Blank Check with Griffin & David - Sunshine

Episode Date: March 19, 2023

The time has come for us to board the Icarus II (awful name for a spaceship) and stare directly into the sun. First mentioned as a movie that rules way back when we were only a podcast about the Star Wars Prequels, Griffin and David finally get to cover Danny Boyle’s 2007 Science Fiction flop SUNSHINE. We’re getting into everything - the iconic score, the brilliantly restrictive use of colors, the hot scientist named Brian Cox (not Logan Roy) who served as a model for Cillian Murphy’s character, and the film’s very controversial third act. Staring into the sun? Bad idea. Taking the time to re-appraise this forgotten gem? A GREAT ONE. Join our Patreon at patreon.com/blankcheck Follow us @blankcheckpod on Twitter and Instagram! Buy some real nerdy merch at shopblankcheckpod.myshopify.com or at teepublic.com/stores/blank-check

At the end of time, a moment will come when just one man remains. Then the moment will pass. Man will be gone. There will be nothing to show that we were ever here but podcasts. Why is he doing, as far as I can tell, a South African accent? I don't know. Because I'm pretty sure that's the accent he's selected.

I think so, too. I had forgotten the accent. Yeah. Because this was, when I saw this movie, Mark Strong was not a guy on my radar yet. No? He wasn't on your old radar? No. And the times I rewatched it, I was like, oh, Mark Strong, that guy is starting to pop

up. I, we'll talk about all of this. I don't think I'd seen this movie in a decade. What? It has been 15 years since this movie came out, right? It's fucked up. I probably watched it five or six times within those first five years,

and then just hadn't seen it in a decade. Yeah. And obviously, Mark Strong became, like, omnipresent for a couple of years He became a real rent-a-villain. Yes. Not, I don't say that negatively, the man does good work,

he's a good actor, but he played a lot of villains very quickly. Yeah. A hard man. Yes. as the brits would say right so i don't think i had a sense hardman hard man uh you and odd men you know hard man you and hard man hard man studios you know it's like you know a guy where you're like i probably shouldn't like fuck with this guy at the bar you know what i mean like you just sort of see someone you're like if i like you know cut in front of this guy like he would have no compunction about just like curb it's not like this is always the but it's funny when you watch interviews with real mark strong he is like such a lovely quiet soft-spoken

man unsurprisingly look lovely actor man like thoughtful right also when like it's not like he looks intense and then has this lovely energy about him you know where it's like some of these guys you're like surprisingly he's very low-key when you watch interviews with him talking you're like how could you ever cast this guy as a villain and it does feel like there's some switch he flips right and then becomes an odd man what were you gonna say then you look like you were burning to make a point uh the brits really own headbutts oh and i know that's a move that like Brits own. And Mark John has a head that looks designed for headbutt. He's got a bullet-shaped head.

A Glasgow kiss, have you ever heard that expression? No. That's a headbutt. Usually to the nose. Yeah, to try and get you to bleed. Classic football hooligan sort of thing. And do you know what a Glasgow French kiss is? No.

A head butt to the nose and then they lick you. This is Blank Check with Griffin and David. I'm Griffin. It's a podcast about filmographies. Directors who experience massive success early on in their careers and are given a series of blank checks

to make whatever crazy passion projects they want, and sometimes those checks clear, and sometimes they bounce right into the sun, baby. See, I thought you were going to say spit into their mouth instead of lick. Oh, oh. French kiss, I think, more the tongue than the spit yeah the spit's already

happening in any version of the kiss unless you're doing fucking airhead airhead warheads sure pucker sour face look i'll talk about this in a second but i'll get into this don't worry whole sidebar coming um it's a mini series on the films of danny boy right it's called train spot casting trains podcasting and today we are talking about one of our great promised outstanding dream board episodes from the very beginning of this show someone was trying to pin the first time we said we should do a sunshine episode. Probably really early. It was, I believe, episode one of Attack of the Podcast. Okay, so like episode 11 or whatever. When we were in the Star Wars days,

the original version of the show where we just talked about the Star Wars prequels, the first episode of each miniseries would just be the opening five minutes of the movie. And the opening five minutes of Attack of the Clones is Rose Byrne dying. Oh, yeah. She's one of the fake Pad the opening five minutes of attack the clones is rose burn dying oh yeah she's one of the fake padme fake padme and then she's like i'm so sorry you know she has like a little right monologue someone found the clip and we were both like not a great

performance and we were like which is bizarre because she's become one of the best actors we have right now yeah and then we were talking about rose burn performances we liked we both went like sunshine and we were like that movie's ane performances we liked. We both went like Sunshine and we were like, that movie's a fucking masterpiece. We should do an episode on Sunshine. We had just done

Judging the Judge. So we had established this model of like, we do Star Wars movies and then we did a weird one-off. So we were like, we'll do a Sunshine. Right.

This was this point where we were like, I don't know, maybe we occasionally do like, we thought we were going to do like a one-off Hulk episode, a one-off Sunshine episode. We had these couple of like one-offs we wanted to do like we thought we were going to do like a one-off hulk episode a one-off sunshine episode we had these couple of like one-offs we want to do before we landed on the miniseries thing the director thing so this has been talked about since 2015 um and now we're doing it's an

eight-year promise sunshine um it's why one reason we're doing Danny Boyle obviously you haven't seen this movie in 10 years though and I watched it so many times like I probably watched it 3 or 4 times in 2007 and then I kept watching it like once a year and I truly think it may have been a decade since I saw it maybe a little less but it had been a while

Sunshine a 2007 film Ben! Yes! Have you seen this movie yeah okay yep um someone recommended it to me or you know what actually fuck maybe griffin and david who was it it was you two fuckers someone and i finally came across it and just was like, all right, I'm going to put this on. And it was like a fantastic space movie. Yes. I love a space mystery.

That's one of my favorite kinds of space genres. Yes. It's a space mystery. Yeah. I mean, you know, an interesting thing about this movie is I think it's straddling a couple different genres at the same time. Yeah. And it's doing them pretty seamlessly.

Obviously, the controversial element of this movie is whether the last 30 minutes work for you or not. And a lot of people, it's a breaking point. We will get into this at length. Here's what I want to say. I have nothing to say to those people. This episode, an eight-year promise to our listeners, to ourselves.

Right. Finally talk sunshine, right? Yeah. There is an unfortunate runner on this show, Blank Check with Griffin and David. What? The the biggest episodes the ones i'm most excited for i'm fucking sick oh you're sick okay sure yeah here's my state right now okay i have a sinus infection which makes me feel like i'm inside of the sun suit from this movie i feel like completely like enclosed in that like gold suit with the tiny slit where I can barely breathe.

And then also, I went to the dermatologist yesterday to get stuff removed, and I'm blistering all over. So I feel like fucking Pinbacker. I feel like my skin is molting, and I'm in the suit. Yeah, gross. All this to say, Sunshine, a masterpiece from 2007 by Danny Boyle. Edward Yang only three points ahead of David Lean right now. First post-race.

Interesting. Just launched. Very interesting. Sunshine, a great film by Danny Boyle. One of my favorites. It feels... Seen it a dozen times, if not more. Yeah.

It feels what? No, I was going to say in in a certain way this is one of his biggest blank checks and it's weird that it's coming off of an unsuccessful movie but i guess the 28 days later effect was just huge yeah yeah millions doesn't even that people didn't even know that existed no and him going to fox searchlight and being like, I want to work with the same guy and do another elevated genre movie like 28 Days Later I think was just a strong pitch to them. What same guy?

Alex Garland and Cillian Murphy. Both of them. Same screenwriter, same lead actor. What I did for 28 Days Later, the zombie movie, can I do something for the space movie? Well, I guess we could talk about how this movie came together. Yeah, because it's interesting danny boyle was attached to make a film called 3000 degrees warner brothers that's hot uh about a real life 1999 massachusetts fire that had killed

six firefighters so he's in a he's in a hot place he's in a hot mindset in terms of his next film uh it's based obviously on like a nonfiction book. It sort of sounds like a... It's based on a fire. It's based on a real fire, but it sort of sounds like The Perfect Storm or whatever. It's like there's a nonfiction book about this unusual disaster. I think it was going to be like Ed Harris, Woody Harrelson. It was going to be this cast of kind of gritty guys. Gritty chrome domes uh

and it ran into like protests from the real life surviving family members and stuff and i guess warner brothers just kind of backed off you know they were like all right forget it um uh one thing he says though is you know it's an extraordinary story. I tried to cast this actor for the main part, and I went to meet him. He said, I don't want to play it. And I said, why not? Because it was a really good part. And he was like, well, the guy dies. And this actor, who he won't name, I'd love to know who it is, said,

yeah, but, you know, no one remembers anyone who dies in films. And Danny Boyle is just like, okay. Anyway, that's just a little fact yeah i'm like how many people have won oscar true right danny boyle is trying to be like maybe he had a point and i'm like i don't think he had a point daddy i think that's uh no that's the kind of thing someone says where you're supposed to be like huh oh interesting but it's not actually real it's always funny when you hear those stories about actors who turn down parts and they're just like audiences always hate a character who does this uh you can never play something like there's like a fucking a

million movies man there's definitely examples of that not being true right i'm also just like that sounds like a you problem you can say i don't know how to play this i don't think i can make this character work but when they're like audiences always hate anyone who dies or forget about them anyway obviously the other space movie danny boyle we i think we mentioned this on early episodes considered making was alien resurrection yes that he was attached to that and then he dropped out it was earlier in his career and he was like i'm not ready to do like a big cg movie but it's sort of interesting to think about that he does obviously uh alien love triangle which we talked about his unruly short song that's small scale sci-fi comedy um alex garland

obviously had worked with him on 28 days later and he was like i have this idea for a mission to the sun movie we'll do like a classic meditative sci-fi movie like 2001 or solaris or whatever but like nobody ever thinks of the sun we're always going that away what about that away towards it um and uh they they both in interviews both garland and boyle keep talking about it like a mountaineering movie which i kind of like that idea interesting of like trying to climb something gets harder and harder the closer and closer you get to the top yeah no i mean that's what i like about the uh structure of this movie um i i also read some quote from them where they were saying like it was exciting to us to have an apocalyptic threat that was basically the opposite of our environmental concerns sure right rather than

global warming global chili right like if if you're making a sci-fi movie about the thing that probably will eventually kill us all too much of a bummer right and instead it would be funny though if that was what it was about yes and they had to go to the sun and like throw a big bucket of water on it cool that would be too hot cool it down cool it down they just get a big hose and they're like will you cool down you crazy old son i just think it's such a good like starting point choice for this movie that it's a thing where you're like that sounds like a really scary threat i could see how that would make it difficult for us to live but it's not a thing that we're actually worried about right now it's not a real thing but it is a good concept our son is dying yes everyone knows that sons eventually kind of die out sure our son is about four and a half billion years from doing that but whatever what if it

was just doing that what and then early retirement then the idea of like well how would we fix that like we'd shoot a giant bomb into it to kind of kind of like you know yeah well it's like when the wi-fi yeah it's like hitting the side of the tv you gotta unplug it and plug it back in uh i don't know if i'm getting ahead in the dossier here but like the other element of this movie that finally crystallized for me here and maybe i'm an idiot and you've always picked up on this but i was reading some interview with killian murphy where he was talking about the prep work he did with danny boyle and danny boyle was like watch wages of fear yes right huge huge great in terms of actors having to sell tension and stakes and intensity and trying to solve a problem and i'm like oh right that's the genius of this movie is he's basically combining alien

with wages of fear wages of fear, if you haven't seen it, an incredible French film by Clouseau that was remade as Sorcerer, the great William Friedkin, Roy Scheider movie that you would love. But both movies are about tough men, hard men, if you will, who have to transport a truck of nitroglycerin

across the jungle. Like, awful terrain. And so the whole thing is just these guys, like, these tough guys who are constantly, like, at each other's throats, have this incredibly sensitive payload. They're trying to get from one into the other. Can't let it blow up.

Right. But that sort of thing of, like, we got this bomb, we have to get it one into the other. Can't let it blow up. Right. But that sort of thing of like, we got this bomb, we have to get it to this place. Garland meets Danny Boyle at a pub on Totten Court Road. Gives him a 90-page script. Boyle says the original script was more small scale.

The end of the film, there were two guys left playing chess as they were going into the sun. So it was kind of a like, you know, probably more thinky movie. And Boyle is like, I want this to, you know, be more gargantuan, whatever. Like, I want to keep the psychological element, right? But, you know, he boils it up. I mean, you know yeah it's a danny boy he wants to make it function as a genre movie um and yes and i think alex garland script did have the function that

the script that the movie has the slasher thing of like every 20 minutes someone dies or even 10 minutes you know in some new and inventive way um but the way boyle puts it is i'm not like tim burton or luke basson who can do flamboyant sci-fi i like realism and then i try to disfigure it this was science possible not science impossible he takes the script to brian cox not not not yeah fuck off not that guy because he would have said i'm not doing that fuck off son everyone's a bad actor but me fuck off

why does the ship have an actor like he's just there playing himself you know NASA decided that to be an actor on board fuck you not Brian Cox the actor the great actor don't come for me but brian cox the kind of like cool hip physicist who used to be in a band like you know do you know

brian cox i do this guy you know he's very cool i'm now just i'm sorry i went off thinking about brian cox coming at you come here sims i can't do him. He likes kissing too much. Fuck off. I wonder how he feels about kissing. I read his book. He definitely did some kissing. Kissing's for losers. Fuck off. So wait, the other Brian Cox. Takes it to the real, the physicist Brian Cox.

What band was he in? Wasn't he in D-Ream? He was in like 90s. Oh, God, it keeps giving me the actor. Come on, the physicist. Fuck off. Google's telling you to fuck off. Yeah, he was in D-Ream, which you probably don't know about them, but they were a British band.

Things can only get better. Big 80s, early 90s, kind of like synthy pop rock. I just like that Danny Boyle found the most Danny Boyle physicist possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, this guy, he's like... Oh, wow. So it's like dream. Dream, but D colon ream.

Best known because Tony Blair used their song as his campaign song in Britain. Things can only get better, you understand? I get it. I get it. You know what I say to that? What? Fuck off! Fuck off!

You know, he's one of those Brian Cox It's just you know those scientists who break through Because they can explain Very heady concepts to you in a somewhat Pedestrian way And they're not like weirdos If you sit them in front of a TV camera But I'm not saying he's stupid He's clearly smart

You're Bill Nye's I know it's not a perfect analogy No sure But you're Neil deGrasse Tyson The guy's a broadcaster Right Yeah These guys who kind of like

Break through Yes In some funny way Carl Sagan Yes Well sure He's special He's the king

Beaker Beaker Beaker Well Honeydew's the one explaining That's true Beaker doesn't really talk I couldn't think of the other one Yeah

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew So some respect Top tier Muppet That's true. Beaker doesn't really talk. I couldn't think of the other one. Dr. Bunsen Honeydew. So some respect to top tier Muppet. The script went through many revisions. And Boyle was sort of like the whole time trying to be like, let's just try to keep the sets contained. He had this sort of budget. He's like, I don't want the beach again.

I don't want some kind of production that spirals out of control. I do want something manageable in terms of setting. This movie cost $40 million in 2005 when they filmed it. So it would be $50 some odd million today. Sure. But it is in this weird, like,

to make this movie for $40 million is a shoestring budget a hundred percent you know even though this budget is close to the beach the beach obviously so much of that budget was dicaprio and the rest of the movie like getting shit to this location got inflated right this is this is an incredible use of money but it also made this film exist in a weird in-between space from the get-go because you%. Because you hear all these stories, and they're all here in the dossier, about him.

Everyone questioning, is this a Fox movie, or is this a Fox Searchlight movie? Yeah. Right? And they were like, it's either like far and away the biggest Fox Searchlight movie we've made,

or it's like the smallest Fox release. And it was straddling this line of him wanting to do like psychologically grounded sci-fi but still have it function as a slasher and as a thriller and all of this where I think this movie was just like stuck between two poles for a very long time.

Well, let me tell you. I mean, I know what their biggest mistake was. They shouldn't have called it Sunshine. It's a bad title. I'm sorry. It's not a... It's not a sellable title. Not a sellable title. Does not sound like an action movie.

No, it doesn't. Doesn't sound like a space movie. Doesn't sound like a movie with, like, you know, high octane sunshine. No. We love the title. I don't mind the title. Okay, I love it then. I'll speak for myself.

I like the title. But I agree with you. I think it's hard to sell... I don't know what you're supposed to call there was that fucking also that this had oscar buzz movie sunshine there was ray fines there was a big oscar buzz sunshine movie eight years prior right and like we're the only fuckers who even remember that thing existing but it does feel like that's the kind of movie you think would be called Sunshine. I agree. And again, I don't know what the movie should be called, but I'm just saying. Icarus 2 or whatever.

Project Icarus. Mission 2. See, all these kind of do sound bad. They're generic titles. That's the problem. Look, he used storyboards pretty much for the first time. Boyle doesn't like storyboarding. But for this one, he was like, well, it's completely essential.

Boyle doesn't like storyboarding, but for this one, he was like, well, it's completely essential. That's also, that's the way you make this movie on a budget, is you figure out every single thing perfectly years in advance. 20th Century Fox is the first person they reach out to because they had worked on various Boyle movies, but they were wary because of the disaster that Solaris had been for them. Yes. The Steven Soderbergh masterpiece. Right. That was a hugely expensive, cost twice as much as this movie and bombed right so they're like the second someone comes in with any heady ideas in space yeah exactly they're scared um so they start getting some british

funding lottery funding ingenious film partners which is some kind of you know whatever you know european investor and then fox searchlight as you say yes brings in uh the rest um they did want to change the title to they didn't say they just thought the title sounded like the title of the musical. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. But they did basically say, because we're Fox Searchlight and we're not mean old Fox, you're allowed to have whatever cast you want. You can shoot it in London. Yeah. And you can, like, have total creative control. The one thing I read was that...

And the cast of this movie is insane, but at the time, they are not names. Michelle Yeoh is probably the biggest name in this cast. Correct. But at the time they are not names Michelle Yeoh is probably the biggest name in this cast Correct She's the biggest name in this cast And this is arguably in a slight lull in her career She's just also just always been an actor

Who in Hollywood just does movies Yeah She doesn't open movies No it's a little taken for granted She's an ensemble player Yes In a big way but not in a Like she's into Mummy 3

She's not on the fucking poster No No but she is the biggest star in this movie. Yeah. Almost by default but yeah. And then it's a lot of people

that they're trying to launch. I mean I guess Chris Evans had already done Fantastic Four. So maybe he's sort of similar. We're going to do

a whole Evans thing. But I feel like that was one of those things where I mean this comes out the same year as the second Fantastic Four movie. I think that's a total example of like,

this guy was in a big hit, and he was one of the stars, and he was the performance that everyone liked relative to the rest of that cast, right? He's the one who came closest to popping. He's got some life in those movies, yeah. Yeah, but like, he was not automatically made a star by that.

He's the kind of name where a studio calms down a little bit because you're like, you're giving us a name of a handsome guy who was in a film that was a hit, but no one thinks he's drawing an audience at this point. He's just kind of a little bit of a safety net. And then Kelly Murphy, you're like, okay, he was the villain in Batman. Yeah. And 20 days later.

Yeah, we'll talk about all these people. The one thing I saw that Fox... I keep saying the one thing I saw. I saw many things. I have read many things about this movie. Fox Searchlight's big ask was, you can put together this cast that is very international

with a lot of people who are not yet bankable stars. Please have as many of them speak with American accents as possible. That was apparently their one demand. I mean, okay. Yeah. They just were so worried about... People can take a multinational cast,

but they all need to sound American. Now, this is the last Danny Boyle-Alex Garland collaboration. Which is wild. It feels like they kept working together. Garland starts doing his own thing pretty much after this. They basically agreed on everything sort of,

unlike 28 Days Later, he says, like, basically, like, you know, they had the same inspirations. And they respect each other very much. They do speak highly of each other, but Garland does kind of

complain, sort of complain in this interview. I mean, I've interviewed him. He's a grumpy guts, and I love him. Hey, grumpy guts. We stand a grumpy guts. What he says here, which is Danny has a terrific instinct towards viscerality and compulsion. If you're making 28 Days Later, then you're in perfect

sync. Sunshine, in my mind, was closer to Ex Machinaina tonally more reflective sometimes viscerality and reflection are fighting for space on that movie it's a balance issue um but garland is still mostly like but danny is a good director and he's making good choices like he said but he can he clearly is like i envisioned a more meditative film than this. I think the emotionality is key to this film. I agree. I just think he should get over it. I like Alex Garland's movies.

Me too. As a director, and I like his whole vibe as a director. But this is a movie that needs a bit of the earnest lifeblood. Yeah, look, I love Alex Garland's movies. What people mean to each other, of danny boyle energy this movie has energy and i love alex garland's movies but but also ex machina is like a chamber piece that works totally yes like that's yeah i like annihilation a lot yes and i like the ending of it yeah men is the least successful of them obviously but there's stuff but annihilation like

you know there are directors who might have come in there and been like this needs a third act yeah this can't actually just be this quiet the whole time you know i'm not sure if that would have been the right call but i can anyway yeah boyle and garland both think the third act of this movie could have been executed better now uh again i think they just need to get over it. Yeah. I mean, this is one of those, like, there was... They should just shut up. I think they should shut up. Hey, David, be respectful. They made a movie that we love.

Show a little respect. It circulates a lot on the internet, but there was, I don't know, 2009, 2010, Tarantino did a series of introductions for some British film channel. He was like curating a series of his favorite movies of the last decade.

Yeah. And he did video introductions for all of them. Yeah. And he, I feel like he kind of crystallized the complaint of this movie where he is like,

the first two thirds of this movie, I think, are maybe the best film of the decade. And the last third of this movie is so apocalyptic. It makes me furious. I think it's like a disaster.

I have rarely seen a movie self-sabotage itself this hard. But the first two thirds are so good. It's still in spite of that makes my 10. What is the, where is this last third? Like what's the point? It is the moment you find out basically that Pinbacker is still alive. And that he is on the ship. Okay.

That is when people flip on this movie. As I remember. When it starts to feel a little supernatural heightened slasher. I remember talking

to a friend. Yeah. Normie friend of mine Josh. Shout out Josh. Shout out Josh. Around the time this movie came out.

There's nothing wrong with being normal. I've known him for most of my life. 20 years. I agree Ben but I also don't believe that you think that. Look, I was talking to my friend Josh,

and I was like, I love sunshine. And he was like, oh, yeah, I like that. I didn't like the last act. And I was like, I kind of stick up for the last act. And he's like, really? Like, when it's just like this guy being like, I am God. Yeah.

And I was like, well, when you put it that way, I'm like, yeah, sure. Kind of body slamming. You have an impression it's silly. Yeah. like this guy being like i am god yeah and i was like well when you put it that way like yeah sure kind of body slay an impression it's silly yeah i i mean look i i love it unabashedly and i think it's perfect and i wouldn't want this movie any other way on this rewatch it was the first time where i could even almost as an intellectual exercise understand what people don't like about it i think they're dumb and i think they should shut the fuck up, as you said. But every other time I watch this...

They're gonna come for you now. Yeah, well, great. Come at me. I don't like that he said that. I don't want to get too, like, caught up on this. This is, like, so nitpicky, but if you're going to the sun,

I don't see them once put on sunscreen. What? Not once. This is part of the movie. They're all fucking obsessed with this thing. They're all obsessed with towing this line and being like, how much sun can I... Give me 3.1%.

That's just the one guy. Look, back to the dossier. Pinbacker, they're all starting to... Pinbacker could stand to moisturize. There's no question about that. Pinbacker could use some cocoa butter. Big time. Alien in 2001. Obvious to influences if you're gonna make a

space movie pretty much anybody yep but what's one thing that boyle likes about those movies ensemble films yes with not big stars right and with alien alien especially the feeling of like this being a workplace workplace you've got this kind of cast of character actors and up-and-comers um and you know you really try and make it feel very level playing field yeah because of course the magic of seeing alien the first time we don't get to have this magic because we know who sigourney weaver is but like is that you really don't know who the final person is gonna be no no really feels like it could be anyone here's what's wild about this film almost everyone in it has gotten so much more famous since then since that even still watching it today you're like i don't know who makes it because it's not like now retroactively i

understand that one of these people popped no and the others didn't troy garrity is i would argue unfairly right like we we've maybe we've we have not done him right as a culture. You think so? I like him a lot. What do you like him in? Barbershop, he's incredible in. And? Bandits.

Okay. He's incredibly good in Bandits. Is he? Yes. I don't remember him in Bandits. That was his. Look, I remember when Troy Garrity was a big deal. Yes.

I remember those two years. It's these three movies. It's Sunshine, The Two Barbershops, and Bandit. No, you're forgetting Soldier's Girl. That was his big thing. Oh, thank you. Which he won a Golden Globe for, I believe, or he's nominated. He's the communications officer?

Yes. Yes. And obviously, he's Jane Fonda's son, so he's a nippo baby. And his father is Tom Hayden of the Chicago 7. His father is not Tom Hayden. It's Eddie Redmayne in the Chicago 7 movie. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

His father's Eddie Redmayne. Wait, how does that work? What do you mean? No, I'm joking. You know, did you see the Chicago 7 movie? All right, okay. Eddie Redmayne became that part so thoroughly that in fact, they checked his DNA and they were like, somehow Eddie Redmayne came in your mom.

That's commitment. I've heard of method. Yeah. But the weirdest parents for that guy have. his DNA and somehow Eddie Redmayne came in your mom. That's commitment. I've heard of method. But the weirdest parents for that guy have. But it was like Barbershop Soldier's Girl. He's a good looking guy. Everyone was like, well, and he's Hollywood royalty. This must be a new star. He works.

He's working to this day. He did like six seasons of Ballers. He was on Ballers. Where did he go? And it was like, oh, he was on all of Ballers. Oh, yeah. Ballers. A show that had six seasons. He was i was looking he was on ballers where did he go and it was like oh he was on all of ballers oh yeah ballers uh a show that had six he was kind of the re gold he's like an agent he's like the big agent on that show um it's not like he doesn't work but he certainly didn't whatever pan out as a superstar pretty much everyone else in this movie is uh well known or as you say like just only got more famous does icarus work hmm icarus burned up um burned up at the end of the movie yeah

that's too bad like someone burned so bright yeah exactly that's how you go out someone like kuro yuki sanada who's obviously a huge star in japan already yeah by the time this movie came out this is basically his second english language film after Last Samurai. And then after this, he becomes a guy who's in everything. He's a guy who'll pop in. Right. He'll pop in.

Benedict Wong, we know him, we love him. Michelle Yeoh, Cillian Murphy, Rose Byrne, Chris Evans, all Cillian Murphy.

They got Michelle Yeoh first. She was the first cast. They wanted her to play the sonata role, originally. Everyone, no, well, he says everyone was written every character much like alien it's like gender no gender no ethnicity you know um so maybe they kind of wanted to be the captain but she picked corazon i the quote i read was that he had her in mind as the elder statesman the leader and she said i don't think i've aged into that part yet sure well okay michelle in terms of intensity not not literal age yeah uh killian obviously 28 days

later yeah rose bernie's casting off of troy she's very pretty yes and then he throws her into 28 weeks after this for that's true yeah also tired in that one cliff Curtis had recently done Whale Rider He's in Training Day He sort of pops in that thing I guess Chris Evans and Troy Garrity Are a little more just kind of like Well these are guys These are some guys you can get And Chris Evans certainly everyone

Wanted him to be That guy on paper You're just like well this is an obvious leading man And then You know Benny Wong of course Is sort of notorious He's cutie pie. That guy on paper, you're just like, well, this is an obvious leading man. And then, you know, Benny Wong, of course, is sort of notorious for like not having an agent.

He's like one of those guys. So I'm not sure how they get him. His first movie that I saw him in, maybe not his first film, but the film I saw him in, he was in this movie called On a Clear Day You Can See Forever. That's a Peter Mullen

trying to swim the English Channel movie. I never saw it. It's a cute movie, but he's in that and he's got such a distinctive look and energy that i was just like well i remember this punim and then this comes out a year or two later yeah um he really does um they hadn't thought of killian initially he says okay they saw that character is american uh but then they saw him in batman begins yes and they thought he did a great job and his american accent was impeccable and they thought why not killian it is incredible his accent work in this movie is uh excellent you know what else i have to say about him what good looking it it is look anytime him and Rose Byrne are on screen together, they're these two like angelic looking, saucer eyed, round faced.

Eyes. They're both so delicate and sad at all times that just have the two of them be tired sitting around a darkly lit table being like, I hope the sun doesn't die. Chris Evans, Fantastic Four. Yes. Casting director said, you should see this guy. They loved him. Said he can do anything.

Great. They put them into space camp. Yes. Boyles was like, we're going to go method this movie as much as we can. I want these performances to be so lived in in terms of them feeling

the weight of the passage of time, how long they've been on this mission, all being stuck together. He was like, obviously we can't send them into space, but I'm going to do everything I can to create the circumstances for this to be lived in. He kept telling them, watch how Brian Cox

talks about things, because they're with Brian Cox, who's this young sexy scientist and he's the way boyle talks about like he's so resolute he's so like firm in his scientific thought and that's how the actors are in this and the characters are in this movie right like the way everyone talks in this movie you think passions get inflamed at times but but at the end of the day, they're like diagnosticians. That is how they approach problems. It is one of the things I love so much about this movie, and I'm not

taking body blows to a film that we both love, David. Okay, which film? But there's the scene that people mock in Interstellar, where Romilly takes out the paper and the pen and does the like complete illustration of how time works

right and they're like obviously it makes sense within the movie this character was not an astronaut whatever right

or McConaughey's character is not a scientist I mean yeah but it's one of those things where like the movie understands

that it now needs to explain to the audience how the thing works. This movie somehow threads this needle of when they are all speaking to each other, there is like no importance

put on it. It is a workplace conversation. Even when the stakes are high, the way they speak about these things are just like, well, this is just their knowledge base.

This is their job. This is what you do. This is how you like solve a printer jam or whatever. But yet, every concept is communicated so clearly to the audience. There's no moment where they go into scientific mumbo jumbo and you start zoning out. No, no.

I don't think there's right. There's not really. Hmm. I think this movie is incredible in its sort of efficiency at communicating complicated concepts without handholding them for the audience and that you just know the entire time what their mission is, what they need to do it how it needs to work like it's almost set up like a uh a heist movie yeah sure even in terms of just setting up the different rooms of the ship and what everyone's function is where it's just like all of this you understand

the entire ecosystem of this film what could go wrong how it goes wrong what the possible solutions are what your end point is and i i read like cox in particular was like killian murphy nailed it this is exactly how physicists yeah he says that physicists to this day speak highly of that performance it like they're like he got it right there's there's something about how natural it is he doesn't put too much importance on it but you also believe that he actually knows what he's saying and he's hot brian cox is kind of hot killian's hot killian in this character kappa also is kind of this weird anti ripley sure i would say chris evans is kind of the ripley in this movie. This is my point. And then everything he says is correct. Yes. And they don't listen to him.

Right. But the whole thing of like Alien, right, is, okay, here's Tom Skerritt. He's the biggest star. He's the one acting most like a movie hero. Sure. Who's Ripley. She's sort of the quiet.

She's the warrant officer, of course. Steely, more sensitive one in the corner, right? And then over the course of the movie, she slowly reveals herself to be the protagonist. But like part of the arc, and obviously the arc of Ripley across the four movies is like, who would have pegged this character to become the badass?

From the starting point of Alien, you don't think she's going to become an action hero, right? And Kappa is almost resolutely refusing to be an action hero the entire movie. He is the guy placed at the center of the story who remains like the intellectual, emotionally sensitive. I think it's so key that his introduction in this movie

is him doing the message to his family and that he's so corny, you know? In a sweet way. But it's like, you know, and Chris Evans' interaction, his introduction in the film is beating the shit out of Cillian Murphy. They're, like, feuding brothers, and Chris Evansans is like i should be the star of this film his character is

like i'm clearly i'm right about everything i have the movie star charisma i have the swagger i walk in sure and kappa just sits there the whole time and everyone has to keep pointing at him and being like but at the end of the day he is the only one of us who is truly indispensable. Well, but Chris Evans does that. He has that moment. He's like, well, he's the one we actually... That's what I like. For all their frustrations with him, they're like, at the end of the day, he's the only person we can't lose. And by default, he has to be the center of this movie.

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You know about the Vomit Comet, right Ben? They take you up on a plane that goes like this. So you can experience weightlessness. That's how they do all the zero gravity stuff in Apollo 13. Much like train spotting, he had them all live together for two weeks so they could get to know each other. Or Shallowgrave. I think Shallowgrave redid that. You know, he had them all live together for two weeks so they could get to know each other shallow grave i think he did that um you know uh he wanted them to have the camaraderie but also kind of the

weird sense of like boredom that they've been like sort of stuck living in a boring flat for two years weariness is so no one wearing makeup eating dipper dots right he had him do that yeah yeah he had him yeah they had to eat dippidots of course um they didn't shoot it at pinewood which is sort of one of london's big studios they filmed it somewhere smaller i don't know okay but in london in the uk uh and whatever there it's called three mills studios where is that let's look it up uh which apparently is like a ridiculous place it's in stratford sure it's east london um ridiculous place to make a big sci-fi movie because i think it's quite small but he wanted you know let's have the crew as small as possible let's have everything as as tiny as possible so we stretch every dollar um and uh you know, they have this production design approach that I think is very clever that is very real world.

Everything in this movie basically looks like something we would have now, maybe just a little zhuzhed up, right? Danny Boyle's argument is like, if you went years ago in london you'd see red buses they don't look the same as our red buses but they look pretty similar like i don't want there to be new things like i want i just want everything to be a little you know futuristic within reach um and even just you don't have them on the ship eating weird like future food pills and like everything feels recognizable in their day-to-day i mean look so the first i love everything about this movie but the first 20 minutes correct correct but the first 20 minutes of this movie which is the most like we're all just living on this ship together chatting figuring things out there's no chaos yet

it's like so just some of my favorite shit so you have the communications booth which is like you know uh it's like the reality show big brother you go sit in a chair and talk to a screen you have the weird kind of like hologram chamber where you can kind of watch 3d movies love that love the way that looks you got benedict wong just like making a stir fry for everybody right now he's like it's chicken today he's like yeah you know like that's real food very alien to me alien the movie well yeah i mean you know alien has the cryo sleep thing right so our characters are waking up and they're still pretty fresh to this thing whereas this movie starts and it's like everyone is just kind of like has been worn down to a nub as you say griff killian murphy and chris evans fight they fight

twice in this movie both times the same way yes this like boyish headlock both times michelle you and rose burn are like are you done you know like you know which i love their reaction to the drug all you've done is waste our oxygen with your nonsense the hologram room right is all this like this sense you get from the beginning of this movie of they really factored psychology into this mission there are so many things set up on the ship in the the chain of, to make sure that these people aren't losing their minds. Right. Because that's the greatest thing.

I saw this movie in Paris, France. Okay. La la. I know. But it came out in Paris in March of 2007. I was in Paris. Is that true? It came out before anywhere else? All right, I'm looking this up. I'm telling Paris vacationing family. Is that true? It came out before

anywhere else? Uh-huh. Alright, I'm looking this up. I'm telling you dead to rights. Okay. It came out March 2007. I was walking around Paris.

I see these giant posters that say, Parleria is a tour. Dude, 28 days later. Sure. Trainspotting. And have... Watto is there?

Yes, Watado was reading He did the voiceover narration Most French trailers at that time Has this cast on it, right? I think I had not heard of this movie Okay I didn't know this film was in development or production You hadn't seen the trailer?

It's March 2007 Okay The trailer was not out What? Well, okay I don't know what's going on with you I lived in Britain You lived in Britain as we all know

This came out in April 2007 in Britain And it was pushed down my throat It has a great trailer This came out in Paris in March 2007 Maybe it was the first week of April Then it was the first week of April It was the second Early April

I'm just looking at I'm i think you're a liar okay all right it was supposed to come out november in the u.s yes it ends up coming out in july right yes uh but so there was no marketing might have been better to do november it would have been better yeah there was There was no marketing in the US at this point in time. I don't think I knew that this movie existed. I started seeing all these posters with this cast on the streets. I was like, what the fuck is this? I went to see it. I saw it in a giant screen on like the Champs-Élysées.

One of those multiplexes there. No one else was in the theater. I saw the first showing and I was like, this thing's a fucking masterpiece. And then went back to New York and told everyone, I i was like get ready for this fucking movie right right right and then you know it comes out it ends up coming out four months later in 10 theaters and bombs and disappears bummed so hard in america just made no money here but there were like five or six months i thought at first it was going to be longer because it wasn't going to be until november right where i was just hyping this movie up to people and one of the things i would

say to my friends and telling them why this movie was good was it's the one movie that actually gets what gets right what it's like to be in space for that long right and my friends would say what do you talk what do you mean like you have any personal knowledge of yeah what do you know about being in space? The fuck are you talking about? And I was like, I don't know how to put it, but I watched this movie, and from the first scene of them all sitting around the table,

you just feel the energy of, these people have been here for years. They will be here for years beyond that. They basically are all outside of little tensions. They're all basically on the level they're friends or whatever they respect each other they pretty much worn through every conversation they can possibly have that you know originally rose burn and killian murphy were supposed to have a romance in this movie which i wish they had shot and sent the footage only to me uh but danny boyle was like

i think they're past sex at this point yeah which i can imagine i think it works against the energy of the hologram room look i think they all jerk off in the hologram room but i think if you're on this mission the idea of even with all the hotties looking around and being like should i sleep with them it's just like what am i doing here like everyone is just kind of like clocking it, you know? Getting it done. Yes. Okay. Here's some things. Please.

Design choices. No white suits for the astronauts, obviously. Gold samurai armor, essentially. I was going to say. The samurai armor. Brilliant choice by them. But samurai armor that meets like a diving diving suit right like the hurt locker like bomb disposal yes absolutely the fact that they're in those things i think were insane i think like they were hard to make it was brutal to be inside of them at one point you know here you can sit

out of basically just like freaked out and they had to like get him out of there like you know it sounds like it was a nightmare the way he shoots inside of those oh it's so good but they're like and then you see them like sucking on the straw there's like some water in there yeah uh adam savage of mythbusters who now does youtube videos where he mostly shows off film props and either his own collection or goes to other people who have the original costumes or props complete coincidence just like a week ago posted a video of this suit he went to the guy who owns this suit and it's just sort of studying it and the make of it and all of that and it's a fascinating video i recommend that people watch

sure uh yeah there's only two of them that they made i think like there may be three total um the reflective gold i mean the whole that aesthetic of this movie of like, they need to deflect and reflect the energy of the sun in other directions as much as possible. When you're in the ship, inside the ship, obviously when you're outside, there's yon sun, which is big, bright, and yellow. Inside, this is boiled. Everything is painted blue, gray, green. There's nothing orange, yellow, or red. There's no bright, and yellow. Inside, this is boiled. Everything is painted blue, gray, green. There's nothing orange, yellow, or red.

There's no strawberries, no oranges, nothing in that color hue at all. I wanted you to be in this blue, gray, steel, blue world. So when you go outside, you flush the audience with this color palette of the sun. It's like a man dying of thirst, and you drown him in cold water, is how he puts it,

which is very colorful language. Here's a take for me i think this movie is almost as good at using color to convey temperature as do the right thing it's the the trick that he just described totally works incredible yes this is a movie where you actually feel when things are hot and when things are cold and when things are neutral um which is the kind of the most important thing he needs to sell in terms of the tension of the thing.

The way he talks about making this movie is that everyone hated everyone at the end of it. Perfect. It was a nightmare to make. Great. The way Danny Boyle puts it

is like he has this quote where he says Ang Lee, the great Ang Lee, says directors aren't particularly nice people. I know what he means now. I'm not an unpleasant person but you have to be merciless

and push people very hard. And then later he says like i fell out with everybody you have to be so uncompromising i would never make a sequel to this movie you know basically just like awful i have no interest in ever doing sci-fi again it's funny he never works with any of these people again right now of course now he would now he and killian are sort of like oh we'll do another 28 days like there's a but yeah does he not doesn't do another garland movie he doesn't work with any of this cast again right jeez i mean but he eventually he recommends roseburn for the movie he's producing i get my big question is did he didn't even really work with andrew mcdonald for a long time after this no until one told transporting to this is like,

it feels like everyone needs like, okay, I don't want to look at you, but that's, that's the fucking energy in the movie. It's the dynamic between the characters that like, there's that great story with fucking Nashville that Robert Altman put the entire cast,

which, you know, is 80 people all in the same, like, shitty motel by the side of the road. Okay. And was like, everyone gets paid the same amount of money. Everyone is here every day

for the entire run of show because I want to be able to, in the moment, decide who gets added to a scene or removed from a scene. So everyone was just, like, kind of crappy accommodations there for three or four months filming.

And then Karen Black, they let shoot out all of her stuff in, like, four days and paid her more money and put her in the nice hotel in downtown nashville and it was like because i want all of them to hate her yeah i mean you always hear about those tricks like matt damon not doing boot camp with the guys in same parents they all just like fuck you yeah you didn't have to suffer like we did and it doesn't feel like it was a conscious thing but the tensions that arose in making this film, the difficulty making this film, just seeps into the DNA.

The sweatiness, the exhaustion, it's all on screen. Some clever, just finally, we'll do the plot in a sec, but some clever little tidbits. When they're in the sunroom, looking at the sun, that's a real rig that they built that's like

fucking shooting so much light at them because he was like i want this to feel real i don't want it to be cgi like i want them to really like you know be dealing with that when chris evans is in like the forest they went to a forest and shot it he was like i don't want to like cg this shit i want it to look like proper. in a while after having seen it so many times in a short number of years it is crazy to me how much you can feel the influence of this film on the last 10 years of space movies considering that this movie was such a flop where i'm just like i see things in gravity prometheus interstellar like all of these the martian it feels like this kind of reinvigorated the serious space movie for another generation what which then became this run of very successful films there are some huge hits martian interstellar

gravity gravity arrival you know is ground based but you know that's like sort of smart sci-fi does way better than this movie it It wasn't like a massive hit, but it made over a hundred million dollars worldwide. And all these sort of major directors. And I do think there's

Lucy in the sky. No, I'm kidding. But like, where was this? Prometheus, obviously, is after this. You know, I feel like there's, you know, life, like even trash like that.

The moment he's making this movie. The Midnight Sun Sky. What was that thing called? Well, it was for the Clooney. The moment he's making this film you're pretty much in the fallout of like red planet mission to mars sure there's yeah there's early late 90s early 2000s that don't work mission to mars is probably i mean star trek abrams is a year after this uh and that's two it's oh nine it's two years after this i can't um yes and

that's the opposite of this movie i love that fun poppy but it's fun and glossy you know yeah apple store exactly wally you know there's stuff like that um but you're right like there is the a few years later you start to see and i'm sure if i fucking talk to christopher nolan and i'd like to and he can call me and my number is this just put my number in yeah okay um and uh and i said like you see sunshine you're like because killian yeah that's one of your guys yeah i'm sure no one likes this movie i'm sure what if he doesn't i even like for how much this i would punch him in the dick if he said he didn't like this movie for how much this film is clearly indebted to Alien, I feel like there's a lot in Prometheus and Covenant

that comes from this. There might be. I don't know. It felt like... Fuck off. Whoa, Ridley Scott's here. Fuck off. This movie feels like Danny Boyle

shaking up the space movie and resetting it for the next 15 years. Yeah. To some degree. Well, he's a really good director. He's a really good director he's a really good director more seriously my point i was going to make specifically is in my opinion yeah his whole thing of like i don't want them reacting to nothing right when prometheus is being made people were like this is genius

ridley scott has revolutionized the filmmaking game. You watch interviews with Fassbender and Theron, and they talk about this. He did all the visual effects in advance so that when they are in the ship, they're surrounded by screens. So that rather than looking at a blue screen and having to imagine it, it's like, that's what it looks like.

Outside the window, that's what it's going to look like. And Danny Boyle is the first one i know of to basically do a version of that on this film they didn't have the budget to be able to do like fully rendered cgi but what you're talking about of like we're going to put a really bright light here we're going to go to the forest i want to like deprive this movie of people having to look at nothing there will be something that is at least a reasonable facsimile of what they should be seeing and he would create practical effects or project images or whatever it was where it's just like there's that tangibility to this fucking thing it doesn't feel like anyone is having to imagine the film is set in 2057 the sun is dying the sun is dying earth is freezing

one mission to freestar the sun didn't work we don't know why here's the sequel so last shot icarus 2 now an ironic name i was gonna say much like calling this film sunshine's a mistake maybe you don't call your plane your spaceship icarus yeah icarus you know he didn't make it the sun got his ass he in fact then the legend is flew too close to this right so maybe you just call it something else you know whatever sun slayer yeah right that's pretty good yeah i don't know um it is a good question if this movie was released under the title icarus and the mission was project sunshine or whatever sure that makes sense the sunshine yeah the uss sunshine right it may it

would make sense for them to call the ship the sunshine or the mission sunshine that would make more sense yes but no it's the icarus 2 it is a giant solar shield made of gold behind that a bomb the size of the fucking island of manhattan or whatever they say and then behind that this long spindly ship that's just like the international space station or it's just a bunch of modules right bedrooms the hologram room it's a railroad apartment uh it's a great exactly yes it's got uh you know it's got the oxygen room yeah the the garden what else do you think they got in there i I don't know. Planet Fitness. Right?

Oh, basketball court. Definitely. Yeah. Just look at how quickly this movie sets up everything. Right? You have like truly two sentences from Cillian Murphy voiceover. A little bit of voiceover. Right.

Which a lot of these movies would do that for the first 10 minutes. Basically, what's the bare minimum he needs to say to you? Are some was dying? And how did I end up in this situation? I bet you're wondering. When he said to say to you our sun was dying and how did i end up in this situation i bet you said that bet you're wondering yeah there's only one physicist who knows how to work the bomb freeze frame oh it's like the sun is dying our mission was to drop a bomb off and restart it great done and then just very quickly you're like meet everyone everyone has a distinct vibe everyone has a distinct job here are all the different rooms on the ship it does such a good job of setting up you don't need the spatial geography of where

the rooms are in relation to each other that much but you need to know what every room is you got kappa played by kelly murphy the physicist bright blue eyes mace played by chris evans the engineer badassass. But he's scrawny. Yeah, I mean, he's got an alright body. Of course, but I'm saying compared to fucking

what he looks like now, he's like a goddamn lump. Especially before they get him the haircut. Stanley Tucci hadn't, you know, gotten his hands on him yet. No super soldier.

Super soldier to him. Cassie, played by Rose Byrne, the pilot. Fosse brown face. Tired round face. So tired. Her face is...

The hottest performance. But she's so beautiful. So tired. Corazon, played by Michelle Yeoh, the biologist. Love a biologist. Searle, played by Cliff Curtis, the psychologist. Ben, thumbs up. Slash doctor.

I like Cliff. If there's ever been a Ben character. I love this guy. I love him as an actor so much. Cliff, of course, with Tanawari in Avatar, The Way of Water. He was the head of the Maka'ina tribe. He's very good in that film. Told them not to communicate with a Pyakon.

I don't know if you've heard of Pyakon, the outcast hulkoon. You know, I mean, he broke their natural laws, but, you know, there's a reason for it. I'm sorry. I was bringing this up apropos of nothing. Okay. I was doing some Rose Byrne Wikipedia checking. Rose Byrne, of course,

now married to Bobby Cannavale, the hottest in the game. Wow. Unbelievable couple. But I saw there was like someone Rose Byrne was previously listed as being in a relationship with for six years. I think from 2004 to 2010. And I was like,

who is this? And were like australian actor and i was like who's this australian actor that she was with for six years lee scores be himself from avatar the way of water rose burn used to date the shitty whaler who gets his fucking arm chopped off brendan cow now lee scores be is the cowboy from his dark materials at lin-manuel his name is scores his name is scores be mick scores be apparently although i don't i don't Oh, fuck. Lee Scoresby is the cowboy from His Dark Materials that Lin-Manuel Miranda put in. God damn it. His name is Scoresby. His name is Scoresby. Mick Scoresby, apparently.

Although I don't remember anyone saying his first name in that movie. Scoresby. He's the one who's always like, I've got to quote us. I've got to quote us, baby. Isn't that funny to just imagine that couple made up of these two sci-fi characters?

Just tired Rose Byrne being like, please don't kill him. And be like, let's get that fucking whale juice. Yeah, I mean, yeah. There's tons of pictures if you want to see them. Yeah. They dated for years. Look.

Weird couple. You've got Troy Garrity as Harvey, the communications officer. He's the wet blanket. We're not supposed to like him. We're not. And then Hiroyuki Sanada as Kaneda, the captain. Yes.

Who just is fucking, like, just radiating captain energy. He's so good at it. And then Benedict Wong as Trey, who's listed here as the navigator. Yeah, he's the navigator. Yeah, he's the one who does all the... He has one job.

He's got one job and he fucks it up. He doesn't do a good job. That's it? Doesn't feel like there's anyone missing here? No. Right? You're not like like why don't they have an ex and no one's doubled up it's a good breadth of jobs no one feels like

a redundancy right you know and well who's in charge of fun who's the captain of fun yeah who do you think the most fun person no one is that fun no one's no as've said, everyone feels very worn out. I think Evans thinks he's fun, but he's so aggro.

He's the only one who's still got energy. But when I, he has energy, but he doesn't make stupid jokes. No. There's no point in which he's doing dumb, look to the camera kind of jokes. Yeah. And Chris Evans had just done tons of that. Obviously in Fantastic Four, he's in another teen movie, right? He had done that kind of stuff.

So can I throw this out? You could see him doing some witticisms. Can I throw this out? No, you can't. Please, I beg of you, let me. All right, fine, go ahead. Okay. Absolute conjecture on my part.

Supported by nothing. Okay. I think this is the performance that got him Captain America. I have to believe that someone at some chain of Marvel, this is the performance that got him Captain America. I have to believe that someone at some chain of Marvel, this is the one. Because everything he was doing up until this point, as you said, was very jokey. It was hot shot, little shit, quip a minute, right?

He was sort of like baby Ryan Reynolds-ing. That's Johnny Storm's whole thing. But as you said, not another teen movie. He's like a parody of a handsome guy. He was on this Fox sitcom I used to watch with Milo Ventimiglia called Opposite Sex. Yeah. Where he was at an all-girls school. And that was his whole thing was being like sort of like a smug Lothario thing.

When they announced that he was the frontrunner for Captain America, and this was probably the year after this in 2008 or 2009. Sure. That he's being shortlisted for the part. Everyone's response was, well, that's weird because he already played Human Torch. He's already played a Marvel character. And also, this guy's too jokey, too smug,

too sarcastic. Captain America's supposed to be this square. Really earnest. There's that self-seriousness to Captain America that this guy can't sell. And I immediately went, that's great casting because i've seen fucking sunshine and sunshine was even though i think he is the bright spot of those fantastic four movies when i saw this movie basically from the moment he enters yeah he does have more of the energy that he will do in the uh you know in the captain i wasn't calling sort of like solid yes you know resolute guy yeah i i

didn't it's not like he came on screen i went oh this guy's gonna play captain america but he came on screen i went holy shit this guy's a movie star i thought this guy was charismatic and funny do you prefer him with the long hair are you sad when he cuts it he's sad when he cuts it i think i would like him with actual long hair. Yeah. I think the wig's a little crummy. I like the idea of the long hair though that like

they've just been kind of like goofing off because it's like you know but now that it's like we're close to the sun it's like alright alright I'll get a haircut right? And you need the reset

of this guy coming in with like kind of renewed lean vigor. But yeah I just remember watching this and like his his stoicism he's so good in the silent moments of this film just the sort of like energy he's got bottled the

entire time for a guy who was being such a fucking like line rapid fire delivery dude and all these movies being so smug and glib and doing it well i was like oh this guy's got like a basement this guy's got actual depth as an actor and i think yeah the whole modern chris evans run doesn't happen unless someone gives him a part like this uh i agree with that maybe that is kevin feige's maybe if i sat him down maybe he would say well, well, you know what? I loved him. Maybe it was Sarah Haley Finn. Maybe it was Joe Johnson. I don't know whom,

but I just have to imagine someone watched this movie and went, hear me out. There's a movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Evans. Icarus 2 is going

towards the sun. There's an observation deck. Searle has gotten a little obsessed with pumping up the volume in the observation deck great idea you have your opening narration then you cut to this great establishing shot of the ship and then the first character you're actually seeing is searle i love that it's your introduction to actual humanity in this movie right is searle sitting in the observation deck like you've set up the conflict of this movie and then he's not your main character but the first thing we're seeing is

how fucking insane the sun is. The observation deck is... Where is it on the ship? I'm not exactly... Is it the front? Is it the front most of the ship? Yeah. I think so.

Don't worry about it. Okay. I mean, you see it. You see there are shots of, like, this one little window you know you see it from the exterior it's like there's the shield there's the bomb and then the first

module is I guess the observation deck I almost question if it's within the shield I think it has to be within the shield it's like a tiny window within that shield you have to just accept that this thing exists because it doesn't make sense because like well why didn't they build the whole fucking ship out of whatever this thing is because it doesn't make sense yes yeah because like well i didn't develop the

whole fucking ship out of whatever this thing is you know like sure but i think you just kind of have to be like well there's just one panel of the shield that is transparent somehow such a good dynamic to set up from the very beginning of like right the power of this thing is truly awesome right this is an awe-inspiring thing. If you were this close to the sun, if you were on this mission, you would be so captivated by getting closer to the sun than anyone had before and just setting it up with this edging. Sun is big.

This guy just sits here every day with his fucking aviator sunglasses on and toes the line with a computer voice and goes like, can you show me a little bit more? And the fact that she's immediately like, if, can you show me a little bit more? And the fact that she's immediately like, if I gave you four, what's the level right now? It's 2%. Give me 4%.

If I give you 4%, you die. I can give you 3.1 for 30 seconds. Yeah, I can give you 3.1 for 30 seconds. What a good starting point. Four will blind you. To just be like, holy shit, right? The sun is intense. Don't look at it.

Don't look at it, but this guy is like addicted. Yeah, well, I would probably like to do that as well. Here he is with his sunglasses. I'm going to look at it don't look at it but this guy is like addicted yeah well i would i would probably like to do that as well here he is with his sunglasses you're looking like benedict wong all day he's a handsome guy but come on is this guy the way is this guy the wild man on ship no he walks out of this room you're like he's the psychologist right he's the one who's supposed to be making sure that no one else is going crazy i think it's sort of like he's cliff curtis talks about it i will i also should say there's this commentary you can listen to on the DVD of Brian Cox, the physicist,

and they might met. I listened to it long ago. I haven't in a while. They might talk about stuff like that. Like, where's this? Where's this room supposed to be? How would that,

you know, they try to talk through the science. Boyle also talks a lot about he was like, as much as it's science possible, I'm going to make the concessions that work for the stylization of the movie. They all move in slow motion when they're in space, even though that's not really realistic because it looks wrong to audiences

if they move too fast, right? Right. I'll do the whooshing sounds when the ships are flying by, even though there's a vacuum of sound in space. Like, some of the stuff you have to do, even if it goes against the science. There's certain

leaps that you just have to accept. No one floated though and squirted liquid into their mouth. No. There's no floating. There's gravity. Drinking juice in the air, what you're saying. That's a huge thing for me. There's droplets of juice in your mouth. I'm sorry.

Yep. Obviously, a movie like Gravity, that's like droplets of juice and you go like, I'm sorry. Yeah. Obviously, like a movie like Gravity, that's like, we're going to make this in the real strictures of like, that's how it is in space.

They shot it in space, right? Yeah. I mean, just they had to spend a lot of money making everyone float around in that fucking movie.

And in this movie, it's like, yep, there's technology that makes you not float anymore. Okay. They're going to the sun. Yes, Sorrel is getting a little addicted to looking at it.

Yes, Chris Evans and Kelly Murphy are a little... They got brothers. Testosterony. Yeah. There's this sort of like, they're about to cross this sort of barrier where they're so suffused by the sun's radiation that they can't send communication so it's kind of like that weird if you got a message you want to send you might want to do it now because another great i mean there's they are sensibly supposed to be coming back yeah but everyone clearly is fairly resigned to like look we may not and the first mission failed

the first mission failed and they don't know why and like you know there's this sort of and if they failed this mission there's no there to go back to there's like you know this is one of those movies where boyle had everyone sit down and write out character biographies for themselves and stuff like and the idea is supposed to be that they were picked because they don't have you know yearning for home like they don't have family connections that they're too worried about or whatever. And Troy Garrity's character is supposed to be the one

who actually, they kind of fucked up and he kind of does. Because he's the only one who's like, what do you mean we can't get home? I love that it's unspoken. It's unspoken,

but like, it's there. Like, he's the only one who's kind of nervy about it. You keep waiting for him to have the scene where he's like,

you don't understand my daughter. He's like stroking a picture. Right. It's so great that it's just, it's kind of just fundamental in his being. But just another piece of like, such fucking efficient sure yeah it's so great that it's just it's kind of just fundamental in his being um but just another piece of like such fucking efficient um uh character building right that it's like our

introduction to killian murphy is him doing the video message basically the thing that like interstellar takes like an hour and a half to build to right you're leading with the emotion of this guy and who he misses but also the emotional intelligent of him saying like, look, I don't have a lot of time. You're not going to send me another message, but don't worry. I know everything you want to say. Right. Right. In this very empathetic way, he's like, it can be unspoken.

I get it. I understand. I can imagine what you would be saying to me. And this guy gets caught up in the emotion of the thing. This is now the first track of the score that gets reused a lot. This movie is notorious for its score being reused in other things yeah um but this opening sort of very dreamy emotional theme that plays under killian murphy's video message and then you basically cut to chris evans

has him in a headlock yeah killian murphy took too long took too long now no one else gets a message yeah i'd be fucking mad it just says so much about like the the sensitivity of killian murphy took too long too long now no one else gets a message yeah i'd be fucking mad it just says so much about like the the sensitivity of killian murphy chris evans only knowing how to vent his frustration through violence when his frustration is you didn't let me tell my mom how much i love her or whatever you know right um so they're going to the sun. They're passing through the radiation barrier or whatever. They're losing communication. And then they start hearing. Well, first they see Mercury, which is a scene I love, where they're actually having fun.

They all sit down on the observation deck. It's a presentation. Canada is like, look, Mercury. Because Mercury is this tiny little planet that's very close to the sun, revolving around it. Weird little place. And Mercury, you see it. Because Mercury is this tiny little planet that's very close to the sun revolving around it. Weird little place. And Mercury, you see it. You see the surface.

Mercury is this kind of metallic planet. Yeah. It's got like a metal surface. It's got this dense metal core. And the surface is probably rocks, but like it's a very heavy metal core. Yeah. Yeah, they put the...

And Orson Welles is there doing Mercury Theater. I don't know. What are some other Mercury things? And that is the sort of internal antenna that amplifies things for them. And they start hearing this creepy noise. Please, I now ask, put the noise in right here. The distress beacon noise.

It's a good noise. I think it is one of the most effective little pieces of sound design. 100% agree. You hear it so many times while they're sort of like pondering what do we do, what do we do? And it's like this abstract like cry. It sounds like a whale noise or something. But it feels like, you know how there's like this abstract like cry it sounds like a whale noise

or something but it feels like you know how there's like different ambulance sounds from across the like world there's different like emergency broadcast noises there's something

about this alarm that it's just like I've never heard this in another movie before it's so unique to this this is this is a trope of these types of films we've seen this

beat so many times this is the inciting incident of so many of these types of films. We have seen this beat so many times. This is the inciting incident of so many of these types of films, especially, as we said, so many of these movies that have come out in the 15 years since this film, of like, they're on a mission. They get a weird broadcast. The question becomes, do you follow the broadcast and roll the dice, or do you stick to the original plan?

Now, here's my only complaint about this movie. Yeah. They just shouldn't do it. They shouldn't do it. And everything that goes wrong is because they do it of course but i love that but i love the classic you make one mistake that cannot be undone and the rest of the movie is you trying to dig yourself out of a hole that keeps on getting deeper and deeper and deeper this is the other area in which i think gravity must have had some influence on this movie although i know that film was in

development for a long time but But the build of this movie and the fact that so much of it takes place in close to real time, you know, it's not actually presenting real time in the same way Gravity is, but it does feel like the events happen in a very condensed period.

Wait, how would Gravity have an impact on this film? I'm saying the opposite. Oh, oh, oh, okay, all right, okay. Yes, yeah, go ahead. Gravity has that Rube Goldberg machine effect of everything that goes wrong affects the next. She tries to fix this and it leads to another problem, whatever. And I think this movie just has a similar tightness while not trying to be like, this is.

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Something I question is, is like Cyril starting to get a little possessed by the sun? Yes. Is that part of the mirror image? He's the mirror image of Pinbacker is how Cliff Curtis kind of puts it in interviews. Like, you know, obviously pinbacker mark strong's villain he got consumed by the sun in some crazy way and he becomes a sun fundamentalist a fundamentalist a fundamentalist uh and yeah maybe searle's not going to kill everyone on the ship

but he similarly is kind of getting obsessed there's a mania kicking in yeah i mean this is you talk about the third act turn right and boylele, let me find the exact phrasing he used here. But he was basically like, he likes having these elements in his movies that disrupt the reality, right? And usually Boyle is a very impressionistic filmmaker. He's not trying to present reality as it is. I suppose, sure.

He's using very loud cinematic language. He's using very visible editing and cinematography and music to, like, evoke a feeling rather than making his craft invisible, you know, in service of just the story. I think in a lot of ways, this is his most muted and grounded film in that the only time he starts using cinematic language in that way is basically when pinbacker comes in and pinbacker is basically i know i'm jumping ahead here but it's like this thing that cannot be filmed yeah that which i love right the camera can't even look at him and i think i think you know it's like yeah i was i was gonna i don't think you can call this film muted i got it i got it's not within the boil canon i'm saying only it's not muted yeah within the boil canon i'm saying that's what's wild muted. Yeah. Within the Boyle canon, I'm saying that's what's wild about it

is his style is so much more extreme in most of his films. The point I want to make here is that he's like, Pinbacker is the thing for me, the equivalent of like the baby in Trainspotting, right? Sure.

And I think Trainspotting does the baby. It does going through the toilet at like minute five. Yeah. Whereas this movie sets you into reality and then shakes it up. But it is set up from the very beginning, as you said, with Cliff Curtis's character, because I don't think he believes that the sun is actually supernatural. But I do think he's getting at this thing of like,

here are scientists in the future who think that they can combat the way of nature, right? That they can correct— The way of nature, the way of the universe. Yes. This is like, maybe we're just supposed to die now. This is the universe running its course. And they're like, we have advanced to a point where we could actually make this a choice. And we can reverse this. And the closer they get to the sun, the more it starts to warp their brains,

not on a supernatural level, but on the level of like, it is impossible to comprehend this thing. You know, like the closer they get, the more you're the guy who sits in the observation room with the sunglasses and just looks at it, the less reality makes sense to you. The less your small life makes sense.

The more you start feeling like there's things i just don't understand there's this moment where kappa's trying to figure it out what should i do and the computer is basically saying like at a certain point i can't guess anymore yeah you know you get this close to the sun and then like it's either the probability yeah right and that's what's happening to. They're all getting crazier and less predictable. Especially because they're scientists. Right? They're so, like, logical.

They're so, like, analytical. And this is something that is just, like, yeah, completely out of comprehension. Yes. Great computer voice in this movie. Incredible. It toes a perfect line between having some personality but

not feeling like shippo chung is the name of the actress this is her first film yes yeah um she's done a lot of stuff since she's done some stuff since a lot of tv um so they decide to go to the first one but benedict wong's character trey um does all the calculations right and plots their course correctly but forgets to adjust the sun shield it's like one tiny fucking mistake uh and it's the sun sun the sun shield uh i wouldn't call it tiny yeah it's like the you know because i would say it's a huge there's some debate in this i would argue it has some negative consequences in this film he kills himself right he and there's some debate in this movie. I would argue it has some negative consequences. In this film, he kills himself, right? And there's some debate in the movie later

over whether Pimbacker killed him. And I was like, last night, I was kind of sort of, you know, clicking around, reading articles. Because Pimbacker at that point is on a rampage anyway. And one guy was like, yeah, but remember,

this guy made a fuck up so bad that he doomed humanity forever. That might weigh on you. That might be enough to just make you, especially after two years or four years, however long they've been in this fucking mission, like going like completely crazy, like getting so stressed out about it. Yeah, that might cause you to crack. This whole dynamic is so good. And it's one of those things where you're like, I can't believe a sci-fi movie hasn't used this before. Of like, the guy makes the fucking error.

He doesn't carry the one, right? Right. He dooms them. He is now like in a catatonic state of depression. Right. And very quickly you set up this thing of like, we don't have enough oxygen. If he died, it would help us. Yeah.

We don't want to kill him. But something's gotta happen. Maybe we don't need to do anything to stop him from killing himself. Just the weird hushed tones with which they talk about it almost immediately where they're like, well, we're all furious at this guy. There's some sympathy.

There's some empathy, but also like hard not to be furious, hard not to feel. They only have one job. All their lives are expendable. That's how they're thinking about things. So they're inhumane in a way about all this stuff. Benny Wong plays that moment so well.

His breakdown in the explanation. I forgot! I forgot! Because how do you even say that? He forgot to adjust the sunshade. Irreversible mistake. So it burns out a couple things, right? Fucks them up. They have to go out to adjust manually. Which, I mean...

Is never a good sign. But I just love a spacewalk. And obviously these suits are great. So the score is by Underworld. With John Murphy. But first Underworld watched the movie and improvised music over it. And John Murphy comes in. He does the orchestral stuff. The theme

that got ripped off. But the Underworld crunchy electronic music that's playing while they're trying to fix the shield. the weird little lights that pop up i love those things like balloon light they're like a octopus looking kind of thing um yes um all that is great um and this is i guess this is the first kaneda is the first guy to die yeah because it's so effective while they're doing this, what, the communications tower burns up and that burns up the oxygen garden.

Things start to go crazy. Right? Yeah. There's the moment, well, because Evans, why am I forgetting Evans' character's name? Mace. Mace.

I keep on wanting to say Cage because Cage doesn't need the MCU. Mace volunteers Kappa. He's like, if someone has to go fix it, it needs to be Kappa, because Kappa, I'm not letting go of Kappa

being the problem here. Yeah, it's kind of a dick move. He's still angry at Kappa for basically the chain of events that leads to Benedict Wong's mistake. Right. Trey's mistake. So he volunteers him,

but then Sonata is like, oh, no, I understand. I need to make the sacrifice here. He's not going out alone. It has to be two of us. I'm the captain. It's my responsibility. And then one of us is going to have to stay behind to hold this down. Once again, Kappa is the one who needs to stay alive. We need

to make sure he is the one still standing at the time when the payload has to be dropped. Yeah, because basically the icarus starts to move the shield back towards its original line and they're like well let's just turn that off and mace is the one who's like we can't do that we have to fix the shield like you know we have to protect the ship and all that and like you say yeah canada can die he doesn't have any purpose He's just the captain They're all getting emotional and worked up And Mace is like no this is what needs to He's got that sort of resolve

Of like you guys don't get it None of us matter We just are shooting this god damn thing into the sun That's the whole plan We cannot make calculations based on human emotions How do you feel about Canada dying With like the fires Going up the shield The number one moment is Cliff Curtis Getting in his ear What do you feel about Kaneda dying? With like the fires Like going up the shield

And he's like The number one moment Is Cliff Curtis getting in his ear What do you see? It's so good He's so jealous That this guy's gonna get to see it At full blast

The one thing he wants to hear Is what it feels like What does it look like? It bright Bright And Cliff Curtis has started Peeling at this point They've now started putting like prosthetic

Like gold member Flakes that he's like Taking off his foot He's having an unfortunate smelting accident But he's yeah he's in stage one of Full pinbacker He is like going turkey He's going turkey mode

It's such a good sequence I just think it's You know you said david the the score that everyone rips off in this movie right so often there are like bits of film score that get reused a lot in trailers or in movies they work as good shorthand but you very quickly hear especially in final films like oh they must have used this as a temp track and then they hired someone to rewrite it and do something similar you just kind they just kind of did the same thing. What's so unique about the Sunshine score

is people actually just license the track. Like, in Wonder Woman 1984, when she flies for the first time, they just use the track. Right. They just will license a track from another score because they nailed it so fucking hard. All the moments in this where it's sort of like the sun slowly coming closer,

them in the suits, moving slowly, trying to fight time, and everything just swelling. It's like, it's just become part of the language of film music now. It's very good. Yeah. I feel like there are like three movies that have just licensed. No, I think you're right. It gets used a lot of the time.

Along with Wonder Woman, yeah. It's a lot like the Hans Zimmer Thin Red Line track, Journey to the Line, which is well used in that movie, but then got just reused over and over and over. All right, so now they're all fucked up. Kaneda's dead. They're running out of oxygen because they're fucking thing up.

You have that first conversation where Rochelle Yeo's like, not to be an asshole, but we would have enough oxygen if more people died. Well, yeah. They're also kind of like, we've gotten off on oxygen to make it there.

This is where trincarity starts to get itchy because they're like, well, at least we can make it there. Well, we should point out that the plant room gets burned up. It got burned up. I see it. I called it their fucking thing. Was that not clear?

No. No. Their fucking thing. So they make it to Icarus 1. Yes. I saw this film. I didn't even say this. At the Odeon Camden Town in London.

Congratulations. And I was excited for this film. I like Danny Boyle. I love space movies. But it did arrive with only so much fanfare. Yeah. And this is... And I was very...

I love the first half hour of this movie. I love the environmental. It's just like the atmosphere. But then when they dock with the Icarus one, it's all dusty, dark. And they've got that trick where anytime the light flashes over the lens of the camera, you see one of the faces from the photo of the original crew

for just a split second. And then finally, when they finally find them all dead in the observation deck, they do it one more time and you see the whole photo. And I was just, I remember just being, I was like, this is the best shit I've ever seen. I'm fucking losing my mind right now. I'm 21 years old and I need sunshine all day. How do we feel about the Icarus one?

It's creepy. At one point, Cliff Curtis says that 80% of dust is human skin which is just not true It's just like made up fact I'll say this though it's one of those things that has stuck with me Ever since I saw this movie It's just not true at all I know it's not true but I just accept it It might be

Here's my defense of that line Okay Maybe in a spaceship where there's less stuff Sure And there's only people. Yeah. Apart from that, it's like a bunch of metal. Maybe that could be mostly human skin.

Yeah. All right. That's all. Look, it's an effective line. It's a great line because obviously they're basically in this tomb. They don't know it yet, but it doesn't have like an alive vibe in there. No, and they do such a good job of once again, not having the big info dump scene where they're like

look we don't know exactly what happened to pinbacker we don't know why icarus one failed it's just kind of unspoken that it's like there's a little bit of a mystery around that thing yeah there's the lost communication they have the video of pinbacker that you see searle watching the cheerful video yes but where he is kind of like the sun's pretty crazy yeah i mean you've ever think about it like wild stuff right that sun keep it's in my it's sticking in the claw it's in the noodle yeah it's it's bouncing around in there uh and then of course they load up this ship and then he's like one more video for you hello i'm a vampire now i love the sun um and it's all distorted and you can't really see him yeah do you think he's living off of the sun like is he feeding off of

that's what i kind of imagine i mean i don't he doesn't seem like he's cooking and taking care of himself there's no throwaway line they say like dust they had enough food for you know eight people for three years and you can kind of do the math of like, okay, one person could probably survive on that. Yeah. So maybe he's like grabbing some, you know,

kind bars and going once in a while. I know he's the villain of the film. Yeah. Oh, the villain of the piece. And we are not supposed to be rooting for him or identifying with his ideology. Right.

But I still think, uh, whatchamacallit the um weathering with you sure is the only other movie i've seen that has a character to this length sort of make the argument of like who are we to fight environmental disaster yeah like let's just give it up right sure then that's its will we're we're meaningless uh and it is just an interesting thing to think about there's also um well i don't agree with there's also there's i don't agree with vera farmiga in godzilla king of the monsters oh a sensitive nuance performance right but i feel

like her take is also that where she's like look these guys have shown up i think maybe we hand the earth to them you know and it's sort of that. It's a similar kind of pro-environment, like, you know, radical environmental take. Like, look, maybe we just let it all wash over us and, like, wipe us out. Obviously, with Godzilla, you're dealing more with metaphor, and Godzilla is always about the balance

between, like, the natural order of things and, like, you know, atomic weapons and all this sort of stuff. I just think Weathering With You and Sunshine are the two movies that do it with actual weather. Yeah. That do it with, like, the forces of the universe where it's like if our planet is becoming unlivable then maybe we shouldn't be alive um pinbacker is basically yeah his take seems to be look the sun decided to kill us all and i say we do what the sun says right it doesn't go beyond that it's just like, I now have seen this thing up close.

And it's the boss of everything. Yeah. I'm just like, anything we want to do feels stupid and petty. He's selfish though, because he wants to be the last man. Sort of. That's, I think, a big part of his motivation. As much as he's like initially presenting it as like, who are we? I think it's really more like, I am the one, the last one who will be standing. Well, yes. He's got a bit of a... He does have a God complex because he thinks the sun is God.

But he's got a son of son of God. Yeah, he's sort of whatever, the acolyte of the sun, I guess. He's the DJ Khaled of the sun. I don't know if that's something that will leave in the episode no you're gonna lose that one he points to the sun and he's like good work another one um keep shining he here's my question you're like you get your name on the track there's no answer to this question major key like the film is doing most of the heavy lifting the film is very much like he went crazy which i i do like that this film often is

sort of like the answer to your question is the sun the answer your question is he got so close to the sun that x happened yeah right but obviously he's still alive he's a little sunburned a little bit and he's very into low crisp sun everyone else on the ship is dead they all went to the observation deck and burned themselves up. Right? You see them all sitting there. Yes. It's this like chilling kind of Pompeii.

You know, the weird corpses from Pompeii. They're all these like dusty. And someone touches them and they like fall apart. And you're like, gross. Do you think they were with him? Like that he got them on board with that. And they went crazy too and then one day they just did that?

Or do you think he kind of like trapped them in there and cooked them? It's a good question. Cooked. You think he cooked them? Oh, really? Definitely. It's just never answered. We have no idea about it. We don't know what the other Because he's the captain and I think he overrided the system and just like boosted it up

right to a dangerous level of sunshine and cooked them all. You think they were all just on board with him? No, I read it as or I have read it as they all were starting to get their brain broken by the sun a little bit

but he to the greatest degree. So the rest of them were just kind of like, we failed this mission. He like broke the ship. The ship is like functional but he has like broken degree. So the rest of them were just kind of like, we failed this mission. Yeah, he like broke the ship. Right. The ship is like functional, but he has like broken the computer, which is why it's just like standing there. Right.

We failed this mission and we're starting to see this argument the sun is more powerful and we're foolish to fight it. Right. So they're like, this is kind of the noble way to kill ourselves is to get the full Cliff Curtis moment

of like full sun experience. Obviously, it it's incredibly effective and that he's the one who feels like he's serving a higher purpose where he's like i can't die because i have to continue serving the sun basically um but it's all good everything is and it's all very alex garland just that kind of like at a certain point something our minds will just break in the face of like unfettered nature. While they're poking around on Icarus 1, the ship's decoupled.

This is when Pimbecker has walked on to Icarus 2. A weird amount of people in my life have not understood that that's how he got on. I get that question. I don't know if, well, you guys probably don't feel a lot of Sunshine questions, but I just get that question a lot where there are people like, I don't get how did he get on the ship? He literally just walked over i sit like fucking neil crowder

at a table with a sign that says ask me questions about sunshine with a fucking cup of coffee he just walks on takers too and you know steven crowder what the fuck am i talking steven crowder it's louder with crowder go on go on go on go on go on. And so now you've got, it's Kappa, Searle, Mace, and Troy Garrity. I refuse to say his name because I don't remember it. Yeah. Harvey. Harvey, of course.

Yes. There's one spacesuit. Yes. How do we get across? Well, Mace and Rose Byrne are back in the main ship. Mace and Rose Byrne. No, no, no. Mace is on the ship. No, it's Rose Byrne and Michelle Yokor is on. Yes. They are back in the main ship Mace and Rose Byrne No no no Mace is on the ship

Rose Byrne and Michelle Yokor is on They're still on the main ship Trey's having a depression nap Essentially And the other four are on the accursed one And Harvey immediately is like Well maybe I should go over Because communications are very important

We're talking I'm the captain Yeah and he's now officially captain Because he's second in command It's kind of funny too because his equipment got cooked yeah he has like no so he has truly no purpose not really other than i guess being like a senior ranking right that's that's his argument is chain of command they're like you're meaningless yeah uh and mace is like like literally they're like putting the suit on kappa yeah and harvey's like whoa wait a second and mace is like yeah whatever he they're putting the suit on Kappa. Yeah. And Harvey's like, whoa, wait a second.

And Mace is like, yeah, whatever. He's going over. It's just such a good detail that for how much Mace kind of hates Kappa, he never fights the notion that Kappa is the most important. Never fights that. Exactly. He hates it. No.

But he's so mission-based. We have one purpose, and he is at the center of it. And then this plan is so cool of him being like, we can fucking rip up the lining of the ship, hug him, bear hug him, and use the force of the ejection to get inside. And one of them has to stay behind. Harvey immediately starts going,

oh, and it's going to be me, huh? And Cliff Curtis is like, no, it'll be me, which is a great line, the way he delivers it. But I do think Cliff Curtis is also kind of like, kind of want to go back to the room. Oh, absolutely. He took a look at that and he's like... Like an attic.

Yes. Like an attic. It's not like an ability thing. He's not an attic, to be clear. He's not an attic. You can't store coats in him. No, no, no. Cliff Curtis has no upstairs. He's not in the attic, to be clear. He's not in the attic. You can't store coats in him. No, no. Cliff Curtis has no upstairs.

He's all one level. There's no trap door. You pull a string and he opens up. No, no. Okay. Can I correct this quickly? For so long I have heard these scurrilous rumors that for 11 months out of the year, Christmas ornaments are stored within Cliff Curtis. And they are not.

They are not. And you see people, they come towards him, they're looking, they're opening his mouth. If you're a little boy and you discover millions of dollars, you can't go and hide in Cliff Curtis. And let's also make this clear. If you're Christopher Eccleston, do not climb on top of Cliff Curtis.

Oh, and drill holes in his head, and use him to look up and spy down. No, you can't do that either. That's a rude thing to do. And he tried. I've heard that story. He's one of our finest actors. So,

so, Searle is, yeah, Searle's basically like, oh, one of us has to die. I guess I'll do it. Anyway, can you guys get out of here

so I can get back to the crazy sunroom? I love that he doesn't doesn't like play the moment you're used to in these movies of like the grand sacrifice the heroic sacrifice because he's just like yeah no i'll do it i just feels like it makes sense all right but he really just he's jonesing for that fucking son um the fact that i think uh kaneda got to see it is the thing that finally breaks him. That's like burning his buns. Right. Now the notion that someone he knows got firsthand exposure and then he sees all of the dead bodies

on the observation deck. Now he's really thinking about what 100% would look like. And then his death is so great. It's getting all burned up. But they do this ejection. Yeah, there's the i think just very satisfying dramatic irony of troy garrity yes missing i'm sorry you kind of are just sort of

like yeah oh absolutely and the terrifying fate of you see they just they're off by like two percent right he hits like a wall his trajectory is thrown off by like 15 degrees over they can't get him they don't even try no kappa grabs we lost chris evans and tosses him in fucking air like a sack of potatoes yeah and then you just see him there he thinks i must be inside now that's how i've always read it because he like pulls off the face right they're like the tape yeah and I just imagine it's one of those things where it's like well you're all bundled up you thought this was gonna last five seconds you can't

you have no sense of really where you are he assumes I must be back indoors now right right and he rips his face off and then you're right he does immediately freeze it yeah yeah and does the sort of like takes one breath yeah icy eyes oh man when his leg shatters and you see the like crystallized blood oh man and they hold it for a

while like you they give you two or three shots of his body his frozen body just floating yeah knowing like he's gonna fucking hit an object and shatter it's nasty but they they make you wait for it and then they have, like, it's almost like a cartoon a little bit of having him get to the edge of the shield and just cook up like a little tiny spot.

Yes. Yeah. It's probably the most effective death in the film. Yeah. Even though all the film's death scenes are quite effective. And he's the character

you like the least. And he's the character you like and know the least and he's played by kind of the least important actor. Yeah. And no's the character you like the least. And he's the character you like and know the least, and he's played by the least important actor, and no offense to Troy Garrity. This energy now, they're back in the ship, right? Chris Evans is hypothermic.

Yeah, he's got some freezer burn. Evans plays all this stuff really well. He does. He does a very good job with the physical stuff. Boyle always talked about how mcgregor's secret skill as an actor at least in the boyle movies was how good he was at playing pain he was like he's bizarrely good at playing physical pain on screen right and you have the early setup of evans dropping the wrench into the the water cooler yeah cool and mix it up and

goes right and there's that incredible like camera shift where the camera shifts with his body as he flops onto the ground and then like his hand is right there and it's icy frozen. But he just,

he plays all the temperature really, really well and now it's like, okay, they're safe but suddenly it's like, we've lost four guys in like 12 hours. That's true.

They're down to Killian, Chris Evans, Rose Byrne, Michelle Yeoh. That's it, They're down to Killian, Chris Evans, Rose Byrne, Michelle Yeoh. That's it, right? And then the Trey question. Right. And then they have this sort of

debate over Trey where it's basically implied that Chris Evans is about to go kill him and then he just finds him dead. They've lost three guys, I guess. But they've lost three guys

in such quick... Yeah, it's three guys. Yeah, sure. And then Trey is dead. Yeah. And so they're down to four and they're like, okay, well, you know, here we go. But there's the And then Trey is dead. Yeah. And so they're down to four, and they're like, okay, well, here we go. But there's the conversation about Trey.

Yeah, I said that. There's the line I want to call out. Oh, okay. What's the line? They're all saying, like, look, there's the thing we can do. We've thought he's probably going to kill himself and we don't have to discourage him, but now time is of the essence. Maybe we push this

along. There's a penance that needs to be paid. probably going to kill himself and we don't have to discourage him. But now it's time is of the essence. Maybe we push this along. Um, there's a penance that needs to be paid. If he already wants to do it, we're helping him at all this sort of shit. And then they go to Rose Byrne and she goes, I understand what you're saying.

Right. I understand the calculation, but if you're asking for my vote, I can't give it to you. Right. Basically saying like, I'm not fighting your logic, but I do not have it within me to out loud say you should kill him.

It is a thing I cannot verbalize. Which no one really ever says out loud because they don't want to. Right. And she just says, if you're asking for my vote, I cannot give it. And Evans just sort of says like, this is happening regardless. Right. And she takes this moment and she looks at him and says, try to find kindness in it no she says make it easy for him and then she says try to find some kindness oh oh here it is i found the line okay you make it easy for him somehow find a kindness

i just think that's a profound it is a profound line although i gotta be honest if i'm chris evans i'd be like the fuck you i'm what i'm gonna give him a kit kat what are you talking about you see this ship but like big big sad eyed roseburn tired roseburn you want roseburn to say that to you i do i just think that's it when she's telling you to kill someone the situation's got so bad do it so for her absolutely situation's gotten so bad so quickly and she's just barely trying to hold on to any sense of humanity they still have i cannot argue logically i'm not going to be this bleeding heart like kumbaya yeah we can do it person i understand we're fucked but try to find some kindness uh that just hits me really hard yeah well and who who are you tag yourself you're saying you're the rose burn your rose burn tag

yourself yeah or are you pinbacker i'm less sometimes at my worst i'm pinbacker when i'm on twitter for too long i'm pinbacker uh twitter is my son why am i looking at this stop yeah you're cliff curtis actually you're like three percent your computer's like i don't recommend you're like no no no i can do it david that's very kind of you say i think recently i've been practicing cliff curtis right right right to try to make sure i don't go full 30 seconds 30 seconds yeah 30 seconds who are you ben i think i'm rosemary yeah who am i um i kind of think i want to say corazon yeah that i'm just like kind of chill yeah and i'm on my kind of think I want to say Corazon that I'm just like kind of chill and I'm on my kind of like my own

little tip my own little like I'm having my own moment but then there's just disaster all around me there's like a tinge of spirituality to her her death hurts even though she's not that crucial a character at that point like you know she you know the oxygen

garden is gone like the point is that she's finding like a little bit of life left in it but still oh man the little the little sapling yeah um but her death still hurts because it's michelle yo yeah like her getting you know well it's being with the uh not beamed but you know jabbed with this the scalpel this automatic scalpel it's so crazy It's why casting is so important in a movie like this where you just need to form really strong connections

to people immediately. But a lot of big actors would be afraid to take apart that sort of, you know, small. Because a lot of it gets into behavioral stuff. It's not having huge scenes to play.

But you need some combination of actors who the audience has some prior relationship to, like Michelle Yeoh, where they're coming in with a built-in shorthand, and people who are just distinctive, who look distinct, who sound distinct, who act distinct, who are going to stand out from each

other. You also, like, because Kaneda dies so early, she becomes the elder statesman. A little bit. As much as Michelle Yeoh doesn't want to be. Of course, but I think that all works. The fact that in real life she didn't want that part and then her character is the one who

sort of, even though Harvey will not stop reminding them that he is now the captain, you're like, everyone else is in a different age class, right? You're saying Harvey is back on opting it up? A little bit. I'm the captain now. He's smacking the table saying I'm the captain now. No, but like

Soneida and Yo are like a decade older than everyone else in the cast. Yeah. At least, right? Oh, at least. I mean, Michelle Yo at this point would have been like, sort of almost 50. Yeah.

No, like 45. Right? No, wait. It's like Evans, Burns, Evans, Burns, Murphy are all like late 20s. Cliff Curtis, Troy Garrity, 30s. Sonata and

are like the same age, practically. They were both born in the early 60s. How old is Cliff Curtis? He's one of those. He's actually closer in age to those guys.

That's what I'm saying. He's younger. He just has adult face. No, but I'm saying, no, he's 68. He was born in 1968. He's closer. He's secretly older than you think he is because he saying, no, he's 68. He was born in 1968. He's closer and he's secretly older

than you think he is because he's, you know, good looking. Like, you know, he just basically always looked the same. Yes. But yeah, he goes in to try to electric scalpel him, sees that he's already slit his wrist, and then

there's that brutal move where Chris Evans takes the blood from trey's wrists and puts them on killian murphy yeah which i mean relax me this is on your hands this is where this belongs yeah maybe maybe don't do that it's a little blunt it's fucking english 101 over here yeah also right it's a little cheesy it's like we can't even blow anything yeah but i like that they're mad the character like i don't think that's cheesy on the part of the movie Mace is such an overcranked guy If I'm Kappa, I'm like, look

I just threw your ass back into an airlock I didn't have to do that, you know Save, you know, come on You win some, you lose some, buddy So, now they're on their way to the sun Everything's gonna be okay And then you have the wonderful scare tactic To kick off the final act of the film so now they're on their way to the sun everything's going to be okay and then you have the wonderful scare tactic to kick off the final act of the film

of Kappa just chatting to the computer computer being like you're all going to die soon FYI and he's like no what do you mean there's only four of us no there's a fifth one well who is it I regret to inform you Trey has actually passed I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news sorry computer

I just and then like where he's like who be the bearer of bad news. Yeah, right. Sorry, computer. Yeah. I just, and then, like, where he's like, who's the fifth member of the ship? And the computer's just like, unknown. And you just see, like, him standing there in the observation deck. It's so good. No, and I just, I already talked about it, but I love this choice of, like, Pinbacker cannot be filmed. Cameras cannot capture him. The film just distorts around him.

Right. You see him for just seconds at a time. Yeah. It's kind of a crazy choice because Mark... It's blown out and it gets stretched out and everything.

Mark Strong is covered in makeup. Yes. They definitely, like, did work, you know. Absolute full body. Right. And yet, you barely ever can see him.

He said he based the makeup on Nicky Lauda. Yes. Who got burned up. Yes. The real Formula One racer. Yeah. But yes, no,

it's one of these incredible things where you're like, this must have been an unbelievable top-to-body, fully caked-in, fucking six hours a day makeup job that they never give you

a clear view of. Right. You barely see his face in this movie. You only see it a couple times. Even in the videos, it's often obscured. What I wonder, too,

is because I keep thinking, like, is he eating the sun? Part of me is like... You're really focused on what is his food? Sun chips. Sun chips, Ben. Exactly, Ben. Sun chips.

Capri sun. Capri sun? Okay. Yes, Capri sun. All right, now we're starting to make more sense. That would be funny if he turns around and he's just sucking on one of those Capri suns. He, like, puts the straw in really aggressively.

From the bottom, though, of course. I course i worship yeah her locker style yeah um i feel like he's emanating radiation yes like that's part of the idea of why they're uh it's literally tough to be in the same room as him yes but you know what i'm saying where he like boyle chooses to basically like break the fourth wall and be like it's the way i'm conveying his energy and how hard it is for them to perceive him in real time is i'm basically treating it like the cameras are not capable right yeah right i'm acknowledging the framework of this movie to a certain degree i love this now where we're going to spend a lot of this final act of the movie too the sort of the bomb room the payload room where

it's almost like a Borg cube yes it doesn't seem to have conventional like sort of rules of physics no like you seems like you can kind of just like fall from one side to another side and just kind of like reorient back up and it's not explained

it's it's this weird like almost mc is a big cube yes yeah it's like it's like the box he's in at the end of interstellar when he's trapped in like the in the library yeah in the loop yeah it reminds me of that and the other way i mean he's on the outside you know we have a saying in our family use sports don't let sports use you hi it's je's Jeff Merrick from 32 Thoughts to Podcast. Are you a sports parent, rep sports, travel sports, whatever you call it? If you're like me, you know that one of the great joys of having your kid or kids play sports is travel. You know, our families use sports to see different parts of the world, meet new people, and stay in a number of different places.

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just like gonna kill them all killing murphy's trying to save his two friends and save the bomb. He slashes Kappa, right? He like. Yes. Because Kappa is the one who finds him in the observation. And he kind of slashes at him. And locks the door behind him. Right. And then it's just a lot of running around.

He kills Corazon by stabbing her. Yeah. And so then it's really just Kappa, Cassie, and him. Yes. Oh, because, right. Because the other one is Mace has to go to the engine room. Yes. He's, like, lifted everything, and Mace has to put everything back in,

and Mace cuts his leg doing it, freezes, bleeds to death. Yes. And there's that tragic shot of his Teva. He's wearing the sandal. Oh, sure. Soaked in blood. No? Nobody?

I just love it. No, it's a great hero's death. I also just, I mean, it's like, it's the aliens thing, right? Where, like, you need at the beginning of the movie to show other people operating the power layer to understand how it works. This movie just sets up everything so well

where it's just like, without feeling like foreshadowing. That's what I like. It just feels like this is all world building and then, of course, of course, it's going to come down to chris evans having to go put his entire body right in this thing and then just be like do it yeah do it while he's dying yeah uh there's nothing left to do no and the murphy nightmare situation trying his hardest to get through to his friends to tell him

hey uh crazy sun man on board. Stabbing up a storm. I don't know what the warning is. Yeah. Like what you blast out there. Go into those motor scalpels. Jesus. Look out. Look out.

Look out. Now, are you aware of the bullet that was dodged at the end of this film? I don't know. Tell me. Because obviously at the end of the movie, they're all in the bomb.

There's that Rose Byrne rips off like some of Pim Backer's skin. That's fun. Brutal. That's so sick. His like whole, right. She tries to grab onto his arm and basically the arm just goes with her.

Yes. Which is great. Yeah. But, you know, at the end of the day, Kappa turns on the bomb. The bomb works.

Yes. We assume. We see the sun getting brighter he has his mind and there's this moment where this like wall of fire approaches him and he's smiling yeah you have the earlier conversation where he wakes up in the middle of the night and they compare their dreams to where he talks he's constantly having the sun right falling into the sun yeah uh yeah you know what would have been a good needle drop steal my sunshine sunshine by Len That's what I'm talking about here Not that of course

That would have been great I don't know Does she like butter tartan Danny Boyle Initially wanted to use The song Fix You By Coldplay Over this moment

Now he says He he says it, it was too cheesy. Yeah. He, you know, admits it. A Coldplay song. It was his idea, and he was the one to kill it. Correct.

Like, putting Coldplay over this did not work. However, he does say, boy, did it make me cry. Oh, God. But he will admit it was too cheesy. If they had done that, this, and I don't even dislike Coldplay in the way that... I don't know. Coldplay's got

some alright stuff. I don't care. But at this point, I had kind of gone off them. Ben thinks, they stink! Yeah! But if this movie ended with Coldplay... Parachutes is actually kind of a good album. The first two albums are pretty good. When they did with Brian Eno was alright. Who cares?

But if this ended with Coldplay, it would be 0 out of 10 F- Truly the way people talk about The last act of this film Right I'm like they're insane If Fix You was played over this Despite thinking every moment up until this point is perfect I would think this movie was garbage It would retroactively kill everything I liked about it

Somebody could easily on YouTube now Go and just like layer Fix You over Right now our listeners are racing to Final Cut to see which one of them can upload this to Twitter or Reddit first. You will be moved

watching that, but I doubt it. I think instead you'll just want to throw your laptop in the garbage. Yeah. But that was

the initial plan. Imagine. Instead we just have beautiful underworld score. Right. Like shimmery weird score. Iconic score. This movie's

lasting legacy is the score they play at this moment. I mean the main we just have beautiful underworld score like shimmery weird iconic score this movie's lasting legacy yes is the score they play at this moment i mean the main the main theme is the thing when kappa puts on the suit at the end and is trying to make it back which is such a good the seconds countdown you feeling the pressure of how hard it is to walk in that thing how slow he's moving the forces he's up against what a good movie um it is a great film and the final shot of course is the brilliant trick of they shot it in like fucking norway or whatever big frozen tundra they just put the sydney opera house in the background yes did you pick up on that ben no at the's Kappa's sister and she sees the video clip, in the background is the Sydney Opera House.

So it's supposed to be that the sun dying has made it so that Australia is frozen. It's so damn cold. Oh, no, I did not realize that at all. Right. It's subtle. I was just assuming it was some kind of structure buried in snow. Yeah. Okay. That's the state of Sydney.

Yeah. But then the sun kind of goes like, whoop. Not the state of it. I'm saying that's the current state of Sydney. I don't want people correcting me. I know it's not a state, it's a city. Listen, it feels like we've talked about this being the era where Boyle takes the hard turn to sentimentality. That turns a lot of people off. Sure.

Some dog millionaire is the next year. Right. 28 Days Later to Millions is when suddenly he starts being a little more open-hearted after early films are so nasty and misanthropic in a lot of ways, right? This, I think, is a totally earned ending, and I think it's understated,

and I find it very emotionally impactful. I agree. It's a great ending. This is Alex Garland's real wife playing Cap's sister. Yeah, sure. I believe as an animator and a filmmaker in her own right. That's cool. But yeah, it's just a perfect full circle. She's now receiving the video.

And of course, his promise he made at the beginning of like, it's going to take eight minutes to come back. Right. So if we've succeeded, you'll find out eight minutes later. Yeah. And you see the sun starting to to hit again there's there's a future there's a promise yay it was not it was all worth it masterpiece 10 out of 10 yeah pretty much uh i think so david i like prometheus it's

so good i know you love prometheus love it and i'm a prometheus defender sure i do think re-watching this movie now maybe for the first time post prometheus i was like oh this is the reason i'm a little underwhelmed by prometheus isn't because i'm negatively comparing it to alien it's because i think boyle did the modern alien sunshine is unbeatable yeah i can't deny that yeah and it's it's just so funny for that run of like all those other movies we're talking about rival interstellar gravity prometheus covenant what have you all of which i like i'm like i still think this is the best i think this is the best space movie of the 21st century sort of hard space movie you know interstellar is the one where i would struggle with the i don't know i love another movie that i obviously love as well you like it but you don't like it like i like i know

they're just you know i don't know but i mean but i i won't hear a thing against sunshine except maybe they should just call it something else fireball i like it yeah even if it played against it but this movie was hot such just that noise bomb in theaters i mean it was... Such an atomic bomb in theaters. It was a bomb, certainly, especially in the United States. The night this episode comes out, we will be screening this movie at the Metrograph, which is very cool that they were able to track down a 35mm print. Cool. I feel like this movie does not get rep screenings ever.

Do you think they're going to take my note of turning up the temperature in the theater? They're going to crank it. They're going to make it hot. Hell yeah. Get ready to sweat if you're going to that. And you've got to wear sunglasses in the theater. Yep.

But watching this movie again last night on Blu-ray, and you notoriously cursed Blu-ray. Yeah, it's like broken. It's broken. At least if you play it on certain devices, it insists doing like picture-in-picture commentary or something early days of blu-ray ben when they were trying to be like we're doing shit you could never do with dvd yeah one of their big selling points that very quickly got abandoned because people were like this was annoying right was that you could do sort of like picture-in-picture window stuff

jerry mcguire has a picture and picture commentary rather than having like sitting like this pure audio commentary basically over your movie little boxes and screens will appear with like little making of featurettes and things like that okay and the sunshine blu-ray like has an error on it where it automatically does that and you can't turn it off yeah that's annoying there's a way to fix it i believe believe. You could send your disc out. There was a replacement program where you could send in your disc and they would update it with the new one, but they shipped out so many of the faulty discs

that it's basically unplayable to watch the movie in its actual pure form, and this movie is not very popular or well-known. So the vast majority of discs that exist out there in the ether are from that first run and even when people are like on a reddit we're like the disc is out of print now because disney

owns fox and they haven't re-released this on blu-ray right and people who are like looking to buy discs are like buyer beware if you're buying a used copy of this movie nine times out of ten it's the one that's unplayable It's just a weird legacy thing of this movie that already barely has a legacy that, like, it was kind of fucked on home video. But what was I going to say? What is Boyle, man? In physical media. He's cursed.

He's so cursed. And it's bizarre considering most of his films are at the one distributor. That Fox has done him dirty that hard. And even before Disney buying them, Fox was already doing him dirty on physical media. But watching this at home last night in my corrected, updated post-mail-in Blu-ray,

I was like, I just fucking can't wait to see this in a theater again. Yeah, I'm excited to see it in a theater. Can't wait to see this in a big screen. I definitely haven't seen it in a theater since 2007. So few people ever got to see. And I even think still when I talk about this movie to people they're like when did that happen like this movie still doesn't have the cult you imagine it would have built by now when you say like

danny boyle in between 28 days later and slumdog millionaire made a space movie with this cast and it cost 40 million dollars and it has some of like the best visual effects of its decade. It looks incredible. It does look incredible. The visual effects are perfect. There's like nothing wrong with them. Yeah.

Basically, there's a lot of practical stuff. They were really smart about when they could actually just put a thing in front of a camera. Yep. But the other thing with this movie was they spent a year on the visual effects. The way you get this level of effect done on a $40 million budget is that you don't rush.

Right. Like, there's the story I'm always fascinated by because it feels like more people should follow this lesson. But Paul, a movie you hate. Awful movie. The Greg Mottola Alien movie where they have this main cgi character but it was done at like a 25 million dollar budget and i read some interview with mottola where they were like how did you get it done at that budget and he was like the answer was we shot the film we went to a good effects house and they were like we can do this at the budget you're asking for it will

take two years right because you're going to be our lowest priority project right and i think similarly with this movie they shot this film in like 2005. They shot this film in 2005. It's why this movie comes out only like basically a year before Slumdog. Yes. Which seems crazy, because Slumdog is like a fairly complicated movie.

But yeah, they shot it long ago. It has a very long post-production process, and then they sit on it even for a little while after that. With Paul, now of course in both of the circumstances we're citing, these movies came out and did poorly. Poorly. And, with Paul, now, of course, in both of the circumstances we're citing, these movies came out and did poorly. Horribly.

And with Sunshine, it may have just been, it was a tough movie to market. It didn't have, like, a huge star, blah, blah, blah, blah. With Paul, I do remember the feeling of, like, we were kind of like,

aren't we kind of done with this? Oh, absolutely. Like, genre of comedy, you know, like, it just felt a little late. I agree. I'm no Paul defender. I'm not beefing it i'm not a

the only reason i bring this up is i do think it's interesting as there's an ongoing dialogue about like vfx crunch yes and how unsustainable the marvel model and all these places that are being rushed to like change 30 of the effects six weeks before the movie comes out and you watch a film like this that looks incredible and you're like oh they got it done at one-fifth of the budget and they just took their time took their time that's all they did but you know what you gotta get this looks god-awful paul sucks yeah oh paul oh it's it's the worst paul literally been and greg directed confess flash yeah no he's directed other good movies there's no question What other movies? You know he had just done Superbad Adventureland

Yeah Adventureland's good Like exactly Paul was the beginning of a bad run for him Dang Then he does Keeping Up with the Joneses Well in between he did Clear History on HBO Oh it was fun I think it's pretty fun

Yeah It's really just Paul and Keeping Up with the Joneses Where it's like Your vibe is not action comedy Like you know You really just should just do these kind of low-key comedies, right? Can I say this thing about Paul quickly? And then we're going to move on from

Paul. It was the same, like, Working Titlehood produced the two Edgar Wright Hot Fuzz movies, right? Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead. And they were like, what's your third movie? And Edgar Wright was like, I'm going to go off

and do Scott Pilgrim. Right. Which took him a long time. Right. So Simon Pegg and Nick Frost were like, at some point, Edgar Wright's going to come back.

We're going to make the third film in our trilogy. Right. We sort of want to do a third movie together. And also probably just agents were like, guys, what do you got?

You guys are hot stuff. Like, come on. The story with Paul, I swear to God, is near a park. The producer at Working stuff. Like, come on. The story with Paul, I swear to God, is near a park. The producer at Working Tell was like, come on, come up with something. What's the third movie? What's the third movie for you two guys? And

Simon Pegg, like, as a joke, drew the dumbest thing he could think of, which was cartoon stick figures of the two of them, round, almond-eyed alien, and then he just wrote Paul and had to arrow point to him. He's like, I don't know, it's a movie. It's the two of us, Paul eyed alien and then he just wrote paul and had to arrow point to him he's like i don't know it's a movie it's two of us paul like he was joking like what would be the dumbest movie poster i could come up with and she was like yeah we'll green light this yeah truly the origin

of that movie is him being like oh what if we just had an alien named paul like he was creating like a fake funny people poster well he should he dood. That he doodled. And I've seen the actual drawing. It's terrible. Sure. And she was like, I'm serious. We should make Paul. They shouldn't.

She was wrong. She was incredibly wrong. And Nearpark has produced a lot of good movies. Yeah, and that's why Trump got elected. Box office. This one came out in America

on July 20th, 2007. It comes out like the same weekend as Transformers. Well, it... On 10 screens. It comes out like the same weekend as Transformers. Well, it... On 10 screens. It comes out on 10 screens. It's not Transformers, though. It's not? Okay.

I mean, Transformers is out. Look, you just said number four, which was Transformers. Okay. Oh, Transformers was 4th of July that week. They had Big Willie weekend. But yeah, it comes out on 10 screens. Not sure why that was the move.

Just heat of the summer, they're giving this sci-fi action film a platform release. They're giving it a Fox Searchlight platform release, which is something you do in the fall. You could have released this film

in September on like a thousand screens, and it probably would have done okay with no competition. Look, almost anything would have done better because what they do the next week is they beef it up to 460 screens.

Yeah. That doesn't go very well because that weekend, it's against like, I mean, you know, like the Simpsons movie. Sure. You know.

This was a big ass summer. Yeah. And then they just pretty quickly are like, forget it. And it just, you know, by three weeks later, it's in like 40 screens. What's the final total

on this domestically? 3.6 million dollars. It's even higher than I thought it was. And made 32 worldwide. It made more in the uk but it still lost money overall didn't do great no um number one at the box office this is new it's a comedy it's a new comedy 2007 july Superbad isn't until August. Superbad has not come out yet. Yeah.

This is a movie star comedy. I would say it's one of his worst. It's not a Will Ferrell. No. It's not Jim Carrey. No. But of that tier of guy, it's not a black. This is pre-Apitau Takeover.

It is. It's one of his worst. Oh, I think I know what it is. Is it a film I rewatched recently? I think it is. Is it I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry? The gay firefighters, but they're not gay. No.

Maybe it's okay to be gay, but I'm not gay. It's good for other people, but not me. I did it for benefits. Yeah. Adam Sandler, Kevin James. A Dugan picture. A Dugan picture. It's opening to $34 million on its way to $119 million.

This is when... A perfectly healthy run. Just Sandler was invincible. It didn't matter what the fuck it was. It would always make $130 million domestic, basically. Correct. What happens at the end of that movie? Do they both marry, like, Salma Hayek or something?

He marries Jessica Biel. Right, Jessica Biel. Right. She's the lawyer, right? She's like the, you guys have a good case here. Yes. And her brother's gay, so she's an ally. Kevin James remains a sad widow.

What happens? They kiss on the, no, they don't kiss. They kiss at an earlier point. They have to appeal in front of Congress, and they... Oh, God, you know how that fucking movie ends, David? I've seen the ending, and I forgot. They get called out for faking it. Right.

And all their other, like, fireman buddies who have turned on them and become really homophobic do a, I am Spartacus. I'm gay. No, I'm gay. God. And they all pretend to be gay in the courtroom So that they're basically like you would have to

Fire all of them We have to stop talking about this I now pronounce it Chuck and Larry Goodving Reims performance that's all I'll say Do they pronounce them though Chuck and Larry No what's weird is they pronounce it Chuck and Lurie Weird Ben didn't like that

They pronounce it Chuck andcan-lurry. Oh, you're doubling down. Number two at the box office. Like pronounce, because they're saying I now pronounce you like man and wife,

and I made it a joke about the way you pronounce words. Just cut it out. True-can-lurry. Number two at the box office is a major franchise film.

Okay. Live Free or Die Hard? No, that is number six So you know that's out there It's the second weekend of it It's already made 207 million dollars Wow I think it's one of the better entries

In this eight film franchise Eight Yes it's also the first in this franchise Directed by this director who becomes kind of a mainstay Interesting, it's also the first in this franchise directed by this director who becomes kind of a mainstay. Interesting. So it's not Justin Lin. No. It's an eight film franchise. Can you tell me what number it is? Five.

This is five out of eight. And this guy stays on. Oh, it's the Potter. It's Order of the Phoenix. Order of the Phoenix. Order of the Phoenix. Order of the Phoenix. Order of the Phoenix? Order of the Phoenix, Harry Potter. Order of the Phoenix, Harry. You're a phoenix, Harry. It's Order of the Phoenix, isn't it? The worst.

I wish I was Order of the Phoenix. Order of the Phoenix is David Yates taking over after the- The worst. Quite- It's terrible. It's terrible. What you're doing is terrible. I'm not pronouncing for glory, isn't it?

All right, that's better. what you're doing is terrible I'm not pronouncing for glory that's better and like I feel like that book is this like very like that's where J.K. Rowling starts to go kind of insane and that book is like loaded with all kinds of weird axe grinding

that she has about various things which is weird because she never has that vibe otherwise she never like just sort of like digs a hole and refuses to get out I mean it's, it's not... There's interesting stuff. And I feel like he seizes on that and he's like,

let's make this a little more real world, a little more tactile, a little more political. It's a beautiful looking movie. It looks incredible. I mostly like that movie a lot. Is that Philippe Rousseau? I don't know.

Whatever. Del Bonel shot the sixth one. I can't remember who shot the fifth one. Oh, maybe it was Bruno Bruno shot that one as well is Dobby in it Dobby's not in that I don't like it they cut Dobby out of a lot of the films

Zlávomir Idziak another great cinematographer shot it they good they would get really like top of the line crew guys for all those movies basically

anyway so that movie's doing great but it was one of those weird they did it in the summer Potter usually better as a winter franchise but that was the year a few of them in the summer but that was the year where it was uh no i'm getting this wrong this was the 2009 thing what potter was supposed to come out in thanksgiving you're talking about 2006 potter six yes which they also dropped and it was the cover of entertainment weekly as the fall movie preview and the week the cover came out they were like we're pushing it to next summer

and the reason was because dark knight was so successful if they had released dark knight and harry potter in the same year there was like some tax problem it was like next year we're gonna take a loss like we will the The drop off will be so steep. If we have Harry Potter and Batman in the same year, we need to separate. What you're hearing here is that Hollywood has always been well run. Always well run. Number three at the box office. My brain is broken.

Why do I remember these things? Yeah, why do you remember that? Number three at the box office is a musical. It's opening. The film is Hairspray. It's opening to $27 million. Good opening. Which is solid.

But then it multiplies. It has a great. Motherfucker. Yeah, it was a big hit. Great film my opinion i agree the best adam shankman movie and i say that as someone who is in an adam shankman you are in an adam shank movie but hairspray is better far in a way that's his best it is his best film and it has universally incredible performances yeah but one but one it's a shame because everyone else in that movie is fucking i I think Travolta just does not work in them. I think it's calamitous.

I mean, I... Travolta's performance in that movie feels like Pinbacker. I get what they were thinking. It feels like the camera can't capture what he's doing. And obviously, like,

they're trying to do the Broadway thing, but it just doesn't work. No, and I think... In the original movie. I think he makes this catastrophic decision of, like,

oh, I'm not going to do it like a drag performance. I want to try to play it like a real woman yeah i'm gonna try and play this like sort of sensitive lady right and i think it's like you're fucking josh revolta this is you know this was a john waters thing makeup is terrifying it's like you need to go camp with that performance and his attempt at making it a sensitive realistic thing is a failure but everyone else in that movie is amazing marsden's amazing uh queen latifah failure. But everyone else in that movie is amazing. Marsden's amazing. Queen Latifah's amazing. Everyone else in it.

Zac Efron. They all work. Elijah Kelly Jr. is so good in that movie. Yeah, Michelle Pfeiffer. Even Bynes. The whole thing. The whole thing. Bynes is possibly going to be a big movie star. Yeah, that's the end of that period.

Pretty much right there. That is the end. When's What a Girl Wants? Before. What did a girl wants before what did a girl want uh to start her own film above the title sorry what i said meth okay all right that was mean number four back yeah take it back number four at the box office keep it in triple no don't do that no no don't do that okay listen to me alex don't do that stop saying that because

he does it you have to stop saying i. Stop saying that because he does it. You have to stop saying it because he does it. I forgot that he actually does it. He does it. He did it the last time and he's going to do it again if we don't stop him. Number four, as you said, is Transformers, which is a huge hit. Yeah, it's kind of the breakout of the summer. It's not the highest grossing, but it's the one that... It did so well.

Yeah, you're right. It was somewhat of a... Is that going to work? It's the quote unquote original film That performs at the level of the three And people wonder why Hollywood's gone mad Number five at the box office Is a film we've covered on this podcast

It is a perfect masterpiece One of the best films of the year It's an animated film It's Ratta Tootie The Little Rat opens a restaurant He's a chef It's an animated film. Oh, Ratatouille. It's Ratatouille. Now, David, question for you. The Little Rat opens a restaurant. He's a chef. This is week three or four?

It's week four of Ratatouille. What's it up to? $165 million out of 206. It's, you know, mostly done. Why do you ask? No, no. It was a good multiple. Because people were worried that was going to be their first flop.

And it opened to 50. And it did over 200. It did four times its opening weekend. It did. It did very well. And it's obviously... And he's a good rat. Right.

And we've put it into Fort Knox. Everyone has agreed that it's one of the crowning achievements of humanity. Right. David, my question for you is... What's that? 2007, I think, is thought of as the last... It's a great year for him. humongous movie year right it was the 99 of the 2000s we maybe didn't

have a year that clearly big in the 2010s it's the year with Zodiac There Will Be Blood No Country for Old Men Ratatouille Michael Clayton what else Knocked Up Juno Into the Wild Assassination of Jesse James

what else a lot more much much like uh 1999 it's a year where you have a lot of big directors all making one of their biggest films yeah yeah sure and and a lot of big kind of cultural seismic movie a wolf charlie wilson's worth a bucket list i mean hit after hit so we've covered a norbit we've covered a fair number of 2007 films we have we have i'm just curious because i know you have this spreadsheet fucking locked in where does sunshine factor in your spreadsheet in a very competitive year you want you want to know what nominations it got yeah picture where would you put it in your 10 in my top 10 of this year yeah don't yell at me no i have it fifth okay behind zodiac there will be

blood no country for old men and ratatouille no i think there's four movies i adore as much as i think it's probably five for me after some combination of zodiac no country ratatouille and uh michael clayton clayton i have sixth right i i put this ahead of there will be blood but i like there will be blood less than other PTAs. Milkshake. Do you know that he drinks the milkshake? He drinks it up.

I drink it up. Fuck off. No, I won't. Now they're fighting? I drink your milkshake. Fuck off. That would be good if Succession Season 4

was like, there's a new investor on the horizon. It's Daniel Plainview. I'm an oil man. Right. God, remember when that was just's Daniel Plainview. I'm an oil man. Right. God, remember when that was just... We got to pivot to technology.

I like oil. Streaming is the future. What about oil? Yeah, my top 10 of that year is Zodiac, Blood, Men, Rat, Sun, Clayton, Knocked Up, We Own the Night, Eastern Promises, and The Host. The bong movie.

Just an embarrassment of riches. An embarrassment of riches. There are movies I adore that are outside the top 10, such as Paprika, the Satoshi Kon movie. Jesse James, I think, is great. James firmly in my 10. Juno, I love. I do, too.

Lust, Caution, I love. Yes. Death Proof, 310 to Yuma. These are movies I really like. Just fun. Red Road, Into the Wild. Ocean's 13. Transformers is a masterpiece like. It's fun. Red Road. Into the Wild. Ocean's 13. Transformers is a masterpiece.

The first Transformers is a masterpiece. No, I'm seeing here that I have it between National Treasure Book of Secrets and Rain Over Me. Right, so you have it between 6 and 7. But this is also a year of some big swings that miss, like Spider-Man 3. My Blueberry Nights, which is like the only one kind of movie that didn't work for me ever, pretty much. Yeah. The Golden Compass, God Bless You, Chris,

but that movie, you know, swings and misses. Yeah, it's a weird year. It's a weird year, but it's a big year. It just feels like a good microcosm of everything that was happening in film. What other nominations do you give it? Oh, Jesus. Sorry, Sunshine? Well, I don't give it an acting nomination okay i don't know who i would give an acting nomination from this movie

yeah because it's such an ensemble where like i think everyone's functioning so well but like is there a standout you pick i don't know i mean you know and it's a pretty loaded year like rose burn yeah she's not going to displace this five but then you do like director screenplay all the tech categories exactly exactly it's all over my text i mean jesus you want to score that score that score um yeah yeah exactly and the production design of this movie is incredible. Yeah. Like, you know, the sets are very beautiful. The visual effects, the editing. Yeah. No, I love this movie. But it is, as you say, a great year for movies.

Yeah. Yeah. I just think it's, you know, Jesse James is a movie that was a little ignored in its moment, but yet still got two Oscar nominations and I think now has grown the reputation it deserved at the time. two Oscar nominations, and I think now has grown the reputation it deserved at the time.

Sunshine is the movie of 2007 that I think is still kind of simmering below the surface. A little bit. Less caution than the other one. Those are the two films I feel like deserve to be talked about.

Norbit? I should give Norbit another rewatch. I gotta say, after that Jack and Jill screening at Nighthawk, I'm like, am I wrong about every movie I've ever disliked? No, Jack and Jill is good. Jack and Jill is a masterpiece. Norbit another rewatch I gotta say after that Jack and Jill screening at Nighthawk I'm like am I wrong about every movie I've ever Jack and Jill is good

Norbit has some funny moments but Norbit is fundamentally lacks what Jack and Jill has which is like the emotion of Norbit is fucking nonsense I remember Norbit feeling a little evil too exactly it's Brian Robbins there's this like weird cynical core

Norbit himself is not a real character No You're just like this guy sucks Have you seen Norbit? No Okay fine You want us to be done huh? No I've never seen Norbit

I'm joking Ben's gotta go to the dentist I do I gotta get cleaned up I've heard of David after dentist but Ben before dentist? The thing that I have heard of in the past is David after dentist.

Now that's like an indie film or something? It was a YouTube video where the kid is... Oh yeah, the kid's like in the car and he's like... Anesthesia. That's like an early viral video. So the joke was that your name is david yeah that video is called david after dentist i mean that's on paper it's a good joke

in fact we're now dealing stinker for the look i'm the icarus one i tried to drop the payload i went insane oh boy i got crispy like yeah you have a video where you're like, David after... It makes sense. David after Dentist. It's the title of a video. One of the hosts is David. They're like, why is his face scarred? I'm going to win the Mark Twain

Prize in Humor this year. This is it. This is my moment. This is one of those episodes that we just immediately decide the second we finally come into doing Boyle. No fucking guest. Every once in a while,

there's one fucking Miami miami vice or hulk or whatever we're like we have so much goddamn shit to say like ben before dentist how dare we cede mic time to anyone else um uh everyone go watch sunshine it's a great film yeah next week on blankank Check, Slumdog Millionaire, the film he won Best Picture for. Mostly as an apology for this film. Yeah, kind of. But not even like... People love Slumdog. But to me, I was like, wow, the guy made Sunshine.

Yeah, no. Give him his Oscar. No, I feel like when Benjamin Button gets the Best Picture nomination the same year as Slumdog, that felt like it was an apology for ignoring Zodiac. Oh, totally. Whereas Sunshine, I think people were still like, what? When did he make that? Yeah, well, he sure did. I mean, it didn't come

out in this country, practically. No, it barely did. It's got a limited release. Ben, any final thoughts? Sun, hot. Hot. Crispy. You gonna keep it crispy? Yeah absolutely

Laser accuracy Remember him? Who's that? Pete Holmes He said laser accuracy? He used to say it all the time I forgot that part of it Keep it crispy I obviously remember

Do you know what Ram Dass used to say? I just remember at the end of the episodes Do you want to say keep it crispy say? Oh my god. I just remember at the end of the episodes of those podcasts he'd be like, do you want to say keep it crispy? And usually they'd be like, yeah. And then someone like Jessel Nick is like, no. And then he goes, ah ha ha ha! Right, that would always be the moment. Where he'd be like, Liam Neeson, can you say

keep it crispy? Keep it crispy. Of course you should be keeping it crispy. You would always, Pete Holmes would just cackle. Crazy cackling. Podcast, baby. Podcast. It's our industry. Yep. Three pod bros right here. God, Marie sent me Pete Holmes would just cackle crazy cackling podcast baby it's our industry three pod bros right here Marie sent me a fucking New York Times article

the dating hazard of pod bros or something like that what was the headline something like that and I was just like this is the last thing I need right now in my personal life too bad pod bro so I've decided to and I did this in the text i just want to clearly announce it now

to our listeners i'm officially branding myself as a pod gentleman ah very good i am no pod bro i'm a pod gentleman thank you david he doffs the cap to me and i doff the cap right back yes right gilded age over here uh tune in next week for some dog millionaire still on accidental you made it weird of course who was the last person to make it weird at the time of this recording joe rogan no joe lo joe latrulio oh who of course played paul physically well they when they shot paul he really he did that poor guy had to be on set he did they were like by the way Seth Rogen's voice in this alien oh god because he's in the movie as the

yeah he gets to you know you know what I'm sorry folks I'm getting breaking news here tune in next week for Paul nope

nope Paul episode nope Paul cast nope should we have Pete on the show yeah

I would happily have Pete I used to really love him I mean is he gonna make it too weird no I can't have I mean is it gonna make it too weird no I can't have it weird gonna make it too weird I won't this is an aggressively normal show

thank you all for listening to us talk about sunshine an episode we've been waiting eight years to do and it worked yeah we saved the Sun thank you to me party Yeah We saved the sun Thank you to Marie Barty I was not in the episode

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