Blank Check with Griffin & David - Sense and Sensibility with Shirley Li

Episode Date: July 15, 2018

This week Shirley Li (Entertainment Weekly) joins Griffin and David to discuss 1995’s period drama, Sense and Sensibility. But how accurate are the hosts impressions of Alan Rickman? What were the circumstances behind Emma Thompson adapting this script? What is a vicar? Together they examine Kate Winslet’s career trajectory, peak mannerism, the Book of Benry and more. This episode is sponsored by Brooklinen.

Have you really been to the East Indies, Colonel? I have. What's it like? The air is full of podcasts. What is he... I'm sorry, what? What happened at the end? The air is full of podcasts.

Podcasts. Is Barry Corbin in town? Okay, so I spent the entire time watching this movie trying to work on my Rickman. Because every time he comes on screen, it's like, I can do this, right? And that was the result? Well, I realized the only way I can do it. The air is full of spice. I can't really.

I had it a second ago better. The only way I can do Rickman is Rickman underwater. Which is? I'm trapped underwater. I don't know about that. Potter, why are you stuck in the bath drowning? Harry Potter?

The water is so boiling. He does. He says Mr. Potter. Mr. Potter. He keeps saying it in this movie too. Like who the fuck are you talking to Potter Expelliarmus

Still waiting on your turn The Dark Lord Now I'm losing it It's so specific Potter I love everybody Did I tell you that kids used to do that to me And say now I couldn't talk

They used to put their hands over my nose Why? Because Americans talk through their nose used to do that to me and say now I couldn't talk. They used to put their hands over my nose. That's stupid. Why? Because Americans talk through their nose. What? That's not true. What are you talking about, though? Because I grew up in England.

Might as well get that. For the Sense and Sensibility episode, let's get that out of the way. Oh, boy. Got to bump this mic up. Yeah, there we go. Hello, everybody. My name is Griffin Newman.

I'm David Sims. This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David, where we talk about filmography. Directors who have massive success early on in their career and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want, and sometimes they clear, and sometimes they bounce. Baby.

Potter. Sometimes they bounce. Potter. There's something. You really can't handle the R. I can't. You're struggling on the R. Right. Rhubarb. Never rub another man's rhubarb.

Potter. Can you get closer? Get closer. Even closer. How I just shit my pants. Who are your guys? It's getting worse. Yeah, it's getting bad. Mr. Potter. Who are your guys? It's getting worse. Yeah, it's getting bad.

Mr. Potter, I remember seeing Damon Wayans do a jazz. I don't even know what it is now. Oh, God. We're all drinking out of mugs, except for me. I'm drinking out of a plastic bottle. Do you want a mug? No, I'm fine. We start recording 45 minutes after the scheduled time.

I'll admit that. That's just typical. Right. 20 minutes of that were me having diarrhea. And then there was some heated discussion. Although we forgot to discuss

the one thing that's now about to bite us in the ass. What? We're recording episodes way in advance. We're banking them up. This is the first we're doing of the Ang Lee miniseries.

Right. But not the first one you're listening to. Sure. And we first we're doing of the Ang Lee miniseries. Right. But not the first one you're listening to. Sure. And we didn't decide what the name of the miniseries is. It's Dave and Griffin's Griffin Dave's Podcast Time Walk.

That's what it's called. That sounds like nonsense. Well, he's the one who called a goddamn movie Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk. That sounds like magnetic fridge poetry. But halftime sounds like cast time.

It's sitting right there. I mean, what are the sweaty ones? Crouching pod, hidden cast. No, that's crappy, isn't it? I guess so. Broke pod, mount cast. Pot of cast. Then you lose all the work.

That's the problem. A lot of them are that. What was the... Broke pod mount cast? Yeah. That's not bad. Eat pod drink cast. No, it's eat...

Eat drink man woman. So it has to be like, eat pod man... Eat podcast, woman. So it has to be like, eat, pod, man. Eat, podcast, man, woman. Can't you do... No, this is sweaty too. Ride with the podcast. Potting casts.

Yeah. Pod casting. We could go off a Hulk and it could just be called podcast. No, but what if it was eat, drink, pod, cast? There are no commas. There's no commas. Oh, fuck. Then never mind that.

You're fucking with another language at this point. I think it's broke, pod, malcast, right? What about ride with the podcast? Podcast with the devil? Are you guys doing that one? Podcast with the devil. We're doing them all. We're doing them all.

Nobody's going to listen. Excuse me. We have a very exciting academic coach for that episode. I'll have you know that the basement on our episodes is just high enough to validate us being completists. Correct. We've tested this because we've done movies that no one should fucking watch. Right. And we've had a breakthrough point now where at least some people listen to the movies that people haven't seen i

listen to way to water i was about to say that's that's a real perfect example as you get hot and stefanski i mean those are two of the hottest guests in the game yeah yep hi karen hey karen hey karen how you doing how you doing karen'm eating a gummy bear on mic. Sure. It's probably the worst sounding thing I've ever eaten on mic. Yeah, it's gross. I like Broke Pod Mountcast. I think that's good. Let's just go with that. I think that's what it is.

All right. It's Broke Pod Mountcast. And this has been thrilling for people to listen to because they've already known the name of the miniseries for two episodes. That's correct. It's July right now. I hope it's sunny. Would you want to flip it, though?

I don't know. It sounds like you're breaking your pod, mounting your cast. Broke Pod Mountcast. Well, you know what? That's how right now. I hope it's sunny. Would you want to flip it though? I don't know. It sounds like you're breaking your pod, mounting your cast. Broke pod, mount cast. Well, you know what? That's how it works. Flip it. How would you flip it?

So pod back. Pod back. Casting. Casting. Pod back, mount cast isn't bad. Pod back, mount cast. Should we start over? No.

Versus broke pod, mount cast. Yeah, pod back, mount cast. Yeah, pod back. Podback Mountcast. Should we start over? No! Podback Mountcast. Yeah, Podback Mountcast. Versus BrokePod. Right, because I feel like BrokeBack was the thing that everyone said. They shortened it to BrokeBack. So I think Back is more important to keep in there, you know? Podback Mountcast.

Podback Mountcast. Mr. Potter. Mr. Potter. Mr. Potter, Mr. Potter. So this, of course... Going somewhere. Going to Podback Mountcast, Mr. Potter. Am I evil? As we all know. You'll find out.

As we all know, this is Podback Mountcast. And today we're talking about... It's the films of Ang Lee. It's the films of Ang Lee. Two-time Academy Award winner Three time Because he gets the trophy for foreign film The country is given the trophy So it's not his

Two time best director winner Like Taiwan can let him have it But the trophy is always given to the country Not the filmmaker Let me tell you Taiwan lets him have it If you know what I'm saying. I did not get off his case. Why don't you write?

Why don't you call anymore? When the nomination is, it's like Crouching Tiger Jack in Taiwan. And then they'll be like, this is Taiwan's first Oscar. The director is always the one who gets to come up on stage. The director gets to come up because the whole country can't come up.

I mean, think about it. That's some bum fucking deal that you worked so hard for this movie and then the country's like, but remember who birthed you. I mean, imagine if I won an Oscar and then my dad was like, remember where you came from. Give me a piece of that. My balls. That's what he would say And the Oscar goes to My balls Griffin's dad's balls

My man Yeah My balls Nothing but respect for My balls Great episode Ben let's cancel it Let's cancel the whole thing

Yes Yeah Ben Can you just kill us both Right now Murder us Well after Yesterday's recording session I think I might. Yesterday's might have been the worst thing we've ever done.

It was over three hours with you guys. But we were in good moods. Yeah. I was sure. Challenge accepted. We were charming. We're not even going to say which episode that was, so we'll leave it to you guys to guess. Yeah, it came out either two years ago

or it will come out five years from now. Or I buried it with your bodies somewhere. Yeah, the raw audio footage. But at this point, we've been dead for a decade by the time this episode comes out. We have a great guest. Who's been doing such a good job speaking before we introduced. Damn right.

Damn right. Doing my best. I mean, we used to work together i don't know yeah well you guess it was a great year you just called me your intern yeah you were an intern i was your direct superior unbelievable no i was not your direct superior uh we work together mostly i would just slack you and be like is anyone else in the office and you'd be like no no it's just me it's just me and i'd be like great i'm not coming in well but then like later on i'd be like no come in there's like people and you were still not coming in no so no and then they took my desk away they did remember that and they finally did come in and i was like where's's my desk? And you were like, don't talk to me. They just took your home. You were like, I'm busy. Hey, listeners, don't say ew when you hear the name of this guest. Say EW.

Sure. Because it's Entertainment Weekly's own Shirley Lee. Don Pardo came back for Shirley. Nassim Pedran. Melissa Villasenor. I wish he was around to say that name. He would have made

a meal out of that one. That would have been five minutes. Melissa Villasenor. God. Musical guest SZA. There's so many things

he would have been running wild with right now. God. Who was that country guy on recently where I was like, I saw his name and I was like, is this like a hip hop guy? Stapleton? No.

Chris Stapleton? Is that right? Yeah, that sounds right. Chris, yes. He had like a big beard. Yeah. I never know who the musicians are anymore. I'm so old.

I'm not cool. Do you know? Do you know? Are you hip? You're finger on the pulse, right? Remember when Taylor dropped 1989 and we spent all day in the office listening to it? Did you say 1999? 1989. Is it 1989? You're old.

It was hard to shake that one off. It was hard to shake that one off. No, do you remember that? And it was P piece six It was the The French The French leak It was piece six

Remember piece six It was track six And then a couple of them Were switched around We had a We had a good day We had a blast that day That was a good day

Anyway this is Shirley Lee Yeah Yes hello Entertainment Weekly What's your title these days I am now Oh by the time this comes out Exactly

I am a staff writer Hells yeah Hello Special guest Shirley Lee On the record Musical guest The chain Chainsmokers. No. I refuse.

Imagine dragons. See that's the thing. If Pardo was saying it, we really would imagine those dragons. We would. We'd be like, oh man, imagine them. When Hammond says it, it sounds like a request. Alex Moffat. Imagine dragons. John Rudnitsky. If he comes to him and says it, it sounds like a request. Alex Moffat. Imagine Dragons?

John Rudnitsky. John, no. Forget it. He's gone. What's the new guy? Lucas Neff. No. No.

Neff is Raising Hope. Oh, that's the Raising Hope guy. Yeah. Love that guy. Trivia fact. Do you know he was supposed to be the titular good dinosaur in The Good Dinosaur? Yeah, they fired him. Yeah.

Wasn't good enough. They cast a six-year-old. I think that's like literally true. It's literally like that movie that then just starred children. Shirley, welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me.

You used to work at The Atlantic. Yes, I did. But now you work at EW. Yeah. Unfortunately. Because I'm no longer working for you. And you're moving out to LA. Yes.

EW is going to La La Land. Yeah. That's true. Yes, we are. We're in Nike Nike Land, but soon it'll be in La La Land. Right, but this is, we gotta sneak you in here. Weho. Weho. She's moving to Weho. Did you hear this? Really?

Weho. She's a Weho gal. Okay, what? E-Weho. I don't know. E-Weho. E-Weho. Sounds like something from Avatar. Wait a second. Wait a second. But how do we ho? What?

Hey, when you kill him, can you bring him back and kill him again? Yes. You know, double kill. How do we home? That's our new bit now. It's just if we say something not funny, you just add Mr. Potter. And you have to just gargle your way

through it. As he's being drowned. That's if Harry went wild and he starts killing Mr. Potter. That's where that would have gone. Can we just have a bottle of mouthwash in here so anytime I want to do Alan Rickman, I can take a swig.

Yeah, sure. Great. Put that on the per diem budget. Like Chick has a big per diem budget. But we had to sneak you in here. You're moving like a week from when we record. Yeah, two weeks. And also Shirley's got a lot of rivals in the audio boom so we had to sneak her past. That's true.

Yeah, yeah. They were all looking at me. Yeah, Shirley's going to WeHo, but before she does, we have to knock some sense into her. Some sense and sensibility. Your host, Sense, with musical guest, Sensibility. That was some fucking solid gold shit, my friends. My God. Wow. Oh, my God.

That was amazing. My brother Jamesy and I used to do this bit when my parents went out and they asked us to loosely look after our sister. My sister Romley. Because she was much younger than us. And when it wasn't like, hey, you have to babysit. But it was like, we're going out for like 30 minutes. Can you look after her? We would do this bit with the landlines

where we would go into one room and we'd call. There were two lines on the phone. So we'd call the main line off the second line. And we knew that Romley would pick up and then we'd pretend to be Don Pardo. Did she get that? And she'd go, Romley, it's Don Pardo. Did she get that? And she'd go, Romley, it's Don Pardo.

And she'd be like, clean up your room. And she didn't know what it was, but she'd go, I hate you, Don Pardo. Stop it, Don Pardo,

you're haunting me. Oh, yeah. What a class act she is. Yeah, one of the best in the face. All right. Well, thank you the best in the face. All right.

Well, thank you all for listening. Please remember to read. Shut up, subscribe. Shut up, Mr. Potter. The fourth film from Ang Lee. Fourth film, but first English language film. Yes. It's actually a film with an amazing development process.

I read a lot about it. Me too. Did you read a lot about it, Shirley? I did. I studied somewhat. Great. First screenplay by emma thompson emma t the producer colleen duran is that her name her name is not that lindsey duran okay had the last name right colleen duran is a comic book artist that sounds right i knew that name was familiar. Yes. She had a kind of miracle run in the 80s. She had a really good fucking run as a producer.

Let me go through some of those movies that she produced. Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Boom. Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. Boom. The Naked Gun. Boom. Pretty in Pink.

Boom. Ghost. Boom. And then she makes a movie called Dead Again. With? Emma Thompson. And then she makes a movie called Dead Again. With? Emma Thompson. And Kenneth Branagh. Kenneth Branagh.

Who made it. Gilderoy Lockhart. She did on her. Yes. And she used that for her Love Actually performance. You've been reading the headlines today. That was today. Yes.

Really? I knew that already, but she talked about it. Yeah, that Branagh. Do that already. He left her for her Howard Zinn castmate Helena Bonham Carter. Right, and then

Helena Bonham Carter left him for Tim Burton. Which was kind of like everyone's like, ha ha, he got Branagh. Who's he with now, Kenny? He's married.

Is he? I believe. To the Orient Express? He's married to the Orient Express. Spouse, Lindsay Bronick. Yeah. Alright. Married for 14 years, 15 years.

Emma T. met her second husband on this film. Greg Wise. Yes. Who is a Holly. Hello. Yes. She traded up. But Branagh.

I think Kent's fine. But Greg Wise is hotter now. Because if he has this soul patch, it's not good. Yeah, not a good decision. And Thompson had sort of come to Hollywood together. Because he has this like soul patch you know it's not good yeah not a good decision Branagh and Thompson had sort of come to Hollywood together because he was this like wunderkind

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the Spielberg Shakespeare adaptations Steven Spielberg's heading to fifth give me the gummies back yeah fine you ate so many they come together

hush you can go to hell surely I'm going to WeHo yeah it's another name for hell

wow La La Land so they land in Hollywood together they make a big splash La La Land in Hollywood more like

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They are a bit. But what people don't understand, because Emma Thompson comes to prominence in the States as this very serious actress in these Tony literary films. You're talking about Emma? Yes, is that she started out in sketch comedy. She did. Like almost any Brit,

she can do it all. Hugh Laurie, Stephen Fry, Emma Thompson. They were treading those boards together. In Cambridge. Sketches, laughs, make-em-ups. Because Cambridge Footlights, it's kind of like Harvard Lampoon. It's like, ooh, the smart schools got the funny people. They get to

have everything. But yeah, she was very famous. I believe they won the Perrier Award. I believe they did. Which is a big deal. So push forward to the 90s. She's viewed as a serious actress. She's got a couple nominations under her belt.

She's won Best Actress. She wins an Oscar in 1992. Right. I mean, for Howard Zinn. But while this transition is happening, Lindsay Duran has started revisiting a promise she made to herself as a young girl. If I ever make a career in Hollywood,

if I'm ever to become a successful producer, I want to adapt Sense and Sensibility. Right. Her favorite book, and you know, Austin, not in style. No. Very much not in style. No, prior to the sort of Austin revival. This is the Austin revival. This and the same year

as the BBC Pride and Prejudice. Which is like both of those sort of make it cool again. And it ends with Jane Austen's Mafia. And Persuasion was also this year.

With Kieran Hins? Yeah. He is hot. Oh, there you go. And that thing. Karen Hine in the studio? Hello. Steppenwolf.

So, she goes, it's time. thing. Karen Hine in the studio? Hello! Steppenwolf! Um, so, she goes, it's time. I took a day off. I took a plane, a train, an automobile. It's time for me to finally make Sense and Sensibility. I'm pretty in pink. She's pretty in pink. I'm a ghost. Okay, well, jeez, come on, no time for

bits. Um, so she goes, who should I get to write this? And she's scanning looking far and wide for the right the right screenwriter when she sees some of Emma Thompson's

old sketches sure and she goes this is tweaking that era the social mores of the time oh this is the modern Ben I need on

so she goes to her and goes can you write this? And she goes, I'm not a screenwriter. That's true. She'd never written a screen. But eventually kind of chips away at her, so she works on it. Fine, I'll do it. And for years, you know, like, because this movie comes out in 95.

I think she hired her in like 1991? 1990. Yeah, it spans the time of, she hires her when she's an emerging actress, and by the time the film's actually going into production, she's won an Oscar. Right, which is why she's in the movie. Right, because originally she was not planning to be in it. No, she's horribly miscast.

She's very good anyway, but she's crazy wrong for the role. She wanted it to be. The Richardson sisters. Kieran Hintz, yes, right. Yeah, she wanted Kieran Hintz to play both. No, no, no, she wanted Steppenwolf as one, and Kieran Hintz as the other. So he would play both, but Kieran Hintz to play both no no no she wanted Steppenwolf as one and Kieran Hintz

as the other so he would play both but you know Kieran Hintz as himself the younger what if the sequel to Justice League

is Steppenwolf starting the Steppenwolf theater company and then also he releases Born to be Wild yeah

Darkseid Metron Orion yeah they all start a theater company. Yeah, exactly. Grainy Goodness.

Yeah. Big Barda. I could keep going. It's like this all the time. No, I know. Even off mic. Even worse off mic. This is restrained.

I mean, I was kind of nervous coming into this because I was like, I'm going to be seeing them in the wild. Yeah, yeah. Now I'm getting it. Getting in the cage of the lions. We hang out all the time, Shirley. You and I hang out, David. Griffin, I've only known in like... Very serious professional capacity. Breaking big.

Yeah, Shirley came and did a piece on set of The Tick. And I was breaking big. People kept on saying it on set. They go, yeah, look at that guy. He's breaking big. Breaking big, all right. Breaking big. I'm here. heart. I'm just breaking my heart.

What a disaster. Emma Thompson wanted the Richardson sisters. Yes, she did. Jolie and Natasha. Right. R.I.P. But by the time that the film was actually getting a green light, Emma Thompson was such a big movie star that they said, you got to be in it. Right, but didn't she also say that she kind of wanted to do it afterwards?

She was so immersed in the script and this would help her approach it from an acting perspective. Yeah, and it does kind of work because the character's supposed to be 21 in the book, right? Which, if you saw a movie today starring a 21-year-old and they put down in front of her as an old spinster, you'd be like, what the fuck is going on? Right, but it's appropriate in the book, yes.

Right, there's certain changes they made like that. on her as an old spinster, you'd be like, what the fuck is going on? It's appropriate in the book. There's certain changes they made like that. She talked about how she increased the level of their wealth so that the drop in lifestyle would be easier to understand. Certain things she did for a modern prison. She tweaked things, but you know. I've read that book. It's a good adaptation.

I've never read the book. I've read them all. Are you an awesome i am i haven't read them all though i haven't read her uh posthumous ones um lady susan a girl who kicked the hornet's nest yeah the castle that exploded or whatever um no i in college i took a j Jane Austen class, which in England. Please go on. Not like a particularly like radical thing to do. Wait, wait, wait. You're confusing two stories here.

So you went to college, but also you were in England at a different point in time on a vacation or something. I thought we got this out of the way. How you doing, Ben? Just, no, clarify. Yeah. I grew up in England, which included attending university there. Oh. The Newcastle University.

Oh, my God. No. I believe Claire Lamont was my Jane Austen professor. Okay. And it was, every class at college was 40 people. Mm-hmm. You know, so lectures were 40, and then you'd split up into little groups of like five. And I was the only boy.

There was 39 girls and me. Wow. Yeah, it was weird. Now, did you feel threatened? Yeah, exactly. I felt like they were all ghostbusters, you know? I gotta say, that kind of busting makes me feel bad. So I read, obviously, when taking this class,

I read all of Austin's novels. Yeah. I'd read a couple before. At knife point. The player was like, listen! 39 women came up to you and said, you better get it! So lonely. Yeah.

The one boy. But it is, so it is a pretty good adaptation? I think so, yeah. I think this is the best Austin film adaptation bar none. Like, I do think like you know, the BBC Pride and Prejudice miniseries is better, but that has the advantage of being six hours long, so you can really. What do think the BBC Pride and Prejudice miniseries is better but that has the advantage of being six hours long

so you can really What do you think, Cheryl? I think when I think about Austin adaptations I like the BBC Pride and Prejudice I like the BBC Emma

I like Clueless if you can count that. Clueless rules are so good. Clueless is great. You love Clueless. It's like the movie I've seen more than

any other movie. But this one because it kickstarted it really I think it does it's the same year too oh crazy it was just kind of a masterstroke to bring in someone who from a comedy background well yes that right but then also to bring in a director who at the i think at this time barely spoke english like certainly didn't know austin very. Well, he went to school here. He went to school here. He went to NYU.

But he wanted to be an actor at one point, and his English wasn't good enough. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. He's so handsome. He would have been a nice actor.

Okay. Why did I think that on the set of this- He did not speak English very well. It's true. I read some interview with him where he was- It wasn't like he had to speak through a translator, but like- He may have been being self-deprecating. It's not like...

Jean-Pierre Jeunet, when he directed Alien Resurrection, literally couldn't speak to the cast. I think this, with Ang Lee, he just didn't feel super comfortable in his English. Like it was... He was directing in a second language, and it was very much a second language. It was also a cultural...

There was also a cultural barrier. Well, right. There's this Emma Thompson interview where she talks about how brutal he was. Where he would just come up and be like, can you try and look less old? Which I think is a really funny thing for someone to say that. Or just come and be like, boring. That was boring.

This is boring. Boring? Yes. That's my big note. but he also this is boring he also boring yes

that's my big note he said that in China the tradition is kind of like that the director is deferred to on all counts

yeah in Taiwan he's from Taiwan yes the director is deferred to on all counts and so when he was on set and like Hugh Grant

and Emma Thompson would go like oh could I do this he would feel like they were threatening his position. Like they were disrespecting him. So this is where he's learning to collaborate too. There was a two-way

street kind of thing where both sides were like, I haven't worked with someone who works like this before. Apparently there was also a lot of meditation on set. He likes, he wasn't it like he literally was like, you need to chill out, you seem really anxious. He put like pillows on the floor and do breathing breathing exercises the two things he said he was like really big on with this movie were um uh emma thompson said she's never worked with a director who was more

attuned to body language and he you know likes a sort of unvarnished acting style and he was very interested in with a lot of classically trained theatrical actors, removing a certain heightened sense of needing to sort of communicate, project, you know, not like literally project, but sort of very didactically illustrate what they're feeling at all times. That he wanted more behavioral performances, which these actors are not used to giving. And also he wanted to break down their movie star personas. Sure. Like he wanted them to just kind of exist. Because Hugh Grant's performance in this is fascinating. He told him to tone it down.

Yeah. And he was like, Tone it down, Hugh. I mean, again, I'm sure he was really brutal and direct about it. But no, also, this is the height also of Hugh being all mannerism. His four weddings is the year before. Yeah. Which is like, oh, well, as Donny Usman used to say.

Just like he takes 500 years to arrive at a point. And he's like the biggest star in the movie at this point. He's like so hot at this moment. That's probably true. Although, you know, Emma, again, Oscar winner, blah, blah, blah. But Hugh Grant was like just exploding. People were all rolling. Any Hugh Grant, they wanted it. Right, and it's like, he's got a supporting part,

he took a big budget cut, and then he was like, also, don't do any of your Hugh Grant shit. Also, Hugh, I've got my eye on you. Yeah, right. Like, watch it. Also, did you know where Emma Thompson was born? Paddington! See, I studied, I told you. Yes! That is cool. She grew up in Paddington. Which is, like, now, why hasn't she been in? Paddington. Really? See, I studied. I told you. Yes. That is cool.

She grew up in Paddington. Which is like, now why hasn't she been in a Paddington? She should be the villain in Paddington. Seems like an oversight. Yeah. Also, the other thing

about this movie is you're like, every, like, speaking of Alan Rickman, like, everyone in this movie is in fucking Harry Potter.

It's like so funny. Like, even like the bat, you know, like Cornelius Fudge is in this movie. Like, where you're just like, Jesus. Like, that's all Harry Potter was they'd be like

put on Sense Sensibility I'm sure we'll find another actor pluck another one out of here except for Hugh Grant Hugh Grant pointedly turned down Lockhart

he was the first choice and he would have been good and instead they cast Kenneth Brown so they got Kenny who's good he's a good Lockhart he's funny in that movie

he should go by Kenny B. You know what? You know what? You're right. He should be. Yep. Put in some sex music right there. Now that I'm thinking about it.

Ben's back on his phone. The thing that's funny is when I make a suggestion to Ben and he has this resigned reaction where he's like, that's probably a good idea. And then he actually types it in. He types it in. He pecks it in. Huey Grant. Yes. I have a quote from it in. He pecks it in. Huey Grant. Yes. I have a quote

from Ang Lee I want to read. Please. Can I read it? Yeah, please. Okay, give me a second. I lost it. Jesus Christ. In some ways I probably know that 19th century world better than English people today because I grew up with one foot still in that feudal society. Feudal

not feudal. Of course, the dry sense of humor, the sense of decorum, the social code is different, but that essence of social repression against free will, I grew up with that. That's Ang Lee's take on sense and sense. Pretty smart. Yeah, he's fucking smart.

And I also think his sort of behavioral humanist style helps strip this movie of some of the things that can make these films feel distant. You know, if you get too caught up in the sort of trappings of the era, rather than cutting through to the human struggles, which he understood, obviously, because he came from a similar type of parallel society. What do you think, Shirley?

I think that's true, but I also think it shouldn't all, you know, go to, you know, the credit shouldn't all go to Ang Lee. No. It's also Emma's changes.

He said, really helped it. And he said like, I was a hire. Right. Like it was, you know, she,

the movie started with those two, the producer and Emma. This is like a very smart collaboration between two people who are unorthodox choices who both brought really interesting things. It is just crazy though. It's like,

they're like, this is kind of a risky movie, you know, written by a first-time writer. Right. Who should we hire? Well, there's this like social comedy from Taiwan I liked. You know, it's like he's not someone like. He'd gotten two consecutive best foreign film nominations. That sounds right. So he was like in that state that happens sometimes.

Yeah, where people are like, oh. Someone makes like a big foreign film. They're like, you want to come to Hollywood? Try something out. Right, but not usually to do a Jane Austen movie. Usually a Jane Austen movie will be done by your Michael Apted. I know he never did one, but you know what I mean? Your Mike Newells.

Exactly. But even though Emma Thompson... Middle of the road, sort of British director guy. TV theater guys who had sort of risen through the ranks. Even though Emma Thompson becomes such a big movie star, everyone was like, you can't make a film from a first-time screenwriter.

Sure. Like, everyone was still holding that against them. It also had kind of a big budget. $16 million was like a decent-sized budget. And that was because this was post-Little Women.

That's right. So they were like, oh. Good point. It was pre-post. All right, so now we've oriented ourselves. It's post-Little Women, pre-post. Right. This episode is post-Little Women, post-post Alright so now We've oriented ourselves It's post Little Women

Right Pre-post Right This episode Is post Little Women Post post Yeah correct Post post era

But pre our Little Women episode Oh Little Women episode Who directed that one That wasn't Mike Newell right It was That was someone like No

Oh was it One of you two Oh it directed by A female director Right It's not It's not Gillian Anderson, is it? No, that's an actress.

I'm sorry. Gillian Armstrong. Thank you. Sorry. Sorry. Apology accepted. Okay. Amy Pascal is the one who gets this movie greenlit.

Because she's got some juice at Sony at this time. Yes. And she goes, like, we should take the shot on this. We should take the swing. And it pays off handsomely. At Columbia, yes. It it pays off handsomely at Columbia yes it does pay off handsomely the movie was a hit and it got lots of Oscar nominations

and it sparked a ongoing Jane Austen trend that I feel like fluctuates it does fluctuate it'll come back but then you're right and also then sometimes they're like Jane Austen biopic you know it's like they're sort of out of books so they're like becoming Jane Austen biopic? You know, it's like they're sort of out of books.

So they're like, Becoming Jane? Are you into that? And people are like, no. Austen land? Right. And the Jane Austen book club, they keep trying like these Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. Yeah.

Like there's only one truly great Austen film and it's this one. Oh, right. Because then there's like, Emma is like pretty good but you could just watch this again the joe wright pride and prejudice is kind of i really like that movie i really like the joe wright one yeah but i feel like it also takes so many exactly i think that's a yes it's a pretty good movie that's ripping off this movie and then

like taking the stuff out of it that's like too j Austen-y. Yeah. It also fucks up the ending, in my opinion, so extremely, but whatever. Yeah. Is this because... It's too like romantic. He's like turning it into a Bronte movie when it shouldn't be.

You know what I mean? Like it's too like... Right, right, right. And it's all orange. But wasn't that an ending that only some audiences saw? I don't know. The Pride and Prejudice one?

Yeah, I feel like it was supposed to be... Is there two endings? Is there like a clue? No. No, no, no. It's just like the very last thing with Lizzie and Darcy. Some people didn't see that. Really?

I could be lying. He cut that out? Well, it's just some editions were shown. Interesting. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. Can you look this up on your laptop?

In the US release of the film which is America big country right an additional last scene where all of us grew up outside of Pemberley happy together crazy interesting

did not know they didn't so that's even more insulting I was like well the Americans get that they like each other McFadden's also kind of a wet blanket in that movie I actually like him

in that movie but he's playing that character right I like his sunrise stroll that's all I will like him in that movie, but he's playing that character right. I like his sunrise stroll. That's all I will say about that. I don't think he's bad. The character's a fucking jerk. The character sucks.

And he's dialed into that. Knightley's so good in that, though. She's good. She is. And I don't hate that movie. I think it's a so-so Austin movie,

if that makes sense. It's country. It is. It's a good watch. But then... Nice music. This was... So I was looking at... This has some nice music. This has some nice music. Hello's country. It is. It's a good watch. But then Nice music. This was so I was looking at

This has some nice music. This has some nice music. Hello Patrick. Right which is this is right after he does his Henry score and it kept on sounding

like it was about to go into the big The big trailer music. Yeah right. Yeah. It's like constantly like teetering on that.

The thing I was going to say though is there was like a lot of controversy at the time that Ang Lee didn't get nominated for Best Director because this movie kind of got the across-the-board nominations, and he got the Golden Globe nomination and the DGA nomination. So I was like, who did he get replaced

by? And this was one of those years where all three of those didn't line up at all. Because Ron Howard wins the DGA but doesn't get nominated for the Oscar. That is a weird year. They nominated Chris Noonan for Babe.

And Michael Radford for Il Postino, which is fucking dumb. Right. And then Figgis and Gibson wins. Gibson wins. And then Figgis is a low,

you know, Figgis' movie was not a picture nominee and there's another that was not a picture nominee. There's another that's not a picture nominee. An actor. It's another that's actor and actress there's another that's not a picture nominee an actor it's another actor another actor director oh oh right it's tim robbins for dead man walking right his first oscar nomination yeah it's odd very odd it's a weird

year that to me that's crazy i don't think noon noon is a worthy nominee in a lot of ways i definitely don't think radford is uh i'd put Ang Lee above both of them. Well, and then the other weird thing with Noonan is like, And I'd put Ron Howard above both of them probably. Noonan gets nominated,

it's his first film and then in the years afterwards everyone's like, George Miller kind of directed a lot of that movie and then Noonan doesn't make another movie for 15 years and when he does

it's Mrs. Potter. Which sucks. Right. Going somewhere. Mrs. Potter. It's Mish Potter. And then they did a sequel, Peter Rabbit. which sucks right going somewhere Mrs. Potter it's Miss Potter and then they did a sequel Peter Rabbit

yes in which Rose Byrne plays Beatrix Potter I want you to say it she plays Beatrix Potter I want Griffin to say it Beatrix Potter she plays Beatrix Potter

she plays Beatrix Potter and that rabbit fox yes he does it's a rabbit rabbit who fox hot rabbit who fucks. Harf. So there was a controversy at the time.

Harf. Is it gone yet? People said it was like discrimination in Hollywood that he hadn't gotten nominated. Well, sure, because also how many Asian people had been nominated for Best Director? Zero, right? Big goose. Little did we know he would later go on to win two. But at this time...

Hey, Cheryl. Hi. Wee-ho. Hello. At this time... Just... Taiwanese government was getting angry and getting loud about it. And he had to go to them and be like, please stop complaining about this. I don't want to make it sound like... This is too much of a fuss. Right.

Let's not turn this into a thing. I want to keep working in Hollywood. The country was like screaming. Sometimes you exaggerate. And I also think he made a good point about like, you know, I don't want to be the one person representing all Asians. Emma won an Oscar.

Well, that too. Right, right, right. But also just the one person, you know, Emma won an Oscar for this movie. Yes. But you're right. Yes. No one wants to be like. The one, the lone representative. Even though he is.

It's just. And then it's annoying where it's like, well, we nominated Ang Lee. Right. Did we fix everything? We did it. I think so. Good. But.

Anyway, Mel Gibson wins Best Director. Goodbye. It is interesting though. Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson. He won Best Director. It is interesting, though. Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson, yes. He won Best Director. It is interesting that... He was the winner.

For what movie? Braveheart. Braveheart, yeah. Freedom! It is interesting to me that Best Director, more so than any other category over the last 12 years, has a greater diversity at the Oscars. You mean, right, because I'm assuming

this Sunday's going to go a certain way and we're probably going to have four Mexican winners in five years, which is interesting. We're on two Enaratus, a Del Toro, two Anglies. Sure.

I mean, and then there are only a handful of white guys who actually win Best Director now. And Alone Bigelow. And Alone Biggs. Hazan Avicius. Yeah, Hazan Avicius. He won Best Director. Yeah. That guy. We didius. Yeah, Hazan Avicius. He won Best Director.

That guy. We did that. Yeah, that was a choice. Ben Affleck didn't even win. No. Not even Ben Affleck. Not even Ben Affleck. The mighty Ben Affleck.

Remember when Ang Lee won for Life of Pi and then there was that picture from eating the In-N-Out Burger with the Oscar that was pretty great he's so great he seems like a very good person my friend Spike used to always say

that any picture of Ang Lee looks like he's about to cry because he's got kind of a red nose and he's always got like a sort of like wistful smile he's got this sort of wan smile

a lot of the time yeah he just looks like not like he's depressed, but like he's touched. Like he's constantly gonna cry out of just like gentility. I feel like he's just, yeah, touched to be honored. Yeah. It's like, it's delighted to be nominated. Overcome by the complexity

of the human condition. Like I've watched both of his speeches and I remember them both being like nice speeches, but I don't remember either of them. Seems like a nice man. Seems like a nice guy. Right. There's one where he says, I just can't quit you. And then. Right. Yeah.

The other one. Where he says, I'm the king of the world. Where he says, Mr. Potter. Mr. Potter. Yeah, because, right. Of course he went to school. Because he was buds with Spike Lee.

Yeah. I always forget about that. He was an NYU guy. Aang and Spike. Aang and Spike. Aang and Spike. Aang and Spike. But that's also the big deal. They're both my uncles.

Damn right. His three Taiwanese films. Shirley's got a wild family. Yeah. Wild. His three Taiwanese films were like American productions. 2014's wild. Oh, sorry.

What? His three Taiwanese films were all like American, like partially American productions. Right, right. And James Seamus is always there with him. He has one foot in, one foot out until this movie that like fully brings him over to the States. And then he makes two flops and he goes back over. Right.

But I think his notion was that it was like, okay, I want to be a filmmaker, a Taiwanese filmmaker. Let me go to NYU because that's the best film school. And then after I'm done, I'll go back to Taiwan and work in that industry. But he just couldn't quit America. I mean, they've got money for movies. Yeah. And they want him.

So the movie, Sense and Sensibility. Ben, what did you think? Ben texted us about this film. At 2am? Yeah, 1.30. I start watching it. What the fuck is going on? I have no idea.

What are you confused by? Who are these people? What do they want from each other? What's happening? What happened to that guy on his deathbed? He's dying. He's dying. I don't know.

It's not clear to me. You need some fucking baguettes so you get that Tom Wilkinson's dying? He just seems sick. 15 comedy points. Thank you. I'm imagining you going to every single movie you watch being like, who the fuck are these people? Make it clear. Oh my god.

It would be funny if he was like, I am your father, of course, and I am dying. I think Tom Wilkinson literally does say, I'm dying. It's something. Or once I die. He's on a deathbed. You got that he was on a deathbed. Did he close his eyes?

Then he eats the hard cut to, and like a coffin sinking into the ground. It would have been helpful. You need the cut scene to the funeral. Right. Where they're standing around. At least. Tom Wilkinson. Someone's like throwing some dirt, you know.

Ashes to ashes. Very sad for you. Tom to Wilkinson. Even people just leaving a cemetery together in the rain. That'd be good. It would be like, it was so sad when Tom Wilkinson died. I would have loved that guy. He'll be in the Full Monty in a couple years.

Goodbye. And then Batman begins eventually. Batman will begin in due time. Doctor, doctor, I can't take it. I'm going crazy. Actually, I'm sorry to embarrass you, Shirley. Quick correction. Bartman is the one who began.

Oh, shit. That's right. That's one of your things. Bartman began. God. One of his things is the nicest way to describe that kind of behavior. I'm so sorry. I shouldn't say it like that.

We don't know each other well enough. That's some of your bullshit. I'm so sorry. I shouldn't say it like that. We don't know each other well enough. That's some of your bullshit. To be fair, Ben has a point because we did establish Grandma Razi rules on this podcast where if you don't see the body in the coffin, then they're not dead, which is why my Grandma Razi has been alive for the last 15 years and just not calling me.

Yeah, right. You know, every time you bring that up, it's a huge bummer. My Grandma Maz Kaneda. So, yeah, your Grandma Maz. Okay. I just saw Lupita last night oh god nobody cares jesus christ keep it in your hands see if people care surely what did she say i loved your greatest showman piece she didn't need to say that she said said that with her eyes and her body language. She said it with her body language.

Ang Lee approved. Yeah. Sense and sensibility. So Mr. Dashwood, the great character that Ben responded to so well, Tom Wilkinson. Dies. He dies. He leaves his estate to his son. Also leaves his mortal coil.

True. Played by James Wilby. Yeah. And he's like, oh, I suppose I'll take your estate. Right. And I'll admit, that first scene, you're like,

who fucking cares about this? Where's Emma Thompson at? Little Stodgwick. I'm here for Winslet. But he says, he's a huge Hovering Creatures fan. Look, I'm leaving the estate to you.

I got these two Spencer daughters, your sister. They have the gall to be unmarried. Yeah, one of them is like 27? Yeah. Or they change her age in this to 27. Right? Yeah. Right. And the other one is like 17. Yeah, right.

Weird, honestly. And he's just like, just do me a favor. Promise you're going to take care of them. Right. And then he goes back to his wife and she's like, I like money for me. Yeah, for my family. Yes. So, Eleanor.

You've got Eleanor. We love her. She's played by Emma T. Then you got Marianne. K-W. Then you got Margaret. Don't forget about Margaret. Played by... I forget her name. Oh my god. It's French. It ised by I forget her name Oh my god Yeah Uh oh It's French

It is French Emily Le She changed her name Emily Le Francais She changed her name Wait you mean after this movie After She like

We don't have to go into this Emily Francois Yeah She's like an academic now And she Interesting Yeah Well she's very cute in this movie

But yeah that was it Hiding Huh Ugh Oh you didn't like me calling her cute? No. She's very cute. She is adorable.

Yeah, she's a cute little girl. Yeah, she's cute. Adorkable. She likes asses. She is a little adorkable for 1795 or whatever. It's like the 1790s. Wait, no. Early 1800s.

No, Sense and Sensibility is the 18th century. It was published 1811. It was published later. Okay, it was published 1811. It was published later. Whatever. Sense and Sensibility is the 18th century. It was published 1811. It was published later. Okay. It was published 1811. Published later. Whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. But this is set pre-Napoleon, I'm pretty sure. Okay. I'm going to look it up. Okay. When's it set? Do you know who the original edition was credited to? By a lady.

A lady. By a lady. It was anonymously published. Yes. Are you serious? But I love that they just- By a lady a lady by a lady it was anonymously published are you serious but I love that by a lady she was like

no no not my name but they were like come on we want to tell people that a lady wrote it so say it's by a lady that's a great impression

of Jane Austen yeah exactly they should have said it was written by I gotta do everything around here say it's by a lady get my fucking back I'm Jane Austen Yeah, exactly. They should have said it was written by... I gotta do everything around here. Come on. Get my fucking back.

I'm Jane Austen. You can go anytime, surely. If this is uncomfortable. Open invitation to leave. They should have said it was published by a period lady. Oh, like that was her name? Yeah. Lord Alfonso Lady.

Anyway, yeah. She first wrote it in 1795. Published it many years later. You know, it's right around the turn of the 19th century, essentially. And the idea is that England at the time was this very like classical obsessed country. Everyone wanted to look like a fucking Greek statue. They've all got those goddamn curls ringlets so many fucking ringlets and you know like sort of intelligence and poise poise and the calm like and then oh i've got my little book here you know right and like hey winslet's sensibility she's the one who's like she you know she's getting ready for

the romantic era she's like i want like passion and like i get to like walk around once in a while come on you know like that's that's what abouts to like passionate behavior in this right she's like i'm going on a walk i'll see you later and i'm not sitting at my piano forte my piano anytime they say that i get so jazzed uh so that's that's what's happening here. Yeah. Kind of a crossroads, you know? And when's this?

19 in this? Like the actress? Yes. Like how old was she? She'd done Heavenly Creatures and that was it pretty much, right? And you know, Ang Lee didn't even want her to audition.

He didn't like Heavenly Creatures. Or he didn't like the performance at least. Yeah, or at least my understanding of that is kind of like he was like, she played like a psycho in that movie. I don't really see her for this. So they wanted her for Lucy. Right, and then she walked in and she

was like, I will be auditioning for Marianne. She lies a lot in her auditions. I know. She's like very good for cute. But this was one of those like stars born performances where she gets the Oscar because everyone's like, who the fuck is this? Oscar nomination. Right, right. She wins the SAG?

Maybe. I can look it up. I think she wins either the SAG or the Globe, but she gets nominated for Best Supporting Actress. This to me, and it's burned in my memory, I've seen this movie many times, but I hadn't seen it in a while. Yeah. Surely. Had you seen it in a while? Yeah, I revisited it a few weeks ago. For this, obviously.

But I mean, it's just her face when she sees old Greg Wise with, you know, that snooty bitch at the party. Like, he's like

burned in my memory where she's just like immediately heartbroken. I remember when I saw it the first time, I was like, she's, this is a star. Right, it's one of those things

where like, you get an Oscar nomination not because it was like one of the most technically complex performances of the year. She won the sack. She won the sack. But because it's like Jesus Christ this person's just hit fully formed. Right. And then you know she gets

satanic off of this. I thought you said gets satanic. Yeah she gets real satanic. And then books titanic. No she lost the Golden Globe and the Oscar to 1996. I mean 95, 96 Oscars. mercedes rule no that's a couple years earlier oh right that's i always think that movie's later in the 90s than it is no

it's kind of one of those ones where you're like oh right they won an oscar she's been in the news recently which i actually think is a great performance. I love her in that movie. I've never seen that movie. Mighty Aphrodite. Have you seen Mighty Aphrodite? I actually haven't. It's a good movie. It's an okay movie. But that is a weird

win. Yeah, it is a little bit. Kate was young and they were like, we'll get to her. She'll make some Holocaust movie like 20 years from now. We'll figure it out. That's the weird thing is like, Winslet's nominated five times before she hits 30. So by the time she's 35,

it feels like she's Geraldine Page. I know, she gets to the Deborah Care zone for sure. She's Kate Linslet. Right. Oh! Oh my God. Surely Hollywood's going to push back if you come in this hot. I'm telling you, it's a tough town.

Can you guys leave? I'll just do this podcast. Shirley's move in Slack used to be. Do you still do this at EW? Nobody has fun to do it. So Shirley's move in Slack would be to drop a joke like that, which is just obviously like an atomic bomb in Slack. And then type the leaves emoji

as if she's like dashing out leaves and it was classic classic Shirley when you explain it and then she would come back and be like

haha weird right leaves haha hey leaves like over and over again she's a very like kinetic slacker that's good

also because we had nothing to do yeah we didn't have a lot to do that little transition period there. Griffin's laughing, Liz.

I'm laughing. I think it's funny. I think it's a good bit. 15 comedy points. What do you want me to say here? Jesus, will you

fucking relax? Have some gummies. Shitting bricks over there. I wish I was shitting bricks. I had diarrhea this morning.

I know. Shitting water. Not a joke. Coming up on an hour. Cool. Remember when we were going to keep this one short? We got like 10 an hour. Cool. Cool. Remember when we were going to keep this one short?

We got like 10 minutes left. We're good. I'm wrapping this up. We're bringing the train to the station. Well, it's not. It's. Okay. I mean, it is actually a potty movie in terms of like lots of little stuff going on.

A lot of smooching. I mean, basically. A lot of backdoor smooching. Well, not really. No smooching. You don't see it on screen, but it's about secret smooches. No, there's no smooches. They shot a smooch. Did, not really. You don't see it on screen, but it's about secret smooches. No, there's no smooches. They shot a smooch.

Did they? They did. Between whom? They shot on Edward and Eleanor. Sure. Hugh and Em's. Is there actually a single on-screen kiss on this one?

I don't think so. No. It's about secret engagements. Well, there's a lot of that. It's about looks and glasses. And sort of loaded conversation. Yeah. Like flowers. The final... No, no, no. Well, there's a lot of that. It's about looks and glasses. And like sort of loaded conversation. Yeah.

Like flowers. The final. No, no, no. Do they kiss right at the end? It's certainly not one of those kisses where you're like. It's a kiss. Like that. This was just my read of the movie, but I feel like it's also kind of about sense and sensibility.

Oh, fuck. I should throw this at you. The weird little fake iPhone. David's become obsessed. There's a piece of the desk on the recording studio that comes out so the wires can go through it and David holds it and it looks like a cell phone. It looks like a cell phone because it has a circle like an old home button.

And we can keep exploring this. I'm cutting all of this out. We're keeping it all in. You are keeping it in. What is this? I think that we were going to cut it out until you did that. keeping it all in. You are keeping it in. What is this? I think that we were going to cut it out until you did that. Now it's in. The first 20 minutes of the movie, maybe even

half an hour, is Eleanor, Marianne, and Margaret, and their mom, played by the mom from Bridget Jones. And they live in this nice house yeah very nice let's also

Norland Park yes let's not rush through these first 20 minutes let's take it slow well no I mean like all the characters my favorite

character name's very important and then you know James Willoughby and the wife show up who plays the wife she's another one of those actors who just kind of

she's like a stage actor yeah yeah yeah she's great love her is Willoughby the original she's in Star Wars The Force Awakens she plays the wife she's another one of those actors who just kind of she's like a stage actor yeah yeah yeah she's great love her is Willoughby the original fuckboy she's in Star Wars The Force Awakens

she plays the doctor who looks after Chewbacca yeah remember Chewbacca's like and she's like very brave oh yes remember how Force Awakens about how everyone wants to fuck Chewbacca

yeah cause that doctor's digging him Maz Kanata's digging him that's it everyone's digging him in that movie. All true.

No, no. Is Willoughby... We'll get to Willoughby. Is Willoughby the original fuckboy is my question. I think he might be. Willoughby. Well, I guess... Well, yeah.

It's the first novel. So, technically, he's the OG. Right. He's the OG fuckboy. But a bigger fuckboy is Wickham. Sure. Oh, mm. He's the OG fuck boy. But a bigger fuck boy is Wickham. Sure. Oh, mm.

Wow. He's like a serial fuck boy. I guess it gets into how you define fuck boy. Do you know what I'm saying? When I see Willoughby, I'm like, that's a fuck boy to me. Yeah, he is because he knows it. Well, yeah. He knows it. He's a little stinker.

He's playing. Like, Wickham's just kind of like a fucking moron. Yeah, he's an idiot. And a piece of shit. Willoughby is like, let me knock you up, and then I'm a piece of shit. I'll leave. I'm a piece of shit. You know what?

What seals the deal for me is the Willoughby speech of like, I have to go to Lovato. You know? Yeah, it's all the wildflowers is a real move. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's like, he like, oh. No, I just, I got him from a field. No, anyway. Oh my god. That's like, he like, no, I just got him from a field.

You're right. He's the original fuckboy of literature. I guess the OG fuckboy is Adam, right? Sure. I gotta eat this apple, honey. I gotta. Wait, no. I don't know my Bible. She eats it.

She's the one who brings it to him have you not read the bible it's not progressive it casts all of humanity's sins onto a woman this is not progressive at all it's why the bible just starts out and they're like

god created the earth and you're like oh this is cool this is chill and then it's like eve Eve, by the way, all her fault. Ten pages in already. Wait a second. Are you saying the Bible isn't woke?

Not woke. Someone pointed that out. Someone said something like that to me recently. I mean, the Bible is like really problematic. I was like, oh, you think the Bible. Yeah, but the Bible's cool with gay people, right? Anyway, we're not, you think the Bible. Yeah, but the Bible's cool with gay people, right? Anyway,

we're not here to trash the Bible. That's a good book. Just cut everything out. Sure. With this, it becomes the most listened to podcast

of all time. That's probably gonna happen. I mean, surely. Hey! Surely also makes me kind of goofy because like, I don't know why.

Yeah. Now I'm curious. I don't know. I! Shirley also makes me kind of goofy, because, like, I don't know why. Yeah. Now I'm curious. I don't know. I'm goofy. You apparently described Shirley to me as human Pikachu. As a human Pikachu. She just makes me happy. She's a human Pikachu.

Are you becoming a detective? That would be fun. We have to do a special episode of Detective Pikachu, right? Yeah, we have to. We have to. That's got to be on one right yeah right yeah we have to we have to that's gotta be on the books do you know the story behind the detective pikachu movie i got a sidebar i mean i don't know i mean there's a detective pikachu movie pokemon goes blowing up right yeah legendary is like you know what let's pull the trigger

let's get a fucking pokemon movie let's get going. And Nintendo's always been This is what I'm saying. She's such a cornball. She's killing it. She's killing it. What are we talking about? Let's get going. Let's get a fucking Pokemon movie

on the books, right? Yeah. Nintendo's always been very protective of their properties. Only now are certain to let people adapt things because they were so burned by

Because there's a Mario movie coming now again. Right. They were burned by Hoskins. But also they only co-own Pokemon with another company called the Pokemon Holding Company. They're holding on.

So Legendary's in like intense negotiations. They're taking pitches from different writers. Max Landis pitches a Pokemon movie in which the characters are children named Red and Blue. You get it? Ew. And they're, like, so close to signing the deal, and everything's great,

and they're, like, it's leaking out to Deadline. Like, Legendary's about to announce a Pokemon movie. They're going to make a $200 million live-action Pokemon movie. And at the last minute, the Pokemon holding company is like, we will only let you do Detective Pikachu. And rather than be like, oh, okay, then forget it. Then they were like, he's a detective?

Wait a second, wait a second. Hold on. He solves mysteries? Right. Hold on. Is he wearing a trench coat? It was at the height of Pokemon Go mania. And they were like,

we got to just do it. Do it. They were like, by the way, by the way, before you sign, it's only the detective. you don't get any other characters and it was just in the terms and conditions yes

they didn't even know I just love that that they were like by the way you only get detective Pikachu well that's kind of what happens in Sense and Sensibility yeah they get this house they move in and by the way here's detective Pikachu, no, I want to see how you run with this. Yeah, I ran into

a wall. What I like in these early scenes is how nice Hugh Grant is. He's very nice. So sweet. This is what Emma added to this, right? Like, him playing with Margaret, him having a personality. Right, she wanted them to, there to be a real connection because

it would just be like, he shows up at the end and he's like, I will marry you. I mean, wanted them to, there to be a real connection because other, it would just be like, he shows up at the end. He's like, I will marry you. I mean, in the book, it's just, he's a man.

He's a man. Like, come on, you know, what else do you need? He's fine. And I'll tell you, he'll be a vicar for you.

A vicar. A vicar. When you take away, or at least tone down, Hugh Grant's mannerisms, which, I am a fan of his mannerisms. I like mannered acting.

I think he does mannered better than almost anyone in the game when he's at his fighting weight. He's got a reputation as well for being really, really particular about his lines. He memorizes them. He memorizes all his physical movements, right? His blinks, all that stuff that people think are just like, oh, he's just like.

He's just doing his bullshit. Right, like he literally writes into his scripts like, furrowed brow. Right. Three blinks. Right. And he does like a thousand takes to get the timing of those things really right. Right. But when you tone down that stuff, he just comes across as very gentle and sincere.

You know, because then all the blinking when it's less mannered is just like this guy's really delicate like he doesn't know how to express himself I just think it's a bomb ass move for him to take the guest room I think that's great I love that it's just great where she's like get the fuck out of the nice room he Grant has to stay there and he's like there was some oversight

happy with the shithouse happy to stay in the stables with the horses he's the sweetest he's very sweet and so this first 20 minutes you're like

oh is this like a movie about like a budding romance here you know and there's like oh he's richer than her so that might be a problem

and then the mom takes the other mom aside and is like P.S. like not gonna happen no

and rather than be like Gemma Jones being like that's bullshit come on they like each other sign is like, P.S. Like, uh-uh. Not gonna happen. No. And rather than be like Gemma Jones being like, that's bullshit. Come on. They like each other. They'll figure it out. Gemma Jones is like, we have to move out immediately. Her eyes get a little red in that scene. She's like on the verge of tears.

She's a puffy-eyed actress, at least in this movie. Yeah, she is. Yes. So much like Bizarro Jeffersons. They start moving on down. They really do. Yeah. I mean, like, it is just it's like where they just have dinner. This happens all the time.

This is where they just sit down and someone's like, I got to go to London. Yeah. Now I got to go. What time is it? To town. There's not a minute to lose. And I'm like, it's going to take you like a day like are people really gonna be like where were you like a week

like they're not gonna be like oh the train was due in it you know there's no train right right get on his horse yeah no trains I tried to get to the 515 horse but I got caught in traffic and the next horse wasn't till 745 traffic caught in traffic on that dirt road

that goes to London for horses. This horse, no legs. I ran into a highwayman. That was my problem. What if the next- Ben would be a highwayman at this time, right? Is that like a guy who robs people from- Stand and deliver, mate.

Yeah. Get money in your life. I'm sorry. It's just the way things go. You're like one of those guys. Yeah. He's like, oh, how rude. you're like one of those guys oh how rude you're like taking your jewelry

give me the jewels I know how to use this thing I was gonna say a blunt object I know how to use this pike I just had a million dollar idea for our blank check picture slate great

what if the next Liam Neeson I just had a million dollar idea. Sure. For our blank check picture slate. Great. What if the next Liam Neeson Man Under Pressure slash Revenge thriller is a period piece? So you go like, okay, he's taking the plane. He's taking the train. Taking the carriage? Yeah. You do a horse and buggy thriller with Liam Neeson.

And he's getting like carrier pigeon notes that are like, I'm going to blow up the horse and buggy. Horse and buggy chase. It gets intercepted by like a highwayman like that. And then they know each other from like doing black ops back in Scotland. They take his wife as collateral. And this movie is five hours long.

Yeah, exactly. That's a good idea. Great, go pitch it. What's the name? The Buggyman. Great, go pitch it. What's the name? The Buggyman. No, but it combines because it was like, oh, Liam Neeson, he used to be this austere, kind of boring, like period guy. And then he becomes like bare knuckle brawler thriller.

And it's like, let's unite the two Neesons. Oh, unite the seven? We got to unite the seven. Remember that? Hey, Cheryl. We sticking with Liam or? No, no. Great question.

Answer. I almost said Pride and Prejudice. Sense and sensibility. You said Pride and Prejudice to me. They move. They have a budget of only 500 pounds a year. So they gotta move to a cottage owned by two busy buddies,

Cornelius Fudge and the fat lady from the Gryffindor painting. It's true, but that's who she plays. It's literally the name of the character. I know, I know, I know. It's a knock on JK Rowling. There's a whole conversation about F. Mr. F.

Mr. F. Mr. F. They were like, wow, it's crazy that Charlize was in season three of Arrested. Yeah. They talk about that. Literally right after

she won the Oscar. Left field. Wee Britain. Yeah. Mr. F. Mr. F. Right? That's what's going on.

They move. Yes. They move. And guess who lives near here? He's got a floppy hat. He has anywhere between two and eight dogs, depending on the scene.

Yeah. He's real stoic. I forgot how many dogs there are. Sometimes there's just like a menagerie of dogs accompanying him. Yeah. And then he'll just go on like a day's walk through like the fens with his dogs and his floppy hat. And he's like got a stick that he's swinging around. Yep. He's just thinking about how sad he is. This a stick that he's swinging around. Yep.

He's just thinking about how sad he is. This is proof of concept for Brokeback Mountain. For sheep. Oh God. Yes. I love how this movie looks.

It's a good looking film. It's like shot by Michael Coulter who I don't know. Mike Coulter? Yes. Shot by Luke Cage. Shot by your former

cast mate Mike Coulter I did a pilot with him that didn't go who at the time yeah he's it's not like he's like you know he's just sort of a journeyman I don't know I'm not seeing he did shoot Notting Hill later and Love Actually so I guess he's

but he likes to shoot Hugh's face but I just love how he likes to have a view to a Hugh he likes to have a view to a hue. He likes to have a view to a hue. Sure. Good. How rich the colors are in this movie. The green is just so

green. Green. No, exactly. It's not oversaturated, pointedly stylized. Or color corrected to look like a goddamn painting. It actually looks like a painting to look like a goddamn painting like it actually looks like a painting it's a lush movie

it's a lush fucking movie and I feel you know how like rom-coms or whatever will like cut to the dog you know reacting

Ang Lee's like let's just cut to some sheep running around for a second if we need to just chill out for a second there's a story with the sheep

isn't there yeah cause they when they were shooting this they shot this in the summer but they needed it to look like winter or whatever so they wouldn't shear the sheep story with the sheep, isn't there? Yeah, because when they were shooting this, they shot this in the summer. But they needed it to look like winter or whatever, so they wouldn't shear the sheep. And then the sheep got dehydrated. I love that ang.

No sheep on me. I love the ang where you'd be like, someone's going to object to the sheep being sheared. Someone's going to be like, what a goof. And then he was like, I'm never working with sheep again. And then lo and behold. He makes a whole sheep movie. Do you know that the sheep are almost entirely CGI in Brokeback Mountain? I'm not fucking joking.

So he was just like, I hate sheep. You know those VFX reels that leak out where the VFX company showed the before and after? Yeah. The one in Brokeback Mountain is literally, no exaggeration, the most impressive one I've ever seen. Because you're like, none of the sheep were real and you just see Heath Ledger now I know why I was like

why would they spend all that money clearly it was like I've done sheep before don't make me do it again how it's like Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal

on an empty mountain and then you just see them layering in sheep after sheep that's why he made a Billy Goats gruff movie later that's also why Brokeback Mountain cost 200 million dollars

yeah Brokeback Mountain cost $200 million. Brokeback Mountain was actually a huge flop because of all the sheep. They couldn't make the sheep money back. There is so much CGI in Brokeback. It's insane.

And it makes you realize how seamless it is. Brokeback was a mountain. The mountain was CGI. Brokeback was fictional. Yeah. Yeah. Also Randy Quaid was CGI.

The Bushwhackers. Isn't it the Starfuckers or whatever? I think he has used both terms i think they're two different groups terrific both of whom are after him randy quaid is ben's kind of guy no really i don't know he's a conspiracy theorist no i'm not a conspiracy theorist i'm not like a weirdo meth head hanging out in a trailer in canada he wasn't that for a lot of his career.

He was successful. And then it caught up with him a little bit. He's having a rough patch. But the man was in fucking the last detail. Give him some credit. Alright, I'll give him a little bit of credit. Wasn't he on SNL one season? He was SNL for a season. He played Reagan.

He was the only person to get nominated for an Oscar and then join the cast of SNL. Very weird. All right. I don't know. Yeah, no, come on. I'll give him a soft pass. Ben, he's your kind of guy.

He plays scumboms. He has his wife put on a Rupert Murdoch mask and then peg him on camera. That's what I'm saying. You know, funny Ben stuff. He's a little punk rock. You're right. What do you think of The Cottage, Cheryl?

The Cottage. Yeah, I don't know. I do you think of the cottage, Cheryl? The cottage? Yeah, I don't know. I already did my Willoughby rant. I like the way that they have Brandon rant. I like how Kate walks into the cottage. She's eager to kind of check it out and then her face

just kind of falls as she walks in. This is an eager performance in a way that's pretty impressive. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. Eager. Can we talk about Rickman a little because we almost got into this

before recording and I wanted to save it for this. Okay. I have heard women over the year describe Alan Rickman as very sexy and I was always like

that fucking guy? Like Alan Rickman's one of my favorite character actors. Right, but he looks like a melting candle. A great loss. Right. But he's a weird guy with a weird actors. Right, but he looks like a melting candle. A great loss. Right. But he's a weird guy with a weird voice.

And he has a bit of like a droopy kind of a face. When he came on screen in this, I was like, oh, I fucking get it. This is the first time I've seen Rickman on screen. Sky Fox? The Sky Fox. Star Fox? Sky Fox. Oh, the Sky Fox.

There's a lot of confidence to this guy. And his hair is fucking. Do you think Hux Fox? hucks general hucks fucks honestly no yeah you know what i love the guy but i think there's a lot of pent up too eager too eager uh ben is staring off into the middle distance with a sense of deep contemplation agreed that this guy fucks. The hair in this is something. It does something. And I also think there's a stillness to him.

There is a remove of a certain... Alan Rickman usually has this chip on his shoulder. He's usually got this goddammit kind of thing. And in this, he just seems very sweet. He's odd and he's reserved, but he doesn't seem miffed at all.

I think it's just, you know, obviously Die Hard casts him as the villain. His first fucking movie. Isn't that insane? He's like 40. He's in things like Robin Hood. Yes, yes. Right, but that's his first movie ever. But he had also been in Truly, Madly, Deeply, which is a lovely movie that he's very charming in.

So it's not like it obviously was unheard of for him to do a role like this. but he had also been in Truly Madly Deeply which is a lovely movie that he's very charming in yeah so it's not like it obviously was unheard of for him to do a role like this but he does put a lot of cons and bads well no I'm saying

I feel like after this he doesn't really do it again this type of reserved yeah like a more like warm heartfelt character no he rarely plays warm

he's not always a villain but he's rarely warm I mean on like stage and shit he would that's the thing he's reserved here but he's still warm whereas I feel like we mentioned Matthew Mc, he would. That's the thing. He's reserved here, but he's still warm. Whereas I feel like we mentioned Matthew McFadden before.

I felt like the problem was he was reserved, but very cold. He's real stiff. I mean, that character is written like an asshole. But also. Also. Anyway. Yeah, no, you're right. You're right.

That's his failing a little bit in Pride and Prejudice. There's a thing that Rickman communicates immediately in this performance, which is just this guy presumes that no one would want to be with him, so he's not even going to bother. Exactly. And in a really not a needy way, not a self-pitying way, he's like, look, I'm just here. Call me if you need help. I'm not going to be in a position. But there's also that instant infatuation, you know, the scene when he comes and he sees her. And then he's just sweet to the family.

Yes, he's nice. His willingness to step aside. There's something so gentlemanly about the fact that he's not like, oh, God, I'm going to get friend zoned again, Mr. Popper. And he's also not like making moves, you know? Right. And also he's had this trauma in his past that we learn of where he was in love with another woman. Right. And she, you know.

Was taken advantage of. She cucked him. Eventually. She cucked him. Yes. And, you know, and so like, yeah, maybe he's just like, forget it. But then she's been looking after that daughter, Potter style, forever. Daughter Potter.

If you want to cast, well, he's gone now, unfortunately. But Alan Rickman cornered the market on someone who secretly looks after the child of someone who wronged him for 10, 15 years. This is a little snappy, too, where he's just like, I might seem mean, but maybe I'm not. He doesn't seem mean at all. Expecto Patronus. You're right. He doesn't seem mean. He doesn't.

He does seem like, I just guess, like, a bit of an Eeyore. He doesn't seem greasy. He doesn't seem mean he doesn't he does seem like i just guess like he doesn't seem greasy like you get why kate winslet's like i don't know he's kind of old and like i'm not really like i'm more of like you're kind of wordsworth yeah i want to go rolling on the hills right right uh so she they and you know the whole whole time, meanwhile, Emma Thompson's just kind of sitting there being polite and nice. She already had her heart broken over Hugh Grant. She's great in this movie. She has great reaction shots and she's really good at like when someone says something to her that they don't realize is devastating information. The entire back half.

When she just kind of goes like. Yeah, right. The entire back half of this movie is like, by the way, you're not allowed to love, essentially. Right, but she's so good at those tiny little reactions of just like, I'm going to pretend like I already knew that. Yes, right, right, right. And it's internalized. Right, right.

And cork on the bottle. Stuff it down. Stuff it down. Two minutes of absolute heartbreak and gone. And then she has emotional diarrhea. But this whole section, she's just fucking taking it. Everyone's dishing it out on top of her, putting all their fucking struggles on top of her,

acting like she doesn't have anything that's tearing her up inside. And fucking old Hugh Grant's just in the fucking rear view. Well, right, because the first 20 minutes are her heartbreak and now we're on Kate Winslet and Ben, did you like this? Did you watch the whole movie, Ben? Producer Ben, did you watch this whole movie? Producer Ben. The Ben Ducer. Poet Laureate.

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Nice. Mr. Bencredible. Yeah. Great. Did I forget anything? No. No, I think you got them all. Did you finish the movie?

No, I did not. Fair enough. So you didn't all did you finish the movie no i did not fair enough so you didn't get i abandoned this movie i would say half an hour in ben basically like watching for a bit was like did that guy die and then like 10 minutes later he's like where's heathcliff and then he's like forget it that was my process i just also love i got a text ben's text came in the wrong order for me so first i got a text that just said what is happening i'm so confused what was the exact text something like that like what is happening and then the following no idea what's happening no idea what's happening and then the following text was just a picture of emma thompson on a screen she's doing anything.

Yeah. But it was like, from that text, it was like, is Ben going to take a picture inside the theater of the ending of Annihilation? Yeah, right. You know? Which is Emma Thompson repressing, and it's, I have no idea what's going on. So, then there's a huge action scene

in the middle of this movie. Kate Winslet goes on a walk with her sister and falls down like she like literally just sort of like trips and falls down

like one foot away like go on Shirley I enjoy this entire scene and it's raining and she's like and it's basically like okay well she's probably gonna die

right like you know cause she's just like ow my ankle I like the lead up to it though you know where her sister's like, no, no, Marion. I don't want to walk. I don't want to walk anymore. And so she starts walking faster.

And then the last bit is just boop. It's like someone going like 120 on the road. It's like, slow down. You're going too fast. She's like, no. Except she's just walking briskly on a hill. On like a slight incline and she falls over and Greg Wise shows up.

It's all very romantic. That's pretty hot. That's pretty hot. He shows up on a horse and he's like I just demonstrated. Surely that was mimic being on a horse ride. He like gives the horse to Marianne and he's like, I mean not to Marianne, to

the little one. Margaret. And he's like, don't worry. He's quite safe. Don't worry. And then he's like, may I inspect your ankle? Can I have permission? It's a lot. And she's like, yes.

And he's like, it's not broken. Everyone's just like, woo, woo. This is hot stuff. He's a hot guy. Hot guy. Yeah, he's a hot guy. He's got sideburns that kind of point at his nose. is hot stuff. He's a hot guy. Hot guy. Yeah, he's a hot guy. Right. He's got sideburns that kind of point at his nose.

Sideburns. He's got kind eyes. So Emma Thompson's like... He's got sideburns and kind eyes. He's handsome. And Emma Thompson, by the way, is...

She's like... Handsome. Right. Let me do this. Yeah. Let me bark up this. Oh, yeah. I'm going to get this English cheddar.

Put that on the cracker. P.S. I'm the to bark up this cheddar. I'm going to get this English cheddar. Put that on the cracker. P.S. I'm the cracker. Why did that feel so much creepier when it got caught in your throat? If you had said it clearly, it would have just been a joke. Oh, boy. Anyway. So, Willoughby. Yes.

Kate's just into this dude. And he's into her. He definitely seems into her. They talk sonnets. Yeah. He talks sonnets. Takes his sonnet book out. He recites it.

Yeah. Back to her. And she corrects him. Yeah. You know, five sonnets. But that just. Five sonnets. She likes that.

No, she's into it. Some bands. Yeah. Heavy bands. Right now. Some sonnet cooking. And. He. No, she's into it. Some bands. Heavy bands right now. Some sonic cucking. And then finally he's like, I don't know,

she's walking him to his horse or whatever and he's like, could I meet with you tomorrow? And she's like, we're alone together all the time. And he's like, oh, I have something very important I want to ask you.

Well, this is also, I just want to ask you. I mean, you're also, well, this is also, I just want to go back to, right? When they're like, they're becoming friends. And then there's, it's like, it's like end, it's like late 1700s PDA. That entire sequence. Right, where there's like, there's just a familiarity. Right, and that's why when he's like,

let's just meet in person. You're like, hmm. I also love that he's like, can I meet with you tomorrow? And she's like, I don't know, let me check my calendar. I have a busy waiting around until someone marries me for the rest of my life. I'll be sitting in the front room

from sunrise until noon-ish. And then after that I go to sleep. Then I'll go to the back room for a while. I'll maybe read a tiny, tiny little book by candlelight. Then the sun will set and it's time to go to bed. Right.

And my cut to some sheep running around. It's not like, I don't know, I just picked up a couple more shifts at the local pub. Yeah, my sister will probably be looking at her fucking atlas all pub. Yeah, my sister will probably be looking at her fucking Atlas all day. I'm gonna wanna go outside

and I can't. Emma Thompson will be quietly crying in her room. I don't know what that's about. She seems fine. I shouldn't ask about that. I can't read her at all. She's a trooper.

Mom's just off screen. My mom will be puffing her eyes. Puffing. She has a puffer. There's a man who shows up and just blows air into her eyes. That's the She has a puffer. There's a man who shows up and just blows air into her eyes. That's the one staff they could retain. She replaced her powder.

With her puffer. But when he's going to propose, everyone thinks he's going to propose. And then Rickman shows up and he's like, where did I be? And they're like, yeah, he's cool, right? And he's like, no comment. Why not who wannabe?

Sorry. Wow. Surely should be a permanent pun caster. Wannabe. Okay, yes, he shows up. Ben is just tweeting through it. I mean, seriously seriously we're almost done I mean this is the thing

about this movie it's like it's a lot of little things wait Ben just posted a Tumblr manifesto why I'm giving up on podcasting forever he's moving to Devonshire folks

no will it be ghosts yes ghosts on her just go he's gotta go to London I gotta go he's gotta go

he's gotta go to town I wish I to go. You got to go to town. I wish I didn't got to go. I got to go. Also, in between these is also that scene where Alan Rickman's like, let's have a picnic. Everyone's invited. Oh, yeah. We should do that. And this is the most dramatic scene.

And everyone's like there for the picnic. He's like, everyone's here for the picnic. And then someone like fucking horses up to him and is like, a note. And he's like, I have to go to London right away. Goodbye. And that's never explained. It's to do with his ward, right? It gets explained after.

I mean, you know. It has to do with Beth, renamed from Eliza in the book. But I love that. Like, Willoughby is really like, okay, this is my Oscar scene. I got to sell this, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. And he's like, I got to go to London.

And they're like, okay. I'm sorry, babe. But like one last week of doom love and he's like, actually go to London and they're like I'm sorry babe but like one last week of doom love and he's like I actually gotta go like right now the hour

is at hand well darkest hour my sideburns are pointing to London they're like so he pieces the fuck out he pieces the F out so Kate Winslet's sad

for a while Mr. F he pieces Mr. F out and but then right Mrs. the lady who likes to say F so much, is like, let's go to London. Yeah. Let's go to town. We gotta go to town. I have a fucking mansion in Chelsea.

We could just chill in. Hit a couple balls. Yeah, right. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think that's kind of what you do. So they- My favorite part is when they're in London and they hear they hear someone knocking at a door and they're like, who's that?

And they're like, it's next door. And they're like, next door is a foreign concept. Wait a second. You're telling me people live next to each other. Adjacent? Others?

Oh boy. That's just a good little detail. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like this, if you were someone struggling with depression in this era you were just fucked because it was like hey no incentive to ever leave your house it's like can i go outside and we're like go outside why and they're like should i try to get

more proactive like cheer myself up and they're like no in this culture you wait for someone to save you yeah hobbies i'm gonna go on a walk, and they're like, you're going to walk? By yourself? Are you okay? Pretty unbecoming. Well, I want to go outside. Looking desperate. How about the Piano Forte instead?

I went to the market last week, and I bought 100 eggs. I don't think we need more. There's still rumors flying fast about that one. That's why picnics matter so much. That's the thing. We just have a picnic.

And it's like no woman can be like, can we have a picnic maybe? It has to be Rickman's picnic. You got to wait for somebody to have a picnic. Although when he throws, it's more of a Ricknick. Oh my God. This is the best we've ever done. This is the best we've ever done. This is the one we'll remember. Alan Ruckin.

Oh my god. Ben has opened up a book that he will leave behind after his death with plans of how to murder the two of us. He's writing the book of Barry. Barry? Shirley, why there is no other option but murdering griffin and david surely has to do it surely who will your accomplice can i can i pick out

can i pick a pick a knife from your new knife collection yes exactly was that on the air i cut my own hand open on a new knife we talked about knives for 20 minutes i forgot about that part and i was like, guys, guys, I just want to tell you this story. So I got some new knives. A knife story. Do you want to hear the worst thing? I don't know. I asked Ben if he could record an audition with me after this.

Ben is just nodding. His eyes are cold and dead. For what? I can't say. It's July. Can you say? Yeah. The James Mangold Patty. All right.

Perfect. Great. That'll be funny 12 years from now. Exactly. All right. So they go to this ball. Crucial scene. Why is it crucial?

Willoughby's there. Because it's a ball. One also, it's also every Jane Austen movie is mandated to have one of those dances where everyone's like you know doing weird line dancing like where it's like and then

oh also and you meet you meet Imogen Stubbs yes you meet Steele Lucy Steele Steele

and you meet Hugh Grant's brother yes right because Imogen yeah where they're like is that Hugh Grant

and then he turns around and he's like no no no I'm Robert. I'm Robbie. Real butter face. And so he's there.

Right. But you also see Willoughby, and he's with some frosty ass lady. And she's like, Willoughby, you get. This is so funny. I've been sending you 50 notes. About to be engaged, and he's like. It's her like, it's her like,

oh, most famous scene. And you're just like it's pretty brutal and he goes over to the lady and she like gives her a little look over her shoulder and then Ang Lee's like Kate, total devastation and action

Kate, not sad enough Kate, your life is over forever? right, great, roll it there's that scene of her crying like into the bed Your life is over forever? Great. Roll it. There's that scene of her crying into the bed. That's right. I think that's actually even before.

I think that's after he leaves. Yeah, that's right. When Emma Thompson's trying to console her and it's just like, you, Kyle. And she's like, oh man, I have my own show. That's some hope. Oh, when we go to London. He's in London. I love that she doesn't play it

and he doesn't direct it like it's this grand travesty, crying to the skies. It's like embarrassing your friend drunk at a bar. Can't stop crying. It's not like a big Oscar cry scene. It's like,

this is uncomfortable to watch. This is a teenager Oscar cry scene it's like a like this is uncomfortable to watch this is a teenager who cannot keep it together I think she wants that where it's like remember these are like this is a teenager

yeah right but then she has that that total devastation face which is like probably that's her like okay officially anointed full on star moment

right she rules right and then there's of of course, she decides that she's going to, in the rain, go to the Willoughby estate to make things right.

That is because they, right, they retreat to that mansion, and they mention that his estate is nearby, and you sort of see her gears turning, and she's like, well, I'm off. I'll go. Walks in the rain,

catches a fucking cold. Back in those days, rain was off. I'll go. Walks in the rain. I just like that. Catches a fucking cold. Back in those days, rain was enough of a dramatic conflict. I mean, it's wet. They have something to do, but it's raining outside. They may face death. FYI, you missed a big wet scene. It gets so wet, Ben. She gets rained on.

She almost gets rained to death. She literally does. Literally, almost gets rained to death. She's like William Henry Harrison. Exactly. I did pay $3 to watch 30 minutes of this movie.

You had $1 per 10 minutes. You're fine. Well, I'll go back because I got the 48-hour rental. SD or HD? Always SD. He just does SD. I'm an HD boy. And what app did he use? What platform?

Oh, Amazon. A company's never done anything wrong. Oh, certainly never done anything wrong. Definitely. Definitely not. She catches a severe cold, and they deal with it appropriately. Ooh, a wet cold.

Hugh Laurie. Well, Hugh Laurie's there, who, by the way... We haven't talked about Hugh Laurie at all. Well, you know, it's not like he has a big role. It's just like he just drops by and is like.

He's like a member of the fashion police. Like he's just kind of sitting in a salon. He's married to Mel DeStanton, who sucks. He hates Mel DeStanton. And he just doesn't like that. Right. And she almost is like,

literally like, aha, you're stuck with me. Right. She's the Kathy Griffin to his Anderson Cooper. Exactly. And so he's just like. She's the Kathy Griffin to his Anderson Cooper. Exactly. She's the Anna Faris of this Ang Lee film. Yes, that's

a good point. Connections. He cuts her fucking wrist open to cure her of a cold. I just like that part. It's just like, it's still the turn of the 19th century. She's got a cold. That blood's gotta go. Must be the dirty blood. Someone get me a porcelain bowl.

And some liquid soap. We gotta replace this blood with something cleaner. Oh, boy. But she makes it. She's hardy. Yeah, but in between this is Rickman's other great scene. He's stepping up. He's like, I want to help.

He's like, also, will it be a real... He's like, I dare say he's a blackguard. And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Colonel! Shots fired! Tell the death! I just love that where he's like the worst blackhead that meme where they put Obama's face over the dude who just destroyed

the rap battle yeah Willoughby turns out to be he's like a real shithead yeah like literally number one warrior because he left her I mean he's

he's knocking up ladies right left and right but the thing and then he's gonna go for Winslet he's gonna go for Winslet but then he leaves her

because his mom is like uh uh, uh, uh. I found out what you did. I'm disinheriting you. So now he has to marry rich. You have no money. You got to get some coin now, baby. Sucks. And then he just snags a lady.

He does. I mean, he's hot. In London. Yes. In London. And that's what that letter was, right? That's like his mom being like, get the fuck home. You ain't got no money.

This is a time period where like reputations couldn't catch up with you if you went to a different town because gossip traveled by horse. They might catch up to you but in a solid year. So you got a little wiggle room. You got some wiggle room. Go find a girl with prospects. And this is

when, like in so many an Austen novel and then later a Dickens novel or whatever, it's just sort of like, whew, that was a lot of drama anyway yeah uh kate winslow wakes up and decides that alan rickman's really nice uh then hugh grant comes back and he's like p oh because also image and stubs is revealed to be like uh secretly engaged fiance right he comes back and he's like i wasn't into her like it was we were kids yeah kids like you, but I'll be a vicar. And Emma Thompson's like, perfect, let me get a dick.

Well, he doesn't decide to be a vicar right away. This is another good Rickman. I'm trying to give Rickman points to prove why. Brandon's like, a vicar? Parish? Vicar of Dibner. But it turns out that she is in love

with a brother anyway. Right. She's a bit of a dick. Lucy Steele's the worst. Yeah, I don't like her. She's a pain in the ass. And that actress, you know,

I feel like she never popped. No. She's not, she's no Imogen Poots. Very true. She's no Imogen Heap either. Imogen? I was going to try

and do an impression of that song But I realized It was just gonna be too hard She is married to Trevor Nunn Okay Oh you don't know who that He's like a very famous theater director So she just

She sort of stayed in the theater world So what he's doing like Broadway plays and stuff? More British I mean he has But how would you know that? British? How would you know What are you talking about? If he's directing theater But it's not here in New York but how would you know that? British? How would you know?

What are you talking about? If he's directing theater but it's not here in New York City how would you even Because I grew up in Brittany and also you know what I one of his productions

that I saw you know one of his productions that I saw What? Oklahoma in which he cast a young Hugh Jackman Oh it must have been fun

to see Oklahoma in America and the states the country where it's where Oklahoma is Good point Right that's where country where it's at. Where Oklahoma is. Good point. Right, that's where you saw it. You saw it on Broadway. I saw it there too. I saw it on Patrick Wilson played the lead. Not with Patrick Wilson. I saw it on the West End

of London. London! But why were you, you took a trip just to You took a trip just to see the play? Yeah, it was like this Jackman guy's gonna be good. He's gonna get Wolverine two years from now. I got a feeling. My nose knows news. Could you imagine if like tomorrow they were like, we found our new Green Lantern.

It's the guy who played early in Oklahoma two years ago on the West End. On the West End. Equity wouldn't even let come to Broadway. So Patrick Wilson had to do it. Right. Yeah. That's crazy. That's the thing where they were like, yeah, you can transfer Oklahoma.

Hugh Jackman? I have never heard of that guy. Get Patrick Wilson. That was how not famous he was. Right. Yeah. And then he became the Wolverine. Wolverine.

Spit. Yes. Wolverine. Wolverine Klamen. So we did it. No middle initial? Wolverine X Sknit. Yes. Wolverine. Wolverine Klamen. So we did it. No middle initial? Wolverine X Klamen. I mean, it's appropriate.

Yes, we did. We did. I mean, is there stuff we're missing? Yeah, Imogen Stubbs is kind of a pain, but. Yeah. We mentioned you, Laurie. It's a long movie. She's kind of basic more than anything else.

She's a little basic. That's the thing. She's just like wide-eyed and annoying. She's like kind of shitty Emma Thompson. Right. But Willoughby's like little basic. That's the thing. She's just like wide-eyed and annoying. She's like kind of shitty Emma Thompson. Right. But Willoughby's like aggressively bad. He's quite bad.

He knows what he's doing. I actually, we should talk about that final shot. Talk about it. You have the wedding and then you turn over and you see Willoughby

on his horse watching the procession. Which I think is a, I guess that's not the final shot. There's the money tossing. No, but, it's like

kind of that end of Legally Blonde where you find out that her like ex-boyfriend didn't even like get a job right

there's a final night turn go on Shirley I kind of liked I kind of liked what Aang did there just to tie it all together and it's also

it's also very faithful to the book yes I'll tell you what I like about it you know cheaters never prosper yeah

and then she also goes into like oh what happened to Willoughby I like that in that shot you get the sense that it actually has taken a toll on him yeah

that he is showing some sort of sense of awareness and guilt and a sensibility also a little some longing right but otherwise

it would have just been like Willoughby rides off and will continue doing this forever right and it's been like Willoughby rides off and will continue doing this forever right and it's like no Willoughby knows he's kind of fucked

he let her get away everyone knows he's a piece of shit well there's also that like crucial transference where it's like Emma's you know learning to be

I'm just using the actor's name I'm sorry Eleanor is learning to be like oh a little more like go with your gut like this is your guy yeah even if you know

it's there's some impropriety or like his sisters are you know a bit of a B-I-T-C-H a bit of a C-N-X-2 and then and Marianne is like you know what I know Willoughby was dashing but like dashing ain't gonna bring home

eggs and bacon dashing ain't gonna throw a picnic. I need a man with two to eight dogs. And a hat. Floppy. A hat comma floppy. And a ward. So the sense and sensibility

there's some, you know, right? They've learned lessons from each other as sisters. They're now the ampersand. Right. They've both become an ampersand. Their little sister, I don't know what's up with her. Margaret's fine. She has a treehouse.

They'll be fine, right? They get to live with the colonel now. I mean, this is probably one of those continuation books that's out there. You can read what happened to Margaret. Right. I'm sure there are. But, you know, that's the thing about, like, English gentry of the, where it's like, Alan Rickman's got a big house.

Yeah. But it would just not be proper for him to be like, oh, geez, this cottage is kind of small. Just come stay with me. I have, like, eight bedrooms. Right. Like, just chill out here. Not proper.

Not cool. Not cool. And instead it has to be like, can I fucking inspect your fucking ankle? That's like when I, like, when you, like, read about, like, famous who have crazy big houses, you're like, what do you do with all those rooms? But then you hear about, like, basketball players where they're like, well like when you like read about like famous who have crazy big houses you're like what do you do with all those rooms but then you hear

about like basketball players where they're like well yeah like my whole extended family lives here like and like there are wings I don't even see

half of them that's the thing like all these people have like aunts like have you guys been following Will Smith on Instagram yes

he's got like 15 people who just live with him and he's like this is Terrence isn't it like Ter this is Terrence. Isn't it like Terrence is like his chef or whatever? Like, you know, they have like a staff. Terrence Malick is his chef.

No, it's literally Terrence Malick. And he tosses out the appetizer. Yeah, some of those people are like live in staff and some of those people are like, he's like my producing partner or whatever. Right. But some of them is just like, this is Greg. He's just my bud. We've been friends for two years. Right, right. There's that

have you ever listened to good old greg the kenya barris episode of you made it weird from a zillion years ago because kenya and pete holmes worked on i hate my teenage daughter right like and now kenya barris is a move you know a fucking tv mogul and pete holmes as crashing yeah uh titans of industry right but kenya barris talks about back then like taking a meeting at will smith's house and like walking in and will smith is like running on a treadmill with like some like terminator apparatus on his face where he's just like he walked into the future where they're like they're like keeping him alive and some and the a waiter comes up or a chef and is like what would you like to eat and kenny barris is like oh i don't know like some eggs I guess and he's like what kind of eggs and he's like fried

and he's like no from which bird and he was like you got like ostrich eggs like what do you mean like from a chicken he had to specify bird yeah

I just think about that all the time that's how rich you are where you're like get some duck eggs keep them in the fridge alright well let's play the box office game this movie opened december 15th 1995

height oscar season yes yeah you'd say that no you look at this box office does not seem like the height of oscar season that's how interesting okay i mean you know like down below the top five there's like some things platforming i mean you mean, you know, Braveheart's platform. Now, Braveheart's been out for a long time. You know, like Othello came out this week, the brand. Oh, yeah. He didn't direct it, but you know. But like apart from that...

Kenny B. Saxophone. All right, so number one... Downtown Kenny B. Number one, The Box Office is a children's movie that was a success but nothing like the success of its sequel the year is

1995 and you were not being facetious no it is Toy Story no that's number two

oh which has been out for a month and has grossed a hundred million dollars it's the highest grossing film of that year I think

what is it oh am I allowed to say it yeah of course it's a Jumanji out for a month and this grossed $100 million. It's the highest grossing film of that year. I think. What is it? Oh, am I allowed to say it? Yeah, of course. Is it Jumanji? Jumanji! You know what?

I was not going to guess that because of the sequel. That was going to throw me off. That didn't throw me off. The thing about Jumanji is everyone was like, you know,

it made $100 million. It was a hit. Solid. It opened to 11, so it's a good multiplier. But then Welcome to the Jungle got elected president. And also, I remember reading these interviews where Jake Kazdin was like,

we really want to honor the original. And I'm like, you do? What are you talking about? Who cares about Jumanji? Apparently everyone. Wait, they finally made a Jumanji sequel? I'm going. Eight times.

Welcome. I don't get things. Remember when we saw Jumanji? It was'm going! Eight times! Welcome! I don't get things. Remember when we saw Jumanji and it was like a packed house? Yeah. It was like the fucking Sex Pistols we played. And we were like, this is the beginning of a moment.

We were like, that's a gentleman's beemind. Yeah, we were like, I guess let's see Jumanji? Like, you know, I guess it's out. We've seen everything else. Yeah. Jumanji. They did you know, I guess it's out. We've seen everything else. Yeah. Jumanji. They did pass that bill, though, where every citizen had to see Jumanji twice. Welcome to the jungle.

What do you guys think of Jumanji? I saw it in theaters. I liked it a lot. I mean, I was a small child. You're younger than I, yeah. How old would you have been in 1995? Wow. Wow, you are young to me. Jesus.

I was very scared of it when it came out. I didn't see it in theaters. It's scary. I was too scared. We also had to see it in school. You had to? We had to. When there was nothing to do.

For your board game class? Yeah, it was right there. Wait, why did you have to see it in school? No, it was just like when there was nothing to do. Oh, like a rainy day. They didn't take you to the theater. They took us into the assembly room. We ran out of history. Let's all go to the multiplex.

The part that's scariest is the beginning where you get sucked into the game. It's genuinely a little nightmarish. That's what freaked me out. I didn't want to see it because of that. I think I've told this story. I was terrified to go see Austin Powers because the idea of him being frozen really freaked me out. Shit like that where people get trapped in things really freaked me out as a kid. I people get trapped in things really freaked me out

as a kid and I didn't want to see little boy Robin Williams get sucked into a game. It really sucked. Well, Toy Story's number two.

Yeah, the greatest film of all time. I saw the film in theaters and I had a great time with it. Surely, you were quite young but I mean, it was a cartoon

but no. What's like the first movie Shirley saw then? In a theater. In a theater. Oh, but no. What's like the first movie Shirley saw then? In a theater. Oh, in theaters. Might be Mighty Ducks. One? Sure.

Cool. Fine. Cool. Great movie. Cool. I don't remember a thing about it. Yeah, they keep doing that. Yeah, someone's turning our lights on.

Killing our buzz. Killing our buzz. I was going to say, Toy Story, you know. Did you see Toy Story in theaters? Fuck yes. You Killing our buzz. I was going to say, Toy Story, you know. Did you see Toy Story in theaters? Fuck yes. You were little-ish. I was six.

I was rolling hardcore into the theaters. We already established my first movie was Jumanji, re-released in 91. I was like rolling into the set. You just said Jumanji. I'm sorry, Jungle Book. Sure, okay. Everything has now been roped into the Jumanji extended universe. Okay, yeah, okay. So you saw Toy Story.

I was seeing movies. I was seeing everything at this age and everything that was JRPG. And I remember seeing the trailer for Toy Story and turning to my mom going, that's my movie. Sure. Like, that's mine. Toys. That's mine. That's my movie. Right. And so I was so amped to go see it. And we took my friend, Molly, who has been invoked

on this podcast before. Sure. And she, we were in the theater and I was like, we got to get here early. Like, I'm so excited for this. Like, this was my like Star Wars, right? Right. And right before the movie started, Molly had to go to the bathroom. And because we were all like six, we all had to go out so my mom could take her to the

bathroom. And I missed the beginning of the movie. And then I was like so obsessed with it. Finally talked my dad and James into going to see it with me again. James must have been even smaller, right? Right. James was three. Sure. Yeah. And he had to go to the bathroom the same thing. No. I didn't see

the opening of Toy Story until it came out on VHS which was like a year later. It came out like October 2006. 1996. It came out a year later on VHS. I didn't know the whole opening sequence of Woody playing with the toys. Now I know it by heart.

Number three. Number three. Take control. Is a new opening this week as well. So Jumanji was one and this is another. One of my favorite movies of the year. And Toy Story rises back up to number one again after this. I don't fucking know.

I think it does. I had a miracle round. Number one film in 1985. But I keep on saying 2005. I'm sorry. This is one of my favorite movies. Are you having like a brain event? I'm having a brain event. It's a crime thriller. One of your favorite movies? Certainly of this year.

It's a crime thriller. By one of my favorite directors. Is it Heat? Heat. Getting hot in here. It is. Have you seen Heat? Yes, all man. Is it Heat? Heat. Get hot in here. It is. Have you seen Heat? Yes, all men. Of course, fucking rules. So good.

I feel like Kilmer in the 90s too is also your vibe. Like kind of wild man Kilmer. You know what I mean? Like Tombstone. We're having fun here, surely. Okay, yeah. I don't want to hear about that. No, no, I like that.

I just love that Kilmer pops up in those movies and he's like, I'm crazy, by the way. It's just that Kilmer looks so bad now. It's amazing. Like, so bad. He kind of looks bad in heat. He's got that crazy, like, fucking Van Halen hair. Kilmer's also got that weird elbow, which is very visible in heat. Do you know that?

Interesting, yeah. He's got, like, a very pointy elbow. Google Val Kilmer elbow. You'll see what I'm talking about. I'm not fucking extrapolating here. Yeah, he does have a weird elbow. He's got a weird elbow. Google Val Kilmer elbow. You'll see what I'm talking about. I'm not fucking extrapolating here. He does have a weird elbow. There's a lot of pictures that are just like a circle

around his pointy elbow. His elbow looks like a dagger. Weird. He's got like some weird elbow. He's got like a doomsday elbow where it's like spikes are growing out of his body. I was going to say The Saint. Weird. The Saint feels like a Ben movie. That's 96. I would like to see. Oh, you. The Saint? The Saint? I've never seen The Saint feels like a Ben movie. That's 96. I would like to see. Oh, you.

Yeah. The Saint? The Saint? Shirley, please. I've never seen this. Please? That's a Ben movie. Okay. Give me, give me.

Can Shirley see? I'd like to see. Here we go. Are you ready for this? I'm sorry, David. Shirley Lee. It's actually pronounced Shirley Lee. Oh, God.

Right? It's weird. Oh, my God. It is weird. It's weird. That's disgusting. Number four. So that opens to 8.4 million which you know is the beginning

of a not very big it did okay it did okay but in classic Michael Mann fashion it was incredibly long and really expensive growing our shower

yeah definitely yeah and to be fair he was six cuts away from landing on the definitive cut of that movie yeah number four

is a sequel to a comedy hit that was a remake Father Bride Part 2 oh I was still processing is a sequel to a comedy hit that was a remake. Father Bride Part 2. Oh. I was still processing. Which is the father of the Bride movie that I think we've talked about this

that I've seen a lot. Same here. They played that one on TV a lot more than once. I've seen the first one like twice and I've seen Father Bride Part 2 like 12 times. Yeah, I think I've seen

the first one once and the second one like 20 times. It's the one where Martin Short comes back and they're like, we don't need you to plan a wedding, but can you plan our births? And he's like, yeah. And he's in a lot more of it. He's in a lot of it.

He's like above the title, I think. And also, like, see Martin, like, fucks Diane Keaton in the kitchen and knocks her up. She's like in her 40s. They're too late for it. Two pregnancies. Yeah. And there's the shot of him with the babes. Yeah, with the babes.

That's what I remember. They also show full penetration, which is bizarre. Weird. That's what I'm saying. That movie. Yeah. It's like Antichrist. Number five, Chaos Reigns.

Yeah. Number five is another remake, a very ill-advised remake that was a bomb. It's also opening this week. Sabrina? Harrison Ford. Yeah. Sydneyney pollack never remade hepburn yeah wait who's who's the lady in it it's julia ormond right that's the whole thing new york times wrote the whole piece of like here's the next great star sure have you read that piece and then kaneer's in it that is one of the greatest pieces of entertainment journalism in history all right because they had anointed her it That is one of the greatest pieces of entertainment journalism in history.

All right. Because they had anointed her. It was what? Legends of the Fall was the one she was in? I don't fucking know. And they had all these quotes from all these people like Steven Spielberg where he was like, this is like a once a decade event. When someone shows up on screen, you realize you're witnessing.

She's in First Night. I remember that. She's going to be here. But I think Legends of the Fall was the one where she popped. And then they said, she's going to play Sabrina. And everyone decided she was the thing and she never recovered from that movie. Well they decided she was gonna play Smila and have a sense

of snow. She does. Jesus Christ. She was early Gretchen Moll. She was. She really was. But the piece is fascinating because it's like talking about the entire machinery around her and her just sort of like being like I like acting and the reporter's kind of going like, I don't know.

I mean, it's hard to tell if people are going to connect or not. Yeah. Good piece. Other movies in the top 10, you got Goldeneye. You got American President. Lovely movie. Yeah. I'm the president. I still can't get Michael Douglas. One of these days. Casino?

Which maybe we'll do on this podcast one day far in the future. Maybe. Ace Ventura When Nature Calls, which we're definitely going to do on this podcast. No question. And Money Train, which is about Oh, Woody and Wesley! Woody and Wesley! Subway. Good Subway movie.

I used to see the Money Train. Ben has written down Ben wrote down Keep Going? That's weird. Ben just passed me a note. It says what if hangover but teenagers the buzzed? Now we're done. We're done. We are.

Wow. Next is fucking the ice storm. I can't wait. You got a guess for the ice storm? What? You want to go back? I need to see the ice storm. Uh oh. It wasn't very complete as with angley oh you got a guest for the ice storm oh i don't know she's like because i haven't seen it first watch later i'll be i'll be back in town soon and i can't hang out with you apparently

surely thank you so much for being guests guest on the show. Thank you. I'm saying this episode, you're breaking big. Dude, this episode was... I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I know Ben's throwing a little tantrum, but this episode was fucking gold. This is kind of all-timer. This episode was Shirley Bassey. This episode was Spandau Ballet gold.

This episode got into a smelting accident. Ben. This episode was a second generation Pokemon game. Are you going to be this angry when you win the Oscar for this episode? You're damn right. Yes. Because you're the producer. If this episode wins Best Picture, you get that trophy.

You represent the entire country. Right. And I will be furious. You'll get on board and you'll say no one liked this. I'll say this? What? For this? I do not accept this.

I don't want this. We do this podcast. Can I believe it? Can you believe it? Can you believe that? I go to an office and people are like, so how was that? And what do I say? Great.

It was really good. Can you believe that you brought us to this company you were like well the first thing I need to bring is this can you believe that people want to advertise on this show

absolutely the American dream I'll I'll cut all that out you're oh man you're this podcast's

Ang Lee yeah fulfilling the American dream so who am I you are you're the ampersand between sense and sensibility love it

here's a big question do we play Shirley I'm the sheep for this episode at the Oscars do we play Shirley as lead or supporting

I think Shirley might be lead because she is the female lead of this episode it's a lot of pressure but it's a lot of pressure I also want to know

my competition you know that's true because you need to know is Viola going to go leader supporting? That's true. She's getting all snotty. Ben just gave me the look of pure

hatred. People can follow Shirley. Shirley Lee on Twitter. What's your Twitter handle? Is it still that funny? It is. It's at CirclesXP. it's at ShirklesXP. Boo. Yeah.

And I'm never going to change it. I am never going to change it. It is spelled S-H-I-R-K-L-E-S-X-P. If you can't remember that, read Entertainment Weekly. You will find me in the page. Easy to find. Were you like Shirkles in college or something? Is that where that comes from?

Well, yeah, yeah. Did I tell you this? Maybe. Yeah, no, my sophomore year roommate called me Shurkels and I was like, great. And the XP is another story. Windows XP. You just love Windows XP so much.

No, it was partly that and also because it was such a fun icon and I thought I was being hilarious. I know Shirley XP well enough. I didn't know. Look, there weren't that many, I didn't have that many pals

on Twitter and I was like, oh, it's funny. Yeah. And I remember when we hired you at the Atlantic, like, so I knew you were coming aboard but you hadn't that many. I didn't have that many pals on Twitter. And I was like, oh, it's funny. Yeah. And I remember when we hired you at the Atlantic. So I knew you were coming aboard, but you hadn't joined yet. Yeah. You started faving my tweets. And I was like, who the fuck is ShruggerXP?

Like, who is this? And then I realized it was Shirley. It was a good, fun time for everybody. Yep. Man, I feel like I should. And then we were together for the end of the website. We were together for the sinking of the ship. We were together for the sinking of the ship. That's right.

We watched it go down. We clung on to a float. And then you and Griffith pulled us out. And I enjoyed, we had like this private slack. Griffin's like, I'm starting to agree with Ben. There was a slack that was just, what was it? Cut wire? Downed wire.

Downed wire. It's funny. Atlantic wire. I get it. Whatever. Thank you all for listening. Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe. Shout out Furious.

Thanks to Ange Fraguto for our social media, Joe Bowen and Pat Reynolds for our artwork, Lane Montgomery for our theme song. Go to blankies.reddit.com for some real nerdy shit. Tune in next week for the ice storm. Oh, it's going to get stormy. A storm is coming. Freeze.

Chill, everybody. All right, everyone. The ice storm coming. Perfect. And as always, musical guest, Mr. Potter. No. I might ask you to set me up. Sure.

What do you want me to say? Let me find it here. Is it a Winslet quote? No, there's the impression I want to do, obviously. Hello, Fanny. Do you want to do Alan? Ooh. Ooh.

Alan. Because I'm going to whiff on this. Because my girlfriend keeps going, like, he's so handsome. I'm like, he's striking. Save it for the mic. God damn it. I got to talk about it. Okay.

Where's this quote? I'll save it. That was scary. Hello. What is it? Hello. Looking for something. No, that's not Harry.

Potter. No. What does that's not Harry. Potter. No. What does he say to Harry? Class is dismissed. He goes, Harry Potter. Harry Potter. Celebrity. Our new celebrity.

Is his teeth, is it just constantly clenched when he's talking? I think it's like his, like somehow he just makes a word drip out of his mouth. And he doesn't breathe out of his nose. Oh, true. Shirley Lee. My name doesn't have enough syllables to make it fun.

What's your middle name? Shirley, actually. Are you on the quotes page? Oh, me? Oh, no. I can get on the quotes page if you want me to. Want me to get on those quotes? Yeah. Your iPad is so comically large. Compared to your body?

It's a normal size iPad. No, it's just the case. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, because I dropped one. So now I got this heavy duty. I mean, that's like a real heavy duty case. Yeah. You should test it.

Wow, this is rated PG? What the fuck? is even remotely PG in this movie alright what do you want what do you want okay where is it here

I had it oh fuck it's all the Rickman yeah too much so thank you for being on time and

now that we're 45 minutes 45 minutes okay no no this is part of the process so it's like fifth or sixth down. It's the one that starts with,

have you really been to the East Indies, Colonel? Sure. Do you see it? I see it. Okay. Am I Margaret? You're Margaret. Oh, my God.

All right. Do you want to do it, Shirley? No, you go ahead. This is fine. All right, fine. Are we going?