Blank Check with Griffin & David - Brokeback Mountain with Las Culturistas

Episode Date: August 26, 2018

Comedians and the hosts of Las Culturistas podcast (foreverdogproductions.com) Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang join Griffin and David to discuss 2005’s western romance, Brokeback Mountain. Together they examine the careers of Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal, Oscar winners over the years and, of course, erasure. This episode is sponsored by [Away](https://www.awaytravel.com/blank) CODE: BLANK. Go to [TeePublic](https://www.teepublic.com/stores/blank-check) for official Blank Check merch! Also help support Dresser Kittens at [dresser-kittens.myshopify.com/](https://dresser-kittens.myshopify.com/)

I wish I knew how to podcast you. Ain't no rains on this podcast. That's the one I like. That's my choice. We're recording how to podcast you. Ain't no rains on this podcast. That's the one I like. That's my choice. We're recording, to be clear. This podcast grabs ahold of us. Wrong place, wrong time. We're dead.

You're doing it wrong. It's like... We're dead. Yeah, I said non-state life. You have to make it so it's like every word coming out of your mouth had to fight to get out. You know what I mean? It just escaped.

That's one of the original great INDB trivia facts that like some 15 year old clearly was like oh shit I get movies wrote like

Heath Ledger's mouth posture in the movie reflects the fact that he is repressed as a character. Did you write that? I didn't write that

but someone did. They were just like I bet you didn't realize the mouth is a metaphor. Mouth posture. His mouth posture. Was mouth posture what they actually wrote?

I think it was. His mouth posture. That is a very 15-year-old film buff. His mouth posture. See if you can find this. This hot fact. Not seeing any mouth.

Yes, go on. It might have been deleted since you read it. It might have been deleted. Do you know what weirdly my favorite line in this movie is? My favorite line is ain't no rains on this one. I know you already said what your favorite line is.

My favorite line in this movie is when Randy Quaid says, I didn't pay you to have the dog babysit the sheep while you stem the rose. It is quite a poetic term. I have to jump in with my favorite line. Please. Please. Jack Twist.

Jack Nasty. You don't go up there to fish. Early Michelle Williams Slayage. And when we don't talk about the women in this movie, that is erasure. Anna Faris. Erasure. Anna Faris. Erasure.

And especially Anne Hathaway erasure. Linda Cardellini erasure. Linda Cardellini erasure. Kate Mara. Kate Maraway erasure Linda Cardellini erasure Kate Mara Kate Mara erasure we don't talk about the women's slang in this film we've officially blown out all four mics

at record speed you asked for us and you're gonna get us happy we have you you wanted the gay people to talk about the gay film you're gonna get the mics blown out honey

this movie launched Michelle Williams and Anne Hathaway as serious actors 100% Ella Enchanted no Ella Enchanted. No, Ella Enchanted. Okay.

But the problem was that Ella Enchanted, people didn't get it at the time. It was sort of like Rules of the Game where people were angry. They were ripping up their chair. Because Ella Enchanted is all about the Iraq War, right? That's the thing. It was too probing. People weren't ready to deal with our sins. Isn't Ella Enchanted the one where you can just tell

that there's a gun pointed at Anna Hathaway where Disney's like, we signed you to a five-picture deal and you're doing a Disney movie. And they siphoned it off to Miramax. They did, that's right. And they're like, you're going to sing Somebody to Love by Queen and it's going to be a long rendition of it. Yes, I forgot about that. And Ella

Enchanted? Yes, she covers the song and does the whole thing. And it ends with Don't Go Breaking My Heart, right? Doesn't the whole cast come out? It's sick. And you know what? That's something where we need Anne Hathaway erasure. We need it. It's a race one. We can't be remembering Ella Enchanted. It was narrated by Eric Idle.

It's got a weird cast. Carrie Elwes I think is the villain. Yep. Steve Coogan's in it. Did you talk about it when you made a movie with Steve Coogan? The only thing I talked about. You were like, so, Ella En. Steve Coogan's in it. Yes. Did you talk about it when you made a movie with Steve Coogan? The only thing I talked about was him. You were like, so, El Enchanted. Tell me about it.

And, you know, to his, I understand. To Steve's credit? For him, everyone's constantly asking him about that, so it's frustrating.

So he rolled his, he sighed, but he was like, I understand. And I was like, look, I know this is the question, but it really is what

inspired me to become an actor. Please, I would love to get a little look into the insight the process of that character and he was like I'm just so tired you can find all the interviews it's all I've ever talked about

it's weird because he's plays the Mountain in Brokeback Mountain and no one ever asks him about that no one asks him about it because they CGI'd him out and talk about repressed that Mountain didn't say one word

the whole time but it was a great performance exactly it was an early mo-cap triumph yeah by the way that movie mo-cap triumph. By the way, that movie... Mo means mountain. Mountain capture. Steve Coogan

movie will never come out. Really? You think never? I don't know. Was it directed by someone who makes movies? Frank Caracci, director of Click. Yeah, Frank Caracci. Oh, yes, of course. It's never going to come out? It feels relevant. It's about a Rush Limbaugh guy, right? He's playing kind of like a shock jock. It's about a firebrand conservative.

Yeah, right. Like a Don Imus. Don Imus radio host. Who has like a change of heart or something. His, not long loss, but the niece he never knew shows up at his doorstep. Couldn't be daughter? Why was it a daughter? It's a niece.

It's a niece. What do you do in the film? Take one guess are you the stressed out assistant correct and I'm telling you right now that was a full guess do you spill coffee I think

in terms of industry and I look at you and I see your typecast and I get it that was the only thing I could get cast as for like four years. And then I got the ticket and I was like, here we go. Game changer. I'm opening up new. Opening up new stressed out assistants.

Right. And the one job I got afterwards was a new stressed out assistant. Fab. Yeah. Do you spill coffee? I don't. I'm pretty. I got a pretty steady hand in that one.

A pretty steady hand. That's it. Previously I was a spiller. I was a. Yeah. When you're holding the coffee cups there's no coffee in them right I'll tell you what happened

okay at first because you know people complain like oh it's like you know they're holding the cup and it's like they're you know basically holding it sideways

David is pulling back the curtain on of course the famous shot that exists only in the trailer for Kevin Costner's draft day was not in the actual movie like four cups of coffee which I spill a tray of coffee oh my god cut out of the film in the trailer you were cut out of the film entirely day was not in the actual movie. Like four cups of coffee. Which I spill a tray of coffee. Oh my God.

Cut out of the film in the trailer. You were cut out of the film entirely? No, just the coffee spillage. No, I'm in the film. They cut out the coffee spillage. He's in a lot of the film. It's just not the coffee.

Not the coffee. The coffee got cut. But in the trailer. Do you think there was a phone call with the coffee cups? Like, I'm sorry. It's just, there's no room for you in the movie.

In the trailer, my only part is the coffee cup. So then a bunch of people online were like why would they cut in some random shot of some cock spilling oh there it is here we go baby did you find the IMDB comment?

no I found Griffin spilling the coffee oh here we go oh he spilled the coffee cause it was too many cups of coffee I thought it was a good spill food and drink acting is terrible. Well, right. So, well, for that, there was coffee or something.

It was a Friday. Everyone wanted to wrap early and it was the last thing. They'd wrapped all the other actors. So everyone on set was like, no pressure. All right, martini shot. You've been spilling the coffee. But I'm trying to get on a yacht this weekend, you know? Because it was just the one setup.

Yeah. So at first they were like, we're? Because it was just the one setup. So at first they were like, we're going to put weights inside the coffee. They put like little sandbags inside the coffee. So it had the appropriate weight, but then they were too heavy. The fear of putting actual coffee in was... You'd hurt yourself. Stains.

Oh, no. Stains. Oh, right. Then you'd have to like go shower or whatever. Because I think they only had two, maybe three maximum of my outfit and it was like everyone was like we knew this was the only setup

even though your outfit is like a button down in slacks like they can't get 40 of those I know they only had three what studio was it

Lion's Gate we love Lion's Gate we love Lion's Gate sure I was gonna I was gonna say that no locking the gate here we'll open those gates oh baby baby baby you know. Sure. I was going to say that. No locking the gate here. We'll open those gates.

Oh, baby, baby, baby. You know what I learned? I was doing this thing recently where I hadn't done a food scene before. The worst. And everyone's just like, oh, be careful. Like an eating scene? Yeah. And they're like, by the end of this, you're going to be fucking sick.

And you get so cocky and you're like, oh, you're amateurs. I know how to do this. Don't warn me. Right, right. And then by the end of it, I was like, oh, you're amateurs. I know how to do this. Don't warn me. Right, right. And then I was like, and then by the end of it, I was like, oh no. Like, I've nibbled on three, like I would nibble on three little grains of rice each take and then by the end of it, I was like, oh, I ate a whole

3,000 calories. I did a sketch one time which was Michael Phelps after the Olympics, like gorging on McDonald's and they had bought actual McDonald's for me and in the first two takes, I went like went for it. Yeah. And then they were like,

okay, now we're going to do it because there was like, um, you know, we didn't get it because the, the lighting, we need to switch. And I was like,

Oh what? And I ended up eating a sicko amount of McDonald's and it was like, and it was ruined for me like for three or four days. Yeah. Wow. Three or four days before you could go back. It was several hours before I could go back and eat McDonald's again. Yeah. It was really challenging. A couple of days. Yeah. Wow. Three or four days before you could go back. It was several hours before I could go back

and eat McDonald's again. Yeah. It was really challenging a couple of days. Yeah. I think people don't understand the sacrifices we have to make as actors.

Oh, yeah. Truly, though, like, truly terrifying. Harrowing. Being on set is the hardest thing. It's so hard. Wait.

Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers from Let's Go Teresa are here. He's the one that's on sets a lot. Hey, don't turn it into this. Oh, it's been heated. Crossfire.

It's about this. Oh, God. Bowen books. But I have heard that Bowen books. I mean, people say that. Of course. In the business,

the number one thing people know about him and you would know too as a person. People are saying B squared all the time. They're going B squared, baby. GB though.

GB. I mean, they do say GB. GB? David books? He books guests. He's really big into scheduling. saying B squared all the time. GB though. I mean, they do say GB. David books? He books guests. He's really big into scheduling. I like to schedule this podcast. He freaks out a lot about scheduling. Tanties about scheduling.

Tanties? You have gorgeous eyes. Your eye color is absolutely beautiful. I'm a green-eyed sister. Born with blue eyes, though. Same, bitch! I will say this. You know what's true of all babies?

What? Born with blue eyes. Yes, it is. And they change color. There's some pigment of blue. Sure. There's a little blue in there. They either change color immediately

or I will say this. This is a freakish thing. My eyes were blue until I was seven or eight and then they changed to green. Did you have light hair too? I had blonde hair and platinum blonde hair for the first eight years of my

life and then my hair changed to brown and my eyes changed to green and my dick turned to poop. Oh, come on, Matt. Let's talk about it. Can I say something about David's eyes just because I never felt comfortable saying this? I have a scar. I'm always very

concerned. Not just concerned, but I think about my scar a lot. It's well placed. Because, this is part of what I was going to say, you wear eye bags well. I have to wear them well because they ain't going anywhere. It sounds backhanded, but I'm saying they make you look very intense and focused. They don't make you look tired.

On the logo, I look like the bags make me look super hot. And also, even though you have bags, when you look at the bags, maybe your first instinct for the first two milliseconds of looking at it is, oh, his bags. But then you see the eye color and then forget about the bags. It's a bag erasure. Well, see, what I'm saying is I feel like the bags underline the eyes in a really nice way.

They say pay attention to these. I mean, and also the scar, too, so it even, like, maybe further accentuates. Stop talking about the scar. Because the scar also, it works along with the curve of the bag. Yes, yes, it's a curved scar. It looks like it's just accentuation of the bag. When I was a kid, this thing was big. What was I going to say?

Well, that's what happens when you don't sleep at all when you're a teenager, which is how I did this to myself. Did it, baby? Oh, you need to sleep a lot now. No, no, no. I try to sleep now. I mean, I try. What did you stay up doing? Going on Oscar websites

until four in the morning and talking to Americans. That was part of the problem. Talking to Americans? I lived in England. I lived in England. Bowen asked it genuinely. Ben, pause? I lived in England. I lived in England. I thought that was just like a whip. Bowen asked it genuinely.

Ben, pause the record for a second. Okay. David has this big... This is so fucked up. That he's an ex-pat. That he grew up in London. Yes, I grew up in England. Okay.

That was very confusing and hard to follow. They would... Every week I brought it up, they would make fun of me because it was like I was always bringing it up. I'm a dual Canadian citizen. Hey, a double passport holder. I mean, that's cool and interesting and I understand that and I hear you. But with

David, it would come up and then he started complaining that we were reacting too strongly. So we said, let's retire the bit. And then every week he tries to bring it up again. And I said, the bit's retired. The bit is them making fun of me. The bit is me saying, anyway, I grew up in England and so at four in the morning. Get those cards ready saying anyway, I grew up in England and so

at four in the morning. Get those cards ready. Yeah, I grew up in Canada and I will refer back to Canada. Where in Canada? Montreal. I'll tell people I will refer to America as Americans. No, I understand this. Thank you. That makes perfect sense because if you grew up in another country, of course that would inform your relationship

to everything. And so did David. You have just mangled this bit and now it's like a Frankenstein bit. We have like a second bit has emerged from the first bit. Bowen, Canadians are polite people. I'm sure you of all people understand that if a bit's retired, you leave it hanging up in the rafters.

Montreal is its own city. I feel like Montreal is a lovely place. But like Toronto, I always feel like it's like New York, but it's filled with English people. Bojang did not grow up in Montreal. Bojang grew up in Denver, Colorado. He moved here when he was 7 or 8. You don't grow up in the first 7 or 8 years of life.

He's also the cruelest person I've ever met. Wow. It's a razor. I think that David is allowed to... It's part of his cultural tapestry of course is that he grew up

in this wow okay Carol Rattaville well start the podcast over okay anyway thank you

Bowen as a comedian though do you understand how bad it is in terms of form to pull down a retired bitch ask him because he is

connected to his Long Island identity and will not ever shut up about it. I'm not talking about the identity. No one's ever asked me to retire the bit of me being from Long Island because you want to know why? Everyone loves it.

Everyone wants to hear me talk about Long Island and the bagels there and how I talked when I was growing up there. Everyone wants to hear about it. It's in demand. And for you to say that I shouldn't talk about my upbringing is what?

Erasure. Long Island erasure. It's white gay Long Island erasure and we have to stop. I'd like to point out that this entire tangent came out of a compliment about my eyes. Which are beautiful. I'm the only person of color in this room.

For someone else to shout erasure at me is really terrible. I would just like to quickly point out that this is a podcast about filmographies, directors who have massive success early on in their career and have given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. And sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce.

Oh yeah. This is a mini-series on the films of Ang Lee. It is called Broke Pod Mountcast. I don't know what the fuck it's called. I think it's right. We forget every week what it's called. And this now is the titular film. Yeah. His first Academy Award win.

True. For Best Director. First nomination, right? Correct. No, no, no. He was nominated for Crouching Tiger. Crouching Tiger. Crouching Tiger.

That is erasure. That actually is erasure. You have to respect that. I was thinking that he was nominated for Sensibility, which he wasn't. But I forgot about Crouching Tiger. People thought he was going to win for Crouching Tiger. Yeah. He won the Golden Globe.

And then Soderbergh beat out other Soderbergh. Well, you know what? He won for Traffic, right? Versus himself for Aaron Brockovich. I would say that, wow, that's a good year, right? That's a good year. So that had to be what? Ridley Scott and Gladiator?

Ridley Scott. 99, no, 2000. 2000. Yeah, Ridley Scott, Gladiator. And then the fifth one. Let's see if you can pull the fifth one because it's crazy. So two Soderberghs, Ang Lee, Ridley Scott.

And this was 2000. Was it... It wasn't the best picture. This is the missing... This is the lone nominee, right? Oh, how interesting. Like the non-picture nominee. Oh, I was talking about director?

His Lassie Hallstrom probably wasn't nominated, right? No, I think he was. Am I wrong about that? Oh, then I spoiled it. Let me look it up. Is it Cider House Rules? I thought it was Lassie Hallstrom for Chocolat. That's fine. he was. Am I wrong about that? Oh, then I spoiled it. Let me look it up. Is it Cider House Rules? I thought it was Lassie Hallstrom for Chocolat.

That's fine. But now David's making me think that maybe he didn't get it. No, he wasn't nominated because he was nominated for the Cider House Rules the previous year. But no, this is a fifth nominee

from a non-Best Picture nominee. So that was one of, not one of Chocolat's six nominations. Sure. That's insane. That was Harvey Weinstein. That was Harvey Weinstein being like,

look, I know there's a lot of good movies this year, but I'm getting something in there. Swinging his disgusting dick. Yeah, his disgusting, tiny, little, stinky dick. Because he had a track record of 10 years he always got a Best Picture nom. And that, a month before the nominations, everyone was like, what's he going to do?

He doesn't have a movie this year. It's impossible. And then Chocolat Surprise. Chocolat. In 2002, he had four nominees. Can you reveal the fifth nominee? It didn't get nominated for Best Picture. No, I believe it was nominated for Best Screenplay as well and Best Supporting Actress.

Oh, wait. Maybe that might be enough. Best Supporting Actress. Probably should have won Best Supporting Actress. In 2000? That was who? Marsha Gay Harden? That is the Marsha Gay Harden Probably should have won Best Supporting Actress In 2000? So who won? That was who? Marsha Gay Harden? That is the Marsha Gay Harden year

Which you know what? Respect to Marsha I like Marsha Gay It's a weird win That was a surprise Is the person you're saying Should have won the person Who was the front runner?

No the front runner Was Kate Hudson Right Yes it was Right and Cameron Crowe Wasn't nominated No he's not No wait was it the director

of Pollock uh no because that's Ed Harris Ed Harris he was nominated for acting but not for directing oh so you're saying the the best the best supporting I'm saying the best supporting actress nominee from this film of the mystery director was also the director maybe my pick okay oh I know exactly what it is yeah you know Stephen Daldry for Billy Elliot correct oh yeah talking about Julie Walters I. Talking about Julie Walters. I'm talking about Julie Walters. Whatever. Maybe that's a, you know,

a Brit pick over here. No, I think in retrospect that's the best of the five nominees. She's so good. She's very good. I think she's a two-time nominee because she also is nominated for Educating Rita.

I think she's a just... And like, you know, she should have an Oscar. Was she nominated for Little Voice? Am I insane for thinking she was? No, Brenda Blatham was.

She's not in Little Voice wow you are you are Oscar Finn he said he stayed up all night on Oscar message board now this must have been I wasn't up

four in the morning on OscarWatch.com for nothing I got these bags and this bullshit Oscar I mean are you a filmexperience.net

oh for sure I love Nathaniel Nathaniel's been on our podcast Nathaniel's wonderful I love Nathaniel you should have Nathaniel on yeah I'll bring Nathaniel on a fount of knowledge now this I love Nathaniel. Nathaniel's been on our podcast. Nathaniel's wonderful. I love Nathaniel. You should have Nathaniel on. Yeah, I'll bring Nathaniel on. A fount of knowledge.

Now, this is like... Nathaniel currently has some wacky choices on his board. I was looking at his board yesterday. For the first year, because the Oscar season is beginning. It certainly is. You can smell it in the air. You can. You can smell it.

I got my seasonal allergies out. I was looking at a couple of his leaders. You know, it's early. It is early. Wait, who did you see? I think it was... Supporting actor is Sam Elliott leading for A Star is Born, couple of his like leaders on the you know it's early but like wait who did see there was i think it was supporting actor sam elliott leading for the stars born which i am all on board for i have no idea you know what that's gonna be i mean he plays bad dad right he plays bad dad but also bad

manager oh he's a dad man that actually might and there's that one shot in the trailer where he's got cooper's their forehead to forehead, and they're both crying. And I'm like, what's going on here? I have all the faith in the world in that movie. I think it's going to be phenomenal. I mean, I'm so excited for a story. I'm too excited.

And I think it, you know. You're an ally. You're a true ally. I am a true. Beautiful ally. Beautiful ally. What about you, Griffin? Are you an ally?

I'm very excited. Yeah, I mean. I don't know about that. Really? That's a movie you should have been in. Yeah. I auditioned for the Sam Elliott part and they said they went in a different direction.

You auditioned for Noodles and then they cast Dave Chappelle? Yeah. They decided to go older than Bradley Cooper for the role of Bradley Cooper's dad, but I was so close. I came in, I spilled the coffee, I did everything.

I was the second choice for Lady Gaga's part. I heard that. I did hear that. Because I'm a superstar. I did hear that, yes. On the record, this is a segment we do sometimes where we make predictions and for some reason we part. I heard that. I did hear that. Because I'm a superstar. On the record, on the record, this is a segment we do sometimes where we make predictions

and for some reason we call it on the record. You think she's going to win Best Actress? No, I think Cooper's winning Best Actor. I agree with you. And I think his only competition

right now that I can see is Robert Redford. Oh, what's he doing? He's got this movie where he plays an old bank robber called The Old Man and the Gun and he just said he's retiring from acting

and he doesn't have an acting Oscar. I hate that shit. I know, I i know i'm saying i could see some uh sympathetic institutional call it the gold watch award they give you the retirement here's old robbie redford founder of sundance and all that shit and you'll get up and be like i love movies i don't know i think we're gonna see the exact the exact situation also happened in best actress where i think this is like probably Glenn Close's one of her last hurrahs. So that's what

Matt has heard number one. But that movie came out it sank like a brick. Yeah, no one's seen that movie. Have you guys seen that movie? She's good at it. I mean, see, this is the problem. In theory...

In theory, it could build some buzz because it's got a few months here. It's got a runway. And it's Glenn Close. And it's Glenn Close and she's... But she's swung so hard in the past.

Oh, Albert Knobbs. Knobbs is quite a swing. Knobbs. Imagine if Albert Knobbs cameung so hard in the past. Oh, Albert Knobbs. Knobbs is quite a swing. That's right. Imagine if A. Bruce came out now. Calling the shot. Oh, God. I mean, I feel like she's lost a lot of goodwill in my eyes. She...

I mean, I think that everyone understands her as an amazing actress. I just think the snob thing is a hard thing to shake. And she actually has been swinging hard since Fatal Attraction. She's... There was like an interview that she did for Fatal Attraction. There was an interview that she did for Fatal Attraction right before the Oscars. And she flat out is like, I think I should win because I definitely deserve it.

And I think it's hard, even when that's true. We're still talking about that performance. And even when it's true, she lost to, oh, I don't remember, but someone where it was like 87? Maybe not. She lost to Cher., I don't remember. But someone where it was like... 87?

Maybe not. She lost to Cher. She didn't deserve to. Cher deserves it. Cher deserves it. She lost to Cher. You're right. You're right.

But here's the thing. It's hard to, even if you do deserve it, it's hard to shake off the snooty perception. The entitlement thing. When you say something like that. I want to stick up for Glenn Close. Glenn Close is great. There was that one Oscars where she and Donald Sutherland were sitting in a weird ticket booth outside the Oscars and they were like,

here we are at the Oscars. Oh, they were the announcers. And it was so weird. It was so weird. They were the announcers but on camera the crane was over. And they were on the red carpet. And it would be Donald Sutherland and Glenn Close sitting behind a desk and they're like, they didn't. And it would be Donald Sutherland and Glenn Close sitting behind a desk. And they're like, they didn't allow them into the theater. She probably should have won the Oscar the next year for Dangerous Liaisons. Which I actually, I watched a bunch of clips from this last night.

Good movie. Because Dangerous Liaisons, I just never made the connection that that was like the original Cruel Intentions. Sure. It was the original. Talk about high drama and a sleigh. But she lost to Jodie Foster for The Accused. And now I think if you

go to Oscar voters and you say, look, look, in the future you're going to be, in just a couple years, you're going to give her an Oscar for Sons of the Lamb. She's so good. She's so young. It's fine. You're going to have your shot with Jodie. But they wanted to give it to her right there. It's like Hilary Swank. Yeah, I mean, it's like

when someone has two Oscars, think about who has two Oscars. Hilary Swank. Jodi Foster. Yeah. Kate Blanchett. Kate Blanchett. That's true. Kate Blanchett, maybe you don't take one away. Maybe even add one more, but the thing is like I don't know. Notes on a scandal, though.

Notes on a scandal, though. I am a Jennifer Hudson apologist. Oh, yeah. I don't want to take away Hud's Oscar. I just think Notes on Scandal is an incredible performance. And you can't because that would be... I'll say it. Erasure.

Can I just say it? I'd take her Oscar away. She's not that good. Really? That's erasure. I'm going to erase her. You should go to hell. What if you went sideways and gave her best

supporting song? Sure, fine. That's there. We invent a new category. Best supporting song? Best supporting song? I mean, it's a lead song. Best lead song? Wait, for J-Hut or for... Best song in a leading role for J-Hut? They're arguing two things. They're saying that the performance is only... The song is the

only thing good about the movie. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying the lead part. Nothing's good about the movie. I think she's the lead. That movie sucked. Do you know there was a big, because that was a big thing with Beyonce was like, I want to be positioned as lead.

You know what else sucks? That musical sucked. It does not. You are a rager. It's a Motown musical with Broadway show tunes as the songs. There's no Motown songs in it.

Those songs are not Motown songs. Move, move, move. I love you. I love you. Shut up. One Night Only goes into fucking Studio 54 shit. One Night Only is pretty good.

A lot of those songs are big Broadway ballads. You're out of your depth here. Remember when we thought you were an ally? Your eyes are disgusting. Here's some other two-time Oscar holders. We got Betty Davis.

Spencer Tracy. Marlon Brando. I'm not talking about the men. I don't care about the men. Jack Fleming. Denzel. Stop naming men. De Niro.

Jane Fonda. Jane. Coming home, honey. Jessica Lange. Yes, Ms. Lange. Right. Two odd wins. Ms. Lange.

Ms. Lange. That blue sky win is one of the weirder Oscar wins. Yes. Considering she already had an Oscar. And that movie sat on a shelf for like two years. Four years. Four years then at the awards when she accepted, she was like, thank you for finally releasing this.

Clearly it was a good choice. Maggie Smith, two Oscars. Glenda Jackson. Yeah, Olivia de Havilland. Miss Olivia. Miss Olivia. Frances McDormand. New inductee

to the two Oscar Elizabeth Taylor Jodie Foster wait how Elizabeth Taylor Butterfield 8 and Virginia Woolf that's one of those

where they would never have given her the Butterfield 8 if they knew that movie sucks I mean it's not very good did you read the Kathleen Turner interview

with her being like she was garbage in Virginia Woolf yes and I was like relax she's pretty good you don't the Kathleen Turner interview with her being like, she was garbage in Virginia Woolf? Yes! And I was like, relax! She's pretty good. You don't tell Kathleen Turner to relax. I think if I told Kathleen Turner to relax, she would crush it.

She would bite your head off. She would just take her hand on my head and just crush it. No, her hands aren't doing great. She would bite you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Shelly Winters has two Oscars. Shelly.

Shelly has two? Miss Shelly. Diary of Anne Frank and Apache Blue, both supporting. And she should have had an Oscar for holding her breath in the Poseidon Adventure. She got the nomination.

Best breath holding. Yeah, she did. Sally Field, one of the most famous two Oscar holders. I'm a Sally Field stan. The thing that's weird about the Sally Field thing is she won the right Oscar

the first time. Like the second Oscar wasn't like a makeup Oscar. What were her two again? Norma Rae. Norma Rae, which is amazing in that movie. She's so good. And then A Place is in the Heart Oscar the first time. The second Oscar wasn't like a makeup Oscar. What were her two again? Norma Rae, which is amazing in that movie, so good. And then A Place is in the Heart, like five years later, that's the real sort of like... Look, I've said before, I'll say it again.

I think she should have won for Lincoln. I think that was the best. She's great in Lincoln. Who did win that year? That year was... What's 2012? Yeah. So that's the Lincoln Silver Linings Playbook Argo.

It was like a steam roll year where that person was definitely winning. The reason Sally Field won the second time is because it was all other nominees. It was like Sissy Spacek, Vanessa Redgrave, Jessica Lange. People who already had Oscars. It was like Christoph Waltz's second Oscar year where everyone else had already won. That's a ridiculous one for me.

That's a weird one. He shouldn't have to. But that year, every other nominee had also won at least one Oscar. So it was like no one was due. Anne Hathaway. Oh, right. Yeah. Speaking of Brokeback Mountain, I'm glad we're talking Oscars this episode, though, because

this is quite an Oscar movie. Yes. It's one of those Oscars. It remains one of the big Oscar points of contention. They got Talk About Erasure. Talk About Erasure. Excuse me. I'm pretty sure Crash was made by a really intelligent, smart, black director, right?

No, it was made by a white, shitty, ex-Scientologist. No, not ex at the time. No, not ex at the time. That movie came from the mind of an active Scientologist. Yeah, that movie is him going clear on the page. I will never forget. Thank you. I was in England

in England in college sitting on my couch. David, I'm pointing at the raptors. Shut the fuck up. I love this bit. It's retired.

This bit's good, right? So, you know, the Oscars are like, what, like 7 to 11 or whatever, you know, right? Right, right, right. The time?

Not anymore Now they're gonna be from 9.30 to 9.45 Sounds great Right Yeah they'll be like oh and also like Best Cinematography

went to Roger Deakins or something forget about it don't worry about it There'll be four montages in the Popular Film Award and that's the entire telecast But Kimmel gets to do

an hour and a half of bullshit To watch the fucking thing in England you had to stay up till four in the morning like cause it's live and I just remember I'm sitting there

on my couch I'm alone like no one wants to watch the Oscars with me like four in the morning like yeah because it's live and i just remember i'm sitting there on my couch i'm alone like no one wants to watch the oscars with me like four in the morning jack nicholson is nicholson right is presenting best picture and you know only a just won an oscar horrible yeah like it got in screenplay it got um uh score it only won those it didn't win an acting oscar right ridiculous a little ridiculous. And then, crash. I just remember he was like, oh. He looked at it.

And he winced. Yeah, he was like, crash. He looked at it very calmly, then took a beat. Everyone's like, why is he waiting? And then he goes, and the winner is crash. And then like pulled up his fingers like, whoa. Yeah, right, right. That was it.

You know what? And then Ryan Philippe is crying in the audience. Fucking hell. Can I say something about that Oscars? My favorite set ever. that was it you know what and then Ryan Philippe is crying in the audience fucking hell can I say something about that Oscars my favorite set ever it was a really good set it was the giant marquee and Jon Stewart was hosting

was it the second Stewart it was the first that was a very problematic evening because also I have a problem with the fact that when Jake and Heath, rest his soul, came out to announce That was the SAG Awards. Oh, was it the SAG Awards? I know the exact one we were talking about

because people think that cost Heath the Oscar. Wait, what was this? I don't remember this. Here, let me get through this. They came out to announce the film as a nominee for, I guess, Best Cast. And they just chuckled through the whole thing. Like embarrassed that

it was a gay love story. Because they were like it's a gay love story starring us if you can believe. And that was really I do vaguely remember this. I was watching it and I was like why are you apologizing for something and why are you

acting embarrassed about something that you obviously cared about that a lot of people really are moved by and it's a big moment? And honestly, maybe it did cost. I don't know. I think it kind of cost. Well, no.

Because my remembrance of that was that for some reason, Hoffman was just locked very quickly. He was steamrolling, but then that performance came out and people were flipping for it. Yeah. And it kind of felt like maybe he had a chance.

But I think there was just that narrative of Ledger's young, he's so good. That was steamrolling but then that performance came out and people were flipping for it and it kind of felt like maybe he had a chance. I think it was just that narrative of like Ledger's young, he's so good but that was the big thing. And it's not like Hoffman was old but for some reason

everyone just decided like it's a transformation and he's playing a famous person and he's a great actor so this is his year. David, what's that? What's that you're wearing?

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about Jurassic Park 3 the other day yeah also this is a long ad read so please just go buy merch now. Smell you later. I think to answer Matt's question, the reason why they chuckled through that and the reason why the film

was so depoliticized was because it was like 2006. Exactly. Pretty much. It was just the times, and they had to play it down. No one, I was talking about this when I was watching it with my girlfriend. No one would see this movie with me in college. I remember high school people being like, you've seen that twice?

I'm like, yeah, I like cinema. Yeah. Like, girls wouldn't see it with me. Like, you know, the girls I went to the movies with. Like, you know, they were like, oh, yeah, I don't know. You know, like, it's not like they were like, I won't see that. But they were just sort of like, oh, yeah, I don't know. You know, I remember I had to, to like struggle to find someone to see the damn

movie with me I remember Hathaway like going on talk shows and being like I show my tits guys come see it like literally she would do that don't don't even act like for one second that they didn't they didn't tell them someone needs to show their titties both of them were topless in the movie yeah exactly and there's no male nudity because

I mean and you know that was like probably something I had to deal with. Like, let's give something. Yeah, because when Jake and Heath get naked, they both do the Terminator crouch. They're both like fully covering their privates

with their legs. Although I would say the early scene of that is quite effective because he's sort of, you know, there's still like, there's a discomfort.

There's like tension in that scene. It works. I'm just saying you see a total of four tits and zero balls in this one. Yeah, the men are not super sexualized.

Ben just put his head in his hands. Four tits, zero balls. Ben's off mic. So I'm just saying you see a total of four tits and zero balls in this movie. Yeah, the men are not super sexualized. Four tits, zero balls. Ben's off mic, so I'm just shouting him out. They're not super sexualized. That almost does work, though, because it's like the other body is totally unknown to them until it...

Yeah. I think those scenes are... They don't feel particularly gratuitous. No, it doesn't feel shoehorned in or anything. But Brendan Fraser was in Crash and I just like talking about it.

Oh, God. We talked about it on the podcast. I mean, the movie's bad. That movie's bad. It's bad. I went to Dramatic Writing at NYU

and we had one class that was... Thank you so much. Retire the bed. I don't care. Wow. No, this is white gay at NYU Erasure. This is white gay at NYU Erasure.

I'll say we got the pulley system ready to go. I'll put it up in the rafters at your command bar. Yeah. Kill me. I have a memory of like we had this class called like film script analysis where like every week we would be shown a screenplay that was going to teach us something and he like teacher was like uh in order to show you um like causality and screenplay how one thing like can affect the can one how one scene can have drastic effects on another scene and like i don't know

something like that he was like we're gonna watch crash and everyone was like okay and so he showed us and the entire class laughed throughout the movie. Do you remember the scene? I mean, how about... Let's list them all. Did you watch the whole movie? We watched the whole movie. Because that movie is a daisy chain of like, look at the reaction.

Well, it's so proud of itself the whole time and also it's an exercise and these are things that people would never do or say. I mean, like there's a scene where like, I believe it's... I mean, every scene basically is like two people walking down the. I mean, there's a scene where I believe it's... I mean, every scene basically is like two people walking down the street being like, racism's crazy. Well, there's a scene where Sandra Bullock falls down

the stairs and then she's not a racist anymore. It's true. Here's my read on that scene. My read, and I mentioned it on the podcast before, is that her maid cleaned too much because Sandra Bullock was so racist to her and that's why she fell down the stairs. That's how I read it too. I think that was his explicit

intent. Which is insane. For her to hug her at the end. She over cleaned. For her to hug her at the end and be like you're my best friend is also like um what the Do you think the lady's just like oh my god you're just my boss. And also there's like a scene where it's like um there's like

there's a scene with a between a black person and a white person, and the white guy goes, fucking black people, to his face. And I'm like, in what world? And maybe I'm totally blind and deaf to this situation. That would never happen.

But the way it played out, I was just like, this is a bad movie. Bad. And there's also nine climaxes. Yeah. It's horrible. I was just like, this is a bad movie. Bad. And there's also nine climaxes. Yeah. It's horrible. I loved when the child broke the gun, made the gun not work.

Oh, Jesus. Magical. Invisible. Magical. Magic bullet. Yeah. I remember, he's the best performance in that movie. Peña.

He is. He's pretty much the only one who doesn't seem like he is, like, he's the only one who seems like he's playing, like, a vaguely real person. It's the only thing you latch onto emotionally. Tandy Newton also is good in it. She is good in it. She is good. But I remember seeing that because Peña was the unknown guy.

I mean, who the fuck is this? And I still will sometimes on YouTube watch that scene between him and his daughter. Which is a really good piece of acting. That's the only good subplot. Is the Tandy Newton thing when that happens with her and her husband. And Matt Dillon. And Matt Dillon in a totally fine performance nominated

weird that he's the guy who got nominated but that was the thing where they were like oh Matt Dillon you're back like remember you and I was like

can you believe he played a racist what a difficult part to play unbelievable they always seem so impressed when someone plays a racist it blows their mind but Sandra Bullock was

and this was before she'd ever been nominated for an Oscar and she really wanted an Oscar for this nomination at least for this movie before she'd ever been nominated for an Oscar. She really wanted an Oscar for this nomination for this movie. Did she get one? No.

Right, right, right. What was the thing I was going to say? I remember some review of Crash having like a parenthetical in bold letters saying, racism in L.A. is covert, not overt. Which is like what you're saying about the like. No one would say. You black person. Yeah, no, it's just if you look back at the like no one would say you black person yeah no it's just if you look back at the movie it does not hold up at all especially like nowadays when

people are actually having a dialogue right having an actual dialogue about race also the fact that that movie is written by a white person is extremely two white people yeah right and so like i need a second white man in on this one I mean it's truly and also so if you if you look back on it not only does it not hold up like culturally and socially

it's bad and this is why the Oscars are garbage is because the only reason it wins we watch it every year yeah but but they're garbage

and it's fun to actually watch it as the trash that it is sure sorry flaming trash that it is wow so like like it as the trash that it is sure um sorry flaming trash that it is so like like it wins the oscar because it has a large cast right and a lot of people that was that

was an argument right that the acting uh and they would and i truly believe that the largely older white male voting body was like doing whatever they could to not award broke back. I think it goes even further than that. Well, that whole contingency was like, I won't even watch the movie. I don't,

I don't think a lot of people saw it. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of them didn't watch it. Cause I remember even reading like when like, uh, you know, page six,

you know, when like Liz Smith would talk about like running into Tony Curtis. Yeah. And she was like, so what do you think is going to win best picture? And he was like, I won't even watch Brokeback. I think it's disgusting. John Wayne would be ashamed. Yeah. My favorite movie of the year. That was a big thing. That was like a dog whistle. John Wayne. What would John Wayne say? Right. And then his

follow-up was, my favorite movie of the year was Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. Really? I remember Tony Curtis saying I won't even watch Brokeback. My best picture is Harry Potter 4. Inarguably the worst one. I would say absolutely the worst because it was the best book.

It's the best book. It's the worst. Because the Columbus movies are not terrific. No offense to Chris Columbus. They're for kids. They're for kids. They're for kids. The fourth one's just kind of bad.

Right? That's kind of bad. Right? That's kind of my... Mike Newell. Mike Newell. Who's out of his element. Out of his depth. But you know, I just watched the Guernsey fucking potato peel movie and he nailed it. That's a Newell?

That's a Newell. I didn't know that was a Newell. That's a Newell joint. So we're an hour in. Let's start talking about... So after we talked about Crash for a while, we just had to... We had to talk about it. We did have to talk about it it we did have to talk about it

we had to talk about it but this movie is Brokeback Mountain let's get some context I want to start with context give me a little context well have you read the book

I mean the short story by E. Annie Proulx it's E. Annie Proulx yeah I didn't know she had I read it in most people would just call her Annie Annie Proulx

Edna Ann Proulx Edna I read it in college. I also had read it. Such a beautifully written story. She is an incredible writer. And I sometimes struggle with her novels because they go on and fucking on.

Like The Shipping News, which is a great book for like 200 pages. And then you're like, I get it. It's life stuff in Newfoundland. Every page is such beautiful prose, but I don't need to hear about that. Or life stuff in Newfoundland like you know you still like eventually every page is such beautiful prose but like I don't need to hear about that life stuff in Newfoundland

life stuff in Newfoundland her short stories usually are like her short stories are wonderful cause like and this is such a beautiful little like I mean the shirt it ends on the shirt you're crying so beautiful so I knew about this short story before and I guess and

Gus Van Sant yeah I heard about this short story before and I guess and Gus Van Sant yeah I heard about that forever was trying to make it was always trying to make it with Matt Damon and fucking Sean Penn and then they offered it to

and they also considered Mr. Wahlberg Joaquin Phoenix was also in the mix for Jack and yes then Mark Wahlberg says he says that he was offered

the NSW and he says and he's quoted as saying, I read it and I thought, eh, the spitting in the hand stuff, eh. Well, great. The fact that his movie

is being pummeled at the box office right now by crazy rich Asians is retribution. I don't think we're going to get Mile 23. I think that's officially. What about like a prequel,

Mile 21? Mile 21 I would see. I don't, here's the thing. My friend and I, who we go see all the shitty Mark Wahlberg movies together, we were like, the fact that we cannot be bothered to even consider

seeing that. Who cares? What is it? Because the premise is, he's a guy who- He's option three. He's option three. It's diplomacy,

I can't remember, But I watch that trailer and I go, give me the hook. When does the hook come in? But also, he's a robot? What's the other fucking thing here? Wait, is he a robot? No, he's not.

I'm saying there has to be some other thing. He's just a guy who solves things. Also, what is Mile 22? I don't know. It's a terrible title. Is it like a marathon? Like you're near the end of it? Have you seen those?

I don't know. I just don't get it. Have you seen those videos that Pete Berg put on Instagram from the editing room? No. Where his editor is yelling at him? Okay. When he was editing. is yelling at him. Okay. When he was yelling at Berg.

Yeah. When he was editing mile 22, he kept on taking videos of his editor. He's the Omarosa of the studio of the cinema, the cinema leaking, leaking. He's a leaker. He's a leaker and a flipper.

And he was posting these videos and erasure wrist. Yeah. His editor who's like edited all the, the recent Pete Berg like American tragedy Mark Wahlberg's the one man who can stop it

movies is like are you fucking everyone said fucking Lone Survivor you watch it you know exactly where you are

at every goddamn moment it's crystal clear and Pete Berg's like I'm saying I don't know where I am wow I don't think people said that about Lone Survivor

this guy while wearing a hockey jersey and swinging around a baseball bat in an editing room being filmed by his director. That's beautiful, actually. It's really good. You should go into it. Do you know who was originally attached to Star in Mile 22?

Ronda Rousey. What? Sounds much more interesting. Isn't that bizarre? I guarantee it's a better movie with her in it. No question. You know what? It's that they're taking someone to an airplane that's 22 miles away. Who cares? That's called JFK.

When you go there, to JFK airport, that's what happens. You have to walk 22 miles to get to where you're going. It's the only option. People don't realize that. I should be in that film. When people talk New York versus LA, that's the biggest thing they don't talk about is you must walk to JFK.

You have to walk. It's the only way. It doesn't matter where you are. In the Bronx, you have to walk. That's what we do in New York. We walk. We walk. All right, so Gus Van Sant tried to make it.

And I guess I'm trying to figure out why he couldn't. I mean, well, so there's also... No, this is... We know this. He felt he couldn't make the movie without A-list talent. All A-list talent was saying

no. Here's the Matt Damon quote, which, again, talk about two actors who get quoted too much. I love a Matt Damon quote! Gus, I did a gay movie. Take out our knives and forks. He's talking about the talent of Mr. Ripley. Then I did a cowboy movie

which is all the pretty horses I can't follow it up with a gay cowboy movie of course that's a rule in Hollywood actually you can't do the combination of your last two roles typecast couldn't possibly do a script that's better than both of those

but talented Mr. Ripley is good talented Mr. Ripley is really good. Despite being a Weinstein movie. And so Ghost Man Sant shifts over to making Milk. And that takes him a while too. But that becomes his eventual big Oscar project. But Joel Schumacher

Yes! He has the dry ice machines. Thank you Joel. And the black light and the neon is attached I don't know what that movie looks like but he is briefly like in the mix

it's the same thing but with nipple suits amen would have been good and Alicia and Alicia Silverstone in the Anne Hathaway part this could have been

a moment where Alicia Silverstone or in the Michelle Williams role like just catching them like would have been great you're right because I'd rather see Alicia

in the part where she has more restraint and I don't think she would do a great southern accent like the Dallas twang. She does a southern accent in Beauty Shop and I remember it being stupid. She's not great in Beauty Shop.

I believe she's the one who says for your FYI I laughed in the theater. I will say that. Hey, that's a razor. I believe she's the one who says, for your FYI. Queen Latifah. For your FYI. I laughed in the theater. For your FYI. For your FYI. I like that.

It was funny. John Mon Hunsu, right? Isn't John Mon Hunsu in it? John Mon Hunsu says shout out to Africa at one point in the movie. Kevin Bacon's in it. Kevin Bacon plays

an evil German hairdresser. He's the villain. Kevin Bacon's the heel of what we have to see in Beauty Shop. We have to see that. It's from the director of Honey. The movie where Jessica Alba

teaches hip hop down at the center. Who else is in it? Queen Latifah? The center. Down at the center. That's what she says. I teach hip hop down at the center. No, that was my favorite line in the trailer.

She says down at the center and the kid goes, the center. The center. And then she's like, it's easy. And then they do like incredibly elaborate choreographed dance.

Was it even Beauty Shop after her iconic turn in Barbershop where she said, let's all say it together, who drank my apple juice? I watched the original Barbershop a week ago. That movie fucks.

It says, do not drink me. So good. So good. Because Beauty Shop, I believe, there's like a backdoor pilot aspect to Barbershop 2

where Queen Latifah's in it and then she's like, I'm going to go start a beauty shop in Atlanta or something. I'll see you later. To the beauty shop. She goes to Atlanta because like Beauty Shop is a very Atlanta movie.

It's a much more southern movie. But in the first one, Andy McDowell was in it. In Barbershop 2, I believe she is next door. And then she moves. Her one scene in Beauty Shop is

in Barbershop 2 is that she gets into a fight with Cedric the Entertainer at a barbecue. Sure. And they roast each other. Wow. I don't want to like

Academy Award winner Octavia Spencer, isn't it? I'm not like going to get like sit here and like, you know, beg for allyship. But I just want to state quickly since it came up

this is going to be one of the worst things you've ever said on the podcast I do want to just state quickly we know a lot of powerful people I walked through a snowstorm to go see Honey opening night in theater in high school

the gayest part about it is walking through the snowstorm I think welcome to the In high school. In 2003. The gayest part about it is walking through the snowstorm. Oh, yeah. I think... Welcome. Right? Thank you. Welcome to the other. Yeah, it was the one guy

in a group of seven girls. The fact that you guys can quote Beauty Shop back is wonderful. I love Beauty Shop. I wrote a terrible essay on Beauty Shop. Yeah, we're not going to talk about that.

We're never going to talk about it ever again. So anyway, so Joel Schumacher... So at some point, Ang Lee had... He was aware point, Ang Lee, he was aware of this short story, he was aware of this project, and he asks

James Seamus, his buddy James, who's in charge of Focus Features, like, did anyone ever make that? Like, is that, what's the deal with Brokeback Mountain? I think everyone knew that this was kind of like, if someone can get this made, this is going to be a watershed movie. And they could never get off the ground because

all actors were, as you said, too afraid. Right, you need money to make this thing. You couldn't make it for just a couple million dollars. So, Seamus is like, no, and Ang Lee, who had been considering retiring after Hulk, I should say,

which broke him he was like alright well let's do that yeah I mean it's tough to make a masterpiece I understand there's a part of you that like you make your magnum opus Hulk bounds off into Costa Rica and you just want to leave it all behind

so now let's talk about these two boys Heath, what's Heath doing? Heath was kind of in a fallow period now I think he was he had sort of been tipped to be the Heath was kind of in a fallow period now because it felt like he had sort of been tipped to be the guy. He was in a huge fallow period. I forgot about this. Because he's doing like the, what's it called? The Order of the Right? Here's what we got. We got

his big breakout, his 10 things, right? Right. After he did Roar on Fox. Yeah, he did Roar. Pay respect to Roar on Fox. No, I'm not going to. Then he's in the Patriot. We forget he's Mel Gibson's son right and that was supposed

to be a big kind of like okay here's a torch passing then in 2001 he has a great year he's got Night's Tale which is a blast

big vehicle and then Monsters Ball which he's genuinely good at he's the best performance in the movie he shoots himself in the chest like 20 minutes in

and also in that year Josie and the Pussycats when they get into the subliminal messaging one of And also in that year, Josie and the Pussycats, when they get into the subliminal messaging, one of the messages you hear that they're playing underneath the music is, Heath Ledger's the new Matt Damon. Sure. It's very clear that was the sentiment at the time.

Like, here he is, he's the guy. And I remember the time when A Knight's Tale came out, people were like, this is weird. Lords of Dogtown, too. That's coming up. That's coming up, right. So then 2002, he makes the Four Feathers. Massive bomb.

Oh, yeah. Big epic war. Kane Hudson. Colonial war. And Wes Bentley. It was the three people who were supposed to be

the new big movie stars. That's right. Face plant. Then he makes Ned Kelly, which is like an Australian epic. Right. Remember with Orlando Bloom. And Naomi Watts

because then he was dating Naomi Watts for a while. Then he makes The Order. I don't even remember what is that? that's the one I was trying to remember Brian Heldgeland? that's a weird like religious oh it's like an exorcist

kind of movie he's a priest thriller but that felt like when it was like oh he's making like Romanian like Screen Gems movies

it was kind of like is that what he's already like saying to but then in his 2005 we've got Brokeback Brokeback we got Lords of Dogtown

which he's great at which he's kind of like a supporting role in that yeah he's sort of like the old skater it's very James Franco five we've got Brokeback Brokeback Brokeback we got Lords of Dogtown which is great which is kind of like a supporting role in that yeah he's sort of like the old skater it's very James Franco in Spring Break sure

I would have given him a best supporting actor well he's already getting a lead actor I would have put him in both categories he's in the Brothers Grimm with Matt Damon

yes this year which is not bad it's weird it's weird and then Casanova as well don't forget the Casanova biopic

right Disney's big Casanova film that one Don't forget the Casanova biopic. Right. Disney's big Casanova film. That one is bad. That's Lassie Hellstrom. Yes. And then so, yeah. So now it's like he's all of a sudden back. He does, I'm not there in 2007.

He does The Dark Knight in 2008 and that's that. Yeah. And then he dies. Yeah. And everything else is possible. Well, just one. Just Parnassus. I feel like there was one other movie he was in yeah that's crazy

that's it it's really fucking tragic it's still it's still yeah it's so it goes without saying but it's still so sad

because you really just saw the depth of his talent with I think there's Brokeback Mountain and well he's good in all this shit

but for me it's like there's Brokeback Mountain and there's The Dark Knight and like and then you go like this guy could do literally and then

with those two it's like crazy you just imagine everything in between and then you never get to see any of that I think he's really good

in I'm Not There actually I do too I like that part of that movie that movie is difficult he's maybe my favorite performance in that movie in terms of showcase like I'm here,

like, performances, you'd be happy with just one of The Dark Knight and Brokeback Man in your career. To have both of those, like, those are two iconic, like, mammoth performances. And the other thing is,

it's, like, one of those, like, really heartbreaking what-ifs where you go, like, what would he have spent the Dark Knight capital on? Right. Yeah, right. Like if he was alive

when that movie came out, he could have done anything. He could have done anything made. Anything. I've always argued he would have won the Oscar either way. Because everyone else is like,

oh, he died. Everyone says, calls it all posthumous. You know, that was by far the best performance in film that year. By far.

Yeah. And then we got J.K. Gyllenhaal. J.K. Who I had seen on the London stage. And then we got Jakey Gyllenhaal. Jakey. Who I had seen on the London stage in This Is Our Youth. Oh, wow.

With Hayden Christensen and Anna Paquin. All this is going to have to be cut out. I don't understand why you're even saying these things. Ben's going to have to

take a fucking knife to this episode. I mean, he's Hollywood royalty. His dad's a director and cinematographer. Stephen Gyllenhaal, right? His dad's a director and cinematographer Stephen Gyllenhaal right his dad's a director his mother's a screenwriter

Naomi Foner who wrote Running on Empty yeah Stephen Gyllenhaal that's his dad and he's in October Sky which he's so cute in

City Slickers he's a cutie wow forgetting I'm forgetting his child roles but yes he is in of course Donnie Darko Donnie Darko

Bubble Boy Bubble Boy Bubble Boy yes which like. Donnie Reese. Bubble Boy. Yes. Which like, let me just say just quickly before we- Marley Shelton Fish. Oh, yeah. That movie's good.

Movie is weird. Bubble Boy is good. Bubble Boy is really good. Can I just say before we move on? I like got Donnie Darko. Do you know what I'm saying? Oh, boy. Totally, dude.

Like I didn't like watch it. I like saw it. You know what I'm saying? Like I really saw it for what it was. Here's my impression of Jake Gyllenhaal at this time, is that he was just so cute. So cute. In The Good Girl, he plays a guy who's just kind of gorgeous.

He's an idiot, but you're just like, oh, I like Jake Gyllenhaal, though. What a face. Moonlight Mile, Day After Tomorrow. Moonlight Mile, Ellen Pompeo, first film. First film? She was discovered at a bar. Right. Moonlight Mile, Ellen Pompeo, first film, first film. She was discovered at a bar.

Yes. Is that one of the many movies where she's like dead and mostly off screen or is she like in that one? No, she's the one he falls in love with. She's essentially

the manic pixie dream girl. Right, right. Love Ellen Pompeo. Can I sidebar just because I know you're two of the only people I could have this conversation with. David's angry

because we still haven't gotten to the plot of Brokeback. No, it's five hours of the episode. Well, he can relax. It's a razor. I haven't gotten to the plot of Brokeback. No, it's for five hours of the episode. Well, he can relax. It's a razor. I was such a big fan of Ellen Pompeo's film career. Yeah, Ellen Pompeo could have been... What was it?

Old school? She's really good in old school in a thankless role. Like, it was just like, oh, clearly this is a really good actress because she's making something out of it. Right, right. Then she had a couple things where she was cut out of. She's cut out of Daredevil and Eternal Sunshine. She was, of course, in... She was cut out of it. Then she had a couple things where she was cut out of. She's cut out of Daredevil and Eternal Sunshine. She was cut out of Eternal Sunshine. She was cut out of Eternal Sunshine.

Who did she play? She played Jim Carrey's new girlfriend. They reference her. They talk about Naomi. Like, how's Naomi? Oh, and of course. She's got like 15 minutes

of deleted. Catch me if you can. Catch me if you can. Yes, you're right. She had a promising beginning. She was working with big people. And then she's in Life of the Party in 2005, and that's it.

I'm crushed. She hasn't done another movie since. She's literally not made a movie. Yeah. I'm crushed to find out that she was cut out of Eternal Sunshine. Yeah. It's rough.

I'm sorry. Okay. Great. Wow. She's even directed two episodes of Grey's Anatomy. She's talented. She's fine. $30 million a year on Grey's Anatomy.

But the thing is, though, and also, I don't know how she is now i haven't seen her in years but underrated good on that show i mean like that show does not succeed without a good you know meredith's the worst part of gray's anatomy no the reason they say that is actually really sexist because mer because meredith gray is not like a character in the beginning that you're like wow we love her she's like a weird anti-heroine she's the other woman in a relationship you find out she is a mess she is like mean to her like mother and you you don't really understand why in the beginning she's like

not necessarily like super likable plays it truthfully too and she doesn't shy away from it because she's good she's good and her personality off screen too i don't know if you read that like pretty famous interview she did like a year ago unbelievable yeah i mean just you know and she says in it she's like look i'm gonna get my fucking money for this show because i've given up a film career for this she does say that like i've been on the show for so long by the time this ends i'm not gonna be desirable exactly and she knows it's not going to happen for her now so she stays and stays

and stays in order to make the money that she can to produce but I just read that and I'm like Jesus Christ like I hope Mike White

is out there someone's like typing the fucking Mike White would do something great with her retirement from Grey's Anatomy role yeah

Mike White the writer of The Good Girl which Jake Gyllenhaal okay so here are the two big Jake Gyllenhaal things then Day After Tomorrow Then Day After Tomorrow. 2004, Day After Tomorrow was a big hit. You can't give him

any credit for that being a hit, but I do feel like Hollywood is like, oh, he was like the lead, the young lead of a big hit movie. They were trying very hard. They were trying. He was the cover of Entertainment Weekly. Do you remember this cover? He's terrible in that movie. Yes, I do. Where it's him with the water everywhere and it's like a storm is brewing. Jake Gyllenhaal, the hottest new star. He was hot. He was hot.

And then the other big thing that happened with him, you know what I'm going to bring up, right? Oh, you mean the Spider-Man thing? Gay rumors. Well, we'll get to that. Austin Nichols gay rumors. Sitting courtside at the Lakers game whispering each other's ears. You talking toothy tile? No, you call him

John from Cincinnati. Put some respect on that. I'll call him toothy tile. It's Austin Nichols Erasure. 2002. Spider-Man blows up. Yeah. Tobey Maguire asked for a big pay raise.

Says he had a back injury on Seabiscuit. Oh, wow. Won't come back and do the movie unless they give him $20 million. coming out

for injured back actors. Right? Because I ain't asking for... Well, no, I probably won't. This is all true, though. Yeah. Don't negotiate with Amazon in public. Right. They're in pre-production on Spider-Man 2. Yeah, no, I probably won't. This is all true, though. Don't negotiate with Amazon in public.

Right. They're in pre-production on Spider-Man 2. Yeah, shouldn't do that in public. Yeah. All I want is free shipping, and then I'll come back and do seven more seasons. Sony calls Maguire's bluff and says, cool, and starts negotiations with Jake Gyllenhaal

to take over Spider-Man. Who was Kirsten dunst's other boyfriend they actually like hall they're like we're gonna fuck you we don't need you yeah he's in a suit most of the time anyway who gives a shit so this is like early 2003 they were like look he's ready to be spider-man right which even though he doesn't do it i think it positions him in a way in hollywood where they're like well clearly he's like a major leading man. Even though he kind of hasn't had like... The thing about Gyllenhaal is he's bad in those sort of bland leading man roles. He's great as a character. I totally disagree.

Really? You like bland Gyllenhaal? Wow, you're a Prince of Persia? No, not that. Because that's a razor. That is a razor, 100%. That's a video game movie razor. I don't see any movie like that but like I would argue

that's a Mike Newell I would argue that's a Mike Newell sorry I'm sorry go ahead you should be really sorry because when you talk over me it's erasure

I think he's really good in Love and Other Drugs barf fuck you I hate that movie go fuck yourself in your own ass you know I did forget though the eyes are disgusting they're like shit I hate that movie. Go fuck yourself in your own ass. You know, I did forget though

that The eyes are disgusting like shit. I forgot that he and Ann like, they were just like, let's do it again. Let's make a

They had great chemistry. She's amazing in that movie. drama about pharmaceuticals. It's a sex comedy drama, you fucking asshole. When she did press for that, I remember her saying, it's like every time

I do a movie with Jake, there's an ejector button on my bra. She made this joke about how she only does like topless scenes with Jake Gyllenhaal. I swear to God. That's funny. She said that on like Oprah.

I thought it was funny. Because he's gay. Because he feels comfortable around him. He's not a threat. Because he's gay. And it's fine. And it's fine. It's fine.

It's fine, Jake. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. I was going to say, but Jake Gyllenhaal and Anna Hathaway. That movie's just weird because the first hour

of that movie you can tell that David's a journalist because he doesn't want to weigh in on yeah he understands slander lots of times

is that it's fine it's fine it would be fine if a person was gay can I say that look at how much he's couching

but what about what if it was Jake let me check this the first hour of Love and Other Drugs and I saw this on Thanksgiving with my mother

because we were bored which is the worst circumstance in which to see Love and Other Drugs I just remember the first hour is like they're like

God it's so great to have sex with each other there's like no plot they're just like in bed the whole time and then she's like also I have like a disease and I'm like a

pharmaceutical drug runner and he's like oh man like that a disease and I'm a pharmaceutical drug runner. And he's like, oh man. It takes this insane turn halfway through. Do you remember the controversy in that movie where someone... Josh Gad is fucking terrible in that movie. He is horrible.

He plays the disgusting brother who's like a little... He walks in on them boning and then is jacking off to the thought of his brother boning Anne Hathaway and it's played for laughs and you're like, no, this is like really sick. Inappropriate. I don't mean that. It's totally inappropriate.

You're kind of like, wow. I will say this. Josh Gad isn't bad in it. The part that's written for Josh Gad is terrible, disgusting, and reductive and Josh Gad was getting a check. He's played that a few times,

the gross guy. Yes. Do you remember there was a thing where someone bootlegged the movie and put it out from test screenings, and they were like, I think you can see Jake Gyllenhaal's dick. But it was really Pauline Chataway, and people were going crazy about it. He's hung like a bull moose, and they realized it was the leg of a chair behind him. But people were going crazy about like, you hung like a bull moose and they realized it was the leg of a chair.

Right. Behind him. But people were going insane about how big his dick was. A flesh colored chair. Because it was just like, it was the silhouette of the thing and they were like, no, that's like the nightstand table behind him

or whatever it was. Yeah. Well, them saying that is actually leg of a chair. That's actually, because you're not giving credit. This is the 20th beat of this fucking bit and you have to have a lot of guts. If you tell me I have to have to let it go

so Bono you kind of that's erasure I mean you teed him off for that you teed him off after this same year this

he does Jarhead oh yeah Jarhead he's good in Jarhead that's an underrated movie I think he's good in Jarhead I will say though

he's a great gay actor David don't you agree? He was in Rendition? Every time you ask me, I'll just bring up another. With Reese Witherspoon, his girlfriend. Oh, yes. Did they date?

Oh, yeah. They like her. Oh, he also dated Taylor Swift. Noted beard Taylor Swift. I will say something about that. I believe I've talked about this. Have I talked about this on the podcast, Griffin? What? She's a beard. I'm just going to say, I'm going something about that. I believe I've talked about this. Have I talked about this on the podcast, Griffin? What?

She's a beer. I'm just going to say this. I used to live. Griffin, just put the hand up. Don't say it. No, because I'm angry at him. In England. No, no, no.

In America. In New York City. In Brooklyn, New York. Park Slope, where their apartment is. I used to live. Oh, I do know this. Two doors down from Maggie Gyllenhaal. That's correct.

And I was there when Jake brought Taylor by. And they went to Gorilla Coffee famously and were photographed together. And how many paparazzis

were outside every step of the way? Did you see the famous scarf? Uh, yes. No, I just it was literally like everyone on the block was like Jake, Taylor, Maggie.

Yeah. Um, there were not a lot of paparazzis on my block. I think they were. Interesting. We have beef with Matt and I have beef with Maggie, by the way. Really? Jay Taylor Maggie yeah there were not a lot of paparazzis on my block I think they were interesting we have beef with Matt and I have beef

with Maggie by the way really we did press room for her at Vulture Fest this year she was one of the few people who did not want to come in

wouldn't even sit wouldn't even sit interesting what was her it's like a half joke bit because it was like she was probably

tired she must have been tired or whatever she didn't want to do like the video portion of like the interview thing but she went into the photo studio

and did that but then we were I mean we were going to do like an interview with her and she said no. I don't take it personally. I do. But it's fine.

Anyway. Look it sounds like you got a little baggage. It was fun to say we were in a feud with Maggie Jill. It was good. No you got some

Maggie baggage. There's a Jill and Hall family baggage. Do you know what's a good thing to do with baggage, David? I'm sitting on the stoop. What? I'm trying to keep this show moving. Yeah, please.

You know what's a good thing to do with baggage? Oh, fuck. Sorry, let me get this piece of paper out. This is a live read, y'all. It's a live read. What's a good thing to do with baggage, Jake Griffin? Whatever. I don't know.

What the fuck is happening here? Sorry. Here I am. Pack it up, David. I don't know. What the fuck is happening here? Sorry. Here I am. Pack it up, David. Yep. Pack it up. Carry it with you. Okay.

Like in a, like in a suitcase. A suit, a suited case. Yes. Luggage. Do they call them suitcases? Could you put your suit in them? I think that was the original idea. Is that the idea?

Yes. Look, David. I think that was the original idea. Is that the idea? Yes. Look, David, sometimes emotional baggage, physical baggage, psychological baggage, you just need a safe, secure, stylish way to store it. David, you recently got a suitcase from Away. Okay, so.

You claimed it. I put in my request and they said, no, we're only giving you one. And David had already napped. And the reason for that is that I always answer everyone's emails. And you're always, so they're always like, oh, well, David will take it. And I'll take that hit. Right? Right. Sure, yeah. Alright, so this suitcase shows up at my doorstep. Uh-huh.

I just knew that there was a suitcase. Like, that's a way who are sponsoring the show today, that they make suitcases. I'm looking at this thing, it looks like a very nicely made... And you're like, a suitcase in a box? Just send me the suitcase! Right away, you're like, blown. Yeah. No, no send me the suitcase. Right away, you're like blown. And I'm looking at it, I'm like, this looks great.

It's a suitcase. Then I realize it's got a battery inside it. Okay, so this is crazy. I didn't know this until I got the suitcase. Because that's the worst, is when your phone starts dying right before you get on a flight. This just happened to me. Literally. I flew to Alaska.

To your episodes of La Culturistas that you have saved. You can't listen to La Culturistas and its erasure. That is erasure. I flew to Alaska. To your episodes of La Culturistas that you have saved. You can't listen to La Culturistas. That's erasure. That is erasure. I erased the S. There's two of you. It has to be plural. That's true. Goddamn right. Goddamn right. Hashtag the two Culturistas. People, they've got old problems.

Like, you know, sticky wheels or whatever. The old suitcase problems. They have new suitcase problems. Like, their cell phone runs out of battery. And this has got it all. It's one of those you know, it's like a hard shell and you can kind of like glide it around. It's got those weird wheels that go all the way around. 360. Quick pitch. What do you say this is?

I'm a great pitch man. What do you say this is first class luggage at a Coach Price? Yes! You kind of rushed through that, but it is first class luggage at a Coach Price. And much like the classic Bruce Beresford, Eddie Murphy movie, Mr. Church was inspired by a coach price. Look, and much like the classic Bruce Beresford, Eddie Murphy movie, Mr. Church, was inspired by a true friendship, a way

is inspired by true travel stories. Yes. They ask thousands of people how they pack, why they travel, what bugs them most about their luggage. It's like problem solving. You can get the carry-on, which is what I got, which I love because I like knowing my suitcase will fit. But you can like plug in a USB cord. You got a hundred day trial. Look-on, which is what I got, which I love because I like knowing my suitcase will fit. But you can plug in a USB cord.

You got a 100-day trial. Look, David, this is the point. Are you shipping anywhere in the lower 48? So not in Alaska where I just went. I got to tell you this. I was in Alaska. For $20 off a suitcase, you visit awaytravel.com backslash blank. So you leave the blank?

No, you type it out. B-L-A-N--k and use promo code blank during checkout uh so you're now joining us hour five our broke back episode um so the movie starts for an ad read that was short just to be clear that was long no not for us that was long that was like tiffany haddish getting to a punchline at the vmas oh Wow. That was fucking long, dude. Matt is really I'm savage, bitch. Spilling. He's spilling. I'm savage.

I'm spilling. Good ally. Spilling the what? You are a good ally. Spilling the what? The tea. Thank you, babe. You are so

your eyes are beautiful. Thank you. I think you're starting to realize like which way the wind is blowing here, right? A hundred percent. Honey, honey, call it a twister. Call it a Helen Hunt because the wind is blowing fast, honey. 100%. Honey, call it a twister. Yeah. Call it a Helen Hunt

because the wind is blowing fast, honey, right in your direction. Thank you. Bill Paxton has his hands on his hips. Call you Wauketa, Oklahoma, bitch because the wind is blowing your way. Oh, shit. Is that insensitive?

Who cares? I'll take it. Here's a thing I had forgotten about this movie, not having seen it in years, but I think I probably saw it like three times when it came out. Brokeback Mountain. Yeah.

Twister? That's a twister three times when it came out. Brokeback Mountain. Yeah. Twister? I saw Twister five times when it came out. Yeah. There's fully like 45 minutes on the mountain. Yeah. Sure.

Yeah. You mean the opening chunk? Yeah. I just forgot. The mountain is the fifth lady. Oh, yeah. It's almost like the mountain is like another character.

It's really. Steve Goode? It kind of is. The mountain is the fifth breast. A hundred percent. I'd argue there's a fifth and sixth. There's some peaks and valleys. It kind of is. The mountain is the fifth breast. A hundred percent. I'd argue there's a fifth and sixth. There's some peaks and valleys.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, what are mountains if not nature's titties? Mountains are actually all big titties. They're big old titties. They're big hard titties. Nature's titties.

This is why we wanted you guys on the podcast. We don't get enough tit talk. Oh, we can talk about tits unproblematically. Because we talk about dicks a lot on this podcast.

We're both like big stands on the fact that there should be more male nudity in movies. We've noticed the titty erasure on this podcast and we're here to We kind of ignore the titties. Yeah.

Yeah. But you're right, Griffin. Get us back onto the movie. 45 minutes in a mountain. Not just that though. Like the movie just starts and it's like so you're going to go

mountain and then yep, sure. Starts with them outside the trailer to meet with Randy. There's no like preamble. 45 minutes in the mountain not just that though like the movie just starts and it's like so you're gonna go to the mountain and they're like yep sure starts with them outside the trailer to meet with Randy there's no like preamble it's just like they're gonna

they go to the mountain they're just like looking down their feet kicking dust here are two awkward guys they get inside Randy Quaid noted lunatic

noted lunatic in like his last legitimate performance because he sued this movie do you know about this? he sued the movie? he sued this movie because he said I believe he's third bill bill too i believe he's billed about both women oh my god at the time he was coming off of like a run of okay all you hire randy quaid to do is be like

a horny drunk yes yes weirdo right but had started out his career as like a legitimate actor yeah and i think this was viewed as like angie was bringing him back it's a revival project they're gonna make him a serious character actor again erase positive erasure of the old cousin Eddie stereotype erasure can be positive

sometimes it can be positive also Arnold Schwarzenegger's eraser positive erasure wow what if that was the plot of that movie it took us

30 mentions of the word erasure for Griffin to finally connect it to erasure erasure Williams erase the bad guys erase the bad guys I'm sorry Randy Quaid does this movie mentions of the word erasure for Griffin to finally connect it. Erase the Williams. Erase the bad guys.

Randy Quaid does this movie, gets paid like scale, and then when the movie comes out and does very well, he claims that it was fraud, they misrepresented it to him, they offered him a lower rate because they were hiding the fact that the movie was a blockbuster by pretending it was an indie film. He was like, you guys tricked me into not, and it's like, no one thought this was gonna

make 85 million domestic. He claimed they knew it was gonna be successful. It was a focused features movie. It was a small movie. That was the start of his public spiral. He was very loud about the lawsuit, and then he started getting into like, and I'm still owed residuals for Independence Day, Rupert Murdoch.

He's a conspiracy theorist. But that was the beginning of him having the platform to start talking about Hollywood fucking him. What's truly crazy and is just so emblematic of Hollywood is this is in a world where we are many years after The Princess Diaries. And I believe, no, maybe this is right before Devil Wears Prada. Yes, this is the year before. If Anne Hathaway is billed underneath Randy Quaid...

I get Michelle Williams because up to that point she had only done Dawson's Creek. She's also third. Anne Hathaway is fifth billed. Michelle is fourth. It's Ledger, Gyllenhaal, Quaid... Anne Hathaway is barely in this movie. She probably has like seven minutes of screen time.

Other than the two guys. She rode a horse. She's got wigs. Other than the two guys, everyone is barely in this movie. No one has a large number of scenes. And then once you get off the mountain, the scenes tend to get shorter and shorter. They get very time skippy. Anne Hathaway makes it look easy in this movie.

Because also that phone call at the end where she tells Heath Ledger what's happened to Jake. Mostly in that one close-up. That's a hard scene. And there's a lot going on in that character's mind. I love the scene where she tells a story and then he responds. And then her entire response to him is just this really small, like,

she just makes this little tiny noise because she to herself is repressed. Yes. Just a really interesting comment on women also in this movie. 100%.

I love romantic and sexual tension in movies and especially any movie like this where like you're going to see Brokeback you know it's about

the two of them having an affair to watch how long they sort of like play it out but also the fact that it doesn't feel like a bunch of like

almost oh no totally right because it is so much like their hands brush and they're like oh because it's kind of

incredible where you just see them getting closer and closer and closer to guys who aren't necessarily, I mean, especially Ennis is, like, not a social person at all. Right, right, right. Getting closer and closer and closer, and then it just goes from, like, zero to a hundred. Right. And then the rest of the movie is just about watching how those poles pole, and it's great. Because the worst version of this movie is, like, they keep on accidentally landing on each other's hands and then going like sorry right right instead it's

just like that's the love simon version of this movie yeah yeah they become like socially like intimate right and then that one moment where it's just like uh i i like that especially that first sex scene the way they're like all chain between like fighting each other and like, like sexing each other. I have an issue with that, with the first sex scene. Okay. And I just don't think it's,

I just, this is just from a gay perspective. Sure. Please. Um, I don't think you'd have penetrative sex the first time you seems a little fast. Yeah,

no, you wouldn't do it. Seems a little fast. It feels like too painful. And the air is very dry they're in wyoming i also don't think that heath ledger would have known to do that no also try some hand stuff yeah absolutely try some hand stuff i think what would have happened is they might have uh as we say in the in the in the culture sure fraud. Frauded. Frauded. I think some frottage would have been the rubbing of dicks on dicks.

Okay, okay. I think the idea called Climax. The idea is like they're so coiled up that it's all sort of like What's happening here is really

frottage erasure. It is. Yeah. It is. This is, oh man, this is the, this is like the part

in Kristen Schaal's A Horse where it's like, it's not funny anymore and maybe we're going to come back up. Maybe it's going to get funny again, but we'll see. I'm left. It's actually Kristen Schaal and Kurt Branneler and that's Kurt Branneler.

Oh, okay. What else happened? You can't do that bit without Kurt Branneler, I'm sorry. There's sheep, there's CGI sheep. Yeah, do you guys know this? They were CGI'd? What else happens? No,

I mean, I mean, this first 45, I'm trying to think if there's anything to touch on in this first 45 minutes. Linda Cardellini, Anna Faris. I keep the trains running here. David,

David Harbour. David Harbour. No, but they're later. They're later. They're later. I'm just, well,

I'm going through the whole. No, fair enough. Yeah. Randy Quaid has this great line. Well, that comes later. I'm just trying to remember like what

some of the mountains it's a lot of like process stuff you see a lot of them that's another thing I love about this they talk about like how Jake's like Pentecostal

at one point or something they talk about like their strains of Christianity they talk about their families and how they don't really like get it his relationship with his siblings

right I mean there's that part where he says like I think you said more in the last like sentence than you did and he's like there's you said more in the last like sentence than you did and he's like there's more I said

in the last year I think the movie should have had a voiceover which is like I'm just like you I'm a cowboy ranch farmer and the thing is I'm a little gay

I'm also a little bit gay are you just here for a love sign just yeah and I think Jack Antonoff should have did the score yeah

even though he was like 16 probably when this was done. Dating Scarlett Johansson. Have you ever seen those photos? Shut up. He dates Scarlett Johansson in high school

and there are weird photos of them together. Look it up, David. I have no comment. Yeah. Now you're out. You have no comment. What I was going to say

is when like old like fuddy-duddy Oscar Hollywood people were like John Wayne would be ashamed it's like this is an actual cowboy yeah yes like john wayne movies are like western movies this is a movie about guys right they're they're in charge of protecting animals like like that's what they are they're like basically like ranchers who aren't on a ranch and don't know how to do

anything else like part of the movie is that like right they don't have jobs. As they go on, it's like, okay, so Jake has to do the more theatrical version of being a cowboy. Right. He's a rodeo guy. He's kind of borderline covering around the poverty line waiting for the good seasons when he can round up cattle.

This is the 60s, so it's like the frontier is kind of close to over. Everything in America is just sort of like there's suburbs. There's like things are settling and they're, yeah, they don't really have anything. But the thing I think the first 45 minutes do really well are sell you on the sort of isolation of this environment. You understand the emotional sort of desolation of being in that position. You imagine a lot of times these guys are working that type of job and it's just one person. And the idea that like

seasons are changing, that they're there for like months on end, it like feels as isolating as like being in space. You know? Like you're watching it and it's just like,

well, it makes sense that A, eventually they would break down and start to feel that intimacy with each other. And B, that, the sort of, the luck, the confluence of two guys realizing,

Oh, you might be the same thing that I am. This thing that I've been fighting my entire life. Jake seems a little more comfortable in his sexuality in this movie. He's, he's, he's acted on it. Yeah.

Right. And I wasn't going to say anything. I was just saying his character, obviously. He's Ennis, you know, like his dad, like, yeah. As he recounts, like dragged him to see a man who'd been beaten to death and like, character obviously has been on it he's Ennis you know like his dad like

as he recounts dragged him to see a man who'd been beaten to death and like maybe his dad did that he wonders like all that stuff

yeah that sucks sure no good very bad don't do it no good

very bad don't do it I can't remember if that was in the short story if the if like his flashback to

I don't think it was any Proul loved this movie so much was so happy with it she said something she was like I'm one of the only authors who's seen her whole vision completely fully realized

she also dragged Crash a lot that entire Oscar season she kept on writing op-eds calling it trash. Good for her. She would say more like trash. And also I think she had gone through the shipping news which is a movie like if you read that book the idea of Kevin Spacey

in the lead role is like ludicrous. You're like I can't believe they settled on Kevin Spacey for this. She had been through the bad version of a Hollywood adaptation. She was relieved. Uh-huh. Life's tough in Newfoundland.

But the process of this is cool. I mean, I always like any movie that gives you enough time to understand what someone's life is like, what their sort of like work routine is like,

the idea of the challenges. I mean, this movie does build like weird amounts of like dramatic tension over like the arc of trying to successfully

herd the sheep and all of that. You know? So are they always CGI? Because they look real in some scenes. So supposedly on Lee Suarey he'd never worked with sheep again. Right, he worked with sheep on Sensitivity and hated it so much that he'd never work with sheep again. That's so funny. The only problem is the sheep. There is a

before and after VFX reel you can find online that shows you how they did the CGI for the sheep when they're in pretty close and you can tell

the ships look real real but copy pasted it was a smaller amount of sheep can you imagine just Heath and Jake running around there's like one sheep

and they're like go go there's like four and they're copy pasting anytime it's a wide shot in the distance they're 100% CGI oh my god

so it's either real footage that they're multiplying or it's a wide shot in the distance, they're 100% CGI. Oh my god. So it's either real footage that they're multiplying or it's 100%. They deserve the Oscar just for that. It was crazy. Yeah, 100% crazy. A thing that really stood out to me in this movie is

you rarely see the sky this much in movies. It's one thing when it's these big, sweeping, establishing vistas of the whole mountain, but even when you go in pretty close on them on conversation, they're always showing you these guys in relation to, even when they go

back home, when they're walking around their towns, you always see the sky in the movie. It always feels very empty. They're always sort of just isolated in the middle of this world. This movie is a piece of art. It's bearing down on you. It's a piece of art. It's a gorgeous movie. It's such a shame. Well, you world this movie is a piece of art it's bearing down on you it's a piece of art it's a gorgeous movie

it's such a shame and it's like well you know what that's great and it's like a cultural milestone it's putting too much importance on

yeah and who cares people definitely remember this movie it also kind of I think only bolsters this movie's reputation that it was robbed yeah

you know I think it helps it's a queer narrative yes yes yes yeah and what is a queer narrative. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And what is a queer narrative?

Erasure. It's always centered on that. I just want to say one more thing. We talked about how the sheep were CGI. There's a lot of sheep actors out there that really want to see themselves on screen and it's erasure. It's erasure.

And that's not even a joke at this point. That's not even a joke. Sean. Sean the sheep. I'm trying to think of other famous sheep. Corinne. Kayla. Of course not even a joke. Sean. Sean the Sheep. I'm trying to think of other famous Sheep. Corinne. Kayla. Of course.

Kayla is incredible. Yes. Kayla was actually really good in Sense and Sensibility. Yes. But then fucking She and Ang Lee

though they clashed. I know. Big personality problems. This is real though. Have you ever heard like oftentimes Ang Lee has worked with some of the best actors.

But they all love him as a director all of them like kate winslet is like says that um like he didn't respond to her at first like he was like she's too big too emotional yeah this is too much like he didn't understand her in the part and she like kate winslet apparently in the early years of her career like fought for every role that she got. But they eventually were able to get there, but it was difficult at first. But Michelle Williams says that during Brokeback Mountain,

every scene he would come over to her and be like, oh, oh. It was kind of apologetic, like, I know it's so hard. He seems very empathetic and really knew how to to give even though I think maybe he couldn't vocalize exactly, specifically to the point where he needed. He was always very emotionally in tune with

every single performer. The two things we've heard as we've gone through these movies and read actors talk about working with him is that they go like, I think he's kind of canny about how he him is that like they go like i think he's kind of like canny about how he pretends that his grasp on english is a little worse than it is because he uses it to be very concise in what he's like economical and then they're like he kind of speaks in these weird little zen statements that's great though he just says

like three words to you where you're like oh fuck yeah you know he doesn't over explain yes yes and i think it's a lot of him saying like that he does stand there and go like i understand what you're feeling yeah i mean i was watching behind the scenes interviews for billy lynn's long halftime work because we're getting him walk we're getting ready to do that and every actor on that was like chris stewart was like it's the best experience i've ever had with wow he's incredible she worked like three days on that movie right and everyone was just like i'll do anything with him because he's just like right there

Vin Diesel loves him Vin Diesel loves him all those videos where Vin's like I'm here with Ang Lee here we are like it's something like I'd do anything to work

with this guy yeah so this first 45 minutes you're really only seeing the two of them and Randy Quaid they're the only three actors in the movie

there's a part where he comes and Randy sort of spies on him right and sees him sees him gallivanting there's the thing. Sees him gallivanting. There's the thing where Heath gets hurt, comes in with the blade face. Oh, right, right, right. And Jake kind of tends to him.

You can tell how uncomfortable he's getting about the fact they're making that much physical contact. And then they wake up in the middle of the night. Oh, that's the other thing. Because he's like shivering outside. Sure. It's cold. Jake invites him into the sleeping bag.

They wake up in the middle of the night. They're canoodling. Sure. They're spooning, which is very sweet. Then they wake up and start like fighting a lot of wrestling yeah right which feels like like the the baby kittens i've been looking after with wait do you still have those kittens uh oh i'll do a kitten update yeah uh they're they're about to be adopted off i a a cat broke into uh my apartment climbed through the window, had kittens underneath my dresser. And then went away and you had to coax the mother cat back, right?

Yeah. My downstairs neighbors, my best friends have been doing most of the fostering, but they were using my apartment as a home for the kittens for a long time. Oh, my God. We had to recapture the mom so she could nurse them and wean them off of her. And then it was a lot of veterinary visits and all of that. But I will just sit and watch these cats

interact with each other a lot. And there's that kind of thing where they're like constantly like fighting each other affectionately. Like gay men. They're like pawing each other. Yes.

It feels very much like this thing in the movie where they just like can't stop touching each other whether it's like loving or aggressive. As we talked about in many episodes

Ang Lee loves his physicality. It always feels like very expertly choreographed. Every move and every facial expression. That's how this feels. It's really, really well done. And then Randy Quaid comes to check in on them. Or he has a message to relay, right? It's Jake's aunt dies or something.

He comes to give the telegram. And sees them like... Noodling. Yeah, well they're like chasing each other. They're horsing around. They're horsing around. to give the telegram and sees them like noodling. Yeah. Well, they're like chasing each other with a shirt. It's like very They're horsing around.

They're horsing around. Sheeping around. That's when he flips out realizes they're stemming the rose. So they get back. Problem broke back. Right. They split off.

They get broke back. And then like he starts like crying in an alleyway. Clearly he can't kind of process this. She's in love. And then there's an amazing hard cut

to him marrying Michelle Williams. Yeah. Like they cut from him crying in an alleyway to him saying I do. Yeah.

I do. I do. I mean again such a great contained like you know such a like coiled performance like especially

in those early scenes. I mean this performance I feel like you're dragging emotions out of him? It's maybe one of my favorite performances ever. It's a great performance. It really is. I just remember, Phil Singer Hoffman's my favorite actor,

and I was so energetically stumping for Heath to win over Hoffman, because I was just like, clearly, the performance performance, this is a once-in-a-lifetime thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially in a pre-Joker thing I was like I don't

know if he's ever gonna get to transform this much. That was the same year as Walk the Line too right? I believe it was. Joaquin was good in

that. He's good in that. But Heath is just like next fucking level in this. And there's also this like watching this movie I don't know if you

guys had this experience because we're all like a similar age and it's now like 13 years since the movie came out. I could not stop freaking out over how young everyone is in this movie.

Oh yeah. Like they're so fucking young. He's like 26 in this. Heath? Yeah. Yeah because he died he was like 29. Right and he's like

the oldest of the cast. He died at the age of 28. Oh God. He's 25 in this? It was like a big deal. Jake's about 25. Right. Maybe 24. He would have been this? It was like a big deal. Yeah, and Jake's about 25, maybe 24. He would have been the youngest dude ever to win Best Actor. He had won.

That was another thing why everyone was like, oh, let him wait. Michelle is also like 24. Anne is like 22. Insane. She's so young. Insane. Jeez, that's crazy. I never thought about that.

And Ang Lee said he wanted to cast really young people because he thinks that's the more important section of the movie. And I think he makes this choice that at the time, as a literal-minded dude, I was always kind of confused by. Now I think it's really smart to not burden them with old age makeup and stuff. He gets a little bit of like, you know, gray temples. He gets a blonde wig. She gets a wig. But they don't like, you know, put like latex on her face.

Sure, sure, sure. But he's the one who most convincingly plays the the growth the age like the end of the movie he's playing kate marr's dad despite being like five years older than her if that right right and i'm like i believe he's you never questioned it for a second no right it's kind of incredible how like a good scene too it's so good she is phenomenal in that scene to the point where i was great people don't give her the crown they don't and she is a great actress but remember when i saw that i was like oh this is like a major star like you know that kate mara is definitely gonna be a huge star my mom and i were like kate mara obviously and then it felt like it took another

10 years for everyone to like get with the program she's been around she's been around she was always working but i feel like the breakthrough was house of cards yeah right that was when people i I feel like, really started recognizing how good she was. She's always been great, though. She's a great actress. Okay, so they split off. Heath marries Michelle, and Jake starts rodeoing

and very quickly meets Anne Hathaway, who's a girl who moves real fast. Lorene. In the right direction. Yeah, what's his line when she says, let me know if I'm moving too fast or whatever? He's like, is it that? Is it like, it's all in the right direction?

You don't waste any time. Yeah, as long as it's in the right direction. But it gets very like vignette-y. It almost becomes montage-y as it's just like prepping through. And it does that thing I love where it's like, it cuts back and forth between them

and every time Heath has like another kid you don't know if this scene is like a week later you're like oh it's like a year and a half later. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know?

Yeah. Because you're sort of like trucking through the point where he has three eventually. Three. Yeah. And then they come back together and it's like what

like a two day thing, right? Where they have that scene where they scream at each other. Right, and it's now been four years. Right. Right it's now been four years. Right. Right. When he shows up,

the timing is always a little ambiguous. Cause like, they don't, they don't really give us like, you know, flashcards or anything to like, tell us like, it just feels like,

like time is like slipping. They really should have had the voiceover to be like, well, I guess it was a few years. Yeah. I like to drive to high school with my friends and drink ice coffee. I fucking love Simon where they're like, you know me, we love our iced coffee.

You know, we get it. You drink coffee. I'm pretty much a normal kid except for one thing. I make fun of Love, Simon, but I think it's a lovely little movie. So you like Simon? You like Love, Simon? Yeah, Love, Simon was good. I just wish he would have

yeah but it's movies for fucking stupid 12 year olds who love ice cream but yeah the jump from their last meeting to to the death is like hard but that is like a quick

and to understand that like that's the way he dies too. Oh yeah. It's just like he's murdered. It's fucking terrible. I'll say, I watched this movie. I don't know if this is going to be a hot take. Oh boy.

I think Jake Gyllenhaal is not great in this movie. I think he's okay. That's a hot take. I think he becomes great later. Like I think he's given like at least five capital G great performances after this. I think in this he's pretty good. The one great scene

he has is the final scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where he sort of lets out with all his anger because he's always kind of been the more comfortable, easygoing one. Sure, sure.

I think it's a good performance. I think this is a hard role because like you're saying, he's playing a much more comfortable and easygoing person. Not just that he's comfortable in his skin, he's just kind of also

an extroverted guy. He's an emotional actor. He's an emotional actor and he's better when in his skin he's just kind of also an extroverted guy he's an emotional actor he's an emotional actor and he's better when he has things to do he's a fantastic actor I think he's become fantastic I think he's good in this

I think he has the bad luck of having to act against Heath Ledger who not only is just like totally hitting a stride but also is playing such a full character and Jake is kind of like

doing his thing and Jake might have been thinking that he has to like make up for whatever Heath isn't giving him. Being more conventional movie star

kind of leading man. You also have to you know that Heath is the lead and you have to be this like it's hard I think when you're performing like to perform

charisma and perform Yes, it is. And perform being sexually appealing without doing too much. to perform charisma and perform yes it is and perform being sexually appealing without doing too much it's a tough performance it's a tough performance

you know what I mean the assignment is difficult I'm not saying it's bad I'm just saying I watch it and I'm like Jake Gyllenhaal today would be so much better

in this role than he was oh interesting that might be true speaks for all good actors as they get better Jake Gyllenhaal's performance in Okja is is just it's a brave thing capital G was Ben. That might be true. It speaks for all good actors as they get better. Jake Gyllenhaal's performance in Okja is just,

it's a brave thing. Capital G. Capital G. They go from this, the four years where they don't see each other, they've both gotten married to the first meet

and then it starts to become a more regular thing where it feels like they're seeing each other every other month. I think more than that. No, I think it's like every six months to a year.

Yeah. You don't go up there to fish. Jack Nasty. So when I saw this movie i thought michelle williams was the falsest falsest note in the movie like when i first saw because she does have the one big scene where you're like jack nasty is rough that's a tough line for any actor now i'm isolated are you kidding me i love that scene now because like now i see that and i'm like right she just does not have the vocabulary to describe what she's trying to say the reason why it's so great is because you know that's what she's been calling him right it's like in her head and it's been years she says it and it sounds a

little stupid and she knows it and she feels embarrassed and ashamed and it's after they've broken up too she's with uh the other guy who is sitting in the other room with a cigar. Right. Who's the former manager at the supermarket, right? Who's always obviously had like a crush on her. But I'm just saying

like Heath Ledger is basically like and this guy's just sitting there with his cigar. And repressed. Very repressed. This movie's so like brutal in those

sort of hard cuts of juxtaposition. Yeah. But there's the one where it's them on the mountain and then it cuts back to her just sitting at the table alone with her cup of coffee. I mean also But there's the one where it's them on the mountain and then it cuts back to her just sitting at the table alone with her cup of coffee.

I mean, also, we're forgetting the scene where she sees them kiss and has that little silent panic attack that she has to immediately stifle. And she's just

earth-shattering acting. This was like a real sort of announcement for her that it's like, okay, she's a real major actor. She's excellent. That was the moment. That was the moment.

And now she's, you know, one of the... She is. She's one of the great actresses. I really do think so. And she's a real major actor that was the moment now she's you know one of the she is she's one of the great actresses I really do think so it's her and Amy Adams are the two most nominated people to not win of this generation I think Michelle will get there first to be honest

I just want Amy to get it so badly I think we all do I actually think she deserved it for Arrival. I did too. She was my pick that year. Arrival, I think, was... That year was...

It was last year, right? No, it was two years ago. So was it Emma Stone? Was it... Yeah, it was Emma Stone. Yeah. Well, that was her big moment.

And to be fair, also, her aunt lived in Paris. That's true. She did win Best Parisian Neat as well. Without looking. And stumbled into.

I mean, Emma's here in the studio. She's great in the movie. She's great. She's great. Four-time nominee, Michelle Williams. It's crazy that she didn't win for Manchester. But Viola Davis was. No, that's.

Wait, that's a tough one. but Viola Davis was no that's wait that's a tough one although Viola should have been lead and also I think Viola should have won

for the help so the time progresses it becomes a more and more regular thing his marriage totally falls apart because he kind of

can't even keep faking it. And she has seen how bastard... She sees that moment between Ennis and Jack Nasty. Jake has this

dick measuring contest with his father-in-law. Yes. That's such a good scene. Also, wait, we're also forgetting... Sit down, you old son of a bitch.

We're forgetting when they go out to dinner with their friends on a Ferris and her husband. Anna Faris in such a good tiny part. Serious. Just giving you such Anna Faris, but at the time period realness.

And then they go outside and Anna Faris' husband. Oh, is that David Harbour? That's David Harbour. Wow. David Harbour says to him, you know, I heard you go up there and I would go up there with you. And it's like. Yeah.

And I feel like Jake is like, all right, David Harbour says to him, you know, I heard you go up there and I would go up there with you. And it's like, yeah. And I feel like Jake is like, all right, David Harbour. And you've already had the earlier moment where he's got that Heath dick. He can't go to that David Harbour dick after that. He gets the letter from Heath about the divorce and then of his own volition without warning drives to see him.

And it's like, I guess this means we can finally live together now, right? And he's sort of like, I got the kids, I can't. He goes to his car, starts crying, drives to Mexico, picks up Rodrigo Pietro. The great cinematographer. This movie plays the young Mexican hustler.

Because Ernie did not like the actor they had found because he was too short. So he's like, Rodrigo, do you want to do this? Wow. But then, yeah, the last meeting where it's like Jake has sort of started like becoming bitter, you know? Yeah. He's started

being angry about the fact that he feels like they have not been living the life that clearly both of them want to be living. And Heath is just so steadfast of like, not an option. Yeah. Not an option. Not even about whether or not I want to do it. Can't do it. Right. Someone gets a hold of us at the wrong place, wrong time, we're good. It's really good. Really good. No, I'm saying you did. That's a really good us at the wrong place wrong time we're good it's really good

really good no I'm saying you did that's a really good impression and then Jake has this flip out where he's like couple high altitude fucks here at Brokeback Mountain he's wearing that mustache

so well he wears the mustache very well right that is that Ain't No Rains on this one which is my favorite line in the movie which I think is one

of their earlier getaways but it's after the that's the closest Heath comes to saying like I love you right and it's the only way he can describe it where he's the closest Heath comes to saying like I love you. Right. And it's the only way he can describe it where he's like I can't control how I feel around you. Ain't no reason. I love that line. I think it's in the

short story. I think it's such a perfect encapsulation of his character. Cuts from that to their younger days. Yeah. Them canoodling on the mountain which is like really heartbreaking. Steve Coogan's really good in that scene. And then like, Steve Coogan's great in that scene.

Fade to Heath picking up a letter from the post office. Yeah, yeah. Deceased stamp. Such a fucking stab. So sad. Like it's so sudden. And it calls Lurleen.

Lurleen. Yes. Lurleen. Lurleen. Right. She's got the most aggressive of her Reagan era wigs on. At this point it's basically

sort of like a semi-circle. Delivers her Oscar scene where she slowly starts to let on when she realizes who she's talking to. That's why I've always wondered if she... She should have been nominated too. She's very good. There's the moment...

She starts telling the story of what happened to him that's clearly rehearsed from this is our company line public telling the story of what happened to him and it's clearly rehearsed from like, this is our company line, public, like our PR statement story of what happened to him. And then when he identifies that he's the guy, you see the switch in her eyes

and she's like, oh, I'm talking to the one he actually loved. Yeah. But then at this point, we, little Linda Cardellini razor,

but he's tried seeing her. It doesn't work. I love Linda Cardellini. She's excellent. What does she have, like two scenes maybe? Three? But she's great. Yeah. She's so good in the scene where he's tried seeing her it doesn't work she's excellent to Cartellini two scenes maybe but she's great she's so good

in the scene where he breaks up with her and Kate Mara is so fucking good in the scene where he takes her to meet her

she's really kind of weird about everything it kind of plays like Kate Mara now knows from her mother at this point that her father's gay probably

and she does understand why he's like wasting this woman's time and then asks if she can live with him and he's like wasting this woman's time and then asks if she can live with him and he's like oh you can't but then

there's a scene where Ennis goes to see Jack's parents and the mom is kind of sympathetic and it's sad it's that same dynamic where you're immediately like

oh I understand and she gives him the shirt and this is something that the movie gets so right is the scent yeah but that's and just that metaphor of the shirts together.

When they leave the mountain that he like can't find his shirt. Yeah. Right. So like Jack stole it which is in and of itself devastating. And just that his childhood room and how like sort of spare it is

and like the little toys. I don't know. But the difference of a supportive mother is why he was more comfortable with his sexuality. His dad is like. I can't remember what his dad says. He's played by that guy who plays like me. He says rubble, rubble, rubble. It's Peter McRobbie.

It's Peter McRobbie. Yes. Yes. Who we've talked about many times. But then one of the most quietly devastating final scenes in film history. Yeah. Oh, Jack. We're just like, okay, so now it's later, you know, came our ass for the hand in marriage,

you know, or, or approval the hand in marriage you know or approval he's so good at this scene this is the specific scene that Daniel Day-Lewis called out in his SAG speech for There Will Be Blood where he was like this is the most outstanding piece of acting I'd ever seen and Heath wasn't even nominated that year

I think he was just saying that was great it was the same year it was after he died that's what it was I guess it was right saying that was great. It was the same year. It was after he died. That's what it was. I guess it was right after. It was right after. He died in very early 2008. He died January 22nd. He died my brother's birthday.

Wow. That was my present for my brother, which he didn't appreciate. Do you want to know what's crazy? I remember when I found this out. I was in the car on the way to see 27 Dresses. Oh, boy. And I had the radio on, and they were like, this is crazy. Heath Ledger died. And I was like, what? Every broadcast

was like, this is insane. They broke their composure and was like, this is so weird. I was so devastated by it. I'm so rarely because he was so young, obviously. But it was the rare thing where I had to sit down and not do anything all day. Yeah. And I just remember

the media outside of his apartment in New York and all that sort of nasty stuff that immediately started all the weird he was with Mary Kate Olsen what's going on but they had sort of separated

right of course they met on this movie this is like one of the best final lines in film history and it's like 75% in the delivery it's a pretty good final line as written even in a room by himself

after he's lost the love of his life still can't fully verbalize it still can't get the feeling out of him but the little smile that Heath puts on it and then the fact that he's put the two shirts over each other that it's like here's his little closet where he's just gonna live in his memory.

It hurts your heart. Nothing I think that that's still like the preeminent piece of like LGBT cinema right now. I think that like there's really not been like something that gets the visceral thing of like what it feels like to be truly repressed.

Love being like compromised by like shame and all these things. Wish I Knew How to Quit You was like the joke Mimi thing at the time. Right, right, right. But I think that was just more of like because it was easier people mock that as being like this like really like heavy romantic drama like it was the gay love story or something like that this thing like the forces are holding us apart but the movie is

all about bottled repressed emotions and I think it's legacy is fucking like wheelhouse he's the king of bottled and repressed emotions I feel like when people quote this movie they quote Jack I Swear now because it is like an activator. The fact that the sentence doesn't end, you just immediately get caught in your throat.

Three words, it's crazy. Very, very, very. It closes the door, and then the music plays. Hard to watch. Right. Which it is weird now that listening to the score in this movie, it feels like a parody because of how often people reappropriated the score afterwards.

That's another thing. I want to talk about the score. I forgot how good the score is. Because Gustavo Santo, yeah, he does kind of do his thing. He has two Oscars and the second time you're like, he just did a guitar score again in one of the segments. It's so

good how spare it is. He's not letting you have emotion. This was kind of unusual at that time. Now you have a lot more twangy guitar. And the one this was kind of unusual at that time for a score winner now you have a lot more like twangy guitar and the one time it breaks out

is the you know and then you've got the fireworks that scene where that shot is fucking phenomenal like where you're seeing Ennis like blow up

blow up but you have that like James Dean like giant like hero shot where his head's down and his fist is clenched and everything's exploding

behind him beautiful what a fucking iconic performance this movie is clenched and everything's exploding behind him. Beautiful. What a fucking iconic performance. This movie is fucking incredible. It is. It's great. It's better than I remembered and I remembered it so well. I think it will just continue to age better and better

and I think it is like you talk about like a lot of breakthrough LGBT movies hold up poorly because they were trying to sort of make some point. And then you're just like, well, that point wasn't fully executed. Also, these stories are almost always told by straight people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which this movie predominantly is. Yeah. Larry McMurtry and Diana Osana, we should say, wrote this. The key to this movie, and one of the reasons I think this movie was such a breakthrough, is that it is just like an emotional story first and foremost. And its gay identity comes from that sense of repression, which is somewhat universal. You know, like as much as it is very specific

to that sort of identity, it's just the story about like not being able to live the life you want, be with the person you want to be with. Which is universal. Right. It's so based in those emotions that I think it became a weird blockbuster, which Randy Quaid sued them for.

Yes, it made 83 million dollars. It made 178 worldwide. We're going to play the box office game. So 83, 13 years ago would be like 150 now, right? Let's find out.

Let's adjust for inflation. 117. It's not that long. Okay. Alright. Number one. This is, we're talking December 9th, 2005.

Griffin's going to and you guys can weigh in if you want. This is my one weird savant. So Brokeback Open Limited obviously sort of opened number 15. So Bro. Griffin's good. And you guys can weigh in if you want. This is my one weird savant. So Brokeback opened limited, obviously. So it opened number 15. So Brokeback's not, you know. What was its biggest weekend?

Let me find out. Its biggest weekend, you know, like... Slow and steady, right? It's like $7 million. It's like, you know, it just kind of hung around. It was a phenomenon. Number one is maybe the biggest movie of the... No.

Maybe it is. Maybe it's the biggest movie of 2005. It's a big fantasy movie. is, maybe the biggest movie of the, no, maybe it is. Maybe it's the biggest movie of 2005. It's a big fantasy movie. No, it's number two behind Star Wars Episode III. It's Chronicles of Narnia, The Lion,

the Witch, and the Lord. That's right. $65 million. As Lion, the Lion. Our friend, Todd Vanderwerf,

screen grabbed the top 20 films of 2005 and said, has there been another year with more films that don't exist? Yes. If you look at the top 20 films of 2005 and said, has there been another year with more films that don't exist? If you look at the top 20 of 2005, it's like none of these movies.

Flight Plant? That doesn't exist. Yeah, no, that's not a movie. Fun with Dick and Jane? Does not exist. Erasure, Erasure, Erasure. I love Flight Plant.

Goblet of Fire. I was going to say. Doesn't exist. The one Harry Potter movie doesn't exist. Madagascar? Robots? Robots does not exist.

Pacifier? I don't see Madagascar robots. Robots do not exist. I don't see Madagascar either. Number two, and I can't believe this movie made as much money. This movie made $50 million. It's an expanding movie, so it's been around for three weeks, but it's expanding. But this is like an Oscar play?

It wins an Oscar. It wins an Oscar. It's making $11 million this weekend. It's like a very serious ensemble drama. Syriana? Correct. It's a very Syrian-ness. Wow, wow, wow. Yeah, it's weird that that movie made $50 million.

They kind of sold it like it was a thriller. That's a movie that doesn't exist. I had George Clooney. They had Clooners. George Clooners. Yeah. Winning an Oscar for gaining weight. Uh-huh.

And getting tortured. Outside of like, you know, people who like are emotionally invested in Oscar histories like us. Right.

If you held a gun to anyone's head on the street, they would never guess that that's the thing he won an Oscar for. No. It'd be like what?

Writing good night and good luck? What did he win for? Typical, typical example of we should give this person an Oscar. He grew a beard,

he gained weight and it was the same year that he had done everything else i hate when they do that the story about his back injury i got a back injury you don't see me stumping for a second you definitely never mentioned it um number three is we've talked about it like so much on this fucking podcast already it's the fourth film in a. Number four is a film we also talked about just a minute ago. It's Ella Enchanted. It's not Ella Enchanted.

Neither Beauty Shop. Princess Diaries 2. No, not Honey. It's another Oscar winner this year. Chocolate. Nope. It's a music biopic oh what the wow fifth or sixth best performance unquestionably not even in the top five number five i had to

look up to remember what this movie is it's a family comedy family stone nope so you from the title didn't even remember what it was and it's got one of those titles where you're like huh like one of those like really bland like. Is it a holiday family ensemble? The squid and the whale. No, no, no. Think bad. Think bad.

But it's a family comedy. Now, is it a comedy for families or is it an adult comedy about a family? It's about, I think it's about two people merging their families. It's like a couple. Meet the Fockers. You're close. Meet the Parents. I mean, it's like a Meet the Parents ripoff. christmas here we go here we go another good suggestion guys it is an ultimate doesn't exist movie from the director of scooby-doo it

is called yours mine hours oh with renee russo and denis quaid remake of a lucio ball henry fonda comedy oh my god and isn't it like the idea like they both have like seven kids or whatever? Well, it was because Trooper by the Dozen was so big that they were like, let's remake. Big families.

Right. Yeah. All right, we're done. That's it. We did it. I mean, Eon Flux, Just Friends. A lot of movies

that don't exist. Eon Flux. Chicken Little. Hey, can I throw out a Just Friends hot take because you just said that movie doesn't exist? Yeah.

Anna Faris should have been nominated for that. Just Friends hot take because you just said that movie doesn't exist. Anna Faris should have been nominated for that. Just Friends is so good. Thank you. Just Friends is amazing.

Thank you. Also Anna Faris if they took comedy seriously would be nominated for that. She played the pop star. Forgiveness.

Samantha James with the poster. Small people you just don't know. Small people you come and go. The Usher film in the mix.

Can I just say something? Rent. I just say something rent can I say something Chris Columbus's rent by both of you quickly spanning for just friends

and on a fair I want to say I appreciate you being straight male allies straight male friends owned allies thank you yes

it's important that we don't erase that culture no no we can't have it we can't have it we can't have it

Amy's smart because I don't know if you know this, but straight men are under attack in those countries. They are. They are.

And actually, white straight males under attack. Yeah. I heard that Tucker Carlson is going to start doing his show from 100 miles under the ground

of the earth. They literally, because straight men are being attacked on the surface of the earth. Bugs Bunny's got giant pencil outs trying to erase

Tucker Carlson from the feet up like Duckamuck. He's trying to erase him while he's broadcasting. We have to protect Tucker. We have to protect Tucker. We have to protect Tucker. Bugs Bunny is the biggest

the biggest eraser. He loves erasing people and he thinks it's funny and then he redraws you as like a weird Bugs Bunny is alt-right. He's alt-right. Bugs Bunny is the

original alt-right troll. Absolutely. Yeah. It's crazy because we all know Elmer Fudd very liberal. Very liberal.

And he's just trolling him. Elmer Fudd very liberal and he's just trolling him Elmer Fudd's gay his last name is Fudd and you know what he loves to stem the rose he is a gun owner but very left he's a gun owner but very left he's like a Whoopi Goldberg

Elmer Fudd the original Whoopi Goldberg Elmer Fudd is actually an active bottom it's like he's actually he's a power bottom he's a power bottom yeah very involved in the sex um very vocal politically vocal during sex actually yes right right yeah i mean we we should say he's a left-leaning liberal and that his dick leans a little to the left who did he vote for he voted for jill ste, which is kind of a problem. He's a bit of a Sarandon in that sense. Totally.

He won't take it back. He won't take it back. I think it's actually good that we know what it's like to have this bad impression. He tries to make it seem like it was all part of his plan. He keeps being on MSNBC and you're like, just don't take the bucket. Keep it. I identify with Susan Sarandon not in that I voted for Jill Stein because I it the bucket lift I identify with Susan Sarandon

not in that I voted for Jill Stein because I did not but I identify with Susan Sarandon in Feud Betty and Joan she is really

really good but always gets second fiddle and on Las Culturistas I'm really really good but always get second fiddle and Bowen Yang

is Jessica Lange and what will happen is I'm Bowen Yang is Jessica Lange that is true Bowen Yang is Jessica Lange and I am Susan and it's crazy

hey look as good time as I am I wholly reject that if I'm anyone from Feud Betty and Joan I am you are Jessica Lange and you can't even deny

I am you are Joan I am Catherine Zeta-Jones as Olivia de Havilland you are not you are not you are. You are not. You are, and in fact,

when we did lip sync performance to feud Betty and Joan, you did Joan and I did Betty. What is that? Is that the part where they say, um,

it's, uh, I don't know. Oh, you yell at, uh, oh, okay.

It's the scene where they're yelling about their careers and they're like, it's terribly written. It's, it's classic're yelling about their careers and they're like... It's terribly written. It's classic Ryan Murphy garbage, but delivered by actors who are amazing. Like, how did it feel

to be the most talented girl in the world? I mean, that's the recipe. The code he cracked is actors who now don't get major parts in films... Like, I'll write you all these lines. I'll give you a lot of stuff to do. That explains my 11 Oscar nominations. When would they

have said that? I don't know. People can't see you at all on the Italian glamour makeup. So watch Feud available now on

FX now. Feud's great and for you to say that Ryan Murphy didn't write that beautifully is a razor. Yesterday I watched it.

It is impossible to erase Ryan Murphy. It's like 40,000 credits on IMDB. He's the one guy Bugs Bunny can't get to. He's taking out an extra large eraser.

He's staying. He's staying. I did watch the final scene where she hallucinates Betty Davis in her apartment and that is phenomenally done. And then when they're

watching when they're at the Oscars and they're doing the In Memoriam and Joan Crawford comes up for two seconds and they go that was it

and Susan Sredden says that's all any of us will get. That's kind of cut it. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Someone has definitely said that at the Oscars.

Someone did. Do you guys hope that like by the time To Joan and they raise a drink. Do you guys hope that by the time we die there's a podcasting award show

so we can at least make that montage? No, I'm going to be at the Oscars, honey. They're going to stop the whole show and give me a 15 minute tribute, bitch. And if they don die there's a podcasting award show so we can at least make that montage no I'm gonna be at the Oscars honey and they're gonna stop the whole show and give me a 15 minute tribute bitch

and if they don't that's erasure they'll do a John Hughes thing we have to go now where they bring out every other member of Pop Roulette

to like memorialize and you'd be like why did he get a whole in one segment to himself Pop Roulette actually never existed what?

that's erasure you're erasing yourself no just kidding. It was beautiful. It existed. It was there. Listen to Lost Culture, he says.

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murder you I don't got murder in me I would not murder you David and I would walk by I would not murder him but I would still be very afraid David and I would walk by and we'd give you like

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