Blank Check with Griffin & David - Rachel Getting Married with Ayo Edibiri and Olivia Craighead

Episode Date: March 1, 2020

From Iconography, Ayo Edibiri and Olivia Craighead join Griffin and special guest the crypt keeper that is gravelly-voiced David. Get ready for a movie surprisingly starring Sebastian Stan, and a 20-minute long story about the saga of Marc Summers. How many sitcoms were about dads that are also another thing? How much family trauma comes out at a wedding? How muddy is this film?

🎵 I am Shiva the Destroyer, your harbinger of podcasting this evening. Okay. I don't know. I want to get it over. We're all ready. We got energy in this room. We do.

And I just want to go into it. I don't know if this is true for you guys, but this trailer used to just play constantly. Yes. And she says that in the trailer. And I got so annoyed at that line in the trailer. Even though it's fine. I did too, because in the trailer I was like this is supposed to be funny.

Right. And in the movie you're like this is the most painful moment. Right. That's quote number one on IMDb. Quote number two is the monologue about her killing Ethan. Oh you should have done that one. I was thinking about it. No you weren't. I was considering.

Thrown you out of this studio. Look, I'm le enfant terrible of podcasting. Oof. Are we allowed to weigh in? Yes. Just a big oof from me on that. Thank you for weighing in on that. If anything, you could have made worse choices.

A self-described enfant terrible. Of podcasting. Of podcasting. Of podcasting is sick. Of podcasting. Not good. It podcasting. Of podcasting is sick. Of podcasting. Not good. It's necessary. Someone had to step up.

I don't know that it had to be you. I kept on goading Terry Gross. I was like, I feel like the pressure, like the sort of, I don't know, the movement felt like it was getting behind, like, go off, Terry. Get messy. Gross on gross. Get gross. Yeah.

Terry get gross was the hashtag. Love that. Yeah. People wanted her, like, talking boogers. Yeah. Talking barf. Mm-hmm. Being, I guess that's less Longfell Tarabula and more Garbage Pail Kid.

Mm-hmm. Dust. But they're close. She is going to host a revival of Double Dare on Netflix. Super sloppy Double Dare? Yeah, exactly. That's one of the cruelest things that has ever happened in the entertainment industry. It's like Mark Summers, they're like, congratulations Mark, we finally got you a game show job.

And he's like, oh my god, what is it? Am I doing prices right? Is Bob Barker stepping down? They're like, no, you're doing Double Dare. And he's like, cool. I'm not going to tell anyone I'm OCD. I'm not going to tell anyone how much this drives me crazy. And then like four seasons in. Is that true? He's OCD. He's crazy OCD. Oh, and he just had to host a show where the whole point is to like cover yourself and flop and like pull

boogers out of a giant nose. And then four seasons in, Nickelodeon's like, Mark, great news. And he's like, shows canceled, shows canceled, shows canceled. And they're like, we're revamping. It super sloppy double dare now we're adding more boogers he hosted it for all seven years uh he's like horribly ocd and there's uh one of the greatest uh clips on youtube is him going on jay leno and it was like the first time he was getting to do like an adult thing quote unquote oh mark like they were like validating him by being like now your kids might know this guy and the first guest on leno was uh burt reynolds who was very much trying to like keep the energy of old like johnny carson burt reynolds alive and he was so depressed that he was sharing a couch

with a nickelodeon host he of his ego, that he just keeps on making fun of Mark Summers. That seems so sad. And Mark is like, ha ha ha, yeah, well, you know, and after like six or seven direct body blows, Mark Summers makes some joke about like how many failed marriages Burt Reynolds has.

And Burt Reynolds picks his mug up off the table and throws it in Mark Summers' face. We all just went quiet. I hope there was a cold. I think you made this up. I think you made this whole thing up. This is 100% true.

But what's kind of funny is it's like the show. Well, okay. So then. It's also kind of like Rachel getting married. That weird sort of like, fuck, is this about to flip into like. What a beautiful segue. So then Mark Summers picks up... I'm not even close to being done. Mark Summers

picks up his mug, tries to throw it back in Bert's face. What is Jay doing during this? What's this? Yeah, and Bert knocks the mug before it connects and it hits Mark Summers again. So he's double

dosed. And then some fucking producer thinks they're funny, has a PA run out with two pie tins. No! Filled with whipped cream and is like, pie fight. And Mark Summers is like, I thought this was my break from getting sloppy shit all over me. It's only worse. It's only worse.

That's a good producer. The thing that's crazy is, back then, it was just like, that happened on TV and if you saw it, you might go to work the next day and be like,

did you watch? That was crazy. And now I can just Google it and find it and it's on YouTube forever. Yes. And I can just watch it. And you can only talk about it

on a podcast. Yep. That's the only place you're allowed to talk about it legally. Who uploaded it? Mark Summers Productions. Oh, okay. Okay, for sure. So, I guess he's over it. Keep the dream alive, baby. Keep the dream alive. That's the only place you're allowed to talk about it legally. Who uploaded it? Mark Summers Productions. Oh, okay.

For sure. I guess he's over it. Keep the dream alive, baby. Keep the dream alive. Keep the legacy alive. You're right. You're right. Good call. I'm, yeah, introduce our podcast.

Okay. You're kind of sick. I have been sick. You're dressed like the Crypt Keeper. I have a hoodie on. What do you mean I'm dressed like the Crypt Keeper? You're all dusty and you look like on Death's Door. He has BC.

It's a bit A to C. Crypt Keeper is my inspiration. I wish I was dressed like the Crypt Keeper. Everyone, you of course know that this is Blank Check with Griffin and David. I'm Griffin. I'm David. He's the Crypt Keeper. I'm a little sick, so my voice sounds kind of atmospheric.

It's fine. And there's no judgment, but you are now canonically the Crypt Keeper. And we would love to hear you cackle at some point. I genuinely think that might fuck my throat up. Okay. It's a podcast about filmographies. Directors who have massive success early on in their careers, giving the series a blank check to make whatever crazy passion projects they want,

and sometimes those checks clear, and sometimes they bounce. Baby. And this is a mini-ser series on the films of Jonathan Demme we're nearing the end yeah we're getting close we are this is called Rachel getting married yes and our guest today from the

Iconography podcast it's called Stop Making Podcast it's called Stop Making Podcast very very lightly veiled threat from our listeners against us and our guest today from the podcast Iconography Olivia and Ayo Very, very lightly veiled threat from our listeners against us. And our guest today from the podcast, Iconography, Olivia and Ayo. Hi. Hello.

Hi. Very excited to be here. So excited to have you here. Big, big fan of your show. I've been listening to your show for years at this point. That's completely insane. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. I haven't been listening to your show for years at this point. That's completely insane. Isn't that crazy? Very bizarre. Yeah. I haven't been listening to your show for years because it has existed less than a year.

And that's the only reason why. I don't know. That's a little embarrassing, though. What? You could have been listening for a couple years. Spiritually, I feel like I was. I was waiting for it. I was holding my ear up to the sky and I was like, something's missing.

Where's the show I want to be listening to right now I mean Io and I have been listening to it for years basically because it literally is just what we talk about when we talk about that's my

when people like ask David or I for podcast advice that's what I always say is like do you have a friend who you host a podcast with when you just hang out

right and would you have those conversations irregardless if that's the case then you won't ever run out of material, and you'll probably enjoy doing it. Right?

Yeah. I also feel like it's just like if you care about just like making money, getting bitches, or champagne, or bubbly, which is different to me than champagne. Champagne and bubbly are different. Bubble bath. You're talking about bubble bath.

Mr. Bubble. Yeah, Mr. Bubble. But also like Perrier. Models and bubbly are different. Two different things. Bubble bath. You're talking about bubble bath. Mr. Bubble. Yeah, Mr. Bubble. But also like Perrier. Models. Models, sure. Yeah, so like that sort of stuff then I think that's, then yeah,

then you should host a podcast. Then you'll be super successful. We all know that hosting a podcast is the quickest and cleanest path to financial success. Yeah.

It's a straight line. And in many ways, if I may add to that, also security yes right and I think that that's important

a future health benefits things like that and respect that's the thing that's the thing that a lot of people don't talk about

there's so much respect in podcasting and I wouldn't say anything on a podcast you know what I mean like that it wasn't like just full to the brim

with respect and respectability like everything I say on a podcast, I would say at the UN. A hundred percent. I would. I see you have a stack of papers because you prepared notes. Lots of notes. And you have one of those little name plates in front of you too.

And there's a translator. There's a earpiece. Yeah. Well, I did come from the UN. And I'm going after this as well. Our studio is not that far from the UN. It's not that far from the UN. If you think about it.

It is though, I mean. I work for Tunisia. There's nothing more validating than finally starting your podcast. You know, the dream you've had since you were a little babe. A wee babe. Finally getting that podcast off the ground and knowing, man, for once in my life, all my relatives over 50 are going to respect me and understand exactly what I'm doing with my life. That's the thing. That's the thing.

Immediately it's going to be clear, though. Yeah. My grandma's, like, obsessed with my podcast. She's like, I love opening the podcast app, which is something that I can do. So that she understands. And it's like, listen to you talk. I've rated it. I've reviewed it. Yeah.

I send it to my friends who are also old and they know exactly what's going on. They get the algorithm. They really do. They get the algorithm. They're kind of shifting the algorithm. Sure. In many ways.

Aren't we all? But the iconography, the basic premise is that you pick an icon of the moment and debate whether or not they're going to stand the test of time. Right? Is that a good summation? Someone comes on with someone they love and then we talk about them for an hour. Right. Play games, have good chat, fresh banter.

Which I feel like is a thing. Good chat, fresh banter. Which I feel like is a thing, I mean, this podcast kind of came out of that David and I used to do where we would pick someone and go like, wait, let's like go through their career one by one. The two of you are a little more forward thinking, I feel like. In what way? You're a little more invested in like the present of what they're doing and what are they going to do next and what should they do next. Well, we almost did, one of our original ideas was like picking one person and doing 10 episodes about them. And so we were like,

what if we spent 10 weeks talking about Tom Cruise? Yeah. Sure. I mean, you never run out of time. We never run out of stuff. Yeah. That's the thing.

But some people you do. Really, it's like Tom Cruise and then there's kind of a drop in people you can talk about for that long. Will Smith, Meryl Streep, Oprah. But it's like, I don't want to talk about, like, I don't know. Carly Rae Jepsen.

Carly Rae Jepsen for ten weeks. No, I mean, she's nine at most. You could get nine good ones out of her. Nine and a little bonus 15 special. That's emotion side B. She could get a mini. She could get a mini-sode. She's a mini for sure.

Emergency mini-sode? No question. Emergency. she could get a mini she could get a mini emergency mini no question but one of the games you do on your show Vroom Vroom ah yes where you try to come up with a vehicle

for someone who deserves recognition hasn't gotten hasn't gotten an Oscar to get the Oscar and this in retrospect is such a perfect

slam dunk Vroom Vroom for Anne Hathaway I know in a way I think we didn't even really realize at the time. It's insane. We didn't give her any. Well, at the time, this was her coming out as a serious actress party.

Yeah. Even though she had been in Brokeback Mountain. Yeah, but she was the most disrespected of the four. The only one of the four who was totally, flatly disrespected. Even though she's so fucking's doing work back then. She's doing the work. On the phone? On the phone. On the phone is her best scene. She's in it the least, I would say.

Of the four. Yeah. But when she's there, it's like... She fills the space. It's iconic. Yeah. Yes. But this, I feel like at the time... 2008 was a hard year, though. It was a hard year. Because there were heavy hitters. there was so much well we all know

who won best actress that year of course the best performance in the history of cinema Kate Winslet in The Reader yeah a performance we talk about all the time and here's the thing also

that movie is infallible it's so perfect yeah it's a perfect movie and I'm always like ooh what if like hot Nazis could fuck you know what I mean

and then I'm like fuck they did it already in The Reader yeah I have not seen that movie I think all the time about that Hugh Jackman joke from the monologue

that's like, the reader, I still haven't seen the reader. It's like, that's me. I'll never see that movie. And then she won. And then she won.

And that's an example of a movie where I kind of think that 30% of the people who voted for her hadn't seen it. Do you remember how that went? Well, they thought it was going to be

a double nomination year for her. I was going to talk about it, but you can go right ahead. Reservation, not Reservation. Revolutionary Road. We all got there. Yes, we all got there. Was going to be her best lead actress play. Because that was her big deal movie with her husband reuniting Jack and Rose.

And Michael Shannon. And then they were like Michael Shannon. The gang's all here. The gang's all here. People forget that Michael Shannon played the anchor.

Yeah, he was. In Titanic. Because he's really doing subsurface work. Right. He also did mocap for the iceberg. And also David Harbour

played the harbour. David Harbour did play the harbour. That was an extremely good joke. I think he's in Revolutionary War Road and his name is Harbour. I like that. What is extremely? I think it was just an extremely good joke.

I just really think David fucking destroyed that. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Hey, Ben. How you doing? I'm good. I'm hungover. Yes.

David Harbour really been in it. What do you mean? He's just kind of been around for a while. A long time. He's so good in that movie. He's kind of like the way that Sam What's- he's so good in that movie he's kind of like the way that like Sam what's his face

well just like you're like oh yeah you've been around Sam who Sam what's his face Moon oh Rockwell yeah

Sam Moon Sam Moon but yes Kate Winslet I believe Revolutionary Road was a Paramount Vantage

Dreamworks production big Christmas reader was Weinstein and so Weinstein even though she's the leader of the reader Weinstein's like Paramount Vantage DreamWorks production. Big Christmas release. The reader was Weinstein. And so Weinstein, even though she's the lead of the reader, Weinstein's like, fine, she'll be supporting.

I would argue she's supporting in that movie. She's not. It's crazy. I think she's supporting in that movie. No, there's two leads, her and the boy.

I think the boy's the lead. Yeah, and she's the other lead. I think she's not in a lot of the movie. She disappears for a long chunk. No, she's the other lead, though. She is. I don't know about this.

She is. She was also top film. Why are you? You're looking at me very seriously. She's very much the lead. Not seriously. I just am confused. I feel like there's 40 minutes where she's gone when he loses the movie.

You can still be a lead. She's the lead. She's literally the other lead. Putting her in. This is crazy. I think she's the second lead, but I think she's a very distant second. Putting her in supporting was crazy I think she's the second lead but I think she's a very distant second putting her in supporting

was an outrageous move and the Academy like so she got the Globe she wins both Globes she won both Globes she wins best actress

and best supporting actress that year people are addicted to a narrative that's why they loved the narrative it was like overdue

it's time you know nom for Revolutionary Road like you know the other award bodies Revolutionary Road. The other award bodies were like, fine. Revolutionary Road, also boring. Terrible, terrible movie. But they were like, fine, we'll play your game.

I think she's better in Revolutionary Road than she is in The Reader. Yes, but neither has sort of heard her best, in my opinion. And then the Oscars were just like, no, what? No, forget Revolutionary Road. It sucks. And they just put her in lead. Well, just put her in lead. Well, just put her in lead for the reader.

They corrected all the bullshit. But you saying it that way makes it sound like the entire Oscar voting body had a meeting and strategized this. It kind of felt that way because it just happened. It's kind of crazy when that shit just happens. It's the same with Whale Rider. Yeah. Where she got supporting nominations in every precursor

because that's what they were doing. It makes no sense. She's the lead. Zero sense. But she's a kid. The whale. Yeah. Oh. Where she got supporting nominations in every precursor. Which makes no sense. She's the lead. Zero sense. But she's a kid. The whale. Yeah, I was going to say, who else could be the lead of that movie? You're being crazy now.

Obviously, the lead of The Whale Rider is the whale. She was the rider. It's the ocean. Yes, yes. The ocean is your way. If your movie has the ocean, the ocean is your way. And the ocean was going to the governor's ball and going to the dinners. But no. And the Oscars were just like governor's ball and going to the dinners. But no.

And the Oscars were just like, no, she's lead. Got invited to the Met, too. Was doing the CFDA rounds. Really made good with Anna Wintour that year. And that was a big invite because the ocean took up most of the Mets. You couldn't invite anyone else that year. No. Just Anna and the ocean.

She had a good time. I heard. I love a wet Met. But. Just Anna and the ocean. She had a good time. I heard. I love a wet mat. But once she got once that happened she was gonna win. Yes. Right. If you look at the list. Who else was nominated that year?

Here we go. Hathaway. That was the year that supporting was like hot though. Well we can talk about that but first I want you guys to guess the other nominees. Okay. 2008. So Hathaway is one. Hathaway. N, we can talk about that. But first, I want you guys to guess the other nominees. Okay. Hathaway is one. Hathaway.

And Kate Winslet. Winslet. Then you have a major movie star who has an Oscar and it's her only other nomination. Oh, and it's a bad performance in my mind. I don't mind it. It's not my fave.

Angelina Jolie and Changeling? Changeling, right? Correct. Horrifying. Then you have A National Nightmare. A huge Oscar winning star who's been nominated many times.

One of her worst performances in my opinion. Wow. Yeah. Some people like this performance. Multiple Oscar winning? Or just the one? She has multiple Oscars.

Not doubt. Okay. Okay, so this is Wait. I pointed at Ayo. Yeah, because this was the year that Viola, everyone was like, who are you?

Sure, sure. Because iconic 12, I mean like 42 second scene. And everyone was like, bitch, you can crouch your nose. Which she does. Which she does. She does it very well. I think I'm going to get a hole put in my nose. So that you can just like snot right out.

Just snot right out, easy. That scene is so good. And Meryl is just kind of you know she has such doubts. I think Meryl's really good. She's terrible. Meryl is actually everyone is so good

in that movie. I don't love that movie. You think it's one of her worst performances and you've seen Mamma Mia 2? Wait. Have you seen Mamma Mia 2? What is going on?

She's not even like in Mamma Mia 2. She only has one song. She just like shows up. Meryl is actually bad in The Iron Lady. She's terrible in The Iron Lady. She's bad in The Iron Lady. That's bad news.

Ricky and the Flash. Doubt is bad news. Ricky and the Flash, which you guys are going to talk about. We're going to get there. We're going to get there. Julia Julia also. She's good in Julia and Julia. Amy Adams is bad in Julia and Julia.

I think Amy Adams is good in Julia and Julia. She just wants to throw her out the window. It's like a horribly written, it's like, oh, I'm hanging out in Paris, this is gorgeous, and then she's like, my giant apartment in Queens is so sad. But that's right.

Chris Messina doesn't do anything but love me, and I hate him. He is cute. You want to talk about people who've been around forever? I watch Rounders on Netflix. Chris Messina's just in one of the poker games. Isn't Rounders fun? Yeah, but it's one of those things where you're like, right, Chris Messina's like the same

age as Matt Damon and Edward Norton, and they were movie stars, and Messina was just told like, you're going to have to wait 15 years. Every time I watch You've Got Mail, I'm always, and he like shows up in like the big bookstore being like, do you know where this ballet book is? I'm like, oh my gosh. He's so cute. You've just been around. You've been working.

Wait, also in this movie, in Rachel Getting Married, Sebastian Stan. Sebastian Stan. We're going to get to that. We're going to get to that. But just being a pupil. We have one nominee.

He wants his fucking Zippo lighter. He needs it. That is a real. What, you're just going to go torch the self-help library again? That is a real, like it's a real performance. He's doing some amazing hair acting.

Exactly. It's hair, it's hands, it's eyes. He's like, I'm going to do everything. I'm going to do everything for Demi. This is going to the front of my reel. Okay, wait. We have four out of five. The fifth is a character actress. She later wins an Oscar.

Famous for self-campaign. Melissa Leo for Wind River. Correct. No, not Wind River. Frozen River? Consider. Consider. Famous. This was her. No, no, not Wind River. For, um... Oh, Frozen River? What's it called? Consider, dot, dot, dot. Yes. Famous. This was her... No, no, that was...

No, no, no. That was the fighter. The first she won for. This was her first nomination. Yes. She's good in that movie. There is a movie that has been buying out

Deadline every day. It's called, like, Mountains of Fire or something. Okay. And it is directed and... I'm sorry. It is written by a woman who is the wife of like some sort

of Greek business mogul. True. Sick. Adapted from her own self-published novel. Who am I? Produced by a production company that he founded to help her make this movie and distributed by a distribution company that he founded after no one bought this movie. That's love, baby.

What are you talking about? Should I do that? Yeah, we're going to marry Rich. Directed by a guy who on IMDb, his main credit is that he has directed some of the most beloved DVD menus of all time. I swear to God. That's what it says in his bio. You can direct a DVD menu? That's what they claim.

His only other credits are DVD special features for Terminator 2. They keep on buying out all of Deadline with Melissa Leo style confidence. Good. And what they're doing is it's Consider like Mountains of Fire

or whatever it's called. It's some Greek period love war epic with Christopher Plummer and Patti LuPone. What? Huh? I'm sorry.

Griffin, wrap this up. I swear to God. And on their ads, on their campaign ads, their FYC ads, they just put Laurels around every name as if it had won.

As if they had already won prizes. Yes. That rocks. That's a good scam. Best Supporting Actor, Christopher Plummer, and they just put Laurels. I'm cutting you off.

All right. That's enough of that. I think that was interesting. I was done. Wait, can we talk supporting? I wanted to give you the Supporting Actress nominees. That's why I'm cutting you off

Penelope Cruz wins Penelope Cruz wins for Vicky Cristina she marches to her win I feel like that was just kind of like happening sure

did you agree that was just she just sort of got it right away I feel like the only conflict was potentially Winslet and then once Winslet was lead there was nothing left

right right then you have Amy Adams and Viola Davis for doubt I was pissed I was pissed they didn't win I was pissed. I was pissed. They didn't win. I was pissed they didn't win.

Dual win. That would have been cool. Would have been amazing. Then you have Taraji P. Henson for The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, which she's so good in. She's so good in that movie. It's so bad and she's so good in it. Rude. That movie is okay.

Yeah, I think that movie is aggressively okay. For how good she is. I want to do Fincher to talk about that movie because I haven't seen it in years and I feel like maybe it'll stand up nicely. Oh, I feel like revisiting it.

Oh, I don't know if it would stand up nicely. I watched it a few months ago in a hotel room and I was like... It was not working. He's like a little old man. That's also when I rewatched

the reader. And then he grows to hot and then baby. In Benjamin Button that happens? That's correct. I think... Wouldn't it be fun if Baby Yoda turns out they're Benjamin Button that happens? That's correct. Wouldn't it be fun if Baby Yoda turns out they're Benjamin Button-ing?

I was making this connection yesterday because I learned I haven't watched The Mandalorian but I learned that Baby Yoda is 50 years old. Which is a fun twist. I was like, oh, a 50 year old baby like Benjamin Button. He's not Benjamin Button-ing. He's gonna get old

they grow really slowly they just grow slow I think I love Baby Yoda but I don't care about Star Wars I like haven't

watched any of it but I did Baby Yoda is very important and we must protect him how are you gonna watch it

I'm gonna find someone with a password yeah can I get a login David you have a login David David can I get

a login David do you have like a press login David I wanna watch even Stevens and then tweet about it irreverently David please a login, David? You have a login, David? David, can I get a login? David, I want to watch Even Stevens and then tweet about it irreverently. David, please. For the low price of $6.99 a month or whatever. David is

on the Disney payroll, of course, because he's a critic. Right, yes. That's why I gave Frozen 2 a negative review. Right. Did you? Is it bad? It's okay. It's all over the place. It's a long conversation. David, let it go. What I was going to say is I think Brad is bad

in Benjamin Button. I kind of like the movie. Why are you afraid of hot people? I'm not afraid. The scene... You're shaking. You're literally shaking. The scene where Brad rides the motorcycle. Yeah, that scene in the movie. One of my formative horny memories. Absolutely. Really hot.

Yeah, I just watched GIFs of that on Tumblr back and forth. It's like featured prominently in that trailer. I just think his old man performance is bad. I want to re-watch the movie. Because old people are bad. It's actually really brave. We actually just haven't thought about it hard enough. It's actually maybe a detailed accurate performance. The fifth nominee

was Marisa Tomei for The Wrestler and she's great in that. You heard this story. My favorite story when I worked at ABC Kitchen I saw Marissa Tomei eating lunch with Deepak Chopra and sobbing

after she lost and she was crying and she was like why can't I ever do anything right? She has an Oscar and is great. She should chill out.

She's doing amazing. She wanted to win. She wanted to win. I mean she's great in that movie. I love Marissa Tomei. I would marry her today if she asked. She wouldn't ask you. She doesn't know you.

She doesn't know me. You're also already engaged. That's true. Too forky. Yes. Did I ever tell the story on the podcast? She also dated Logan Marshall Green, which is just a wild ass thing that she did. Yeah.

When he was like 25. Yeah. Yep. did Logan Marshall Green, which is just a wild ass thing that she did when he was like 25. Yeah. Did I ever tell the story on the podcast that I saw Darren Aronofsky do like a Q&A? You have definitely talked about this on the podcast, haven't you? I think so. Or have I just told you in our private lives? In our private lives and Tamara Jenkins'

private lives. When we were in the theater watching private lives. Have we never talked about this on the podcast? Maybe. I kind of want to spill it. Alright, fine. to spill it Then we have to talk about Rachel getting married We're going to talk about Rachel getting married I mean it's probably been like 30 minutes That's my internal clock We're ahead of schedule right now

Did you like the noise I made? Yeah, the wrestler Right after it loses the Oscars Darren Aronofsky did this Q&A And someone asked him a question about Mickey Rourke and he was like, fuck it, the Oscars are over. He's a nightmare.

I spent the last six months trying to sell the narrative that he's rehabilitated and he's the fucking worst. He's a baby. And he just started spilling all the Mickey stories. He's like a child and he's lazy. He looks like a nightmare. He didn't want to do the movie.

He just has nightmare energy. Right. I told him, Mickey, you're unemployable. No one's going to give you a shot ever again. This is your only opportunity. If you fuck this up, your career is over. It's already dead. No one else is going to do this for you.

I'm the only one who's willing to stake themselves on you. Whoa. And even still, every day he'd do one take and be like, I'm not feeling it and want to like leave set. Oh my God. And he was like, the only thing I could do was treat him like a fucking little league coach and just like yell at him and be like, you're a coward and you're a baby and you can't do this.

Everyone was right. You're a shitty actor. Did Mickey Rourke break Darren Aronofsky? Maybe. But the big thing he said was Marissa Tomei and Mickey Rourke hated each other. Yeah, obviously. Because she's a sweet angel. Right.

And she was a pro. She was a pro. She comes prepared. She does the homework. She gets it in the first take. Right. But Mickey's like a nightmare. And he has to spend like six hours coaxing one usable take out of him.

So he would, first thing in the morning, try to just get a two shot of the two of them. Well, that's why Marissa cried. Yeah. Yeah. Or, no, I'm sorry. I flipped it. First thing in the morning, he found the PA that Marissa had a crush on. And he would shoot Marissa's coverage with the PA off-camera so that she had chemistry.

Oh, my God. That's hot. That's crazy. And then, keep going, keep going. Then, he would bring in Mickey for the two shot. He would get it just as like connective tissue because there was barely going to be anything usable with both of them in the frame. Right? Oh my god. Then he would wrap

Marissa and then he would bring in the PA that Mickey had a crush on and have her do the off camera. That's scary. That's scary. I also think being the girl PA in this situation would be frightening. It's bad. Very frightening.

It's bad. But the moment when they have to kiss in the movie and there's one kiss, Marissa was like, Darren, you're getting one second out of me. And he had five cameras on set. And he's like, the kiss is like that one second cut up from several different pieces angle shot from only one take oh my god to make it seem like

it's an actual genuine kiss and there you go it's a great story wow I do love Marissa for setting a boundary and being like

I'm not totally making it work I was like no no he looks like Phil he looks so bad and it's so sad because he used to be like

handsome so pretty and such a hottie that's like He looks like Phil. He looks so bad. And it's so sad because he used to be like... Handsome! So pretty. And such a hottie. That's like drugs, drinking, bad plastic surgery. Yeah, boxing. He like really fucked his face up. I forgot. That's his claim is that he never had plastic surgery.

He just boxed too hard. Because we all know all boxers look like Mickey Rourke. No, there's like expired fillers in there. Yes. There's like Botox too early. Like when people hopped on the ship a little bit too early when they were still experimenting.

His face is very strange. It also looks like he got skull extensions. The entire shape of his head is different. He's always had a big head. He has a huge head. Some of our most beloved actors do, as we know. That's how you look like an average 5%. Anne Hathaway! He does have a huge head. Yes, it's definitely evolved in strange ways. Some of our most beloved actors do, as we know. Of course.

That's how you look like an average five-person. Anne Hathaway. That's true. I was going to say Sebastian Stan. Oh, sure. Anne Hathaway. I can confirm Anne Hathaway has a huge head. Really?

Because I, one summer. Does she have sort of the bobbly, kind of big head, small body? Okay, yeah. So she is actually very tiny. I always thought she'd be kind of tall, but I worked at Shakespeare in the Park one summer. Congratulations. Thank you. And she came to a performance, and I was the person handing out the programs. And I handed her, and I was like, oh, do you need help getting to your seat?

And she's like, no, I got it. And I looked at her, and I was like, oh, that's Anne Hathaway. And my second thought was like, oh, she has a huge head. Wow. And she's like my height. I'm like 5'4". She's really tiny. I saw Uma recently. Big head? At a play. Big head on Uma? Kind of a big head. Wow. And she's like, she's like my height. I'm like 5'4". She's like really tiny. I saw Uma recently.

Big head? At a play. Big head on Uma? Kind of a big head. She's tall. I can see that. She was taller. She's very tall.

I was very surprised how tall she was. She's like 5'10", 5'11". She's 5'11". Wow. Yeah. She reads to me

as a tall person. Yeah. She's a tall person. Big head though. Surprise. Well, I guess to scale. Is Ethan tall?

Hawk? Ethan Hawk? No. I think Ethan's shorter than her. He's kind of like 5'9 or 10. Ethan Hawke is 5'10. I think he's an honest 5'10. I'm going to go 5'9 and a half and he rounds up. He's a regular sized person. But most actors who are 5'6 say they're 5'10.

So 5'10 usually feels like a false height. With him, I think he's actually close to 5'10. He has a good 5'10 energy. they're 5'10". Exactly. So 5'10 usually feels like a false height. With him, I think he's actually close to 5'10". He has a good 5'10 energy. He's got a solid he's confident enough without being too arrogant. Rachel Getting Married starring Sebastian Stan.

It's just funny that he's first listed. It really does open and it's like Sebastian Stan. At the time, you're probably just like, oh, who's this? And now I'm like, oh, Sebastian's. It was awesome.

There's a few people in this movie who did that for me. Sure. Okay, there's this guy, Bo Shaw, who plays the, like the friend of Tunde Adepimbo,

who's the guy from TV on the radio. Yes. So that's kind of, he's one of those guys for me, Tunde is. And then also Bo Shaw did like Def Jam poetry. And I just like, I used to like watch a lot of those. He's the guy with the shaved head, wears the sunglasses during the speech. Oh, those sunglasses are so like 2008. It's like the whole movie is just like, oh my God.

My notes, I just keep writing 2008, 2008. Because no other time could you just see these two people having an Indian wedding. Oh my god. With all their little tchotchkes when they're setting the table. It's adorable. And somebody who was planning their wedding around this time and so out must have been like, oh, we have to have little nameplates with little figurines. The cake is like

the elephant yes that feels especially 2008 where they've attached the name tags to different figurines different types

of figure representations of living creatures to organize the tables it is beautiful when a movie is such a time capsule without trying

to be hip yeah yeah yeah at the moment it was made. I think it embraces their uncoolness in a weird way. They're just like these crunchy, annoying hippies, but in sort of a well-meaning way.

So you're kind of on board with it. When I was reading up on it and reading as much as I could, people kept on referring in sort of like writing about the making of the film Bill Irwin's character being a music executive.

Do they ever say that in the movie? They might briefly allude. Not really. But the idea is that's why there's all these musicians around and stuff. Oh, I love the musicians always just kind of being in the background. That was Demi's concept. No score, just musicians around. It feels like Shakespearean was Demi's concept no score just musicians around

making music it feels like Shakespearean almost it's always like a troupe of rustic players it feels like a play right because he was like

I want to do a movie my whole career I've been trying to find a good excuse to do a movie with a live score where you actually have musicians

on screen playing music improvising based off of what's happening in the scene yeah well he's got taste

he loves music loves music because I feel like you've got this script that's sort of like a pretty intense bare-bones family drama. Jenny Lumet,

who had been an actress, was in a bunch of Sidney Lumet's movies. Her father. Correct. Then acts a little more outside the Sidney Lumet canon. And then...

Mary's Bobby Cannavale, which I respect. Mary's Bobby Cannavale. Iconic. Big mood. Who wouldn't, you know? Big mood. And then her career's Bobby Cannavale, which I respect. Mary's Bobby Cannavale. Iconic. Big mood. Who wouldn't, you know? Big mood. And then her career kind of like disappears.

And she's teaching drama at a high school in the city. I think maybe even a middle school. What? In the city. Wow. Writing spec scripts that she can't get made. And she finally says to her father, my dream is to have Jonathan Demme direct this can you

pass it along to him nepotism at its finest but he reads this and goes oh this script's actually really good and agrees to make it I feel like Demme's in kind of a weird period because he's coming off of his like his remake did he change ring?

he did Mentoring Candidate and Truth About Charlie Back to Back which is the remake of Charade, not Changeling and those two are coming off of Beloved but also he's also been in his big documentary he's been churning out the docs

that's the big thing he's done like The Agronomist one of the Neil Youngs, there's so many of those and the Jimmy Carter one the Neil Young, one of the Neil Youngs. There's so many of those. And the Jimmy Carter one. The Neil Young songs in this. Yeah. Yes, yes. But I think he was tired of making these like massive studio dramas.

Like he made like three studio dramas that cost like over $60 million in a row. Yeah, sure. And all kind of underperformed. Big studio movies with big stars. Manchurian did good. Did okay. But the other one was less maybe. Right. Gets big stars. Manchurian did good. Did okay. But the other one was less, maybe. Right.

Gets the script. Manchurian had the Denzel thing. Yes. Denzel will just get you more money. Yes. But this was also the Denzel ceiling. Sure. He's not going to make $300 million of the box office, but he'll probably get you near

$100 million. Because I think Denzel doesn't. A measly $100 million. It's very good. A measly $100 million. I love $100 million Because I think Denzel doesn't. A measly $100. I love $100 million. I'd love it right now. I get so excited when a movie hits that century mark. I know, well we're silly babies. I want to throw a parade.

I want to give them a trophy. But, yes, I think he sees the script. He's like, I would like to make something that's intimate and character based and I can use the style I've developed with my documentaries, especially now because mumblecore is such a thing.

Yes. Yeah, that's just firing up. Right, they've sort of broken the ground for like, you can make this kind of movie with like,

consumer cameras, high end consumer cameras, or pro-sumer cameras. Yes. Okay, that's our fault. Mm-hmm. And, apparently immediately wanted Hathaway.

He had always wanted her. He saw her at a party or a screening or something years earlier and had been like, wow, look at her. I should do a movie with her. He hadn't seen her perform. He just saw her as a person. I'm sure he'd seen her perform.

Did he see Princess Diaries? I want to believe you. I would love to believe that Jonathan Demme saw Princess Diaries and was like that girl is a talent because she is

good in that movie she is incredibly good in that movie that movie's great it's insane that that is it still holds up oh totally

Princess Diaries holds up more than The Reader no question what are you looking at David the Rachel Getting Married website oh my god

I miss movie websites and when you can go and you can get a wallpaper for your computer a Rachel getting married wallpaper

for my computer does this website have buddy icons aww AAM buddy icons yeah I don't think so but I do remember

that Muscle of Dogs the great a great film it's official website had, check the showtimes, I'm not seeing any showtimes. It's linking me to movie phone, which I believe does not exist anymore. Oh, I miss movie phone. Well, there you go. One day maybe.

No, there's no need. I don't need it. I just miss it. But Muscle of Dogs, the official screensaver was just a dog would come up to the screen and lick it. Wow. And then another one would come up to the screen and lick it. Wow. And then another one would come up to the screen and lick it. So it was like a dog was inside your computer licking the screen.

That's awesome. It was my screensaver for many years. That's perfect technology. Yes, it was. That was the apex of technology. And then I guess we just gave up on screensavers. It was just, it was kind of that. Everyone uses the defaults these days.

I feel like I don't have to create a screensaver. I'm going to start directing screensavers. DVD menus. This is huge for don't see creative screensavers. I'm going to start directing screensavers. DVD menus. This is huge for you. That's my new thing. It's going to be good. It's going to be high on the IMDb. It might be the next big space.

Yeah. I was definitely one of those kids where if I saw a movie and liked it, like I went to an afternoon Saturday screening with my father and my brother, and I liked the movie, I would rush home at 3 p.m., go to the official website, and download everything. Yeah. Like, I would just take the family computer, the Gateway 2000, and I would be like, it's all death to Smoochie now. Wallpaper, screensaver, icons.

So cool. You're such a cool kid. I was a cool kid. Would you cut one sheet out of Entertainment Weekly and put them on your wall? Because I would do that. 100%. Or the newspaper. Like the weekend New York Times where you get the colorful page, tape them up. Had Goldmember definitely on my wall, proudly on my wall.

You guys are looking at each other. That's where you lost us in terms of just age, I feel. Well, I was an Entertainment Weekly teenager. It was like a huge thing for me. And I would like cut stuff out. Or I would just like keep an issue that me and I would like cut stuff out or I would just like keep an issue that I really liked

just like forever and then I had to like go through all my stuff at home and I was like I don't really need this Entertainment Weekly from like 2010

I had a shelf in my childhood closet that was every Entertainment Weekly safe yeah they were good but then 10 years later

I just had to throw out would you flip to the bullseye first the only way to read an Entertainment Weekly yes although this was yeah they were good but then 10 years later I just had to throw out would you flip to the bullseye first the only way to read an entertainment weekly yes although this was this was

I mean it started pre-bullseye this was another age thing I remember when the bullseye came in and at first I was resistant you know

too glib for you this is an EW too quick too quick I want them to go deep EW also used to have like vlogs. I want them to go deep. EW also used to have vlogs circa 2008 that I used to come home from school and see what the staffers of EW were vlogging about that day. Very odd time in media where they were like, does this work?

I don't know. Do you remember when Diablo Cody had a regular column in EW? Yes. And it was clear that they reached out to her before Juno came out. And she agreed to do it. And then Juno came out. And she suddenly had a thousand jobs and didn't want to be writing it anymore. And they became sort of like just shopping lists.

Like it was just sort of whatever document she had lying around her house. I remember her blog too. Her blog was awesome. Really? She had a cool around her house. I remember her blog, too. Her blog was awesome. Really? Pre-Juno. She had a cool blog. She had a cool blog. That was back in the day, man.

You could have a cool blog. It's crazy to think about it now. I miss blogs. Me, too. Let's bring them back. Yeah. Let's do blogs again. That was the only thing. When I rewatched Julia and Julia where I was like, damn, you really could blog.

You really could just blog about whatever. I've got an idea for a blog. Okay, here's a question. Okay. Honest to blog. Honest to blog. Honest to blog. Here really could just blog about whatever. I've got an idea for a blog. Okay, here's a question. Okay. Honest to blog. Honest to blog. Here's my question. Which killed blogs harder, Twitter or podcasts?

Twitter. Twitter. Twitter. You think? Yeah, easily. Twitter completely destroyed the blog. You think that was the death? And the sort of RSS feed in general. That's the way also I think people now are like, like oh I can get a glimpse into your thoughts like and

like get a glimpse of like your voice. I suppose now newsletters is beginning to sort of crop up as like a blog ass. I actually really hate newsletters and I think also there's definitely a disdain because like in comedy you send one email to someone you're on one show with someone and then

all of a sudden you're subscribed to their newsletter. That's so rude. We have to have some sort of consent conversation here. I don't care. I don't care about which shows you're doing. There has to be an opt-in. There has to be. You can't automatically put me on that list. Let's go back

to the kinder days of 2008. Please. It's October 2008. Barack Obama is running for the presidency. It's October 2008. Barack Obama is running for the presidency. He's about to be elected a month from now. Rachel's getting married. Rachel's literally getting married. Played by Rosemary DeWitt in a charming and wonderful

performance. So good. I just want to shout out Rosemary DeWitt's Jennifer Grey-esque nose that I have a huge crush on. She's got a great profile. She's got a very distinctive nose. She's got a long face. A long got a very distinctive nose. She's got like a long face. A long, beautiful face. I am glad that you... Rosemary Durant

from the United States of Terror, a Diablo Cody show. Is this true? Oh, okay. I didn't realize she was on that. I remember when she was on that show with Ron Livingston. I mean, obviously the United States of Terror was Toni Collette and Toni Collette and Toni Collette and... I don't think they ever actually pulled that. Maybe they did. She literally wore

many hats on that show. Wait, do you know who was also in it? What's his name? Toni Collette. He was so good on that show. The crazy thing is that Brie Larson was also in it. Yes. I mean, it was a stacked cast. And also Toni Collette. Toni Collette was on it.

You always forget that Toni Collette was on United States of Terror. Well, I remember that she was on it but then also there was also and Toni Collette as Trucker Bill or whatever the fuck her fourth personality was.

What's the last time a movie did that? Multiple personalities? No, in the trailer billing people. Be like, split, excuse me. They just did it.

There was something that just did it. I swear to God. Really? There's some double movie that just pulled that. Oh, you know what does it? The Paul Rudd Netflix show. Yes, that know what does it? The Paul Rudd Netflix

show. Yes, that's one. The poster is Paul Rudd. Yeah, both above the title. But that thing where they build them as if they're separate people. Like the Norbit. The Eddie Murphy. What I always loved was just like, so many of those TV shows at the time, it was like,

this guy's got a family, and also, there's another thing about it one husband two kids and i'm like okay this is pretty crazy i know how multiple personalities i feel sick i feel absolutely fucking sick i don't care that she has a family like for the b story that was the draw for me I would fast forward through the altar scenes but whenever they were

on the family but like the original Sopranos poster yes Tony Soprano if one family doesn't kill the other one that's a gorgeous poster

one of them is just his family it is a great poster right because your family is actually crazy but it's like your family kill you and they're like oh my god

they're killing me and then these other families are like hey I'll kill you with a gun. Are you Italian? Yeah, I'm fully Italian. I'm a dirty non-Italian. Yeah, be careful about that.

Tread lightly, David. What if this round has come for me? I don't know. You would be done for. Yeah, okay. You would be whacked. He reads the script. He's been making documentaries. Mumblecore's been script. He's been making documentaries. Mumblecore's been poppin'. He's been stuck in over-budgeted studio land.

Terrible sentence. Mumblecore's poppin'! Mumblecore is poppin' hard. Yes. Everyone loves it. Funny ha-ha. Mutual appreciation. Yeah.

Has Hannah yet taken the stairs? Hannah, I believe, has taken the stairs at this point. I think that was 07. Have we heard about the beeswax? No, we Have we heard about the beeswax? No, we haven't heard about the beeswax.

Was there a Puffy Chair? Were you about to say beeswax kind of fucks? Yeah. It's a pretty good movie. The Bajowski ones are good. Puffy Chair was early. I feel like Puffy Chair was first wave. Puffy Chair stinks. That's a stinker. I liked it at the time and I cannot imagine how much I

would hate myself now watching it it's the Kevin Smith of that era yes a lot of those Amon Bacor movies where you watch it now and you're like

I get that this was different yes and that it was sort of exciting to see someone make something like this this cheaply with absolutely no good script

and kind of bad acting but now I'm just like hmm script's not good and the acting's bad wait why do I like this the Bajalskis are good the Bajalskis are good I think they all hold up

the other ones I think that hold up are the Aaron Katz films yeah yeah yeah well he's good and I think all the other ones are Garbaccio

yes Swanberg can suck a dick I mean thank you for saying this I didn't have to but you get Santa Hathaway. I just felt like

the winds of time hit me. Because I was trying to remember. I was like dazed out thinking about Joe Sombor. He initially wanted Paul Thomas Anderson to play the husband. Wait, in this movie?

Correct. Paul Thomas Anderson was going to play the Tenday Dempsey part. Okay, I think also that would make this a completely different movie This movie? Correct. Paul Thomas Anderson was going to play... I actually... That's... I mean... Okay. Whoa. Okay, I think also that would make this a completely different movie. Because I think one of the subtle things about it is this is an interracial marriage. Yes. And that adds to the whole... Yeah.

Paul Thomas Anderson. It's written by Jenny Lumet, who is mixed race. I don't know. I don't know what her script looked like. Because the movie is so non-scripty in a way. It's unclear. Yes. I don't know. I don't know what her script looked like because the movie is so non-scripty in a way. It's unclear. Exactly. But Paul Thomas Anderson did the table read.

Wow. And then a week later was like, I'm sorry, Jonathan. He was working on There Will Be Blood. He was in post-production and he was like, I don't think I'm going to finish this in time. I really need to focus on this edit.

Wait, this is crazy. He was that close to doing it. That's so nuts. How can I get him to act in something? I don't know. I really need to focus on this edit. Wait, this is crazy. She was that close to doing it. That's so nuts. How can I get him to act in something? I don't know. It drives me crazy that he never did anything like that before. I need to know what the table means.

Paul Thomas Anderson at example.com Okay. But Demi was like, he was really good. He was really charming. I always was trying to get him to act. A hottie. We all agree. Is there an alternate reality in which Paul Thomas Anderson has a little Spike

Jones-y side career where he's done a handful of supporting performances? When you said that, I immediately thought of Spike Jones playing the husband in Moneyball where he shows up and you're like, oh, Spike! What's up with the baseball? Who do you think could get Paul Thomas Anderson? Demi seems obviously... No, because he's like an icon.

I think Demi was the guy who could have gotten him. I think it would have to be one of his contemporaries. I think probably Spike could get him to do it. I think Tarantino could get him to do it. Any of the guys he kind of came up with in his generation, maybe. But Demi was the big one.

The only acting role... Demi is his idol. It's not just like a contemporary. It's like an icon. Yes. The only acting role. Demi is his idol. It's not just like a contemporary. It's like an icon. Yes. The only acting role I can think of, if you count this, that he has done is playing the Jonathan Demi analog off camera in two episodes of Documentary Now. Which is great. But what about that he's in Minority Report but no one can find him? Oh, right.

Apparently he's in Minority Report. There's like the scene where Cameron Crowe is on the train and he's looking at Tom Cruise. What? And that's, you're like, oh, that's Cameron Crowe, a cameo from a director. I understand this. Yeah, we love that. We know that. But apparently Paul Thomas Anderson is also on that train somewhere.

That's so hot to me. And he's like, even I can't find myself, but I'm on there somewhere. Because there are like eight directors in Minority Report. Yeah. What a funny little thing for Spielberg to be like, I'm just throwing him in there. Yeah, toss him in Minority Report. Yeah. What a funny little thing for Spielberg to be like, I'm just throwing him in there. Yeah, toss him in.

Why not? Toss him in my buddies. And that's not the same year, but Spielberg showing up in Vanilla Sky. Thank God. Was the weird like Yankee swap

with him and Kenny Crow. Ah, yeah. Son of a bitch, how you doing? I'm friends with Tom. You're friends with Tom. We're all friends with Tom we all hate vanilla sky

I mean do you like vanilla sky I kind of love vanilla sky I'm so so on vanilla sky you're thinking it about it you're like mulling it over I'm not that hard though but you hate it

you confidently hate it what do they say about cum in that movie isn't there a scary line about cum I swallowed your cum that means something when you have sex your body makes a promise means something when you have sex your body makes a promise is that

when you have sex is that the line yes when you have sex your body makes a promise so I swallowed your cum that means something she says that to Tom Cruise

Tom Cruise you're gonna report not true yeah just the two of us just looking at each other like no it almost means less

you can argue about whether or not it's true sorry it is my ringtone I swallowed your cum that means something It almost means less. You can argue about whether or not it's true. Sorry. It is my ringtone. I swallowed your comment. That means something.

Cameron Diaz crying. That's psychotic. I swallowed your comment. That means something. What I was going to say. Anne Hathaway. I was trying to remember how I got onto this. Vroom Vroom. Yeah.

Oscar vehicle. Yeah. A thing I think we didn't even have perspective on at the time But Demi seemed to tap into Was We've covered a weird amount of Anne Hathaway on the show That's true I took out last night

Because we did Nolan This is the seventh Anne Hathaway movie we've covered Wait so apart from the Interstellar Dark Knight Rises Right yeah The Intern Yes of course

Brokeback Mountain Of course Devil Wears Prada Ah yes that's right. And there's one other one I'm forgetting leading up to this is the seven. Les Mis. Not Les Mis. Who's another auteur that she worked with?

There's one other one I'm forgetting. There's seven. There's really seven? Let's see. I'm not seeing a seven. We didn't do Bride Wars. Oh, Alice in Wonderland thank you

which she is it? she is in she's the white queen oh yeah she was in it she does a lot of this that movie just doesn't yeah no it doesn't really hit

oh it doesn't haunt you at every waking moment you are very very lucky I see Alice in Wonderland when I close my eyes I'm so sorry residual light flashes. The thing that stupid people

throw at Hathaway as a criticism is like the drama kid thing, right? That's annoying. It's annoying and it's dumb and it's bad. That's wrong. That's what makes her a good actress. It's also literally like what you're

saying when people say that is like I can see her like trying or like I can see her like working and it's like acting is a job. Calm down. I want actresses to make it feel like they're not working and they don't care and it's just sort of like luck that they're this good at what they do.

She didn't feel natural to people I think. But I don't really buy that. I think that's wrong. I think that's not actually true. I think people were looking at press circuit things and being like, oh, you're a tryhard, so now we don't like you. But I also will say-

Her performance is herself, I think, the best ones. Yes. I don't think she really had that rep in 2008, I will say. That was later. I think she gets that rep post-2008 where people think she's looking for an Oscar. Her rep, of course, early on is that she is

in Disney movies. Yes, she's in Princess Diaries. She's in Ella Enchanted. She said that she felt stuck after that. No adult director. She does Princess Diaries 2. A royal engagement. In which they mattress serve.

Yeah, it's an iconic scene. Raven-Symoné. Yes. Julie Andrews on the mattress. And then she starts, she does a few... Really fun behind-the-scenes video. Of course.

I feel like she does Havoc in this way of being like, I am going to be in a fucking grown-up movie. Right. And it's the only way I can sort of escape Disney. And it goes direct-to-video. Yeah, that thing sucks.

And then she does Brokeback, which she's good in, but I feel like does sort of get the least respect. There's a princess-to-video. Yeah, that thing sucks. Yeah. And then she does Brokeback, which she's good in, but I feel like does sort of get the least respect. There's a princess-y thing to it, probably. And even if she gets the least respect, I think the mere fact that Ang Lee hired her gives her credibility with other directors. Yes, and so then she's in Devil Wears Prada, which is a hit.

Huge. Obviously, Meryl is like the big story about it, but still. And she talks about that she was like seventh choice. Everyone else turned it down she fought really hard to get that movie then she played Jane Austen

in Becoming Jane which is a terrible piece of casting and a terrible movie so don't worry about that okay I feel like that's sort of like

someone's idea of like a costumey Oscar movie I've already forgotten what you're talking about I can't believe we let her be British again after that

it's very normal. And then in 2008, she does this, and she does Get Smart. Oh, Get Smart. I literally saw Get Smart in theaters. I also saw Get Smart in the theater. Someone touched my boob during Get Smart. Really? Yeah.

Wow. Iconic. Deliberately or a brush? Just a brush. A brush bite. No, yeah, yeah. Yeah, deliberately. Isn't The Rock in that movie?

Yes. I went to Get Smart as, I didn't realize this at the time, but as a third wheel to two people who wanted to hook up. Yeah. It was a hook up movie. Why was Get Smart the horniest movie of 2008?

45 minutes into the movie, they left the theater, went to their parked car in the parking lot, and gave each other blowjobs. And you finished Get Smart. I was like, I'm going to stay here and watch it. What is there for me in the parking lot? Nothing. I'll finish Get Smart.

I'll ride this out until the end. With Rachel getting married, it's a serious role. She does a great job. I got felt up during Rachel getting married. Right? It would not have been allowed to get into Rachel getting married.

I did not see that in theaters. I saw it in theaters. Can I say one final thing about Get Smart? Sure. I didn't get felt up. Yes, I think I saw it by myself. Do you remember that in Get Smart? Are you okay?

Well, I moved to New York in 2008. Where? Huh? What? Will you pump the fucking brakes? You mean I'm done with my sentence? I think he's trying to pump them. That's the issue.

No, let me just explain. What David is saying is that he moved from Manhattan to Brooklyn in 2008. Because he was born and raised in New York. Okay, I get it. Sorry. I know he was born and raised in New York, and now he lives in Brooklyn. I moved to Brooklyn in 2008 from London. What?

Where I spent a lot of my analyst. Wait, how much time did you spend in London? 13 years. Wait, what's going on? It was the longest vacation. That's crazy long. Did you go to like secondary school? I did.

Did you get an accent? I did. But you dropped it? When I came back, it kind of went away. Did you feel persecuted for it? Yes. Yes, honestly. Where in London did you live?

Kenishtown. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, it was great. Like at a hotel? It was like an extended stay. You fucking piece of shit. It was like a Florida project thing? Was that like a youth hostel?

Yeah, the Kenishtown project. Dizzlington? Dizzlington. I first lived in Dizzlington, but quickly moved to Kenishtown. I was going to say something. Oh, so I just moved to New York. I didn't have a lot of friends, so I would see a lot of movies by myself including this one

you feel very British to me now now I am quite British now you see it and Rachel getting married wait wait I had a point to make the mic was in front of

a chunk of his face oh so now the part that his the mic was covering is the British part he's very British you can't see this because obviously

this is an audio medium but as soon as David started revealing I think his truth if I may say that about his British heritage which he's been hiding I think out of fear and shame

I don't want to project this is just what I'm reading your posture changed something shifted in you as you were able to tell the story of your liberation and I was able to see

your face for the first time. I started sipping tea too. Yeah, it's really crazy. He pulled a little whole set out from under the table. He's got one of those tall furry hats on. Oh, you mean like a member of the Royal Guard? Like I've got that on?

I don't know. They should host a podcast. Those guys? The Royal Guards? Those guys who famously don't speak? It would be like sound stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

I want to talk about... It was good as a bit and then people delved in too much. So I just wanted to know. I want to talk about and post this. Because bit and then people delved in too much so I just wanted to know I want to talk about and post this because I feel like this when she gets her nomination everyone's like good job what was the last thing you were going to say about Get Smart thank you we're never going to talk about this

it better not be about the rock getting small or big because you've already talked about it this is a different thing I want to talk about that I don't think it's discussed enough they were so on guard about the age difference between Steve Carell and Anne Hathaway being creepy, even though almost every studio comedy has an age difference that insane, that they explain in the movie that she is in her 40s, but she had surgery to look like she's in her 20s to go undercover. How many years older do you think

Steve is to Ant? 20. 25. Yes, you're correct. It's 20. He added on the number. I think the reason that they would be so off-put by that is because it's like when Leo does it, we're like, Leo's hot and it doesn't matter. And when Steve Carell, it was like pre-hot Steve Carell. And so people were like, this is weird.

Okay, wait. When do you think Steve Carell was at his hottest when was he like when was I think it was when he was doing Press for Foxcatcher I also think it was when he was doing

Press for Foxcatcher he does wear the gray well very handsome I agree can I say when I think he was hottest when way way back

I never saw that oh I like that movie it's kind of cute that movie is set way way back way way back they've got their Force Majeure remake coming out next year.

Ayo, thank you so much for that. Why are they remaking that? You're welcome. I don't know. I appreciate it. Anyway, but then post this. Here's some of the stuff she does post, Rachel. Okay, yes.

Bride Wars is her media follow-up. My hair is blue. No, it's Kate Hudson's hair who's blue. Oh, sorry. It's blue. I can't yell, but of course. Iconic moment. And then Valentine's Day.

I don't even remember what she does in that one. Psycho. Is she crazy in that one? Is she coupled with Patrick Dempsey in that movie? No. Wait. Oh, fuck. All of those movies blend together.

I'm thinking about New Year's Eve. What's the one with Halle Berry? Is that Valentine's Day or is that New Year's? That's New Year's? That's New Year's Because she plays Robert De Niro's nurse Who's married to common overseas in the war This straight up gave me attention headaches Let's get off Valentine's Day

Alice in Wonderland Love and other drugs Not a good one Rio One Day That's what I meant I can't believe we let her do that again Rio, One Day you know these are not hits One Day is a weird movie I can't believe we let her do that again the movie does suck

Rio is one of the best films of the decade that's when people start to get really kind of edgy about when does she host the Oscars that would be that's a great question I feel like her hosting the Oscars was peak because she spent so much time trying to like

make up for James Franco that it was just like her firing on all cylinders. And we were like, we hate this. And it was also crazy that that is like not even her fault, but just like the way that we- But she got tagged with it. Yeah, and that's like the way that we could process things. Franco's move was just like, this is going to suck, so I'm just going to turn off so that I...

Yeah, and everybody was like, we like that. We like that. Instead, her. What was the year when Hugh Jackman brought her up to sing? That's 08. That's this year. Got it, okay. That's her ritual getting married.

That's when people liked her. That's what I'm saying. Right, and that was also the, like, SNL was popping. They were like, we found the two young, hot people who have done well on SNL this season as hosts. So they'll nail it. They said that. They were like, Franco and Hathaway, we hired them because they were good on SNL. Like, if you think about it for two seconds, you're like, those energies don't work together.

It's horrible. Do you remember her defense was anyone would look like Tasmanian devil sharing a stage with James Franco? Yes. That was such a cutting line. It was such a dead weight that she had to deal with. But then in 2012 she does Dark Knight Rises or whatever and Les Mis. She wins the Oscar. She says it came true and I think

everyone is just sick to death of her. And now I feel like she's rebounded. Like people are, you know, people got over it. It's just hard to be the type of girl who it's like your whole energy is like you had an Audrey Hepburn poster on your wall yes you know what I mean it came true was such like a moment it came true was

it was like oh bitch we all practice in our mirror but you can't actually do the practice run don't do the practice run exactly Sally Field moment it took her a couple years but then when she's an interstellar and then the intern and then like Colossal.

Yes. And she's kind of the best thing about Ocean's 8. She's cool again in Colossal. Best performance. She's really good in Ocean's 8. So now I feel like people have sort of,

you know, gotten over all that bullshit. Although her 2019 was rough. Serendipity. What's Serendipity Hustle Dark Waters? Yeah. She's actually good

in Dark Waters. Yeah, but that's, Anne Hathaway should not be playing that role. Everyone in that movie I think is basically, it's like a charity donation. They're like, oh, Mark, he's raising issues. Sure, we'll be in the movie. Like, you know, this is his thing.

I'm hopeful for 2020 for her. Well, her 2020 is, she is in Zemeckis' remake of The Witches. She's the lead witch. The Grand High Witch, I'm so sorry. Set in Nolens. Robert Zemeckis doing a Nolens wishes. Never mind. Never mind.

Never mind. Never mind. I'm seeing this film as being brought up on high crime. Oh, you like some Roald Dahl gumbo? Oh, God. If she doesn't accent. Written by Kenya Barris. Nothing's easy.

No. No. This is fucking wild. Who's in that cast? Octavia Spencer? Yes. Stanley Tew. Here, look. Run it This is fucking wild. Who's in that cast? Octavia Spencer? Yes. Stanley Tudor. Run it down the full cast. We just gotta do this.

Run it down the full cast. No, no, no. First, screenplay credits. Kenya Barris, Guillermo del Toro, Robert Zemeckis. The three! The three! The big three! Ah! We really have to talk about Rachel Gunning. We do.

We will. We are, in a way. In a way. Cast. Anne Hathaway. Octavia Spencer. Stanley Tucci. Chris Rock.

What? This is extremely one of those movies where it's like, what are those people talking about? I don't know what's going on, but that's what is happening. That's coming out next year. Thank God. Okay, you trying to get zooted and booted to see that? Absolutely, bro. It's going to come out

in the prime Rachel getting married slot right before an election. Wait, are they running? Is it coming out in the fall? October 21st. As an awards play? And are they running as a Democrat or independent? It's running under the chaos slate. Gotcha.

That sounds great. She's supposed to do the Sesame Street movie. Alright, whatever. Whatever! That's gonna be something. I assume that'll be a smaller role. No, she's the human lead. I know that, but the Sesame Street ensemble, I assume. She was just in Modern Love, which everyone hated.

Yeah. That was just one episode, right? Yeah, yeah. You do one episode. Was she good in the episode? No. But also, Olivia, you cannot prove that Modern Love exists. That's fair.

I believe it was renewed for a second season. I think Modern Love is mostly Subway ads. Yes, it is. I don't think it's an actual show. It's direct Subway ad. It's direct to Subway ad. Dr. Zismore's Network. Yes.

What's the Subway as a food chain? Zismore Plus, yeah. You can get all this original content and teeth cleaning or whatever. What did Zismore do?

No, he did like... The fruit peel. Yeah, he did chemical peel. He had the fruit peel. Wait, who did? Dr. Z? Dr. Zismore. He was like the king

of the Subway ad. But Rachel got married. Is Rachel getting married? I gotta say, I love when she gets married I love the wedding oh you love

the like Rachel Rachel Rachel Rachel Rachel I think the wedding is really sweet

it's like really lovely even though it is hilarious that they're all in fucking stories and you're like oh my god

this would never be allowed the house is gorgeous the house is like It is hilarious that they're all in fucking saris and you're like, oh my God, this would never be allowed. It's 2008. It's just like, what it was. It is. The house is gorgeous. Gorgeous and huge. The house is like stunning. What I love about the house is that you don't know how big it is, but it feels like there's

like more room to just keep going. The backyard just keeps showing. It's like ramshackle. It's a house in Connecticut. They shot it in Connecticut. Did they say it was Connecticut or could I just tell? They mentioned Connecticut tax law. Yes. Okay. I mean, hey, no income tax in Connecticut. Did they say it was Connecticut? Or could I just tell? They mentioned Connecticut tax law.

No income tax in Connecticut. Welcome to Connecticut. Get your tax law. That's my Bill Irwin. Bill Irwin, a friend of Demi's. Incredible in this movie. He's TARS himself. He is TARS.

Mr. Noodle's brother. But do you guys respect and stand TARS himself. He is TARS. Mr. Noodle's brother. Mr. Noodle. Yes. But do you guys respect and stand TARS? Is that from Interstellar? The robot from Interstellar. He's inside that thing. Oh, yeah, wait.

He's TARS? He is TARS. That's great. Physically giving that performance on set. Absolute giver. Really? Oh, well, then we love that. We stand.

Doing all the things. Well, if he's a clown. Yes. He's a little clown. He's a tall clown. He's a tall clown. He's a tall clown. Yeah. I really want to see him live.

I saw him live once. Can I throw out a big brag? Yeah. He did a show with David Shiner. I'm really excited. Old hat. You're talking about old hats. I'm talking about full moon.

Oh, okay. It's called full moon. Well, he also did a show with David Shiner called Old Hats. Okay, but this one was called Full Moon. Yes, no, I know. We all know. And I went to see it on Broadway

when I was four years old and they brought me on stage. Oh. There was a bit where they picked a kid and would bring him on stage and put a hat on their head or something.

I did it. An old hat? So, I have a Broadway credit. Congratulations. One time I went to a Sinbad show with my parents. I did it. An old hat? So I have a Broadway credit. One time I went to a Sinbad show with my parents and he did crowd work with me. What? What did he say? Did he ask you where you were from or anything like that? Yeah, he asked me where I was from, what did I do, what was my hobbies,

if I had any questions or problems and then I told him. And then he solved it in a very funny way. Really? Yes. That's why that guy's a fucking pro. Because my dad wouldn't let me play sports because he thinks I'm a girl and I shouldn't play sports. And he gave a really funny answer. What was his answer? Let's talk about Rachel getting married.

Okay. So the plot of Rachel getting married is that Rachel, played by Rosemary DeWitt, is getting married. But you start out with Sebastian Stan. You do start out with Sebastian Stan. You do start out with Sebastian Stan. He wants a Zippo lighter. All he wants is a Zippo. And then Anne Hathaway

like fucked that nurse. Is that the implication? That's what it feels like. Because the nurse is like it was a mistake. It was a one time thing. And Anne never got your number and she's like

no, no, no. And then there's also Griffin if you can give me your hand. She does this sort of like Kim good luck. No, I just need one hand. But if you could give me your hand. She does this sort of like, Kim, good luck. No, I just need one hand. Okay. But you know what I'm talking about?

She does this sort of pat on the hand where you're like, oh, kind of intimate. The way you did it to me right now felt more disciplinary. Should I? Do it to me. Do it to me. Good luck to you, Kim. See, that's what friendship looks like, David. Good luck to you.

That's what it looks like. And there's like a gentle sort of thumb swipe. There's like a thumb moment. I'm a bad performer. Yeah. There's what it looks like. And there's like a gentle sort of thumb swipe. There's like a thumb moment. I'm a bad performer. Yeah. There's some good hand stuff in this movie. There's also the part

where they're cutting the cake and the mom puts her hand on Rachel. The pull away. And it's like very sweet but then she pulls away so quick. So Kim is in rehab played by Anne Hathaway.

She's going, you know, she's getting released for this wedding. Tars is going to pick her up. Tars goes to pick her up. He turns into like a little asterisk and he rolls down the road. Anna Deavere Smith. Yes. Which is crazy. Yeah. This also

was a movie where the whole time I was like what does Jonathan DeVee listen to? He goes to two concerts a week. He goes to some bar that has like world music night or whatever. An actual patron of the arts. He is. He was a Haitian art collector. He was.

He was obsessed. We have to talk about it. And you watch like this movie and you're like, okay, you have like emerging Broadway people, established people. You've got the lead singer. Annaleigh Ashford in the.

Yes, in the cookie mark. Annaleigh Ashford. In the cookie mark. Did I see you on Cops? Did I see you on Cops? That line is so good because you're immediately like, what did this girl do?

Yes, and you're also like, oh right, 2008. It was still a time where you could wake up at 3 a.m. on your couch and Cops was playing on the TV and that was just society. But you have like Maren Ireland at the wedding. There's another big Broadway person who has popped since then who I am forgetting. Hal Sparks is in the 12th step. Oh, yeah. Yes. But then you have. Oh, yeah. Yes.

But then you have Fab Five Freddie. Yes. You have an American Idol season one contestant whose name I'm forgetting. Tamara Gray. Yes. Yeah. Oh, she plays. She's a singer.

She's a singer. She's a singer. She's a singer. She's a singer. She's a singer. She's a singer. She's a singer. She's a singer.

She sings. Roger Corman. Roger Corman's among the audience. That's true. We already said Tinder, but he's the lead singer on TV, on the radio, and he's just there. Which is at its height. It is. They're the coolest.

It's peak. And he's still cartooning and shit. He's cool. He had been in this British movie called Jump Tomorrow, which he's really good in. He had acted before. He's very charming on screen. He had also been, do you know this, an animator on Celebrity Deathmatch. I know that his wife was

a part of the animation studio. The Pizza... Not Pizza Island. No, Pizza Island. With Kate Beaton and Julia Wurtz. And Lisa Hanawalt. Oh, Lisa Hanawalt. Meredith Grant. Octopus Pie. Grace Webb. So we're just living in a really cool universe right now.

Yeah, right. Everyone's cool. Demi knows cool people and he has good taste. And this movie, to some degree, feels like an excuse to just be like, I will pay to bring everyone here and see what happens. To this bomb-ass house in Connecticut. But in doing that, this is the only movie I have ever seen that actually feels like being at a wedding. Yes.

Especially if it's like a sort of one-location wedding where there's a lot of chaos and things at a wedding. Yes. Especially if it's a one-location wedding where there's a lot of chaos. And the energy of that because no one is just a background actor in this. The people who are in the background are like, is that the person from that band or that novel? Or the guy who plays the guy also. What's his name?

Matthew Zickle? Yeah. He is that guy. Back then, I? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that guy. He's just, he is that guy. Well, back then, I feel like he was in a lot of ads. He was, you know, he was like around. And he was like a state-adjacent guy. Yes, yes. He was one of those dramatic actors that the state members would use a lot in their shows.

Because he has like a voice. He's got like a sort of commanding, surrounding voice. He could do a lot of voiceover stuff. And he looks kind of like a cartoon version of a handsome person. Yes, exactly. He's very handsome, but he has that sort of like overly perfect macho vibe. So she, yeah, exactly. Kim gets to this thing, immediately

sleeps with the best man. Kim with a Y. Yes, Kim with a Y. Ben is adjusting my microphone. Kim with a Y immediately bangs the best man and is like, ha ha, isn't it funny? The maid of honor and the best man. Well, because they see each other at AA, right? And she like comes in

and she like knocks over all those chairs. Yes. Which is a fun little like character trait. Really good. A klutz. And she's a great physical comedian. She's very funny. Very good. But then she learns she's not the maid of honor. I just liked that. I just like that where she's like, obviously I'm the maid of honor.

And he's like, she has to like sleep with the fucking best man for him to be like, oh, I think it's like this random. The cool thing about this movie is that every scene, there's no scene where there isn't like a crazy conflict. Every single scene, there's like a problem. Except for the sweetest scene in the movie at the end. Oh, yes. But that's why that scene feels so problem. Well, except for the sweetest scene in the movie at the end, basically. Oh, yes. But that's why that scene feels so powerful. Finally, the tension is gone. Every scene up until then, it's like there's always a bomb under the table.

Right, even yet. 100%. I'm thinking about the plates, the dishwasher scene. Yes, well, that's the best scene. Oh, God. So good. So funny. So engaging.

I need more dishes. You're like so in it, and then just like cut. The air gets sucked out of the room. That scene is. Perfectly. I mean, Bill Irwin should have been Oscar nominated. Do you know that he won? When he cries on the couch, I love him.

Bill Irwin won Best Supporting Actor from the AARP Movies for Grownups Award. Did he? Good for him. Yeah. Let's see. Let's find out who he beat. That's right. We're going deep, my friend.

Yes, he did. Winger was also nominated's find out who he beat. That's right. We're going deep, my friend. Yes, he did. Winger was also nominated, but she did not win. She is also extraordinary in this one. She's great. Will Irwin is 69. He could absolutely still get it. Oh, he beat. Oh my god. What a group. Pierce Brosnan for Mamma Mia. Okay.

Malkovich for Burn After Reading. Pierce, they put in a supporting rather than lead? Yeah, he's supporting. The men yeah he's supporting the men are supporting all the men are supporting they all have one song and they all like come in and out and Pierce is bad at his song too

oh my god it's one of the most it is one of the most compelling and incredible moments in cinema watching him try I have truly yet to see it's incredible

a karaoke performance worse than Pierce Brosnan it's so bad it's incredible and he's like on the boat and he's having so much fun he's having the best time

he's having the best time it's so different from like he's like on the boat and he's having so much fun. He's having the best time. He's having the best time. It's so different from like Russell Crowe in Les Mis where it's like this seems miserable and bad. He seems upset. And Pierce Brosnan is like joyous.

Brosnan's like I'm just gonna go for it. Bill Murray for City of Ember. Wow. Dennis Quaid for The Express. Also not a movie for grown-ups. City of Ember. No that's a movie

based on a young adult. Very much for children. It got an AARP Movies for Grown-Ups nomination. Weird. He's just a grown-up in a movie. Yeah. Movies with grown-ups. That's a movie based on a young adult. Very much for children. It got an AARP Movies for Grown-Ups nomination. Weird. He's just a grown-up in a movie. Yeah. Movies with grown-ups.

The funniest thing is that Best Supporting Actress that year was a tie. What? Christine Baranski and Julie Walters for Mamma Mia. Good.

Cheers. We can't choose. Cheers. That's great. There you go. So that's who beat Debra Winger sure so Kim with a Y

oh and also the winner of best movie for grown ups who refuse to grow up Iron Man oh different era and thus we were cursed

Kim with a Y who one could argue was kind of cursed herself by being given that name Kim with a Y it's tough

I like that there's Kim with two Y It's tough. I like that there's- Him with two Ys? It's toxic. I love that there's the throwaway line about her being on the cover of Seventeen Magazine. Right. Because of the lilac sweater? Yeah.

Which it doesn't seem like she was a model ever. No, was it that- Because if the dad was a music exec, was it that she had a brief pop career? Yeah, it seems like that, but what does she say? She says she was like, they paid me and I was like high or something. And it's like, oh. What does

Rachel do? Do we know? She's a therapist. She's in school. She's studying to be a therapist. She's getting her PhD. As Bill Irwin points out during that. I've decided that I think that it's like pop. That she did music. Because I thought it was like a Disney thing. I think she was just a model. I think so too's like pop that she did music because I thought it was like a Disney thing I think she was just a model I think so too

you think she was a model? I knew a weird amount of people who just got I grew up in New York but I knew a weird amount of people oh god everyone grows up

in New York and like on 17 you used to be able to just be a model it wasn't like celebrity you had to be something and they would just like have people roaming

the streets looking for teenagers as creepy as that sounds. No, no, no. Being like, you have a fresh look. Teenagers, yeah. Yeah. That's like the whole Chloe Sevigny thing. Right, and most of them develop drug problems. Yes. I mean, they fit this. I know so many people like this character

who had that as part of like, oh, and weirdly I was once profiled in like Seventeen magazine. That wasn't what I did. I never did that again. And then you're just like an adult who says that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So then early on after sleeping with Matthew Zickle and then having a little confrontation over who gets to be the maid of honor. I love the lady, the totally random lady who plays the friend. She's just kind of a pain. I'm like really on Kim's side. I loved Emma though by the end

I know at the end I like the last shot of her it's great right right and also says a specific wedding thing if you're part of the wedding and you stay at the house

and you're just like oh hi and then you just see someone the next morning being like trashed after they've been the most made up

they will never be in their lives and it's like you just sort of like exactly making no effort for the next week all the fights and everything though too it's like they are all stuck in their lives and it's like you just sort of like exactly making no effort for the next week all the fights and everything though too it's like they are

all stuck in this house so it's like they can't even like there's like the most they can do is like go on the porch and smoke a cigarette or whatever right but then there's the big first big set piece is the rehearsal dinners the toast oh my god yeah that's the first kind of like what's actually going on yeah yeah yeah like how

intense is this and it's so good because the whole time, one, all of those speeches sound so real. They all sound so real. And also the whole, like the old uncle who does like the funny speech. Yes. And the grandma who's like, this is the heaven line.

And Sydney is simple. Simple. It's like the exact kind of wedding joke, wedding speech joke that actually happens. The exact type of laughter. If you googled like toasts to give it away, you'd probably get stuff like that. When the sister gets up and goes,

yup, it's the princess. And everyone just like laughs. It's such an honest moment, but it's also the thing that totally dooms Kim. Kim is like, oh oh I can just do that I can own what everyone thinks I am and the whole time

none of her jokes work she's like step ball change step ball change still waiting for the change and it's like but what I love love

one of the many things I love about this movie is that that could be in a more dramatic or more silly movie some big fucking thing and then instead it's like

it happens and everyone's like okay and we move on and they go back it's like it happens and everyone's like, okay. Yeah. And you move on. And they go back, there's three more speeches. Yeah.

Yeah. Everyone's just like, all right, well that was the, that was the weird speech. The thing she does so well, and this is the reason why I think Hathaway is so incredibly good

and it's such a smart use of her in this, is it's someone who is trying to perform well for everybody, who is like trying to exert an Anne Hathaway level of control on her surroundings and how people perceive her except she is totally failing yeah so you get the like Anne Hathaway like perfect poised kind of thing except it's wrong like her characterization and she's not reading the room right and then when she falls apart it's devastating but she'll do

this thing in the speech where she like makes a quote unquote joke. And then she takes a breath because she thinks there's going to be a laugh. And this is a place for her to like. By the middle, like the last half of the speech. Also, then she just starts laughing at her own jokes. Yeah. Which is like so brutal to watch. Oh, it's so good. But I just love that this is sort of what I'm trying to say.

It's like this is a movie about an addict who crashes her sister's wedding and she one does not ruin the wedding and two does not relapse

which are the two most obvious screenwriting things that you do when at the not to jump ahead but when she's driving at the end

and you're like any other movie would be like she's gonna go by drunk she's gonna do things and it's like no she's literally be like she's gonna go by drugs she's gonna do things and it's like no she's literally just distraught

she literally wants to die yeah I also think like this is one of the best movies I have ever seen period

yeah I think it's so good it's definitely one of the best movies of its decade wow

I think it's probably in my 10 for the 2000s so it's your number one of the best movies of its decade wow I think it's probably in my 10 for the 2000s so it's your number 1 of OA well you know 3 2 of my all time bangers are in OA is Synecdoche the other one and WALL-E yeah those are good

those are Hall of Famers for me this would be my number 3 but I maybe have 3 movies from 2008 in my top ten of the 2000s. Oh, it's a good year. Oh, it's a good year. It's a gorgeous year. It's a beautiful year. I saw Doubt, and I was like, oh, I love movies.

You were in. Yeah, there's Doubt right down there on the bottom of my list. Literally third to last? Yeah, third to last. That makes sense. This list is wild. Your bottom six is Twilight, Happening, Hulk, Doubt, Reader, Revolutionary Road. Yeah.

And I like Twilight. Twilight's a good movie. Twilight is a good movie. I mean, you know, it's imperfect, but it's some fun to be had there. What I was going to say. The top is good. It's a good top. Synecdoche, Happy Go Lucky, Dark Knight, Speed Racer, Rachel Getting Married is your top five.

Ben is losing it. Oh, Ben's used to this shit. Are you kidding me. He's been stuck with us for five years. Yeah. I'm at that point in the episode.

Great. That's great. Yeah. But I'm with it. OK. Yeah. Ben do you like Rachel getting married.

Did you watch. No. It's very obvious you didn't watch because if you'd watch I think you'd have a lot. You would love it. Because this is about a

scum bum. I know. I just I've been busy Ben's very hungover he's been very busy yes but I love weddings

and I love you would love this wedding I think you would it's a real kooky wedding the only thing she does out of the wedding stereotype

songbook is get laid she doesn't ruin the wedding but she also gets laid in the beginning and it's like it's never a problem. And like the romance

isn't like some big overarching scene. There's not some love triangle that plays out or whatever. There's no real problem with the wedding. Exactly. I mean,

she wants to wear gray instead of lilac. I guess that's her big disruption. She ultimately does end the game. Yeah, she fucks up her hair. But she fixed it

with the side part. Barely. I know. That's a chunky highlight. I watched all the deleted scenes, which unsurprisingly are like, there's another five minutes of speeches. There's like, every person who's in Al-Anon has their

own individual testimony. Where like, there's one of the Al-Anon meetings, there's a guy sitting behind her who looks like Fat Elvis. He's like a big guy with sideburns and a pompadour. And in the movie you're like,

oh, what an interesting face. Like Demi, just like collecting interesting people. And then he's got a deleted scene that's devastating about him serving

in Vietnam and getting addicted to combat the pain because that's what they gave him. Damn. Anyway, anyway, anyway. The thing I was going to say is

there's a lot more Mathersickle romance stuff that I think they wisely cut out where there are more scenes of them connecting or like kissing where it feels like that's more of a thread

and I love that you get them sleeping almost immediately together. At the very end, you have this nice note of like, oh, maybe they'll stay in touch. And in the middle, it's a lot of just her paranoia every time he talks to another woman.

But then he brings her the plate of food at the reception. Also when they all dance together in the living room and he kind of goes around her. It's sweet. You know what he reminds me of? He reminds me of Luke Kirby in Take This Waltz. He has that kind of Luke Kirby energy. Famously one of my favorite performances.

Yes, by a man. Ever. Movie rules. Great movie. It's so good. Luke Kirby is so good at that movie. You know what? Luke Kirby sends me Dreamland.

He's... What? All right, fine. He's so dreamy. When they get... Oh, oh, oh. Someone listening will like that. Kirby, Nintendo Kirby.

Thank you. Oh. Oh, it's like the little guy who sucks things. High five. High five. Don't high five him. when they get oh oh oh like Kirby Nintendo Kirby thank you oh oh it's like the little guy who sucks high five don't high five him when Luke Kirby

tells Michelle Williams how he would fuck her in that movie it's one of the great great pieces of cinema yes uh Sir Solomon's my

I think my best supporting actress winner that year oh she's so good for that movie she's incredibly very good in that movie 2012 maybe uh yeah that's all I'm trying to do but that's as a comedian Oh, she's so good. She's incredible. Very good in that movie. Fairy Girls in 12, maybe?

That's all I'm trying to do. But that's what? As a comedian, show up and take this wall, hit my little scene. Everybody's like, wait a minute, are you kind of okay at acting? Would you show Bush?

Yeah, she's full frontal in that one. Yeah, show Bush. Cool. But it's like a nice mundane It's like they're like showering. Mine is going to be like nasty. Like filthy amounts of bush. Mine is going to be like nasty. Like filthy amounts of bush. People are going to be like, Jesus.

This isn't even erotic anymore. This is just a shot of the bush just trailing to the floor at this point. What the absolute hell? I'm at the Independent Spirit Awards. I'm drunk. They want you to think it was a fucking merkin. Guess what, bitch bitch i grew it

out uh the the thing i love about this movie uh is that i i feel like it gets at how difficult it is to coexist with uh someone in this kind of state that That weird, like, someone who is this innately frustrating and maddening to be around, who you can't help but have sort of basic sympathy for, who you want to show empathy for and be supportive of, but that really tricky line of, like, how much are you indulging them? How much are you helping them, supporting them?

How much can you fucking tolerate before you have to draw a line? Especially if you spent years being like, I have been here, I have tried. And the oscillations. It's so lived in that world though. It's just like, also such a specific type of person that like, I'm not, I'm not, I don't really know many

people like this, but you know, it's like they're clearly wealthy and educated and like, they have like certain customs and rituals with each other as a family, but there's so much trauma and damage that's in the blood of their family. That's in the marrow of it that you can't escape even when things are at their best. Which Bill Irwin plays so well. He's always trying to be like, well, no, it's fine and, you know, let's not worry about it. Like, he's always trying to revert to, like,

Peacemaker mode at the slightest provocation. Well, that's why, I mean, that dishwashing scene is so heartbreaking because that's the thing. It's like seeing that acting. It's so fun. Until that point, it's so fun. And the band is playing, like, a jaunty thing and it's

just like. Well, even in the house, they don't really have that many memories of Ethan. Like they just have the plate and I think like one baby picture. Right. There's a baby picture of Anne Hathaway's little brother. Oh, it's her real little brother. Which is kind of wild. Yeah. Oh, she cried.

Oh, she cried, cried. There's so much restraint in all of those like quote unquote big scenes. Yeah. restraint in all of those quote unquote big scenes where you go like in 99 out of 100 versions of this movie, Bill Irwin would throw the plate on the ground

and start heaving. Or he would even just say something. He just doesn't say anything. He just walks away. There's a tiny moment where he sees the plate. They're all cheering him. They announce that he's won. He's looking at the plate and he realizes he has

to keep up appearances. He smiles. And he smiles to be like, yeah, I did it. And then puts the plate down and walks away. And then Sydney like rubs Kim's shoulder. That like sweet little moment where she's like, I fucked this up so bad. And he's like, it's this Demi thing

where like he wants to keep tabs on the thread of how every single person is affected by every single interaction where there's the scene where they go to the hair salon I know we're just jumping all around but this movie I wanted to bring that up that's the next big conflict it's pre-dishwasher scene

this is the same actor who plays the guy who propositions Denzel Washington in Philadelphia. Yes, that's right. Oh, my God. Wait. This guy's an icon. And here's the thing.

I was like, who is this fucking guy? Oh, my God. Looked him up, realizes the guy in Philadelphia. Another incredible one-scene performance. One-scene performance. His fucking background is he was a PA on two Demi movies. Oh, my God. He was a PA on Silence of the Lambs and I think one other.

What a hero. Maybe Philadelphia. Demi gives him the scene in Philadelphia and continues to cast him. He's had an illustrious career. A working actor for the last 20 plus years.

I think Demi seems just like the best man. His name, I believe, is Andre B. Blake. Yes. And he's also, he's in, yeah. Mentoring candidate.

Because I remember the first time I saw Philadelphia, I was like, okay, wait, kind of hot. And he worked on, he's in, yeah. Mentoring candidate. I remember the first time I saw Philadelphia, I was like, okay, wait, kind of hot. And he worked on it's just Silence of the Lambs is the only Demi he worked on. He also worked on Boomerang. Oh, gotcha. But yes, his first credit of any kind is PA on Silence of the Lambs.

Then he gets a fucking showcase scene as an actor in Philadelphia. Yep. So good. He's so good. I'm like getting goosebumps thinking of Rosemary. It's a great scene.

It's a goosebumps scene. And Hathaway plays it so well too where she so wants him to stop talking. The staging of it also. Where you can see Rosemary DeWitt

behind her. Rosemary DeWitt, another Rob Devon Oscar nomination. She's incredible in this movie. She is so good in this movie. She won so many critics awards

I was looking it up it's kind of crazy she got like she's the titular character she is getting married she is the titular role and it is Rachel and she's getting married

which this film we do need to acknowledge in our DM I will say neither of you laughed at my joke which kind of hurt my feelings

I thought it was okay I'm sorry I was not in the DM so I feel really bad. The DM was, Griffin sent us all the information and was like, and watch the movie. And Ayo said,

what if I watch Margot at the wedding instead? I mean, that'd be funny. And then you posted after that, just for me, I guess. Because I was hurt. I was hurt. I thought it was a joke and I was hurt. And then nobody responded to that. I looked at it last night kind of late and I was hurt. I thought it was a joke and I was hurt. And then nobody responded to that.

I looked at it last night kind of late and I was like, I could make a Muriel's wedding joke at this moment. I was trying to write my own joke and I didn't come up with one that I thought was good enough. That's the issue? Yeah. Do you want me to jive in right now and send you a ha ha ha ha? An LOL. I'll give you an LOL.

Ha ha's feel cool. I'm going in right now. I'll give you a hee hee. All right. Jesus Christ. But what I was going to say is. I'll give you a hee-hee. But what I was going to say is... I'm sorry, but my feelings were hurt. David, what do you want from me? I wasn't even on the DM, so I'm the loser here. I even get to not laugh at the joke.

Huh. I didn't even see the friggin' laugh. I don't know what you guys are talking about. Oh my god. What I was going to say. What a silly bunch we are. Yes. And it's such a Demi touch.

But Anne Hathaway, this like fucking nails on chalkboard scene that won't end. He's trying to like connect so badly. And he thinks he's the big scene in the movie. He's like, this is the Oscar scene. Where he's saying to her, you don't understand how you changed my life.

Right. And this is it it's the waiter coming up to Patricia our cast in in Boyhood being like you gave me this

he thinks he's giving her the Oscar nom that he's alley-ooping her to give the best scene in the movie and she's like please stop and she's like

Jesus Christ he's sabotaging it and when she when Rosemary DeWitt when Rachel gets up and runs out it's so weird also because it's like she's not just shutting him down.

Like she's doing that thing when you're in horrible awkward conversation and you're like, okay, I'm going to look at you and we're going to make eye contact and we're going to end this. We're going to finish this. God. And also that at first she can't even remember who he is. She doesn't remember which. She keeps thinking she remembers. She's like, which rehab are you from? She's a liar.

Like also. But Rachel gets up and runs out Kim follows her and then Demi stays on him for like a second yes and it's this thing that most directors

wouldn't do which is give you a moment of this guy trying to process what just happened because in his mind he is of course

just telling her the greatest thing which is you don't know how much you've helped me I've been sober since I last saw you. My life is going great.

What did I just do? Why is everyone sad? Why is everyone leaving before their hair is finished? And the fact that he lingers on the dude for a second is just like, everyone in this movie matters. No one is like a character. Everyone in the background feels like they have their own life and their own experiences and their own dreams that they're going through

like it is this movie that just feels like he has created an ecosystem and there is like this very like sort of like rot drama at the center of it but it is not all consuming nobody's a throw away no and like you compare it to Manchester by the Sea you know which is a movie that similarly has at its center this like unimaginable tragedy. This thing where you're just like, how do you fucking recover from that?

And this is just like, in this movie, that is just one of the things nestled at the center. And everything else going around it is as valid. As valid. And the scene where she confesses to killing Ethan at Al-Anon. Yes. Is like 30 to 40 minutes into the movie. Yeah. They don't save it to the end.

No. And there's so much restraint in that like of course she's going to get emotional anytime she tells this story. Yes. But Hathaway so wisely plays it like this is the 800th time she's told this story. She has had to tell this story. She can't stop telling it. You know the tears come come out, but she's not, like, bawling. She doesn't think she's, like— It's not a secret.

Right. Everyone knows. Yeah, because he also, like— I mean, in Al-Anon, they don't know, but, like— Up until then, like, they reference Ethan. Yes. Yeah. They're like, oh, like, there's that part before the speeches where they're like,

and our little buddy Ethan is, like, watching over us. And you're like, wait a minute. I wish Ethan was here. Yeah. I wish Ethan was here. Yeah, I wish Ethan was here. Even like I'm thinking about the Bo Shaw character, like the glasses guy. Yeah. When Kim first comes into the house and he's like, oh, I thought I saw a ghost. Like where he's just like, it's like, oh, right.

Like she's this presence in everyone's lives that we know. And there's the story that everyone knows the details of. Right. Emma knows the details. Like Emma knows the details. Sydney knows the details. Sydney's family probably knows the details so they're not hugely freaking out even when she's acting weirdly because they're like, right, he's told us that this family is

fucked up. You would be warned in this family like, hey, there's a sister who's an addict who is like manic depressive who has like you know, it causes a lot of drama. But then to top that off also here's the unspeakable tragedy that was caused by her

which none of us have gotten over and which she has only further propelled her self-destructive behavior but like almost the entire monologue is delivered in like one shot without cuts in profile and you see Mather Zicker.

Zickle. Mather Zickle. Mather Zickle. Mather Zickle. You see him over her shoulder and you watch him like doing his like good sympathetic face. You know, like the I'm here for you. Like we're all supporting each other. We have each other's backs.

And then there's the turning point in the story where it's like oh this has gotten that bleak right where everyone in the room suddenly starts like questioning whether they want to judge her or not where it's like wait is this a point of no return right and then her story becomes about that right like i will never forgive myself i don't know how to forgive myself i don't know how to be a person there There's no way I will ever feel like I deserve to be alive. I cannot believe in God anymore because I don't want to believe that God would do that. It's so fucked up. And then that God would also forgive

me at any point. Right. I don't want to believe in a God who could forgive me because I will never forgive myself. What does she say at the end? She's like, you can find God or you can come here or something like that. It's like, oh, my God. And just so like it is the most off the cuff way you could ever play a scene of that weight. Right.

Because usually in movies where like there is like a dead child we don't talk about. It's like the reveal of it is so like. Gravity. Yeah. It comes in the middle of a fight and it's like why don't you say it I wish Ethan was still alive inside of you

and then they all start crying what if Robert Patrick showed up and said Ron Kidd died in this movie it would fit and that scene

with Debra Winger is so heartbreaking so good when she shows up the opposite where she's locked it all in and the way that she's choosing to process and live her life she's constantly leaving heartbreaking. So good. When she shows up at the She's locked it all in. Yeah. Right.

And the way that she's choosing to process and live her life she's constantly leaving. She's like you know I love that her husband never speaks. Her husband never speaks.

And also even when she's like well you know how helpless he is so I have to go help him and that's why I'm leaving and he's just like I mean one of the best things about this movie is that that's not resolved.

Yeah. She just leaves. It sucks. She doesn't want to resolve it. And it's so sad like when Rosemary Dewitt sees her and she's like I mean one of the best things about this movie is that that's not resolved yeah she just leaves it sucks she doesn't want to resolve it and it's so sad like when Rosemary DeWitt sees her and she's like

oh we were just gonna slip out you can make a little fuss what? yeah it's like it's so sad and Rosemary DeWitt plays it so well

where she's like I want my mother and my sister and they have that like horrible hug that also you don't see Rosemary DeWitt's face for which I

you just see Anne and Debra. Which I love. They're like two inches away from each other working as hard as they can to not make eye contact because they got in a fist

fight 12 hours earlier. Oh and she really punches her. It is nuts. Incredible. Because I mean there's that underlying emotion where she's like

please don't stir up this memory. Don't talk about it. Beyond the blame I don't have the space to process it. My thing is not processing it. You're making me process it. I'm going to punch you. Right. Don't talk about it. Beyond the blame, I don't have the space to process it. My thing is not processing it. You're making me process it.

I'm going to punch you. Right. Yeah. She can't handle it. So she just literally goes, you know, postal. I mean, she just goes crazy. And also her daughter's like, what were you thinking? Yeah.

Kim is making a good point. She's like, why would you? You know I was a drug addict. Why would you leave your child with me? That sentence is heartbreaking. Also, when Deborah Winger says, well, you were the best you were when you were with him. And it's just like heartbreaking. It's one of those arguments that's so well written where it's like both sides are kind of get.

And you're like, no one, this is not a resolvable thing. Right. The root of like all of the drama in this movie is that she was such an issue throughout every point in her life that she sucked up all the oxygen in the room where everything was prioritized around her. So that she's going to her not wedding. She's like, it would probably be better to leave her with Ethan because it might make her step up to the plate a little bit more. But like. And is putting that above Ethan's. This is so heartbreaking.

Sorry to just like imagine like just you're raising a child, you know, and it's like, this, this is the only time I see the thing that I thought that I recognized in you. But like, inadvertently, you know,

there's also things that you're probably avoiding with her own issues. Yes. And like, putting her in this situation where it's, right. And it's like, it's like the two people who probably blame themselves the most for this child. But there is.

I just feel like there is a bad version of this movie where that discussion ends with her being like, I know. Like, it was my fault, too, and I'm sorry. Yeah. Where it comes to a head, and she shouts something that's sort of like what you're saying, right? Like, where it's, like, something dramatic and punchy. Right. And instead she's just like, just stop talking about it. She cold talks her daughter in the face.

Like she cuts it off two sentences into what would be that scene. Exactly. But you have these four people where it's like a case study in how you can process trauma. Where Rosemary DeWitt is like, I'm going to intellectualize this. I'm going to understand how the human being works. I'm going to approach it academically. I'm going to make it my business.

I'm going to learn how to help other people. Like I'm going to completely handle this. I'm going to make it my business. I'm going to learn how to help other people. Like, I'm going to completely handle this. Also move to Hawaii. Yes. Which, you know. And also marry a total cool hottie. Yes. And, like, hang out with his cool family.

Right. Bear his child. Yeah, which is going to be a beautiful child. With a beautiful long face. With a gorgeous long face. And an incredible nose. Just the most insane nose. And there would probably be

statues carved over that nose every time she was in profile in this movie I just kept on thinking like how many people must have told her

to get a nose job and how much respect do I have for her for not doing it I texted Esther Zuckerman a friend of the show about I was like

I need to tell someone because I can't tweet this because I'm no you can't be horny on the main I mean I work for the Atlantic dot com I can no longer be horny on Maine and so I had to text

Esther I love Rosemary's nose and we talked about that for five minutes then of course we talked about it for Gray's nose the platonic ideal the tragedy of that nose and then the tragedy of it's it's undoing but that's like you have to imagine that like every

shitty agent that Rosemary DeWitt met with. was like, hey, have you ever thought about maybe getting some work done? And the confidence to be like, fuck you, I'm keeping it.

This is going to be my thing. Incredible nose. Do people still do that in meetings? I think so. I kind of like, somebody should tell me what I should get though. You're like,

just lay it on me. It's like, how can I fix? You should get a nose extension. You should get a Rosemary DeWitt nose. I would love to go to a plastic surgeon's office and be like, can you give me the DeWitt? Can you add a bridge? You're right.

All right. So there's the way Rosemary DeWitt is handling it. Bill Irwin is like, I'm going to delve headfirst into continuing to try to solve Anne Hathaway. I'm going to preoccupy myself with a different crisis. There's a way to, yes, dig your way out of that. Fix her. Deborah Winger is just like bottled, done, on a shelf.

I live in a nice house now. I don't hang out. Don't look it in the eye. If you try to bring it up with me I will punch you in the face. And then Hathaway is just like, to a certain degree, doing what she's been doing her entire life, but also it feels like baiting people to judge her more and blame her more.

She can't stand the sort of politeness. She can't live with herself. And the line that Rosemary DeWitt says where she's like, I spent my entire childhood waiting for it to either get better or die. I was praying for one of the two to happen, that she would get better or die, which was praying for one of the two to happen. That she would get better or die, which is such a brutal thing. But that is what you feel like

if you love somebody who's like, In that much pain? I can't stay here. This is like terrible for all of us. I mean, there's also, there's the scene after the barber, after the, at the salon, where you see Rachel being like,

now that I know this shit, you're lying you know you're telling these fake stories in therapy you're not taking responsibility for what you know that's her view of that

it's the one time Bill Irwin kind of questions her doesn't coddle her and is like why would you lie about that because also I feel he feels implicated

even though she's saying she has like a molesting uncle or whatever I feel like he's like you can't portray us that way. Yeah.

There's a really nice scene. Um, after Rachel like drives the car into the rock or whatever. Yeah. And like Rosemary DeWitt just like, it has to give her a bath. Okay. So that's my favorite scene in the movie.

So everything's building to it. And I remember when I'm seeing this in the theater, the Ethan tattoo that Emma really early on in the movie is like, you got to cover up your tattoo. And then you see that it's Ethan. It's incredible. And it's also kind of a bad tattoo. It's a whole ugly tattoo.

It's clearly a tattoo. She was like, well, maybe this will be a good idea. She's drunk when she got it. But so, okay. So I remember I'm watching this movie in the theater or whatever. And I'm like, you know, is this, is she going to fucking, you know, buy some drugs and fuck things up that way what's she gonna do then of course she crashes her car and it's really she's trying to kill herself yeah right like that's the idea i feel like i think just she's just giving up you know i i also

read it as it's like a form of self-harm if not suicide exactly where it's like she has she doesn't want to uh relapse right exactly because she has now been doesn't want to relapse. Right, exactly. Because she has now been so thoroughly called out on how much she's trying to make the wedding about herself. That scene also, I'm sorry to go back for a second, but the scene where they get into the massive fight and then Rachel drops that she's pregnant. Oh, and Kim is like, it's not fair.

That scene is incredible because I am on Kim's side in a way. This is unfair. That scene is incredible because I am on Kim's side in a way. It is unfair. She is deploying a secret. At the same time, Kim can't do what she's doing which is call it out.

You just have to abandon the ship and be like, oh my God. No, Stanley is damaged. Yes. But she won't do it. She won't do it.

She's like, no. She doesn't know. We were having a fucking conversation. of his dad thing where he's like, ah, ah. And Anna Deavere Smith is like, no. She doesn't know. And Bill Irwin is at the peak of his dad thing where he's like, ah, ah! And Anna Deavere Smith is like, I have

to go to bed. That's the real moral arc of this movie. She has great stepmom energy where she's just like, oh, it's all, they're doing their thing again. She's like, I love this. I weep at Ethan. I saw Waves, which

if... It'll have been long out, so you can talk about it. I hated it. Yeah, it's a terrible movie. It's a terrible movie. It's not a movie that I like at all. With a perfect performance by Taylor Russell. It's generally a well-acted movie.

Yes. It's an awful movie. And honestly, a well-made movie. But yet, it's bad. Yes. Anyway. I thought it was bad. Which also, it feels like one long music video

in the opposite of this movie but unlike this movie right where like every fucking dramatic thing possible happens

basically and with punctuated by a song by Instagram and songs but oh my gosh now I'm blanking

on her name lead actress in Hamilton Renee Elise Goldberry yes Renee Elise Goldberry plays a stepmom and you know it's like it's that thing it's like you're taking on all of the emotional Lead actress in Hamilton. Renee Elise Goldberry. Yes, Renee Elise Goldberry plays a stepmom. And, you know, it's like, it's that thing. It's like you're taking on all of the emotional weight of this family.

That's what happens when you marry into a family. You're inheriting a backstory for us. You're inheriting a backstory for the children. And so, like, you know, and when Anna Deavere Smith is, like, hearing about the story of Ethan again, she's weeping. And when all the happy things are happening, she's, like, so elated. And she's, like, right by everyone's side. And she's weeping. And when all the happy things are happening, she's so elated and she's right by everyone's side and she's smiling. But when all this drama is happening, she's also like, I have to go.

Do you want to sleep, baby? And that's the card she gets to play. She is great as well. I mean, everyone's good. Hair laid. She looks fabulous. So fresh. But yes, back to the car. After she crashes her car.

She knows at this point she's been so thoroughly called out and making everything about herself. Anything she fucking does, she's going to ruin the wedding and it's going to be called out. And she doesn't want to relapse, so she wants to feel some amount of pain. And there's also the great visual metaphor of it's literally a fork in the road and she just drives right through it. She's like, I'm not picking. And also not like an easy immediate crash either she just goes over a tree and she doesn't even crash into a tree she crashes into

a giant rock like a weird rock and it's like it's so it's so good but then there are like four nearly wordless minutes of like the joggers finding her waking up being interviewed by the cops walking the line taking the test and then up being interviewed by the cops walking the line

taking the test oh and then she comes to the and then she goes back to the house and that guy's like are you holding and she's like she's like not dealing with you right now obviously

but you're mostly either seeing her like in the dark at a distance from behind so that when they finally get the like head on look at her

with a black eye when Rachel sees her face and rather than Rachel go like I can't believe you're doing this this is so awful this is my wedding day the hair that still hasn't been touched from when she left the salon

it's just wordless it all goes away she just is gonna help her it's like a beautiful like sibling moment it is the bath scene is incredible yeah being like I am so pissed at you but I'm going to put this aside because you need help right now and I am going to like and then what I love is that the wedding is great.

We love, we enjoy the wedding. Kim is having a bad time. She's basically keeping to herself, but she's not really doing much, but they also kind of background her for the next 20 minutes. Like she doesn't really, she knows not to fuck.

She takes the L exactly. Like, she's just like, I need, she's like, I know I don't look great. And I know I can't really talk to my mom. I can't talk about me. I just got to chill out. I'm going to play's like, I know I don't look great. And I know I can't really talk to my mom. It's not about me.

I just got to chill out. I'm going to play soccer with these kids over here or something. But she barely speaks for like 15 minutes. They're not even giving her many reaction shots or anything. She does get that nice moment where she's like crying while they're singing the Neil Young song. And it's so emotional that she's feeling someone else's emotions and not making it about herself

what a good movie what a fucking great movie wait here's a question that I was like watching this movie last night and I was like in the wedding party

when they're all like dancing is Sebastian Stan in the background he is okay so did they just like they needed another guy

I think so I really was like is that him and I rewound it and I was like What if there's a subplot that's like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern

that's about him escaping and then like he pops into the like how he got there. He has two credits in the movie. Yes he does. In the end credits they credit him

as two different characters. It's like Walter slash bow tie party. Yeah exactly. Eagle Eye viewers will notice he's wearing like a tangerine shirt. A really very good cat.

He also of course has a metal arm. Of course, yes, yes, yes. This we know. Is there any movie that looks like it was more fun to work on? It looks so, it just looks so, it looks like they were all hanging out. Usually when a cast is going on a press tour and they're like, we were just hanging out.

I'm like, I don't believe you at all. But this one really feels like like it feels so lived in and it feels like everyone has such a real like hangout energy that's actually why I kind of like disagree

well I wonder how they shot things like if it was chronological or I feel like out of sequence it was chronological it feels like that to me as well

yeah but only because like then the hard days you know it's like you're not talking to anybody like the set is nice

but you're just kind of like it does feel like by the time they got to the party they were all like we're just we're just partying we're gonna like just like give you guys

something they have the music going there was a scene where Anne Hathaway felt bothered by the music because it was too loud when she says like can they cut it out

and that was Demi saying to her like if you don't like it say it in the scene right if it's bothering you you have to say it in the scene not now when she yells it out? And that was Demi saying to her, if you don't like it, say it in the scene. If it's bothering you, you have to say it in the scene, not now. When she yells it, she's yelling it to Demi. And Demi says, if you feel that way, you have to make it part of the scene.

And then they cut to everyone else reacting to it. It's stuff like that, where he's like, I just want to feel like it's happening. Right. He should have won the Academy Award for directing for this film, in my opinion. It is one of the best directed movies. Yes. right so good he should have won the Academy Award for directing yeah in my opinion well this is the year it is one of the most best directed movies yes

this is also the year that breaks the Oscars it is it's the year they snub the Dark Knight and afterwards they have the 10 you know

it's true and we'll talk about that in a second this is the Slumdog millionaire year but it is a hard year this is like

Slumdog Frost Nixon Milk this is the year it started paying attention it's when they literally only nominated one good film for best picture and it was Milk I think Slumdog, Frost Nixon, Milk. This is the year I started paying attention. It's when they literally only nominated one good film for Best Picture, and it was Milk, I think.

Yes. Yeah, because Slumdog is so-so. It's Slumdog, Reader, Milk, Frost Nixon, and Benjamin Button. Where you're like, is Button the second best? You can talk yourself into that. I remember fighting with my dad about it in the car because we saw Dark Knight together. And I was like, I don't understand how this film wasn't nominated.

This just doesn't make any sense. I'm fully a child. And he was like, I can't have this conversation with you. And I was like, your age is up. That's what's broken with the Academy. It was like Dark Knight getting snubbed,

WALL-E getting snubbed. Grant Torino had done so well. Sure, sure. Even dubious. It came on late, but yeah. Is this Junos year? That was the year before.

The year before is very good. The year before is. The seven was pretty good. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. But, oh, it breaks the Oscars and they never recover

and they go crazy trying to chase the popular vote. Tragic. In a way. It is weird that this is it only gets the Hathaway nomination

it doesn't get screenplay screenplay was a very strange miss yeah that it didn't get it but it was a stacked year Frozen River stole its spot

yes the other four nominees are Milk which is credited to Dustin Lance Black ridiculously who wins an Oscar who wins an Oscar

even though he gets to own and keep in his home allegedly sorry Happy Go Lucky which weirdly

is that movie's only nomination even though Sally Hawkins and Eddie Morrison are so good what movie was it? Happy Go Lucky

the Mike Lee movie no it's an incredible movie about an English elementary school teacher with yes Sally Hawkins

yes oh my god she's so good in that. It only gets a screenplay nomination. Which is crazy. Have you seen her eyes? In Bruges, which also came on late.

Wally got a screenplay nomination. The beginning of the end. And then Frozen River was the surprise over Rachel getting married. Sure. Jenny Lumet, I feel like this announces her as a major screenwriter. Right, but now she's been trapped in genre movie hell. What does she do now?

She serves on writer's rooms for Dark Universes. That's what's crazy. Her next credited film after this is The Mummy. Oh, that sucks. Because she was part of a writer's room for Dark Universe. She should write like plays and she split and she had to split

her screenplay credit with The Mummy that is true written by Jenny Lumet and The Mummy and The Mummy's hands are bound up you can't even type

so it's like what exactly and in the screenplay credit Jenny Lumet's name gets wrapped in bandages I feel like that movie was so try hard split in half

like during because it was like so old the mummy actually gets shredded twice and it's and the mummy and the mummy so it's like really toxic yes

she sold two pilots she sold I think two pilots that she was supposed to show her neither of them came to fruition she works on

Star Trek no she works on Star Trek Discovery but she sold a bunch of screenplays I'm sure she's done a thousand uncredited

rewrites. God, just imagine like this hasn't happened to me. I've been in rooms with people who I like really like respect on like a comedy level and like worked in really cool rooms but I've never been in a room with somebody and been like, damn bitch, like you're the bitch that did Rachel getting married. Like what the fuck? Yeah. Like you're just here?

She had a script I think called Honeymoon with Harry, I want to say that maybe Demi was supposed to direct after this a bunch of people were attached at different points

in time but it was supposed to be De Niro and Bradley Cooper before Bradley Cooper really popped and De Niro was like he's my kid

and it's about the first like 45 minutes are a young couple getting married and the disapproving father and then the wife

I think unexpectedly suddenly tragically dies right after their wedding and he goes on the honeymoon to Hawaii with the father-in-law

weird which was supposed to be this great script that just never ever got made I just want to shout out we should play the box office game but the last moment

in the movie after the wedding which is so nice is Kim is trying to slip out. She's trying to pull a Debra Winger. Yeah. Right? Where she's just like, I'm just going to get the fuck out of here, drama free. And Rachel runs out to, like, hug her.

And so it's like, you know, the cycle is at least hopefully not being repeated. She's watching her slow dance with Sydney. Well, no, that's before. This is the day after. This is the day after. Oh, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. She, like's before. This is the day after. Oh, sorry, sorry,

sorry, sorry. She like kisses the man. Yes. But she's trying to slip out. She's trying to

pull a winger. Yes, right. Yes. Now I understand. And Rachel stops her from doing that by giving her a hug.

Yeah. Yeah. I do love that the movie is called Rachel Getting Married. It was originally called Dancing with Shiva.

Bad title. Rachel Getting Married is not a good title. It was originally called Dancing with Shiva. Bad title. Rachel Getting Married is such a good title. Not great. And it's also so nice because it's like, right, this is supposed to be

about Rachel's wedding. Yeah. Like the title is reasserting the conflict of the movie, which is like, this is supposed to be everything.

Yeah. Not this Kim business. Yeah. I love it. I think it's a perfect movie. I think it's a masterpiece. I agree. I love it so much. It is, you I think it's a perfect movie. I think it's a masterpiece. I agree. I love it so much.

It is my arena. I guess it sounds a little... But it's one of Demi's best movies. I also think it's this incredible thing that you kind of can't control how movies age. And so often it's just tied into how sort of in tune filmmakers were with something honest. Sure. But when this movie came out, I remember so much of the criticism being like, this wedding is so unrealistic.

Like who would make this melting pot wedding of all these different cultures? It's like this idealistic like Demi, we are the world dream. And now you watch it and you're like, is this appropriation? But it's also the kind of cringy appropriation that you would completely buy these people doing yeah where it works in both lights

you know anyway I don't know I love this movie you guys like it? I love this movie alright let's play the box office game

okay October 3rd 2008 okay the number one film of the year is Rachel Getting Married is not Rachel Getting Married

believe it or not. Ben's laughing. Is a children's film. Beverly Hills Chihuahua? That's correct. About a little dog. That was so fast. I don't know how he did that.

This was a very lonely period of my life. I remember this vividly. How many times did you see Beverly Hills Chihuahua? I did not see it, but I remember walking up to theaters and debating whether or not to see it. Can you tell me which studio put out Beverly Hills Chihuahua? Walt Disney Pictures? It was the Walt Disney Company. That's correct.

Is Beverly Hills Chihuahua on Disney Plus? I think all three of the Beverly Hills Chihuahua films are. I believe they are all on there. Is George Lopez in the Beverly Hills Chihuahua? He's the Chihuahua. He plays. Right? Yes.

I'm trying to remember the character's name, but yes. The name was. No, the main Chihuahua is Drew Barrymore. Correct. Chloe. And he's like the funny comic relief who I think also becomes the love interest. George Lopez. The plot of that movie is like she's like a pampered Chihuahua

and he's like a street Chihuahua. George Lopez is sort of like a street Chihuahua called Poppy. Thank you. And then Andy Garcia plays a German Shepherd called Delgado. I didn't know Andy Garcia was in the Beverly Hills. And Edward James Olmos plays a German shepherd called Delgado. I didn't know Andy Garcia was in the Beverly Hills Chihuahua. And Edward James Olmos plays a Doberman called El Diablo. Stop.

The premise of Beverly Hills Chihuahua is essentially what if Paris Hilton's Chihuahua. Right. Had an adventure. And has to deal with the real Mexican Chihuahuas. Okay. With the Mexican Chihuahua community. Okay. And also I want to point out that Placido Domingo plays a long-haired Chihuahua

called Montezuma. Of course he does. That's great. Exactly. That movie made $100 million? That movie opened to $29 million and it topped out at $94 million. It didn't quite get to $100 million.

I was ready to throw that parade. But here, number two is a movie that is one of those sneaky 100 million grossers. Okay. Doesn't exist, of course. It does not exist. No. Was it like 100 on the nugget?

101. Is it Eagle Eye? That's correct. Are you okay? This was. I was living in an apartment in Hell's Kitchen. That is one of my favorite trailer lines. Billy Bob Thornton said, you're in a whole lot of trouble, son.

I love it so much. I was living in an apartment in Hell's Kitchen. I had moved in with three other guys. And by this point in the year, all of them had moved out. So you were living alone? I mean, that's the question. But I was a block away from the AMC 25 or a couple blocks away. And I was going to see movies all the time.

Wow, this is how I'm going to remember this period of my life. And I also, this is a period where I remember, like, Box Office Mojo was really popping. And I was just refreshing alone in this apartment by myself. Being like, I wonder what that did. Number three is a, in my memory, kind of charming teen movie. High School Musical 3 Senior Year? Incorrect. Oh, that comes out Halloween weekend.

Of course. Right where it belonged. Yeah. A New York set film. I saw it on a date. Margaret. It's a few years later. I know, I know.

It's not Nick and Nora? It is Nick and Nora's Infinite Playlist. It's got a female orgasm subplot. I talked about this the other day. Oh, Ari Grainer's fun in that podcast with Ben. That is one of the

most banana scenes. Different podcast with Ben. I'll tell you, it's secret. Are you serious? Me and Harry have a podcast.

It's my friend Harry. He's an Earwolf producer. Harry Nelson. I know who Harry is. And we're time capsuling a show. Are you guys

going to fight in front of us? Yes. I'm mad about this. That's cool. It'll come out eventually. David, I think you need to

grow up about this. Honestly. No. I'm going to need a briefing after we're done. Alright, number four. I was saying that the scene

in which Michael Cera fingers Kat Dennings in Electric Lady Studios and then you see the fucking computer screen. The levels.

What about it? What were you saying about it? On her orgasm. That's one of the most banana scenes in any movie ever. It is a wild scene. It's a studio picture. Are you scared of the female orgasm? Terrified.

Are you scared of the levels it can reach? I'm confused that you called it a comedy and not a psychological thriller. Because that movie chilled me to the bone. Oh, boy. All right, number four. No, I think it's crazy that a scene that sexual is in a studio movie. Why do you hate women?

I hate them. Number four is... I hate to see them. It's like a grown-up romance. Is it Diane Lane? Yes. Is it Diane Lane? Yes. Is it Nights in Rodanthe? That's correct.

Just Rodanthe, I think? I'm not sure. It's Rodanthe. I'm not sure. I've never seen it. My pitch was always the sequel. I've told you this before. Days in Rodanthe?

Nights of Rodanthe. K-N-I-G-H-T-S. Which is Diane Lane is captured and all the men who have romanced her in the early 2000s have to go rescue her. Gear. Say more. Cusack. I believe James Franco is in Knights of Redanth. Franco.

Christopher Maloney. Okay. Alright. And number five at the box office is Expanding this week. It's from one of our great actor directors. Oscar play? I suppose.

Are you being sarcastic when you say one of our greats? I think he actually is great, but yes, I'm being sarcastic. But he's directed several movies, at least a couple. Okay. And this is a Western. This is a Western? Yes. It's got a weird name. It's got a weird name.

It does have a weird name. Is it Appaloosa? That's correct. What? And who's the director? Ed Harris? That's right. Yeah.

Lonely time for old... Appaloosa. Did you see Appaloosa in the theater? Give me the domestic top final on that one. Appaloosa? Yeah. It's expanding this weekend? Yeah, but give me the domestic final total.

Okay, I, no, but the expansion is important to me picturing the final. Okay, I'm just, I'm conjuring it. I think the domestic final on Appaloosa was eight.

It was $20 million. Really? Did fine, I guess. Or maybe bad. I don't know how much it cost. Who saw this movie? I don't know. I remember seeing the trailers

for Appaloosa and being like, what? What is this? When did 310 to Yuma come out? Because I feel like that had a similar. 2007? Yeah. 2007.

Great movie. In my mind. James Mangold's best film. Right? I think probably. Yeah. I think so. Yeah.

I don't even know what the competition is. Copland? The Wolverine. Wolverine is pretty fucking good. Better than Logan. Where do the two of you stand on Wolverine versus Logan? Logan wins. Really? I don't. I didn't like Wolverine. I like Wolverine is pretty fucking good. Better than Logan. Where do the two of you stand on Wolverine versus Logan? Logan wins. Really?

I didn't like Wolverine. I like Wolverine a lot. Wolverine is great, but it's kind of like, there's a campiness to Wolverine. That's what I like. Yeah. Did you guys know that Logan is secretly a Western? Ben, don't. I've heard that.

Believe it or not, someone told me that. Wait, I was not supposed to say anything. Sorry. They have a rival podcast. We don't want them taking our secrets. Sorry. Hey, editor Snow, cut that out. Ben, look at me. Say it again. No.

Ben, do not. Logan is secretly a Western. That's so crazy. Yes. Some of the other movies in the top 10 Lakeview Terrace Sam Jackson

directed by Neil LaBue that's right what? yes yes is that the movie where like the young couple moves in next door

and he like harasses them Patrick Wilson and Kerry Washington yes the trailer has one of the great twists of all time because he's the next door neighbor who keeps harassing them

and they go and meet with a lawyer and he's like, obviously we need to talk about the issue of color in this matter and the color here is blue. And then they cut to the sound of a siren and reveal in the trailer that Sam Jack is a cop.

Yes. Wow. Burn after reading. Good movie. You've got, oh, Fireproof. Is that like a faith movie, I feel like? Yeah, that's one of those. The War Room.

And then also An American Carol, the anti-Michael Moore Zucker movie. And then finally, Flash of Genius, the windshield wiper movie. Greg Kinnear. Yes. And Lorelei Gilmore. He invented the windshield wiper and then got screwed over or something. I remember seeing that trailer so much for some reason. They played it all the time.

They thought they had something. It was really crazy. Yeah. And it also gives the whole movie where they're like, oh, it's so hard to drive in the rain. And you just. It feels like Coupon the Movie. Like it feels like that doesn't really exist. Yes.

Where it's like, what if there's an Oscar-bait drama about the legal battles of the man who invented the windshield light? Damn, where did Greg Kinnear go? He's in my basement. Are you feeding him? Not a lot. I've said it on this podcast, but what's the unbreakable condition?

Oh, oh. It's that they pretend that he was in a movie with Titus right and Titus reveals they only the only

they only found him by googling like white person nice generically handsome it's just like white person nice yeah anyway

uh phenomenal uh any final words from any of us I'll say this I feel like I remember being so jazzed after this movie came out.

It being so great, but being like, man, Demi has finally found a way to merge the two things in his career. Like he's been this like great fiction director and this great documentary director. But his fiction films have always been very formally rigid, even if they felt messy emotionally, psychologically. He had a very clear like sort of visual style that was very controlled and then his documentaries were more

freewheeling sure and it felt like he had found found a way to merge the two and I was like this is this great like second act of his career we're gonna get now

he's gonna be out of like the studio doldrums he's gonna feel re-energized and then he makes two more movies and passes away. And he made a few more documentaries, I guess.

Yeah, he made many more documentaries. But I was hoping to see more films in this vein. But he died. He died nine years later. It feels like this was kind of like a perfect summation of his entire life, his career, all of his interests.

You have all these different people in the film at the wedding, like Roger Corman and Sister Carol, who have been part of his entire career, his previous films. It just felt like this celebration of his entire brand. I agree. It's a masterpiece, and it is also a real career culmination. Yeah. It's great.

Yeah, it's a great movie. It's great, she'll is also a real career culmination. Yeah. It's great. Yeah. It's a great movie. It's great, she'll getting married. Well, what I will say that I forgot to bring up until this moment is that originally I asked to do something wild. Yes. And we got bumped by a more famous person. You did.

That happens. Scotty Ox. Good to talk about these things on the air. So Scott Aukerman, now my nemesis. That's right. But this, I would say is a better movie than Something Wild

and I love Something Wild yeah Something Wild a real romp but let's say this we bumped Mark Maron from this episode

so the two of you could come on I don't believe that it's Mark Maron famously one of our one of our enemies it's true

we have a rivalry with him yeah well you won great so what movie is he doing uh yeah he's gonna do the Justin Timberlake documentary yeah the Tennessee Kids We have a rivalry with him. Yeah. Well, you won. Great. So what movie is he doing? Yeah, he's going to do... The Justin Timberlake documentary. Yeah, the Tennessee Kids.

JT and the Tennessee Kids. Who are your kids? Yeah. Who are your kids? All right. He loves Rachel getting married. He does. He talks about it all the time in weirdly sexual tones.

Oh, no. Yeah. I'll say that is my one thing with this movie where I always feel really bad about how much I am into Kim in this movie oh really? in like a very self-destructive way that's a really down note to any episode

you shouldn't have said that on the podcast her haircut is bad I'm so into the haircut cut it out, the haircut's cute keep it in, triple it is it cute? I like the haircut I like the haircut's cute. Cut it out. Keep it in triplet. Is it cute? I like the haircut. I like it.

It's very 2008. I like the haircut. I like the sense of fashion. It was also like Anne was like a long haired, you know, and sort of like, oh, look, she's got a new thing. You like the fashion? I like the eye makeup. That was a Lily time in your life.

I like the casual slits. Yeah. I don't know if I like the fashion. I don't know. Yeah. There's not much fashion. Yeah. It's mostly.

It's mostly just people wearing clothes. You're scary right now. I like that she looks comfy in this movie. You're scary. Yeah, I know. I'm revealing way too much of myself. Thank you so much for being on the show. Thank you for having us.

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Oh, there's like there's like a common like code here was whenever the two of you will reference specific interviews when you're like do you remember when this person said this in this interview when they were promoting that? Wow.

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don't care. Yeah. I actually don't even watch stuff anymore. I don't even own a TV show. I don't even watch stuff or host podcasts. Yeah, not really.

I just kind of like, me, I've been like reading, shopping, not even books though, just like signs. So I kind of like reading signs. So like stop,

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