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I'm almost Larry Kingin in here thinking about my name. My next question. Wasn't it like growing up with a Jewish father, a mother's half Filipino. Yeah. Right. I mean, you're a United Nations down there in the suburb of San Francisco. Well, it was really great because we lived in a place that money didn't really matter. Everybody was definitely the suburbs.

This is, we were the end of the baby boom. And it was a really great time in America. So, you know, where, and we were actually, you know, we had Filipinos, there were Jews, and the Filipinos are, they assimilate, and that's why the Filipinos are so successful. Most people don't know this, but the highest earners in America, Filipino Americans, they average 93,000 per cap. And so that's, and you don't hear about it because they don't want you to know. Rob, don't tell anybody, please, let the black and white people kill each other.

We're going to be okay in the suburbs. So, but they really do well because they, assimilate. And when you get somebody from over the Philippines, they'll marry into the culture, they'll meet people, they'll become part of the culture, and they'll definitely know and learn the language. So that was what I really grew up with. And I also grew up with somebody who appreciated America, like you wouldn't believe. I remember my mom, anyone who said anything against America, she had two words for them. Get out! You don't like America. It's the greatest country in history. We have freedom and opportunity. You have no idea what it's like, get out.

Yeah, because she was in the Marcos era. over in the Philippines. You're more to Japanese, then you go into the Marcos people. It's rough. Well, you have people that are, I don't know if people understand how incredibly rare it is

to not have a case system, a case system where you're born into a particular strata in the society, and you're not able to get out. The English have the best phrase that I know. The man does not know his place. So you're place. So you're there and you're going to stay there.

And I remember my mom, I'm telling me, she said, even the maids in the Philippines have maids. Poverty just, it's an ever descending level of poverty there with no bottom. And in America, very uniquely, you can have a comedian like me who's Filipino, was Jewish, and can work his way up and get to a place from your talent and from being successful. This society allows that opportunity. But it also allows that opportunity for people like from Somalia to come over here, to maybe the most naive state, Minnesota, and completely take advantage of these people. And that is a potential problem of our society that I think is new and we have to wake up to.

Interesting. Like the Jews side of the family had really good jokes. It was really cool because Uncle Norm, Norm Applebaum, who changed his name to Appel, you know, hiding, I guess, a little bit. But my dad never liked that. but that he changed his name. But he never told him to his face. So, you know, be proud that you're Jewish.

So they would go around and everyone would have to tell a joke. Stand up and tell a joke. And you knew that going in. So you also, you wanted to tell a joke. You'd have to have a joke and also get a laugh. And so that was big. And my dad was a big laughing person, had comedy albums. And Jewish humor was really Yiddish humor specifically was really important.

And it's a tough crowd. You better have a good joke. You better have a good joke. And then the Filipino. on that side, no jokes, just good food. That's right. Nice people. Robert, they never talk about themselves of Filipinos. Robert, tell me about how is your day, Robert.

What are you up to? So they were very sweet. So it was nice to have both. When I saw you into Madison Square Garden, a show with Sandler, you did a riff where you used an Asian voice. Yeah. Hysterical.

Thank you. And I'm going, he's going to get nailed for this. the political correct cadre are going to come after it. The crowd didn't. The crowd was into it. It was a different crowd, a younger crowd. But you were violating every tenet of political correctness by using this voice. Well, the idea of it is to push the audience so that you can challenge them.

Those are always the best comedians. George Carlin would come out and really attack the audience in a sense. but to do it from a place of calm and also from a place of logic and a place to show the absurdity. You know, like, you think you have rights. You don't have rights. You think you have rights. And I really enjoyed that.

But the key to remember is always to get laughs. But if I'm not challenging the audience or pushing moors and challenging them, then I'm not doing my job. But the thing is, you could offend them. I swear, when I did some, I mean, probably the most offensive thing that Adam Sandler had me do. Forced you to do it. He forced me to do it. I didn't want to do it. I swear.

No, it was in Chuck and Larry, where I played an Asian minister. And it really was. The makeup was out of breakfast at Tiffany's. I mean, if I, I wouldn't do it again today, honestly. But the guy who did the makeup was a Japanese guy named Kazo. And Kazu was a great artist, and he worked with this guy named Rick Baker, who's the guy who's the most incredible Academy Board winning artist for makeup. He's the guy who did, you know, the American Werewolf in London. So this is a Rick Baker is a genius.

So this guy who was his best worker he ever had. This guy's an artist. So Kazu, the Japanese guy, he made the makeup. And I said, well, if he likes it, it should be fine. But I almost got censored by the Asian American community. But luckily because I'm Asian enough. You got in. You're in the club a little bit.

But the idea is to make fun of everybody. But my point, my larger point is that it's harder to do. day to do the edgy stuff because you got all these people offended every two seconds about everything. I think so. But I think there's a very interesting thing that this comedian Judd-Apital uses and other left-wing or liberals called punching down, which I really, I find I'm offended by that because the preposition of is that somehow there are people beneath you. Is it what? There are people beneath you? There's nobody beneath you. They may have less money than you. They may not live next to the beach like you do, but they're not beneath you. So the idea

somehow that these people need to be defended because they're so feeble and they're so weak that you as the higher up in society need to defend these people. I'm offended. That I find offensive. It's called patronizing them. Yeah. But even Saturday Night Live, you remember in the beginning, Dan Aykroyd, Jane Curtin. Jane, you ignorant, Slot. Written by Jim Downey. I don't say that now. Written by Jim Downey.

Well, the thing about that was, I don't think people, people weren't looking to be offended then. I think they were looking for laughs. And also, it's late at night, it's 11.30, and maybe it's midnight by the time that got on. And you were just looking for something that was funny. And being offensive was, I mean, that's not the goal. The goal was to be funny.

But how you'd be funny by potentially offending somebody. And I would just look at things like, you know, you know, you know, you'd just look at things like you have to attempt to. I mean, just having this conversation, we are, as Jordan Peterson would say, if you're trying to have a point or be confident about a point, you're risking offense. But to not do that, I think, is to take our culture and diminish it. Right, but it is diminished because the money boys don't want that anymore. They don't. Like, for instance, I probably, my latest comedy special probably would not get on Netflix now, the stuff that I'm doing and that's okay because the whole landscape is shifting dramatically whereas

you know I haven't been on late night TV because if you're a conservative it's like they are you know they say we need equity and equality and diversity but they don't want diversity of thought that's right they want diversity of look it is a shame because it's diminishing because you know you need to have your certainties questioned your foundational thinking needs to be challenged so make it better and to be open. And the fact that they don't have me on the late night TV is sad for them. But it also, it affects their ratings because I can do a tweet now. And I can have millions of people see that or put out something on X or put it on Instagram and millions of people see that. And maybe 150,000 people watch the late night. Well, I get the same thing. I used to be

on, well, I was on Letterman a dozen times and Kimmel and everything. And now, Trump changed it all. Yeah. So if you give Trump a fair shake, get off the kiss his butt. If you even give him a fair shave, you don't loathe him. They don't want you. And they shut you down. They shut you out. And we did a documentation.

The other thing that was curious about growing up with you and you were an adult when this happened, you converted to Catholicism. Yes. From nothing? Were you unitarian or what were you? Well, you know, as Bill Maher's joke applies to me, my father, was Jewish, my mother was Catholics. When I went to confession, I bring my attorney. Father, this is Mr. Cohen. He'll be answering all the questions. I found it curious because I was

interested in, well, Judaism, of course, because I grew up with my father. And I think that's the basis of all Western civilization. And then Christianity, which is an, you know, sprung from Judaism and a very, very observant Jew, Jesus Christ. So, and I was also interested in the reformation of Buddhism, which was China. That's why China is, and I hope they can come out of this, the communist hellhole that they're in now. And as a matter of fact, my friend Jan Yakel has a book about kill to order, about the Uyghurs and the Falun Gong that are being taken. And, you know, their body parts, murdered on demand, killed on demand. Sure.

So, so for me, I really had an awakening, really during COVID, when I saw. society giving into a tyranny that very quickly, and you see a rise in evil, and it's something you can't ignore. And there's not, you'll never see dark without light. You can't have day without night. You don't have front without back. And that's very much Alan Watts' philosophy of his Eastern mysticism. Okay, so this is what I don't understand. So you're Mother is Jewish and your father's Italian. Yeah. That must have been quite a house.

Well, you know, the thing is, my mother was raised kind of like by Italians. So she was, she fit right in. You know what I mean? She was cursed in Italian, cooked Italian. So she was like kind of more Italian than she was Jewish, you know. But I had a whole Jewish side of the family. I had Aunt Ida and Aunt Sylvia and we would go and visit. And my grandmother, my grandmother's,

made a name, my grandmother's name is Sally Moskowitz. My mother's made a name Lorraine Bernstein. So I knew that whole part of the world. Cross-cultural. Absolutely. It was great. And I'm very proud to say I'm half-Jewish, very proud. And working class,

right? Bensonhurst. My father was below working class. He was a small time, want to be gangster. And did not, he was a bad father. And we had five kids who grew up on welfare. My mother held us together, and he was a bad guy.

He didn't want to work. He was one of these guys. He would love what's going on now, free stuff. You know, he sat on the couch literally for 30 years. The welfare guy. Did your mother know he was a bad guy? Yeah, but I guess she was kind of trapped in. Well, she got five kids.

She got five kids. Did the best you can. You know, I'm the middle kid. Everybody turned out okay, and she held it together, you know. Did you forgive your father? the end? No. You held it against him. I still hold it against him. He's been dead for 20-something years. That's the Italian. Absolutely. So yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I, and you know what? This is the thing, Bill, your dad, right? I'm a dad. The more that I got into being a father, I'm saying, how could you

allow this to happen? How could you get the light shut off? What could the power bill have been in $1965, $17? I mean, how can you allow that? I had two daughters that have a responsibility. I got to take care of these two. This is what I signed up for, even if something happened with me and her mom, which she's the greatest mom on earth

and a wonderful wife to me for 37 years. But these kids, I got to take care of. But the leap that you make from unstable home, lower working class, lights coming out, into stardom, celebrity status. That's a pretty big leap. Yeah, you know, look, my mother, you know, badgered that we're going to college, right? So she had that. Drilled it into you.

She put that into me, we're going to college. So my one sister went to college and I went to college. I went to John Jay, I played basketball, went to John Jay College my freshman year, 1975, played there, and then transferred to Brooklyn, took the train from Bensonhurst, all hours of the night to John Jay. I mean, I'm stunned that I did it then. 1975, the city was a disaster.

I'm taking the train 1 o'clock in the morning, you know, from 59th Street, you know, where it was, you know. went to Brooklyn, graduated, actually tried out for a team in Israel. They wanted me to work on a kibbutz. I didn't want to do that. A friend of mine that I grew up with, he moved to Vegas.

He said, I could get your job. I went out to Vegas. As a greeter, as one as... At first, I started delivering pizza. Yeah? I was delivering pizza, and then I became a bouncer at Paul Ike's Club. But did you have in the back?

your mind that you wanted to be a performer? No, never. Never, never, never dawned on you. Not in the least, but I didn't know, I never knew what I wanted to do. I just knew to look people in the eye, be honest, shake their hand. That is, my father. Well, you have a good person now. Yeah, but my father didn't instill it in me.

I always knew a lot of people. I played basketball. I played in the guard in my senior year. I always was around a lot of people. I had a lot of friends always, you know. played basketball all over the city. The worst neighborhoods, the best neighborhoods. That was my thing.

That's what I was passionate about. Right. You know, when you try, this is my opinion. You know, like when you try, like they go, yeah, I want you to meet this guy. He can help you. That guy, that's not my bag ever. I've never met someone for that reason

or went to lunch with them, or maybe this guy could advance me. Never. If I liked you, I liked you if I didn't. There's a guy, he was from Israel. He used to come into the, club I was a bouncer and he was lonely he moved to he moved there he was working at the Riviera hotel and I buy him a drink his family was there he

was there by himself he worked the front desk in the hotel long story short six months later the guy becomes the vice president of the hotel of the hotel yeah and he calls me up he said we're opening up this comedy club he said I want you to have the job so I go in I interview for everybody I get the job So you manage the comedy club? Imagine the comedy club. That's where I started. It was an improv.

Then I took over, there was a topless show, and then there was a female impersonator show. So I was running it, making a lot of money, a lot of tips. Those are the days you could still, you know, I wore a tuxedo. You still had to pay to get a good seat. And that's where I started acting.

Of course, I was working with a lot of comics. Bill Maher. Were you the MC? No, no. I just was seeing people in the back of the room. They would say, hey, you know what? I'm doing this little short film. You know, why don't you come and do this?

Kevin Pollock, he said, come on, do HBO special. I played a bouncer in his thing. And it was just fun to me. It was fun. I had no, I never read a script, never did anything. It flew myself to L.A. I had a ball. Literally a cliche.

I got literally high from doing it. So it was meant to, be. You didn't seek it. It wasn't on your mind. You're a basketball player from Brooklyn. You ride that train. Then you go to Vegas. You ride that train. Then you start to get little rolls in L.A. And you wind up in two of the biggest monster hits in modern television. So let's zero in on the Sopranos, which you are still making money from. Oh, yeah. You're going out all over the world, you were just in England and it couldn't get enough for you over there. It was crazy.

We did 14 cities. 14 shows in 10 cities started in Belfast, Nottingham, Birmingham, London, Edinburgh. I mean, we went through the whole thing. Me and Michael O'Perioli. We have a comic with us on stage. Christopher. 27,000 tickets. Unbelievable.

Telling stories, funny behind-the-scenes stories, all positive. We'll get to that in a minute. But Gandalfini and Tom Selik were the two titans that these shows revolved around. Okay? Both very interesting personalities. I know Selk a little bit. I never met Gandalfini. Now, when you went on the set to play a low-level gangster, New Jersey gangster, all right?

There's Gandalfini, who already had established himself as one of the great actors in the country. Okay. How did he behave on the show? Complete pro. Always, always trying to help you. My first scene is with him, Stevie Van Zandt, Vinnie Pestor, Big Pussy, Pauli Walness, Tony Sirico. That's my first scene. I didn't know anyone. A lot of these guys knew each other. Yeah, sure. I came in the second season at the beginning of the second season.

I knew no one. said hello did the scene Jim is trying to help me I'm supposed to be intimidated scared he's helping me I was green I had work

don't get me wrong I had done you know a bunch of stuff but you know this is a different level boom you know I did a few movies and he's trying to help me

he's yelling at me he's screaming at me he's trying to get me where I need to be once I do that the scene's over I'm one of the guys you know he's just

trying to help. At one point he said, come on, me, him, Dominic Key and Aze, Uncle Junior, come to my trailer, let's go over the lines, let's run lines. It's almost an out-of-body experience. I'm going myself, how the hell did I get here? I'm watching these guys on TV a week ago. Right. Now I'm here with the three of them. And they're all very eccentric characters. Absolutely, but good guys. Jim was always a pro. You know, people say, did you guys have fun on the set? Yeah, we had fun. It was all business. He was working 16 hours a day, five days a week. Listen, a great guy, not without problems.

I mean, that's common knowledge, right? But not on the said, never when he was working. You saw none, there was none of that. Was he the leader of the gang? Absolutely. Okay. In a positive way. So you can't come in and, you know, it was a good vibe.

It really was like a family. We were close, very respectful. Nobody could come in and be disrespectful to one another. That wasn't flying. Homeowners, you have probably thought about calling American financing to refinance and pay off credit card debt. But that low mortgage rate made you second guess. Well, if you are drowning in credit card interests, that rate won't help you. And just making minimum payments means that debt will follow you for years.

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Did you do that? I mean, are you doing that? No, we were, I was at a young age, I was sent out in the forest to retrieve maple syrup from the treatments. That's what they do with their children, the youngans. The youngans are sent to work and I had to draw sap, maple sap from the maple tree. In Southern Canada, there's a lot of funny P. Akroyd comes out of there. Lauren Michaels comes out of there. A bunch of the SNL people, you and all of this.

So is it just the region that produces this humor? Or are you just so happy you don't live in Nova Scotia that you're making jokes all the time? Now you're making fun of the country. I will tell you that it is even fascinating to me that so many people that I am fans of, in front of and behind the camera, come from Canada per capita. We probably have the highest rate of talent and whether that is even in music, you know, from Celine Dion to Drake to, you know, so many others to film directors, Norman Jewison and writers and comedians and comedians. and just producers like Lauren Michaels. For such a, you know, we have a tenth of the population of all of America. You guys have 300, we have, I live here, 330 million people.

We have 30 million people. And most of that population is in like three little ponds of population. And that would be southern Ontario, like Toronto, in Quebec, around Montreal, and then on the west coast around Vancouver. And so many, that's where Michael Bublae comes from, so much talent in such a small area is there must be something in our in our water i don't know what it is when you look back the the contrast of your upbringing to your daughter's upbringing in la must be it's two different worlds right and i i say my wife and i my wife's also from

Toronto. I've been married for 46 years to the same woman. And my world, her, I'm talking my daughter's world, my son's world, and my other daughter. I have three children is so vastly different. Well, first of all, when we first moved here, and I don't know if it's LA as much as it's America, this was somewhat of a culture shock. You know, just the American way is a very different culture. And it was a culture that I adhered to, that I love. It's that go get it kind of, you know, Canada is a beautiful place to live and a beautiful, safe, wonderful giving environment. And here it is like, and there's nothing wrong with this. And that's what I liked about it. And this is what I got my career about. But it is every man for themselves, you know, and it's that go get

attitude. And you can have a dream and make that dream come true. That's what AGT is about. And I did, you know, everything I've ever been punished for, expelled for, gun, in trouble for is what I seem to get paid for. And I turned what was considered a, you know, a behavioral problem into my own little industry. So, but my kids, you know, they went, they went to public school. And my, both my wife and I, we come from, you know, I grew up in an apartment and shared a room with my brother. They didn't, they were lower middle class. And I've tried to instill into my kids. the importance and the gratitude of hard work and respect.

And they've all done that. You know, I told you the daughter that you met spent every day driving out to, you know, Crenshaw and Watts and East L.A., which are really kind of underserved areas in L.A. and she taught and was in those schools where there was violence and corruption. And, you know, so they did that. My son who actually runs my company and not because I gave him a job. It's not nepotism. It's more nepotism that he hired me.

I'm one of maybe 30 different podcasts that he produces that have nothing to do with me. And he built this building that you see. He was a YouTuber and made a fortune by himself as a YouTuber as a kid. And then realized he kind of gleaned that entrepreneurial spirit that I have. I'm much more entrepreneurial than I am creative. And my other daughter, who doesn't ever want to be on camera, doesn't even want her picture taken. It was hard to talk her into being in her wedding album is a physiotherapist.

So I think they see things that I never got to see in Toronto as a kid. I mean, they're obviously much more privileged and we get to do things. And I feel like nobody's more excited and feels surprised. and blessed by what this has afforded me to do for me and my family, but they all earn their own livings. They work very hard. They invest their money. They have their own little property and then rent it out and build their own little world. And I'm very proud of them. And they don't act like anything is coming to them. But I am vastly aware that this is not the world that I grew up in. That's for sure. But it's, I'm giving all the credit to your wife.

for the kids turning out well. So I'm going to Mandel's studio in a place called Van Nuys, which is north of L.A. And we had never been to the studio before, and we walk into the studio, and it's very elaborate. So your son has done a very good job with it. But there's actually a band in this studio, a human beings, five or six of them,

and they write a song while the guest, was me, was talking to Mandel. And then after the bike is over, they sing the song. It was great. I, during COVID, and, you know, I've been very open above my mental health and OCD and my germophobia, but, and I'm not crying a river, but the OCD was really hard for me. I almost went overboard. And one of my little panaceas was I was on TikTok and listening to live streams and I

heard this Sunny in the Blackpack. They would play. He's got a beautiful voice and they're great. And they would live stream for hours. And I DM them. And I just said to them, hey, listen, I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan. Where are you that turned out to be in Northern California?

They were in San Francisco. And I said, if you ever think of coming to L.A. And you need a space. You know, I have space here. You know, I'm based in a warehouse. I spend my day in a warehouse. That's where I am right now. And you could, you know, whatever you're doing, you could do it from here.

And maybe because you're in L.A., there are connections you could make and people you can do content. You know, you can meet Bill O'Reilly. You can sing a song about them. And they move down. And now Sunny and the Blackpack are my house band. It's unique. I've never seen it before.

It's very, very impressive. Now, on linear TV, that requires a different discipline than social media and the podcast world. So you do America's Got Talent, you do Canada's Got Talent. And I went, are we talking hockey here? But wise guy remark. But a linear situation is different because, you know, you've got to hit the breaks. You've got to do this. You've got to do that.

The shows that you do, are they fun to do or is it going to work? Well, listen, I am, nobody's more thrilled and excited and blown away by the fact that I'm invited to the party. This is even fun sitting and talking to you. You're somebody that I watch that I fanboyed on and then I get to sit and talk to you and you're interested in asking me a question is amazing. So everything I do, I have joy for. A joy for. My most exciting thing that is not work and nothing stands in the way is stand-up comedy. I love stand-up comedy.

And I still tour. I do, well, three times a week, I drop in at the comedy store, the laugh factory, or the improv, and any given night, Chappelle and Leno and everybody who's anybody is up there, Sebastian, and we just write. And there, now in the clubs, they lock away your phones, so they can't be recorded and they can't be repeat. And that's the fun. Ready to take your investing knowledge to pro-level, this is Fidelity, Next, your daily edge in the markets.

Get deep insights on real-time market topics that may impact your investment portfolio. Listen to Fidelity Connects on Spotify today and power your next move tomorrow. But, you know, linear television is ad-supported television. And I also know that I have the responsibility to be responsible because there are people like Ward and McDowell and all these people supporting it. How do you, when you say you love stand-up, many, many stand-up comics are, dark people. You know that, I'm sure. I mean, they're funny and they have unbelievable wit and talent, but off camera, they're kind of morose. It's not an easy industry. It isn't, because you've got to make these people react to you. So, number one, do you write everything down when it comes

into your mind that that's pretty funny and observation? Do you write it down? Or is it just stream of consciousness. I will write down during the day I write down if there's something that I think is a tidbit that I can expound upon. I don't write word for word. I'm not as disciplined as Jerry Seinfeld, you know, who is a wordsmith and brilliant at it. I just have an idea and then in front of the audience, I will go like tonight, I'll be at the improv and the comedy store. And so I'll go and try something that I wrote down and and I didn't write the jokes. I just wrote on this is a funny area and I'll do it there and then I'll drive over to the comedy store at the improv and then I'll drive over the comedy store and I'll do it again there and then tomorrow night I'll do it again

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5-6-1-7-17-67-67-79-4 they'll help you place an order before we get to the one bad movie thing because I am interested in in Hollywood to some degree there was and I need you to straighten this out for me we don't invite anybody on this long form that we feel isn't going to tell a truth because I don't want to have to beat the hell out of you, you know, not physically, but, you know, let's have a nice conversation. In 1989, he did a movie called Casualties of War. Yes, sir. Brian DePama was the director, big, big director. Okay. And you left the movie. And there were all kinds of stories about you, Sean Penn, and Michael J. Fox.

Right. You want to clean that up for me? Okay, before I forgot, I'd like you to be on my show, One Bad Movie. And this, you're going to love this dovetail right now. Because I'm setting up some episodes for New York, and my first guest is Michael J. Fox when I do the New York. Okay, good. So now it's going to be Michael J. Fox and you, if you're available, sir. So, yeah, listen, listen, can I, do you want to hear the whole thing? No, I want to hear why you left the movie.

I left the movie because Sean Penn was my idol. And when I auditioned, I auditioned thinking, wow, what a shot I got here. Yeah, right? Wow. What an opportunity. Spicoli. Well, more than Spikoli. To me, I'll always be spikoli.

Me too. But he's done, you know, Carlito's way and he's done some other legendary stuff. So I get this opportunity to go read for Art Linson, the legendary producer with DePama. I read for Art Linson. and I'm doing stuff in the script with the character that's not there. I added like a stutter and I did some weird stuff

and just, this is the character I came up with. I read for Lince and he goes, it's not what's on the page. Why are you doing it like that? I said, it's just what came to my mind. He goes, great. Can you go in two hours and meet De Palma?

It's all in Manhattan. I'm like, holy shit. Yeah, I'm going to see Brian DePama. I go see DePama at his house, Upper West Side, blah, blah, blah. I sit down, I do the audition. He goes, that's not in the script. Why are you doing it that way?

This is just, this is the character. This is what I came up with. He goes, great. Sean Penn has final approval of the casting. Can you meet him in two hours at this restaurant on the upper west side? It's all happening. It's weird in eight hours. Right.

I go see Penn. We're at that white rocking horse on the upper west side, some fancy place. And we're in this back little booth. And he's smoking in the restaurant. I'll never forget. I couldn't believe he was smoking in the restaurant. So he sits down and he goes, okay, when we get there, I'm the sergeant.

You're this. This is how it's going to go. can't talk to Fox when we get to Pouquet Thailand with the Poma and everybody big movie you got to just shut your mouth and do what I tell you I'm telling you you speak to Fox once your ass is grass

why didn't he want you to talk to Michael Day Fox? Because it was a method thing he was doing. Nobody talks to each other? Penn wanted absolute control in the wrath of his leadership as the sergeant in this story. In the platoon. Right, right. So he turns around and, you know, I am my father's son here, Bill.

You know, you tell me not to do something, right? You got to do it. So I get over there and Fox is one of my heroes too. I mean, what do I? I'm like going to piss on Michael Fox or disrespectful. You know, in some kind of a method actor way because this guy's telling me this not. Long story short, we were like two weeks into filming. And Penn comes up to me during a lunch break.

and he says to me, you know, everything I'm right, everything good, but he knows I've been hanging, like I've been rapping, you know, the word got back to him. With Fox, yeah. Yeah, and he just turns around and he says to me, you know, okay, okay, as long as you're following my orders, the next morning. Ready to take your investing knowledge to pro level? This is Fidelity Connects, your daily edge in the markets. Get deep insights on real-time market topics that may impact your investment portfolio.

Listen to Fidelity Connects on Spotify today and power your next move tomorrow. Mr. Baldwin, Mr. Linson would like you see you before you head to the set. Now, now, it's Thailand. So I get in a car, I go to his office. Now, you're going to love this one, Bill. I walk in, he goes, Stephen, this is the hardest part of a producer's job. I said, art, we're already filming for two weeks.

There's no way you're getting rid of me. He goes, we're sending you home. I said, do I get paid? He goes, absolutely. I said, well, let me go get my stuff. And I'll just swing by the set and say goodbye to the guys. He goes, your room's already been packed and your belongings will meet you at the airport. You're going to go.

Dude, forgive me, sir. Mr. O'Reilly, these guys demonstrated for me in that very extreme Hollywood way what it's like to get replaced within the system. Were you angry at Penn? Not now. I'm just turned six years. Back then. No, no, no. Well, sure.

I was furious. Back to the future. You're like Michael J. Fox. You're in a car. Right. Were you mad? Listen. Michael J. Fox makes a good joke.

He says he's happy about Eric Stultz because Eric Stoltz was supposed to actually do back to the future. It didn't work out. Michael J. Fox took his part. Okay. John C. Riley? Ever hear of him? Sure.

He replaced me in that movie. In the movie. You would have been better, though. Well, listen, John C. Riley's a talented guy. Right. But you were mad at Penn, pulling rank. Well, only because, you know, it was a dream. It was the biggest, it was the biggest jump in my career as far as if I had remained in the movie.

Who knows? Right. I don't know Penn very well, but a couple of ponds. And he wouldn't mess with me. He would be foolish, too. But I asked Clint Eastwood about him. Oh, really? Because, and this might be something.

for your podcast. They did a movie Mystic River. Yes, of course. Up in Boston. It's a brilliant film. Right. And Penn is an edgy guy. Egy.

Okay? You say smoking in a restaurant. It's not all he's doing in a restaurant. But that was 30 years ago. Go ahead. Right. But you weren't allowed to smoke back then. Correct.

So you're going to do what he wants to do. So Sidney Eastwood is a very level-headed guy. Right. But extremely powerful. Yeah, and not a scared he cat. I said, how did you get along with Penn? I mean, my God. Right.

And he looked at me, he goes, no problem. One or two takes. He did it the way I wanted to do it because he sort of directed it. And I was it. And Jack Nicholson said the same thing. Right. Nicholson loves Penn. And Nicholson's no raving liberal.

Right. Okay. So he's an interesting guy. Now, on your podcast, one bad movie. What movie and what guy or gal surprised you the most by saying that movie terrible, and I'm sorry I did it. What a fabulous question. Because literally it's the person that's on right now. We do.

No, no, no, no. The guest, you mean? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So Brian Austin Green, famous for 90210. Right. He's the current guest on the show.

and we're about to drop part two on the YouTube channel. And like I told you, Bill, one bad movie podcast hosted by me, it's like if I sat with you and said, hey, did you do a cameo or did you play a part in something? Did you do a TV commercial? What's the thing where you ate the sushi for lunch and you got food poisoning and you were like, or the car ran over your toe or, you know, somebody showed up on set, they were wasted?

What's the thing that was just the nightmare that now in the first? retrospect is kind of humorous. So once we start doing all that, it becomes a lot more fun. You know, because now instead of me doing a direct kind of like, you know, like, oh, what's your favorite movie you've done or what, you know, so right now I sit down with Brian Austin Green and I say to him something like and like, oh, well, you know, I just think times have changed. And now you have a lot of, you know, actors who are moving into these kind of camaraderie.

commercial kind of corporate positions in these titles and they're making tons of money. Some of these stars, you know, I said, I said Margo, Robbie and Barbie, you know, like a, right. This gal made $70 million on the back end. Now, God bless her. Go, go, go, Margo, go. But I'm just saying to Brian, you know, I did things have changed and I just, I don't agree with it. And I don't think movies like that, which is kind of like a fictional kind of silly kind of frivolity.

Right. Exactly. I said, I just don't think those are the great movies Hollywood could, you know, it could and should be making now. And B.A.G. Brian Austin Green came back at me, Bill, like you couldn't believe it. He's like, oh, yeah, well, I disagree. And here's what. And he kind of very reasonably and quite logically, from a financial perspective, made a lot of sense.

But I'm an old school guy. you know i like stand by me i like 16 candles now brian likes that stuff too but he's more of a contemporary open to this other stuff nobody believes me when i say this if i got offered some huge movie tomorrow but i had to be like in front of a green screen on hooks flying all around bill i'm out i don't care what you want to pay me