Blank Check with Griffin & David - Something's Gotta Give with Bobby Finger

Episode Date: October 28, 2018

Bobby Finger ([Who? Weekly podcast](https://www.whoweekly.us/)) returns to Blank Check for a discussion of 2003’s aging romance, Something's Gotta Give. Together they examine Bobby’s passion for Meyers’ films, Crazy Town’s “Butterfly” and the careers of Diane Keaton and Keanu Reeves. This episode is sponsored by [Brooklinen](https://www.brooklinen.com/) (CODE: CHECK), [Robinhood](http://check.robinhood.com/) and [Hims](https://www.forhims.com/blank). Music Selection: “BossaBossa” by [Kevin MacLeod](https://incompetech.com/) Licensed under [Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License](http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/).

I podcast ya. Well, I podcast you too, if that's what you said. I don't know if it ends in a ya, it's a true I podcast you. Well, I podcast you too. If that's what you said, I don't know if it ends in a yeah, it's a true I podcast you. Great. You're not like anybody. Yeah. What's a Keanu line? I recommend it. If you can walk up the stairs, you can make love.

This is your best work yet. Don't you love being with a man who isn't intimidated by your brilliance? This is good. Right? My Keanu's not that pretty. The line where he's like, it appears I've been set up. I mean, stood up or something. It appears I've been set up.

Because I think people make him too spacey. No, he's not spacey. I feel like Keanu impressions usually make him sound dumb he's extremely extremely relaxed and he's very there's a there's a solidness to him yeah he's very centered it seems like jack nicholson could like pull a gun on him and he just sort of be like well i don't know yeah right because people like overdo the whoa when they do canis but it's like sure whoa yeah and they go like whoa like Like you know. Yeah it's not him. But especially in this

he's tempering it with you know a medical degree. Hello I'm a doctor. I'm 36. He's 36. I'm realizing I'm good at this because the other impression

I'm weirdly good at that no one does is my Joseph Gordon-Levitt and I think they're kind of similar. Do him now. Yeah. He's in this movie.

This is a totem. My totem is a loaded die only i know the precise weight and shape of my die is it just like a five really good is that is that what it is though like when he rolls that it's like five great not three five that's how i know i'm not in a dream and then you record joe she has the pawn she makes a pawn and she like knocks it over i'm like that that's your totem you just knock the pawn over? A little basic. Right.

I don't know. I feel like I can fake that. I would make like a transformer where it's like a real complicated process. You know what I'm saying? It's not just like, does it fall over? And it's like, what about gravity? There are other factors here. Transformer, it's like, only I know the precise way that Bumblebee turns into a Camaro.

Yeah. Sound wave and his tiny cassette friend, Frenzy. Great. That's the nerdiest thing I've done in this episode. So far? Yep. Hello, everybody. My name's Griffin Newman. I'm David Sims. This is a Blank Check with Griffin and David. It's a podcast about filmographies.

Directors who have massive success early on in their career and have given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. And sometimes those checks clear, and sometimes something's gotta give, baby. Yeah. This is the blank check I am on.

This is the first. It's certainly the first. Yes, 100%. And you watch it now and you're like, oh, it is crazy they let her make this. For $80 million. She got two really big stars, which is why. Well, and also she just made a huge hit.

Yeah. The biggest hit. But I just read this on the IMDb trivia. Fox turned this down because they said the leads were too old. So even you have

Jack Nicholson, who up until this point is still consistent fucking money in the bank. You have someone who just directed the highest grossing romantic comedy

of all time to that point and they still were like i don't know but they're 60 well i would i'm going to dispute you on jack being money in the bank um because his only hit of the last 10 years is as good as it gets uh increment management yes but that came out the same year as this would not have been that that came out this year like when they're going into production that and also I mean Sandler's helping there. I would file About Schmidt as a hit. Yeah.

About Schmidt was an Oscar movie that did really well. It did 80 million dollars. 65. Alexander. Okay. That's a good fucking number for that movie. Yeah. But also he had made The Pledge, Blood and Wine, The Evening Star, The Crossing Guard. That's a bad run. Mars Attacks before that.

Mars Attacks is in there, which even Mars Attacks didn't do that well. He also took some time off. He didn't make movies for a couple years. Between 97 and but after As Good As It Gets, he takes time off. Right. He said he was a little in the twilight of his career. I think after Crossing Guard, The Pledge, he felt a little burnt out because he was proud of those two movies

and people didn't see them. Proud of those performances. He took time off and then he said after September 11th, he only a little burnt out because he was proud of those two movies and people didn't see them. Proud of those performances. He took time off and then he said after September 11th, he only wanted to make fun movies. How did he say that? I only want to make fun movies. My Nicholson, I

sometimes have it. It flies away from me. But so he was like, I only want to make comedies. I want to make people laugh, Billy. He was saying this to Billy Crystal during an Oscar telecast. And Billy was like, I only want to make comedies. I want to make people laugh, Billy. Yeah. He was saying this to Billy Crystal during an Oscar telecast. And Billy was like, please, someone's trying to present best sound mixing. But so that was his big thing.

He came back with anger management and something's got to give. He was like, I'm going to do an Adam Sandler movie. I'm going to do a rom-com. I want to be light. And they were hits. And they were big hits. Yeah. So even if he was off a bad box office run, he's still a legend.

Certainly a legend. Do you think he saw Meet the Parents and was like, I can do that too? Do you think there was a parallel? 100%. 100%. Yeah, because that's right. That's what these movies, they're aimed at the same viewer. And Nicholson had always been funnier than De Niro.

Like even in his dramas, he was always funny. That's true. So it's like, well, it's not like I'd be reinventing myself to be in a comedy i'm just putting myself in a different broadness of comedy well no one else is going to be the star of this movie right like this movie is kind of nancy meyer's writing a script that's like what's the deal with jack nicholson like right for the two of them it begins with them sitting him down at dinner and being like what what is it with you what why do you do that she wrote it for the two of them. I don't think she would have made it

without the two of them. It's very much a deconstruction of his star persona. Jack and Diane. Right. Yeah. Right? I mean, they made it like,

can you believe they've never been together before? I mean, they were like in Reds together. They were in Reds together. But not like, you know, the idea of making a movie that's top line by the two of them. For sure.

I'm imagining, I mean, it's also Nancy Meyers saying, what would it be like if I dated Jack Nicholson? That's the other thing, is that Diane Keaton is her perfect representation on screen. When you look at pictures of Nancy Meyers, she looks like Diane Keaton in this movie, down to

the turtlenecks, which she has not gotten rid of. She hasn't cut those up yet. She had written the Father of the Bride movie. She had written Baby Boom. It's clear that she liked Diane Keaton, and they had a somewhat symbiotic relationship in terms of sensibilities. And this just feels like, cool, I'm going to have you play me. Just literally play everything in my brain.

Is that okay? And I'm going to dress you like me? They already look fairly similar. I forgot about that. I just wanted to offer a bit of a warning before I introduce them all. Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure. Okay? Go ahead.

Because, of course, this is a miniseries on the films of Nancy Meyers. We've gotten to the first blank check film. We've gotten to the namesake of the miniseries, Something's Podcast. Something's Podcast, right? Something's Podcast. Gotta get that out there. We're bringing back a guest who's a favorite and someone we haven't had on way too fucking long. Look at that turtleneck.

Yeah, she looks exactly like her, right? But this is like, she's in black so she's like Dark Nancy. She's the Blackstone. Do you think she like comes out of the, like onto the set in the morning and everyone's like, oh, all black. Dark Nancy today. I think, I imagine that's her I'm sorry, Ben, can you say that again on mic?

Goth Nancy? Thank you, producer Ben, aka the Benthuser. She can be dressed like Michael Myers and no one would call her Dark Nancy. Aka the fart. producer Ben aka the Benthuser She can be dressed like Michael Myers and no one would call her Dark Nancy Detective aka the meat lover

aka the Falkmaster Wish my hello fennel on the streets Love the German title Not Professor

Crispy Has graduated to certain titles over the course of different majors such as Kylo

Ben Bruce Abraham Kenobi Ben I Chomelon Ben

Say Benny Baines dot dot dot Ailey Benz with the

dollar sign War Haas Purdue Urbane Just looking at some great pictures Ben Proust, Sabrine Kenobi, Ben H. You can talk over him too. Ailey Benz with the dollar sign, Warhaz, Purdue Urbane. Just looking at some great pictures. Who was she? Ben 19, The Fennel Maker.

She was good. That was a good little scene. She's in Private Practice. Okay. Mr. Ben Credible. Oh yeah. And you drink Ben Hazzley. Hell yeah.

Yeah, damn right. Our guest. Our guest today is one of our favorite people. Yep. We both say that he's one of the finest people

we've ever known and we both know a lot of professional comedians. Mm-hmm. Which is 100% meant as a backhanded compliment to every comedian I've ever known.

It's both a compliment to Bobby and a backhanded compliment to... Well, just slow down your roll because I want... Oh, sorry. ...listeners to be prepared before we introduce him because, ladies and gentlemen,

you're about to get fingered! I knew it. There it is. Fingered. There it is. Thank you. From Who Weekly, Bobby Fingers, back on the show, ladies and gentlemen.

Hi, everyone. Thanks for having me again. Oh, what a pleasure. The moment I heard you were doing this, or that it was in contention, I was just... Well, I mean, when Nancy came, when she drove, I was just thinking, oh, I hope. I hope I get the call. I believe we just... Well, I mean, when Nancy came... I curled up in bed and I was just thinking,

oh, I hope I get the call. I believe we just... It was like Bobby picks first, right? There was actually no hesitation. We wanted the twins for the parent trap. That was a big idea. Because they're twins. But apart from that, I think, yeah.

And Richard made clear what he wanted to do. Yes, he wanted to go home again. Oh, home again is part of this? Oh, yes. Oh, and Richard made clear what he wanted to do. Yes. He wanted to go home again. Oh, home again is part of this? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Oh, my God. But we, I feel like we actually waited a while to officially ask you because from the moment we thought she might win, we were just like, well, obviously Bobby's going to do one.

Like, it just seemed like such a foregone conclusion that we forgot to loop you into it. Right. I mean, what if Bobby had been like, fuck no. I hate Nancy Meyers. She's a hack. It was really thrilling to get the actual question. Right. And this is what I wanted. I wanted, I mean, I love the Parent Trap. It was like, pick what you

want. Parent Trap is taken, which I understand. Right. Sure, sure. And that was Monty's backup of Something's Gotta Give. So I was like, if for some reason Bobby picks that, then we would have the twins do. Right. Parent Trap is the closest to my heart, but Something's Gotta Give is, I was like, if for some reason Bobby picks that, then we would have the twins do... Parent Trap is the closest to my heart, but Something's Gotta Give is... I mean, it's her best movie.

I also just know like... It's her best movie, yeah. I've talked about it before, I'll talk about it again when we get to the episode, but I auditioned for The Intern like 17 times. And the second I got the script,

I immediately just emailed it to you. Yeah. I might not have even asked, do you want it? No, it just came in the mail. Yeah. I was so excited. I just emailed it directly.. Yeah. I might not have even asked, do you want it? No, it just came in the mail. Yeah. I was so excited. I just emailed it directly.

It was so excited and sort of how casually you sent it to me. Like, oh, I auditioned for this. I think you'd like it. I felt like, I mean, it felt like I had gotten the Pentagon Papers.

I didn't tell anyone. I was just so excited. Maybe I told someone, but weeks later, it was like, you needed that to yourself for a while it came up in conversation like Nancy's new movie or whatever this movie is still being made

and I was like well I've read it and I was just so proud and even to this day I remember that moment very fondly it was so special that movie was very special it's one of the only times I've slipped a script to someone in that way and it was like

one of my few script slips and I've slipped a script to someone in that way. A slip script? It's one of my few script slips. And I let my slip script get fingered. One script slip that you also sent me, which wasn't even a full script. I think it was just a camera photo of a title page for National Treasure 3. Oh, okay. Yes. Yes.

Yes. I sent you that as well. That never went, right? Derek Simon. Sure. My oldest friend. Future, yes, yes. I sent you that as well. That never went, right? Derek Simon, my oldest friend. Future guest. Future guest. He and I are obsessed with the National Treasure movies. Interesting you bring that up because I'm going to actually draw a big National Treasure parallel in this episode to something that's got to give.

I have one in the hopper. But we were obsessed with National Treasure and were always, like, frustrated with the fact they weren't making a third one. And the big thing that fucked the third one imagine being frustrated so frustrated because the end of two is such a tee up and also I feel like

it was it was Nicolas Cage's last tether to reality you know what I mean like it was his final studio thing wait how does two end

two ends with when he was trying to find the document right but there's that book that he trying to find the document. Right, but there's that book that he needs to find the map of where the thing is hidden. The Book of Secrets. Right, the Book of Secrets.

And when he kidnaps President Bruce Greenwood in the tunnels of the Underground Railroad, right? Yeah. Bruce Greenwood says, like, he tells him where the book is and how to find it, right? Isn't that movie about him proving that his, like, great-great-grandpa didn't shoot Abraham Lincoln? Correct. Correct. Because Ed shoot Abraham Lincoln or whatever? Correct. Because Ed Harris has proof or something? Right because Ed Harris' grandfather always got blamed for

something. Should we like do a special 100%? Ed Harris' grandfather and his family lineage has been cursed with this notion of them like abolitionist you know like turn turncoats, slave love and bullshit. And he's like, not me, you.

And he puts it on the Gates family and Cage has to like clear the names. And the only way to do that somehow is to kidnap the president of the United States. And he takes him into the tunnel and Bruce Greenwood's like, the information you're looking for is in the book of secrets. It's in the library here. It's on this shelf. You'll only have eight minutes. They'll try to catch you and then he's like okay thank you mr president and he goes by the way if you get the chance look at page 37 something i think you

might find interesting oh my god so it's like a joker and then the end of the movie when like the president pardons him for crying out loud it comes to the hangar and it's like man i got this under control because they're're about to arrest all 27 characters who are part of the team at this point. And the president's like, did you get a chance to look at page 27? And he's like, yeah. Pretty interesting. And he's like, I thought you'd

have some notions. And I forget how they say it, but they imply that page 27 is about the Kennedy assassination. Isn't that how the rock wins? Yes! So there are two fucking Nick Cage, Ed Harris movies in which there's a secret document that reveals- Want to know who killed Kennedy? Isn't that How the Rock Ends?

Twice. It ends with Nick Cage going and finding the microfilm that Connery left in the church. In the church leg, in the pew leg. Yes. And then the end of National Treasure 2 is once again, Ed Harris has led him to the page with the Kennedy assassination. So we were just furious that we weren't getting this third movie. And our friend's friend was working at Jerry Bruckheimer Productions.

The movie got slowed down because Sorcerer's Apprentice. Right. Which they prioritized. And then it was like, oh my God, Bruckheimer, Turtletop Cage, we can't do that again. Right. But they had the script that was pretty ready to go. And someone was like literally carrying the script through the office and a couple of the pages fell off and this friend like ran into like a closet and took photos of the first three pages and was

like i'm gonna have to give these back this is some like pentagon paper shit right yeah right and your friend matthew reese i'm not gonna name them because I don't want... It's Matthew Rhys. Admit it. It was Rhys. It was. But the first three pages are amazing, which I sent to you as well. And it once again involves the family lineage, which all good National Treasure movies should. Well, maybe Turtletop might have a bit of a blank check after the Meg. The Meg hit. Mandy, Cage has some legitimacy again.

Well, yeah, but I don't think Disney's like, Mandy really convinced us that National Treasure 3 is a good play. But he's less of a joke, which I'm happy about. It's always nice when he gives a real performance and everyone tips the cap. I also just dislike people acting like they are more in on the joke than Nicolas Cage is. Sure. No one is more aware of how ridiculous Nicolas Cage is than Nicolas Cage. So to be like, oh my god, he's out of control. He doesn't even know what he's doing.

And it's like, he's trying to produce that result. Whether or not you like it. My prediction is that in the next six months, they announce for the Disney streaming service that they do a National Treasure reboot that's more focused on their child. Where Cage will now be playing the John Voight-y type. And he'll be there they'll fuck

with the timeline and they'll have like a 17 year old son and it'll be like you're oh that sounds shitty though right because then you got to bring in thwaites or whoever it's gonna be a thwaites or whoever who's the new thwaites bobby bobby as the host of who weekly i gotta ask who's the thwaites is an undeniable who right i mean he never graduated beyond yeah no no no no no no and i don't think he ever will uh who is like kj appa no it's like noah sentino yeah yeah oh fuck it's sentino let me ask you point of distinction do you think sentino stops being a who because he's become such a darling even if it's in a small circle all the like fucking big like blog posts love letters to him he would need so he still is yeah he was like hot shit for three weeks you need more than that

yeah i mean it's a classic doesn't he have some stuff some stuff brewing he has he's got a little stuff he might have a little stuff brewing yeah he might have a little stuff brewing is this an on the record no uh i don't know i don't know just doesn't he have some stuff brewing? I feel like the profiles of him were hinting at a darker side. I'm not saying anything nasty. Just some stuff. He would like to have some stuff brewing.

I also think anytime you get one person is the subject of 17 blank is the new woke bae, they're just destined for a downfall. Oh, yeah. You know, it's like the, it's the, what's his name?

Ken Bone? It's like we rise someone up to the holy raft. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot about Ken Bone. He was great. He's one of my favorites. He's probably not back.

Was he a who? I mean, he's like. I don't think it counts. It doesn't count because he's not an entertainer. He's not a performer. I mean, he's not going to be in this week. back was he a who I mean he's like I don't think it counts it doesn't count because he's not an entertainer he's not a performer and also it was sort of

just like a kind of just like a viral a moment of virality doesn't necessarily make it although we did he was a meme we did record

we did record an episode that's I guess tomorrow's episode Gritty is a who now Gritty's officially a who so I guess I just contradicted myself interesting

but Gritty's great Gritty's great I think I'm into Gritty you into Gritty I'll show you Ben I give Gritty's officially a who, so I guess I just contradicted myself. Interesting. Gritty's great. I'm into Gritty. You into Gritty? I'll show you, Ben. I give Gritty a subscript. I don't like... Ken Bone was too political. Too political? I don't like making political viral moments who's... Sure, sure. I agree with that. You're Joe the Plumber.

He's the new mascot for the Philly... the Flyers. The Philadelphia Flyers. Gritty's great. He looks fun. Yeah, he's great. He looks fun. Yeah, he's weird. He's a googly-eyed monster. They designed him. Oh, yeah, I'm a fan of Gritty.

His hands squeak, his stomach squeaks. Oh, that's lovely. His eyes are googly. He's sort of barrel-shaped. But once again, you're saying, okay, so he became him, but he is an artist and he's a performer. He's a performer, yeah.

He is an act. That's a big difference between him and Ken Bone. That's the distinction. He's a performer. Ken Bone was performer, yeah. He is an act. That's a big difference between him and Ken Bone. That's the distinction. He's a performer. Ken Bone was discovered. But someone like Rita Ora, who's kind of the ultimate who, right? Gritty is intentional. Yes, Gritty's intentional.

Gritty was made to draw internet attention. Rita Ora, very intentional. Chrissy Teigen is going to comment on Gritty. Right. There will be a photo of Gritty and Chrissy Teigen. Where does the Chrissy Teigen recognition, acknowledgement land in sort of the arc

of a who? Do you think that's the moment they've made it or the moment that they're starting to fall? They've hit peak. I think it's the moment they made it, but also she's so early, so it's the moment they made it. Right.

It's the moment they're on the wider radar. And I'm not even sure if that counts anymore because she's so prolific at this point in terms of like tweeting about everything but she is sort of the first one

to maybe tap the sword on each shoulder yeah go you're a who yeah she legitimizes things right because before that

maybe you're a what you're a what what huh where yeah like gritty we introduced Bobby right we introduced Bobby okay I forgot bobby okay i forgot to introduce

yeah the audience got fingered that was nice um welcome national treasure i'm just looking at the tabs i opened while we were oh brenton thwaites yeah he had he had four hacks and missed with all of them hacks at the tree he did a pirate right four the four Maleficent The Giver The Giver Gods of Egypt yeah and then Pirates Five Five

Dead Men Tell No Tales you know Salazar's Revenge he was the son he was Orlando Bloom's son yes Henry Turner right

because I always got and Kaya Skolodaro is that how you say her name she was the the love interest but didn't that movie still make you know hundreds of millions of dollars

wasn't it still sort of successful even by the standards of like the low low standards required of a Pirates movie it was a huge flop like

it did badly it sort of falls into the Transformers category where like four was like it made like 700 million dollars

worldwide but it cost like you know 250 to make it you know like so Disney broke even i guess like the first three transformers all do really well then the fourth one is like wow that's a big dip but these are still profitable and then five lost a ton of money okay they're kind of on

the four where it's like we're thresholdy and if they went back to the well one more time they'd probably lose and then bumblebee is next yes how will How will Bumblebee do? You know, people say Bumblebee is charming, right? I have heard similar buzz. I just don't know why audiences don't care. Bumblebee, is it fully, is it PG? Is it like fully a family film? Oh, maybe. It looks very Iron Giant-y. I like that it seems

very small. I don't know if you guys saw the new trailer that came out. No, it's fine. There's a new one this week, but a thing I like is all the Transformers in it have the fucking classic designs. And I'm not like one of those assholes that like,

they shouldn't have changed it. But when you see a CG version of the old blocky Optimus Prime, you're like, that is just a better design. That's a better piece of graphic iconography than the weird flame,

like, boobed, rounded edge kind of dude, you know? So this one's for the fans. This one's for the fans this one's for the fans and it's for the families it feels a little like that but when I was watching it

I love Haley Steinfeld and I find her charming and she's charming in the trailer but the trailer is basically like what if like a kid found a fucking transformer in their garage and I'm like we have absolutely already done this like I don't know if this is new enough the big move is the first movie,

that's the first 30 minutes and then it becomes Michael Bay coffee. And they were like, what if we kept it there? Yeah, but there's still, the trailer's still full of robots fighting each other,

you know, and they go to some fucking, you know, Transformer planet and Optimus Prime is there and he's like, I am president. He says some Transformer planet

as if he doesn't know that they go to Cybertron. I genuinely... You know that they go to Cybertron. You know that they go to Cybertron. I don't. I haven't seen any of the other ones. I mean, three is a masterpiece. Three is the good one. Apart from one.

One and three are good. Two and four are reprehensible and five is mostly reprehensible with some things. Five is the one that four and five are Wahlberg. Five is the one 4 and 5 are Wahlberg 5 is the one with Cogman

with Cogman our favorite actor remember Cogman the sociopathic robot butler I kind of I turn I turn myself off when Transformers

I think America too has started I'm gonna I have a perfect segue but I just want to say Transformers 5 features Cogman

who is a robot who self-identifies as a psychopath. He says, I am a bit psychopathic. Yes. Who doesn't transform. Who's the voice? What's the butler from Downton Abbey? Yes. Okay. He doesn't transform. Jim Carter, is that his name? I don't know the name.

I just know butler from Downton Abbey. Transforms into no vehicle. He doesn't turn into anything. He's just like a clockwork man. He doesn't turn into like a car at any point. Literally nothing. He's a steampunky butler who's just a little bit taller than a human, is a psychopath,

and likes playing dramatic music on the organ. I mean, the best part of the whole movie and maybe of all movies. They do it twice. Is right. When like Anthony Hopkins is giving some exposition where he's telling the history. And you are the last knight. and there's like opera music playing and then you realize that it's just

cogman he's singing he's like in the rafters singing the opera music and he's hitting the organ uh it's really good and cogman won best supporting actor so the thing i was gonna say is that transformers 3 dark of the moon shares an actor with this film franc Frances McDormand. That's true. The villain in that. Sure. Is she the main villain? I think she ends up being the main villain. Her and John Benjamin.

Clearly, I don't remember it that well. Right. In the voice of reason here. Yes. She was in the Israeli military. She was in the Israeli military, yeah. This movie does the exact same thing that It's Complicated does, which we'll get to soon,

where she's in the first 30 minutes a lot, and then really kind of disappears. She pops back up like one more time. One more time. But the first 30 minutes, you're just like,

great, we're going to have her as the voice of reason. Right, you're like, this is a four-person movie. Yeah, it's a square.

Yeah, you got Keaton, Jack, McDormand, and Pete. They're all going to be at the house together for one weekend

this doesn't this doesn't span you know 36 months at all this is gonna be a weekend movie no one's gonna grow a Tolstoy-esque beard

in the middle of this movie this is one of those movies I love where it spends so much time on the first hour right that these people

are together and then so much time on the first day and then the first week and then it just jumps six months it's very it's very Jerry Maguire in that right it a five-act movie with sort of surprising time jumps about people who fall in love and figure it out a lot longer away.

Like it takes them a while to figure it out. And this is where I really think you start to see the auteurist of, okay, this is Nancy Meyers' storytelling style and is distinctly different than the Myers Shire collaborations. Because those movies kind of just run like clockwork. They're really good, like, glossy studio comedies, adult studio comedies, right? But this is like, okay, there's no 3X structure here. This is just

a series of movements that happen and every time you watch, like, every time I would get to a scene where I was like, okay, this is the point in another movie, like, you have them would get to a scene where I was like, okay, this is the point in another movie. Like, you have them only realize they're in love with each other at the 85-minute point. Then they get in a fight. And then 10 minutes later, they come back together. And this movie has them realize they like each other an hour in.

And there's an hour and 10 minutes left. 54 minutes, and I think it's like 54, 55 minutes they're in love. But you just expect the normal version of this movie is 30 minutes where they fight, 30 minutes where they start to connect, then they realize they're in love, he hurts her, they break up, they come back together, and that last part takes 10 minutes.

Sure. In total. 90 to 100 minute movie, yeah. And this movie has an hour of her trying to make sense of what happened and him doing the same. Yeah, kind of. Except he mostly does it off screen.

Right, but then he has his fill in the blanks. No, he's got some stuff. Yeah. He's got some stuff. David? Hey, Griffin. David, I'm moving. You are moving, that's true. You got a new place. I got a new place and my mom asked me

do I need to get bedding for you because my mom still rightly assumes I don't know how to do anything on my own. Right, assumes you just sleep on a bale of hay, which to be fair, that's pretty much how I've been sleeping during the move. You're a hay baler. Yes.

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Like, were you seeing her in theaters? When did she come to me? Like, you know, parent trap, you said you had a close connection to. I guess the first Nancy Meyers movie that I saw in theaters, because it's weird, people do, as I guess an outspoken fan of Nancy Meyers, I wouldn't call myself like a fanatic, but I am a huge fan of Nancy Meyers. It's sort of become a thing that my friends have known me for. So if it comes up, it's like, what's your favorite Nancy Meyers movie?

And I don't know how to answer that because it's like, what do you mean by Nancy Meyers movie? And so I will always have to be like, if we're picking from the entire filmography that she has written. Written and directed. Written and or directed. has written and directed or directed written and or directed i would probably go with you know i would jump back and forth between parent trap and baby boom wow and then if you asked me you know what's my favorite nancy meyer's directorial effort i would say parent trap or something's got to give but i so i think the number one answer that has parent trap that's kind of easy because it's just it's one of those movies that you see when you're

12 and it does something to you and I will just never, I will never lose my love for that. I also think there's a distinction of like, oh, Parent Trap might be your favorite movie that she directed but someone's got to give is the Nancy Meyers movie. Yes, I think so.

Parent Trap is very anomalous in the grand scheme of her career. So, like, I get that it doesn't really count. But my connection... The first Nancy Meyers movie that I saw in theaters

is one of the movies she directed, and it was Father of the Bride Part II, which I saw... She didn't direct. She didn't direct. Yeah.

That I saw as a double feature with Toy Story. Oh! Which is a really lovely, like it was a really lovely movie going day for me. That's really nice. I mean, we've talked about our love for Father of the Bride Part 2.

And we've never talked about Toy Story on this podcast. It's so good. We never, right, no. That one doesn't come up. I also love Father of the Bride Part 2. Now, as a kid, I obviously had no idea who, I guess I probably just thought of it as a Steve Martin movie.

But yes, it was very important to me. And the rest of my connection, I don't know. Baby Boom was one of those movies in, as a child of the

80s and the 90s. So only 80s, 90s kids won't understand. Sort of your, your taste gets influenced by a wide variety of things. But I think one of those things that is lost now is that your taste is sort of decided for you based on what channels you had.

And so we didn't have a huge cable package, but we had TBS and TNT. And guess what? Baby Boom was on all the time. And that was one of – and of course, some people would have seen Baby Boom and skipped it. I happen to be like, I'm interested. So, you know, what does that say

about me? But Baby Boom was one that I watched a lot that I taped. And so I watched Baby Boom a lot. My mom liked Private Benjamin,

so I watched Private Benjamin. Sure. I feel like I was similarly shaped by the Disney Channel, which at that point had very little

original programming and didn't have access to most Disney movies. But they played Parent Trap all the time. And they also played, before that, Father of the Bride Part 2 a lot. They never played Part 1. I've probably seen Part 2 like 10 times. It's the same. I've seen Part 1 like maybe twice.

Maybe twice. Part 2 I've seen so many times. And I saw Part 2 first for sure. It always felt like Disney Channel only got the sequels to things. Like I'd see Short Circuit 2 so much. Oh, me too. I've seen two first for sure. It always felt like Disney Channel only got the sequels to things. I'd see Short Circuit 2 so much. Oh, me too. I've seen the first one once and I love the second one. I think I love it.

I loved it a lot growing up. It's just baked into the personality when you're that young, I feel like. What's another one? Jumpin' Jack Flash I had a weird relationship with. And the reason I watched it and I remember why i watched it was because the the tv guide and like the the san antonio newspaper had you know they they had the star ratings pulled in from something i think it was probably like leonard malton star ratings or like an all movies guide that they had an access access to and it was one of the few ones that i noticed being on a lot

as like you know in the early 90s and it had one star and i thought it was it was one of the few ones that I noticed being on a lot as like you know in the early 90s and it had one star and I thought it was one of the movies that was one star only and I was like I gotta watch this bad movie and I ended up liking it it's an R rated movie but edited for television that's like basically a

heist movie for kids it's like a spy movie for children when you cut out the language it's a children's movie and like Who When you cut out the language, it's a children's movie. And like Whoopi Goldberg is having the time of her life in that movie and that was always fun for me. And it has like a weird computer angle to it too that I thought was fun. I weirdly

watched Siskel and Ebert recently where they were just reeling against, I guess Jumping Jack Flash and Burglar came out back to back. Okay, I've never seen Burglar. And they were like, Whoopi, gotta stop making these dumb action movies. This was right after The Color Purple. Right, and they were like, she's clearly one of the best actors,

but she keeps on making these movies where she rides a motorcycle and wears black. Right. What was Nancy's pen name for Jumping Jack Flash? I don't know why I don't know that off the top of my head. David, have you seen Baby Boom? No. Should we do a bonus? Well, I don't know if we the top of my head um david have you seen baby boom no should we do a bonus well i don't know if we should add another one to the docker to save it for the charles shire miniseries but uh that is true we could do shire it is one that has continually come up when

i see people writing about us getting ready to cover nancy of i hope they do baby boom and it feels like of the shire myers collaborations that's the one that sort of got her voice the most yeah and people love it and it's fucking Harold Ramis who like we talk about

loving whenever he acts in a movie and who's who's the vet oh god wait wait in the movie Sam Wanamaker

yeah oh yeah Sam Shepard Sam Shepard Sam Shepard I also I mean I have a soft spot for every Charles Shire movie that I've seen which is

Father of the Bride, Father of the Bride Part 2 and I Love Trouble I Love Trouble was very popular in my family for some reason that is weird it's like those I don't know how to categorize those things but they exist it's like I don't know why I Love Trouble is part of my life

but it is. They were real video store movies. The poster was up. Julia Roberts and Nick Nolte. I don't know. They love Trouble. Watch out. Mike Ryan, past future guest, friend of the show,

once, I'm trying to remember who it was, but referred to some director as the three-star general. That's pretty good. Which I feel like is what you could call Charles Shire, which is like, if you popped into a blockbuster and you rented a Shire, three stars. You just have a nice time. You know? He's a three-star general.

He keeps the ships running. The only Shire film that... Well, Alfie's weird, actually. Alfie's weird. I have seen Alfie. I've never seen Alfie. Alfie's weird. Weird movie.

The Affair of the Necklace I have not seen. That was like his big misstep. That was an out and out flop. Yes. Right. But it was also him going way out of his comfort zone with a star who was also way out of her comfort zone. Right. It's like two out of comfort zone people and him, I think, trying to figure out what his identity is without Nancy. I mean, that's what that really felt like to me, you know?

But we're not here to talk, Shire. We're not. We're here to talk. Something's gotta give. Something's gotta give. Did you see it in theaters? Did you see it? Shire. We're not. We're here to talk. Something's got to give. Something's got to give. Did you see it in theaters? I did. I saw it. I saw it. The Saturday it opened with my sister.

And we were very excited. I saw it with my mom and brother. The whole family went to Something's Got to Give. My dad might have gone. It was definitely like a family outing to see Something's Got to Give. I watched it on VHS with my mom. Yep. And we both didn't like it. I didn't like it either. Yeah. Yeah. I loved it on VHS with my mom. And we both didn't like it.

I didn't like it either. Yeah. I loved it. I was a big Oscar watcher. This movie came out in 03. I knew it was an Oscar-tipped film. With the Keaton thing, there was so much buzz from the get-go. And for the 2000s especially, it would feel like every year would come down to,

here's a veteran actress getting the best role of the latter half of her career versus here's a young ingenue turning serious for the first time. And you'd have your, like, Sissy Spacek versus Halle Berry. Sure. Your, like, double Annette Bening versus Hilary Swank. Right. And then this year was the, like, Theron Keaton thing. And it was, like, are they going to give her the second Oscar for getting it back?

Or are they going to crown Theron the new person? But it felt like a two-horse race the entire fall. Like Keaton could have won. I think she had a shot. But she, like the other person you mentioned just now, Sissy Spacek, was eventually undone by the fact that she has an Oscar. Yeah. And yeah, so whatever. Charlize took it. Halle took it. Two years in a row. just now Sissy Spacek was eventually undone by the fact that she has an Oscar yeah and yeah so whatever

Charlie's took it Halle took it two years in a row those are back to back years and then you have the swanks around them yeah right

who's 2002 someone's 2002 was Kidman Kidman that was a weird one because that was the two worst races

was kind of Kidman more who were contemporaries yeah yeah and Kidman just had the were contemporaries. Yeah, yeah. And Kidman just had the big movie and the D-glam. And she won by a nose. Do you remember he said that? Of course I do.

Who was, wait, who was the... Oh, Denzel. Yeah, by a nose. That was the other one was, I think that was, yeah, that was the Chicago year. Yeah. Catherine Zeta-Jones wins Best Supporting Actress and Sean Connery presents it

and you cannot make out what he's saying. I remember being at a party where we were like, did Queen Latifah just win? No, she went, and the winner is Catherine. Yes, yes, that's right. He just said her first name, and it sounded like a sneeze. He's Scottish, she's Welsh.

The winner is Catherine. I believe she was the first award of the night. The winner is Catherine. There was, yeah first award of the night. The winner is... You know when they have the five and then they'll have the zoom in on the one who's won. It's the five sort of close-ups. Right.

Latifah and Zeta Jones were right next to each other. The camera started zooming and it looked like it was Latifah. I was at an Oscar party with my parents and everyone started screaming because for half a second we were like, Queen Latifah just won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress. And we were all so excited. She didn't win.

She didn't. Catherine Zeta-Jones. There's also some Oscars right around then that opened with like probably a month. No, I think it literally opens with Sean Connery coming out and going like the movie. They're so good. Like, like he had just some bullshit model.

I was like, ah, the movies. And then he's like, please enjoy. And they just showed a montage of movies. I like, it might've been like the 70th.

Like it might've been some milestone Oscars. I like that. Your Sean Connery impression sounds like Muppet baby, Sean Connery. Ah, the movies. I love the moviesnery. Dumb movies. I love dumb movies so much. Dumb movies.

I wish I could find it. I always fall for those movies montages. Like last year at the Oscar party. Boys in the Hood to Ben-Hur. Maybe half of them were like, why are we doing this? And half of them were like, I really like this.

I think we all agree. Give me three minutes of this. We never want, like, the idea that the Oscar should be short is sort of ludicrous. That's deranged. I'm going to broach a difficult subject, okay?

Oh, boy. Because I think we're the kind of big dummies who love those montages, who watch five million of them. If they made them their own night, we would watch it and tape it and re-watch it.

But when- The movies. The movies. The movies. Baby wants his bottle. But when they say like, oh, we want the telecast to be shorter and we're going to cut out a bunch of the below the line awards,

I'm just like, then cut the fucking montages. Like I love the montages, but it feels more disrespectful to cut those from the ceremony when we know that's what pads out the show. Yeah, but honestly, they want to cut eight awards. Fuck that! There's not enough time in the montages for them to save, but they're going to cut so many. I remember 2009, they literally did a montage for each different genre. They were like, here's our tribute to horror.

Here's our tribute to this. I can't remember why. montage for each different genre they were like here's our tribute to horror yes here's a trip to this and that was the john hughes year where they also had a john hughes specific montage and had macaulay caulkin and judd nelson and emilio estevez all like give testimonies and i was like fuck it what are you doing i don't know i don't know why they do the year that i'm shankman produced i got no beef with montages i love them yeah i mean was shankman the one who introduced the the weird panel of like former winners who was like when you were so good they did it two years i think it was that was the year before but they did it twice yes and then they had to have like the people on stage remember that the nominees i'm gonna offer my correction well they did that one 2008 was past winners where it was like heath ledger quote-unquote got his oscar

from kevin klein joel gray but each nominee was given a speech by it wasn't even the way like 2008 was past winners where it was like Heath Ledger quote unquote got his Oscar from Kevin Kline Joel Grey but each nominee was given a speech by it wasn't even the way like right because I remember

Cuba Gunny Jr. talking to Robert Downey Jr. angry that he was stealing roles from the brothers yes but then 2009 it wasn't past winners

it was people they had worked with it was just pals right right because it was Colin Farrell talking about

the hijinks that he and Jeremy Renner got into during SWAT. Yes, that's right. That's right. Jeremy, remember? SWAT? I don't remember.

Yeah. God, the Oscars. They're so good. The movies. The movies. The movies. The movies. You're like one of the first people.

I mean, this is the cornerstone of my friendship with David and this podcast existing. But Bobby, you're like one of the first people where like our friends like set us up and we're like, you guys should hang out. Yeah, we had a real friend date. Did we talk about this in the first place? We talked about this on Blank Chat. But we like went to a bar and talked for six hours because we got so into talking about the marginalia of movie culture like the montages and shit.

It was very pleasant. And I also feel like you're kind of, I feel like there's a lot more internet love for Nancy Meyers now. I see a lot more people doing like the Diane crying at the computer gif. There was a meme thing last year where people were like,

cast your own holiday remake. Look, who are your four actors? I feel like you were one of the first people I saw on the internet in a very funny way, sort of like making your fandom of rom-coms and like like studios 90s like comedies feel like like fucking Star Wars fandom or something well I think I mean certainly among my friends it didn't it didn't feel like I was any sort of anomaly or outlier. But I think that might have to do with earnestness and like guilty pleasures are sort of in vogue now. Because it's like we, let's just be honest with ourselves with what we like.

Let's try not to be too condescending towards these things that maybe we feel guilty about liking. And so it's like, you know what? I do like it when the holiday's on. I do like it when something's got to give us on. Yeah. And maybe it was easy to look down on those movies at the time. And I think that might, I mean, that doesn't really count here. But I think that might explain why there's been more Nancy love.

And also the narrative around the intern really, really helped her. That was the one that turned me. She never really had the opportunity to tell her story, and she was so open about how hard it was for her to make that movie and how much of a triumph that was for her personally just as a director, as a woman in the industry. And when people heard that framing, I think it gave them permission to revisit all of her movies with that eye

and say, like, it's kind of astounding that she made any of these movies. And especially this one. Right. Especially. And also as time has gone on we've gotten less and less of this kind of movie. So we're nostalgic for it. So you go like the intern like there are a couple things that happen. A. She's

telling the story. B. The movie doesn't have the same kind of success her earlier films did. Although it did alright alright and then you go like okay but this kind of feels like a death knell to this type of film which was already pretty much dying off

we don't get them theatrically anymore then you have the rise of the conversation about the lack of female directors in Hollywood where people are like

maybe we didn't appreciate her when we had her maybe we didn't appreciate this genre this style of filmmaking these souffle comedies while we still had them. We wrote them off as being like, oh, you know, it's like a fun rainy day movie, but it's like not good.

Like I feel like she's one of those filmmakers where even the people who liked her movies so often had to couch it in like, I know it's not a good movie, but like I just, it makes me feel good. And now we're more comfortable saying it's a good movie. Right. I think you're just, and I'm not saying you're the first person to do this, but I just feel like, and part of it has to do with the fact that you're funny and you always were able to make good content about it, but that you were just like, I'm going to have no shame about these movies. I'm going to be very earnest in my love for them and talk about how deeply I think about them the same way that people think about all the background aliens

at the Star Wars cantina. And I think about you doing your video that was for Albert Knobbs, where you did the video of Glenn Close losing another Oscar. And you compiled all the footage of her hearing that someone else had won. And very graciously nodding. And you cut it like a James Bond trailer. Oh, my God. I completely forgot. And I used the iMovie template.

Right. And you said Glenn Close is going to lose again this year. And I remember being like, wow, someone else thinks that much about this. Because I knew, like, the day that the Academy started putting up all the old clips on YouTube, I would just compulsively rewatch every, like, acting winner. Of course. And watch all five of their faces be like, this time I'm just going to focus on how Meryl's reacting.

And you just, I don't know, I just think it's all tied to this sort of cultural shift. You guys should have been on the boards with me is all I'm saying because I was doing that shit

my whole teenage life. Yeah, I was on real nerdy boards. I wasn't on the right boards. Yeah, you weren't on my Oscar boards. No. Because on the Oscar boards it was literally like, well, there's four acknowledged factions. Yeahicole kidman julianne moore kate

blanchett uh-huh and then there was a fourth one there were four actresses who had such intense fan bases that they would like do battle on the boards and nicole and julianne were queens yes and kate was seen as this like if you were a Kate fan, it was like, sorry about Veronica Guerin, sweetie. Like, you know, Kate was like the lame one. Yeah.

Cause she doesn't bounce back until she wins the Oscar. That's when she starts getting like really plum rolls. Before then she was kind of doing stuff like the missing, like. I also think she wasn't seen as cool for a while, which is ironic. She did a lot of like costume dramas. But they were like,

oh, she's like a good respectable actor. Who's the the fourth though who's the fourth other obvious sort of like renee zellweger that is insane as that sounds right yeah and like and like so you i and i was i was not on these boards to stand for an actress but i would watch this sort of like maelstrom happen every year yeah um anyway i remember 04 was like the one year where I would would lurk. Sure. And I would feel like

every there was always Which boards? Kind B boards or? Well no I'm trying to think. I mean it would have been this was when all the sites still had Oscar in their name

before the Oscars legally threatened. Yeah I was on Oscar Watch. I think I would lurk on Oscar Watch. Which is this thing called Awards Daily. Right.

I did. I didn't do I didn't do the awards boards. I was I was a very active poster't do the the awards boards I was I was a very active poster on the the old original Rotten Tomatoes

boards oh wow interesting and they're all gone the archives are all wiped and it was like 2002 to like

2005 or 6 but I was like very I cannot reveal it just in case it wasn't because I'm sure I just like

I'm very worried that those still exist there's nothing embarrassing. It's just like, oh, there's nothing offensive. You don't want them to be. Oh, I would spend hours on Photoshop contests too. Yes, yes. Where it's like, oh, I can't even get into it.

It's really humiliating. I would do stuff like that. I love the boards. I was going to say, I think this movie was one of the few successful versions of this phenomenon. There was always a thing, if there was like a big, glossy, somewhat adult-oriented studio comedy coming out in like October, November, December, it would get lumped into the awards conversation because they'd be like, well, if they're releasing it in the fall.

And then it would come out and be like, no, this isn't an Oscar movie. And this is one of the few times where like it did actually result in like a major candidate. And it was just, she got the nomination, but he didn't. He only got the Golden Globe, right? He got the Golden Globe.

I mean, she deserved it. Yeah, and he's doing Jack in this. He's doing Jack. He's not bad in this, but he was- That's why he was penalized. We're watching the movie how much his performance

feels like someone doing an impression of Jack Nicholson. I think he's amazing. I don't think it feels hollow. He's good. I love him. But also, you know, he had three others. I'm saying he's playing all the beats so Nicholson. I think he's amazing. I don't think it feels hollow. I love him. I'm saying he's playing all the beats so hard, which is what the movie's asking

him to do. All those hospital scenes are so good. Very good. He's so good in those. I mean, as we've talked about on the Terms of Endearment episode, he's so good at letting himself be vulnerable and foolish. There's a lack of vanity

which is rare for guys male leading men who become that successful and become sex symbols even on you know surprising terms he always sort of yeah there's something about the way he carries his sexiness in a way that like he's surprised by it you know like he's

very he's humble he owns his pot belly he owns his hairline when the movie starts and they sit him down and they're like what's your deal he's surprised by it. He's humble. He owns his pot belly. He owns his hairline. When the movie starts and they sit him down, they're like, what's your deal? He's just like, I don't know. Shrug. Ding dong.

Ding dong. Oh my God, wait. Oh my God, dude. Look at this handsome fox. Oh, this fox is kind of sexy. Oh my God, who's this fox remind me of? This reminds me of who's like, there's like, who are the famous handsome foxes that I'm trying to, who does he remind me of? Wait a second.

He's putting on a little. Fox McCloud. Painted green hat. He has a bow and arrow. Oh, Robin Hood. Oh my friend, it's Robin Hood. From the specific, that specific version of Robin Hood. He's rubbing his thighs all seductive-like.

Is he going to talk to us or am I just going to talk with you? I think he must know who our sponsor is today. Oh, because we're sponsored by Robin Hood. It was sort of like a dog whistle. I see. So he just knew that because we were going to talk Robin Hood, he was like, I got to be there. He's oiling himself down.

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I didn't like it. Every single time I've watched Something's Got to Give since I've liked it more. It wasn't until maybe the third or fourth time that I was fully in its corner. But every single time i've watched something's got to give sense i've liked it more um it wasn't until maybe the third or fourth time that i was fully in its fully in its corner but every single time i watch it i'm surprised by butterfly butterfly yeah oh butterfly always is a gut punch as as those oscars that i don't remember the specific era began with sean connery going the movies this begins with jack niels just being like, ladies, you gotta love them. While Butterfly plays, a bunch of random ladies walk around a New York City block in dresses and heels. I don't know what I was thinking.

It is crazy. I found, I was like, I'm just going to look. I'm going to see if I can find a PDF of the script somewhere online. Usually this is pretty easy to do. And I found one written in 2002. And I saw, I just wanted to see how she envisioned the opening. Yeah.

And she includes a song choice. Really? And it's not Butterfly. Really? It is, it's Nancy Meyers. Oh wait, no,

let me guess. Do you know what it is? Drowning pool with the bodies at the floor. Close. She wrote, Nancy Meyers penned the words, Ja Rule, living it up.

Wow. That's how she envisioned that movie to start. Would have been better. Would have been better. I think Butterfly was too expensive. Maybe Ja Rule was more expensive. She envisioned a very contemporary song that she had heard on the radio and was like, you know what, Halle turned it on. But Butterfly is sort of

way past its prime at this point already. Because what? Orange County is 0-2. That sounds right. And Orange County makes the running joke of everyone's listening to Butterfly and Colin Hanks is irritated by it. And they played the song like five times in the movie. And it had been around long enough that it was a joke by then.

I mean, the song came out in 2000. Right. Like it's expired. And it sounded like Crazy Town had then stuck around. And everyone was like, ah, the classics. Like it's insane. Expired. Yes. And it's not like crazy town had been stuck around. And everyone was like, ah, the classics, you know,

I love crazy town. That's what's crazy is this movie opens with butterfly by crazy town. Yes. A montage of hotties walking around the social scene in New York. He just says that he likes women. I own a rap label. And you're just like, wait a second.

And the last, and the song that credits is La Vie en Rose. Yes. Yeah. And then there's another weird, does she play like a maroon five song there's another weird modern pop song in it that feels very innocuous love it's the other sunday morning sunday morning um but then no then we cut from that to write like uh nicholson and pete in the most insane green screened car journey right and they're discussing their trip to the Hamptons I guess and you're just like what is this movie and he says also

a great moment of Nancy Myers almost being self aware but not quite crossing the finish line where he's like oh so your mom's rich and Amanda Peete's like no and Jack Nicholson's like well no she is and Amanda Peete's like well whatever I don't know

no she just wrote a few plays and he's like, well, no, she is. And Amanda Peete's like, well, whatever. I don't know. That's good, though. Her denial is, no, she just wrote a few plays. And he's like, if she lives here, she's rich. Which I do like that. Because if she lives within two zip codes of here, or whatever he says, within like 100 miles. Something like, I mean, she's in the Hamptons. She is rich.

Right. I do like that note of like, Amanda Peete is so used to exorbitant wealth that she doesn't have an understanding of what money is anymore. She thinks that's baseline neutral. Money, time, anything.

Is Amanda Peete's character the doctor? Is she Doctor Who flying through space and time? Her marriage and her pregnancy make no sense at the end of the movie. The doctor has a little more grace under pressure than Amanda Peete who freaks out when her many years divorced father decides to date a woman which also feels very tied to it's complicated and feels very hallie where it's like i think nancy meyer's perception of how children process a divorce is entirely based on her

children right because it's complicated which we will get to. Right. Basically, the kids are like, it's been 15 years but we're not over it. Very specific, surprising reactions. They're all like their own career kids. In their California King

underneath the comforter, sobbing. We can't, I mean, I can't even talk about it. It's complicated. It's really, it's complicated.

It's complicated. So, they're going to the Hamptons, which is a three-hour drive from New York City, but clearly they've done that. They decided to drive, right? So you don't want to take the jitney. They went there.

They've gone there to have sex, which they have not yet done. So weird. They're so excited to have sex in the Hamptons. It's very crucial to this movie that they never have sex. Now, do you think that's just because... Myers makes that clear three times in the movie yes but it feels very odd that i think she just knows the audience would not get on right i think that's why right but it does feel odd for the jack nicholson character to be

committing to going to the hamptons to stay at her mom's place if they haven't slept together yet and they're referring to each other as like boyfriend and girlfriend i you know but he's sort of supposed to be because like so myers makes a lot of movies as we talked about in what we want about this like kind of sleazy guy but like where she's like but i get the appeal of this guy baldwin gibson and nicholson and then and de niro is a different kind but also where she's still sort of doing this thing like you know whatever happened to the old gentleman? You know, like, yeah. And like, I think she's like, you know,

this guy likes to sleep with younger ladies or whatever. You know, he likes the sort of he likes to be youthful, right? But he still has that sort of like classy guy vibe where he's like, whatever you want and he'll like buy you champagne or whatever. There's something old school about him. He's sort of rap packy, like with all the sort of of nastiness more like rap packy because he's got a rap label do they

ever say the name of his label yeah yeah it's a drive by drive by records right which hello written by nancy myers yeah uh you know we'll talk about our blind spots right at some point i've never really been bothered by by the fact that they hadn't had sex yet no it doesn't really and and like you said it really does it's i just feel like she wants us to know yeah yes you sort of you you get it you get his character so like it's like oh no i'm gonna i'm gonna give her this yeah i think it's also just a line she knows they can't cross and come back from right um

where were we uh well so they arrive at the Hamptons they're gonna um bone yeah

in the least sexy like I know and he's like I think there's literally like an ooh baby yeah cause she's like I'll put on a swimsuit right yeah

she unzips yeah she's gonna go get changed and he's like I'm gonna take off my pants and go into the kitchen. He takes off his pants and checks out the fridge. His loose-fitting Oxford shirt. And Diane walks in with Francis McDormand.

And they have a knife and they call the cops. What a great, I love that. It's such a funny part. You see some tush. You see some old man tush. They're flipping out. Frances McDormand was in the Israeli military. A thing that is never brought up again.

Yes, yes. She's a lesbian feminist studies professor from Columbia. Did you see that on Wikipedia? A lesbian women's studies professor? They never call her a lesbian in the movie. They don't call her a lesbian. But Wikipedia is like, a lesbian. don't call her a wikipedia is like a lesbian and it's like okay yes and she has the one allusion to um what the fuck did where she's

like i mean he's not for me like what right where she sort of is a winking i think right like it's a 1930s like haze code movie that can only talk around it. Zoe. And, uh... Zoe. Zoe. And, uh, then I guess they're all just like, well, we're grown-ups, so we can all just stay in this giant house together. I guess that's the resolution. Right, because Keaton and McDormand are saying they want to leave.

Give them space. Also, you can have it, and then they say, no, no, you have it, and they say, you know what? Let's all have it. Also, the misunderstanding is ridiculous, because Pete's like, I thought you weren't going to be here, because you said you were writing, and Keaton's like, well, no, you have it. And they say, you know what? Let's all have it. Also, the misunderstanding is ridiculous because Pete's like, I thought you weren't going to be here because you said you were writing. And Keaton's like, well, I was going to write here. And I'm like, a phone call is all this takes. At her big writing desk where all of her writing material is on. Clearly, she wants to write in the Hamptons.

It's designed for it. Also, in a movie that's very into both texting and AIM. That's true. Like, they're showing multiple forms of communication. They don't check in with each other at all. They don't check in. It's just five more minutes of work

on the misunderstanding Nancy that's all I want. For Pete and Nicholson this is like a teen comedy where it's like we're going to go to our parents cabin this weekend

I think this is the night that we're finally going to do it. Right but the idea of like Saturday finally it's sex night then they get there Sex afternoon.

Right and they are like no it's fine you can stay then get there. Sex afternoon. Right. And they are like, no, it's fine. You can stay. Then go into the bedroom and they're like, well, let's continue with our plans. Let's turn on Marvin Gaye.

Almost immediately in the daylight just after arriving and having his wiener seen by two other women. He's got the underwear on in that scene. I thought they saw something.

No, no, no. When did they see the tush? When he's in the hospital. I thought you saw a double tush in this picture. He's got boxers on in that scene. I thought they saw something here. No, no, no. When did they see the tush? When he's in the hospital. I thought you saw double tush in this picture. He's got boxers on in the... He's got boxers on. You're right.

Okay. Fair enough. Nancy doesn't want to... They saw his gams. Yeah, they do. They saw his sticks. His pegs. And they're all

in the house together. And I guess they just have dinner because it's really just... The crucial scene is that they have dinner. They have a beautiful dinner. A beautiful dinner. A beautiful spaghetti.

They serve it in the big, beautiful bowl. Yeah. And the dinner is essentially like, so what the fuck, Jack Nicholson? Like, you've never been married. You're dating my daughter. Well, McDormand realizes that she's read this profile on him. Right, right, right. He's escaped the noose, quote unquote. Right.

Yeah. New York Magazine. Yeah. I love a New Yorkork magazine reference uh like a because that happens in when harry met sally too it's like oh i read a new york magazine while like the the white people in new york are eating dinner together it's like okay we have to add in what did you read in new york magazine oh you read about him okay great uh he's uh he's a womanizer he's a womanizer a famous womanizer and he's responding to every question with like what are

you gonna do that's what i love about that that's one of the things i love about that scene it's not no one is everyone is aware of how weird it is but everyone's approaching it like kind of like humorously they're like this is weird let's all recognize that this is weird and i like that the movie allows that um and then some when they tiptoe up to like conflict they'll kind of then tiptoe away like you know Nicholson will be like alright and he's like no no I'm sorry I'm sorry you know like they all there is that sort of veneer of politeness that even though

we get the idea that Erica Diane Keaton is you know a blunt person in some ways that she knows she can't just literally be like you're not allowed to sleep with my daughter and also this happens and it's complicated too but it's She knows she can't just literally be like, you're not allowed to sleep with my daughter. She can't do that. And also this happens and it's complicated too, but it's Nancy likes, she likes peppering in a little like progressive ideas and progressive thoughts about like relationships and sex. But then she never quite crosses the finish line.

Like she introduces that like, these are some liberal people and these are people who have like very open winded feelings about sex but at the end of the day like she could never handle her daughter fucking the same guy she did she could never handle these things like she could never handle the thought of red lines this happens and it's complicated

too and yeah so she wants to be an independent woman but she also so yearns to have this sort of like normal monogamous domestic bliss of Nicholson the second they sleep together

yeah you know we're talking about the dinner the dinner spaghetti and bowl diamond the chill is like a good time to cut to our

remote correspondent oh sure my sister Romley Newman long time sister mine Nancy Myers fan food expert does a segment once per episode called Romley's Kitchen Corner. So we're going to cut over live to her now.

Welcome to Romley's Kitchen Corner. And here is your host, Miss Romley Newman, in her kitchen. Oh, hello. I'm just slicing some onions in my kitchen. This is my favorite Nancy Meyers kitchen by far, just because I think it looks like what Nancy Meyers kitchen probably looks like. But also this is the most kitchen heavy movie out of any Nancy Meyers movie, probably any movie ever. There's a lot of time spent in that kitchen. There's an amazing Viking range, huge island, A lot of fruit in bowls.

A lot of fresh cut flowers. I mean, this is what I dream of at night. But it's a really good kitchen. It's a really good design kitchen. And two sinks. A lot of cookbooks. You know Diane Keenan's cooking in this kitchen. Oh, man.

That made me hungry. Yep. Thank you, Romley. Thanks, Rom. So then they go to play Marvin Gaye and fuck while McDormand and Keaton are still at the table talking about them fucking.

Can you believe they're fucking right now? McDormand has her big monologue where she unpacks She's a women's studies professor at Columbia. Which is a little like you're just realizing like you know

whatever it doesn't matter she has her big thesis statement-y kind of monologue and I think McDormand's great in this movie

she's really funny she so rarely plays just like a person and she's basically playing just a normal person who you can imagine like going to a restaurant and like eating some food

it did make me wish she would do more movies like this like not at the exclusion of other films but it's like it'd be nice if McDormand did a big comedy once every three years. It's a very friends

with money performance, but without the darkness. Because Frances McDormand has a few lines where she can have a lot of fun, but then it's like, oh, this is a little too real. I can't fully embrace this. Representation. I feel like the Oscar season last year turned Francesdormand into

like an elemental in my eyes now like i just can't think of inclusion writer regular person yes yes um i i do love her though and then he has a heart attack he has a heart attack yes and uh real heart attack at first they think and he looks like shit the screams are screams of joy and pleasure and ecstasy then they realize oh in fact a man has passed out right and diane delivers the immortal line you fucking man which i love yeah this is what that's when the movie basically like it's like fast and furious like we've kicked into five like the fifth gear they've hit the nose i'm so happy when she says you fucking man and uh and then he goes to the hospital and who's there but Keanu

Reeves oh my god he's so fucking hot in this movie go on Bobby sorry no I'm just agreeing Keanu Reeves is so fucking hot when he shows up in this movie it's a little alarming like you're like who is this alabaster of God and like maybe the best hair anyone has ever had

incredible it's one of his best it's one of his best looks, yeah. Yeah. Except that weird suit that he wears to the date that he gets stood up in. Yes. A strange, very pastel suit. Doesn't quite suit him. That's true.

He's like went into his Sims wardrobe and picked like casual or whatever. But like if you like cut to a full shot of him and his feet were like one, two inches off the ground, you know, he was just like hovering a little bit. I'd be like, yeah, right. I'm sort of like Angel. Is this a remake of Michael? Now that's Norafron. I know. The head hairdresser on the tech is Keanu's

go-to hair person. And I just always had to hold back from being like, what does it feel like? I'd ask her questions about it all the time. I will, I'll say this, because I, does she like Keanu? This is a platform I would love to use

to shout this to the rafters. Every story I have heard from everyone who has worked with Keanu, anyone who's worked with Keanu in any capacities, that's the fucking greatest guy. Like, they're like, there is no one kinder.

I have heard similar things. More collaborative. He looks out for fucking everyone on set. He takes such good care of everybody. I have only ever heard good things about him also that he like likes movies and

watches lots of them a lot and he like really supports people he like you know he like runs a set like a president

in terms of being like I will not let anyone suffer well not like you know the president the current president not like our cartoon

president wait Bobby what were you gonna say um what was i gonna say about keanu reeves i reeves i guess nothing okay are you a reeves fan yeah i am you're like no i like him i like him a lot i haven't seen destination wedding but i will oh yes i mean i will see that as it deserves to be seen like on amazon prime yeah i tried to watch it vod in a country house upstate with my mother and I was just like, I can't do this because she's going to scoff at it.

I need to watch this in a zone of entirely calm because I'm going to love it. I do have a slight read on this movie that it is about essentially Jack Nicholson having a heavenly experience after possibly dying

or at least flatlining. Look, I had the notion watching it, re-watching it this morning, that there are very few movies that commit so hard to their color palette being white. Right. It's the whiteness. And not even cream or beige. It's really white.

And when they're on the beach, they're both wearing white. The sand looks white. The sky looks white because like it looks like a heaven set movie it looks like defending your life or something right the plot is at this point it's like well you can't go anywhere you got to recuperate so the only place you can be is this hamptons home with diane alone and she's going to be all in white and everything's going to be white and you're kind of going to be trapped in a weird way. It's a weird sort of misery. Yeah, exactly.

It's almost like your spiritual rebirth begins here, Jack. You can't leave. But the cinematography literally looks bleached. Well, that's where she starts her look. Yes. This is where she starts her look. And as Ron talked about the kitchen, this is the first real kitchen.

Yeah, this is a proper kitchen. I wanted to ask you two about this. I feel like I don't have a, my eye might not be as trained as it could be, but how much of those beach scenes were on the beach and how many of them were like weird composites? Some of them look really weird. Because a lot of them are like, oh, they're on the beach. But then some of them are like, I think you might be on the beach and how many of them were like weird composites. Some of them look really weird. Because a lot of them are like,

oh, they're on the beach. But then some of them are like, I think you might be on the beach, but the sky is fake. The sky looks so strange. And then sometimes it's like, I think you are in a soundstage in Greenpoint.

Like it's like, I don't know. There is a lot of weird CGI in this. She uses a lot of CGI. I'll get into this in the next episode. But I heard from reliable sources that the holiday cost $100 million and 20 plus were CGI. I'll get into this in the next episode, but I heard from reliable sources that the holiday cost $100 million

and 20 plus were CGI. Jesus. Wow. She like, I think, I mean, to some degree I think it's the control thing. I don't think we've really talked about this yet in this mini-series, but she does have a reputation from everyone I know who's worked with her, talking again about like reputations

from crews and stuff, right? Of just being an insane perfectionist. Huge micromanager. And she just takes her fucking time. And it's in it like to a David Fincher Kubrick degree. But whereas those guys are lauded for like, here it takes them like 20 days to shoot one page

because every detail matters. Most of the crew guys I've talked to who work with Nancy Myers are like, yeah, that shit can't make up a fucking mind. And it's like, but you like it when it's like blood spatter on a wall. Yeah, right. And you don't like it because you think it's a turtleneck

and it doesn't matter. Right, she's picking between 18 different white turtlenecks or whatever. Right. But to some degree, I think her use of CGI backgrounds isn't like, well, they couldn't go and film in that place.

I think it's more that she's like, this guy has to look like this. You know? It might be some combination of touching up the image they actually created because there are

so many moments. I mean, the car feels like, okay, they didn't want to shoot in a moving vehicle. That's fine. They CGI'd the background in the car. But then there's so many

other moments where they like step out of a door and you're like, that block looks like Flubber. Or he's in purgatory. Yes. Anyway, I like this theory.

I like this theory too. But also if it's the only way to explain just the strangeness of Nancy Myers is universe. I think it's just the entire universe is like, it's, it's not ours. They're like twilight zone episodes where people have like tests of their moral integrity because just because it's literally about about Jack Nicholson entering this situation and everyone being like,

you ever wanted to not do this, though? And he's like, oh, I never thought about it. Well, Jack very famously womanizer, the great American lover of the 70s and the 80s. Angelica Huston was the person who it seemed like, oh, he might actually settle down with her. They were together for a long time, and then he got another woman pregnant, and that's the only time he's ever been married.

Yes. And he had two kids with her, I think. Rebecca Broussard, yes. Lorraine and Raymond, and of course Amy Nicholson is his daughter, as we previously established on her episode. Uh-huh. Yes.

How long did that marriage last? That marriage lasted five years. 89 to 94. But that really felt like it was a, I want the children to have a proper, I don't want to project, but by all appearances it felt like it was like he got someone pregnant in an affair outside of his

long time relationship with Angelica Houston and wanted the kids to be in a stable home. And hasn't remarried since then. Diane Keaton is more of the Nicholson in this case than she has never been married. Yes, that's true. She is actually the lifelong bachelor. Right, and like 20 plus years ago,

she was like, I'm just going to adopt kids. I don't ever want to have a husband. I just want to raise kids on my own, and she did. It's interesting that I feel like their reputations are kind of flipped in terms of the public perception. Because she's another person who had all these super famous long-term relationships with collaborators. Well, she dated Woody Allen, Warren Beatty, Al Pacino. Right.

Those are the three big ones. And she dated each of them for a long time. And then we've heard that she apparently dated Keanu Reeves after this movie, which is insane. Oh, really? I didn't know that. I didn't know that. We have been told that. We've been told that. It will come out in a this movie, which is insane. Oh, really? I didn't know that. I didn't know that. We have been told that we've been told that it will come out later.

Corroborated. Yes. Wow. Like for how, like a little brief, I think for a little brief, like a summer, a summer,

something just had to give a pair. Something had to give, um, another reason to like Keanu Reeves. Yeah, I know. Right. But I, I'm sure you guys read like the couple of interviews Nicholson's done the last

couple of years where he talks about like, yeah, I wonder if I fucked it up. And he's like, you know, I'm like 80 years old and I sleep alone in a bed and I wonder if I had too much fun at the expense of ever actually building a life for myself. I'll say like when you watch him in this movie, like doing the more vulnerable stuff, like where he's sort of hobbling around at the hospital and afterwards and stuff like when he falls over uh in the parking lot outside the hospital i i'm thinking like god i want him to do like that tony erdman remake or something like i want jack to do like one more thing well and like you compare like him to baity right and those were like the two major hollywood lovers of their time and then Beatty like settles down hard with Annette Bening and he was just like yeah you know I was like old I'm not

gonna like do this all the time I met a woman I loved we had a bunch of kids I'm really happy and Nicholson just never slowed down like like I think his date to the premiere of this movie was Paz de la Huerta it was either this one or the one

Paz de la Huerta. Really? It was either this one or the one... Paz de la Huerta would have been a teenager. Maybe it was The Departed. Paz de la Huerta went to my high school, graduated before I got there. I know.

And it was either The Departed or this. I remember the... She would have been 19 when this movie came out. So that would have been a major play by Nicholson. I think it was The Departed.

Maybe she was 21, but it was like, everyone at school was like, did you see who Nicholson brought to the fucking red carpet last night? I'm looking at that. I think it was The Departed. Maybe she was 21, but it was like, everyone at school was like, did you see who Nicholson brought to the fucking red carpet last night? I'm looking at that. It was either 06 or 04.

So she was- This is 03. Oh, right. So it was 06 or 03. She's either 19 or she's 22. Yes, 06. Okay. Seeing pictures of his kids at the premiere.

Picture of him with a cigarette in his mouth. Amanda Peet. When's the last time he did like the thing where he sits at the front of the Oscars with the sunglasses? I think it was the last Crystal year.

Is it the last Crystal one? Yeah. No, you know what? It was the last time was He's the one who announces Crash. Right. Winning Best Picture.

But then 2006 I think 2006 was a Crystal. I remember the year where he also came out and his head was totally shaved and everyone was freaked out by it. And it turned out it was for The Bucket List. That's the last time I remember him at the Oscars. Which would be around then because Bucket List is 07, I think.

So it was in 06, yeah. I mean, the point is just after he's made this movie that's sort of about the Jack Nicholson type reckoning with the lack of substance to his ripping through ladies lifestyle, he still continues to take 21-year-olds and 22-year-olds as his date to the premiere of movies about the fact that he should have settled down. Yeah, because he didn't take Nancy Meyer seriously. Right.

I know. He should have rewatched it later on. Maybe this movie was an intervention for him. In this movie, he's like 40% of the way to his Departed performance. Yes. There are moments of mania. Yeah. I mean, I to his Departed performance. Like there are moments of mania.

Yeah. I mean, I love his Departed performance. I think it is underrated. When you're staring down the bullet of a gun. Those scenes in the Departed where he's just sitting at that glass table. Yeah. And he like picks up a severed hand that's in a bag for some reason. He's like.

Like those scenes are amazing. But that was another one where people kind of punished him because they were like, I don't know, it's Jack doing Jack. Right. They were just like, yeah. This is just Jack being crazy. Again, didn't get the Oscar nomination. Right. Like, the only modern one he gets the nomination for is about Schmidt because he played so thoroughly against type.

And I remember my dad seeing that and being like, it's weird. He never turns into Jack. Like, I sat there the whole time waiting for the scene where he's going to Jack out. You imagine that like, when he gets to the wedding, he's going to lose it. Right. And he's restrained the whole time. Yeah. The Tony Erdman,

I mean, it's like, that is the one way that movie being remade was exciting. No, I know. I want them to remake Tony Erdman. Yeah.

Is it going to be remade? It seems like he dropped out. It was going to happen with him and Kristen Wiig, right? And Lena Dunham was writing it. With Jenny Conner, but then they dropped out, but now, what's her, Kids Are Alright's supposed to happen with him and Kristen Wiig, right? And Lena Dunham was writing it. With Jenny Conner, but then they dropped out, but now Kids Are Alright's supposed to direct it. Yeah, but I think when she got attached to Cholodenko,

it was noted that Nicholson was no longer attached. So they hired Cholodenko after Nicholson dropping out. So maybe she could lure him back. Because to me, he's kind of the appeal of doing that movie because who else could do that where it would work and it would make murray hill murray right yes but like even who else from that generation or surrounding that like i mean look if orin beatty wants to do it i was gonna say right redford that'd be great if he unretired six months yeah uh but i'm only gonna wear the weird furry monster suit the whole time

or they just make it another kevin hart movie yeah right it's just uh i don't know eddie murphy god i love eddie murphy i'm trying to think of people who are just kind of like adrift right now yeah well they announced he's gonna make a fucking grumpy old men remake and i was like is that one of those things where old people looked older back then i think it is and i looked it up and he's literally 17 years younger oh oh then the younger of the two was then lemon was so it's like no we shouldn't yeah he's not old enough yet he's not i just assume that was the case and i didn't even look it up i was like oh that's weird i we felt like he was so old but jack lemon was actually just 60 yeah it's like when you look up like the golden girls were 36 when they started this show like estelle getty was so old, but Jack Lemmon was actually just 60. Yeah, it's like when you look up, like, the Golden Girls were 36 when they started this show.

Right, like Estelle Getty was so young. Right, Jack Lemmon was born in 1925. Yes. And Eddie Murphy was born in 61. So, right, wait a little longer, Eddie. Right. You're only 57 years old. You're not that old.

And Jack Lemmon was, I believe, like 72 in that first one. Right. And Matt was mid-70s. He's an old man. He's an old man. He's grumpy. He is. And Margaret? Oh, God. Firecracker, first one. And Matthau's mid-70s. He's an old man. He's an old man. He's grumpy. He is. And Margaret?

Oh, God. Firecracker, that one. So what happens if something's got to give? Go on. They're in the house together. Right, he's been hospitalized. They say he's got to stay rested.

He's got to stay planted. He's either stay in the hospital or he can go. Right. But Amanda Peete doesn't want to stay put there. No, she's got auctions to hold. She's so busy at Christie's.

Yeah, right. Christie's Rockefeller Center. Zoe has to reenlist as a massage agent. Yeah, right. Zoe has to be part of like Operation Sworn Vengeance. Right.

So Keaton's like, well, you expect me to be in the house with him? Which does sound like a very broad comedy premise, which is like two people couldn't be more different stuck in a house together. The first five minutes of this, you're like, oh, it's sound like a very broad comedy premise, which is like two people couldn't be more different. The first five minutes of this,

you're like, Oh, it's a broad company. Cause Jon Favreau is there. And the, the, the lady assistant, like one line who has one line,

but a very high bill, Jon Favreau with less than 15 words of dialogue. But he's got that scene where he like is crying almost like, and is happy that he's still alive. But then they're like, anyway, we got to go. So then it is the two of them. Right. like okay culture clash in a house it's just gonna be

them arguing and they only fall in love at the end and she's writing and he wants to smoke cigars and listen to rap music right what else be on the phone and just be on the phone be on the phone these crazy young kids yeah one thing i didn't that cigar scene i mean and i've seen this movie a million times and I had still forgotten. I was like, what is she doing with this glass? And it's like, how did he know that that's what she wanted from him to drop the cigar in the glass? Essentially a fully, like, a barely smoked cigar. Yeah, it's like not this intuitive thing.

Anytime I watch it, and it's like, oh, okay, I guess that makes sense. He could just put it out like a normal person. Also, if you notice, there's a little bit of, I don't know if it's food or just cigar ash on the bed as he's lying there on the phone with whoever. And it's like, I wonder how tough that was for Nancy. Knowing what I know now about how much of a perfectionist she is, it's like, how much ash did she think was okay? How much is too much?

How little is too little? I'll tell you, like, the extreme end point of the perfectionism I've heard is that, like, her movies all go way over schedule,

way over budget, right? Sure. So, like, the intern apparently went, like, two full months over schedule. That's crazy. And they had all these insert shots they had to shoot

with a second unit, and they were like, Nancy, you cannot be on set. Like, we need to just get these done. This has to be a succinct day. And she insisted on sending her assistant over to set with an iPad and she FaceTimed in

to approve every detail on the insert shots. Like, they wouldn't allow her on set and she was like, I'm not going to have insert shots that don't fit into my aesthetic of the world. respect that i love it off nancy yeah i love it um so how do they yeah how do they get to like each other i guess she just sort of realizes he's like a real person they go shopping and they talk about rap music and he never and it's and it's sort of implied that he never has these sorts of conversations he doesn't interact with never he never really has connections with people that

are more than superficial. So it's like, hey, if this kind of womanizer asshole man just gives a woman a chance, he'll change. He'll change. He just has to open up. She seems to have a pretty small, isolated circle. She spends a lot of time writing in the house by herself.

Her biggest creative partner is her ex-husband. Her best friend is her sister, and. Her best friend is her sister. And her other best friend is her daughter. Right. We should say her husband is played by Starsky. Yes. Yes. Right.

Not Hutch. Starsky. Starsky, who also directed Kazam. True. Paul Michael Glazer, who is playing a guy that I'd love to be. Yes. When I'm 55 or whatever. Your collar's up.

Yeah. My collar's up. My sunglasses attached. A little croaky. Around the neck. You know, I look pretty good. I've got a trainer or whatever. Your collar's up. Yeah, my collar's up. My sunglasses attached. A little croaky. Around the neck. You know, I look like pretty good. Like I've got a trainer or something. Like, you know, I'm trying to keep in shape.

But you don't go too many days a week. No, I'm pretty chill about it. Yeah. And yeah, I like try and keep in touch with what the kids listen to. But like, you know, I know I'm an older guy. I don't know. It's just like that specific kind of LA Jewish guy. Yeah.

Who's just like at the bar mitzvahs and stuff and he's got his like Lacoste shirt just a breezy life Jack's dad is cool yeah right right

Jack Simms dad yeah I'm like hey you guys want pizza he's always got pizza so he's he's sort of floating around what is he an agent

he's her director he's the director right right right she writes the plays he directs them she married him because her life is so small the only men she ever loved was the one man who directed the plays so that must be a Charles Shire I mean this feels very Nancy and it's also one of the

reasons that it works is that she doesn't have the movies that are her biggest failures don't have a nancy parallel and so in terms of the directorial efforts like the holiday really doesn't have one no i think that's why the holiday feels untethered suffers the holiday doesn't really happen what women want doesn't have one helen hunt is not nancy myers no she's a fascinating character but she's definitely not a Nancy. Well, except for like the divorce, I guess.

And the intern, I think there's some. The intern, it's like they're both Nancy. They're both, they're Nancy split in two. That's the key, is that like Hathaway's

like the adventures of young Nancy. Yeah, the intern is a triumph. Yeah. I love the intern. That was the quote on the VHS box, right? Yeah, a triumph.

Credited to you. This one is just Nancy. This is her purest Nancy. This is, right. And again, it makes sense for her first like pure Nancy box right a triumph credit to you this one is just nancy this is her purest nancy this is right and again it makes sense for her first like pure nancy written and directed by nancy movie would be like her really wrestling with like nancy it's her it's her using very openly using herself as the parallel and very openly using jack nicholson as jack nicholson yeah yes like we were talking about it earlier but the

the call out to what is his line you are what is the woman line you're a woman to love you're a woman to love it must have been a reference to

you make me want to be a better man which had become one of his like most iconic lines where she sort of swept up in it and then she's like

what does that mean and there's that scene where he goes where does he get all those wonderful toys? And then he calls her Batman while they're fucking. That's a quote back to some of his earlier work, like Five Easy Pieces.

Oh, yeah, right. What I was going to say is, because you guys are asking, like, wait, so how do they start to like each other? The big thing that jumped out to me was, I mean, they aim. Right. They hop on aim.

They hop on aim, right. They have some flirty aiming. There's a little chemistry even in that first bedroom scene though when he yeah that's true and it's just like these two haven't had

these conversations before it's July yeah why turtleneck they don't talk like this to anyone else well the thing that jumped out to me

I was watching the movie with a lot of times I watch movies at home I like to watch them with subtitles yeah sure you know

because you never know what kind of sounds are going to happen sometimes it's also nice to visually see the writing no I understand and a thing that popped out to me was

how many times in this movie they say me too and it popped out to me because me too is now like a phrase with a lot of weight

behind it but I just realized how often in this movie with the two of them together one of them says something and the other one goes huh me too and it's this notion

that like they've never talked to someone else who has the same perspective on certain things even though they seem so different on the surface things like them not sleeping there's so much of them

mirroring each other in surprise in that kind of way and you go like okay Keaton's life is this tiny little bubble the only man she ever loved is the man that she worked with and she still works with the only man she ever loved and the man that she worked with and she still works

with the only man she ever loved and key uh nicholson's the opposite where it's like he's got so many people none of them really matter well right because you see him throw that party later which is another scene where you're like right but uh but you're right where he's sort of adrift he can't relate to these women he's dating and in his work you can't imagine he can relate to the rappers he represents the The idea, though, is that they're both masters of their domain. Right. And so putting them together, right,

they're both a little unmoored because they're like, I'm usually the boss of everything. Who are you to tell me to put my cigar in? When Jack and Diane get together, someone's got to go. But that's also another... He's out.

He's out. Shut up. Taking a hammer to the studio. Another thing that's great about this is that it's like the full story of a romance in a way that she never really gets. So like in Parent Trap, you have a romance that already existed. You have all these romance that are pre-existing romances and like it's complicated in this. And the holiday doesn't count. It ends with them kind of getting together for the first time.

This is a romance from start to finish in a way that she'd never really done before and the fact that the second hour of the movie is them processing the one week yeah that it really is just them movies right ever have that chance it's true it's true because they have one in super intense week right they have like the best sex of their lives right basically i guess i do like sex right uh this scene is also so fucking hot it's like hot just in terms of hot him cutting off the turtleneck is really hot the first time i was watching it i was like this is a lot oh right we're forgetting the nudity we're forgetting that that's the crucial ice because that's when they sort of start bonding as them trying to make jokes about it right and i always

found it kind of offensive that this movie got a PG-13 because the implication always seemed to be like, well, no one would find that sexy. It's shadowy. It's very brief. That's why. You're allowed to do brief non-sexual nudity.

But don't you think there's the element of like... And two fucks. And two fucks. I'm saying she's dancing around that R line. Non-sexual fucks. Yes. She's dancing. But she's also Nansen.

She is Nansen. I just like, I forgot. I mean, of course I remembered the, you know, like the covering their eyes. Which Billy Crystal

parodied at the Oscars. Right, right, right. Showing us more than we ever want to see. Very true. But that is, I forgot that then he's like,

I didn't see anything, just your tits, which I think is a really funny line. It's good. Nancy is a little dirtier than you remember anytime you watch these movies. And it's one of her best qualities. She'll fuck around.

When her characters actually have sex, the way that people talk about sex is really honest. Yeah. And the way that's kind of surprising for these types of films. Right, so then they have the icebreaker joke around the nudity. They go shopping. They start finding more and more of their connections.

And then she kisses him. And they have this amazing sex, which Keanu had told him he could only have sex after he is able to climb the stairs. They take the blood pressure. Right. There's that shot of the blood pressure monitor flying through the air. And in another movie, that would have been 80 minutes in when he finally can climb the stairs. Right, that would have been

40 minutes in. De Newmont. This would be a comedy of manners that ends with them getting together there and happy. Happy ending. But I think

a thing she's really fucking good at is getting what, like, actual exciting intimacy of these situations is the feeling comfortable enough to do things you haven't felt comfortable enough to do around other people more than the sex itself.

The things like the loss of the turtleneck, which is very, very like underlined, highlighted in bold with the scissors and everything. But the blood pressure and all that, they're both like owning who they are. And I think like, you know, Nora Ephron wrote the famous like I hate my neck thing and I think that became the sort of con card for like women of a certain age that becomes a big point of insecurity for them. Like they feel like they see the aging on their neck and their hands and those are two things

they try to hide. And Nancy always wears fucking turtlenecks and it just feels like a very honest thing to be like this is the thing she never would feel comfortable showing even to her sister and her daughter. And then for the rest of the movie, she's wearing V-necks.

Her neck is always on display. There's a transformation. And it's one of those subtle storytelling things where every scene, when you establish her in a new outfit, it has an emotional ping to it because you're like, she's still showing her neck.

And I think that's one of the reasons that this movie was a slow burn for me. Not only because I saw it when I was a teenager and I didn't really care about appreciating it. That was my thing. Why do I care about ritual? Yeah, and I watched it again as an adult and I was like, why did I not give this the time

of day? Because I always wrote it off. And it has aged so much better than It's Complicated. And I don't want to so much better than It's Complicated and I don't want to keep harping on It's Complicated but

specifically because I recently watched both of them it's just like this movie this is everything and and when people

not to offend anyone in the room but it's like when people place It's Complicated over Something's Gotta Give I just want to scream at them

like watch it again like you're you're not really paying attention to Something's Gotta Give or you're give I just want to scream at them like watch it again like you're not really paying attention to something's gotta give or you're misremembering. Alec Baldwin is like one tenth of Nicholson. I mean it's complicated feels like the sketch comedy version of this and has the moments of pathos but

the thing that's surprising is just how fucking deep Diane Keaton goes into this thing. Right. You know and with Nicholson, there was more to lose in him examining his own persona in this way. Because Baldwin at that point, doing it like, it's complicated, had just

become, oh, he used to be hot, now he's fat and he does comedies. Right. It's not sort of like cutting in the same sort of way. And her crying after they have sex, I mean, all that kind of stuff is just like fuck like this feels extreme watching this in a movie feels like watching like a brutal fight scene or something like you don't see things that feel this kind of visceral and messy

so after they bone yes they take a one way to bone town okay uh they part ways basically right he gets to go home you can leave right because he can walk up the stairs well they're gonna sleep in the same bed together and she starts asking about the trip to paris and immediately the monogamous thing comes in and freaks him out and he's like i can't do this she's like right you always send the girls home and i'm home so what do you do and then he comes back in and realizes like he's gonna give it a shot and for the first time ever eight hours of sleep

baby it's nice right because they both only sleep four hours and when they mention and when they mention Paris it's done still sort of platonically

it's like oh we should just go and celebrate our birthdays her favorite restaurant best roast chicken yeah the best roast chicken okay Nancy the best roast chicken

when they go to the fridge and it's like well we have leftover coq au vin and I can make pancakes. And his choice is pancakes. He wants pancakes. And then, yeah, so he goes off

and Amanda Peete has a goddamn meltdown because her dad is marrying someone that's like her age. Yeah. Just, mom, can you please drive three hours into the city in the middle of traffic? I think the Peete character is fine in the first part of this movie. She's a little tougher to take in this chunk,

you know, because it just, she seems like she should be a little more, like, emotionally prepared for this. She should be a little girl, a high schooler. Sure. But she's very quickly supportive of the relationship.

Like, she doesn't act as a roadblock. Yeah, she's into it. Yeah, had she acted as a roadblock, it would have been more frustrating. If she had gone full, it's complicated. I think it would have been tougher to like her. Right. I mean, yes, there's more grace in this to her versus, like, the Lake Bell character,

which obviously has to do with the fact that she's also a daughter in addition to being the romantic rival to some extent. But earlier in this, you forget that Pete calls, says she's met another guy, comes up, tries to break up with Nicholson and realizes that he dumped her first. Right, right, right. Oh yeah, I love that. And they start,

that's when she says to Keaton, like, what about the two of you together? And she makes it clear, like, we never had sex. Right. Right, yeah. That's in the,

is that in the grocery store? Yes. Okay. And Keanu's been hovering all this time. They have their first date before they sleep together. Keanu's hovering because when he meets Erica, he he's like i'm such a fan yeah i've read all your plays i think i've seen them all do you kind of wonder let's just speculate about this universe do you think that um the sgdu that erica would have agreed to start dating this younger doctor had she not met

jack nicholson. No, right? Isn't that sort of the implication here? No way. The turtleneck would have still been on. He opened up her life in more ways than one. Okay, yeah. Well, and he's making such pervasive argument for like, why not have fun?

Right. That I think she, because she's so resistant to Keanu, even when this guy's got everything going for him and is a fan of her work and all of that, because it's just like, I don't want to be the fucking person who dates younger people yeah and she's it's just ridiculous she just thinks it's ridiculous like it would just be ridiculous for her to do that and also there's that thing right at the start where she's like i'm working on my new play and they're like what's it about and she's like oh this like completely uptight annoying divorced woman but she's fun and everyone's like oh is she and she's like well i'm trying to figure that out

right like and then nicholson helps her figure that out yeah I also love I've always wanted to write a play that ends in Paris which is more like do you see what I'm doing is she like

a terrible play right I think so when you see her play it reminds me a lot of Emma Stone's one woman show in La La Land

where she's like got like a mirror and then she's like you know multiple hitting some cymbals multiple dancing Jack Nicholson that's one of my questions

in my notes is question is her play good I think at best because they talk about her she's such the greatest female playwright since fucking I forget what name they dropped I'm trying to even think who she's sort of presenting Neil Simon

because the way that like Keanu talks about you're like oh is she like Wendy Wasser scene and then you see her play and look I'm trying to even think who she's sort of presenting as the equivalent. It's like a Neil Simon thing. Because the way that Keanu talks about it, you're like, oh, is she like Wendy Wasser scene? And then you see her play, and look, this looks really borscht. Right, she's broad. She writes plays for people to go like, oh, like that. Old Jew comedies.

I say with complete kindness, Ben. She is like a female Neil Simon is my best read on the situation. The play thing is another way that I think you get, I hate to be going She is like a female Neil Simon is my best read on the situation. But the play thing is another way that I think you get I hate to be going back to this but like

another window into Nancy that you don't get in her other movies where she's specifically talking about herself and her art. This is a creative person. Yeah and she says

it's when they talk about Paris and how unbelievable it is and she says something like if I don't give it to the audience if I don't give them to the audience, if I don't give them this fantasy, then who will? And it's sort of like, that's really how Nancy sees herself.

And so it sort of, it gives credence, I mean, I don't know, to the, it gives a new level to her, or it gives context to her perfectionism. In that, like, she's not doing it for her. She's doing it because she feels like she has to. Like, she's doing this thing that the public deserves because they're not getting it anywhere else. She's doing it because she feels like she has to.

She's doing this thing that the public deserves because they're not getting it anywhere else. It's the same thing that Grand Budapest Hodel does. It has the Ray Fiennes character explain to the audience why Wes Anderson is so fussy about these things because he's trying to recreate a world that he misses. And she wants to create a fantasy that people can escape to. And part of that's the apartment porn and the outfits

and the gauzyness. I mean, the thing I was going to say that the connection to the National Treasure thing is I was watching one of these video interviews that GQ's been doing

the things where they have the actor like go over all their roles, which those videos are really fucking enjoyable. That's kind of Nasp, essentially.

They have that like studio where they do all this stuff because they've also like the reaching into the box that Vanity Fair has. Right. And where you look up Google terms, all those things. But this one just specifically breaks down their most iconic roles. And the Nicolas Cage one is incredible.

If you're a fan like me, he's really sort of sober and wise about the history of his work and saying what he likes and what he was trying to do and all of this. But he talks about the National Treasure movies, and he says, none of us thought that was going to be a hit. It looked really embarrassing. The thing that, the moment where I thought it might work was Jon Voight came up to me on set, and he says, this Turtletop guy is good.

And he was like, yeah, I mean, he's like, you know. And Jon Voight said to him, no, the thing you don't understand is he's making a souffle. It seems really light and airyy but if he gets one element wrong the whole thing's going to deflate right and movies like that that people are like yeah it's like dumb fun right it's really hard to be dumb fun versus this movie sucks and it's boring and i don't want to watch it or the logic makes so little sense that i check out and i feel like nancy is like a souffle filmmaker where there's like a lot of care and artistry into trying to

make this thing that's like feather light where it's like rich people like having blown up drama around tiny problems in lives that feel perfect feel enjoyable without becoming like irritating or meandering you know yeah especially because her films do have these like 17 act structures um that is sort of like the artistry of what she does and it makes sense that she's that obsessed about like i mean we found it in the it's complicated episode that she made like steve martin do like 10 makeup tests it's like that's what they do with like killer croc and suicide squad and she was like no the foundation isn't right and it's like it's steve martin he looks the same in every movie but she just has this notion of the world that she wants to create.

And the weird thing with this movie is it's like, Diane Keaton is trying to make a Nancy Meyers movie out of her life. But she's trying to make like the Nancy Meyers, Charles Shire movie. Yeah. And what she's living is a lot messier. It's complicated. And this is Nancy like separating herself from the Shire filmography and being like, I'm going to go deeper.

Like it's still going to have this veneer and this sheen and this intoxicating world and the movie stars and all of that. But I'm going to do the scenes that everyone else cuts out

and I'm going to have it take place at different points. And I'm going to show an hour of them thinking about that week. I love that half the movie is an hour of them thinking about the week.

Pretty much. That's the thing that really sells me on this hour of them thinking about the week. Pretty much. That's the thing that really sells me on this movie. So it makes it special. Move us along. No movies like this. Yeah. She goes to New York

to see Cadiz Strickland. Right. Whatever. That's irrelevant. That's just a device for her to see Nicholson on a date in the restaurant.

Because at this point, yeah, Nicholson went back and he was like, look, I gotta go on with my life. And we knew there was no hope between her and the divorce and the ex-husband. I gotta go on with my life. And we knew there was no hope between her and the divorce

and the ex-husband. That was never a possibility. That doesn't seem like an open door. But because she's in this restaurant meeting the husband's new beau, she sees Nicholson with a short-haired woman, a Marley Shelton type,

and is mortified. She falls apart. I think she doesn't realize how emotionally attached she was until she sees him in this situation. Right. And so she sort of drags him out of there and yells at him on the street for 10 minutes. Like a full 10 minutes. Right. There's like 14 different

lines in that scene. Yes. Like Nancy's sort of haymakers. Ding dong, ding dong, ding dong ding dong ding dong ding dong ding dong that bell's ringing a lot okay okay get the bell I mean get the door

God his hands are in his pockets how is he ringing the door bell oh no I know who this is he's back oh you know do you old Jackie himself never rub another man's rhubarb. Oh, boy.

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yes and the whole time she just gets in it classic movie and then he thinks he's having another heart attack this is when rachel takotin comes in yeah dr rachel takotin absolutely just just takes the movie just suplexes it it's just incredible yeah she gets just runs with this movie her scene is really good yeah uh when she says uh well while i found your diagnosis interesting right she essentially is like will you fucking calm down like you're so stressed out with the hip and the hop why are you going on dates you had a heart attack you maniac oh yeah that's also the scene where she says like it was a week ago and you realize it was a week it was a week ago right and he's already

dressed up like he like some mobster you know getting his pasta primavera and like she's like why aren't you in a like a sofa watching movies he looks like a dick tracy go turn on dcm you weirdo meanwhile diane keaton's like i took off my turtlenecks for this and then now she can't stop writing. And can't stop crying. And then we have the crying montage. The crying montage is so funny. It's so good. It shouldn't work.

It shouldn't work. It goes on so long. And that's the reason it works. It's just so long. It's like the peeing gag in Austin Powers. It's so funny. And she really does like, she does so many different types of cries.

It really is like it's a real showcase it's great if you have to read in this movie that this has all been in nicholson's head after he has a heart attack and like it seems like he's spiritually healed but then he like goes off and then like it hasn't worked and then the angel is so upset that there's this like cosmic crack right like she goes back to her weird little like way station but all she can do is cry. Right.

Like Clarabelle can't get its wings. And then yeah she writes a play about what a jerky is. And Keanu thinks it's the best thing she's written.

Because Because he wants to sleep with her. Franny McDormand sees him picking out an apple at the old fruit stand and brings him over.

Uh huh. Gives it a second shot i forgot about that right he brings the flowers this is so fucking charming when he says he's when she brings him to give to me when i forgive you and i'm like just fuck me keanu fuck me enter come into my home take me any way you want outrageous you own my body the only thing that you would be worried about is like you seem like you might be a spy or something. You're too perfect. Like, if I sleep with you, do you like somehow,

like, is this compromise? Is this his character from The Watcher? Is this some sort of like bait and switch? Oh, boy. But so charming. Now he's reading the play. He's loving it. They're kind of hitting it off.

I like the butts. You got this scene with butts. Bobby, do you have a thought? No, I'm processing something. I'm trying to think of something. But no, no, keep going. Something's bubbling away. Something's bubbling.

But then it's like, oh, we don't need to talk about this. The last scene before the six months later is their big fight on the stage with the butts. With the butts. Where she's like, I'm trying to decide whether or not

to kill your character. Yes. And he's like, well, fuck you. Maybe not to kill your character yes and he's like well fuck you he literally just walks past the theater and sees the posters and everything because then he just walks in he does that and I watch this with

Joey Sims and he works in theater and I was like you can't just do, you can't just like do that, right? You can't just like walk up to a show after an hour, like, and just open the door. He was like,

no, otherwise that's how everyone would see Hamilton stuff. Right. Just go, just wait five minutes. Don't buy a ticket. Stand in the back. Yeah.

It's literally the major conflict of Spider-Man two, right? Of course you can't enter a Broadway show after it started. Spider-Man two comes a year after. So it's a corrective. Right. That's true. That's true. And you know what? Maybe you can walk into a Broadway show after it started. But Spider-Man 2 comes a year after, so it's a corrective. That's true. That's true. And you know what?

Maybe you can walk into a play. Musicals, no. Do you think Sam Raimi walked into Alvin Sargent's office and was like, we gotta throw out everything we have so far. I just got out of Something's Gotta Give and we need to offer a corrective. Oh, boy.

Right? So then how does he end up in the theater the first time? He just goes to see her. He hears about the play. I don't know. oh boy um right he owes it to her and then six months later the first time he just goes to see her he hears about the play I don't know yeah

what is this yeah what does what does like it doesn't matter I don't even remember her asking Keanu out on a date that she then stands him up on

like when you cut to Keanu in the restaurant oh right I don't know did they make plans I don't think that's ever established I think it's just you're only supposed to know it because he's sitting

alone. You never see the date get scheduled. And then he orders a martini and then she gets a martini. She has that line at the dinner where she goes you forget how quickly these just slip down. Which is a weird thing to say. Yeah. So now

he sees the play. It's about me. No, it's someone like you. And then it's like literally everything's being recreated, restaged around him. And no one knows that it's him. Because when he goes and visits Amanda Peet and the new boyfriend. That's six months late. That's six months later.

We might as well. We get a six months later cut. It's snowing. Yeah. Jack Nicholson has a beard. He has one of the. To show that time has passed. The biggest beard I've ever seen.

And also. It literally looks like a stage beard. I will say, it's like bad glue. I think it's one of the best fake beards I've ever seen. You like this beard? I'll tell you why. Because fake beards are so bad that they always look bad, and this one at least has a little bit of character to it.

This beard sucks. Fake beards are so bad. They never look good on anyone. They never pass. But what about the good beards that we don't know about? Like, that we just assume are real. Like, do they exist? I challenge you to find one. I don't know.

He's got a ridiculous beard. Yes. Amanda Peete has, you know, has been in a loving relationship for years somehow. This is the clearest argument for my theory. Because Amanda Peete seems to have lived a life in these six months argument for my theory. Right. Because Amanda Peet seems to have lived a life. Or my theory that she's the doctor because she in the six months in between has met a man, married him and is now three months pregnant. I think the only reason for this is because Nancy had a final line in mind and she needed to work her way into that final line, which is like four and a half or whatever it is.

Like she wanted to end with the baby. it is. She wanted it in with the baby and the only way she could end with the baby is to have Amanda Peete suddenly meet a guy and explain it away by saying, I live in Manhattan. I meet a million people a day. She called up Amy Pascal and she was like, I got a three point joke from midcourt.

If you green light it, I'll figure out the rest of the movie. It's Nicholson, Keaton, Peete, a baby and a man and they go four and a half and she's like, yeah, done. A hundred million dollars. Come back when you got a script. and a man. And they go four and a half. And she's like, yeah, done. $100 million. Come back when you got a script. Ridiculous.

And she wrote it in a weekend. She wrote it in a weekend. She wrote it in a weekend. Crying the whole time. Crying the whole time. Right. Looking out at the sound. One hand was typing. The other hand was cutting up turtlenecks with gold scissors.

Yeah. So he first surprises. I guess he sees the play from the back. Like sneaks in. He kind of like smiles. Smiles. He's like, I sure fucked her. He's embarrassing.

He's embarrassed, but he gets it. Yeah. Then he goes to see Pete and Pete's like, oh, me? Who, me? Like, here's my husband. Like, and here's my bump. Yeah. And then.

And he's the most domestic man in the history of cinema. Right, exactly. Like, I just literally pulled at the wallpaper and this guy came out of it. Yeah. And then. My name is Mr. Stable Good Person. Yeah, but which is Nancy saying, Hallie, this is the sort of man I want you to end up with. Hallie is a nice doctor.

You can go on a date with Nicholson. Yeah. You got to marry this librarian. Or something. a date with Nicholson. You gotta marry this librarian. Or something, right? And then he makes the very sound decision to fly to Paris and

go to this restaurant that she said she liked one time. Was that shot in Paris, do we think? No. The shot when he steps out and the Eiffel Tower is behind him is one of the ones that looks like Ratatouille. The music also sounds like Ratatouille. It looks as good as Ratatouille. Hans Zimmer again.

Nancy's reliable composer. Sweeping score. This is the movie, speaking of the score, this is where her delicate Spanish guitar comes in for the first time. This is where it begins. Everything about all of those specific aesthetics begins here. It's like the music in the waiting room of your massage parlor.

That's the score of her film. She hands those CDs. She goes to the music in the waiting room of your massage parlor. It's like that's the score of her film. She hands those CDs. She goes to the receptionist and goes, can you give me the name of the track? Sends it to Hans Zimmer and says, replicate this for 90 minutes. Also, I'm sorry to go back on this, but I'm thinking about what you said again about the perfectionist

stuff. And there was an interview I read with her. I think it was the one that was in New York Magazine and someone asked her about, it was you know the intern the famed intern promo cycle and someone asked her about you know like her aesthetic and her aesthetic and her houses and the houses and the houses and she is a little annoyed by the question and this happened a few times during that promo cycle and she was like i don't know why people are asking me this suddenly she's like i like interior design i like houses i keep a pinterest board and she's just like sure that's not it just seems so obvious to her it's like why wouldn't i have a beautiful house like why wouldn't i make the most of this and make

everything look good the other thing i remember her saying in that press tour just came back it's a little absurd for her to do that it's a little absurd a whole movie about a kitchen she gets she gets she gets over it by the end of that like by the end of that cycle she's used to it right yes but i think again it was suddenly people cared about her and people were asking and we're She gets over it by the end of that. By the end of that cycle, she's used to it. Yes. But I think, again, it was suddenly people cared about her. And people were asking other things. And were analyzing her work. They whispered about it, but they never approached her about it. Right.

They were putting all the films together as a body. The other thing I remember her saying in that press cycle was, someone once again said, why are you so meticulous about all these details and she said I think which sweater a character wears can say as much if you choose it correctly as any other element of a film

and people think I get caught up in these superficial details but they do inform character and it's like that's those are the colors on her palette like that's how she knows how to characterize you know she's like I'm a director and how to characterize, you know, and like fill these words. She's like, I'm a director.

Right. Yeah. And I'll say like, you know, Romley, you know, doing these kitchen corners, like for someone like my sister who understands kitchen layout and the actual like. The appliances. The appliances in there. Like, they all check out in terms of like, yeah, that is the exact kitchen that person would have. Like, oh, this kitchen makes no sense in terms of like, yeah, that is the exact person.

Oh, this kitchen makes no sense in terms of like where everything is. Like, yeah, this is totally the houses, all that stuff. Right. It's just like, you do get a sense of a world entering her movies that is fully realized.

Um, and they're all unique. They really are all unique. Yeah. So he's in Paris and he shows up at the restaurant and she's just so like loose

and happy now you know what I mean she's so chill she's so and I do love that she's so chill even though Keanu is secretly like

in another room like in the bathroom or something polishing his engagement yeah yeah Keanu is playing a very strange person

in this movie because when he comes back yeah he's like rather than be like anyway nice to see you Yeah, Keanu is playing a very strange person in this movie because when he comes back, he's like, rather than be like, anyway, nice to see you, he stays with him and then takes out the engagement ring. I know he doesn't open it, but he takes out the box.

So if your read is that Nicholson is dead and Keaton is an angel, my read is that Keanu is an alien in this film. Because he's like a star man. I like having sex with you nicholson has like because keanu is also an angel obviously right and nicholson has like broken something and now the angels are like getting together like rather than just helping the dead like through their maybe keanu never has never left the hamptons you know like he went to like hamptons medical school like just the Hamptons. You know, like Keanu went to like Hamptons Medical School. Like just like Hamptons everything. It really does feel that way. He was born in Sag Harbor.

Right. Yeah. Maybe he took a few trips into the city to see one of her plays. That's it. His favorite NBA team is the Hamptons Seashells. That's my joke for the episode. Thank you very much. He's a strange guy.

But you look past it because it's like, I see what you're doing here, Nancy. I see what you're doing with the younger guy, so I'm just going to choose to ignore everything that is completely bizarre

and unbelievable about this person. Yes, yes. I agree with that. He starts the big monologue on making amends with all the women in his life after Keanu comes back

to the table, right? Mm-hmm. Which you cut back to... A lot of calls. Right. So what have you been doing for the last six months? He sold everything. He gave it all up.

He ditched Favreau and his townhouse rap parties for Aruba? Where is he going? Somewhere in the Bahamas? Yeah. I don't remember. One of those.

And he said he was there for five minutes and realized it was Ron. Which I love. I love that cut to him. Where did they film that? See, the thing is that shot looks like it was filmed. It was certainly on a beach.

I mean, yeah, but I love, yeah, that cut to him where he's like, I'm not going to do this. He throws his like, you know, goes back home, opens the drawer,

finds all his little black books and starts going back to like every woman he ever right this is the thing slept with this feels like right he's come out of heaven yeah he's back he's got a second chance in real life yeah because that's the other read is that this is real diane keaton i guess i don't fucking know it doesn't matter okay anyway but right because like right he does have this weird aa kind of like he's got me to apologize for being such a creep. Yes. And there's that. You don't see anyone tell him that he's a creep. You just see a

montage of someone silently telling him what a jerk he is while he like nods. And that's the thing. It's not even that he goes to apologize for being a creep. He goes to find out how they think of him and then realizes how destructive he's been to all these people. It's like he doesn't have the self-awareness

yet. He just knows he needs to have the self-awareness yet. He just knows he needs to do it to clear the decks in his mind and then starts taking account of how much damage he's caused to generations of women who then, in a very Nancy Meyers touch, it's like I actually somehow was able to give them closure. At the end of the day, this was productive.

It wasn't just a self-servicing thing for me to do to make myself feel better. I helped them come to terms with these relationships. I do like that you see 22-year-old women and you see women who are 50. They pointedly put in a couple women with gray hair. He's had a while.

That was an early one where they were maybe only five years apart in age. And now he realizes that he yeah he loves erica and then what three months three months go by well well first thing you know she got she's got to let down keanu down easy which again nancy doesn't show nancy doesn't show the tough stuff that's why i think he gives that whole speech before keanu comes back because then he kind of says i love you and then keanu shows up and he's like what the fuck's going on he also just gets it where we sort of are supposed up and he's like what the fuck's going on Keanu also just gets it where we sort of

are supposed to right he just sort of sees what's going on and he gets it well no because first he takes out the ring he does take out the box but then he's looking at them

and he's sort of got this dawning right yeah right and then Nicholson leaves and Diane comes after chases him on the bridge right

on the fake bridge yeah and then we cut to right I don't know four and a half months later I don't fucking know four and a half months later. I don't fucking know. Four and a half months later and it's the funniest joke of all time. Do you think it's the funniest joke of all time?

Yeah, I think it's the number one funniest joke of all time. What about I would have done it in July? It's number two. Oh, no, J.D.'s envelope bit is number one. Then four and a half months later, then I would have done it in July. Yeah, do we need that scene? No.

I'm happy with them. Like the dinner scene? Yeah, I'm happy with them in Paris kissing. Yeah. I don't think we need it. I think Nancy needs it. Nancy needs it. I think Nancy has to end up...

She likes a happy family. You have to end up a big family. You have to end up on a family that has accepted this person. And there is something almost jarring about seeing Nicholson in that scene. Very weird. Where you're like, oh, I guess he just... Right. He just hangs out with these guys. A completely different style of suit.

Bought a brand new wardrobe. It feels like Roger Rabbit. It's like people in cartoons interacting. Like him holding a baby and being paternal towards it feels very odd within his star persona. Yeah, but I think of Nancy Meyers, you need the family approval for something.

Had the family not approved of, had Amanda Peet's character not approved of this relationship, it never would have happened. As horny as she could have been for Jack Nicholson, it never would have happened. And so, I think that's just like a Nancy requirement. Yeah, I agree. This movie

had a very weird box office performance because this was a crazy multiplier. It was a Christmas movie, so that's part of the of the reason i think um but it did open to 16 million and finished at 124 which is very good obviously a very very good multiplier uh december 12 2003 something had to give i think it opened number one 16 number one. Mm-hmm. $16 million. $16 million. Low one. A lot of times the weekend right before Christmas

isn't that big because they're holding all the huge releases for the 25th. Well, Lord of the Rings Return of the King comes out the next week. Yeah. Okay. Right. But somebody's got to give makes 11 that week.

You know, barely. It just kept, yeah. Okay. So number one, someone's got to give. Number two is in a period epic that I think was trying

to be an Oscar player it wasn't really got some nominations but it's like a big period action epic with like a huge star is that Troy not Troy

great guess I think that was the following summer yeah but is it that kind of not that old like not that far back sure not too many movies Not Troy. Great guess. I think that was the summer. Yeah. Yeah. But is it that kind of? Yeah. Not that old. Like not that far back.

Sure. Not too many movies are set in. Oh, was it the picture Cold Mountain? No. Fuck. That did come out the next weekend? It comes out like Christmas Day. Right.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. But is that closer? Sure. It's a period action epic with a big star.

I saw it in theaters it's bad interesting I love the actor but it's bad it's not one of his better performances probably one of his

worst performances really 2003 does he have to do an accent no no he's out of place

he's a fish out of water within the premise of the film yeah I was going to say Kingdom of Heaven but that's not right when did that come out

oh oh oh when does that come out I know what movie it is it's Tom Cruise and The Last Samurai The Last Samurai oh my god yeah

Tom Cruise Ed Zwick Ken Watanabe a movie that had also Timothy Spall underperformed opening weekend Yeah it made 111 It was not a huge hit

It cost more than it made domestically But it did really well overseas It was a hit Sake What's number three What's number three Give me number three Big broad comedy high concept two big stars how high pretty high

no that's my guess how high no it's not how high there's like one concept there's one concept it's like the concept is like what if two people were this and then like that's the movies just sort of like that's what we had for you that was our idea people were oh i know what it is it is stuck on you stuck on you what if they were stuck what it's a damon and greg kinnear and meryl streep and share yep and like isn't the premise of the movie just like what if people were like conjoined twins yes yeah and you're like they fall in love right something to do with the romance. It's like, what happens if they fall in love with the same person

maybe? I feel like all those Farrelly Brothers movies though, with just them walking in, they'd be like, get this. Us, the Farrelly Brothers. Masters of the gross-out comedy. Conjoined twins? It's called Stuck On You. Do you know what their premise was? Because they announced this right after something about Mary

and it was like, oh my god, what taboo aren't they afraid to make? But Shallow Howe is in between those two. But they wanted to make this first. They couldn't make it forever and their premise was get two radically different actors and stick them together. And so their pitch was it's Woody Allen and Leonardo DiCaprio and their conjoined twins. That's a terrible pitch. And then it

kept on being like, oh maybe it's going to be Steve Martin and James Van Der Beek or whatever it was. And then it ended up being Kinnear and Damon who are kind of to be Steve Martin and James Van Der Beek or whatever it was. And then it ended up being Kinnear and Damon who are kind of similar. Steve Martin and James Van Der Beek. Yeah, it's weird because they're almost close enough in age where you're like, I guess I could see it. They're not drastic enough. Both kind of like dad handsome.

Yeah. Floppy haircuts. Do you know who loves that movie? Who? Academy Award nominee Jesse Eisenberg. Great. It's like always vouching for Stuck on you anyway number four is another new entry this week so they opened three comedies in the same week really dumb this is like a teen comedy starring two musicians or what is love don't cost a thing yeah exactly isn't it canada musician first he did he rapper, right? He did a little bit of everything. Christina Milian.

Yeah. That was Kenan's return to the big screen and it was right when he had gotten back on SNL. Kenan had sort of disappeared for a couple years.

Cal Penn wasn't that well. Steve Harvey. Steve Harvey has a big scene where he tells Nick Cannon how to fuck on a water run. Oh boy. Yeah, there's a Nemo joke in there somewhere.

Number five is also a comedy. Oh, he goes flopping around on the land like nemo actually you know what almost every movie in this top 10 is a comedy number certainly yeah not less um okay it's also a big disney uh like big budget comedy with a big star that sucks it's that oh three disney but do i like it maybe you probably i probably do is it like is it like an effects driven yes it's based on a ride oh no i don't like it yeah correct okay the haunted mansion yeah i mean you don't like it i don't know but you know i could i've never seen it no there's there's a version of me that's pretty close to this version

who has some dumb argument for why it's actually secretly subversive. Can I tell the really embarrassing thing about Haunted Mansion? It better be quick. It is. I went to see that movie opening day with my friend out of school.

Instead of Something's Got a Gift? Well, I guess it wasn't out yet. Yes, right, yeah. This has been in theaters three weeks. And I got a phone call and it was my parents calling because it was my dad's birthday

and I had forgotten to show up to dinner. So I only ever saw half of that movie before I had to run out. Oh no. But when I have to remember my dad's birthday

I look up what day the Haunted Mansion came out. Because I know like when it vaguely is but I'm always like what's the exact date? November 26th. And now you're never going to learn it because your brain knows that you'll always just look up Haunted Mansion came out because I know like when it vaguely is but I'm always like what's the exact date and now you're never

going to learn it because your brain knows that you'll always just look up Haunted Mansion I'm like I know it's 25, 26 or 27 what was the day that Haunted Mansion

came out that's my father's so some other movies in the top 10 are Elf, Bad Santa and The Cat in the Hat but there's also a movie that I think

Bobby and I both have a little bit of affection for which is about a woman who teaches hip hop down at the center it's a masterpiece a movie that you have affection for I told you I trekked about a woman who teaches hip hop down at the center. It's a masterpiece. A movie that you have affection for?

Yeah. I told you I trekked through a snowstorm to go see that movie opening night. I fucking love that movie. You sound like some dad from like the 30s.

We used to have to walk 30 miles to see Honey in theaters. I love Honey. Don't fucking come out here saying I don't like Honey. I think Bobby and I just tweeted at each other

about it. We tweeted at it. I didn't know you liked Honey. No, I'm not a big Honey person. Why did I say that liked honey no i i i'm not i'm not a big honey person why did i say because i remember i said like i'm not a big honey person and then you responded with i think a quote from honey that went over my head because again i'm not a honey person what does she do she teaches hip-hop down at the center the center it's like the line from the trailer it's so weird center um i center. The center. I owned a bootleg DVD of Honey because I couldn't wait

for it to come out legally and there was a 10 minute section where it just turned to black and white. And my joke with my friends was always that like the guy got a little like creative

in the mix and he was like, I think this seemed to work better with like a starker contrast between the colors. Yeah. Did it work?

Like how did it work? It played. It was like the big dance sequence in the middle was black and white. Yeah. It was like a Kill Bill thing. From the director of Glitter. I think he went on to make Glitter.

Who? No. Glitter's just before. Glitter's before. Yeah. Glitter was like the 9-11 movie, right? Didn't Glitter come out like 9-10? No.

9-14? Didn't Vondie Curtis Hall direct Glitter? Yeah, you're right. Vondie Curtis Hall made Glitter. Why do I think Billy Woodruff made Glitter? Billy Woodruff did Beauty Shop your favorite movie which comes out after this Billy Woodruff

also did all the direct to video Honey sequels of which there are four he also did like 14 million music videos of the 90s

he was like just like a key music yeah you're right Vondie Curtis Hall made glitter I take it back September 21st

2001 you're right he made Honey 2 he made Honey 3 Dare to Dance and he made Honey 4 Rise Up and Dance which is sort of a little too similar a title but whatever uh yeah okay rise up and dance rise up and dance that that is a crazy uh crazy top 10 though i know weird couple christmas

and then lord of the rings comes maybe those people were just afraid of lord of the rings like they were keeping the action movies away except for The Last Samurai. That's sort of what I remember. But then there was like like the Peter Pan Trooper by the Dozen. There were like a lot of big Christmas Day releases.

Yeah. Trooper by the Dozen did really well didn't it? Really fucking well. Oh yeah. Because this was like this weird second wave of Steve Martin

that and bringing down the house. Which is the next year, right? Yeah. Was that 2004? No, that was the year before. That's 2002. Oh, okay. Okay.

Wow, that was 2002. Oh, my God. Yeah. Come on, Bob. You had me straight tripping. No, it's 2003. It's the same year. Jeez, yeah.

That was a huge year for him. Because suddenly it was like, wait, is 68-year-old Steve Martin one of the 10 hottest movie stars in Hollywood? And he was. He was. And I loved him, and I was like, I guess I'm happy he's back.

I didn't like the movie. I'm thinking I'm back. He says that when he does Super Bowl. And she probably does it. Yeah. She goes, we're not going to have any more kids, right? And he goes, yeah, I'm thinking I'm back.

Yeah. All right, Bobby, you got to go. I mean, yeah. Are you doing okay? I'm doing okay. We don't have to rush. No, yeah, we got to go. Ben's reminding you that you have to go. Oh, I've got to go. I've got to go. I mean, yeah. Are you doing okay? I'm doing okay. We don't have to rush. No, yeah. Ben's reminding you that you have to go.

Oh, I've gotta go. I've gotta go. Bobby's gotta go. I mean, it's such a good movie. I gotta be in the Hamptons in about 30 minutes, so I'm gonna hop in the car now and see where it takes me. This movie makes me very happy.

I laugh uproariously throughout it. Really? There are so many scenes where I'm just like, I can't believe it. I love it so much. I wanna make a gif of you watching Something's Gotta Give on your laptop laughing the same way that she's crying. Yes, that's what I'm just like, I can't believe it. I love it so much. I want to make a gif of you watching Something's Gotta Give on your laptop

laughing the same way that she's crying. Yes, that's what I like. And I also love this one. I love that it's the two of them together. Jack and Diane. For so much of it.

Yeah. Because her other movies, and again, it's complicated. Meryl and Alec are not together much in that movie. No. And especially not alone together.

And this movie is Jack and Diane alone together for a lot of movie. In a house on the beach with the stones. And it's just great. With the stones. The stones. A silly device, but I'll take it. Ben, did you watch this movie? No. We're recording a lot this week. Just wondering.

We're recording a lot this week. No, it's fine. You don't have to watch all the movies. Yeah, I can't do it. Ben's back, baby. He's doing his own movie right now. Yeah, I'm making my own movie. Yeah, he sure is. Do you approve of Lucas Hedges playing you in the upcoming film Ben is Back? No, I want the laundry guy.

Oh, Caleb Laundry Bag. Yes, please. Ben is Back sort of turns into a heist movie by the end of it, right? Does it? Well like they have to go get a dog back for a lot of the final I have not seen Ben is back yet

that sounds insane I'm gonna see it soon I think for some reason I have no interest in Ben is back except for Julia

I was gonna make I was gonna say I think you're thinking of Ben is jumping back flash Bobby thank you so much for being here in the episode on the worst joke I was going to say, I think you're thinking of Ben as jumping backflash. Bobby, thank you so much for making that. I sat down in the episode on the worst joke ever made.

It just feels weird. I'm listening to, I'm just like going over this episode in my head and like, was, I just love this movie so much that I feel like maybe I wasn't, I feel like I wasn't funny. No, Bobby. But you know what I'm saying? Like, but,

and that's okay. Not being funny. Cause I, I, I'm no comedian, but I'm just sort of reevaluating. It's been a long time since I've had like a serious discussion about Nancy Myers.

And it's like, it's, it's, I, I, I take it so seriously. It's like such a, a larger part of myself.

Every time I like, like actually start thinking about it, I'm like, Oh, this is, this is much more special to me than I thought even yesterday or like the larger part of myself every time I like actually start thinking about it. I'm like, oh, this is much more special to me than I thought even yesterday or like the day before that. And it's nice to know. Yeah.

And it's nice to know that other people agree. Everyone loves her. That's a beautiful way to end it. I know. And you know, the last episode you were on too was Cloud Atlas,

which you also like unabashedly love. I do really love Cloud Atlas. I mean, nothing like this. No, I know. But if you want to have probably want to come back for some movie you want to dump all over. That's fine. Just let me just like

peek in during Home Again and just like smile and shut the door. That movie is insane. I have not seen it. You haven't seen it? You think it's ghost directed? I think she was there. Knowing the iPad story, she was either

on an iPad or actually there. She is a very hands-on director and she did a lot of press for that movie and made it clear how much she was there. And that movie has,

I'm excited to see what you think, hear what you think about the lighting in that movie. Interesting. That is another movie I read the script for

because I auditioned for every young role in that movie. There's a lot of them. Yeah. A lot of boys. Yeah. One of the boys.

Home Again, it's about what if boys were good? It is interesting. What if boys, what if having three, three young men you've never met before

live in your house and not be worried at all? What if they were good? What if they were good? What if they were good? What if they were good? Yeah. It is interesting

that I keep on auditioning so many times for Myers movies because it just has become so clear I do not fit into that universe at all. All parties are like, yeah, this wouldn't match, right? Does he fit into the universe, David? Now that you're the

expert on the dream universe, he doesn't fit in it? He could get in there. He could sneak in there. What's it, Nat Wolf? Who's the one in... Nat Wolf. Or Renitsky, of course? Who's the one in? Nat Wolf. John Rynitsky. Or Rynitsky, of course. And then. Isn't there another wolf?

Well, there's Alex Wolf. There's Alex Wolf. Who's Dark Wolf? Because he's a. He's a hereditary one. Hereditary in Patriot's Day. So good in both of those. Yeah. He is.

Yeah. I'm going to remake the Wolfman with Nat Wolf. But it's like Nat Wolf turns into Alex Wolf. Right. That's the bit. Yeah. That's fun. And it's the Wolfman with two Fs.

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