Blank Check with Griffin & David - A House of Dynamite

Episode Date: October 26, 2025

Kathryn Bigelow is back. But are WE so back? Not quite. The gang discusses the recent release A House of Dynamite, a film in which the president listens to podcasts, Tracy Letts loves the Mets, and the city of Chicago may or may not be completely leveled by an atomic bomb. Do we kind of miss Mark Boal now? Are we praying Kathryn Bigelow directs something a little more in line with Strange Days or Point Break next? Would Ethan Hunt have saved this movie? Yes, yes, and yes. Sign up for Check Book, the Blank Check newsletter featuring even more “real nerdy shit” to feed your  pop culture obsession. Dossier excerpts, film biz AND burger reports, and even more exclusive content you won’t want to miss out on. Join our Patreon for franchise commentaries and bonus episodes. Follow us @blankcheckpod on Twitter, Instagram, Threads and Facebook!  Buy some real nerdy merch Connect with other Blankies on our Reddit or Discord For anything else, check out BlankCheckPod.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Blank Jack with Griffin and David Blank Jack with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show It was Blank Jack I was listening to this dynamite the other day And it said we're living in a house full of podcast Now here's what's going on

Marie sees this movie first of the four of us She texts us Oh my God, you guys The big monologue in the movie The monologue that provides the title for the film Already has the word podcast in it Correct Ben and I go see the movie

Like a couple nights later That line comes up Ben like slaps himself in the face He like face palms Right Oh it's not If you're gonna do the Leo pointing meme Which I did

I did my part. Don't do it after, one, you've already had the title of the movie appear. Yeah. And then two, you've named the third chapter of your movie that as well and had that title appear. Sure. And by the way. Yeah. Just, it just kind of felt like it just was like, and by the way, the metaphor is, it's what we've built a house full of dynamite.

I heard that on a podcast. I was trying to do, and you just did it well, the Idriselba thing where it's like 95% perfect. I think he has had better American accents in the past, but always what you're describing where it's like, ah, some vowels are escaping, some towels are out of the pan. Yeah, some same word in time. Yeah, babe, the sheep pig, let's get these vowels back in. This was, I wasn't sure what was going on. He kind of sounded British to me the whole time.

I was really confused. I forgot that he was the president. We're going to talk about all this. I forgot, I like saw that he was in the movie. Oh, you forgot that he was going to be in the movie. I forgot that he's going to be in the movie. So the whole time, I'm like, well, who's the president? Who's the president?

That's what they want. And I was, I saw this movie at Nighthawk, so I was, like, writing things down on my little, like, you know, order cards. And one of the things was, like, he sounds like Cuomo. Like, he's got, like, oh, you were writing them down for your husband, I assume who you saw the movie with. And I'm like, is it going to be like, sometimes he sounds a little Trumpy. Sometimes he sounds like Cuomo. There's definitely, like, a New York accent. There was just, like, too much going on.

And then when they had the interest reveal, I was like, oh, oh, okay. He's plausible casting as a president, obviously. We're going to talk about it. There's a lot. You keep saying we're going to talk about things. Why are we going to do already? Because I have to finish my setup. All right, you built a house for yourself.

Ben's like, no. We go see this movie also at Nighthawk. By the way, Marie, I thought what you were going to say is Nighthawk dying in theater. You on the little order card wrote down, who is playing the president and asked the server to answer. Well, you know what I. I didn't right down for the server. There was a guy in front of me who was vaping. Fuck this.

He lets out a fucking cloud of smoke in the middle of the movie. And I'm like, I'm sorry. This is a civilized theater. We don't do that here. This is not a house full of dynamite. Right. This happened to me on the subway yesterday. And I like sat down, woman next to me takes out a vape pen.

The moment I sit down blows a puff of smoke. I'm like, sorry, other side of the car. I am not sitting next to you. I don't approve. I don't vape anymore. Yeah. I know at one time I did and I would vape. in studio and I've learned my lesson.

You're squeaky clean Benny. Yes. You vaped in this studio? No, when we used to record it at the audio boom studios, I occasionally would take a quick little puff. That was a little fuck the man. Now you're the man. Who are you fucking if you vape in the studio?

That's true. This line comes up. We go see the movie with Truck Torrance. Yeah. Great artist. Friend of the show. Man behind 100% soft was in town for near Comic Con and Alan Smithy, an anonymous editor of blank check.

And the four of us are talking after the movie. and you're I think truck is like well makes your life easy the quote's just there right and I was like I think I want to flip the word dynamite and podcast in the quote because for the first time we have a quote with podcast in it is it funny to overdo the bit and then Alan Smithy was like you should just say the word podcast 15 times and I was like let me find the exact quote and then I'll do it there is no way to find the exact quote we saw some theaters no one's right it's not on Netflix yet no not yet we don't have a screen or link I was just like I don't remember the one sentence, I think I got it right, but also the three times... You didn't get it exact, but who cares? House of Dynamite as title, Kairon, line and movie and title of film are worded three different ways. It's true. It's house full of dinahs.

I think that's the chapter heading, right, exactly. It's just... Filled with dynamite is one time, I think. But like, you can't say, in my opinion, you can't actually do whatever you want. I can do whatever you want. We live in a free country, but... Or the time... Yeah, right, sort of. not by the time this episode comes out. Sort of. We live sort of in every

you come. Kind of. Fifteen asterix. Yeah. But like, I don't think your movie can have someone say the title and preface it with, I heard this on a podcast. My God. And then it's like, oh, oh, and what's the character president of the United States? And I'm like, I was, I work for a podcast and I was so embarrassed. I felt so ashamed. Any time a podcast comes up in any movie, I immediately knock at a star. Right. And maybe it's self-loathing. This is a room.

Thank God for podcasts. They saved our lives. Of course, I love podcasts. But the second movies give any weight to podcast. I'm like, this movie's done. Well, especially because he's a fucking politician. He's the goddamn president. Why is he listening to the podcast?

We are saying this in the week that Obama concludes WTS. Not by that he's listening to podcasts. Of course he's listening to podcasts. We can debate like, oh, sure, should Obama be doing something different with his post presidency. Fine. Yeah, you should go on Theo Vaughn. I'm more just saying, yeah, he should go on and be like, what's the matter with you? What if Obama just went on all the... No, he's just like, what's the matter with you?

Yeah. You just said that over and over again. Bad father? What's your deal? Theo, he's got... Okay, we'll go. Let's not wait into all this and we'll introduce our show in a second. Obama should go on Joe Rogan. It's just that the guy's literally being asked like, hey, so what amount of nukes should we fight? And he's like, literally taking... Should we fire? And he's like,

yeah, so I heard something on a podcast once. I would be like, let's table that until we're in fucking fort, you know, apocalypse. We got less than five minutes going on. I don't want you quoting any podcast now. Here is what does exist on the quotes page for a House of Dynamite, the new film from Catherine Bigelow. First in six years, I believe, right? Seven.

Okay. I think Detroit was 2018. I believe so. I mean, you could tell me anything. Here, Big News, Griffin. It was 2017. Yeah. Jesus.

Wow. So it's been eight years. eight years. Here's what's on the quotes page. S.A. I see Ken Cho. And then in brackets, talking to Lieutenant Commander Robert Reeves, the carrier of quote unquote, the football that holds the nuclear launch codes and about how many presidents he's worked for and about the current serving president portrayed by Idris Elba. End of brackets. I've worked for three. They're all narcissists. At least this one reads the newspaper. None of that contact necessarily. Who is the lunatic who adds that to IMDB? I don't know. But they didn't add the line.

I was looking for. Look, this is Blank Check with Griffin and David. I am Griffin. I'm David. That's not the kind of rapid response to the presidency. Hello, it's Ben Hosley. Hello, Ben. And I'm Commander-Lutnant-Marie Barty Salinas. There we fucking...

It'd be kind of more Lieutenant Commander. I don't know. I don't know. My hands are up. My hands are up. Democratic Party, Barty. Although this movie doesn't pick sides. It doesn't pick sides. I'm technically a registered Democrat in New York because you kind of have to be in order to vote for the local primaries, but...

I'm not pegging you as a Democrat. I'm just trying to come with an analog for this movie. Thank you. You're part of the machine. The Democrat machine. No, I'm not. I'm kidding. Eight years ago, we covered Catherine Bigelow on this podcast tied into the release of

Detroit, which seemed like a very exciting new movie. That was one of the cases where we put someone on the schedule saying... You know what, you're right. And it will line up perfectly. Right. We hadn't discussed a lot of women on the show. She had obvious blank check films in her... Absolutely.

And she was coming off of a... you know, double, best picture, you know, contender type movies, yeah. And Zero Dark was a big. Zero Dark had also made money. Had made a lot of money. And you were like, she's in a real prime position.

And people were excited about the trailers for that movie. And then just kind of like immediate belly flop. We had our friends from Black Man Can't Jump in Hollywood on. We were just sort of like, this thing just doesn't work. Feels like Catherine Bigelow needs a reset. She's done these three Mark Bull movies in a row. And something needs to reset.

And instead, just fucking eight. year hiatus talking to someone the other night who was like well what did she made since Detroit and I was like nothing and he was like what happened in that time and I was trying to remember we can go into some of it there's like an HBO series that she shoots the pilot it doesn't happen sure she was announced a direct triple frontier that was obviously a sort of long gestating yeah there were a couple of those though there were a couple here's a hot script bigelow attached with three big names it's set up at a studio budget disagreement she drops off another year goes by without a big load here's the thing

no here's the thing triple frontier was announced after hurt locker insane she decides to go zero dark 30 post that she continues to court it but then decides she's going to make a beau burgdoll movie right which never happened right and it was why do i know that who this is serial season two he's the guy who wandered off his um yeah yeah yeah yeah he said the jihadist or whatever Am I thinking the different series that New York Times audio did? Am I long in thinking that serial season two? It was serial season two. Was basically using the material that Mark Bull had from interviewing to research for that movie?

I think so. I think there was a little bit of that. Yeah. But this is that era where you're just like maybe she needs to like stop working with Bull and like switch. He was held by the Taliban. Yeah. Okay. I remember this.

Sorry. She did Detroit instead. Yeah. But then yeah. I don't, I mean, COVID happened. She's getting. older she's in her 70s it's not like yeah i need katherine bigelow to be pedal to the metal but it is yeah i mean she did an apple commercial you're right triple frontier was 2010 she was

going to do it with tom hanks and johnny dep i also remember a version where tom hardy and will smith were attached i mean it's a movie with a bunch of guys a lot of guys could fit in it miraculous year was her HBO pilot but that was also 2010 and she had a stacked cast uh and it wasn't picked up but you're right There hasn't even been I think she's mostly just chilling Yeah I don't know I don't know what she's

Netflix she had a film called Aurora That was an adaptation of David Kep's novel I mean it's even just like reading things like this Of course she was offered The first Andrew Garfield amazing Spider-Man She was offered Rise of the Planet of the Apes Okay She also Mogadishu Minnesota

That was an HBO thing that sputtered Yeah Something called the The Viking candor tomb raider okay you know what okay all right i have a bunch of things to say one i don't like we've introduced the show right yeah yes a house of dynamite i don't like the film and i do feel like it is on the same track a track i wish she'd leapt off of right and so in theory i want her to make tomb raider right because i'm like katherine high octane action you used to be the queen of this like what happened

like let's do this again let's do something goofier let's do something more fun but then like it is like I guess the option is like, do you want to do Tomb Raider? Right? It's like you can't go and make probably an original giant scale action movie with ease. You can do Tomb Raider and try and, you know, have fun with that. Here's the thought I had like halfway through this movie. And you're right, that it would be more depressing if we were just like, wait a second, Catherine Bigelow directed extraction three. Right.

And they're not even promoting her. Right. Here was the major thought I had. Up until this year when the train came off the rails. I was excited by the direction Mission Impossible had gone in being a Macquarie-driven franchise. But if we run an alternate history in which it remains a new director every time, she would have been great. I feel like we almost definitely would have gotten a Mission Impossible directed by Bigelow at some point in the 20s.

At the very least, the call would have been made. Yes. Or a bond, or like any of these things where you're like, can we at least give her like the caviar franchises? As depressing as that is, maybe that's what she should have done in. 2017 that's like put me up for the most adult sophisticated franchises. I, not to psychoanalyze her, but I don't think she wants to do that, right? She wants to do really serious stuff. It seems to me wouldn't interest her.

I liked, but I'm like something like born is the most serious version of a franchise movie. You know, there's versions of this she can do. Look, she tried to make a movie called Mogadishu, Minnesota about jihadi recruitment. You know, I just feel like she's just like on this path of like, no, I want to do like docu drama. stuff i want to do stuff about right now like you know what's happening here's my bigger take right off the bat i said right off the bat 15 minutes into an episode i like this movie more than the three of you while admitting it's pretty fucking wonky it is so not a great film also accorded to direct a reboot a planet the apes at one point i said that already oh sorry oh no you said she was was it rise

was that the reboot rise was the first the james franco it makes sense these were the things she was offered post Oscar. Right. Right. There's that list that deadline posted that I love to reference where they said they have four candidates to take over Spider-Man. This is Sony's dream wish list. Pascal has hand

selected of who she thinks is up to the task of rebooting Spider-Man. And this is, that movie was 2012. So like early 2009. 2010-11 announcement, right? So right after Hurt Locker. The names were Catherine Bigelow, David Fincher

Who of course met on the 2002 On the first Ramey film Wes Anderson Who was kind of at like a bad career point Signed to New Management And they clearly were like It's kind of like post-argealing But no fantastic

Mr. Fox flopped Yeah but it was good movie Yes But Moonrise really did kind of like Swing him back He got new reps And there was this moment of like Is he gonna director for hire

Can he not do his thing anymore? And then Moonrise was so much smaller budget, right? And then the fourth name on the list was Mark Webb. And they went with Mark Webb. Was that because his name was Webb? I think that was a big part of it. And I think the other thing was the other three directors went no fucking way.

Yeah, I mean, right. Is that like me saying, like, I'd like a 10-year, $400 million contract. Right. But, like, my actual desired salary is Mark Webb. But look, you watch this movie. And I'm like, this is like kind of. a gentleman six to me. It has high highs. It's got some really dumb shit. I didn't find it not enjoyable to watch. I also didn't find it frustrating as much as its failings are annoying. If she waited eight

years and made this, I'm like, you could have made like an okay movie every two years. This could, this felt like a COVID movie, which is really depressing. This feels like we're doing like a Netflix series. I'm like, if this is the level, if you weren't taking the time to really be like, it's got to be the right project, then, like, fart a couple of these out. I'll never complain about having one of these every 18 months on a streaming service. It feels really Netflix.

Is there like an interview with her? Like, where she explains, like, yeah, I just, you know, wasn't that excited about anything. You know, I just, I wonder, like, what. It's also interesting to me that I feel like a lot of filmmakers who are getting older and were in this, like, am I retired? Do I really have that dog in me anymore?

do I want to hunt the big projects in 2020 flipped out. A lot of filmmakers talked about this. In 2020 they're like fuck. Right. It could all end tomorrow.

If I never get to make another movie again, what am I making? And then they like launched projects right out of 2021, you know? End of 2020. She still waited another like five years.

It doesn't feel like this movie comes out of fuck. I'm tired of sitting around. I just got to do something. So I'm reading an interview with her deadline. That's what I'm reading right now, too. And she generated this project.

Yeah. And she was like, who could I, you know, like just the very basic idea of like, what does it look like if a nuclear bomb gets launched in America? Mm-hmm. And someone connected her with Noah Oppenheim, who, of course, has screenplay credits, you know, to his name, obviously. He wrote Jackie. Yes. He wrote, um, what else is a movie? I like a tremendous amount, but it's also very silly.

David's making stinky food. I like that movie a lot. The script is dog shit. I, everything else is good in my mind. No, I know, I know. I'm saying my opinion of that script by Noah Hoppin. It's very silly. Yeah.

He wrote Zero Day, which I think is sort of a House of Dynamite-style TV show. Like, it's very similar to this. I mean, I didn't watch it. Don't people not like that? Of course. Yeah. Of course they don't like it. Yeah, I'm seeing here that viewers called it bad.

Oh, oh out of 10. Like, you know, it's just like, you know, it was so exemplified what Netflix is now where they're like, We made a show Robert De Niro, Jesse Plumman's Lissy Kaplan, Joan Allen, Connie Britton, Bill Camp who's the president, it's like a huge fucking thing We cost so much money, I assume, to make it It's about all this shit

Right, there's like a terrorist attack or something Angela Bassett Right, and people are like, oh, is it any good And they're like, no, no, no, it's bad And you can't watch it You'd fall asleep. No one will ever watch it. Robert De Niro will go on off menu to promote it Sat on a shelf for like two years

Right, yeah So, like he did that he did Allegiant and the Maze Runner. Of course. That's weird. But, you know, he has this news background. Okay, Zero Day is... And she calls him.

Excuse me. Zero Day is cyber terrorist count. You know, what if something happened? But yes. Yeah. Another, what if something happened? Yes. And so she calls him and is like, you know, you do the research or whatever.

Like, you know, so what would that look like? And so she did commission this script, basically, from him. If I got this script lands on my death. I read it. My immediate email back to Noah Oppenheim is like, hey, great start. Here are great research material essentially. There's stuff in this. Griffin, you don't know.

Maybe this was after years of edits and back and forth. It's possible, but that's what this feels like. This feels like a decent first draft for something you could really. What I want to know is is the, is the, is the, of the film is that something that was present from the beginning or is that something when they were like hey actually we don't have a if we don't want to show the effects of the bomb we don't want to show going off and we also want to like plant you in media res there really isn't that much we can do so i guess we have to repeat this is exactly what i want to say i'll say it and

then i'll be done this movie right as you mentioned does the same thing three times it's showing you 18 minutes it resets the clock Somehow the movie's an hour, 50 minutes. So I guess the 18 minutes is kind of stretched out. But right, you're seeing it, though, this incident from three perspectives. Yes. You do not know. But each perspective also kind of contains four or five perspectives within it.

And they overlap. Yes, yes, yeah. But the first act, you're seeing characters only on Zoom, the second act, you're in the office with them, whatever. Exactly. You don't know who launched the nuke. And you don't know what happens when it hits. as Marie says you've stripped away basically all story right yeah out of I guess necessity because that would make it another movie if it's a movie about we're at war with Russia

we're at war with North Korea like that's a different movie right it's just about the agony of human decision making in this like which is what I like about this movie and the sports of it that work for me are capturing that but yes it is a movie that doesn't really have a political acts to grind it is more saying we live in a world where at any moment this could be activated. You know, we're sitting in a house full of dynamite. Here's this movie's take. That would be hard.

That's it. Yeah. That, my friend, is a New Yorker article. It's not a particularly good one. That is just not enough. And I was arguing with someone I work with who works in national security stuff. You know, it was like, oh, it's so realistic. It's so good.

And yeah, it's about how hard this is interesting to be. I'm like, that's fine. I can read about that. I don't need to see Idrissehubel. I'm going, what fucking bangers and mash? What should I pick? It is weird that he keeps ordering bangers and mass

at a cricket game. Oh, fucking ill. A quick cricket. He's just the most British guy. Greg sausage roll. Should I do, you know, option 18 and 19, mate? You're starting to sound more like Aussie Osport.

Oh, fucking remote, mate. Sharon. Sharon. I have a third child who's not in this show. You have to think about that? It is... Free kids, only two of them are in the show. I'm watching this movie,

and it was like, first wave of response out of Venice was Bigelow's back, right? At a Venice of... A very strange Venice. Like a mirror verse Venice. Everything that was like there kind of faltered out of Venice,

everything that wasn't like there is kind of, you know, had a bounce back after a... It's so weird. You were recently on the big picture. and talked about the flop fall that we're living through. Yeah, yeah, the festival season has been very, like, odd and aberrant. Like a calamitous festival season, but I also feel like every first wave of responses I've heard for a movie,

the second wave is the exact opposite, and the third wave evens out to, like, there's weird. Yeah, that's true. It arrives, like, fully cooked on your plate, and everyone's like, yeah, I don't know, C plus. It was okay. But I was hearing, like, Hamlet doesn't have the juice. And then I was hearing, like, Hamlet's knock and. people out. And then people are like... And it's okay.

Everything's leveling out to okay. Jay Kelly is like, oh my God, embarrassing disaster. And then... Great movie. The first wave I heard was Sims and ten other people telling me it... Yeah. But then it debuted... That movie debuted in Venice, partly because that's where Netflix debuts its movie,

but partly because it does have scenes in Italy. Yes. And I imagine they were like, this rocks. It's set in Italy. It's a movie star in Italy. It's about an American movie star debut that movie in America. Whatever. Nobody listens to me.

I really liked what you said on that big... You said basically that verbatim of his tick. What do you think? And I'll be like, Tiff, hang up. I love this idea of you just being like some sort of like Wizard of Oz type thing. You're behind a curtain. I'm like, yeah, sounds like Tiff. See you later.

Like, you know, I just, you know, I'm just running. It did feel like things were underwhelming at Venice. And two of the only things that came out with really positive responses were no other choice. The Park Timwork film. We will cover on this podcast, I think, in the new year. Yes. And House of Dynamite, there was a sense of relief of like, it's not a masterpiece, but this thing's really gripping.

Everyone was basically like, it's, you know, it does what it's trying to do. Yeah. It's tense. It's thrilling. It's about something real. Right. Exactly. And this movie has been sort of ensconced on all the best picture prediction lists, right?

And then the second wave of responses is, is this thing really fucking dumb? We start hearing that from a lot of. I started hearing, like, People are laughing. Like, you know, and I'm like, wait, I thought it was like incredibly tense docu-film about ripping out their arm-ress. Nuclear war. And I was like, you know, getting text, like, my screening erupted in laughter at the end.

Did your, did your screen it? Yes. We had a very, the vape guy. Yeah. Yeah. This Cape Fear guy, he was like, ah, ha, ha, ha. No, he didn't laugh. When the movie cut to black at the end.

Are you fucking kidding me? Here's my impression of what happened when the movie is. Barbs from Babe Guy. Directed by Catherine Bigelow comes up, and here's my impression of the sound we heard. It was a collective... There was like an 80s comedian there, like in front of a brick wall?

We saw the smallest screen at Nighthawk, but it was pretty packed. Right, on a Sunday night. But it is very much, obviously, just sort of been wedged into some theaters by Netflix in their usual way. No fanfare. It was packed, and it was basically the smallest movie.

It's like 20 seats, yeah. But I will say, like, they have it playing simultaneously. This is very New York, playing simultaneously at the Nighthawk, Angelica, and at Paris. The Paris Theater, which is... That's a little more than they usually. It's a little bit more. I saw it at the Angelica. Yes.

And the movie... I wanted those realistic subway rumbulls to... Did it add to the experience? Of course. Yeah. The movie ends. And there was this collective. Every person in the theater had to go through all three stages of grieving, which is lasting, booing, and

scoffing all at once all in one noise who it was like so weird and i'm watching it and i'm like okay you know bigelow is kind of a person with high highs and low lows she doesn't have much of a middle tier she's got a good amount of masterpieces in my opinion there's not a lot of like it's just okays and i was like this is one of her only it's just okays and i'm just happy that she's back the ending happens directed by katherine bigelow comes up i'm like that immediately just went down from like three and a half to three for me and I'm being generous. I feel like for most people it goes from three to two and a half

or lower. I guess here's my question because this is the debate I had and we can just get right to it because why not? What is the ending we want? Right? Because I was debating this with my co-worker and I'm like I understand that there's no good ending here. Yeah. It's a fucking nuclear war movie. Like what are you going to do? I would like to see the film melt. Okay. That's all folks style. Just disintegrate.

That's cool That's kind of like That's postmodern Metatextual And then the gremlins You see their shadows In the projection booth And they're making

It was them all along They launched it And then the Hulkster comes off Because this is what I'm saying You've stripped out again Where did this come from What's it leading to So I don't know what your ending can be

Gremlins They should just repeat The ending of Oppenheimer Just put it in there Just oh like literally cut to Killian Murphy. Yes. And they're like, see, this is what he was right out.

Yes. Okay, I want to add to my idea. Then a pinata comes down and we are handed bats and we all smash. It's just like audience. The movie. Work your frustration here. The pinata is the poster for House of Dynamite. Or it's like the film canister.

Yeah. Sure. How about this? The movie ends with James Cameron direct address to camera and being like this represents the cowardice of American filmmakers showing the after effects. Yeah. Wait, speaking of, guys, I'm going to Hiroshima this month. Did you guys know that?

I love how she's segueing to this now. It's just the tone in which you said that, Marie. You're going on vacation, Marie, on honeymoon. You're going on honeymoon. We're both going on separate honeymoons to separate destinations with separate spouses at the same time. It would be weird if you were going crazy. That was a cell. Yeah, exactly.

Maybe and David would have a blast. Yeah. I mean. Not me, to be clear. Marie's husband. Yeah, my husband, who's also a name. Oh, okay. All right.

I'm pretty fun. But, no, I'm going to Japan. Ben's going to Italy. We love it. Classic places to go. But we just booked a one day or one night, two day, sure. Little excursion to Hiroshima to go visit the memorial in the museum.

It's a lovely city. You made that transition as like, oh, that reminds me. You know where we're going? And I thought you were going to say Tokyo Disney. See? It was that level of excitement. I understand that you and your husband love history. I do love history, and I am, like, I was very disappointed in this movie because I am fascinated by, like, the what if, similarly to Catherine Bigelow, I'm very fascinated by the what ifs of nuclear war.

I think when this movie works, for me, it weirdly works better at, like, giving us kind of interesting character glimpses than really outlining for you exactly how this would go down. Right. Like it does feel like it's lacking and even some of the like brass tacks like hard, hard details of a zero doc 30. It is because I think this is such a brief thing in a way that there's actually only so much detail. Right. Yeah. And like I think there's stretches of it where I'm like, I'm actually enjoying watching this through this character's perspective, this performance works. I'm getting a little glimpse of their struggle.

In terms of the ending, the problem with the ending is you're watching and you're going like, how the fuck is she going to end this thing and the ending feels like an actual like admission of defeat like the ending of the movie feels like I don't know I got nothing it kind of feels you're right

sorry we didn't come up with an ending because just full spoilers to people this movie has these three acts right and every time where you're getting to like one second left on the countdown it cuts to black there's a sustained like black and then new title card comes up

and we reset the clock right and then the third act we're with the president in the back of his fucking SUV and the second count on happens we cut to black and I go like so what's you going to do now finally the three timelines right right we end on the president what do you do here and then it gives us like four random like images like a soldier like kneeling you know well people running to the bunker right you get stuff like that where you're like oh fuck something's happening and then it's like directed by katherine bigelow there's like Fifteen seconds of, like, MOS footage of characters we don't know reacting to something. And I'm like, the movie actually is better if when it cuts to black at the end of Idriselba, the credit comes up there. It's worse to even give us 15 seconds of something else. Sure. And have those 15 seconds be like, I don't know. You know what I even would have preferred?

What? Like, just a giant wall of text. Sure. At the end giving. This is where I was going forward with this movie. But I'm like, if you don't have anything. Or no, just like, hey, this is. This is like, you know...

This is one scenario. If you want, you know, we need to focus on nuclear disarmament. Like some sort of like, I don't know, just... Yeah, it doesn't sound great. It just says, we're fucked. We're fucked. I don't know. Just some sort of like...

I don't know. It's just... Whatever it is now is bad. When they come back up from the black, I'm like, oh, so there's like a bonus act. They're going to do some kind of fallout thing. David, what sound is that? I'm in Gettysburg right now, so you might be hearing that on the

audio. I love that. I love that. That's the other thing. You watch that. I'm at Gettysburg. Okay. Why? Well, it's history. Okay. So does North Korea have nuclear capabilities? Yeah, maybe good, maybe medium.

You're like, it should just be a fucking series where there's a whole Gretelie episode or something. Well, but now, now you're talking about what I don't like, of course. There's, there'd be stretching it out more when there's less. You got, every fucking episode is the same 20 minutes. But then I'm like, do you get to focus on the characters more if each segment isn't loading in like 15 perspectives? Here, well, let me do a great impression of a character and how's the dynamite right now.

Say there's a nuclear bomb. There's a nuclear bomb. It's going to Chicago. I have a family member who lives. Possibly in Chicago. Maybe not. Or I have a pregnant person. Right.

No, but just every song, it seems like, well, I also have it. I'm like, yeah, everyone's got fucking. Yeah. This isn't very bad. Yes. Everyone would be stressed out. Can I ask a question?

What if there's one guy who's like, eh, who cares? I ain't got no family. I hate my family. I'm kind of a lone wolf. Can't time me down. David? Yes.

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You'll be happy you did. see in the neighborhood. Why is Angel Reese in this movie? Because it needs, that to me felt like, oh yeah, remember when Bush was like teaching a classroom of children on 9-11? Like what would the president plausibly be doing during some crisis? But when it was at, when she actually fucking showed up in the movie, I started laughing. Is Jason Clark in this movie by law?

Is every movie like this just required? I know obviously she's directed him before and zero direct three. But like, like just, it's like, where's Jason Clark? It's like he has to play somebody. It's a punch car. He's one away from a free sandwich. Would we say he's getting like cucked by employees at his job? Because he doesn't really do anything.

He certainly is not quite. Yeah. He gets to be in the bunker, but then he had. That is your back. Confirming DefConfor. We're at DefCon 4. Oh, shit. Do we have to reset the episode?

Do we have to go back? You were asking about, oh, Angel Reese. They never named the president in this. There is this scene where he shows up to, like, do a meet and greet with children, right? And the Jumbotron says, like, Angel Reese in big letters above the court. And I was like, oh, Angel Reese is a cool name for a president. Because I didn't know this is a real athlete. I thought they were saying.

Why don't you care about women's sports? Excuse me. I went to a Liberty game. Congratulations. Griffith talked about this like he climbed Mount Kilimanjaro. Because if you're like the percentage. He lives not to docks him within walking distance of where they play basketball. The percentage of live sporting events I have been to in the last 20 years going to one WMBA game makes a pretty big sense.

You went to a Mets game last. season. And I know you've been to some Paris basketball games because your brother all worked there. I really enjoyed how on the true great episode you were able to participate in the conversation about basketball. Yeah. Has that an episode come out yet? Good question. Yes. By the time this episode just came out. Yeah. I got into the the Brooklyn Cyclones, the Mets minor league team because they do theme nights. So I went to Seinfeld night and Hot Dog Day. Unfortunately, Miss Toy Story Day, but did get some of the march. right for a markup on eBay who's Angel Reese I don't I don't know anything about

Angel Reese is probably like the second biggest star in the NBA active I would disagree with oh excuse me everyone relaxed obviously the most famous WMBA player is Caitlin Clark because of her national fame even I know I think I think Angel Wilson is like let's not disrespect the MVP I'm not saying that they're that they're like that she's like the best player I'm just saying in terms of like people I see very famous in my feeds popping up with endorsement deals

and appearances. Very big in college much like Caitlin Clark they were rivals they still have a rivalry There's a bird magic kind of thing going on Well, yeah

But the Angel's team sucks Okay That makes it tough Unfortunately She kind of mother fucked her team this year Like publicly she was like My team sucks I don't like the players

I play with I think she soft-held it Only slightly more than the way I'm putting it right now. So she's, you know, she's working it out where her future lies, whether she leaves the team or gets better player. I don't know. But she's a famous player. Do you know that Angel Reese was born after the first Ramey Spider-Man came out to keep using that as a demarcation in time? As a fan of pro sports, it's one of those things around like, where it's like, LeBron James is

like a year older than me. I think I said this on an episode or... LeBron's older than you? I think he's a year older than me. Oh, yeah, because I guess he's like my husband's age. Right. I think he was born in. either late 84 or early December 30th 1984 and you know like in the NBA people like a medical marvel

he walks the court this man wizened a skeleton practical I'm like right he's my age and like there are guys who are like getting a little long in the tooth

veteran like and I'm like right that's just I'm only going to get older we did George Lucas talk show recently with Chloe Trost and Emil Joaquin former SNL cast members both lovely people incredibly funny people

Yeah. And at some point we got into like, you know, Conner's George was interrogating them about their relationship to Star Wars and what age they were when they came out. And we realized Chloe was born in 97 and Amil was born in 98. And I was like, and they've already been fired from SNL. That was the part that flipped me out was I was like, you're under 30 and you're already like in your post-S&L career. Well, they've got the new, you know, cat, right, like the Veronica or she was 95. Yeah. Baby Gonzo, baby five. All right, Jane Wickline was born in 99.

That is cutting it close. Has SNO had a single cast member? That was my question. A 2000s. All right, Tommy Brennan, 94. I want to say... Jeremy Colhane 92. Fucking ancient.

Get out of here, old ass. Pam Patterson, I want to say... He's young. I mean, that kid's young, right? Is he born post millennium? Post-Willenium? April 10th, 1999. Few!

Thank God. He witnessed 9-11. Like, I have co-workers. I've said... My co-worker wrote. I love her to death. She's a grown person. The 9-11.

The 9-11 line is really tough. I said to her like, were you born after 9-11? She was like, no. I was in a crib. Yeah. Okay, by the skinny her teeth. Oh, Jesus. Ashley Padilla, oh, no, no gear listed for her.

It's a mysterious. Do you know Ashley Padilla was a Diane Keaton's personal system for many years? And she co-wrote a book with her. She had some very touching tribute posts. It's nice. We have so much to say about a house of time. Keaton. No, we don't. Be funny if Diane Keaton in like classic

dying Keaton wear, R-I-P to her. This was her swan song that the Zoom screen is black for, you know, and then the third act is her with like a big hat being like, I don't know what to do. She could have, she would have been an incredible president. This is what I'm saying. Interest help feels a little rude one. It's like, yeah, very, very handsome esteemed. Okay, yeah, yeah, sure. But what about, like,

who's like a weirdo we can put in there? Bobcat Goldthway. You know, like, who's the president? You can have anybody. They actually showed a trailer for, oh, my God, well, it's a bobcat movie about horses. There's a bobcat. Oh, oh, Hot for Trot. Yeah. Because they're screaming that soon.

They showed that trailer at Nighthawk before House of Dider. I believe it's Hot Two Trot. You're right. Hot Two Tud. That is the infamous talking horse movie that my father always uses an example of how to not structure your career. Dabney's in there. And John Candy is the voice of the horse. I just love in the 80s where they're like, who should play the boss?

I'm kidding. I already called Dabney Colvin. He's already on it. Dapney quietly was like the fucking Samuel Jackson at the box office in the 80s. Exactly. He was reliable. Yeah. They like, you know, try to make their pre-shows at Nighthawk

specific to the movie they're playing. They did not do that for House of Dynamite. Yeah, what are you going to do? Some bummer shit? You can just play a podcast. So the fucking Hot for Trot trailer starts playing. And my husband's like, wait, what is this movie about? Like, is there going to be a horse?

Is Bobcat in House of Dynamite? Are these spoilers? Here's a question for the group I want to hear each of you weigh in on who you think delivers the best performance in this movie Oh, good question Because there are good performances in this

But there's not an obvious MVP I don't think there are good performances I think there are perfectly great performances I think there are good performances Well I think Rebecca is my personal favorite But I also feel like People like Rebecca and Tracy could do this shit in their sleep Yeah, I don't, right.

I'm going to say, I'm going to say, let's go. What about Grot Elite, son? What, we, let's go what? I'm just, I'm going to say let's go. Oh, let's get out of here. L-E-T-T-S. Oh, let's go, that's why I tried to start the applaud. Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go Mets, actually, good point.

Let's go Mets. If everyone else in this film cares about, like, their pregnant spouse, their child, their mom, but Tracy Lutz cares about, Francesco Lindor He does shout out Francisco Lindor in what was undoubtedly my favorite part of the movie

which is funny because Tracy Letts was on the big picture and mother fucked the Mets quite loudly to the point that I got kind of annoying How great would it be

if in this movie they went like texting Sean being like Tracy Lutz is a completely exaggerated idea of the 80s events go ahead yes it's heading towards Chicago

and they just push in on Tracy Lutz and goes I have a base in Chicago with 20,000 blaze. If we take my steelbooks and put them all around Chicago in a sort of dome, perhaps we can

protect the city. Kina Lorber first run with slip covers. Arrow, L.E. with booklets. I think Gabriel Basso is really good in this movie. Oh, okay. This is Jake. Yeah. It really surprised me. You know what? He's totally solid,

but I thought he was like kind of the heart of this thing. I am not familiar with his his work because I did not see Hillbilly elegy. Oh, you didn't want to I wasn't interested in that. I wasn't rushing to see it. Picture this. COVID-19 is swept America. J.D. Vance biopic bubbles up on Netflix. You know, he's in Super 8 though.

And he was a... I don't remember that movie at all. He had kind of like puppy fat kid, you know, cutie pie. Night agent is his Netflix show that's a hit that I'll never want. Is that a little Tom Hiddleston? No, that's the night. manager. Okay. What if there was a

night manager? This is a newish show. It's been on Netflix for two seasons. Created by Sean Ryan. A third is coming. It's Sean Ryan, the shield and, you know,

the unit and all those shows. I remember him as a Super 8 kid. Then it's like he's J.D. Vance and the new Ron Howard Oscar bait. Now, is that like a Toys R. Russ kid? I want to be a Super 8 kid. And then, right, the JD Vance thing

becomes like a fucking albatross around his neck. And I, like, night agents a hit. And I kept hearing people being like, he's good. And I'm like, I don't know. I immediately locked into what he was doing in this film. I think he's pretty good, yeah. I wasn't as, like, pumped up about this.

I don't know if it's a performance thing. I thought I, you know, just kept his character stuck with me. I agree. Because I'm like, oh, my God, he, like, the one person who kind of knows what's going on and our government is like a millennial. Here's what I also think he plays. Name Jake? Very well.

this guy's fresh enough and passionate enough he's not been burnt down and jaded by all of this right that he's kind of the sharpest tool in the drawer here in terms of how to address and analyze this problem and you can tell that he's been like prepping his entire life for this moment and yet he's having the performance anxiety of holy shit every word i'm saying actually matters isn't he thrown into the situation because like his superior is not available or he's like late to the meaning right yeah there's something like that but the thing about knows his shit though but it's like terrifying when you're suddenly like every word i say could have like a humongous effect on humanity but he's playing the like he's overwhelmed he's playing it like very there's a little rick thee in turn that i am

inclined to you know wow a like i'm not saying he's pulling for me i'm saying this character type Sorry, I'm just imagining Rick the intern Like on the phone with like the Russian defense The last place coffees need to get dropped Here's the thing I'm going to sit Because his, Basso's only job in this movie Is to inform everyone that the sort of missile interceptor thing Has about a 60% chance of working

And so you have Jared Harris again Really really trying with the American accent Oh, it's a fucking coin toss ain't it? Pie and Mash. I got a daughter in Chicago I heard this news and I was like That tech is at six I thought that just didn't work

Right I was like this is good there It might work I did think because there's so much ramp up Of him not wanting to say the number I know they really stretch it out because of this movie has a lot of time to fill I thought it was going to be like 15% Right right like actually a five minute It's like a one in a million bullet with a bullet

At that point in the movie we're in the second chapter so you know it doesn't work So why is this the crux of your second act? Can I ask a question of you two at you three? The Angelica Popcorn was very good. Thank you for asking. Good. I'm glad. The structure of the film deciding what to reveal when, what characters to focus in which section.

What is the organizing principle? I understand the president. Is there one? I mean, it's just, I guess you can think about it this way. Is it like Ferguson and her? Not really. It's sort of like the stages of reaction. So it's like Ferguson and her team are the team that notices and sends the alert up the chain. Letts and his generals are the guys who make the military decision to try and counteract and then have to decide what's next. And then the decision lands on the president's plate and the third act, which is like, okay, this is happening. Now you have to open the football, which is actually a briefcase filled with documents and pick a retaliation. And you have Let's going, we have to do something. you have Basso going like I talked to the Russians

I don't think it's them we could try to defuse this by doing nothing kind of the failsafe you know debate like in that movie I love failsafe we talked about this

and fucking final reckoning anytime a movie is able to capture 15 minutes of failsafe juice you got me sure you love it which is the first like what

20 30 minutes of the movie which I would certainly the first act is the strongest because that's when you're in what's happening the most and it's the most

I'd also argue that Ferguson has maybe become an automatic two-stars person for me. I love her. In at least a third of the movie, you're already starting out at two stars just from her presence. This movie, unfortunately, doesn't add a lot on top of the auto, too. I mean, except for the Snowman, sure. I know you haven't. I haven't seen The Snowman. You haven't seen The Snowman, but we have merch inspired by the Snowman.

Wow. I mean, that was J.D., who, that was his creation. Who's out of control, let's be honest. Next year, I'm worried about for a little bit. Next year, she's got Mercy, which is literally like the Tracy Morgan, my, I filmed that in my car. I have not been able to get myself to watch that trailer. It's like this January 2nd, as early as possible, we are dumping this out. What if you were in a chair?

Like, that's the movie. Is it like, what if emotions were robots movie? What is the premise? Let me, let me see what do you log on? in 2029, Los Angeles. Ooh, future. Okay. A detective stands on trial

accused of murdering his wife. That's Chris Pratt. He has 90 minutes to prove his innocence to the advanced AI judge he once championed before determining his feet. Right.

That is... Rebecca Ferguson is playing the AI. It's directed by Timur. Becumptov. It's a Timur, Bechmammtov. I'm sorry. It's not a screen life movie, though,

right? No, but I think it is. I think it's like him being like, what if I did Screen Life on a bigger scale where I think it's going to be a lot of screen. No one wants this. Well, he is insistent that people want it. And Ferguson is the AI

judge. She's the SIM one. She's the, exactly. Jesus. And then she's in June part three, which like, I'm sure she will crush it, but she has emphasized, like, was on set for a couple days. Yeah, it's a small role. Because that character's not even in that book. Did you guys? But does she have season four of Silo?

Back to the. I believe it's season three. Yeah, there have been currently, how many, two seasons? Two seasons of silo, not sure when season three is coming out. I think they're going deeper. Well, season two was- Spoilers. Spoilers, but season two, she goes from the one silo to another silo. Sounds like a good season.

So, season three, who knows? We've discovered silo B. What's in there? Most of those these days don't transfer from one silo to another until season four or five. You know what, that's so true. That is so true. Season one ends with them just finding a door. And then season two is how do we find the key?

You're like, why they call it silo? The whole first season, they're not in the silo. We found this out. Well, no, I'm not going to say that. It's a future episode spoiler. Marie, what were you about to say? That's too bad. I was excited for one.

Have you guys seen this quote? Yes. But she, hold on, I got to find it. From Rebecca Ferg? Rebecca Ferguson, throw... in front of bus. Well, it was, she was motherfucking a co-star, right? I keep saying the word of mother-fucking.

She was, she was saying that she had a very tough post-star she'd worked with, right? Yes, and she keeps like dropping breadclothed. She won't say who it is. She's ruled out. Mr. Blanky, I think of us. Not Hugh Jackman, not Timothy Chalamey, not Tom. Not Ryan Reynolds.

There are even some ones where you were like, come on. This guy's a second tier guest, and she was like, don't worry, he's not in the mix. Rebecca Ferguson gets candid, quote, She hasn't been in that many movies. I will shove someone under a bus to make a point. So who does she mean? Who is it? We know who it is.

No, it was every time. I think we decided it was Hugh. It's not Hugh. It's not Hugh. She's worked with him multiple times. People forget reminiscence. No, she has openly said it's not Hugh. Are we going to say who we think it is?

You can tell me, I forgot. Everything points towards Jake Gyllenhaal in life. A movie that is completely forgot. Yes. And also, you know what? A movie? that is okay. Have you guys met Jake Gyllenhaal?

Certainly, I have heard one billion stories about what a high energy individual Jake Gillen Hall is and how that can really go either way on set. Because in my experience, when I worked out as a receptionist when his mom was editing a movie she made, he came in? No.

He like wore like a disguise and wouldn't make eye contact with anyone. There were like 10 people. I mean, he was a bubble boy. He was like a turtle. And it's like, you know, had a hoodie on. But Maggie was lovely. And she and she and Peter were talking to everyone.

Last night. Like so nice, you know. But Jake was. Last night late on TikTok, I found some rando comedian, you know, 900 likes. Like, not a big video doing Rachel in Dark Night, like doing Maggie as. And it was just one of those impressions where you're like, I've never thought about, like, how odd this performance is and how good an impression. She could be of it. Yes.

Just like, it just, she keeps like, at first she's doing lines and then she starts doing other. But she's like, I have to go to the mall with Harvey. Like, she just keeps hitting that. I'm going to show it. It's so funny. Was it Arnaud de Chaplin? Who was the, was there an international filmmaker who did a big story of how he shot in entire mood, Jake Gyllenhaal that got shut down?

Yes. He's just notoriously, I will just say, incredibly eccentric. In his process, in a way that has been known to make things complicated and drive people a little crazy. He's never given a performance that radiates that energy. It's just like, even something like ambulance or whatever, where it works, it just kind of feels like it is, to quote Jared Harris, a fucking coin toss, whether you're going to get, like, over the top in a way that kind of overwhelms or over in the top of the way that kind of serves the movie. Okja being the sort of barometer performance, where you're like, do you like this? I like that. Do you even, like, know what we're talking about?

No. Ever? At any point during this fucking fuck? Do you know the context of the Rebecca Ferguson stuff? So like two. I would answer your question. I'd say it's about 50-50. According to her, it's a bit of a coy does.

Oh, Margaret Thatcher. So like two full years ago, if not more, she, there's some interview where they're asking her about her experiences in Hollywood and power and whatever. And she was just like, I had a co-star, an A-list male co-star. They were number one on the. call sheet which he would have been in life and they broke down yelling at me it wasn't my fault but they were so frustrated the process of the movie they took it all out at me and i felt defenseless like there was nothing i could do and i went to the producers and complained and said i'm not

working with him again i want to work off a fucking tennis ball anytime we have dialogue and they said you can't do that he's number one we have to protect him and she said fine i'll be in there but when it's his coverage he has to talk to the back of my head and it was presented as like you go girl like you don't put up with his shit but then of course everyone's like who's she talking about everyone comes up with the list she's not in that many movies it's the a list star it's the male lead right and then she has systematically for the last two years just been like circling back it's also not Chris Hemsworth in men and black international she has ruled everyone else out which is why i feel comfortable presenting my hypothesis

that it is jillen hall because he's basically the only person but is that because jake was by the symbiote because life is a venom prequel, except it isn't. But was directed by Daniel Espinosa, who directed Morbius. Who directed with Jared Lido's, as I was telling Griffin this morning, biggest hit as a star, Morbius.

That is his highest grossing film in which he is first film. Hollywood reporter was like, Tron Aries may signal that he's no longer an A-lister who can open a movie. He's never opened a movie. He's never been an A-lister. We were like, Jared Leto's best run

is all ensemble, right? It's American Psycho, it's thin red line, it's the two Finchers, and it's Reckleyan for a Dream, and it's Reckleyan for a Dream is sort of the lead. That's the one he is closest to being the lead in. But that's such a, it's such an evenly split. It's a Burson and Connolly. Burson and Connolly and Leto are the three leads of the film.

Right. But you're like, that's the best run he ever had. It is ensemble working with great directors. In 25 plus years ago, like a long time. Exactly. All of those movies are, the last of them is 2002, right? When Angel Reese was born, that's the last of that. I would disagree a little bit. I flicked when he showed up in ensemble roles.

Showed up being the crucial phrase here. I, you know, even though he's doing a thing in Blade Runner, you know. We talk about this, I think, on a future episode. It's our new Red Hulk. We're dissecting the crash out of Jared Leto in like five different episodes. I enjoyed him in House of Gucci. He was like one of the people that was dialed into the right waveway. Oh, I love it.

I like that performance and I like that movie. I'm not opposed to all. I'm just saying, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. He's never opened movies. He's never been an Aitless Star. It's a sireop. It's truly like he got that Tron Roll as like, yes, it feels like he fucking cast a spell on someone. But like, look, there's like heartthrob pre-Fontaine.

Yes, yes, you know, Jordan Kavanaugh. Then there's the era we just talked about. Which, by the way, it helps that all those movies... Emerging Indie Star. It helps that all those movies have lasted and have only grown in reputation, so it makes him feel more relevant. Then he wasn't a big band and won an Oscar. Well, then he does like six years of dog shit. Like that fucking...

It's not called... Chapter 27 is the big one. But what's the one where it's... It's not Mr. Lonely, but it's a Mr. Something. Mr. Nobody? Mr. Nobody. It's like all of those movies don't work. Then he's like, I've retired from films.

He focuses on the band. Right. Dallas Byers Club is him coming out of retirement. He wins an Oscar that we're all happy. I called it an instant buyer's remorse Oscar. Just instant. Dallas Buyers remorse. Exactly.

He took the stage. Who else was nominated that year? I don't care if a fucking ham sandwich was nominated. Give it it the trophy. But this is a good exercise. Who did Jared Little? All right. Okay.

Let's see who he beat first, you know, first and foremost, before we think about anyone else that might have been a contender. But he beat Barcott Abdi, the captain himself. Would have been my winner that year, I think. Bradley Cooper an American Hustle. It's quite good in that film. We could have gotten the, when will Bradley get his Oscar thing out of the way? Michael Fastbender in 12 years of a slave, an incredibly powerful.

Oh, he's so scary in that movie. And fucking Joe DeHill and the Wolf of Wall Street. He's so funny. These are way better than Jared Leto. Barkhot is what would have been my God. I mean, that's an amazing performance. He won the BAFTA? Probably.

Yeah, I don't, I'm more clearheaded about Leo winning for Wolf of Wall Street over McConaughey and lead that year. Hard core. Well, obviously. Hard core. But like, at least with McConaugay, you were like the men. was back. He was giving these big performances. The true detective was interstellar's the next year. Yeah.

Exactly. Him winning makes sense. I think he is fantastic in that movie and I think Jared Leto was bad in that movie. Yeah, Garrett Letter was bad in him. That's the other thing. He's bad. He's bad. He's undeniably good in a movie that doesn't do really anything. It's a shitty movie, in my opinion. Kind of a shitty movie. But I saw it on my first day

with my wife. Oh, wow. That's kind of crazy. Completely insane. It's the only reason I bring it up. Just a fucking insane thing to do. I tell you, Bill A solid foundation for a marriage. I've said this. Seen one of that movie, rough sex with two prostitutes. Scene two.

You have a case. This is the first date we are on. That is how that movie begins. We exited and we were like, anyway, like it was like with no discussion of the film. We were like, I don't know. It was fine. I just cannot think of another example of someone winning an Oscar

and everyone deciding, oh, he's proven himself as three different things he's never been. Right. A leading man, A-less blockbuster star, you know, like, it's so bizarre. Jared Lido's in this film, right? No, he's not. What are we supposed to say about a house of dynamite?

I just find, I find the writing incredibly clunky. Yeah. I find the efforts to, like, crowbar in character stuff like, oh, I'm worried about this. Like, just so, so, like, root one force, so bad. Like you're saying, like, notes should be getting that, hammering that out right away. Yeah. We do not need that level of handholds. holding of like people in society have families.

I just care about them. Because they're people. They're just, they're people. I also don't need to care about them because whatever they experience affects me, hypothetical. So like this is what the bowl films excelled at is like not having like overly stylized, overwritten, spell out the emotions dialogue. Right. You're right. Right. Like those movies are both character movies. Obviously, Hurtlock are very much. Yeah. More a character movie. It's about this place and about this job too, but it's about this guy, right? And then Zero Dark 30, the way they trick that movie into working is

by having a central character, right? Verses it being total procedure. And that movie will similarly to this go on like a 20-minute side tangent with a different character. It's not everything through her Jason Clark's got to punch his card. He's got to punch the card. He's so close

to a toasted sub. Toasted. He's going to finish his punch card and then realize that Quiznos is gone. It doesn't exist that's the great shame is unfortunately it is a quiz nose card can I add another God you guys

No one talks about the tragedy Are we so bad No I wanted to add another complaint That hasn't been brought up yet The Moses Ingram Who I think is a really great actress Love her Has nothing to do in this movie

In a subplot that is just a big old fucking wet fart There's something What is how Like we're introducing FEMA Are we going to see what FEMA's Is or what they're planned? is no there's just something sort of

it's sort of interesting again it's sort of like a weird footnote that would appear in an article like this sort of perversity of like who gets to go to the survival bunker right and Moses Ingram is like weirdly I get to because of this and that right yeah and then this other

girl who I talked to Bobby finger about this movie of France wedding I'll explain to the second was like I'm obsessed to this girl who's like why does she get to fucking go she's just been here for like a month and we never see that girl again. Obviously, no check in with this again. I think your answer. So there's something kind of like.

We also get the bunker discussion with Rebecca Ferguson. And this movie repeats its beats over and over again. I cannot deny this. It repeats half an hour. If we're going to introduce FEMA and it's like, okay, their emergency management, they have to deal with

like, I don't know, what's going on on the ground after a scenario like this. But we're not going to see what's going on. But like, we're not going to even learn about what their strategy is, Basically, beyond her going to the bunker. A house of hurricanes. I'm asking Ben for money.

I'm interested. House of plastic. They introduce her to be like, the fuck is going on. And they're just kind of getting alert messages. And she's like, can someone fill us in? And they're like, we don't have time to fill you in. It's also repeated with the young woman in the press room. Yes. They introduce the element of press.

Yeah. And then, oh, are we going to, like, the movie. You know, we have such a tight timeline of when we find out that this is happening and when it's going to hit, right? Yeah. So there's that whole question of, like, how do we inform the public? What do we do? And it seems like the answer is, no, we don't. But again, like, it's going to get out.

Someone's going to fucking tweet that there's like. I hate saying this. This is the version of me that's like this would have been better as a TV show where you can just do a full episode that is the press. Yeah, sure. I mean, I wouldn't watch it, but I know what you're saying. I also probably wouldn't watch it. Yeah, but it's just like they kind of introduce people and scenarios. They don't explore them.

Yeah. And we spend a lot of time going over the bullet hitting a bullet coin toss. Now, I understand they can't show the object, right? They have to keep that as an unknown. But they do launch then the missiles that are supposed to. intersect. I'm kind of like, what's up with that missile?

You want to see it? I want to see it. Do you want to see it? Just keep going. Yeah, just give me like three minutes. It's just a chill going through the sky. What if they reset? And a little bit of whistling too.

They reset the timeline and a new chapter is from the perspective of the missile. They're like, oh, God, I'm so worried. I'm going to fuck this up. I'm going to fuck this up. I'm a fucking messed up. I'm a fucking coin toss. What's like a British actor that could have been the voice of a missile,

but he's trying to do an American accent? I was going to say, Gary Oldman, would kill it as one of the missiles. I was seeing like Ray Winstone, which is more on the Stephen Graham. Well, I know about nuclear weapons. Fuck this. I'm a fucking missile. They fucked with Black Widow.

Wait, what if we make it a woman? Woke. Do you know about this? I'm a Thompson. Women can be weapons of mass destruction, too. Okay? Have any of you followed? Hire more female.

Yes, yeah. We're submitting this episode to nothing. You're sending it into the sky. Have any of us followed? I brought this up to Ben the other day, so he knows this. It was prompted by an activity we took place in. The Dragon Heart franchise. Well, I know the film Dragon Heart starring Dennis Quaid with Sean Connery is the voice of a dragon.

So like three or four years after that, they make a direct-to-video sequel called Dragon Heart a new beginning. Can I ask what activity this was that brought up Dragonheart? Friend of the podcast, Eva Anderson, was in New York City with her brother, the great Dash, Andrew. Well, he's always here. Yes. We went to an immersive event. Eva loves her immersives and her escape. She came all the way for immersion, right?

She did like seven things. I was going to say, but she did a lot of immersions. Yes. But this one was called Viola's Room. Yes. It's at the shed. Right. And it's a cool, like there aren't other performers in it.

It's like a set you walk through with headphones on narrated by Helen and Bottom Car. Shoeless. You are shoeless. like Joe Jackson. Telling about him Carter could have been the nuke. So I was going down a rabbit hole with my friends on the Dragonheart franchise. Ben's giving me the thumbs up. First movie theatrical.

Couple years later, like 97, there's a direct-to-video Dragon Heart a new beginning where Robbie Benson. A famous voice actor, who, you know, was so good on Severance. So great on Severance. Season 2 this year. Also an excellent NYU professor. Did you know that? I didn't. Yeah, he teaches the film department.

Okay, we're doing direct-to-video Dragon Heart. There's a new dragon. It's Robbie Ben's in the Voice of the Beast, right? I am the dragon. Then the thing's on Ice for like 12 years. And clearly someone at Universal runs in with data. And they're like Dragon Heart doing weirdly well on DVD. Or it might have just kind of been like fantasy shit, man, Game of Thrones.

Quite possibly. We own Dragon Heart. We own Dragon Heart. But they do three Dragon Heart sequels within like five years. And the dragons and those three are Patrick Stewart, Ben Kingsley, and Helena Bonham, So Ben Kingsley first in Dragonheart 3, The Sorcerer's Curse. And I think he's a new character, but Patrick Stewart is continuing the Connery character? Is it the other way around?

So Dragon Heart 3, The Sorcerer's Curse, which is directed here, I'm not looking at the names, probably Orson Welles or someone. Yep, probably. That is a prequel. So he's playing the same character of Drago. Kingsley is playing the Connery. Right. Then in Dragon Heart, Battle for the Heartfire. That is set 50 years after

Okay, so in that one you have Patrick Stewart as Drago Okay, so they're both Drago And then Dragonheart, vengeance This begins before the events of the last movie But ends after them, what are we doing? Their godfather, too,ing it And she's like a lady ice dragon. Helena Bonham Carter as Sybeth.

She's hot. This is insane. So I watched this trailer and they, because my friends and I were watching all these trailers, right? And we're like waiting in each of the trailers for the big name dropped of who's the dragon, right? We get in the booth for one day, let's be honest. Because especially when we're going like Patrick Stewart, Ben Kings, we're like, fuck, who's the third in this series?

And the doctor was a woman. None of us had considered that the dragon could be a lady. You are swinging in a curveball in the dirt. And that curveball's name is Helena Bonnard. And Helena Bonham Carter as the voice of Ice Dragon And in the trailer They cut to a five second shot

Clearly filmed on an iPhone Of Hauna Bottom Carter Wrapped in scarves and bangles In the recording studio going Roar Like actual footage Of her doing it Clearly comprising

One fifth of all the time She spent recording this dialogue And then we go to this audio show And I'm like She would probably show up in voice the fucking missile. I think HBC will loan the voice to anything for the right price. Isn't that basically what

she does in fucking you know, Terminator, whichever one she's in does, is it salvation? She's in salvation. But she's mostly it's her... No, she's right. She's the doctor in the past or whatever. She's Skynet. Yeah. This is what I'm saying. I thought she was like the Rebecca Ferguson

AI judge. You see her face in that. You see her face. I know. I know. Yeah, on a big screen. But anyway, we're after the show talking about Dragon Heart. for some reason. Because of Halibon-Carter. Okay, right, right. You were like, she's pretty good in this.

And I was like, hey, Ben, you want to hear a thing that I talk about any time I'm given the opening? I've recently learned a lot about the Dragon Art franchise. They were also trying to sell me on watching Streets of Fire. Oh, Ben would love Streets of Fire, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean... Oh, yeah.

Streets of Fire is cool. I know why you haven't seen it because it was a flop and it's only recently had a cult research, but, like, kind of crazy you've never seen it. It's like, because I love the water. Major scumbum energy. There's, like, really fun music in it. Willem Jafo is, like, one of his first movies. It's kind of hate, speaking of Catherine Bigelow, the Loveless.

It's early, rather Jackety, Willem Defoe. Moranis as a bully, we were saying. Oh, yeah. All right. Speaking of, I just, I just want to remark on Dragon Heart Vengeance, which apparently takes place both before and after Dragon Heart Battle for the Heartfire. I'm glad I've infected you with this sickness. Well, I'm just talking, so, like, you know, this Halloween, last Halloween, I did the Saw movies.

Right. I was like, I'm doing it. Yeah. All the sauce. Are dragons spooky enough to? No, no, no, no. This is prompting a new conversation. This year, I've been doing the paranormal activities.

Yes. Right? Of which there are seven. You recently got marked? I've been marked. I've entered the ghost dimension. Yeah. I am now, you know, I have met my next of kin, right?

Next of kin is the Paramount Plus one? Yeah, I mean, it was intended for theaters, but a COVID pushed it to Paramount Plus. But you scaled the mountain to watch it. I sure. I watched them all on. Paramount Plus, they're all available there. And I'm sure they ran smoothly. Well, I actually use it through Apple, so they do run smoothly.

Fuck. Which is a smart way that, you know. Yeah. So it's just what I love about these things. And it's why I do it. Because people will then get on my letterbox being like, David, you don't actually have to watch every paranormal. I like watching how these franchises trip over themselves to connect backwards.

Yeah. And like how you watch the people behind them, the disparate people usually. fall over themselves being like, so what is it about the hit long ago at this point that worked? Right. What should we connect to?

Because in paranormal activity, they keep fucking like ending up back in the house from paranormal activity one. Like a fucking tunnel opens and they go there. And I'm just like, guys, I don't think the audience is like, yay, the house with the staircase. Like, they don't care. It is funny how like the big 80s and 70s horror franchises

would just be like, and this time the monster track someone different. It's a guy, so it helps to be just like, Freddy's back. Jason's back. But it's just like, and here are a new group of characters who are going to be haunted and hunted by this guy. You're getting eight kills of varying

levels of gore and fun and all that. But then you get to like paranormal activity 10 and the big twist ending is like, oh fuck, that's how they got the bed sheets. You weren't watching a different characters. And then the movie ends with like, hey, we got an extra set of pillowcases. You want these? And they're like,

Those are the cases on the pillow And the paranormal stuff started Like my friend Hannah was watching them Because I started watching them And like there's in Four In four Yeah right

There's a kid Yes And then there's another There are two six year old boys That's the Xbox Connect one That is correct That is right And you know that in two

A baby boy got kidnapped By the monster lady From one Okay And then in three you see the prequel of how those girls grew up, which is the best movie. And three and four are both catfish?

Correct. And three is the best of this series, and four is not very good. Almost done. Okay. Four has two six-year-old boys, okay? Mm-hmm. And one of them is in the family.

One of them is like a spooky kid who's his friend who's doing lots of weird shit. Oh, that's going to turn out well. Right, exactly. And like, clearly the movie's like, the spooky kid is the kid who's abducted. Like the kid, right, who's been like in the hands of the evil. Misdirect.

It's a misdirect. And then the other kid is like, actually, I'm adopted. And they're like, it was him all along. And I'm like, so who's the other kid? And they're like, we don't know. Don't worry about it. And I'm like, such a only exist to misdirect. They're like, yeah, but what a twist.

He just has ultra tastes. And I'm like, that only exists for the twist. This is why I really want to do final destination on Patreon, especially now that we're in an era where the modern movie is a triumph. Now, that's a series that I feel like, Dipsy, in and out of trying to build connections. And anytime they do, it's so much. It's pretty funny. I mean, six, the recent one.

It's a master piece. Did a great job, basically, on every front. But there's other ones where they're like, yeah, I heard about this. And that's sort of like the extent. Yeah. Well, the fifth one is they try and like retcon, like they bring in the plane crash. I can't remember if I think it's the fourth or is it the fifth one where they, I think the fifth one ends with them getting on the plane from one.

And you're like, this whole movie was set in the year 2000. It's one of those Where they built to that twist And you're like, why? And they're like, I don't know, wasn't it cool When the plane blew up phone? It's kind of fun. I guess so.

I love those movies. I would like to do that on rolls. Bloodlines is great. I still think that is the best time I've had in a theater all year. What about? Not House of Dynamite? Yeah. What about a house of dynamite?

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Damn. I got some popcorn. It was great. I also got their pretzel with like the scallion or like green onion dip. It was so fucking good. I remember what I got. There's a fucking, there's a one battle special item. Oh, the chicken.

Yes, the chicken lollipops. I think it's called finger licking, guys. I almost ordered that. I kind of wish I did. I always end up getting like the halal rice bowl situation. I want it like two soft-ish finger foods. We're at DefCon 2. Oh, fuck.

Time to reset the episode. No, I'm just going to walk off the roof. I'm going to Jared Harrison. I, like, averted. my eyes momentarily when that happened. So you didn't even catch that? Because their reaction is like, Jesus. Yeah.

Get on the fucking copter though. And then I was like, wait, wait, wait, what? Did something happen? And David was like, yeah, he jumped off. It's a nurse. And no one really follows up on it. I was just like, wait, which guy just died? It's the whole problem with this movie.

It's like the stakes at this point are so popular. How much do we think Caitlin Dever got paid? I hope she got a nice bag. I love to see her. I think she's got, it does quite a good job in this scene. Yes, she does. given, again, to me, the sort of hackneyed nature of the scene. Yes.

Yes. But she makes it feel like a fucking real thing. I bought property on Deaver Island and justified season two. And I've got like a lavish hotel at this point. Yeah. She's always good. Uh, Gubenga, Akina Gaba, I believe is his name. Benga.

Love him. He is so good in this as well. There's sort of a side conversation. Speaking of people I met when I worked as a receptionist at a post facility, love that guy. Really great guy. He's Chris Partlow on. the wire. Yep.

A character I love. And I love how at the end of the wire he survives and he's in prison for all the murders he did. And he's with, I think, Weebey, who's another of the characters who just survived, you know, and went to prison. And they're just hanging out in prison. And you imagine them being both like, yeah, fuck, we did all that shit. This movie had two members of the wire, two members of the original Broadway cast of Hamilton.

So it's got Renee Goldsbury as a as Michelle Obama. It is weird how we need to talk about it. Yeah. But she is... Nuclear what? She is so Michelle in this. Yes. Yes. Yeah. It's true. Well, it's weird. It's, it's, she's very Michelle-coded in styling and the fact that she's like, you know, her husband is like, oh, yeah, you're my kind of my advisor. I don't know if all presidents are like that with their wives. But also, their banter is so much our public understanding of the Obama marriage. Correct. Right. And then also you have Idris being like, well, first of all, listening to podcasts and then being like, how's your jump shot? Anthony Ramos, of course, is the other Hamilton member.

I found him a little distracting, I'm going to say. I don't like him in anything. I'm sorry. I like him. I like him in... I do like him in the Heights. I don't like him in the Heights. I like him in Transformers, Rise of the Beasts.

I haven't seen that one. I have yet to rise with those beasts. I will. I think he's like what... The thing that really gets me is him in Twisters. When he's positioned as like an alternate... romantic option. I'm like, I'm sorry, Glenn Powell is just wrizzing off.

He's wrizzing in my face. True, he is wrissing in one's face. But it's also like, in that one, he's like the guy in the polo shirt. He's like, all right, but like, get back in the truck. We've got to get back to work. And I'm like, this is a good use of this guy? I feel like someone throughout when that movie came out, if you flip him and Corenswit, both of them are more interesting in each other's roles.

With Corencewit, I was just kind of like knowing that since he was going to be Superman, the whole time he was on screen, I was like, this guy could be a good super and Superman. He looks like Superman. Exactly. I also was like, oh, this is cool that he's going to be Superman, but he's playing like the antagonist in this. I'm like, okay, they messed with my tornado computer. I don't remember what he did in that movie. Yeah, whatever. But yeah, not a fan. I did like that one girl, though, the one who worked in the, like, Alaskan Army base, tears silently rolling down her cheeks. Do we know her name? I didn't clock who you're talking about. You know how she's the

one who has to, you know, announce if there was an impact. Right. Yes. Yeah. I'm trying to see if her name is here. I don't see it on the big, I thought Tracy was good. Tracy lets, it's kind of just one of those things where you're like, is this the first time he's done this? Like, he crushes

as like a general. Yes. Like, give me that all the time. Yeah. Can we talk about Idris? Yeah. What else is there to say? So, Alan Smith, the editor of this show, is just like his vibe as a president is so bizarre and unprecedented in terms of what he's doing because he really is playing it as President Idris where like the movie almost needs to stop and explain how he got elected

and it's part of this I was saying was like we're a little fucked in a Trump era depicting presidents on screen because up until because right this movie is about we assume a somewhat competent administration reacting right right up until you know let's say a little bit Obama but really up until the first Trump presidency right any kind of white guy over the age of 55 with a pretty good jawline and shoulder slap a suit on him he's the president could be the president and if you want the president to be evil rinse and repeat with someone who's got more of a character actor face and an interesting voice right but you could just sort of depict an empty suit

president on screen without it feeling like any statement especially in shit like Transformers or whatever where you're like at some point we need to cut to a White House you know Transformers 1 has the bit where there's like a fucking you see cowboy boots on a desk and a dude doing a bad

W Bush impression but then I feel like the later Transformers movies are like hello I'm president human being the Transformers are our friends and you're like there's nothing political about this right Obama kind of breaks the mold

in a lot of ways of like here's someone who because of our own fucking ugliest as a country we thought was unelectable, right? And it's such a good communicator and is charismatic and it's not a perfect figure. But obviously he's the best WTF guest of all time.

Mark. And then Trump, you're just like... My impression of him on the podcast. This thing now where anytime there's a bad present in a movie, people are like, this movie is really going after Trump, right? Even if they don't resemble Trump in any way. Idris and this kind of plays like a dilettante.

He doesn't know like... Anything. I think he was just elected or something because he keeps talking about how like the campaign was so exhausting. He seems so sleepy. He seems sleepy and he seems stressed out and he seems like a little annoyed that he has to do actual work while not being a bad guy, but everyone's kind of like he's really charismatic down to that Ken Choy moment, which is like kind of the most backfill you get on him, which is like, I'm going to miss the show. It's kind of fun watching the A-listers do their routine, you know? They're all the same.

They're chronically late and they're narcissists. And then you just watch this guy absolutely struggle to be like, I haven't learned any of the shit. I don't know what the fuck to do. He's turning to fucking Prince Eric from Little Mermaid being like, solve this for me. And you're like, this character is bizarre. And you can't just in the third act cut to him and be like, and he's the president.

It's a stressful situation. He's not even great at the basketball. No, he misses the shot. He misses the first shot. I feel like it's kind of the joke, right? Yeah. And he's just not like really engaging with the kids. very well.

Right. He's a little full of shit. He's also bad at the nuclear part. That's what I'm saying. But I mean, anyone would be. I think it's sort of the point of this movie. I would be good at it. Oh, okay.

Yeah. I'd say. This one. This one. I'd point to the menu. What do you say? Like, rare, medium, and well done. Jonah Howard King.

That's so fucked up. Who played Prince Eric and the Wonderful Little Mermaid Rebank. Probably my fifth favorite Rob Marshall Disney live action film. um you know he plays the guy who's holding the football who gives him this right in the back of the car with address yeah and there's a slightly sinister energy to him that i kind of appreciated exactly where you're like is it just because this guy has this weighty job is bigelow trying to tell us like it's kind of weird that anyone would have influence at this point even someone who means well like you know this is when the movie works for me and it's why i think the gabriel basso section works where

it's just like when all the fucking cards are down, the stakes of any sentence become so severe. Right. Interesting to think about. There are times where I think the movie captures that well in a kind of human interpersonal level more than like the logistics of how this shit goes down. Another thing I think this movie does well

is just really illustrate how much Zoom sucks. You watch the first act of this movie and you're like, these important conversations are happening on a grade of eight faces. And you're like, this sucks. This is too weighty to happen. that fucking Gabriel Bossso is taking a call like from his iPhone as he is like I'm sorry I think that is the best section of the movie and not only that I think it is the most effectively tense

section of the movie especially when he's doing the runaround with the security guards and metal detector and he's so stressed out that he can't maneuver like what is the right way to stay on this call he lacks the professionalism of some of the other people there to be like I should mute myself or like I should turn video off and yet you're like how bleak is it that like six guys are looking at a computer screen where the president's video is off and he's in the back of a car being like I don't know I don't know what the fuck should we do yeah um versus like a kind of doctor strange love fuck this is important kind of thing like it I think this movie at times captures a certain modern hell there was a part that again everything I say that I liked and want more of it makes it sound like I want you know know, like a limited series or whatever. Yeah. But the guy who works in the, like, White House Cafe. That moment, I think, is really good.

And because, like, that's what I'm more interested in. It's, like, these people on the fringes of these big, insane decisions, what, like, they're not getting any information. They're getting drops of it. How do they respond? What is life like for them? A rare moment in this film that is beautifully underwritten. Yes.

What is the name of that guy who's sort of Rebecca Ferguson's right hand? Oh. The one who's about to propose. Yeah, did you notice that I feel like it came up at one point that he was about to get married or proposed to his girlfriend? I even think that is better than the amount of people who have a child in a city or the wife is pregnant because it's at least hinging on this idea of this guy's going to regret that he didn't do it. He doesn't realize that he already missed his one chance to propose, right? I mean I guess He steps out to the hallway

He's got the fucking phones The cafe guy asks him What's going on? He takes the pause And he just says Go home And I'm like I wish the rest of the movie

Have that level of confidence In its writing To not need to spell things out Ben you had a major complaint Off of that scene Oh I said he We should have followed him home There should have been a whole act

Like I'm way more interested In that guy Yes Than I am in like anything with like Jared Harris and his daughter or like whatever like I would rather I'm more interested in the people that are more like I agree tertiary you know redolese scene I do think is kind of interesting in that setup Ben Ben did specifically say afterwards he wish we had a entire chapter based around the cafe guy so we could learn about how long he seeps his tea and so these are the

kinds of questions the movie really needs to answer yeah maybe like how does he relax. Here's another conversation. Maybe he throws on a Netflix show. Alan Smithy was like, it's crazy to think Greta Lee, Oscar nominee, and now two years

later, she's got one scene in a Catherine Bigelow movie. And I went, no, no, no, my friend, Greta Lee just missed out on a best actress nomination and in the year 2025 we're seeing the difference. Where it's like, she got the whirlwind of press, she got like put on the grand

stage, she just missed out on the nomination. Her level up paycheck gigs are one scene in House of Dynamite and human lead in Tron Aries. She's in a season what if morning show? Season four of the morning show. I don't think she's a very great actor. I think she's a very good actor. David, do you want to be the type of it's interesting. I really liked her in things. I like past lives. I think that performance fits that movie well. It wasn't a performance where I was like, oh my God, I want to see everything this person can do she's very you haven't seen tron areas yet no you haven't met him i haven't entered the grid you should or i haven't entered los angeles she's very like lost in that movie

i don't know that that's um sure i that's not her fault perhaps probably not i mean maybe someone else could have had a little more she has like a couple moments as someone who's seen every episode of the morning show multiple times i think she is terrible in that show here's a question i have not done that I have never watched the morning show. Can we hold the morning show against anyone? No. Well, I think there are people who are very good in the morning show. I believe that.

Billy cret up and I think that Jennifer Aniston as Alex Levy. What? Is great. And she had sex with John Hamm in space? No, she didn't go to space. Reese went in her place, but she did have sex with John. And was was January 6 in space? Right. Reese who did January 6th?

I did her thing. on the morning show where I'm like... Season three opens with Reese going to space and ends with her speaking to the FBI about her involvement in January 6th. Does sound like the best season of television

that's ever been produced. Okay. A lot of stuff. A lot of stuff goes on. I think she's fine in House of Dynamite in the Gettysburg scene. We're getting a documentary about the making of the Avatar films

on Disney Plus. Hell fucking... Yes. Can I say this? I went back to Pandora last week Re-Release of Way of Water Uh-huh That new trailer fucking rules Yeah, it's so cool

And there are, I guess, three preview scenes that they have playing an alternation For the re-release that's now done The one I got was Stephen Lang Meeting Una Chaplin Head of the Ashnavi And I want to say I'm pretty ready to let her

Destroy my life I am so all in on this character Fire and Ash looks So, it looks awesome. Fucking good. Spider can breathe now. Good for him. They fucking link him up to the tree and now his dreadlocks have the fucking tendrils.

They gave him those fucking dreadlocks for a reason, baby. I love it. He can fuck shit with the dreadlocks and he can breathe without an apparatus. Oh, my God. It seems like a lot to, yeah, to throw in the soup. Game is over. I'm really excited for it. Hyacon in the trailer, a bunch.

He is all over that. Yeah, I just got sent a trailer for fire and water, colon, making the other. VATAR films, official trailer, November 7th on Disney Plus. I can't wait to plug my dreadlocks into that doc. I think it would be really cool if in 2025 you decide to start growing dreadlocks. I'm going to push back on this. Oh, yeah? Oh, you got some notes on that proposal?

The bit ends now. House of Dynamite. I do agree that I think it's what I like about the Gradel E section, right? is like it's more interesting in a way to see a person have their life interrupted get a call that's just like it's fucking happening and then have to deal with the fallout

of those words being said I think the moment with Rebecca Ferguson's husband in the car is like similarly kind of emotionally effective in that way Rebecca Ferguson's very good in this but it is funny how much this movie was like sold the whale style on one image of her standing sideways

in like mission control with a phone to her head and you're like it's going to be a bigelow movie of fucking Rebecca Furreustin taking names right just knocking them down like throwing fire it's doing the look he's doing the whale now this is a reference to an episode that he still hasn't dropped which is I think the hell Caesar is where I start that that's where we really talk about it I'm much more interested

in like the fallout of all of Ethan Hunt's good intention And I wanted a scene in this movie where Tracy Letts is like, do we call in the IMF? A thing that I did write on my Nighthawk order card to show to my husband is Ethan Hunt would fix this. He would? Can we talk Bigelow tears for a moment? Sure. Tears of the Catherine. Yes. I just, just to put it out here, I have not seen weight of water or K-19.

But I've seen all the other ones. So those are water weighs about a pound. Those are the two worst ones. Okay. Really? I thought people kind of liked K-19. Crazy. No, that's like a myth that's been pushed by the woke media.

I have my top 10, my top 10 right here, and I think it's, yeah, it's unchanging, but I should put a House of Dynamite on here. I basically think near dark blue steel, point break, strange days, Hurt Locker, and Zero Dark 30 are all degrees of excellent. Well, yeah, sure. What's your favorite? Point break is my favorite. Mine is strange days I put blue steel at the top of my list When we did our rankings

Just because I was so Do you have like a Ron Silver thing? Yeah Do you like it when Ron Silver is Not chill? He ain't in that movie I've now seen several more times Since we did that series

And I fucking love it My top five are point break Strange Days Hurt Locker Near Dark Blue Steel Sure Yeah Like she does For within the can of directors

We've covered And especially for how relatively few movies she has she has a good number of like top tier movies yes and then I have zero dark 30 a solid sixth but the trouble for her is I have the loveless seventh yeah and you want that to be true

when you've made seven movies not 11 movies because then below that I have Detroit K-19 I'm going to put a house of dynamite right at number 10 above the weight of water I mean yeah even like me defending this movie more. I'm like, my only question is, do I put House of Dynamite above the Loveless? Right. Sure. Right. That would be the highest

you put it. That's the highest I'd put it. Yeah. Oceidonamite, mate. It is while just looking at that fucking gap of like 17 to 20. Well, and to me, it's also a problem that I'm like, I did not like Detroit. I think Detroit has so many of the same problems of like, just because something happened or could happen does not

mean it's a good movie. Like, or it's interesting material, right? Like, Detroit just gets so lost and it's like struggle for like veris similitude or what you know it's like you have to understand like all the horrible thing like no I don't Her Locker in Zero Dark as you said

find ways to build really good character stories to make them character studies within this Detroit has characters that's sort of trying to do that like the Boyega character 10 lead characters is a problem with that I think that Zero Dark 30s it works mostly for me as a like

Jessica Chastain performance She's queening out. I owe it a rewatch. It's a very flawed movie in my opinion. I haven't been hit with the urge to rewatch that one. Just anytime I'm kind of stressed out. I just like pratt and fatigues. Give that guy a semi-auto.

I want to watch it. I'm joking. He's such a real American. He is such a real American. What are people going to stop being mean to him? And he's not is weird. Yes. And I'm going to do an interview about how I'm not weird.

Yeah. Whatever kind of weird thing you think I am, I'm not that. yeah no further questions yeah he just needs to fight the accusations of being kind of lame he keeps responding to those as if he's been accused of war crime it's Zachary Levi it's not that bad yet yeah but like how Zachary Levi would keep keep going on me and end up being like stop saying that I'm weird right right see my movie but even like Levi had more specific accusations of like you're faving weird And Pratt, it was like, the thing that started... It's mostly you went to a weird church or whatever.

The thing that started the Pratt spiral. You divorced on a ferris, you fool. Right, but like someone made the grid of like, pick the best, rank the four Chris's. Right, right. And ever, like, overwhelmingly the internet put him forth. Right. And he felt the need to, like, sit down with Barbara Walters and be like,

why does everyone hate? And you're like, I don't know. You're four of four Christians. It's like they really just love Pine and Hemsworth. 20 million a movie. You're doing okay guy. Yeah, right. Oh, boy. How's the dynamite?

When does this movie go up on Netflix? 24th? Okay. Of October? Yeah. Do you think it's going to get a best picture number? No. I don't think so. I think it's over. No. Okay. Right? Yeah. I don't know. I, like, I'm looking at the best picture field and it goes about seven deep that I'm like, okay, these all feel plausible.

And then I'm kind of like, I don't know, man. Let's do this with our episode. You have seen way more than the other three of us. Sure. What would your 10 be right now on October 15? What would your prediction? I'll give you what, yeah, like, okay, one battle after another. Feels the most locked. Hamnet. Yeah. Sinners.

Yeah. Marty Supreme. Sentimental value. That feels like a pretty ironclad five. Wicked for good. Uh-huh. Now I am like, I don't know. Yeah.

So here's the sort of buckets of what's next. Yeah. You've got like Avatar Fire and Ash on its own island of question mark of like, hey, they always nominated these Avatar movies. But it's too. Does fatigue set in? Are they going to take it for granted? Especially when it's not a grand finale.

You've got the Netflix bucket. Jay Kelly, Frankenstein, House of Dynamite. This sort of like, what do they push? What do people like the most? We can't even tell what like does well because there's no box office. But it's true like I could see a world in which all three of those get in. I could see a world in which none of them get in. I could see a world in which one of them get them.

I struggle to imagine. in all three, but one seems plausible and two seems possible. But also zero, very possible. I would right now maybe pick Jay Kelly. I'm sort of waiting to see on Frankenstein if that goes over better. Have you seen it? No. It might have that same kind of craft surge and it getting the runner up at Toronto for audience award.

Because that's another thing where the first response is to it where it's dog shit. It's a friendlier audience. Then you've got your acclaimed foreign film. Fuck it. It was just an accident. Yeah. No other choice. Which is fucking excellent, by the way.

Oh, I'm excited to see it. My favorite movie in the year that isn't one battle. So it's your number two of the year is another way of putting that. But it's sort of like one battle. It's kind of like, well, what the fuck am I? Sure. But I love that movie so much. Yeah, it's phenomenal.

So you got, it was just an accident. No other choice. And the secret agent sort of hovering down there. And that's neon, you know, like, can favorites. Also that it's basically now a, if not a game. given there's almost a kind of standard. Often one of those gets in. An international director gets in and it gets one of the best pictures.

And it was just an accident in some ways is, you know, not the easiest movie to sell to Oscar. But in other ways is so compelling. It feels like it's his most approach. Right. Like maybe this is the moment that like, yeah, it gets this. I went to see it with my dad. We saw it at the New York Film Festival. My dad only knows about Panaghi from like the news.

Right. Right. And this guy, he's made. made five films like, you know, he made movies essentially under house arrest, smuggled out of the country, these movies are like an act of protest. And he just immediately goes, I didn't think it was going to be so funny.

And I was like, yeah, all of his movies are funny. That's the other thing. His movies are very political, but they're very human. They all have really strong hooks. But this one especially has like more of a, right, like a straightforward plot that anyone can grab onto versus the last couple, which obviously

he made under very intense conditions. Do you know about this guy, Ben? I do, yeah Yeah, can I give you like the one sense This is one of the things I know about David You know, lots of stuff

Can I give you the one sentence What you don't know about It's all the bullshit we go on About me and him I'm normal! Exactly Well yeah but now you've heard The Dragonheart sequel spiel

Two times Fuck! Try to argue you're normal Can I give you the one sentence On it was just an accident Which will also maybe function As helping to sell this movie To our audience

Sure, throw it out there A bunch of guys who were like POWs basically right Were political prisoners and torture and blindfolded and have not recovered from the trauma of that

one of these guys comes across in the wild who he thinks was his torturer they never saw the guy's face but he thinks from the guy's gate and voice the sound the gate the smell all of this and he like blindfolds him knocks him out is going to bury

him alive and the guy makes a fairly compelling argument while he's in the midst of being buried that he's got the wrong guy so then the rest of the movie is this guy being like, fuck, am I sure? In his van,

going to friends and other people who were captured and being like, can I show you something like, oh my God. Do you, I think this is him? I think it's him. And every person he goes to

is like has different levels of like how ready they are to relitigate their own trauma. Sure. But it's just about the absolute uncertainty of like, can you ever know? And if you've got the wrong guy,

then what does that say about you? And what have you done? I mean, it sounds heavy, but you're saying it's also. It's both. It's really tense. It's very, very heavy and intense. But it is really funny. But, like, is that not a great premise for a movie? It is. Absolutely. And I knew nothing going into it. I truly knew nothing. I had avoided the trailer, which gives exactly that much away. And I was, yeah. Then there's Begonia, which I have seen, and I don't buy it as an Oscar movie, but obviously they do like your ghost sometimes. You've got, like, the spring scene movie. Does that go over? It's kind of getting, like, tepid-y, you know, okay reactions. He got something like, does the, testament of Anne Lee come on strong.

Does weapons, like, have a surprise? I'm going to say, you know. I got money down on a weapon search. Does Bradley Cooper surprise everyone with this thing? Is the thing going to be on? How about this? Does Netflix get train dreams, which is better than any of the other Netflix movies? Does Netflix get K-pop demon hunters?

No, I don't think so. No. You guys. No. But they'll get it in an Oscar. It's going to win. I watched at first time with you recently. I think it's very good.

Marie, can you know. name all of the animated films to ever get a Best Picture nomination. First one is Beauty and the Beast. I'm the Beast. We've got Toy Story 3 up. I'm the potato head. I am the old picture. I believe we're at the end of the list. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Okay. It was really like Beauty and the Beast was a phenomenon. When they went to 10, everyone's response was, oh, this means that Pixar's going to get an auto nomination every year. For a minute, it did seem that way. And then Pixar started to lose it.

I don't think there's a fourth one. There is not. Yeah. Okay. And there have been other ones like, you know, the Spider-Verse movies, like things like that, where they were like, so good. This could get into it. Could this be the crossover?

Right. I think for an animated film to get into Best Picture again, it needs to be like a true. It would have to be like Wally. It would have to be like, this is a giant, the actual hit. Wally would have made it with 10. And it's getting critics awards. Yeah. I mean, the thing about it is the only real version of that since the movies we

just discussed is Spider-Verse and that probably was just cost by being a Spider-Man and they still gave it animated. Would Green Book count just because it's such an animated performance? I'm not a cartoon and a real guy! Ben, that is the most sober, realistic way I've ever seen a pizza be

eaten on screen. I don't know what you speak of. How could you call me a cartoon? Wow, remember Greenbook? We got to open a book. Should we re-release Greenbook right now? Someone was making... Green Book and 40X? Oh my God. Every time he's being...

racist? Every time Linda Cardalini, bum, bum, bum, because she's the heart of the movie. Thank you. When they throw away the glass I was reading about the 40x for one battle after another,

which I really regret not going to. He was playing for like four or five days. But apparently when like Sean Penn gets his little butt play happening, like your gives you a little tickle. Just a little lower back a little ooh.

You know, that movie's really good. Yeah, that movie's really fucking good. Yeah, it's really good. And I'll say this right now. That's my best actor right there. Leo? I don't think that's getting beat, my friend. I was thinking about him today.

I haven't seen it. You're saying personally or who you think is going to? No, Timothy Chalmy is going to win the odds. I think so, too. Yes, but no, no, I think, Timmy's winning for two reasons. One, I hear he's very good in the film. Yeah. Two, Adrian and Brody

took one step on that stage and everyone was like, why didn't we just... We got this wrong. We got this wrong. Absolutely. Brody just like, he just goes like this. Like he moves slightly to get out of a seat. And everyone's like, you know,

Sholomey was really good though. David, I'll be a little more generous. I'll give him five seconds. Yeah, he took one breath on stage. He gets it from the seat. Oh, no. It's when he throws his fucking gum. Exactly. That's when he lost it.

It is the moment he turns back around and throws his gum to Harvey Weinstein's ex-wife where people went, oh, fucking no. Everyone's like, yes, she already even has an Oscar. What are we telling? Yeah. It doesn't matter because it seems like this might be the better outcome in a weird sort of a way. It's kind of annoying when you get your Oscar for playing a musician.

Yeah. And everyone's like, I love you and I love Bob Dylan. This one, it's like you threw your whole Timossey into this one. How old is he now? It's 29. Yeah. He's almost 30. Yeah. And he will.

He'll be 30 on December 27th. And he will win best actor, presumably, with three. lead nominations under his belt before the age of 30. That's a good point. It's pretty... He's having a good run. I love my boy. I'm so excited.

Like, is he going to thank Kylie at the Oscars? Everyone is so hung up on the normal person he dates. I mean, I'm just, I'm not against the relationship. I'm actually very... Did you see Gwyneth Peltro gave some interview recently where she was like talking about how... It was elite, Gwyneth. I don't know what's going on at any point in time shit. Where she said that she asked him, like, do you have like a girlfriend?

And he was like, yeah. Yeah, I do. And then he's like, she's got two kids. And I was like, oh, that's so nice for a young man to be interested in a woman with children. And I had no idea it was Kylie Jenner. It's just like her being like, I'm in Avengers Endgame 2? I don't think so. I mean, that one?

Yeah. No, no, I'm just, I'm withholding my statements. Oh, withholding your statements like Kylie Jenner? Look, going into Oscar Newman goes to war with Jenner family When it felt like Brody and Shalame Were neck and neck, right? And Shalami had just given his sag speech

Of like, I want to be one of the grades And I like that speech. I did too. I did too. But it was a bold kind of thing to So admit like I It's always the risk like Do you want to admit how much you care about this shit

At these awards or whatever? It's him actively engaging publicly with a duel Against the notion of being cringe Which I like that I feel like he's like We're trying too hard. Right. I like, I want to be good. Yes, I'm not doing this.

Naturally. I'm not trying to get that bad, right? Like, it does mean something to me. He shows up at the Oscars. Kylie's there with him in the front row. And I just immediately thought to myself, he's not winning tonight. He's in that canary yellow suit where I was just like, I was more of a butter. I think they don't want to give it to a 28-year-old who's dating a Kardashian.

And when the Rock showed up at Venice and he was really slimmed down and you were like, Oh, yeah, we got to talk about what is up with this look? I said he knows there is no universe in which they give him an Oscar if he gets up on stage and he's like bursting out of the suit. There's certain things where like regardless of performance, they're thinking about the moment at the podium. And I do think those things factor in. I like that movie quite a bit. I think his performance in that film is extraordinary. Which was right?

It's smashing a shit. I still have to see it. I really like that movie and that performance. Should I go see it in Japan? Yeah. My friend texted me last night being like, should I go see it? And I was like, look, most people seem to not like it. It's kind of a bummer.

I like it. Check it out. She got there. She was like solo viewing. It's just me. I feel bad. Are they going to give him the nod, like, out of appreciation? Or is he even not guaranteed to get in the five?

I don't think he's guaranteed to get in the five at all because, like, at this point, the narrative is that it failed. Like, it's not just that it underwhelmed or whatever. The narrative is like, oh, it didn't worry. Which is what the movie's about. Totally. That's why it's good. It does make the movie more fascinating. Well, it would be, because, okay, Leo, Chalomey.

Mm-hmm. I think Michael B. Jordan is a lock. I disagree with you on that. Why? I would love to seem to get nominated. I'm just not sensing people putting enough credit on that performance as the driving course. I'll put it this way. If the Oscars stunned Michael B. Jordan, it's going to be a tornado of shit for them.

And I'm pretty sure they will not. I'm pretty sure they will go for it. All right. Well, let's revisit this. You're going to, you're going to. going to snub the most famous black actor of his generation for a playing twins' performance in a box office sensation that's going to get a best picture nomination and he was very much like involved with the Genesis production yeah no that that nomination makes sense to me

who else is in there well and here's why here's the other reason he's getting in there it's again kind of tricky after that well then maybe there is room for the rock well all right Wagner Moore, Secret Agent, Ethan Hawk, Blue Moon. Great performance. Which you said that I'm going to love, David. Jesse Clemens, Bagonia, Jeremy Allen White, Springsteen, George Clooney, J. Kelly. This is kind of seen as the top tier. It's a soft-ish feel after that three.

And then, because Stellan's doing supporting. Meskell's doing supporting. Yes, he is. Somewhat, I think, strategic. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. Like, supporting is also kind of weird.

Supporting actor this year is going to be tough. Yeah, I mean, do they, I'm, you know, how much they love one battle? Do they want Sean and Benicio? Like, Benicio, to me, is like MVP of the movie. I agree. He's pretty, he's pretty amazing. I think he's unbelievable in that film. My guess is that both them get nominated, but both of them getting nominated and both

of those guys already having at least one Oscar splits their votes. I think the Stellan Lifetime Achievement Award, it's hard to argue with that campaign. I haven't seen the film yet. You haven't seen... Oh, you've seen Cinema Life. But from what I'm hearing about Hamnett, Paul Meskell will be winning. Really? Really?

That's what I'm hearing. But I thought the narrative is the Jesse Buckley. It's her win. That has already been engraved, I think. That is not in question. But I'm basically just hearing, like, the movie has a major moment where he fucking does like Shakespeare and it rocks and everyone cries. And I'm like, I don't know, man.

I think they might just be like, Timmy and Meskell, baby. Let's do it. I read on Elon Musk's X, whatever. Oh, the everything website. everything website. A chill just went up my spine. That, uh, there is a line where he is like going to like kill himself and he goes to be or not to be. Look, I'm not saying that I think I'm going to love Hamlet. I will see what I think of it. You still haven't seen it. Yeah. Um, but uh, I, the thing with me with sentimental value, which is the film I think is very good. Have any of you

seen it? No, I'm really excited for it. It is not. I think it will, I think it will do well at the Oscars because they liked his last movie because Neon seems to be back, you know, right? But it is not a movie where it's like, oh my God, Stellan just crushed that monologue. Like, it's an odd, aloof, frosty Norwegian movie about a filmmaker. Like, it's not like auto, you know. But at this point, in October, many, many months to go, right? I think there are basically four people locked in supporting actors. It's the two-one battle guys, it's mescal, and it's scars guard.

Some would argue with you about Pinesio, but I would predict it. I think Benicio is getting in, right? Two of those guys have already won. Paul Meskles really young, and Stel and Scarsgaard's a legend. He is? He is. And here's another thing to consider. He's probably about to give us six months of No Skip's banger interviews.

I think that's going to hurt him more than... It's possible he will put his foot in his mouth, but I'm excited. Me, I'm excited. Like, does he show up to interviews in the fat suit for Mama Mia, too? That best case scenario. Does he accept the Oscar in the fat suit? Does he show up as his character from Pirates of the Caribbean? A bootrap Bill?

Bootstrap Bill. If we're lucky. Right, right. I don't know what he'll do. Any of it's good. All the scenarios you just outlined are good. I would love to see Delroy Lindo sneak in there. I think he's so fucking good in that movie.

Because he's so deserving of a nom at this point. He's never had one. Sandler was like... Sandler is still high on prediction list. He's great. the movie and there's all again it's the kind of like isn't it i have never nominated him like yeah does they have to make room for him i don't know the oscars they're silly what about the shark tank guy what about kevin o'leary is that everyone says he's very good in the movie i think he's probably

really fun in that movie i don't think the oscars will care yeah well is he mr wonderful that's his name yes he's the bald one yes i'm up on shark tank there's the bald one what then Oh, fuck. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Pre-sale tickets for future events subject to availability and varied by race. Turns and conditions apply.

Learn more at amex.ca. So this film, I guess, came out October 10th, 2025, which was last weekend. Yes. Bad weekend at the box office. It was an overwhelming weekend at the box office. Now, Griffin, I know you've seen the number two movie. Of course, the number one movie I have seen, and we love it. And its name is Tron Aries, starring A-lister.

Our favorite A-lister. The platinum movie star. A movie I found just this side of enjoyable because of the Tron business. Didn't find Jared too engaging. I took my low cousin George to New York Comic-Con. Sure. And as we're on the riding the subway over to beautiful Hudson. Hudson Yards, New York, a real neighborhood.

You know what? That's what it is. This is a real neighborhood, God damn it. He was asking me questions. We have a hot dog stand and everything. He was asking me questions about Hudson Yards, and I was like, this has been a thing, barely, maybe less time than you've been alive. I was going to say, probably 10-ish years. It basically broke ground when he were born.

You should just say this was almost a New York Jets Stadium, all of this. Of course, that's what I said to him. But we kept passing Tran Ares ads, and he was like, oh, my God. Tron Aries is out. Have you seen it yet? And I was like, no. And he was like, oh, I want to see it. And I went, do you like Tron? And he went, I saw the last one. I was like, hmm. I thought it was boring. And I went, well, have you seen the original? And he went, yeah, I saw that one too. I thought it was bored. And I was like, here's the whole cultural experience of Tron every time, which is they put a new thing up and you're like, that looks cool. Do I care? And then we kept seeing Tronieri's stuff at like Comic Con. He was like, oh, those Tron Aries toys are cool. And I was like, I thought you said you found Tron boring. And he was like, I do. But it looks good. It does look good.

We're not going to say how it looks. I like in the trailer when Jared Leto like just dissolves into a bunch of like little Legos, little black Legos. Excuse me, Marie, when he de-rasses. And Jody Turner Smith does it too. That's so cool. Several times. I just think that's really cool.

What if there's like some guy like a Hollywood, you know, fucking test panel, right? You know, like what do you like? Do you like action? I really only like it. when Jody Turner Smith de Reses. Oh, okay. We'll make a whole movie of that, I guess. I haven't seen any of the Trons.

They're all great. This is the worst one. I feel like I'd probably think they were boring. Yeah, definitely. No question. Like, Ehrlich was like, it's okay. And I was like, that's a pretty high bar. Right.

From Jared Letto Tron, I thought this was going to be an atomic disaster. Jared Lettotron and it's half in the real world. Like, all things from like, no. They're abandoning most of the original and legacy. Yeah. And Bridges is barely in it. He burping, though. The idea that it's watchable to me is, like, high praise.

I will go see and probably think it is fine. The amount of sort of noises that Bridges makes makes it seem to me like there were takes that were all of those noise, right? I love Tram Marie. Trondgraw. And I had just, like, braced myself for this thing is going to blow chunks. Patreon Tron? Patriotron? I've pitched it before.

Well, now that we've got Aries. Patriotron, yes. And I've got my steals I just got them as well Boy, that 82 steel looks good That transfer Oh baby As Tracy Lutz would say

Reference quality Reference quality Defcom 1 Number two at the box office Griff I actually haven't seen this movie But I know you did and I think you liked it Marie have you raised the roof No but I really want to

Roof Now I've heard Griff can you confirm a complaint I've heard Which is everyone's like A little long A little shaggy Could have tightened it from that good.

I would have watched it for five hours. There you go. It has immaculate hangout vibes. Amazing. He's hanging out on the roof. I was genuinely compelled by every single solitary second of that movie. First of all, I can rarely think it's a limited grouping of artists who become less pretentious while also not just becoming lazy and hacky.

To see Derek Cian France be like, you know what I want to make something that's fun. Right. and do it well and be like you're you're like nailing a fucking link later movie it's awesome tatum is on fire in it how's dunst dunst is so fucking good how's dinklage dinklage is fun but dinklage is like playing the pill dunst in her last scene the whole performance i thought was good right i'm like chang tatum might be like mortal lock on my best actor blankies category how and i was like dunce is like kind of right there on the supporting edge. She's really solidness, but it's really on showy work. Her final scene is such a fucking knockout. She is doing things. There are facial expressions she is able

to conjure up in a scene where she is not saying much where I was just like, I don't understand how you can have this level of fine motor control or be able to conjure up feelings this specific and this deep to get this kind of detail work. How's Melanie Diaz, an actress I had door. She doesn't have a ton to do in it. It was nice to see her. Nice to see her. She has not made a movie since 2018, although she was for the last few years on the CW's reboot of Charmed. Yes. Which nobody remembers. Here's my complaint about this movie. It's not a complaint about this movie. It's a complaint about the state of filmmaking right now. Films don't get financed unless you have 10 names in them. Right. There are a series of smaller roles in this like Ben Mandelson where you're

like, oh, fuck, Ben Mandelson shows up. Now there's going to be some... Not much to do. Right. And it's clear that everyone's calling in favors, and you're like, Uzo Adoba has like five lines in this thing. Juneau temples here. Same. Lakeith has a significant role. But the Juno Temple role is like, and I love Juno, and she is good in the movie, but it is the exact kind of role that used to be small enough that movies could take a chance and break a new talent on it. And instead you're like, this is a weirdly small role for the woman from Ted Lassow. I love Juno.

What are you, Polly Bleak her? Okay. I was in the bathroom. I just wanted to make this joke. Patron. Yeah, we made that show. I made that joke. But you know what?

We're going to say it again. Patriotron. Ben, you're going to love Roofman so much. I know. I'm excited. It is so good. Yeah.

It is so good. I was having a ball of a time. I was grinning from ear to ear. I found it very emotionally affected. He's grinning. Yeah. Channing's the best. You know, we do a whole long Channing talk in the Hail Caesar episode.

Right. And right after we recorded that. Because it's a little bit of us being like. It happened, but could it have happened more, or whatever? That that was kind of the end of a run and that he's been in a weird place since then. And we recorded that episode, and then like a week later, I was like, fuck, we didn't even mention Roofman. By the time this episode comes out, Roofman will have come out and he will undenied to be back on top. Right.

And instead, Roofman has like, Roofman is one that should have played at fucking Toronto. It did play Toronto, my friend. Did it? Yeah. That, it did. It got good reviews. Yeah. People liked it.

I think they mangled. I did too, but it's, look, but it's, I can't deny it. It's tough right now for that sort of a movie, the sort of $15, $20 million, you know, true story, dromedy. Yeah. I want to see it. Here's my new note. If I were them, I would have held it until January. I would have premiered it, Sundance, and I would have released it in February. I will say this. I certainly with, it's Paramount, right? Paramount Miramax. Right. Yeah. Um, two companies well-run. Yeah. Cool guys behind them. Um, I, you know, they kept pitching me on it. Like, yeah. And I was like, like, yeah, can you show it to me? And they were just kind of like, guys, if you want to build up buzz, but they were kind of like hiding the ball with it a little bit. It felt like they were just really doing a Channing movie star push when they really needed to like build up word of mouth. Because it's just, it's a very, like it just played like gangbusters with my crowd

last night. And it's not doing well. It's not doing amazing, although you know what? It didn't cost a ton of money. It opened to eight. It'll probably clear, you know, 15, 20. I'm kind of surprised because I assumed it was like getting a smaller release. I don't know, ma'am.

And for it to be number two at the box office. This is another thing. Hi, baby Joey. We've, like, lost the ability to do the, like, 800 screen release. The old classic, like, slow expansion, mid-expansion, yeah. If Roofman were playing on 8,000 screens rather than 2,500, like, how many screens do they put it on? It opened on 3,300 screens. I believe if Roofman had opened on 800 screens, it would have made the exact same number with a higher per-screen average,

and would have had a feeling of, oh, Roof Man's over delivering. And there have been a couple movies recently that I felt that way about. What else? Smashing Machine. Smashing, smashing. That was an interesting case of the initial tracking on it. It was like, I guess this play is working. It's going to open kind of strong.

You made the joke. It's the Dwayne Johnson thing, right? F-cinema score incoming, right? And instead, it, like, opened horribly and got an A-minus cinema score versus opening to 20 and getting an F. I think the thing about it was. obviously, it was just hurt by the buzz being kind of tepid, right? Like, you needed the buzz, yeah. In my opinion, one is the Taylor Swift movie completely sides-tri-backed.

That's so true. And I used the term movie really loosely, but that was a weekend that they thought they had all to themselves. And even though they're not the same audience, they were just going to get some default movie going. I also think one battle had legs, and it also ate into it. That's number two. And also it just took all the excitement in the sort of, like, film nerds fear that needed to be rooting for. But it got middling reviews at the fest and stuff.

I mean, Benny won the Silver Lion. Yeah. It was just a weird journey. I also think we've talked about how usually the A-24 hide the ball, sell it as a different genre thing, helps trick people into going to see the movie. Right. And instead, people went like, oh, this just looks like the Rock is really transparently doing a week and an Oscar play.

He's playing right. The way that you described it to me as like Fat City is way more interesting. is the closest dinner lot. I mean, Benny told me that was But they fucked up by trying to sell it as something more commercial than it was because it didn't convince the commercial audience and film bros were like, oh, this is just sellout shit from Benny's actor.

Number three at the box office, one battle after another. Yeah, still doing, okay. You guys, can I say, I just want to say something. Please. I'm really enjoying the Cohen's, the Coen Brothers series. You're sad we didn't get to, like, land that plane right on one battle island? The fucking one battle came out. Our Reddit was inundated with fans being like,

I hope you're all happy. This is what, the Cohen series has rocked. It's fucking ruled. Seth Rogan was on it. You heard of him? I know, but I'm just saying it would have been fun to. Well, maybe our democracy is broken. That's on you.

We didn't fucking pick. We assumed PJA was going to win. I'm just thrilled that the Coates won. I think one battle is doing just fine. without us but of course it would have been nice to talk about it but i think the coens have been fun to do i'll say this too i got a lot of are you guys really not going to do an emergency episode on this our schedule gets too filled up too quickly we don't do emergency episodes on the 12th movies bioturs what right that's not how the show works get over yourself people are still caught up in

like the first couple years where we'd sometimes try to glom on to a new release to get a ratings bump i will say and we've been sort of planning this going forward next year we have several new releases on the Patreon schedule. Yeah, we're trying to do that a little bit more. Things that previously would have been a quote-unquote emergency episode that are tied to things we've covered but aren't straight up. But like, why would we do a one battle emergency episode? We will do a whole PTA series.

Monday. Number four at the box office is a little bit about a dollhouse. Gabby's dollhouse. Who's this? Can you guys tell me? Who Gabby is? Yeah, everyone was like, and of course, David, as a parent, you must be excited for Gabby's dollhouse the movie and I was like, I don't know what

that is. It was a very big DreamWorks live action CGI hybrid Netflix show. So it was a Netflix thing. Yes. Most of DreamWorks animation. But they put that shit in theaters and they didn't put in K-pop demon hunters? Well, because, excuse me, it is a show produced by DreamWorks. It's a universal picture.

For Netflix. Netflix doesn't have the rights. Well, isn't the Sony did the fucking K-pop movie? Okay, so can I amend some of my Sony fix stuff? I wanted to bring something else. Yeah, I go ahead. No, basically, Sony develops more movies than any other animation studio because most animation

studios have an agreement with their parent company that's like, we have one slot held for you a year. Take a picture of Ben's face right now. And Sony Pictures Animation basically develops like six or seven movies per year. The fade to us, just we all just leave our chairs and the chairs are spinning and we're just still talking about this. The only thing I've never gotten clarification on is. do they take something like k-pop demon hunter and have everyone bid against it and see if someone like netflix is willing to offer more money than sony would or do they only shop it around after big sony has or you know that meme of like the sports bro talking to his girlfriend and the he's got sunglasses on yeah yeah

you know what my daughter's obsessed with right now what uh super kitties you're aware of this on disney plus what are what is what is this different from like dc's league of super pets it's quite very different Do you know about this, Griff? You know about the Super Kitty's? I've seen the thumbnail, sure. Yeah, well, you pretty much got the idea there. I didn't feel the need to look any further into it. Oh, no. Superkitties.

How did you get her back on the Spidey? Well, she still loves Spidey. Let's not forget Spitey. But, no, her BFF, her little pal from school, we went over to his house for a play date. He was like, want to watch some fucking Superkitties. I fucked her up. Yeah, she loves it. Gabby's dollhouse, I think, is a perfect example of, like, they were truly 18 months late on it.

Yeah. If your daughter was born 18 months earlier, she would have been into it, and the movie's a little too late. And even down to, like, Gabby is now, like, 17. Right. She's like, hey. Number five of the box office, it's made $172 million, Griffin. What is it? Conjuring Glass Rights.

I was talking to a friend yesterday about the disappointing box office of Roofman, and he said, but hasn't basically every movie flopped this fall? And I was like, no, they're two humongous hits. Conjuring and Demon Slayer Are both like fucking shattering the backboard It's just that more expected things have been underperforming But there's not a lack of people buying tickets But like the only thing that has underperformed to me

In a shocking way Honestly is nothing because even Tron I'm like That does happen with Tron like it always underwhelms a little bit This is on you for thinking it would do better than this Like I know it was below tracking I hear you but at the same time Like, like, because people are like, well, Tron Legacy made money.

And I'm like, look at Christmas 2010. It was the only offering and even then it underwhelmed. And in our True Grit episode we talk about. We do. Right. True Grit fills the gap. And you're waiting another 15 years. If I were, if I were greenlighting a third Tron film for release in 2025, I would have

been like, this thing has to be under $100 million. Then they say to me, good news. We got Jared Letto and I go, great. It's got to be under $60 million. Yeah. you're not morbis sleeping on better ropes uh number six

a conjuring though I haven't seen it yet I will check it out possibly on HBO Max I might not rush to the theater because I hear it's kind of bad but I do kind of want to fill it in I'm just really interested in like

the you know like that guy with the weird face bought the doll no what are we talking about here guy who died who's the fucking comedian oh Matt Reif

bought the Warren's house I thought he bought the doll no someone else died and was near the doll and everyone was like the house is basically a museum right Matt Rife and his business partner

bought this house Matt Rife is apparently really into the occult and he's made it very clear that he doesn't own the doll or any of the artifacts that what he is bought is the right to be the custodian of the

objects for as long as he is in possession of the house. But the house is basically a national landmark. Or is it the house that was haunted? It's the house they lived in, which is like a museum of all their spooky objects. Namely, Annabelle, who I love to remind people, was in reality a raggedy and all. Yes. It's not a creepy, like, fucking, it's just a regular ass raggedy. Now, don't touch you.

Don't touchy. I'm not saying I'm not scared of the raggedy and all. Keep the case closed. Number six of the box office New this week, of course, is Soul on Fire, Griffin, the William H. Macy true story in which he plays a guy

who helped a kid who had burns. William H. Macy has been showing up in Disney emoji blitz when I have to watch ads to get free spins on the wheel. I thought you were going to say that he had an emoji. I wish.

He should have an agent. I fucking wish. Isn't he like the guy in the Incredibles? No, but he looks like it. And they haven't done that character yet that's a wallachshan i'm like has william macy done any wildhogs if they had wildh okay but do you remember when william h macy played the fucking green lantern villain in the dropout

yeah that's good remember that shit hector hammond when they were like his hairling could be 80% higher on his head i really enjoyed that that show is good yeah i just anytime they cut to him i was like who chose this i keep getting this auto play ad that is william h macy as as a surgeon performing open chest surgery on a body and then talking about some fucking cell phone game what has happened we know the thing go to jail no his no his wife got in trouble he was he was he was free and clear but like I'm sure you know I get it he's I'm even like what is the conversation that leads to like we have a game about like castle demons that like eat berries how do we

promote this, William H. Macy, giving a measured performance as a surgeon. Sounds good. Number seven is the aforementioned Demon Slayer, the latest of those? Now, I know the release of that film is kind of equally split across dubs and subs, I believe. Oh. But there was an argument that it has now surpassed Crouching Tiger. Whoa. Right, right, right. It's kind of a fuzzy stat because some people are watching the American dub version.

But you're like, this is maybe ostensibly the highest grossing, international. film at the domestic box office ever? It's like that's under-discussed. That's crazy. Thank you for discussing it. Did you all see that trailer, that weird trailer that's like two trailers for Chainsaw Man? Yeah, that's also about to fucking overperform, I think.

Very excited for that movie. Ben likes Chainsaw? I've watched the shit out of that show. Shout out to Yoshita for recommending. Demon Slayer to date, the only animated film to make $100 million at the domestic box office. About to obviously be beaten by Zootopia. Bad guys, too, didn't even make it too?

That guy's two fucking... Salt out around, what, 80? Damn. Dog man's the closest and it made it to 95. But yeah, Zootopia 2, that'll write, man. The snake's gonna fucking rock the house. Whatever.

His head is a chainsaw, his hands are also chainsaw. And he's a chainsaw, right? What's it? Doesn't he got a chainsaw dog? Are you kidding? I don't know about this. I'm pretty sure. Ben just bought another ticket?

It has four now? He's gonna lie down in the... He starts pulling up arms. Pulled his own aisle. I'm glad that I know that you're into chainsaw ma'am because I feel like that's a thing that I can buy you in Japan. Oh my God.

Who do you invite me? What do you want, David? Wait, Marie, I might have to send you a little bit of a Japan list. Yeah. Well, I don't do that. Famously, you love getting various merch and stuff. I love stuff. Yeah.

Yeah, what I want in Japan is to, like, sit in some, like, fancy onsen and, like, look out upon, like, trees. This year, you know. Is the 30th anniversary of Toy Story? Is there, like, an exclusive? Oh my god, wait, David just dumped off a roof. Takara has made a collection of dolls that are Woody as

Samurai, Buzz as Ninja, Jesse as Gaisha. Wow. Sounds culturally sensitive. Woody as Ninja. Woody as samurai, please. No, sorry, Woody as... Number eight is the smashing machine. I'm trying to find a way to get this without pain face of tariffs. Whoa, this looks so fucking cool.

Thank you. This is so cool! Look at this It rules, right? It's really well done. Culturally sensitive. I just think this is great. Look at that.

Look at him. He's got a little helmet. It's not for me. David. He's bad and he looks so cute. It's for me. Yes, it's for you. Look at the Jesse one.

Number nine is the Strangers chapter two. A real winning strategy there. Oh my God. Her kimono is cow prints. She can come on in my house. Oh, no. It's a Sparks album title. A Jesse Gaysha?

Look at her. We're saying this about Gisha, Jesse. Sparks album title. Number nine, I said, oh, number 10 is good boy. You know what? I also want to say that you're, she's not, she's not a Gisha. She's just wearing a kimono. Okay. I apologize.

Opening at number 12, Kiss of the Spider Woman, that one kind of. Oh, I want to see that as the only person who, you know, supports all of Jennifer Lopez's Creatively generous. I've seen it. I kind of mixed things about it. I think Diego Luna is quite fantastic in it. And all the buzz out of the festivals was a ton of tyre, I believe is his name, and J-Lo. And I was pretty taken by Diego, who kind of doesn't miss.

Are you watching Andor yet? I'm going to get there. Oh, okay. Why did I remember you saying you wanted to discuss something about Andor? Catherine Hunter? Can't remember. Anyway, Diego Luna, when's he bad? That's what I'm saying.

Yeah. I mean, I can't say I saw... Wow, he hasn't made a lot of movies recently. I guess he was busy fucking making Andor. He directed a couple films, too. I feel like he kind of took a step away from acting until Rogue One. Hmm. He directed like three movies.

He's directing something right now called a mouth full of ash. Okay. A house full of dynamite? That's what you get. That's what you get when you stay in a house full of dynamite. Yeah. David, can I share something with you specifically that I just started watching and I'm now... I'm going to have to watch the whole thing.

More Girls is so good. Ben, what got you on the girls? It was a show that Nellie was obsessed with and she was like, Ben, you've never watched a single episode throw on the pilot. I'm loving this thing. Are you kidding me? It's funny. It's heartfelt. I'm all in.

It's a great, it's the one of the great shows. The parents stink. The parents' I'm going to say something controversial. Marie, don't do this. Do it, Murray. Lauren Graham, like, it's her whole, like, I drink so much coffee, and I, like, talk really fast. Yeah, that's literally what happens in Gilmore Girls. Yeah, and I... I literally can't. I can't. Look, man, as someone who was a huge Gilmore

Girls fan at the time, right, like when it was on the CB and then the CW, this was always the thing. It was always a show that put some people off, kind of auto, put people off. They're talking too fast. I don't like Lauren Graham. You know what I mean? Like, it was always that thing where I'd be like, you know what's secretly kind of the best show on TV, Gilmore Girls? Ah, they talk too much. And And then it became like what it became. It became like a show that everyone agreed on. It was like to my total surprise. Does she stop?

No. She just, she keeps doing it. That's the style of the show. Yeah. It's written 90 pages per episode famously. Yeah. I mean, Lauren Graham, talk to her about it. It's so interesting.

You can see how it haunts her. I think it was the hardest television show to make. Like, because they had to just shoot for such long, like, because the scripts were so crazy. And you can't fuck up those, like, crazy, crazy, like, rat-a-tat-tat, like, dialogue things. And all of those guys are just now starting to do this sort of, like, yeah, maybe we had a good time on Gilmore Girls. But you can tell that they, like, really suffered, like, while they were making it. My mom used to say that we were, like, the Gilmore Girls, because she'd be like,

I had you young and we're best friends. I'm like, you had when you were, like, 27. Which was completely normal in the 1980s, but whatever. Hey, shut out. I love it. Shut up. Sam? Right? Is this diner?

Sam? Luke, okay. The coffee shop. Love that guy. He's the best. Just keep watching, baby. I'm all in. What season are you on?

You're still in season one? I just watched the pilot. Well, then you're going to have a great time. It's only getting better until season seven, which you can avoid that one. But seasons one to six. No, season seven is when they fired Amy Sherman. It's the Dan Harmony, exactly the same as community season four where they're like, we can still do this without the person who wrote all the episodes, right?

And you're like, ooh, this is weird. And they hired Dan Harmon to take over Gilmore. They swapped him. And it was for the exact same fucking reason. It was like, this show's too expensive. You take too long. You know, like, blah, blah, blah. I was going to say, that's,

community is another one where you talk to anyone who worked on it. And they're like, we're really proud of that show. I'm still working through it in therapy. Right, right, right, exactly. And it's like, the product was good. Right. But you, it was really hard to make it. Yeah.

But then you watch the show without the showrunner, and you're like, this is like drinking RC Cola. I'm just like, huh, everyone's here. Connecticut. Yeah. Leaves. Connecticut. Yeah, sure.

And yet, why is this? is off. Did they promote Connecticut to regular? Did they make the opening credits by season seven? Okay. Bonda Shepherd. Because they kept kind of fucking Connecticut over in the negotiations. Yeah. We did. Yeah, we did it. House of Dynamite.

Here at the end of the episode, I have a little bit of business to attend to. Okay. If I may. Yep. Yes. So, Marie is sitting, we all have separate desks. Marie is sitting at the guest desk. Which had for so long gone without a head. Of course, you, David and I have our faces on the

front of our desks. Right. The likeness is done by our good friend Joe Bowen. And Caroline Franke in the Vamps episode drew a little picture of a vampire and taped to the front of the desk. And that was there for a while. Yeah, where's that gone? I don't know. I have it stashed away. Okay. We should still put it somewhere in the desk. Well, in the Museum of Blank Check

that one day will be built. And Matt Reifleman. Our congressional library. Yeah. And Matt Wright Pfizer. And fuck her. It keeps spying houses. And so Joe was really kind. He made us another wood character, but this time of Checky. Actually, two.

There's a little one up there as well. It's a little kind of baby Chequy, Chequy Jr.? Yeah, Chequy Jr. might be coming to an ad read soon. It's so cute. But I actually have a... It sounds like he wouldn't have an annoying voice at all. You'd be, hey, I'm Jackie Jr. That's fun.

What's your business been? So, no, it's okay. I just, I have a little surprise. Ben has a little surprise. La la la la la la la la la la la la la la what wait a second what oh my god What are you serious Ben is handed over Marie is blushing Marie's face has turned entirely we love you Wait I got ahead Marie got ahead

I have oh my god Joe I did not know this is happening Marie gets ahead look at how I look so sassy I look at this I'm like You got your little classic you're giving a little dream works for faced almost. I'm giving a little DreamWorks face. I'm like, hmm, do you really think that, David? Me? Whatever you say, Marie. Yes, you look great. Oh, my God. Okay, wait, so I'll leave it here and then when I'm... When you're, you can activate it. I can activate it. Yeah. So moving full, we'll swap it in. But, uh, yeah, when I, I wanted to make checky and I was like, you know what? I'm going to put in the order for Marie's head as well. It's very thoughtful of you, Ben. Look at my bun. Got the bun.

Bunhead over here. Amy Sherman Pell, you know, Bunheads. And we got a good amount of Marie episodes coming up because we have so many new releases. We're going to have a guest on at least one of them. I think we're planning on an Ellen Mackay special guest. Ela McKay. That's an interesting way to pronounce.

I don't know how you're fucking... Was it George McKay? Is that how you pronounce it? You know what? That's literally why I just did that because he spells it that way. Ellen McKay. Right now, though, there is a plan three episode run. Like, you're going to be on fire and ash is this thing on in the other.

You're going to check if this thing is on. You definitely got to check if this thing is. And you're going to be making no other. I also, we also, you know, the Ramey trailer came out yesterday. You're going to send for him. I haven't watched it yet. Oh, my God. It's, it's, I think it's going to be fun.

I just like fucking Rachel McAdams in the dirt. She's, she's on a beach. Being haunted? Well, she don't really being haunted. Okay. Well, I haven't watched it yet. No, it's, it's, she's the mousy employee of a really shitty younger boss, played by Dillon O'Brien, star of twin-less suit that I haven't seen yet, but here's...

I wasn't a fan of that movie, and people got really mad at me about them, but I like him in it and generally. Yeah, but yeah, he's like her shitty millennial boss. Look, two of these are late December platform releases that we're releasing in 26, but you look at it to 26, here's why we don't do emergency episodes anymore. We have a Cooper. We have a park. We have a Ramey. We have the first new Star Wars movie in seven years. It's back. And we have a Spielberg in a null. Yeah, that's true. God, the summer, baby.

That's just the first six months of year. And don't forget, M. Night Shyamlon coming later, too. Yep. Did you see that he posted that thing on Instagram of his, like, book tour date with Nicholas Sparks and the, like, the line to get the book signed was, like, doubly around the block? He's candy, man. He's like, what do I do next? Nicholas Sparks?

He's making a magic eight ball TV show. Do you see that? With M. Knight. Or, no, Sparks isn't working on this. Just M. No, just M. Yeah, that sounds perfect. Yeah, sure.

Why not? Possibly Gina Prince Spithwood, children bone and blood? Yeah, blood and bone. That might be blood and blood. I think that's 2027 is the plan, but I don't really know. Horizon 2 will sit...

Well, I was about to say that movie is never coming out. Safely on a shelf. I love to repeat. David is confident will come out someday. Monday. And I'm not being, like,

brash about it. It will be purchased at an estate sale. Can I read this headline from page 6. Quote, Furious over Hollywood reporter profile, Kevin Costner, searches for buried treasure

shop's shipwreck show, source. I forgot to say this. You can't count cause out. I forgot to say this in our intro. The lovely people in American Cinemathechick who had us out there for the friend of the fest to introduce a hud sucker proxy.

We sent them a list of a bunch of movies as an options of things we would think about excited at the idea of screening and my big push to them was can you guys get Horizon part two he's been able to play it

at festivals there's it's totally log jammed we've covered him in the past right it might take more infrastructural work but I think if you could get it

there's also a good chance he could show up and we could do it like talk with him right and they said we have already thought of that

and tried and could not do it before this series I just want people to know I made an attempt to figure out a way to get more blankies to see this movie. Griffin himself cannot solve this problem. But I bet you some giant corporation maybe a bunch of Saudis.

Well, the Saudis said no. The Saudis set down. That's the most telling part of that. Maybe some different Saudis. I don't know. Yeah. The thing that's great about Kevin Costner is you start a sentence like that and I go like, where's this metaphor going?

And you get to the end of it and I go, oh, he literally. I think Kozner just on a beach. He just calls his press record, leak the emeralds. Well, first of all, you were miming a cell phone, but I think that's a shell. He's communicating via conk. Hello, Ocean, it's me, Kev. I'm uniting with knuckles on a search for the chaos emeralds. That'd be good.

That'd be good. Speaking of Idriselva. Yeah. That's his defining role. Yeah. What if he plays Amy? What if he's the voice of Amy the headchild? I'm going to be taking the role of Amy in Sonic 3 or four.

How many of those are there? I'm voicing big the cat, a real American. Costner has a history of exploring the sea. Yeah, he does. He played a coast guard. All right. I'm wrapping the Guardian. We're not just reading the New York post-articles.

He fixed the BP oil spill. Or at least throughout a proposal. He didn't make it worse. I'll tell you that much. Probably not. Yeah, I just want to say that my husband asked me what time I'd probably be home today. And I was like, I don't know, three. Yeah.

And he was like, there's no fucking way. And I was like, what time is it? Thank you all for listening. We will announce our schedule with upcoming new releases as well as the new mini-series very soon. So look forward to that. Next week, of course, is Inside Lewin Davis. Yeah, baby. Which I'm excited to record.

We're recording that next week. I've actually been holding myself off from rewatching. Me too. I'm really excited because there is a chance it's my number one. Good ass movie. At times it has been my number one comes. It could happen, but I'm just, my question is just how high is it going to remain with all of these? Can I ask, are you going to do the, please Mr. President, oh, oh, I don't want to, please don't podcast me in outer space.

I have an embarrassment of options next week. That's all I'm going to say. Outer space. Outer space My new bit I do with Asa Erlich Because now he loves Star Wars Is I do my impression of Kylo Ren

But I just say lines from girls That's good And I go like do you like Kylo Ren And then I go Your child Hannah Your child Nothing will stand in all right I miss Kylo Ren

He's a good guy Well No he's got It's debatable He's got good ideas Sure Create an intergalactic Fascist force

Kind of as a tantrum Do everything to win your dead grandpa's love. Be a school shooter. He's not a school shooter. He's a school slasher. And Anakin was worse in that regard. Kylo did that. I thought that was the Anakin thing with the little baby padwongs.

I think I already said it. It just cannot earn him killing children. It is the biggest problem of the movie. Yeah. The moment he starts to kill children off screen, you're just like, nope, I don't buy it. Sorry. Even though you convinced me with the grand evil.

of the dark side. When I saw the re-release, people applauded that moment. Well, that was weird. Everything is weird. Weird. Okay, I guess we're done. Yes.

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