Blank Check with Griffin & David - Terminator 2: Judgement Day with Sam Rogal

Episode Date: October 16, 2016

Sam Rogal (Magnet Theatre) joins Griffin and David to discuss the 1991 hit sequel Terminator 2: Judgement Day. But do the special effects still hold up over twenty years later? What influenced the decision to make Arnold Schwarzenegger a good robot? Did Planet Hollywood ever serve a dish called pasta la vista? Together they examine the performances of Robert Patrick and Linda Hamilton, the comical amount of people shot in the knees, Arnold’s post hits career and lava in the 90’s.

blank check with griffin and david blank check with griffin and david don't know what to say or to expect all you need to know is that the name of the show is blank check okay ready yeah i thought it was way more complicated i thought it was going to be more complicated than I thought it was, but it's really simple. Now you're going to be angry at me when you hear how simple it is. I now know why you podcast. I'm not angry. I'm thrilled. Come with me if you want to podcast.

Yeah, that's what I thought you were going to do. Podcast la vista, baby. Hasta la podcast, baby. That was almost the title for this miniseries. Hasta La Podcast Baby or Podcast La Vista? I think we talk about Podsta La Vista. Podsta La Vista. That was a close contender was Podsta La Vista.

Oh, God. We were like five minutes before starting an episode just like, oh, what the fuck are we going to call it? And just started yelling lines at each other. Did Planet Hollywood Ever have a dish Called pasta la vista They might They probably did

Right Hey everybody My name's Griffin I'm David Sims This is a podcast Called Blank Check With Griffin and David Yes

You don't have to explain Who the Griffin and David are Because we just did that Those are our names We go through Director We have early success There's a food truck called pasta la vista baby with no affiliation to arnold to the governator specializing in traditional and

authentic italian cuisine from salads to sandwiches and of course pasta baby that's what the website says uh i was doing a very formal introduction yeah Yeah, blank checks and they bounce. Yeah, James Cameron. Well, you skipped a couple steps there. People won't understand. That won't track. Yeah, definitely. Early success.

Get blank checks to make crazy movies. Sure. We do miniseries. Different directors. We're currently on our James Cameron miniseries, which is not titled Pods De La Vise Cast. No, it's got a great title that everyone loves. Podinator colon Judgment Cast.

You can't even get through it without laughing. Because I'm having a fun time. I'm going, whoo-hoo-hoo. Exactly. What a fun time. One of my good friends, Alex Perlin, I made a joke that he still to this day says is the funniest thing I will ever say. Sure.

I'll be the judge of that. Get ready to laugh. We were walking by Planet Hollywood in Times Square and they had a Freddy vs. Jason promotion. Sure. And he was like what is a Freddy vs. Jason promotion? Jason? What is a Freddy vs. I have to nail this

joke. Go ahead. What is a Freddy vs. Jason promotion entail? And I went I don't know. Spaghetti vs. Lobster. What does a Freddy versus Jason promotion entail? And I went, I don't know. Spaghetti versus lobster. What on earth is happening? Spaghetti versus lobster. It's one of those

antagonistic entrees. When a battle is waged on your plate, whoever wins, you're full. You're full. Alright, that was funny. Thank you.

I like that. Today we're talking about the Podstilovice cast itself. We're talking about the titular film of our miniseries. Terminator 2 Judgment Day. This is the big day. This is always the lunar eclipse of our podcast is when we get to the titular film. And oh boy.

Whoa Nelly. Whoa Nelly. I mean you know in anyone else's career this would be the biggest film they had ever made. I mean yeah. For sure. It's still one of the biggest films ever made. But dude just kept on topping himself off. We have a very special guest here

to talk with us about the movie. Yes, we do. He's one of my oldest friends. One of my best friends. He is an improviser, comedian of many sorts all around New York City. Performs regularly with the team Metal Boy. At the Magnet Theater. That's sort of the big house. Yeah. Metal Boy.

Metal Boy. And this movie's about a metal man. It's true. Two metal men. Yep. Yep. Yeah. We had a metal boy. Metal boy. And this movie's about a metal man. It's true. Two metal men. Yep. Yep. Yep. All right. Carry on. Now you know why I'm here.

Yeah. Now you know why we cry. Yeah. But here's the biggest credit. And I don't want to bury this, okay? Oh, okay. He is part of the original four-person consortium that created the parameters and the rules for Comedy Points. Yeah, the founding fathers.

The founding fathers. You know, since I've been listening to the podcast and hearing you guys talk about Comedy Points, I've tried to remember its inception. Okay, so we're going to get into this. I'm going to introduce you, and then we're going to get into this because this is very important. Okay. So he's part of the original Mount Pointsmore. Myself, Patrick May, Alejandro Collini, and our very

special guest today, Sam Rogow. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much for being here. Very excited. This is one of my favorite movies of all time. Yeah, it's a great picture. It's one of the best talkies we've ever gotten. Absolutely. Now I don't remember the exact moment. We did an annual trip every year to visit friends of ours in Toronto that we called

Man Party. Do you still do that or do you not anymore? It's been hard. Schedules have been tough. It's a development hell. I remember Griffin tweeting from a Man Party recently-ish, like a couple years ago. We didn't do one yet. This year.

No, I think it was- 15 was the last one. And it seemed like a disaster. Well, it always is. I mean, that's kind of the bit of Man Party is that we tweet about like getting ready for it

as if it's gonna be this like huge fucking like Coachella kind of awesome like kind of loving kind of thing and then it's always just within like 12 hours

of us landing us tweeting about being miserable I would say it's like a blank check film 100% where there's like a lot of money goes in

a lot of money they get more expensive every year it's like a blank check film 100% where there's like a lot of money goes into it a lot of hype they get more expensive every year it's true we always did talk about it as a franchise yeah and trying to branch out because we did a couple spin-offs

we did Manmerica there was Manifornia which I was not part of it was just me and Ali but it was kind of like the Kardashian mothership which then has like Khloe and Kourtney go west or whatever. Guys, this is all great, but let's never speak of it again.

So let's talk about the important thing here, which is comedy. For fuck's sake. Okay. So in one of the rides up, somehow that came up. I think. All I remember. Yeah. All I can take credit for is I was definitely the one who came up with the rules.

Yeah. Well, and here's the thing. Isn't the rule basically like you can't keep track? There are more. Because we play pretty fast and loose here. You guys don't play by the rules. On the show. But Sam is a very organized person.

Yeah. Sam believes in structure. He's the James Cameron of Man Party. Sure. And he establishes the rules. It was like, because it's four comedians in like a 12-hour car ride and a lot of fucking jokes are happening. Everyone's trying to one-up each other. And it sort of got to this point where it was like because it's four comedians in like a 12-hour car ride and a lot of fucking jokes are happening everyone's trying to one-up each other and it sort of got to this point where

it was like rather than laughing because we might not have the energy to laugh or we're hungover whatever the fuck it is you can hand someone a comedy point yeah i get that it's like a fave right and then the rules were established that you could you could give between one and three comedy points yeah is that correct yeah but pat may the fourth member of mount points more was the only one who could give more than three. He could give five. Yeah. Since then, I mean, the rules have gone out the window. Now it's anyone can get anything. But then the

other key rule was, of course, you cannot keep track. If you know how many comedy points you have. That seems very crucial. Right? Yeah. The whole thing falls apart. Yeah, it doesn't work. Now, later we got into the point of being able to tax people comedy points for a bad bit. But that was always very hotly contested Yeah because then where are they going?

Right That's what taxing is, is you're collecting it somewhere Right, but then it became like you couldn't subtract comedy points but you could give someone negative comedy points It was something like that So did you know that on cable television he was given comedy points? I heard of it You told me about this and it made me so happy And it was my fault.

I didn't even know that I was interfering and mount points more or whatever. I mean, it's amazing. It was incredible. He gave you too many, though. How many did he give you? I think he gave me five, and he's not five. I think I told him to give you ten, but I may have just... Oh, maybe he gave me ten.

I'm going to check my DMs right now. Yeah, slide into those DMs. I'm going to slide into the DMs with Andy. I mean, there was always also this gray area about whether. I said 10. If he gave you less, then he was really fucking with you. Then you didn't do a great job. I didn't deserve more, honestly.

There was also the thing with comedy points about whether you could dap someone some points. Because the thing was always a comedy point would happen with a handshake. I mean, we made rules and they were all meant to be broken. But it was always the handshake was the transfer of the comedy points. And then the dapping was sort of equivalent to a handshake. I mean, we made rules and they were all meant to be broken. Right. But it was always the handshake was the transfer of the comedy points and then the dapping was sort of equivalent to a credit card. Yeah. If you didn't want to reach out the hand, you could dap someone some points for later. You know, I really

just pray to God that we don't speak of this anymore. I just pray to Almighty God. I have a question. Who's this? Oh my God. Hey. Wait a second. Hold on. It's Ben. Hi. It's Ben? Hi? Yeah. Ben Hosley? Yeah. Hold on. It's Ben. Hi. It's Ben? Hi? Yeah.

Ben Hosley? Yeah. Hey. Producer Ben? That's right. Ben Ducer? Yeah. Mr. Hositive?

Yeah. The Poet Laureate? I will. I was going to- The Fuckmaster? I just thought I- Birthday Benny? Could I- The Tiebreaker?

Yeah. You're not Professor Crispy, right? White Hot Benny. No, no, no. You are White Hot Benny, though? Yeah, I guess. I don't know. That's a- Yeah, sure. That, no, no. You are White Hot Penny, though? Yeah, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, sure.

That's a new one. And how do we say hi to you? We'll greet you with a hello fennel. What would be a salutation? A hearty hello fennel. Are you our finest film critic? You guys seem to think so. I mean, sure.

No, I've heard a rumor. Yeah? I need to run this by you if you can confirm or deny that you have graduated to certain titles as a result of different miniseries. Okay, yeah. I can do that. That is true. No.

Yeah, it's true and I can do it. Let me run a couple by you and see if they're real. Okay. Producer Ben Canove? Yes. Jesus Christ. That's because that's based around we did a Star Wars miniseries. Kylo Ben, don't drag this out.

Right, and that's the new Star Wars movie. Ben Night Shyamalan? Yeah, because we did something about M. Night Shyamalan. Ben Say? Right, and that's the Wachowski series. Ben Night Shyamalan? Yeah, because we did something about M. Night Shyamalan. Ben's 8? Right, and that's the Wachowski series. Right. Benny Lane or Save Anything? You know, we should settle this.

Benny Lane is out. Save Anything. Save Anything? Wait, it's happening? I think let's fucking do it. Breaking news. Breaking news. Yeah, let's just do it.

Oh, shit. You know what? We ignored the fans before we could do it again. We can't acknowledge this on the Abyss podcast, which we are going to record tomorrow. Okay, good. We can't do it. Okay.

I will leave that in. The surprise is for this podcast. So when you listen to this podcast, then go back and listen to the Abyss episode and be blown away by the quality of our performances. Oh, God. What crisp acting. Because we're going to act. Hey, you sound like you're fishing to be Professor Crispy

with a line like that. Say Ben anything. Hey, what's up, Ben Hosler? Yeah. He's here. I guess we need to think of a Cameron name for him soon. I already forgot the point I was going to make. Oh, yeah.

What was your question? How do you feel about Chris Hardwick? Sort of. Points. Yeah, moving into that real estate. We were before that. Guys. I'm not going to say he stole it from us,

because I have no evidence of that, and it's almost impossible that that is true, but we did come up with this concept before. But you didn't come up with the concept of points. He's not giving comedy points. He's giving points. But he's giving points for comedy. That's the gray area.

No, it's not a gray area. It's very different. It's very different. I just think that specificity is the key giving points for comedy. Right, that's the gray area. No, it's not a gray area. It's very different. It's very different. I just think that specificity is the key of all gray comedy. Here's what I'm mad about. The nightly show with Larry Wilmore was canceled, which is bullshit. I was a big fan of that show. They did not keep it 100. Comedy Central did not keep it 100.

But that means for a while, Comedy Central moved at midnight to the 1130 slot. Yeah. What? At midnight. Why call it at midnight? It's in the name. Why shackle yourself to that? I know.

That was actually a weird choice. Really dumb. They should have just called it at night. There was that thing before. Yes. Shorter. Yes. When Colbert left before the nightly show happened, they were talking about moving it

to 1130 and they were like, but we can't do that. It's at midnight. Also, the fact that it was called The Nightly Show was weird. I mean, it was going to be called The Minority Report and then they were going to get sued by Fox or whatever. But I don't like that there's a daily show immediately followed by a nightly show. That feels weird. If it was 1130 a.m. and then noon, maybe you could convince me. Some other time, some other forum, we're going to have to discuss in length.

There will be an epic tome written someday about how badly Comedy Central managed replacing The Daily Show. Yeah, that's true. There'll be like a Bill Carter-esque, late shift-esque book. I love that movie. Yeah. Hey, Treat Williams, we talked about him a couple weeks ago. Oh, you haven't probably listened to it. You told me where you're at in the pod. I'm that movie. Treat Williams, we talked about him a couple weeks ago. You haven't probably listened to it. You told me where you're at in the pod. I'm not saying anything.

I don't think you got to our discussion of Treat Williams' performance of Michael Ovitz in the movie The Late Shift. It's great. Do you think they should do the second book and have someone play Conan? Who would play Conan? The joke's Tilda Swinton. The real answer is probably, height's important. Vince Vaughn?

No. Come on. Vince Vaughn oh no too fast Vince Vaughn is twice the mass of Conan I'm trying to think of guys who are over 6 feet tall and then okay

you could trick that a little you know who's over 6 feet oh I got a good answer okay Zach Woods oh he might be good he might be good right Zach Woods

I mean you gotta get the coloring you know the hair but like he's got the paleness and I think he's got a similar energy and lengthiness he could be really good just put a green skull cap on him and digitize that hair you know, the hair, but like, he's got the paleness and I think he's got a similar energy and lankiness. He could be really good.

Just put a green skull cap on him and digitize that hair. You know who else is over six feet tall? Yes. You know who else is over six feet tall? Peter Sutherland?

True, yes. Congratulations on the ticket. Oh, I think I know. That's great news, by the way, Griffin. Oh, I know where this is going. I know where this is going. Arnold Schwarzenegger,

the star of Terminator 2, Judgment Day. Great. Can I tell you where I thought this was going? Where'd you think it was going? David L. Yeah. The star of Terminator 2, Judgment Day. Great. Can I tell you where I thought this was going? Where'd you think it was going? David Elson. I am over six feet tall.

This is true. In fact, Arnold Schwarzenegger's height, who wants to hazard a guess? I think he's only like 6'2". Yeah, I think he's, I don't think he's super tall. 6'1"?

Bingo. 6'2". He's listed at 6'2". I am 6'3". I am taller than Arnold Schwarzenegger. You could beat him in a fight. Dwayne Johnson, 6'4", which is for some reason comes up when I Google his height. Also told me Dwayne Johnson.

I'd say he's the modern replacement. He is, but it's not. It's very different. It's different. It's a sign of how culture has changed. But he is a big star. He's filling that slot that Schwarzenegger used to fill. He is.

And I feel like when 2000-ish rolled around, people started asking that question, like, who's the next Arnie? And the answer was like, well, there's not really going to be a next Arnie. But there's going to be people like him. Arnie was a time and a place thing. And I think you look at how much more Dwayne Johnson has to do to equal the sort of cultural impact of Schwarzenegger

where it was like Schwarzenegger would have a movie like every other year and it was a fucking event. In fact, in fact, I'm going to talk to you about so we talked

Schwarzenegger never would have done ballers is the big point. Probably not. You know? Well, it's weird that he does ballers. It's really weird that he does ballers. Day and age of, you know, TV everywhere and people doing all kinds of shit. It's odd that he does ballers. It's really weird that he does ballers. day and age of, you know, TV everywhere

and people doing all kinds of shit. It's odd that he does ballers. Yeah. Which is a creepy show. Really creepy. Well, it's like Entourage

but football, right? I've never seen an episode. toxic masculinity like in Define. At least in Entourage, they were making fun of the, well,

Entourage is pretty indefensible. It's like HBO had a meeting with their executives and went like, could we come up with a version of Entourage that Griffin would like even less? And they were like, sports. Yeah, it's very true. That's the only thing we had them on board with. This men's rights thing has really taken off. What do you think, guys?

It's great. This is great. I'm so glad we had Rachel on the Terminator episode to slap us down once in a while. All right. We got some good slapping going on. Okay. So I'm just going to give you, we talked about the Terminator on this podcast, on this pod, you might call it.

I did skip ahead and listen to that episode. Oh, fair. Just to get some context. And you rewatched the Terminator. And I rewatched one and two in preparation for this. Fair call. Okay. So did you like Terminator 1?

Good move. I like Terminator 1. I think that it is, Griff and I were talking a little bit before, it's very much a product of the 80s. Sure. And it feels like an 80s sci-fi horror. It feels like a very good one.

It does, it does. But it feels a little, and it feels small. Like when you watch T2, it feels small. T2 is huge. It's very big. It feels fucking big.

And here's the thing, even when- And I like it, Ben. I was waiting for Ben. Well, my other question is, are you guys doing T2 3D The Ride? No. We can't. We can't watch it. Yeah, I like-

There's, like, versions on YouTube, but they are completely inscrutable. Because I just want to tell Ben, I don't know, Ben, have you ever seen T2 3D The Ride? Voyage Across Time? No. It features... Battle Across Time. It features the T1 million. Which is stupid. That's a lot of numbers.

It's fucking stupid. Well, Robert Patrick plays the T1000. Arnold Schwarzenegger, that's the T101. No, he's the 800 800? the not to get too nerdy

Terminator the first one the Terminator version is the T-101 I believe it's 101 okay 101 I can't remember I can look that up now

and then in 2 he's the T-800 he's a slightly better version which I guess is just designed to explain why he doesn't look like like a wax mold when he like

you know takes his eye out or whatever I don't know and then Terminator 3 he's the T-850 which is that upgrade where they just added 15 years. And what is she? The T-X.

Oh, she's the T-1000? No, because Robert Patrick's the T-1000. She's the T-X. Okay. It makes no sense. I don't want to talk about anything past that. I'm sorry. I have to get this right because it's actually crazy.

Okay. He is Model 101, and I assume that refers to the Arnold skin. Right. He's the Model 101. Okay. He is, in Terminator 2, 800. Right.

He's a T-800, Model 101, version 2.4. But let's not. I don't think they say that in a. Sorry. I'm going to look up what he is in the original Terminator. Look, I'm on the Terminator wiki. Yeah, sure. But the grander point is that the T-1 Million in the ride is like the biggest. He's like a huge spider.

He's a metal spider, then. Yeah, and it's huge. That's the whole point. It's like the biggest Terminator. In 3D. Yeah. That's, I mean, a spider. Is it's huge. That's the whole point. It's like the biggest Terminator. In 3D. Yeah. That's, I mean, a spider. Is it still playing?

No. At Orlando, I think it maybe is. Really? It's done in Hollywood. I think it's done in both. Because I went to Hollywood recently and was so excited to ride it and had been replaced by, I erroneously said it had been replaced by Shrek 4D, which I will say, as I've said before, is a shitty movie.

It was actually replaced by the Minions ride. I think it's been replaced by the Minions in both guys we've talked about this already on the podcast it doesn't matter it's the second best Terminator film in my opinion

okay so I love it I think it's better than T1 the problem the YouTube videos that are available are literally someone filming the screen

so it's a blurry 3D thing I mean and also part of that thing is the real like stunt people on stage interacting with the movie so you like can't fucking watch it also the whole the thing is the real like stunt people on stage interacting with the movie so you like

can't fucking watch it also the whole the thing where you're waiting to go in and they play that movie with Shaq right which is amazing

I guess we'll just have to go to Universal Studios the boys are going to Universal you guys should I'd do it alright okay so he's a T-800 in both

but the model is 101 let's never speak of this again alright so Arnold Schwarzenegger in 84 him and Jimmy C they make Terminator T-800 in both. But the model is 101. Let's never speak of this again. All right. So Arnold Schwarzenegger in 84, him and Jimmy C. They make Terminator. Does well.

Great movie. Jimmy C. goes on and makes Aliens. Big hit. Cute. He makes The Abyss. Oh, no. No, no, no. Doesn't do well.

Doesn't do well. I think most people who worked on that show actively spoke of wanting to murder him for making him. I mean, worked on that movie. It was a show. And Harris literally said, I will never talk about that movie again. Like, it was like a fucking internment camp. It's watchable. No, no, I mean the experience making it.

Oh, the experience. They basically drowned the cast. It was notably like one of the tensest, you know, sort of productions. Well, they're in water the whole time. They're in water the whole time. It was like Uncharted technology and he was drowning everybody. He was drowning everybody. You have famous hothead Ed Harris

well known as one of the most irascible actors around in a room underwater with James Cameron who demands excellence from everybody. His head's so hot he burned all his hair off. It's gone.

Three comedy points. All right. That's undeserving. I just want you to know that we're shaking hands when we're doing this. We're going by the old official system. Oh, I see. But what if someone's driving?

Do you have to reach over? Well, that's when you would dap it if you couldn't transfer a handshake at that time. I don't know why I brought this up. I don't know why I wanted to talk about it. It would be a dap. We talked about the abyss. Okay.

We talked about the abyss. Okay. We talked about the abyss. Yeah. But so Arnie, so Jimmy C, I feel like he's a little bit of a, the lowest he ever gets in his career, pretty much. That was his only sort of misstep. So it makes a lot of sense that he's like, let me go back to the Jews. Go back to safe territory. T2, right?

Go back to the Jews. Even though, we'll talk about that in a second, he got so much money for this movie and it was a risk in and of itself. But Arnie. Yeah. Arnie. Commando. Right.

Huge hit. He plays John Matrix. Right. That happens the year after Terminator 1. That's 85. Yeah. And that is a really good movie. Is that the one where he kills someone with a pipe and says, blow off some steam?

I think so, yeah. I believe so. I believe you're correct. John Matrix is my favorite Arnie name. They gave him these names that are so American. Who the fuck would ever be called John Matrix? Well, that's the thing. That's the thing.

That's the thing of the Winchester Matrixes. Like, imagine that being Ellis Island. Wachowski, what do you want to change your name to? The Matrix And like also yeah It's 85 Those are the days when He's really pushing

Like the boundaries of his speech Yeah He makes Raw Deal What's Raw Deal? You know it's the You know They remade it recently It's like

A bunch of I don't fucking know You're giving up No I'm convinced Oh sorry I was confusing it with Red Dawn Oh oh oh oh Raw Deal is like They gave him a Raw Deal

And now he's gonna give it back to him I don't Really? Yeah yeah It sounds great It sounds amazing He's like an informant or something Okay

And like the FBI fucks him over So then he has to like Kill a bunch of mafia people I haven't If I've seen it I I don't remember it. Okay, so that's 86? That's 86. 87, Predator.

Where he plays Alan Dutch Schaefer again. Because you know, a guy with an Austrian accent, you call him Dutch. Dutch. I'm Chloe. Yeah. Not confusing.

All that stuff. Predator, it's a fucking masterpiece. Fucking rules. Love that movie. Really great movie. Two future governors are in that movie. great movie two future governors are in that movie yes Jesse Ventura is in that movie

yeah it's the only movie to feature two actors who went on to be governors is that true mmhmm hey good stat

also The Running Man in 87 okay which is a cool movie although it was not as big a hit directed by Starsky I believe of Starsky and Hutch

uh yes yeah Paul Michael Glazer yeah alright and then Red Heat in 88 the comedy with finally our two titans of cinema at the point they went let's get sports and the blue funny year yeah because twins is 88 yeah this is a huge he's getting a little funny that i think within those movies like people forget twins made 215 million dollars humongous. In 1988. It was colossal.

And I think within these movies you're talking about, he is figuring out more and more how to be a leading man. Very much. He's the auteur of these movies. Yeah, and how to do comedy effectively because in Terminator 2, he's a really funny character. He's so funny. It's such a funny movie.

Well, we're almost there. Sorry. The key to Schwarzenegger is that he, over the course of these films, in between Terminator 1 and Terminator 2. Twins is his idea. Right. Like, we're almost there. Sorry. The key to Schwarzenegger is that he, over the course of these films, in between Terminator 1 and Terminator 2... Twins is his idea. Right. Like, very much so. Oh, why they feel me in the video? Yeah, no, really. It's a great idea.

It is. It's limited. I mean, like, today... The movie is not good. Yeah. Here's the thing. The movie's so high concept that it's insane. If he pitched that movie today, they'd be like, that's a great Funny or Die short. Aren't they making triplets? No, they are not making

triplets. I hope they make triplets. Eddie Murphy, who has delivered one joke in the last five years. What happened to him? We should do a whole Eddie Murphy miniseries. Oh, God, it would be great. The Distinguished Podcast? Sorry, that's a reference to one of the most obscure Eddie Murphy

comedies. Josh Gad wrote triplets. He's a comedy legend. They hired Josh Gad, comedy legend, to write triplets. They were like, how do we beat twins, a legendary comedy movie? Get a comedy legend in here, Josh Gad. Well, they went, we should get a comedian to do this. And they went to Billy Crystal first, and he passed.

They went, who's the other one? Josh Gad, there are only two comedians. Sorry, carry on to Billy Crystal first and he passed they went who's the other one Josh Gad there are only two comedians Billy Crystal passed sorry I carry on Billy Crystal passed on writing triplets oh so they just went

to the other comedian that's the joke I was making that's the joke I was making I thought you were being serious I was like I could see them running on triplets by Billy Crystal that's crisp acting

sold my joke yeah very crisp yeah from now on we can only describe good acting as crisp. Crisp. As crisp.

Linda Hamilton's really fucking crispy in this movie. Very crispy. Don't even want to talk about it. All right. What I was going to say is in this period of time between Terminator 1, Terminator 2, and Twins is a great example of this. He becomes like, where some people you see them develop their skills as an actor. Like someone like Trang Tatum who had charisma.

Sure. And a look before he really developed like serious chops. Yeah. You see him getting better and better, more sort of lived in and specific as an actor. Right. Schwarzenegger in this period of time between when he becomes a movie star, you know, sort of like a leading man and it becomes like a monolith kind of thing. He just becomes like starts obsessively studying how he plays on camera.

Yeah. Just becomes so hyper aware of everything he's putting out there. Everything innate to his vibe, his appearance, his voice, how people perceive him. And he just becomes like, this is like a piece of machinery that I know how to operate perfectly. I'm Schwarzenegger. Literally. This is my vehicle, you know? Yeah.

Can I finish this career? Yes, yes, yes. 1990. My favorite Arnold Schwarzenegger movie aside from this one. Total Recall. Total Recall. With Paul Verhoeven. That movie is fucking out of its mind.

It's great. Love that movie. Also Kindergarten Cop. Which is great. With Reitman. No, it's not. It's bad. But it's a big hit.

I love Kindergarten Cop. Oh, piece of shit. I love it. But that's interesting that he's now done two. Kindergarten Cop also makes like $200 million. That movie opens with Arnold Schwarzenegger killing a bunch of drug dealers with a shotgun. Correct. It is 1990.

It's about him befriending a group of kindergartners. It is. It's not a tumor. It is not a tumor. They did prove that. That is the second time he does one of these weird Spielberg type years where he shows two sides in one year. Yeah. Very Spielberg. So you're saying Kindergarten Cop is the Sch time he does one of these weird like Spielberg type years where he shows two sides in one year.

Yeah, very Spielberg. So you're saying Kindergarten Cop is the Schindler's List in this? Yes, I'm saying you do the thing where you do like,

like Spielberg would always do the two for one where you do like highbrow, lowbrow in one year. Schindler's List. Oh my God, I'm freaking out.

Kindergarten Cop is the Amistad and Turtle Recall is the Lost World. Yes, that's the joke I'm making. You don't like that I'm explaining your jokes. That's kind of the antithesis of comedy points.

The whole point is you hand out the points and you move on. I'm regarded by everyone, I think, in the world of podcasting and the community of podcasting as a notorious renegade. That is true, and I cannot contest that. You are known as the bad boy of podcasting. It's very true. I'm the bad boy of podcasting. It's very true. I'm the bad boy of podcasting. I just think it's interesting that twice he's like, I'm going to give you a classic Schwarzenegger and give you a laugher.

I'm going to play... Give you some cheese but some sausage. I'm going to play the hits and make fun of myself so you know he's so self-aware. I would say, and I think what Sam's putting out right here is sort of what I'm about. I think we agree even though we disagree. You're looking at each other.

You're both getting ready to say something. Twins is great fun. Kindergarten Cop, the incongruity of he's a cop who shoots drug dealers and whimsical interacting with children, it doesn't land for me. That movie is kind of odd. Well, for me, I think that these movies and probably probably especially Kindergarten Cop, also gave him this appeal to families. Sure. He's very conscious of it.

Families, and that changed his career 100%. We are little boys. Now, you guys are probably very little. Well, I'm actually in between your two ages. I see. Because this movie, Terminator 2, was really... The reason I love it is because I watched it as a kid so many times. It was huge with my family.

It's weirdly the most kid-friendly R-rated film ever made. Is it R-rated? Yeah, which is very interesting. But it always was like, from the moment it came out, it had fucking bubble gum and action figures and video games, but it was R-rated. A gambit that worked, I think, which is like, we're just going to promote and sort of release this film

as if it's like a big blockbuster. This is a movie for kids with cool parents. It held all those R-rating records for like a decade before Scary Movie came along and knocked them all down. And then now it's Passion of the Christ. Passion of the Christ has a lot of them. Deadpool got a lot of the new ones. Well, also, because watching this movie reminded

me of this. I used to watch this a lot with my family and there were two scenes that my mother always covered my eyes during because I was the youngest member of my family. So I was the one who snuck underneath. And the two of them that I didn't see until I was a teenager were Sarah Connor burning

to death in her dream. Which is fucked up. Which is a serious scene. Not something you want your kid to see. And Arnold Schwarzenegger ripping the skin off his arm. Oh, awesome. I fucking love that. It's great, but I didn't see it until I was 16 years old. Okay, here's what I thought you were going to say instead of the ripping the skin off,

although that's also very nightmarish, is the blade through the mouth. Oh, yeah. Which is pretty brutal. And the pokey eye. Pokey eye is intense. Those are intense. But the pokey eye is kind of quick. Which is pretty brutal and or the and the pokey eye. Pokey eye is intense. Those are those are intense.

But the pokey eye is kind of quick. It is. It is. The thing through the mouth is gross. Here's the thing about the pokey eye though.

It's it's quick in terms of what you see that's graphic. Yeah. But they also cut to this angle where you see him kind of fishing around.

And he's sort of like dancing and twitching. Like it's not like a lot of viscera. But like you're seeing fucking weird. You're seeing a lot of viscera, but you're seeing the thing play out. It's fucking weird. You're seeing a guy's brain get mangled. How good are those twins, though?

Oh, love them. Great job, twins. Those guys, they were like the go-to guys if you needed two of something. Right. And Joe Dante used them all the time. And they're in Looney Tunes Back in Action, which I think is an underrated masterpiece, playing the Warner Brothers. And they're fucking great in it.

Hey, now speaking of twins, is it true that Linda Hamilton has an identical twin? She does. And she played, she did a little bit of work in this movie. We'll get to that scene because it's funny. She's the mirror. Alright, but anyway, just to finish my little treatise on Arnie, what's interesting is this movie hits and it's the

biggest fucking thing that ever happened. And it just confirms his status as like king. And then he never makes a hit movie ever again basically he makes movies that do fine um no film lands oh no i'm sorry i'm forgetting true lies true lies is a huge hit so i'm wrong i'm wrong so wait did he never make a number he made number ones true lies is a total number one i totally forgot about true lies but i'm just thinking of like yeah it goes like last action hero junior eraser jingle all the way batman and robin like yeah these movies that are wow bad yeah they do okay maybe i mean last action hero is like a real bomb but you know he doesn't have an unqualified smash again like it does well apart from true lies apart from true life yeah but even batman and Robin made money, but was despised.

It made like 100 mil, which was pretty bad. And I'll say this about True Lies 2. True Lies 2? Oh my god. Advisory. I don't want to start rumors. I'll say this about True Lies as well. Very successful. Well liked. Didn't have the same level of cultural impact

as Terminator 2, especially coming off of this is the next Cameron Schwarzenegger thing. That is true. By the very high impact as Terminator 2 especially coming off of like this is the next Cameron Schwarzenegger thing. That is true. By the very high bar of Terminator 2 it maybe doesn't clear it but apart from that

it's a huge huge hit. It was a very profitable movie but was far and away the most expensive movie ever made at that time. Very expensive. So it was less profitable than Terminator 2 was

because it like made less and cost more. But that's but Huge success. I'm talking about public you know acknowledgement not money. That's a very minor asterisk on the film. But it is just interesting like even though it made less and cost more. I'm talking about public acknowledgement. That's a very minor asterisk on the film. It is just interesting. Even though

I feel like we grew up in the 90s Arnie was such an ever present figure in the 90s. He doesn't actually make a lot of big movies after T2 that work. He makes a lot of big movies. Eraser was a big disappointment. Batman and Robin. Eraser feels like one of his 80s movies. It cost a ton. That's the thing. I remember when Eraser was a big disappointment. Batman and Robin was like... Eraser feels like one of his 80s movies, you know?

But it cost a ton. That's the thing. I remember when Eraser was coming out, people were like, this is him getting back in the zone. Eraser had a lot of hype because it was like, this is him doing a more serious-minded,

adult action movie. And it did all right. That also, Collateral Damage, which was a little later. Well, that's what we get in the 2000s. You have the six six day collateral damage. Fuck, I mean. What's the hell one, End of Days?

Yeah, if you want me to go, keep going. Jingle All the Way, Batman and Robin, End of Days, which is the hell one, Gabriel Byrne. Right. Got the six day with clones. You got Dr. And Bob Duvall's in that too, right? Yeah, Bobby D.

I think Bobby D's a clone in it. I almost gave him Dr. Dolittle too, but that's an uncredited voice role, sorry. Collateral damage. Then Terminator 3, where he's trying, like, oh, come on, let's go back to them. And then he runs for governor, and that's it. I'm sorry, you're

forgetting Around the World in 80 Days. I'm not forgetting it, but I don't want to speak about it. Where he plays a very horny king. He does. That is fascinating. I didn't realize, yeah. Yeah, and then he basically doesn't come back until the last stand. Right.

I mean, he's in the Expendables movies for like a second, but that's just, that's him like being like, I'm not the governor anymore. Let me make some movies. Like, and now he's making all kinds of weird movies. He doesn't give a shit. But that's what's weird is when he comes back, you go like, okay, there's an opportunity here for him to have like a huge comeback and do something with a lot of force. And he just does like a 20 million dollar Lionsgate movie.

You know like he just comes back and does some programmers. What's the movie where he plays a DEA agent with Joe Mangoli? Sabotage? I like Sabotage.

That movie is out of its mind. I think Sabotage is good though. And the director of Suicide Squad. And then he did a zombie movie called Maggie that's like okay. It's not that good

but he's pretty good in it. Determinator Genesis which was a nightmare. Escape Plan with Stallone. Escape Plan with Stallone. Escape Plan with Stallone, which barely got released. Right. You know, he's making something now called Why We're Killing Gunther. Which is Taron Killam's movie.

Written and directed by Taron Killam. So it's going to be a huge hit. Yeah, no, seriously. It might be good. Who knows? But it's not going to be a hit. I don't know. I don't know.

It might be good, but it's not going to be a hit. It's just interesting to me that Arnie's, you know, this is kind of it for Arnie. Yeah, that's where I didn't realize that. This is where he starts to lean towards parody. That's fascinating. I mean, yeah, you're right. He never, he has films that make a cultural impact, and he has films that are successful, but this was his peak.

I mean, it's all downhill from Terminator 2. And it doesn't even, he doesn't even really coast. I mean, you go like Terminator 2, you can like say like, It takes a two year break. Right, True Lies is like lateral, you know,

and then it's like down. Yeah, it's really quickly down. That is fascinating. So, but Jimmy C. Yes. You know, The Abyss cost a lot of money and didn't make much money

and was a nightmare to make and I feel like, you know, these are all bad lot of money and didn't make much money and was a nightmare to make and I feel like you know these are all bad things to happen to a director you don't want to get this reputation as like oh god it's just a it's torturous and it was like a borderline Heaven's Gate type of thing where there was a lot of press about how poorly it was going it got the

Oscar for visual effects everyone was like well that part definitely worked CGI tentacles the rest of the movie yeah and then years later kind of was sort of the Oscar for visual effects and everyone was like, well, that part definitely worked. Hey, sure. CGI tentacles. Everyone was like, that worked. The rest of the movie, yeah. And then years later,

it kind of was sort of, you know, re-evaluated. I mean, it has its, you know, supporters certainly. It does. It does. And he's obviously tinkered with it over and over. The director's cut

definitely helped his reputation. The movie basically came out without an ending and he then tried to fix that. Right. But anyway, we'll have gotten to that.

Sorry. The Terminator 2, though. get, or we will have gotten to that. Sorry. The Terminator 2, though. So the Terminator came out. Uh-huh. And then the company that owned it, like, went bankrupt. Right. And, like, so the rights to a sequel

were, like, always, like, hard to figure out anyway. Which is this fascinating thing about the Terminator franchise is it's, like, the village bicycle. Like, it's this thing. The rights are, like, a mummy's curse. Right.

It really is. It's crazy. Remember that moment where Joss Whedon, when the rights were up for grabs, he was like, I'll buy it. I'll do something cool. I don't know. Just let me have it. And that was two years before the Avengers. Everyone's like, yeah, but no one would let Joss

Whedon take over a big franchise. I remember that being the sentiment. It's like he's a TV guy. They're not going to let him do big Hollywood franchises. It's true. And he said they made Terminator Genisys. Yeah. Eventually. Somebody bought the rights.

I think that was Salvation. David Ellison bought them. It's Meg Ellison. Yeah, the Annapurna. Right. Bought the rights. And it was like, oh, that's weird. She's a highbrow art house woman.

It was like, oh, she's going to get this big franchise to sort of bankroll her like passion project and then she sold it off to her brother david ellison who like has a lot less creative control and just sort of is like a fund for like paramount tom cruise movies and stuff well all three movies that follow this one are completely differently toned disasters this is, each of them try to take a new direction. Each choice is terrible, and all those moves are bad. Yeah, like, T3's trying... I like T3.

I've defended T3. T3's silly. T3's so interesting at this point. I'm a silly boy. You are a silly boy. I almost want to talk about it, but... Well, I like Genesis more than most people do. Okay, so we've gotten into this a lot.

I can't stand Genesis. Well, you and I watch Genesis together. I like Genesis more than he does. Yeah, we watch it together. Okay, so we've gotten into this a lot. I can't stand Genesis. Well, you and I watch Genesis together. I like Genesis more than he does. We watch it together, yeah. But, an important thing about our watching Genesis was right before that. My god, David, you don't know this. We tried to watch Mordecai.

We tried to watch Mordecai. Don't get angry at me for trying to watch Mordecai. It'll be fun to sit here and make fun of Mordecai. Mordecai is actually unwatchable. Yeah. How far did you get in? We had to skip around and even that was murderous. Ten minutes in we were like how much time is left in this movie and we thought we were 45 minutes in.

It's terrible. No joke ten minutes in we thought we were halfway through the movie. We gotta watch Mordecai. It's so settled. We have to do it. Sounds great. If you get through it you guys deserve an award. It's terrible but only do it for an award. It's a test. It definitely is a test. We were watching it on Hulu and so like we were fast forwarding you could sort of see a test it definitely is a test we were watching it on hulu and so like we were fast forwarding you could sort of see the preview box image of like what

we're fast forwarding past and we'd run across an image where i was like wait that looks crazy we have to stop and we'd stop and it'd be like this part's gonna be fun to watch and then it would be unwatchable like immediately our brains would start like leaking out of our ears uh and then we watched genesis and i was like this is great, so you're saying maybe you were colored by... But I think it's better than Mordecai. Yeah, I think it's better than Mordecai.

I think it's better than People Give It Credible. I think Genesis is worse than I remember it and I didn't like it, but it did have Arnie in it and I do like Arnie. He's in this film as well.

The film we're talking about today, Terminator 2. Okay, can I just say one thing about Mordecai and then I'm going to get into Terminator 2? Colon Judgment Day. One thing about Mordecai. then I'm going to get into Terminator 2. Colon Judgment Day. One thing about Mordecai.

What? You know how everyone was making fun of the mustache thing in Mordecai? Because they were like, this is so silly, the fucking mustache, the posters. As two people who have watched that movie in sort of like a fly-by way, that movie is actually 90% mustache.

I'd say 70% of the dialogue involves his mustache in some way. It's not even that the mustache is like the MacGuffin of the movie. It's actually the plot driver. Yeah. It kind of is what that movie is about. Yeah. Every scene is focused on his mustache.

I've talked about how the way I saw Terminator 2 for the first time. David, tell me. A picture of Mordecai. This guy's such a rogue. Oh, boy. It always gets you. It always gets you. It always gets you. He's on the hood of a car, but he's such a cad Oh boy It always gets you It always gets you It always gets you

He's on the hood of a car But he's such a cad David He looks Alarmed He looks alarmed We tried to watch that scene And even that scene I couldn't figure out

What the fuck is going on That movie's only funny in stills They should have released it As a flip book Mordecai should have been The first movie that went Straight to You Master Real Should have been a coffee table book Enough about Mordecai I swear to God This movie that went straight to You Master Real Should have been a coffee table book

Enough about Mordecai This is what I want to say about Terminator 2 I'd love to talk about Terminator 2 Judgment Day I don't know why you keep on derailing me I would love to talk about Terminator 2 Judgment Day I've talked about how the way I saw the movie for the first time was my dad got sent this DVD of Terminator 2 Yeah and you talked about it

You wanted to watch number one first, and then you watched two. And so before I had convinced my mom to let me watch it, I'd have this DVD, and I covered it with two discs. Ooh, look at this. And there was a really thick booklet.

Sure. You know, it had like a real kind of thick liner notes booklet that explained the whole production history and development of the film that, you know, was written by PR people, so it was like they were making it seem like it was the fucking Ten Commandments. You people so it was like they were making it seem like it was

the fucking Ten Commandments. You did write it. But you were working PR for Artisan Home Entertainment at the time. Correct. I was the one who told them to buy Blair Witch Project.

Which was a good call. They don't give you any credit for that. That was actually a really good call. They talked a lot in this booklet about how the thing was

the movie comes out it's a big hit. And then in the seven years between Terminator 1 and Terminator 2 it just grew and grew and grew. As Arnold got bigger

with successive hits people went back and watched that. Sure, right. And these are the days of huge VHS hits. It was the 80s. People wanted to watch

movies again. So it become colossal. It become this big cultural Not Colossus the metal man from X-Men. It did not. And that's people get confused

on that point a lot. Because they're both metal men. Yes, but we... And not Colossal, the Anne Hathaway Godzilla movie that apparently everyone either loves or hates. Yes, that is true.

Everyone either loves or hates. All right, carry on. I'm sorry. I keep derailing you. I'm reading this booklet. It became this thing where it was like everyone was like,

he's got to make a Terminator 2. You've got to make a Terminator 2. The point it ends at, Sarah Connor, you want to see what happens next, this and that. And so it got to this point, I think especially after The Ab make a Terminator 2. The point it ends at, Sarah Connor, you want to see what happens next, this and that. And so it got to this point, I think especially

after The Abyss when he had had a failure where it was like, there's a demand, I should figure out how to make this. But they say in this booklet that the question was like,

how do you do Terminator 2 now? The first Terminator is so violent, like so unsparingly violent. It's true. And dark, and now Arnold has become like a family guy.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he still makes your commandos, your predators, your violent films. But even at that point, that was in the rear view from a couple years. Total Recall is just a year before Terminator. And that movie is fucking insane. He shoots Sharon Snow to the head. It's insane.

And he says, consider that a divorce. It's insane. But here's the thing. Arnold does two things. One is he does a lot of family comedies. He does some family comedies. He's deflating his own sort of balloon.

A little bit and letting people know I'm in on the joke. And then the second thing that happens is he makes a hard move into sci-fi. And Terminator is a sci-fi film but on an aesthetic level for most of the movie you're just looking at two guys in close shooting at each other yeah but then you get to total recall which is so very high sci-fi mars and implanted memories and all this nonsense it's an r-rated movie it's a hard r but when things are happening that movie

they're so sort of ridiculous and big and outside the realm of human possibilities, right? What a fucking wonderland you're describing. I love it. The idea of having Arnold just shoot someone point blank, the way he does in Terminator 1, or even would do in Commando. I get what you're saying. So that was the question. How do you make Terminator 2 knowing that America wants to love Arnold Schwarzenegger? Are you just going to end this so they decided to make him a good guy? Fucking brilliant.

It is brilliant. It's unbelievable. I know. It seems so, I remember when I was a kid, I was like, oh, you know, I don't know if you know this,

but like Hollywood's real cheesy. And like, they couldn't let him be bad anymore. He had to be good. He had to be like the man. Like, no, it's a brilliant idea. Well, what's incredible about it is- Fuck you, 11-year-old David.

On its face, it sounds like the worst studio note in the world. It does. Could the bad guy be a good guy this time? Arnie's real famous. I don't know. And he just like

it's like he weaponizes it into like the only story he could have told. I will also I'll go even a step further because this is something Elena

my wonderful girlfriend pointed out in that humble brag they also make this effort in Terminator 2 specifically when

John Connor's like I don't want you to kill people yep that's such a big part in the fact that it's huge the Terminator

this good guy shoots people in the knees yeah which probably destroys people's knees which seems very painful and like does like mess people up

yeah but is actually not trying to kill people he isn't. Linda Hamilton kills a lot of people in this movie. Which is what I love about this. She becomes the quasi-villain. She really is.

Or at least the anti-hero. She's not a villain, no. But she's kind of the lead of this movie. Yeah, yes. I mean, whatever. She and Arnie are co-leads. But the movie kind of passes up because she's not majorly involved

after the Dyson attack in the movie. Yeah, he takes the reins in the last shot. At that point, it's more his movie. Yeah, that's true. I think it's a very good point. And I think the other thing they even do beyond that is you have the thing the first time he's shooting at guys where John Connor's like, what the fuck?

You can't do that. And he's like, I do what you tell me to do. And it's like, okay, so not only are you having another character be the little guardian angel over his shoulder being like, don't do that, you're also establishing, which the first movie doesn't because it's just like he's this unstoppable force yeah this movie kind of sets it up that he's like a child yeah sure doesn't know his own power right and so when he does something that's like kind of cool and like badass and like an action movie way it's like oh it didn't mean it yeah you know and they can

immediately like kind of scrub it out no that scene where he is about to execute that guy yeah and it's like he's completely bored he's just like cocking his gun and literally it's great i love that is that you're talking about the scene where john connor tells him nothing yeah i also think that scene those are the characters i feel the most pity for in this movie no question Are those characters that go over to help a boy who they see being attacked by a giant Austrian man in a leather jacket. And then the boy is like, well, fuck you guys. Because they're kind of rude

I guess. The boy's also got a bit of a toot. Yeah. Oh, John Connor's got a rude toot. That's actually, if we want to really get into this, something I'm curious about from you two. Do we think Edward Furlong is good in this movie? I mean, we could talk about this for seven episodes. I already got in a huge fight with Esther about it.

Esther Zuckerman previously discussed it on the show where she said Edward Furlong is bad in the movie and I said, no, you are wrong. He is good. So I'm glad we've settled that. Great. Thanks. I'm going to leave. I think... I think objectively it's not a great piece of acting. That having been said, I think I think objectively it's not a great

piece of acting that having been said I think it's piece of acting what is this I don't think it's as crisp as it could be but I do think

over here I do think it's the perfect performance for the movie exactly I think it's perfectly modulated to the movie I think the character fits the movie

I think he's a little the screaming this viewing love it got to me a little bit now you guys know he's a little the screaming this viewing love it got to me love the screaming now you guys know he redubbed the entire performance right yes well you can tell that in some points you can see it in the voice broke his voice broke and they had to keep it at one level because the production was so long and he was like right in the midst of puberty

if you see his like there are scenes like the dirt bike chase he looks really young yeah and then you get to other stuff like at different points in the movie where he looks like, okay, puberty started to kick in. His face shape is like changing a little bit. And his voice was so all over the place that they had to redub it and be like, let's just pick one pitch. And that's what it is now. I will definitely say it's the best John Connor performance in film. No question. Yeah.

You don't like Nick Stahl? I like him. I think he's okay. I think this is a better performance. Nick Stahl's kind of all over the place. Yeah, I think he's actually quite good in that movie. Nick Stahl feels like he's doing, he's trying to sort of do Edward for a long,

you know, like he's trying to hug. The third movie feels like it's hugging the second movie more. Tightly. You know, and then the other two obviously don't care at all. Well, and here's the other thing. Jason Clarark is kind of okay in terminator genesis but it's just the character makes no sense and then he turns into like a nanobots or whatever so it's all i think jason clark's a wonderful actor and i don't think he's ever given a bad performance i think that character is so thankless you can't do anything you can't do anything with it and in

terms of he's such a device in that movie, literally. But I also think that, boy, I mean, this is the problem with all the other attempts to make Terminator sequels, is like, the fact that Cameron flipped it, and made him the good guy, and now it's two Terminators,

and like, now it's this, and it's the Judgment Day, sets it up so like, these two movies are adeptic. Like, they're mirrors of each other. Which is great.

And especially those early scenes where he's like, sort of, mimicking his behavior from the first movie, and you can get why she's so terrified of him. Which is great. And especially those early scenes where he's like sort of mimicking his behavior from the first movie and you can get why she's so terrified of him. And you know. But you can only mirror

something one time. Like it's not like here's the next chapter. The movie is so much about its relationship to the first one. Yeah. In terms of flipping

expectations and everything. At least in the first hour. Yeah. That like you can't really do a third. And then the other thing is and this is certainly the Terminator salvation problem, is like the future war is so cool because we barely see it. Yeah. You know?

And John Connor is such a mythic figure because we never have to see someone be John Connor because he will never live up to the expectations of how the film speaks of him. Oh, yeah. In terms of like literally this guy's Jesus against the robots. He's the one person who can motivate everyone to do this. Right. And there's no performance

that can live up to that. When you see the dude at the beginning of Terminator 2 with the scar on his face, and you're like, that's all you need to see is just a guy who looks stoic surrounded by robots.

Yeah, by the second best John Connor performance. But nonetheless, yeah, baby, nonetheless, I think Furlong works because he's so far away from being the John Connor

we talked about. But I like the idea that there's little hints of even in this rude toot kid. He's got a rude toot. The toot is rude. But he's so strong minded. It's a rude toot. It's a rude toot. But he's so strong minded.

He's got like an innate morality that can't be shaken out of him. Even by his fucking psychotic mother and Xander Berkeley and whatever crappy foster parents and public enemy t-shirt that he wears because he's so cool. He's so cool. I would also argue that culturally he had a big influence on our generation of how to sort of be a bratty kid. Oh, no question. I know watching that now, it reminded me of how big of a jerk I was

in high school and middle school to my parents and friends. I was that kid. I was definitely like, fuck everybody. No one gets me, man. Did you ever have a dirt bike, Ben? I did. Did you really? Of course.

I used to ride on jumps with my friends. He's dirt bike Benny? He's Benny, and he's from Jersey. Come on. It makes so much sense. Yeah. I'm just picturing Ben now with like the Edward Furlong flip on a dirt bike.

I had long hair. I used to wear army jackets. So you just wore John Kahn. Sort of. I had, you know, combat boots. Were you friends with Butt Neck? Fuck, I wish I was. Did you have one of those computers

that could hack an ATM machine? No. That's just pretty good. But I used to steal stuff all the time from the Wiz. Hey. Oh, shit. You know, their tagline was, nobody beats the Wiz. You beat them.

Yeah. And just to clarify, when Ben says he used to steal stuff from the Wiz, he means the Broadway revival of the Wiz. He would sneak in backstage and steal props and costume pieces. That's correct. And nobody beat them. Yeah, and they're per diem pick. Yeah. Can we talk about Butnik really quickly?

Yes. Can we spend five seconds? Alright, fine, but let's get to the movie. Two quick things about Butnik. Sam's Butnik Corner. One thing. That actor attended Bucks Rock. Summer Camp Griffin and I met at. Wow. Years and years when he was very young. Two, I want you to notice, he is literally

shoved out of this movie. That is true. He gets shoved away by the T-1000 and is gone from the movie and gone from Hollywood. He was shoved into obscurity by Robert Patrick. This is undeniable. It's literally like if you held up the celluloid strip of that scene, see him like fly out into the real world from that shot oh what i was gonna say about for a long and this is me commending the performance and why i think it works so well is to have him be a little boy so far away from having to be what he needs to

be in order to lead the humans yeah and have the glimpses is the best way he could ever be portrayed on screen yeah that's why stall's performance suffers i think stall's this guy's supposed to be a fucking stalls like weirdly the opposite we're like, but this guy's supposed to be a fucking... Stahl's like weirdly the opposite. We're like, I think objectively it's a good performance, but it doesn't really work for the movie because you need him to be a little more powerful at that point in his life. Yeah.

You know? Can I also say, we want to talk about just the beginning of this movie. Because it's something you guys talk about a lot with high concept movies that you've done of the explaining to the audience what's going on as quickly as possible.

And I think this movie and Terminator 1 do it really quickly, really well, and cleanly. Like, I was a child watching this movie who had no idea Terminator 1 existed. And from the first- Yeah, right. But you get it. From that opening, Linda Hamilton, like three sentences- It's amazing. Totally get it.

Yeah, it's true. Totally get everything that's going on. Should we talk about Linda Hamilton? Let's go through, amazing. Totally get it. Yeah. Totally get everything that's going on. We talk about Linda Hamilton. Let's let's go through. I mean the movie into this because this is what I love is like he gets

the exposition shit out of the way so early on literally in the opening credits. Right. Like before the credits and during is like that's all this shit opening

with traffic to that first shot of the traffic. Yeah. Great. Yeah. It's like yeah it goes from like the end of

skeletons head to then it looks like shutters. Yeah. And then it's like oh no this is the great of a truck. Well, it's like, yeah, it goes from, like, the endoskeleton's head to then it looks like shutters. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, no, this is the grate of a truck. Yeah. Just fucking elegant filmmaking. But this movie is so operatic.

And there's this thing I love because, like, we were saying right before we recorded, like, once Cameron makes Aliens, he, like, goes big and he never goes home. Like, every film is done on sort of this epic operatic

scale and there's like a confidence you know which is tied to like Cameron's notorious like arrogance and single-mindedness and getting done what he wants the way he wants it uh that like the movie just starts and it's like fucking trust me I know where we're going yeah yeah I'm not gonna ask for directions I know where I'm going because it takes an hour for fucking John Connor, Sarah Connor, and the Terminator to be in the same room. And there's very little exposition there because they've set up the world building stuff. It's like he wants to put all the pieces on the board. Yeah, he's introducing all three. The story elements, emotionally what's at play, the stakes, all of this.

It takes fucking forever. But you're watching it wrapped because every scene is innately dramatic. Yep. You know, intriguing. Bad to the bone. Really bad to the bone. Yeah, we don't even have that much action until, like, I mean, when the two of them come face-to-face at, like, 40 minutes in.

You're talking about the Schwarzenegger and the Terminator? Yeah. Yeah. It's, like, 37, I think. But they're setting up, like, kind of four characters simultaneously that all get into the same space at the hour mark. Yeah. And like you look at something like, you know, I mean, I love Inception,

but Inception has to spend that hour setting up the rules of the universe. Yeah. Before it can have fun for the next hour and a half. But an issue I have with Inception is that I think it over explains what is happening. I think so too. I agree with you. I think that movie is not as complicated as the movie thinks it is. I think they could have cut it by 25%.

But I don't think this does. I think even like a good example of what I'm talking about in Terminator 2 is he is able to show the powers, the abilities of both Terminators separately, quickly, and without the Terminator. Sure don't tell. Yeah. There's so little exposition in this movie. Once you get past the opening, it really is like it's taking a while to set up because it's good storytelling like he's telling you a story and all of these elements are important and he's showing them to you yeah but like it isn't really until you get to like the dyson shit where it starts

having to explain shit again yeah but the rules of the universe are so cleanly established whether or not you've seen the first one okay so fucking opening future war sarah connor voiceover sets it up future war looks fucking unbelievable here this time they really they really you see some extra some extra frog skin the lights go down tri-star pictures here comes the pegasus and then cameron unzips flying takes out his dick and he's like i got got $88 million. And now we have fucking hunter killers flying in the sky and, you know, as opposed to like the beautiful stop motion herky-jerky endoskeleton. Which I like as well.

I love too. And then you have the rod puppet when it's only the upper body. Now you have this unbelievable shot where it's like stomping on the skull, skull crushed, and then like fucking tilt up and here's this fucking terminator that's actually like moving and giving a performance you know yeah it's like tilting his head and has like a weird grin yeah uh right so he's just letting you know like okay next level yeah we're going

we're going here yeah and then you go into like fucking fire opening credits under and over fire and then just the skull slowly coming closer and closer to you. So great. And it's just a promise that's like hold on I'm gonna get you there.

And then we just go to a truck and the movie just like takes its time putting the pieces in place. Yes. Here's the thing we've seen before. Naked buff guy

lands in a parking lot. But still looks good? What were you gonna say? I was gonna say that I think a good effect and you see this in the even from the opening bar scene

where he has that fight the effect of one person not grimacing during a fight scene really affects you immediately go oh this feels different.

Yeah. Like the way even like him like when he like sits up Oh I get what you're saying. Yeah he doesn't like he's like

ugh like you see so often in like movie fights. I, I get what you're saying. Yeah, he doesn't like, he's like, ugh, like you see so often in like movie fights. He's the cool one. Well, and that's the key to like the strength of Arnold Schwarzenegger is that he is not

innately an actor. You know? That he is a physical presence. Yeah. That he is like an athlete. You know what I'm saying? I know what you're saying. And the way he tackles scenes

is like an athlete like objective of like what do I need to do here? I guess so. So like if you're an actor and you come from like a psychological mindset of trying to explore your character, it's very hard to be like how do I not grimace here. I guess so. So if you're an actor and you come from a psychological mindset of trying to explore your character, it's very hard to be like, how do I not grimace here because I'm trying

to play it real and be organic. But playing it real is him not grimacing. Exactly. Yeah. But I'm saying he's perfect in this because it's like, hey, just sit up and don't grimace. And Arnold's like, okay, got it. You know? Yeah.

I think Arnold's a better actor than you're giving him credit for. But I think the physical presencing is important because we buy that he doesn't grimace. It's more what it is. He doesn't look like he'd need to grimace. Yes. If it was Michael Biehn, we might not buy it when a knife goes in his flesh that he wouldn't have some reaction. It's perfect. I watched this movie with my beloved Amazon X-Ray, and there was a trivia fact that I hadn't heard before.

Go ahead. When they did his makeup, not even like the special effects makeup, but like before he's damaged at all. Schwarzenegger. I think they did this for Patrick too, but definitely for Schwarzenegger. Especially you can see it in that opening scene where he's like totally naked. Just his basic like foundation kind of makeup.

They mixed KY Jelly into the makeup. So he has this weird sheen. He's got this kind of rubbery thing. Fresh out of the box. Going on. He really does look like very mint, you know? And we talked about like.

We talked about in our Terminator episode this weird thing where like Arnold Schwarzenegger is kind of the least sexual person in the world. Is objectively just a beautiful object. And especially in this scene, the bar when it's like, okay, they got a budget now. They have a hair guy. His hair's immaculate. They got the makeup on him. Yeah, he looks better in this scene, the bar, when it's like, okay, they got a budget now. They have a hair guy. His hair's immaculate. They got the makeup on him. Yeah, he looks better in this movie.

The angles of him are just insane. He's also better dressed. His sunglasses are perfect. He looks sharp and square and robotic. Yeah, it's immaculate. That poster is undeniable. I mean, every accessory he gets, everything is perfect. That poster, we're looking at just the classic, like,

Schwarzenegger poster. Blue machine, him on the motorcycle with the shotgun, gets at my favorite thing I've ever heard anyone say about Arnold, which is, like, he's the only actor whose name could actually fill a poster. Right. Like, it felt so important when there was a movie and it was just Schwarzenegger, and it was, like, they had to take four, like, shots at the poster before they could format the full name in there um but yeah he just looks incredible yeah and he's just still focused minimal um i love the detail of like the guy he steals the biker

clothes from they're not like they look kind of loose and shitty on him right right but they tailored it perfectly to arnold's body So when it's on the guy, it just looks like, that's just some fucking sleazy biker. And then because the guy's smaller than him, it makes him look unbelievable when he puts it on. He looks great.

Yeah. One complaint I've heard about this movie. Okay. Which I hear it, but it doesn't hurt the film for me. Sure. Jesse Vandenberg, friend, says that he likes Terminator 1 more.

Not just because of this. Get to the criticism. This is one thing he likes more about Terminator 1 is that the badass look is developed organically, story point by story point. This is a silly criticism. I dismiss it. The hair gets burned off. That's why it's spiky.

Why does he wear the sunglasses? Because the eyes damage. The leather jackets replace them for the tech noir thing whereas this movie he enters and he looks like badass Terminator 2 Terminator 1 is about a unfeeling kind of like roadblock of a thing that's just sort of moving through scenes

Terminator 2 the idea is that he's a developing organism like as he tells John you know so it's like he like wants to put on the sunglasses why does he want to put on the sunglasses? I don't know. But there's weird little hints of personality to him. Also, here's my kind of argument.

It looks fucking cool. Here's my kind of argument. Stop being a fucking dork. Hey, hey. Jesse should stop being a dork. He should stop being a dork. Anyway, Terminator 2. So we have Arnie.

We've introduced the T-800. Okay. That piece is on the game board. Boop! John Connor. Edward Furlong. Does he come in before the T-1000? I can't remember.

Okay. Can you guys remember? I just watched it. I just watched this yesterday. It's hard to remember because we've seen it so many times. I know. We just know all the scenes. Yes.

Right. I can't remember. All right. Well, we can talk about the T-1000. We talked about John Connor. John Connor, we get that this is John Connor if we've seen Terminator. We get that he's some sort of messiah figure. He's angry.

He's an angry little boy. He's a teenager. He's got a little scooter. Foster parents. He hacks into ATMs. Played by Vasquez. Oh, yeah, Vasquez plays his foster mom. Right.

Which I just love because it's like here she's playing more like who she is in real life. Like, Vasquez was such a weird, like, Lon Chaney transformative performance that, like, you can't even register that this is the same actress because, like, if you've seen Aliens first, you'd be like, well, that just must be who she is. They just found Vasquez. Right, right. But, no, it's Jeanette Goldstein. We talked about her last week.

She's amazing. She's got a big bra store, and she's great. Jeanette bra. Alphabet starts with D last week. She's amazing. She's got a big bra store and she's great. Jeanette bra. Alphabet starts with D. So are we talking about Robert Patrick? So, okay, so John blah blah blah. We got him right. Robert Patrick.

He's a brat. He's fucking badass. I was him for Halloween one year. They established that in the film. You'd be great. I remember that. You used to have that same Public Enemy t-shirt. I still do.

Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, army jacket. Did you buy it for the costume or did you just have it i bought it for the costume but it was a dual purpose i mean i was like really into public enemy and i love terminator 2 so i was like oh i'll buy this for costume and i'll wear it all the time and i wore it all the time yeah um yeah i mean all the elements i bought for my john connor costume i just wore every day in different configurations i did the army jacket for a long fucking time. Yeah, I remember that too. Like I just,

and I had long hair. It was not good, but I like did the fucking flip, whatever. My like curly haired version of that. I was just like fucking, when I was a kid, it was just like this guy rules.

And the thing I love about him. Sorry, you need him and that's why another reason Furlong is so good is because this is going to be a movie that's more appealing to teenagers. Oh, yeah. And he's your way in if you're a teenager.

And the relatable thing is that he's so fucking angsty. And it's like, what if you had a Terminator? Right. Right, which is every kid's dream. That'd be cool. Yeah. But it's also, he's so angry and bratty because the world has handed him a bad deck of cards. But also, as a kid, you're just like, well, I feel this way because I got hormones.

Exactly. I'm as angry as John Connor is. But I do like the idea where he's like, well, you know, I used to think my mom was, I guess, right about the end of the world.

Cause I was grown up, you know, told that the world is ending and like, that I needed to train for it. And then someone told me she's crazy. So I guess she's crazy. I mean, I'm thinking about like Luke Skywalker,

right? He's annoying. Who? Luke Skywalker. Luke Skywalker. He, fuck that guy. You knowwalker right he's annoying yeah luke skywalker luke skywalker he fuck that guy you know like he's so he's coming to get you so obnoxious initially i don't know i feel like there was something about this character that i like instantly related to i think it's of the time and like of the tone of the era yeah yeah and it's dramatic irony too of being like this is the most noble man,

the most selfless man, the man who leads humanity. Then you're introduced to him and he's like, eh. He's like a little Bart Simpson, you know? He's very Bart Simpson. He says no problemo. I had a slingshot. Go on. Did you really? Of course I did.

God, can we sell an animated series about Little Ben? Little Ben. I'm trying to find the quote where he talks about his mom because there's something about the way he's, I can't find it. It's when he's hacking the ATM. Where did you learn how to do that? It's from my mom.

He's like, yeah, she taught me to do all this stuff. It's like, she sounds pretty cool. He's like, no, she's a fucking nutcase. Yeah, exactly. She was a little cool until she wouldn't stop talking about robots. Yeah, she. She was a little cool and so she wouldn't stop talking about robots. Yeah, she talked a lot about robots. And then we will get to this later, but I love that when they link back up, he's like the

only person who can reach her at all. And even then, only halfway. She's been trained to not trust anybody. Right, and he'll be like, we gotta be more constructive or whatever. Blow them all up! Anyway, we'll get to her. Not to jump the gun, but I think this is an incredible

mother-son movie. There aren't enough of... Most of them made by James Cameron. But to Robert Patrick, who we now see. T-1000. I feel bad for Robert Patrick watching this.

Why? Especially Hamilton and Schwarzenegger performances are remembered Robert Patrick watching this. Why? Because I think the other, especially Hamilton and Schwarzenegger performances are remembered so much from this. Robert Patrick is great. Incredible. I might, I just want, he's pretty well remembered for this movie. I feel like it's his,

like the thing he's remembered for. I mean, yes, yes. I think, I get what you're saying. He didn't necessarily have, it didn't give him the career boost it should have. Yeah, this is the thing he's most famous for. Yeah. It's not playing Doggett on season eight of The X-Files, you know.

Well, what's weird is. He's great. I love Doggett. Not knocking Doggett. Right. No, no one's knocking Doggett. Let's be clear. He was in the CBS show The Unit.

Oh, yeah? Now he's in the CBS show Scorpion. It is kind of a thing where like like and i think actually the same thing happened at jeanette goldstein with aliens i was listening to a lot of our fans also listen to the i was there too i told you really amazing that's a great episode yes um but uh it kind of hurt her that she of course related this role so well where like schwarzenegger somehow figured out how to turn the terminator into like a movie star and apply that persona into different characters. Right. But Robert Patrick like wasn't an action star.

He was like a character actor and he like absorbed this role so well. And then like to the detriment of I think to a degree like he never stopped working, but he always just kind of became like a guy because it was like, well, how do you do that in something else? You know, and it was just like, well, because he's a good actor. If you give him anything, he'll figure out how to do it. He made a lot of shitty movies. He just made Broken, Fire in the Sky, Double Dragon, Striptease, Zero Tolerance, Copland. He might just sort of cashed out.

He might just sort of taken the money. He's a heavy. He's a great heavy. He was like a heavy through the 90s. But this is such a I think the other problem is in this movie he looks like a Cadillac

which is how Cameron described the Terminator. He's so sleek. Schwarzenegger's a tank this guy's a Cadillac. And then he's aged and he kind of looks weird now

like a grizzled old guy. You know what he's incredible in is The Sopranos. He had like a three episode guest arc in that. He's fucking fantastic in that.

It's basically someone who goes in deep depth and Tony just like blows out his business, like just ruins him. And he like, so he's just there as it's all happening. It's great. I'm always happy to see him. It's just like, he was so good in this and there was no way to translate this

to another performance in a way, you know? I also think when you watch T1, you see Schwarzenegger's performance in that, which is great, but he's very cold, short, you know? I also think when you watch T1, you see Schwarzenegger's performance in that, which is great, but he's very cold, short, you know, as the bad guy. In this, and also making him a cop is so fucking brilliant.

Brilliant. Well, hey, good job, T-1000. Yeah. You should credit where it's due. Yeah. The T-1000 had that idea. Great decision. Right.

But, like, that scene where he talks to John Connor's foster parents. John, I wish I could do his voice. Have you seen this boy? But it's also like he's kind of like he's not cold. He doesn't come off as a villain. I would trust that guy. Yes.

If that guy has a cop. Although the audience is like, yeah, go ahead. I mean, yeah, if that guy has a cop showed up and asked me where my foster son was, I wouldn't be like, this guy isn't a cop. He's a robot from the future. The trick of the movie is like, until the moment where Arnie says, get down,

and then he shoots him. Right. The movie is presenting it as like, it's like, uh-oh, here's Arnie again, bad guy, out to get John.

Yeah. And the opening voiceover. Yeah. And then you're seeing Robert Patrick and he's a cop and he's looking for John. You're like, oh,

this is the good one. Right. Now, they ruined that in the marketing, so. It's fortunate. They're not gonna, yeah. You're like, oh, this is the good one. Right. Now, they ruined that in the marketing. So, yeah. But it is such a fun trick that the movie plays. Like, it's fun watching it play it.

But even in the opening narration that Sarah Connor does, she said, like, you know, the first attack happened when I was pregnant. The second attack happened when my son was whatever. They sent two Terminators back that time. One to protect. Two people. Right. Two things. Right. And she said the question was, which one would get to him first? So, one to... No, two people. Right. Two things. Right, and she said the question was which one would get to him first.

So you're already from the voiceover establishment. Right, you're primed for the same journey. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this movie shot during the Rodney King? Correct. Yeah. Probably, yeah. I think it was shot literally, they said one of their shooting locations wasn't far... It's the biker bar.

It's the biker bar? The biker bar was right where the beating happened on the night that it was happening. So by the time this came out, especially in Los Angeles, cop trust was at a low. Right. You know?

Sure. As it still is today. But there's this beautiful thing that like, the T-1000 is more advanced as a program, not just because it can do the liquid metal shit, but it's a better actor. Yeah, sure. It's more able to fit into normal society.

Which works. I like that. And it's scarier. It makes Robert Patrick scarier. Yeah. You know? But it has emotional range. It can play things.

I mean, what's beautiful about his performance is he's, like, almost human. Like, when he's in the scenes as a cop interviewing people and whatever, it's like he's acting friendly, but there's something a little bit off. There's a little unnerving, but it's not like. Where'd you get that bike? Yeah, that thing.

Yeah. But it doesn't feel like you'd be like, wait, this guy's a fucking robot. I get what you guys are saying. Yeah, because the Terminator, you're like. It's Robit, by the way. I'm sorry, Robit. And even when he has to, obviously he has to, he plays other people a lot. Yeah.

More than, I mean, the Terminator, I think in Terminator 1, has one scene where he does the voice copying on the phone. The T-1000 legitimately turns into people. He's chopping celery. That's my favorite scene is that the T-1000 has to cut celery and pretend to be a mom for

God knows how long. God knows how long he's... And Jeanette Goldstein talks about in that podcast episode that she, like, worked with Robert Patrick. And I think he did that with every other actor who had to play a version of him where he was like,

this is what I'm doing. Here's how I figured it out. These are my tricks. Right. So everyone, it is a very cohesive, like, performance across all the other versions. I know. Whenever he shifts into another body,

yeah, they do. They match. Yeah. It's nice. And just sort of the very slight... I mean, he has such control of movement in that part. The finger wave. The fingers. Unbelievable. The way he, like, brings it up. He's like... Yeah. It's balletic. It's, like, very, like... Very balletic. Yeah. Terrifying. Terrifying. A terrifying

villain. It's one of the best villains. Yeah. Oh, God. This fucking movie. Okay. Then there's Sarah Connor. Oh, my favorite. Linda Hamilton. My favorite. In the role of... Now, in between The Terminator and Terminator 2,

Linda Hamilton had been on the show Beauty and the Beast. With Ron Perlman. With Ron Perlman. Written by George R.R. Martin. Hey. Among other people. Yeah, having some nice sewer love. Yeah, she got a couple Emmy nominations,

but it was always a cult show. Yeah, yeah. You know, that's kind of it. She wasn't a star at all. I also looked up after this, because I watched this movie again, and I'm like, this is... She makes one hit movie after this.

I mean, one big movie after this. It's such a good fucking performance. Was it Volcano? Dante's Peak. I always get that. And she's also in, what's that terrible Jim Belushi movie where he goes back in time. Oh, Mr. Wonderful?

Mr. Destiny. Mr. Destiny. Yeah. But I was like, how could she have not translated this into something? She's a tough one. I don't know. I don't know. It's an interesting question.

It's such a good performance. I think she had a lot of drama in her life. And so that was part of it. And she was on a show, so shows are time consuming. So she got kind of sucked into the show. But after this, you feel like, you know, she should have gotten some sort of Sigourney post-Aliens boot. Yeah. But Sigourney was already famous.

That's what I'm saying. Not the same boost because Sigourney already had the look mark. Yeah. boost because Sigourney already had the look mark. Imagine that she would have. And it's weird that in Dante's Peak she's not the badass. You know what I'm saying? No, she's

kind of just a person. Sigourney didn't play a badass every time. In a pantsuit. Right, after Aliens. But it was like they never let her do anything like this ever again and it's incredible. Like you watch this and it's even just there's the moment when she's sort of planning her breakout of from the uh the hospital the psychiatric hospital and there's

like the nightstick on the ground and the way she just sort of like picks it up and tucks it into her arm without missing a beat you know just moving forward she's like a fucking like black ops agent she's also in incredible shape unbelievable yeah she like looks very athletic but then it is like a human performance you know

it's like she has her moments of vulnerability her moments of warmth I mean it's like it's an amazing like I agree I'm just reading

about her career or her life and it's tough she has like bipolar disorder she broke up I mean we talked about Bruce Abbott

the guy who left her and then she moved in with James Cameron and they had a child but then they broke up as well we talked about Bruce Abbott the guy who left her and then she moved in with James Cameron and they had a child but then they broke up as well didn't get married until years later

and then he left her when she was pregnant with the other girl she got 50 million bucks in the divorce good job well hey that sounds bad well you know

maybe not not everyone's gonna be a movie star forever the most interesting detail is Hamilton has described herself as a democrat but she did vote for Arnold Schwarzenegger in the governorate. I mean, who can blame her?

Oh, boy. Hey, if I had lived in California, I would have voted for him twice. She should have voted for him the first time, not voted against him the first time, and for him the second time, mirroring the Terminator arc. Sam, will you allow me? Yeah. Five comedy points, David. I know Pat's not here and we're trying to play.

Do you remember when there was that really brief period of time after he got elected governor where they were like, is there going to be a constitutional amendment to allow him to run for president? Oh, yeah. There was like a few weeks where we thought about doing that. Hardcore. But then we didn't and it was a great decision. It was a great decision. Yeah.

In fact, if anything, we maybe should have made it harder to run for president. I think that's what we're learning right now. That's a great decision. Yeah. In fact, if anything, we maybe should have made it harder to run for president. I think that's what we're learning right now. That's true. But getting back to Terminator 2, even that first shot in the insane asylum of her is like so, like you're already so into this character. Is the first shot of her like doing chin-ups or? So did you guys watch the director's cut or the regular? I watched the director.

I think I watched the regular one. Did it have the Kyle Reese scene or not? It did have the Kyle Reese. Okay, that's the director's cut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The first thing is- The original cut is kind of hard to come across at this point. I think they want you to see the director.

Yeah, it's the pull-ups, and then you don't see her face until she spins around and goes, how's your leg? Or whatever that line is. The whole mental hospital part of it is so fucking good. Unbelievable. All the details. The way she's being- They take their time. That's what I'm saying. They lay it is so fucking good. Oh, yeah. Like, all the details. Like, you know, the way she's being. They take their time.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Like, they lay it all out for you. Yeah. The way that guard, like, clangs his nightstick along the wall. Like, all these things are, like, burned in my brain. The interview scene. The interview scene is so good.

Where she's trying, where she's like, well, you said that if I, like, did this, that I would be able to. And you're like, you know she's just like boiling. Well the fact that it's Dr. Silberman again is incredible. Because he so easily made it a new doctor but the fact that like there's that amazing moment. She's my fucking meal ticket. Look at this crazy

person. And that he's just sort of tracked her down and it's like okay yes of course they would want to institutionalize her because she's like trying to blow up computer companies. And she like is talking about future robots but i also love the idea that he was like i'm not letting her get away if someone's institutionalizing her it's me because she's the one i've been looking for and how satisfying is that moment when robert patrick walks through the bars and the doctor sees it and the cigarette falls out of the cigarette no it's and you're

like that is so especially watching t1 right And you're like, that is so- Especially watching T1 right before it, you're like, that's so fucking satisfying. But here's the thing. Fuck you. In James Cameron movies, everything matters. Everything's very satisfying. Yeah. Like, everything is- except for in The Abyss, which is what's so crazy about The Abyss. But, like, everything's building to satisfying payoffs.

Right. Like, even, like, little mini payoffs like that one, which is so good. Yeah. And that's his last shot in the movie. Yeah, I think so. He's in T3, right? He is. He's really good in that.

Yeah, because he's like crazy in T3, right? Yeah. It's been, Chris Hardwick's in T3. Correct. Yeah, points. No comedy points, but points. Yeah, just points. There is just like a thing where I was watching this

and I was like, you know, any other director, especially doing a sequel where it's like, I got the audience in the pocket, they just want me to play the hits. Right. Because the camera gets ambitious with his sequels, whether it's his own film he's sequelized or someone else's. He gets ambitious. He moves laterally. He throws it off the hump. You know, it doesn't just give people the same thing again. When he parallels stuff, it's sort of to get at a larger point to connect the films even with their disparate elements.

it's sort of to get at a larger point to connect the films even with their disparate elements um and i was just like anyone else making this kind of movie would have had one two minute scene in the insane asylum before the terminator before yeah he breaks her out or whatever and you get like six of them where it's like you just flash in like especially in the director's cut where you have the kyle reese thing and it's like okay she still is human. Which is honestly, yeah, it's an interesting, it's not the most necessary scene. I can see why they cut it. It's a little clunky just because you're so into

what's happening in the thing. Like, you barely even need to be reminded of Kyle Reese. You know what I mean? Like, you're like... Yeah, the weird thing is... He was never really her equal anyway. No, of course not.

And we're already like, we're like, great, Sarah Connor's the best. I love this. Yeah. I kind of prefer watching the theatrical edition and knowing that that scene exists in the back of my mind.

You know what I'm saying? So I have that for the additional color, but I don't really love the scene in and of itself. Is that Michael Biehn's last work with James Cameron? Yes, it is. Poor guy. I also just forgot how dream heavy both these movies are. Well, her big dream.

The nuke dream. That's so cool. You get all of that, and you see, it's so good. And here's the thing, in terms of shit matters in James Cameron movies,

things pay off, he also just understands cinematic language so much, but also the language of storytelling and expectations and how people process things when they're watching them and you look at like okay he's gonna have the creepy guard who already has been proven to be a piece of shit yeah lick her face because he thinks she's

catatonic and that's how much of a creep he is sure and that's because he wants to have a scene where the two terminators come in and they have to knock guys down and you don't feel bad for the guys yes that is true right because we've already had the thing in the parking lot where the two Terminators come in and they have to knock guys down and you don't feel bad for the guys. Yes. That is true. Right. Because we've already had the thing in the parking lot where the two guys are like trying to break up the fight and you feel bad for those guys. Yeah. And that works in the movie. I don't feel bad for them. What? Fuck them. Fuck those guys.

They didn't do anything wrong? Nah. All lives matter. No. Oh god. That's not funny. That was like a double reverse joke. Oh god. That was like a double reverse joke. You received no comedy point. That's fine. That was like a double reverse joke That was like a double reverse joke You received no comedy point That's fine Alright let's pick up like that didn't happen

But Ben can you copy paste that and play it two times in a row Sure no problem And we're back I just think about always as the counterpoint Ben don't do that The fucking thing with the assistant The thing with the assistant Hashtag Ben lives matter

Play that twice The thing with the... Ben, do it. The thing with the assistant... Hashtag Ben Lives Matter. The thing... Play that twice. The thing with the assistant... And we're back. How are your father's finances? Great. They've leveled out after I gave him a major loan. The thing...

Ben, keep that in. Yeah. Ben, play it three times. Okay. Play it again, Sam. Play it again, Ben. Yeah, okay. Okay.

And we're back. The thing... The thing in Jurassic World with the fucking assistant, right? again, Ben. We're back. The thing in Jurassic World with the fucking assistant, right? Oh, God. Where she's like made a ragdoll of with the fucking yeah, yeah, yeah. Parodactyl. Parodactyl. Jesus Christ.

Parodactyl and everything. Turok the first flight. Turok the first flight. Never forget. So loopy. The thing when Colin Trevorrow had to defend that in interviews

people were like why did he fucking why did she get eviscerated that hard he was like well I like playing with the expectations because we're used to like

if there's a bad guy he's going to get it really bad and if someone's innocent sure Colin okay you know I get the trope

you're talking about but if you're making a movie that's painting on such broad it's a fucking tropey movie it's not a if you're making a movie that's painting in such broad strokes. Yeah, it's a fucking trope-y movie. It's not a subversive movie when you do that. It's called Jurassic World. Right.

The messaging you're giving us is, she's a shitty person. She deserves to die. If you didn't think she was bad, I'm telling you that she was bad. Like, if you want to fuck with the thing, then set the whole movie in the control room. We never see a dinosaur. They're just flashing dots on a screen. That would be a Jurassic Park movie. Jake Johnson and

Laura Lapkus, Lauren Lapkus freaking out. And Vincent Dufri comes to him and he's like what's going on in here? And then he leaves. That is the only moment

I like in that film which has been confirmed was an improv edition by Jake Johnson. It was written differently. Is the scene where he has the romantic speech to Lauren Lapkus

and tries to kiss her. That's the only interesting concept in that movie is, oh, what if everyone in this situation thinks they're the lead of a Jurassic Park movie? Sure, right, right, right. You know, like the guy in the tech room thinks that he's Alan Grant. Vincent D'Onofrio thinks that he's Alan Grant.

Right. Vincent D'Onofrio's in that movie. Yeah. But I just, like, he just understands, like, this film, it's a theme park ride. It's a rollercoaster ride. There are dips and turns, but he wants you to know, like, it's a theme park ride. It's a roller coaster ride. There are dips and turns, but he wants you to know, I know what I'm doing.

I'm not going to lead you astray. Follow the straight line. Yeah. You know? But you also want Sarah to really whack that guy with a nightstick and then his tooth pops out. But that's the thing. Because he's like, I'm going to make it clear that this guy deserves what he's getting.

No, I know. I get what you're saying. All right. We're in the first 20 minutes of the movie. We've been talking for an hour and a half. This happens an hour. That's the thing. It does.

Yeah. Like we said, it's deliberate. Yeah. It's very deliberate. And well, just so well paced. It's very well paced. I love her move of taking the Drano out in the syringe and then sticking it in his neck and then walking.

It makes her walking him feel much more precarious because you're like, God, I don't want to see that thing snap off in his neck. It's rules. You understand. It's one of those things where you're like, well, what would happen if she plunged him? Sure, right. What would this even look like? Would he start vomiting? Would he die immediately?

It's so good. And then in her big escape scene, which she's been planning for forever, right, and we're really into it, what I love is she is so on, and then she just runs into Arnold Schwarzenegger and she just collapses on the floor, basically. She can't see all that.

It's the best. And he starts running back into the asylum. She, like, slides. She's like, you know what, you were right. I'm crazy, let me get back in. She has, like, a Bugs Bunny, like, never mind. And then the movie deploys its quote unquote twist, which we know, I guess. Come with me if you want to leave.

And then he, like, the thing where he just, I mean, I guess he shoots him off, but the shot where he shoots him in the elevator and the head splits open. Yeah. I used to like watch that frame by frame because it was like, I couldn't even believe it when I was a kid. And there is that great thing where the shot, when they cut to the back of his head. You can see it's about to pop open. It's not a properly formed head.

It's not a real person's head. Right. They don't shoot it. It's movie magic. I will say, for a movie that was made 25 years ago, the effects in this movie look fucking great. Well, yeah, and so much of that has to do with how well thought out everything is. Yeah. I mean, like, here's, look, you know, this was the most expensive movie ever made at the time.

I just grazed your hand accidentally, but we're also friends and we can do that. The film cost $102 million. Million dollars. 3.5 times the cost of the average film at the time, says Wikipedia. And there was even a thing where it was going to be like 75, and then they were like 88,

and it kept on creeping up, and everyone was freaking out about it. You can't make a movie for that much money. Especially an R-rated movie, a sequel to a weird, quite popular but not blockbuster film. I mean, it is blockbuster. You know what I mean. And then you cut to 16 years later, and how do you know costs $120 million? Well, look, how do you know is always going to be

a weird footnote and everything, but yes. Well, how do you know that? But also, every dollar of that's on the screen. David's really angry. I was, like, so happy until this moment. Every dollar of that is on the screen, 100%. All those stunts are real. The helicopter.

Apparently, there was a helicopter under the screen. 100%. All those stunts are real. The helicopter. Apparently there was. The helicopter under the bridge. Guys, according to Wikipedia, there was an $11 million Gulfstream jet that was given to Arnold Schwarzenegger. And that is not on the screen. No, it's not. But that's implied in his performance. It is. He's relaxed.

He's relaxed. He can go anywhere in a day. You're right. I take it back. Every night he was able to take the jet back home from set. And self-reported. He self-reported with the Gulfstream jet. he was able to take the jet back home from set and self-reported. He self-reported with the

Gulfstream jet. What I was gonna say is, what I love about this movie is most expensive movie ever made, like groundbreaking use of CGI. This is the first time out of three that he's gonna pull the trick of making the most expensive movie ever made. Right. Yes. Right.

Out of four. They've never disclosed the Avatar budget, but there's no way it wasn't the most expensive. That's what I'm going for. True Lies was also the most expensive movie ever made. Oh, right. And True Lies, I keep forgetting about True Lies. Sorry, True Lies. So four times. Four times he made the most expensive movie.

True Lies, Titanic, and Avatar were all the most expensive movies. Every time he makes a movie, he makes the most expensive movie ever made. All the prosthetic stuff is amazing, the animatronic stuff, and the makeup effects and whatever. But it's the most effective T-1000 thing for me, and it's the simplest and it's like fucking like you could do it in a student film is the splatters on his shirt when arnold shoots him and that's literally just like you

know he's walking they cut to arnold shooting the gun and the next cut he's got the thing on him yeah it's not animated it's not moving They're just in between takes like putting, taping a thing to his chest. And you could see behind the scenes shots of him wearing that jacket and you're like,

oh, that looks shitty. Yeah. When you see it, but in the movie it looks great. He knows like, what's the angle? What's the lighting?

How quickly is it on screen? You know, like that thing. It's a quick flash. All you just need to see is like the splash. Ugh, this movie rolls. So then everyone links up. Yeah. Let's just move the plot along a little bit. All you just need to see is the splash. Oh, this movie rolls. So then everyone links up.

Yeah. Let's just move the plot along a little bit. And they go to Mexico. And they go to Mexico. Well, there's the chase scene, and then they go to Mexico. Chase scene's very cool. No, the chase scene is really... The idea, Robert Patrick looks like he's running faster than he is.

That's so funny. It is very cool. It's amazing. Yeah, the way he just picks up speed, even though, of course, he can't. It works. It also brings up an argument thing. Yeah, the way he just picks up speed even though, of course, he can't. It works. It also brings up an argument that I've had with a lot of people, and this can also be applied to later when he gets shattered, of the idea behind the metal man.

And does he need all of his metal all the time? Remember when he has that little bit that gets absorbed into his foot? He does. Could he be okay without that? What if John Connor had kept that? Is Robert Patrick a little smaller? Because you'd have to put it in a

jar. If you put it in a jar. But it'd probably be able to get out. It would just turn itself into a little spike. It would turn into a little mini. A little mini Robert Patrick. The real question is, if a piece of Robert Patrick breaks off, does that piece

have its own consciousness? That's, I mean, yes. Okay, here's what I... But I think, no. I think you need all the code together and that's why it has to join back together.

And that's, yeah. There's that great scene where like, John is asking him all the questions about like, why wouldn't he turn into a bomb? It can't be complex machinery. It's like, what about weapons?

And it's like spiky things. And it's like, okay, this is getting out all the rules of the character, the things that the audience are wondering right now, but he also still makes a character development because it's like, well, he's a 12-year-old boy. Of course he's going to ask all these weird, silly questions. Yeah, it works.

And I love that he's like, Skynet begins to learn exponentially. You know, he has, it's all like, he's like a Wikipedia entry. He just shoots it out of his brain. I was going to say, with the exception of the tick, just because I took it so seriously, didn't want to fuck around at all,

any time I have to run on screen, and I'm shooting something right now as we're recording, at this very moment, but where I've had to do some running scenes, I always do the T-1000 run. I always do the fucking flat hands. I think it's so fucking funny. Yeah, it is funny.

And it also does make you look faster. Yeah, it does. Because it looks streamlined. Right. A, it makes me look like I'm better at running than I am. And B, I just always think it's the funniest thing to do, to run like you're the T-1000. But no, there's the scene where Lena Hamilton chooses not to destroy him. Where they take the chip out of his brain

to upgrade him, which is good. It just like shows that Linda Hamilton's on board and then they go to Mexico. And this is the moment where Linda Hamilton's twin comes into play

because the way they were able to do that scene, this is like fucking the best movie shit ever. So the way that set was set up, right? You have a fake dummy of Arnold Schwarzenegger's head and shoulders, like a bust of him that she's able to reach into and pull stuff out of. Standing next to that doing the work is Linda Hamilton's sister, her twin sister and then the mirror is actually an open frame and on the other side

of that is the real Arnold Schwarzenegger and the real Linda Hamilton mirroring that's pretty cool that's amazing fucking amazing that's amazing and that's the thing for how much it's going to cost there's a lot of just smart like oh we can just put like a yeah sure it is funny she's got a twin it's a mirror yeah they're like oh there's another one of her great that'll save some money

yeah I just love that like he spends more money than anyone else but also if he can do something simply that was like the big thing it's hard to know with him like yeah you say the money as you say the money is all on screen i can't deny that in avatar there's that one moment when jake sully is like wearing shorts and he gets in the wheelchair and he's got like he's got the weird crippled right and they're like sort of malnourished like you know no muscles or whatever. And everyone's like, oh, that's really unsettling. The CGI on that's amazing.

And he's like, no, we put fucking Sam Worthington in a chair that was cut out and his legs were hidden underneath and we had rubbered legs in front of them. Yeah. He was literally doing a fucking Wienerville trick, you know? Yeah, it's a Wienerville trick. Well, he was a consultant on Wienerville.

Yeah, well, Cameron was going to do Wienerville at first, and then he left to do True Lies, and Mark Wiener took over. But I think in the Mexico scenes, this is where I had this thought of, I think you get a lot of character development. It's like a little bit of a slowdown. Let's develop some characters,

especially with Schwarzenegger and John Connor yes that's where like the Ocelovista baby stuff comes in the smile scene which is my favorite fucking scene in the movie

the best him attempting to smile is so funny I think I saved a picture here go on it's so funny it is so funny it's great work from Arnie

I was like I think that if Arnold did this performance today he'd have a shot at an Oscar nomination yeah maybe also fucking Linda Hamilton should have been on it Linda Hamilton would I don't know that Arnie would I think that if Arnold did this performance today, he'd have a shot at an Oscar nomination. Yeah. Also, fucking Linda Hamilton should have been nominated. Linda Hamilton would.

It's insane. I don't know that Arnie would. I think they just can't take that kind of thing seriously. Do you guys, because I looked this up, because I figured he would be best supporting Arnold. Arnold? No. What? Are you crazy?

You think he'd be lead? He was so big at the time, there was no way they would make him support him. Wait a second. There's no question he wouldn't be lead. Are you fucking crazy? I don't know. Of course he's lead. Hey, Sam's our guest. Jesus a second. There's no question he wouldn't be lead. Are you fucking crazy? I don't know. Of course he's lead. Hey, Sam's our guest.

Jesus Christ, he might have the most screen time in the movie. Sam's our guest. Sorry, I got very mad. I get very mad about categories. Well, I think maybe he'd be lead. He'd definitely be lead. See, I think they would have done a tricky thing and made Linda Hamilton support it. No, they campaigned her actively for lead.

They really tried to get her a nomination. She's very much a lead actress. Do you know who the other- I thought they would have tricked it. I wrote this down. Do you know who the other lead actors were who were nominated that year? In 1991? Yeah, it's 92.

It was the 64th Oscars, 92. Anthony Hopkins? Yeah, he won for Zons of the Land. Right. For like 18 minutes of screen time. Yeah, which is insane. Totally deserved. Insane, but also a great performance.

No, it's a lead performance and it's totally deserved. There's no question. He is the lead of the movie. It's a great movie. You watch it and the math doesn and it's totally deserved. There's no question. He is the lead of the movie. It's a great movie. You watch it and the math doesn't check out. You can stop watching and still like,

no, but he's in all of this. Exactly. It feels like he's in every scene. It's not a supporting performance. It just isn't. You can be timing it and be like, okay, 1754

and then the second the movie ends it goes up to an hour and 20 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Love him in that movie. Go on. 1992. These are hard. I would say these are kind of

okay is jeez do you have any guesses David oh sorry I wasn't really thinking about it 92 best actor is that JFK year

yes so Costner is not nominated no he's not nominated weird Tommy Lee Jones is for supporting right weird no I always forget that he wasn't nominated yeah who were Jones is for supporting. Right. Weird.

No. I always forget that he wasn't nominated. Yeah. Who were the other guys? Hanks didn't have a... No. No. Okay. Oh, Jesus.

It's the Bugsy year, right? Yes. Warren Beatty for Bugsy. It's De Niro for Cape Fear. Yep. Sorry, I'm just kicking into trivia mode right now. You were looking up the picture, and now you're immediately recalling the other... I can't find the picture either.

It's really annoying. Okay. It's Nick Nolte, Prince of Tides, and Robin Williams for Fisher King. Stone Cold. We got Stone Cold. Stone Cold. Which, like, I think Schwarzenegger.

We used to call David Stone Cold sometimes. I'm not saying that, you know, I haven't seen Bugsy. I'm not saying that. I didn't find the picture, but I did find my favorite poster of the year, which I saved. Hellerween. It's for Tyler Perry's boo. It's so good.

It's so good. Hellerween. Sorry, carry on. My point is- Good afternoon. Good afternoon. So you think- Where would you put Arnie?

I would maybe- I mean, like, I didn't- You're going to fuck over Nolte? I don't love Robin Williams and Fisher King. Oh, I like that performance. Nolte's really good in Prince of Tide. He is. He's the best thing in a really shaky movie.

I've never seen Bugsy, so I can't speak to Warren Beatty. Beatty's good in Bugsy. De Niro's good. I might lose Beatty. De Niro's good. De Niro's good in Cape Fear, and it's De Niro, so it's. No, no. I would have lost Beatty.

He's definitely good. I would have lost Beatty, and then Best Actress for 1992 Jodie Foster wins Gina Davis for Thingamajig and Susan and they're going to be in there Who are the other two?

I'm going to have to look it up You've got Laura Dern in Rambling Rose which is a very well deserved nomination for an up-and-coming. Yeah. But I mean, I think if Schwarzenegger was ever going to have a performance

that could have gotten nominated, it was this one this year. Well, this is unquestionably his best performance. He's amazing in it. It's the movie that weaponizes all of his strengths and weaknesses and makes them all intentional. The fifth nominee is Bette Midler

in For the Boys. Oh, get that the fuck out of here. I know. Are you kidding me? I love Bette Midler. But I mean, she'd already been nominated for The Rose. I think, that the fuck out of here. I know. Are you kidding me? I love Bette Midler. But, I mean, she'd already been nominated for the Rose. I think, I'm pretty sure she was. I don't think you really... Yeah, she was nominated for the Rose.

I don't think you need to give her. No, we can get that the fuck out of there. Look, Divine Miss M, we appreciate all you've given us over the years. Linda's great. Yeah. And his Oscar clip should have been John Connor asking him to smile.

Yeah, T2, I mean, it was nominated for six Oscars and won four. But all visual stuff, right? Visual, sound, cinematography, editing.

It didn't win cinematography and editing. Right, but it got nominated for those two. So those are like big boy categories. But yeah, it should have been in there.

You know, that was especially, back in the day, they really segregated out like this sort of big sci-fi movie. That's why I think today he would have had a better time. Yeah. He might have. But that is why the Aliens Best Actress nomination is so like. Yeah, it's awesome.

It's amazing. It just doesn't make sense that they'd be cool enough to do that in that moment. Every once in a while they'll have a really cool nomination but you also, you go, well, they'll never win. Yeah. Like,

the nomination's great but it's like, they will never have the balls to give the Oscar to someone like Melissa McCarthy for Bridesmaids. Right.

Well, and here's like, this is another one I think about all the time. At the time, Johnny Depp being nominated for the first Pirates of the Caribbean was so fucking cool.

Yeah. And now it feels annoying because he's done it seven more times to diminishing results. You know fucking cool. Yeah. And now it feels annoying because he's done it seven more times to diminishing results. You know? Yes. But at the time it was like,

that's an amazing performance. I feel like he almost got close. He won the SAG award. Who won that? Bill Murray was. It was the Penn-Bill Murray split. And he was sort of the outside. But Depp won Best Actor at SAG.

Was Sean Penn one for Mystic River? Yes. I guarantee you 100%. You might be right. There was this thing where Penn and Murray were splitting each other so much that it was like Depp could maybe sneak in. Yeah, he won. Good for him.

He should have won that year, even though now it seems like he's maybe a terrible person and that sucks or something. I don't know. It's bad. Well, yeah, it's very hard to watch those performances now knowing what we know. I'm talking about Griffin Newman.

Thank you. Five comedy points. No. It's difficult to watch, you know, those performances now knowing as we do present day that, you know, he of course would go on to make Alice Through the Looking Glass. I think I made that joke before on this podcast.

To go back to Schwarzenegger's performance, the other great moment he has I think is towards the end when they're in the steel mill. Giant Dib's a piece of shit. Yes. Five truth points. He's in the steel mill and he's trying to tell john to run away and throughout the movie he has always spoken he's still spoken monotone but he's like learned

some you know he's been a little smart alecky when he says john you've got to go now he says it with a force that hasn't happened yet yeah like that we haven't seen that character do. I agree. And an emphasis in speaking, you know? Well, and that's, look, I mean, this film works so well around the confines of what he can do because it's like the most human he can be is robot who's just started to become human. Yeah. The most human he can be is kind of robot who's like maybe a little John Connery. Right.

Like, you know, got a little John Connery in him. Yeah. He gets that toot, that rude toot. A little bit of a rude toot. Escape Plan, which is by and large a pretty uninteresting movie, Sure.

has this scene in it. With John Conner? With John Conner, where Schwarzenegger needs to distract a guard. So he starts speaking in his native language, pretending to have

a mental breakdown. It's the only good scene in the movie. He's amazing in it. And you go like, wait a second, we always make fun of the fact that he's wooden and he uses it to his advantage. Right, but now you're seeing him in his

natural language. He gives this great naturalistic performance in this one scene of like a man fighting mania. And you're like, oh, he just never got over the language barrier. Like it's very hard to act in another language. But he never feels like a human being. He always feels like a weird heightened thing. Yes. I mean, it doesn't help that he

also made a ton of movies where he is a weird heightened thing in the movie I mean it doesn't help that he also made a ton of movies where he is a weird heightened thing in the movie. And he made a lot of really bad career decisions. 100%. And then he was the governor of California. Which was a terrible career decision. It really hurt his movie career. It really fucked with it.

It really did. He didn't make a lot of movies. No, he did. It was weird. Weird choice. But I just think it's like for a performance given by Arnold Schwarzenegger in the English language, Terminator 2 is like this is the way he's going to look the best I just feel like you know if

you're gonna run for governor you should be called the governator I agree do you remember when everyone was like they did this big wind-up of like Arnold's about to announce his next project he's just left office his next project what's it gonna be and everyone's like freaking out and then entertainment weekly had the, which was Arnold's animated series called The Governator, where he's a governor who wears a leather jacket and has a team of like

four kids and a dog and they go fight like societal crimes. I love it. I love the idea of him being in his office and being like, hot, that's a great idea.

You know, like someone pitching this to him. Stan Lee was executive producer. Wrote it. It was called The Governator. Yeah. He fucking had a leather jacket and a team of kids, and they were animating it,

and it got canceled because the news broke about him having the love child. Oh, sure. Also hurt his career. Yeah, but suddenly they didn't want a thing that's like, Arnold, team me up with kids. They like shit-canned it. They were already animating episodes.

Okay, we are halfway through Term 2 yes they go to mexico all that stuff she has the nuclear dream yeah in mexico which is good which is necessary you need to understand good motivation yeah exactly how fucking driven she is by this like nightmare see the dog again i don't mean like just the nightmare she has you do see the dog again. You do see the dog again. The German chef. Yeah, but it's really hanging over. She can't turn it off.

She's thinking about this all the time. And so we sort of, well, yeah. So then the movie is actually, plot-wise, is incredibly simple. Their whole plan is like, let's just go to Cyberdyne Systems, which is going to make Skynet. Well, they didn't have that plan.

That was her just going, right? She has that dream because their plan is just to make Skynet. Well, they didn't have that plan. That was her just going, right? She has that dream because their plan is just to escape. That was my understanding was that their plan was- You might be right. Their plan is like- Yeah, she sets out first. She writes the future is not set with the knife or whatever. No fate.

Yeah, no fate. There's also that moment I love where she's watching the T-800 and John Connor high five each other. And there's like the. And she has the internal monologue about like he's got a dad now. And that's when she's okay with leaving. Right. Because she in theory is like kind of on a suicide mission.

Basically. She's like, I don't know if I'm going to die. I forgot. It's her who decides to go to Cyberdyne. Yeah. To just blow everything up. And we have, of course, we've been dropping in these little moments at Cyberdyne where it's like we realize like they got, it's like a time loop thing.

They got the arm from Terminator in one. So then they could make the Terminator or whatever. It really cooks your noodle, to quote The Matrix, in that if. Bakes your noodle. Sam and I just shook hands. Is it bakes your noodle? That's what the Oracle says. When do you bake noodles?

Excuse me, are you not a Jewish man? I don't know if you are I have no idea I don't eat Jewish food I guess you bake a lasagna Yeah exactly You can bake some noodles Bake ziti

Ever hear of bake ziti? Is that not a noodle? We're really going after Sam right now He's on the ropes He's sweating He's on the ropes And you can just tell That we've really devastated him And I'm proud of us for doing so.

Excuse me. No, I'm good. Okay. Really bakes your noodle. It really bakes your noodle. But to talk about Dyson, another really great performance. Great performance. Joe Morton. The great Joe Morton. And also I will say that Cameron could have done this classic thing where they go,

they convince him what's going on, we're gonna go, we're gonna destroy all your stuff. Dyson easily could have been a villain. Dyson easily could have made that turn of like, no, I'm gonna, you're telling me I'm gonna be brilliant? But his performance is, yeah, it's perfect. It's like, you believe him. He's convinced, he's genuine,

and he loves science. And he loves Esa-Patha-Merkerson. Yes. He gets so excited when talking about it. Even when he's shot and he has the arm out, he's still like, yeah, we're going to like the breakthroughs, things we never imagined. And then he's like, then he realizes again what it's going to cost. But all from an arm?

I don't know, man. Come on. I guess they have the little chip too. He ripped it. I mean, and he also saw it's the same arm too. Well, right. Which is cool. But I just love the idea that's the same arm too. Well right, which is cool. But I just love the idea that they find this arm and they're like, arm? Interesting. We could arm the computer

system. How are we supposed to imagine? What I also love, it's a classic time travel trope. No it is. It's sort of a closed loop thing of like okay they're trying to prevent this thing but actually that's what started the thing. They only were able to reverse engineer the technology from the remnant of the Terminator that they had in need.

And of course, this is all playing into what the emotional climax of the movie is going to be. Which is not right. Well, but also, you know, that he has to melt himself. But we're getting to that. Of course. Love it. Yeah, I know now why you cry.

Yes, I know now why you cry. What's wrong with your eyes? Yes, there is this element of, like, the Terminator becomes the stepdad. And when she's in the hospital, it's like she's freaking out about him being there without her. Right, right. She just doesn't trust the world. He's going to, like, get off the path. My son is out there alone.

Right. Or whatever she says. And she, for the first time, is like, there's someone else who cares about my son and understands what's at stake. And can protect him. Yeah. She's really good in the whole Mexico sequence. She has to play a lot of shades. So she tries to shoot Dyson and like just before she finishes the fucking job she does shoot him.

Yeah but I love the fact that like she's like the hero of the movie you know. And here's this scene that's like really frightening like it's very frightening yeah yeah you imagine it from their perspective and it's about the murkerson right it's like joe morton asked about the murkerson are two of the most like empathetic actors very empathetic actors really good like fucking like salt of the earth human like behavioral actors and now you have like sarah connor coming in lynn hamilton's like ripped yeah she She's decked out in the fucking sunglasses and the hat, and she's armed to the nines. And she's coming in, and it's just terrifying.

But it is because she's assuming that he's going to be, in a way, the stock version of that character in a shittier movie. The guy who's like, you can't derail my career. And he's like, wait, no, no, no. I'm a guy. I'm a guy. I'm a normal person. We can do this together.

He doesn't fucking double cross her. He just wishes that he could be the wait, no, no, no. I'm a guy. I'm a guy. I'm a normal person. Yeah. We can do this together. You know, he doesn't fucking double cross her. He just like wishes that he could be the best scientist in the world, but understands what's at stake. And he wants, when they are in Cyberdyne destroying stuff, he takes the axe from Arnold. Yeah. When he only has one functional arm. Yeah. And he's like, no, I've been working on this for 10 years.

Yeah. I want to be the one who destroys it. He smashes it up. And smashes the big chip. Well, look, he's a scientist. Why'd he get into science? To help the world. So as much as it hurts him to destroy his own creation. Jesus, you guys are a real

boner for fucking Dr. Dyson over here. Yeah, I fucked it. You're talking to two boner boys for Dyson. Oh, guess what? He blew up! Also, his breathing in that scene. Oh my god. And his hand is just sort of hovering over the detonator. It's great.

Yeah, they go to blow up Cyberdyne. It's cool. It's cool. What do you think? Do you think it's cool? Yeah, it's a fucking bass. Can I say one great thing I discovered, again, watching these two movies back to back? So in the first movie, in the I'll be back scene, right?

He says, I'll be back. Sure. Drives the car. Gets a car, drives into the police station. This is something I didn't realize. In the second one, he says, I'll be back. Goes, shoots him in the kneecaps, shoots him with the gas.

Goes, gets a van. Gets a van, drives it in. And drives it in. To rescue him, mirroring. Never noticed that until these viewings. He says it like that. Yeah. But it's like, and it's great.

It's great. The Cyberdyne scene's really cool. It is almost comical the way he shoots just so many knees. It's just an incredible amount of knees are mutilated. That's a devastating injury.

It's very painful, I think. I think it's no fun. It's the second most painful place to be shot besides the stomach. Yeah. It looks fucking awful. Yeah. Everything about this movie's cool. Everything, yeah, I know this is the thing we've gone for very long, but it's like, Fucking awful. Yeah. Um. This movie,

everything about this movie is cool. Everything, yeah, I know this is the thing we've gone for very long, but it's like, everything in the movie

is cool. Gatling gun. Gatling gun. The mini gun. Him standing in the fucking punched out window and the lights

hitting him perfectly. It's so methodical the way, and then. And he just got that like shoulder duffel bag with like the fucking rounds, you know? I mean, what's cool about the terminator and about so many action heroes right is like that

he does not seem to care that he is so awesome right like he doesn't go like is he like it's sort of like the matrix scene where they're all just dropping the weapons when they're done with them you know it's like they're like methodical when that happens in rambo it's like well this is a little gross well in rambo he's supposed to be crazy exactly but i'm in Rambo, it's like, well, this is a little gross. Well, in Rambo, he's supposed to be crazy. Exactly. But I'm saying, like, in this, it's like, well, it makes sense because he's a robot. He's not programmed to be self-aware. And the Matrix, it's like, well, he's a rubbit. And in the Matrix,

it's like, no, this is real. It's a computer program. Like, I love that this movie, like, has the moral ground to be like, he can just be fucking badass and not like... I just want to say, I just love the way the T-1000 gets into the helicopter and, like, he can just be fucking badass and not like... I just want to say, I just love the way the T-1000 gets into the helicopter and like turns into a blob and then like kind of blobs

his way through the window and then he like turns he gets a helmet back and he like talks to him while he's still in metal form. Get out. That's so cool. And the guy just jumps out of the helicopter. But that's the same thing Schwarzenegger says in the first one. Yes. Yeah. Get out. Yeah. Which is great. Great line. Thanks James Cameron for your great in the first one. Yes. Yeah. Get out. Yeah. Which is great.

Great line. Thanks, James Cameron, for your great screenplay. Yeah. Copy. You were saying off mic that this is his best screenplay. I think I might agree with you. Yeah. I think like in terms of dialogue and like I don't think that's, I think that's his weak point as a filmmaker.

It is. And I think this is like a good like. Yeah. I love me some aliens. Yeah. Yeah. Aliens is a good screenplay too. We don't have a beef with Aliens. Yeah. Yeah, Aliens is a good script to do. We don't have a beef with this movie.

No. We don't. There is a thing for me. Like, Aliens and T2 are neck and neck for my favorite Cameron movies. And any time I'm watching one, I'm like, well, clearly this is the better one. Yeah. And then I watch the other one, I'm like, well, clearly this is like. I need to watch Aliens again because I think I've only seen it once or twice.

Yeah. They're both sequels. That's why. Avatar 2? That's the thing. Like, on its face, I watch Avatar and I'm like because I think I've only seen it once or twice. Yeah, they're both sequels. That's why- Avatar 2? That's the thing. Like on its face, I watch Avatar and I'm like, I like Avatar a lot. I think it ends perfectly.

I hope it's called Avatar. There's no way it's going to be called Avatar. Avatar. Avatar. With a dollar sign? Yeah. On its face- That's a reference to an episode that hasn't aired.

When that movie ends, I feel no need to go back. Much like Jack Reacher, I walk out of that theater going, never go back. On its face. That's a reference to an episode. When that movie ends, I feel no need to go back. Much like Jack Reacher, I walk out of that theater going, never go back. But then you hear that Cobie Smulders has been signed. God, if Cobie Smulders is in Avatars. Yeah. What about Avacars? I would love it. Disney Pixar's Avacars?

Exactly. They all have a ponytail. I think everything after Dyson Everything after Dyson the cars everything after Dyson that whole action sequence very streamlined leading into the chase leading into the

steel mill stuff is so good so clean we didn't wait we didn't even talk about the fucking motorcycle chase earlier oh yeah

where he like grabs John Connery through the LA river shotgun through the LA river and he's like cocking the gun by like swinging it around over and over again

and also you have that part where he walks out of the fire and it took all of Terminator 1 for us to see Arnold without skin. And that's like half hour in, we see full metal Robert Patrick. But yeah, as you were saying, yes, the chase, the sequence of chases that carry on from the Dyson season. I will say, this is something, Griffin, you and I talked about after Avatar, about the way Cameron directs action, which is he does it in a way where you can always tell where one character is in relation to the other. 100%. He doesn't Michael Bay it, especially in the later Transformers films, where you just have no idea what's going on.

You just see it's like a flurry of action on screen. This is like clean, well-paced, thought-out action scenes. Even when the scale of it is really big. Yeah. There's a moment

that in the LA River motorcycle chase that I was like, this is so indicative of his entire sort of philosophy as an action filmmaker which is,

you're mostly focused on John Connor and the dirt bike. The dirt bike, yeah. Dirt bike. Dirt. Dirt bike. Yeah, it's a meme. Okay.

T-1000. Pepe. T-1000 in the truck. Sure. Right? Yeah. And that's like what you're focusing on. And Arnold is on a higher level.

Yeah, he comes down. He's in a higher plane. Okay, but before he comes down, you're like focused on cutting back and forth. John Connor looking over his shoulder, T-1000, the truck, the two vehicles together. And then he just cuts in and it's not like a flash, like a bay, like just snippet. It's like a solid

like, you know, six to eight seconds shot of just Arnold from behind on his bike at the elevated platform. And then there's the truck and then there's the dirt bike and you see them all in one frame. So that when, like 30 seconds later arnold crashes in you know where it is yeah you don't see arnold doing anything cool it's actually just three vehicles maintaining the same relative distance from each other nothing badass is happening he's just like i just want you to

know where everyone is it's just one shot literally where he's just like i just want to make sure you want know where everyone is he picks the la river because it's a repetitive stretch that looks the same wherever you are. So if you know where they are in relation to each other on the LA River, there aren't twists and turns. It's not going to change as a background. It's like the fucking best. In the post Dyson chase, a scene I forgot about,

when Schwarzenegger is on the hood of the truck just firing into the T-1000 through the windshield. It's like, that's so cool. It's all so fucking cool. It's so fucking cool. It's so cool. Very cool. Yeah.

The steel mill is rad. It's just like an epic looking place to have a final confrontation. Oh, great choice. And the colors are just unbelievable. It is. The colors are great. I feel like when we were kids,

lava was the number one killer of all things. No question. Because we played a lot of Super Mario and Sonic and things like that and Terminator 2. Right.

It was like, what if you really need to kill something, number one option put it in lava. And then you had the competing volcano move. Of course.

Yeah. The coast is toast. That was the tagline for Volcano. It's the greatest tagline that ever happened. Tagline for both, I think. No, no. Dante Speaks the tagline for Volcano. It's the greatest tagline that ever happened. Tagline for both, I think. No, no.

Dante's Peak's tagline was like, that's a daunting... And you remember their tie-in. A daunting peak? Is that what you thought? It was a daunting peak. A daunting peak. Can I do it? What?

Ten comedy points. Thank you. You remember what the Wonder Bread tie-in was for Volcano? True. The toast is toast. Outrageous. Truly outrageous. Here is the tagline for Dante's Peak.

I shit you not. Exploding soon. No, thank you. No! All right. But then you get, again, with satisfying. Again, we're talking about satisfaction. The fight between Schwarzenegger and the T-1000 in the steel mill is everything you want to see.

It's him getting thrown against the wall and flipping. Where he flips, where Arnold punches him in the head, and it becomes his hands. It's like, oh, it's all so good. Their fights are so cool. I love it when his hands. It's like, oh, it's all so good. Their fights are so cool. I love it when they fight and it is like the sort of unstoppable force meets the immovable object shit. You know, where it's like

they don't really know how to deal with each other. Like, especially where they grab each other and they kind of just like swing each other around and like bang off of things. Cool. And there's no talk. There's none of that like terrible

like villain hero. One-liner shit. Yeah, and it's just like they're just two robots fucking fighting each other Two things Two things One, I just want to point out that we're two hours into our episode and the AC just got turned on

Second of all Second of all He unlocks the gates when he's coming down to the other river He unlocks it with a shotgun And here's how you know the T-1000 is bad He doesn't unlock the gates when he's coming down to the Yellow River. He unlocks it with a shotgun. And here's how you know the T-1000 is bad. He doesn't unlock the gates. He morphs through them. Morphs through the gates.

And then he has to pull his gun through and it's a cool shot. That's how you know he's a bad guy because he doesn't unlock the gates. You've got to unlock the gates and then lock them. You must unlock the gates. Linda Hampton, Sarah Connor, she locks the gates and snaps the key off. That's locking the gates. She was the original Marc Maron. I mean, really, if you think about it, Sarah Connor was the original

Marc Maron. She is Marc Maron. She turns the key and then she looks back at Dr. Silverman and she goes, so who are you guys? Who were your psychiatrists going up? Who were your big guys? The young guy? I mean, when he hit the scene, that was crazy. I remember I was working the door at the Young Institute.

What I was going to say is that a thing this movie does so well is the whole movie you're like, how are they going to fucking beat the T-1000? It's actually impossible. You're racking your brain. You're going like, there's no way to stop him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then they freeze him.

Right. And you're like, oh, that makes sense. sense oh even that didn't work it's so cool the way his like leg snaps off while he's trying to walk i would argue the coolest it's great uh and then the lava thing is like of course that's the one thing you can fucking do is like he's not gonna be able to get out of there he falls in this thing but it's this perfect thing where it's like so many movies you're like hey just do that and you'll kill them you know it's the classic like cowboys versus aliens thing where it's like just stab him in the stomach the done weakness done right right or the thing where it's like someone's unstoppable and then they come up with some deus ex machina that's like that's bullshit you couldn't stop him yeah but you gotta blow up the core right you're giving them an out at the last second and this is like no you spend

the whole movie going it's impossible and then when they present the solution to you you're like yeah that's right. That's smarter than anything I could come up with, but that actually totally makes sense. And from the moment he, I mean, after the freezing thing where he comes back and reforms, they start showing that the heat is affecting him. Without Schwarzenegger

having to go, oh, the heat will affect him. It's like they show where he grabs the pole and his arm gets stuck and his feet are melting into the ground. And those ripples that go through him. Oh, very cool. So cool. And it's also this thing of like-

Everything is cool. Everything is cool. It's a cool fucking movie. I like a good vat. Go on. The steel mill looks cool. There are fucking Tony Scott reasons to set in a steel mill because you've got a lot of cool fucking like layers of visuals and whatever yeah but it also is like the way they beat the t1000 is environmental and it could not have happened any earlier in the movie like it's not like oh

they should have fucking done that an hour ago yeah the movie they can't overcome this obstacle until finally they have to lead him there yeah and it is like the platonic ideal of drama where it's like the environment the characters the story it's all like fucking and it's also cool yeah like just even the fact that she's finally come around to Arnie you know and then but she like kind of has to get rid of him I don't know like

yeah she's also come around to John at that point too because at the beginning like right after they break out of the asylum yeah and she's like I didn't need you to break me out which is true she didn't need him she was in the middle of breaking out and they showed up and she's like seems very cold towards him and he's like crying he doesn't care

and then by the end in the steel mill they're hugging she's like trying he can see her trying to protect him and like what and like she proves her love to him in those scenes and Arnold proves his love to them. Yeah.

You know? Him coming up on the conveyor belt and also just following that rocket, that one last shot, that one last like bullet he has, that one last rocket bullet from the like pickup truck chase to him picking it up,

to him finding it again. It's true. Like, oh, so good. And also Arnold in his final scene of the movie, the final amount of battle damage is one of the coolest looking characters in history that is true they find the perfect like mix the exposed kneecap the scrape across the chest with the shirt ripped off one arm the total eye it's the fucking best and then they they kill the guy he can't self-terminate well uh

he now knows why he now knows why we cry. Right. And then he does the final thumbs up. But it is cool when they blow up Robert Patrick and he's like

this weird like puppet thing that's like his head is hanging upside down. He does look a little like a penis playhouse. I know that I just keep

saying that everything is cool in this movie but everything's really cool. What am I supposed to fucking do? It's the coolest movie. What am I supposed to fucking do? What do you want me to do? It's a little Matrix-y when he falls into the vat and his mouth opens up

and it turns him inside out. Yeah, and he turns into the different things he turned into. That's cool. Today, they would have fucking green-screened everyone in. But the net gold scene says on that thing, every single actor who he takes the form of at some point was in that fucking tank.

And they covered them with goo. Goo! The detail I really liked that she had was because they had to do so many takes and because she had to be dry at the beginning of each one that she's wearing a wig in that. So they could have a series of wigs. Right, right.

And have her drown, come back up, new wig, you're dried off. That is very cool. Yeah. But then, he knows he does now know why we cry because he has to self-terminate yeah because you know he's gonna miss that he's got the but also he's got that chip in his brain they got to get rid of him does that imply to get that chip now feels emotion i've thought about that line a lot because it's like does that he

understands emotion i don't think it's the concept of emotion. He gets it. He intellectually. Watching this after having watched Star Trek The Next Generation, I think there's a lot of data stuff. And also a character that had existed. Like what? Because that was 89, right? That show started. 87. 87, really.

So Data was already a beloved character at that point. I think they incorporated some data into him. I mean, that's sort of, I mean, now mocked thing of like, you know, why do you cry? What's that water coming from your face? Like, or whatever. But I also think. Are you leaking? Not that he's ripping himself off.

Quite the contrary. A lot of shades of Ripley and Bishop in Alien. No, no, no, no. He wears shades on his face. Sunglasses. That's what you're talking about. Right. Yes. No, but yeah, you're right. Bishop. Of course. Bishop's great. Three comedy points. Thank you. But there's that same

thing in Aliens where like Ripley just inherently doesn't trust Bishop. And at the end she, you know, it's like not bad, you know, for a robot. It's great. it's great but he yeah it's satisfying

yeah I agree with that like he takes you home Cameron takes you home satisfying movie he gives you a ride home yeah and her emotional journey is at the end of this movie she's like look maybe there's hope for us all if a robot can figure this shit out you know I so wish the franchise had ended I really wish there wasn't anything else.

Or that James Cameron had made Terminator 3. Like, I'd be fine with that too. I just am not fine with what happened. But don't you think the reason James Cameron never made Terminator 3 is because he knew there was no satisfying third Terminator? Maybe, but I think it's also the Linda Hamilton shit. Probably.

I think there was that, and I think the other element was the rights were so fucked up for so long. And the ride is great. The ride's amazing. The ride's the best If the ride still exists if anyone can go see the ride.

I think it's Japan made. There's one operating T2 3D. Look it up. It's really good. Alright so we should wrap up but we should play

the box office game. Okay and then I have your favorite segment but let's do the box office game. Is it the orange voice file? Yeah. exactly. All right. All right.

Box Office. This film made $204 million domestic. Number one film of that year. Yes, $519 million worldwide. I know. Adjusted for today, that is $420 domestic, and they don't do the worldwide because they can't adjust it. Did it open 4th of July weekend?

It opened on 4th of July weekend. They knew what they were doing. They knew what they were doing. To number one at the box office with $31 million which I think at the time was a record opening weekend. That was the 3 day or the 5 day or whatever? Thank you for asking that.

I know. Because the four day weekend or whatever it is. Was 52 million. Wow. In 91. Wow. So I didn't look at the other films. Right.

Sure. Because I didn't want to cheat on this. But I just looked at when you can sort of see the weekend by weekend breakdown without seeing on Box Office Mojo what the other films were. I think adjusted opening weekend would have been like 80, 100. Do you want me to adjust? Yeah. Shall I adjust?

Yeah, I think it was just about a $100 million weekend. $107. Yeah, crazy. Very good job, guys. Very good. Very good. So number one is that movie. Number two is the film that was number one the previous week,

a comedy sequel. Now we've never had... With a hilarious title. I'll say this. We've never had a guest on who I felt could go toe-to-toe in the box office game.

I don't know if I can do this with you. I think you have a better shot than anyone's been had on. Not in 91. Okay, so 91, it's a comedy with a hilarious... It's a comedy sequel with a hilarious title.

Is that what you said? I think it's a funny title, but it's messing with the very formula. Just while you think about this, I'm going to compliment you too, because Elena and I have listened to this podcast together. Oh, and you play the game? No, I can't. Whatever.

You play the home game. We have the board game. She's been like, I can't believe Griffin can do this. Sometimes it's amazing what you'll pull out. It's true. I mean, you're like, when it comes to movies, so smart and other stuff. I'm an idiot. Complete fucking idiot. People ask me all the time, how do you know all this? It's like, when it comes to movies, so smart and other stuff. An idiot.

A complete fucking idiot. People ask me all the time, how do you know all this? It's like, you would be- It's 80%. It's the only thing you have in your head. You'd actually be frightened if you knew what I don't know. It's like, sometimes I'll sit down and just think, does Griffin do this? Like some kind of basic life thing. No, largely no.

90% movie stuff, 10% places to poop in NYC. Well, I've got that 10 do you know how happy i am that the tick got picked up because it's like i don't got a lot of options yeah there's a couple of things i can do really well so what was number two in 1991 the weekend of july 4th i just want to point out past guest morgan evans i uh at comic-con we were at a party together and he just played a game where he picked the top 100 films of all time at the domestic box office and would be like this was the final total

and I could usually get it right and if I was wrong I was like oh no that was 37 okay so one above it was. Okay. Anyway. Good job bragging. Okay.

So it's playing with the very Hot Shots Part 2. Not that. Good guess though. It's not Sister Act 2 Back in the Habit is it? It's not that either. So you're saying That title is hilarious of course. It's a hilarious title. Because the pun. When you're saying it's part do. Not that. Good guess, though. It's not Sister Act 2, Back in the Habit, is it? It's not that either. That title is hilarious, of course.

It's a hilarious title. Because of the pun. When you're saying it's playing off of it, you're saying it incorporates the idea that it's a sequel. The joke has to play off of the fact that it's a two in the title. You have a guess. Is it a comma T-O-O? No. Interesting.

Which I don't think is funny. I don't either. And I don't want you to do it. I was testing you and you passed. Sequels. Okay. There's another sequel in this top five. Interesting.

But it's not this. Can I ask, was there a third? There was. Is it Look Who's Talking? No. Yeah, because he said it's not a comma T-O-O. Oh, okay, that was T-O-O. But it plays off the two.

You think it is funny, the way they used the title. As a kid, I thought it was funny. It's not funny. Okay. It's not that funny. Is it numeral two? Is that the joke they're doing? Mm-hmm.

Is in the title. Jesus Christ. It's not. Okay. I almost got excited. Is it Beethoven's second? It's not. Good guess.

Maybe it's a little later. But that is worth getting excited over. Okay. I'm going to ask you two questions. Yeah. Can you tell me again what the weekend gross was? And can you tell me what the weekend gross was and can you tell me what the final gross

was on the film? Weekend gross this week, $11 million. Final gross on this film, $86 million domestic. Not bad for a comedy sequel Pretty good. About quadruple its budget.

1991, and it got a third. Got a third, but not a, no, just three. Definitely just a third. And the third also has a hilarious title

playing with the very nature of its sequel. Did all three feature the same actor? Yes. David, I'm so embarrassed it took me this long to think of what it is. I know. I know you're embarrassed. It's Naked Gun 2 1⁄2, The Smell of Tears. That is correct.

Well done. Yes. I'm very embarrassed. That's actually my favorite of the Naked Gun films. I think that's the best of the three. I think I agree. I think it's the best one, too. Once a year, I rewatch all three'm always I feel like I'm close.

Remind me what was the second one? The second one is Jesus Christ. I always get the plots confused. The second one is the one with Richard Griffiths where he's the professor and they're twins.

Right. Twins. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And all the stuff with the Queen of England. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. No. Because the first one's the Queen of England at the game. I'm going to fucking kill you. All right.

Third one's the Academy Award. Third one's the Oscars, yeah. Number three is one of the biggest movies of that year. A huge hit. Starring someone Griffin has worked with. I was going to guess it before you even said. I feel bad that you gave me that answer. I'm sorry, I just wanted to mention it. Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, right?

Everything I do, I do it for you. The cause. Number four is another one of the biggest hits of the year. Okay. A hilarious nebbishy comedy that was, I believe, the first R-rated movie I ever saw. I think it's R-rated. It's a nebbishy comedy. You know what?

It's not R-rated, but it was rated 15 in the UK. Interesting. But it is a PG-13. So it would have been more objectionable by British standards. I guess so. It made $125 million domestic. And it is a PG-13. So it would have been more objectionable by British standards. I guess so. It made $125 million domestic. And it's a comedy. $179 worldwide. People forget. People remember

that this movie was a hit. They forget that it was a huge hit. The actual level it was at. And like in its third week it's made $74 million. And it's Nebushi. Is the entire tone of the film Nebushi, the lead actor Nebushi, the entire tone of the film Nebushi the lead actor Nebushi

or both more the lead it's the comedy is in the incongruity sure sure you know you got a Nebushi couple guys

three guys actually three Nebushes I think I know what it is it's a sequel right it's not a sequel this is the first one but you know what it is

it's an Oscar winning film oh then I was going to get it wrong but now let me think about. But you know what it is. It's an Oscar-winning film. Oh, then I was going to get it wrong, but now let me think about it. I know exactly what it is. Yeah. I was led astray. For a second, I thought it was Three Men and a Little Lady. Sure, sure, sure. It is not that.

It is, in fact, City Slickers. Correct. Three Men and a Little Lady didn't make that kind of cheese. No, Three Men and a Baby did. Oh, yeah. Three Men and a Baby was the highest grossing film of its year. Of 1989, right? Fucking Leonard Nimoy joined. 88, yeah. Three men and a baby was the highest grossing film of its year. Of 1989, right? Fucking Leonard Nimoy joint.

88, because I think Batman was 89. God damn it, it was City Slickers? It was City Slickers. I've been guessing that as a joke for many episodes. Ben!

It was City Slickers. God damn it, I was going to say it as a lark, and it was really the movie. All right, go on. I think it's Jake Gyllenhaal's first ever on-screen appearance.

Number five is a sequel. And it was definitely PG-13. I wonder why the Brits had such a tough time with that movie. Alright, go on. I think it's Jake Gyllenhaal's first ever on-screen appearance. Number five is a sequel. It was definitely PG-13. I wonder why the Brits had such a tough time with that movie. Maybe they say fuck a couple times. That's what it was. It's too American for them. Because there's a cow birth scene. There is a cow birth. I have not seen it since I saw it when I was 10 years old.

British censors hate cow vagina. Jack Palance being of Oscars. I said it won an Oscar. I said it won an Oscar. So, number five is a sequel to a comedy movie. I never saw these movies. They always freaked me out

when I was a kid. The video, the poster. This is fascinating that three out of the five are comedies. Hey, it was a funny time in America. Murder was at an all-time high.

91 people wanted to laugh. Yeah. The LA fucking riots had just happened three out of the five and all of them were franchises i mean they're two city slickers yeah i mean this one is not a friend this is that may be trying to make a franchise i mean honestly which is the sort of the same that happened to city slickers i mean nobody really wanted to know what the legend of curly's gold was i thought i did until i found out i was proven right yeah

exactly well no one i mean the person who looks at that movie was like, this needs Lovitz. Yeah. Like it made a big mistake. Yeah, they took a bad turn the second they lost Bruno Cervé. So I've never seen either of these movies. I don't know. So there are two of them. This is a sequel.

This is the second one. It's a comedy. Okay. You don't like it. But I've never seen them. I just don't like it. It just sort never seen them. I just don't like it. It just sort of would upset me. No, I get it.

Okay, and... Can I tell you... Give me the numbers again. Give me the numbers again. Oh, fuck. This made $5 million in its opening weekend and $25 million total. Oh, so the sequel fucking belly flop. No way, Jose.

And when was the first one from? I'll tell you this. This movie was written by the people who went on to create American Crime Story, The People vs. O.J. Simpson, Scott Alexander and Larry Karaszewski. Is it one of the Problem Child pictures? It's Problem Child 2. You got it. I think there was a Problem Child 3.

I'm looking that up. I think it went maybe straight to video, but I believe there was a Problem Child 3. That was the whole thing, was that like when they wrote Edward. Junior in Love. But it was a TV. Okay. Is Clifford part of the

Problem Child franchise? Maybe. Is it Martin Short's Clifford? How dare you sir. That is a fantastic movie. Hey, hey, Ben. I like Charles Grodin a lot.

Sam is our guest. I do too. We all love Charles Grodin. I wasn't saying it was bad. I was asking if it was in the universe. I want to say Mason. Some other movies in the top 10.

The Rocketeer. Oh, hey. A cult classic. Dying Young. Yeah. No, no, no. With old Julie Robbs and Campbell Scotts. Let's not forget.

Which we did talk about on our singles episode. Yes. Premiere Magazine famously predicted it would be the highest grossing film of the summer. It wasn't. No. They guessed it without gross. All of the films we It wasn't. No. They guessed it without gross. All of the films we've already discussed. Backdraft.

Ron Howard Fireman joint. Howie Long. Soap Dish. Howie Long. Another Crystal. Hey. I like Soap Dish. No, wait.

Crystal's not in that one. No, you're thinking of Soap. Crystal's in Soap. Right. Guys. Yeah. It's been like two hours. I know.

I know. I know. And Thelma and Louise is in there. I know. We're done. We're done. What's your dumb segment you want to do? Mission Day Spotlight.

Oh, well. I mean, there's so much. There's a lot of toys. There's one in particular. Okay? The teaser trailer for Terminator 2 was great. Is that the one that ends with, this time, there are two?

I think that was the first official trailer. The teaser trailer was all footage that wasn't in the movie. There are two. I don't even know if Cameron shot it. It was like one of those made just to be a teaser teasers.

And it was the Terminator factory line. Oh, I saw that. Oh yeah, that was very cool. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And the teaser blew up. And I think it's one of the few times

it went viral on YouTube in 1991. Merchandise made off of a teaser, something that does not appear in the film. There was a toy, my friend had it, this was years before I saw Terminator 2, called the Bioflesh Regenerator, and it was a replication of this.

You'd get a little plastic endoskeleton, and then there was the factory line, and there was plastic pink gummy goop, and you would pour into like a mold. There we go. So it's like a mold. It almost looks like a creepy crawlers type thing. I remember this too. I had a friend

who had this. It's a weird thing. So it's like essentially it's a creepy crawlers but with the skeleton planted inside of it. It's like creepy crawlers. And then what you would do was there was a little plastic scalpel and you can cut away and show the damage. And it would smell terrible. Sure. It was cool to look at.

God knows what we were being exposed to as children. But it smelled terrible. It felt really gross in your hands. And then it was very hard to wash off. But I remember just being like, someday I'm going to watch this franchise. This toy inspired me to one day watch the Terminator movies. The BioFlesh Regenerator. You can find a lot of YouTube videos of people

using it. It's a creepy, weird toy. Especially because it's not contained within the film at all. It's based off of a teaser. Also, very quickly, the closing, the credit song, You Could Be Mine by Guns N' Roses. True. At the height of their success. And they tease it a little bit at the beginning.

Yeah, they do. Dirt Bike Johnny. It's weird. Apparently, Arnold negotiated with them to have the song bit at the beginning. Right. Dirt Bike Johnny. It's weird. Apparently Arnold negotiated with them to have the song be in the movie. Okay. And then also there's a moment you might recall when Arnie first pulls out the gun from the flower box. Yeah.

That's supposed to be a play on Guns N' Roses. It's a gun in a box of roses. You're welcome. Thank you. You're welcome. I'll say like, Guns N' Roses and Public Enemy

were like two of my favorite bands in like my angsty days. Still are. Yeah, still are. But certainly at that time like this movie spoke to me so hard where I was like you're repping my two main

like bro bands? Oh boy. Like bro bands. Have you been chatting with Chuck D any time recently? No, Chuck D does follow me on Twitter

because he said he liked Draft Day. Yeah, that's very cool. I remember that. He tweeted that he was watching Draft Day and cracking up. And you like, you know, you harangued him on Twitter because he said he liked Draft Day. Yeah, that's very cool. I remember that. He tweeted that he was watching Draft Day and cracking up. And you harangued him on Twitter until he followed you. Yes, and then someone retweeted my haranguing, and then he responded to the person who retweeted it and was like, hey, man, sorry, to my friend Sam Boyd.

He was like, great work in the movie. And then I was like, hi, Chuck D, sorry to bother you. Appreciate you saying the kind things. You meant to direct this towards me. I'm not going to go to sleep until you write to me appreciate you saying the kind things you meant to direct this towards me I'm not going to go to sleep until you write to me that you like the movie and he didn't he follows me on Twitter the future guest of this show

I'm all for it this has been our Terminator episode and boy did we have a great guest on this one yes we did guys thanks so much for having me this is my favorite movie it's always a pleasure to talk about it we went rogue on this episode rogue gal that is. I've been listening. And with that it's all been dashed. Rogue Nation.

I've been binging your show. I think it's a great show and I'm honored to be a part of it. That's such a good show. Your guys' voices are in my head quite often. It's weird to think about that. His girlfriend won't stop complaining about it. Oh boy. In the bedroom.

Okay, so this is Terminator 2. Sam Raagal, you're the best. People can catch you. Metal Boy. Wednesdays. I'm also Fridays at the Magnet Friday night show. Every Friday at 8.30 including tonight. Oh my god. So if you go into the pass and listen to this. Well, we are recording this on a Friday. It's Friday. Every Friday.

Every Wednesday, every Friday at the Magnet, you will see me. You can be seen every Friday, every Wednesday. Ben, thank you for producing the show. Please remember to... Yeah, no problem. Yeah, rate, review, subscribe. I owe you one. Great.

Yeah. Next week, we will be talking about True Lies. True Lees. True Lees with... True Lees. And this is exciting. Yeah. With Dural Milligan.

We are completing our run of the Black Man Can't Jump in Hollywood host that's right Long Promise a draw will be our guest and we are very

very excited for that I hope you listen to that agreed hope you keep terminating please keep on terminating maybe we'll do

the careers of Jonathan Mostow one day and we'll do Terminator 3 yeah U571 baby not a bad movie. U pod 7 cast.

What? No, I just want, your laugh is very genuine right now and I want the microphones to pick it up. U pod 7 cast. McConaughey's in that joint. Yeah, he is. Alright. Thank you for listening. Yep.

And as always, all lives matter. Oh no! No, Griffin! You got me. Play it twice, Ben. Play it twice. Fine.

And we're out. What are you doing? Well, I hate the quote. I know, what are you doing? I don't want to ruin it. Well, why don't you tell me? That's part of the fun. Why don't you fucking tell me what you're doing? That's the opposite of it well why don't you tell me that's part of the fun why don't you fucking tell me what you're doing

that's the opposite of what I want to do I wish you could tell me right now hey you know I was thinking about how in the first movie the future

they portray it doesn't happen in the second one because they changed time they did how's that that makes a lot of sense

that's cool they do still portray a future yeah but it's a different version of the future. Yeah, that's how they get away with it looking way cooler. Hell yeah. So this quote is long enough that you couldn't memorize it. What the hell, Griffin?

Don't do a super long thing. It's not going to be a super long one. I did that last time. And it's never any good. It always kills. Yeah, oh, it's shorter than I thought it was. It's shorter than you thought it was. It's shorter than you thought it was. Yeah.

I think, you know, Liquid Metal Man, that shit holds up. That looks great. Guys, let's start the podcast. Save it for the podcast. This has been a UCB Comedy Production. Check out our other shows on the UCB Comedy Podcast Network.