Blank Check with Griffin & David - Pee-wee's Big Adventure

Episode Date: December 9, 2018

This week Griffin and David begin a new mini-series on the films of Tim Burton! Together they discuss the origins of the character Pee-wee and Burton's background in animation and being a goth boy from Burbank, California. This episode is sponsored by: [Brooklinen](https://brooklinen.com) CODE: CHECK, [Talkspace](https://talkspace.com/check) and [We Hate Moves](http://www.whmpodcast.com/) podcast.

On this very night, ten years ago, along this same stretch of road in a dense fog just like this, I saw the worst accident I ever seen. There was the sound like a garbage truck dropped off the Empire State Building. And when they finally pulled the driver's body from the twisted, burning wreck, it looked like this. from the twisted burning wreck. It looked like this. Ah! Yes, sir. The worst podcast I've ever seen.

That's right. This is, in fact, the worst podcast you've ever seen. Hello, everybody. My name. Hello, everybody. My name. Hello, everybody. My name is Griffin Newman. Hi, I'm David Sims.

Is this microphone different, Ben? What do you mean? I don't know. It feels different on my nose. It's a different mic. Yeah. I have David Sims. Is this microphone different, Ben? What do you mean? I don't know. It feels different on my nose. It's a different mic. Yeah. I have your mic. Oh, weird.

All right, cool. And David also took your chair today. He did. Oh, by accident. I didn't mean to do any of this. It's the nice chair for the engineer. It's less spongy. Yeah.

Because I kind of almost rest my nose on the mic, which is a little gross, I guess. Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. Why do you think he had to replace the mic? No, he's got... Mike was lousy with boogers. All right. What a great start to our new miniseries.

Hey. Ba-ba! All right. Here's the parade. Oh, my God, a marching band. New miniseries. New miniseries. Baton twirlers. Confetti cannons.

Fireworks. Oh my god, it's the blank check mascot. Oh, it's Blankie. Hello, everybody. I forgot about that. It's me, Blankie, or Checkie. This is new. We have a mascot now.

It's me, Checkie. Hey, Checkie. How are you mascot now. It's me, Chucky. Hey, Chucky. How are you? Welcome. I am here to officially- We've never done this bit before, right? Chris in a new miniseries. What does he look like, Griffin?

He's a little angry Chuck. He's got a director's megaphone. Oh, yeah. Right. Yes. Perfect. Hello. Hello, boys.

Yeah, it has to be Chucky. Oh, Chucky has taken out a giant sword, and he is tapping it on our shoulders. Guys, kneel. Take a knee. Okay. All right. I hereby christen the beginning of a new miniseries. How much are we paying this guy?

That's 15% of ad revenue. What the hell? Was I not here for this negotiation? Let Podword Scissor Cast commence. There you go. That's you go that's right that's right as as checky says so goes the nation in four months baby and checky has left the studio he will be on every episode from here on out he definitely won't be we've already recorded some checky's big and we already paid joe bowen to design checky that's true yes we've had we've been sitting on the design for a while we We're building a media empire, baby.

My name is Griffin Newman. I already said it four times, but I'm going to say it a fifth. This is Blank Check with Griffin and David, a podcast about Checky, a lovable new mascot who's sweeping the nation. No, it's not what it's about. It's about filmographies. Directors who have massive success early on in their career, given a series of blank checks, make whatever crazy passion projects they want.

Sometimes those checks clear, and sometimes they bounce, baby. Just like Checky, buy your Checky rubber bouncing balls. Okay. Available now at Toys R Us. I swear to God, go to any Toys R Us location,

and you're going to find they're filled with Checky merchandise. And if your Toys R Us is closed, I don't know what to tell you. Bad luck. to find they're filled with checky merchandise and if your toys r us is closed i don't know what to tell you bad luck um this is a miniseries i've been pushing for for a long time yeah you had shown a lot of resistance disinterest that's how i would put it right uh you know i think you categorize it as some griffin bullshit i think i saw the threat of Griffin Bullshit. Where this would go. Right. And your complaint was always, it's going to be. This is my actual complaint.

Eight or nine movies we both like. Yeah. And then the second half of the miniseries is me going to be saying. It'll be you being like, well. Actually. And me being like, I didn't think it was very good. Making half-hearted defenses. I didn't like it.

It's actually kind of interesting. But this is, we're starting in the golden era because this guy hits the ground running. He does. And kind of takes Hollywood by storm in a way that I would argue is a little unprecedented. I would argue he's sort of a very unique phenomenon in Hollywood in that he is a comedy director.

I think people lose track of that as time goes on because he gets a little lost from the plot. Well, also he made a superhero movie early, which, you know, sort of like different genre. But he's a comedy director who comes out of animation and has a very, very distinctive style. True. And immediately is successful. Is making very personal esoteric films on a big studio level and they work in their commercial.

And he is that weird phenomenon where he's this weird bouillabaisse of all his cultural influences growing up. A lot of weird, pulpy, trashy stuff. Sure. And he made these things very mainstream even though people didn't have the reference base for the stuff that he grew up on.

Yeah, okay. Which I think that he grew up on. Yeah. Okay. Which I think is like a weird phenomenon. Sure. And you compare him within the realm of directors like this to someone like Edgar Wright where it took like five movies for one of his films to be successful. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I guess so.

The fact that Burton like hit so quickly. This was like a big cult surprise success. In terms of our blank check arc, you are correct. Yes. He got a blank check fast. And everyone kind of went like, oh, I get this thing, this Tim Burton thing. He's a guy I grew up idolizing.

He's my favorite director. And I've said, I think, in previous miniseries. He's still your favorite director? He was my favorite director for a very long time. I said in previous miniseries, I's still your favorite director? He was my favorite director for a very long time. I said in previous miniseries, I think for a lot of people of our generation, people grew up with Tim Burton because he's like. He's one of the first directors you recognize.

He's a starter kit auteur where you're like, I get that these movies are all made by one person. It really is that for our generation. In terms of theme, in terms of aesthetics, in terms of sensibility, tone, you know, all of that sort of stuff. And he comes from a background that I'm obviously fascinated by,

which is that he was a CalArts animation guy. Uh-huh. Can you say his name? His name is Timothy Burton. Timothy Walter Burton. The miniseries is called Podward Scissorcast, and buckle in, because we're doing all Buckle in because he made a lot of movies. Now we're not

doing the animated movies on the main feed. Winky winky. Right. Winky winky. That's all I'll say about that I guess. Winky winky. It'll be December Ben. We'll be Yeah. Okay. Ben is reluctantly nodding his head.

Tim Burton. You know we often try to give like some background on where these directors came from before they got big. But the thing with Tim Burton is, I think everyone knows what Tim Burton's backstory is because it's what you extrapolate from watching his movies. I don't know his backstory except, as you say, right. When it is described to me, I'm like, oh yeah, that makes sense. He grew up in Burbank. Yeah, from California. So his parents couldn't connect too. He was a weird, dark kid.

Sure. he was obsessed with TV and like stop motion little animations made a lot of monster movies in his backyard

made a lot of stop motion my girlfriend Humblebrag was saying Humblebrag no I said it first was saying

how many short films she was surprised he had made because he has like 20 short film credits on IMDB but he was like a teenager

people have listed every like film he made as a kid because i knew all those fucking titles because i've read every book on him it's similar to spielberg because you know spielberg as a kid teen would make those super 8 movies and people will like talk about them as a real thing the difference is that like spielberg and those movie brats grew up on like the sort of the school of cinema of like high art cinema and they talk about like they got into world cinema at a young age

but they also were studying Hitchcock and they were studying Howard Hopps and John Ford Orson Welles and Tim Burton was just like Tim Burton is like

sort of like 10 maybe 12 years younger than Spielberg so right there's like a decade removed there so he's like the start of the generation

of the people growing up on the movies made by the movie brats to some degree before that though he has television that's a huge very big presence in his house probably less so with spielberg as a kid i'm sure he's gonna watch tv but it was like very early tv with tv you get an onslaught of non-curated media because here's a ton of shit yeah and he is by all accounts like an omnivore and it's like he's watching martial arts films and he's watching monster movies and he's watching roger cormansley's

you know genre pictures and he's watching blaxploitation films and he's watching old sitcoms and he sort of feels like a guy who isn't a student of film as much as he's like a student of pop culture right because you watch like peewee's Big Adventure and like this is a movie about like pop culture. Sure. You know? Like he's just synthesized all of these things into his being and all his weird hangups and his aesthetic obsessions and all of that.

Makes all these films in his backyard. Is a really good visual artist and goes to CalArts to become an animator. And is contemporaries with all the Pixar guys. Is classmates. I mean there's a class photo you can find to become an animator and is contemporaries with all the Pixar guys. His classmates, I mean, there's a class photo you can find

of the A113 class where he's there with Brad Bird and John Lasseter putting his hands on everyone's legs and Musker and Clemens and all these guys,

right? Sure. And they all pretty much go to Disney because at that point, CalArts is just a pipeline for Disney. There are very few

other places animators can get hired. Right, where else you can animate. Right. Hanna-Barbera is kind of like dwindling. If you're doing like real serious feature animation, Disney's pretty much your one-stop shopping.

Right. But this is the nadir of Disney animation. The period of time where Brad Bird is so angry about how shitty Disney is that he gets himself fired because he was so difficult. He worked on like Fox and the Hound, Black Cauldron. Right. Apparently he worked on Tron.

Yes. But it was all concept art that wouldn't make it into the movie. Or he would do like in-betweening, like he would animate like a shot or two. Because all those CalArts guys, they have their distinctive style, but you also learn how to like

just replicate whatever the thing is. So there's like a shot or two that I think he did in Fox and the Hound and they were like, this guy's too fucking, he can't make the normal shots. You know? One could say they were too twisted.

I was actually going to say, like, he is almost a parody of that. It's like, you know, Brad Bird draws a person, right? And it's like a regular person. And then Tim Burton starts drawing and you hear a weird little piano. It's little piano and the person has big eyes

or skull head it takes him 5 seconds to draw the head but he spends 2 hours drawing the circles around the eyes every Tim Burton drawing looks sort of traumatized and he was able to do it but they were just kind of like this guy's interesting, he's clearly a good

artist, he's got a unique sensibility. He's not fitting in with this. So they were like, Dark Cauldron, that was like Disney's attempt at doing like, Black Cauldron, sorry, doing like a darker fantasy sort of monster movie. And they were like, this is, okay, he's going to fit into this. He'll do monster designs for us. And then they were like, too twisted, too twisted.

We don't know what to do with him. So after a little while, because it was just like, you get all the animators there. It's not like they're going to fire him and let him go somewhere else. There's not a DreamWorks or something to go to. They were like, we're just going to give you money, make something. Okay. So they knew he was talented. They did. And at that point, even when Disney was at like a low point, it still was kind of a talent incubator to develop voices, right? He was pitching them features. He was coming up with concepts. They were like, we can't make this. We can't make this. Nightmare Before Christmas

was one of them at that point in time. So they give him a little money to make a short film called Vincent, which is phenomenal. You can find it on YouTube. It's like three minutes long, right? It's a little thing. It's so good. And it's just like, it is the ultimate urtext. It is

black and white. Throughout like a little boy who lives in Burbank. Right. And his life is totally normal. He lives in a very sweet place with nice parents and he can't stop fantasizing about being in a gothic horror film. Right. He wants to be Vincent Price. He's like crying over his dead wife and his mom keeps on interrupting

him telling him to take out the garbage. Funny. It's so visually striking. It's like very influenced by German expressionist films it's dark black and white it's these insane angles and these amazing transitions the transitions from reality to fantasy are great and that sort of puts them on the map and they go oh this guy's a really good director put aside his artistic sensibility and all of that this is like got a really good visual language to it and i think a big thing with tim

burton is because he comes out of animation and because with animation student films they're very often non-sync sound because it's very hard to do at a student film level okay if you're in a live action film school you can make a short film with a bunch of dialogue even with 16 millimeter super 16 or whatever right right but in animation because it's so hard to do, you maybe get one line of dialogue and a little bit of sound effects. You really learn visual storytelling, shot sequencing.

You can't rely on dialogue. Right. Right? And for a guy who's as stylish as he is, especially with these early films, he's not manic. There's a very sort of deliberate shot sequencing and structure to these scenes.

He understands the comedy of gesture and language and all of that. Right? So Disney's so impressed with that that they give him some money to make a live action short film. They're still in this thing of every year they'll re-release one of the old Disney films from the vault because VHS is still pretty nascent. Right?

So Pinocchio's back on the big screen. So they need a short film. They're re-releasing Pinocchio. All those movies are like an hour long. They are. Right. So they were like, let's give him some money to make a short film. And he makes Frankenweenie. And they look at it.

It stars Shelley Duvall and Daniel Stern. It slaps so fucking hard. Fucks and slaps, huh? And they're like, this is too twisted. Twisted. So they pull it. It's kind of long too, right? It's like half an hour.

It's like half an hour? Yeah. Yeah, but it's also exquisite. Just an excellent film and they're like, oh, this guy's got some facility with live action. You're exquisite.

I was getting a follow-up. Thank you. I much appreciate it. Can you get me one as well? I'm getting parched. Sucking timber instead. I need to salivate. So they don't release this film.

But in this early era of like, here, we got the VHS tape and it makes the rounds, it starts traveling around Hollywood. Okay. And people are really impressed by this tape. So he starts getting thrown into all these meetings. And he gets offered

and then hired to direct the film After Hours. Yeah, I knew that. The film that Scorsese made. Yes. That's supposed to be his debut film. Right.

I like that movie. That movie rules. And I actually haven't gotten to see the whole thing. I just like randomly caught it late night on like HBO or something. Your pal, your pal Griffin.

Griffin Dunn. My namesake. Right. Not really. But he's a friend. Hopefully I'll have him on the podcast someday. But love that movie.

I think it's one of the best New York movies ever made. Wouldn't say it's objectively the best. It is definitely my favorite Scorsese movie. It's also a decent punk movie. Yes, I agree. It's an amazing solo movie. It's so good. But Griffin Dunn was producing his own films at that time.

And he had the meeting with him. He said Tim Burton came in he built a model and showed how he was gonna build all the sets with these like forced perspective and everything

he was like 100% on board with it they were doing the film they were like prepping it you know not an act of pre-production but like you know development and everything

I think starting to assemble like you know their key crew Scorsese was burned post Last Temptation of Christ and was like, I need to get back on the horse. I need to make a movie. I need to make something small. Just make something.

Get it out of my system. And that script, he got wind of, and he was like, I would love to make this. And Griffin Dunn was- Well, you got it flopped around. He hasn't done Last Temptation. Oh, he's trying to get it made. He's so stressed out.

Last Temptation is the late 80s. He was stressed out trying to get that movie made. He was in like year three. Paramount had canceled it, I think. So he was like, like you say, I need to make something. He reads the script. Griffin Dunn was like, hey, look, you know, I'm blown away. I'm touched.

But we got this guy, Tim Burton. And Tim Burton goes, I'll step aside. If Scorsese wants to make the movie, I'll make it. But I think that also gives him even more mythology around him so now we go to the parallel track which is Paul Rubens yep Paul Rubens is a Groundlings guy yep he's in the same class as Jan Hooks as Phil Hartman these guys who are in they're in this movie John Paragon these people who end up on PBS Playhouse as well and Groundlingslings is like, what is it, how is it related to IO and Second City and stuff? Groundlings

was the West Coast equivalent of Second City. It was started by Lorraine Newman. Sure. Not her solely, but she was in the original group. It was an LA sketch comedy. Gary Austin, I believe, was the founder. And it becomes like IO and Second City in Chicago, later Austin I believe was theater and it becomes like you know IO

and Second City in Chicago later UCB in New York the LA incubator and then these people had trained under Del Close and half of half of the I don't think they weren't Del Close they weren't okay no I don't know who their guru was well it's this guy Gary Austin from the committee like

the famous San Francisco guy yeah yeah yeah. And half of them are plucked for the original SNL cast. It's the Groundlings. Come on, people know the Groundlings. So it becomes one of those places like Second City where if Lorne Michaels is scouting for talent, he's going to the Groundlings once a year to see who their best people are.

And when the 1979 season of SNL is wrapping up, Lorne Michaels is stepping away. Jean Domanian is taking over. They're going to put together the 1980 cast. Paul Rubens is heavily in contention. Goes through all the auditions, goes through the tests, is the last guy cut, doesn't make it. And he is, like, really burned and bitter about the whole thing.

And he told this story. He was on Comedy Bang Bang, and he was great, talking about the origins of Pee Wee Herman. Look up that episode. I'm sure it's behind 17 paywalls. It's on Stitcher or whatever, right? I don't know. It's on Howl.fm.

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getting the call that he didn't make the cut. At that point, you go 1980 SNL, everyone who's been on SNL permeated the culture in such a gross way that you're just like, everyone who's on the cast of SNL is going to be humongous. And then, of course, that's the doomed season where, like, they fire everyone other than

Eddie Murphy and Joe Piscopo. And Eddie Murphy saves the show from being canceled. Right. Everyone gets fired. Yeah. Gilbert Gottfried.

Yeah. Denny Gordon. Keep going. I don't know how many. Matthias. What was her name? Julia Louise. She comes in after that.

Oh. When they go to what was they were called the uh the gap or they're called ann risley yeah uh julie louis dreyfus benny dylan i said oh i said denny gordon who's the director it doesn't matter whatever who cares who gives a shit who could possibly care about this so paul rubens is like fuck it i don't need snl i'm gonna make my own luck yeah. And they

were doing a groundling show where the bit was the worst stand-up comedians. Yes. And he creates this character who's this weird guy who's trying to be a stand-up and obviously sucks at it. Right. That's the joke. Right. But he comes up with the visual look, with the voice, and with a couple of

catchphrases. I know where you are, but where am I? That sort of thing. But what's interesting about Huey Herman is there is no game inherent to him. No. Unlike most sketch characters. That's almost what's so baffling about him if you've never seen him before. You're like, what's the bit with this?

What's the joke? He's not making fun of a type of person we know because there's no one like him. No, not really. There's no game inherent to him. And even you go like Wayne's World, which is like the other most successful sketch to movie adaptation, right? I'd say Wayne's World, Pee Wee kind of counts as a sketch thing and Blues Brothers.

Blues Brothers is like, okay, there's an art form central to this. It's performance. The Blues Brothers never spoke in their sketch. it's easy to build a movie around that Wayne's World what's great about them is the characters are a circumstance it's a type of person because it's based in reality you can write the human versions of them it's an environment it's not like making a Stefan movie where like how is he going to have any dialogue that isn't him listing things yeah you know Stefan is so big no I get. Pee-wee is just like, who the fuck is this guy?

But it kills at this one groundling show, and he decides, I'm going to build a Pee-wee Herman show. I'm going to do like an old 50s style TV show as a live groundling stage show as Pee-wee Herman. It'll be like a Howdy Doody kind of thing. And so he

makes something called the Pee-wee Herman show, which blows up. It'll be like a Howdy Doody kind of thing. And so he makes something called the Pee Wee Herman show. Right. Which blows up. It was on HBO. Well, that happens like... Like the early days of HBO. Right. They do it at the ground links.

It blows up. It becomes a phenomenon. They move it to the Roxy Theater. It does an extended run. HBO films it, airs it, like one of their HBO comedy specials.

Yeah. That's huge. And then Pee Wee just becomes a public figure. Pee-wee starts going on Letterman. He was in a Cheech and Chong movie? Yes. But it's like as Pee-wee.

It's not Paul Rubens. He didn't do an interview as Paul Rubens until Mystery Men. Correct. Which is insane. But I think it also ruined his life in a weird way. I think it's a complicated issue. Yeah, I think it ruined his life. But he clearly loves the character.

I mean, he brought it back for his whole wave and everything. I know, but he's, yeah. Yes. Well, it becomes hard to, people thought that was his real name. It became one of those things like Bobcat Goldthwait or like you know where it's like where is the separation here okay so apparently my impression of someone sounds like bobcat goldthwait now i can't remember who everyone was tweeting this fuck it was in the holiday episode wasn't it oh they said you're like wallach sounded like my day is that what i don't know what bobcat sounds like it's a venom oh venom it's my venom see i don't know what Bobcat sounds like. It's a venom. Oh, venom. It's my venom. See, I don't really remember what I was doing.

Some pains, some pains. Yeah, that sounds like Bob. Okay. Um, I'm trying to find this letterman. What me as venom,

but it sounds like Bobcat. That's the character where I'm like, now I'll do venom and I do it. And then I'm like, so who's that sound like? And the audience is like, Bobcat Goldthwait! Oh yeah, you gotta do call and response.

I'm trying to find this. Oh, this is the Letterman quote. Because Letterman at this time would find a lot of oddball people. Right, because Letterman's right at the start of his... And this became like an oddball character. And David Letterman said, what makes me laugh about peewee herman is that it has the external structure of a bratty little precocious kid but you know it's being controlled

by the incubus the manifestation of evil itself i've seen that quote it's very funny i was like that's the best distillation i've heard of the peewee herman thing the closest thing to what he's referencing culturally is just a little boy who's very amused with himself sure like peewee herman is kind of problem child he's a little stinker but in the body of an adult right but then why is it different and this is a crucial question for blank check from clifford yes what makes peewee herman work and clifford like you is sort of unspeakable in terms of like cultural yeah i don't even mean that in terms of like you can't stand Clifford, which obviously is part of the point.

Not everyone can't stand Clifford. I love Clifford. I know you love Clifford. Whereas Pee-wee, you're not really mad at Pee-wee. No, Pee-wee walks a tightrope, and watching it now... I mean, obviously he's not malevolent, really. But he does feel evil.

That's the weird thing. He doesn't feel evil to me. I love the Letterman quote, but he doesn't feel evil. I think he feels a little evil to me. I think I read that and I realized, oh, that's the weird thing. I mean, he doesn't feel evil to me. I love the Letterman quote. I think he feels a little evil to me. I think I read that and I realized like, Oh, that's the weird edge the character has. He doesn't,

he doesn't feel evil, behave poorly, but he is kind of a little stinker. I do think there's a sinister edge to him in a way where it's like the little kid where you're like, don't touch that. Don't touch that. And the kid's giving you the sly grin.

But, but like he's, he's very delightful. You know, and this movie is very delightful. His enthusiasm is infectious. The other thing that works so well in this movie, and I think this is what happened culturally with Hugh Herman, is that everyone just loves him. Yeah.

It's the look. It's something about the look that draws you in. It should be fucking creepy. It should, but it's just like... the rosy cheeks and shaved like six times a little uh bow tie and the the in the pb herman show which is like a lot bodier sure it's more sexual it's a parody of like it's like this is a sinister sort of like gen x version of that's the thing though right right that's initially what it is of a weird asexual children's thing right and then tim burton who is a warped gen x guy takes it but then he turns it

into this sort of like thing that can appeal to children which is but also like college kids right but that's that's crazy it makes no sense and even you go like when people like do like oh i do a good peewee herman impression it's like in order to do a good Pee Wee Herman impression, you need to do three impressions well because he has three different voices he switches between. He does. Like, that's what's crazy about how inconsistent the character is. Like, he's got like the nasally one and he's got the one that's like, you know. Right, and he switches between them with no real reason. Right.

Like, it's just sort of how he talks. Yeah. He's funny. Why is he so funny? But it like doesn't, and i was just trying to like watch the movie last night trying to make sense of this because like pb herman is so foundational to me in terms of everything i find funny all the different mediums he worked in and i was watching this and i was like what is the thing i connect with here so what was i connecting with when i

was five what am i connecting with now i don don't understand. She just hit on something. With my girlfriend, Humblebrag, who has no, like, concept of this person. Like, she had heard the name Pee Wee Herman, and she had heard that there was later

a scandal involving the actor who played Pee Wee Herman that had sort of soured him in the brain of the people. I don't know.

Right. And we're watching it, and I'm so delighted by the movie, but I really can't explain. No. Like, I really can't explain. No. Like, I really can't be like, but you see? Because, like, you see, this is what he's getting at.

I can't say that. Now, Mr. Bean. Yes. A character that is very similar. But Mr. Bean. In a few different ways. He has slapstick. Like, he is the classic clown.

Right. That's like, he's like Monsieur Hulot or whatever. He has sort of a game. It's like, this is how Beanlo or whatever like he has sort of a game it's like this is how bean is gonna react to things like you see him with a turk and you're like how is he gonna fuck this up you know like that's the bit you know what's funny is when he draws the little face on the thing so funny but he also is just odd that's yes he is you're right you're right mr bean is not like a person it's not like you're like, oh, everyone knows a Mr. Bean type.

Right. But I think the difference with Pee-wee is that Pee-wee isn't clean like that. Bean is so laser focused on this is the type of weirdo he is. Even if no one's like this, it's all consistent behavior. He's going to fuck up in relation to anything he comes across. Right. And Pee-wee is like sometimes very high status, sometimes very low status.

Everyone accepts him. You know, like in this movie, the way they world build around Pee-wee, and it's there are two other Pee-wee movies and neither of them totally work. So I've never seen Big Top Pee-wee or the more recent one. Neither one is bad, but they just kind of don't

they're a little laden and it makes you realize what a precise pitch this thing is because like big top peewee is directed by uh what's his name ronald kessler yeah randall kessler right who was the director of greece and yeah and it's a little too grounded right he joins the circus it has ridiculous creatures but it's a little too Kleiser no no I'm sorry and then the third one Pee Wee's Holiday which is the recent one

for Netflix was directed by the guy who directed most of Wonder Shows and directs a lot of comedy TV and it's a little too weird right but that that was sort of

doomed by it's made by people who love Pee Wee yes like you know it's like Paul Rusko wrote it with him and Apatow produced it

because he loved it and they're just like we love do another thing do it yes please like know it's like um paul ross with him and like how produced it because he loved and they're just like we love do another like do it yes please like bring it back because throughout the 90s and 2000s he had said he was working on two other scripts and he wanted to make a third movie and the two scripts were one of them was peewee's playhouse the movie he wanted to make an adaptation of the tv show that was like a road trip movie with jambi and Globi and, you know, Terry and all the great characters, right? Magic Screen, Konky, Need I Go On. And then the third one was the Pee Wee Herman story, which I think was a really fun idea, which was he was going to make the serious biopic of Pee Wee Herman's Rise to Power.

He was going to play Pee Wee Herman, but it was going to be like, here's the real story. Sure. Of how he made it. Both movies sounded too weird to ever get made but those were the films he really wanted to make. And then Judd Apatow was like, can you make another just like Pee-wee's Big Adventure? Right. Judd Apatow

quite possibly sort of saw like, oh, those things might not go over, especially since it's been a while since we've had Pee-wee. But he was having this resurgence. He started doing talk shows again. They brought back the show. They did it on Broadway. He was appearing on TV a lot.

He did SNL. That's the weirdest thing. You know, he hosted SNL in like 85, 86 as Pee-wee Herman. And every sketch was like Pee-wee Herman in a different environment. It's not like he's playing Pee-wee playing characters. It was like, this sketch is Pee-wee in jail. So weird. So weird. Like, it's not like he's playing Pee-Wee playing characters. It was like, this sketch is Pee-Wee in jail. Such a weird character.

So weird. You know, I love Comedy Bang Bang, the show, which was obviously so heavily indebted, as I'm sure Scott Ackerman has said, to Pee-Wee's Playhouse and to Pee-Wee in general. And he's someone who also does that thing where you're like, what is this? Am I on his side?

I guess so. Sometimes he's playing the fool, but sometimes he's the asshole. Yeah. It's weird. It's hard to pin down, but I think it's a similar kind of vibe thing. But Burton builds this perfect world around him. I mean, the story just is,

Warner Brothers saw the peewee thing catching on. This was a time where people still took flyers on things. I think especially post-Chi Chin Chong, it was like, you don't know where a comedy sensation is going to come from. The Letterman appearances were really big. He was so visually distinctive.

But it is still so weird to think about this guy's career arc as like improv guy does a special does a movie does a children's TV show

like you know what I mean and like that's the arc up. Well and it's also he does the movie he does a children's TV show, then does the second movie, which takes place in its own reality. Like,

every Pee Wee thing exists in its own, like, it's like the Madagascar franchise. But, where are you? If I could, just really quick, I did not watch Pee Wee's Playhouse.

Oh, I loved the movie, but I didn't grow up watching that. I was a little too old, or too young for it, or whatever. Yeah, I did miss it.

But, you know who was my dude? for it or whatever. Yeah, they missed me. But you know who was my dude? Who? Ernest. Yes, Ernest is kind of a similar phenomenon

to Pee Wee. Hard. J.D. Amato, of course. J.D. Amato, the world's number one leading Ernest scholar. I didn't know that.

Oh, he goes hard on Ernest. Jim Varney. I'm going to email J.D. about Ernest. He's constantly asking us when we're going to do a Don Cherry miniseries.

That's his name, right? John Cherry, I believe. John Cherry. Don Cherry, I think, is a hockey announcer. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, I don't know much about Ernest. Like, I used to go to the video store, and I would see them all lined up and be like, what are these?

Ernest was a local TV commercial character who did a lot of local TV commercials. They got big, then it became national commercials. Then they did a few like video specials and then he became theatrical movies. But he had already had a Saturday morning cartoon show. There was a more natural sort of build to Ernest in a way, but it's a similar thing where it was like he was Ernest. Like Ernest was the thing. But Warner Brothers just goes, yeah, Pee Wee, make a movie. He brings on Phil Hartman, his buddy from the Groundlings. His original pitch was, I want to remake Pollyanna.

Yeah, I know. That's crazy. His idea was, let's just do other movies and have them star Pee-wee Herman. And he's apparently obsessed with Pollyanna.

You know, Paul Reuben's very into kitschy shit. Yeah. And at some point, he said they were on the Warner Brothers lot. They were letting him start

to develop the Pollyanna movie. He saw everyone on their bicycles. This is so fucking stupid. It is hilarious, right? It's like Warner Brothers is like, okay, you can remake Pollyanna. And then he sees people on bicycles. He's like, what if I did like a thing about a bicycle? And they were like, sure, fine.

You want to do a bicycle movie now? But the beauty of the film is just how fucking simple the concept is. Well, I agree. I think the Pollyanna remake is a bad idea. What he came up with is much smarter, which is like, do a sort of sketchy movie, like, you know, vignettes. But you got one driving force. The guy

has to find his bike. And I believe that Pee-wee's upset about losing his bike, whereas I might be freaked out if Pee-wee's upset about a more complicated thing. Yes. Like, I might not get that. The bike feels like the right thing for him and this movie a thing I think it kills really hard is they really sell the stakes of how much

the bike means to peewee. Right. Where even in the grand scheme of things you're like it's a bike for this character and his world view you're like this is the ultimate challenge and it's just a good sort of superstructure to hang the hat on. He said they bought like Sid Field's screenwriting book because they had never read a screenplay before and they were just like okay here's the premise he's got to find the bike on. He said they bought like Sid Field's screenwriting book because they had never read a screenplay before

and they were just like, okay, here's the premise. He's got to find the bike and they just followed it to the T. Like page 30, he loses it. Right.

Page 60, he finds out where it is. You know, page 90, you end. It's three-act structure, 30 pages per act, like to the T,

that's what they did and they bring on Burton because he liked Frank and Weenie and they make a movie that fucks he sees Frank and Weenie and probably thinks

like right this guy is this is a match in the same zone that I'm playing the same references the same sort of pitch of humor

and they make this movie and it's it's inexplicably wonderful right it's just like an inside joke that everyone gets right like this movie should be at best a curio yes you know where you're like oh it's just like an inside joke that everyone gets. Right, like this movie should be, at best,

a curio. Yes. You know, where you're like, oh, it's Tim Burton's first movie and look, he's got some visual ideas here and Paul Reubens is doing his thing. But instead, it's like a very good film. And it launches both of them to massive success. It does. Of course, Reubens, his career is shorter.

But he has six big years after this. Yeah, he does. Right, from 85, and then he jerks off in 91. Yep. Which, it's kind of crazy to think he didn't jerk off for six full years. I mean, no wonder he had to burst

at the theater. This is what I'm saying, it's like, he was, it was, the shock of that was, people could not handle that he was a person.

No. With, like, sexual agency. That's what kind of killed him. And also, And they couldn't handle that he was, like, Paul Rubens. It was the mugshot. The mugshot was terrible. He looked like a scumbag. He looks what kind of killed him. And also, and they couldn't handle that he was like Paul Rubens. It was the mugshot

where he like, The mugshot was terrible. He looked like a scumbag. He looks like a scumbag. And then, even though all he was doing was jerking off to porn, which like,

you know. Can you think about how, I just had that moment watching the movie thinking about the scandal, just going like, that's so crazy that we as a society,

because computers didn't exist, we're like, okay, you have to go to a theater to watch porn and just don't masturbate wink wink right i'm just gonna sit in a room with strangers in a dark theater and watch porn and then just try to keep it in my mind and then go home to my bathroom right i mean whatever you're right that's insane it's a weird structure sure and then peewee uh you know

but yeah but it was just right and then you go back-wee, you know, but yeah, but it was just right. And then you go back to watching the show and you're like, oh, he's creepy. Like, I guess, was the arc

that the country went through in 1991. It doesn't matter. Especially because the character is kind of asexual, pointedly in this movie. He's like, revulsed every time

Dottie tries to go on a date with him. Paul Rubens has said that originally, like, in the special, in the Pee-wee Herman show, Dottie is cool though.

Dottie rules. Dottie's awesome. Voiced by, played by E.G. Daly. Played by E.G. Daly, who's the voice of Tommy Pickles on Rush. And she sounds like Tommy. Yeah. In this movie, she sounds like Tommy.

You're like, it's Tommy. Baby's got to do it. Baby's got to do it. Right. But he, you know, in the Pee Wee Herman show, he refers to himself as the luckiest boy in the world. Because I think at that point, it was like, well, we're adults. We're doing a sketch show.

I can pretend he's actually a child. Right. At a certain point, he decides thatee-wee's an adult. Right. But he's sort of like a weird man child. Everyone in this movie is either a child or an adult, even though they're all adults. Yes. Like there's like the guy in the pool.

I can never remember any of their names. Francis is a child. He's like a child man. Right. Whereas like Simone is like a woman. Right. And Dottie is kind of a child. Yes.

And then the convict, you know. What's his name? Why am I forgetting? Mickey now. Mickey. Mickey is kind of a man. Right, these are the people who are hardened. But you have the people who are adults are burned by the world.

It weighs heavy on them. And then you have Francis and Dottie. It's one of those things like, it's a big world out there. These people have lost. They've loved and lost. Sure. And, like, Pee Wee and Dottie and Francis exist in, like, day glow bubbles, like, surrounded by cereal and dogs and shit. Right.

Well, the movie begins so, it's so aggressive. Even just from, like, black title screen and the Elfman score starts. And the Elfman score sounds like anarchy. Right. This is, like, I think his first film score. It is, because it was just the Tim Burton-liked Oingo Boingo. Right. It was this, and then he does Back to School. It'sarchy. Right. This is like, I think his first film score. It is, because it was just the Tim Burton like to oingo boingo. Right, it was this and then he does Back to School. It's true.

Yes. And the thing that like made Elfman so exciting at this time period was like, he knew how to write a character theme better than anyone else. Where you're like, this is the musical expression of Pee Wee Herman. It's not that this is the score for Pee Wee's Big Adventure. This is what Pee Wee Herman sounds like. And that this is the score for Pee Wee's Big Adventure. This is what Pee Wee Herman sounds like. And that like, like it's so

chaotic. I remember watching this as a child when like the Rube Goldberg is making the breakfast and the music was so alarming. I was like, what's about to go wrong? Like I couldn't imagine that the breakfast would be successfully executed because I was like, the house is going to catch on fire. It's like a pancake face. Yes.

What do you think Ben? I love Rube Goldberg machines. His dog's back. The dog's great. I've always wanted one of those. This movie just launches you straight into the deep end of madness. But that's the thing and Joanna's just going like

what the fuck is this? What's the thing? I don't get it. What is this? Because he does the tape face and she's and they're like oh is is what's why do you do that i'm like i don't know he just he just does this shit i remember like i keep on going back to this as a reference point because i think it is like the best sort of like you know counterpoint the opposite end of how you do this thing of wayne's world which is like totally ground this thing i remember showing that to romilly when she was young wayne's world yeah and she was like so what's the thing here right and i was like okay so like in the 90s like the genre of music this is what these guys acted like i could explain it

right yeah yeah and in wayne's world it begins with wayne being like so i'm wayne and i host a tv show in my basement and you're like yeah right like in the sketch i get it he's got dreams he's a normal i'm like a real person and we host the show and we're some weird guys and that's the movies about that. We're going to try and make the show for real. Right. Pee Wee Herman is like, I'm a fucking lunatic. I live in like a cartoon house in a cartoon town.

I have no job. I have no job. God knows how any of this works. I wrap tape around my face in the morning and scream. Like. I'd wrap tape around my face in the morning and scream. And then I'd go outside and water my lawn and the neighbor has to close the window. Everyone in town has just learned to live with my peculiarity.

Sure, go for it, you fucking maniac. And then he gets on his bike and bikes around. Loves his bike. He's got his whole security system for the bike. The bike does look rad. Yeah, it's a cool bike. And you're like, I guess it's the 50s, but not really. It's very much the 80s.

Yeah. And you're like, I guess he's a grown-up. I don't know. You don't know. I don't really know. He exists outside of time and space. But the thing I love is how everyone's pretty charmed by Pee-wee. Within his town, they're just like, we understand how to behave.

Our society runs on Pee-wee. He's this weird force of chaos that somehow is the perpetual motion machine that keeps this town running. He goes to the magic shop. It's like his usual. Spangles for you, the guy gets along with him so well, he goes to Chuck's bicycle shop. He sees Dottie Dottie is madly in love with Pee Wee

Pee Wee is revolted by the idea of ever going on a date with somebody Paul Robbins had said originally his intention was to make Pee Wee like not only

like asexual but also like agendered and he wanted to be a question Pee Wee was like an adult a child

a man a woman which is what the uh things about me you couldn't understand wouldn't understand right was like a reference to although it's not literally something he's still holding on to in this movie that idea sure because i think they make it pretty clear he is male sure i don't know but i'd rather not think about it yes right I don't want to think about him as a being that was the problem with the fucking masturbating no that's what I'm saying yeah the weird note that people I think always get wrong is that um they said like oh the show was canceled because of the scandal and he had no it already over a year earlier yeah and he was

like I'm done with peewee I hung it up. I need to like figure out what the next thing is and lay low for a little bit. And so then everyone sees this like headshot that looks totally different. Here's the story that's totally scuzzy.

And then what happened was they took the repeats off out of syndication. He was part of a Disney World ride. They pulled that. Well, and also he just vanished. He stopped doing things. Right.

He didn't really do movies again until like 99. Because when I was 12 and Mystery Men's coming out or whatever, I didn't really know much about Pee Wee Herman. I guess that had all passed me by.

And I remember reading like this big EW, probably their empire, one of those things, features about Mystery Men where like Janine Garofalo and Ben Stiller and all were like,

were like the hip, cool. Right. They're like, fucking Paul Rubens, man. We didn't know how to behave around him it's like he's such a legend he's doing a new character

for the first time in 15 years right and his character in Mystery Men is like arguably the worst of the Mystery Men he's funny but like

he's really broad whenever else is more broad he's insanely broad and it's farting yeah I mean like he farts yeah you have to understand

that. My favorite character is the Blue Raja. The Blue Raja fucking rules. Blue Raja more like Great Raja. I'm a Shoveler guy. Shoveler's cool too. Shoveler is great. I think that movie is so good. We agree on it. It's a great movie that's kind of poorly directed, but it doesn't matter. Nathan Rabin had the best line about it, which is

Mystery Men looks more like Batman and Robin than any movie should ever look, including Batman and Robin. And yet somehow in spite of that, it's still great. I like Mystery Men. I haven't seen it. The script is so good. The script is great. My parents said

when they were together before I was born and through when I was pregnant. You were pregnant? When they were pregnant with me, they were like, but I think even before that, we're like, if we ever have a kid, he's going to watch Pee Wee's Playhouse. Like my parents would apparently watch Pee Wee's Playhouse together.

Which my parents are not as infantile as I am. But they loved that show. And they were like, I hope we have a kid who watches this. So from the time I was born, which is like the tail end of him doing the show leading into the masturbation scandal, I was raised on Pee-Wee's Playhouse. So instead of playing Mozart, you were just absorbing in utero Pee-Wee?

Yeah, and this is how that turned out. As if anything has ever explained me more. My parents were just like playing the Danny Elfman theme on a fucking cassette, like a Walkman on her belly. You know that thing they used to do where it's like you put the headphones on the belly? Yeah. Anyway, I was like very much raised on Pee Wee. When the show went off the air, we had the VHS tapes that we'd rent from across the street.

I watched them over and over again. My understanding of Pee Wee was just this show. Didn't know there was a movie. was just this show. Didn't know there was a movie. Some older relative in our family, a great grandmother, a great aunt or something,

died. And I remember being three or four and we went upstate to where they were sitting Shiva. And I was like really impatient. I was like the only young kid there. And they were like, what if we like bring you upstairs and you watch a movie?

James was maybe a baby, right? Sure. And they were like, let's see what VHSs we have. And they were like, we have Pee-Wee's Big Adventure. And I was like, there's a fucking Pee-Wee movie? How did no one tell me about it? There's a goddamn Pee-Wee movie? Alright.

And they were like, it's not Pee-Wee's Playhouse. And I was like, what do you mean? I know what Pee-Wee's put it on. Put it on immediately and I'm like, what the fuck is this? Right. Where's Jombie? Where's Globie? Where's the house? Who is he? What's going on here? They were right to warn you. Weird about it. And then when it gets to the clown part, I literally

run out of the room screaming. I forgot about the clown. Terrified me. And I was like, that's not Pee-wee. Pee-wee would never do that to me. And didn't see this movie until like maybe I was 9 or 10. At which point,c family then fox family

had started replaying kiwi and i started watching it again a lot then saw this movie i was into tim burton at that point in time and uh i think it was on comedy central or something and was like this is the fucking jam now i get it i totally get it and i'd seen other burton movies but now i was like this is the one that i think made me all-consuming Burton obsessive. Right. Once I was able to string everything together. Right. So Francis is a shitty next-door neighbor. Yep.

He's funny. He wants the bicycle. He does that thing where he's like, oh, you know, regret this. He wears monogrammed jumpsuits. He's funny. As does his father. They live in a gilded house. They're the Trumps. Mark Holton is the actor. Which I got that wrong in trivia.

There was a photo and it was from Teen Wolf but I knew it was Francis. Even though in the photo he's holding a newspaper that says Teen Wolf. And you went there's a fucking wolf there. Anyway. He played Gacy in John Wayne Gacy movie. That makes a lot of sense.

Yep. It sure does. The setup of the film is just wolf there anyway yeah he played gacy and john wayne gacy movie that makes a lot of sense yep it sure does uh the setup of the film is just super fucking simple francis wants the bike yep peewee loves nothing more than his bike he's kind of mean about it which i kind of like that yeah me too he's a little stinker he's a little stinker he really is kind of like an asshole he's so rude to people so often when also in a way where you're like what the fuck are you being rude to me for you like non-person like what you don't do anything like what are you so superior about that's what's interesting is that like this movie like in terms of the effect he has on people positions pb as something of like a paddington or an intern character right who like magically

changes people's lives right except he's kind of like an asshole to everybody. He's annoying. Right, and he's very sarcastic. He's very snarky. All he cares about is his bike. He chains the bike up to this clown while he's going shopping.

He's already rejected Francis' offer with a lot of judgment. And he comes back up and the clown is terrifying and it's like crazy canted angles he's already and dotty is introduced and he talks to dotty right dotty wants to go on a date with him he like hates the notion he's a loser he's i mean he's a rebel right i'm a rebel rebel yeah um all these lines that are very quotable now and uh sees the bike is missing walks into trucks with the horn as his dying thing and knocks over all the bikes that's funny makes me laugh and

it's like that's really well-pitched stuff where it's like you gotta play the stakes high around peewee you know like they play it like it's real high drama. Wakes up in the hospital. Like, you know, with the EMTs. Jesus Christ, it was taking me so long to figure that out. As he passes out,

the EMTs come in. They do a cut to him at the police office and they go, so why do you think the Soviets are involved in this? Funny. Which is a really good joke

and also great that like the cop, the woman playing the cop is like playing it real straight against him. They can't help him though. And Pee Wee just goes like maniacal overdrive conspiratorial.

Right. Calls the entire town into his basement where he has 27 items of evidence and goes on this long thing recreating the scene of the crime. Maybe my favorite joke in all of of Pee Wee's Big Adventure is you are only seeing the crowd from behind. thing recreating the scene of the crime maybe my favorite joke in all of of uh uh pb's big adventure

is uh you are only seeing the crowd from behind okay uh he's like running through like exhibit b and he's like going over something you hear someone whispering and he goes is there something you'd like to share with the rest of us amazing larry uh-huh and it just cuts to a middle-aged man with a day glow moh mohawk, and he shakes his head no. And I, as a kid, was just like, the fact that they don't explain who Amazing Larry is, is the funniest fucking thing in the world. And when

this movie finally came out on DVD, I remember Entertainment Weekly, in their review of the DVD, said, like, and we finally get the backstory of Amazing Larry on the deleted scenes, and I was like, day one, gotta buy it, mom, dad, take me to fucking Circuit City. And we bought the DVD. And there's a scene where when he goes to the magic shop,

there's a much longer version where Amazing Larry is just a magician in town. And his business is bombing. And Pee Wee's like, you got to get hip. You got to be more like the kids. Do something trendy. Mix up your hair. So then the joke's supposed to be the next time you see him, he's gotten this ridiculous haircut, which is funny. But the joke of. So then the joke's supposed to be the next time you see him he's gotten this ridiculous haircut.

Which is funny. But the joke of no explanation, the guy's name being Amazing Larry, is hilarious. Yep, I agree with you. So everyone's like, Pee-wee, you gotta chill the fuck out. He's despondent.

He goes to Francis. Francis denies it. He wrestles him in a bathtub. Yeah. He gives him trick gum. So they start like... The bathtub scene is the one like violent. It's the one time Pee-wee's a bathtub. Yeah. He gives them trick gum so they start like... The bathtub scene is the one like violent... It's the one time

Pee-wee's like violent. Yes. Yeah. He really like goes for it. The bathtub seems good though. I like that he's having like... Whatever it is. Pool.

Whatever it is. A full like psychotic break about the bike. Right. And despondent, out of options. It's the psychic. Who tells him

you're looking for something. And he hands over his money. I love that scene. Again, because it's the psychic who tells him you're looking for something and he hands over his money i love that scene again because it's sort of like i like acknowledging that peewee can be tricked that like there is a world because he's like i'm not gonna give you my money so fast you gotta prove to me you know you're looking for something and he just silently um al and mo that's funny right the basement of the alamo is where the bike is and thus like right and here now the movie the stakes are are set yeah they're high for him and it's just one thing he's got to do he's got to get to the basement of the alamo to find this bike. And then it becomes like my favorite It's a road movie.

Right. My favorite structure for a comedy. Just like road movie meets various people. It's vignettes. Yeah. That's my favorite.

Like fucking Finding Nemo. Fucking Midnight Run. You know? Like any sort of like picker-esque journey road movie I love. If the segments are fun.

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No, you then have to use promo code check at Talkspace.com slash check. Okay, well, I know where you are. I love the Americana, though, like nature of the vignettes. Yes. Like even, I love ghost trucks. Ghost truck is amazing. That is such a, I mean, it's large march.

Large march rules. It's very much like, I love that it's like, this is sort of the mythology of like the American road. Yeah. Where it's like, here's the sad waitress at the diner. The crazy killer. The cop on the run. You know here are the hobos in the train.

You're putting Pee Wee in like recognizable tropes of like Americana. This is true. And all these characters are played really straight which I like. Yes that's why it works. But then I like that you know what's it called Mickey you know. Yes. He's like look I. You know, like even- But then I like that, you know, what's it called? Mickey, you know, is like, look, I like you, Pee-wee. Like, you know, he's come around on Pee-wee.

That's what I love. Like, the Paddington effect of like everyone in the town is like, you've saved me. Right. Makes sense because Paddington helps people. But somehow everyone is just transformed by being next to Pee-wee, even though he doesn't do anything for them. Well, Pee-wee helps with the cop stop. Yes. It's funny when they cut to him just dress as a lady right just both of them dressed well and the bit i like because you know watching this you go like is this going to be like uncomfortable watching like a cross-dressing bit is this something that's going to hold up but no the

bit is that he gets so into the character like that's what's funny is the bit is he develops a very specific character he's wearing won't drop it's what's funny is the bit is he develops a very specific character and he won't drop it even after they get past the checkpoint. Well, I mean, obviously also the funny bit is that they are two yards from the checkpoint

and Pee-wee's like, I know what we'll do and they cut. I mean, that's just funny. Yes. But also that he's wearing this like insanely unflattering like sweater cape

and the cop is like, I just wanted to take a look at you. It's a nice outfit. You know, like, it's like the worst outfit. Hey. Hey, Pee-wee. Hey. her cape and the cop is like i just wanted to take a look at you a nice outfit you know like it's like the worst hey hey peewee hey peewee yeah i just want to take another look at you we's pleasure we pleasure i think you should do him more dumb movies did you watch it i did it's crazy he says six times. Now, I was wrong that he literally began saying Dumovish, but it's like the third word. I think he says everyone loves Dumovish.

Everyone loves Dumovish. And then he literally just introduces movies. The magic of Dumovish. He doesn't pivot out of that to like, anyway, best supporting actor. He's just like, and now we celebrate Dumovish. Dumovish. Oh, God. People really responded to Dumbo Beach.

No, but I love that like Pee Wee doesn't like reform Mickey. But Mickey is like, I can't drag you down with me, Pee Wee. That off the side of the road thing is so funny just because it becomes them in an abyss of black. Like it becomes so stylized suddenly. And then of course the convertible hood saves them

and Mickey kicks him out. And the next stop is Simone at the diner. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. Which I just love how it's like, here's this weird, like, Alice doesn't live here anymore. Next is Large Marge. Then it's the diner. Oh, right.

Right. Right. Because Simone is the waitress at that diner. Yes. Right. Right. But Large Marge is great. Obviously, Large Marge.

We stand for Large Marge. Yes. We stand for a legend. Yes. Alice. Right. But Large Marge is great. Obviously, Large Marge. We stand for Large Marge. Yes. We stand for a legend. Yes. Alice Nunn. Alice Nunn. Who died, like, not long after making this movie. Yep.

This is also the first example of Tim Burton making a human being look like a Tim Burton drawing. Right. Like, the way he mops up her hair. No one else in this movie looks like a Tim Burton drawing. Right. You see the touches of his sensibility, but it's very much the main aesthetic is

the peewee aesthetic. The sort of 50s But then once in a while you get this Well, obviously the stop motion scream phase Then there's that fantasy with the weird windows they're walking through. What's it called? Oh, fuck. What am I remembering here? I love. You're talking about the nightmare

he has with the dinosaur. Yeah, yeah, yeah. that's where tim burton's like let me run wild that's very much in line with vincent yeah um i there's the the great uh animated just his eyes in the dark where he's trying to figure out where he is right and then he turns on his headlight goggles and he's surrounded by taxidermied animals. I love that it's like a quick enough shot that they hope you won't notice that most of them are taxidermied. Like the less dangerous animals are alive. And then there's just like a stuffed lion and a bear roaring in his face. How many times have you seen this movie?

I couldn't even tell you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're giving me details where I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess so. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I watched it so, so many times because it's just one of these movies details where I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess so. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched it so, so many times. Because it's just one of these movies where I was just like, I remember as a kid, I was often so literal minded that I wouldn't get a lot of comedy. And I would like see something and I'd stop my dad and my mom and be like, what's the joke there? Can you explain that to me? And they were like, the joke is the reversal of this.

Which probably is why my brain turned out the way it did. Because I like dissected every single frog when I was five. I understand. But this was one of those movies where like, you know, I see this eight or nine, nine or ten whatever age it was and I was just like inherently all of this is funny to me. There's no explanation. There's no logic to it.

But every... Hook it to my veins. This is it. Right. It's like enough of like the Looney Tunes, like sort of anarchy, sort of just combined with like doing funny voices with your friends on a playground. Like there's something just about like Pee Wee just like, you know, it's just energy. But I like that Simone has this like a real pathos to her. But I like that Simone has this real pathos to her. She's this like, you know, diners tell him that Large March died 10 years ago.

I like that they repeat the exact same monologue to him that she just did. And Simone is this woman who dreams of Paris. Yeah. PB doesn't have any money. She makes him wash the dishes. And then she asks him if he can watch the sunset with her. And I love this very sweet romantic thing where they sit in the mouth of the dinosaur. It's cool.

It just looks nice. And watch the sunset. It's a nice color. She talks about her bad abusive boyfriend. She talks about her dreams of her life. And Pee-wee tells her that she has to go and live them. The boyfriend, meanwhile, sees them. Andy.

Here's her talking about the butt. Everyone has a big butt, and your butt's one of the biggest I've ever seen, Simone. He pulls off the fake bone and chases Pee-wee. It's funny. Yeah. He looks like Paul Bunyan. Yeah. He looks like Paul Bunyan. Yeah. I just remember even

at a young age being like, I like that Simone actually matters. That she's not treated as a joke. Sure. You know? Simone played by Diane Salinger. Yeah, she rules. She does rule. And then the next is the biker bar? Um...

See, for how much I remember... Yes, the next is the biker bar, of course. The next is tequila. Right. Because then you gotta get to the Alamo. Which is, like, sort of directly connected. Yes. This is my favorite part. This is the best part. Yeah. I mean, this is like,

it makes me very happy. Yes. I don't know how else to describe it. I love the bikers. Yeah. The guys like are all playing it perfectly. You know who the head female biker is? The one with the red hair? No.

Elvira. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. They're playing it just like caricatures of bikers, but they're still kind of

scary. That's the thing. Genuinely menacing, so the tension is actually there. And once again, you can't explain what this bit is. He walks into a biker bar. Tries to ask everyone to quiet down. They all stare at him. So right now, I'm like, I get it. He doesn't belong in the biker bar. And they're a bunch of tough right now I'm like, I get it. He's not, he doesn't belong in the

biker bar. And they're a bunch of tough guys. I get it. I get it. So they're threatening to murder him. Elvira comes with the knife and he's like, don't I get a final request? He also knocked over some motorcycles. Yes. Which is funny. Which he also does at Chuck's Bicycle Shop. He keeps on

knocking them over like dominoes. It's the same gag and yet it still works. It's still funny. Especially because you have to think about like the reset time after one take. God, Jesus Christ. He is coming, everything back over. But you go, okay, so what's the logical bit here now? The bit is either like he appeals to them and does something that would like show that he's a real biker. Right.

Or he tries to intimidate them and pretend to be a tough guy. Or he wins a race, something like this. Right. He's going to exist within their world and try to prove his relative. No. No. He just. Puts on high heels.

Well, first. He asked the bus boys silently for his wedge heels. Yep. Which I love that he shrinks down. Yes. And then just stands up on the table, presses, well, first he puts tequila on the jukebox.

Yep. And then just does this very joyous dance. Yep. It's not an incredibly like complicated. Not at all. It's not like, right, it's not like Napoleon Dynamite

where he does like a big thing. The bit is that it's so impressive that he's like choreographed this much of it. And it's just like, and he's sort of like shuffling around and it's funny it's the right song right um and it is like kind of the movie in a microcosm where you're like i don't know why this is funny what does this have to do with anything and also right why are the bikers falling for this because who wouldn't fall for this this is charming it's charming it's like the cutaways to them like

where at first they're just like what what is, I don't like this. And then as like the song progresses, they're like totally on board. Yes. Ah, it's so great. Right. And that's where like Burton's really like keyed in as a comedic filmmaker.

It's like the stuff that isn't on the page, but that he knows like, well, make the sequence work is having those reactions be just precise. Having the windup of the sequence be like, really tense and all that sort of stuff. Right. Walks out of there, the bikers love him now. They're just watching it.

They give him a motorcycle, and he immediately crashes it. Yep. That's funny. And then they hard cut to him in the hospital? Yeah. Right. That's his nightmare sequence yeah

right then he makes it to the Alamo he makes it to the Alamo and Jan Hooks one of my favorite comedic actors ever love Jan Hooks

never had the career she should have had yeah what did I mean she did what Designing Women after she left SNL yeah she was on

Third Rock from the Sun a lot she ended up being on Third Rock as Jenna Maroney's mom. She died young. She died a couple episodes. And at that point

she hadn't been on screen in like six or seven years. She's got her one really good scene in Batman Returns. I just think she's one of the best. I love Jen Hook. She's a great voice actor too.

She would do The Simpsons sometimes. She's great. When I do my idol like, okay, fantasy roster, draft your best SNL cast ever, I always include Jen Hock. Sure.

Not an obvious one, but someone who was just so fucking valuable on that show. And she's just playing, like, the ultimate. Ultimate tour guide. Ridiculous. Right. I don't know. Like, sunshiny. Like, Texas.

Texas, down home-y. Kind of like, oh, oh well but performative down home super polite to the point of annoyance where she's like hold all questions to the end i'll say honestly you're maybe the best group i've ever had all that that's funny and peewee just wants to ask where the basement that's funny peewee just wants to ask where the basement is and she keeps on saying hold all questions and this tour goes on for fucking ever sure finally asked the question and it's like oh sweetie there's no basement the alamo everyone laughs at pew it's his worst nightmare now he's despondent he doesn't have a bike there's

no basement this is all a fool's errand right and you feel it i remember being a kid and feeling it so hard like everyone laughing at you You didn't know about this like information that everyone else knows. It just shows you a movie can be so fucking simple. We flipped this. The Alamo is first and the biker bar is second.

Oh, okay. We did. I'm pretty sure we flipped this. Okay. I mean, this movie has it doesn't fucking matter. Anyway. Yeah.

But it's he sees It's because when he wakes up in the hospital is when he sees the TV. Yes. Right. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

Yes. Love the Alamo part. Yeah. I mean, I remember the Alamo is the best joke in the movie. Right. He goes to the biker bar despondent to call Dottie. Yes. But right.

Isn't it like once he crashes the bike is the I remember the Alamo joke. Yes. Yes. Right. Right. Right. That's my favorite. Do you remember anything? Yeah. I remember the Alamo. They'll go. Yes. Right. Right. Right. Right. That's my favorite joke.

Do you remember anything? Yeah. I remember the yellow. Yeah. Cut to black. So he wakes up in the

hospital and he sees it on TV. Sees it on TV. It's being used as a prop in like a kid's movie. About a nun and the big brother from the

Wonder Years. Yep. Kevin Morton. Yeah. Played by Jason Hervey. So now Pee Wee has to movie about a nun and the big brother from the wonder years yep uh kevin morton yeah uh played by jason hervey so now peewee has to go to hollywood which like once again one of these things where it's like you're like what the fuck he's going at movie within a movie in within 60 minutes of his first movie we're going that big like but this becomes like kind of the perfect backlot chase scene like it's a thing that's done a lot. I love it in Blazing Saddles,

but this one just has all the elements of like him invading a Godzilla movie. I still don't get why this movie is good. Right? It's so weird. I'm spending the whole night being like, like if I say I'm like a critic in 1985 or whatever, and it's like I see that and I come out and I'm like, how am I going to sell people on this?

Which a lot of critics dismissed it at the time because they, I think they were just like, I can't mount a defense of this. Sure. It looks ridiculous. I don't know if this is-

Well, critics were such funny duddies as, you know, back then. Roger Ebert didn't review it back in the day and then years later was like, it's a great movie.

It's one of my Roger Ebert's great movies. And he was not a Burton fan. He like, disliked most Burton movies throughout his career is that true? yes

interesting because I remember reading Burton on Burton when I was young and then going but once again Roger Ebert gave it a thumbs down

and I was like he's the villain of this book fuck him yeah he doesn't see my beautiful Timmy for what he is

but yeah this Backlot Chase which like now I'm interested now i'm like looking up tim burton yeah he liked sweeney todd he did like sweeney todd he often said about it he was like the movies he liked edward he liked edward the movies look great sure edward he was like finally he's gotten a real script yeah yeah yeah yeah they're usually visually impressive he loved like he said Batman's worth seeing

because of Gotham. Yeah. But he gave it two stars. Yeah. Yeah. But he would do that sort of argument where he's like I don't think

it's a good movie. I highly recommend going to see in theaters because the art direction is unbelievable. Yeah. And that would be his like review of all of

them. But yes it is one of these things where I don't know why this movie works but it speaks to these two guys being in the right position and why the other two Kiwi movies don't work where you're like, I can't tell what they're doing wrong, but somehow it's not just achieving this very specific spot. I don't think Tim Burton could make this movie today. I don't think he could have made it 10 years later. I think this is one moment where the two of them were really synced in with

each other and with the culture and all of that. This backlot chase is just so much fun and just keeps on escalating and escalating all the elements. I mean, Conan O'Brien talks about like how he loves whenever they would do backstage sketches at late night. He always had like a guy leading a horse right and a person like a monster costume because he loves that notion of hollywood where someone's like carrying a backdrop and it's all just a bunch of like blue collar guys who are like hey oh i gotta

get the godzilla over there right the workaday thing and this just like it hits all of the the points uh i thought i had to is all the movies he's invading are like parodies, right? Like really blown out. But it sort of feels also like it was like, that's kind of what movies are now a little bit. Oh yeah, that's true. I also do love that like it's literally Godzilla and King Ghidorah, that they like clearly got the rights

and it's not just like, oh, this is like a Godzilla stand-in. Well, it is Warner Brothers. Maybe Warner Brothers could have the rights. Like, was it, is that possible? I don't know. I mean, maybe Warner Brothers is like a Godzilla stand-in. Well, it is Warner Brothers. Maybe Warner Brothers could have the rights? Like, was it, is that possible? I don't know. I mean, maybe Warner Brothers is like, we got these things. Maybe, Sony did Roland Emmerich's movie.

I don't know if Warner Brothers, because Dino De Laurentiis did the 70s ones, which were at Paramount. It's completely insane. What am I talking about? It's completely insane that you know that Sony did the Roland Emmer insane. What am I talking about? It's completely insane that you know that Sony did the

Roland Emmerich. What are you talking about? It's top of the dome. If I know anything it said it was a Columbia picture. It was actually TriStar. Oh well

apparently I don't know anything. Weirdly enough. Remember TriStar? Yeah. The galloping Pegasus? Of course. They still make movies. Occasionally. Once in a while you see it in front of like a movie? Yeah. The galloping Pegasus? Of course. They still make movies. Occasionally.

They brought it back for like District 9. Once in a while you'll see it in front of like a movie. Yeah. Like Baby Driver at TriStar. I always liked that. That was one of my favorite logos. You like the Pegasus? The fanfare.

Well, remember also there was the 2D Pegasus that they would do sometimes? No. Here, I gotta pee. You guys gotta pee. It's more like pee-wee. That's good. Pee-wee, Herman. So what else?

I don't know. Now I don't want to get to the finale because he's in the bathroom. What is something we can talk about like only now because David's out of the room? Can we spill tea on something? Is there something that would piss him off?

Hmm. I mean, usually he just gets mad at our bits. I know. But it just feels like it's fun to do a bit if he's not getting mad. No. No, right? No. Because his frustration is what sort of then helps to ramp up the comedy.

It's almost like I can't even get it up to try a bit if David is in the room. Because it's like I don't get the same rush unless he's frustrated. Yeah. I mean, we could do something like really. I was gonna say like a visual bit because you and I like that. Oh, yeah. You know, if we like swapped all our clothes. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. But I don't know. I don't. Again, David would would have to be here to be like, I hate this. I have a friend, Max Skolnick. I'll give him a shout out. He's a great guy.

And there was one night we were at a large dinner with like a lot of our friends. And he kept on changing his outfit. He had like a lot of layers on. Yeah. It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen anyone do. He had a lot of layers on and he wasn't talking. Right. He's like a really good, like, he's really good at working bits where he understands like human behavior

so he was like there's a large table with a lot of comedians if I don't talk for a while no one's gonna pay attention to me so if I can silently rearrange items of clothing so it's like now he's got a bow tie but he doesn't have a sweater right and now the sweater's on but he's wearing a hat that's very funny things would disappear

and come back and then we'd like look to him and we'd be like Max did you change your clothes? He's like I don't know what you're talking about. It's one of the best bits I've ever seen. Cool. You'll never know about it.

Well I'll listen to the episode. No you won't. Illegal. James Brolin did we talk about him and Morgan Fairchild? So he gets caught by the security guards

and the President of the Warner Brothers is watching all this black and white footage of Pee Wee invading the movies and he's like I think he might be a star this guy's got something how about a peewee herman motion picture and then of course he gives him the bike right like this guy has like control of the bike right right and makes a special movie about him

and his bike the bike school chase has so many good bits too where like the the handles fly off and then the new replacement handles come in right um it's just fun shit you get to see peewee like you know at the beginning his dreams of the tour de france like now you're seeing him really like cycle like his life depends on it right uh it's like good visceral like chase shit like you feel some speed on that thing we forgot to talk about the hobo guy which is just a really nice segment of him singing with a guy oh yeah i mean all of these people come back for the finale where they're all watching the dotty gets her way she gets to go to the drive-in with peewee and all his friends come there even mickey and the bus straight from prison right he gives him a footlong which of course is a file to try to

break out right file down the bars sim Simone's there with her French boyfriend. It's just like really nice. Like all the people he sort of touched along the way. But I just like that it's like they just were charmed by him. This movie is so fucking weird. I don't know why I like it. So fucking weird.

And you see the movie, which is about P.W. Herman. Right. Played by James Brolin. An incredibly sexy James Brolin. Yeah. He's a hot guy. He's really handsome

in this movie and one of my favorite touches is how bad of an actor Pee Wee Herman is because they let him play the bellboy

right and when when Brolin says the name's Herman P.W. Herman they cut to a close up of Pee Wee

and Pee Wee can't help but mouth along the lines right like he knows Brolin's lines well he doesn't have to see it he lines. Like he knows Brolin's lines. He doesn't have to see it. He lived it. And he keeps on making eye contact with the camera and then starting to move in one direction but then moving

the wrong. It's like really subtle bad acting. And yeah, he rides off with Dottie. He doesn't need to see it. He lived it. Of course, James Brolin says the line, I'm a loner. I'm a rebel. Dottie. Yeah. And thus film history is made. Phil Hartman is there.

Yes. Phil Hartman co-wrote the film. He plays a reporter. He's interviewing Francis, who takes credit for the whole thing. But then he gets the old ejector seat. Yeah. Yeah. And the rest is history.

The movie fucks. No. Yes. No, no. Yes, it does. Yes, it does. This does this film makes it was generally positively received was a solid box office performer then it did well the box office said this did well the box office was the no one saw that coming no made 40 million dollars yeah which

would be like 80 something today well let's find out according to box office mojo it would be 86 105 million dollars hey now not bad i mean if this movie made 105 million dollars today people would be blown away and warner brothers would say that's not worth our time right that is unfortunately true they would be like well do you want to make like a 200 million dollar movie tim burton like maybe like uh i don't know we got some theme park rides here like what do you want like explain this to $200 million movie, Tim Burton? Like maybe like, I don't know, we got some theme park rides here. Like what do you want? I kind of like explain this to friends who aren't in the industry where it's just like, so why don't they make romantic comedies anymore?

And I'm like, because they don't think it's worth their time to make $200 million. Right. They only want to attempt to make a billion dollars. That's the thing. They'd rather lose 500 with the potential making. I know. Walked in and said like, when you guys make a hundred million dollars like that's how much

we make in like a second in the telecom industry and what's so frustrating is you and I have talked about this we haven't talked about it on mic but Warner Brothers

has had this weirdly good year their franchise-y stuff is disastrous right but they had like Crazy Rich Asians and The Meg and The Nun The Nun

well I mean The Meg cost a lot of money but that was Chinese co-production The Meg was yeah but like The Meg should not have done well at all except in China and instead did well. Right, but my point is you go Crazy Rich Agents, Star is Born, and the none combined cost $75 million.

Sure, right. And each will end up at over $150, well over $150. That's a lot of profit for them, in addition to the fact that the fucking money they must be making off the Star is Born soundtrack. I mean, all this shit. Oh, yeah. That's a future of a studio,

and their new Corporate Overlords is irrelevant to us. Who cares? Make six more Joker movies. I'm looking at what else they had. They had Game Night, which kind of ruled this year. Game Night does kind of rule and did well.

Because it didn't open well and it ended up at 75. Yep. Yeah, it had Tag, which was based on a true story about a bunch of guys who played Tag.

Yeah, but now has been adapted to its ideal form. Check a lanterns. I don't know what that is. Dave Ebert, great comedian, UCB guy,

decided that he would carve the entire cast of Tag into separate pumpkins for charity. I do know what this is. Right, right. And it went viral, and then the cast of Tag donated like tens of thousands of dollars. That's nice. So he did like the 12 principal actors

and the director of Tag, which I thought was really nice. They're really good pumpkins, too. Better than the movie. They also had Ready Player One, which was another actual surprise hit for them this year pretty well

it did amazing overseas and it did fine here it was another thing where it was like did a little better on both ends than expected but the Joker universe

I know and seven more Grindelwald movies look I mean have we said this on air? what? I'm like

I'm excited to see the Joker I am too I kind of think I'm kind of on board I'm like, I'm excited to see the Joker. I am too. I kind of think I'm kind of on board. I'll say this too. I want to see it. It looks cool. I think the design is really good. I know.

I like it too. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do with this information. And the like, the fucking paparazzi videos that have come up. I'm interested in Todd Phillips' Joker movie. Your body language says you're like grossed out. Like you look like you're going to throw up. I mean, look, it's going to lock the gates. It's going to fuck. the gates it's gonna fuck it's gonna be twisted i swear we're gonna get fingered

it's got everything going for it's the culmination of everything this podcast has been leading towards it's a twisted dc movie with marin you're right you're right we should have marin on that one a weird a weird blank check film it's very much a blank check film. Yeah, in a way. And franchise-y. It's everything we have talked about in one movie. Yep. I'm excited. I mean, we were so against it

and the second stuff started leaking out I was like, Zazie Beetz and Francis Conroy are in it? It's actually a really interesting, intelligent cast. Really canny actors. Oh boy. Yeah, but I just, like, the Pee-wee thing is so hard to think about

because it's like, where was the sort of like audience education? Like there was no like, okay, here's Pee-wee. You all get it, right? Like suddenly he was just in a movie. Yeah, you're right. He had done some shit and that was how they would just take flyers on people because I think really Cheech and Chong was, I don't know, these guys made some big

records and let him make a movie and the movie was huge where they would still do this sometimes. It opened to 4.5 million so it must have had like a very long word of mouth kind of tale thing as well. Yeah, because it basically made the same amount of money week after week.

It didn't significantly drop like ever. It was like a sleeper hit. It was a classic sleeper hit. An immediate cult phenomenon. They offered him to direct the sequel. Immediately, Paul Reuben said, I want to make a kid show. I see this character connecting with kids now because of the movie.

He makes for his playhouse, but they also start developing Big Todd Peewee, and they offer it to Burton, and he passes because he's read a script that Warner Brothers and Geffen have had lying around for a little while and takes to it with a lot of new visual ideas. And that script, of course, famously is called House Ghosts. Is that what it was called? Yes. Beetle Juice. It's Beetle Juice. But it was called yes beetlejuice it's beetlejuice but it was called house ghosts yeah right now to be fair it's not like you walk into a studio pitch meeting and being like i've got the title for you beetlejuice like you know and they're like oh everyone loves it's an overbearing character who's only in the movie for 13 minutes. Right. It's a word that no one's ever heard before. That's the title.

Beetlejuice. But we'll talk about that next week. Now let's talk about the box office performance. Yeah, we're playing the box office. Oh, no, no, not next week. Oh, next week is? It's our 200th episode. No, it's not.

No, it's not. You're crazy. You're crazy. Next week is Beetlejuice. Oh, fuck's not. No, it's not. It's not. You're crazy. You're crazy. Next week is Beetlejuice. Oh, fuck. Cut this out, Ben. Next week it is dun, dun, dun, dun

our 199th episode? No, it's like our 196th episode. None of this is gonna be in, so stop. We still gotta do Aquaman. Shut up. We're gonna do Beetlejuice,

then Aquaman. Yeah. Just take it from where you were before. Oh, so it's Aquaman and Batman back to back? That's kind of fun that that lined up that way. That we have like the two men. We were never cutting

this out, Ben. You know that. The most recent DC and one of the earliest DCs back to back. Hello, Fennel. It is the early, I guess, Superman. Right right but that's beginning yeah of real franchise

stuff modern franchise filmmaking starts with batman anyway but yeah

you know merry christmas blah blah blah so what is it open at 4.5 million number 3 okay

number 1 at the box office 1985 what time of the year august 9th. Right in the middle of fucking nowhere's bill. These ones obviously get tougher when they're from before I was born.

I don't have a memory. Number one is the most popular film of 1985 in its sixth week. Three Man and a Baby? Nope. Was that not that year? Not that year. Maybe it was. 1985.

It wasn't. Is it part of a franchise it begins a franchise Batman begins I'm sorry, Bartman begins a franchise terrible joke do you want more clues?

I can give you more clues how many are there in total? there's three in total? Three. There's three in total. It starts in 1985. That's true. Is it the motion picture or Beverly Hills Cop? Nope.

Fuck. Is it the motion picture or Back to the Future? There you go. There we go. You got it. Back to the Future. Beverly Hills Cop was number two that year. Nope.

Number three? No, Beverly Hills Cop is not that year. What? I don't know what to tell you Okay fine It's Back to the Future Beverly Now I want to know though We gotta go back in time

Beverly Hills Cop Is number one movie Of 1984 Oh okay 1985's best movies Were Back to the Future Uh huh Rambo First Blood Part 2

Which Was the second highest grosser And like And is an awful movie And also like Tripled the gross of First Blood, which is the only good movie in that franchise. Well, First Blood's an amazing movie.

First Blood's like an actual movie. Right, and then Rambo First Blood Part 2, which is one of the silliest titles ever. Jingoistic porn. Yeah, but also the poster is like, he's shirtless holding a bazooka and the background is fire. Right.

So they were kind of like, yeah, you know, the last one was like, he's like a vet, but like this one, don't worry. He's gonna shoot a bazooka and it's going to be awesome. It's still a movie. We've been getting it out. Sliced open his flesh and stuck chicken cutlets underneath. He's like, this is the beginning of me looking at photos of like Sylvester Stallone going like, that looks like it smells bad.

Any movie where he's like roided out and like shirtless and greasy. It looks insane. Yeah. But they send him on a mission and send him up to fail but they made one mistake which is they forgot they were dealing with Rambo. It is the funny title evolution of First Blood, then Rambo colon

First Blood Part 2 and then the third one is called Rambo 3. And then the fourth one is called Rambo. Oh, just Rambo? They go back. I think the next one's going to be called John Rambo. Is that possible? Sure. They're doing one where he's like fighting a fucking wolf or something. I don't next one's going to be called John Rambo. Is that possible? Sure. They're doing one where he's fighting a fucking wolf or something. I don't know. The wolf? He's training for Rambo 5

right now. And in Rambo 3, he just looks tired. Yes. Rambo 3 is also... But also, he does look kind of smelly there, doesn't he? He's too shiny. No, but Rambo 2, he looks like an action figure. Yes, he looks like an action figure. And then they make a Rambo cartoon show that ignores the fact that Rambo is a victim of PTSD.

He's like someone having a mental breakdown. But here we go. This is actually crazy. It should be an office comedy with Rambo. I actually wrote about this because remember when Ethan Hawke was like, superhero movies aren't so good. Yeah, and then he was arrested. Yeah, and then, of course, he was crucified for this opinion by Thanos himself.

I don't know. He snapped the shit out of Ethan Hawke. And, you know, people were like, fuck you, Ethan Hawke. Mr. Linkletter, I suddenly don't feel so good. Go on. I went, that was funny. Take comedy points. I went into Ethan Hawke's filmography

and I was like, this guy's kind of put his money where his mouth is where he's never really done a big movie. No. Like, in his career. And he's been in a zillion movies and some of them have been big hits valerian's like the biggest movie he was ever right and he's in it for a minute yeah he plays like a porn uh right but like his big studio sellout movies are like training day but you got nominated for an oscar for taking lives right or whatever yeah and like or he'll like do a blumhouse movie right he used to do adult thrillers

when those still existed. Now that they don't, he'll do like Sinister and he did that weird, what was it? Selena Gomez car movie. Anyway, what were you saying?

But like, 1985 was his first year at the box office. And so I did an article where I compared like last year at the box office, dude, 85.

Explorers? Yeah, Explorers. Okay. And so Back to the future rambo first blood part two number three is rocky four so those are big sequel movies i know but then the color purple was the fourth highest grosser and out of africa the fifth and cocoon and witness and the goonies and spies like us are in the top 10 like franchises were big and i know police academy

two is in there ben's excited excited. Oh, below it. Oh, Fletch. Right, Fletch. Number 12. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There just used to be such a diversity if you looked at the top 10. Right. That was the point.

There was a spread. Yeah. So, 84 was Beverly Hills Cop, Ghostbusters, and Gremlins, right? Let's find out. Wow. Beverly Hills Cop beat Ghostbusters. Yeah. Yep.

Beverly Hills Cop was like the 10th biggest movie of all time. And Temple of Doom, Karate Kid, Footloose. See, this is, you start to see, these are the years that formed the next stage of Hollywood. For sure. These are the years that build the 90s. David. Yes. We love movies.

True. Uh, Blanket. Thank it. Right. Another thing we love is we hate movies. Oh, I see what you did there. And that can get a little confusing. You know Another thing we love is we hate movies. And that can get a little confusing. You know what I'm saying?

Slow it down. Because that sounds like, wait, they love hating movies? No, no, no, no, no. We love the boys at We Hate Movies. Who also love movies, but they also love to hate movies. The name's a little facetious. And they are much like us, so in love with the enormity of what movies can represent. But they tend to cover bad films on their podcasts.

Right? Now, we've had Andrew and Steve on the show. Yep. There's also Chris Cabin and Eric Ziska. Who we hope to have on very soon. But they're doing something kind of funky this month. They're flipping the whole thing on its head. They're making it We Love Movies. Right.

They usually use a bad movie as a jumping off point for some discussion of movies and pop culture. I mean, these are some of the best dunkers in the biz. Oh, right. This is like the slam dunk competition. Suicide Squad. Right. Squib, squab, squab. B-Movie. B-Movie. 300. Yeah, I mean, you know, things like this. You know, the Friday the 13th sequels.

The Transformers franchise. I mean, these are guys things like this. You know, the Friday the 13th sequels, the Transformers franchise. I mean, these are guys who have the courage to do five episodes on the Transformers franchise. But this month, they're doing We Love Movies, so they're tackling some of their favorite movies ever. That's the criteria. Who's they love? Back to the Future. It's Wonderful Life. Now, Terminator 2, we've covered on this podcast.

Sure. Batman, I'm sorry, Bartman. Bartman. 1989's Bartman. I don't know him. A film we're about to cover. They're covering it this month as well. Oh, can you contact the attorney?

Contact the lawyer to sue them? Sounds like we got another cracked movie club situation on our hands. No, no. I can't wait to hear their Bartman episode. No, and the thing is they're also celebrating it on their Patreon. Right. So you're getting subscriber-only episodes on... Star Wars. Star Wars, a movie we've covered.

Star Trek. We've chatted about that one. The Routhacon. Good one. Commentary to the Schwarzenegger classic Commando, one of their favorites. Yep. And then they're throwing in some bad movies as well. Ready Player One.

Oh, yeah. Their Patreon, they've got Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance. Man of Steel. Jurassic World. I mean, these are things that come up a lot on our show. They've also got a monthly Star Trek show called The Nexus, which covers the original series The Next Generation, which

I really like. Star Trek's great. Animation Damnation, which covers random episodes of Saturday morning cartoons, which I really like because I am a baby. That's right. Anyway, you can subscribe to We Hate Movies on iTunes or Google Play and you can check out their Patreon at www.patreon.com slash wehatemovies.

They're great guys. Anyway, after that long digression, number two at the specific box office is a movie I've literally never heard of, so I'm going to have to look up what it is. Oh, I have heard of this movie. Well, it's a

comedy. It's starring one of Ben's faves, I have heard of this movie. Well, it's a comedy. It's starring one of Ben's faves, I think. It's not a Chevy. No. Jim Belushi? No. Uncle Buck himself. John Candy. John Candy. Who is Harry Crumb? No.

Weird movie. That's a weird movie. Not Great Outdoors, is it? No. Did you know this movie? Directed by Carl Reiner. outdoors no i don't did you know this already came up never heard of it directed by carl reiner but john can't is he the only above the title guy yep directed by carl reiner i'll give you the tagline yeah john candy is about to face the most devastating experience known to man the family vacation what the fuck is this movie? It made $25 million. What's it called? Summer Rental.

Oh, wow. That's right. He's rented a house in the summer. What will John Candy do next? For that to exist post National Lampoon's Vacation and... I just found out what this movie is. He rents a season?

Yeah, no. He goes on vacation with his family that's the plot yeah this film was based on a summer holiday taken by bernie brilstein oh jesus christ based on a real vacation and my vacation was interesting you should make a movie that he literally is like i look i'm a fat guy with a bunch of kids being heavy on the beach it's no fun so i guess he just like called someone, I'm a fat guy with a bunch of kids. Being heavy on the beach is no fun. So I guess he just called someone and was like, do a movie about how I didn't

like being fat on vacation? That's how, you know, the Ron Howard, Vince Vaughn movie, The Dilemma, is based off of Brian Grazer being like, my friend's wife is cheating on him. I can't decide whether to tell him or not. Make a movie of that. Here's $75 million.

These dumb fucking bubble Hollywood executives who are like the thing I just experienced is so interesting. Let's attach the biggest comedy stars alive to it. Director Carl Reiner said, quote, Like a small beautiful painting in a large frame,

John is a handsome guy in a larger frame than is necessary what's he talking about i don't know he's just saying john candy's fat yeah he is a handsome guy he's got a nice face he is i agree but he's just kind of saying like he's a real handsome guy he's just kind of big yeah and i'm like okay carl reiner like is that breaking news uh roger ebert's review of uh paul blart mall cop which is from his later, more generous years, where he gave it like three and a half stars. And he was like,

there's some intelligence to the visual language here. At the beginning of the film, where he's meant to be buffoonish, they film him in low angles that play up Kevin James' retuneness. But later in the film, as he becomes more heroic and is chasing people on his segue,

they go to higher angles that show off that actually he has a pretty solid jawline. I just remember that constantly, that he was very impressed with how they made... The shot selection? They make him look less fat as the movie went on. That's all he was saying, but he really got into it. He devoted a graph

to it. R.I.P. Roger. R.I.P. Enemy of Tim Burton. Number four is another comedy. There's a lot of comedies yeah people are yucking it up 1985 Ben have you seen this movie do you like this

of course you've seen it love it was this like a Comedy Central man no it's another of his icons you already mentioned him uh Chevy

it's Chevy it's not Fletch no cause obviously we know Ben's seen Fletch right Spies Like Us no

no this is um Solo Chevy I don't know no it's not No it's not Solo It's not a solo I mean He's

It's his He's with people It's hard to give clues Very hard I mean It's not a vacation movie It is a vacation movie So it's European?

Yes Yeah Directed by? Amy Heckerling That's right Who we'll hopefully cover someday I think so Interesting career

Very interesting career Number five is a very good movie. I like this movie. It's a horror comedy. Casper, A Spirited Beginning. No. Wait a second. That's not what it is at all.

Okay, 1995, it's a very good horror movie. Is it, I'm getting my years wrong here. Is it a sequel or is it an original? Original. It does have a sequel and then much later, a remake. Only had one sequel. Just the one. The sequel was a huge bum.

Sequel was a huge bum. And how was the remake? I like it. It stars one of my boyfriends. Not Colin. Yes, Colin. It stars Colin? Mm-hmm.

It's a sequel. It's a horror movie starring Colin. He only really, as far as I know, made one horror movie. Oh, oh, oh, yes. A movie I like. Although, and I know this is sacrilege, I don't get dragged for this, I think the remake is better. I like them both.

The movie's Fright Night. Fright Night. Fright Night. I like both of them, but I really like, you know what? Because I think Colin's really fun. Colin is great. I gave him a best supporting Griffey that year. Nomination, not win.

But he's great in that movie. That movie's really good. That's the best movie Craig Gillespie has directed by a mile. By a nautical mile. Yeah, and do you know what the second one is? Second best movie? Lars and the Real Girl. No. Mr. Woodcock. No. What? The Finest Hours, baby. Oh, I forgot that movie. Those hours, they fine i forgot talk

about an article mile yeah we gotta get over the bar i can't believe i haven't seen we gotta get this fucking boat over the fucking bar yeah that's like that whole movie is just boston accents being yelled about getting over a sandbar it's great i love that movie the finest hour i looked it up 123 minutes where do they get off? Jesus Christ. I mean, the reason we went long in this is because we were not long on the movie. We were short. What do you say about Pee Wee?

It's a masterpiece that's very strange. Yeah. How long was this ep? We haven't even hit 90 minutes, baby. Are you kidding me? Yeah. That's crazy. We were fishing.

Look what happens when we don't bring a guest in we're lean we're no john candies so what's up with you what's up with me i wanted to say um yeah weird science weird science is number six oh yeah i love that movie sure yeah i have a feeling though if i would watch it today i don't know it's pretty gross yeah uh real genius number seven that was really just they would just dump all the comedies in would watch it today I don't know it's pretty gross Real Genius number 7 it was really just they would just dump all the comedies in August yeah clearly

Cocoon is still going Follow That Bird which I've seen many times a very odd film very strange kind of creepy kind of feels like

it was directed by Tim Burton it was directed by Ken Kweepis I'm aware director if he's just not that into you that's right but it has a very ominous...

Well, doesn't it end with Big Bird putting his feather on the Egyptian death thing, the scale? Also, the middle of the movie is he gets imprisoned by a traveling circus run by Randy Quaid. And he gets so depressed that he literally turns blue and then becomes their central act, which is blue bird and he's a giant sad blue bird in a cage singing songs of sorrow wow uh and it's about him being relocated that they're like you don't belong here with these humans you fucking bird you know what 10 is what's 10 follow that bird i'd love to do an entire miniseries yeah let, let's definitely never do that. Do you think someone cool is directing the Sesame Street movie? There's a Sesame Street movie?

They're doing a Sesame Street movie, but someone cool is directing it. Who? Hong Sang-soo. Yes. Tell me what number 10 is and I'll look this up. Oh, I'm sorry. Quickly, John Braylock texted me. Cool.

Oh, man. I agree with you so hard about A Star is Born. Whatever. As goes Bray, texted me. Cool. Oh, man, I agree with you so hard about A Star is Born. Whatever. As goes Bray, so goes the nation. Actually, rarely true. Love you, Braylock. All right, number 10 is this movie Silverado. Have you seen Silverado, the Lawrence Kasdan movie?

Yes. Okay. I was taking a train the other week back from D.C., so I put some Netflix. You know, Netflix, you can download a movie. You want some Netflix and show? No, I mean, I just wanted to watch Netflix. Were you trying to relax?

I was. You were trying Netflix and show. Okay, fine. So I'm just sort of looking at movies I can download, right? I picked Silverado. Because it's Larry Kasdan. The cast is superb you got Kevin Klein John Cleese Kevin Costner Danny Glover

I'm like Jeff Goldblum's in it I'm gonna have a great time and I put it on and I'm like this movie's fucking boring and lame and that's it so my it's not good my friend Brennan McLaughlin loves Silverado tried to get me to watch it for years

Kevin Costner once used Silverado as a teaching tool to give me a lesson about acting. You mean like he showed you Silverado or he just like mentioned he's pretty good in it? That was his breakout movie. Yeah, I know. I'll tell the story because I think this is an interesting thing I think about all the time. Okay. But do you agree with Silverado? It's just kind of boring.

I kind of like it. What the fuck are they doing? Trying to get to Silverado or something? You just answered your own question. So there is there was a scene in draft day where they wanted me to go bigger. They wanted me to go really broad for one moment.

I was resistant to do it because it felt a little goofy. He kept on saying, you gotta go bigger. Is it Reitman who was saying this? Reitman was saying it, but then Costner was leaning into me and going, I know it feels weird. Just do it. Just go big. You're going to want this moment to be big. I know it feels weird i know what you're going through and i did it and i like felt weird about it right and he at the end of the day he was like can i talk to you for a

second i was like yeah and he said my first movie i did i think it's maybe the next morning he told me this in like the hair and makeup chair he was like this is why i was so persistent with you about this first movie i did silverado i was i was a lot like you and i was like, this is why I was so persistent with you about this. First movie I did, Silverado, I was a lot like you. And I was like, I don't think that's true. You were devastatingly handsome in that movie. Exactly. I'm playing Rick the Intern. He's playing the sexy young cowboy.

I was like, you are some young, funny actor. No, you were a movie star. I guess he's a little goofy in it. Yeah, but he was also a leading man in waiting. Yeah. I was beating out Josh Gad for roles. if they decide to flip the role skinny. So he was like, we did this movie and there's a moment where I walk out of the bar and there are two bad guys on either side. And I take out two guns and I shoot in both directions without even looking at them.

Sure, yes. And that's like my big badass moment. Right. And Laurie Kazan, and the director said to me after that you should sort of turn your head towards the camera not look at the camera turn your head towards the camera and smile turn turn your turd yes i agree impression isn't great whatever right okay so he's like you turn your head towards the camera and smile and costa was like i don't want to do that and he's like come on and he's like it doesn't make sense you just

killed two men it's like kind of fourth. And he's like, it doesn't make sense. You just killed two men. It's like kind of fourth wall breaking. Like it feels out of character. Why would you do it? And he's like, trust me, trust me. Please do it. It'll be so cool. And he's like, I'm not going to do something because you think it's cool.

I'm an actor. I'm protecting the integrity of this character. He said he went to the premiere of Silverado and he saw that moment where the guns came out and he is an audience member. Went, fuck, I want to see that guy smile. And he said, it felt so want to see that guy smile. Yeah. And he said it felt so wrong to me in the moment

and I watched it and I said that's what the movie demands right now and if you're with a good director or you're surrounded by people you trust

you need to trust them when they tell you I'm looking at the thing from this perspective and even if it feels unnatural sometimes the movie demands something weird. Right.

That's sort of got a life of its own. Yeah. And he linked up to this story where he was directing someone on Dances with Wolves and had the exact same argument with the guy where the guy didn't want to go big on a shot. I won't say which actor, which scene it was, but it was a smaller part. And he brought the guy to the dailies. He got the guy to do one take the way he wanted. Right.

And he brought the guy to the dailies and they were watching all of them and it was like, fine, fine, fine. And they did the take that Costner won on. Yeah. And it blew up like it just gales of laughter. Right. And he got a call from the local police wherever they were shooting that movie, Montana. Sure.

At like three o'clock in the morning that they had found the actor like drunk and belligerent having a nervous breakdown in the middle of the street. Because he was like, if I can't trust my own instincts, and it felt wrong to me. Jesus. And now it's Costner's thing was, he just said to me, like, sometimes you just got to trust the people around you. Even if it feels weird, I know what it feels like to be an actor. I know how vulnerable it is. You get in your head.

This is an argument that Kasdan's a bad director. Because he didn't get him to do it. Good instincts, not forceful enough, perhaps. Silverado. More like Bor Silverado. More like Bor-a-rado. Kevin Acosta said to me that was his biggest regret of his entire career was not smiling at the end of the gunshot in Silverado. Not the postman?

No. That's what I... Please, why do you think I said that? Because I'm not going to finish that joke, but you can insert punchline here. But that's what he said to me. He said, That was the biggest mistake of my entire career.

Now get me a fucking coffee. Did you go big? You went big. Yeah, but you know what? I watched the movie and I wish I went bigger. I truly do. They used the biggest take I did.

I won't say which scene it is because I don't want to demean my own work, which I already could do. But I watched it and I wish I'd gone bigger. I 100% agree with what both of them were saying.

What do you think, Ben? It was cool when you dropped the coffee. Spilled the coffee. And then they cut it out and only put it in the trailer. Oh. No, I know. I'd be getting $20 million a picture if they had kept that in. Yeah, if they kept it in.

That's all. My life would be so different if they had kept in the coffee drop. Yeah, but you wouldn't be doing blank check baby we kidding me blank check would be it'd be

on NPR I don't know yeah baby I can't think of what a better version yeah but what's like the hottest you could be in radio doing it on Broadway yeah exactly

I guess we could have like a serious channel that'd be cool yeah what if we were on satellite radio Ben Doing it on Broadway. Yeah, exactly. I guess we could have like a serious channel. That'd be cool. Yeah, what if we were on satellite radio, Ben? That would be lame. It would be lame. Does anyone listen to satellite radio? No.

Sometimes you get a rental car and you can listen to it. It's only people who want the Frank Sinatra station. And Stern. And Stern. Stern, yeah. I know, yeah. Weird. Weird. Is this sort of a dry end to the episode?

Yeah, well, tune in next week where Howard Stern will be our guest on Beetlejuice. I don't like that Beetlejuice guy. I can't decide. I can't really do Stern either. I'm not a Stern guy. Beetlejuice got a big dick? I don't know. A lot of people, were you a Stern kid?

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. All right, that makes sense. Are you kidding me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, all right, all right. Yeah, come on.

I just feel like there is, like, you know, there's, like, a solid, like, 25% of comedians our age and a little older who, like, like, Stern's a big one for them. And then, like, yeah, Getherd or whoever. Yeah. And then some people are, no, no, Stern passed them by, but there's a solid shot.

And some people, it's all about Pee-wee, baby. Sure. Yeah. I do watch the opening of this movie, and I just moved apartments. I'm, like, setting it up. And I looked at the opening with this house, and I'm like, this is kind of where I want to live.

Like, I got to resist. The apartment I moved into. Do not flood your apartment with fucking bullshit. The apartment I moved into is, like, pretty classy and adult and modern. Like, it's got this really nice, like, classy bathroom, and I've been, like like buying better things because like, it's a thing where it almost dollar store, like looks low rent now.

You got to bring the, yeah. Get yourself some like trace. I don't live in an apartment where like the ceiling's collapsing every five seconds. But then I also watch this and I was like, what if I just threw it all out? And I had a Rube Goldberg machine that made a Mr.

Breakfast face. God tape in the bathroom here every morning. Um, yeah, we're done. threw it all out and I had a Rube Goldberg machine that made a Mr. Breakfast face. God. I did tape in the bathroom mirror every morning. Yeah, we're done. We're done. I mean, anything else to say? You don't need to go longer. Let's end it.

I think we should go longer. No, come on. Just wrap longer. Yeah, you're right. Let's do some pickups, baby. I don't know. Next week's Beetlejuice. It's good.

God, I can't wait for Beetlejuice. You're going to talk so much about Beetlejuice. What's the one you're going to go on the most about? What's your RoboCop? What's my RoboCop? It's Batman Returns, isn't it? Maybe, although, I mean, Ed Wood is my favorite movie.

Mine too. Ed Wood is firmly in my top ten of all time. Sure. Beetlejuice might be the one where I go off. Beetlejuice, not to, like, front load this, although we'll see what happens at the end of all the revisits. Beetlejuice, Batman Returns, and Ed Wood represent, like, the three things I like him doing.

Right. The three modes, I feel. I get that. And the best of each mode. We got some good guests coming up yeah let's say who's on the next episode right sure we got a locked in yeah we got becca locked in our buddy rebecca bolnitz yeah she rules host classroom crush that's right we can't give too much away but this is a pretty stacked yeah i'm saying we got some big guests you know i mean who

knows maybe they all cancel on us but we have already recorded We got a couple big guests Who knows, maybe they all cancel on us But we've already recorded at least a couple good guests Yeah Not to shock the audience But we're doing it out of order Yeah, but we got a couple luminaries of the podcast world We do We got award winners

Sure We do We do I don't want to say which award Because then people might start to draw conclusions We got someone who won Award winners? Sure. We do. We do. Okay. We do. I don't want to say which award because then people might start to draw conclusions. Right. We got someone who won a major acting award.

Yes. Oh, yeah. That's right. Yes. Oh, I'm very excited for that one. Yeah. I'm like the most excited for that one. Yeah.

Though I realize we'll talk about it afterwards. You folks have guessed it. Monique is doing Mrs. Peregrine's Home for Peculiar

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