Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - We'll Do It LIVE! —Stephen A. Smith

Episode Date: October 15, 2026

Stephen A. Smith joins Bill O'Reilly to discuss politics, race, and sports. The duo tackle tough questions and Smith talks about his foray into politics and his long sports commentary career. You won't want to miss this candid conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That's where you lose people, and they're not hearing you. Hey, Bill O'Reilly here. Welcome to another edition of We'll Do It Live. And this really becomes, you know, something. that I wasn't expecting. And when my younger staff came to me and said, oh, got to do YouTube. And I'm a lud-eyed.

I don't know anything about this stuff. I said, is this extra work for me? And they go, yeah, but, you know, it'll be worth it. Well, it's exploded all over the world. So we got some kind of notification. We're in the top YouTube podcast. We're not really a podcast. This is a broadcast, but I don't care.

We're in a top echelon of that, and we appreciate you making it so. So today I have Stephen A. Smith in the on-deck circle about to walk to the plate to take some high, hard ones. I figured Stephen A. we make you at home doing some sports analogy, you know. There you go. You know, I don't want you to be nervous. You are probably the most famous sportscaster in America. What's the one thing you attribute that to? Fearlessness, a commitment to being fair.

A lot of times, particularly in this day and age, there's pressure to engage in groupthink, to do what the vast majority of people want you to do. because it's comfortable and whatever. Well, I didn't get in this business to be comfortable. I got in this business to do what I can to inch closer and closer to the truth in every subject that I tackle. Sometimes you succeed more than others. There's no doubt about that, but it's incredibly important to be fair-minded.

Growing up in the streets in New York City being raised by West Indian parents, particularly my mother, who is the greatest human being I ever known, God rest of soul, she passed away in 2017. my mother was really, really, really big on fairness. She didn't care what your ethnicity was. She didn't care what your agenda was. She didn't care about anything but being respectful and being an honest pursuit of getting to the truth as close to the truth as you possibly could. And if somebody was right, say so. And if somebody was wrong, say so.

You could do it respectfully. You can still support people you disagreed with, et cetera. But don't be unfair. And that was a very, very big deal to me. That's why when I've met people like yourself and others, regardless of what opinions people had, even when I disagree with you, I still don't have any problem with Bill O'Reilly.

My issue is looking at you and saying, do you mean what you'd say? And every time I look at you and others, I always saw that you did, and I was good with it. And that's what really, really matters to me. Well, we've got to know each other over the past couple of years. You know where I am. I know who you are.

But as a young, and I just, just want to reiterate. So you believe that the secret to your success is authenticity and a pursuit of factual of factual knowledge. So you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you know,

we've had a lot of trouble, we, the country, with news organizations now. And there's going to be more of this. the commentators like you and me are told what to do by management they're actually told what to say what to do, who to interview, who don't interview,

who to stay away from and they just go cash their paycheck, they have no problem with that. I would assume you would have a problem with that. I would have a major problem with that and I haven't had that experience where people have come to me and have told me what to say or who to interview or whatever because that kind of stuff does not fly with me.

I'm not that guy. I haven't had that experience. I haven't had that experience. Believe it or not, a lot of people think that because my day job is at ESPN and I work for Walt Disney that I've encountered that. I'm here to tell you, I have never encountered that on a personal level. It has never happened. Well, one of the reasons is you're so successful, but I have another personal question for you. Sure.

So you're a young man of color in Queens, New York, okay? Yeah. And you're not affluent. Your mother is of support of the family, pretty much. Many young males in that category rebel. They don't do what mom tells them to do. There's no way mom can discipline them. They walk out the door when they want, they come back when they want, they do what they want.

How did you avoid that? I give all the credit in the world to my mom because even though my mother worked two jobs, 16 hours a day, seven days a week for 25 years with about one week's vacation a year, that her, along with my older sisters, I have four older sisters, Lender Arland, Abigail, and Carmen, helped raise me as well. And they were on top of me night and day about making sure that I did the right thing. So that went a long way. But if you didn't do the right thing, what would happen to you?

Oh, they would, you know, they would punish me. You know, my mother would be all over me, and my mother would remind me of how shameful it was to her that I did such a thing. And because of that, this sensational appetite I had to please her to not to avoid disappointing her obviously went a long way. But in fairness, too, I also had people in the streets, even drug dealers spilled that would look and no matter what they engaged in, they wouldn't let me do it because they felt that I had a future. and they wouldn't allow me to position myself to make the kind of decisions that they ended up making and they were stuck in that ultimately derailed their futures. So it's unusual. It's very unusual, but it definitely happened.

It definitely happened because when you're growing up poor, there's always that temptation. You see cats on the street corner, you're pulling in thousands of dollars a day or a week, and you're thinking, hey, maybe this is the route that I want to go. But then suddenly you go home and you have the kind of family structure that I had and placed that support system combined with people from the streets who said, listen, we made this choice. We felt we had to, but we'd be damned if we're going to let you do the same thing.

So the combination of those two things put me in an unfamiliar or an unconventional position of recognizing, hey, I didn't have to go that route. And then there's another thing that I think is important to bring up. You know, my mother was a mixed race. Her mother, my grandmother was white. My grandfather was black. and my grandmother who was a white woman taught me more about racism and who to identify as racist than my mother did. My mother never talked about it. My father never talked about it. It was my

grandmother who did that. And so as a result, growing up with that connection to that kind of diverse environment, I was able to look at things from the fairness element. Everything wasn't about black and white. Some things were about more than that. And I was a little bit. And I I was able to decipher the difference between that and other things because of not just my parents, but my grandmother as well. That went a long way and that enabled me not to look at everybody and paint it with a broad brush. Well, I told you before the interview started off camera that you need to read my book in Fronting America because it's very what my analysis of the country is plays right into how you were raised. It's an individual,

decision whether you succeed or fail in the long run, not in a short run. I mean, the kid in the ghetto doesn't have the same playing field that the kid out in a wealthy suburbs have. Correct. They don't. All right. And anybody who thinks they do is ridiculous. But the kid in the ghetto, there are pathways for him or her to make a good.

life in this country, which is why we got tens of millions of people trying to get in here. Now, you chose to go into sports. You were sports writer, Philadelphia, down south, and then you made the transition to sports broadcasting. Guy as smart as you, and I hate to say, my knees quivering, a guy as smart as you might have just skipped the sports and got into politics or, uh, you. social work or whatever it may be. Why did you take the sports route? Well, I didn't feel that I was that smart.

That was number one, if I'm being completely honest with you. I got left back and held back for the entire fourth grade because I had read and comprehension issues that ultimately revealed itself to be a form of dyslexia. Then it wasn't, you know, it was undiagnosed at that particular moment of time later on in life. You realized that. But the other side to it is that that was where my passion lied.

And as I wrote in my book, because you know what, you're the bestselling author multiple times off. I've written one book in my life and it was my, you know, autobiography, you know, straight shooter, a memoir of Second Chances at First Takes. That was a New York Times bestseller. And in that book, I revealed that there was a parent-teacher's night when I was a seventh grader and a professor's name was Mr. Caravan. And he told my mother at that time, Bill, he said, your son religiously questions his own

intellect because he hasn't let go of the fact that he got left back in the fourth grade. He said, what I've noticed is that your son is not dumb at all. Your son is quite smart. The problem with your son is that he drifts. He thinks he doesn't comprehend when in fact he's not even listening. Your son has this ability to tune out a room full of noise whenever he wants to because he gets repeatedly very, very bored. He said, but when he's passionate about something, he's on top of it and is.

very few that's better. So he looked at my mother and he said to her, you find what your son is passionate about and get him to do that and you will have a superstar on your hands. And I knew instantly and I and I knew instantly that sports was where my passion lied, whether it was watching baseball with my dad, whether it was watching basketball on my own, whether it was playing touch football or basketball in the streets. I knew that I loved sports. And when I started engaging in sports, reading the newspaper suddenly I didn't have a comprehension issue. I understood everything about everything sports related that I was reading. So much so that even when my dad had once doubted my intellect,

all of a sudden he's like, this boy is smarter than I thought he was. And from that point, my confidence blew. And as my confidence belued, I just ingratiated myself in that stuff even more because I knew it was what interests me. And I never felt like I was punching a clock when it came to doing anything work related to sport. I felt it was a career instead of a job, not doing what I had to do to elevate or sustain my quality of life, but doing what I wanted to do and it just so happened.

And that's the key. Sports did death. You got to tap in. Sports did that for me. And you were a basketball player in college. You got hurt. Yes. So then you pivoted his life hard into a successful sports career.

Now, you're kind of a controversial guy, not to me, because I pretty much know why you're doing what you're you're doing. But you've got to be that to engage the sports audience in America. You can't just sit here. You know what drives me crazy are these football pregame shows? Why? Why? Why are we listening?

Well, you listen to it because you have people connected to the sport. You have others who are watching the sport and want to learn about the sport before they're actually watching the games because they feel more edified once they're watching these pregame shows. and they know what to look for as the games are taking place. Oh, that's not true. That's not true at all. I've told you this,

you and I have argued about this on many, many occasions. You understand, this is my lane, not politics, this is my lane. And I'm telling you, there's a lot that you learn for watching these pregame shows because you get insight from people who actually participated in this. But they don't give you. I know for a fact.

And I bet you do too. But I'm not sure of that. that the NFL poobies, I love that word, have basically told all of the people that comment on the football, pro football.

Not to bad mouth the players. Don't do it. No, no, no. You have it. This is what you're missing it. You are right about individual teams who have a broadcast. You don't do that.

Like, for example, if you are covering the New York Knicks and you are employed by Madison Square Garden, you're going to have to answer to James Dolan if you're excessively critical of the team. There is no denying that. Well, it's in what I'm talking about. Here's a good example.

Tom Brady. So Tom Brady, best quarterback of all time, in my opinion. Our fantasy commission says for him it's all about the friendships. Cute, Kevin. But I disagree. Like with bat three six five, I get paid the second my team goes up big with early payout

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color for the NFL games, right? And more power to Brady. Brady, I like him. He gives a lot of money to charity. I think he's a good guy. I don't know him that well, but I like him. Now, Tom Brady could tell you, all right, a hundred percent more than he's telling you.

Okay. He knows who's jaking it out there. Who can't cover whom? Okay. Who screw it up? And he never says it. Last week, Tom Brady was on the air talking about how lost somebody was in coverage. He said, you're trying to help the other team win?

He was very, very critical of them. And Bill O'Reilly, respectfully, you don't have a right to say that. Because we know, you know, a gazillion times more than you say. Now, that doesn't mean that you're not saying what needs to be said. No, but nobody's telling me. Hold on. I understand that. But what I'm saying to you is I've been around you long enough where I have seen you.

It is edified as you are, as connected as you are, refrained from saying all that you know. You've been in this business longer than us. Let me read us. You know that comes with the territory. Stop that. No, no. No territory for me. I don't have any boundaries.

I have an open border. Okay. But that doesn't mean you always open it. I open it when I know for sure. Sure. But not all, not with everything. Not with everything.

That's not true, Bill. No, no, no. There's nothing I hide. I mean nothing from my audience. Nothing.

If I know something's true, I report it. I don't hold back because I know. That's not what I mean. That's not what I mean. Hold on, let me be clear to your audience. I am in no way in applying.

that you are purposefully keeping things from your audience. What I am saying is, is that there are an abundance of facts that you may have at your disposal. And you decide what's pertinent and most important for your audience to know because they don't get to know every single thing that you know. You make those decisions every day. Yeah, because if I didn't make that decision, I'd be on the air as much as you are.

I mean, I just don't have the time and I'm old. Okay? Look, the litmus test for this is Howard Kossette. All right? That's the litmus test. Howard had no filter. He wanted attention. He's a lot like Trump, Howard.

He'd say anything. And half of the stuff he said was BS. Okay, buddy, way so it goes out. All right. He was so rogue that when you look at what is there now, you don't know that the game is tilted on

a field goal kicker who gets the yips okay they don't do that and that I don't say the yips they don't say the yips but they will say this guy's missed nine of his last 20 field goals

so I'm just saying it's that's why they won't tell you why is the guy again it's a It's contingent on what you know. Like, for example, are you going to get personal and say, look, this guy's drinking at the bar the night before a game? Yeah, so I report. Again, if you see them, sure.

But if you don't know for sure, especially in this day, in this litigious age that we're living in, people are ready to sue you for anything because they'd rather sue and make money that way. They're going out there and working for a living. That's no doubt about it. In some situation.

Unless I know. You've got to protect yourself. Absolutely. If I know what happened, I'm not going to report it. I'm not going to speculate. I don't use other sources because the other sources are corrupted. Now it's segue into politics. Sure.

I guess about three or four years ago, you broadened your brand. You said, look, I'm going to go on News Nation or the other invitations I get, Hannity, whatever may be. And I'm going to mix it up, all right, because I'm an independent thinker. I'm going to bring the same sensibility that I use at sports. to the political arena. And there's no one else who has done that. Not one sportscaster has done that.

No one. Why did you decide to do it? I had a passion to do a bill because I grew up in the television age and I've seen to point lean to your point. I saw too many people giving us lip service and not calling it like we see it. Not sitting there and saying, based on the information we have, not only is this the information that I'm capturing from it.

This is what I deduce from it. And this is how I feel. As a black man in America, I think that, you know, obviously since 1964, the Democratic Party has had a chunk of the black vote. Whether that's right or wrong is depending on one's politics. And I understand that. But for me personally, I just think that it's important to keep an open mind because I've always been of the mindset. that we've given a party a license to take us for granted. The other party, a license to ignore us because they weren't going to get a vote anyway.

And as a result, we've ended up being the ones that are disenfranchised. And I don't think any other community in America can say that. I've always been appalled by that. And so if I had an opportunity, I positioned myself to have an opportunity to address that, that's what I wanted to do. Now, as I've ingratiated myself with it more, I'm not as interested in politics as I once was certainly not being a politician, but I absolutely love talking about the issues and hearing from both sides and having them debate and discuss openly about where they're coming from and why to assist in enlightening my community and various communities throughout

this country about what the real issues are so they can go to the polls and make a cogent decision about who should be in power and who shouldn't, as opposed to just one party engaging in demagoguery about another. And oh my goodness, they're awful, they're racist, they're this, they're that. And that's why you shouldn't vote for them as opposed to you telling me why I should vote for you. And that's one of the things that's one of the things I wanted to contribute to assistant for the betterment of our society and my community is all. Well, why do you think you're the only one who do it? I think that a lot of people look at it and they say it's not worth it.

It's not worth it. You're helping your country, right? Well, because they're looking at it and they're saying the country can't be helped because politicians are both. size of the aisle are sleazy. They can't be trusted and it's not going to change. No, no, I'm saying. That's what they're saying. And I think, I just don't have that fear. I just don't have that fear. I don't mind. I know. That's why I like you. I don't have it either. So we have that in common. Do you think that a white guy like me raised in a white neighborhood, the Levitts, town was built by the Levits who redlined all black families, wouldn't sell blacks.

all ethnic whites are in the neighborhood. Do you think that I'm capable of analyzing the black community? I think to some degree you are based on numbers and the facts that are out there. I think your perspective would religiously be challenged. Because to speak to Bill O'Reilly, you're very dogged in your beliefs in your approach. And you're very hard to move off of your positions because the facts are what you lean. on as opposed to perspectives. I give you a perfect example about your president.

Right now, somebody would look at the economy and they're looking at issues like affordability and what have you. And they would sit up there and they would say things are not as bad as people who had pretended them to be. Whereas others would sit up there and they would say President Trump is talking to people like CNBC and CEOs as opposed to folks at the kitchen table because he's not really paying enough attention to people who are really feeling. what's going on right now that aren't paying attention to the fact that things aren't nearly as

as bad as it was protected to be. They're looking at the price of gas, the price of groceries, the price of rent, et cetera, the price of health care. And they've got major, major concerns. And they're looking at it from that. To me, that's where you would have a problem with Bill O'Reilly. But that encompasses all colors, though. Yeah, but I agree. I'm getting to that. I'm getting to that point. I'm saying you're looking, you would look at the big picture. And there's a lot of people from the African American community,

from disenfranchised communities, that would say, nah, it ain't that simple. You're not living in this. Because you can't relate to what we're going through when we tell you our perspective. The numbers from a factual perspective

are not enough. There are other things that need to get taken into consideration that you can't possibly relate to. That's what they would say to somebody like yourself. All right, but they don't know Trump. I'm not going to get into.

No, I'm not even talking about Trump. I was just using an example to talk about somebody like you or others. They would accuse you of not being able to relate to their plight. Because like you said, if you're from a neighborhood, you know what? They didn't sell homes to blacks. You haven't had to worry about living, coming from a poor, impoverished background, the scratching and clawing the uphill to gain some kind of advantage, understanding that from a systemic perspective, you know what,

when white folks catch a cold, black folks catch pneumonia, It's usually always worse for us. That kind of stuff. They would accuse you of not being able to relate to that plight. So your perspective would never mirror ours. That's what they would say. Yeah, it's a crutch. I don't think it's a crutch.

It might be false. It might be false, but I don't think it's a crutch. It's a crutch. They don't want to acknowledge, okay, that there are people who aren't like them who sympathize with them. And I'll give you a example. Oh, okay. I see what you say.

Okay, go ahead. Perfect example. So one of the highlights of confronting America when it has to change is my belief that the black community main problem, okay, is youth dereliction. What does that mean? It means the parents don't pay attention to these kids. The father is split. They're being raised like you were in all feminine household. they don't have a lot of guidance.

That's my belief system from years and years of reporting and that these kids develop an attitude, they're covered with tattoos, they don't learn to speak English properly, and then they go out and they can't compete in the corporate world. So I designed, along with President Obama, a program to help these kids. these kids who are being deprived of responsible parents.

And it got real high. I'm not going to give you the program. I want you to read a book. Our Fantasy Commission says for him it's all about the friendships. Cute, Kevin. But I disagree. Like with about 365. I get paid the second my team goes up big with early payout

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exit. Let's stop looking away and get in the way of rising poverty. Your donations help the United Way fight poverty in thousands of ways, like providing food, shelter, and crisis prevention. Donate today at United WayGT.org. It got real hot, okay, and I had a lot of interaction with President Obama, who I never had a problem with as far as what he wanted to do. I knew he wasn't going to be able to get there, okay, because he just didn't have the chops and the experience to negotiate the Washington, D.C. experience. He didn't have it. Anyway, I got, and the program is called Brothers Keeper, okay? And I developed this program that would have raised more than a billion dollars for one pay-per-view concert starring the Two Living Beatles, Bano,

Billy Joel, those guys I know pretty well. And a billion dollars, that would then be used for publicity, marketing, recruitment of mentors. Don't have to be black. Just human beings, men who are successful, passing along what made them successful, all right, and helping those kids who are rudderless. it never happened. And the reason it happened is stunning. The reason I couldn't close it is stunning.

All right. Now, I've been attacked and Tavis Smiley was one of the guys who did it. You know Tavis, right? Yes, I do. I like it. But he's really entrenched in that. If you're not black, you can't analyze. it. Okay? So Smiley, I go on his ring at show, and he attacks me by saying, oh, no, this isn't the

main problem. It is the main problem. Okay. And any, well, anybody teaching in those neighborhoods, and I did. Right. I did. I knows it's a main problem. But I couldn't get it done. Me, I can get everything. Well, let me, allow me to return. Because I'll listen to you and I hear what you're saying. let me say this and I need you to listen to me because it's very important what I'm about to say. If it wasn't you and I haven't gotten to know you over the years, I would have been insulted by what you just articulated. Because when you speak to African Americans and you talk about youngsters from the community who don't necessarily speak well, et cetera, et cetera, here's what I would say to you. there's plenty who do.

What kind of opportunities were they given? And it almost seems, if not literally seems, like there are an abundance of white folks in America who are anxious to help, no doubt, anxious to contribute to making the world a better place. But they want to be the ones who are the leaders of the PAC. And they want to be the ones in position to get credit for being conscientious.

They're being in their pursuit of doing good. Okay. All right. Let me finish. Let me finish. But I want to get to you because of what you just said. The issue in question is that on far too many occasions, when you point out those things that plague the black community, whether right or wrong in terms of focus, the reality is that there are an abundance of black folks

in the United States of America that, look at the system itself and people who happen to be white emanating from the system, acting like the system played almost no role in the plight that exists within the community. And that's where you lose people and they're not hearing you. Because when you're talking about the problem, but when you're not talking about where it originated from, it becomes problematic. That's like me pointing to somebody and saying, you know what, they're violent.

They punch me in the face. But I ignore the fact that I might have robbed their house. Okay, and now they caught up with me. Right. And they might have wanted to punch me in the face. Wait a minute, what came first? You got to pay attention to stuff like that. You can't ignore that, which is how you're coming across, Bill.

It doesn't matter. Well, and I'm going to agree with you that my focus isn't on the deprivation of African Americans since the Mayflower. Okay. I'm because my goal is to make things better. Now. Not true. Not true. That's not wrong. October's here and before the holiday rush begins, now is the time to pay attention to your health. Nearly half of American adults have high blood pressure. It can feel completely fine while your numbers say different. Most people do not even know their current blood pressure. So don't wait for a new year's resolution in January to find

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when you were in public school in Queens. Okay. It happens now. I taught their victims. They can make it. No matter what they do, it's rigged against them. But that's not what I'm saying.

That's not what I'm challenging. But listen to what I'm, challenge you on. I'm saying there is a difference between being listened to and being heard. If you want to be heard, if you want somebody to truly embrace where you can, they got to know where you're coming from. Like I had an example. I remember I told years and years ago, I had a cousin, okay? He's still alive. He's good people, the whole bit. But we used to have a problem. Everybody in the family used to have a problem reaching him because he seems so damn hard-headed. he wouldn't listen to anybody but me.

Why would he listen to me, Bill? Because the first order of business that I realized from him was the importance of at least comprehending where he came from and articulating that position. Okay, is this what you're saying? Is you sure? This is where you're coming from. I got it.

Now let me respond, as opposed to respond it like you just said, I don't care about all of that. I'm trying to resolve the issue. I'm trying to solve the problem. How can you have a chance of resolving the problem with people that you fail to embrace where they're coming from? If they don't think you're embracing where they're coming from, they're not going to want to hear you. That's the point. But it wasn't, I didn't bring it to the people.

I brought it to the president of the United States. Because I admired the Brothers Keeper program because I was a big brother. I did it. I had three. Makes sense. Okay? So, wait, wait. So I'm a technician and I bring in this unbelievable program, brothers keeper where if you went out now and ask people which brother's keeper, they wouldn't even know, okay?

If this thing had gotten up, which it should have, all right, then the problem itself would have been. mitigated despite community resistance, all right? Because it would have been there, and there are enough American men of all colors who see it the way I see it. We live in the world. We want to improve things for people who are disadvantaged, who don't have what we had. And I didn't have some Little Bo Peep upbringing. I mean, my upbringing was tough Irish, okay? I wasn't, I wasn't, but, but, but your tough upbringing, which was tough Irish, was also accentuated by your dominance on a network that was Fox News for what was it, 19 years,

if I remember correctly, it was 18, 20 years, right? And so Bill O'Reilly, no spend zone, Mr. Independent, okay, tell it like it is, etc, etc. you had ingratiated yourself essentially with the right, okay? And you're talking to a community. Wasn't done on purpose. I didn't say it was. I didn't say it was. I'm only talking about the reality of what happened.

You, there's nobody in my opinion that the Republican Party should think for awareness, for relevance, for the ability to diversify its own constituents more so than you. because when you brought light to so much that was going on within a Republican Party, it's to be respected, but it was in the aftermath of the Democratic Party securing the black voters of voting block. And convincing a bunch of people that the other side was anti, et cetera, et cetera. So you were going up against that and you can't ignore that. So I appreciate your upbringing.

I appreciate where you're coming from. But we saw you on TV, 8 p.m. Easter time every single night, as the number one cable show for 20 years. All of these people came after you. All of them. Tucker Carlson, Hannity and everybody else, they all came after you. You were the number one guy. You were the dominant figure.

You were the one that everybody knew they had to come through in order for relevancy in a political stratosphere for over nearly two decades. And so when that happens and you have that kind of attachment to you... Our Fantasy Commission says for him it's all about the friendships. Cute, Kevin, but I disagree. Like with Bet365. I get paid the second my team goes up big with early payout

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But I can't be preoccupied with what they call the universality of how we got where we are. We're here. Let's solve it. And the program that President Obama embraced, and I'm giving him full credit for that. The Brothers Keeper mentoring program would have worked, and it would have mitigated unbelievable amounts of suffering. Who stopped it?

You got to read the book. And it's a big name. I will. The name is bigger than Stephen A. Smith. That's who stopped it. But Obama could have overridden it and didn't. Okay, and I never got to read. Is why he did not do it in your book?

Is that in your book? It is a little bit, but I didn't speculate because I can't read his mind. Got it. All I know is that he had assigned people to this, and when I was up at the White House, sitting next to Colin Powell, when he gave the speech, the initial speech, about Brothers Keeper, with the kids from Chicago standing behind him, when the speech was over, he came to me first

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Most... Number one sports board is show for 15 straight years and counting. And you only got five more. But it's dopey. But it's dopey. There you go. Well, okay.

I mean, LeBron James wants to get you in a headlock. But all that's good. You know, all that's good. I have no objection to any of it. I'd be as outrageous as you can be, but always back it up. This is why I think the way I think. Okay. And you continue to do that.

But you're a hybrid now. And then you scutel on over to Cuomo. Okay, and you're on with him, and you're talking about whatever it may be. And again, you're bringing a sensibility that most television news doesn't have. None of the networks have anybody like you or me. They don't have anybody. Okay. All right, I can name names if you want me to.

Well, I would tell you. The whole roster is here's bland and here's blander. The bland and blander show. I don't, I get on handy about this all the time. Tom, I don't talk about the competition. I don't talk about other networks. They do what they do. I do what I do.

Unless they're corrupt. You got to talk about them. It's they're corrupt. Well, again, what I'm doing is, is my work will show that they're wrong and I'm right. That's how I approach it. But the other thing that I like to bring into focus is I don't even consider myself a hybrid. I think that I'm a sports guy to the core.

I love sports. I ain't never trying to leave sports. I just love it. And the more I've done politics, the more I've loved sports. But the thing that people keep underestimating, look at the money involved in sports. Look at the politics involved in sports. You're talking about the NBA signing a $77 billion deal.

Do you realize that the NFL is on the verge of signing close to a half trillion dollar collective bargaining? I mean, I'm sorry, half a trillion dollar television deal where you consider their connection to all the networks, all these cable outlets, Amazon, Netflix, and beyond. I mean, this is the kind of money that we're talking about here. With that comes politics. With that comes Wall Street. With that comes dollars. With that comes obviously fandom in the world of sports.

So to me, the more I educate about myself about the world of politics, the more armed I am to talk about sports. That's an excellent point. And that's how I think about it. I've always said that sportscasters at a certain level, all right? Yeah. When they see something that's wrong, Colin Kaepernick. There's a great example, okay?

But the reason that, and this you might find amusing, and you feel free to use any of this discussion on your podcast, by the way, you can. Happy to do it. Whatever. Thanks so much. Okay. I will. The reason that there are trillions of dollars pouring into the American and UK sports franchises is because they have replaced news and information. because nobody trusts the news industry anymore.

And so while the graph goes like this for all of them, there isn't one growth. Now, one show that is really growing. News Nation probably the best, but they got to market better if they want to go with the big boys. Okay. But the graph on people spending time watching 60 minutes or whatever it may be is crashing. What's replaced it is the betting. And the betting is what's fueling all of the trillion. So you can bet on what color shoes the wide receiver has on.

All of that. So the NFL and all the other leagues, the hierarchy said, in order for us to get into the Elon Musk range where they are, okay, we have to have another gimmick. Where's Jamie Fox? Come on, Jamie. We're betting. Betting, betting, betting, betting, betting.

Short-term, colossal fiscal gain. Long-term, guard the country. Well, it could hurt the country, but understood this came about because of the Supreme Court ruling. You got to remember, former governor of New Jersey, Chris Christie, was adamant that this would come into play, and he was pushing for it to be legalized. And he had staunch resistance. I'm here to tell you. Former commissioner of NBA. David Stern was not a supporter.

Roger Goodell, current commissioner of the National Football League, Rob Manfred, current commissioner of Major League Baseball, none of them were proponents of this. They all resisted. They thought it was punished. I thought he had lost his damn mind, and they didn't want it to be associated with it because they thought it would compromise the integrity of

their sport. But ultimately, the Supreme Court ruled to legalize it in various states, it was picked up, and it generated billions of dollars in revenue. And so because of that, everybody was going to flock to it because they recognized the money that was there. And so remember, it's not just about the players.

We've had owners. We've had coaches. We've had various people involved. And you've got to police your sport in a very diligent way to make sure that it doesn't compromise the integrity. It's impossible now. You'll see that in the Portland Trailblazers trial. They'll all plead guilty. Okay.

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