Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - Washington Bishop Attempts to Embarrass Trump, Robert Kaufman on the Presidential Pardon Controversies & What's Really Behind Trump's Executive Orders

Episode Date: January 23, 2025

Tonight's rundown:  Hey BillOReilly.com Premium and Concierge Members, welcome to the No Spin News for Wednesday, January 22, 2025. Stand Up for Your Country.  Talking Points Memo: Bill examines the situation of the Episcopal Bishop of Washington attempting to humiliate Donald Trump. Professor Robert Kaufman enters the No Spin Zone to discuss why Trump issued pardons to individuals convicted for the January 6 riot. Bill's breaking down the executive orders signed by Donald Trump, explaining what they are and what you need to know about them. This Day in History: President Obama signs an executive order to close the Guantanamo Bay prison camp. Final Thought: Bitterness from the far left.  In Case You Missed It: Read Bill's latest column, He's Back For a limited time, get Bill O'Reilly's bestselling The United States of Trump and a No Spin Mug for only $39.95. Get Bill's latest book, CONFRONTING THE PRESIDENTS, out NOW! Now's the time to get a Premium or Concierge Membership to BillOReilly.com, the only place for honest news analysis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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stories that we're going to deal with tonight, and we have the other stuff as well. We begin the talking points memo with this bishop in D.C. who tried to humiliate the President of the United States yesterday, Tuesday. This is a really fascinating story. story. So beginning in 1937 when Franklin Delano Roosevelt was inaugurated on January 20th, the next day a tradition began where the new administration would go to the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. for a prayer service. And ever since 1937, that has happened except for COVID when that was held virtually. Okay. The woman in charge, of the National Cathedral is an Episcopal bishop named Marianne Edgar Buddy.

All right, there she is. She is a radical leftist, and there's no question about it. If you read her tweets, I mean, she's as left as they come. Well, that's okay. I mean, we have freedom of religion, we have freedom of speech. If the Episcopals want to put her in charge, I don't have a beef with that. There are a lot of left-wing Catholic priests. So, Some people believe the Pope is an ardent left winger. I don't have a problem with those kinds of appointments. But in addition to being a bishop and a clerk, Ms. Buddy is an activist. And she's an activist on two fronts, the gay front and the migrant front.

And she doesn't make any, there's no, and you say separation of church and state, you say no taxation on the National Cathedral, Ms. Buddy or Bishop Buddy, whatever she wants to be called. She oversteps that every hour on the hour. That's what she does. And nobody's going to do anything about it. Okay. Enter the Trump administration, the president, the first lady, the vice president, on and on and on and on. Okay, they go there for the prayer service. And here's what the bishop said. Roll it. Let me make one final plea. Mr. President. Millions have put their trust in you.

And as you told the nation yesterday, you have felt the providential hand of a loving God. In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country. We're scared now.

And the people, the people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings who labor in poultry farms and meat packing plants who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals they they may not be citizens or have the proper documentation but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals and that's true but that evades the central point it does not seem to me that the Episcopal bishop wants the law obeyed. Am I misreading her?

It seems to me that Bishop Buddy wants anarchy. Is that merciful? I'll get into it a little bit more. But first let me give you Donald Trump's response. Now, obviously, he's not going to be happy about this, but he should have known what he was walking into to because the Pope, Pope Francis, continually says the same thing. We have to have compassion for the poor, the migrants, and you can't punish them.

100% of the time, as what Pope Francis says, and I'm sure that's what Bishop Buddy says. The Donald Trump should have known us where he's walking in. I wouldn't have gone to that prayer service if I were the president. I would have said, look, he's going to try to denigrate me. It's not a hard analysis, so I would have gone somewhere else. Okay, here's what the president replied on social media. She brought a church into the world of politics in a very ungracious way. She was nasty in tone, not compelling or smart.

Failed to mention a large number of illegal migrants that come into a country and kill people. Okay, that's true. She didn't mention them. And that's where the mercy aspect comes in. So I'm a Catholic, you know that, and I understand my theology very well. I wrote killing Jesus, not a religious book, but I bet. Let's see, 16 years of Catholic education, I get it. I know what it is.

And the command in the New Testament, which Christians follow, is be merciful, and help the poor. And that's what, Bishop Buddy, Pope Francis, that's what they try to do, and that's the right thing to do. But it's not the exclusive thing to do. Because you are not being merciful, Bishop, and I'm directing my comments to you, Madam, by failing to obey the law.

You are putting people at risk. You are hurting people. The family of Lake and Riley will never get over it. The family of Kate Steinley will never get over it. And I could name 5,000 other families at least because of anarchy. Because the Biden administration would not obey federal law. And you cheered the Biden administration on, didn't you, madam? You cheered it on.

That's irresponsible. That's not rendering to Caesar. You want the laws passed about migration in this country? Good. You petition Congress for a change. And I'll back you up. If I think a new law is good for this country, I will support you. But don't give me a one-way street here on a theology.

Now, for Pope Francis, it's different because he's in the liberation theology movement. You have to understand where he comes from. He was almost killed by Galtieri and the fascists in Argentina, literally killed. He knows that the oligarchy, to quote Bernie Sanders, in South America and Central America, has persecuted poor people for hundreds of years. Well, knows that. And he knows that most migrants, as the bishop pointed out, are good people. They're just trying to improve their lives.

But you don't throw out laws that protect the citizenry in the name of mercy. You pass better laws, more fair laws, and you don't try to humiliate the President of the United States. I can't cast a stone, but if I did that, I'd have to go to confession. I would. because she knew she was going to do that, this bishop buddy. She knew she was going to humiliate him, and she did it anyway. Okay. I think that's a fair analysis.

If you don't, I'd love to hear from you. Bill at bill o'Reilly.com. Bill at bill o'Reilly.com. All right, J6 Pardon's big controversy in the president has not explained why he pardoned 170 individuals who attack police. You've got to do that. Now, you can support President Trump and not agree with everything he does.

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The kind made with real fruit juice, a pinch of Sicilian salt, and the sparkle of the Italian sun. With no added sugar and just 10 or less calories per can, enjoy with love from Italy by san pellegrino chow now i would look at their case there's a guy named lenned pillatera native america it's been in jail in confinement for 50 years all right in the death of FBI agents you know might know the case i'd look at it 50 years a long time he's at the end of his life so there's a compassion there but let's get just back there's a Reuters pull out on pardoning violent people. Fifty-eight percent of the respondents for Reuters say, no. They oppose pardons for individuals convicted of top-tier offenses during January 6th.

Now, if you just caught up and you're a moron and you were just there and, you know, yeah, I wrote the message of the day, please read it on billorrelly.com. I mean, I don't have to be a member. It's going to read it. And I tell you what federal prosecutors did to these people. And it was wrong. And Trump was right in pardoning some of those people, perhaps most. Okay. Biden pardons. So we went over this yesterday. But what you have here is what aboutism? And that's not what we do. So the people trying to defend Trump are going, well, look at Biden. And he tried, 2,500 drug criminals. Yeah, he did. So why? that's different than J6, and then he parted his family members, which is embarrassing to his family

members if they didn't do anything, right? Okay, let's get another point of view on this. Dr. Robert Copman teaches at Pepperdine University, Public Policy. If you haven't been out to Pepperdine in Malibu, it didn't get hurt the doctor with someone before the interview today in a fire, but it's close. It is the best-looking campus in America, Pepperdine. The second best is Salvei Regina in Newport, Rhode Island. Anyway, I like Pepperdine. I've always liked the spirit there. It's not a far-left crazy place. It's, you get a fair cut if you attend Pepperdine. Anyway, doctor, you've been watching this policy stuff. Let's go with the J-6 people first. The president has not explained it, maybe by air time, because we taped this a few hours before it airs.

He will, but at this point, I'd like to hear from him. Do you know why he might have part in those violent people? In this case, I think the president took a decent, defensible instinct too far by not making a reasonable distinction between violent and nonviolent, and particularly seven of those, at least, committed violence against police officers. That's indefensible. President Trump's a victim of the weaponization of the justice system. Many of the people who were brought to trial unfairly in circumstances where the government deliberately chose a jurisdiction,

the way they did with Trump, knowing that they were going to get indictments, convictions, and bankrupt many of these people. So President Trump has a defensible point. For many of the 1600, he did give clemency to or pardon. It is indefensible, however, and I don't think you can't explain it, to pardon those who perpetrated violence. It's disappointing because a few,

days ago, Vice President J.D. Vance said that any type of pardon would make distinction between violent. Right. And Pam Bondi, the new Attorney General, said the same thing. But Trump is an emotional guy, and that's what he does. And he didn't look at all the jackets of the 1,700 people involved in his J6 prosecution. But he had to know. And this is the to Donald Trump. He had to know that by pardoning people who attack police officers, that was going to raise holy hell. Had to know it. And he did it anyway. And that's the mystery. Why? Do you have any theory on it? Well, I've always said that Donald Trump and Richard Nixon share many characteristics,

including underrated talent, and one of Nixon's problems, I assisted him in writing his final book, and he was very candid. He's put this in his books, is that sometimes he was at his worst, not during the battle, but after winning a victory, and he had what Churchill would call a magnanimity deficit. And I understand that that President Trump, who's been under unfair, continuous assault since the, time the networks announced his first victory, has the instinct that he promised these people that he was going to let them out. He was fulfilling a campaign promise. And I think he also knew that he was going to stick it in the eye of many people by doing it, not doing it per se, but going too far. And there's one more component. He's not going to pay a political price for it

because you don't have to run again. No. So this is Donald Trump being Donald. Trump. Yeah, but he calculates things out, but he goes, look, this is going to pass fast, and it will. The big thing is immigration. The big thing is the economy. I'm going to get that up and running. So I said I was going to do this, but he didn't, he could have not done it. And so when I talk to him next, if that's, I don't know whether it'll ever be, but I'm going to say, what was that all about? And maybe I'll get an answer, maybe I won't. I was going to Joe Biden. So when you read that he pardoned his family members, what was the first thing you thought of?

I thought of the stark difference between the first time I met you and what Joe Biden did to Biden's shame. You don't remember I do. The first time I met you was in the Fox studio as I was about to do commentary on the death of Gerald Ford. And General Ford gave Richard Nixon a pardon, a preemptive pardon, which is what Biden did for his family, really at the cost of his political career, and really to save the country turmoil and trauma, and to preserve the founding father's wish that we distinguish between political difference and the criminalization of political behavior. In other words, what Ford did, which was unusual, was done for the noblest of motives. And I agree with that 100%. And conversely, what President Biden did was for the most ignomal of motives. It was to protect him and his family and those who acted illegally from scrutiny, going all the way back to 2014.

A preemptive pardon should be the exception rather than the rule and should be for a public purpose rather than to protect a crime syndicate. And unfortunately, President Biden, who had a very sad presidency because of its failure, really left in shame. And Bill, when you said that President Trump calculates, I agree. And I also think President Trump calculated that President Biden's really deployed. horrible preemptive pardons in extent and scope gave the president a lot more relayed to do what he did in the news cycle. Yeah, because he punted it over Biden's worse, but that doesn't help the country. And that's my main focus here.

No, it doesn't help the country. It's an explanation. Let's all do the right thing, right? But you asked originally, what was President Trump thinking? That's what he was thinking. I can get away with it. I can get away with it. I can get away with it.

Because Biden's worse, right. That's right. Now, I'm going to have Comer on tomorrow, the congressman who's, you know, leading the Biden investigations. And he has got a new book out and he says he's going to continue the investigations. Okay. That's good, I think. And in history, we want to know if a vice president or a president, in this case, Biden held

both offices, took bribes. That's what this is all about. We cut through all the BS. It's about taking bribes. And his family members, it looks like, received money for nothing, as dire straits once sang. Money for nothing because he was vice president and he was president. And so millions of dollars came in and they all cut it up and they all put it in their pocket. All right.

Well, that's illegal. That's selling influence. You can't do it. But the big one is, did Joe Biden himself take money? And that has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt at this point. Would you agree? I agree, but I also think there's a silver lining in this, including with General Millie, who in my view committed treason by telling the Chinese that he would intervene in the event

President Trump exercised his duty as commander-in-chief. And the silver lining is because these people are pardoned, that pardons all past defenses, but they don't get the right to plead the Fifth Amendment. If they are called into Congress and Comer should call them in every one of them. And that means you can call people in and ask them, what did you do? And they don't have the right to plead the Fifth Amendment. So I think the likely consequence is not convictions, but it may illuminate to the country how sordid things were.

And I hope it does. We need that. We can't have these people doing this. I think ironically, because these people no longer complete the Fifth Amendment, we actually are going to learn more this way than probably we would have learned otherwise given a lack of Now they are going to be tried in the court of public opinion. That's right. But you got to know that 50% of the country doesn't care.

I didn't care what they did. I mean, that's just the way it is. But I care because I want history to reflect accurately on who held offices. A doctor, always good to talk to you. We really appreciate your time. It's a pleasure and an honor to be on. Thanks for having me. Sure. Cheers.

Other executive orders. It is fascinating. So, you know, I'd spend all week doing this. I'm an exciting guy, right? And I'm going to run them down for you. Got a pen and pad there. This is the time to pick it up. So you know what you're talking about if this ever comes up.

No, number one. The Justice Department has now given orders to all U.S. attorneys. So remember, there are districts all over the country from Alaska to Key West. And in those districts, there are Justice Department officials called U.S. attorneys. This MailChimp-Forific jingle is brought to you by MailChimp. MailChimp, your marketing with AI and more. Like advanced automations to connect to your store. MailChimp, your marketing and booster clicks.

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Right? That's how it's structured. Every U.S. attorney has now been ordered by Deputy Attorney General Emil Beauvais, B-O-V-E-Y. No, why, B-O-V-E. To look into any state or state or

local official who is not cooperating with federal law. I told you this was going to happen if Trump won. So Gavin Newsom, the mayor of Boston, New York City officials, on and on and on, Governor Pritzker, Illinois. The U.S. Attorney is not going to go in and say, to them, give me all your records. Give me all the requests that you had from Homeland Security to hold certain migrants who have been arrested or whatever. Give me him.

That's going to lead to a lot of trouble, a lot. Can you imagine Pam Bondi, because she'll get confirmed, going up to Boston with handcuffs, Let's put them on Mayor Wu up there. Could happen. So that's the most important executive order. Coming out. Number two, what's the external revenue service? We all know what the internal revenue service is.

They take our money. External is to collect the tariffs that Trump is going to impose worldwide. Collect the money. because we have to get the spending down. Okay, so that's in play now. External Revenue Service. Global minimum tax agreement. We're out of it.

What is it? So this is the G20, most powerful economic nations in the world, agreeing that the lowest tax on corporations is 15%. The U.S. never signed into that, and now it's out completely. Okay. Paris Climate Accord. This is the Green New Deal stuff. We're out.

This is to give money to third world countries to conform with global warming mandates. That money will be stolen across the board, because it always is. So you'll send money to places, I'm not going to name the country, so it's not fair, but you know what I'm talking about. And you got to put a few windmills in there or whatever, and they'll go, okay, never going to see a windmill. Now, this is incredible. Before I left office, Joe Biden pledged $11 billion to the Paris Plymouth Accord, $11 billion. Gone, Trump's not paying it. World Health Organization, this is attached to the U.N.

WHO. Now, this got in trouble with COVID because WHO was covering for the Chinese lab in Wuhan. Gone, we're out. Now, we gave the United States $1.3 billion a year to the WHO, gone out. Suspension of foreign aid for 90 days. So the Trump administration wants to look at what countries are getting money from we, the people, taxpayers, and what they're doing with that money. 90 days is not going to be nearly long enough, but no money goes out for 90 days.

That, you just have to do the math on this. Our commitment to international aid is $63 billion a year. That's what we send free to other countries. So they're going to look at all that. So all this spending cut will get the debt down, the deficit down, and it's good. I like it. And finally, DEI employees in the federal government. So you may know, under Biden, every federal agency had a DEI office, and they were in charge

of making sure that people of certain lifestyles, skin colors got more benefits than other people. That's what DEI is. We give more based on skin color and lifestyle than we would ordinarily get. All of those departments have been suspended by the Trump executive order. And all the people in those departments

have been furloughed but with pay. Because most of them are unionized, and you can't just cut off their money. Now, down the road, they're going to be fired. 90% of it will be gone, vote fired. But you've got to go through the process. Now, those are the headlines that I have for you today, and I'll have more. Did you know that?

Did you know any of that? And particularly you guys who watch cable and network news, did they tell you any of that that I just told you? No. I didn't see it. All I heard was, what about this, what about that, tell me more, what do you make of this, at the end of the day, gibberish. We just gave you solid pieces of information about what Donald Trump is doing in reality,

what is real, what is happening. And you don't get that other places. They're too lazy to do it. Now we go on to the big one, Mexico. James Taylor has a song, Mexico, I like the song, okay? I've never really been, but I'd sure like to go. I've been all over, Mexico. Beautiful country, really nice country, nice folks, the folk, the regular people.

It's the most corrupt country I have ever been to. is close. I've been in Cuba. Close. But Mexico is so corrupt. It's staggering and I will never go there again. And I don't believe, when my friends tell me, oh, I'm going out of Mexico, I go, what? Why? Number one, you're spending money in a country that's doing damage to your own country every day. And number two, you're put your own safety in jeopardy. Nobody's going to protect you in Mexico? There's something bad happens to you? Nobody. All right, so Trump knows all this. And as we reported last night, I've had extensive conversations with him about Mexico. So, last year, Mexico sold $500 billion worth of stuff in the USA. Just let that sink in.

$500 billion. But in Mexico is selling the USA. And here's the kicker. Most people in Mexico are poor. They don't have anything. Yet, they sell $500 billion to us. Okay. Now, we didn't sell nearly that.

In Mexico, people don't have any money. Trump is going, we're going to stop this, and there's going to be a bit more. You know, you buy more stuff. from us, or we're going to slap a 25% tariff on you. Now, this is supposed to go into place February 1st. The best coast just got better. Introducing Quantum of the Seas sailing from L.A. this fall. Conquer next-level thrills on the boldest ship in the West, like flow rider surf sessions,

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If it does, they'll crush the Mexican economy. Destroy it. They'll go into a deep recession very quickly. I don't know where it will because Trump uses the threats of terrorists to negotiate. But concurrently, word of the day, he's also said, you're Mexican drug cartels of terrorist groups. I have the authority to kill you now. But Donald Trump, as president, can kill any designated member of a Mexican drug cartel without any cooperation for Mexico City.

That's how Soleimani got it. If you read my book, Killing the Killers, we go step by step through this. All legal, Congress affirmed it in a war on terror. The terrorists in Mexico, the cartels, do more damage than ISIS and al-Qaeda combined. They've killed millions of Americans. And Biden allowed it by opening the border and making the drugs easy to smuggle in here, fentanyl, heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, on and on and on and on. Our drug addiction problems through the roof here. 75% of all crimes are done by substance abusers and the same number of child abuse.

Because if you're addicted to substance, you're going to abuse your kid. But I ain't care. Yeah, let everybody in. And Cartels says, thank you. And Mexico City, the government there, Obrador, and now Claudia Shambom, they can't do anything against the cartels because their people are all taking money from them. I'm over-generalizing, but you know what I'm talking about. And if you don't take the cartels bribes, the cartels will kill your family, including

your children. So if you're the mayor of a town or a police chief in that town, you have to take the money. or you're going to be dead, and so is your entire family. Because Mexico City can't protect you. Do we all get in this? So Trump wants the migrant stuff to stop, and he'll get that. That's not hard. He's going to get it.

You've got to see very few illegal aliens coming into this country under the Trump administration. But the drugs, he's got to start waxing these guys. Drones, special forces, whatever it takes. because the DEA knows who these guys are, knows where they are. So this Mexico thing, this is a huge story. And I'm on it. Smart life. All right.

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So this is a smart life segment. Japanese green tea tastes terrible, by the way. Put a little honey in it or something, but you might want to check it out. The city in history of January 22nd, 2009, President Obama signs an executive of order. Remember, just elected, just like Trump, closing Guantanamo bet. Okay, eight years, it didn't close Guantanamo Bay. Why didn't he close Guantanamo Bay? Because they had nowhere to put these terrorists. All right, the court's rule, they can't come here. Do Obama to keep it open. All right. So then Trump gets elected and he doesn't, he's not going to close

Guantanamo Bay. But then Biden gets elected. And by, oh, I'm closing to Guantanamo Bay. No, he doesn't close it. There are 15 terrorists in Guantanamo Bay right now, down from 680 at the top. Now, I visited Gitmo twice, July 2002, June 2006. Okay. There I am with the Navy down there, and really was, I reported from down there. It was very interesting to me. But Trump will keep Guantanamo Bay open, and I hope he puts cartel members there. That's what I would do.

I'd swoop them up if you don't have to kill them. I wouldn't kill them if you don't have to. And then jet them right down at Guantanamo. See you like that, Jose? That's what I would do. Okay, final thought about, the despair of the far left coming right back. Okay, as the final thought of the day. I knew that because I have friends who hate Trump, they hate him. There's nothing that he can do

that they're going to like. And I kind of avoid any discussion there because once it reaches that point, there's no rationality. So I talk sport. or something else. You know, I don't have to talk politics. I talk politics for a living. I don't have to do it in my private time. But I knew that the first thing that Trump did to torque off the left was going to just drive these people into hysterics.

And Trump do it too, and that's why he did the J6 pardons the way he did it. He wanted them. He wanted them to go nuts. And they did. They did. You can see it at all the place. Now, does it matter to you and me? Symbolically, it does.

You don't want to give violent people partners. But in reality, it doesn't. This will go away, pretty fast. And then immigration and the economy. Secondly, Ukraine, Gaza. then woke. Those are the five. In the next six months, that's what Trump will be. You're not going to hear a lot of J6 stuff unless their investigations launched into various aspects of that day. I don't expect that to happen. I think the Justice Department's going to go after

the immigration stuff first, the sanctuary city stuff. That's what I think. but who knows? You should know, we are on it. And I have, I think, the best access to the executive branch of any human being in this country. That sounds like bragging, but I can back it up, and you know I can. So I know what's going on. And I'm here to tell you, and that's why you're listening and watching me tonight. Thank you very much for doing that. We'll see you again tomorrow.