La Playa mentality. Because while we all want the beach life, paradise doesn't always have palm trees. Corona, La Playa awaits.

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or a business trip, where your flight's delayed, your phone's at 2% and your dinner, whatever's open. Yeah, here for that too. Enterprise. We're here for it. Okay, or Big Brother Harvard or Princeton and whoever, we're going to decide that you need a little help. I don't think that's right. Last word. I think that you make a very important point. But the crucial thing is, how are we going to make sure that people who have been hated and despised like black folk are treated fairly and justly? Because if you have a history of a country where in the name of marriage, you allow white male mediocrity, and you know there is a history of white. It happened, sure. The history of white.

Absolutely happened. Absolutely happened. Through family connections and legacies and so forth and so on. Where is the fairness? Where is the truth? Where is the compassion? Well, extra help is what I got when I needed it in biology and geometry. An extra help is fine, but not exclusionary equity policies.

The book is Truth Matters. I want everybody. And you know what? You know, it's really worthy. And I'm sorry you left Harvard, by the way. You want to tell us real quick why you left Harvard? Well, we had a major struggle over the issues of the Palestinian struggle of my connection with what's going on in Gaza.

It was all of that, all of that going on. And for me, I believe in lifting every voice. Everybody has a right to be wrong. They have a right to be right. Okay. Well, I can't identify with that, doctor, because I'm never wrong. Right. Thanks for coming on in.

We appreciate it. We'll check it. It's good to see you again. Thank you. Okay. Smart Life. Now listen to this. According to the FBI, Americans over the age of 60 lost $3.4 billion of fraud in

2003, almost all of it on the telephone. It's financial scams, grandparents' scam, tech scams. All right. This is, I don't know, I think the figure is more than this. I think it's more than $3.4 billion. What happens is my phone rings, I don't know, eight, nine times a day for people calling, they don't know who I am or whatever, they're just trying to get my attention, sell me something. But, you know, we all have call ID. We know what that is. The older people don't understand it. Smart life. Never do business on the telephone. Ever.

Do not talk to these people. Say to them, if you have something you want me to take a look at, send it to me. Don't give me your address, by the way. And that's the end of the conversation. You have a mom who's older, a dad who's older. You tell them that. You have to do it. You have to do it.

Because they'll pick up the phone. They'll get engaged. they'll get scammed, they'll give credit card numbers, they'll do this, they'll do that. You've got to stop it. Never do business on the telephone. Smart life. This day in history, just said what Dr. West was talking about. 13th Amendment passes 161 years ago.

That abolished slavery. So the vote in the Senate was 38 to 6. The six senators who wanted to keep slavery were in Kentucky, Indiana, California, and Delaware. Delaware, okay? And California was just a state. What they were doing? No excuse. But here's what's interesting.

It took two other amendments to knock out slavery totally. So Lincoln Emancipation Proclamation, you know all that. That was just for the Confederate states. This 13th Amendment was for everybody. No more slavery in the USA. Can't do it. But then the 14th Amendment, four years later, gave slaves and everybody else full citizenship who lived here. And that's in play today.

Okay? So if you're born here, you're a citizen. President Trump doesn't want that. And some other Americans, too. 15th Amendment, you can't base voting rights on skin color. Everybody votes if they're qualified to vote. They're American citizens. Okay.

Now, at the time of the founding of our republic, the Constitution, no country in Europe banned slavery. No, not one. It was accepted all over the world. And you know what the first country was to ban slavery? Denmark, 1792. How about that? All right. abolish slavery, the anniversary is today.

Final thought, the aftermath of Holly in a moment. So last night I spent two hours writing thank you notes like this with my hand on paper addressing the envelope to people who sent condolences about Holly. Holly passed last month, as you know, got millions of condolences on the internet, millions, if you can believe it worldwide. But some people did write me cards and I tried to answer. I can't answer all of them, but I did write for two hours last night. If you write a thank you note by hand, put an envelope, put a stamp on it, people will remember that that separate you from the email and text brigades. It's dying out, but boy, I felt an opportunity.

obligation to do it. And I thank you once again for all the condolences for Holly. Thank you for watching the No Spin News. I'm Bill O'Reilly. We will see you again tomorrow.