Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - We’ll Do It LIVE! — Anthony Scaramucci

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

Former White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci lasted eleven days in that role during the first Trump administration.  Bill O’Reilly talks to him about his tumultuous time in politics, his blue-collar background, his journey from finance to politics, his falling out with President Trump, and being a Republican that supported Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.   0:00 — Intro 3:32 — Growing up and finance 6:23 — Becoming a Republican and Rudy Giuliani 9:50 — Entering politics, Ken Langone, supporting Barack Obama 14:40 — Supporting Mitt Romney’s presidential run 16:16 — Knowing Donald Trump, supporting Jeb Bush 20:02 — Working for Trump and winning the nomination 21:45 — White House Communications Director for 11 days and dismissal 27:44 — Aftermath and marital issues 29:54 — Falling out with President Trump, supporting Joe Biden and Kamala Harris 39:50 — Issues with Biden & Harris 41:24 — Trump and the Culture War 43:22 — Regrets Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I was not the right guy for that job. I'm not a bulldo. I wasn't kissing Trump's ass like these sick of fans. I'm a Republican. I'm not calling you, sell out. No, no, no, I got it. We have the choir. Don't upset.

The choir. Amen. You see the light. Okay. I mean, you're fantastic, by the way. But go ahead. Keep going. Hey, Bill O'Reilly here.

Welcome to another long form. We'll do it live. Our guest today is an interesting guy. Noam he lives in my hometown. on Long Island. His name is Anthony Scaramucci. And I've got, I usually don't do note, extended notes in interviews, but I have to do it because he's got a resume.

It's all over the place, and I don't want to get it wrong. He's got a book coming out in September. All the wrong moves, economic book. Anyway, he's a rich guy, so he's worth listening to. Unfortunately, for Anthony. His book comes out the same day. My book comes out confronting America, so, you know, he's got to compete with me. Collaborate, collaborate.

You know. All right, so here he is, Anthony Scaramucci. Very impressive resume, a Long Island boy. What town? So I was raised in Port Washington. I was born in Minneapolis, a hospital. I think you would remember NASA Hospital. Right, yep.

And my dad was the crane operator out on West Shore Road in Port Washington. And if you remember McCormick Sand and Stone and Stone down there, there's a beautiful golf course there now. And Ken Langone, someone you and I know well, put a monument there to all of the Irish and Italian immigrants that worked in the area. Yeah, still an ethic area. So my dad was a union guy and he was a crane operator there. I didn't get over to that area until very late in life. I was a Levittown boy. Yeah, I remember that.

So you got a law degree from Harvard. That's impressive. B.A. and Economist and Tuffs. And then you start your climb in the financial world, Goldman Sachs, you start your own company, Skybridge Capital, you become very successful, wealthy individual. What would you attribute your success to, first of all, before we get into the politics, which I think are fascinating. But why are you successful? Why? I would say in the beginning, financial, if I would say, I would say reasonably high IQ. I mean, my mother went to the sixth grade and she came back from the parent teacher and said,

you have some kind of Q thing. I don't know what it is. My mother wasn't educated. And I went back to the school. He was a Navy vet. His name was George Kestner. He told me I had a high IQ. So I think that was number one.

Okay. Number two, there was a lot of financial anxiety in my house. which I think you experienced because I've read some of your books. We didn't have any money. Yeah. And so I had a paper out, a Newsday paper out early. I worked at the local key food.

The supermarket is now North Shore Farms because you're from the area. You know, it's right by DiMaggio's. I worked there from age 13 to age 18. And I was a hustler. You're a smart guy born with it, work hard, as many Long Islanders had to do. And then you develop...

Got lucky, though. You develop an interest in finance. Obviously, we're tapiens in New York City, the capital finance in the world. Yeah. You develop an interest in this, and you become successful. Were you a good stock picker? I mean, what was the basis of success?

It's a great question, but I have to go back a second because I think you'll appreciate this. I was clueless and sheltered by my parents. I was in a blue-collar Italian family. We did certain things at certain times. Everybody in the neighborhood bill were putting in sheetrock, clamming, delis, pizzerias, landscaping. That was the neighborhood I grew up in.

And so John Zanetti, my guidance counselor, Shriver High School, Port Washington, went to my parents. I mean, this is old school stuff. They were drinking espresso out of a cast iron pot one night smoking cigaros in the kitchen. And he told them, send your son to the private school, Tufts University, not to the state school, Binghamton. Okay. And my father didn't have any money. And so he said, yeah, Anthony will figure it out and so forth. And then my dad did something for me, which I think you would admire. He cashed his union life insurance policy. To pay your tuition. He gave me a $10,000 check in April of 1982. And that did change my life because I said, oh, my God, this is so important to my mom and dad. That they would do this. They would do this. And they had so much pressure on them financially. You know, it really set a life. bulb off in me, and I worked very hard at Tufts, and that was a piece of luck because Tufts is right down the block from Harvard, because you know the area. You went to Harvard. And the provost of Tufts was very close to some of the people at Harvard. I had high test scores, high grades, got into Harvard

Law School, which enabled me to be even considered for a job interview at Goldman Sachs, because they typically weren't at that time. Yeah, sure. You saw with the upper echelon. Yeah. But, Bill, I went to, I went to Harvard in polyester. I just need you to know that. I was in, I was in, I was in, all poly. I didn't, I didn't know better. Yeah, okay, and so I had to, I had to learn those lessons. Yeah, track suits are not good. Well, it wasn't tracksuits, but it was definitely like a Brooklyn undertaker look, Bill.

How many other siblings were there? So I have an older brother, and I have a younger sister. My older brother got an MBA from NYU. They're all gifted. He's a hard worker. He's a good guy. You know, my sister has a fashion business. Okay, so then you're a prince of the city.

or Wolf of Wall Street or whatever, whatever it is. Goldman wasn't like that, to be honest, but you know the guys at Goldman or not really? No, I don't know any of these people. My whole career has been journalism. I know finance only because of trial and error, but I don't know them. And I don't hang with them. But you become very well known in the city among the big money makers. Well, Rudy Giuliani made my...

So I'll tell you this story. So I'm at Goldman. They give me a desk and a telephone. They want me to be in the wealth management practice. I don't know anybody. My dad wears a greenie to work. He's a crane. You don't know any rich people.

So how can you be in wealth management? How could you be in wealth management? Okay. Also, I don't hit a golf ball and I don't swing a tennis racket. Right, right. But I have a degree and reasonably well spoken, reasonably well read. So now what am I going to do? Well, it turns out if you go to political fundraiser,

bill. You meet a lot of wealthy, influential people. So you start crashing the fundraisers. Start crashing the fundraisers. And do you remember Joe Margiata? Yeah. Okay. So Joe Margiata controlled my father's union. And so when I signed up at the Port Washington Post Office for the Selective Service at age 18 and to register for the draft, I turn on my pops. I said, Dad, am I a Republican or a Democrat? What am I? I don't know what I am. No, no, gee, you're a Republican. You know, the Margiata controls this union. Right. And so I, I'm a Republican. And so I, I became a registered Republican, lifelong Republican. Rudy is running for mayor. I go to work for him. He loses. I'm young Republicans for Rudy Giuliani. This is 1989. Loses the election. He goes to Whiting case, which is not too far from here, and he's going to run again. And I start building a relationship with him, and he's introducing me to people. Were you a fundraiser for him?

Yes, I was. I was. I was a young fundraiser. My first political check bill was 250 U.S. dollars to young Republicans for Rudy Giuliani. So then he gets elected mayor and you stay with him? Oh, that was the best. Oh, no, that was the best. So Rudy gets elected mayor. Right. I have like the best parking pass in New York City. I mean, I can park the car on two wheels on a fire hydrant in front of like Radio City. Right. And, you know, I meet Tony Carbonetti and meet all these different guys. There's another gentleman that I know you know. He goes to church with my father, St. Peter's Church, 5 p.m. Mass every Saturday. And that's California. And that's

Langone. And so my father says, you know, my son is a young Wall Street guy. Could he come meet you? And so, okay, I'm come and meet me. I go to 399 Park. I go, you know, the Seagram's building. I think it's the other building. Anyway, I go upstairs to see Kenny and he helps me my relationship. He introduced me to Dick Grasso. Are you with Giuliani still? With Julianne. Yeah, I'm with Julianne. You're building contacts now. Yeah. So I'm with Giuliani as a volunteer. I'm with Giuliani doing some projects for him as a fundraiser. He's going to run for mayor again. He wins the mayor's race in 93. He's going to run again in 97. I'm with him. I'm with his team. And now the city's opening. I worked for Bob Dole because of Mayor Giuliani. And this is what weird thing about Rudy.

Why did you want to get into politics when you're making all this money in the private sector? Well, because I wasn't at the time. I was getting my, I was drawing resources from the political game and it's networking to create a clientele at Goldman's access. You were melding the politics and the money, not unusual in America. Not unusual in America, but also for somebody like me, with that limited upbringing, not tied to a boarding school, didn't know people in that genre. Sure. And I wasn't a country.

And I wasn't a country club member. All right. So let's then go into politics. So you get a profile in New York, and then you get involved with, Barack Obama's campaign. How did that happen? So I'm with Dole. I work for Dole.

I'm with Pataki, even though Rudy left Pataki to go to Cuomo. I think you probably would remember that. I'm with George W. Bush, but I'm not as politically active as, you know, senior fundraiser. Barack Obama is a fellow Harvard Law School, not my classmate. I'm class of 89. He's class of 1991. He's two years behind me. but I know him. We're playing hoops in the Hemingway Gym together.

So you knew him in school? knew him in school. Not well. I'm not a bull. I'm not going to BS. She was I knew him well, but we knew each other. And one of my buddies was working for him and said, you know, come to the University Club and write him a check, help us out. And I said to myself, well, I'll never know a president. I'll never meet a president of the United States. Let me go and see him. And so I went to go see him at the University Club. It was July of 2007. I handed him a check. I said, you know, we sort of knew each other. in law school. I said, you know, I want to be able to tell people that we knew each other really

well. You're okay with that. And Obama looks and he says, hey, if you double the amount of the check, we'll take it back to Hawaii. Okay. And I ripped up the jack and I doubled it. He was a charming guy. Yeah. Let me tell you something, Bill. You helped him immeasurably. I'm going to tell you how you helped him. He accepted an invitation from you to be interviewed by you during the Republican Convention. Sure. In 2008. And by the way, that viewer's made him attractive to a very large group of independence. I was in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Yeah, you remember that?

And it was a shrewd move because he had to pull me out of Minneapolis to do it, but I had to take it. I treated Obama fairly. I mean, I'm no question what anybody says, but I understood that he was a liberal man who believe that unlike your background and my background, which are similar, that the government really helped us. You know, because he said to me one time during an interview, a Super Bowl interview, you know, you didn't do this on your own bill. You know, you had help from the guard.

I don't see Elizabeth Warren not said. No, I did it. I know government helped me do it. I mean, you might have the road out here, but I paid for that road with my tax money. Yeah, there's no question. So that was. Yeah, that's a misnomer. That's bad philosophy.

Okay. Yeah. But I never bought into his vision. vision of how the country should be run. You apparently did. Okay, so this is, again, doesn't reflect well on me, but we're having a very honest interview. I wrote checks to the following people, Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton in 2000, and Barack Obama. I was a lifelong Republican, but like a Donald Trump writing checks to Kamala Harris or to Chuck Schumer, I lived in New York, it's a Democratic city. Okay, and we know what you're doing.

I've got clients that are saying, hey, you've got to write this check or write that check. So the buy-in was not their bill, but the check was there to fulfill an obligation. And this is a democratic town. And it's a democratic town. And so that's the political reality of it. Right. My fundamental philosophy, if you're asking me about it, is more grounded on the side of the republicans. I'm probably more socially libertarian than the average republicans.

Yeah, because your buddy Ken Langone and founder of Home Depot helped you a lot. He's a soft-made guy. I didn't want to hear any of this. It's a phenomenal book. I love capitalism. Kenny got a phenomenal book. He doesn't want to hear any of this. So I'm a Republican. I've always been a Republican. But you kind of sold out a little bit. Tell me how I did that. Well, by giving money.

I probably did, but tell me how he did it. Given money to the opposition, but it was going to help you achieve what you wanted to do. Yes. Okay. So is that a fair statement? I think so. I'm not calling you a sell out. No, no, I got it. No, I think I think you're being fair in the way you're measuring it. I would just say if you were a business executive in New York, which I never would have been, right, which includes Donald Trump because he, we, he's there. Yeah, he talked about it with me. He wrote checks to Kamala Harris for the Senate. A lot of American

businessmen that are Republicans have written checks to Democrats. You bet. And so if that's a sellout by definition, then I am one, but that's practicality in some ways. My standards are pretty. In Toronto, every arrival is a statement and nothing says it better than than this. Cadillac Optic was the number one selling luxury EV in Canada for 2025. Find your rhythm across a seamless 33-inch display and an immersive 19 speaker AKG surround audio system. This city demands agility and optic delivers with precision to make every drive extraordinary. Let's take the Cadillac. Find out more at Cadillac Canada.ca. Luxury sales claim based on S&P Global Mobility Canadian New Vehicle Total Registrations for calendar year 2025 for the Cadillac definition of luxury.

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Okay. I mean, you're you're fantastic by the way, but go ahead. Keep going. All right. And you're not with Obama. I'm not really with Obama. You switch over to Romney. I gave Obama money, but I'm a lifelong Republican. Well, tell me about the switch. So you're with Obama. Obama wins. He beats McCain. Yeah. Okay. And then all of a sudden, Anthony Scarmucci, who has now a reputation. Yeah. Okay. You're not some anonymous guy anymore. Yeah, I'm doing C and you know, I'm going to go and support Romney against Obama. Why? Well, listen, first of all, I'm a lifelong Republican. Secondarily, there was one thing that Obama did that I said, wow, if we go in this direction, it would be very bad for the country. There was a bankruptcy. General Motors had a bankruptcy. There was a

restructuring that included the American government, and the government took equity in the company. Don't have a problem with that, but they jilted the bondholders of a portion of what they were obligated to. And that could have been a huge lawsuit, and maybe those bondholders would have won against the government. They didn't sue, of course. But it was a... You didn't like it. It was a taking. You know, and you know the Constitution. And the most important, sacred thing for our economy is our property rights. So now you're over back in the Republican side with Romney, who gets waxed. Yeah. And it was largely his fault he lost. Yeah. And then 16 rolls around. Yeah. How well do you know Trump?

Well, I don't think anybody's super well-knows them. You know them better than most to anybody that I know. I would say that I have a relationship with him. I'm invited. I'm at CNBC as a contributor. He builds the apprentice. I get invited to those parties. But you know him. Hi, Anthony. Hi, hi, Anthony. Well, I'll tell you, we did three fundraisers in his Triplex apartment for Mitt Romney in 2012. Okay. So I worked along. You're conversing with him. I went to a Yankee game with him and Regis Philbin one night, House Steinbender's box. Got it. Yeah, I have a relationship with him. I wouldn't call us friends.

Okay. But you support Jeb Bush over Trump when Trump makes the run in 16. Why? Okay. Great, great quick story. I get invited to breakfast at Trump Tower the day after the apprentice. And so I'm already with Bush. And, you know, you've been in that office.

So Trump's desk is here. I'm sitting here looking up at him. And he says to me, you know, I was great on The Apprentice last night. And I'm like, well, you know, I was watching Bill O'Reilly last night. I wasn't watching the embrace. There's a better chance. And he's, oh, you were the only one. My ratings were fantastic.

You know how we talked. Or what the this is. And then he says, but I'm done. It's my last show. I'm running for president. And I looked at him in the same way we're talking. I laughed at him. I said, you're not running for president.

That's what I said to him. You're just doing this for publicity. And by the way, that nudge. night on your show, because I watched your show every night, he was at 2% in the polls. You were showing the polls. Yeah. And I said, you're at 2% in the polls. And then he said something that I will never forget, Bill.

He looked at me, he said, you know, I'm at 2% of the polls. Guys like you and O'Reilly think I'm not running. But I'm serious. I'm going to go right to the top of the polls and I'm going to win. And he goes, you go on TV and you're a New Yorker. You should come work for me. I don't need a lot of money for you. He recruited you.

Yeah, you recruited me. And I said to him, I said, Mr. Trump. I'm with the Bushes. I'm with Jeb. Don't you think Jeb has low energy? It's how we talks, right? I said, no, I don't think so. Turned out he did.

And then he said, okay, tell you what, if he comes out of the race, I want you to come work for me. And I leaned over, I shook his hand. And I think you remember his assistant, Rona. He came out of the race. I think Bush lost the South Carolina primary, if I remember correctly.

Trump called me. I had Romney's deck of all the don't owners with me. Ah. Okay? And I went to Trump Tower with Scott Brown. Do you remember Scott Brown? Sure.

The, uh, he was the senator from Massachusetts guy. Exactly. So Scott and I were a toughs together. And so I, I arrived at Trump Tower with my Romney deck and I, and Scott Brown. And I said, Mr. Trump, this is what we can do. Here's what we can do. Here's the reach that we have. I'll start calling these people.

He wanted me to be finance chair, but I was working at Fox News at the time as the host of Wall Street Week. So I don't know if you remember that show. It was on Fox Business. I bought the show from the Rue Kaiser family. I went to Roger Ailes with the show. And I said, you know, I would like to be the interviewer to all of these business people. We put it on Friday nights at 8 o'clock and then we ran reruns on the weekend.

And Roger took the show from me. And I said, Mr. Trump, if I do that, I won't be able to host the show. I just want to stay hosting the show. So we recruited Stephen Mnuchin. I was on the finance committee. And then I went to work for Mr. Trump. I raised him a lot of money. And he didn't hold it against you that you were a Jeb supporter or anything.

Again, I want to be fair here. In fairness to him, he respected the loyalty to Jeb. He knew he was coming into the race late. And he was like, when he's out of the race, I want you to come over to work for me. And I did. I shook his hand. I went and did that. So then he wins.

He wins, yeah. Surprisingly. You were shocked? I think he was, too. You know, I'll tell you. Surprise? Yeah, 6 p.m. I can tell you exactly what.

I was, sir, 6 p.m., November the 8th, 24th floor, Trump Tower. I was standing outside his office in the portico there, and he looked at me, said, what are you doing tomorrow? I said, well, what do you mean I'm doing? He told me he was going to play golf. He thought for sure he was losing. And I looked at him, I said, well, okay, if you're going to play golf, I'm going back to work. And by 3 o'clock in the morning, Wednesday, you know, he was the president-elect the United States, and he was giving speech. I was shocked, and I wrote about that at confronting the presidents and also in the United States of Trump, because Hillary had set up this big Jake at J. Kidjavits thing,

that she was kind of a big blowout there. Okay, so he's... By the way, she was so shocked. She didn't make a concession speech that night. I don't remember that yet. She waited to the next day. She was a beat... But you know what, sir, we didn't sleep that night.

I was with Trump at 11 a.m. in his office. He never sleeps. The next day, but none of us did that night. And we were all standing there. And, you know, he got doubled. the Secret Service detail. It was a very, it was a very exciting period of time. Okay. So a couple of months later, he's inaugurated, and you're down in D.C. And you get appointed office of public liaison on what that is. What do that? What do you do? So the OPL job is effectively like you're like

a mini commerce secretary inside the White House. And what Trump wanted me to do is be his chief networking officer. He saw me as having good networking skills. And you, it's public and private. So you're You're helping the president liaison to governmental officials, and you're helping him lays on to CEOs. Then you get appointed White House communicators. Okay, so I'm not, so I'm going to be clear. I don't get the job. So Prebus blocks the job. The liaison job?

Yes, I don't get it. So he puts some other person in the job. Trump calls me, I have a blue batch. Okay, that means I have access to the residence. I have access to the West Wing. I have the lanyard the whole thing and Trump tells me to keep the badge I said keep the badge

he didn't give me the job you know keep the badge you've got the security clearance keep the badge we'll find something we're gonna find something for you I want you to come down and work for me

okay and my wife didn't want me to do it but I did and so I let my ego get the better of me go ahead White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci was your father still alive by that he was yes I've been very proud of you

yeah it was a big moment It was a big moment for my family. The big moment was they were invited by the president to the January 21st swearing in as OPL director. Right. And then Wright's previous office called them and said that they were disinvited because I wasn't getting that job. Okay. So that was a secondary moment, you know. And that probably, again, because we're having this very open conversation, the way I was snubbed in the first job probably motivated me.

and got my pride and ego in place to take the second job, which I was unqualified for, by the way. White House Communications Director. Now, that's basically somebody who keeps the trains running. You're not the White House press spokesperson, although you can appear. Well, I did a press conference like day. Right. And do that. But your communications, who wants to talk to the president, who wants to do this, who wants to be that, you're in charge.

then you're out of there in a lightning fast. Yeah, 11 days. Yeah, 11 days your communications director. That was rough. 11 days? What the deuce happened? Well, there were a couple of things that happened. And again, I always own the mistakes.

I never blamed the president or General Kelly. You cursed at somebody, right? Well, they blamed it on that. It were other things that happened, you know, but they blamed it on a New Yorker interview that I had. had where I said that Steve was committing auto fallatio in his office. It was a little more graphic than that. And, you know, I was funny. But anyway, you know, they blamed it on that, but it was more I was not the right guy for that job. And I told the president that. So you've been there.

You weren't right because you're not diplomatic enough? No, I wasn't right because I didn't understand Washington culture. You just brought up Washington culture the way to treat each other. Right. I'm more of a New Yorker. I said that I was a front stabber as opposed to a backstage. I'm an upfront person. I was naive about the culture, if we're being brutally honest. But I also wasn't an experienced com person. I can speak on television. I'm articulate.

I'm well trained at Harvard, but I'm not a comms person. When Trump and I were having the conversation on the 20th of July, I recommended Bill Shine, who's a friend of yours and mine. And he took the job. He did, eventually because he got recruited after. And he was a good communication. He did a very good job. He was the right person for that job.

I was the wrong person. Okay. So I got fired. You get fired by whom? Who fired? General Kelly. Kelly, Chief of Staff. Yeah. I thought I made it. Okay, so here's what happened. On Friday, Kushner told me, okay, if you can survive this, you're going to make it, okay? I said, well, survive it until when? He says, until Monday. Okay, so I flew with the president to Long Island, McGarthur Airport. The president was giving a speech on MS-13 on that Friday. And I said, okay, looks like I'm going to make it. And I said, okay, looks like I'm going to make. it. Okay, Saturday, I was still online Sunday. On Monday, you know, the White House gives you that bad phone that's encrypted with all the anti-spyware, something that Pete Hexas, I guess, didn't use and was using WhatsApp Pete Exx. But anyway, you're supposed to communicate with each other with the bat phone. I turned it on and there was nothing coming in, Bill, and there was nothing going out. They had cut my air supply at 6 a.m. in the morning on that Monday. So I knew. But you still had access to Trump because he was on a plane, playing, giving a speech. Did you ask

and what the deuce was going on? He told me not to worry about it. He told me not to worry about it. He's a conflict of order. I think you know that he didn't fire me himself. He wanted me fired. You think that Trump wanted you out of there? Yeah, no question.

Why? I think he felt that he told Sean Hannity that he made a mistake hiring me for that job. It was the wrong job for me. That's what he told Sean had. And I believe that. I take that to face. Sean's a pretty straight up guy.

Because, I mean, you're cursing at a New York reporter. I think that was a big deal that Trump did be honest. But he curses at everybody, Trump. It's like, I don't, I don't think. I never thought that was a big deal. I don't, I don't think it was that as much as everything. You know, there was a couple of things that he wanted to do that I was uncomfortable with. Like?

Well, you know, he likes, you know, I'll give you an example. If you, if I gave you something to read, you're a very precise guy. I've watched you for 20 years. and I listened to your podcast and I watched your O'Reilly Factor You're a very precise guy So I gave you something and it was factually accurate

See I said you gave you something He said it was 86%. And you would say 86% You'd look in a camera I don't think you would say 96% I don't think you would need to You're a fact-based guy He does he's not like that.

He exaggerates So he wanted to say certain things and he wanted me to say certain things And you didn't want to exaggerate So if you're if you're Sean Spicer You got to exaggerate Getting into the phone. This is the largest crowd that's ever been at any inauguration, and you actually look at the crowd, and it's not the largest crowd.

But everybody knows that of him. Okay, but I'm not that. Okay. So then you become, you go back to finance, making money, right? Yes, but there's a Shawshank redemption going on. I got to go through the sewer pie, right? Because I'm lit up by all the cable news pundits. I'm beaten pretty badly by the late-night comedians.

I'm parodied on Saturday Night Live. That'll last it what? Three days, not long. No, I get it. Well, you're a tough skin guy, so am I. So that wasn't that big of a deal. Right. You know, my wife and I were fighting.

You've met my wife. My wife and I were fighting with each other at the time. About this? Yeah, she doesn't like politics, and she didn't want me to do it. And she thought it was too ego-based. Right. I missed the birth of my son, Bill. He said you were doing some politics.

My son was born on the 24th of July that Monday, and I was with the president. in West Virginia at the Boy Scouts event. And there's a, as you know, there's a 60-mile, no-fly zone around. Couldn't get out. Couldn't get out. But your son will understand that. Well, yeah, listen, the whole thing has been healed. Deerser and I are closer than ever, but there was a strain.

Don't worry about that. There was a strain going on in our marriage. Let's put it that way, which thankfully we healed. Hey, I'll be stray with you. The government is not going to protect your health. You are. That's why I want to tell you about all family pharmacy. out of Boca Raton, Florida.

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little bit. Okay. All right, because I know you. And that's one of the reasons you're on this program because I want to get people who tell the truth. You then become a Biden supporter. Well, that's unfair. That's unfair. You voted for them. Okay, well, let's go back. I'm fired by President Trump. Right. I'm loyal to President Trump. I go on the Stephanopoulos show and say, hey, I deserve to be fired, serve at the leisure of the president. I'm loyal to the president. I'm loyal to the cause I want to help the president. I do a couple other shows. I'm on the Bill Maher show. You go look at the tape, Bill, because you're a tape, sort of a guy. I am defending the president on taxes, on judges, on policy. One thing comes up about the four women from the squad,

and these are the African-American and Hispanic women that are ultra-left. They're in the Congress, and the president puts out on Twitter, it's topical for that week. They should go back to the countries they originally came from. Right. Bill Maher turns to me on the set. I'm defending Trump. He says, well, what about this tweet about these women going back to the other? Now, three of them were born in the U.S., one naturalized from Africa.

I flippantly say to it, well, I don't like that. I'm an Italian American. My grandmother used to cry about that in the 1920s when Native has told her to go back to the country originally came from. He's the President of the United States. It's nativist. He should not talk like that. I'm going for a soda pop with Bill Maher at the end of the show.

I'm backstage with me. He says something to me. I'll never forget. He said, yeah, you're going to get lit up by Trump tomorrow on Twitter. I'm going to get lit up by Trump tomorrow. What the hell are you talking about? He said, I, no, no. You were seven for eight for Trump tonight.

You've got to go 13 for 10. And he's not going to like the thing you said about the nativism. And he's going to light you up tomorrow on Twitter. And I said there is no way. And I bet him there. And then he did. Okay. And by the way, I'm a New Yorker.

Right. So if you're going to light me up, you know, I'm going to let you up. I'm not, you know, I'm not a pansy like these other guys. Sometimes that's not the way to play it, particularly in short term. But I'm more interested in, look, I know. But you want to keep going because there's a thread here. Then he starts attacking my wife. He goes after my wife on Twitter.

He knows I'm having marital problems with her when I get fired. and he says ridiculous things about my wife, like he did about Ted Cruz's wife, like he did about Jeff Bush's wife. And that is a red line item for a guy like me. That is a red line item. By the way, Ivanka, deal with me. I never say anything about her or Don Jr. or Eric, I like them. They never say anything about me, and they would never say anything about my wife.

And I would never say anything about Mrs. Trump, the first lady. nor have you ever seen me say anything about them. Not to justify anybody doing anything, but Bill Maher had it nailed, and you didn't. Which was what? He's going to get you. President's going to get you. Yes, he was right. Yeah, you're correct.

I got that wrong. See, look, I've known him for 35 years. I know exactly what he's capable of doing. But you're a critical of him. I am. But he doesn't come after you. Well, I think he, I think he. understands that I cloak my criticism in the country, not him.

Is it a difference? Let me tell you something. Okay, I work for the guy. I gave the guy a million dollars of my personal dough, and you know, that's half to tax money. I gave him hundreds of hours. So this was a revenge play. I gave him hundreds of, it was not even in a revenge play. It's about having respect for myself and being able to go to a restaurant like

like Rayos, or even in my neighborhood, you're coming after my wife after I asymmetrically did all of these things for you. So you had a punchback? No question. No question. Okay. And by the way, and by the way, I have five children, four sons. And let me tell you something, I want my sons to stick up for themselves.

And last time I checked, we're in a free country with a First Amendment right, and these people work for us. We don't work for them. And if you're going to come after me and attack my family that I'm trying to. to repair. I mean, I'm on the verge of getting a divorce bill. And you know this. And I said something that I probably did say to him, that you break the brocode like that and you go after my wife on the presidential Twitter feed. You know, that's a red line item for a guy like me. And by the way, you know guys like me. Did he ever respond? Did the president ever respond

to your argument about why you went into the Biden camp? Did he ever respond? Never. He's not an apologetic person. Okay. His family did. He's beyond it. You know what? If he were here right now, I think you guys get along. Because he's not vindictive in a sense that he harbors.

Always got along with him. I'm not a bullshitter, Bill. You know, you can tell. But if you knew me and him went to the Nick playoff game. Get along with each other, yeah. Yeah. Bill, I did 71 campaign stops with him. I understand.

You know, you know what pissed off. But that's why it makes it hard for me. You know what pissed off prebus about him is the way I'm talking to you, I talk to Trump. Right. I'm not a bull's I wasn't kissing Trump's ass like these sick of fans. I was talking to him. What Biden and Harris did in the four years

that they were in office was against everything you stand for. Everything. Capitalism. The crypto stuff in particular. Traditional stuff. Open border stuff. I was honest about all that.

But the criticism of Trump that you levied overrode the criticism of Biden and Harris. So, yes. And let me tell you why it's important. Okay. Because CNN and others used

you as a cudgel. Yeah, now you sound like Hannity. Okay. Right. They hit Trump. Yeah. They used you. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. But I, you know, I think you've got to give me a little bit of a benefit of doubt on my intellect that maybe I wanted to be used. It was not like they used me. That's up to you.

They used me without me being aware that they were using me. You were a co-conspirators. I think you have to give me a little bit of a self-awareness judgment. Okay, you have to look at me that. But when I used to watch that stuff, and they do it all the time, by the way. If you are a person that gets into a beef with Trump, you're going to get booked like that. Whereas on the best-selling nonfiction author in the world, I can't get it. I don't know. So, because I might say something good about Trump, and they don't want to hear that.

I don't get booked on Fox anymore. What? They booked me all the time on Fox. They won't book me on Fox, you know, because I... Because you're a critic now. Yeah, but I can also debate, and I also can come with some facts. Nobody wants that anymore. I hear so. You saw it with me. You'll never see it again. But you say nobody wants it, but your podcast is flourishing because everybody wants it.

That's true. They don't want it on corporate media. Corporate doesn't. well, you're, you found an audience that actually wants it. Right. The marching orders from corporate media is, we have the choir, don't upset the choir. Amen. And that's why they booked all of this.

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transactions that are secure, and it would transform our economic innovation, because you and I could go to a restaurant, and we could bypass the three and a half percent credit card charge. There's so many different things we could do that would lead to innovation. So that's number one. The open border was ridiculous because I'm a Milton Friedman person, and I'll quote Milton Friedman here. You can't have a welfare state, which the United States does, and have an open border. Because free market forces dictate that people will cross the border to participate in your welfare state. So that, that's it. To not understand that is ass on him. But you see, what they did was whatever Trump was doing. And this is the problem with

Trump, because he pisses people off in a way where their hair catches on fire. Whatever he was doing that was right, they did the opposite of just because Trump was doing it. You see what I mean? That's an interesting point. Yeah, that's so, hey, man, he's got the border tight. We hate Trump. Let's open the border. Right. Okay. No American wants that. Oh, hey, man, Trump is fighting the culture. You wrote a book maybe 10 years ago, 15 years ago, about. the culture warrior. It was a culture warrior, right? Okay. So I bought that book in the Manhasset, Barnes, and Noble, and I read the book.

And I said to myself, this guy, Bill O'Reilly, is a general in the culture war. He can see the battlefield that's out there. And if you go back to that book, which is 20 years old probably by this time, you predicted a lot of things in that book that was going to happen, Bill. A lot. And let me tell you something about Trump. And I told these people this. he is the general Napoleon of the culture war.

And hear me out for a second. If you read Andrew Roberts' biography about Napoleon, he could see the whole battlefield, and he could anticipate where those generals were moving their troops before they even made the decision to move them. Okay, that's how he was multidimensional thinker on that field. Trump does that. Trump understands the transgender thing in sports.

He understands the woe. He gets the woe culture. He gets the anti-woke culture. he gets the anti-wool culture, he understands the Bible Belt. He told me something once that I will never forget, and I'll share it with you. He said, you know, you're a Wall Street guy. He said, yes, Sam. He goes, I bet you're fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

And I said, I am. Because you know what my base is? I don't want you think about this bill. Trump said that his base is socially conservative, but fiscally liberal. because a lot of its base are working class people, and they need the governmental help. They need the medication. They need some assistance. Which is why he never touches those items like Social Security or medical.

He's not a cutter of those items because he's got very good political instincts, but it's also part of the culture. Right. Okay. He gets the culture. Okay. Last question, and then we're going to hold you over for our premium members just for 10 minutes. All right. Anything you regret in your life?

Oh my God, you don't have fucking enough time for that. You just give me one. Give me one regret, because you've done an amazing amount of things, which is, you know, in this book. Well, that book is an economic tree. It's not a polemic on Trump. No, but economics is part of your profile. That book is an observation of my ears on Wall Street,

growing up in a blue-collar family, working in politics. We've made some wrong moves. bipartisan. I'm not indicting it. No, but you, Anthony Scaramucci, anything you regret, like, want to pull back? I have a lot of regrets. The first one is my first wife, who I was married to for 20 years. The marriage wasn't going well, and I am a conflict avoider. I'm not like that anymore at 62, but in my early 40s, if you really want to know my biggest regret, I needed to have remediated that marriage more honestly. Okay, so personal stuff,

you feel like you would... Yeah, no question. I needed to have been fairer to her to express the... That's noble. Issues, okay? I, you know, I grew up, my dad was a very tough guy. He was a blue-collar guy. He was a little rough in the house, frankly, on all of us. And I think it led to me being a little bit of a conflict

avoider, because I didn't want to replicate his behavior, though. Anything you did with your five kids, you regret? Yes. The way I hand you... that divorce, okay, I have kids with Deirdre, I have three of them. Yeah, coming out of it. And so the way I handled that divorce, I think, hurt my children. I don't think I handled the divorce well. It took me probably seven or eight years to repair that.

I think I've done it generally a good job of repairing that. And I think that comes with reflection. Divor is always rough on kids, no matter what happens. All right. How's that for honesty? Okay, that's actually creating... That's why you're here, Anthony. That's creating forehead sweat, actually.

Okay. I tell all of our guests. luck. Right. Just don't lie to me. You know, Barney Frank passed away a couple of weeks ago. I remember that.

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