Blank Check with Griffin & David - Decision to Leave with Tatiana Maslany

Episode Date: September 3, 2023

Decision to Leave? More like, decision to watch a good movie! EMMY AWARD WINNER (but more importantly, David Sims Best Supporting Actress Nominee of 2017) joins us to discuss Park’s most recent film, a romantic noir that gets text messaging absolutely right. We’re getting into everything, from the complexities of Tang Wei’s performance, to the concept of “sand beaching,” to S. Craig Zahler’s tight ponytail. Plus, we give our final Park rankings, and announce our next series, the worst-kept secret in podcasting. This episode is sponsored by:  The Big Flop on Wondery Plus (wondery.com/plus) AG1 (drinkAG1.com/blankcheck) Join our Patreon at patreon.com/blankcheck Follow us @blankcheckpod on Twitter and Instagram! Buy some real nerdy merch at shopblankcheckpod.myshopify.com or at teepublic.com/stores/blank-check

The moment you said you podcasted me, your podcast is over. The moment your podcast ends, my podcast begins. You're using it too many times. No, that's the right amount of times because I'm replacing the same word. Right. Love. Yes, correct. And what is a podcast but love expressed?

Right. What is more important than podcasts? Right. Love. Remember when everyone went crazy over that quote from WandaVision? What is grief but love persevering or whatever? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, what is a podcast but love on mic? I thought people were, I think that was a pretty good line. I do too. I thought people kind of got too worked up about that. This is the problem with the internet. And I'm just going to hit the nail on the head. I'm going to sum it up and the discourse is over. I'm going to tell you what the problem with the internet is.

Anything said too many times is annoying. Sure, right, right. That's it. You got it. That's it. Even if it's something you agree with. We basically create a platform where every voice is at the exact same volume. And the most correct point in the world becomes, dare I say it, cringe.

Sure. The second is said for the thousand thousandth thousandth thousandth time now everyone's going to say that i can't say the word thousand that's going to be the thing that's in the next cancellation yeah griffin can't say also cringe is annoying because people have said it too many people are sick of saying cringe i saw someone tweet what you can't type out embarrassing? Like, why do we all say cringe now? I do think cringe is one of the cringiest things

that people are saying online. I think any variation of calling something cringe makes me actually cringe. Me? Oh, I can? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, cringe elicits the feeling that it's meant to. Yeah, it's over. But in the wrong direction.

It's recursive,ive. In almost the only way. Have you guys heard about the self-described cringe comedians? It's a movement on TikTok. Okay. Yeah. Like they exist only to make you cringe. Is this like

Jake Novak reclaim the word kind of stuff? Wow. What a reference to me. It was the New York Times article recently. Okay. And it profiled three or four different cringe comedians. And their whole thing is they're just doing like, I'm an annoying person characters. Right.

I can't imagine someone building their entire comedic persona around being annoying on purpose, kind of needling their co-hosts saying bad jokes, repeating words that are overused. One of the people involved said she made like a half a million dollars this year just through you know, deals with

brands. Their existence is annoying to me. The fact that this movement exists is annoying. But they would be like, gotcha. No, but I'm cringing. No, I'm not cringing. No, they'd be like, yes, you are. I'm tisking.

You're tisking. I'm going, oh, brother. You're harrumphing. I'm not cringing. My body is still. My eyes are rolling. My feeling with cringing is that my skin lifts. That's the feeling for me it's like

it like oh your whole like my skin like wants to leave my body right it's the feeling you know and so things really yeah yes yes you're like no i always describe it as making my teeth hurt yes which i think is one of your best phrases thanks yeah owns bones yeah that's a good one makes your teeth hurt yeah I was out to brunch recently this fucking guy next to me ordered sambuca with this espresso and it's just like he clearly just learned about sambuca

and he's showing off does he want it in the espresso? that would be very odd it's a whole thing where you get a sambuca and they put like three espresso beans in it's a thing that you would do out to dinner but like this fucker is just like out on a date or something and they were like no see i don't know oh yeah because yeah it was just some random brooklyn brunch place yeah

yeah like what no we don't have that i can put champagne and orange juice for you do you want me to do that yeah Yeah, pretty much. This has basically become a new recurring segment. Ben's dining complaint. Yes. Tatiana, we're not introducing you yet, but I want to just let you know that I'm directing this next statement towards you. Ben, at this point,

it will have been several months ago, told a story on Mike about how he was duped into buying an overpriced steak at a restaurant. That the waiter upsold him with an off-menu item that he did not list the price for. And he said it was a better deal because the sides were included and the sides would basically pay for themselves. It cost a lot more money than regular options. It cost a tremendous amount of money. An amount of money I can barely comprehend. What was the price? Bleeped.

Okay, so we're going to bleep it again. We're going to bleep it again. On Friday night, right before we were recording today, this past Friday, some weeks after that episode came out, I went to a friend's birthday party. Two different

people independently asked me, hey, I totally understand if you can't say it, but can you tell me what the bleeped amount for the steak is? I got maybe 20 text messages. I got a bunch of those as well. How much did the steak cost? Tell me the number. The following night is Ben's actual birthday. Birthday Benny's birthday.

We went to his birthday party. It's like a fun group of people. You know, you have a birthday party. You have friends and different social groups. Thank you for describing birthday parties. No, I'm saying in Ben's apartment, people are hanging out in different spaces, in different configurations. Ben at one point walks into his living room, sits a chair and starts relitigating the steak thing I swear to you like a magnet everyone follows in sits down crisscross applesauce on the floor

pin drop silence half the room is waiting for him to drop the price right and half the room doesn't know where the story is going but Ben talked about it because when you did on the podcast, it was like you were playing up a genuine frustration comedically. Right. When Ben told it at the birthday party, there was a thousand mile stairs. If he was recounting his time in Vietnam, no one laughed. It was a harrowing story.

I'm haunted by it. Truly. I can't sleep. You really, it seems to, I'm experiencing insomnia from this experience. It's getting worse as time goes on. I think you gotta let it go. Well, no, I'm just

Oh, okay, okay, you're playing into it. Sorry, sorry. I don't know how much he's playing into it. I'm mad about it still. Furious about it. Very much so. He was so mad about it, he got his ear pierced. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Ben got his ear pierced. That's like a recent thing I did. Wow. Poor steak, though. It does feel like an expression of, yeah.

It feels like a response, a trauma response a little bit. Yeah, that's true. Right. Sometimes you just need to change yourself in order to work through something. To like recognize yourself again after you've gone through this. Yeah, you want to feel something. Right. Like poke a hole in me. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Stuff a steak in there. I'm feeling cringe because

you're all looking and analyzing me. All right. Come on. Griffin, what's our podcast? Our podcast is Blank Check with Griffin and David. I'm Griffin. David. It's a podcast about filmographies, directors who have massive... This is the episode where I'm not going to say anything correctly.

You almost said Saskatchewan. They have massive... You're from Saskatchewan. That's right. I think you were just feeling the vibes. I was doing that. It was on purpose and it was clever.

Do you rep Saskatchewan? Like, are you Saskatchewan proud? I don't know why I'm doing a Black Power solution. Well, I guess it's just general sort of solidarity. Yeah, oh, for sure. That's why I was sending it to you.

Massive success early on in their careers. Enough success to buy the world's fanciest steaks and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy. With two sides. Two sides included. You said the sides were garbage too.

Yeah, it was just like watercress that was dressed in like a normal ass dressing. And French fries. French fries. Oh boy. You can get those pretty cheap. Yeah. Thin French fries or thick? If they're thin? They were thick

They were good fries I think a thin is actually classier I think it's classier but if you pan this much Thick is like Oh you chopped a potato four times good job You made a french fry Whereas we're talking more like Shoestring level thin

Especially with a steak I think it's right with a steak. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think it's right with a steak. Because you soak up the juices. But they only gave him five. It was five fries. Seriously. They're going to do a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want.

Sometimes those checks clear. And sometimes they bounce. Baby. This is a mini series on the films of Park Chan-wook. Today we're talking about, I was going to say his final film, but his most recent film, the final film in this mini series on the films of park chan wook today we're talking about i was gonna say his final film his most recent film the final film in this mini series yeah which has been called i'm a podcast but that's okay that's right it's decision to leave decision our guest today correct me if i'm wrong about this is this our first emmy winner on the podcast tatian do you

have an emmy i do congrats we've been trying to collect an oh you wanted me for work from black didn't you yeah that was awesome i forgot about her emmy don't think she won some you were like you were about to denigrate sometimes people will kind of sneak an emmy she was a prime time star it was a huge triumph for genre television. It was such a great moment. I remember that. We're trying to collect our egot. Oh, is that what we're doing? Okay. Yeah.

Mm hmm. So we've had two Tony award winners. Wow. Cerberus. Who's the other one? Lin. Yeah. Lin-Manuel Miranda.

Sorry, Lin. You have like eight Tonys. Sorry. He might have an Emmy too. He might have snuck an Emmy. I think he won a Daytime Emmy for Wonder Pets. For writing songs for Wonder Pets, I believe.

It is nice. And he comes for Grammy too. Okay, geez. Well, now we're just kind of, you know. Bragging? Tatiana Maslany is here. Hi, hi, hi. I'm sorry I forgot about your Emmy win. That was a big deal i wish you would

always reference it it's a very important thing you demand it you're one of the people the most question but where do you put your emmy i'm one of those uh bathroom no it's like in my storage locker i'm not i'm not like a put things on the i don't i don't have that in me i like i like to put toys on the shelf i don't like okay put awards on the shelf yeah on our shelf if i won a sports award i would put that on the shelf because that would be really kind of like sure thing like a olympic medal yeah if i if i snuck an olympic medal just got really good at javelin for a minute. Yeah. Or got awarded it for. I don't know. I've said this on the mic before, right?

This is maybe potentially a five timer. There was a rumor I had heard that that was Cynthia Erivo's goal. What? Was to be the first EGOT winner with also an Olympic medal. Oh, I love that. She's very, very athletic. She is. Yeah.

She's fit as hell. But you could pick up like a Ge Gina Davis archery kind of thing. I remember when I was doing track and field because I was deeply unathletic. I would always pick the ones where you were most stationary. Right, the ones for running. Yeah, yeah, the shot put. Shot put. Which doesn't make any sense.

The hammer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shot put's a great medal to win. Not to bring up that you're from Saskatchewan again, but you are from Saskatchewan. Did you skate? Was there hockey? I didn't play hockey, but I skated in hockey skates. I'm a good skater.

I'm a good inline skater. Did you skate to school? Up a hill? Yeah, backwards. No, but I do rollerblade in LA, which seems like I could get an award for that. Well, that's what I should add that to the Olympics. Yeah.

You should compete. Yeah. For Canada. Do the hills of Las Feliz on rollerblades. That's. That is. It's very dumb. It's not smart.

No, no. I think it's smart and cool. Do you ever see other people? My experience, I walk more in la than most people and it feels like people view me as if i am a ghost yeah no same i remember walking in la and people pull over and are like are you okay right yeah do you need help right i are you gonna walk away from like a car crash right and so you're some days. That or like, which vegetables are you selling? It's like, that's the response.

Yeah. Yeah. No, biking in LA too, which is another thing I do. Also, and I feel like anybody I see that's on bike, we like nod to each other. We're like, hey, we're doing it. But this is what's weird about this. And this is, of course, a mountain movie. So this is, we're actually making a really seamless, intentional segue back into the

ostensible subject of this episode. People love fucking hiking in L.A. It's the number one thing they all like to do. Right. And then you talk about walking anywhere where people are. Right. Where places are. They go to a place to walk.

And they act like you are demented. Right. You got to go hiking. You got to go to this place and then we'll walk. Right. You're not just going to like walk to In to the top walk back right but if you're walking with intent to actually accomplish something up nope silly silly i got nothing i don't want to i don't want to start another new york la beef on this podcast right now they're different in a lot of ways what i've noticed a couple and if i can actually take up my notebook here do you like la.A.? Yeah.

Are you happy in L.A.? I do. Yeah. You're not like tempted when you're here. Like, oh, New York City. Big Apple. Never sleep. It's a lot.

It's a lot for my little system. You're doing a Broadway play right now. Yeah. This is the second Broadway play you've done. And are these the two longest periods you've been in New York? That you've lived in New York? Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

When I did network, that was like a year. Yeah, right. That was like a crazy long run. People wanted to see them. It's a hit. It sold out every night because of Bryan Cranston. Cranston. Bafo Bio.

Yeah. Yeah. That was the cram bone effect. And he calls it that, and it's copyrighted. It's that cram bone effect. Knocks on your dressing room, check the box office. They said it's still cram boning out of the store. What that crambo knocks on your dressing room check the box office they said it's still cram boning out what is crambo i don't think he knows that's what i call him it's one of the crambo yeah you need it every day dap him up like hey crambo i do a lot of bad impressions on the

show like on the spot for the opening you know when i butchered the quotes character there's like three impressions i have that are good and one of them is uh brian cranston and uh trumbo have you seen trumbo yeah yeah i'm trying to write in the bathtub how do you feel about that i love it thank you i love it like that it also echoed like you were in a bathtub you have to well you got to project so far yes splish splash um so you're you're in town uh you're not in you're in town you're in a play called grey house but you're in town in new york city uh and for a long time i wanted to get you on the podcast wow um and throwing out a lot of things you're someone who in a way i find endearing oh no every time we've had the conversation you've been very self-conscious of like i don't know if i know enough to i don't

know on that one oh for sure and i feel similarly to today no you've come in with three pages of notes yeah but this is double-sided double-sided and sort of laid out in front of you yeah just to reference i did not not color code them. Did you consider color coding? I did. Okay. I did. Because David and I would talk,

and he'd say like, yes, you, David Sims, be like, have you talked to Tatiana about possibly doing this show? I said, yes, she wants to do it. Because what movie does she want to do? And I said,

Tatiana's answer is usually assign me homework. Right, right. Well, because here's the thing. I go out with you and Brendan. Your husband, Brendan Hines. My husband, Brendan Hines. Friend of the show, past and future guest.

Yeah, and the two of you. So handsome. So handsome. He's so handsome. And he's an absolute doofus, too, which is the best part. He's a silly Billy. He is a goofball. But the two of you talk about films in this way that I'm like, this is a different language.

These are references to things within the industry that i don't understand and you guys get plot which i find very difficult you mean sort of just the general plot of a movie you're like i'm here for vibes i'm here for performance like i'm here for like little moments i'm like oh whoa like I don't know or like I find plot which is why this movie is a little daunting to me yeah because this movie is incredibly plotty

although I don't think it's that important this is the thing with Kurt Chamberlain's book is it's like there's a lot of dense plotting but also it's so much more about vibes and emotion

and character arcs right and he'll often present it out of order right and then you're sort of like am I supposed to be keeping track of all these people he likes the narrative puzzle he likes the surprise but it's like that's not actually what

it's about though well interestingly to our detective the plot he sort of decides what the plot is like he in so many ways kind of erases the plot right do you know what i mean and goes for vibes himself makes a decision to leave. He does. What's your favorite movie, though? Or what's a movie you throw on? I would throw on A Woman Under the Influence often. Hell yeah. Yeah.

I've seen it probably 40 times. Maybe we should do Johnny's thing. We should. Hey, Tatiana, I want you to know, before you start to give him credit for suggesting that I pushed it many times and David's response is always not my guy he's not no I like Cassavetes he's more your guy he is absolutely

more my guy I'm just saying don't give David brownie points I think he's got a brownie point I pushed that up a hill you're amazing David I would love I mean come on back for the're Under the Influence. The one I feel like you told me after the fact we should have had you on for, although it was a great episode and a great guest, but that you're like no Nightmare Before Christmas backwards and forwards.

I do. I do. Yeah, I really, really do. Like I can quote it. There's a few movies that I've seen so many times that I can quote them. I assume that was sort of a seminal childhood film for you it was yeah yeah for sure right but even like there will be blood is one that i've seen probably like 50 times it's one that i'll like put on just to watch a scene and then i kind of get sucked in i can't but i knew there would be movies like that for you right

if you're going for vibes or moments or whatever right like. Like movies where you're like, let me put this on. Yeah. But I'll say this too. I think you are very self-effacing in underselling your ability to talk about film. Do you find it cringe? No, no. Because no, I've had so many great conversations with you about movies. And I think, and look,

this is a thing I perhaps said about other guests before on the podcast. But I think you are one of the few actors I know who I think can really talk about acting intelligently and unpretentiously in a way I find interesting and engaging. And I've said that about other actors who have been guests on the show. But the reason is those are the only actors i want on the show there are a lot of actors i know who i don't really like movies sure sure and cannot talk about acting at all it's tough to talk about it's a tough thing to talk about like if i ever interview actors i have no idea what to ask them and i think they often are like i don't really know what you want me to tell. Yeah. About however this works or whatever. It's a little elusive, for sure.

I think, no, sorry, what were you going to say? No, but I was going to say, even Brendan and I were talking about it, like watching this film with subtitles also like changes the way that you do watch performance in a way. And I felt like seeing it, because I've seen it now twice, in the first time,

I mean, I was still struck by the performances. By how, especially our lead dude, just like his beautiful, like intense focus on her. Just how he sees her. You can feel it in a way that's so visceral. But also, in this way, and perhaps it's in the dossier of research that jj pulled up but watching it this time in particular i was really wondering how much good movie to see twice yeah absolutely the first time is very overwhelming in terms of you're like how much should i be yes following uh the the narrative here yeah yeah yeah um go ahead no i i think the whole thing

that's so fascinating about tangway's performance in this movie is that it is playing with that where it's like when you watch a foreign language film, whatever your native language is, any film that is not in that where you're watching a performance with subtitles in a language you do not understand. How are you judging that performance, you know? And I think in a certain way, it's like, well, that really shows you what acting is. It's not about just like line delivery on a surface level, right? It's so much of an energy. It's such a visual thing, especially in filmmaking and like connection points and whatever.

And you can kind of hear the inflections and the emotionality of a line without understanding the words that are being said. But this is like a movie that is about that because for half of the movie the lead character cannot really speak directly to the female lead character uh either she is translating herself in real time they're communicating over text message you know like he's processing her trying to suss out whether she's for real or not in the way that we kind of view a performance in a foreign language. Sure.

Totally. And is she giving a performance? Right. How much? Yeah. Is she playing him? Right. And is that like is is him not understanding what she's saying?

Obfuscating it is him. Is her writing in the written word rather than looking in the eye obfuscating something, you know, all that sort of stuff. Yeah. I was reading about the subtitle translator. And it was really interesting because the lines are so precise, but they don't translate directly. So the line about where she's like Google translating, basically, the thing about bring me the heart of that kind detective, or bring me the head of that kind detective or bring me the head of that kind detective it's actually in the original script it's supposed to be the heart physical right right

is what he hears but but the metaphorical heart is what she means but we don't have two words for that right yeah right so it had to be like something more intense like his head to be like impactful enough or even like the later scene with the second husband where he's sort of drunkenly texting on the bridge and it's filled with typos you're like how do you as a translator translate typos right you know what's the right letter to drop what's the right misspelling there's a lot of, yeah. I mean, this,

this is a movie about a translation. It means a communication. Communication golfs. Honestly. Yeah. Right. It's also just a sort of simmering noir, sort of a throwback.

I feel like we don't get movies like this enough anymore. Genuinely sexy movie without being even like particularly lurid, but it's just so hot. Yeah. And I remember last year that being kind of a narrative of like, you know, movies aren't hot anymore. Right.

Like this is, this is a movie with like real tension, sexual tension. Yeah. Well, having fewer sex scenes than a lot of his movies are often more lurid. And the sex scenes aren't the sexy parts of this movie. No, they're like the least sexy.

They're like where the sexiness is removed. They're routines. They're like toothbrushing. I saw this in theater. Yeah, did you guys see it when it came out? It's on theaters, yeah. I saw it at the Brattle, I think, in Boston. Was it the Brattle? It was like a great

old theater. Yeah, Cambridge. The Brattle, yeah. brattle i think in boston was it the brattle it was like a great old theater old rep that is a yeah cambridge uh the brattle yeah it might have been the brattle and if it wasn't shout out to the brattle because i love you got me shout out either way we should say also this movie was in the united states released by movie that's true for one of our sponsor of the show most faithful sponsors but the beginning of their theatrical distribution Yeah And I feel like it was a bit of a sleeper hit Yes

It was unfairly snubbed for an Academy Award He has never gotten nominated? That's kind of right His movies are very shocking In a lot of genres Sure But I did feel like this was his chance This is a mystery movie

This is the kind of thing people want But it was sort of a hot year I guess They have submitted him It was the first time They had submitted him That's wild It's a country that makes a lot of movies It's not like

And his buddy Bong He's got to constantly go up against. Bong has only been submitted twice for Mother and Parasite. Wow. Okay. Parasite won. Remember? Yeah.

Best picture. Best director. Best screenplay. So, yeah. Let me give you some context then about this film. So, he's making this after The Little Drummer Girl. So, he's just worked after The Little Drummer Girl. So he's just, you know,

worked on his first television show. It was American or English or, you know, it was English language. Because there's a six year movie gap. But I imagine The Little Drummer Girl is taking up a lot of that time. Yeah. He got attached to a very famous blacklist script,

a notorious blacklist script. Stoker 2. Called The Brigands of Rattle borge okay which is written by s craig zahler oh yes uh the you know provocateur yes uh of independent film i don't know if you've heard of s craig zahler um man with the world's tightest ponytail he makes these incredibly gnarly indie sort of thriller i don't know i used to see him at sweet sweet green all the time and really yes and i would bowl you told me i would text you and you would say i'm surprised you can recognize as craig zahler and i would just always say his ponytail is so tight that first you go what's up with this guy so a tight ponytail like tight up

here like is he getting tension alopecia at the front? It looks like someone's drawn his hair because it's so like stretched. It's slicked and it's just like straight lines back. It's like how a kid draws hair. Yes. Yes. So that's like a Western, you know, that I'm sure is quite violent. Breakout spec script. Right.

That's never been made. Right. Right. He makes all these movies where people get like sawed in half or like their face gets smushed and you're like. Or they just like eat a tuna salad sandwich for 15 minutes. Right, but then they're also like two and a half hours long. Right, exactly. It's all.

He's. He is a very interesting filmmaker. Yes. Yes. I got to see this ponytail. Yeah, I'll show you the ponytail. Yeah. Okay.

You know that thing that where you see someone in person and you're like, that person's striking. And then the more you look at them, you're like, oh, they're somebody. They have to be. They couldn't just be anybody. Right. I'm trying to find a picture of him. I mean, you can kind of see it here. I just feel like it's gotten tighter over time.

It looks tighter in person, too. It doesn't somehow totally triangle. But you can sort of see the intensity of how tight it's been pulled here that would hurt it looks like he pulls the pony and then gels it if that makes sense oh well as a former ballet uh prodigy that's what it looks like you're a ballet prodigy no i was a ballet but i know i know about ponytails i know about pulling those back so that you're crying. That is what it looks like. It looks like ballerina hair.

When do you start ballet? I have a daughter. Four. Okay. If you want to. Maniac. Yeah. You don't have to do that.

My daughter's going to be very tall, though, and I know it's tough to be a tall ballerina. It's tough to be in any ballerina that's not made of a toothpick. Not very, very small. David's wife is also over six feet tall we've made a tall they are america's tallest couple and i am just constantly terrified of how few days i have left until she is taller than me were we talking about how taller people have more value yeah we were is it me and you that we're saying it's the ultimate currency in the broken world yeah that's right and why we. Yeah Yep, your height is listed as five four. Is that correct?

Brandon is quite tall as well. He thought I was five eight. He described me to a friend as five eight You have five eight energy because you sell it. But do you mean he has you also? I have this is a tall man. Yeah, I'm kind like, who knows how tall any of these small people are? Yeah, what are you, 5'8"? Sure. These little beeping things running around. I can barely detect them at all. They're scuttling around my feet.

Yeah. I always think I'm the same height as anybody I'm standing opposite. And then I see a picture and I realize. But I do have like a feeling of I'm making direct eye contact with this person on the same level, regardless of their height. You were the other day, you were wearing quite tall boots. Yeah. And then we were standing in the street outside a restaurant and you went, do you want to see my impression of when I talk to Brendan? Which I thought that's a weird thing to say when Brendan is right there.

And then you walked over to scaffolding. This is Brendan did this. No, didn't you do this? This is my impression of Tat talking to me. I thought you did this. Okay. There was a lot of doing this happening. There were a lot of bits happening. Yeah. Aggressive bitters, the two of you.

Good. Especially like a physical bit. Brendan walked over to scaffolding where there was a sign placed very high and he basically jumped up and down like a small dog trying to talk to the sign that is very funny impression of his wife right talking to him the woman he loves um who's your tallest coaster is it annoying to act alongside a very tall person you're not even that small though i don't know

you put him in heels you put him yeah you do-Hulk is all about you got real big. Well, that's true. And there was a physical, there was an actress on set who was sort of like the height, eyeline, reference double. That's right. She's 6'7". Yeah, she's 6'7". God damn. She would like sit in a chair to like show us how her body might, you know, sit in like a chair that is made for somebody who's not as tall as she is.

Right. But then I was on platforms too. And I had like a big face on top for somebody who's not as tall as she is right but then i was on platforms too and i had like a big face on top of my head on a stick it was truly like my face like it was green and it was like she hulked out and it was like this or there was this dead mask that they put on sometimes that had like little silver eyeballs. Okay. And it was like truly like dead face. And that would be up here too. So my co-stars they're the ones who really

made it happen. Did you feel more powerful being on those like stilts? I felt more like a big baby than ever before. The feeling was like yeah like doo-doo-doo. which kind of works it works uh no i just don't think about this stuff until i have to think about it you don't think that an actor's going

park wants to go back to korea that's the thing as much as he's getting attached i think it's like i think the whole thing is like hollywood is like we want you you know like you clearly are a good genre director wildly out of order but it's stoker hand stoker handmaiden drummer girl this right and handmaiden is korean film obviously but that was the partly funded i think by amazon amazon stoker's his only american film and the little drummer girl was american and i think maybe made him co-production but sure english language um but so he's homesick he wants to make a korean film he starts brainstorming ideas with chung seok young his uh frequent you know uh co-writer uh he has two ideas one he has a detective story idea uh and he's like, I don't want to do something about like a macho mystery cop, right?

You know, who's like swearing and smoking and punching people. So instead he starts to come up with this character in Decision to Leave. His concept is a police officer who doesn't carry a gun, but instead carries wet wipes, right? Like this sort of like weird, courteous kind of cop um a gentleman cop right uh he's also very interested in my goodness a korean 1967 uh hit song called the mist yeah uh which uh is about a protagonist

who's trying to understand the world around them Do you know about this? Well this factors prominently into the movie Yes You know and This is a song he's loved since he's little It's a song apparently all Koreans know And sing

And he was homesick Making the little drummer girl And started listening to Korean oldie Like playlists on youtube and this song came up and yeah tragic love song someone leaving into the mist looking at the silhouette of the person who left her behind uh deeply romantic all this stuff does martin beck come in later uh so martin beck is more attached to the former concept of the like can i make an anti-macho cop?

Gotcha. You know, which, yeah, those are these Swedish, sorry, Swedish novels. You know,

anyone can mispronounce words. It isn't just a Griffin thing. Swedish. Horrible. Gross word. And, you know, anyway,

so yeah, that is interesting because I remember when this movie was announced, you were like, well, what is it? And they were like, it's like an original You know crime thriller

But like I do love This sort of myriad influences He's sort of like swirling together He had done a couple adaptations In a row And with Stoker He's like taking someone else's script Or whatever

This is the first time he's completely originating something. I have not seen Stoker. Stoker kind of fucks. I would definitely watch Stoker. We both think it fucks. I think Brendan hates it. It's a very divisive movie. And I shan't be watching it in our house.

Brendan has strong opinions. Yes. Okay. So he smashes all these ideas together. Mm-hmm. So basically, what if Martin Beck, this Swedish police officer character, falls in love with, like, the lady from The Mist, sort of, right? Like, that's sort of what he does.

So it's not quite a detective story. It's not quite a romance. It's both. Yes. You know, it's also a sort of mystery noir. Like, who can you trust? I don't know. I loved thinking about this creative process. I just think it's cool a sort of mystery noir like who can you trust i don't know uh i loved thinking about this creative process i just think it's cool yeah it does i i don't watching it for me

the second time uh-huh it did feel like uh and i i don't know if this is just my read-on to it but i'm like i feel like this movie is fundamentally about like what makes you attracted to people, you know, like what, why do you feel inexplicable connections with certain people, you know, and the whole like, uh, red flags,

you know, red flags in this one. Yeah. But like people, uh, when relationships and if there is a demonstrable bad thing that happens or revelation about the other person or whatever on any scale, right? Even a small scale. I just couldn't deal with this aspect of their personality

behavior. It always feels like the first thing that people in your life ask you is, did you always feel that? When did you pick up on that? When did you get a sense of this? You know, and like, I've certainly been in relationships where I'm just like all red flags identified at the starting line. For sure. But here's this undeniable thing. Can I just play this out? Yeah. You know, does this outweigh that?

Yeah. whose job is to just like kind of clinically assess things and just completely reason them out and who has a relationship that seems by and large very happy and functional and normal but there is just something about this woman and it's not just about her because it's not like she's like a Catherine Tramiel sort of like seductress in a conventional sense but it's like there is some undeniable thing between them and it's obviously just a thing that is also compelling about her and how she's able to live her life right he says that he can't reason out that he can't really explain her posture at one point he says your posture is very upright and i think that says some so much about

you i'm so curious about what because because that's those things that like, he's like written a whole story about who she is. Right. And like, regardless of what she shows him, regardless of how often she's like at the scene of a crime, obviously like completely the one who did it. He like has this story like protects

or like he rewrites it or he like i his job is also of course to be observant and try to understand people's motivations that they would be hiding right and all that and i do think that's short-circuited him slightly right yes yes and so it's partly about that experience right there's that amazing early sequence when he's uh uh sleeping with his wife and he starts like the sex they have is hilarious yes or she's just like anyway yes like he sees the greek of your chair was exactly right i think it's so funny that she's smiling in this way of like this is great like you know good job buddy yeah after she's smiling in this way of like, this is great. Like, you know, good job. Yeah. Like that was great. We're really good.

Yeah. Happy marriage. But even just the weird, right. The weird structure of their relationship being because he's a commuter, they basically live in different towns. It's like a once a week arrangement. High five.

Right. Yeah. Makes some noodles. No, there's, I think it's the first sex scene they have together where he's looking at the mold on the wall and then it morphs into like he can't stop thinking about his case. He can't stop his brain from constantly looking for patterns, clues, connections.

Then he's looking at her skeleton, her arm, basically, and trying to relate it to the injuries that Tongwei has where it's just like he's too observant about everything. He thinks about everything too deeply and this woman who is somewhat inscrutable is so exciting to him because he can't quite crack it. Yeah, because there's this thing about him looking at things directly. Yeah.

And he puts those droppers in his eye all the time before he goes into a crime scene or whatever to, like, see things clearly. Get them moist. Yeah, yeah, get to wet them up, lube them up. But he, like, doesn't... Something about her, and I think that I also felt this in watching her performance,

there's, like, this smile that's always just about to break in her, regardless of what they're talking about or like how earnest she's being there's always like this weird like what is actually what's actually being what's going on and i feel like that inability to like see her directly is is like where he gets totally fucked he is pretty much immediately totally fucked. Yeah. There's a, I feel like I've already referenced this at some point in this miniseries, but Steven Soderbergh and David Fincher did a talk together at the Tribeca Film Festival.

And Soderbergh told this story about going to the edit or color correction with Fincher on one of his movies, watching him work. And he, they were like sort of watching and he was like with a laser pointer noting. And he's like up there in like the top left corner. He's like, I want 25% more darkness in this sector of the screen.

Right. Or even like he was like two 15ths darker. Something like hyper precise. Right. And Soderbergh was like, I walked out of the room, sat on the couch in the living room and like rubbed my temples and i was like i cannot imagine the curse of being able to notice that like this is exactly what makes him such a good filmmaker but it must be so

constantly over stimulating to have that ability to suss out detail to that degree which is like absolute what's happening to this guy too he kind of can't turn it off at any point. Yes, he takes in too much or whatever. He's been doing it for too long. And that is, it tends to be a Park protagonist thing. These people who feel too much, observe too much, feel too deeply. Their

senses are all kind of heightened often. Alright, so Park takes this idea that I just told you about to his co-writer, Who is a woman She writes all her movies I think that's legal I think that's legal Women should write movies

He takes it to her And she says no thanks I don't want to do this Which is a woman's choice We have to respect She says I said no I didn't want to write a melodrama about An abused woman that was sort of her insta

Reaction to him pitching this kind of like Noir romance And she sends back some thoughts of like I don't want to do it and he's like okay well what do you think Of this and then they start talking and then She's like fuck he like tricked me into Writing a synopsis He's got me invested

She And he immediately agreed They wanted Tong Wei Who's a Chinese actor obviously Third time we've covered her on the podcast Between Lost Caution and Black Cat That's right She's awesome

They wanted her They say they usually do not write with an actor in mind uh in particular but uh they uh just thought her face they thought about her face immediately i always feel like she's a shut box and you can't guess exactly what's inside she is inscrutable in a very interesting way without seeming uh deliberately elusive no she's not cold. No. Right. There's a lot happening. No, it sort of looks like she's about to cry half the time.

Like, yeah, she does feel very empathetic or like you feel like you want to tell her stuff. Right. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You want to buy her really fancy sushi. Less caution is really good. A lot of people have seen it. It's not a big well-seen movie. I love a bummer. But it's a movie about basically she has to seduce a man as an act of political espionage. And the whole movie hinges on like, is she falling in love with him?

Is it real? When is that moment? When can she discern? You know? So she does this. This actor does this. And he doesn't quite know. And she doesn't quite know. And as an audience member, you're left to decide. At any point, does this. This actor does this. And he doesn't quite know, and she doesn't quite know.

And as an audience member, you're left to decide, at any point, does this become real? Uh-huh. You know? Yeah. And it is, yeah, it's one of those performances that's just deeply, immediately captivating. And that was pretty much her first performance, right?

Yeah. Yeah, that was her breakout. So Park Hae-il Who is the Cop The detective He's worked with Park before No maybe not actually he's in the host The Bong Joon-ho movie He's a big Korean actor

No I guess he never had worked with Park before Okay he is also basically Cast before the movies even He's writing it for the two of them Yes he is very quickly Brought on board he brings in these two actors as they're continuing to write and he says like if you don't want to do it we're going to stop writing because we've basically just started writing with you guys in mind wow um park had never park hale had never worked with park 10

work they're both park uh uh before um And thought maybe they were just going to chat Like he was like you know And before they ordered food Park Ten worked apparently just like talks for 90 minutes Being like this is the movie in my head Like listen and tells him the entire thing And Park Hale says

I really needed to pee about halfway in I was so Immersed in what he was saying, I didn't want to interrupt him. So I just let him talk. I've always loved Tong Wei since Less Caution. So yes, he was interesting. I just like that idea of like the fever and pinch and the guy's like, I have to pee so badly.

When's he going to stop talking? That is the sweetest. That also just reminds me of like how the human moments that he brings to this that are so, I don't know, something about that is like so human. The second half of the movie in particular, I feel like he really has like a sad puppy dog vibe. When you're really like, buddy, oh God, you really, no, you did it. You got away from her. But it's not like a self-pitying performance. No, no.

You're truly just like, this guy doesn't... Is someone helping him out? Can someone else inter... And then I'm also kind of in the movie, I'm like, ride the lightning. Who cares? Your wife is boring. Ride the lightning is a great way to describe

what this movie's about. Riding lightning. Ride the lightning. So Park and his co-writer Chung do make the conscious choice Let's have less violence and sex Than we usually put in our movies You know

Because they usually think of that as You grab the audience right away With stuff like that And instead they were like no let's try to Get away from the sort of extreme label Well I also think if you make This same movie with more sex it very quickly comes becomes a joe ester house movie right like we've seen the

version of the 90s erotic thriller where the seduction is more physical than mental and is graphically displayed on screen and it just it will just shift into that also like as soon as they have sex it sort of destroys the thing yes totally because then right no totally um but the other thing they really wanted to use was um cell phones which like movies are scared of i'm scared of them in movies and in real life yeah i don't like them at all throw them away um i loved the texting in this movie. And I will never say that about anything else because it's like it's done so beautifully. It's not even like I don't even think he has made casting texting more cinematic than other people as much as he found a way to make it more dramatic. Right.

Totally. Apparently, he was basically like, look, I'm writing classical. it more dramatic right totally apparently he was basically like look i'm writing classical right he kept trying to not have cell phones because he's like this is supposed to be a swoony throwback noir right and then he's like i can't get rid of cell phones so if i'm gonna have them you got i'm gonna lean all the way into them i'm gonna have this like real drama playing out in text messaging in like whatever just the minutiae of using that's where the language divide is such a gift for him but there's there's that's where the language divide is such a gift for him. But there's been so much talk about this recently where someone basically pinpointed like,

oh, kind of like the six major auteur filmmakers have not made a movie set in present day in 15 years. Like they just tracked like Wes Anderson. A lot of them haven't. PTA. Like all these guys have just moved away. And admittedly they're like i just don't know how to tell a story in a world where smartphones exist

yes and soderbergh is one of the few guys who like head straight into it and it's like you gotta make movies about now you have to find a way to work this into the language you know well i feel like in this one it actually like amps up how much how sort of emotionally immature the like they're texting when they're texting about like the gram, the granny that she can't go see. And he's like, do you want me to go? And she's like, really? And it's like, I don't know. It just sounds like when you're first dating someone or interested in someone, it has such a kind of embarrassing childlike quality to it. Text flirting is such a specific thing where you're trying to read energy and intent in

what is a very flat, sterile, cold thing. Yeah. Right? Yeah. cold thing. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And the things you do to performatively try to relay intent can feel disingenuous. Or fake, it's like a dishonest way of communicating for how emotional it has become for most of us. And even just the weird the rhythms of it, the waiting, all that sort of shit. But there is that thing of like, if you're text flirting with someone, I feel like you are visualizing what are they doing right? Yeah.

In a way you don't if you're like texting someone. The dots. The dots. The dots. I mean, there's so much like drama and weight to just watching someone. Well, and also the rhythm of like, how much do I say before they say something back? Oh, they're typing. Oh, I can't talk.

Or I start to say something. Oh, wait, they just sent in two more messages that totally negates what I was about to say. Yeah. That is all like playing out in this really well. Yeah. And the dots like go over his face. There's like a point of view from the phone

of the dots on his face. And you realize like how much, like that it takes up more of the frame than his face does it's just like what the import of those is Park Chenwick he says yes I like Alfred Hitchcock but honestly I wasn't thinking of Vertigo

he's a director coming up on the podcast podcast about filmography he says I think everyone basically is interviewing him being like, is this like a Vertigo thing? Are you doing Vertigo? Vertigo? Vertigo? And he's like, yeah, sure, I love Vertigo.

But no, that wasn't my conscious influence here. He says Brief Encounter, the David Lean film, is more what he's thinking of in terms of vibe. Like romantic vibe. GSA is weirdly more brief encounter a little bit like yeah sure and then again of course this song uh that is so crucial to him

uh and then read the ending um because this movie has kind of an iconic ending he says i have been trying to put that as the end of a movie for so like 30 years uh and i finally figured out how to do it Like a person being like I'm not just going to commit suicide I'm going to put a hole in the earth And put a lid on it And you will never see me again

I will evaporate Like that idea of complete kind of like Closed loop Yes Yeah And so he sort of He was He thought about putting an epilogue On the film where you see

The detective again As this sort of like Shell of a person and he was like no Like we'll just end it right there He's shelled out on that beach Yeah you think he just kind of is like Alright I'll sun myself After a while he's like I guess she's gone

Maybe I'll dip That's my favorite kind of ending though is just, what the fuck is this character going to do with the rest of their life? God, what now? I don't want to see it but I'm never going to stop thinking about what is this guy how is he feeling a month from now?

You know? Right, so yeah. Let's talk about the plot of the movie. Guy falls off a mountain go go? yeah go hit me point of view from dead man's eyes a couple times we see like weird dead people's point of view

of like ants crawling on eyeballs which is what the heck you don't like that? I'm just saying I personally don't like when ants crawl in my eyeballs. I like in the movie. That's a good technique. Wait, didn't you say you don't like POVs?

No, this was another person I was talking to. But you were around. You were standing nearby. Okay. Do you like POVs? Yeah, wouldn't use well. I think, I mean, once again, it's like Park is such a sensual filmmaker and sense-based filmmaker that I do think when he's doing POV shots, it's for a real reason.

In the running? The POV shots? Yes. It's like on their shoulder. I don't even know how they shot it, but it's like on their back. He is also the king of, I don't know how they did this shot. Like, every one of his movies has like five shots where you're like, I can maybe game out how you did this, but it's too complicated to imagine.

Yeah. Or you're doing visual effects, which this movie has a lot of that are so seamless and subtle, like, you know, that I'm not even thinking about them until the camera fucking goes through a wall or something. And then you're like, oh, I guess Jesus. I read a thing he said that he like deliberately tried to do many of the text sequences from the POV of the phone, which he doesn't do. And like, I feel like sometimes people do it. So you're seeing someone's dumb face like with like illuminated. Yeah, but also it's just like, right. Because for that, it is sort of like it's a shot reverse shot.

Yeah. It's a conversation. Sure. You know, you need to read their faces. It's just this one device in between the two of them basically it's the same he does the same with the phone when when he's on the stakeout and then suddenly he's like inside of her house and her voice is over the phone but he's in the room with her right and it's like he's so invaded he's so inside of her space but also that's how he has to think about everything like being with like as a detective he's a creep right he's he's invading her right it's that yeah it's a little pervy it's a little pervy i mean

he's getting his rocks off on it but you also just imagine i imagine at least that's his basic technique of like someone's telling you a story you place yourself in it right right you run through the simulation in your head and you go does this make sense is this plausible right right right because a guy has fallen off of a mountain that he climbed on correct he was an immigration officer right and his wife was a chinese immigrant right she's got scratches on the back of her hand. They later discover she also has bruises in several parts of her body. Right. And a pretty odd tattoo. Yes.

With his initials. Yes. Which he also stamped on everything he owned. Yes. A real kind of branding property sort of vibe. Creepiness. Yep. And so if you're a detective you probably are like she pushed him off the dang mountain right seems kind of open and fresh movie over

and um you know i'm seeing this film i haven't seen a park john roach film since the handmaiden which blew my mind none of us had by the way don't fucking make it sound like that you were special in that regard i'm sitting at the ifc center at my press screening and i'm rubbing my hands together i'm like great a mystery and we got that early shot of him and his uh sidekick climbing up the mountain horizontal oh yes doing like the fucking adam west batman shot on this like winch yeah and the guy's like why have where are we not going up the road like in a car yes and he's like this is how the body went the other way but you know i think like that's his notion of like we have to we should follow the body now be my human backpack

yeah it's extra funny that they're doing it in tandem and the one guy is strapped to the other guy yes like if you ask me to do that i would resign my commission from the fucking busan police i'd be like no i will not do that that's what i really started to love this movie that's the thing with park is like so funny 10 minutes into his movies you're like yeah i'm ready for a mystery sure who did it yeah you know who's it gonna be not the wife i guess red herring and then he's like okay these guys are climbing up mountain and i'm like i've never seen anything yeah right right the fuck is this that is the most quietly bizarre human behavior i've ever seen yeah and it will happen 10 times in each of his films right yeah um so yeah so they start staking

her out and he falls in love with her. And he likes what he sees. He likes what he sees. Yeah. But you're also sort of getting the idea that he is a deeply odd individual himself. He has this marriage that seems kind of loving, but also, you know, bizarre. They're like 16 years in. And they're kind of like, marriage is still going good, huh? Right?

What's your name again? Right? Like, they kind of have this vibe of like, I don't know this is a marriage right what we do where we sort of see each other sometimes it feels like like i'm sure we've all had this thing but when you have like friends who have a roommate who spends half the week working in a different city and you're like what's your roommate like you're like i talked to him two days a week but he's cool you know it's just kind of in and out but then they have sex as well i just think it's such a good choice to not have it be like it is like a horrible loveless right like they've got nothing

for each other no they're like kind of good friends they're kind of good pals but then he's like all right back to my city apartment where i have like pictures of murder everywhere yes while i make my noodles like i'm just that moment where she scolds him i was like none of the fucking murder pictures here that's city shit right yeah um so there's that he's got that marriage he's got his weird murder apartment um and he starts buying tongway fancy uh sushi when he interviews her which looks really good i mean the food in this movie, the like movement from like sushi to corn dog is such a nice. Yeah. See, that's I'm not a sushi guy. But when that corn dog came on screen, I went, oh, boy.

Do you not like my tie? I don't like the sushi. Yeah. Never. I'm not a seafood guy. Listening. Not a seafood guy. Do you like sushi?

Oh, yeah. And this sushi specifically, I was like, I'm going'm gonna murder somebody i just like when he brings it in you know there are other ways to get sushi i don't know not this kind of sushi you know the cops are like oh he got like the good suit he's like the 35 sushi not the like you know 14 right he got like the good stuff i do this for all my murder suspects. So, yes, he starts having these exquisite meals with her while he's also just trying to figure out her deal. Yes. And what else is going on with her?

She's a caretaker to an old woman. She's got an airtight alibi, they find out pretty quickly, because of the old woman, because of the schedule. She was there. Yes, she was care um uh yes she was she was caretaking yes um what else is going on she says the woman is her grandmother right yes uh there's another case they're trying to sell because the whole thing with the chainmail glove which is also early which is also another thing from basically the moment the episode started he's

been uh looking up different chainmail gloves on Amazon. That's correct. Oh, wow. I didn't know about this. Did you guys know about this? No. So there's tons of these products. What do you mean by these products? Chainmail gloves.

Okay. It's for like madelining. Yes. Right? Good call. Right? That makes sense. Shucking oysters. right um let's see

any kind of meat processing that makes sense they're slicing like fish fine this particular product that i sent a link to you guys uh i think i needed to show someone handling a chainsaw yeah and holding it by the blade wow yeah yikes the amazon listen i'm sorry Look at Bite the Blade. Wowch. Yeah. Yikes. This is the Amazon listing. I'm sorry. What were those three sounds? Could you repeat? I think you know those three sounds. Wowch, wowch, yikes. I heard them.

I heard them. But don't you agree? I do agree. I also feel like I have to measure my palm. I'm just wondering if I need an XL or a double XL. I got kind of regular sized hands, I think. You should probably go bigger than smaller. Smaller would be horrific. Because it's chain mail. it's got a 2x small i don't i don't know how dainty you

want to go pretty apparently the actor like sort of talks to a couple friends of his who are policemen right you know he's like i'm playing a cop you know and uh one retired cop is like i have you know what i've got i got a chainmail club oh no way uh and so specific yeah that's the thing i mean when he's chasing this guy which is this sort of an unrelated case yes this is this scene right this big chase they get to a rooftop the guy produces a knife and instead of like drawing a gun or I think maybe they don't have guns in Korea that much. There's one gun that his partner has. Doesn't he have a... And they shoot guns off the top.

The first Roman is them shooting. They do. The cops have guns. I think South Korea has incredibly strict gun control generally. So I guess it's more common for a guy to produce a knife. He just very slowly and deliberately takes out and applies a female glove. And he's like, well, I guess it's the classic I guess, more common for a guy to produce a knife. He just very slowly and deliberately takes out and applies a female glove. And he's like, well, I guess it's the classic battle of hand versus knife.

Yeah. So I can just grab the blade. Yeah. Like, but it's also on the heels of my favorite chase scene I've ever seen in my entire life, which is like up those stairs. And it's so exhausting. And it's so slow. Yeah.

And nothing about it is suspenseful. And yet it's like brilliantly suspenseful yeah and what's funny is like the moment of him having to take out the glove and put it on could be sold as like this like slow sort of stare down intimidation thing right but it's basically he has the time to do it because they're both so winded. They're both panting. Okay, okay. I got a knife! The perp pulling the knife is him kind of saying like, so just give me like 90 seconds to catch up. Now that you know the knife's in play.

That's so good. But yes, I agree. I love that the chase sequence is trying to be realistic. It's trying to be like, this would fuck you up! I just I personally would wear a chain mail vest i don't think i would have enough faith in myself that i could catch knife with hand no before it touched other body why not go full suit of armor that is what all cops should be wearing at all times while running up yeah lance in hand some other things uh wait actually some other details i want to talk about uh he has

so many pockets um and this is again apparently a park idea like the sort of wet wipe detective idea like he would be filled with little things you know like a walking vending machine of a man who's like because he's like i can plan for anything right like it's his concept and are you saying more chain mail maps okay now it's a vest chain mail vest how much does that cost it's it's a hundred bucks dollars that guy looks ready to go you know what what that's not a bad price for a chain mail vest Well the shipping though You know cause it could be

So heavy Very heavy David I think you should get it I think it would be a good look for you The chain mail met my expectations That's what one review says From Mr. Hans What were your expectations

Here's the guy wearing it on the subway I don't know how I would feel about that That's what one review says From Mr. Hans What were your expectations? That's what we need to specify Here's a guy wearing it on the subway I don't know how I would feel about that The model in the listing Ben posted Is very much in a fighting stance Yeah So yes, Park Yeah, just like the idea of this guy

Being filled with pockets And of course, yes, there's a JMO glove in his pocket The eye drops as well Him trying to see the world more clearly um that's very crucial brendan said an interesting thing about the pockets he said that his wife is always struggling to find something in his pockets whereas his mistress she always knows where everything is she understands him on some inherent level or she's just studied the pockets yeah that's fine well that's the thing that's the mind fuck of knowing this woman the whole time you're like wait are you in love with me or are you just like you just i mean there is the truth there's a tweet that i've repeated which is this that like someone's

like i love that movie it was about a lady is so hot that a detective forgets how to do his job yeah basically because yes I think what I loved about the movie the first time I watched it I was like I am going to watch a movie about a man who is sort of you know we like detectives because we like that they can fix things the whole myth of policing on screen

they're going to come in and they're going to untangle the confusing stuff they make sense the chaos right and this is a weird strange murder case and he'll figure it out and instead like he only baffles himself more the more he tries to figure things out because he adds more complications yes right uh and uh what he realizes about her is that, well, a bunch of things. One, she killed her mother, right? Yes. A sort of, you know, an ethical, you know. That's one of his colleagues that's like, look, there's a pattern.

And then she basically immediately fesses up to like, these were the circumstances. Her mother was ill. Might have been the original decision to leave. Right. Ultimately. Right. Right. Right. up to like these were the circumstances her mother was ill might have been the original decision to leave right ultimately right right right um deciding before and then her mother told her to like climb a mountain right because she's had some attachment to korea and she was like i want you to climb this mountain uh like that like there's all these like little dangling things her family's mountain right but that's things. Her family's mountain or something? That's to find out later. Her grandfather or something.

There's this possible sense of ownership of this mountain to some degree. Yeah. But she doesn't like mountains. She says something about mountains are... What does she say? She says the ocean is for blank people and mountains are for blank people.

I don't remember what the descriptors are, but it's like benevolent. I wish the quote page was better for this. Yeah. Is the quote page not very good? No. I was hoping it might be better. Me too.

Oh yeah, there's nothing. I'm Chinese. My Korean is insufficient. Great. Great quote. It's just Griffins. It's also true about me. But she does whatever

She's officially ruled It is officially ruled a suicide this death Yeah And then their relationship continues Because it's only after that that he figures out that she did it Yes correct the case is closed And he figured out That she did it because

There's a cell phone that she gave the old lady That said she climbed 138 flights i just think it's so funny yes that's great just like zero zero zero yeah and didn't really climb a lot of flights and then there's that one day the murder day you climbed like kind of like a mountain of stairs it's weird and then she also realizes that he realizes rather that that is not her grandmother no and that the woman doesn't know what day it is. So the alibi is meaningless. She doesn't know anything.

She can barely tell people apart or whatever. Yes. But she loves The Mist. She loves that song. She does love that song. Movies like this that are like fundamentally about can you trust this person or not. Right. can you trust this person or not, right?

Looking at close-ups of actors delivering lines and placing yourself in the head of the person who is having to make the judgment calls, I always find so interesting because world's most basic-ass thought, all acting is lying, right? And good acting basically boils down to how convincing of a liar is someone, right? And like method acting, this term that is thrown around so

much and that often is misconstrued and most people practice it or not actually really connected the idea of what it was at the beginning. Inner doofuses. Inner doofuses. Right. It was mostly just this idea of like, can we create a method to make it feel like we are lying less? Right. Right. To some degree, to one degree or another. Not you have to convince yourself you are this person, but how do you bring the lie closer to yourself so the truth is more on the surface? But it does still all come down to how well can you lie?

Are you lying convincingly because you're making it close to something that's the truth? Do you just know how to perform the truth? What is all of this? And so often in noir movies like this, someone is playing unreadable. Like that is the aggressive vibe they are putting out there, right?

Whereas I feel like Tongwei, to a certain degree, is playing honest. I don't think she is playing suppressing a lie. No, not, well, no. But it's hard to know. It's hard to know, but it doesn't read that way. Like she's playing suppressing a lie. No, not, well, no. But it's hard to know. It's hard to know, but it doesn't read that way. Like she's not sort of playing mysterious. No, she's playing like I have an inner life

that I haven't totally given you all of the information about yet. You understand that she's not, there's stuff she's holding back. She is also a genuinely wounded woman. Like she is the victim of abuse. Right. She is somewhat a genuinely wounded woman. Like, she is the victim of abuse. Right. She is somewhat justified in pushing this sort of dorky husband off a mountain.

Yeah. Just a hilarious way for him to die. I mean, you know. She's got a whole YouTube channel about it. Right. But there's that moment where you see it, you know, him going like, boing, boing. Yeah. And you're kind of like, kind of rocked.

The boing noise was really i feel like maybe not necessary he does like a like a end of robocop dick jones fall yeah basically yeah a full tippet stop motion fall um but it's just i feel like it's just more important it's not that it's not like who did it or why it even happened it doesn't really matter matter. You can figure that out immediately. Yeah. It's that like him actually convincing himself that she didn't do it. And then realizing she did it completely ruins his brain. He's just like, everything I've like built this brain to be is no longer functional. Yes.

If I can't figure that out. Like if I fucked this up. If I can't trust my instincts in my job that I've honed so sharply. It's like he's a chef who can't smell things anymore. He's just like, I'm broken. I don't have a palate anymore. He says I'm shattered. A palate for crime.

Wait a second. I have a great idea for a TV show. A palate for crime. The man smells crime. You did Perry Mason for HBO. Yeah. When you're on a thing like that where you understand, like, because I think i

think one of your many uh strong suits as an actor is that you're making a face like you hate that i'm about to say anything complimentary i'm not um you you are very good at like knowing what project you're in and matching the tone and the style of the thing you were in because i think you have a tremendous amount of like uh a genre tone range thank you um but but something like that where you understand like an audience is watching this as a mystery yeah right this is the way it needs to operate yes are you trying to play with an awareness of the genre you're in? Or are you just thinking about like playing the character as written? Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, I feel like when the writing is really good, it sort of evokes something, regardless of whether

you like put on top of it the idea of a genre. Yeah. It's sort of if you allow it to like move you in a certain way. Yeah. It's sort of like elicits the like move you in a certain way yeah it's sort of like elicits the i'm sure you feel that way too like writing will like open up a certain delivery or a certain space or like a quietness or whatever what's why the hardest thing to do is to act bad writing oh yeah when a script is really good even if it's complicated you're like well it's just it makes sense yeah totally and now what is the bad writing you guys have acted and if you just sort of we'll go through the idb yeah 90 90.9 i mean come on some good stuff wow but like is that when does it this is my question i. Do you really just try to like trust the instincts of like, if this is well written enough, I can just play this as it is and just invest in it emotionally and honestly?

Or working on like that show in particular, are you like, I know an audience is going to be reading every scene I'm doing, trying to figure out whether or not I'm on the level. And do I need to play with that like a game? I think sometimes you do. Sometimes I do. But I also just try to play the honesty, the truth of that moment. And I think we were sort of saying this about Tang Wei too. She's not like, she's one of those actors and I don't feel like I'm this,

but I really revere and also I'm jealous of, like especially women who can do so little and you're like like you like you could watch them forever yes because their face and their just like presence is compelling enough that you and I think this is also what this character would hit what um the detective does is like project onto her yeah a lot right and like she is sort of this like wonderfully open actor who also has all of this shit going on so that you can project a lot onto her and that's sort of the like you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah there's the thing they set up early she she like laughs inappropriately early in the movie and that she says like i'm sorry i sort of like laugh as a nervous response when I don't feel comfortable with my Korean. And it's the opposite

of what you expect someone to do in a movie like this, where it's like, oh, their give is something that makes them seem more dangerous. Right. Rather than something that deflates the stakes of the situation. Yes. It's so disarming where it does feel like her performance is kind of playing against the genre of the thing. Totally. What's weird is that she's not acting like a femme fatale. No, and I generally don't enjoy those performances. I'm kind of like, well, I don't know.

It feels like an idea of a woman that is just serving a purpose to the men's story. But this one feels like she has like a whole other thing going on that we're not privy to and like a whole like yeah like a life that isn't just like she's not just as a man perceives her would like throughout the movie or whatever right like that's the boring version of this it's just like right tells him who she is and in a lot of ways right but he's like he's like no you're actually the conflict between what he wants to think she is and what she's actually

right and he wants her to probably be more hard she's easier to handle as like oh a wronged wife who got her revenge it's like great that's a that's a story I tell as a cop all the time like yeah it does feel like pretty early on.

He's like, if she did this, she must have done it for reasons. Right. And not motive. Right. But like, it feels like this must have been somewhat justified. Even if I don't condone it as actions. It does. It feels like pretty quickly he rules out the idea of like, is she some like psychopath?

Black widow, whatever. Right, master manipulator. Yeah, there's some larger thing going on here or she is on the level. Right. Where are we in the plot now? Well, 13 months later, he, broken as a detective, has decided to move in with his wife, which is a decision a lot of married couples make to move into camp not the decision to leave decision to stay sure become a wife but he makes the decision to leave her he's like i cannot be around you like you clearly are and he like starts a youtube channel and a podcast and writes a cookbook that's all just about how much he loves his wife

uh yeah he's gone crazy yeah i would say he He's living with her in Ipoh, right? This sort of seaside town. Yeah. Away from the big city, because most of the homes are set in Busan, which is the second biggest city in Korea, South Korea. And he's depressed and he's not sleeping. And then one day at the fish market, who does he meet? But Tong Wei and her new husband.

Oh, yeah. A real fool. Yes. yes i mean instant moron right like you're one of these guys are like oh jesus like what is this twerp i can't believe we forgot to mention because it is set up earlier i mean this is when he's like it's really hitting him hard after the time jump but this movie is in the detective dormer canon of sleepy cops who can't go to sleep oh yeah he can't sleep yeah uh yes the film insomnia is what is what griffin is referencing the christopher nolan have you ever seen something uh in which al pacino is in alaska i actually have seen insomnia yeah yeah and it's just i think it was shot in canada yes, it was shot in Canada. That is right. They didn't bother to go to Alaska. It's all Pacino just going like,

I gotta take a nap. Speaking of method acting, I think he was like, I'm not sleeping. I think he didn't sleep. Yeah, it also feels like... He reads tired in the movie. Not in a bad way, but he's good.

I would not be surprised if Pacino did an interview tomorrow and said like, I haven't slept since 2001. You know? Still insomnia. Yeah. Yeah, they filmed it in British Columbia. Stewart, British Columbia.

Did you audition for that? No, but I. That would have been a little. I was a little young. Yeah. But I didn't, David, I had never put this together that you are the victim in Eastern Promises. I am. I thought you were saying that to me and i was like i'm not no we were watching the game the other night yeah red was like oh that's your rapist and i was like what he's like from eastern promises like oh yeah

oh he's in the game the game wait who is it uh he's like that um he's a great actor but yeah because you're mostly dead i'm only dead in that movie i'm i'm a diary no i'm just you're just a voice right i'm a russian and my name is tatiana oh that's why i got the part oh yeah like no one can say that their name is that convincingly unless it's true right Right. That's what we're talking about. Armin Müller. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Müller's style. Oh, right. Yes.

Yes. Spoiler alert for Eastern Promises. No good. End the game. Yeah. And also any movie he's ever in, God bless him, but that actor plays villain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice.

That's like one of your first credits, though, right? Or movie credits. I don't know. First movie credits, for sure. Yeah. It was very fun. I know that you're in right? Or movie credits. I don't know. First movie credits, for sure. Yeah. It was very fun. I know that you're in Ginger Snaps, too. You do?

Yes. I don't remember why I know that. I've only seen Ginger Snaps. I've seen Ginger Snaps one many times. The second one is a real squeakquel. Oh, shit. You guys turned into chipmunks? We did.

Were monks? Were monks. Were monks. They're monks. It's a metaphor for womanhood. You know know you turn into a chipmunk yeah um wait how did this come up oh yeah you're pointing at me saying i was the victim in eastern promises and i wasn't i was just the victim of enjoying that movie yeah guilty exactly you're actually the perpetrator right exactly i exactly. I'm having a great time. God, I love that movie. That movie rules. That movie rules.

That movie has some similarly, like, very, very human fight sequences where you're like, skin is going to be actually, like, actual piercing of skin. Viggo probably could have done with a chainmail glove. They're coming at him with, like, carpet knives. Yeah, I can think of another place He should have put the chainmail If I was looking after I think his dick survives At Easter promises

I wouldn't roll the dice on that If you had to pick one place For chainmail to be put If you were totally nude I want my eyes I don't know Don't give up my eyes You love your eyes

Yeah there you go Sure I just want to be able to see Yeah no you're right A trite desire As a film fan Sure So okay so he runs into her

Classic I love this Anytime in a movie where the dynamic is he's losing his mind and his wife is sort of like, isn't this a, I feel like I've seen this girl's picture. Like this is a, one of your cases or something, you know, she, and you're, you're, you as the viewer are trying to parse, like how much does the wife know that he's melting down right now? Right. She's back. Yeah. Right. Like this ghost has come to haunt him. Yeah. She also just pressed all the eyes of the fish. I'm just realizing

when we're talking about eyes and seeing things clearly, right? Right. She like squishes all the eyes of the fish to see which one's fresh. Something about that, right? Eyeballs, guys. Eyeballs.

If I work at a fish market, I'm like, stop squishing my fish eyes. Yeah. Just like slowly throughout the day, those eyes just... That's my job. No, but yeah, not only like in the same way, I love that the marriage is not lifeless, joyless.

Right. I love that the wife is not just like unbearably suspicious and jealous. No, the only thing she's stressed about is him smoking. Yeah. Right. That's the nightmare. It's a healthy habit him smoking. Yeah, right. That's the nightmare. It's a healthy habit. Yeah.

Yeah. But there's the bit where he comes in from outside and he's wearing just a parka shirtless over boxers. Sure. And he clearly has been smoking. And she asked him why he would have gone outside. And he has some line about like, men like me need the mist of the air fucking mist again yeah yeah i do love i would i would love to i kind of like the look of where they move i like that seaside vibe yeah go to the fish market all the time for sure it's good for you well and they say some eyes the person

said that it was like he couldn't set the whole movie in this misty City because it would be too boring He said so that's why In the second half we go into the mist Okay that makes sense Right right And also right our man now has like Full on sleep apnea has been outfitted For a mask

Right yeah I mean he can't sleep No there's also that thing about sun He says something about like Sunbathing for half an hour a day and not closing your eyes. Yeah. Which is again, eyeballs guys. Yeah. But it's a weird. Yeah.

There's all these like natural remedies for like what he there's something about his virility and like snapping turtles. Right. Sure. Yes. You know. Well well that's another case that's happening right and they're trying to show how normally there's not murder it's you know they're investigating uh soft shell turtles that got right stolen right they got dropped on the road or whatever yes um but those are supposed to help with men older men's testosterone yeah mortality morality power i'm just like that's a way that's he wants to raise some shell like is that a thing i understand that in many cultures they're like yeah you got to eat like a tiger's paw to get your boner back or whatever

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He has been mentally cucked by life He is in a ruined state She comes back One day into him seeing her Her husband is dead It's the fucking same thing is happening again He's died in a very dramatic manner This time in a pool yeah the water's been drained this guy is like a lot too from the first meeting like he's just uh coming on too strong laughs too hard makes too

many jokes guy right yeah where's the fucking oswald cobble pot coat he's just a lot of dude yeah he's a dork yeah didn't we see her get beat up before any of this plays out by slappy yes don't we and because the timeline is kind of mixed up right throughout am i wrong in that right well and then she takes her wig off and she's just like that was the agreed upon amount of time right but i'm saying this takes place before her now new husband gets murdered correct right so because we're basically like what is going on right i truly have no idea because that was the thing sorry yes we missed this slappy was asking her and he's not to be clear the ventriloquist dummy from goosebumps right but that's slappy's grandmother is the one he's taking. She's taking care of. Right. Yes. And his mother invested life,

her life savings in the fucking, you know, husband. Right. And he lost all the money. And so Slappy becomes like a potential killer. Yes. Right. He is a suspect.

Right. His character origin story is funny too, though. And he's like, I just slap. I slap, I slap, I slap Something like You can't help but slap He doesn't punch

He doesn't punch or hurt your hand He could slap for longer Also anytime anyone tried to say his name He would slap them first They're like I guess we're just going to call you slappy now If no one can even get your fucking name out He is also I think supposed to be a chinese immigrant okay well right like that is there are some nuances that are i think tougher for us to detect because they come out through

accents yes and like western viewers don't understand like oh that person's talking differently than this person any korean viewer would immediately recognize that the way she talks her korean apparently is supposed to sound, the way Park Chun-wook describes it is like sort of Shakespearean. She's supposed to sound very classical in a way that kind of would hurt your ear. Because she's trying too hard. Period films is how to learn it.

There's that scene where she describes something as solitary, when basically she means like only. It's a little flowery. And he laughs at it and she doesn't understand why because it's like it's not actually incorrect but no one would say it that way yeah um so he says he did it he's like i did it right he gets caught i don't know i mean that happens pretty quickly even though uh hey june the director detective is like no no no no you're i'm not getting fooled again she did it like she killed i've seen my hitchcock movies this is some fucking strangers on a train ship what's the arrangement you guys had yeah uh

and then he finally confronts her on this mountain of destiny yeah which i i will say i don't know if i would go there well well this is the thing do you go back to your boring wife god bless her she seems like a nice lady i'm not saying i wouldn't talk to Tong Wei anymore. I'm just saying I'd maybe pick the location. Oh, you're saying maybe I don't want to see you on a brunch. Yeah. I'm not pretending I would be able to. You like locks. Do you want to get stuck?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would, yes, I would see her. We'd go to Russ and Daughters. We would not go to a fucking mountain. And you'd have an appointment afterwards, immediately after that you had to get to. Yeah, and I'd say like, David, can you just like text me at 1245 just to like. Yeah, yeah. Right, right, right to get to. Yeah, and I'd say, like, David, can you just, like, text me at 1245 just to, like. Yeah, yeah. Right, right, right.

Make sure. Yeah. So, and she's like, I still have the phone. Because he'd given her this phone with the 138 flights or whatever. And said, like, destroy it. She's like, I still have it. Yeah. Great thing to say.

Not dramatic at all. This whole confrontation scene, which is so. Find the deepest part of the sea where's that emotionally loaded this is gonna take all day plays out while she's wearing like the headband with the light on it yes which i was like is this this is this the sun he's meant to look into for 30 minutes a day that actually doesn't help with his no sadness doesn't help with his brain. Doesn't help with his brain. I was also worried about the actor.

I was like that... For both of them. For her to just have to keep her head at a certain angle so that she wasn't blinding him the whole time during the scene. Or blinding the camera. Or him having to be blinded. It's a lot. That was the hardest scene for me.

She's, I mean, she's basically like, here's this phone. You can get me. Like, I want to fix you. Sure.

Right. You can, you can still solve the crime. And he's like, here, I want to fix you. And by fix, I mean,

make out with. Sure. Love. Sex. Fuck sex. Fuck sex. I want to do a little bit of fuck sex. First, I want to take your grandfather's ashes.

Toss them out. Get them out of here. Get them out. And then let's smooch. And then we are kind of in the endgame. In the beach game. And there are so many sort of things I have to entangle about this. Right? But is there anything else

we're missing oh can i just shout out to she young kim please who is this great little character who comes in and she's his new partner and i loved her the second she walked on screen i was like this is this is my girl i love her so much she's a comedian. She's also in a dance group. Yeah. Called, like, Five Something. She's got a cool hat. Yeah.

I just love her. I thought that casting was so interesting. Like, she's so obviously a comedic force. Right, right. I mean, I would have fun with, you know, just a TV show about him trying to be a broken-ass cop in, you know, Fishtown. Yes. Not to be, you know just a tv show about his him trying to be a broken ass cop in in you know fishtown yes not to be yeah you know right like but i do love right it's like new partner this should be like a reinvigorating moment for you yeah and he's just so done he's like so out past the point of no return um yeah but i mean i just and i was just like maybe one season every year at the end of every season the way tang wei shows back up again with a new husband and then he dies she's

like i swear i didn't do it yeah that sweeps and just like new highlights she's the the side sideshow bob of the show right right once a season there's a new plan to kill bart so she basically confesses yeah or he figured you know like she did not kill her husband she but she gave slappy the pills the sort of death pills that she used to kill her grandma right and knew he would kill her husband yes right wasn't it that she killed his mom and he said if you if something happens to my mom I'm going to kill your husband Right

She visited the mom in the hospital And right she knew that would Right that's the chain of events That's what I was trying to untangle Right it was basically Forcing It is a weird or that's just strangers on train thing

where it's like well she found someone to do the crime for her because her new husband cheated the mother out of all of her savings because he invested I mean it seems like he was just a scam artist yes exactly but she just recognized he's volatile

and vindictive enough if I push he will respond. The other thing that's happened is he found a recording of the cop saying I love you on her phone. He's like, I don't remember saying that. And she's like, well, man, you were fucking, you know, in it. Yeah. You know, because you did. But and she says i started started loving you

when you stopped loving me right basically uh and so he goes to the beach to find her and she's buried herself in the sand she's dead to make herself his unresolved case right but it's it's a it's a um she'd go in beach dig hole very dead i want to say like thrill of the suicide by beach thrill of the chase thing right but it is this thing with like with attraction romantic interest and all these sorts of things where it's like sometimes you can have the person who makes complete sense for you but the fact that they are so deeply knowable and understandable to you and available can't compete with the idea

of like, I can't solve this. You know? And not like I can't solve this murder. It does not have to be a criminal, evil, scary thing. But just when someone is constantly one step away from you, there's something being held back.

Yeah, right. And it's like she's completely drawn to his interest in her and that she can't figure out whether or not he trusts her. And the moment he gives up, she's done. Do you think she loves him? I think she does to a degree. Yeah, I think she loves him i think she does to a degree yeah i think she does but i think she also kind of loves the idea of him yeah in a different way than he loves the idea of her yes she loves the idea of him as someone where like after after he you know says like i know

you did it and i'm not going to you know bust you yeah i'm you know how do you not fall in love with that a little bit i also think uh she has look the the men her her victims are all so predictable easily manipulated right she knows how to game out getting to do what she wants and having it all line up. And here is a guy who like kind of surprises her at every turn. Yes. She thinks she's got the better of him. And in fact, he is able to come to her and say, like, I get it. And this is what I'm choosing to do.

You know, so much of her life is basically being able to run the simulation and be like, I know what fucking slap is going to do. If I do this, here are the next five steps. And boys are bad. They're stupid. Right. They're going to let her down. Right down right yeah but why does she uh die in beach why does she beach hole why why does she do it because she has a relationship with the ocean she beach holes because i think see my but i mean obviously the main reason she does it is a banger of an ending yes him. Him just like in the waves.

Park Chan-wook was like, I've always wanted to kill someone this way. And that shot of her sort of in the hole, you know, face on, like ready to go is very arresting. But it also thinks like what you were saying about, you know, she leaves him with her being his unresolved thing. Yeah, totally. It's one of those people who you'll never get over because they always text you at, like, this one time of day or night and, like, hook in a little hook. Yeah.

It's like those, and now she's just hooked him forever but i also like i don't think it is purely a like i am cursing you with this memory kind of thing this like unresolved dangling thread thing i think she also is to some degree like i i can't keep running this will catch up with me. Right. At some point, whether he decides to turn on me or not, you know, like this is is this sustainable? She doesn't want to just keep fucking murdering people. Right. Exhausted. Yes. Exhausted.

Just wants a fucking nap. She wants to make a decision to leave. But I think the other thing is she is kind of as much as she's cursing him to think about her forever. I think it's also to some degree an act of empathy for him where it's like, you know, my whole thing now. You cannot get over me. If I'm still alive, it is going to destroy your life more actively. You're just going to completely throw everything away. That's a kind way of thinking about it.

I do think in the same way where you're like, does he does she love him? And the answer is in a way. Right. Yeah. I think the part of her that loves him is just like I'm dooming him by staying alive. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Although she's not exactly going to make him feel fantastic by sand beaching.

No, this is what I'm saying, though. It's like it's a double edged sword. But also like she she's never going to feel the sense of like I got away with it. Right. Right. Because he did. I really got the idea of sand beaching as a technique in like relationships. She's sand beached.

He fucking sand beaches him every weekend. Three girlfriends in a row have all sand beached. And then it's two hours of where are you? I gotta dig, you know. I just, I never go anywhere without a shovel. It's all very dramatic. Yeah. She buried that crow.

Yeah. She buried that crow as a little bucket yes she's not a psychopath right so it's not like she does not feel remorse and i think especially knowing that she was figured out even if she is never uh uh captured even if she is never turned in, you know, even if the information is never caught by someone who would sort of close the case on her, she will forever be haunted by the fact that she was knowable. Right? right?

Both like in person, but also in like, uh, if it can be solved once, then how am I ever going to think I'm going to be able to live free of this? And then I, I think that's the other part, which is like, she feels guilt.

Yeah. It's like her taking all those photos off the wall to allow him to sleep because these pictures are screaming at him yes but she's also taking away she's the evidence but she's also yeah right she doesn't want him looking at these but it's it's also it's great complex character because we can't know her no can't know why she did it really no no and she doesn't want to know herself right she couldn't sit down and tell us really no yeah him knowing her too well scares her makes her uncomfortable but i think also it's just like she is more honestly in touch with herself if only in the sense that like they're both irrevocably broken by this by this entire series of experiences

and she just does much like she has for the whole running time of the film. I don't care if it's the dramatic thing to do. If it's the thing that is justified in the grander course of how I see the events laid out, I guess I just gotta kill myself. In the same way that she's like,

I guess I gotta kill this guy. You know? That's my read on it. I mean, we didn't touch on it too much, but I think her origins are playing into this as well um her fleeing china the way that she came over on a boat and it seemed like it was a really traumatic experience um that probably also led to her feeling pretty broken inside that whole sort of sequence of events.

Yeah, but people have to make a tremendous amount of difficult decisions in order to survive. You either then just sort of shut yourself off, put all of it

in a box and never think about it ever again, or you're going to be haunted about it for the rest of your life she says something like i was a skeleton covered in feces or something yeah like something really intense right yeah about the journey over yeah but she's just been in survival mode for so long right where you're like not even she's she's just making calculated decisions based on like what do i need to do to just stay alive stay ahead get my citizenship all of this and basically it's like she's gotten to the point where like it's done she's kind of now set and settled but also she has been figured out and she is known right and that i think, like, unbearable for her to live with.

There's something about ownership in it, too. Yeah. Like, there's something freeing about her being like, I'm going to choose to go and to not be. Yeah. Also, like, decision to leave feels like a synonym for breaking up. Mm-hmm. I broke up with him. I made the decision to leave. You know? I mean, certainly, like, in abusive

relationships, that's always the language people use of, like, I finally just, like, made the decision to leave. Because it's the hardest thing to do. Right. You're always, like, trying to put it on the other person to, like, do it for you. Make the decision for you. Yeah. Exactly. Right. Whether you're bored, whether it's painful whether

it's abusive right whether you're the problem or they're the problem the whole thing's a problem or whatever it is it's like that decision i do think metaphorically this leave i do think metaphorically this movie is sort of just about relationships attraction seduction courtship going to the beach stagnancy going to the beach. Stagnancy, going to the beach. Sandbeaching yourself. Boring sex. You know, it's like she sandbeaches herself, literally, but

it's also just like she dumps him permanently in a way he will never get over, as you said. Because she ultimately, why does she do that? Because it leaves her with the power. Ultimately, right? I like leaves her with the power. Ultimately, right? I like to go to the beach. Such a power hungry dude.

Exactly. I'm not trying to read into that metaphorically. I'm always going to the beach. David loves going to the beach. He just like takes his car and he just drives to the beach in the middle of the day. By himself. It takes his laptop. Really? Oh, this is real he just

writes shit on the beach sometimes you ever seen someone sand beach themselves or just someone next to me like don't mind me i'm just digging a seven foot hole and then sitting in it for two hours where is she and i'm like i'm gonna move typing up his review of Elemental While some detective breaks down Big news Ryan Seacrest will be the new host of Wheel of Fortune Thank fucking god Our long national nightmare is over Pat Sajak made the decision

He sure did After how many years was it? 8 million? I'm gonna guess close to 40 like right i mean i don't know who's the co-host on the show isn't it vanna white still vanna's gonna still i think it is still vanna white it's kind of rude to just not fucking let vanna host you know that's a fair point right you know she's putting to let her talk. Yeah. Remember that? Yeah, we slowly, it only took 40 years to get to that point where she's allowed to speak one word at a time. What does she do?

She goes like ding, ding, ding, right? She used to turn the letters. But now it's all computerized. But now she just, yeah. She just kind of taps them. Right. Hovers over them. Yeah.

It's a simulation. Real words up there. let Fanta do it Maybe she doesn't want to do it She made the decision to spin the wheel She wants to be a contestant now? She really wants to win I've never watched Wheel of Fortune That's never my favorite

Stop going to the beach and start going to the You think I should stop going to the beach Turn on my tv catch up because you're doing jeopardy and then just unfortunately that show comes i would watch jeopardy and then it'd be like wheel up and you'd be like click turn it up you get close um some things some other facts about this movie The craft of this movie He uses a lot of old school filmmaking techniques here Vintage lenses Fixed camera setups

Natural lighting He wanted to go a little Back to what he called the traditional carpenter approach For this one Because he's doing kind of an old fashioned vibe In his opinion So he wanted to be a little more Restrained I guess he means More restrained than the handmaiden

This is still a movie with some wild camera moves And right like you know A chainmail glove The production design of this movie Is out of control so good All the like crazy wallpaper And the mountains and all that shit I'm trying to see if there's anything else

Like that's really important They did put wallpaper and the mountains and all that shit um trying to see if there's anything else like that's really important um they did put body mounts for the chase scenes onto the cameras like on their shoulders uh yes so they had to run they ran with a camera on their shoulders yes that's why uh so that he says that is one of the few like you know river currently miming out what that would be like because you had head on shoulders head head but no camera i did have camera oh you did have camera on head oh sure because it's got to like map your face for the vfx right here like the mic in front of your face head on head stilts on feet like how do you talk to anyone you're like looking around them and there's a lot of cross

there's like romance on that show right i had to make out with the camera you have to right you have to you know have chemistry you know i said this to you after i watched it but like you basically have to do every type of acting on that show just because yeah yeah no but it's like it swings so wildly around different things and then all the technical difficulties yeah on top of that

yeah yeah it was a lot yeah it was a lot this film premiered at the Cannes Film Festival Park Won Best Director

in fact he's won a prize at every Cannes Film Festival he's been at except for the one with the Handmaiden Rude Was a pretty big Korean hit Made 15 million dollars there Was rolled out by MUBI in America

As we said Submitted to the Oscars but didn't win Shortlisted It was shortlisted right Made the 10 It's tough to make the 10 It's not as hard as it is to make David's 5, but it is tough to make the 10. And obviously we are concluding our Park series here, but he does have the Sympathizer coming

out sometime on HBO or Max or whatever the fuck it's called now. Yes. In the fall, maybe, right? Or early next year. He has an HBO series where Robert Downey Jr. plays multiple characters. Never heard of it. Looks pretty wild. It he may finally make his long awaited The Axe

Which is a film he's been trying to make for like 20 years When they ask him about his next project He's kind of like maybe that Can I ask what the budget of this movie was? One billion dollars Expensive film ever made How does a movie, this get made. Well, because it's a CJ Entertainment film,

which is sort of, the budget was $10 million. Oh, beautiful. Perfect number. Korea does have, obviously, a thriving film industry, but CJ Entertainment is kind of like the big boy. Sure. And yeah, they'll put up some cash for a film like this. Yeah.

Like, $10 million is, like, such a reasonable amount. Yes. For a stunning, like, such a lushly shot, beautiful movie. I could have told you $20 and you would have bought it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. For sure. And that's sushi.

That alone. Lucho De Niro. That was $5. Yeah, that was half the budget. Yeah. Do you want to play the box office game for the Korean or American release? That alone. Lucho De Niro. That was five. Yeah, that was half the budget. Yeah. Do you want to play the box office game for the Korean or American release? I say let's do both. Okay, fine.

All right. So this film came out in Korea. We're going to play the box office game now. Yeah. I'm scared of this game. Don't be scared. I had to listen to Tatiana try to explain this to someone. Oh, really?

Yeah. That's fun. You were listening to me? Yeah. It's this, it's a trivia game. No, it wasn't that. It was,

you were making me sound like I was Rain Man. Were you going through a tunnel? Yeah, I was on a phone. We were in a car and she was like, his friend points at him and then he just starts saying numbers. You weren't explaining a way

that made it sound dumb. You were explaining a way that made it sound dumb. You were explaining a way that made me sound like a lunatic. But that's how I experience this game. Like sometimes I will be like, yeah, it's like a thriller. And you're like, you know, you just say that immediately. Domestic disturbance. Truly. Right.

Okay. So this film. I mean, I appreciate actually someone sort of recognizing my experience of this game. I see you. It feels like weird numbers and then them just being like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. His friend says a weekend and then he says numbers. The weekend in Korea, Griffin, is July 27th. This is like Park Chan-wook's Big Willie weekend.

Sorry, June 27th. Oh, okay. Sorry. And it's opening number two behind the biggest movie pretty much of 2022. An American film? Not including Avatar. Yes, an American film. What was the thing before Avatar? It was...

The big movie of the summer. Yes. Top Gun Maverick. That's right. So all over the world yes everyone's going crazy and you know why because no country was the villain in that that's true what do you mean those bastards in their uh mountainous seaside country from the country of super weapons helmet stand no facia

I just remember like some geographer was like Yeah it's supposed to be like a coastal nation But there's like mountains 100 miles There's nowhere on earth that's like That would have like a nuclear weapon or whatever Anyway number two decision Number three is a sequel It's a science fiction

Action horror Korean film The director is Park Hoon Jung a sequel. It's a science fiction action horror Korean film. Science fiction action horror. The director is Park Hoon Jung. Okay. Better known as a writer. He wrote I Saw the Devil. But he's now a director. You don't know this film, obviously. I don't know this film? You're telling me I don't know this film?

I don't think so. Would I know the first film? No. No? Then what is it then? It's called The Witch Part 2 The Other One. I think I could Witch Part 2, The Other One. I think I could have guessed that. The Other One. You do? I think I would have gotten to that title if I just started saying words.

You would have gotten to The Witch Part 2, The Other One? The Witch Part 2, The Other One. Sequel to Witch Part 1, The Subversion. The first one. Oh, okay. The main one. I don't know. Something to do with witches. Okay.

Number four, another Korean film With kind of a fun title Which part one the other two That's the joke I should have made go on This is also a sequel Crime action Comedy film You know A sequel to a film called

The Outlaws And this is called The Outlaws 2 The Other Four Both of these films star the actor Ma Dong-seok who we know as Don Lee Who is in Internals But he's in many Korean

He's a huge Korean star So this is you know it's cops Two Korean cops They go to Vietnam in this one. Okay. There's some murders. They have to solve them. Okay.

Highest performing South Korean release since the pandemic. Wow. What's it called? It's called The Roundup. Oh, it's not two. It's a totally different title. No. Apparently in Korea, the title is Crime City 2.

Okay. But the American title is The Roundup. Crime City 2 is a pretty good title. I don't know, man. It's a huge hit. Huge hit. Okay. Number five is a City 2. Okay. But the American title is The Roundup. Crime City 2 is a pretty good title. Yeah. I don't know, man. It's a huge hit. Huge hit. Okay.

Number five is a Pixar movie. So that would be Lightyear? Lightyear. Weird, huh? Did it do well there? I don't know. Okay. Okay.

Number five? Yeah. What are you, number five? And is that movie based on the toy or is it based on the real man who the toy is based on? Seen Lightyear? I have not.

It's really easy to explain. It's really easy to avoid. It came up with a really clean premise and then just communicated perfectly to the whole world. They've also gotten their top ten. They got Broker, the, you know, Hirokazu Kore-da film, his first Korean language film. You got Jurassic World Dominion. You got a Pokemon movie. A Pokemon movie?

There's so many of them. I'll find out which number it is for you. Do you not keep up with the Pokemon movies? No. You don't catch them all? I do not catch them all. David catches most things in the Pokemon universe. I enjoy the Pokemon games.

Like the card game? No, the video game. It's a video game. Well, but it's also a card game. I did like the card game when I was a kid. I haven't played that in a while. Now he's grown up and he only plays the video games. Oh, boy.

I'm going to have to count. I don't know. One, two. Is this still Ash narrative? They just retired Ash, right? This looks like the 11th Pokemon film. Ash. I didn't know Ash retired.

Ash is still involved. Ash and Brock. Yeah, he's in this one. Yeah. Ash did finally retire. He turned 12 or whatever. Yeah. He's obviously going to stay out.

Ash Sandbeast. And also there's Come On, Come On, the Mike Mills movie. It's opening in the top 10? It's not even opening. It's number 10. I loved that movie. 18 months later? Did anybody know that kid was British?

I went to a screening where they did a Q&A afterwards. It felt like a bit. It's so disturbing because he's so believable he's incredible and he's talking like non-stop in that movie too it's not like a it feels like improvising

that feels like a performance where it's like well they wrote no dialogue for the kid they just put him in there with Joaquin Phoenix roll the camera now and like Mike Mills was like Keanu why am I saying Keanu joaquin uh was like he would know joaquin's lines and he would have to cue joaquin that that kid yeah incredibly good what's his name woody norman woody norman is his name and he's he's in he's in a bunch of

he's working that's the other thing i hear woody norman i'm like he grew up on a ranch yeah it sounds like they put that kid out of Iowa or whatever. Yeah, he's in The Last Voyage of the Demeter, the upcoming Dracula movie. There haven't been enough Dracula movies this year. I've been waiting for another Dracula picture. He's in this movie called Cobweb with Lizzie Kaplan. Okay. It looks like a horror movie.

He's good. And he's in the next Russo Brothers movie The Electric State Okay this kid's working This kid's working He's booking Apparently he played a character called Valentine In the 50s in a Poldark

Okay Do you want the American box office or are we done? Alright fine Jesus Christ Okay this movie came out in October in America October 2022 number one big horror film Number one big horror film number one big horror but somewhat of a disappointment in performance in performance especially critically halloween ends that's right okay number two a horror film that was a huge over performance

smile smile did you see smile too scared i watched the trailer and i couldn't stop thinking about it every time i went pee in the night. When you're peeing, you're just imagining a smiling person. It's something pulled directly from my brain, that movie. Just someone walking in and smiling. And then like about to kill you. Also, you've just been talking to us about how you spent like six months with a fake smiling head attached to the top of your skull. Maybe you're haunted by your own smiling face painted green.

You just read me for filth, Griffin. Number three at the box office is a children's film. The world's weirdest face. Is that supposed to be me? It's a blind contour drawing. It's going to be fucked up.

You don't look down at the page, you just draw. It is blind contour drawing. It's got to be it's gonna be fucked up. Oh my god You don't look down at the page. You just draw it is a good drawing. It looks cool. Yeah It does. Yeah, I Okay, okay Okay, David Should be normal. I'm very it was pretty much the only children's film with the box office the whole fall So it kind of ate fuck, but it wasn't puss in boots because that comes out later no and it's one of those movies that is clearly absolute garbage but you and others were sort of like there's something to this one i kind of liked it yes you liked a performance in particular i liked the performance in particular did i give

it a blankie are you like trying to sound constipated where he's not like moving his so that the portrait is flattering. Come on. You gave it a blankie nomination. For a voice performance. No. For supporting actor. What, it's animated?

Oh, it's Lyle Lyle Crocodile. It's a hybrid. It's Lyle Lyle Crocodile. Yeah, that movie sucks, but Javier Bardem's incredible in it. Really? Yes. Incredible performance. Vocal performance.

No. Live action. Oh. Big ass mustache man suspenders you want to see what it looks like like a failed circus entertainer basically wow yeah and you zeroed in on this as i watched it on a plane like this buddy i love him i also want that t-shirt very badly. Oh my God. Yep. And so he looks like he's got a big Florida Gator on his t-shirt.

He kind of looks like, I don't know, you know, Wario and Mario got smushed together. Yeah. Like retired. Yeah, right. Like Wario runs over Wario. Wario and Mario are so close, but there is like, but smushing them together is just a little. But I almost say you need to also throw in Luigi and Wild Luigi

he's the whole Mario family number four box office a film we covered on this podcast an excellent historical action epic uh ignored by the Oscars Woman King

good movie and number five A film that was not rudely A historical epic that was not rudely Ignored by the Oscars Because nobody liked it Sucks ass? Amsterdam? Yeah

Apologies if anyone knows Anyone in that movie in this room Because there's like a million people I was the girl who died at the beginning. Oh, yeah. Amsterdam, Amsterdam,

which you've seen. I've never seen. Oh yeah. I saw him. I took a trip to Amsterdam. It was a classic. I am a film critic. There was a release from a studio with major actors from a major filmmaker of

sorts. And I was just like, the decision to leave. You've also got,'t Worry Darling. Normal. Normal. Normal. No weird buzz around that one. Barbarian. Which is good.

Yeah, I loved that movie. Mama. Baby. Terrifier 2. The horror movie with the clown the the little clown that could tear up the box uh bros bros bros oh okay and hanging out in october at number 10 top gun maverick wow pretty crazy yeah um yeah so that's the... Alright, now do your fucking Park rankings. Let me just say this. Tatiana's listening to all this garbage.

Fine, I'll do the rankings. No, no, no. What do you want to say? You have yours. No, no. It's better to say this after the rankings, I think. Okay. Here are my rankings of Park Chen-wook films. Number one, Handmaiden. Number two, have you seen Handmaiden? I have. Yes. Great.

Number two, Thirst. Number three, I have Yes Great movie Number two Thirst Number three Lady Vengeance And went to the bathroom He did Number four Decision to Leave Number five Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance Number six Old Boy Seven JSA

Eight Stoker Nine I'm a Cyborg but that's okay And I like all of those movies Yes And then number ten Trio And number eleven and the other fucking his first movie the moon is the sun's dream fart

yeah he made these two movies that nobody likes including he doesn't like he's like don't watch them yeah yeah he's Sam Beach to them honestly has tried yes number one handmaiden number two lady vengeance okay number three decision to leave number four stoker oh this is where I start doing Number one, Handmaiden. Number two, Lady Vengeance. Number three, Decision to Leave.

Number four, Stoker. This is where I start doing controversial rankings. Number five, Cyborg. Oh, you have that higher? Sure. I love that movie. Number six, Thirst.

Number seven, Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance. Number eight, Old Boy. People Will. Whatever. lock me in a hotel room for 30 years for that ranking number nine jsa okay uh much like you i agree i think all nine of those are good uh number number 10 trio yeah which i I maintain is a little bit okay. Another controversial stance. 4 out of 10. Number 11, the moon is the sun's... Yeah. We got it. Great.

Here's what I was going to say. I led with, I think, making Todd feel uncomfortable, self-conscious when I foregrounded your Emmy win. There's a better honorific to throw out here. Because you're in a very

select category. We do our own award show at the end of every year and you were nominated by David Sims. I think you won. For Stranger? And I did say it like that.

Yeah. Which was weird. Yeah. Yeah, no. Whoa, no way. You're incredible. You were David's best supporting actor pick that one. Actress pick.

I was David Gordon Green's best supporting actor in that movie. He bet it all on you. He was great. Is he great? Yeah. And what he did for that film was he said, I'm not going to work with like, he usually works with like the same crew people he's known forever and he made a concerted effort to pick people he'd never

worked with before so he's like the crew was like new to him you had to do an accent is one of the hardest accents in terms of people being mean about doing that accent so hard yeah thankfully mine was a a soft soft but still I feel like well you took a job I had to run in that movie A lot of running I tried to learn to run You were born to run Maybe

That was a classic I said this a little bit like where at TIFF Where I go to Toronto and I see A city you know I'm sure Not familiar And you know you're packing in the movies I city, you know, I'm sure. Not familiar. Okay. Never heard of it. And I, you know,

you're packing in the movies. I'm at the film festival. I'm watching a million. And I was like, do I want to see the fucking marathon bombing movie? Like, it's going to be a bummer. It was like nine in the morning.

And I like walked in like last minute and I sat down and that movie, like, I love that movie. Oh, wow. It like made me, I've seen it like four times. No way.

Which is insane for a movie about a guy who got his legs blown off. God bless him. I know he's a real person. Look, not to belittle. How many people have won an Emmy? Tons. Tons. Tons.

Seven people have officially won a David in that category. Wait, is there a little statue? Yeah, sure. I'll get one. Yeah, get me. I'll put that one on the shelf. That next to my Olympic medal. That's just my smiling face.

Yeah. As a mask. Dead-eyed. Yeah. Completely dead. Thank you for bringing that up, Griffin. That's not embarrassing at all. We just get your head 3D scanned.

Cool. That sounds chill. Then we print your head. Slap it on a fucking little mount. First place. I think you should. It's a limited club people we have nominated or given our fake awards to. Who've been on our show.

Who've been on our show. It barely happens where that line is crossed. No one should be allowed on the show. I agree. That's why I'm calling attention to it. Never again. Embarrassing. I'm double honored.

Yeah. Well, I also voted for you at the new york film critic circle which is a real awards organization for estrange as well yeah but you got your ass kicked by oh by anybody else by literally everyone uh but your name was read aloud that's cool yeah um did they pronounce it correctly that's a great question and my guess is no My guess is I think it was David Evelstein Was the chair that year and he was not the great With pronouncing it

There was the one year Titania do you get that a lot? Titania like sort of like the Shakespeare character Yeah yeah I think people just don't want to say it right It feels like a choice Wait am I saying it wrong? Tatiana. Tatiana.

You don't want to put the H in. Tatiana. You know, like, Tatiana. Why do people always say Tatiana? Tatiana. Oh my god, I had some incredible... Oh, there was a year, right, the musician and actress Jungle Pussy

is in the film Support the Girls. Oh there was a year right The musician and actress Jungle Pussy Yes Is in the film Support the Girls And she got a bunch of supporting actress nominations At the Critics Circle that year And we just read them out of a hat And so Eric Cohn was the Jungle Pussy

It was just very funny Allison Janney, Jungle Pussy You know like God bless her i mean she's amazing in that yeah yeah um anyway oh what are we doing next that's the only thing left we have to announce that's the last order of business isn't it yeah you see this is the end of our mini-series uh tatiana so we have to tell people what director we're covering after this one and you already kind of revealed it john cass you did yes it's did. Yes, it's good. We'll do a one.

Yes. I'm seizing the moment. I'm holding the show hostage. No, as you said, because you rewatched it recently, your husband will be a guest very soon. We are doing the films of David Fincher, who has a new movie coming out this fall. We want to sync up with that.

Yes, he has a new film out, The Killer. Also, we couldn't let the Doughboys cover every single Fincher movie before us. Exactly. Yeah. And your sainted husband will be on one of those episodes. That's why you were watching the game. Sainted husband. Is he not sainted?

He's canonized, yes. Yeah. Not to spoil who's going to be on the game, but whatever. David Finchercher the curious cast of Benjamin the curious pod of Benjamin butt cast that's what we've decided on yeah you know what drives me crazy are like crazy fans

love to try to suss out based on anything and everything what we're covering ahead months ahead and they've like gamed out the Fincher thing. And they just keep on being like, confirmed, confirmed, confirmed. We figured it out.

And then someone yesterday on Reddit fucking said, they're probably going to call it the Curious Pot of Benjamin butt cast, right? No way. God damn it, these fuckers. A day before I get to say it on mic. Wow. Yeah.

Whatever. They're not going to hear this episode for three more months. No. They'll probably figure out your social security number by then. Alright, we're done. Sand beach me. Does anything you want to plug?

I just finished a play. I hope that you all saw it. I saw it and I had a great time. I thought it was a lot of fun and you're excellent in it. And unfortunately, it is closing the day after this episode comes out. Get your tics now guys get it it's your last chance yeah uh you've gotten to work with laurie mccaff for the last couple months she's like one of the best living actors in my opinion who's incredible in the show yeah oh is he cool so cool

bad person terrible actor that's right no no he's i love him he's wonderful yeah he's really great but yeah what are you doing next or is this secret probably still striking yeah that's yeah that's that's up in the air of course we don't know we don't know uh thank you so much for being on thanks for having me i loved it hey you're the best you guys are the best um and thank you are the best you are the best. You are the best. I'm okay. David's mid. Pretty mid. I think David's actually a little cringe.

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