Blank Check with Griffin & David - Minority Report with Joanna Robinson

Episode Date: March 6, 2017

Joanna Robinson (Vanity Fair) joins Griffin and David to discuss 2002’s dystopian thriller: Minority Report.

John, don't podcast. You don't have to chase me. You don't have to chase me. You don't have to podcast. Everyone podcasts, Fletch. So stupid. The way he says, you don't have to run. I love that. Wanted to get that.

Everyone podcasts, Fletch. Well, it's episode two of Fletchcast, of course, as implied there. Hi, everybody. My name is Griffin Damon. I'm David Sims. This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin David. It's hosted by us. We are hashtag the two friends. And this is a podcast where we

study filmography. Directors who have massive success early on and are given a series of blank checks from the Bank of Hollywood to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. Sometimes those checks clear. Sometimes they do. Yeah.

Sometimes they clear. This one cleared. But sometimes they bounce, baby. Yes. This is a clear, though. I think this is a clear. Financially, it was a mild clear, but artistically, it's a...

Yeah. I think somewhat of a disappointment in relation to celestial expectations. Sure. People like had intergalactic expectations for what this movie was going to do. And then it was terrestrial. Uh-huh. But a very good movie that I think has aged very well. Let's not say the name. No, never.

What if that's our goal is that we never say the title of the film the whole episode? That would be annoying. Let's see how long we can do it. No, I don't want to. Okay. This is a miniseries about the films of a little guy named Stevie Spielberg. Is he little? Oh, I don't know. I'm going to look up his height.

Can I throw out a guess? Five, eight. Bingo. Really? On the nail. Here's the thing. Short guys can spot short guys. How tall is his spouse?

Google tells me. Kate Capshaw? Can I throw out a guess? Yeah. Five, nine. Five, seven? Google tells me. Kate Capshaw? Can I throw out a guess? Yeah. 5'9". 5'7". What about Jessica Capshaw? In this movie. In this movie. In this movie. In this movie. Little role. Yeah.

We have a guess. She's 5'5". Jessica Capshaw. Kate Capshaw, of course. Her mother. Steven Spielberg, her stepfather. And this has been that episode of Family Tree. Capshaw, of course. Her mother. Steven Spielberg, her stepfather. And this has been that episode of Family Tree. Capshaw Family Tree.

This is a series called Pod Me If You Cast. It's about the films of Steven Spielberg in the DreamWorks era. He made his dreams work. We should do that every time. Although this one doesn't have it. Right?

Oh, it does, but it's got an eerie... Does this drop out the sound or just has the weird watery logo? It has the sound. It has the music, but it's creepy now. It's ominous. Yeah. And today we're talking about his first of two 2002 releases. True.

He went two for two, oh two. Two for two, two, oh two. Two for two, two, oh two. Two for two, two, oh oh two. Just stop while you're ahead

and you're not ahead. Two, two. Mm-hmm. Babinowitz. I don't know. I don't get it. My great uncle's name is Stuart Rabinowitz.

We call him two, two Babinowitz. Go. And this motion picture is called Minority Report. Yeah, that's right. And today, as our guest. Phenomenal guest. So excited. Flown that's right. And today, as our guest.

Phenomenal guest. So excited. Flown all the way from Los Angeles, as we do. We always pay our guests. No, from the Bay Area. From Northern California. Northern California. Really?

Where in? Oakland. Oh, my Lord. Oak Town. Do you ever hang out with the- What's the nickname of Oakland? What do you call it? I was about to say the big, but then I didn't.

The big oak tree? Oak Town. Oak Town? Is Oak Town the term? Oak Town about to say the big but then I didn't. The big oak tree? Oaktown. Oaktown? Is Oaktown the term? You ever hang out with Billy Bean? No. Should I? I don't know. I like Moneyball. I feel like every time I watch that I'm like I'd love to get drinks with this guy one time. Maybe I'll make that

my 2017 New Year's resolution. That's a great one. I'll match you on that. Let's do it together so we can motivate each other to both get drinks with Billy Bean. According to Wikipedia, Bump City is a nickname for Oakland. Literally never heard that. And the motto of Oakland is love life. Wait, is Bump City as in like cocaine bumps? I don't know.

This might be a slightly inappropriate, problematic term. I hear that and I think of a bad shave. You know, I'm like, this is a bad shave. I got bumps all over. No, it's an old nickname. My face is B bump city right now. Pot holes? Like too many pot holes

in Oakland? Nah, maybe. Buckle your seatbelt is going to be a bumpy ride through Oakland? It was the name of Tower of Power's

second album and of John Crick's book. You know what? You know what? I'm going to shut up. Okay. Joanna Robinson is here. Hello.

Today from Vanity Fair. I forgot we were still introducing her. From Vanity Fair from a thousand podcasts. Oh my God. Storm of Spoilers. Or is it more just sort of the Joanna Robinson podcast universe? Yeah, sort of like the MCU, but they did like what, JRPU?

That does not roll trippingly off the tongue at all. You're sort of an adjunct fighting in the war room member? Yeah, like an honorary chair. I'm fighting in the war room member? Yeah, like an honorary chair. I'm fighting in the war room, Storm of Spoilers, Cast of Kings, Little Gold Men, Decoding Westworld. A lot. Thought bubble sometimes. That's it.

That's it. Just that. What show do you think Decoding Westworld is going to cover next? Do you have one lined up? Boom. Dino Truck season two until Westworld comes back. Troll Hunters. Yeah. You just haveino Truck season two until Westworld comes back. Yes. Troll hunters.

Yeah. You just have to filter everything through the Westworld prism. You have to watch another show but pretend it takes place in the Westworld universe. Let me promise you that Westworld will come up while we're talking about this movie because I thought about it a lot while I was watching this movie. Oh, I did too. I mean, yes, this movie is all about predestination and fate versus sort of programming and if you'll do something if you're told to do something and all that sort of stuff. I mean it has a lot of overlap.

Sure. Minority Report. Minority Report is the movie. Is the film. Year's 2002. Stevie has AI was the year earlier. That's right. Was a disappointment. Yeah. Financially and critically. Big budget

sci-fi. Emotionally, personally for me. Him taking over Kubrick. And now here comes, this was a real event because for years there had been this talk of like, Spielberg and Cruise want to do something together. It was always nebulous. There were different projects. It was different things. But it was always like, God, if you could get those two guys to make a movie together,

barn doors. We should say. Going to be blown off. The big one that they almost made together is Rain Man. Yes. Spielberg was attached to Rain Man, was working on Rain Man. Right. And gave it to Barry Levinson to make Last Crusade.

Yeah. And that was pre-Spielberg Oscars. So it was one of the, I think it became this running joke that Spielberg kept moving off of projects that then won Oscars. Because there's another one. Rain Man's one of them, but the other one is a camera. Yeah. Some other big 80s movie that he left.

And then until Schindler's List, anytime he kind of picked a strategic Oscar picture, it wasn't the right fair for him. Like Color Purple or Empire of the Sun. Those were like his rare flops. Even always I think for him was kind of like an Oscar play. You know, certainly more than like a commercial play.

Okay, so they've been talking about working together. Here, I've got some stuff for you. This is a Philip K. Dick story. It was optioned by Gary Goldman in the early 90s. He wrote a script, and the script keeps getting moved around. It was going to be made as a sequel to Total Recall. What?

Yes. Fascinating. They were going to insert... What's his name in Total Recall? He has a hilarious... Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's a hilarious, ridiculous name that would never exist in the real world. Yeah, Arnold Schwarzenegger. No, it's not hilarious. It's Douglas Quaid. It's almost hilarious in that it's too normal.

Right, because I always think he's the third Quaid brother. That's the thing. I like watching that movie and pretending he's Randy and Dennis' brother. So, yeah, they were going to put John- I mean, it doesn't even make sense. It's going to be like, ha, you sure had some fun on Mars. Anyway, back on Earth, we created pre-crime. Anyway, that was the original idea.

Jan de Bont was going to direct it. Because he's got executive producer credit on this movie. Yes, coming off of Speed. That would have been extraordinary. Right off of Speed. And then Cruise gets attached, or he at least reads the script. He gives it to Spielberg,

and he says, there's something here, although we need to totally gut this script. Right. And so... Yeah, because the guy, there are two writers credited on this film, and one of the two writers, this is his only credit ever.

John Cohen, I believe. Right, and then the other one is Scott Frank. Scott Frank, who wrote on Out of Sight. He's a great writer, and he's the one who guts the script. Marley and me, he's a great writer. But there's another example of that where Total Recall's a great writer. But there's like another example that we're like total recalls a similar thing where a dude optioned the rights to that story and like pushed up the hill for years and years and years until Schwarzenegger or Verhoeven or De Laurentiis, one of the three, latched onto it first and said like, oh, there's something here. Bought it from him.

Pushed him off of it. He gets money off a total recall forever. Right. But like they didn't use his script at all and I think that was kind of the deal with this guy too

because you have to assume short story this dude fleshed it out Cruise looks at it goes interesting themes interesting ideas let's get a new story in here

let's get a steady hand in here Scott Frank comes in with his Wolverine claws slashes through it builds a new you know building and then Speely

is like Speely we're calling him Speely we're not calling new building. And then Speely is like, yeah. Speely? I can't call him Speely. We're not calling him Speely. I'm calling him Speely. I'm going to try out a couple different hats this episode. So Cruz and Spielberg take 15 points instead of a big salary to keep the budget down. Each.

Each. Which, like, this is, that must be the height of studios that have to, after this, be just like, fuck no. You can't get all the money. Well, I'll tell you what the height of this that have to, after this, be just like, fuck no. You can't get all the money. Well, I'll tell you what the height of this was, and we'll, I'm sure, cover it later. War of the Worlds was the turning point, right? Right, War of the Worlds, right. That was the one where I think the two of them got, like, 50% of the movie. And people were like, fuck this.

Right. Yeah. No more. Anyway, so, you know, they're going to make the movie. Then Cruise has to make Mission Impossible 2. And that was a famously long, crazy schedule because it gets DeGray Scott out of the Wolverine role. Best decision an actor has ever made. Guys I love

just recapping early 2000s Hollywood history so John August also does a polish Frank Darabont does a little bit of work although he's making The Majestic My favorite Jim Carrey movie I have never seen The Majestic. It's good I mean it's so The Majestic. My favorite Jim Carrey movie. I have never seen The Majestic.

It's good. No. I mean, it's so... No, it's not good at all. The reputation is so horrible. It's not good at all. Griffin, you're eating the loudest bagel. To be fair, what was loud was the bag.

We haven't heard the bagel yet, although, God, I hope it was well toasted. Fingers crossed. It's crunchy. And then the film's delayed, so Spielberg can make AI, because he demands... He's like, when Kubrick demands, he's like, when Kubrick dies, he's like, I got to make AI. So he makes AI. They offer the role of Witwer to Matt Damon.

Ooh. They offer Iris Hinneman to Meryl Streep. Ooh. I mean, I'm glad neither of these came to pass because I love the performers in those roles. Yeah. I offer Burgess to Ian McKellen. Wait, Meryl Streep, the wife?

Iris Hinneman. No, Iris Hinneman. No, no, no. Like in the greenhouse. Oh, oh, oh. McKellen. Wait, Meryl Streep, the wife? Iris Hineman. No, Iris Hineman. No, no, no, like in the greenhouse. Oh, oh, oh, of course, of course, of course, yes. They offer Agatha to Cate Blanchett, who remember in 2002 kind of makes sense. She's in a similar sphere as Samantha Morton. She's not yet like anointed like great actress.

No, I'd say Cate Blanchett was like one step ahead of Samantha Morton at that point. She's still in like the missing. They were neck and neck. They both kind of like Samantha Morton. They each have only one Oscar nomination at the time. And I was going to say, I'd say Samantha Morton and Cate Blanchett were kind of in a early mids 2000s Jake Gyllenhaal, Colin Farrell kind of thing. Oh, where they're like interchangeable in your mind?

Well, there was sort of like a thing where it's like, okay, these guys both have a lot of expectations on them. We're putting them in big blockbusters. We're putting them in dramas. They both have conventional Lee Man looks, but sort of character actor chops. And it's just like, which one's gonna pop? Which one's gonna go? Right. And finally, Jenna Elfman

was gonna play his wife. What? These were like people who were in... Dharma herself. Dharma herself. Dharma herself. The inventor of the Dharma Initiative. Jenna Elfman. Yeah. But then it gets delayed

so they all have to get moved. And so obviously you got Colin Farrell, you got Lois Smith, you got Max von Sydow, you got Samantha Morton, you got. This is a big bump

for Colin Farrell though, wasn't it? A bomb? No, bump. Oh yeah, huge. Huge step up for him. This is like Colin Farrell though wasn't it? Bomb? No bump. Oh yeah huge. Huge step up. This is like Colin Farrell goes from like the guy who's

in stuff but everyone's like give me a fucking break like these movies are bad like what's the hype about Colin to like oh he's in a serious movie and he stands out. Um Tigerland well yeah. Well Tigerland obviously that's his like that's when he pops. That was his calling card. But after that he's in American Outlaws and Hearts War.

Oh. And so I think everyone's like, oh, is this not a thing? Oh, is this not a thing? And then you see Minority Report, you're like, oh, this is a thing. You're like, aha. American Outlaws, I think, was shot before. And I think Hearts War, yeah, because it came out. Both those movies come out before Minority Report.

Right. I'm just saying, I think American, what I meant to just saying, I think American Outlaws was shot before Tigerland. Because that was the thing where everyone was like, who's this fucking guy? Oh, sure. That was the movie where he kind of popped. That's what I'm saying. And then it was... Jesse James.

Right. And then that movie came out afterwards when they were like, oh, now maybe he's a star. I think it was on a shelf for a while and then bombed. And then I feel like Minority Report and Hearts War were the two where they were like, okay, here's a two-hander. Not a two-hander, but he's going to be second-billed to a huge pre-established movie star. Right. And it was that sort of thing that Hollywood tries sometimes

where it's like, let's put him underneath a guy that America feels comfortable with. Yeah, sure. And ease him in. And then The Recruit's the following year. And those are the three movies where they were like... Well, Phone Booth is also 2002. That was the one they let him top line.

Yeah. But the other three, like Hearts War, he's the lead character in. Where Bruce Willis is like the star. He's above the title. It's his face on the poster. Right. And then in 03, he does Daredevil. Right.

The Recruit, which I saw in theaters. That movie is abominable. Yeah. The SWAT. No, no, no. And then one of the greatest works in American cinema history. The SWAT? SWAT.

SWAT. I call it the SWAT. The SWAT. Guys, have you seen SWAT I call it the SWAT I've seen SWAT guys have you seen SWAT have you seen SWAT oh yeah Michelle Rodriguez Michelle Rodriguez

Jeremy Renner Josh Charles Brian Ben Holt LL Cool J Olivia Martinez fucking I will give you five million dollars

no no no one hundred million dollars he's the best yeah he's great in that movie and fucking come on man Reggie Cathy hundred million dollars. He's the best. Yeah, he's great in that movie. And fucking, come on, man.

Reggie Cathy. Oh, Reggie Cathy. He's the boss who's had too much of their shit. Yeah. He literally says, SWAT stands for Special Weapons and Tactics. Where were your tactics out there? Why isn't this a SWAT cast? Seriously, I'm obsessed with the movie SWAT. Or the SWAT cast.

At one point, Samuel L. Jackson rejects the character for not wanting to eat a hot dog from being on his special SWAT team. He says, how can I have someone who won't eat a good old-fashioned American hot dog? Well, duh. In his defense, Reggie Cathy is really cranky in that movie, but it's only because he's so tired having to adopt all these Bosnian war child. That's a good joke. Bosnian war child? Yeah, no, it's a good joke. That's a good joke. Bosnian war child.

Yeah, no, it's a good joke. Fantastic four. Yeah, he was in that. Okay, so sorry. Minority Report. So you've got, you know, so but yeah,

he gets his cast together. He makes Minority Report. It's the end of the story. Oh, what I was going to say was the production. Then he finally does. Then he does make it and here's the movie.

This was the thing I wanted to say. Fuck, where was it? Yes, here. Okay. Because this is also, talk This was the thing I wanted to say. Fuck. Where was it? Yes. Here. OK. Because this is also talk about like, oh, 15 points, 15 points. They wouldn't let that happen today. Here's another thing that doesn't happen anymore.

Right. Yeah. This sort of like, OK, Colin Farrell, he's anointed. He's the next guy. Hollywood wants to make it happen. Right. He gets a big part in something like this. What do you think Colin Farrell, who's second build in this, right, got paid for this movie?

Coming off of Tigerland and coming off of, you know, American Outlaws, which was on a shelf and had bombed, knowing he had a couple big movies coming out, you know, what do you think he got for this film? 250 grand.

$2.5 million. What? Yeah. He's talked about how, like, you know, he got thrown into the deep end. That was like a fucking thing that would happen then. Yeah.

You know? And he was on all the magazines. Yes. It was just like, it was one of the- He is hot. Right. He is fucking the hottest guy. He's a great looking guy.

And I love Cole Farrell. I think he's really talented. You feel like I was coming at you like with like, Joanna, he's hot. Joanna, he is extremely good looking. Joanna, he's fucking beautiful. Okay? So hot. No, but I feel like they kind of tried to Gretchen Maul him and make him a thing before

he was a thing. No, no, definitely. People got a little sick of him being crammed down their throats. But unlike Gretchen Maul, he's like, yeah, but except, I mean, Gretchen Maul is talented, but he's like really talented. It doesn't matter what garbage movies I make, I will keep coming back. That's the thing. I mean, I think Gretchen Maul is actually better now than she was then.

Yeah. I think Gretchen Maul has become a pretty interesting character actress. I think Colin Farrell was always very good, but I think he has been very open about the fact that he had a lot of substance issues at the time, that he was blacked out through a lot of these movies. He was an alcoholic. And then he spirals into other things. There are movies he doesn't remember making.

My favorite Colin Farrell movie, Miami Vice, is the one where he's like, I don't remember making that movie. I don't remember any of it. I went straight into rehab after making it. Now I want to, I've never seen it. Now I want to watch it. One of my favorite films of all time. And just like, and like look for the glazed eyes. He definitely, I mean, it works for the part.

Sure. Because he definitely looks completely fucking bomb. Because that's Bumptown. Yeah. Miami Vice is Bumptown, man. Yeah. That movie is also shot all at night on DV video.

So everyone looks like they're drunk. Like that's just kind of the visual style at that point. But yeah it's just like a crazy thing where I think that

never works if the media tries to tell people to like someone. They have to organically fall in love with someone. Yeah. And they saw the

thing. But like and it's still the thing. But like, and it's still the problem. Hollywood still hasn't figured out the right vehicle for him. He's one of those guys where it's like, first of all,

I think he's always better the smaller the movie is. Like the lobster? Yeah, I think he's best maybe when he's working more with like a character part or with a really interesting director.

He always gets kind of swallowed up in big movies. Well, he's always, he's good, but he gets kind of lost. The worst Colin Farrell parts are things like The Recruit. The Winter's Tale. Ask the Dusk, Winter's Tale, the fucking Total Recall remake,

where it's like he's fine as a leading man, but he's not that interesting. It's not about Colin Farrell at all. He needs more to work with. He needs weird shit to work with. Obviously, his greatest role is... Oh, boy, he's eating. that interesting. It's not about Colin Farrell at all. He needs more to work with. He needs like weird shit to work with. Obviously his greatest role is oh boy he's eating he just swallowed

half a bagel. Daredevil. I hate you. Hate you. What do you think is his greatest role? In Bruges? I think his best performance

is in Bruges. Not Alexander? I'll stand for Alexander baby. I like Alexander. The two McDonagh movies he's great at. I took my friends all my friends in college to see Alexander.

They only came with me because they thought Angelina Jolie was going to be naked in the film, which she was not. Look, it was college. People are stupid. Rosario Dawson. Yeah, Rosario Dawson. She is. That's true. That did not appease them for whatever reason.

She's like seven types of naked in that movie. That's a whole lot of naked. We watched that movie. It's a tough movie. Not just six types of naked. No, a full seven types of naked. Yeah, a full seven. One for every day of the week.

I counted them. I bought a checklist. I think some of my friends did not speak to me for over a week for taking them to see that movie. I've had that happen. I was a huge fan of that. Australia. I think Australia was the one that I paid for for a long time. Well, I will say

you say he gets swelled up in bigger movies, but I thought he was really good in Fantastic Beasts actually I did too although he obviously has a smaller role he has a smaller part and that movie does

dirty by him I know he should have had way more to work with there I think he's great that one interrogation scene he's phenomenal he's so good

and he's like really good at wand work is that a stupid thing to say no no no you're right it's with intention he's so good I think,

but I also think that Colin Farrell has come out of the other side and has, you know, he's a better, you know, more committed actor now. And I think he doesn't like

being the traditional leading man. I think he always wears that a little uncomfortably. He's your, we were talking about Goldblum. Right. He's your off-ball guy.

Right. You know, he like in Fright Night, he's fantastic, but he's not quite the lead. Oh, he's wonderful in that. Oh, I love Fright Night. Fright Night is a Night, he's fantastic, but he's not quite the lead. Oh, he's wonderful in that. Oh, I love Fright Night. Fright Night is a special little movie.

Yeah, but it's like what Griffin was saying about Jake Gyllenhaal, that these are actually character actors, or what people say about Brad Pitt sometimes is like they're too handsome so they get mistaken for boring, weedy men. They're pretty cute. We talked about Jude Law on AI. Of course, that happens to Jude Law. Yes. The difference, I mean, Brad Pitt's interesting because Brad Pitt is the best looking guy

in the world who's innately kind of a character actor, but most of his best performances aren't hiding his looks. Like, I feel like a lot of guys like Colin Farrell or Jake Gyllenhaal get better if they're scruffier, if they can hide behind something. Sure. Like, Brad Pitt needs to play character type people. Play off of his movie style. Who are really good looking and really charismatic

but kind of broken. Moneyball is his best. Or up there at least. Right, but it's playing the broken version. Even the Ocean's movies. Yeah. The first two are special. He has to be playing someone who wears that uncomfortably. Whereas Colin Farrell would rather gain a bunch of weight and grow a mustache and whatever. Let's talk about a different movie star.

Tommy Cruise? Tom Mpother, right? Isn't that his name? Thomas Cruise Mpother. Can I just throw out one counterpoint? And William Mpother in this movie.

Yes, with some extraordinary hair. Ethan Roth himself. Yes. Can I just throw out one final thing about Colin Farrell's salary just as a point of comparison?

Sure. Colin Farrell in 2002 gets $2.5 million to be a supporting character in Minority Report. In 2010 or 2011, whatever it was, do you know how much Andrew Garfield got paid for playing Spider-Man? Oh, God.

What, like a million? No, it was like $300,000. Oh, my God. Are you serious? That's the shift in movie stardom between now and then. I assume it was one of those deals where it's like it scales, right? That was always how they would get you, right? It's like, yeah, you only get this for this,

but by Amazing Spider-Man 9, you're going to make $20 million. He'd make $1 million by the last film. And it's like, oh, sorry, buddy. What kind of shit? It was obvious Colin Farrell had an amazing agent. Unbelievable. And everyone was buying it at that point in time. But I just think like, not for 2.5, but I'd buy that for a dollar.

He is hot, right? You said it. I just pointed it to her. He's a good looking guy. I remember him in all the magazines wearing all the jewelry and getting away with it. He wore a lot of jewelry in 2002. And he was dating everybody. And he had a lot of, yeah. And slouchy beanies.

A lot of slouchy beanies. I remember when he and Britney showed up at a party together and it was this collision of two giant black holes. Yes. And they were a fucking mess. Yeah. And it was like this collision of two giant black holes. And they were a fucking mess. Yeah. And it was like, oh, he's unstoppable now. There's nothing he can't do.

Yeah. He brought her to the recruit premiere, I think. Oh, my God. Right? That's what it was. That was the big public outing, and then that was like the front page of the New York Post. It was just like, wait, what the fuck is happening? Yeah.

All right. Okay, Tom Cruise. Tommy C. So how's he doing? He's doing okay. We've talked about him a lot on this podcast. We don't need to do it. This is one of my fave Thomas Cruise performances, personally. Interesting. I think he's very good in this.

It's hot off Vanilla Sky. There's some nice Vanilla Sky crossover. We did a whole episode about that one. Mission Impossible 2 is the year before that. He's coming off of Eyes Wide Shut, Magnolia, some critical acclaim and Oscar nomination. MI2, not a good movie, makes a ton of money though.

It was the highest worldwide grossing film of that year. And then Vanilla Sky also for a movie that is about a lucid dream makes pretty good money. This was the period of time where Tom Cruise wanted to play a worse looking version of Tom Cruise because there is the scene where they put the drugs in his face so his muscles go slack

is very Vanilla Sky-ish. It is very Vanilla Sky. It's the same kind of look and his physical performance is very similar. Yeah, it's true. He was like, still make me look like Tom Cruise. But just a kind of shittier version of Tom Cruise.

Messed up Tom Cruise. Yeah. Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise. And you know, famously when he did his collateral look, he insisted to have past pictures taken because he was like, I'm not going to look this good when I'm actually this old. That was his thing.

Interesting. And the ultimate example of Tom Cruise bearing his looks is, of course, Tropic Thunder, right? So he should do it more often. He should. He should pull a Colin Farrell more often. Yeah. He's not doing it. In The Mummy?

No, no. No, no. No. No. He's trying to look. In The Mummy, no, no, no, no. No, no, he's trying to look real young. Get some pepper in that hair. Yeah. Come on. What the fuck? And he's also doing that thing we talked about a lot where it's like too many muscles in

that smaller body. No, he's too many. The muscles are spilling out a little bit. You see his muscle body, his weird nine pack in this one. He's wearing weird future pants, though, for part of this movie. At the end, they're very billowy. Or maybe that's just what. Future slacks.

That's what the jean was in 2002, maybe? Maybe. I don't know. It's, like, pretty billowy. This is a movie that's trying to predict the future with intention. You know, it's set in the near-ish, in the 2040s. And it's, like, you know, Spielberg was obsessed with, like, talking to all these people to be, like, what's some shit that's going to happen? Like, what do you predict?

Like, let's make it happen. They're like, the gap is going to look exactly the same as it does right now, Mr. Spielberg. But it will talk to you. But also Ben and Jerry's will be there at the mall. It's fine. That was my first reaction to watching this movie. And let me just say, I'd seen this movie only once before.

What? In the worst... What are you talking about? Once before, in the worst conditions possible. I'm just stressed. Are you ready to flip out? You're going to flip this table over when I tell you the one time I'd seen this movie before last night.

Was it like at a party or something? It's going to knock the bagel out of your hand. Even worse. Even worse. Take that bagel. No, go ahead. Even worse, I watched it on a laptop at summer camp. Like outdoors on a picnic table. So we were like putting our hands over the screen to show it from the sun. Oh, in the middle of the day.

Why don't you go inside? I don't know. Because the camp clothes are like, be outside. Go watch that laptop outside. They sent a bunch of indoor kids to camp. Yeah, I went to the arts camp. They made you sit outside. But you're like, but we're still going to watch.

If you're going to watch it on a fucking laptop, they can't be like, all right, look, fine. Go inside. This didn't work. It was like we watched it. Like, you know, know i hadn't seen it somehow i missed it when it was in theaters and they were like my report and i was like oh shit i never saw that and sat on a bench and it was like a we're in the sun and b people kept on coming over and being like oh what are you watching we had to keep on like interrupting it to have conversations with people

maybe like catch me up yeah be like okay so this is this is pre-crime that's Max von Sydow no I remember my friends who went to see it at the time I was trying to riff there and I didn't have anything going yet here's that guy from the practice he's the best this is gonna be on cold case hasn't started yet

no I don't think I think it was after this was her big breakout for cold case then she just gets locked into that for 10 years yep forever I well I was 13

when the movie came out like 14 when I saw it and I think when it was sold as like a Spielberg Tom Cruise sci-fi movie and then everyone saw it and the movie's so

dour and haunted and has this pallor it's very adult minded yeah it's not as like bruising as AI or abusive but it is like not a fun movie to watch. It's like fun in that it's really well made and smart, but it's not like a popcorn movie.

No. And so I think I was like, you know, a bunch of my friends went to see it and they were like, yeah, it's kind of boring. And I just there were a lot of movies I want to see. Fucking E of friends. Right. But so like when I watch it on this laptop, I remember being like, this is really good. I'm watching this in the worst circumstances.

This is really good, and then never rewatched it. Why? I don't know. I'm so mad at you. Well, I'm glad I did now. Just because it was a fresh experience for you now? Is that what you mean? I'm saying I'm glad I finally got around to watching it again

in real circumstances. It's a wonderful movie. I love it. It's a great movie. Do you think people went in in 2002, and I don't remember this myself, but expecting anything Matrix-y? Maybe.

It does have that. Maybe people just expected a little more of a straightforward action thriller. It was marketed with everybody runs. It was marketed as this... It is a chase movie, but then it takes this bunch of aggressive left turns. It this like and it is a chase movie but like then it takes this bunch of aggressive left turns

and it's long and it's very sort of existential but also it's got all this Spielberg stuff it's got a missing kid and it's got a weird confusing sort of confounding ending and it's long like you say yeah and there's not a lot of emotional

catharsis and it's kind of and there's no like hot babe say. Yeah, and there's not a lot of emotional catharsis. And there's no, like, hot babe in it. No, it lacks. I think Samantha Morton is beautiful, but, like, you know, she's flopping around. Yeah, she is a heroin-addicted, you know, like, mutant. Joe, Joe, Joe. Colin Farrell. How many times do we have to go over this?

Colin Farrell is hot. He's hot. I don't understand why this isn't sticking. And also, this is, like, Yamush Kaminsky, who has already been having a lot of fun. He's like, guys, can I just do the weirdest lighting shit? And can I scrub this a million times? It's like the milkiest movie. And have crazy pools of light.

Seriously, there are 15 pools of light in every scene. There's a couple scenes where it's Tom Cruise and his his wife or max von seidel and the wife and there's just like it's just oh his office baby yeah it's just like bleached out with light it's crazy i love it um you think of max von seidel's just like i'll sit in this pool of light no i'm gonna shit in this pool of light um so i saw this film in theaters yeah the holloway odian i grew up in london guys humblebred um and uh i I'm from London. You sound like you're from London. I forgot about that line. It's a good line.

It's a good joke. It's a really good line. I'm forgetting Sarah Marshall. Yeah, I loved it. Loved it. Thought it was great. And then I bought it on DVD, and I watched it a million times. And then I bought it on Blu-ray, and I watched it a million more times. I've seen this movie a million times. Double Humblebrag. Is it? I've seen watched it a million times and then I bought it on Blu-ray and I watched it a million more times. I've seen this movie a million times.

Double Humberbrag. Is it? I've seen this movie a lot. I've always been a huge fan. I don't know. This was not a difficult one for me. What about you, Joanna? I would say I've seen it three times. I saw it when it came out and I really loved it. I watched it a couple years ago and I do not remember why.

What inspired me other than it's just a great movie. Then I watched it this week and it's just a great movie. And yeah, and then I watched it this week and it's still a great movie. I was in college when it came out.

So we're not going to like wildly disagree on this one. I was not in college. I was 16. Yeah, yeah. I'm older than you guys. It's okay. It's okay.

But yeah, and having just been really disappointed by Vanilla Sky because I had a lot of expectations. Love Magnolia. It was, like, earth-shaking for me. So you were both, you had cruise and crow expectations.

Oh, my God. It was, like, mostly my crow expectations. Sure. And I was devastated by Vanilla Sky. I've since rewatched it and come to terms with it. Sure. As have we. But, yeah.

You swallowed my cum. That means something. Yeah. It does mean something. I did swallow means something yeah it does mean something i did swallow your comment that does mean something you did you did that don't give that look like you're angry i said give a look you did that you said that i'm sorry i got an annoying text message actually oh i just texted you to say that you swallowed my coming it meant something okay uh so you but you saw it in theaters i did see it in theaters yeah yeah yeah and you're in

college and i was in college, and I was like, Colin Farrell is hot. I think that was my main reaction. But you were looking for Cruise redemption, and you found it. You know, right? I found it, yeah. This is near the end of, I feel like,

Tom Cruise as a big movie star. Because War of the Worlds is the end. Yes. It's like a big movie star without tons of baggage. You know, it's more just like, hey, Tom Cruise is in a picture. That's how people talk to him. Hey, let's go see a Tom Cruise. People may not remember this, but in 2002,

people talked like old-timey gangsters. Well, 2005 is the end of the every Tom Cruise movie makes $100 million rush. His last Spielberg movie is the end of that. And I think it's interesting that the promise of Spielberg and Cruise doing something together, especially after the aborted Rain Man thing, right, where it was just like, well, if they can find the right project, they want to do something together.

They talk a lot. They want to do something together. It was like, these are two guys who know how to give the audience what they want. Like, these are two guys who deliver. Proud pleasers. Proud pleasers. But then the movie actually, you know, this movie wasn't quite the hit everyone was thinking it was going to be.

Too dark, they said. War of the Worlds is more successful, but also is an incredibly dark haunted movie. That movie is garbage. They make two sci-fi movies together. I'm very interested in talking about that movie. Haven't seen it since it came out. Very curious to see what I think of it now. Very creepy, disturbing movie in my opinion.

I remember liking half of it. Like the first half? Yes. And that's Dakota Fanning, and who's the boy in that? Justin Chad half of it. Like the first one. Yeah. And that's Dakota Fanning and who's the boy in that. Justin Chadwick. Oh yeah. Goku from Dragon Ball Evolution.

Yeah. Good old Chadwick. Shameless. Shameless. Yeah. Shameless. Right. He's still in it.

No. Well they get rid of him. They killed him and then they didn't. William H. Macy chop him up and it's a lot. Oh geez.

It feels like there's a storm of spoilers in here. You gonna do it? Pow. All right. I just think it's interesting that they teamed up doing sci-fi,

which is like, you know, the biggest genre in terms of like the majority of the highest grossing films of all time are in that genre.

Here's the biggest director. Here's the biggest movie star. And they made two sci-fi movies that are like meditations. It's true. You know, that are haunted, that are dark, that are heavy. Both very post 9-11 movies. And are scary. It's like more, they're like sci-fi movies where there is action.

They're both kind of chase movies, you know? But both of them are like, function more as horror movies in a way where it's like, are they going to get caught? It's a creeping dread, you know? I have a question for you. Do you think that Tim Blake Nelson thought he was making a different movie than everyone else?

I'm glad we're getting to this. Wait, we have to get to this right now? Sorry. No, no, go ahead. This is the question I want to ask. Yeah. Pick up the past. All you get is dirty.

Did you like that? You seemed to like that. I like that a lot. This is my, I'll answer your question with another question. All right. Fair enough. How fully submerged into the River of Ham was Tim Blake Nelson in this movie? I was going back and forth of like, is he bathing in it?

He's got his nose above water. I mean, above ham. Because when the scene started, I was like, maybe he's just sitting on the edge of the pool. He's rolled up his pant cuffs and he's dangling his legs in it. But then Tom Cruise, he's Tom Cruise's son and Tom Cruise challenged him to hold his breath under the River of Ham and he did it. He did it. We talk about the River of Ham a lot

on this podcast. That's a Kenneth Branagh term. Yeah, but it was a compliment to that and the pool scene and I'm with you. I'm riding the waves of the River of Ham. Tim Blake Nelson, I think, got this script and the script for Scooby-Doo 2

Monsters Unleashed confused. Because he's very somber in Scooby-Doo 2 Monsters Unleashed. It's weird. I think, come on,

all those one scene or two scene characters are doing that, right? No, no, no, no, because Peter Stormare is doing something weird, but it still works

into the movie. I would say, yes. Tim Blake Nelson is in a different movie. He's like doing Brazil or something. You know what I mean? He's doing something else where he's like

everyone here is weird because it's a future. And I'm like nobody. You've also got and I love Tim Blake Nelson. Dream man. You know like the Dreamweaver guy. Oh Anton. The guy from Puff Contact. And you've got Lois Smith you've got all these

like brief very colorful performances some are better than others but I think it's a good kind of bit

and she's got that so CGI plans to help her yeah right and she says I mean just that line where she's like

you'll see what I can only describe as the most extraordinary display of blue objects is one of the best like delivered lines. She's just spritzing her plants while she's talking.

Meryl would have been fun and silly in that scene, but no contest. It'd be a little distracting, I think. Tim Blake Nelson's also fourth or fifth billed in this movie. He's got very high billing, like solo card billing. Oh, brother. It was a Grammy-winning album, baby. He cited that every time he was auditioning for a part. He should have just done his O'Brother character.

It's still big, but like a big I can get behind. It's a big character. That's what I was going to say. He can play very cartoony. And he can play cartoony successfully in tone with the movie, right? But he also has given subtle, naturalistic performances. It's not like he's a guy who only goes big. He's in a big phase because he's in The Good Girl the same year.

That's a big performance. Right. You see, he's digging that one. When did he do Cherish? Cherish? That's one of my favorites in Blake Nelson. I have never seen that movie.

I know that movie. That is the same year as well, 2002. That's like a house arrest movie with what's her name, Robin Tunney. Robin Tunney. She's under house arrest

and he services her equipment. I have never heard of this movie. It's really good. I really like it. You know, he's also, he's in Holes the next year, we should say. Oh, a classic Shia joint.

Classic Shia. He does Scooby-Doo Two Monsters Unleashed in 2004. That is correct, he does. And I was thinking of a big Tim Blake Nelson performance, but now I can't even find it. No, I mean, you are right that there are occasional weird, I would say Brazil-esque moments, like the mole on Peter Stormare's assistant.

It's big. It's literally a big mole, but it's also a big choice. It's a big mole. And even just that setup of she's stunningly beautiful and then toilet flush, big mole. We're jumping all around. I'm going to get us on track. Let's start at the beginning of the movie. I'm ready.

Because the opening of this movie is fantastic. The opening set piece of the movie. Agreed. The first the opening of this movie is fantastic. The opening set piece of the movie. Agreed. The first 20 minutes or so. What's the name of that guy? The guy from who was on Ellen? The Ellen show? His name fuck. I know his name. Fuck. He's like poor man's Mark Lynn Baker? No, it's a funny

The guy who plays the... No, I know who it is, goddammit. What the hell is his name? Eric Gross. Oh, okay. I feel so good that I got that right. Let me see if I'm right. I'm hell is his name? Eric Gross. Oh, okay. I feel so good that I got that right. Geez. Now, let me see if I'm right. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, Eric Gross.

Okay. He plays a- Romance, Mark Lindbaker. Ouch. This movie does a really good job of just like, okay, there's this central conceit to this movie, right? There's this technology that they're going to have to explain to you. Yeah. Murder. Right?

Yeah, murder is the technology. This movie presupposes that murder is a thing that people can do to each other. No, but. His name is Howard Marks, right? That's the character. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's a really good active way of explaining the rules of this entire universe. Definitely.

And what this movie is going to deal with. You see it in action. And the tech. Yeah. Can I say I can get behind every single element of the tech except for the snooker balls? You don't like those balls? No, I don't like them balls.

I have a question about the balls. I don't like how they come clacking down, like engraved. I love that they're wood. Yeah, they're wooden balls engraved. Why?

Because the grain. Because the grain is, you can't fake the grain. Like he says that. Neil McDonough is like, every grain is unique. Very artisanal. Yeah, it's true.

It is funny. Hey, man, look. I would be more into it if they were obviously real wooden balls the whole time, but they're CG at the beginning there when they're getting laser cut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I wish they had some very- I don't know about the ball technology. Very miscellaneous.

CGI wood. What is this? Groot? Is this that Groot fellow the kids are so crazy about? Kids, I walked down the street. Kids talk about this Groot. They're saying, I am Groot. You are Groot? Is this that Groot fellow the kids are so crazy about? Kids, I worked on the street. Kids talk about this Groot. They're saying, I am Groot. You are Groot.

She is Groot. I am confused is what I am. Hi-oh. All this Groot talk. I do like that there's the whole witness aspect. It's like, what, a judge and... Yeah, I like that. Me too.

Yeah, there's the judge and a DA. And a DA. And then, yeah yeah he does the whole routine with them yes i will verify all that he does the hand stuff that everyone loves and still does and it's amazing he's better at it he's better at it than colin farrell i do like though that he's like he seems like a maestro is colin farrell still kind of figuring it out right colin farrell is doing too many finger guns like you have that one shot where tom cruise's finger guns turn into, like,

the vision of him holding the gun, which is cool. But Colin Farrell is, like, just doing finger guns. I'm like, no, buddy, you gotta maestro it. You gotta maestro it, baby.

I'm realizing I can't do my impression on the podcast. No, but I'm seeing Joanna's hand. For the listeners at home, Joe is killing it. No, I do think, this was a major thought

I had watching this movie, is people always refer to that as the minority report thing. Yeah. When people do the screen. Yeah. Right. It's basically, you know, the sort of pinching to zoom and kind of like swiping things around. I mean, like, again, this is part of the future tech.

Some of this stuff is off, but this is not. This is on. But even the pinching to zoom shit like now exists in our technology. But then certainly like the screens floating around you shit has been five million movies since then. Right. Yeah. And I don't even think this was the first one to do it. I think this was the one to realize it the best on this kind of scale and integrate that fully.

But also to make it something that's not boring. To make it this active thing that he's doing. Right. Even though it could be just someone sitting at a computer and like clicking on images. Right. Like that's why it's a good idea. Yeah. And that's what I was gonna say

is I think the major testament to this movie is that everyone still goes like oh like Tom Cruise and Minority Report when it's like every fucking Marvel movie has this now all the computer screens in Marvel are up there and then a fucking like living hologram with a consciousness zaps into being but then also you get a lot

of Robert Downey Jr. like waving shit in the air but like Tom Cruise is so fucking on point doing this, right? And the movie just really is interested in all this technology. And Tony Stark even does it sometimes to classical music, right? 100%.

Or pop or whatever. Yeah, yeah. But you're right that Tom Cruise does it better, sorry. Does it better than everyone. It's always going to be referred to as the Minority Report thing for decades, I think.

And I think it speaks to a thing this movie does very well, which is we've talked a lot about a lot of different science fiction films on this podcast. But as we have delineated, a lot of times those films are technically kind of more space operas. Sure. They're not trying too hard to be real. Sci-fi. This is very much a sci-fi movie. This is an if this, then what kind of premise hinging on technology.

And I think the movie has an approach to that from the top down, which aside from the central conceit of what if someone could predict the crime, what does that mean, this and that, I think the way every technology works in this movie, it's clear how much thought went into it. But the best part is,

other than the stupid wood grain on the balls thing, they don't often over explain the tech which i love with the haloing and yes they don't yeah they're just like use your six stick and then someone gets sick and you're like well i get what that does you know but like no one's like well here is a six stick and this is the halo and that's what that does well and the way this movie depicts advertising and the way it uses that as part of the plot and tension and everything is amazing. But it is like it's just kind of background. It just shows you the world and how it exists. Right.

And you're able to pick up on it because it's all intuitive. It's not people sitting in a room blue skying and being like, what would be cool if this fucking existed? He's going like, what path are we on? Like, what's the height of what's going to happen? Right. So when it happens in the movie, you're like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. And then, you know, I'm visiting New York from from Bumtown and I walked through the

Oculus and also just being in Times Square. And you're like when I was walking through the Oculus, which is, you know, this new sort of thing. Obviously, you guys know I'm sort of explained people don't live here like near the World Trade Center. It's just screen after screen after screen of advertising. And the only thing that's missing is being like, welcome back, Joanna. Hey, Joanna.

How's that sweater? Yeah, we heard you cracked your iPhone screen. Would you like a new one? I did. I do. You look at how much. Oh, no. How bad.

That's pretty bad. She got a big one like me. Look, I got a big one. Big. Big. Who do you think you are? Producer Ben? Who?

The Ben Ducer. Get him in here. Producer Ben. We haven't talked to him. The Poet Laureate. Ben Ducer. Mr. Hositive. Those are his many nicknames.

White Hot Benny. The Fuckmaster. He's not Professor Crispy. No. He is, if you check the nameplate on his door, it does say fart detective. No, it doesn't. Yes, it does. Well, I'm not taking cases. I'm not saying you are a fart detective. I'm saying it saysplate on his door, it does say fart detective. No, it doesn't. Yes, it does. Well, I'm not taking cases.

I'm not saying you are a fart detective. I'm saying it says that on your door. And even if you're not working right now, Ben, true or false, it says that on your office door. Griffin does say it on my door. All right, yes. Okay.

He's our finest phone person. Griffin just gave me a real, like, who, me? Like, a real Gilly look. I'm wiggling my eyebrows now. Gilly! What a dumb sketch. Yeah, it's a bad.

Bad character. Bad character. They did 40 times. And yet lodged in my brain. But they wore you down due to repetition. They kind of knew. Like, at a certain point, it's not going to be funny, but it's going to have the rhythms of something that's funny

because you know how hard it was. You know, I'll say when Wig came back and she did not Gilly but the, you know, the Candle Lady? No, the surprise party one. Oh, the password keyword, whatever it's called. The game show one. I was like, oh Christ this one. But then I was like, oh no, this is funny

because I haven't seen it in four years. Like, that's okay. That was the problem was she did all of her characters every episode. So Minority Report. No, no. Well, Ben Hosley's here. Producer Ben. Ben, hi, Ben. Hey, guys.

Because you're new to the show, I just want you to know that Ben has graduated to certain titles over the course of different miniseries. This is true. Such as Kylo Ben, Producer Ben Kenobi, Ben I. Shyamalan, Say Benny Thing, and T-Bent Thousand, Ailey Benz. Ailey Benz, baby. Hosley LaVista, baby,

was suggested. No, thank you. Ailey Benz. Ailey Benz. Ailey Benz. Ben Hosley, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, guys. I mean, I didn't chime in

because I was enjoying that conversation. Oh, that's good. Also, because you guys are so much more insightful than me. I will agree with you, though, Joe.

I hated those stupid wooden balls. Thank you. What's wrong with the balls? What about when Neil McDonough demonstrates a predestination by rolling the ball? That's cool. That's cool. I thought Cruz did that. Cruz did that.

Cruz does it. Whoever the fuck does it. Yeah, Farrell does it. Look, guys. What if it was a snow globe instead? You want them to make a full snow globe? You mean every time there's a murder, they have to make a new and inject it with a tube? And it's a little miniature scene of where the murder happens.

That would be amazing if they had to figure out the murder from a snow globe. And they had to shake it and be like, wait, what is it? By the time it was done, the murder would be over. I mean, if you're really going to do a snow globe right and with the level of detail and care and thought. To which I have become accustomed. Right. We have standards in this world. We're grown-ups now.

We want real fucking snow globes. Come on. I want a snow globe that's telling me a real story. You know? Have you guys ever broken a snow globe when you were kids and then get in trouble? Because I did. No. Were you replicating?

That sounds traumatic. It was just like the snow globe broke and weird goo came out of it. Yeah, it's not water. It's not water. It's upsetting goo. Yeah, it was weird. I do like the time that Tom Cruise sort of like snatches the ball that has his name on it and distracted

Steve Harris by being like, go get cake. Can I get some cake there? Can I get some cake? It's also, it's a very labored scene because he's like, you know, how much you go get me some of that cake? He's like, yeah, I'll get some for there? Can I get some cake? It's also, it's a very labored scene because he's like, you know, how much you go get me some of that cake, that thing. He's like,

yeah, I'll get some for me and myself as well. Should think, chief. I'll get some cake too. Who doesn't like cake? Steve Harris makes a real meal

out of his like, half a dozen, what is he, a dozen lines. There's also the later, at the end of the movie when Max von Sydow is at that big celebration,

they also have like a, like a table of champagne in the control room too because they're like, we get to celebrate too even though we're not wearing black tie. Yeah. Right? It's all cake and champagne at pre-crime. But what if Max von Sydow decides to commit a murder with a ceremonial golden

weapon? Then they're in trouble. They're all drunk. Then they're, yeah. Then they got real problems. Okay. So we see this opening scene of him solving the crime that Howard Marks murder. Okay, so we see this opening scene of him solving the crime, the Howard Marks murder. Griffin, you okay there? I'm doing great.

I'm making plans for after that. Your fucking phone away. I love this scene, guys. It's great. It's great. I mean, we're done talking about this scene, I guess. I don't know. I mean, it's hard to describe.

But it just sets up the concept of the movie. You see one of these pre-crimes and them stopping it in action. It's the first 15 minutes of the movie. We got these three precogs. They're children of heroin. I'm sorry, neuroin addicts. A very easy version of heroin. Is that what it is?

Yeah. You know how heroin, you have to inject it. It's like, oh, it's all cum. This one is just, you know. You can whiff it. Yeah. It can be a whiff. It's like, you know how heroin, you have to inject it. It's like, oh, it's all cum. This one is just, you know. You can whiff it. Yeah. It can be a whiff. Yeah, a whiff.

Suck it in your mouth. Yeah. That little whiff dispenser is the, it seems overly complicated to me. It is a little weird. Yeah. What's the movie where they have, it looks like the whiffer and they suck it and then it lines their lungs so they can breathe underwater? Do you know what I'm talking about?

Hmm? Not Harry Potter. No, there's some movie where that's the sci-fi technology. It's like a recent movie, and it looked exactly like the wafer device they have, and they go like, great, now your lungs are lined. You can breathe underwater. No idea what you're talking about.

We've got to move on. I'm going to figure it out. Okay. Part detective on the case. But this is a good, yeah, because Colin Farrell's there too while this is all happening so it's getting explained to him

but really quickly that's so clever it's very clever you know like we're getting what the vague idea is but also it's a fun action scene well and I understand it's a kids movie

so the rules are different but look at how it's a kids movie? listen to the counterpoint I'm about to present oh I see the rules are different and they have to

make it more accessible but like Inside Out has to have a lot of narration in the first 10-15 minutes to explain all the technologies. Hey, this is Garbage Island. There are overlaps and it's a ball based rolling screen system. It is a ball based system. True.

Simpler console, although... Yes. Those are more like bowling balls and less like snicker balls. Yeah, those are some big clackers. They're some big clackers. Well then, they're some big clackers. They're probably the same size balls. It's just like, they're just tiny.

Oh, that's true. They're just tiny people. Oh, that's true. That's true. In fact, they're probably like marbles is what you're saying. Well, they're probably tinier

because they've got to be in your head. Think about how many you've got to fit in there. How are we doing, guys? We're doing great. We're doing really well. I think we cleared the first scene. Yeah.

Is that right? Great. My point is, like, Inside Out has to have her, like, clearly explain it because it's also for children. Yeah, sure. But this movie has, like, a similar kind of setup where it's, like, we need to understand what's going on in the world outside, how they relate to it, what the technology is, how all of it works, and we just see it in fucking action.

They got the three precogs. Daniel London is maybe sexually invested in all three of them. But he's got him in the tank and they hook him up and he watches the screen and he does finger shit and then they see the crime and then they have to reverse engineer from there. Where's this guy? How do we find him? Cool. Exciting.

Great sci-fi premise. Great idea. It's a cool takedown where they have to figure out it's a red ball so it's about to happen. And they catch him just in time. And you also see Tom Cruise is the fucking best at this. You do but you're also kind of like wait a second this is kind of weird.

He definitely was going to kill his wife but you're also like he didn't do it and they drag him out with the halo. Moral quandary. A real hand scratcher this one I just scratched my head

So then and then we we chill out for a second while Colin Farrell is sort of more obviously and is the antagonist right he's like

Yeah So anyway I'm here to kind of like bust you guys open cause if this is going national you know like Doing one of my

favorite things an actor can do on screen. Chew gum? Chew gum. Were you going to say wearing a great suit? I was going to say wearing a middle mustache. He doesn't fully commit to the stache.

That's true. It is a middle stache. He also wears a cross. Yeah. Which is. Or it's like a Michael, like a medallion sort of thing that he kisses. I didn't like that. That's the one Colin Farrell thing I didn't like.

Because he has to like. He does it during the chasing. During like a fist fight on top of a car. Yeah. Back to me. He's like, I'm about to wail on Tom Cruise, but first let me kiss my medallion.

Amen. No, here's a question for you. So I was watching it and I was like, this accent's really weird in this because it's mostly American, but then he's got these very Irish inflections. And then they have that one line

where he talks about his father being murdered outside of their church in Dublin. Yeah. Oh. He's like an Irish immigrant, I guess. But that must have been rewritten after they cast him. And he was like, hey, I think I got the accent like 95% down. And he says like third, except it's turd.

And you're like, oh, OK, no. Right. It's like one out of every 400 words is like very Irish. Yeah. And they clearly were like, don't worry, we'll put one line in there to make it clear you grew up in both countries. Hand wave that away. Yeah.

And, you know, yeah. Just like David Sims, who grew up in London. I don't know if you knew that. That's why I love that Colin Farrell. One day I'll interview him. He'd be one of my, I'd really love to sit down and get into it with him. Chewing gum, which I love. He's chewing gum.

It's a very active decision. Yeah. And I always like it in performances. It really works in this performance because he makes him seem like a real jerk. Well that's the character

choice it is. You take your fucking gum out you're in the precog temple. Right. It's a really good coded way to be like He does that. Yeah.

A really good precoded way to kind of be like oh this guy sucks this guy's a jerk and he thinks he's better than everything. Yeah. You know, you like get it from the first second.

Right. He's the new guy. He's not so sure about this pre-crime stuff. No, I mean. He's got a suspicion. As he says, he's like, you're arresting people who have committed broken no law, right? Like, don't you ever worry about that? That kind of conversation gets played out kind of simply.

Tom Cruise rolls the ball. He goes, why did you catch it? Because it was going to fall. How do you know it was going to fall? It didn't fall because you caught it. This and that. That kind of conversation gets played out kind of simply. Tom Cruise rolls the ball. He goes, why'd you catch it? Because it was gonna fall. How'd he know it was gonna fall? It didn't fall because he caught it. This and that. And then Tom Cruise is like, I don't know about this pre-crime thing. Freaks me out a little bit. I'm a meat and potatoes cop. Also, who's this Groot that the kids keep talking about?

He is worked up about that. Really? He just doesn't understand it. I mean, at this point, 2048, I mean, we'd be on, what, like, Groot 8? Right. The Groot spinoff. Still Grootin'. Yeah, Groot 8, still Grootin'. Groot meets the Wolfman 2 has come out. Sure.

He's not angry about it. He doesn't dislike Groot. He's just genuinely like, I don't know who this Groot is. I don't know who can totally get Groot. The Groot thing, yeah. But so that's now our main players, and then Max von Sydow. Max von Sydow, who plays, sorry, let me get his character name. Plays the role of Max von Sydow.

Yes, he does. He's the father of pre-crime. Lamar Burgess. And it is obviously, Spielberg was just like, Max, please, please do whatever you want to do. Do the thing. I think he's really good, though. He's fun. He's to the max.

He really is. Yes. In the best way. It's another thing where you're like, why is the director of pre-crime in Washington, D.C. like Swedish? Swedish? Like a Swedish man. Like the most Swedish? You're just like, it's fine.

It is fine. You're just, I guess, you know, the eyes of the nation. I can't do his voice. I wish I could do his voice. You did a really good impression of him as Lor San Tekka when we were covering Force Awakens. I literally just rewatched the Force Awakens. There was the line he says to

Kylo Ren that you did and you did it so well that you actually asked me to give you credit on my... Something far worse has happened to you. At the time it was really good. This will begin to make things right. Make things right. Right.

So he really hits the right. This movie, here are two main thoughts I had watching this film, okay? One, God, Max von Sydow

is so fucking old. Yeah. Because this movie was 14 years ago. Yeah, and he basically looks the same. He looks exactly the same.

Right, and that was like, that's the joke everyone makes is that like, the thing that kind of fucked up his career was he did The Exorcist

and he was playing like 30 years older than he was. And the makeup was so convincing and he had such authority that everyone already assumed he was 80. And he's been 80 for like 50 years. How old do you think Max von Seder was when he made this movie? When he made this movie? Yeah. I think 72. 73.

Damn, you're good. You're good. He's now 87. I didn't know you had this skill of height age guessing. I'm good at numbers only when they relate to movies. Box office, heights, ages, I can figure out. Capshaws. Right, but I can't figure out the tip on a check. Capshaws I can figure out.

Capshaws are my wheelhouse. I can do two albums. Wait, what's your number two? My number two point is, God, Tom Cruise looks so fucking young in this. Yeah. Because I remember seeing this movie and it was like, okay, Tom Cruise is like, what, he's like 39 in this maybe?

Hmm, that's a good question. I'll look that up too. He might be a little older than that. He's like 53 now. He is 54 now, so he would have been about 40. Okay. Yeah.

He's like edging on 40. Coming up on 40. And this was a point where it's like, I always kind of, you know, track people in these terms of how many decades they've been in movies for, you know? Rather than like how many years they've been doing it, I think how many decades you're able to cross over into is interesting because the cultural shifts happen in these decades. So he was in like his third decade of being-

Beginning of his third decade. Right. A big movie star. So at that point, it's like you're kind of graduating to being an elder statesman, you know? Not like, you know, an oldie, but like you're a steady hand. You're trusted. You've had people grow up with you. You have people in different age ranges with different relationships with you.

Age ranges? Age ranges, which is my term for Tom Cruise fans. The age Granges. It's like the Grange on the wood. You can't fake it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Boy.

Thank you, Joe. Five comedy points. It's really fucking hot in here. David's pushing the LCD screen of the thermostat. That's just a prop. The off thermostat. There's like nothing on the screen. Nothing's on the screen.

It's dead. Are you saying that in 2002, when you see Tom Cruise cruising around in Minority Report, you did not expect him to be Jack Regan around in like, you know, over a decade later, that he's still doing this? It's true. Yes. Because when you, like I said, when you see Collateral, you're like, right, Tom Cruise will age.

Right. He will get older. And that's only two years after this. He'll start to slide into like slightly more like maybe supporting roles or grown up roles some Valkyrie stuff has happened right right and now he's just decided

to be like no just like throw me out of planes until I die he's like forget about time I have mastered time and like this was the first sci-fi movie oh my god

but I mean he's having a sorry the first sci-fi movie yeah sure Griff is saying were you saying he's having a good run right now yeah but also his life is like

all fucked up it's weird yeah I don't know man he doesn't see his kid anymore and like I love the Mission Impossible movies

we love them excuse me you just entered the Mission Impossible temple apart from two obviously two is like so we're like

the Mission Impossible precogs is that what you're saying look Joe your mission if you choose to accept it is to love Mission Impossible as much as we do. What's your fave? It's a hot debate on this podcast.

It's either... First impression. Just give... What is your heart to you? Go pro. Go pro. Ghost Protocol. God damn it.

Is yours Rogue Nation? Yeah. Okay. Is that the one that's tied with you? Close second. Okay. I thought I was going to win that one. Ghost Protocol.

Has anyone talked about that? Have you talked about this? That on Westworld, which is produced by J.J. Abrams, the name of like the Savage Tribe is Ghost Nation, which is a combination of

Rogue Nation and Ghost Protocol. Yes. You talked about that? I mean, I don't know if I've talked about it publicly. I've had internal debates about it. Okay. Am I blowing up your spot

by forcing you to acknowledge this publicly? Please, please always do. Let me tell you the part of, I mean, I know we're going linearly, but hey, what's time anyway? Hells yeah. The part of Minority Report that made me think of Westworld the most was when they take Agatha out of the tank.

And she's freaking out. And she goes, is it now? Oh, love that. It's such a good moment. But it's like, I was like, that's. And he's like, yes, this is all happening right now. And she's like, I'm sick of the future. And you feel for her. And she's like, I'm sick of the future. And you feel for her and she's so good.

And I was just thinking a lot about Evan Rachel Wood like freaking out about time and Westworld. Spoiler for Westworld. Anyway. Spoiler for Westworld, the season ended. Yeah. You're behind. Also, this is going to post in February.

Not even, like March, I think. Yes. Oh, really? Of 2018. Oh, God, I'll stop making topical jokes am I making any topical jokes? no you haven't this show is a time capsule

it's a reflection of a simpler time before Trump was president but it is interesting because believe me there's some apps that posted posts put it that way Cruz third decade of being a movie star but Mission Impossible was his action franchise

mostly did dramas this was his first sci-fi movie and now he mostly does sci-fi shit it's funny yeah he didn't actually do a lot of heavy genre stuff

before this right and so I think of like sci-fi Tom Cruise as being this kind of broken down Tom Cruise where he's got the weight of clearly like

his life him trying to win back public opinion and also Cruise now has these like bags under his where he's got the weight of clearly like his life, him trying to win back public opinion. And also, Cruise now has these like bags under his eyes. He's aged very well. I wish he had more salt and pepper in the hair. But he's let some lines come into his face that make him look a little more haunted. Yeah.

And knowing that this is a haunted Spielberg sci-fi movie, I in my mind, I think had like when I replayed the scenes from the sun bleached, you know, laptop screen from this movie had aged him to look closer to current day Tom Cruise. Like oblivion Tom Cruise? Yeah, it was like it's him in that zone. And then I watched this and I was like, God, that's a fresh face. Right, he's like really broken up about his son and his wife is a strange wife. And you're like, too fresh face Tommy boy. He's so boyish in this.

Yeah. Too young Tommy boy. He's excellent in it, but just visually. He's so good. You guys, when he's looking at the hologram of his son and saying the lines along with the video, that's some good stuff. It's great.

So that's set up early on, that he is a dude who lost his son before pre-crime was created. He is very haunted by it. It led to the dissolution of his marriage in a real M. Night Shyamalan-style plot point. And he's become a high-functioning drug addict as a way of coping with it.

Sure. He's a workaholic. But also, it's what drives his pre-crime obsession, right? That he doesn't... He loves the idea of creating a world where no one will ever have to go through what he went through. Are you saying this time it's personal?

This time it is kind of personal. Yeah, it's kind of personal. Yeah. Yeah. And Max von Sydow is the guy, the police chief, the mayor of pre-crime, and they got kind of a father-son relationship. They're very close.

Certainly, yeah. So though it is maybe a patronizing, in a way, right? Like, there's, you know, he really, Lamar really, like, lets him off. And I think partly, as we eventually realize, like, he's kind of, it's sort of part of Lamar's kind of bag of tricks to sort of keep his own grasp on power. So I. I don't know. I'd forgotten how quickly. I think that's a genuine release.

Yes. How quickly he gets pegged with the crime. Considering the first 15 minutes is one sequence, essentially. No, it's the first 15 minutes is that, and then the next 15 is just, you know, maybe just laying out the stuff we just talked about. Blushing out the corners of the world. But then he's back at work, and hey, John Anderton's going to kill Leo Crow.

Right, and that's like minute 30. He's going to kill Mike Binder. Yeah. And I'll say this. There's so many jokes you almost just made. Here's the one I'm going to make. It's a great choice because it makes him a very sympathetic, relatable character. Because we all watch Tom Cruise and we go, I mean, I've been there.

I've wanted to kill Mike Binder before. I know what this guy is. I've been there in the room with the loaded gun. We've all thought about killing Mike Binder. We've all thought about it. All right. Now, we're kidding, guys. It's a joke.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Rain Over Me is a really terrible movie. Yada, yada, yada. Black and White, though. Yeah, I. It's a joke. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Rain Over Me is a really terrible movie. Yada, yada, yada. Black and White, though. Yeah, I haven't seen that one. Paid for by Kevin Costner. So, John, I don't think goes on the run.

Goes on the run. Why? Why? Because everybody runs. Everybody runs. Everybody runs. Everybody runs. But I do like that there's not even a discussion.

Because they're, you know, they can't really be. Because they believe so solidly in pre-crime. That's the thing. It's like, oh, your name came up? Sorry, buddy. I like how the Temple Miner's like, I always liked the chief, so I'll give you a few minutes. Yeah. They all still like him.

Like, maybe not the guy who's played by Patrick Kilpatrick but everyone else is like the chief they still love the chief they don't want to hurt him but at the same time it's like if your name comes up they put the halo on you like that's kind of the end of it there's no trial like it's just

another master stroke of this movie is that the film is set during this kind of in the lead up to a major vote that's going to happen about pre-crime. Yes, there's going to be like a national referendum on pre-crime. Right. It's like a big

Brexit-y issue where everyone's questioning. Well, and that's why Colin Farrell's there to sort of audit it. Right. He's from the DOJ. Right. But it means that more than ever, the people who are working in pre-crime are really strong-minded about the fact that it is a fair, ethical, successful thing. And you have that Colin Farrell scene where they roll the ball and they all kind of explain it to Tom Cruise most of all. Yeah.

So. And the idea is murder. Right. It damages the metaphysics of our society or whatever. There is no. Yeah. What was that? That's how they explain it.

That's why they see murder. Yeah. No. Colin Farrell is like, so why doesn't it ping rape or like whatever? Suicide. Yeah, suicide. And they're like, yeah, it's murder. Murder. Metaphysical. Damage the metaphysical tissue or something?

Anyway. Yeah. Delightful writing. It's that and shoplifting are the only two that the precogs see. God, imagine. They see a guy at the Virgin Megastore trying to lift the new Korn album. And they're like like let's hold that one until we find another murder.

So he gets in his car, his maglev car. By the way everyone drives a maglev car now. Yeah. Well because he just knows. He goes I know exactly what they're going to do. I've been on the other side of this. My only way around this is to prove. I'm seeing this footage I don't know who this fucking guy is. I don't know why I would kill him. So I just got to wait this out

in a way. Essentially I have to not kill him. Right. If I cannot kill him at the time they say I'm going to kill him, if I can make it past that, then I'm then I'm fucking good. Sure. And of course, part of the idea that is introduced right away, but is more explored later, is like he's the first person to see his own crime. Right. And does that make a difference? You know what you're going to do.

Does that give you the opportunity to not do it. And he makes the rookie mistake of calling Max Bonsino at every turn to be like, I'm doing this now. He calls him a lot. This is my next move.

He really puts a lot of faith in, like puts a lot of eggs in the Bonsino basket. But once again, this is what makes him a relatable character because I know every time I'm on the cusp

of a big life decision, I call MVS. That's who I call. I call Max. And I go like, Sidi. I don't know. Hey, Sidi. MVS is like Batman v Superman in my head right now. I love it.

I love it. There's an M in the DC universe. It doesn't matter. Carry on. I'm sorry. Shut up. Shut up, David. Metallo.

Oh, yeah. Metallo v Superman. I mean, that will probably happen at some point. Carry on. I'm sorry. Shut up. Shut up, David. Metallo. Oh, yeah. Metallo v. Superman. Yeah. I mean, that will probably happen at some point. Max von Sydow, though. Yeah, he calls him way too much.

I mean, this movie does... No, no. I mean, like, it's believable because this is his mentor. This is the one guy who can probably help him. This is his dad figure.

He's like... He also calls his wife who then calls Max von Sydow like all roads lead there. But like... All roads lead to Sydow All roads lead there. All roads lead to Side Out. The long and side out role. It's believable, but

it's one of those things where you're watching a movie after you've already seen the reveal and you're like, oh, don't call him again. Yes. Who's Leo Crow? That's good. You got it back. You got it back. You listening? Didn't they cancel it already? Yeah, but we'll got it back. You got it back. Mad TV. You listening? Didn't they cancel already?

Yeah, but we'll bring it back again. Just for the Max von Sydow sketches. They're going to bring Mad TV back. You're going to be the only cast member. It's going to be you live on a stage in front of an audience for an hour and a half. It's just me doing Max von Sydow and Agent Smith. Oh, wait. How's your Agent Smith going?

I would need the line. I feel like there's some line we'll say Mr. Anderson yeah try Mr. Anderton try Mr. Anderton let's try

if this is no no no guys no no no so I asked myself what would it sound like if agent smith was in minority report that's the setup

to a yeah you know I get these crazy thoughts I think about these crazy things you know like here's I can't even get

this out of my head I have a crazy thoughts. I think about these crazy things. You know, like, here's why I can't even get this out of my head. I have a crazy idea. I do love that that was enough of a setup for an 80s comedian. You know, I have crazy ideas. I'm crazy. It's wacky. It's pretty wacky. Just bear with me.

Such as this very specific bit that I'm going to do that is 15 seconds long. David, if you turn away from the microphone and then turn back, it's like you're changing. And it's like I'm, oh. All right. Look, I'm a lunatic. I'm certifiably insane. My girlfriend tells me all the time, David, you're crazy. I'm in and out of institutions.

They almost say that someone else is observed if they're crazy. My doctor tells me I need to be medicated. But I can't stop thinking about these things. What would it sound like if Kevin Spacey ate a hot dog? Oh my God, honey, this guy's fucking crazy. I feel dangerous.

I feel unsafe in this room with him. Alright. Enough of that. Great. Done. Just enough. Done. He runs. He runs. Come on, guys. And then like, this Spielberg just starts having so much fun, and he hasn't had fun in a while. No. I want to be clear. He's cutting loose. When. And then like this Spielberg just starts having so much fun and he hasn't had fun in a while. No. I want to be clear. When's the last time Spielberg had this much fun?

Like with his set pieces I mean. Not in a long time. Right like Jurassic Park probably. It was five years earlier and that movie is a couple set pieces. Oh no not Lost World. Fuck that. There's no fun to be had there. All the fun is lost. Are you kidding me? In the world. Come on. That little girl does gymnastics.

That's right. That's him where it's like, this will be fun, right? And then everyone's just like, no. No. That's like family road trip fun. This is fun, right? Yeah. I got the dimension code on audiobook.

The yoga people whose heads are tucked underneath their legs. That's such a Spielberg gag. There's another one. The jetpack lighting the burger on fire when he's wrestling. I love that shot. And they're going, get out of my house, get out of my house. All that stuff.

All of them messing with the world around them as they crash through everyone's houses. The guy who's playing the trumpet or something. Sure. The sequence with the spiders where it's the bird's eye view through the rafters of the ceiling. Well, that's incredible. They built that whole set. Yeah. Right.

There's a guy going to the bathroom. There's a couple that's fighting. Yeah, and then they pause while they get together. How come we don't have jetpacks now? We do. We just didn't tell you, Ben. You're not supposed to tell them. Wait a second. Have you seen those? You've been holding out on me? That was the whole thing we all't tell you, Ben. You're not supposed to tell them. Wait a second. Have you seen those? You've been holding out on me.

That was the whole thing we all decided on, except for Ben. I love jetpacks. We all agreed. Have you seen those water jetpacks, Ben? Get out of fucking town. They're like, you have to be on the water, and they shoot water out at such a speed and intensity

that you're propelled up in the air above the water. I love that. But you're not quite rocketeering. No. You're like flaileteering. Agreed, but you do get wet, Ben. Because it's water on water. Wow.

Yeah, Ben likes wet movies and this is a wet movie. This is a great bath in this movie. There's an ice bath. There's the weird milky goo that all the precogs live in. Nice little soak. It's like the neuron milk. Isn't that what it's called or something? Yeah, proton milk.

He calls it proton milk. And you're like, great. What's that? It's basically just like warm Xanax milk. That is accurate. Can we talk about Carson Wallace quickly? Yeah, Carson Wallace is cool. By the way, we should actually mention that way back in the beginning,

she grabs him. That's actually crucial. She grabs him out of the pool. He goes into the temple. We're talking about Agatha. Agatha, played by Samantha Morton, and says, can you see? And shows him some vision she's having of an old murder. Right.

And the temple miner's like, that's crazy. She would never do that. She didn't grab you. And then no one's like, let's follow up on this. Like, is there a camera we can look at? That's when he goes to Tim Blake Nelson, who swallows an entire honey-baked ham without chewing. And they give you the backstory of like, well, I don't know. I'm looking for these files.

Oh, let's find the source of. Here's my favorite. He's like, you know, like, I don't know. How many files do they have in there? A lot, right? Yeah, like a bazillion. And he's like, yeah, a bazillion, right? And he's like, well, it was drawn. He't know, how many files do they have in there? A lot, right? Yeah, like a bazillion. And he's like, yeah, a bazillion, right? And he's like, well, it was drowning. He's like, oh, that narrows it down to five.

Hey, man, how many murders by drowning happen? Come on, that's hard to kill someone by drowning. You just hold them down. Well, wait a second. Wait a second. I'm aware of the physics of it. But yes, that's when the Tim Blake Nelson scene happens. Anyway, cars on walls. But that establishes this idea that

precogs have to kind of work together they're not powerful separately it's three visions together but especially you need the woman she's the best one and when he checks he wants to see just her feed of that drowning crime ooh missing

interesting so now cars on walls they're cool the cars move in two directions in crime. Ooh, missing. Interesting. Okay, so now cars on walls. They're cool. The cars move in two directions. Well, they move in all directions, kind of. It's a cool visual where he's going one way, and then they take control of the car, and it starts heading back to the office.

The peril of driverless cars, people, by the way. Yeah, and then he gets out of the car, and he's sort of on the edge of the car, and then it goes sharply over a cliff, because this car's on walls. Yeah, it goes... Yeah, not just horizontal, but vertical, and so he gets out of the car, and he's sort of on the edge of the car, and then it goes sharply over a cliff because his car's on walls. Because his car is not just horizontal but vertical. And so then he has to hop around. Yeah, it's great. It's like a little video game.

And then we get the car factory at the end of the game. Which is a great Spielberg. I think I've watched all the DVD extras years ago, but that was something that Alfred Hitchcock had always wanted to do. He'd always wanted to have some big set piece in a car factory where the car is being made around the people who are fighting. And then at the end, you drive out in a car like he just thought like that's like that's America. Right. That's great. Ten comedy. And exactly. And so Spielberg was like, you know what? We've got I've got the money. I got the juice.

We're going to do this. And like Tom Cruise's. Fuck you. I'm allowed to burn the podcast. Oh, you can. You should have been doing it more. His like fuck you face as he like sits up and he's like, yeah, what up, bitch? I'm alive in this car. And then Colin Farrell basically goes. He goes like this. He goes.

Yeah, he does. He literally. He punches his own palm. That's my second choice that I didn't like. The kissing of the medallion and the air punch. No, I think that's great. He's got the one trickle of blood coming out of his nostril. That's where we're introduced to the sonic guns.

I love the sonic guns that you wind up. That's cool. All the tech in this movie is really good. Oh, those are so cool. Yeah. Cool. It is cool. And then we learn.

Sorry, I'm not trying to rush this. No, no, no. Please, we need to rush. But then we learn that we're not just watching a sci-fi because, oh I don't know, I guess moving plants are sci-fi but like the plant thing feels like fantasy almost. Yeah, it's a little it's unusual. The vines

I wouldn't say I wasn't expecting vines that eat people to pop up in this movie. It's very Harry Potter and so like before Harry Potter and so the vines come as people to pop up in this movie. It's very Harry Potter. And so like, you know, before Harry Potter. And so, yeah, the vines come as he,

is it Hinaman, right? Is that her name? Yes, Iris Hinaman, who's been told, I forget who plants the idea. I guess it is Max Fonsito.

Isn't it? He's, you know, like where he's saying like, who, who would know like how the precogs work? And she's, you know,

Hinaman maybe. So he goes to see the inventor of pre-crime, Iris Hineman, played by Lois Smith. The great Lois Smith. Great scene. Who's also not aged because she plays

a wacky old lady in The Nice Guys just last year. Right, right, right. She's a little older, but I mean. Her eyeglasses are little Coke bottles.

I just watched that movie on the plane. Big, thick glasses. I didn't know that she was, she's in East of Eden. She was an ingenue. Here's a young Yeah. But there's like a bunch

of photos of her like, you know, smooching James Dean. Hey man. Nice working with you. Yeah, exactly. It's all learning. She's still around. I mean, she's 86 now. So around here, she's in her mid-70s when she makes it. She's fantastic at this. She's good. I would have, she's 86 now. So around here, she's in her mid-70s. She's fantastic at that. So good.

She's great. I would have nominated for an Oscar this year. I might have. Yeah. I mean, she's definitely. Well, I might have. The question is, do I give two Minority Report slots? Because I definitely would have given Samantha Morton a Griffey nomination.

No question. No question. It's actually outrageous that she didn't get nominated. I remember her being in the conversation. She was. She was kind of close, it felt like. But they didn't like the movie. It only got one nomination for sound editing.

It's kind of outrageous. It didn't get a production design nomination, which is really crazy. Visual effects, yeah. And I will say, in terms of production design or the CG of this movie, the CG of this movie is generally very good. The plants is where it sort of stretches things. It gets cartoon-y. That is true.

When it's actual CG, not so great. When it's integrated CG, right, when it's like sort of you're expanding and filling out the world, looks good. But when she grabs that plant to sort of make her point and it cuts her palm open, like that looks kind of she's great. She's giving it. She's terrific.

She sells it. She believes that she's wrestling with this vine that she's grasped, but the vine itself looks kind of cheesy. But she throws a bunch of big reveals out there. The precogs are kind of an accident. Yes. You know, she— Yeah, they were the daughters and sons of drug addicts, of neuro-addicts. Right, but she's trying to cure, and this is like a weird side effect, was that they can see the—

Right, and then people latched onto it. Presumably MVS was kind of leading the charge. And they hooked them up, so these kids have sort of lost their lives, you know? Yeah, no, I mean, so. That is a tragedy. I'll tell you my read on this movie pretty quickly. But also, I also just want to mention, this is crucial for us to mention, and we've already gone past this scene.

Cameron Crowe is in this movie. That's what I was going to say. Cameron Crowe and Cameron Diaz. Cameron Diaz is in this movie? Yeah, and. Paul Thomas Anderson is in it. Although, like, I've never seen him. I just know that he's in it. I think Cameron Diaz is on that train, too, but freaking Paul Thomas Anderson. Paul Thomas Anderson is in it, although I've never seen him. I just know that he's in it.

I think Cameron Diaz is on that train, too, but I could be wrong. I'm going to look it up. Anyway, we know it's Crow. Oh, yeah, she is. You're right. Yeah, yeah. Crow's on the train. Yeah, he is reading the-

He's right behind her. What, he's reading USA Today? He's reading USA Today, the auto updates. It's another sort of thing that is right. Oh, geez, and that's Cameron Crow. Yeah, Cameron Diaz is right behind her. Cameron Diaz, I mean, yeah. Yeah, and PTA is there, but like- It's one of those tech things that's almost there, thing that is right. Oh, geez, and that's Cameron Crowe. Yes, Cameron Diaz is right behind him. Cameron Diaz, I mean, yeah. And PTA is there.

It's one of those tech things that's almost there, like the newspaper that just suddenly changes its headline. Yeah. PTA's on the car, too. But anyway, we've done a whole Cameron Crowe miniseries. I mean, I figured we should shout it out. This is the little Vanilla Sky. That's his co-star and his director.

Speely has a cameo in Vanilla Sky. A little crossover cameo. I'll scratch your back. His cameo in Vanilla Sky. A little crossover cameo. His cameo in Vanilla Sky is a little clunkier. You mean Vanilla Sky? Vanilla Sky. Vanilla Sky. You know, the nominees for Supporting Actress this year, they're pretty good. 2002, so Catherine Zeta-Jones wins.

Yeah. Meryl Streep for Adaptation. Yes. Julianne Moore for The Hours. Mm-hmm. 2002. Which is category five, but whatever. Right. 2002, Rosemary Harris for Spider. Yes. Julianne Moore for The Hours. Mm-hmm. 2002. Which is category for I'll put whatever. Right.

2002. Rosemary Harris for Spider-Man. You missed an obvious one. I missed the obvious one? Well, because you already said Catherine C. Jones.

Oh, oh, Queen Latifah for Chicago. The double nom. And then is the other one a weird one? Kathy Bates in About Schmidt.

Oh, who is great in that. Terrific in that movie. Wait, you're saying Samantha Morton would have been supporting? She would have been. She's only in the last third of the movie.

She doesn't really talk until like an hour and 40 minutes in. You know, that's a thing. She goes, then she has that like light bath scene where she's...

Oh, what a monologue that is. And then she goes, run! Yeah, run! Oh my God, she's so good. She's so good. And this is very... Morvern Carr is the same year too.

That's crazy. She had a great year. And this is very- Morvern Collar is the same year, too. That's crazy. She had a great year. This is a very hard performance because it's like, you cannot rely on any realistic human behavior. Also, someone else who was wasted in Fantastic Beasts. Yes, agreed. And it was like an interesting little Minority Report reunion. Yeah, exactly.

Terrible wig on her. They just did her all the disservice. What an awful wig they gave her. Shave her head. That'd be better. Reprehensible. Yeah, exactly. Terrible wig on her. They just did her all the disservice. What an awful wig they gave her. Shave her head, that'd be better. Reprehensible. Yeah, shaved head's good.

I was looking at her IMDb and she was doing so much interesting work until 2009 and she's done a lot of small movies that don't go anywhere on TV since then.

She hasn't done much since 2009 of quality. Samantha Morton in America. It's a fun movie. It's an epic movie. Oh, she's very good in that movie. She has a shaved head in America. It's a fun movie. It's an actor. Oh, she's very good in that.

She has a shaved head in America. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think this was maybe shot right after. Yeah. It was because it was 2003. She was just like growing it out. You're right. She just kind of, I mean, she is in John Carter, but it's a motion.

But that's 2009 or that's 2012. Right. She's in Cosmopolis. Right. But it's Messengers in 2009 is the end of a run where she's doing a lot of really good shit with really good people. Is that when she came out? I don't know.

That might have been when she burned some bridges. Because she came out and she said that thing about her audition and how she was told she was too fat and all this. Yes. And I believe she fired an agent and went to another agent. There was some tumult. I think she's an interesting person went to another agent. There was some tumult. I think she's an interesting person. A firebrand.

Exactly. She directed a movie, too, which I've heard is very good that I haven't seen. But it's on Netflix, I believe, called The Condemned. I'm getting it wrong, but it's something like that. She's so good in this. She's basically Jell-O for the whole movie. Yeah, The Unloved. The Unloved.

She's fantastic in this movie. Her physical performance is just incredible. And you're also playing someone with circumstances that don't exist. Yeah. The unloved. The unloved. She's fantastic. Like her physical performance is just incredible. And you're also, you're playing someone with circumstances that don't exist. Yeah. Right? And she has to behave in totally unrealistic ways. Yeah. Based on those circumstances, but she makes it all feel real.

Where you're like, oh, this is what this person would actually be like if they lived in a tube of Jell-O. Or the child of a drug addict. Right. You know, and were burdened with seeing the future at all times like you're just like oh yeah this seems like a very naturalistic portrayal of that

but you know there's a lot of she has to play the sort of the physical pain of it the mental sort of like overload and she's so good

and even just that shift from the monologue to the run is like that run is terrifying it's so scary terrifying but we're jumping ahead

way ahead sorry no it's fine. Everybody runs. I can't remember where. Oh, well, the little, right, the Iris Henneman scene. That's just fun. Where she introduces the idea of the minority report. And she tells him that he needs to break back and basically steal Agatha.

It's in her brain. And she's like, I bet you know where you can get some eyeballs. Yeah, right. That's true. But that's like the third time. They planted that very well because I feel like, because there was that other one where there was, like, the John Doe who couldn't be identified because he had someone else's eyeballs in, and then at the beginning, the guy he buys drugs from has no eyeballs. Yeah, no, it's obvious, but I like Spielberg hitting it on the head.

No, no, I don't mean. No, no, I know. We agree. We agree. I mean, yeah, that scene where the drug dealer's like, the one-eyed man is king, and then you cut to Cruise, and literally one of his eyes is bathed in light and the rest of him is totally unlit. You know, like he wants. And there's that scene where Max von Sydow like says like the eyes and then coughs, you know, and then he's like of our nation or like. Yeah.

Bam. Bam. It's coming. Peter Starmer is coming. He's coming. He shows up. The Minority Report, which is a great just phrase. They disagree. It's a cool Peter Starmer is coming. He's coming. He shows up. The Minority Report, which is a great phrase. They disagree.

It's a cool term. Yeah. Is when one of the precogs sees something slightly different, which adds in some degree of, you know. Ambiguity. Ambiguity. Wait a second. The system wouldn't work if people knew that. No.

They delete the files automatically. Cruz has never seen them. That's why the file was missing when Tim Blake Nelson was taking some laps in the River of Ham. And now Cruz, in addition to going, okay, that's my key. If I can find the minority report. There must be a minority report, right? For me, then I can prove that it's not a given. But also now, ooh, moral quandary.

He's thinking over his whole career. Yeah. Because I arrested halos who might not have done the crime. That's the question. Lois Smith plays it really well because she walks in there she's even pricklier than those fucking plants. Nice one. Thank you. I don't know. And you're like what's going on?

Why is she giving him so much sass? She's got a guilty conscience about this whole thing. She's giving him the right amount of sass. It's her and her plant. She doesn't want to fucking deal with this mess she made. But she also realizes this is a noir film. It's a neo-noir movie. It's giving him a good amount of sex. It's her and her plant. She doesn't want to fucking deal with this mess she made. But she also realizes, I mean, this is a noir film. Right? It's a neo-noir movie. It's shot like a noir movie. It has this

bleach bypass that they were very intentional about all that. And she's, like, that's a classic element of a noir movie, right? You meet all these weird characters who, and she's manipulating them because she's like, finally, I found a guy who can fuck this all up. Right? Take it down from the inside. You know, and that quote you mentioned

with the point where she's like, you know, your own survival, like, that's going to motivate you to do this. But then she also says, like, don't trust Macdon Sido. Don't trust Colin Farrell. She's like, wait, how many times have you called him? He's like, I don't know, a dozen. She's like, wait a second. She's like, delete him from your speed dial. Are you an idiot?

But she's also like, don't trust me. Don't trust anybody. Fuck everybody. I mean, she's like, that Fed wants your job, which is the Yeah. But she's also like, don't trust me. Don't trust anybody. Right. Fuck everybody. I mean, she's like, that Fed wants your job, which is the only time, like, I mean, you get that later. Twink from the Fed. They call him the twink from the Fed a lot. Do they call him a twink? Yeah, they call him a twink like six times.

And Colin Farrell calls himself a twink from the Fed. He references it. Really? Yeah. I missed, like, I blinked the whole twink thing. Yeah, me too. Gum. I've seen this movie five million times.

Yeah, clearly. No, but like when Colin Farrell starts to do the touch screen thing. And as we've said, he's not quite as good at it. He's not quite as good at it. But when she's like, the twink from the Fed wants your job, and then he does the screen, you're like, oh, he wants to be Tom Cruise. It's not that he wants to just take down Tom Cruise. He wants to do this.

One scene he does really well, too, is when Tom Cruise is pointing the gun at him, and he's like, I don't hear a red ball. And then the alarm goes off, and his face falls. That's some nice stuff from Colin Farrell. Yes, in the elevator, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's also, that's beautiful meta-casting, which... Oh, yeah, of course, right. Here's a young

up-and-comer. You're right, yeah. This might be the next Tom Cruise, and certainly now I think it plays even better, knowing that his strengths lied in a different way, in a different direction. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like that he ended up not fitting into that mold. So it's like, here's a guy where at the time he thought he wanted to be Tom Cruise.

Everyone thought he wanted to be Tom Cruise. And then Whitworth just gets- He gets shot by Max von Sydow. Spoiler. Yeah. For the end of this conversation. Well, I was talking about the movie. I was talking about real life.

No, real life real life colin farrell got shot by max that was just a simple dispute over a card game a minor motherfucker so he goes to see uh peter stormare who had been in lost world yes right is he in another spielberg movie is he in homestead for a second remember Remember how everyone in Lost World is in Homestead? Yeah. I can't remember. Including the T-Rex.

The T-Rex plays a lawyer. Now what I see here. The T-Rex plays the bassoon in Homestead. I guess he's not in any other Spielberg movies. But Peter Stormare, he makes a lot of movies. He works a lot. Peter Stormare's doing full any other Spielberg movies. But Peter Stormare, he makes a lot of movies. He works a lot. Peter Stormare's doing full Stormare here. Yeah.

Yeah. They're like, hey, Stormare weather. Well, you just, Stormare weather, five comedy points. I just did the quack. He does the quack. Yeah. He quacks a lot. He's just like, hey, Peter, I'm just going to let you loose.

We're going to start rolling. Just do everything you can to make everyone uncomfortable. Now, I have some issue with this scene, right? Okay. I don't know. What do you guys think of this? I like this scene generally. It's some issue with this scene, right? Okay. I don't know. What do you guys think of this? I like this scene generally. It's the eye-swapping scene, right?

And part of the fun of this scene is that as he's injected him with painkillers and he's getting ready to take out his eyes, he's like, by the way, I'm a crazy scientist, man.

I have a doctor. I set people on fire. Right? And we know each other and I have a grudge against you. The way that's revealed. Tom Cruise is so, he's like,

because he has to be smiling because the laughing gas is working. You set your victims on fire. And he's like, they were performance pieces, right? So you're like, oh my God. And then he totally, and also Tom Cruise doesn't have much money. And in return, Peter Stormare gives him new eyes. I love it. Makes him eat some bad sandwiches.

Was that intentional? I don't even really know. He drinks green milk. You would think this is going to be like, uh-oh, he's going to be in real bad shape. But I kind of like that reversal. I could be talked into this. That's a good reversal. I'll lie somewhere between the two of you in that I think it works as a reversal.

I think it's way too long. I think this scene goes on for a long time. It does go on for a little while. Yeah. Although, of course, it is setting up the big spider scene. Yeah, and if it wasn't so rare, like, it's the opposite of Tim Blake Nelson.

Like, I like the amount of cheese and ham he's bringing to this. At this point in the film, especially when he's drugged, it works. The cheese and ham sandwich that he makes is delectable. Yeah. And I enjoy the leisurely way.

That's the key. You got to put cheese on the ham. Tim Blake Nelson just pulled out a fucking cheese. Just ham. It's a good mix of ham and cheese. That's what you're saying. Ham and cheese. I don't know what you mean.

And then the spiders. Tommy gets new eyes. Right. But the spiders come, so he has to go in an ice bath, and then, you know. Ice bath is great, but then they zap him. They zap him out of it. Well, and so. This is the whole, we've already talked about, but that whole set piece is just terrific.

And the rule building of like, okay, you have to keep this bandage on for this long. If you take it off prematurely, then you're going to go blind, and the eyes won't work. Right, and he does go blind. I've always, that's how I've always taken it, right? He goes blind in one eye. In one eye? He's the one-eyed man, right? Right. But yeah, it's like

the stakes are so clearly set up. It's a classic Spielberg sequence where we know what's going on, where everyone is, what has to be done, what can't be done, and you're like, how does he get around this? Oh, he lifts up one eye. But I also just like the weird dynamic playing out between Neil McDonough and Patrick Kilpatrick.

I love saying that guy's name. Patrick Kilpatrick, baby. You know, where Neil McDonough's like, let's take it easy. And Patrick Kilpatrick's like, let's rough up the poor people. I don't want to be scary. Also, they both just want to go to lunch. Yeah, they do want to go to lunch. They're hungry.

Like me. That's a big cat. I do like the idea that they don't know how to be cops. They don't have to do anything. They just toss their little iPhones out that like the iPhones go find the people. Later when you have the murder scene and Colin Farrell, Neil McDonnell's like, huh, sure it looks like a murder. And Colin Farrell's like, have you never run a murder before?

Yeah, he was like, what were you doing before this and what was it? It was like. He's like a treasury agent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Tyler's like, this is your actual first murder scene. Yeah, he's like, so actually, yeah, this is bullshit. It's like non-lethal weapons and rocket packs, and all they do is apprehend people before anything gets bad.

Right. They don't know how to get their hands dirty. They sure don't. Yeah. But he's got the Ziploc bag with his own eyeballs in it. Right. And some goop. Yeah, and I love that sequence.

Just going back for a second, but him running through the mall where all the targeted advertising's hitting him, and it's like, oh, fuck, this is why he needs new eyes. Yeah. I love that, though. It's not even like cops are going to notice him. And even getting on the subway, your eyes get scanned. Right.

But it's just like people know his name now. It's all over the news, and if he's walking around any public place, Gap's going to keep on putting him on blast. I just wish more of the Gap things had been like that six pack of black ribbed tank tops that you bought. How do you like those? Like they don't... Yeah, they don't hit Tom Cruise on his fashion choices. I need some more Tom Cruise.

I need more Tom Cruise jokes. You could use a Guinness right about now, right? They do that. Yeah. Got a sale on sleeveless shirts. Yes. How about you show those guns off, Mr. Anderton? So he breaks into you. We talked about his weird face-changing machine.

He breaks into the temple. You don't like the face-changing machine, Benny? No. Why not? It disturbed me. That's a fair answer. You didn't like the eye stuff either, right? No.

Yeah. I think that really hit me in a visceral way. eye stuff either, right? No. Yeah, I think that really hit me in a visceral way. I don't know, because it's like seems like some shit that could happen in the foreseeable future. Eye stuff really freaks me out. That's like my one

kind of big trigger in movies in terms of like gore, viscera, or like any action sequence where it's like or a horror movie where it's eyes are the thing under threat. The part where they were like clockwork oranging his eyes open. Don't like it. I almost looked away and then I was like, no, we're going to have to talk about it on

the podcast. I have to watch it. Don't get committed. I was like, they'll make fun of me if I don't watch it. I looked away. Okay. But yeah, and then the eye rolling down the- That's a little bit of Looney Tunes.

That's a little bit of like- It's what I'm saying. Spill the Bones to have fun. I mean, yeah, it's true. It's very Looney Tunes. What's a little bit of like, oh, look at this. He wants to have fun. I mean, yeah, it's true. It's very Looney Tunes. What's that ramp doing there? Why is that hallway so ramped? But he breaks in.

He steals Samantha Morton. He's going to try to download her files, but then time's running out. He can't find it, so he's just got to take her, which fucks everything up because now no pre-crime. I just want to say,

having worked for different companies like isn't HR usually supposed to like change the lock? Exactly. Why does his eyeball still work on the temple? It's true.

This guy's a murderer. I thought about this a lot. My only answer is they would just think like well why the fuck would he come here? Right? That'd be crazy.

He's running away from us. We'd love it if he came here. It'd be great. He'd put him in jail. He's running away from us. We'd love it if he came here. It'd be great. He could put him in jail. The jail's right down there. Tim Blake Nelson's there. Right. Just like an elevator ride.

But yeah, he grabs a soggy Samantha Morton in her white bodysuit. And he's like, this white bodysuit's not going to fly. And they flush themselves down the toilet. Yes. Goes to the gap. I love that little detail of him holding up the clothes against the woman who looks like her size. Oh, that's great. But yeah, no, he rescues Samantha Morton. Right. Goes to the gap. I love that little detail of him holding up the clothes against the woman who looks like her size. Oh, that's great.

But yeah, no, he rescues Samantha Morton, right? And you have that is this now thing. So this is a noir movie. In my opinion, the movie, she's the main character

and she's the femme fatale is my read. It's always been my read on this movie. And she is generating, this is a movie about her breaking out of jail, essentially. It ends on her she is generate this is a movie about her breaking out of jail essentially it ends on her exactly this is a movie about her liberation and she sets the entire

plot in motion when she shows tom cruise can you see her mother's death i mean spoiler alert that's her mom being murdered and like that's of course what's what triggers max and cedat to you know frame time cruise right like so it's like this is a movie about her she can see the future and she knows how to like she can finally once he gets into the temple and we're told it's the first time he gets in there like she's like finally I can like make my escape right yes and it's also great I mean this is a movie yeah this is a movie uh that uses Mr. X really smartly because the way Colin Farrell said Mr. X and I was like who's this Mr. X really smartly because the way Colin Farrell's character... For a second I thought you said Mr. X

and I was like, who's this Mr. X? Mr. X was the first assistant director and I feel like they often didn't let him do his thing but in this movie they really said,

you know what? Spielberg was like, Mr. X, and he was like, yes. It's just like they had this guy in a trench coat. He's played by Doug Jones

I think, right? He had no jar on mechanical spiderwebs. But yeah, what you were saying earlier about like Spielberg is not necessarily a subtle filmmaker. I think he's a nuanced filmmaker, but he writes

big, right? He wants you to understand what's going on. He wants you to have the emotional reactions he intends at a given moment. And so the way that Colin Farrell's character is so unlikable, the gum chewing, how antagonistic he is from the get-go, and the fact that we have all these flashbacks to the sun, it's like, okay, we know where this is going.

Colin Farrell set him up. Of course, there's going to be a reversal here, right? But I do like that the reversal is like, Colin Farrell's too good at his job to be put over like this. That's what I'm saying. He's just like, no, this is too easy. Well, yeah. Go ahead, Joanna.

Or you can say Joe. Yeah. Well, you just have him, you have Colin Farrell evolve. I think the Witwer character is my favorite part of this film because you have him evolving from antagonist to like co-sympathetic protagonist. And then the fact that he dies. Immediately. Is perfect.

It makes this film so much better that Whitworth dies. And it shifts it nicely against Lamar. I just think you could watch this movie and go like, okay, it's good but Spielberg's doing some clunky shit. It's so clear the feral character's the villain and it's so

clear that the guy he's going to kill is going to be the guy who abducted his son. And, right, right. And then it's like, no, it's a prestige shit. He's making you look over here so you're not paying attention over here, which I think in terms of twists in movies is usually the most effective way to do it. Yeah. Because either it's like there was no foreshadowing and then just feels fucking abusive because

it's just like you just pulled a rug for the sake of pulling a rug. Right. Or it's too clearly foreshadowed. And this is like everything's there, but he's telling you to look at this instead of that. And so when it all comes together, it's like, I had forgotten, I remember that at the end of the movie it was Max von Sydow. But I had

forgotten the Mike Binder was hired. You get to the first, there's that set piece where he's walking her through the mall and she keeps predicting the future. He's like, grab that umbrella, stay. So smart. Do you see the balloon man yeah stay

stay I love her in this movie so much and him too he's terrific but like the visual of him like

holding her and protecting her and like that great shot where they're facing in opposite directions and it's like she's trying to push him away

and he's like you know they're literally is that not the poster shot that was one of the posters. One of the posters. The major poster shot

was a totally boring, just like Tom Cruise. Yeah, one eyeball. No, there was the slightly cooler one where it's his face, but one eye. But then there's the other really dull one that's just,

you know. Oh, that's stupid. That was when all Tom Cruise posters look like that. But the two faces, the faces going opposite directions is really good. It's really good.

Yeah, and so they have this great chase to get away. But they go to Leo Crow's apartment, and it's full of pictures of all the kids he sees. It's so stupid. You know, like you do. But once again, you just go like- You really want to keep them in a loose pile on the bed. That's where you would keep your kid murder photos. But that's what I love about it is it feels like shitty filmmaking.

It doesn't- Right, right. It feels too easy. It works, and you're just like, okay, he's wrapping it up too neatly. He doesn't trust us. Spielberg might have just misstepped here. We call it an orgy of evidence. No, that's the point. The point is this is a poorly

directed idea. But nonetheless, this is the button that he can push to make Tom Cruise kill someone. I mean, to make John Anderson kill someone. But then, like she keeps telling him, like, you don't have to. Like, you know you're supposed to do this.

And her freaking, that scene is so tense because she's freaking out. Yes. She's like on her knees on the bed. While the thing she knows is happening, right, and she's shrieking. And it's just like, oh, it's so good. And she keeps saying that you're the differences you know. You're the only person to ever know. And like, what

did you, you know, he doesn't do it ever know and like what I what did you you know he doesn't do it that's that's what I'd forgotten that he doesn't do it but then it like plays out exactly that way but then he wants

he needs it to happen because Leo Crowe's been promised like redemption for his family he's already he beats the clock he's like a Jack Ruby yeah but like

he beats the clock yeah but like he beats the clock but then it plays out exactly yeah which I love like with the same dialogue same image same dialogue

but different intonations yeah and I love. With the same dialogue. Anderton, wait. Same image. Same dialogue, but different intonations. Yeah. And I love that shot with- Goodbye, Crow. Goodbye, Crow. Yeah. I love that shot with the courtyard of the building surrounding it when they pull up from the window and you see everyone reacting and looking at the dead body on the ground,

hearing the gunshot and being like, is that a murder? Yeah, that doesn't happen. Right, right, right. It's crazy. They're less scared and more like, wait, that's not really- Is it a murder? Murder. But I love that also when he does it that she shrieks because she's like finally there.

First, a murder. I don't know. It feels like. Oh, is that what it was? If she can feel like the metaphysical breaking of time and space in the act of murder, like that must be like. It sucks. Right? Yeah.

It's like the fucking worst. So then, yeah, then we have the crime scene thing that you were talking about in terms of Colin Farrell actually being a cop the act of murder, like that must be like, right? Yeah. It's like a fucking worse. So then, yeah, then we have the crime scene thing that you were talking about in terms of Colin Farrell actually being a cop and everyone else being an idiot.

Right. It's great. He's from the Department of Justice. And in one scene, they totally flip the character. He says this makes no sense, but then he makes the same mistake Tom Cruise makes.

He's like, you know who I need to have a nice long convo with is Lamar Burgess. We're going to just talk it out. But you know what? In private. And first, the thing I'm going to do is put a gun in his hand.

You know what I need to give him is a murder weapon with someone else's prints on it. Yeah. Load that gun. Put it right in his hand. No prob. For the first time in six years, murder is open game because the precogs have been flushed on the toilet. But I love that.

Me too. What is Zetto's line? He's like, no boots on the ground. Do you hear that? Yeah. Nothing. No boots, no spiders.

He is fucking great. No six sticks. He's like, no click clack of little spiders going up the stairs. Also, what is this group

that the kids see? He literally, do you think Max Fonsino's just like, look man, just give me the lines, I'll read them and they'll murder him.

I totally feel like he would approach Game of Thrones, right? That's Hopkins and Westworld, too. No acting required. NAR, baby. NAR. I slipped that into an Atlantic story this week.

It's great, right? Is that the best? No acting required. Oh, God. Oh, my God, guys. So Danny Whitworth dies. Well, no. Oh, and Danny Whitworth, right.

Danny Whitworth dies kissing his medallion as he goes. Poor Danny. It's almost a straight take on the L.A. Confidential, James Cromwell shooting Kevin Spacey. Right, like the sort of out of nowhere. Yeah. It's great because we're just starting to feel like, oh, is Colin Farrell going to kind of become a co-protector? Yeah, right.

Are we going to switch leads almost? No. No. He gets killed. No, he's out of there. And now Tom Cruise has reconnected with his wife. Well, no. First he takes Agatha to the brain center.

Right. To, what's his name? Firefly or whatever. Rufus Riley. Rufus T. Riley. Jason Antoon. Yeah. Tries to download the murder out of her brain,

but she doesn't. She tells him he didn't have. Oh, no. This must have happened before Leocrow. We're getting the chronology all fucked up. But that's okay. But yeah,

like she says, you don't have a minority report. Much like the precogs, we're seeing just glimpses of things out of order. The minority report is kind of the, that's kind of a red herring. Like it's important

for the larger themes of does pre-crime make sense. That's a cool title. But there, there is that cool part in the, I don't know what, Pleasure Palace,

whatever you want to call it, where like, like, yeah, what is the thing called I forget Bruce City she

like she falls backwards you know because she flails a lot of the time she falls backwards and she's looking at the screen and he's looking at the screen can you see yeah

it's that fucking murder she wants investigated man it's good she's like forget your shit but yeah my cold case is the problem it's true yeah yeah no you're right yes then then they go to his ex-wife's house She's like, forget your shit. My cold case is the problem here. It's true.

Yeah, no, you're right. Yes, then he goes to his ex-wife's house. She lives in like Virginia somewhere. Some nice. And we've seen her. I think the movie's done a good job of keeping her in the picture. Because you see her as a video first. In a wig.

Yeah. Quite the wig. In quite the wig. But the video is essentially she's like, can I fuck you already? And he's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And she's like, seriously, like, come on. It's time yeah that's that's the detail i love too a detail i love is that when he's going through the videos each one the video quality is a little worse as he's going like backwards in time so when he goes up to the one that's katherine morris and uh he's like standing next to it she's like three-dimensional hologram and he walks to the side of it it's like

oh no it's like a kind of hologram where it's like there's a 3d to it. She's like three-dimensional hologram and he walks to the side of it. It's like, oh no, it's like a kind of hologram where it's like there's a 3D shape and then it's projected on the top of it, but from the side it doesn't really. It's like bleeding and like creepy, yeah. That stuff's good. And then she has the scene, she talks to Max von Sydow on the phone.

She has the Lamar scene briefly where he's trying to say, who's Leo Crow? Right. Which is, he knows who Leo Crow is Crow? He knows who Leo Crow is. He knows exactly who Leo Crow is. This motherfucker. He's playing everyone like a fucking piano. He knows from Leo Crow. He's like Tim Blake Nelson. He's playing everyone like an organ.

He's winning a Grammy for best soundtrack. Why does Tim Blake Nelson have an organ? Because he's bored. And what I like is that he has a wheelchair with breakfast on it. He has a breakfast table. Are you trying to tell me that you wouldn't have breakfast on a wheelchair with breakfast on it. He has a breakfast table. Are you trying to tell me that you wouldn't have breakfast on a wheelchair? Maybe I would.

I don't know. You would. So then, yeah, you have the scene we already talked about a little bit, where the monologue, where essentially she tells them the future that they didn't have. Like the future they could have had if his son hadn't died. Can I throw out a hot take? Sad. Bummer., sad. Bummer!

Really sad. And then he gets haloed. Yeah. And he gets put in his halo jail, right? And he gets his head shaved and he doesn't look as good as Samantha Morton does. He does not. Also, I want to point out, they give him different eyes when his eye, you know, he has those big black eyes.

Right. And that looks cool. And it's weird seeing an actor play a role with new eyes. And he's also got these red sort of rings around his eyes which gets to this thing. Tom Cruise especially in sci-fi, more interesting the more beaten down he looks. Yeah, fuck with him. Yeah, fuck with him a little bit. But maybe don't shave his

head is what you're going for, Joe Rowe? Not his best look. Can I call you Joe Rowe? Sure. Can I call you Rojo? Sure. So some people Okay, alright. I feel like this is prevailing at the time Sure. So some people, okay, all right. I feel like this is prevailing at the time especially. AI comes out, people are like, this movie's too long and has a dumb ending. Right.

It's got a dumb ending, this movie. It's got a dumb ending. Don't like it. The report comes out, people are like, this movie's too long. Why has it got a dumb happy ending again? Right? So some people are like, why doesn't the movie just end right there? Right.

And then other people are like, the movie does end there and the rest of it's a fantasy, right? Oh, I hate that shit. It's in his brain because he's in the jail. That's some like cracked.com shit. I don't like it. I agree. That is some cracked.com shit.

That is exactly what it is, Joanna. Thank you. Thank you, Roja. That is literally right. That is some honest trailers bullshit. I don't know. Anyway. But, you know.

Crack.com does excellent work on other things. They have some good stuff, but sometimes they're like, this crazy fan theory about these movies will change the way you look at them forever. What if Biodome is actually just a dream in Midnight Cowboy? Everyone's, that sounds good. I would click. That's my answer. Everyone's going to make their living.

I've made my living. We've all made our livings. Sure, sure. It's all cool, but that is some Crack.com shit right there. That is some Cr click. That's my answer. Everyone's going to make their living. I've made my living. We've all made our livings. Sure, sure. It's all cool, but that is some crack.com shit right there. That is some crack.com shit, yeah. But so he does have to hang out with Tim Blake Nelson, which is a real bummer for him. Ooh, that's like fate worse than death. And then, yeah, you have that scene pretty much right after where Lamar is.

She's tying Max Bencedo's bow tie. And he's like, I will look for anything about a woman who has drowned. No one said anything about drowning. Come on, Max. You've been playing this so well. Now you're like, what was it? That's your mistake? No, I definitely didn't kill... You're one of our finest living actors. You just

gotta sell it for a little longer. And then he... But like, C-Down made the same mistake that Colin Farrell does, which he gives her the gun. Does he not? Because she's staring at that... Oh, wait, she's staring at the gun. Does he not? Because she's staring at that but oh she's staring at the eyeball. Yes. That's what she's staring at.

She's staring at the eyeball. She's staring at the eyeball. Which is kind of a gun in that this film posits that eyes are the most powerful tool of all.

Whoa. Dude. I'm raising my eyebrow. Wow. Eye. Nature's gun. But I think I like how this plays out.

I like the staging of it. The party and they show the murder. I don't know. I like the gold gun. Me too. I'm here for it. I do like that he has to explain, like, a gold gun. Let me explain. Civil war.

Because they need a gun. Someone's got to have a gun for the final scene. She takes... Oh yeah, because someone's got to have a gun for the final scene. She takes, oh yeah, because they don't really have guns. No one has lethal weapons because you can't because then fucking dream crime wouldn't work. Because that's a different movie. That's lethal weapon.

Right. And we're watching Minority Report. If they all had guns, then every Red Bull would be followed by another Red Bull, right? It would be like, oh, and then like Officer Anderton's going to kill this guy. It's a daisy chain of guns. So that's why they all have six sticks and cool, weird, non-lethal weapons.

That was part of the brain, the think tank Spielberg set up. He was like, give me some non-lethal weapons, you guys. They should have called this movie

Non-Lethal Weapons. They should. They should. Shit. Wow. Jesus Christ. Holy shit. That's an anti-crack.com thing.

What if it was called that? That would have been amazing. What if it was like, Steven Spielberg and Tom Cruise are going to make a movie and we're like, ooh, what is it? Get this.

Non-lethal weapon. Okay, so his wife, Anderson's wife, Mrs. Anderson. Her name, I believe, is Lara. Lara Anderson, or whatever her maiden name is. Lara Anderson. She's, I believe, is Lara. Lara Anderton. Or whatever her maiden name is. Lara Anderton. She's kept

Anderton, according to the Wikipedia. Ruins Tim Blake Nelson's organ solo by slapping that eyeball. Puts an eyeball and it's like Like as if that eyeball were heavy enough to depress those keys. That's true. That's a little much. But, yeah.

And she pops him out of Halo jail. That's true. That's a little much. Yeah. But yeah. And she. She pops him out of Halo jail. Yeah. And yeah. And he reveals Max von Stato orchestrated this crime the murder of

Samantha Morton's mother because she wanted she had cleaned up and she wanted her back. And then he like did all this trickery so he could like make it look like

he staged the crime they stopped the crime and then he did the real crime while it was happening. What is it called? It's not a minority protest. It's an echo. Echo. And that's why it was clean.

That's why there's no red balls. Smart, clever. I like it. Yeah, it's fun. And that's all invented. We have fun. We have fun with our murders. We try.

Lamar Burgess, he puts the fun in murder. Yeah. Right? Yeah. It's about the journey, not the destination for him. And this whole time Samantha Morton's mom has been missing. They say it, we're lying. That's right.

Just another missing person as if there are a lot of missing people in this universe. Can you eliminate crime or at least murder? People shouldn't go missing anymore. Maybe people go missing because you can no longer murder people so you can just disappear them. But I mean, this is part of the overall message of the movie, right? It's a tenuous- Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. No, but this is a post-9-11 movie. It's a movie that's worried about the surveillance state and about the ease with which we make these mental leaps. This is right around the time Eye in the Sky- No, not Eye in the Sky. Eye in the Sky just came out, my friend. No, what am I thinking of?

Never mind. No, come on. Will Smith and, you know. Oh, Enemy of the State. There you go, Enemy of the State, which is not the same as Eye in the Sky. That was 98.

Oh, okay. That's earlier. But this movie, I mean, I think what's interesting is 2005, Munich, and War of the Worlds are both, I think, consciously post-9-11.

Absolutely. But this is true. This has that DNA. It's just less, it's more oblique. Well, this movie is like in production when 9-11 happens, you know? Yeah, right about. So like sort of accidentally reflecting. Well, I think it was like, it was developed independently.

And then I think it's like seeping into the bones of everything. Of the nut. Of the nut. And there already is, in this material, a lot of overlap with a lot of the concerns that we were all fighting and wrestling with at the time. And that's Philip K. Dick, right? Yeah. That's just everything Philip K. Dick writes.

Which is what the story- Paranoid sci-fi. The story is really just the first third of the movie. It's just the idea of pre-crime and the new guy comes in and Anderson gets caught for a murder. And as he's put in prison he tells the new guy, like, watch out because they're going to do the same shit to you.

That's just the story. I don't know if you guys noticed but at the reception there at the end they had a banner that said Mission Accomplished. Wow. Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. It just possible oh uh as spielberg says in an interview guys we're giving up some of our freedom so that the government points thank you ben yeah just talk right over that guys that's what it feels like yes it did yes yes and but then the end of the

movie to me the button that's crucial is that you see Agatha has gotten her freedom with the two twins. Dash and Art? Dash and Art. They're named after, you know, Agatha Christie, Arthur Conan Doyle, and Dash LaHammond. That's cool. But that's the note the movie— Mystery writers, guys. Yeah.

I didn't get Arthur Conan Doyle. I was like, Agatha Christie, Dash LaHammond. Okay. Terrible wigs on all of them. Yeah, they've got some fucked up wigs. But look, come on. They were bald. Like, come on.

That's one shot. Terrible, terrible fucked up wigs but look come on they were bald like come on that's one shot terrible terrible awful wigs what if the movie should make it clear they should have like one of them like reach up and scratch their bald head under the wig

so it's like don't worry we know they just didn't want to be bald anymore they were sick of being bald this is like two weeks later they didn't have time to grow their hair out

just the proton milk really fucked with their follicles yeah cause you think like the guy in the who brushes their teeth you think he like shaves their heads too

is that oh my god that creeper can he get haloed please because when they put out the back of the pole he's like I'm so and he like

gives her Eskimo kisses my mom made you know meet her new boyfriend he's brushing her teeth I'm doing a teeth brushing that guy is so gross yeah he's good

and then yeah and then the Andertons make a new baby so they don't have to worry about their dead son anymore. They got a new baby. Yeah, so, I mean, maybe this is where people blink, because it is that Spielberg where he's like,

that done, perfect. David just mimed tying a bow very neatly and elegantly and theatrically. Well, thank you. But I do think, you know, I certainly prescribe to the theory that the ending of your movie is the thesis. You choose to end on your final statement that should make it clear

what you really were ultimately above all else trying to say this entire time. And I think it's very telling that it ends with the precogs and not with Tom Cruise. And if people complain about that Tom Cruise ending being too neat, okay. I'll complain. It's literally one shot. It if people complain about that Tom Cruise ending being too neat, okay, I'll complain. It's literally one shot.

It's literally one shot of Tom Cruise, the wife comes up from behind him and she's pregnant. You know? They don't, like, really. You can file a complaint. And pre-crime has been disbanded. Yes. It's been shuttered.

You see the whole thing just sort of shut down and abandoned. And, like, they don't say it, but it's possible, well, that would be crazy, but doesn't it seem like it's possible that they're in the lake house? Like, Monsanto's lake house? They're in a lake house. Ooh, interesting. And, like, his wife, because, you know, he murdered her mom at a lake.

And at one point in the movie, his wife is like, well, now you're retiring. We can actually use that lake house or something like that. I don't know if the lake house comes up. He's like, yeah, just don't look in the water. Yeah. He's like, don't look too deeply. Also, let's watch that Keanu Reeves, Sandra Bullock movie because it's great. I would like to be in the lake house, but let's never go swimming.

70 bodies in the lake. No snorkeling. And don't go into my secret room with my ski mask in it. The ski mask had like goggles on. It had like built-in goggles. It was a fancy ski mask. Yeah, it was like intense. But I think, yeah, I mean, it was like intense yeah um but i think yeah i

mean it's like the i agree the movie is ultimately about the precogs that's the real story tom cruise is kind of like the the narrative catalyst but that's the real emotional arc of the film you know i think him regaining his you know rebuilding his family is secondary and i think the precog uh pre-crime being disbanded is like a very mixed thing you know i mean it kind of speaks to this 9-11 thing where it was like well we you know our country took action in ways because we definitely felt the need to respond to something in some way right and it was like well it's we're kind of there's no good answer here yeah you know like i don't know if our administration dealt with it the right way but it's like look this thing is kind of morally dubious, but if we disband it,

there's going to be more murder. So either you're going to arrest a bunch of people who shouldn't be arrested, or people are going to do bad shit. And every single one of them was released and pardoned. Yes, although the government keeps an eye on them. Oh, yeah. Even that's murky. An eye on them. Maybe it's like

that one Tom Cruise eye that went down the sewer. That's the one that they have fixed on him. They keep the eye on the keys of the organ every time they do something bad. Yeah. But I like that. I think it's like a murky ending, really. You know, there's a patness in terms of like, okay, our two heroes end up happy.

You know, they get the nice little idyllic life that they want. It's also like the state of the world is like, well, we watched this whole movie that sort of explained how this system is corrupt and the guy behind it is fucked up and they wrongfully imprisoned a lot of people but it's like,

okay, but now a lot of people who should have been imprisoned are back on the streets and it's like... And Danny Weaver is still dead.

Right. It's a rock and a hard place movie, you know, which I like, which is how we all felt in the wake of 9-11. Yes, thank you for that gum,

I'll take it. By the gum, I mean box office game and then we we got to be done. Okay. So I remember people thought this movie was going to be huge, and then it was a squeaker of an opening weekend. Do you know about our box office game, Joe? We're going to play the box office game. Try to guess the top five of the box office game of the week.

The week is June 21st, 2002. I'm sure you're a little dork, so I'm sure you know the other movie that opened with it. No, I do. Yes, I do. This is what I was building up. The film opened at $35 million. As you say, it was seen as slightly

underperforming. Because the other film was within a million dollars of that, right? It was within $400,000. Okay, so two movies opened this weekend, and everyone was like, Minority Report is opening in the 40s. This other movie, people were like, best case scenario, it opens in the 20s,

and then both of them open mid-30s within $400,000 of each other, and people were like, wow, that's crazy. Is Tom Cruise starting to slip if he didn't have that big of a grip on the opening weekend? Minority Report number one. $35.6 million.

And then also $35.2 million is Lilo and Stitch. Right. Adorable little Disney movie. So I wasn't in. Which wasn't. Okay. 2002? Yeah.

2002. Was not even Disney. I saw it here in New York. Oh, wow. Lilo and Stitch. Great movie. So I must have seen one when I was younger. Maybe you did.

Okay, sorry. Not even. I don't know how long you were in my, you know. That's not relevant. But anyway, Ohana means family. Ohana means no one gets left behind. Okay, sorry. Not even. I don't know how long you were, you know. That's not relevant. But anyway, Ohana means family. Ohana means no one gets left behind. True, empirical truth. But also, that wasn't even like Disney's big movie that year.

Treasure Planet was their big bet. And that cost like fucking $100 million. And Lilo and Stitch was like a thing they had made in like an animation wing that mostly did TV shit and direct-to-video movies. And they gave them a little more budget. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and that was a huge hit. And Treasure Planet was a huge bomb. But Lilo and Stitch

was kind of a game changer. Okay, what else is in the box? Number three is a movie you've talked about. Scooby-Doo? See how good he is at this game?

Wow. We're like the annoying couple that plays charades. I'm really impressed. If it's time periods I lived with and I remember... Wow, okay.

He's good at this. $24 million and it's second weekend. Right, because it opens to like 50. Yeah, it's good at this. $24 million in its second weekend. Right, because it opens to like 50. Yeah, it's already made $100 million. It was a huge hit. People don't talk about it. Scooby-Doo.

Yeah. I saw it twice opening day. You, what? God. I love Scooby-Doo. Awful person. I like the mythology of Scoobert-Doo. Number four is a movie in a franchise that is still running,

a very infrequent franchise, still running to this day. It's the first entry. The first entry of what has become an infrequent franchise? Yeah. I believe that is Resident Evil, the first one. No. Interesting. Although I think Resident Evil is right around there.

Came out spring 2002. Interesting. But we're in summer, my friend. We're in summer. More clues. too. Yeah. Interesting. We're in summer, my friend. And this film has made $54 million in two weeks and was seen as kind of like a mildly surprising hit.

Underworld? No. It is a genre movie, but it's not like a fantasy movie. It's like an action movie. Interesting. It's an action franchise. They're still making them. 54. How many have there been in total? Can you tell me that? Five.

There have been five of them. Although one of them is kind of a side equal. To use that word. No, never mind. No? That's so fascinating. Starring an Oscar winner. I'll keep giving you clues. Starring an Oscar winner. Were they

an Oscar winner at the time? Yes. The film total gross $121 million. I'm pretty sure that every movie after it, at least the next couple, make more. It's not Pirate. Nope. That's 03. 02.

It's not The Sum of All Fears. No. Which I know comes out that year. Which is number five. You just guessed number five in the box office. Hells yeah, it did. Which I saw in theaters. That made $100 million.

It did. Who could tell me one thing? Yeah, went to the movies? Yeah, seriously. You know what they do in that movie? They blow up a fucking football stadium with a nuke. Yeah. Right after September 11th.

Crazy movie. Right after September 11th. Is Attack of the Clones number six? It's number nine. Okay. Also in the top ten, you got Divine Secrets of the Yaya Sisterhood. Yeah, you do.

Okay. You got Juana Man opening at number eight. I don't. I don't want, no. You don't want a man? Spider-Man is clicking around there. It's made 390.

It's number ten. That's cute. You got Bad Company. I saw every single one of these movies in theaters. Yeah. I saw everything in this top ten. There's Spirit Stallion of the Simmering.

Okay. Horses. I'm going to tell you my spirit story, which is this. You can say that title and put any one of those nouns in any position in the title and it still works.

Simmering, Stallion of the Spirit? Stallion, Simmering of the Spirit. That's good. Like, that's a game I used to play. I don't know why. Give me more hints on more hints let's crack this infrequent franchise there are five of them

but one of them is a sidequel they star an Oscar winner all the other ones do well after that it's infrequent they're spread out the first one's in 2002

yeah oh oh oh oh oh oh oh it's a born identity boom thank you okay

nailed it under the radar, that movie. The Renner sidequel. Yes. Good clues. Yes, of course. So there you go. That's the box office game.

We had fun, guys. Bourne Identity actually added five theaters that week. Just FYI. There was originally a thing where Some of All Fears and Bourne Identity were supposed to open the same day, and they were like, we can't do this to Ben and Matt. Oh, poor Ben and Matt. They're both trying to start their own little franchises what will they you know political thrillers let them they're definitely both gonna go equally as well yeah right the funny thing is fears was seen as the bigger one born and

some make basically the same amount of money about 120 each and where did where did matt uh ryan uh jack ryan uh ben affleck affleck never did Jack Ryan again and Bourne also had such Affleck crashes and burns because he's got Daredevil and then Gigli like he just

Jersey Girl it was a bad time that's the next year he really whereas Matt Damon everyone's like Matt Damon and then hey

and the production history of that movie was really rough and there were a lot of bad buzz coming out they had sort of yeah Doug Liman was stirring up

his usual Limania oh I do love Doug Liman was stirring up his usual Limania. Oh, I do love Doug Liman. The limonade. But what, like, is there a Jack Ryan curse? Do we think Krasinski,

I mean, I guess I'm way off topic here. A little bit. Krasinski? Is he doing it now? Yeah. Oh, he's doing a TV show. But it's going to work because it's for Amazon.

Everything they do is great. They're a great company. They're perfect. I love everything they've ever produced. Great tablets. Especially like coming up, they've just got a lot of really good stuff coming up. They've got some good stuff on the rise. Most definitely. I'm excited for the supermarket they're opening great company. They're perfect. I love everything they've ever produced. Great tablets. Especially like coming up. They've just got a lot of really good stuff coming up.

They've got some good stuff on their rise. Most definitely. I'm excited for the supermarket they're opening. Yeah. God, their creepy supermarket where you can just take shit. It's great. I'm totally against human beings having jobs. It's great.

Amazon's a great company. All right. Don't get fired, Griff. All right. I'm saying, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying they should do it. They should kill all humans and make robot supermarkets. All right.

I got to go home. Yeah. I have should do it. They should kill all humans and make robot supermarkets. All right. I got to go home. Yeah. I have to do something. What the fuck are you doing that's so special? I got to get a tape video off a hard drive from somebody. He's got to go see about a girl. He's got to go see about a hard drive. Speaking of Matt Damon.

I have to go see about a boy. It's playing at a revival theater. Dumb revival theater. You're like, I'm a Nicholas Holt's completist. I got to see it all. Joe Robinson. Rojo. Yes. Thank you so much I'm a Nicholas Holt's completist. I gotta see it all. Joe Robinson. Rojo. Yes.

Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me. This is delightful. So great. People can listen to you on the 17 podcast that you mentioned earlier. Yes. Storm of Spoilers covering Dino Truck Season 2. And Troll Hunters.

And Troll Hunters. Rolling out. Trolling out. Trolling out. I swear to God, when Troll Hunters was announced, the logline was like, a bunch of kids find something weird in their neighborhood. And I was like, is it trolls? What do you think that's going to be?

Do you have them? I'm just curious. They find them. They make a mysterious discovery in their town. Uh-huh. Trolls? It's a real mystery box show, that one. It's a head scratcher.

It's a finger. I can't believe that show and the Trolls movie are both made by DreamWorks but aren't the same franchise. They're not. I'd love it if Troll Hunters It would be funny if Troll Hunters is like a dark version of Trolls. A serious minded version where the adults are the heroes trying to kill those dumb little things. No offense to Richard Lawson who of course

is the father of Trolls. Thank you for being here Rojo. Please remember to rate, review, subscribe our podcast. As always, next week, we'll be talking about Spielberg's second two for two of 2002 movie, Catch Me If You Can. That's the namesake of our podcast. That's right. So stay tuned for that.

Cool. And as always. Please do. Really, seriously, it would be lovely if you did that. And as always, please do really seriously. It would be lovely if you did that. And as always, seriously, if any kid can tell me what's up with this group thing, I need to figure out who this group guy is. Yeah.

Thank you. Yeah. Well, I just stole a bunch of screeners from the office, so I am looking forward to seeing a monster monster calls. I still haven't seen Hell or High Water. So that's on my list. Yeah, you loved it? I love that movie. I feel like now everyone who's catching up with it is like, what? It's fine.

Well, my dad loved it. It's a dad movie. My dad's kind of an Ike Perlmutter. He's a Trump voter. I know. I know. You're dead. I feel like it's sort of like a Trump voter movie.

Isn't it? Angie Han made the joke it's economic anxiety, the movie or whatever. Yeah. It's actually that though. Right. Rather than the joke of that. I think it's great. I think it's great.

I like it a lot. I do think it's a movie that benefited from no expectations. Yes. It totally took me by surprise. It hadn't played festivals. It came out in August. Also, I saw it at the Nighthawk and I ate a real nice cheese plate. Oh, never underestimate the power of the cheese plate.

It's just like a really solid American grown-up movie. Sure. It might be getting a little overhyped now. It might be overhyped. Very well-written. But isn't Bridges just doing like Rooster Cod? That's the best. Yeah, but really well.

He is really good. Really well. But he's just like bridging it up, and I feel like I've seen that, right? But isn't Jeff Bridges, in my opinion, the best? Yes. Yes, he is. And it's like, I went into it being like. My brother is mad about him.

My brother's like, come on. Like, he's just like. What's the Billy Gold Gruff thing? Yeah, right. He's chewing on a tin can. Yes, it's the same performance he's done a bunch of times. But you watch this and you're like, oh, every performance between True Grit and this, he didn't have good material.

Right. And it is like, even if you've seen it before, you're like, welcome return to him having shit to say. What's your, are we good, Ben? Yes, I've begun recording, so you can jump in when you're ready. Thank you, Benny. Yeah.

I think, I don't know, maybe you'll hate it. I think you'll like it. Remember when he was in The Giver? As someone who just met you? I think you'll like it. I'll let you guys know. When he gave that performance in The Giver? That fucking shit and The Seventh Son.

No, no. And RIPD. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of, RIPD. Actually, I do have a thought I wanted to share before we record. Okay. I'm ready. Regarding Minority Report,

this is pretty juvenile, so that's why I wanted to sort of get your approval. While watching this movie early on, I told my roommate who's watching with me instead of calling it

pre-cog or pre-crime call it pre-cum and it really changed the way I saw this movie no Ben we won't talk about that but you were recording that so you can put it after the show oh that's a good call yeah put it after the show we put whatever awful thing we do at the start of the show

that's stupid at the end of the show okay uh oh i have one other thing i need to maybe i should i'll say this on my david no this is interesting enough what are you doing oh my god let's get focused this is like the chris gethard episode where he shows paul sheer what's inside the dumpster have you seen that yeah oh and then paul sheer's like oh oh, this is important. What I have to say, you'll actually like. It'll be better later? Okay. This has been a UCB Comedy Production. Check out our other shows on the UCB Comedy Podcast Network.