Blank Check with Griffin & David - Emperor Darth Sidious - Revenge Of The Podcast

Episode Date: October 2, 2015

A Naboo Senator. Then a Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic. But WHO is this Phantom Menace? Could it really be the uptight Palpatine pulling all the strings? YUP! And guess what he’s a Sith lord too! In this episode, Griffin and David examine the new Emperor’s rise to power, including: the origins of Darth Sidious, the “ancient” Darth Plagueis myth and their possible connection to Anakin’s birth, as well as, the death of Mace Windu, space opera, the George Bush connection and who are these damn Wookies? Plus, a new merch spotlight and reading your podcast reviews! Please feel free to rate/review and tell your friends to subscribe. DO IT!

🎵 Hello! Hello! Hello. Hello. Hello. Welcome to Revenge of the Podcaster. I knew you were going to do that. I didn't either. I'm going with the flow.

No. No! Power! I'm Griffin Newman. I'm David Simms. This is Griffin and Dave present Revenge of the Podcast. Supreme Chancellor Edition. This is our Supreme Chancellor Edition of Revenge of the Podcast.

For those of you who don't know, jump in on this episode. Bad episode, jump in. Spoiler alert. Seriously, it all comes down. We're going to talk about a lot of things in spoilerific detail. This is a podcast about it's become about George Lucas' Star Wars trilogy.

Yeah, and the machinations of Chancellor Palpatine. That's what the podcast has really been about the whole time. I think he's been pulling the string behind the podcast. So George Lucas' divisive, massively popular Star Wars trilogy, which of course we know consists of three films, The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones.

That's right. That was the number. I was trying to remember the second one there. And Revenge of the Sith. Revenge of the Sith. That was the final one. That's a trilogy. That's three movies.

One, two, three. That's done and you're off. 99, 02, 05. You only make three movies. Some of us like to call it The Phantom Menace trilogy. That's what I like to call it. You like to call it that.

I do. That's it. Because it's like, you call Dark Knight a Batman movie even though it doesn't have the word Batman in it. They do say the Dark Knight trilogy. That's what I like to call it. You like to call it that. I do. Because it's like, you call Dark Knight a Batman movie even though it doesn't have the word Batman in it. They do say the Dark Knight trilogy. Yeah, but those people are dumbos. I hate the fact that the third one's called The Dark Knight Rises. Me too. It's so stupid. Because it's

like calling it like The Dark Knight 2. But what should it be called? Gotham City. Oh, that'd be interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Alright. I'm with you. Yeah. Alright. Not Hole Prison? Oh, Hole Prison Prison in a hole. It's like Snakes on a Pl right. I'm with you. Yeah. All right. Not hole prison? Oh, hole prison. Prison in a hole.

It's like snakes on a plane. Prison in a hole. There you go. Okay. Little housekeeping. Snakes on a bane. Okay, David. Congratulations.

You made a funny. David's laughing really, really hard. Like, preposterously hard. He's laughing like Mordecai levels. Let me find that picture. Oh, don't. I won't be able to keep it together. Seriously,

if you show me that picture, I will not be able to keep it together. Don't, don't, I'm actually serious that you shouldn't do this. The more you say this, the more I want to do it. No,

because it is, God, I'm just thinking about it. I'm more than kind. Ben, you're not looking. Yeah, no, I see it. I see it. Oh, no, it changed.

It changed. Oh, no, good. Get it back. Get it back. I didn't see a funny one. Ben's laughing. He's on the front of a car. Oh, boy.

All right. All right. So here's some housekeeping up at the front of a car Alright So here's some housekeeping up at the top I got some very important business to cover up at the top Oh really? Yeah I have some housekeeping I have some things to talk about I have a checklist of things to talk about He's loading a checklist on his iTelephone

The Wi-Fi The Wi-Fi The Wi-Fi And he is the worst You sound like a cop in Robert Zemeckis' film, The Walk. Really? They're always like, hey, what you do?

Get out of here. You're on a wire. Hey, it's a freaking frog on a wire. I still think one of the best lines of all time is in Shutter Island when the captain goes, we are duly appointed federal monarch. And because that movie got pushed back,

we had to see that trailer for like nine months. Oh, totally. So that one line just got stuck in your craw. Okay, here's the first thing I'm looking for. As we've talked about many a time. Can I not pull this up? How the fucking? You remember how Nicole Kidman is also in the Cold Mountain trailer?

Like her accent was right at the top of that and it was so bad. So much time has passed since you left. She really couldn't get that accent. How do we see? I'm just sort of vamping while you find us whatever the fucking thing you're trying to find. How do we see fucking review? There's a review. Okay.

Oh, you're finding iTunes reviews. No, but this is one actually worth reading. You're going to see why. Okay. Okay. So I got it. Okay. So yeah, we always talk about-

Review our podcast on iTunes. Review our podcast. Griffin and David present. Listen, check. You're doing that right now. Boom. Subscribe. Please do. Just put a ring on it. That's that right now boom subscribe please do just put a ring on it

that's all we're asking you gotta put a ring on it you know if you're listening just put a ring on it okay and then rate and review put a ring on that robot hand and then rate and review

if you're lazy just give us some stars here's a suggestion throw us five five one two three four five easy pick two more than there are

Star Wars movies we're not gonna make you exactly that's how you remember how many stars to give us you take as many Star Wars movies. We're not going to make you. Exactly. That's how you remember how many stars to give us. You take as many Star Wars movies as exist, and then you add two. You get two. Two for Griffin and David.

The podcastic two. Exactly. You add the number. Number of hosts, not participants in this podcast. Forget Ben. Okay. Well, that's important. He's not part of that formula.

That is important. What you just said is important. That's branding. Exactly. That's branding. Oh, happy International World Podcast Day or whatever it is. Yeah, it's Ben's birthday. It's basically my birthday. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Birthday, Benny. You're welcome.

So. Of course it's birthday, Benny, a.k.a. producer Ben Hosley, a.k.a. producer Ben, a.k.a. Ben Dusser, a.k.a. Mr. Positive, a.k.a. HelloFanL. A.k.a. The Hos. A.k.a. The Hos. Hi, Ben. Sup? What's this review you, a.k.a. Hello Fanal. A.k.a. The Haas. A.k.a. The Haas. Hi, Ben. Sup? What's this review you want to read?

I'm going to read this review. Okay. And the other thing to point out is just list the other UCB comedy podcasts. Of course. Ménage à Trois Radio. Because they're all Ben's babies. And we're his favorite baby, but you've got to listen to all the other baby podcasts. UCB Digital.

What's the other one that I'm forgetting right now? So you're going through a breakup. Yeah. Is there another one? You tell it. You tell it. Long form conversation. I think I said long form.

No, Ben, you tell it. Tell us what the name of the podcast is. Guys, what did I say in the last episode? I'm going to say it again. No bits. Okay, cut all of this out. Also, there's a UCB hub on iTunes now. That's true.

Where you can find us all. Yes. Okay, cut all this out. This is the start of the episode. Hello, I'm Griffin. And here's your review. This is Griffin Day to present Revenge of the Reviews. We read reviews of our podcast.

I really like this review. It's from 23Green. I don't know who that is. Okay. What I like about this show is the characters. Now, I know that oftentimes when I spotlight a review, it's because I said something nice about me, and I want to pat myself on the back.

But that's not what's happening here. Okay? They're all funny and great in different ways. You can tell David is used to hanging around a more professional office environment. He has more of a filter than Griffin. That's marginally true. Who is around comedians and actors all the time, so he's more loosey-goosey, dirty-mouthed boy. That's fair.

That's fair. Actually, that's a good observation. Yep. David is less emotionally attached to the films than Griffin who genuinely tries to find good things about them but usually fails. It's interesting because I'm certainly very emotionally attached but you are

it's impossible to beat you on that front. Your emotional attachment is the name of your game. I fall in love with everything. Of course. If it were the Avengers I feel like David would be Captain America. Okay. Griffin would be Iron Man. Sure. I think I'm like the Hulk.

Yeah, I'd love to be Thor, but go on. I'm a less powerful Hulk, but the same kind of unbridled. Yeah. Whatever. And Ben would probably be maybe... Nick Fury? Agent Coulson. Agent Coulson, sure.

But they wrote be... Maybe... Oh, I see. Agent Coulson sure But they wrote B dot dot dot Maybe dot dot dot Oh yeah I see Dot dot dot Agent Coulson Producer Ben is the most relatable character And gives the show humanity Low key

Really the protagonist of the show Because we're doing this to him He's the man who lets us relate It's like once a week These two insane demons invade his studio And make him listen to... Go on. He went from having low self-esteem and feeling bad about turning 30 to being on a path to

feeling better about himself now. You can tell he's coming into his nickname, Mr. Positive. Hey. Wow. There's an arc. Anyway, it's a great show. I hope it continues if they discover there to be any other Star Wars sequels in the future. That's preposterous. Disney might make one. No, that's a great show. I hope it continues if they discover there to be any other Star Wars sequels in the future.

That's preposterous. Disney might make one. No, that's preposterous. If they were to start making one tomorrow, start pre-production development. Sure. We wouldn't get it for three years. Yeah, two, three years. So we'll do some other shit in between.

Are there any directors you'd love to see make a Star Wars movie? God. I think Brad Bird could make a great Star Wars movie. I know. I'll tell you who's top of my list to not make a Star Wars movie. Colin Trevorrow. Yeah, that guy's a piece of shit. Fuck Colin Trevorrow.

I hope he falls back down the pit where he came from. Yeah. The jail hole. Snakes on a bin. Snakes on a bin. Okay, so that order of business, done. Please review us on iTunes. Here we go.

It's time. Are you ready? Nope, because I have more housekeeping business. Housekeeping business, point two. I saw Hotel Transylvania. I give it a 6.5. You saw Hotel Transylvania 2. I also saw Hotel Transylvania 2. I saw Hotel Transylvania 2, 2, 2.

God damn it. Cut all this out. New start of the episode. Hi, this is Griffin. Welcome to Griffin Day Present. Attack the podcast. Fuck. Okay. Hi, everybody. This is Griffin Newman. Welcome to Griffin Dave present. Attack the podcast. Fuck. Okay. Hi, everybody. This is Griffin Newman. Welcome to Griffin. Dave present.

Revenge of the podcast. First of all, right off the bat, I saw Hotel Transylvania 2. I gave it a 6.5. And you gave the first one like an 8, you told me? Maybe 8.5? Yeah. Yeah. It depends on the- So it was a comedown.

It was not as good. It's still fun. It's got great character animation. Jetty Tartofsky is one of the only people really pushing squash and stretch principles in mainstream feature film animation. Is it lacking in plot? Is it lacking in the same kind of emotional story? I'd argue it has too much plot.

I'd argue the plot changes every 10 minutes. Okay, interesting. It's like a series of different one-reelers. I hate this is sensitive. This is a sensitive topic. But is it the lack of CeeLo Green? Is that the difference? Is that the two stars? It's missing a sense of danger.

Alright, that's enough of that. What's your other housekeeping? Case in point of Pennsylvania 2's sloppiness, the main antagonist who the final fight scene happens against is introduced ten minutes before the final fight scene happens. There's a lot of that kind of business.

It's sort of like haywire in that regard. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, next point of business. Next point of business. I read something very disturbing a couple weeks ago, and I forgot to bring it in until now. Okay.

But I think it's important, especially after what we discussed last week. Do you know that on a recent list of the 1,000 most popular baby names in America, according to the Social Security Administration, this is a very official list, Anakin was number 957. So he just crept in the bottom there.

He's finally on the top 1,000. But that amounts to 218 babies a year so just for comparison the other baby names male baby names tied for 218 yeah uh are emmett baylor judson what judson is not a name and truman. Now, Truman and Emmett are real person names. They are just about. Emmett, you don't know a lot of Trumans. No, it's a real name. No, it is.

Emmett, you'll hear. We have a president after him? That was his last name. Emmett Otter. Emmett Otter, thank you. You're welcome. The Truman Show. No, yeah.

I mean, that's what I think of when I think of Truman. Right, his name was Truman Show. His name was Truman Burbank, wasn't it? And we called him The, like it's The James Brown. Isn't his last name is Burbank because like the studio is in Burbank? Yeah, I think it's in Truman Burbank. He's like owned by a corporation. Truman's his first name, right?

Yeah. Anyway. I love that movie. Anakin is a name that was created by a maniac, a soul associate named George Lucas. Yep. And now we know that this franchise, this trilogy, is about watching him murder children. Mm-hmm. So to the 218-

And strangle his wife. Yep. And abuse his wife. And I'm not even fucking joking. Like, it's insane what he does to his wife. To the 218- Anakins. Parents.

No, parents. No, parents, sure. Who named their child Anakin in 2014, knowing all that we know right now. Go fuck yourself. You're a bunch of Sith Lords. What's wrong with you? Bunch of Sith Lords. 218 people who won't listen to this podcast.

Don't listen. You cannot. You are not allowed to listen to this podcast. All right. Final order of business. My God. It's a segue. Okay.

And I ain't talking about the... You're not talking about the people moving piece of transportation. Right. This is a transition to our topic today. Corrections Department, last week I said that post-Mace Windu fight... Can you turn up the volume of my headphones a little bit? Because I want to hear this correction clearly. Okay.

This is a big controversy. Post-Mace Windu fight. I have to address this. With Palpatine. Post-Mace Windu fight with Palpatine, I said that Palpatine's face transforms and he looks like Mumbles from Dick Tracy. Uh-oh.

It wasn't Mumbles. Mumbles is Dustin Hoffman's character. I'm just remembering that. He doesn't really have makeup. No, I was thinking of the influence. Yeah. The influence has a big bumpy brow and beady dark eyes. There are a lot

of Dick Tracy characters who have weird made up faces. Yeah. But Mumbles is not really one of them. I think he has like a nose maybe. No, it's his mouth is to the side. Yeah. Right. His mouth is to the side. I always get, I always think that the influence is named Mumbles because his forehead is mumbly. Right. Well. But I

realize when I say it's mumbly, I'm meaning to say it's bumpy. It's a horrific mistake, but it gets us onto our topic for today, which is... Chancellor Palpatine. A.K.A. Darth Sidious.

A.K.A. Senator Palpatine, A.K.A. Emperor Palpatine. A.K.A. Mr. Positive. He's very positive in this movie. This movie just breaks right for him

every single story turn. Look, I mean, as that review stated, Ben is really kind of like the anti-Anakin of this podcast. Okay. But he's also sort of the anti-Palpatine because Palpatine turned 30 and then he just went crazy for power. He didn't know how to deal with it. Is that right? That's in the Wikipedia?

It's 30 when he... Palpatine, yeah. He hit the dirty 30 and he went crazy for power. Because, you know, we don't know much about him. Like, his backstory. Not in the movies, certainly not. No, and one could argue his backstory might be more interesting than the backstories of the characters we got. It's probably more interesting the backstory of the random guy who becomes his assistant.

You know? Like, this is like you made a three part trilogy about Igor. You know, like, what happened to Igor? Why does he look so weird? Let's make three movies about that. Child Igor, Teen Igor, Grown Up Igor. Oh, he gets disfigured! And then he starts working for Dr. Frankenstein. You joke.

I think that is genuinely the hook of Victor Frankenstein in theaters this November. With Daniel Radcliffe as Igor. And he doesn't have a hunch in it. Yeah, he's handsome. And they've said that it's kind of an origin story for Igor, and it hopefully has franchise potential. You know what?

Fuck the world. And who's playing Frankenstein? James McAvoy, one of our great actors. I love him. You know what? I'm excited for that movie. You know why? I like Daniel Radcliffe.

I do too. I like the two of them. I've really come around to Daniel Radcliffe. I like the two of them. I think they're both fine actors. I think that movie looks like a bowl full of ball hair and milk. Yeah, that's probably true. A bunch of testy people. You know, I could see Pan tonight. That's all supposed to be

really bad. That's all supposed to have a midichlorian problem. David, let's stay focused. I don't know why you're going on these side tangents. It's just connected to Star Wars because it has this, apparently it's like, I don't know. He's got the magic pan and the pan gives him the flight dust. Yeah, it's like fairy dust is basically a scientific substance you can mine from like asteroids really fuck everything anyway i know i know it's a bummer when's someone gonna give us 200 million dollars to make a movie the three of us we would buck it up so hard are you kidding me it'd be such a good

movie right be a really good movie. No one would want to make it. I'm full of ideas. Ben, give us a quick pitch. We're going to- Oh, you're saying we shouldn't get sidetracked. Now you're asking Ben to pitch a movie. Every 15 minutes, I'm going to throw to Ben.

He's going to give us a quick pitch. Ben, quick pitch. $200 million. One sentence. But it has to fill $200 million worth of budget. Okay. It's an organization that you hire to play pranks on people who were mean to you in high school. Okay, that's a plot of dirty work.

Okay, let's go on. Oh, fuck, you're right. That's a plot of dirty work. All right. And it's at most a $20 million budget. Palpatine. Let's bring it back. Okay.

No, dirty work with like an Ocean's Eleven cast. I want to see how they became dirty. Let's do six movies. Okay, fuck everything, fuck everything, fuck the world, I want to see like how they became dirty. Let's do six movies. Okay, fuck everything, fuck everything, fuck the world, cut everything, start over. Hi, this is Griffin and welcome to Griffin's Day Present. I don't want to do the starting over bit. We've done that too many times. No bits, no bits.

Emperor Palpatine. Mm-hmm. Is a basic bitch. So here's, here's let's just very briefly, I'm going to recount his arc over these three movies. Movie one, he's a senator. Just a senator. Just a senator. From a little planet called Naboo. Much beloved.

Little backwater planet. Much beloved. A happily regarded senator. And as a result of the military crisis that breaks out on Naboo and the fall of the former chancellor, he's elevated to chancellor. Yep. Number two, he's the chancellor. He's kind of like beyond his term at this point, or maybe he's about to be.

Yeah, he's got like two scenes in it. He's barely in it. And the crisis of the Clone War... Whether or not to militarize. ...lets him to literally like extend his term sort of permanently. It's kind of like a Reichstag fire. And then in this movie... And he militarizes.

And he militarizes. This movie, the Clone Wars end, he's taken prisoner, but then released by the Jedis. And then revealed to be the Dark Lord Sidious, who's been playing the other side. And executes all the Jedis and becomes Supreme Chancellor of the Galaxy with no one to contest his rule. And also his face melts off. And also he gets a new apprentice. And he looks like?

The influence. The influence from Dick Tracy. Oh, and also. The influence. Yeah. And also looks like? The influence. The influence from Dick Tracy. Oh, and also he goes to an opera. Yeah, okay. So let's go through all of what you just said in tremendous detail. Okay. Beginning of the film.

He's been kidnapped by General Kossalot. Mm-hmm. Lord Robitussin. Oh, that's good. That's real good. Thank you. Did you think of that before? Just now. That's really good. Thank you. Lord Robitussin that's good that's real good did you think of that before? just now

Lord Robitussin so they storm into this room when I say they I mean Jedi's get with the program this is like fucking episode 26 of this show whatever they Jedi's

enter the room they see a spooky chair Turns around slowly Grievous is there Weirdly calm You mean Sidious Sidious Palpatine Yes

Palpatine Weirdly calm Oh you've arrived Hello Watch out though It's a Sith Lord Almost didn't see you there You know

Dooku comes in Flubbers a bunch Kenobi's knocked out as we've talked about Anakin pins him and on Palpatine's advice decapitates Dooku

and he does this like good Anakin good and Dooku gives Palpatine one last pleading look before he dies Palpatine ignores

it's obviously like Palpatine's like you're old news meet the new news right and he does this good yes Anakin yes, Anakin, do it. Good, Anakin. Do it.

Do it. Right. Okay. Do it. Already a little weird. Different than we've seen. Do it. Do it.

Different than we've seen him act in the previous movies. Yeah, absolutely. In the first movie, he's very pleasant. And he's really like chipper. He's like, no, I'm the senator. And it's the only movie I think in which McDermott is not wearing any makeup. No. In the second movie he's older. He's got more wrinkles. His hair's a little shorter. Some apple heels on his face. And instead of being dressed in these like nice sort of blue and green kind of marine like robes he's in black. Yes.

Third movie more black. A lot of red too. A lot of deep crimson red. His throne room or whatever his offices are red red red. Yeah. It really is it's like sith sith yeah hey anyone has checked out i like red black and red that's all i'm about yeah um he it's implied that he has taken a real shine to anakin in the years in between these movies yeah he's been keeping his eye on him and i think i assume that's explored in the years in between these movies. Yeah, he's been keeping his eye on him. And I assume that's explored in the Clone Wars cartoon series, perhaps. Yeah. A little bit.

Yeah. We'll get to that. But he's, you know, it's like, do it, do it, do it. For the first time, like, kind of taking direct command over Anakin. And Anakin doesn't really hesitate. He does it because he's told. Yeah, he regrets it, but he follows orders.

I wasn't supposed to do that. So the movie goes ahead. There's a meeting with Anakin and Palpatine in the office. And he's like, big fan of your stuff, Anakin. Really like what you're doing. Anakin's like, oh, shucks, thank you. And he's like, thank y'all, I have potential.

I just want you to know, before, you hear about it from them. I want to give you a heads up. Emailed the Jedi Council recently. Told them that I want to appoint you to be my representative on the Jedi Council. I want someone speaking to my needs. I'm electing you for the job. An unprecedented move, this is made clear, in Jedi-Senate relations.

Yes. And these relations have always been very unclear within the reality of this film. It seems like the Jedi work for the Senate or at least work in tandem with them

but they also don't follow orders as is made clear here. It's kind of unclear what's going on. I contend that it's the relationship between the Vatican City

and the rest of Italy. Well anyway. Anyway. But that's just my guesswork. Anyway. But anyway. Hi this is Griffin.

Welcome to Griffin to present Revenge of the Puppets I officially hate it Ben cut out everything from here on out and the episode at the last part where David said that he hates it and also delete all former episodes

erase them scrub them scrub so Phantom Menace. Do it. Do it. Do it. Anakin's like, oh, wow, thank you. And he's like, no problem.

Anakin goes to the Jedis and they're like, okay, so we got this. It's weird memo. Weird memo. Said to put you on the council. We work for Palpatine, technically, I guess. I don't know. They're kind of like, look, we don't like this but we're gonna do it because we want you to spy on him right but we're not going to grant you the rank of master for some reason i guess just to make you kind of pissy yeah so is all that clear work for palpatine but for us but we don't like

you yeah you know it's like a real like uh like like, here, have some cheese. No, no cheese. Like, but a little bit of cheese, but no cheese. It's like one of those promotions where they go, like, great news, we're giving you a bunch of new responsibilities, but no added title or pay.

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. Anakin, loved what you did on the Clone Wars. Thank you so much. Rescued the Chancellor. Great job. Great stuff.

He wrote to us, we're really mad about that, so we're gonna do what he says, but you're not gonna see anything, you know, like, nothing good really mad about that. So we're going to do what he says, but you're not going to see anything. You know, like nothing good for you. You know how he wanted you to gain an extra job here? Right. We're going to grant you that except without any of the benefits and also ask you to do another job on top of that.

Yeah, and then there's a third job. There's a third job around the corner. And also don't worry about the second job. But kind of do. And then Anakin is like, what? And they're like, ooh, much anger we sense in you. Yeah. Ooh, what?

Ooh, Anakin, got anger we sense in you. Yeah, yeah. Ooh, what? Ooh, Anakin, gotta cool off that anger. Now, to be fair, Anakin is being weird because everyone else in the Jedi, as we've much discussed, never react with emotion to anything except if you're asking Jakostan where a certain planet might be. Get the fuck out of here. Shut up. Everyone else in the Jedi, especially Yoda, anytime Yoda hears some messed up news, he'll say things like, if we didn't see this clone army coming,

then we're really blinded. But he doesn't say it like he's upset. No. No, he just goes, well. So the Jedi obviously know something is up with this guy. The central question I think that we need to ask is does George Lucas successfully pull off the idea that these all-powerful mind-reading, mood-reading wizards.

I'm reading your mind and predicting the question. Could they figure, like, does he pull off that they could be tricked by one super made-up guy who wears black all the time and shoots lightning and is really creepy? No, he does not. No, he doesn't pull it off. It's really perplexing. Let's continue exploring the ways in which he does not pull it off, okay?

They assign him this new position. Yeah, so there's a lot of scenes where Anakin and Palpatine are alone together. Mm-hmm. Well, okay, so they give him

this added thing, right? Then he's really upset. He goes to meet Palpatine at the space opera. That's the next scene. That's their next scene together? Yeah, I did today. I will say this. I was hoping you...

I did one of my patented cuts where I skip ahead and just watch the specific scenes relating to this. It's a much better movie. Sure, sure. I would argue the first half of this film, if you're only watching the scenes of palpatine in them yeah before he turns into the influence uh are pretty solid they're better relatively they even play better without the other scenes surrounding that's probably true yeah um the next scene's the space opera yeah this is probably the best scene in the movie. Yep. Low bar. Bar's buried in the ground,

but still. So they go to the opera. It's like a huge theater in the round. It looks kind of like the Galactic Senate. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. The boxes aren't moving.

Didn't think about that. It's like little balconies, but it's like totally circular and the performance is in the Senate. And the performance is like three giant, like gelatinous blue orbs with all these little

like wisps floating around them. Right. And then like eyes wide shut chorus. It's pretty cool. It's great. And it's called like the tragedy of blah, blah, blah or something. Like there's a plot. And it's mad sad.

It's tragic as shit. but a little foreshadowing there in george's part because george is an interesting filmmaker so he knows that uh the there's going to be a tragedy in anakin's life so he goes oh we'll have the that guy see a show that is tragic and set up this tragedy thematic do you know what i'm saying no no anyway um it i want to point something out put out anything Palpatine's talking the whole time. That's real rude. You should be quiet and listen to the opera. I want someone in their little floating opera box

to just like drive over and be like, excuse me. But then maybe they'd be like, oh, it's the chancellor. Then they have to back up. They have to park back in their offer box section. Okay, important stuff.

Important stuff. Really important thing to talk about. The opera kind of looks like a bunch of sperms floating around in an egg. I guess so. I did realize that today. It looks like a bunch of sperms floating around. It's great. I love sperms and eggs.

Are you kidding me? It's fucking best. It's a good scene. It's a cool idea. It's a cool scene. It's really otherworldly which a lot of things are not so he sits there

the idea now is that like he's reporting back to Palpatine about what he saw but also the Jedi know that he's going he's playing triple agent right and so

yeah and very much playing his own needs and desires this is the problem Anakin's having these dreams he's worried about his wife dumb fucking dreams this comes up

and Palpatine starts talking about Darth Plagueis. But why? Why? Why? Let's slow it down. I think we gotta slow it down.

How does he know about his dreams? I think Anakin mentions it. Anakin, so Anakin, Palpatine opens up with like, I heard they're not electing you to Jedi Council. How does that make you feel?

Must not make you feel great, huh? It's like, well, first of all, let's just point this out quickly, okay? Jedi Council, limited membership, right? There are literally very few seats. It's like 16 total. However many seats fit in that circle.

Okay. They do give him a seat, though, because they're like, yeah, we're not giving you master. Take your seat. Yeah. But there are very- It'd be good if his seat had a different different leather backing, you know, if it was blue

instead of red. Or there wasn't a toilet in it. It looked the same, but you couldn't poop inside of it. That would be a real outrage. That's a callback for you, uh, uh, Phantom podcast listeners. Um, there aren't that many seats available. The only new Jedi we have seen appointed to the council has been Obi-Wan. And those were extreme circumstances where his master died.

Right? A seat was, therefore, given up. I guess so, yeah. But this is new business. Also, everyone else on the council is significantly older than Anakin. Age is hard to tell with some of these aliens, but certainly, yes. David, we've looked up most of these people. Well, how old is Mace Windu, though?

Mace Windu's probably 55. Yeah, he's like 20 years older than Anakin. 20, 30 years older than Anakin. Okay, within human years, that's a good difference. That's fair. Right? That represents a good portion of your lifetime. It's fair.

It's a fair point. Okay, so it was unlikely. It was a stretch that he was going to be made a Jedi Master and put on council. No, absolutely. He's only on the council because Palpatine asked them because they wanted him to play this crazy role. But, you know, if they wanted him to play the crazy role, they could have at least for the sake of show given him that rank of Master. Now, maybe they're trying to play their own game where they're like, oh, we don't want Palpatine to think he's in with us. Yeah.

You know, it's a lot of chess being played. Right. But they don't know that Palpatine has like a big hammer that can smash all the chess pieces at once. Yeah. That's the thing. They think they're playing 3D chess. He's playing like 8D chess. Yeah.

Palpatine's kind of a G. I said he was a basic bitch, but he's kind of a G. No, he is crazy. Yeah. We'll get to it. So they're talking and he's like, how's it make you feel? And he's like, not good. Yeah. We'll get to it. So they're talking and he's like, how's that make you feel? And he's like, not good. I don't feel good about it. I feel like

everyone's disrespecting me. Jedi's are not supposed to not feel good. This and that. Stressed out. Having these dreams. And he's like talking about all this stuff. And then he goes you know, oh they have this conversation. He goes well you know the Jedi see they have this conversation. He goes,

well, you know, the Jedi see things in very didactic ways, this and this and that. He's not wrong. Yeah. You know, and he says,

you know, there are other forms of force. He uses this line that I think is very interesting within the context of our larger exploration of this movie,

which is, he goes, you know, what do you know about this? He goes, the Sith are driven by passion. They make decisions only based on themselves. The Jedi's are selfless.

Like he's saying there's not much difference between a Sith and a Jedi. Right, that it's more about. huge difference. Yeah. They're driven by passion. They make decisions for themselves.

Don't you think it's interesting? The ultimate point he's making is, oh, the Sith are, in self-preservation and the Jedi care about the world at large, the galaxy at large. Yeah. But the first word he uses to describe that divide is the Sith are driven by passion as if emotion is a bad thing. Yeah. He doesn't say vengeance. No, no, but you're absolutely right. But that is in keeping with the logic of these movies and the logic of the way the Jedis behave.

And beyond that, the logic of how these films were made. Yeah, that's true. That George was like, the scene is too emotional. We've got to reshoot it. Right? I find that very fascinating. So, all right, it's presenting this like thing. But Sidious is being kind of seductive.

I forget exactly what comes up but you know he he goes let me ask you a question uh has has any uh has any jedi been able to cheat death whatever you know it comes up and he's like one guy yeah have you heard about darth plagueis darth plagueis the wise he's like no and he's like bet the jedi wouldn't tell you here's the basic deal darth plagueis was the most powerful ever. He was Sith as shit. Right? Like Sith. Crazy Sith. Through and through. He became so addicted to power that he could do almost anything. He could

protect the ones he loved from death. Some believed he could even use the Force via midichlorians to create life. Right. Handbrake.

You're saying he maybe created Anakin? Anakin's the Immaculate Conception? Hey, I don't know. I don't know where he came from. We always like to say that Watto was his dad because his little boy peepee looks like Watto knows. But let's be honest for a second. You mostly like to say that.

I like to say that. And we also, I'm going to flip some cards over on the table. But let's be honest for a second. You mostly like to say that. I like to say that. And we also, I'm going to flip some cards over on the table. We don't know that for a fact. We don't. It's true. We don't know what Anakin PP looks like. Thank God. We've been joking.

What a terrible thing if we did. Yeah. We would never be able to get over it. We're not those types of guys. Carry on. Who like to look at little boys' PPs. I just want to say that very clearly. And if we were...

Carry on! It would just be for the purpose of figuring out who's a Toydarian and who's not. That's all we're saying. We wouldn't be getting any pleasure from it. Carry on. We just want to know who is part... Griffin, I hate this bit. Carry on.

Griffin Newman, welcome to Griffin David Presenter. Revenge of the podcast. I think the implication is that Plagueis is Anakin's father. Or Anakin is the result of Plagueis' dark experiments. That he was created by the dark side of the Force to fulfill their legacy, it seems like. It is fair for you to say this, but it is annoying that that is so unclear in these movies. Yes, it is. They had three movies to set up

a cool idea like that. Instead, it's one throwaway line in the first movie and one throwaway line in the third, and you're there to maybe put the pieces together if you really want to. You know, maybe instead of spending like, I don't know, 20 minutes at a droid factory chase? Here's the other thing.

Have you read Wikipedia about Darth Plagueis? No, have you? Yes. Let's pull it up. Well, sure, but I mean I can tell you the basics because the conclusion of the Darth Plagueis story, because Anakin's like, why isn't he not dead? Good question. He became so obsessed with power, terrified of losing it. Eventually

he did, which is a very weird, rushed over explanation of how he lost his power. Well it's basically like his assistant murdered him. His apprentice murdered him. That's like you know he couldn't see it you know on his own doorstep. His assistant killed him. You know who his assistant was? Palpatine. Yeah. But they don't say that in the movie. Yeah but that's clear.

I know. It was not clear. Yeah it's not clear. For the normal blue collar guy not clear. You're being too positive clear. For the normal blue-collar guy, not clear. You're being too positive. You're trying to see the best in everybody. The way he presents it is that this is some ancient story. Yeah, long time ago, galaxy far, far away. This guy-

That's like 20, 30 years ago. They knew this guy. His name was Hugo de Masque. Hugo de Masque? Yeah, he was a businessman. Did they go to high school together? According to Wikipedia, yeah, they went to high school together. It was space high school.

Which one? Was it magnet or public? Yeah, no, no, no. It was a charter school. It was a space charter school. They're really doing good stuff in space charter schools. Excellence, yeah, Coruscant Success Academy. Anyway, Darth Plagueis was a mun or a moon.

What does he look like? He looks like Sand Hill. Oh. Yeah. You know, it's like a very, I mean, only real nerds know who we're talking about right now, but he's like one of the trade guys. Yeah. He's got a long.

Yeah, kind of a narrow but long face. Yeah. And sort of a bald head. And he's tall and he's lanky. Sort of looks like a human face, just kind of squished. But he's got some sort of rubbit parts and overtones, right? I don't know. There was a Darth Plagueis action figure.

Anyway, in his public guise, he was this big businessman, and it's implied in Wikipedia that his money is the thing that funded the clone army. So here's a question for you. Carry on. Why not, if you're planning out your epic space saga, and as George contends, he knew where it was going the whole time, he had the larger mapped out idea for all three films right? Yeah. Why wouldn't you make quote unquote Sifo-Dyas

in Attack of the Clones be Darth Plagueis or at least be Darth Plagueis' real name? Any of these tweaks would be good. Wouldn't that tie together nicely? Why don't you have Plagueis be in the first one Sifo-Dyas be a character and then he manipulates that and then in the second one the clone the first one, Sifo-Dyas be a character, and then he manipulates that, and then in the second one,

the Clone Army thing happens, and Sifo-Dyas gets betrayed or whatever. I don't know. There's a million things you could have done. There's all kinds of shit happening behind the scenes. I'm just saying fucking, who, Darth, but what's Darth I guess his real name?

Hugo de Mas. That's who it should have fucking been. They should have said some guy named Hugo de Mas ordered a Clone Army. Who was he? He was a wealthy businessman. He died. No one knew what happened.

No one knowed what happened. No one knowed what happened. No one knowed. Anyway, there's an incredible amount about him on, like an incredible amount about him on Wikipedia and there's no way we could read it all.

But eventually Sidious becomes his apprentice and they have these experiments to try and create life using midichlorians. Inadvertently, they create Anakin Skywalker. They didn't know that they did that.

Wikipedia contends that that is the case. Oh, it's not contends. Open shot. Yeah. And then eventually Sidious kills him. So Palpatine is kind of Anakin's dad. Now, both of them kind of are. He's got two dads.

Like my two dads. Not my two dads. Like the show My Two Dads. I have one dad. Sure. Just one thing I'll throw out there that I'm thinking is when you run for an office in government, they always go back the press. They vet. And they look into like what your background is.

How could no one have known that this guy was apprenticed to this Sith guy? Beyond that, they also always look to see like affairs, infidelities, children you had out of wedlock. Exactly, if you did drugs. Yeah. But they'd be like, we found here DNA evidence that you made a kid out of magic with your evil boss. Plead the fifth on that one.

Next question, please. We won't talk about your magic kid. So he's telling this story that i think he's doing in a very like wink winky hat tippy kind of way right where he's going like unfortunately he had an apprentice yeah okay dink dink dink dink right right um and uh you know he was so worried about trying to save other people from death he he couldn't save himself, whatever. And he goes, is it possible to learn these powers? He goes, not from a Jedi.

Not from a Jedi. Great line reading. It's in the trailer. It's sort of like a crucial point in the trailer. And let's say great scene of acting from you, McDermott. We've got to talk about McDermott. I know we'll have a performance review, but he is the star of this movie. No question. And he must, for a somewhat well-known British stage actor,

to have this central grand arc in these three movies, and then, you know, I'm sure he enjoyed doing one. Yeah. And then two, he didn't get as much, and he was probably like, oh, you know, maybe. And then to be handed, imagine being handed the script for three. It's like, you've got two lightsaber fights. Your face melts off. You have like 80 lines of three. It's like, you've got two lightsaber fights. Your face melts off.

You have like 80 lines of dialogue. You have these crazy monologues. It's like he owns a ham store, and they just placed a very, very large order. They said, can you provide us with 200 hams? Yeah, can you serve Christmas ham to everyone in New York City? That's all I've been wanting. Yeah. I want honey glazed.

I want roasted. McDermott's a great actor. Wonderful's what I've been wanting. Yeah. I want honey glazed. And I want roasted. I want to say, McDermott's a great actor. Wonderful actor. I've seen him on the stage. One of Tony, Awaken Singh. Such a great actor. And I love him in these movies, but he certainly is very aware that he needs to push the cheese. Yeah, but that's what he's got to do. Very hard.

I know. Ham and cheese, bro. It's ham and cheese. Ham and cheese. They go together. For a reason. Like stuffed crust pizza with hot dogs. It's beautiful. It tastes great. It gives me diarrhea. I don't care because I'm having such a good time while it's happening. I did have diarrhea every time he was on screen.

The way that we have learned to watch movies is that sometimes characters think and feel things that are not entirely represented by what they're saying. Sure. People have internal thoughts. Show, don't tell. Right. Right. Internal thoughts. So you infer not only from what people are saying, but from their body language, their reactions.

We understand. Okay. So this scene's happening, and he's really tipping the hat. Yeah, I know. He's like, Anakin. His apprentice. And the doc's not from a Jedi baby from a Sith Lord. Right.

And Anakin's like staring wide eyed kind of looking at him and being like, okay, I get it. Like it seems like he understands it and is like picking up on the illusions, right? The next scene. Their next scene together. Yeah. I watched this this morning

and I can't remember why he shows up in the office. Whatever. Hey, here to check in. It's me, a Jedi representative. Oh, they find Grievous. Oh, yeah. Hey, we found Grievous. They found Grievous and he goes and he goes.

He's on planet Iguana. Oh, because that's the thing. Right. When Palpatine asks him to be his like inside guy. Jedi representative, yeah. He's like, number one thing you got to do, you got to make sure you take down Grievous. Yeah. Grievous is bad news.

Make sure you take down Grievous. So Anakin'sievous is bad news. Make sure you take down Grievous. So Anakin's like, hey, knock, knock. Good news. We found Grievous. And Palpatine's like, that's wonderful. If they have any brains, they'll send you out to catch Grievous. And he's like, I think it's gonna be Obi-Wan.

Yeah. And Grievous is just constantly, Sidious is just constantly going like, sounds like they don't like you. Right. But Sidious is just constantly going like, sounds like they don't like you. Right. But Sidious is constantly setting up Anakin to expect more than anyone should expect at that point in their career. Sure, right. He's driving a wedge between him and the Jedi.

But he's going like, you know, if I were the Jedi, I'd give you a billion dollar raise. And he's like, can I get a raise? And they're like, no, we don't pay. And he's like, sounds like they don't like you. You know? Carry on. Anakin, of his own vol't like you. You know? Carry on. Anakin, of his own volition, would never ask to be put on the council. He made a master at that point.

I agree with you. Sidious is just pushing them. Right, okay. They both have evil names. And he's like, you know, I've been thinking about what you said, this and that, whatever. And he makes some reference to the Force.

And he's like, how do you... How do you know so much about the Force? You've heard of the Force? How do you know about this? You've heard about the Force? And so he's just like,

yeah. And he's like, what? And he's like talking and he starts saying some, alluding to some stuff about the dark side. I think they're entering

this conversation. Anakin's like, okay, don't ask, don't tell. I know that you fucked with some Sith shit. You know that I know. Anakin is like, wait a second. Wait, you're saying- The Force? But after that whole story you told me about

the Sith and how they- Look, the movie is terribly written, are you so shocked? No, but I just, you don't, the way the scene is played, it's not even the way it's written. The way it's acted, it seems like Anakin's like, I got it. I hear it loud and clear. And then this scene.

Maybe these two scenes were, it doesn't matter. From two different movies. Maybe he subscribes to The Force magazine. Yeah. Maybe you just read The Force magazine. And he's like, in order to understand the world, you have to learn about all sides of it, good and bad. You know, to say like, if I'm going to be a good chancellor. Broaden your horizons.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then very quickly goes off from that defense and is just like, also, I just fuck with dark shit. Yeah, you know, I've dabbled. Yeah. I've stuck my toe in the water of the Sith. And he's like, are you a Sith Lord? And he's like, the Jedi are so didactic. They do this.

I'm telling you it's absolute power. Don't you want to save Padme? Like he makes the big leap. Like really quickly. Really quickly. Like I would contend this movie does a horrible job yeah and he's like I'm very scared right now and he's like I know I feel it he's like wait you have the force the last three

times we've talked I've been trying to lay out a couple clear breadcrumbs I fuck with the dark side and I have the force and you're still not getting it hold up hold up who told you have the force. And you're still not getting it. And Anakin's like, wait, wait, wait. Hold up. Hold up. Who told you about the force? Wait, just slow down.

Slow right down. Wait, why do you know about my dress? My name is Anakin Skywalker. I'm a Jedi. What's your name? He's spelling it out for you. I've never met you before. Who are you?

Yeah. So Anakin's like, I should arrest you right now. And he's like, I sense uncertainty. And he's like, oh, shit. He can sense? Oh, boy. I don't know. And he's like, you know arrest you right now. And he's like, I sense uncertainty. And he's like, oh shit, he can sense? Oh boy, I don't know. And he's like, you know that you want to trust me. It's your only way out. He really hits the Padme thing.

Your only way out is to team up with me. I know that I'm a super creepy old man who keeps basically spitting like, like, yeah, Anakin. But if you want to rescue your wife, who you've definitely had at least one troubling dream about, you're probably going to have to throw away all your training and your life's work and join up with me.

And he's probably blowing his mind right now because no one else even knows that Anakin and Padme are married because no one in this galaxy understands anything. Pays any attention to anything. So Anakin runs back to Windu. And he's like, Yo, Windu, Pal's like uh yo Windu um Palpatine's a Sith Lord

he's like what are you talking about no but Windu to his credit is like okay no but they're two like he protests twice I know he does yeah he goes what are you talking about I mean which is fair because it's like if he's a Sith Lord then we really fucked over

yeah but they're also suspicious enough that they ask him to spy on them from the beginning. They know something's wrong. They shouldn't be totally caught off guard. They should go, you know what, that's what it was. We knew there was something weird going on. Oh, he's a Sith Lord. I mean, one assumes they just thought that he was a corrupt politician trying to hold onto power past his turn. Well, Anakin goes like, hey.

I think he's a Sith Lord. Palpatine's a Sith Lord. And Windu's like. No, I think he literally says like, I think he's a Sith Lord. Palpatine's a Sith Lord. And Windu's like. No, I think he literally says like, I think he's a Sith Lord. And Windu's like, oh my, no, really basic misunderstanding. Palpatine's a Chancellor. Yeah, he's the Chancellor, not the Sith Lord. Not the Sith Lord.

Who we don't know the identity of. Don't worry about it. But he's obviously someone very powerful. Not only do I think he's a Sith Lord, I think he's this guy we've been looking for for 10 years. Right. And Mace Windu's like, I'm sorry, could you just repeat that? Very serious accusations. Say it one more time.

And he's like, I think... Chancellor Palpatine was talking about the Force. By the way, what is the Force? He's like, he's talking about the Force, he has a lightsaber, I don't know. I don't think the lightsaber's going to be good. You haven't seen the lightsaber yet. And Windu's like, okay. Windu's like, alright.

I'll go arrest him. Kit Fisto, get two other guys.'s why over there got collar i think his name is asian collar and i don't remember who the other guy is let's hey let's get a couple guys ankin's like you're saying he's the sith lord yeah let's get a couple guys let's get like three guys let's hail a cab yeah hey taxi they hail a space cab corbin dallis and the fifth elements flying in. Yeah, if only. No talk of evidence either.

Yeah, no talk of evidence. No talk of like, whoa, let's really build the case. Yeah. You know, let's really follow the money here maybe. Windu's like, are you sure? Anakin's like, pretty sure. And he's like, okay. Let's go.

Anakin, don't come with us. Anakin's like, no, I'm happy to come with you. No, don't worry about it. He's like, no, you stay here. So then Anakin goes to Padme, I'm happy to come with you. No, no, don't worry about it. He's like, no, you stay here. So then Anakin goes to Padme, talks about how confused he is, and is like, you know what? Fuck this. I'm going to go catch up with them, see what they're doing.

Very cool shot of, it's not like a great shot. You mean of Windu entering? Yeah, it's just like a badass moment. Sam L. Jackson's a wonderful looking person. It's low angle. He's a beautiful man. He's got real presence. He's dressed well. He's wearing great.

He's got two cool aliens over each shoulder. And it's a real practical hallway. Yeah. He's a beautiful man. He's got real presence. He's dressed well. He's wearing great. He's got two cool aliens over each shoulder. And it's a real practical hallway. Yeah, it's a real set. I noticed this one shot. That corridor is real. Because the second they get into the main office, the windows are all CGI. So those shots are like totally real, like people in makeup, whatever. And then he's like,

uh, Palpatine, come with me. Yeah, he's like, come with me. And he's like, no. No, I'm the chancellor. Shut the fuck up. He has some great lines. Because Mace Windu says something like, well, can I get the Senate on you? And he says, I am the Senate.

Because that would be treason. And then he says, no, no, no, no. He says, so it's treason then. He's not fully doing lizard voice yet. He's doing hammy voice. When he says, I am the Senate, he's pretty close to lizard voice. He's getting there. He's towing around it. He's ed fully doing lizard voice yet. He's doing hammy voice. When he says I am the Senate, he's pretty close to lizard voice. He's getting there. He's towing around it. He's edging around lizard voice. And then he just

takes a lightsaber. Clicks out a lightsaber. Coolest lightsaber we've seen so far. It's a really cool. It's red. The handle is very elegant. It's not like so Darth Maul's lightsaber obviously two handed. Very nice. The thing itself was kind of dorky looking.

It had all these buttons on it. This looks like very regal looking. It's very... Dooku's red lightsaber with the curvy thing. That was pretty cool, but a little over the top. A little hot topic, you know? I know what you're saying. He's got a Cadillac lightsaber.

It's understated. It's got no fancy tricks. It's just a good, solid, well-made lightsaber. Then he turns into Flubber. Then he turns into Flubber. And he flubbers around and he flubbers he turns into Flubber and he Flubbers around and he Flubbers into all the other Jedi's

and he Flubbers them to death he kills all the other people other than Mace with Flubber power very quickly yeah it's just like bang and he goes like

now I want to make something something that was not present with Darth Maul or Count Dooku that I do like is that he fights and he kills

with like glee yes and McDermott's really into that you know he's going ha ha I do like is that he fights and he kills with like glee. Yes. And McDermott's really into that. You know, he's going, ha ha. And I think that's supposed to be part of the whole deal, right? Is like he really enjoys this. Here's the thing that I don't like. Even though he's rumbled, he really likes it.

I agree with you. I like that. Here's the thing I don't like. Yeah. And I understand you're going to fully CGI. He's an old man. Okay, but he's not that, that old. Sure.

There are a couple shots where it's literally just Palpatine jousting, where he's standing still and he just sticks his arm out, and he's fully CGI. I know. Where they cut to a different angle, and you see a fully CGI old man just stick his arm out. Like, they couldn't even trust him to do that. I understand the flubber stuff.

You want to spin around if you want to do crazy business. Yeah, but it doesn't look good. It doesn't look good. Part of the problem is he has this big, heavy robe, and, like, they don't know how to animate that at all. Yeah. It's terrible. So.

He has a cool fight with Mace Windu. And he's got him down on the ground. Mace Windu, who is really good at his job, gets him down on the ground. Yeah. Heu, who is really good at his job, gets him down on the ground. Yeah. He's got the, whatchamacallit?

Purple lightsaber? No, the thing that Obi-Wan tries to use against Anakin. High ground? He's got the high ground. I said higher ground. I was looking for

the more specific term and it was just high ground. He's got his lightsaber out and he's like, okay, seriously dude. You're done. Seriously dude, you're under arrest. In comes Anakin Skywalker. And he's like okay seriously dude you're done seriously dude you're under arrest

in comes Anakin Skywalker and he's like don't do this what are you doing you can't kill him I mean no at this point Mace Windu's like

I'm gonna kill you because it's self defense he's killed two of his best friends yeah no I mean kill him yeah it's time for Palpatine to die right

Anakin's like he needs a trial and it's like he's in charge of the fucking thing he's gonna rig it'll be a kangaroo court. It's kind of an annoying scene because they have to have this debate while Palpatine is like...

He's just sitting there going, no, no! He's sort of doing these mock like, oh, don't hurt me, oh, evil little Jedi. Right. Then he starts shooting lightning at him. So he starts shooting lightning. Windu perfectly deflects it. Just by keeping his lightsaber in exactly the place where it was.

Although he is like, you know, he's putting some stress into it. But it's like he doesn't try to attack or retaliate. I know. Palpatine doesn't go like, okay, maybe aim a little higher so that it's not hitting the lightsaber. But the other problem is Anakin sees this and is like, yeah, the guy's shooting the evil lightning that only one other evil Jedi has ever shot. He's like, where have I, I saw the lightning somewhere. I could have sworn it hit me square in the chest this one time. Adi Gallia didn't have it.

So, but he does say, like you say, he's like, I need her. I need, I need him. What are you talking about? Yeah. Windu is like, I don't know what you're talking about. You never talked to him about anything personal. If you're having problems with your personal life, tell me. Because now I have no frame of reference. He's like, I don't know what you're talking about. You never talk to me about anything personal. If you're having problems with your personal life, tell me. Because now I have no frame of reference.

He's like, I don't know what Pat may have done. He's like, Pat, that senator? What are you talking about? He doesn't say that. And he's like, my wife. And it's like, your wife? We already did this bit last week. He goes, my wife. Great. I'm Griffin. This is David Walken, the Griffin Day presenter. I'm not on this podcast anymore.

I resign. So Anakin chops off Mace's hand. Well, first, first, important detail. Oh, oh. Somehow the lightning power getting sucked into the lightsaber and shooting back on him turns him into the Influence. Now here's my question. His flesh turns into Silly Putty and he gets a big butt cheek in the middle of his forehead.

Yeah, he's got these sort of crazy grooves. His forehead is a crease. It looks like two butt cheeks. Yeah. Now, here's my question. Is the implication that this is genuine scarring from lightning? Because if so, that's stupid. That makes no sense.

It's lightning. It would look random and weird on his face, not like these beautiful butt cheeks. Yep, I agree. Or is it that he's always had this mask to look normal, and that's melted away, and this is what he's always looked like underneath? I don't think it's the latter, and I think that would be cool,

if that's what they were implying. I think it's the latter, but I'm not sure. I think the way, because the transformation is done in CGI, as his face is melting. The whole fucking thing. Until it settles, and then it's terrible prosthetics.

Right? Yeah, sure. But also CGI eyes or whatever. He's got red eyes or orange eyes. As his face is melting, it looks like it's not resetting to an earlier state or like the skies are going down. It's slowly morphing into something different.

It doesn't look like it's like, oh, this is his true self. It looks like this is the effects of this specific incident of lightning reflecting off a lightsaber. Which is like, why would it do that? Why would it act that way that quickly? Griffin, we're almost an hour in and we've barely done half of this. This is going to be a three-parter. So Palpatine says something like, you know, Windu's arm gets chopped off and he's like and he goes. Windu's just

he's like this is over he's about to slash down Anakin whips it off. Whips off the hand Windu's like oh. You really feel bad for Windu. Falls out the window. No no no no. The hand falls out the window I'm saying. Hand falls out the window and then he's like power he just says the word

power. He zaps him a lot. I think says the word, power! He zaps him a lot. I think he might say, like, power, absolute power! Yeah. And he zaps Windu and Windu falls out the window. Windu really takes it. It's like a, and, like, finally gets blasted out the window. And now I read an interview, Sam Jackson, he knew he was going to die.

Yeah. And he just said to George Lucas, like, don't make me die, like, lamely. Like, I want to have, to have a really big death. And so he gets one. Yeah. But it's a little late. It's a little late. Because he gets, yeah,

he's got him pinned and then stupid fucking Anakin, who he never liked, comes in and ruins it. I need him. I need him. It's really, honestly, the most annoying moment in the movie for me.

My brother. I watch it every time and every time I just want Windu to at least chop Anakin to bits. And isn't he a Jedi? He's an amazing Jedi. He falls out the window. I mean, he could catch some awning on a building or something. Instead, it's just like it's Wile E. Coyote. He just goes down and hits the ground.

We never see the body. That's it. That's over. Maybe he's still alive. My brother told me when he saw Revenge of the ground. We never see the body. That's it. That's over. Maybe he's still alive. My brother told me when he saw Revenge of the Sith this is like right after he saw it when we were like comparing notes on

you know. Yeah. What we both agreed was the best one yet. Yeah. Right. At the time. And he told me that he got choked up when Mace Windu died. I don't know what to say to that. I got annoyed. Okay. We've seen Mace Windu in three movies Could you give me one adjective To describe his personality

Boring Serious Pope like calm Stern He's stern If Yoda's a little softer he's a little harder He's always there to be like, I don't know. But then he does show up at Attack of the Clones and get like two or three action scenes.

Yeah, and he looks like he's having a little fun. And he's played by Samuel L. Jackson. Well, that's the only reason we feel sad is because we're like, oh man, Samuel Jackson isn't in this movie anymore. You feel sad for like, it's too bad Sam Jackson never really got to cut loose. Whatever. That's his last scene? Okay.

So now- Now Palpatine is scarred. He's got to cut loose. Whatever. That's his last scene? Okay, so now... Now Palpatine is scarred. He's got silly cut face. He immediately, as we discussed last week, he's like, Anakin, come over here. You're a Darth Vader.

Congrats. Can I pause for a second? Please go off and kill some younglings. Pause for one more second. Anakin made a really big leap, which is that Palpatine was like,

this guy could prevent people from dying. Right. Don't you think, I know we keep on talking about the lack of due diligence in these movies, and it's a dead topic, I'm beating the horse, but don't you think he would have been like,

can you introduce me to one of these people who didn't die? Yeah, or do you have like a tape to tell me? Any proof? Any proof? Because there's a pretty easy way to prove. Wait, who told you about the force? Yeah.

But even up until this point, when he's he's like yep I will become a Sith Lord he still has got no evidence that the dark side of the force can prevent people from dying because you know who could prevent from dying Darth fucking Plagueis that's true if he was that powerful then watch your back not be dead anyway Dobson Darth Vader and thenakin goes off on his vader which we discussed

he does all that stuff now let's stick to palpatine though because here's what palpatine does goes back to the senate goes back to the senate and is like fyi i am the emperor this is an imperial empire a galactic empire he's full on talking like a lizard now. Yeah. He's like, the Jedi's have tried to kill me. This is unfortunately my scarring. He presents his face. Right. And no one asks him like, hey, why does your voice sound so evil? Yeah.

Because he's like, yes, the Jedi tried to kill me, but we will have a Galactic Empire. Why do you have the body language of Mr. Burns now? It's crazy. Why are you literally putting on a fake mustache at the end of every sentence just to twirl it? Before that, he was kind of this like, oh, I am Chancellor you know, this old wizard man.

You know, this burden is, you know, does not suit, but I will accept. I'm not going to be paying much attention to you. And then, I am Chancellor Paladin. And there, I am the Chancellor of the League. And there's this line that Padme delivers. Yeah.

Because he says, like, FYI, Republic is dissolved and a democracy. Congrats, it's an empire. Right. If we're going to fucking tackle this, you've got to give me all the power in the world. And everyone's like, power. Everyone just gives it to him. Everyone just applauds. Yeah.

And Padme says, this is how democracy dies, to thunderous applause. Okay. So, George Lucas hates George W. Bush. Sure. applauds yeah and pat may says this is how democracy dies to thunderous applause okay so uh george lucas hates uh george w sure this is 2005 the iraq war is in the middle of its worst quagmire period second term uh bush right has just been re-elected i guess he's being elect he's running for election yeah and this movie is being shot things like that and um you can yeah okay there is this sort of seething quality to Pat May's line reading and to the whole Hitler-esque rise to power thing

that's happening. Creating conflicts that only he can knock down in order to look like the solution. I mean, there was, you remember Bush's whole sort of main angle for his re-election was like, I got us in this middle of the war. You're not going to hire someone else to finish it up. At least let me finish it.

I know you hate this war I started, but you got to let me finish it. And if you're for us, if you're not for us, you're against us. We never discussed that line last week where Anakin says, like, you know, if you're not with me, you're against me. And Obi-Wan says, only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Yeah. Which I think is... I feel like Jedi's deal in absolutes, too. No, a sith deals in absolutes yeah which i think is i feel like jedi's deal in absolutes no only a sith deals in absolutes is an absolute i mean it's it's a very silly whatever yeah there are two types of people in the world people who say there are only two types of people in the world um anyway it's like those that that joke where it's like there are two books that you need to read that the book is like what they teach you at Harvard Business School and what they don't teach you at Harvard Business School. I've never heard that joke.

That's really funny. There are two books that actually call that. That's like the entire wealth of knowledge in the universe. See, I wish Anakin could have just done that. Read the book The Order of the Jedi and then the other one that's not The Order of the Jedi. And then just not have to fucking... Just done research.

So Sidious is the Emperor now. Now he's the Emperor. He's still Palpatine publicly. George Lucas hates George Bush. But he has this ironclad, bulletproof reason to seize power and eliminate the Jedi. Which he does, and that's a whole other episode. We're going to talk about that in another episode? Jedi Holocaust is its own episode.

Order 66. Yeah, that's its own episode. Execute the evil order. Execute Order 6969420. 66, isn't that one six off from Satan? Shouldn't we be worried about this guy? Palpatine. So Palpatine will-

You're worried about Palpatine? We'll discuss it later, but it eliminates the Jedi. It's a Jedi helicopter. And has this one big final scene. Right? Where he fights Yoda. It's flubber and flubber. It's crazy how bad this scene is.

It looks like... Did you think the last Yoda fight was bad? Yeah. Well, we extended it. They're fighting the Galactic Senate with all the floating boxes. Yeah, and they're shooting floating boxes at each other. It looks like an air hockey game where you put too many pucks on the table. Here's what I hate about this scene.

And I can't even remember exactly the specifics of it, but why Yoda decides to go take care of Palpatine. Because Yoda's off on some planet with these things called Wookiees that is this bizarre diversion. Whole other episode. Even for this movie, it's bizarre diversion. Whole other episode. Even for this movie, it's really weird. Whole other episode.

It is so weird. I agree with you that it sets up literally nothing, accomplishes nothing. I have no understanding of why he would... It makes no sense. They're cool looking creatures.

It's almost like he lost a bet. He had to put in 15 minutes of, it's a planet Kashyyyk. It's these hairy. Yeah, these Wookiees, including like a Wookiee called Chewbacca who he like is like, hello Chewbacca, it's nice to meet you.

You know, we are great friends with you. It's so weird. This is his own episode. We'll talk about it later. This is a whole other episode. He keeps on calling out this one Wookiee by name. This one who actually isn't even wearing a lot of shit. A lot of them have these crazy helmets.

Are more visually distinctive because there's signifiers. There's helmets and there's armor and there's hairstyles. This guy has one bandolier. He's like the most vanilla of the Wookiees. He's a hair guy. He's a hairy guy. He's going like, what's your name again? Chewbacca?

I will always remember you, Chewbacca. Chewbacca doesn't seem to help that much. The other guy, the general seems to be Tarfful. Tarfful's the one who seems to really be helping, and he's going like, thanks for everything, Chewbacca. Tarfful's like, are you fucking serious? I'm right here. Anyway, Yoda's like, alright,

Jedi's are getting wiped out. This is bad news. I'm gonna go kill Palpatine. I'm gonna go kill Sidious They have this fight in the Senate What I hate about this fight apart from everything Is that it is so clearly designed So that neither can die Because Lucas has obviously decided

That Sidious obviously can't die And Yoda can't die either For some reason And so I think that's why we have this thing With the Senate with them flinging chairs at each other because otherwise there's no real reason

for them to kind of like have a reason to break off the fight. Sure. The whole thing is so annoying basically. It's sort of like a non-fight. By the whole thing

do you mean this entire movie? This entire series of films. Right. And it just drives me crazy. Anyway that's the last swing someone gets at Palpatine. Yes. And at Palpatine uh

yes um and then Palpatine for the rest of the movie is just uh helping Anakin become Darth Vader I mean he essentially

sets Anakin to kill off everyone yeah he's like to help him in the rest Anakin shows up and is like uh what should I do and he's like

go to Jedi Temple wipe him out he does that kill the Jedi Anakin shows up what should I do and he's like no he doesn't kill Grievous.

No, but I'm saying all he's doing the whole film is going like, Knocking down everybody. Kill Grievous. Tying up all the loose ends. Yeah, but it's all the people he's used to help him get to this point. Grievous dies. Yes. Which is more Dick Cheney.

I mean, I guess this movie's saying that he's Dick Cheney and that Anakin is George Bush. I don't know. It's fucking sloppy. Yeah. The Neimoidians die and all the other separatists. The separatists get wiped out.

And Dooku obviously dies early in the movie. You know, so. Yeah. Bail Organa survives. He squeaks by. Yeah. Now, Bail Organa

is still in the Senate, though. Oh, yeah. So there's this implication that he's going to kind of keep the Senate, but it'll just be like a sort of a rubber stamp, I guess is the idea

for his policies. It's sort of weird. I don't know. I guess just to keep everything in line. Because Organa says something like he's gonna need the Senate to run things, even if he doesn't like it. Yeah, quick sidebar. Last week I talked about the young Jedi boy who saved... Yeah, the

Lucas kid. Right. His character's name is Zet Jukasa. Do you know what his real name is? What? Jet Lucas. His name is Jet? Yeah, like a jet.

Like a jet pack. Like John Travolta's kid had it. John's son. R.I.P. Yeah, R.I.P. Jet. Jet. Jet.

You're doing the Paul McCartney song? It's a good song. I had a friend in high school named Jet, and we would sing that whenever he walked in the room. Used to be my phone ringtone. Really? It's a good song. I had a friend in high school named Jet, and we would sing that whenever he walked in the room. It used to be my phone ringtone. Really? It's a really good song. It's a good phone ringtone because it's like,

da, da, da, da, is how it starts. Jet! Yeah. Okay. Sidious saves Anakin from the lava and turns him into Darth Vader and this and that. Merchandise spotlight. Yeah, and we should say,

the film ends with his 100% complete and total triumph. If there's a real protagonist to these movies, you could argue that it's him in that it's like he's the only character who accomplishes all his goals, ends up, you know, ends on a high note. Yeah.

And at the end, he's looking out. They're building that thing. What's it called? Death Planet? A killer... Killer star? A killer ship. Yeah.

You know, and he's just like... Definitely a killer star. You know, Anakin is with him, but Anakin's all messed up, and he's in this robot suit. A couple of the Jedi survived, okay? Obi-Wan, Yoda, but, you know. He should be the lead character of this film. He's almost the lead character of this film.

He does have a lot of breaks though. Watching only his scenes reminded me of how many scenes he is not in. Yeah. And what a waste those scenes are. I know. You could have him in more scenes. He should fight everyone. It's a delicious performance. It's an interesting character. He's having a lot of fun with it. It's the only interesting arc throughout the three films. No! fun with it. It's the only interesting arc throughout the three films.

No! But, it's the only interesting arc, but it makes you wish that episode one was him training under Plagueis. No! Right? Don't you wish? Yeah, sure, fine, yeah.

And then episode two was them finding Anakin. But he's the Phantom Menace. I know. Anyway. Merchandise Spotlight. In 2005, for the release of Revenge of the Sith, Burger King did two series of promotions. One for the home video release, one for the theatrical release.

And they released a lot of what one would call super deformed toys. In the super deformed toys. In the super deformed line. I think it's not politically correct, but it's a Japanese name, SD, or when toys are very stylized, almost like caricatures of how the characters actually look. They make toys that are more cartoonish and caricatured. So I did two series of that

where they had 30 different fucking toys to collect in different sections. And they had like 30 different fucking toys to collect in like different sections and they were grouped into different things and so they made two of them one here this was in the first series this is Emperor Palpatine so it's like huge head right

oh I see he's like 90% head yeah he's basically head, a couple of hands. Two big hands stuck together. Stuck together and pointing palm out. Yeah. And then a hood. Right. Yeah.

And it's a classic Darth Sidious as we know him from Phantom Mass where you can't really see his face because the hood's coming down so low. Right. But it's like, okay. And you got some characters we all recognize in this series. You got Obi-Wan. You got Padme. You got Plush Dactyl.

You got Jar Jar. You've got Chewbacca and Tarfful. Yeah. Now, all these toys had features. What would you assume that you're making Emperor Palpatine, you're going to get in Burger King. This guy's hands out. What would you assume?

Lightning. No, he shoots water. He's a water gun. He's a little water. Look, they didn't. It's not because it's not structured. It doesn't have that much force to it. What if he shot water in the maze window scene?

He's just soaking Samuel L. Jackson. David, that's why I'm bringing this up. He's in the kind of position that he was in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just a little bit of water squirts out. It's just like a little spritz. Okay, so then this is the other one. This was like the post-transformation.

Oh, here he is. He's got a lightsaber in his hands. Right. He's got red eyes. The red robe, the red eyes, the mushy face. What do you think this one does? Once again, super deformed. I don't know.

Just tell me. It's a top. It's a spinning top. You spin him around? Yeah. I like that. So you lift off the top half of his body from the robes, and then the bottom half of his body is just a top, and you spin him around.

What can some of the other ones do? You've got Bail Organa here. Yeah, there was one- What can he do? Can he shout no? He's a shadow caster, which means that, yeah, we can talk about this a little bit. It means if you put him in the sun, he casts a shadow? I believe he projects, like he can project a little symbol on the wall.

I think that's what he can do. Anyway. Like a bat signal. How many of these toys did you own? I didn't own any of them. I can tell you that I had zero Revenge of the Sith merchandise. Jedi Wisdom, you can get a Kit Fisto or a Mace Windu that are like magic eight balls. Yeah.

So you shake them and then you look under their robes. Ignore any pressing threats. It would be that kind of advice. Yeah, but you shake them and then you look. The window is at the bottom of their robe, so it's like you turn it around. Instead of seeing a wiener, you get advice. You get life advice instead of seeing a wiener. It's like an upskirt. You're doing an upskirt.

Now this is weird, because all these toys, I recognize all these guys. You've got your Padme. You've got your Anakin. You've got your Chewbacca. I don't know why there's so much. You've got your Yoda. You've got Obi-Wan. He's old! Why do they keep doing this? Old Obi-Wan. Maybe it was a deleted scene? Maybe they thought the movie was going to end later?

That's true. That's fair. I don't know. I don't recognize this guy. This must be a background Jedi. Yeah Maybe it was a deleted scene. Maybe they thought the movie was going to end later. That's true. That's fair. I don't know. I don't recognize this guy. This must be a background Jedi. Yeah, it's background Jedi. Like. I can't see.

This was done as a brain teaser. All right. So this was the pamphlet they gave you when you bought a Happy Meal. And you were supposed to fill in the letters to complete someone's name. And so it's missing letters. when you bought a Happy Meal, and you were supposed to fill in the letters to complete someone's name. And so it's missing letters, and it says L-K-S-K-W-L-K-R. I have no idea who that is.

Anyway. Letter's missing, but I don't remember that character. Anyway, great promotion. Go out on eBay and buy all of them. Gotta catch them all. Here's Wado. You can wind up and he does backflips. This was from the first series. And there was an appropriately aged Obi-Wan Kenobi.

And it says, look inside for a surprise. And this was also, the looking inside was looking up the skirt. You look up the skirt and then you stick your eye to it like a kaleidoscope and you see a picture from those movies that you love. Great merchandise spotlight. Butt picture. Well, I'm Griffin. Oh, we're just rapping?

No, I was going to intro. I thought call an audible. I'm David Sims. Let's start over. Welcome to Griffin Day to present Revenge of the Podcast. I feel like we've done like eight comedy bang bang pics on this episode just by mistake. We're stealing a lot. Yeah. Well, you could call us a couple Palpatines over here.

Why is that? Because we're bad? I don't know. We're getting sloppy. I love what they do with this guy in this movie. It's my favorite part of this movie. There's a lot of problems. There's a lot of logical plot hole issues. But it's definitely my most positive

part my most positive like reaction is to this stuff no question i i would say what the hell man why wasn't there more of him in the other two movies he should be the fucking main character this trilogy i don't know anyway it's just weird to make a three-part saga with the end of the three parts is the lurking evil who has dominated events behind the scenes for three movies gets exactly what he wants and everyone else gets screwed over. Yeah, I don't fucking understand. This is what I was saying last week. What is he trying to do? The bad guy gets everything he wants and the good guy just becomes bad. George Lucas is a pessimist.

He's a pessimist. And he hates passion. And he hates George W. Bush. Producer Ben, final thoughts. So, talking about this character reminded me of the film The Devil's Advocate.

With Pacino, Keanu Reeves, Connie Nielsen, Charlize Theron. So, this might be a little controversial, but I was just thinking, I'd love to to see Pacino as Palpatine. That'd be great. Wouldn't that be good? It's over the top.

You'd chew it up. Power! Power! Not from a Jedi! So I would love to see that. We could explore that further. It's interesting. There's not a lot of Italians in these movies.

No. It's a very English-British sort of flavor the whole time. You could do with a little more ethnic flavor. Yeah, I mean, Portman's one of the chosen people. That's true. Smits is a Hispanic. He's Hispanic. I believe he's Cuban.

I'm not absolutely sure on his heritage. But no, it'd be great. This is the start of a new segment. At the end of every episode, let's pick a character and pretend that someone else played that. Why didn't we ever do that before? That's great. This is such a great game. I know.

Although, I've worked so- I'm from... Adrenae! Who's that? Pacino. That's Pacino? Your old one was better. It's fun.

Your first go around. I tried to focus more on the pause in between and the physicality, but it didn't work because this is a podcast. What's the last good Pacino performance? Jesus Christ. Jack and Jill. I'm not even being facetious. He's really good in Jack and Jill.

All right. Well, apart from Jack and and Jill which I haven't seen Donnie Brasco you don't think insomnia oh yeah no insomnia I love insomnia I think he's great I do too I forgot no I just forgot about I also think he's

great in angels in America but that's technically not a film yeah I think he's a little hammy in that yeah but I think it's good hammy I think insomnia is the last great one I'm looking he's genuinely very good I'm not yeah fucking no he's great in hammy. I think Insomnia is the last great one. And he's genuinely very good.

I'm not fucking... No, he's great in Insomnia because he's quiet. No, I'm saying he's great in Dragon's Tale. I'm not trolling. He's great in Dragon's Tale. No, he's not. Okay, so Pacino as Dossidious. Let's make it happen, people.

And I don't know what else I have to say. Next week we'll hopefully have a guest. I know we keep on ending every episode saying we're going to have a guest and then scheduling a conflicts permit. I know. It's funny because I had a 20 minute, maybe half hour conversation with Mike Ryan on the corner of 65th Street and Broadway

after we saw Carol at the New York Film Festival. When was this? When did I see Carol? Two days ago. In which he started like, I'm sorry I couldn't make the podcast. And then he proceeded to talk my ear off for half an hour about Revenge of the Sith and I was like, well you should come

on. And he was like, no I'm going to come on. Anyway, it's crazy when this happens. We're going to get my crying on as a guest. We have a lot of other great guests coming. That's one spoiler alert and a spoilerific episode of Revenge of the Podcast. Next week, no spoilers. Next week, let's keep it clean. We'll talk about the Space Holocaust.

I don't know. We'll talk about something. We have topics. We've got topics for days. We've got topics falling out of our fucking pockets. Well, I'm tired. I'm tired, too. I don't know why I'm so tired. Yeah, it's a tiring time of year. The rains come.

It's the most tiring time of the year. No Christmas music. It wasn't. It was a Tyreween song. You know Tyreween, the holiday where we all get tired? Tyreween? Okay. Well, thank you for listening.

Please scrub scribe. Oh, my God. I'm literally melting. My forehead is turning into butt cheeks. Wrinkles are appearing all over my God. I'm literally, I'm melting. My forehead is turning into butt cheeks. Wrinkles are appearing all over my face. This is a goofy episode. It's good because last week we were really kind of bummed out by the end. Yeah, did you listen to it though?

No, it's good. Yeah, it's great. I know, it's great. We're great. Sometimes I think these episodes aren't good and I listen to them. Sometimes I'm like, what did we even talk about? I know. And then I listen back and it's like, no, it's fine.

It's probably all Ben's editing hand oh yeah I cut out a lot of stuff last week's episode it's crazy though this like literally is the best podcast of all time is it crazy? it's not crazy no it makes a lot of sense okay well we're monsters

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