Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - We’ll Do It LIVE! — Victoria Jackson

Episode Date: May 28, 2026

Saturday Night Live alumni Victoria Jackson joins Bill O’Reilly on the latest episode of We’ll Do It LIVE! She talks about her career, her conservatism, her cancer battle, and her faith.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm not dead yet. I could hold a handstand for a minute. A poet who does handstands. There's worse things than cancer and death. Marriage. He's not laughing at my jokes. You're very serious, Bill. Hey, Bill O'Reilly here, and welcome to another long-form podcast.

We'll do it live. And we have a very special guest here for you tonight. Victoria Jackson was one of the mainstays of Saturday Night Live when it was, you know, in its heyday. A lot of big stars came out of there. And she's flown up from Tennessee to talk with us. It's good to see you. Let's get the serious stuff out of the way first. So how's your health?

Dead yet. That's the title of your new book. And it's a very interesting book, Not Dead Yet, A Lifetime of Handstands, Art, and Poetry. And Ms. Jackson is doing a handstand pretty much everywhere. I thought Joe Biden's shoulders was a bit much, but... Yeah, that was a difficult one. Since he could hardly stand up.

But the book is just out, so you might want to check it out. So how are you feeling? Bill, I'm so honored to be here. and I told my friend I was coming and she said, he's a very smart man. And I was like, smart, yeah. So then I was looking up recent things you've done and I got to tell you, I love how you explained what communism and capitalism is to Howie Mandel's daughter. Yeah. I was like, you're such a good teacher and nobody's being taught, you know.

The kids are not. And on that subject, and we'll get back to your health in a minute, a teacher, you don't know this. But when you were living in Carroll City, Florida. I do know this. That's one of the things I wanted to do. I was just down the street at Pace High School. I know. Here's all my notes to tell Bill.

Right. I was a day Christian. You were at Pace. Right. We played each other in football. In every sport. And I didn't know you were up there in Carroll City. But you had just a normal upbringing, just a regular.

Yes and no. I mean, my dad was a gymnastics coach, which is unusual, and he was doing handstands all the time, and we had a gym in our backyard. Our backyard was a ghetto. It was Carroll City and I was a ghetto. Carol City was a tough neighborhood. So was Opelaca, where we were. Yes, that's where I was born. So my childhood, yeah, I was in church three times a week and in the gym every day. And that's not so normal. I don't think so. Not anymore. No. No. We didn't have a TV.

No TV. My dad loved show business and he thought he would be addicted. He would be addicted to it and we would be and he wanted us to be in the backyard doing sit-ups and flips and handstands. And you did. You were a nice daughter. So I didn't get brainwashed like my generation. Now, going. back, though, you have been diagnosed with breast cancer, stage four. Yes. You wouldn't know it just

by looking at you. Can I tell you some jokes about it? In a minute, though, because I think people who know you, and that's a lot of people, want to know where you are on the health scale. Okay. Okay. Well, I could talk for an hour. A friend of mine just told me every detail of his bloody, thing and I was like, I'm never going to talk about my health again, but I will. Okay, so I got cancer diagnosed in 2015 breast cancer. I let a stranger with an accent from chili and a good bedside manner cut my boobs off. I don't know who she is. I signed a paper. It was in the hospital. It's kind of a joke, but it's true. She cut my boobs off and I got ready to do. I was in chemotherapy. He's not laughing at my jokes. And then 10 years went by and I forgot about it.

And then it came back. Two years ago, I was doing stand-up in Vegas in a small venue because I'm not Dana Carvey, you know, in the stand-up thing. But people laugh, but I was doing stand-up in Vegas and I couldn't stop coughing. And the audience was kind of like, like they thought I had COVID and I was going to give it to them. And I went to the doctor, finally, urgent care. And they found my breast cancer had come back and was pushing on my windpipe. So I couldn't breathe and I was coughing all the time. It is a horrible thing to not be able to breathe. And I have so much compassion for all suffering people.

I've always been healthy. Took it for granted, of course. But there's a lot of people I'm seeing in hospitals now. And suffering is hard. but thanks to my faith in Jesus Christ the son of God yay Jesus this life is a vapor and it's going to be over like that and I'll be have eternal life with him in a place where there's no pain and no tears because he died on the cross for my sins can I give you a little example of what I learned of Florida Bible College at Hollywood Florida okay Dr. A Ray Stanford who actually ran away with one of the students but you know we're all

sinners. He used to do it like this. Romans 323, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. God is perfect and holy. And here we are. He created us perfect. And then we sin and our sin separates us from him. So he came, died on the cross for our sins, which is what your book is about. Factual historical angle of it. He died for our sins, paid for them. So we can be reunited with him. He redeemed us. He paid for our sins. Romans 623, for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord so we can be reunited with him. So that is why I'm not sad. So that sustains you through this whole process. In my whole life, I've read it, memorized it, sang about it. You've been consistent your whole

life. Yeah, it's like, do I really believe it? So now I'm putting it into action and I do have peace and yeah. So anyway, physically they got radiated my tumor right here so I can breathe. I'm so happy. And I got cancer, bone cancer as a side effect of radiation or something. So I have cancer on five of my vertebrae and my pelvic bone. so I have like this achy pain they're not sure here

they're not sure if it's from gymnastics or cancer related but I have great pain pills pain pills are great okay it's personally when you need them like you do yeah but whatever happens and I don't want to put words in your mouth yeah you're okay with it because of your deep faith

oh my faith in Jesus not just my faith in nothing. No, no, no. Jesus. Who you wrote about. And you are a great journalist. And you know what? You are neutral.

I kept thinking you were a conservative like me, but you try to be like the way a journalist should be and be neutral. Well, I'm fact finder. Yeah. This is all facts, and it's all, it's just facts. And the reason why I just stumbled on it, my mom gave us to my husband, 2014 she wrote in it and I was like hey Paul I'm going to see bill o'reilly so I started reading it because I hadn't read it yet I'm this far and it's super good then I skip to the end well look if we can do anything for you you know um Mel Gibson just finished shooting it wrapping his movie on the resurrection

after the passion and uh we're talking to Mel I know him a little bit um so I'm a big believer in if you believe something, you being anybody, okay, and it helps other people, then you go. Doesn't mean it's right, though. But the help. It doesn't mean it's truth. If you believe in something really hard. Sure, people believe what they want to believe in a lot of is fiction.

And it might be stupid. Okay. But if they believe what's fiction and at the same time they're helping other people, I'm okay with it. It's good to help people. Yeah. You know, both of our books are about Jesus and they're from different angles. Yours is from a journalist, fact-finding, accurate, truth-seeking journalist, and mine's from a truth-seeking, accurate gymnast, ex-gymist.

They're both about Jesus. Well, what I found interesting about your book, not only the proximity that I was teaching high school to where you were living, much earlier, you're younger than I am, but how normal it appears that you were. And then you burst into the Johnny Carson show. That's an amazing story. Yeah. So Carson and icon, of course, and you got on his show a number of times by doing handstands, correct? Well, I went to Hollywood to try to be an airhead on a sitcom because I thought that's the only way I could make a lot of money in this lifetime.

Well, in heaven you don't need to make money. But, no, I just, I can never be a doctor. I hate math. I hate something. I don't hate science. I hate math. So I thought I don't want to be poor because I grew up in a ghetto. My parents used to argue over whether we could afford the vacuum cleaner or an air conditioner.

And I thought I never want to be like that. When I grow up, I want both. And not have to worry. So I thought, hey, if I could be an airhead on a sitcom. And I've been performing, you know, an equipment on a four-inch board doing a backhand. Panspring, so I was used to being in front of people not talking. But anyway, my first play was up Furman in South Carolina. I got the bug.

I met Johnny Crawford from the Rifleman. He was the lead flown in to be the star of the play in Birmingham. And he sent me one-way ticket to Hollywood, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And when I was in Hollywood, I thought, how can I get an agent? How can I get a show? I don't know how. and Johnny didn't have connections anymore and so I thought

stand-up comedy was the new thing in 1980 and there was very few women doing it and I thought if I could do something at the comedy store and opened my... Did you have confidence that you could make people laugh? Yes, because in high school I copied Lily Tomlin's ETHED routine. You're a mimic.

My name was ETHIEDAIDA 5.5 years old. I never asked to be bored if I'd did, Baba would have said no. You know, that routine? So I got laughs with that. I can do this. So I went to the comedy store on Open Mic Night, and I did eat a thing because I got three minutes,

one in the morning. And I was a secretary during the day at the American Cancer Society, and I served food to old people at the retirement hotel for a room and board. After I did my eat the than thing, Mitzie, who boss of the comedy store, said, do someone else's material, especially if they're alive. And I was like, oh. I don't know the rules.

I didn't know anything. Right. So I thought I got to come up with some of my own jokes. And so then I thought, well, I could hold a handstand for a minute. No one else can do that. That'll keep their attention. And then I'll say a poem because I was writing poems all the time. So this has all my poems from when I was 10.

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I don't think Shakespeare was in that crew. Well, yeah, he couldn't do a handstand probably. And then when I was just... on the Tonight Show, the talent scout, Jim McCauley, told me if you put a poem to music, even if you only know three chords, you know, like the Rolling Stones, I can't get no satisfaction. I can't get no satisfaction. You know, that would have gone nowhere as a poem. You'll make a lot more money. If you put your poems to music. If you put your poems to music. And I was like, well, I have a ukulele. I know three chords. I'll put all my poems to music. So then I got to sing ukulele songs.

on Carson and Saturday Night Life. But anyway, the way I got on Carson was I was doing this ukulele, handstand poetry thing every night for two years at the Variety Arts Center and the Comedy Store and the Improenter all around town in L.A. I was 21. And the Johnny Carson guy, Jim McCauley, saw me and let me go on Johnny. Very nice. Was Carson nice to you? He was super nice to me.

He got me. You know, Letterman never got me. Right. You were on Letterman 30 times, I heard. And he didn't like me. Dave doesn't, you know, he's a little prickly. Yeah. A lot of people just think I talk in a fake voice.

They don't know my depth. But no, Johnny got me. Johnny got me, had me back on 20 times. That's probably where Lauren Myr said, saw me and offered me an audition for us. Did you have to audition for Saturday Night Live? Did you have to read? Who'd you read with?

Well, it was 86 and I had just been in a movie with Robert Downey Jr. My first real movie called The Pickup Artist. I was in three scenes. I don't know if that had anything to do with it, but Robert Downey Jr. got fired that summer. that summer of 86. From SNL.

Yeah. And I was kissing him somewhere in New York in this movie. And, oh, my book's on audio tape, too. People can hear a lot of showbiz gossipy stories

in the audio version because I added them in. So what happened was I had a baby, a three-month-old baby, and I was married to a fire eater, musician,

and he was out of work most of the time. There's not much call for fire eating. You had to make the money. Yes. And so I got a call on my Kermit the frog phone one day and they said, would you like to audition for Saturday Night Live tomorrow?

And I was like, sure. And they said, a ticket will be waiting for you at LAX. Be there at 8 a.m. Yeah, fly to New York. Flew to New York. I don't know how they got my number. They didn't go through my agent. It was like magic.

It was like Mission Impossible. The tape will just be destroyed, you know, go and smoke. So I flew to New York. They said, bring your characters and your impressions. And I didn't have any because I never watched SNL and I didn't have a TV. And I, so I brought my six minutes of stand-up from Johnny. And I brought my ukulele and my handstand. And they put me in a hotel with 12 other girls from all around.

the country, and they marched us past the Atlas statue to 30 Rock, and they put us in the Phil Donahue studio, and one by one we went in there and did our little six minutes. And Laura Michaels was there with his posse. It was just Lorne, a video camera, and a beautiful 20-year-old operating the video camera, and a bowl of popcorn. Now, he liked you right away. You're very serious, Bill. Not really, but I'm...

Lauren liked me, yes. Lauren liked me. You know, I was on Saturday Night Live. I saw you at the 43 Union. And I was on there making fun of the what-up guy. Yeah. But I noticed while I was there. because I help write that skit.

Very intense. That's not a carnival in there. It's a war. Yeah. So you guys got to compete for airtime and you've got to prove yourself almost every week, right? How did that weigh on you? Were you able to accept it?

I think I drank too much Chardonnay, and I heard alcohol leads to breast cancer. So maybe that's why. So your religion came into a good, affect there as well. In what way? You were guided through it. Well, when I was there, no one was doing drugs that I saw because Belushi had just died

and Lauren was friends with him. And so drugs weren't cool anymore. Right. In 86. And I had a baby at home, so I didn't go out. I just went to work, went home, didn't want to miss her first step or her first word or anything. It was very competitive, very strong.

stressful. But I would just pray and say, Lord, help me. One time I went to Lauren's office, I said, Lauren, we have to wait an hour to see Lauren because he's very important. So you wait outside of his office. I've heard that. I've got along with him, but I understand. Well, I love him, but you do have to wait. Do you have a good relationship to this day with him? He doesn't call me to chat. No, he's a busy guy. Yeah. I think all of the cast members love him, like a daddy, and we are like desperate for him to say we did good, and he doles out compliments very sparsely. So we're always like, please like. No, he's in charge, that's for sure. You know Machiavelli, the book The Prince by Machiavelli?

Yes, I do. You know how it's about should you rule by fear or by love? I think he rules by fear. Very possible. He liked my audition. very quick interview the next day and he said I'm I'm not he said very funny audition I'm not sure you're strong in characters or impressions and I and he started walking me to his door to leave I said I'm married I have a fire eater husband I have a baby and then I go

well I can talk like this and he's like and I said I could be a capture like this you know and he's like and he goes what if I wanted you to be like a Midwest housewife and I go, well, I would, I am a housewife and my parents are from the Midwest. And he goes, and then he goes, or Diane Keaton, I go, well, I would just wear men's clothes and look at the ground a lot. And then he's like, okay, thank you. So I'm flying back to L.A. And I'm like, I'm so close, but I don't think I'm going to get it. Then I realized I was going to be on Johnny Carson in two weeks. And I thought, why don't I extend my audition on Johnny Carson? That's got to impress him.

So I said to Jim McCauley. That was smart. Yeah, I go, Jim, could I do some impressions and see if Johnny can guess who I'm doing to extent? He goes, yeah, okay, but just don't say what the show is that you're auditioning for. We don't want to get sued. So I said, okay. So I went on Johnny in a pink dress, smaller than this one. I think I'm like a tree trunk and the ring.

You know, every year I get a ring. Have people said that before a year? No, I've never heard that, though. Yeah, I've never heard anyone say it, but it's true. Like when you cut open a tree and there's rings, you know. I have 66 rings. If you gain one pound a year, so I go on Johnny Carson and I go, Johnny, see if you can guess who I'm doing.

I'm auditioning for this show. And I go, um, oh, watchy. I'm sorry Boy the way Glenn Miller played songs and made the hate parade And he goes, Edith Bunker And I go, yeah And then I go

I don't know why I'm here, just go to a commercial I don't have anything to say And he goes Terry Gar And I go yeah And then I go What's love got to do? Got to do with it? And he goes, Tina Turner

I go yeah And so I go John, why would you like to work for my company? And he goes, I don't know, Betty Davis. And I go, no. And he goes, who is it? And I go, I made her up. Because you're supposed to make up characters to me.

And everybody laughed so hard. And I knew that moment that I got it. And then I... So Michael saw the audition on Carson. He saw the bit. Well, I said to my manager, Loris Robinson at the time. I said, what if he doesn't see this?

And then she put the VHS in his mailbox. All the pros and cons. That a good thing for you Saturday Night Live? Was a good thing. Are you kidding? It was fantastic. Because a lot of the players, they come off there a little embittered. Well, it probably gave me cancer, but, you know.

No, I think my marriage gave me cancer, actually. There's worse things than... cancer and death, marriage. Marriage. It's fire involved. Oh, it's so hard. Well, I'm on the second husband now. There's not fire involved.

He's a policeman. Well, that's better. Yeah, I do support cops. I love cops. Now, you had Miller, Dennis Miller on with you when you were on there. Yep, I was with him, and I worked with Norman. Miller, nice to you? Miller is not soft and cuddly.

But on the air, we had good chemistry. Right. Weekend update. Yeah. Right. It was such a great experience. It changed my life. Everybody remembers me from it.

I walked down the street. People are so nice to me. I'm so grateful. And it was hard to be a Christian there. I was the only Christian from the cast. Yeah. So, you know, I didn't talk about it or anything. People asked me like...

Well, the church, lady was Christian, right? Dana Carby. Dana, I don't think he's in his personal life. I don't think he's... No, just the character. He might be leaning that way. Yeah, he's endured. You see, a guy named Phil Hartman, who you work with, who self-destructed. No, his wife, his wife shot him. I know, shot him.

And I was in that house, like, a little while before that, visiting them. That was weird. Yeah. Was he a good guy, Hartman? Phil, to me, was very kept to me. He kept to himself. I didn't know who the real Phil was. Like, Jan Hooks and Phil Hartman were so brilliant at being everyone. But who were they? Like, my personality is so strong. It's very hard for me to be other people. But they are like a blank slate and they can do it. Well, they have huge talent. I'm not saying it right.

They, they personally, I don't know who they were exactly, but they're geniuses at playing character. They're very good performance. They're fantastic. I was surprised when Hartman went down like that. And then, of course, the most notorious of all is Chris Farley. I worked with him. He was so shy and sweet.

He was very shy around girls when I was a girl. I was there when like the Adam Sandler, David Spade, Chris Farley were, I was the old timer when they were the new timers. And it's sad that the cast has to keep changing. But Lauren stays there and then he just keeps getting young people. We all get old. And then he gets more young people and then, you know, because after the sixth year, I couldn't think of any more ideas. I, you know, could hardly. That's about the average.

So, right, five, six years? My contract was five, and I stayed six. And people, I read an article that said I got fired because I was proselytizing my religion. That's ridiculous. That's a lie. Lauren said I could stay as long as I want. I didn't proselytize anyone. He said, stay as long as you want.

But I was going through a divorce from the fire eater, and I had a four-year-old, and I didn't want her to be. home alone with a strange nanny. Do you still live on the West Coast at this point? I, when, when, when I left SNL? Yeah. When I left SNL, I had a house in Connecticut, a house in L.A., and I had a show being written for me where George Clooney played my boyfriend. George Clooney.

Uh-huh, whatever happened to him. Yeah, he loves me. Did that, do you ever get a pilot out of that or a George show up? We read the pilot. They were saving money so they never made it. We read it out loud to NBC, ABC, and CBS, and everyone passed on it. It was called Victoria, and I was playing a Las Vegas show girl who's naive from the Midwest. Anyway, it never happened, so I've been in a lot of pilots that never happened. Yeah, a lot of things that...

The guy who wrote... That's the business, though. Yeah. You got to be able to take rejection, like... Right. The guy who wrote, I Love Lucy, Schiller, and Weiskoff, those two guys, they were assigned to write me, my own pilot when I was, right after Carson was like 24, and it was called Twinkie. And I was playing the vice president's wife who causes trouble in Washington, D.C., and that never happened.

You remind me a little bit of Goldie Hawn during the laughing days. Yes, I can see that. She, one day, 20 years after I left S&L, it's been 40 now, I've been not on S&L for 40 years. That's so weird. One, we didn't have a TV, but my grandmother did. And I saw laughing at her house when my parents went to the movies that were our movies without us. And one day, 20 years after I'd left S&L, I realized, my brain took poems by Henry Gibson

Airheadism by Goldie Hawn the ukulele from Tiny Tim this is how powerful TV is and now kids are watching bang, shoot them up, kill people videos it's very powerful for the human brain it sticks in there my dad said visual things will stick in your head forever Now, so far you're...

I copied them all. So anyway, I copied them. I didn't even know I was copying them. That was my act. My stand-up act was copying laughing. And you did it sublimally. I didn't even know it was copying laughing. Right.

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So far, your Christianity hasn't interfered with your career, that you had a nice career in an ascension and became famous, and, you know, all the things that accompany that. did it ever Christianity, your Christianity start to interfere with your career? Great question. When I was new on the cast,

the only way you could tell I was a Christian is I didn't say God's name in vain. If it was in a script, I would just say gosh or golly or something. And I felt guilty about that because my dad taught me that those are euphemisms for God and Jesus. She and Gali. But I would just say that, yeah.

So they might have noticed, hey, she changed the word. One time I gave the cast the Bible on cassette for a Christmas present because I thought, God has me here for a reason. And they need to know about Jesus. Yeah, they need the Bible. They need a Bible. And we're all getting new cars and have a lot of money. Maybe they can slip the cassette.

That was a new thing in the 80s, put a cassette in the car. And they could hear the whole Bible, I can't tell them. I went to Bible college. I know the Bible so well. I study it every day still, my whole life. How was that gift received when you gave it to them? One cast member returned it within a note that said, I already have one.

But nobody else said anything. And then years later, I said to Kevin Nealon, hey, Kevin, did I really give you guys the Bible on cassette? Or is that like a dream I had? And he said, you did. You did that. and I still have them on my shelf. I think I've listened to number three and number five, something like that. But I'm glad to hear that it didn't, because there are performers who...

Oh, yes, you can be blacklisted for your beliefs, but let me get to that. Christianity didn't make anyone mad. What made me blacklisted was, well, I started being on Bill Maher's show, politically incorrect. I was on 12 times and that was fine. He loved me on there because I was the opposite of him. And so it was good sparring. And I brought a Bible with me one time and read Ephesians 2,8, 9 out loud. And the audience clapped.

They didn't boo. It was crazy. But anyway, what happened was when I joined the tea party in 2010 and I went on your show. When I went on your show. Like people can deal with Christians. but they can't deal with conservatism. That's where I started getting hate. Obama was running for president.

He came out of nowhere, and I'd never been political. What happened was I was in L.A. And I was trying to get my career back. My kids were almost all the way grown. And I said to my husband, I want to go back to L.A. and try to get my career again. and I know they hate old women, but, you know, I'll give it a shot. Well, I'd go to L.A., and I said, where am I going to help me going to network?

I don't know anyone anymore. My gay friend, Dan, he goes, why don't you go to that underground group of conservatives? You can network there. There's like Gary Senise and John Voight and. Yeah, Lincoln, somebody. It was called Friends of Abe. Friends of Abe. Right, right.

And I said, well, I'm not political. This was 2008. I'm not political. I didn't even know how to vote until I was, till Clinton said, it depends what the meaning of the word is, is. When Clinton said that, I went, okay. That's who's running the country.

I have got to get involved. Because my husband used to watch you all day on Fox. He'd stand in front of the TV. He was a polysci major, and he is passionate about politics. And I'm like, Paul, where do I vote? And where do I find out, what they stand for. Where is it in the newspaper? So in my 40s, I start, my dad told me,

just vote for anyone with an R next to their name. And he was right. Even though I learned what a rhino is, he's right. So anyway, I go to this underground group to network for my career. And I started learning. And I found out that someone was running against Hillary. No one ever heard of and who was his dad and who raised him. Oh, his white grandparents in Hawaii, who are members of the Communist Party USA, raised him. Oh, Frank Marshall Davis was his mentor. Oh, he's a communist.

Oh, he said to Joe the Plummer on the campaign trail, spread the wealth. That's a direct quote from the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx. I learned that in eighth grade at Day Christian. So we had to read the book 1984 by George Orwell. That's my first sentence in here. It's a George Orwell quote. So you got more and more involved with... No, the more I found out, I was like, I got a fire.

I'm like, America doesn't know. Someone else to tell him the media's life. Now, did that hurt you once you went over to the right? That's when I had blacklisted. My agent dumped me. My stand-up agent, I've been doing it 15 years after SNL, just for money for the family. because my first marriage, I lost all my money.

My agent said, we can't, she was at APA. She's very powerful now. She said, I can't represent you. All the club owners are liberals, and you're too outspoken as a conservative. I was on your show. Yeah, I remember. And I said to you, Obama's a communist, and you went like this. Oh, come on, you don't really.

You did that. But he isn't a communist. He's got four houses. maybe espouses. Well, communists are all wealthy. They just don't, they want everyone else to pay the tax, not them. Becoming more aware of how quickly life can change, really put things into perspective for me.

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He is very conservative. Yes. But his career now is prospering. You know, he's hooked up with the Sandler crew. Well, I'm not best for. friends with Adam Sandler and also Rob Schneider sold out Zanis Nashville for two weeks and he is a great stand-up. I'm okay but I'm no Rob Schneider at stand-up. So he deserves to be doing well, but he has been affected badly for standing up for conservative values. And there's a couple that are and some are doing

well and but the you know what the main thing that got me blacklisted i wrote an article um when i was trying to warn america about this creeping communism which now we have to worry about Islam and communism those are the two threats to america those are the ones that you feel are threats oh yeah i have proof so i was writing articles for bright bart um i knew that him. You know, he was a great guy. And I was just doing, I think it was called Make Me a Liberal, the name of my column. It was like, I just want truth and facts. I just want truth and facts. I just wrote an article and I said something about the TV show Glee should not have a homosexual theme where two teenage boys are kissing because children are wrong. Children are

watching. They're brainwashing this generation. They brainwashed this generation in 10 years, and there's a book about it called After the Ball, and two PR guys determined to change America's opinion of homosexuality, and they did it in 12 years by TV and everything. Anyway, you cannot say gay is a sin, or you're blacklisted. So that was like, that was it. My agent in Atlanta said, everyone in show business is gay.

I cannot get you any auditions. And then my other agent dumped me. And I was like, well, you know, I get it. I have gay friends. I love everyone. But I'm just trying to stand up for the word of God because no one else is. Why doesn't somebody just say the truth? But you recovered a little bit from that, right?

All sins are equal. We're all sinners. The homosexuality in Romans chapter one is in the same verse with gossip. They're equally sinful to God. Right, but I mean your career. My career, well, what happens is some Christian people like to hire me because they agree with me. Right. Some Christians think I'm wild because I was on SNL or my butt showing on every page of my book.

But you're doing a handstand. I can't help my child. I mean, how can you? Yeah. And I've gotten work, but I, you know, I was, I've gotten work in Christian movies, small independent, but I don't really want to work that much. I'm a grandmother of five. Right.

And you got to take care of your health. We want you around, Victoria. I can hardly, I can hardly walk anymore. It's a miracle that, you know, I'm just acting like a healthy person. But after this, I'm going to lay in my hotel. But as I said, when I saw it. you, I would not have known that you were in, you know, that kind of a medical situation. So whatever you're doing is working. It's reading the Bible and listening to worship music. That's the secret.

Do you have any fear of death? I'm kind of scared. It's a horrible thing. God did not want it to happen. You know, the Garden of Eden, he said, don't eat at that tree or you'll be die. And they said, oh, and the devil said, you won't surely die. Anyway, I don't like death. It's a horrible thing. So I prayed and I asked God, could it please die with no fear, no pain, and no sadness?

I mean, it's the best day of your life if you're going to meet the Lord face to face. Sure. And live in eternity with him, worshiping him, serving him. He invented music. He invented everything. That's a good prayer, though.

Yeah, so that's what I pray. Whenever I get scared, I go, Lord, you know, he knows me. And my kids are doing great. They're happy. They're happily married. They love Jesus. They have healthy children.

Like, it's... You've done your job. Yes. Amen. Okay, we're going to take a quick break now. And we're going to come back with our special for premium and concierge members. And we appreciate, of course, Victoria Jackson. and come on in and spending some time with us.

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