Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - We'll Do It Live! — Sen. Lindsey Graham

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

Sen. Lindsey Graham joins Bill O'Reilly to make the case for the Trump administration's Iran action, his relationship with President Trump, Joe Kent, and much more in this extensive interview.    0:00 — Intro 1:19 — Iran & "imminent" 5:00 — Trump's offer to Iran and their threat 8:26 — Joe Kent & Israel 10:50 — Vice President JD Vance 13:08 — The folks and war costs 15:30 — The corporate media 21:16 — Europe and NATO 23:54 — Trump poking the European bear, Obama & Biden 24:58 — Venezuela 27:24 — Ukraine and Putin 30:30 — China 33:42 —China, Russia, Venezuela and Iran 35:15 — Joe Biden's responsibility and the Democrats 37:26 — Social media Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, Bill O'Reilly here. Welcome to We'll Do It Live. Of course, we're not doing it live. We're taping it, but I say we're doing it live because that is the name of the long form program that we're giving you tonight. Okay, you can sue me. I know I'd lose. I would lose. I love this show already. Unbelievable guest because of Iran. And that is Senator Lindsey Graham. He's been in Congress. on a hill for more than 30 years. A lot of people who know this, but the Senator was jagged for the Air Force. And he knows more about Iran than anyone. And I'm saying that as someone who knows a lot about it myself. So this is not going to be a boring conversation between two pinheads. We're going to learn something here.

And it's very important that the world know what's really going on. So Senator, thanks for taking the time. Hey, thanks a bunch. I hear you, I'm your first politician? Yeah, we do back and forth with showbiz people. You crash and burn, I'm sorry. Yeah, but this is extremely important. So the word imminent is the problem here.

100%. It's the problem. Right. Because Americans, they want to support anti-terror measures. I think most clear-thinking people understand Iran is a terror nation. If it's not around, it's better for the world. I think they understand that. They don't understand is, did we have to do this now?

So there's two things I've learned. I'm 70. Vietnam has cast a great shadow over American foreign policy for a long time. Nobody wants to get in a Vietnam. Iraq and Afghanistan have cast a long shadow over Mid-Ease policy, and I can understand that. So everything we do, are we going down that road again? Right.

And the answer is no, but we're not going to sit on the sidelines and watch Iran get a nuclear weapon imminent. Let me tell you what the facts are, and you tell me if it was imminent. So Jared Kushner and Whitkoff are charged by the president to go to the Iranians and sit down and see if you can do a deal over their nuclear program. Now, they've said for generations here, all we want is peaceful nuclear power, countries enrich that have nuclear power.

Why should we be different? Why should we be second-class citizens? Why shouldn't we be allowed to enrich like you do for peaceful nuclear power? Well, the argument I would give back is that for about 20 years, you've been cheating. You have not tried to develop a peaceful nuclear power program. Your enrichment program is well beyond what you've been cheating. you need for peaceful purposes. How do we know the appreciating? Because they said so. That comes in a minute. It's been pretty clear. The IAEA, everybody has caught them, having enrichment capability

beyond what you need for commercial purposes. The most you need for commercial purposes is 20% uranium. There is no commercial need for 60%. What does it take to make a weapon 90? So 20 is the outside of commercial. 60 is threshold weapons. 90 is weapons. Now the IAE, not me, has accused them. This is the UN nuclear. Yeah, the UN dudes, not Lindsay Graham. Correct. Yeah. Have found them cheating on three different occasions where they had secret enrichment facilities designed to go well beyond 20. So they've been called three times. And here's the question. Do you believe that they had a nuclear weapon they would use it? What do you say?

They'd do it, but they'd hand it off to somebody. Okay, they would use it through a proxy. Yep. Why? Because they don't want to be obliterated. No, I would say, do you believe Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews? Yes. Well, most people didn't until it was too late.

So the first thing you got to do in my business, who are you dealing with? I'm sitting across from you. I know what I'm dealing with. Do you believe the guy on the other side actually wants peaceful nuclear power? Or does he actually want a bomb? And if he wants a one, I'm on record as saying the president did the right thing by launching this military action. And he did the right thing last June by taking out their big nuke facility. Why?

However, there is a legitimate debate going around, and you know it because of this guy who resigned. Yeah, Joe Kemp. We'll be glad to talk about that. Who said, it's not in me. Well, let's look at the facts. So let's get back to World War. Trump says, go talk to the Iranians. And here's what he offered them.

You can have a small enrichment program to save face. We don't want to humiliate you. But it can be designed to go beyond small, right? Right. And we will guarantee you spent fuel supply forever for free. And they turned it all down. Why? Well, because they don't want a nuclear power program.

They want a capability to make a weapon because they're religious Nazis. And if you don't believe, that you're wrong. And those in the 30s who thought Hitler just was trying to get more German territory, trying to write Versailles, right wrongs, you're wrong. I don't know why people want to kill all the Jews, but Hitler did. I don't know why he believed the Aryan race had to be the master race, but he did. I don't know why these nut jobs in Iran want to purify Islam, but they do. I don't know why they want to kill all the Jews, but they say they do. And I think they would kill us. So that's where I'm at. Eminent. So you don't know that they would have a new

nuclear weapon in three months. You say, whenever they got it, they would use it. They would use it. But I'll say two weeks. Now, what makes it imminent? So let me tell you why Joe Kent doesn't know what he's talking about. So during the conversation about, will you take this once in a lifetime deal to have all the peaceful nuclear power you want on very generous terms, they said no. And during the course of the conversation, they made a fatal mistake. They told Kushner and Whitkoff, oh, by the way, we have 460 kilograms. of uranium enriched to 60%. Now, why would they say that?

There is no commercial purpose for 60%. So why would they say it? I'll tell you in a minute. The difference between 60 and 90 is two weeks, not three months. You can blend 60 to 90 literally in two weeks. I think they were trying to blackmail and intimidate Trump. They thought it was Obama and Biden. We're going to give you a big secret here.

We're this close to a nuclear weapon. nuclear weapon, what are you going to do about it? Why would they do that when he took out their big nuke facility? I can't answer that question, but I'd tell you what they did. I think this is what they did. They told us that we're this close to a nuclear weapon. If you don't negotiate on our terms, we're going to break out. And they said something even more disturbing. We're not going to give you diplomatically what you can't take militarily. So they went back to Trump. And I'll tell you what Obama and Biden would have done. Please don't go there. No, we know. We'll get to them. Okay, but this is in the last Geneva meeting with Witkoff and Kushner.

This is... The Iranians, and they're on a record, so there's no two sides to the story. Right. Saying, look, we're not going to give up our... You can't take. Right. We're not going to give it up. They had to know, though, they being the mullah's in charge, that President Trump is not a weak man.

Well, they clearly didn't. I don't know about it. Well, I can tell you this. When they told us, we're at 60, we can go to 90. What Trump did was Midnight Hammer. He blew the crap out of their enrichment capabilities so they couldn't go to 90. That's imminent. So to Joe Ken and anybody else watching, when the Iranians told us out of their own mouth,

they had enough 60% uranium to make 10 bombs that they could get. Within two months. Within two weeks, not two months. Okay. So 160 kilograms at 90 is 10 nuclear bombs. that's imminent. To me it's imminent. Well, the head of counterterrorism says it wasn't imminent. He's got the same info. You have. No, he doesn't. He's lying. Why? Why would you lie? Well, why did he say the Jews drug us into it? Because he doesn't like Israel having influence.

Yeah, well, no, he's saying, you know, if the Jews weren't around, we'd all be safe. This letter of resignation was full of misinformation and anti-Semitism. So you think it's him not liking the state of Israel? No, I can't explain why people say things like that. You need to talk to him. But when it comes to the imminent part, he was dead wrong. The truth of the matter is they did have 460 kilograms. Okay.

At 60, they could go to 90 in literally two weeks, enough material to make 10 bombs. If that's not imminent, what would be? And number one, anybody out there prove I'm wrong. Prove that I'm wrong. Say what I, prove that what I just said is not true. Well, you have information that the folks don't have. But this guy, Kent, he was sidelined even before. Yes.

Because he opposed the operation. And it looks like, yeah, and it looks like a personal thing. Sour grapes. He was one of the three people, maybe four, opposed going in. J.D. Vance. I don't know what J.D. did. I like J.D., but I can say this. He's been consistent about Iran shouldn't have a nuclear weapon.

You know, everybody says... But he doesn't want to... Come on, you know that he was a dissenting voice. You know that. I don't know it. I wasn't there, but I can tell you this. His actions about the regime were different than mine. He didn't see it at the same threat level.

I do. But I think he's been loyal to the president. Don't doubt. He's been loyal. And he's a good man. But I will say this. The threat that Iran possesses is just not a nuclear capability. They've been funding terrorism at an industrial scale.

40 years. I wrote a book on it. Okay, you wrote a book? You need to buy it. There are 221 Marines killed in Beirut by Hezbollah. There is no Hezbollah with Iran. Hamas couldn't exist one day. There's no October 7th by Iran.

The Houthis all funded by Iran. The third thing they do is that they try to get a nuclear weapon. They fund terrorism. And they've just been basically the worst people on the planet trying to disrupt the region for religious purposes. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war, shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold.

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We want any of this. They don't want any intervention overseas. You know the wing. Yeah, it's called Chamberlain. The 1930s are being repeated. It's like World War II didn't exist. But why is that wing in the Republican Party? Why do they have currency?

Why does Rand Paul? They've always been there. They've always been a part of the fabric of the... You talk to Rand Paul? Not lately, but at least he's consistent. Would you say he's honest? Who, Rand Paul? I'd say he believes what he says.

He believes every word of what he says, and I think he's just wrong. Not he's a bad person. Okay, but he's not lying. No, God, no. He is the most truthful. There's two people on Capitol. They're the most truthful people I know, Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul.

They believe what they say. They believe. Well, I believe what I say. What about Vance, though, because this is important. So you got President Trump, who's on your wavelength, who sees what you have just described to us. And I can't challenge that. And you did explain the imminent thing pretty well. I have to give you some credit there, Senator.

These are the facts. All right. So now I know why it's, you know, two weeks is imminent. Yes. Now, you stand behind that 100%. 1,000%. Okay, there's no such thing as 1,000 people. You know that, but we get the point.

But Vance comes in, and he urges caution to President Trump because of the unintended consequences. Before this information. Before? Yeah. Now, so Trump... So you think Vance changed? I think this changed everything.

Now, Trump had already hit him before. It's not like it. And Vance didn't say anything. But that was one shot. But what I want you to get out of this interview, if anything, put yourself in the seat of the president. You say one thing when you campaign, then you get to be president, and they hand you a file.

What do you do? Can you imagine if President Trump did not act, they would have broken out? And if they had a nuclear deal. And you're a thousand percent, they would have broken out. Yeah. Okay. Because they told us they would.

Okay. But there are unintended consequences of this action in Iran. Yes, they are. Okay. So South Carolina is not a wealthy state. It's regular folks. Right. All right.

Okay. They're paying a buck more or down. The cost of the war is real. Right. Do they understand? You know what? I think I'm doing a pretty good job of telling him he had no choice. See, Israel has no choice.

When somebody says, I'd like to kill all the Jews, that brings up bad memories. And October 7th, they... Twelve hundred. Here's a test run. 20. Right. Here's what we're going to do. 1,200 Jews slaughtered in the most vicious way.

I got to buy these books. Buy the guys. I just gave it to you free. Okay, good. Put it on eBay. I will. I'm going to pay in ethics. All right.

We're in South Carolina. We got the folks. I'm talking to the people. They're war-weary. Gas prices are going up. If you're making, say, $15 an hour. Right. You and your wife, a couple, making $15, $20 an hour, and you got three kids.

every dollar that goes into the gas tank is a dollar away from other things. I'm the first person in my family to ever go to college. Neither one of my parents finished high school. When I was 21, my mom died. When I was 22, my dad died. We owned a liquor store, a bar, and a pool room, and we grew up in the back. We were a happy family, but by no means wealthy. I know what it's like to be needing all the money you can because the bills keep coming in no matter what.

So when my mom died, she was 17 years younger than my dad. I thought, well, that shouldn't happen, but it did. Okay, my dad's 60-something, and I've got a 13-year-old sister. 15 months later, he's dead, and I got a 13-year-old sister. My life turned upside down. So how do you pay the bills? How is she going to call it? What are you going to do?

I understand that. I understand that the world can change and it can be pulled out from you under a rug. Why am I asking people to be patient and to pay a price? now so they don't have to pay later because I believe it. It's not that I'm indifferent to what 20 cents a gallon means. Do you think you're going to be successful? Yes. You do. Okay, but part B the question is. If we're not, blame me because I deserve blame. If we're not successful, you can blame me because nobody has advocated to take on this Iranian regime more forcefully than me. Okay. You have a corporate media which is lined up against Trump.

Okay, and it's personal. They're more afraid of him being successful than the Ayatollah having a... That's right. I believe that. So you, Lindsay Graham, say, look, this is the reality of the situation. All Americans have to accept a little economic pain to the security that destroyed Iran will bring. But then they turn on 80% of the media is telling them, no, this is BS. It never should have happened.

And there's no hard, there's no end game, this and this. Every night they hear the same thing. Joe Kent. But 80% of Republicans are sticking with Trump, I think because they just trust him. Everything you're saying true. Every day gas prices go up. People are war-wary. They just remember the mid-east.

It's just a bad place to be. I've got my work cut out for me, and I am not giving an inch. I'm trying to stick with President Trump. And here's what I believe in about three or four weeks, no longer. have degraded the regime's capability to build missiles to hit us, to be the largest state sponsor of terrorism, and to go back in the nuclear weapons business for a very, very long time. What is the outcome I'm looking for? And this will surprise everybody.

It's not who takes over Iran next. I'm trying to defang Iran so there's no more October 7th to go back and finish what I've tried to start with Biden. Saudi Arabia recognizing Israel. is the biggest The Abraham Accords Plus Saudi Arabia

recognizing Israel is well beyond the Abraham Accords The center of Islam is Saudi Arabia The Holy Mosque and Mecca and Medina It is the center of Islam If the center of Islam would recognize the one and only

Jewish state Israel It would effectively end the Arab-Israeli conflict that's been raging for a thousand plus years During a Biden's administration, Joe Biden, I went to Saudi and Israel eight times with Tony Blinken, Brett McGurk, Jake Sullivan, to try to build on the Abraham Accords to get Saudi to come into the Abraham Accords and recognize Israel.

October 7th was designed by Iran to stop that. Stop it. Very good. Their worst nightmare is for the Arabs and the Jews to make peace, leaving them behind. Right. Now, Netanyahu, though, he's not easy to get. how to deal with. Tell me about it. So let's play it out. So I'll tell you what I'm up to. I'm trying to get Iran weakened so we can get back to the peace table and finish the biggest deal on the planet, Saudi Israel. Now, what does Saudi want, Bill, to recognize Israel? I've been

there more times than I count now. Three things. A defense agreement with the United States, like we have with Japan and Australia. Right. How many of you out there are ready to go war for Saudi Arabia to have a defense. No one? Well, it's a tough sell. Now, I'm going to try to say you why it's in your interest. If Trump says, I'm for it, most Republicans would be for the treaty. And Saudi Arabia's change. It's real. Now, how do you get Democrats to vote for a defense agreement to go to war with Saudi Arabia that benefits MBS, Trump and Bibi? There's only one way you do that. The second thing that MBS wants, Saudi, is a pathway to a Palestinian state irreversible with a capital in East Jerusalem. I don't know if that's possible.

after October the 7th, but he wants a dignified life and solution to the Palestinian problem. Well, the investment in Gaza would be a start to that. This is, I'm hopeful, but why does MBS insist on that? The Arab world is on fire. They may not watch your show, but Al Jazeera is morning. No, they know. They know, right? So for him to recognize Israel after October 7th, he literally could get killed. He's got to get something he can show his people, the Wahhabists. The Wahhabists are... He's got to... He's, those are the problem. But just the average person on, some very highly intelligent young woman is not really

sold on Israel after this war. I've been to Saudi enough to know that the elite there have turned. So what does he have to do? He's got to prove to the Arab world that for recognizing Israel, I got something. Everybody got something, right. The Palestinians. Everybody's been pleading for the Palestinian cause on the left. Well, you may have a chance to get it.

So what will I say? I will go to BVee and say, listen, if we pull the us off. You destroy Iran with our help. You wipe Hamas off the face of the earth. Hezbollah has no money because Iran has changed. Right. They're weakened. I would ask you to entertain helping MBS on the Palestinian solution, push your own base, find a solution so we can close this deal. That'd be hard for him, but it's going to be hard for MBS. Now, what role do I play? I'm going to support this treaty. I'm going to try to get Republicans to support it, but I'll go to Democrats and say, listen, I tried to help Biden. I'm asking no more of you

than I asking myself. I was willing to do this big deal on Biden's watch, and October the 7th stopped it. You don't know this, but I'm about to tell you, at the end of October of 2023, we're going to announce a framework. That's how close we were. October 7th came in a nick of time. They'll come a time where Iran is defanged, not completely solved. Well, you say it's going to be in about six weeks. Three to four weeks. Three to four weeks, okay. And what am I looking for?

When Saudi Arabia feels that Iran is weakened, that they can go back to the negotiating table, that's what this war is about for me. Let's pivot to Europe. So you would think after all of the terror incidents that Francis had? If you're watching this show, You've learned more than 99% of the people about what we're up to. I do. That's what we're up to.

Right. With the exception of Italy, all of the other big NATO countries are basically saying, look, you do it. It's not that they're opposed to downgrading Iran. They want us to do everything. Well, it's a little deeper now. It's not that, you know, be our guest. We hope you're successful.

Call us, let us know high. No, it's not our war. When you clean it. Well, Sturmur said today. Right. Once you get it under control, then we'll put some ships in. Yeah, well. Well, thanks.

Here. So it's a little, you're dead right. They don't want their fingerprints on it because a lot of them have very diverse populations that are not into anything called Israel. So they're cowards. I think they're just politicians running scared. That's cowards. I would think so.

So let me just say this. If you're helping Trump or BB in Europe, you're probably not going to get worse. But the folks don't know that. I mean, they're not doing that. Well, but I'm saying that animosity on the streets of Europe toward Israel and the United States are pretty high right now. So what happened that really is made things worse? Trump is asking for some help to keep the straits flowing. Right.

We get 1% of our oil from the strait to Hermose. Europe gets most of it. Right now, every European politician has not only said no, they publicly said no. France said today, we'll never get our involved in this Iranian war. This was not our war. An Aitolo with a nuclear weapon that would terrorize the region and the world and use it is your problem. Hitler became everybody's problem. So why did Macron say it?

Because it's popular and I don't know other than that, that he's mad that we didn't tell him. If we told the Europeans we're going to attack Iran, it would leak down in five seconds. They can be upset. I get that. But what they can't do is publicly undercut the president, because Iran's, Iran looks at this rift and they may try to hang on. And here's what side. Helping keep the straits open helps them, Europe more than it helps us. And here's how it's going to play out.

If they keep screwing around with Trump, watch out for Ukraine. Because he doesn't think that's our war. Now, I think it's important that we stop Putin. Well, Putin's a big winner in all of this. You know that. But I don't want to get to him until a minute. Okay. Europe. Yeah.

Europe's an unreliable ally. So you're going to, I'm going to morph you into Donald Trump. right now. Watch this. This is this. Ms. comes here and now it's not Senator Graham. I'll have President Trump. I'll have more hair. Here is the question. Was it smart to say you were going to invade Greenland that NATO and the EU are a bunch of wusses, okay? Was it smart to go over there and poke the European bear because they don't like you now?

I might been a bridge too far. You know, I'm a pretty forward-leaning guy, but Greenland? But, you know, Trump is Trump. And let me tell you the benefit of being Trump, people are afraid of him. Was anybody afraid of Obama and Biden? No. I was afraid of Obama. For a different reason. If you're a foreign power, you wouldn't.

You know, Trump could send a rowboat and everybody say, what can we do to help you? You know, Biden could send an aircraft carrier to everybody yawn. Part of being president is being people's heads. Trump's and everybody's head, including mine. I know, but it worked against them here. Sometimes it does. But the greater good is better. Venezuela, we're better off of that, Maduro.

100%. Okay. And they're still dancing for the baseball game. I mean, you know. You'll make some news? I would love Venezuela to be a state. No, you don't want Venezuela. Well, that's your opinion.

No. I would. So anyway, Trump said it today, sign with me. The point is Venezuela used to be the center of narco terrorism. It's no longer. Maduro's in jail. The Venezuelan people are free, and they're playing baseball. It worked.

But, you know, he got like five seconds of credit. If a Democrat had done that, they'd stop the entire world and celebrated. If a Democrat acted the way Trump did, they would told the story about the 460 killer grams morning, noon, and night. You can't find this story in the mainstream media because they don't want you to know it. So Venezuela was a ballsy thing to do, and it worked. Right. Okay.

If you got family in Cuba, they're going to be liberated soon. That's a great thing. And we're doing it without any troops on the ground. Right. had a snatch operation, but no occupation, no invasion. Donald Trump, in his own way, is one of the most brilliant people I've ever met in his own way. He can do things nobody else will do, and he's gotten these countries sort of in a spot. Well, Venezuela is liberated. Cuba's about to be liberated without an invasion. Now, Iran, can we collapse this regime enough

to lead to Saudi Israel? If we can, it would be the biggest change in 2000. Would you think we can? Yes, I'm highly confident we can, but we've got to stick with it. Back to Europe. I'm a NATO guy. Now, John McCain was one of my dearest friends. I believe in alliances, but I was stunned at how brazen they were sticking it to Trump on the hormones, not thinking it through on Ukraine. So my phone lit up all day to day from European leaders because of my tweet yesterday.

I said, you know, I've been pretty strong for alliances, but maybe I'm miscalculated. Maybe we don't have reliable friends. If you're not willing to help now, to help yourself, should we be spending all this money? And coming from me is different than coming from Trump. So I'm Trump. When I would tell my European allies, our European allies, that you're more unreliable than I thought. I'm having to do things without you because you won't help me. And you know what? I'm getting comfortable doing it.

So you leave them hanging on Ukraine, but that helps Putin, one of the big villains in the world. I think so. But the truth of the matter is, Ukraine war needs to end, honorably and justly. We don't need to reward Putin's invasion, but we've got to realize we're not going to get very rushing out. And I don't like Putin. You don't like Putin. I think he's killed a lot of people to stay in power. It doesn't matter what I think about Putin. How do you end this war? How do you prevent a third invasion? I believe with all my heart and soul that if we had real security guarantees from the west of Ukraine, he wouldn't invade it. The Budapest member...

No, he tested. He tested. He absolutely tested it. And we had no infrastructure to require people to come to aid. Absolutely. And he'll do it again. So the Budapest memorandum was an agreement to help Ukraine, but it wasn't binding. Obama, Biden, Clinton, nobody has ever given security guarantees to Ukraine like we have a NATO.

So here's why I'm asking President Trump to entertain. Let Putin know that if you do this again, you're going to be running into a bigger crowd, not just Ukraine, that the Europeans will have small ground troops as tripwires, and we will have a guarantee to Ukraine. If there's another invasion, we'll be a backstop. We'll provide air support and command and control to defend you if there's a third invasion.

I think that's enough to deter that invasion. I don't mind if he does business with Putin, because that's the security guarantee of its own. If you do business with somebody, he'd less likely go to war. The other thing I want to see happen is a 10-year commitment to the Ukrainian military from us that we will sell them our high-end weapons through Europe, and they will be strong, and that's another form of deterrent. Trump's been resistant to that.

He hadn't been resistant to selling weapons. He's been resistant to a long-term commitment. The big weapons, though. He doesn't want to sell it. Yeah, we've given them the F-16s. We're doing the circuit thing. We're selling them to Poland and then Poland selling them. Yeah, but they're getting there.

But I guess how do you end the war? The Donbos is going to have to, there's going to be a trade there. There's just no way to evict all the Russians. What does Zelensky need to sell his people on giving up territory? That I've got a deal we've never had as a country. We're going to be standing as an independent sovereign Ukraine. I want China to look at it and say, you know, maybe it wasn't worth it for Putin after all. Because I worry about Taiwan.

If you sell out Ukraine, there goes Taiwan. This is how the world is connected. So I'm going to, I've been very supportive. I got a bill with 85 co-sponsors that will allow Trump to put tariffs on any country that buys Russian oil that doesn't help Ukraine. That's what he did to India. India now is buying less Russian oil. Okay, so I got a bill to do that. But I am realistic.

I'm trying to find a solution to end this war so we won't have a third invasion. Well, Ukraine is going to have to give up some territory. But Putin's not going to do anything until the Iranian thing is cleared up. A hundred percent. Right. You're not going to do a thing. Why would he? Now, pivot to China. And let's say we get Iran bad, we'll never get a good deal in your own.

If we get it right, we'll get it. But it's worse for the Chinese. The Chinese will be more bellicose. I was in Beijing and May privately invited. I addressed the Politburo there. You didn't know that. I didn't know that. I haven't been invited.

Right. And one of the few, I... Well, good for you. Good. Only journalists in history that's... Good for you. I'm glad you went. The only journalist in history has received that imitation because they watch me on YouTube

where they're watching you right now. They watch everything we see. That's right. And the Taiwan thing can be worked out. It's a wording situation. But what China's doing is what Putin's doing. They're just watching to see. That's why Germany drives me crazy.

And Luxembourg drives me nuts. Because they're all watching to see the weakness. Where is the weakness, all right? And the weaknesses in Europe, that's where it is. Not Trump, you're right. They fear Trump, okay? But Trump was caught by surprise that NATO wouldn't help. Look, if Tony Blair was the PM, you would have had 18 ships in there.

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They buy Iranian oil at cheap discounts. They buy Venezuela at cheap discounts. Right. That's off the table in Venezuela. If we can get a new Iran working with us instead of against us, then that's a big blow to China. Well, President Trump is all going to make China an oil deal. Well, you know, you know, see.

See, the thing that people are lost right, I'm okay for you going to Beijing. Oh, yeah. I'm okay. You have to. I'm okay to do business with Russia, Putin's Russia, if it advances our interest. Yeah, but he's a psychopath now. Yeah, but. He's Hitler, light, Stalin.

Nobody is, nobody can accuse me of being light on Putin. But we did deal with Joe Stalin to beat the Germans. So the point is, how do you get Russia out of the invading business? security guarantees that make it not worth their time. I don't know. Ukrainian military. He likes it. Well, let me tell you.

He's got a million casualties. Well, let's just say this, my friend, that a third invasion would be a hard sell to the Russian people. He's one bullet away. Nobody loses his election in Russia, but every family's got somebody who's died. Eventually those numbers add up. And all I can say is that we've got a chance if we get Iran right to get a very to get a better deal in Russia.

If we get Iran right, we'll have more influence over China because they will respect us. Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, all are signals. Right. Now, the opposing party, the Democratic Party hasn't really come out against the Iran. No, they haven't. No, they're just kind of floating. But in my opinion, and you correct me if I'm wrong, because you have much more access than I did to the Biden administration. Joe Biden hurt this country enormously by sitting it out.

What he did was he just sat it out, and he allowed all the bad situations to get worse. Okay? So when he had the intel coming in every morning, number one, I don't even believe he read it. Okay? Maybe Jill did. I don't know. I don't think he did. All right.

And number two. If he read it, he sure didn't understand it. Right. All the countries in a world go. the United States is just going to sit there. And this was after Afghanistan, which was so embarrassed. This is what started it at all. That's right.

Now, there would be no invasion. There would be no October 7th. There would be no invasion of Russia by Ukraine again, I think, without Afghanistan. Because the weakness then was exposed. Now, you would think that the Democratic Party, whatever that is now, I don't even know who the leader, who's the leader of the Democratic Party? Who? You know, I don't know if it's news. AOC, I don't know who's going to be the nominee.

But here's what Newsom said, and I've known Gavin. He said that Israel was an apartheid state. That tells you how desperate you have to be and how anti-Israel you have to be to be the nominee for the Democratic Party. He accused Israel of being an apartheid nation like South Africa. Well, that whole platform is controlled by the radical left because of the money is.

Well, he had to say it. he thought. I don't know if he means it or not, but when he said it, it surprised me. I don't know. He's got trouble with San Francisco. He can't be doing Israel. He can't clean up San Francisco. Well, our party can't get that way, my party. We can't let it get to be so bad in a way that you have to embrace things that are just inherently wrong. There's an element of our party, that my party, that doesn't want any involvement, no matter how common sense. I mean, if Trump hadn't acted, they'd had 10 nuclear weapons, and that's just, to me, a fact. So these people who are ideological driven that they ignore facts or dangers, that's true whether

you're right or left. If you get so extreme in your thinking, facts can't change your mind. You're in the wrong business. But we have a country that lives now in an age of social media where people go in there and a lot of them believe what they are reading or hearing. I don't know if you could have done World War II in today's environment because by the time I get home, They're about the time I leave here, there'd be 20 stories on the internet. Lindsay Graham wants 80 second airborne to go in. Right, right. It's just constant.

And I just try to shut it out and focus on the facts as I know it and get an outcome I believe in. But social media, one thing I want to do politically beyond foreign policy is if your daughter is, you know, go to it into suicide or weight loss or your kids are being preyed on by sexual predators and websites, you can't bring a legal action. Section 230 under our law prevents you bringing a lawsuit against a website or social media company for the damage they may have done to your family. That was to make sure the Internet will get started. Well, this started. I want to eliminate Section 230 protections so that you can go after social media companies that are terrorizing your family. They're not going to do that.

No, we've got to fight. We'll come back and do the show about my build of sunset. In two years, I want Section 230 to be replaced by some. vehicle to give people a safe. I can't see one Democrats of boy, none. I've got Durbin. He's on board. He's going to be gone.

Well, but I've got other Democrats because they have grandchildren too. This is the one issue above all issues that sort of unite people. If you're a parent out there raising kids. Sure. Yeah. So I want to give you some hope. There's some issues that we can work out. But the bottom line here is this is the time of testing.

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They don't really understand that if you don't punish criminals, then the criminals will commit more crimes. These are just basic things that in our... country were givens for hundreds of years. And these people like Arcasio-Cortez, who went to Boston News, so did I, and her district is a butt-spine. She doesn't know anything. And this woman's going to be the next, she beat Schumer. She'll beat him.

Okay? Schumer's done. And when you listen to her, and she doesn't do interviews like this, she would never sit with me in a million years. No. Does she write books? She doesn't know anything. Well, let's...

Have you seen that across the board? Here's what I've seen. When I first started this business, you got rewarded for problem solving. And, you know, sort of knowing what you're talking about. All the energy now is to loud. Not knowledgeable, just loud. Right. Partisan.

Fetterman. He's doing what people used to do without even being noticed. You're only one. So I tried to help Biden deal with Saudi, you know, Israel. I was in the gang of eight for immigration. I've done some things that our base doesn't like because somebody's got to solve these problems. Federman is trying to solve problems. The question, will he make it or not?

If you're running in a primary right now, your goal is to get as many eyeballs as you can. And how do you get eyeballs in this world? Be provocative. Provocative is replaced intellect. provocative is replaced problem solving. And what I want to do is to say, no, you don't have to be provocative to win. You actually can go to the mid-east enough. My knock is, why are you over there?

We need you here. Why are you supporting them over there when we're paying more gas prices here? And I say, the reason I go over there is I don't want another 9-11. The last time we took our eye off the ball over there, they killed 3,000 Americans. then I end every conversation with this thought. Do you think if the ITOLA had a nuclear weapon, he'd use it? Most people say yes. Well, let's make sure he doesn't do it.

And how do you do that sitting over here? I make an argument for smart intervention. Well, you're a guy who you're a conservative Republican, but you're at least open to hearing the other point of view. And you have a frame of reference. Well, I have a frame of reference, which is history. And it goes back to what you just said. Why did people, it's almost as if World War II never had.

Sure. If you stop people out on the streets, they don't know. And you ask them, name the Axis Powers, have no idea what you're talking about. In a country who lets that happen, you'll wake up one day and wonder, what happened? Schooling. All I can say is the deterioration of curiosity, willingness to ask questions, and try to solve the ability to solve a problem is getting harder because the reward is less. Okay, we're going to break away from the senator for a moment.

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