Blank Check with Griffin & David - The Devil Wears Prada with Romilly Newman

Episode Date: September 10, 2017

This week’s special episode is our first ever family edition with sister of Griffin, Romilly Newman, who picked one of her favorite films: 2006’s fashionable dramedy, The Devil Wears Prada. But is Runway magazine an accurate interpretation of Vogue magazine? Whatever happened to movies debuting the newest cell phones? What were other films the brother and sister watched together? Together they discuss, Anne Hathaway and Meryl Streep’s career trajectory, Halloween costumes, email hustling, and the montages oh the montages. And check out Romilly’s writing at http://www.romillynewman.com/

Something funny? No, no, no, nothing. You know, it's just that both those belts look exactly the same to me. You know, I'm still learning about all this stuff and... This stuff? Oh, okay, I see. You think this has nothing to do with you. You go to your closet and you select, I don't know, that lumpy blue sweater, for instance,

because you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself too seriously to care about what you put on your back. But what you don't know is that sweater is not just blue. It's not turquoise. It's not lapis. It's actually cerulean. And you're also blithely unaware of the fact that in 2002, Oscar de la Renta did a collection of cerulean gowns. And then I think it was Yves Saint Laurent, wasn't it, who showed cerulean military jackets?

I think we need a jacket here. And then Cerulean quickly showed up in the collections of eight different designers and then it filtered down through the department stores and then trickled down to some tragic casual corner where you no doubt fished it out of some clearance bin. However, that blue represents millions of dollars and countless jobs and it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion

industry when, in fact, you're wearing the sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room from a pile of podcast. Podcast? A pile of podcast. Okay. Are you Meryl Streep? Yes. He's Meryl Streep.

No, I know. Just in real life. I mean, that was really good. Oh, thank you. That was pretty good. Well, I've seen this movie a number of times. Hello, everybody. My name is Griffin Newman.

I'm David Simmons. You messed up on lapis, but I was proud of you. You just went through it. Lapis was not the best choice. No, no, no. What are you wearing? You're wearing blue right now. That's kind of lapis.

It's almost, yeah. Kind of a lapis. So this is a very special episode we have here. The podcast could blink check. Yeah, no, I'm looking at lapis right now. It does. It corresponds. It's quite similar. The podcast could blink check. Mm. Mm. Yeah, no, I'm looking at Lapis right now. Sure. And it does, it corresponds.

It's quite similar. We're kind of in a context. And this is a podcast. About birthstones. About birthstones. This is a podcast about filmographies. Directors who have massive success early on in their career or issue a series of blank checks to make whatever they want.

Sometimes they'll check clear, sometimes they bounce. But we, usually. Sure. Mm-hmm. Sometimes they'll check clear, sometimes they bounce. Usually. But we're in between miniseries now. Now people think they know what happens in between miniseries. I've gotten texts, people being like, oh, what's Ben's choice this time? You don't know. Well, producer Ben's going to choose a movie, right?

The Ben-ducer is going to choose something. Producer Ben is going to choose something. They're going to have a producer Ben choice. Yeah, I mean, what am I going to pick? The meat lover is going to make a choice. The fart detective is going to make a choice. The poet laureate is going to make a choice. Dirt bike Benny is going to make a choice.

The tiebreaker is going to make a choice. Birthday Benny is going to make a choice. I'm going to pick something. Whose choice is it? It's the poet laureate. It's the choice of the finest film critic. That's what you guys say about me. He's doing all the names.

You know about this? No, I don't. It's Pieper's choice. The Pieper's choice, baby. He's given Ben a lot of names over the years. Years we've been doing this podcast. And look, the man who gets those choices has graduated to a series of titles

over the course of different miniseries. I guess he has. That's true. Producer Ben Kenobi's choice. Kylo Ben's choice. Ben Night Shyamalan's choice. Ben Sate's choice. Say Ben-y- That's true. Producer Ben Kenobi's choice, Kylo Ben's choice, Ben Night Shyamalan's choice, Ben Sate's choice, Say Bennything's choice,

Ailey Ben's with the dollar sign's choice, Warhouse's choice, and, you know what? I'm going to call the shot now. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Purdue Urbane's choice. Yeah. Nice. Purdue Urbane. I like it. Yeah? Purdue Urbane. Feels right. Yeah. No, I'm

into it. But we're throwing you off our scent this week. Yep. After all that Ben talk. After all that Ben talk, Ben, you don't got the choice. I don't get to pick this time. I'm sitting. We've teased this episode. Came up in our

mailbag episode and people demanded it. So we're instituting a new tradition. Sure. It's family night here on Blake Check with Griffin and David. Yep. He blew out the mic just a little bit. No, no, it's fine. He's fine.

He's fine. The first of what may be a trilogy of family episodes. Not consecutive. No, we'll do them. They're just in the hopper. Each of us is going to get to have a family night. Yeah yeah uh bring your family member to podcast day yeah yeah who are you bringing well i don't have any brothers or sisters i was gonna say i think it's your dad i feel like your dad's the one who's who looms over the imagine ben's dad on this podcast i would love

yeah we'll make it happen it would have to be some like hard sci-fi movie no no we pick something that he hates and he'll just get mad. No. We do Clifford again. Leave your poor dad alone. No, we do it to him. We got him. All right.

Okay, okay. Introduce your sibling. Today, you might have heard her. You know her best from the introduction of this podcast. She is one of my best friends. She is not one of the two friends. No. But she is one of my best friends. I'm blowing up today on this mic.

She is my sister. So we go way back. Way back. Yeah, all the way back. All the way back. You remember her birth, I assume. I do.

Yeah. I'll get to that in one second. Sure. And she also is a chef and a food blogger. I was about to say

a food blogger. A food blogger. Remember that game Sno say flude. A food blogger. Remember that game Snood? Yeah, great game. I still have it. Me too. Sorry, I'm waving to... Romley Newman, ladies and gentlemen.

My sister Romley Newman is here with the first ever Rom's Choice. Rom's Choice. And you want to tell us what movie we're talking about today? We are talking about The Devil Wears Prada. Now, I called this shot for you because in our mailbag episode, someone said you get invoked a lot in this podcast. Yep. They said if Romley was ever on the show, Romley Newman, formerly of The Endurance. You're going to have to.

Oh, of course. Right. Interstellar. Character in Interstellar. Oh, I know. With your name. And we just talked about that movie. So people find that very funny.

People are pausing the podcast to reattach their sides after they split. They have split. Yes. They're buying some tiger balm for their ribs because they have been aggressively tickled. Some icy hot? Yeah.

Yeah. And those slapped knees. I said, I thought you would pick Devil Wears Prada. And then people said I would listen to that episode. And then I asked you, is that a fair choice for you? And the thing is that it is. I have a list of movies that I think are good, really good movies that when people ask me what my favorite movie is, I pull from that list. You've like constructed a list that you feel like

it's very curated. It's very curated. I'm not saying it's disingenuous. No, no. You have a list that's like, this is my cinematic world that I want to convey to people. If you want to know what I think are good movies,

you can look at this list. But if we're talking about my favorite movies, which are very different. I agree. It's Devil Wears Prada. Ratatouille definitely makes it in there. It's honestly a lot of animated movies. A lot of Pixar movies.

Unsurprisingly. You listeners might be surprised to hear that a sibling of mine who is nine years younger grew up watching a lot of Pixar movies. And the crazy, when Frozen came out, I became obsessed with it. Really obsessed, like unhealthily obsessed with it. And that's why, because I was like, what the hell is this? This is the best thing I've ever seen.

And people were like, you know, it's not one of Disney's best movies. And I was like, are all of Disney's movies like this? You didn't give Romilly the Disney experience? I was kind of deprived of his child. It was Pixar, are all of Disney's movies like this? You didn't give Romilly the Disney experience? I was kind of deprived of a child. It was Pixar and Muppets. Yeah. No, I mean, I know what you like. Yeah. Silly little boy. I have a Miss Piggy and a Kermit the Frog

stuffed animal in my room. Sure. And I only have seen Pixar movies. That's not true, but that was your main... I've never seen The Lion King. That's surprising. I've never seen the lion king that's i've never seen little mermaid sure yeah you haven't seen a lot when were you born romilly not 1998 right you know so you are born after the renaissance you're quote unquote the bloom was off the rose

uh well sure i mean but yeah came of age during the dead the the exactly that's what i'm saying period right mulan was like the last i've never never seen Mulan. Right, Mulan's 98 and Tarzan's 99 and that's the last big. Yeah, is there any? After that, they enter a fallow period.

Oh, oh, Lilo and Stitch was the one you grew up with but that was the oddball. Oh, I love, but I love Lilo and Stitch. That's always been a weird one. You know,

that it exists when it does is always been funny. And it was also like, I think it was animated in France. It was like, they didn't think

they were going to give it a big release because it was the same year as... It is a weird movie. Treasure Planet. You guys are highly disrespecting The Emperor's New Groove, which is one of my favorite late-grade Disney movies. Oh, see, that one's great. Love that movie. But this is the point.

Because Tarzan's the last traditional big Disney movie. And then the ones that are good from that point on are Emperor's New Groove and Lilo and Stitch. Why am I mispronouncing everything? I flew back from Australia yesterday. I have not slept much. David Smiley. I got a big smile. Those two movies were atypical Disney films.

They were like breaking the mold. But that's also what was happening at that point in Disney. I just like the idea that you had to curate. You were like, okay, Lilo and Stitch is weird enough. We can show it to Romilly. That was also the new one. I took you to see the other ones. You didn't like any of the rest of them.

What other ones? Around that time, you saw— Like you took her to see Brother Bear? I don't know about Brother Bear. I definitely took you to see Treasure Planet, which you don't remember. No, I don't. You would have been very young for Treasure Planet. Some people like Treasure Planet.

It's fine. People who are younger than me, they have more of a fondness. Here's a movie you have no memory of having seen, but I distinctly remember taking a seat opening weekend. Home on the Range, which was the cow one with Roseanne Barr. No idea. That was the last traditionally animated one before they went to CGI. And then the CGI ones are Chicken Little, which sucks.

Yeah, that's a bad one. I have seen Chicken Little. I know. I've seen all these movies with you. Meet the Robinsons. Meet the Robinsons, which is okay. Sure. Bolt.

It's a dog. I saw that by myself. No, I saw that with you. I saw thatinsons, which is okay. Bolt. It's a dog. I saw that by myself. No, I saw that with you. I saw that by myself. You might have seen that. I saw that by myself. Okay. Leave it be.

Because that was before you had Scruffy when you wanted a dog. Yeah, I was upset. Right. I want a dog. But Devil Wears Prada, just to speak to blank check, is perfect for us because we're never going to do a David Frankl miniseries. This guy lucked into this movie and he is a garbage man. And he's been dining out on it for 15 years. 10 years.

The whole time I was watching the movie, I was wondering who he was. He's a guy. He's sure a guy. So he made one movie. He made a couple movies. His first movie before Devil Wears Prada. This was only his second film. I'm sorry.

He makes one movie and he does a lot of TV. Yeah, he made Miami Rhapsody. That's his first movie. Sarah Jessica Parker, Mia Farrow. Sort of classic pre-Sex and the City, Sarah Jessica Parker joint. Yeah. Where it was kind of like not a hit. You know what I mean?

Honeymoon in Vegas. People were like, she's out there. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he makes this one movie and then the weird thing that happens in his career is he does a lot of TV. kind of like not a hit. You know what I mean? But like people are like she's out there. Right. Yeah. So he makes this one movie and then the weird thing that happens in his career is he does a lot of TV. Yeah. He made a pilot called

Dear Diary. So that's what I was going to say. Starring Bebe Neuer. And you know what happens to this pilot, right? Oh, it wins the Oscar. It was turned into a short film. They make a 22 minute pilot.

It isn't picked up. They submit it to the Oscars as a short film and it wins. Huh. Which is weird It isn't picked up. They submit it to the Oscars as a short film, and it wins. Huh. Which is weird. I think that's the only time that's ever happened. So he won an Oscar. So he won an Oscar.

Sure. Why don't people do that more? I don't know. Yeah. The only other thing I can think of that's similar to that is Mulholland Drive, which was a pilot that he shot more for. Right. But that didn't win no short film Oscar.

Absolutely not. So he is the Oscar award-winning director of Devil Wears Prada. He is an Academy Award winner. Right. So then he does a bunch of TV. He does a bunch of Band of Brothers, From the Earth to the Moon. He does a bunch of Sex and City, probably because he's rolling with SJP. Still from his Mammy Rhapsody days.

And then he gets this. And this movie's humongous. It is, and it's much bigger than... Anna Wintour said that it was going to go straight to video. She was wrong. Everyone thought they wrote it off. He also did two entourages, which is probably how Grenier gets rolled into this one.

Yeah, unfortunately. Oh, boy, is it. Yeah, a lot of TV. And then since then, he's been dining out on this because he has one other hit. Marley and Me. Marley and Me. Which does very well.

Does do well, but kind of like, who remembers Marley? It was probably the Me which does very well does do well but kind of like who remembers Marley it was probably the first movie to ever make me cry excuse me that's not true because you sobbed

during Big Fish that is true this is these two guys I've been hearing a lot of Griffin stories already off mic

which is bad because we should have had them all on I know big problem we had a couple he had a couple huge flops

Big Year Big Year was a mad that he had a couple huge flops. Big Year. Big Year was a mad, that's the. Which I think is actually kind of solid. The bird watching movie with Jack Black. Owen Wilson, Steve Martin, Jack Black. But it's also got like Rashida Jones and Jim Parsons and Brian Dennehy. I've never seen it. Diane Wiest.

It's this crazy stacked cast. Right. And then you've got Hope Springs, the Meryl Streep, Tommy Lee Jones, Steve Carell sex therapy movie. That's a movie I didn't see. Which says a lot that you didn't see a Meryl comedy because you are all about Meryl comedy. Now, I've never seen Hope Springs. It also has its fans. Really?

Because I was about to say that movie doesn't exist. Well, it kind of, people definitely don't remember that it exists, but you know Bunheads? Remember the show Bunheads? Yes. There's this running joke in the show Bunheads that one of the teen boys at school loves that movie and then in the either the finale or one of the last episodes he does like a whole monologue of Tommy Lee

Jones' from it that is amazing. Did you watch a lot of Bunheads? I watched every episode of Bunheads. He watched as much Bunheads as a person can watch. Exactly. I did everything. I gave them I ate everything they gave me. So I've always thought like man I should. Is that just a gag or like is there something to Hope Springs? But I've never.

I watched an interview with Steve Carell recently where he invoked working with Meryl Streep. And I was like, when did he work with Meryl? Like I remember every movie ever made. And I had to work to remember that Hope Springs existed. Also, when that movie was announced, I believe it was mike nichols was going to direct it yeah and it was still street but it was going to be jeff bridges hot off the oscar and philip seymour hoffman playing the therapist god imagine jeff like marvel mouth jeff bridges right which is kind of i mean kissing cousins with cowboy grump tommy lee jones uh no sure i mean whatever

uh but then that became a movie that just didn't go anywhere. A rare unnominated Meryl Streep year. Yes. Largely ignored. And then he makes One Chance. Which? Let's not forget One Chance. James Corden vehicle about an unattractive British opera singer who

isn't Susan Boyle. Yeah, no, he was on a reality show. Pots, yes. He was an earlier British Susan Boyle type who it was like he gets out on stage and he's really overweight and he looks weird and people are like, and then he sings beautifully

and everyone's like, and then he was famous for a year and they made a movie about him. The big thing that came out of that movie was that was a weird Weinstein movie. We've talked about the Weinstein Shuffle in the past, the Tulip Fever, where it wasn't released

for like three or four years. Even after James Corden started doing the Late Show, the Late Late Show, whatever the fuck it's called, they still hadn't released it. And then it finally got released on like six screens

and David Frankel sued Harvey Weinstein because part of his contract was that he took a deferred salary. How do you know this? He lowered his quote, because this was a story. Okay.

He lowered his quote because he wanted to make the film. Sure. And he agreed to take a larger project. It was a passion project. It was a passion project, but part of that was that there were contractual agreements into how wide the release of the film had to be, and Weinstein had broken those agreements. Dave Frankel's quote, which he had lowered, do you know how much it was? I shudder to hear it. I believe it was

$8 million. That's a lot of money. For a guy who was dining out on one movie. But this movie, The Devil Wears Prada, was a hit beyond hits. It sticks. Was there one other flop yet? Well, and then last year he released Collateral Beauty. Well, right. That's his most recent

effort, which was a flop, right? Yes. It was like a critical flop, but it was also a commercial flop. It was a big commercial flop. So he's had two hit films, but he comes out of nowhere. We'll never cover him again on this podcast. No. We never will. No. Sorry, David Frankel. His IMDb

picture is him with Marley, or a Marley-type dog. Great. That's exactly what I pictured him to look like. Yeah, no, sure. him with Marley. Or a Marley type dog. That's exactly what I pictured him to look like. Yeah, no, sure. I mean, he looks like a nice man. Did he have one other film? What was the thing right after Devil Wears Prada? Marley and Me. We've covered all of it.

We've done it all. We've done the whole Frankl filmography. He did not direct Marley and Me, The Puppy Years, the prequel to Marley and Me. I think Marley Talks, right? It Years, the prequel to Marley and Me. Well, I think Marley talks, right? It sounds great. Okay. Can't wait to watch that.

Stars Donnelly Rhodes. I don't know who that is. Now, you said, like, this is probably your favorite movie in terms of, like, this was kind of your toy story. This is the one you watched obsessively. There is one movie you watched more than this. I would argue there's one movie you have seen more frequently. Because how many times do you think you've seen Devil Wears Prada?

Well, it was interesting as I was watching it last night. I have a thing where I have a hard time watching movies more than once. Sure. Right. Because I was like an avid re-watcher. You were not. You don't have movies you like watch over and over again. No.

I get no thrill out of it. Because for me, it's all about the first experience. Sure. And you're excited. Most of your favorite movies you've seen two times, three times max. I know. And that's the thing. And I have a friend who's always quoting movies.

And so she was like, oh, she listed some movie that's one of my favorite movies. And I just had no recollection of anything that happened in it. I just remembered the feeling of loving it. It's very experiential. It's very. But I don't re-watch

movies. This movie I could probably watch 800 times, enjoy it every time. It's the exception to the rule. It's the exception to the rule. And you probably watched it like 15 times within the couple of years after it came out. Do you own that DVD? Sure, sure. Yes, I have a DVD of it. I think Griffin bought it for me.

I did for Christmas. You're welcome. I'm trying to think of what the movie I've seen. There's one movie you've seen more than this and I know because I have seen it. It is probably number five on the list of movies I have seen most because of how obsessively you watched it. It came out three years before

Devil Wears Prada. It was kind of eclipsed by Devil Wears Prada but this was unquestionably your favorite movie until Devil Wears Prada came out. Until you were eight years old. Daddy Daycare oh you watched he's talked about this movie a lot on the podcast

no one has ever watched a movie more than you watched Daddy Daycare which is especially astonishing because you don't re-watch movies right

and you as a kid were not like most kids have their like movies they watch over and over again I would not watch that I would watch things once and never want to see it again

you watched Daddy Daycare 800 times. Yeah, that really was my favorite movie. I forgot. Did you drop it at a certain point? Well, probably when this came out, honestly. It became like, okay, I'll only watch Daddy Daycare twice a year after Double Wears Prada.

Right, because you would have been pretty young when this movie came out. I was. You were 8 when this came out. But I was 8 going on 40 at the time, and Miranda Priestly was what I wanted to be in life. Romley's goal in life is essentially to be—I don't want to speak for you here, but the joke we always make in our family is your most idealistic dream life through a movie character, the way little boys dream of being Indiana Jones, Rom always wanted to be Meryl Streep and it's complicated.

I think Rom's fantasy situation is in between marriages, remodeling the kitchen. I cannot wait to be 50. Well, you described yourself to me as when you were a little kid as a 50-year-old woman. Right. She really was. But from like,

sometimes I get stressed. I'm like, am I doing enough so that when I'm 50, like, I'll have this perfect life? And I'm, my biggest fear in life is... You're 19 years old now. Let's state that. My biggest fear in life is to get to 50 and be really disappointed because, and most women dread turning 50. You're angling for 50. I mean, I think 50

on, I'm going to just kill it. You're going to kill it. Yeah. Because now it's like, okay, you're a little... So you're just kind of like looking at the watch right now. I'm really just waiting

and everyone's like, your teenage years, your early 20s, like those are the times you'll never get them back. I'm like, I would gladly get them up to be making croissants

in my kitchen and dancing. Like, Ron kind of acted like a teenager when she was like four. Sure. So by the time she was like eight teenager when she was, like, four. Sure. So by the time she was, like, eight. So by the time she's eight, right. She's basically a middle-aged woman.

Right. And this movie was a big activator because this starts the sort of Meryl comedy genre, which becomes, like, your big genre because it's all these roles that, like, are how you want to... But also, this movie, I'd argue,

was very helpful to me because I watched it and I decided that I wanted to be, one, a boss. A literal boss, not just a boss in life. And not a girl boss because she fucked up. No, because girl boss, not a feminist piece of shit. But number two is that I wanted to be, well, I guess this goes with number one, but I just wanted to be in charge and do things for myself. And I greatly sympathize with Miranda Priestly,

as you do. One of the movie's successes, in my opinion. And so it was a big motivator. So I think... Sure, sure. I love that most people, the lesson of this movie is like, you got to find a balance between work and life.

No, for this, it was like, you know what, Romley? Just be cutthroat, screw screw people over get what you want and throw a bunch of designer codes on your assistant's desk she throws them so well i know it's just amazing but this is the thing this is a uh not romantic comedy at all with the sort of dressing of one and so people misinterpreted it that's another reason why I really like it. I love romantic comedies, but I'm always like, the guy sucks. Let's just move on.

Let's show the girl being badass. Sure. This is like, there's no excess. You like the trappings of romantic comedy. You like the aesthetics. You like, dare I say it, the patina of romantic comedies. Super work. You may say that. Right?

Yes. You can say it. But the romance stuff you're not as into. No. This movie is like all the stuff you like in romantic comedies

minus the stuff where they talk to like some lumpy guy. Well, I would say this movie's biggest failings are the scenes where they have lumpy guys. Like the lumpy guys

are the most superfluous part of this movie. Yeah, and that's what I was thinking last night is that they bring it down a little bit. They do. But it's kind of the perfect

amount. Like it's, A, it kind of works in the movie's favor that the guys are lumpy. They're super lumpy. They need to be lumpy. Right, they need to be lumpy. And B, there's not too much of them. No, there's not. I just, I could have done with almost none of them, but yes. Agreed. Yes, I agree.

There's a dust. I think the guys make it a little bit more human. guys make it a little bit more human. And a little bit more realistic. Because if not, you're just kind of stuck in this runway world. You need a little bit of the outside. Because there's no, like, you need the friends. You need just a little bit to bring it down. Rich Sumner's very good in this.

Harry Crane. Oh, I know who you're talking about. You still haven't watched Mad Men. He's very good. Oh, I know who you're talking about. You still haven't watched Mad Men. He's amazing on Mad Men, and he plays the friend, in her friend group who is impressed with fashion. Oh, I love him. Which is so insane in this movie. Can you imagine a man knowing about fashion?

I was thinking about that. Ben is trying to go into fashion. Ben is trying to go into fashion. I'm into it. But you want to move into it as a full career thing. I know you're into it as a lifestyle. Right, right. But every time he says something, everyone's like,

Oh, how do you know that? And I don't. Yeah. It's a little much that she would not. It's very frustrating. There's a few things. I just hate that.

I don't know. It's like this movie was like so made for mainstream audiences, obviously. So it's like sort of trying to get people, you know, it's like you wouldn't do that. But still like, fuck that. They make a joke out of the straight guy. Like get people, you know, it's like you wouldn't do that even now, though. But still, like, fuck that.

They make a joke out of you. I like, why do you know all this? But that wouldn't even happen. No, that would not. It's actually funny how quickly things like that change. Like that joke would just kind of be flat, like where he's like, well, I'm kind of a girl. And it's like, you know, like you've heard of Vogue. I mean, runway is Vogue. But she would know who Anna Wintour is.

That's what that's one of my only problems. She's like, who's Miranda Priestly? You know who Anna is. If you've been to journalism school, you would have heard of her. That line is also stupid because there's just no way someone like that would go into a job interview having no idea who the boss was. Google still exists at that point. She would look it up. Yeah.

She could Google Demarche. She can Google Miranda Priestly. Okay. So we've gotten all our criticisms of the movie out of the way. The rest of this movie is great. But I mean, it's a great movie. I've seen it a bunch of times. Yeah.

Like almost just by accident. It's just such an easy movie to watch. I've probably seen it like probably six or seven times. Did you see it in theaters, Romilly? I was going to ask. I saw it in theaters with you, which was either your second or third time. I don't remember seeing it for the first time Okay sure

So I was wondering if you were there It's like a dream you just sort of But now it's just part of my life I remember you took me to it And it was a big deal that you wanted to go see something in theaters Again Because that was the summer where I Went away to Paris for like a month

Which I'm probably about to do again To hide away from the. I probably saw it. To hide away from the world. I probably saw it with our mom. I believe so. You saw it with Dauphin. Because that's the kind of movie she'd be like, Rom, do you want to see this movie? And I'd be like, yes, please.

It's about fashion. It's about fashion. You were into Hathaway. I was definitely into Hathaway. I probably walked into it a little bit unknowingly, saw it, and was like, oh my God, this changed my life. Griff, you need to see this movie. And I remember seeing it with you a second or third time.

It had already been out for like a month or two at that point, so I knew it was a big hit. And I was like, I'm sure it's going to be like fine. And I sat there and watched you watching it, and it was like those stories that kids tell about like seeing Star Wars for the first time. Like it was your second or third time in the theater and you were like leaning forward all the way with your eyes wide open as if it was like

special effects that were stunning you. Like the whole world of this movie was like totally entrancing to you. And then you got on DVD and you watched it incessantly, incessantly, incessantly. And yeah, and then this Meryl kind of became your like on-screen avatar in a lot of ways. And it became such a thing in my life that Griffin would sometimes have to say, like, you're doing the Miranda Priestly face. Oh, I forgot about that. She used to do it all the time. All the time.

So it wasn't just this is my idol. I mean, I tried very hard to emulate her everyday life. Yes. And I also remember once Griffin and I were going somewhere and I was wearing a ridiculous outfit. And he said, you know, it's funny, my friends were asking me how you dress and I said, you dress like you're an assistant at Vogue. And I was like, haha, that's so funny, but inside I was

like, yes. Goal achieved. I was just trying to remember, you never wore Miranda Priestley for Halloween, were you? Yes, I was. Oh, she was. Okay. Romley has, we'll post the picture on our social media account. Romley from like three to ten had the best run of Halloween costumes that anyone has ever had.

Which included Miranda Priestly, Addie Prey from Paper Moon. Sure. Clementine from Eternal Sunshine. Which in theory was one of the best, but didn't really work out. People didn't get it? It's hard to track that one. I wore an orange jacket. It's just hair and an orange jacket.

Orange, gray, people didn't get what she... She carried around potatoes. But also, my hair is brown, and so the blue didn't really show up. But that's... In the movie, it's like the whole point is the dye's kind of coming out. True, true. Yeah, that's true, that's true. You had the dyed hair and the hoodie, and you carried the potatoes.

It was really good. What were the other ones? Audrey from Little Shop of Hor out. Yeah, that's true. That's true. You had the dyed hair and the hoodie and you carried the potatoes. It was really good. What were the other ones? Audrey from Little Shop of Horrors. That one was creepy. Sure. That was good. Audrey's scary.

You did, the one you did that wasn't directly a movie costume but was inspired by a movie was the girl who just got dumped. Do you know the story of that? I wanted to be Elle Woods.

Thank you. I said it was not directly inspired. Right. Yes. And for some reason it just didn't come together. And I don't know how this came about but I had all these random little trinkets of Elle Woods. I had like the

heart necklace. That was also your favorite scene in the movie. Oh that's true. After she gets dumped when she's walking home. I forgot. You thought that look was really funny. Right. So then I was like. I think that's honestly the best Halloween costume I've done. I think so too. I also had an obsession with having fake cigarettes every Halloween. Well, you were Holly Golightly as well.

Right. And you were Coco Chanel once. Right. And that was kind of the last good year. I think I was like 11. Right. And then you start doing like group costumes with your friends. I was Cyndi Lauper, which is always forgotten.

Oh, yes. That was forgotten. Yeah. But I mean, a really, a really strong portfolio there. Yeah. And then did you just stop? Well, then it was, like, cool to be things that weren't real things. I was, perhaps my worst Halloween costume in history was freshman year of high school.

My friend and I were ying and yang. Yeah, fuck that. Yeah. And so we just wore black and white. Sure, sure, sure. I'm ying and yang. Yeah, fuck that. And so we just wore black and white. I'm not proud of it. I'm sorry, there was a worse costume you had because it's the one that proves that you're a giant hypocrite. Oh yes, this is

yes. 2012, 2013, whatever it was, Rom texts me and says, I just saw Spring Breakers. Oh my god, it's literally the worst movie of all time. Great movie. Right, a masterpiece, an American masterpiece. Don't see it, don't all time. Great movie. Right. A masterpiece. An American masterpiece. Don't see it. Don't see it. It's so dumb. I went to see it the next day.

I said, it's a masterpiece. I mean, I essentially wrote an essay to you explaining to you why. I mansplained. Yeah, great. Spring Breakers to her. Everyone sounds great in this. Right? It was quite literally ten paragraphs. It was a low point, right? But then that year for Halloween she was

fucking a spring breaker I have nothing to say I mean I have no objection is there mash I feel like they have a lot of mash but the thing is

the real problem with this is that it wasn't because we liked the movie or because we thought it would be funny. It was just like, what's a fun costume that girls can do? It had nothing to do with Harmony Korine's random choices. Excuse me, every choice in that movie is very deliberate. How weird James Franco, you know, it was just a shitty costume and an excuse to wear a bathing suit. And I'm not proud. Desecrating a masterpiece, a modern American masterpiece. We've all done things we regret.

But yes, I did have a speed mask. What's your worst Halloween costume? Well, sure. I had a lot of bad ones. Yeah, you did. I also went through a period where I dressed up as visually uninteresting characters from popular movies. Great. So I was John Connor from Terminator 2.

You could get him. If you had the Public Enemy shirt. I did. Yeah, well, that's fair. And I had the jacket and the jeans, but everyone thought I didn't dress up for Halloween then. Yeah, right, because that's not too hard. Right.

It looks kind of like you. I was Bender from The Breakfast Club. Mm-hmm. I was Kanye West one year, which I was very proud of. Oh, boy. Griffin's got a wry smile on his face. It was the gold digger era when he had a very distinctive style. And so I wore like a yellow blazer and pink slacks and like loafers.

Sure. And I had buzzed hair at the time. And I had the Kanye glasses. And I didn't do anything offensive. No, I mean, sure. Yeah. I was Foxy Cleopatra when you were- Oh, Ron was Foxy Cleopatra and that was borderline offensive.

We've all made mistakes. That was borderline offensive. We all- But, I mean, you bear no responsibility. I know because I was in preschool. Right. Yeah, you were four, I believe. I was four and I wore a bikini top, gold shimmery pants.

Bronzer. And a lot of bronzer and an afro to my preschool Halloween party. I went to the preschool Halloween party with the family, and I stood next to my mother as a parent came up to her and said, is Romley dressed as a 70s hooker? That was the honest guess. It was my favorite costume. I've never felt happier on a Halloween.

And you recited the lines too. You had like a squirt gun. You went around going, I'm Foxy Cleopatra. I'm a whole lot of woman. That's what she says. Yeah. She's the best of the Austin Powers female leads in my opinion.

No question. She's great in that movie. I mean, it's actually a of the Austin Powers female leads in my opinion no question she's great in that movie I mean it is it's actually a bit of a low bar because yeah both I mean you're up against Liz Hurley

and Heather Graham Liz Hurley's solid in that Heather Graham's bad Heather Graham's pretty terrible yeah she is but she's a pretty terrible actress no offense to Heather Graham but okay

you know so Devil Wears Prada yes so I take you to see it it's like Star Wars and then you watch it a thousand times. Well, wait, hold on.

Let's hear some bad costumes from you, David. Oh, yeah. I'm not a Halloween guy. I couldn't even tell you. Yeah, as a child, like I was a Power Ranger one year. I was like Spider-Man. Who are you, Kenneth Turan? I made a shell, a paper mache shell, and I was Donatello.

Sure. The best of the turtles. Yeah. Oh, by far. Yeah. He's smart. Did you have a bow staff? I had a bow and then I got it taken away because I kept hitting kids with it.

Sure. Sounds like Ben. Yep. So they took that away from me. Then later in life, because eventually you kind of stop dressing up. It's the thing. I stopped pretty much as soon as I could. Yeah.

Yeah. But then I would be invited to parties and would try to do something. I had one where I just carried crutches around and I was selling them, but I told people not to ask me where I got them from. That's so weird.

It was basically I stole... I had a whole story behind the costume. The more questions that someone had to ask, the better the costume was in my mind. Your costume was guy who stole crutches? From someone. Yeah, and is selling them on the street. Solid goal.

Solid goal. Wait a second. So your costume was you just wore what you would wear on any given day. A very fashionable ensemble. Sure. Right? But then carried around crutches with you and then when people asked you what I was wearing

you assumed the role of the character yeah which was a guy who has stolen these crutches but doesn't want to talk about it right

okay anything else yeah one time I shaved my beard into a mustache and I was giving out free candy but you had to be

young is this a joke oh Jesus Christ a mustache and I was giving out free candy, but you had to be young. Is this a joke? Oh, Jesus. These are ridiculous. God, he's so ridiculous. That's problematic. Yes, that is hashtag problematic. Why?

What's up? I don't care. I don't follow you. Were you at a party with a lot of children no so you just walked around and you're like you're not a kid

you're not young enough for this candy no sorry yeah I can't give you candy well that was exactly what I expected from Ben Hosley I want to note

that the novel The Devil Wears Prada you've never read the novel right by Lauren Weisberger no I have not who was was a personal assistant to Anna Wintour

For less than a year and quit And said that she had a tough time with it And cashed out hard And cashed out Let's be honest And everyone at Vogue has always been like She seemed nice I don't know what she was so upset about

You know, they've always been very chill about I don't know But she wrote this book Book was very good I don't know what she was so upset about. You know, like, they've always been very chill about, I don't know. But she wrote this book. Book was very big. Devil Wears Prada, big hit. When they announced the movie, it was like,

this is going to be, no one knew if it was going to be like a big blockbuster, but it was like, that's a big book. Sure. There was anticipation for the movie. Bestseller. Right.

And then three years, just three years later comes the movie. It was fast track. And Hathaway being in it seemed like, okay, right, that seems to be the kind of career that she's making. It seemed like an obvious choice. Streep being in it was like a big kind of like, wait a second. Well, let me give you both of their sort of.

Sure. You know, like, yeah, because Hathaway. Princess Diaries is obviously the thing. She'd act a little bit as a teenager and then Princess Diaries she's above the title and it's a big big hit right

and then she makes Elle Enchanted and Princess Diaries 2 in 2004 and these movies were why I was already excited you were hyped those were big movies for me

but after the 2004 double hit of Elle Enchanted and Princess Diaries 2 in which they go mattress surfing if you may oh I know they go mattress surfing

yeah she's like I don't want to make kid movies anymore I'm done with Disney she makes Havoc in which they go mattress surfing, if you may. Oh, I know. They go mattress surfing. She's like, I don't want to make kid movies anymore. I'm done with Disney. She makes Havoc, which is a terrible Stephen Gagan movie. And then she makes Brokeback. And then she makes Brokeback in 2005. Which I've never seen. So she's coming off of Brokeback.

Great movie. Which she has a small role in. She's the only one who doesn't get nominated for Brokeback. Yes, that's correct. Of the four leads. Of the four leads. So she was kind of like. She had no shot at getting nominated,

to be clear. No, although I think she's very good in it. She's totally good. It's just, it's the smallest role. Yes. Yeah. She's Jake Gyllenhaal's wife in that movie. And then there's this.

She locked the gates recently. Oh, with our buddy Mark? I guess not too recently. Our buddy Mark. Yeah. She shit her pants and locked the gates on WTF, the podcast. And it was... podcast and it was

I guess it was a couple months ago for when Colossal came out whatever but she talked about like I there was such a big hey we're introducing you

the next star like when Princess Diaries came out sure they put her above the title and the trailer did the like and introducing Anne Hathaway.

She'd been in a, what's that TV show? Get Real. With Jesse Eisenberg. Yeah. But I remember Disney putting their full muscle behind her and the way they did a couple times

they did with Lohan too where they were like, hey, here's our next movie star. We're letting you know that she's a leading lady. That's the crown being put on her. Right. And then the movie was such a like

big crossover success that it felt like she's here and then she talked about on the podcast how she felt stuck for like five years only doing kids movies and not working as much

as she thought she would. I'm struggling to get this and this was like the first big adult role that she really fought for in a studio movie. Mm-hmm. She had done like

studio indie dramas. No, no, you're right. You're right. And she said that she was the first choice for it. Sure. She's well cast.

Then they got Streep. Sure. And when they got Streep, they were like, oh, maybe this is a Tonier movie. And then they took it away from Hathaway. Oh, I didn't know that. And they went to a bigger bunch of actresses. A bunch of bigger actresses. A bigger bunch of bigger actresses.

Cannot speak today. And they all turned it down. And she got it back. And this made her career down. And she like got it back. And this like made her career. McAdams was who they wanted. Rachel McAdams coming off of the notebook. See, I don't think

she would have been good in this movie. I don't either. No, I think Anne Hathaway is well cast in this movie. I think this is the movie that cements her like movie star persona. And the thing is,

I watched this movie, became obsessed with, further obsessed with Hathaway because Princess Diaries is big for me but and then

you know Les Mis happened and I had a bad taste in my mouth from Hathaway but re-watching this movie

it makes me want to rediscover my love for Hathaway we've been raving about Hathaway because on the Nolan podcast we love her

we've talked about her a lot recently in Dark Knight Rises I've been in a real Hathaway head We've been raving about Hathaway because on the Nolan podcast we love her in We've talked about her a lot recently. In Dark Knight Rises we love her in Interstellar. I've been in a real Hathaway headspace. She's a really fucking good actress. There's some I would argue

her facial expressions in this movie really kill it. There's some moments where she just reacts with her face and it's just spot on. It's a really precise performance

and the thing that people will use to criticize Hathaway if they want to is she's too controlled she's too studied. Theater kid. There's a really precise performance and the thing that people will use to criticize Hathaway if they want to is she's too controlled, she's too studied. Theater kid. There's that theater kid thing about her. But this doesn't feel theater kid to me at all. It's also so spot on. Like every moment she makes, even if you can see the gears behind it, it's so artful

and she's not going for the most obvious choice at every moment. I agree. She's also not doing the sort of like klutzy thing. She's not doing a lot of the obvious pitfalls of the, you know,

sort of Swan Princess character she's supposed to be playing. Like, you know, like that you could do more obviously. Right. There is just kind of

a stunning, like, like a ballerina level of just like, look at her fucking technique in this movie. You know? Just like how in control

she is at all times. And the other thing is that I just like kept on thinking about watching this movie because you know? Just like how in control she is at all times. And the other thing is that I just kept on thinking about watching this movie because the Nolan movies are different, obviously, because it's a whole different look, and they try to scrub her down. She's in more of a realistic setting, even though it's a Batman movie and a sci-fi movie. But watching this,

she has such an interesting face. I thought about that the whole time. I just remembered this review of Liza Minnelli in Cabaret or something, where they said that her face looks like it's going in eight different directions. Sure. And the same thing applies to Hathaway, where every element of her face is at such an odd angle,

and angles that don't feel like they're complimenting each other. This sounds like a criticism. It does, but go on, go on. But it gives her this quality like old movie stars where it's like she has this very distinctive face that doesn't look like anyone else and I find her very attractive

but it is this very weird like her eyes kind of slope downwards and she has these very arch eyebrows and her nose points outwards and she has this pouty mouth the scene where she goes to the party at the Natural History Museum and she's wearing that outfit

and her hair is up she looks very old movie star very old movie star but she's got this very expressive face and she's wearing that outfit and her hair is up. She looks very old movie star. Very old movie star. But she's got this very expressive face and she doesn't look like anyone else who's ever existed. It's true. That's a lot of Hathaway talk. A lot of Hathaway talk.

I want to give you a brief Streep summary. Sure. Right? Can we just do a little? Because I have a take on Streep, right? Because that was the big thing. Streep being in this movie felt like a game changer. Because when you look at 90s Streep,

as I'm doing now, it's a lot of her making these like a take on Streep, right? Because that was the big thing. Streep being in this movie felt like a game changer. Because when you look at 90s Streep, as I'm doing now, it's a lot of her making these like prestige-y movies that are kind of bad. And she gets nominations for all of them, but none of them

have really stood the test of time. I mean, I love The River Wild. That doesn't count. But like Bridges in Madison County, Marvin's Room, Dancing at Lufthansa, One Truth Ring, Music of the Heart.

It's all these kind of like weepy... Yeah, Bridges is very good. Bridges is good. I mean, Clint, you know, Clint's a good director. The rest of them are kind of mid-length. But's all these kind of like weepy. Yeah. Bridges is very good. Bridges is good. Clint you know Clint's a good director. The rest of them are kind of middling. But she gets she's like gets the autopilot nominations and then

in 2002 she's in adaptation and that's sort of like a little where people like oh I haven't seen her be funny like this in a few in a long time. And it was one of her more unaffected performances. She's so good in that. Which I don't say,

you know, she's better at doing affected than almost anyone alive, if not everyone else alive. Right, right. More natural performance. She's not doing an accent. She's not doing some

like true story thing. You just don't need to see that. Well, actually she is, but Susan Orlean. And then she's in The Hours. And then she's, yeah, she's doing these weird, like she's in The Manchurian Candidate,

which she's all wrong in. Right. But she's like trying these weird things. She's in a series of An Unfortunate Advance. Which she's very good. She's funny in that.

Yeah. She's in Prime. She's in A Prairie Home Companion. I feel like she's like trying shit out. Right. And then this is like the beginning of her new

like 50-something Meryl Streep superstar run. When she becomes an A-list movie star, like a bankable leading woman, which she had never really been before, weirdly. She'd always been more of the prestige actress. Right, but she'd never had, like, huge hits that she was top-lining.

And the movies she was in that did well were, like, anomalies, like River's Wild. River Wild. River Wild, sorry. It's okay. But comedy had also, thank you, had remained like

her white whale because there was, anytime she tried comedy, people were like, well, I guess we found the one thing Meryl's not good at. Which I think you look back

at those comedies and she's really good in all of them. Death Becomes Her. She Devil was a big flop. Devil Becomes Her, or Death Becomes Her, oh God, my brain.

Death Becomes Her did okay. Death Becomes Her did okay, but people slammed her performance at the time like that's the weird thing it was successful but people went like yeah but Meryl's

trying too hard no but that was always people wanted to find the gap in the armor which I think she's so good in Death Becomes Her sure and then

Postcards from the Edge she got nominated for but wasn't a huge hit very good in that but so comedy had been this thing that people were like it's a little outside of her wheelhouse.

But she's good casting, obviously, playing Anna Wintour. Right. You know? And she doesn't play it as a comedic archetype. She plays it as a real person, which I think surprised everyone. Oh, boy.

And I think that was like... She's real good in this movie. That's the magic of this movie. It was the same kind of like Heath Ledger Joker thing where it was like, here's this really weird performance going on in a movie where you don't expect this type of performance to come in. Yeah. And I know it sounds weird to conflate those two performances, but I think it was the same kind of thing where it's like, what's that doing in this?

Yeah. Yes. Meryl Streep, man. She should have won the Oscar. Who did she lose to? Mirren? Mirren. Yeah, she was going to lose to Mirren.

That's the thing. She would have won the Oscar otherwise. It really is an incredible performance. It's an incredible performance. And it's annoying that she wins for the Iron Lady a few years later, where they're obviously trying to recognize, like, we love this new phase of Meryl. Because this starts the run where it had been like,

Meryl's won twice, she's never going to win again. And then it starts being like, oh, these noms aren't perfunctory. She's maybe... She's doing a whole run of stuff. Right, and it felt like four years maybe where she's runner up to whoever actually wins that year.

Yeah. Doubt she's a ham sandwich, but I think a fine ham sandwich. God, I hate her in that movie. I know you do. I really think it's one of the worst performances as is the Iron Lady.

She's okay in the Iron Lady. It's just a terrible movie. I think she won in Iron Lady for the dementia stuff. How do you feel about Mamma Mia, Romilly? I love Mamma Mia.

Meryl Streep's number one box office hit. Yeah. I love Meryl in Mamma Mia, too. Sure, she's a blast. But that's another example. Because she's a carefree Meryl in Mamma Mia. It is true. Whereas in this, she is not carefree.

And the, oh God, there's so many good moments. I mean, it's an awful movie, but. It's like the worst movie I ever liked that's how I think about mom she's like running an island where like people come to vacation

I just want to be all different Meryls I mean obviously I want to be Julia Child Meryl yep great Meryl oh right which is the other one

that you should have watched two cheese two cheese running wild in that one too that movie should be my favorite Meryl movie of course it's about cooking I've seen that movie once.

Well, the Amy Adams stuff is bad. Yeah, it's really bad. There's actually a cut on Vimeo that removes all of the Amy Adams stuff. But let's say this. Amy Adams in that movie is what inspired you to become a food blogger.

That is true too. Which is now like mostly, I mean, you're about to start working at a food magazine. Right. Somewhere in between Amy Adams and Julie Julia and Anne Hathaway

in Devil Wears Prada. Right. That in between Amy Adams and Julie Julia and Anne Hathaway in Devil Wears Prada. Right. That movie also, how old was I when I, because I started. Julie, it's 08 maybe? That's like right when I started Food Blog. No, that was later. That was 09. I think you were 11.

I started Food Blog at 11. Yeah. Right. It was after that movie. Romley is much more accomplished than either of us, just to make clear. Yeah, Romley's very accomplished. 09, you're right, 09. Right, it was after that movie. Romney is much more accomplished than either of us, just to make clear.

Yeah, Romney's very accomplished. 09, you're right, 09. But honestly, I will say these movies, these Meryl Streep vehicles, have been very influential in my early career choices. Right, whether it's the Meryl character or not, the genre of film she's in. Right, we've got three. It's Complicated, Devereux's Prada, Julie and Julia. Mamma Mia.

Mamma Mia, I would love to own an island. I mean, I'd like to own an island too. No, no, no. I would love to have a bed and breakfast where I cook seasonal food and make people's beds. But I think that's always been. You make like zucchini pancakes for people. Yes. Like the way a lot of little girls have like the complex, the fantasy about like the prince

like rolling up and like whisking you away. Sure, sure. You've always aligned more with like the Meryl It's Complicated Mamma Mia thing where it's like three guys were competing for you and at the end you're kind of like I'm kind of good on my own. That's the thing. The movies that have inspired me have never been about, oh, these people

will come into your life. It's always about you can be this. You can be this one great woman and you don't need anyone else. But you want the attention. You want the guys who are striving for it. That's the thing. Therill comedies i want to be like hey i have everything i need there are these guys who are like less than after and you're like okay let me humor you for a little bit and make some lavender pancakes and i'm good i'd love a lavender pancake no they're actually so awful because i just remember like everyone's criticism of uh it's complicated at

the time was like geez this is the least relatable character conflict I've ever seen. She can't figure out how to redesign her kitchen. It also came out right during the recession and it was ill-timed. But like, Rom watched that and it was like it was like spotlight for her. It was like, this needs to get done.

This is important. Also, a lot of people probably watch that and want to be like bell sure sure no no you don't want to be that character no yeah i'd be like bell just in life i mean it seems like she's got a good career going okay so let's let's start talking about this movie no it's fine uh we're doing good i don't have a train to catch today i just feel great like after the stress of we had to record a podcast about my favorite movie before I had to catch a train everything else

is just gravy this is easy how you doing easy straight I'm really tired he's tired we're gonna do three podcasts this week

what was the thing I was gonna say this movie had I think we talked in our stellar episode about trailers I love right trailers

that I'm very emotionally attached to I don't remember the trailer for this movie this movie had one of the smartest trailers I've ever seen and it started a trend that I'm very emotionally attached to. I don't remember the trailer for this movie. This movie had one of the smartest trailers I've ever seen. And it started a trend that I think somewhat revolutionized industry.

It is used selectively, but every time it's been used well, it makes the movie blow up and become a bigger hit. Yeah. The trailer for this movie was not a montage of scenes. Sure. The trailer for this movie. I have seen this trailer.

It was Hathaway showing up, waiting for the interview and the buildup of Priestley coming out of the elevator. The Gerdure loins. Oh, that was very good. Yeah. No, yes. I do remember this trailer. Was Hathaway showing up waiting for the interview and the buildup of Priestley coming out of the elevator? Yeah, the Gerdur Loins. Oh, that was very good. You know, yes, I do remember this trailer. And I remember being released and being like, huh, this seems like cleverer than I thought this movie was going to be. I will say this movie does an incredible job at sequences. It's a very montage-y movie, which you love montages.

It hits us with two clanging montages within 35 minutes. I checked the time code and yelled about it to Joanna. Also the music. Oh, the music. There's some real time and place needle drops. Suddenly I see. Which was your favorite song after this movie? Of course.

It's stuck in my head right now. But, I mean, obviously just because it satisfied my fashion cravings. When she comes out in all the amazing outfits. The evolution. I remember turning to my mom and being like, that's such a good outfit. And then the next one would come out like, oh my God. It was just really exciting for me,

whether or not it's great filmmaking. But the beginning sequence. The beginning sequence where all the models are getting dressed. With all the fashionable women are getting dressed. And she gets the onion bagel. A great beginning starts like any day. Wake up in your morning routine. That's a great place to start a movie.

He's not wrong. I hit the alarm clock. I want to say this movie has three items of food. Throw on some clothes. Maybe have a cup of coffee. That's how you start a movie, baby. You're right. You're right.

Because we all know that's how the day starts. That's how the movie starts. Yeah, he's right. He's totally right. But yeah, this movie has three items of food that I love that are important to the plot. The onion bagel, the Smith and

Lewolensky steak that is thrown in the sink, which is like the greatest tragedy. And the sprinkling of parsley. I would just call it a food movie right there. It's a movie about food. And the grilled cheese sandwich. No. With's a movie about food. And then it's thrown in the goddamn sink. And the grilled cheese sandwich. No. With the Jarlsberg.

The grilled cheese sandwich with $8 of Jarlsberg in it. Fucking Adrian Grenier is constantly surprised that Dean and DeLuca's expensive in this movie. He keeps saying like, God, $8 of these strawberries are so expensive. No chef would ever shop. Like, no chef like that would shop at Dean and DeLuca. Is he a chef or is he a pizza man? It's not clear.

I do think it's a questionable choice that they have him working at Bubby's. He is working at Bubby's where I used to go. He's working at Bubby's, but he's so self-serious and he's a chef. Bubby's is kind of a fun place. It's good food, but the whole idea... A lot of it's like drunk food. Which I guess is in line

with his grilled cheese making at night. I mean, everything he makes her is always at night when she's stressed out. Sure. And she usually refuses it like a fool. But he's way too serious about his career to... He acts as if he's a top chef. This movie would have

worked better if he was a low-level chef at a much better restaurant. If he was a line cook at a big Michelin star restaurant. I just thought it was an interesting choice. Yeah. I mean, he's a scrub in this movie. He sucks.

He is one of the worst written boyfriend characters. It's so crazy. He really, really sucks. I don't think it's Grenier's fault, but he's not helping. So here's what. When I was younger and I watched this, I actually liked his character. Sure. Probably because he was cooking.

A lot of that. Yeah, he's cooking. watch this. I actually liked his character. Probably because he was cooking. Rewatching it now, I couldn't decide if I found him insufferable or if the character's bad. I think the character's really bad but he's a pretty insufferable

actor. No offense, Adrian. Even his face makes me mad. Yeah, he's got those lips. I mean, talk about this is such a movie of facial expressions. His facial expressions are just infuriating. He purses his lips a lot. Yeah, I know, but it doesn't work.

No, no, no. It does not work. I remember when I first saw this movie, I was like, Jesus, she's got the chef boyfriend who's like totally cute and makes her the grilled cheese sandwich. Why won't she just chill out with him? Of course she's a chef. And then now I watch it, I'm like, this guy is an asshole about her having a job.

Like, the more you think about it. He's mad when she starts to do well. He's mad when she's doing well. It's your job. He does a lot of that. He doesn't care when she's being emotionally abused in the beginning and is wearing ugly shoes. But as soon as she looks good and is getting recognition,

he's like, fuck the job. You're so much better than is getting recognition he's like fuck the job you're so much better than this and it's like no she's actually doing well and it also I mean like maybe this is Hathaway's failing that she's too good that it actually hurts the movie but when she

gets sucked into the world you don't feel like her soul is being corrupted because she has so much integrity. It's like, okay, she's caught up in all this stuff, but she's still a real person. And watching it, I realized that part of why this movie works so well is because you never

want her to quit the job. Ever. Yeah, that's the thing. Quitting the job seems like a bad move. They're like, just do the job. As soon as she starts killing the job, you're like, yes, this is great. Because she doesn't turn into a bad move. Right. They're like, just do the job. The whole time, as soon as she starts killing the job, you're like, yes, this is great because she doesn't turn into a bad person. Right, I agree.

Regardless of the fact that she misses Adrian Grenet's birthday, like, she's still a good person and she doesn't become vapid ever. No, right.

I agree. And I think a shittier version of this movie, and I'm not giving credit to Frankel, I'm giving credit to those two actors. I think a shittier

version of this movie, the person playing Andy would have started playing it more vapid where she becomes insufferable. And I think Priestley would have just been a villain and he would have gone get the fuck away. Instead, she just works really well.

I think her being well-dressed is just an add-on. But it's not like she is well-dressed and then everyone likes her and she's doing better. She actually is in charge of the job. She sells that transformation as an actress. Right. Yeah. But I would say Weisberger's failing

in writing this book. And Helene Brosh McKenna wrote the movie who also wrote We Bought a Zoo. We should shout her out. One of the only podcast episodes Romley's listened to. She's seen that movie. This made her career. It did.

She wrote 27 Dresses. She wrote Morning Glory. She became like the sort of a. That's such a. And she's one of the main forces behind Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. Yes. She like got that on the air.

But this was, this is like such a big calling card movie. Yeah. What was I going to say? Sorry. But I do feel like, it's like when she quits, it's supposed to be triumphant at the end.

And you're kind of like, stick it out for three more months. You know, whatever. She gets the job anyway, I guess. But it almost feels like that's the breakup scene. At the mirror, though. Yeah. It's so true. The mirror.

What do you think the mirror is supposed to be? I thought it was observer. Yeah, exactly. It's not even like the Daily News. I think she's getting a job at the Observer or the New York Sun. R.I.P. New York Sun. Like, it's not that great a job.

She's doing okay. Who's that actor who plays the editor there? He's in like everything that guy. But you know what I was thinking too is that in the beginning why she defends runway is because really good writers write for it. Yeah she's saying like hey they have like a Joan Didion piece. So why doesn't she just start writing

good things for runway? Move over to editorial. Right. Hey. Maybe because like my thought was we're all savvy New York people. Correct. But there is this accessibility of it being a little bit more mainstream. And my whole feeling of what we're

discussing is it's like the common man is going to sort of appreciate these choices in the story or something. Does that make sense? I just love you saying the common man. We're just looking at it from a career choice. Yeah, because all of us in this room would be like,

fuck, I'm sorry, I missed your birthday. Who gives a shit? I'm hustling, motherfucker. There's something kind of fantastical if you are far away from New York about the very world that this movie is taking place in. And this movie is, what were we going to say?

It's such a New York movie, too. It's such a New York movie, and the point I was going to make is, it's working off of some of that same-sex-in-the-city mojo of, like, look at this, except it's kind of popping the hood on the car and showing you how the stuff actually works. It's not just, like, where's their money coming from?

Where are they getting all these clothes from? Right. Like, this movie's about how that world is structured and functions. Which I think makes it more interesting. One thing it does well too is she doesn't start buying those clothes. She's given all those clothes. If she showed up at work wearing all those ensembles, you would be really mad.

She's making $32,000 a year. If that, in 2006. Okay, so beginning of the movie, she is a journalism graduate. She's a high school graduate. She's a high school graduate, then she went to college. She's a journalist coming from Northwestern, which has a renowned journalism school. Yeah.

Our father's alma mater. True. Yeah. After a few different pit stops. Sure. She's at Condé Nast. I mean, it's called something else or whatever. Yeah.

And she's been, I think the idea is she's being sent around to a couple of the magazines. She's got her connections. She's got her referrals. But nothing's really sticking. She's going in for a bunch of interviews. And she is sort of whooshed into Miranda Priestly's office to interview as her second assistant. Right. Next to her first assistant, Emily, played by Emily Blunt.

Jesus fucking Christ. Who's nuts good in this movie. I mean, so good in this movie that she almost got an Oscar nomination, which is pretty crazy when you think of no one who knew who she was and she's playing like a total should-be stereotype character. Our mother, when she first saw it. It's her second performance on screen. In a movie.

I think she'd be in some TV. Mostly stage stage but our mother and I we went to see My Summer of Love together when that came out which was her

first movie big fan of the movie it's Pavel Pavlovsky or however you say his name I've interviewed him he's very nice

yes great director we went to see that movie and we're just like Jesus fucking Christ who is this Emily Blunt oh I have to watch that movie. She's scary in that movie.

She's sort of the villain. Very terrifying. I haven't seen it. Very internal. It's on Griffin's coming of age movie list for me. It's a good coming of age movie. It's a great one, right? That is true.

But she's phenomenal in that. And we were both like, geez, she's going to be a big star. But then like this is her second movie. She gets like a plum supporting role in a big studio movie that happens to blow up. And she's just immaculate. She gets like a plum supporting role in a big studio movie that happens to blow up. And she's just immaculate. She's really good. She's boxing at the same level as Meryl Streep in this movie. She's terrific.

And she's like 24 in this? Like how old is Emily Blunt? In this movie, I think she's 24 years old. That's fine. She was 21, I think. Yeah, you nailed it. She's like 23, 24. Insane.

She's three years older than me. Yeah. I think in three years, I'm going to be where Emily Blunt is. Right? Yeah, you've got a lot of catching up to do, but I think you're at an accelerated... You're moving at a good pace now. She gets a Globe nomination. She gets a BAFTA nomination. You know what I mean? She was in the

sort of zone. What I was going to say is my mom and I see Summer of Love and we're like, Emily Blunt's going to be a huge star. When we saw in the trailer for Devil Wears Prada, it's like, oh cool, Emily Blunt's getting American work, but it wasn't clear how big her role was. She takes Rom to see it and says, Emily Blunt's going to be a huge star. When we saw her in the trailer for Devil Wears Prada, it's like, oh, cool. Emily Blunt's getting American work, but it wasn't clear how big her role was. She takes Rom to see it

and says, Emily Blunt's going to get nominated for an Oscar. And I mocked my mom. I said, that's insane. What are you talking about? Yeah, right, right. Even if she's good,

that she's too new. But then she got the BAFTA and the Globe. Yeah, she almost made it. It felt like she was within reaching distance. Looking back, she totally should have gotten it.

It's also insane Emily Blunt has yet to be nominated yet because she has yet to give a bad performance ever. She's great. In any genre. She's great. She's incredible. I think her character is the best character in the movie. I do too.

She's sort of the secret lead of the movie. So she's the most human character. Agreed. This is Romilly's take. I like this take. She cares. Like Hathaway doesn't care and does really well. And that'silly's take. I like this take. She cares. Hathaway doesn't care and does really well.

And that's Emily's failing is she cares too much. Blunt cares so much and doesn't get anything more than anyone else. It's not like she's closer with Miranda. It's not like she's further on. I mean, every time she's like, you have 15 minutes for lunch and I have 20. She cares about the minutia

because this job is her entire existence. She looks up to everyone else so much and she never really gets that payoff and in turn, she's just so insecure. And it's an incredible performance aside from the fact that every single line is a knockout in terms of her line readings.

She does some great lines. It's just consistent like fastballs, right? The arc of this character is really interesting because she's presented as being impenetrable, right? This woman is immaculate. She's just got it all going on. She knows every single move. She's dismissive to everyone.

She's constantly in high status. And as the movie goes on, you start to see the cracks where it's just like- Like how vulnerable she is. And how much effort she puts into everything. I mean, everything is just so, like she goes home and she thinks, how am I going to impress Miranda tomorrow? But it's not just attitudal.

You start to see the strain of how much she's burning the candle at both ends to do this job well. And I think perhaps the most poignant moment is when she, Hathaway has to call her to tell her that she's going to Paris. And she's like kind of shitting on Miranda

and is like, I have to do this and this and this. Buying the scarves. Buying the scarves. But she fucked up. She admits that she forgot. It's one of her few moments of weakness. Right.

Yes. And she, she's like very human. Yes. And she's finally, because she feels close enough with Andy. That's the thing. She's finally opening.

She finally is letting her guard down. There's the museum scene beforehand where she talks about the cheese diet, where she doesn't eat anything until she's starving, and then she eats a cube of cheese, which I think about all the time. Doesn't she say, I'm one stomach flew away from my ideal weight, from my goal weight, my Paris weight, whatever. And then, right,

the scene not long after, right, where she's trying to get the scarves, the Hermes scarves in time. Yes. Gets hit by a cab. That is the punctuation. You know the crazy thing that happens with this movie, right? Shoot. So she blows up in this movie and Fox immediately...

This is a Fox movie, we should say. Yes, this is a Fox movie. Fox goes like, Emily Blunt, we're putting a pin in you. Sure. We're signing a deal for you to be in another Fox movie. We want to get for you to be in another Fox movie. We want to get you in the ensemble of another Fox movie. So they had like an IOU deal with Emily Blunt. Emily Blunt gets offered Black Widow and Iron Man.

She does. And I was, not offered, announced. She was announced as the star. Playing Black Widow, the Scarlett Johansson part, who's now in all the Marvel movies. And she would have been great probably. And I'm not a Scarlett Johansson fan. She's great in those movies. When Scarlett was cast, though, I was like, ugh.

But anyway, first part. And in Iron Man 2, she's shaky. Yeah, she's got the ringness. She gets really good later. I think Avengers figured out how to write that character. Yeah, we didn't figure it out. Right, and she sort of grew into it and became more believable as she got older and all of that. But Blunt was first announced, and then Fox went,

uh-uh-uh, we still have you under contract, and pulled her out of Iron Man 2 in order to do, do you remember what the movie is they made her do? Is it the Jane Austen book club? It is not. It is Gulliver's Travels. Oh, that is so painful. Oh, God. With Jack Black.

Yes. Jason Segel. Which people don't even remember she was in. And that also doesn't come out for years because the visual effects were hard and they kept pushing it. I feel like that movie came out like three years after it was filmed. Yes. So she got blocked out of being in like 12 Marvel movies. Sorry, Emily.

To do... I mean, and she's built an incredible career for herself, but it's one of those big what-ifs. It took her a while to like, because she's in a lot of movies after this movie. I feel like she only really started becoming a serious leading lady in studio films in the last two years. Yeah, because it was like when she's in Looper, which is six years later, people are kind of like, Emily Blunt's pretty good in Looper. Like, that's an interesting thing to say. She's always been perfect in everything. I've never seen a bad Blunt performance.

No, I've never seen a Blunt performance that's less than great. I've never been salmon fishing in the Yem, to be fair. I haven't been either. I haven't salmon fished in the Yem yet. Which, let's acknowledge, is one of her five Golden Globe nominations.

The Globes keep on lodging her. And she's getting another one next year for Mary Poppins Returns. Zero question. She is locked. She's locked the fuck in for that one. That kind of feels like it's going to be the big test for her, you know? Yeah. Because that's just such big shoes

to fill, but everyone's kind of like... She'll do fine. I think she's going to kill it. Alright. So, Andy gets... In this opening scene, Andy's being rushed in to meet with Miranda. Andy doesn't even know who Miranda is practically. It's a rom-com version of the Aaron Sorkin walk and talk. Sure. And Tucci blasts in and he says, gird your loins.

Another person who should have been Oscar nominated for this movie. Yes. Yes. The best performance in the movie. We're not getting. Better than Streep. We're not getting that touch. I think Blunt's number one.

No, no, not a touch. Oh, no. We're getting two. It's a spoonful. Firm handfuls of Tucci. Rom, a thing you need to know is that Ben loves a touch of the Tucci. I love him. He does.

Anytime he can get a touch of the Tucci, just a touch of the Tucci in the movie. Just a little Tucci. He is pleased. But this movie. Like Spotlight is a classic touch of the Tucci. A touch of the Tucci. Tucci is the second bestots in the movie. Just a little toots. He is pleased. But this movie Like Spotlight is a classic touch of the toots. A touch of the toots. Toots is the second best character in this movie. Who's the best? Miranda. Blunt. Oh, yeah. Best character. She's good too.

You're right. Blunt's my top performance. A lot of great performances. A lot of great performances. This movie should have gotten three Oscar nominations. Four. I mean, it got a well-deserved costume nomination. Very rare. One of the only movies to get a contemporary costume nomination. And you know, re- only movies to get a contemporary costume nomination. Rewatching it, I think that's well deserved because the costumes actually hold

up. Yes, they do. I think there's one outfit that doesn't hold up. There's one outfit that is a fucking disaster, in my opinion. Which one? Where she's got the hat and this like crazy necklace. Oh no, you see, that's very Coco Chanel. I remember the shirt with the like shoulderless sweater.

I've seen women at fashion women wear that this day. David, maybe we should defer to Ben and Rahm on this issue. They're like the fashionistas. They're the people going to fashion week to know the trend. That is a big Chanel move, that hat.

That jumped out to me as too far. Those necklaces, still worn. Me and Joanna were evaluating every outfit as we saw them. We were always like, we love her jackets. We think Anne wears some great jackets in this movie. That's the only one where we were both in agreement like, no. She's not pulling this off. Ron and Ben live in this world.

I know. We don't live in this world. I'm not denying that. I think I also like, I mean, this is just kind of based off of reality, but Priestley never wears insane outfits and nor does Wintour. Yes. Which is good. Yes.

Yes. Right. Wintour always looks like kind of unexciting. Yeah. No. But that's just her place. She just doesn't really go out of her comfort box. She's bulletproof.

Right. Exactly. And Streep does the same thing. It's a thing. I have, I should say, I've ridden in an elevator with Anna Wintour and I've held a door open for Anna Wintour. I've interacted with her twice in the Conde Nast building. Rom was my stylist for the Tick premiere, and we went to get my outfit tailored. And while we were waiting for them to do the tailoring, they did a very quick job.

Rom kind of tapped me and went, look over there. And pointed up on the shelf, it was Anna Wintour's dry cleaning oh like four or five boxes of it and that was such a

that was such a devil wears Prada moment because they just had like five white boxes that said A. Wintour and I was just waiting for Andy to swoop in

and pick up and I thought like I wonder if first of all would they ever mess up her dry cleaning because shit would really hit the fan.

That would be crazy. I felt really good about the fact that that's where we were getting. Me too. Right. Because it was like, they're not going to fuck shit up if they take care of Wintour's garb. True, true, true. Yeah, it's true.

I mean, she would have ultimate trust. But I was also just wondering if the assistant ever takes the wrong box. Sure. Leaks the box. Sure. I'm sure. These are all just big, light questions. She's been editor-in-chief of Vogue for practically. Sure. I'm sure. These are all just big light bulbs. She's been editor-in-chief

of Vogue for practically 30 years. I'm sure there have been mistakes. But you also looked like you wanted to run up there and rip open the box and just scan what

What is it? No, I once was What's in the box? Anytime, I've been to the Connie Nass building many times usually just to get lunch with Richard and Katie who

work at Banny Fair. And once I held the door open absentmindedly for someone, like as I was walking out into a hallway and it was Anna Wintour and she's like, thank you, as she like swooshed by me. And once I rode in an elevator with her, she was very polite.

And I've seen her at premieres wearing the sunglasses. Like famously, she wears sunglasses even in the movie. I think there's some suggestion wearing the sunglasses. Like famously, she wears sunglasses even in the movie. Yes. Like, because I think there's some suggestion

that she has damaged eyes. She does not. I mean, that's just bullshit. Yeah. All right. So Andy interviews sort of with Miranda,

who's this terrifying arch figure. But incredibly quiet. Very quiet. Poised. Barely says anything. Speaks in a whisper. Barely looks up from her shit, usually. And that's all.

So that's all. It's really good. Sometimes there's a sort of a mild hand gesture. Also, I do think a lot of times in movies when they try to emulate a real person or figure their name is off, Miranda Priestly is such a good name. Good name. Such a good name.

She is Anna Wintour down to she's English. She has that sort of like lilting accent. She's married. She's on her second husband and he's this sort of like vaguely important washing. Maybe he's a lobbyist or something. You don't know. Which is where Anna Wintour is always married to some sort of person in the corridors of power. Or was.

She's not married anymore. Yeah. And. All the details are great. I mean, Runway is a pretty good name for a magazine. Yeah, I was thinking that. That's another thing I think they usually fuck up on. Yeah, they usually fuck that up so bad.

Yeah, like if they called it like Fashion Week Magazine or Stiletto. Yeah. Ugly Betty, which comes out the same year. Stiletto is really bad. Yeah. Ugly Betty which comes out the same year. Ugly Betty has the same kind of premise sort of. It's set in a fashion magazine comes out the same year and has Suddenly I See by Katie Tunstall in the pilot. And I remember

it has like a terrible name. Mode. You know it's like you messed it up. Runway is perfect. I think this movie does well with those elements. I agree. Supposedly, when the movie came out, Anna Wintour's office was too close to how this movie makes her office look, so she totally changed her office. Although I've been told, like, if you walk into Anna Wintour's office, you have to walk a long way before you get to Anna Wintour.

Interesting. It's like a cavern, and she's at the back. I've told this story here about when, for Mulaney, we did the rehearsal in Lauren Michael's office. Sure. And Lauren wasn't there, but they were like, yeah, it's just like a room that's open at 30 Rock. Cause he has like five offices in that one building. Right, right. And the one we went to was dead on Jack Donaghy's office.

Right. Like laid out the exact same way. And he had like the globe that turned into the bar and all of that. And then Mulaney was like, oh my God, like this is the only time I've ever been in here where Lauren wasn't here. I'm going to do what I've always wanted to do. And he hit the wall and the door opened and it was the bathroom, which is the joke in 30 Rock that he has a bathroom hidden in the wall. Like all of that was taken. We should get Mulaney on this podcast.

And then we should get Lauren on this podcast. Yeah, agreed. I'll email both of them. I talk to them both a lot. Yeah, yeah. Very often. Was it lauren.michaels at mbc.com? Yes, it always is.

It always is. lauren.michaels at example.com? At snl.edu. I was just, Mulaney was so good on Gethard recently. Have you seen that episode yet? I haven't. I've been. Phenomenal.

You're really going to enjoy it. I'll watch it. I know you will. I'll watch it. I actually went to, before I got this job that I'm starting, I had two possible jobs. One was this,

and another was working at a fashion magazine. Sure. And. Oh, you could tell, this is a boss story about how you contacted her? Yes. So, there's this woman who worked at Harper's Bazaar for a while, And. Or you could tell. This is a boss story about how you contacted her. Yes.

So there's this woman who worked at Harper's Bazaar for a while and then got named the editor in chief of InStyle magazine. Sure. Which previously wasn't that highly regarded. No, I think of that as shopping for more. Exactly. Yeah. But she kind of turned it around, has flipped the fashion industry because she's really smart and she's really funny and she's really nice. And you're a pretty good social media stalker. You're pretty good at keeping

tabs on the people you respect to figure out how they're living their lives. And I think there is this weird, not weird, this great new movement in fashion where being a bitch isn't cool. Right, right, right. Wintour is sort of an older generation. People idolize women like this a lot more now than they,

than Wintour or others. Sure, yeah. So, and there's this woman who, you know, I think also fashion blogging helped a lot with that because now women who like have actual things to say can become big in the fashion world and they don't have to. It's not a hermetic universe that it's hard to break into. Yeah, right, right, right.

So I saw this woman and I was like, okay, I really want to work for her. I don't know if fashion is really the right move for me because of movies like this, but I was like, worth a shot. And I was like, I need to get to her. And so what I did was I had previously been emailing someone at Food and Wine magazine. Sure. And I realized that Food and Wine and InStyle are both under Time Inc. Of course.

So I just looked at how the emails were formed. The domain name. The domain name. And sent an email out of nowhere. First name, last name, at domain name. First name, last name, at InStyle. The only question usually is, is there a dot? Exactly.

You did no dot? I think I, there's a dot. Okay. There's a dot. And it paid off, so now I'm just gonna email, you know,

barack.obama at gmail.com. Yep, that's his email address. Yes. But Romley like, Send him a meme. Romley cold emailed somebody through guessing their email address and was like,

hey, I'm just applying for the job. Can I? Can I? And got an interview. Hey, man. That's boss. Yeah. People, this is how you network.

Listen up. Blank Check has networking advice. Yeah. We are a practical podcast. But then she got scooped by another job first. And so there you go. Yeah. Okay.

So she gets the job. Surprisingly. She like goes back home. She gets the job, right. It looks like she flubs it because she doesn't know anything about runway. She doesn't care. You are wrong, though. She does not get back home.

She walks directly outside of the office, and Blunt comes and swoops her up and rolls her eyes. Okay, I am wrong. Which is an interesting point. Yes. Because it's quite unlikely that she would just walk out of the building and immediately be recruited to her first day of work.

There's some... For the first 20 minutes of this movie, she's the new assistant who's bad at her job. She's not into it. She dresses like a dope. A lot of this is just the first day. The whole first chunk of the movie is being thrown to the deep end. The cerulean sweater scene,

all that stuff. Great scene when she goes to the cafeteria with Tucci. Can we talk about her friends? No one in New York City has a group of friends like this. What are you talking about? What do you mean? It's insane. They all grew up together. It's like that ensemble,

the way they portray that group of friends, it's like, get the fuck out of here. They have great banter. Her two best friends are also best friends with her boyfriend. I know, and also they have weekly dinners.

It seems like... In Tribeca. Yeah. God knows what they all do. One of them is an artist who seems... Tracy Thoms plays an artist who takes very big pictures

of New York and sort of leans them against the wall. Very. We're talking like 12 feet tall pictures. I think she's really good in this, actually.

She is good in this. Everyone's really good in this. They get good at it. Rich Summer, Tracy, Toms. Toms, I forget how you are. But it is one of those things where they like set it up like the four best friends who have been best friends forever and never go two days without seeing each other. And they're trying to break into New York.

Are one couple. Sure. And then two other friends of theirs. Right. Who are not together. Do you know what I'm saying? I do. It sounds like the worst friend group. No, it's rife with problem guests.

Because I think it does really revolve around Andy and Renee. Right. And then the rest of them are just like, oh, Andy. What's Renee's? Nate. Oh, yeah. He's such a Nate in this. It is weird watching this because this is like a couple years into Entourage.

David Frankel did some Entourage. This was clearly the studios being like, well, he's doing a pretty good job pretending to be famous. What if we actually put him in real movies? Sure. And it felt like everyone was like, nope, this is weird. I can't watch it. It feels like watching a Vinny Chase thing.

It's kind of why he was good in Entourage in that weird sort of way where it's like, yeah, he kind of looks like a movie star, but you're never going to be worried about him actually being a movie star. Where were you the first time you saw Entourage? Where was I? I was in college, Newcastle University. I believe I torrented it to watch it

on my laptop and I was like, this is bad because the pilot episode of Entourage is terrible. I don't know if anyone remembers. And then I got really into it and watched several seasons of Entourage. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Where were you, Ben? I was at my friend Len's house.

I dropped out of school. Wait, wait. From Steal My Sunshine? Len? The band? You were hanging out with the band Len? Yeah, absolutely. Were you in a basement in New Jersey?

Yeah, I was in a basement in New Jersey. You dropped out of college? What are we talking about here? Yeah, yep. I had actually lied to my parents. Sure. And told them I was still attending college. Wasn't.

I was living in Philly in my car. This is a whole weird timeline. You were living in your car? You have to get on WTF. He has to lock the gates. And so, yeah, I was at Len's house, and he was like, yeah, check the show out. And I, lifelong fan. I've never seen On Twitch.

It's a bad TV show. It is, but season two is okay. It had a moment there. I've never watched it. You've never seen Entourage. It's a bad TV show. It is, but season two's okay. It had a moment there. I've never watched it. Ari is... You've never watched it? I've never watched season two. I've seen a handful of episodes.

I mostly watched the Anna Faris arc because that was a period of my life. Oh, that's way later. That's when it's... I know. That was the period of my life where I was aspiring to be an Anna Faris completist.

Didn't our mom work on Entourage? She worked at a casting agency that was working on the sort of New York satellite of Entourage. So most of the casting was being done in LA, but they had them like scouting for people and doing sessions or whatever. Okay. She didn't successfully cast anybody. It's the least do-it-yourself show. That's why it's funny.

Yeah. I remember her reading it and going, this is terrible. It will never get picked up. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Ari is men's rights. All right. Sure.

So she's working. Here's what I want to talk about because you did the Cerulean monologue, which is obviously like a bedrock thing. But what I love is the scene where she gets chewed out for something that's not her fault, which is Miranda not getting on a plane because of a hurricane. She's crying. Like, she sort of flounces off to cry, which we've all done in media. Oh, you're jumping way ahead because she's already been there a couple weeks. This is when the dad comes into town to see Chicago. That's right.

But, no, this isn't that far ahead. This is, like, 25 minutes into the movie. Okay. If that. And she goes to cry to Stanley Tucci. And rather than him being totally mean or him being totally sympathetic and being like I know Miranda's a handful he's like he kind of just sort of like recenters her he's like I know you think that this job is just something you're doing and like you deign to do it

but it's very important to people and like this magazine is very important to like the to a lot of people like me when i was a kid right which the way he tells that story so fucking good it's like this pocket drop moment where like because the movie i think knows it's combating in the first 30 minutes the percentage of people who are going to write off everything that happens is ridiculous because oh my god the fashion industry it's so self-absorbed it's's such a bubble who gives a shit. And it has these two monologues. Giselle is Emily's friend. Right.

Which fuck that. Especially because she's not named Giselle. They call her something else. She doesn't even look good in that. But she does not look good. Well they've given her like a bun.

I know but if you're gonna have Giselle in a movie like that at least make her look like Giselle. They're not lighting her well. She's got intense bone structure and the movie clearly knows how to light the lead actresses. She looks like a model which like wisely Emily Blunt doesn't look like they're also they're not lighting her well she's got intense bone structure and the movie clearly knows how to light she looks like a model which like wisely emily blunt doesn't look like a model because she wouldn't be a model because she is she's a fashion journalist it's a

different type of person yes yeah anyway um no but those two monologues are really well written yep without being like sort of uh didactic you know, they fully kind of undress all the sort of preconceptions you have about the industry and this all being frivolous, the concerns of the movie being stupid. Right. But they're also both masterfully fucking delivered. Like you've got Streep and Tucci making direct pleas to the audience to care about the movie. Right. Which is like you're never going to go wrong if you ask those actors to do that. Yes.

You could start any movie with Stanley Tucci being like, here's why the stakes of this film are important. That's what he's doing. Right. And it's so good. And that moment where he goes like, do you know how many girls would kill for this job? Like, let's say, for instance. Yeah.

How many? Right. Because then he talks about himself. Right. Right. And that's, you're just like suddenly like, oh, the whole veneer. Of course these are like real people. These aren't just stark, like archetype, you know, kind of like fashion assholes.

He's a guy who like, this was his life. This is what saved him is that he found this magazine. And that's the success of the movie. Because the movie, because he easily just, everyone's a villain. Miranda's the biggest villain of them all. Could have been. That's why it's a good movie. Can we talk?

And Miranda's the biggest villain of them all. Could have been. That's why it's a good movie. Can we talk? In my point that I made off Mike to Ben and Romilly was that he is mean but not cruel, if that makes sense. Like, obviously, he says a lot of cutting things. Yeah. But he never seems to have a cruel personality. It's what he's, like, figured out about the character.

Yeah. Without having to do it. He's a brilliant actor. Amazing actor. Stanley Tucci. I'm grasped. Grasped by the Tucci. Can we talk about his head move he does in this? So good.

He's got this very specific gesture he does when he's talking, when he's on these long, hyperverbal monologues where he strokes the top of his head. He rubs the top of his head. He also has the large ring, which I love. The ring is so great. Crazy ring.

It's very crucial in his betrayal scene right at the end when he's got the ring right by his face. I was going to say it, but I was going to leave it. No, it's fine.

I mean, we can spoil the movie Miranda Priestly. It screws over Stanley Tucci's character at the end there. Yeah. Nigel. Which is pretty heartbreaking.

Yeah. I got choked up for the first time. Watching it this time? Yeah. Well, now you're an adult you have your own career concerns the stakes you can identify more with what's happening there

but the head move is like it's like he's stroking his hair that isn't there deep in thought but he does it just very quickly and in those scenes where he's going on these long monologues to like have some specific physical like business you can do so it's not just you

standing stationary like he's always doing shit in this movie i love that whenever he's giving andy advice he's also like approving of shit and like he's also right he's working he is playing a character who you understand that miranda respects him right even if she's quiet about it you know as she would be right like she's not somebody who lavishes praise upon him. Her biggest praise, I think, is when she's like, someone decided to come to work today at the editorial meeting. But, like, he defers to her, and he's quiet,

and he's not argumentative, but he also is obviously smart, and in charge of shit, and independent, and, you know. And understands her psychology. Like, understands how to work around her and with her, and all of that. Right. So now Hathaway's in this position.

I know we're kind of speeding through this, but Hathaway's in this position where like— It's not a potty movie. No, it's really not. These two monologues have been given to her that make her understand, A, why fashion is of some importance, and B, why this job specifically is of some importance. And that's why you really don't resent her for getting into the job. No, because those two monologues are so well delivered that you're like,

yeah. That's why it's good. Yeah. The two montages in the early part of the movie, the first one is the, oh my God, this job is so hard montage

where she's like, dropping everything. Running around, yeah. She's Rick the interning. She's Rick the interning. And then the second montage, which is about 35 minutes in, is when she is,

her outfits are progressing. She goes to Tucci and she's like, remodel me. See, he gives her a touch of the Tucci. He, that's right. He goes,

let me give you just a touch to set you on your way. A boop of the Tucci. Uh, Tucci boop. Yes. Um, no, yeah.

And then, and you see her style, sense of style evolving a little bit. Right. And that's, that's pretty well done. The way they keep on using the, the movement to hide the outfit changes.

Pretty well done. I think. We're like clanging pop music. He really like every time I had to like turn my goddamn TV down. The music's really bad. I forgot how bad

the music was. Yeah. It's got the worst soundtrack. I know. And every song sounds the same. Yes. Yes.

It sounds like you're in like a Uniqlo and pop music is playing over the speakers. And they also keep on doing like you're in like a Uniqlo and pop music is playing over the speakers. And they also keep on doing like other than Suddenly I See, they do a lot of the like the song drops at the peak of the chorus. So it's like you're just hearing the iTunes preview version of the song. Maybe that's all they could afford. Yeah, Eddie Vedder did a whole soundtrack.

No, that was Into the Wild. Eddie Vedder. Eddie Vedder. He was just was Into the Wild. Eddie Vedder. Eddie Vedder. He was just on Twin Peaks. Nobody Vedder. Nobody Vedder. Nobody does it Vedder. Oh, a lot of people do it Vedder.

So there's this progression to the point where she gets the book, right? Like that's sort of the first sign that she's doing a good job. Right, which this movie goes like, let's create the most insurmountable ask of all time. Yeah, I have a lot of, I have some trouble.

The book thing annoys me. The book thing annoys me and what annoys me even more than that is the setup actually, which Hathaway finally gets tasked with, you get to drop off the book at her brownstone. Another annoying moment is when she's like, what's the book? Anyone would fucking know. Anyone who went to journalism school knows what the book is. Or also, at this point, context clues. Sure.

It's a mock-up of the mags. Context clues. You work at a magazine. Guess. Just take a guess. Yes. But yes, this is Emily's task, and it's now finally being sloughed off to Andy, which is to drop off the book. At the townhouse, you just put the dry cleaning in the closet, leave the book on the table,

you leave. It's the table with the flowers. Table with the flowers. Right. And she gets up there and there are a couple different tables with flowers. Oh no. And she's got the dry cleaning and she's like, which closet? This woman has a master's degree. Just to be clear. Which closet? I don't know. Usually not a ditz. And this

is like the one ditzy. They like dial the ditz up too much. Two redhead twins are like. The twins. Yeah, straight from the Shining. Two Shining twins pop up. And all of a sudden she just lets go of everything. And I was like, okay, if you say so. They're fucking with her.

So first they give her like what seems like solid advice. The closet's on the left. Right. And she puts it in. She's like, thanks. And then they're like, she's like, what do I do with the book? Which table? So I feel like those two girls wouldn't get that much of a thrill

off of tricking an assistant. No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Right? But here's the moment I hate. If I could do a director cut of this film, I would literally cut this. I did fast forward through the scene

when I watched it. It's this one line exchange that drives me insane, okay? You can bring it up to us. No, I have to put it on a table. I have to put it on a table. Or sometimes, actually, mom likes it when people deliver it to her themselves.

And then the one twin goes, what? No, she doesn't. And then the other twin looks at her. And she goes, oh. Oh, yeah, she does. Yeah, Emily does it all the time. Anne Hathaway's supposed to be a smart person.

Master's degree. She has watched them, had the conversation where they go, no, she doesn't. She's already killing it at this part. She's doing a good job. This is not pre-killing it. Exactly. This is post-killing it. If they want to give her the wrong instructions, it should have been played like the way they

give her the closet, which is just like, the left, and up, bring it upstairs. Yeah. Which is ridiculous. There's two tables. bring it upstairs yeah which is ridiculous there's two tables leave it on one of the tables they're within eyesight of each other she'll see it at the very least you'll get like five percent like shade the next day if you leave it on the wrong table she's also worked for Miranda Prisley for how long now and weeks at this point wow somehow believes that if she leaves it like brings it directly to her things will go well.

I mean as if. And this is just a you know narrative device so that we can see Miranda in a fight with her husband and have Andy breach this. But this scene is so not It's not necessary.

There are other ways you could get to that same point. Yeah of course. And also you could get to it by the girls You could do the exact same scene and she just hears the fight. Right exactly.

Whatever. But so the next day Miranda's like hears the fight. Right. Exactly. Whatever. But so the next day Miranda's like. Miranda's mad. Right. And she's like um I need you to get Harry Potter for the She asks. It's like of Hercules or whatever. It's like an impossible task. Get me two copies of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.

The seventh book. The most closely guarded book in history. Right. Which would be impossible to obtain, to be clear. Literally impossible. Impossible. Literally impossible. The only person, I believe, who got the book was Michiko Kaketani, the New York Times book critic. And even then, like, the publisher was like, we don't know how she got it.

I feel like they could have done anything else. Like, it could have been like, can you get Manolo Blahnik's new shoes? You know, anything. But they're trying to do this very specific, like, pop culture, like, thing from the moment, I guess. And I remember when seeing it in the theater. I was like, oh, fuck this. Because she's going to get it. Of course she has to get it.

Sure. Which is frustrating because it's impossible. It's impossible. And also there's a ticking clock. Not only, right. They need to be on a train to the grandma's she gets it within a three-hour period she contacts simon baker who we're gonna get to that and i hope you bring up the detail that drives me insane fucking three of them yeah she gets three copies contact simon baker he gets

her the book somehow we'll get to that uh yeah she makes three copies two bound one unbound because she doesn't want it to look like a manuscript right delivers them to an amtrak train yes and has put on the cover of these bound copies harry potter book seven yeah which is wild don't do that the kids are gonna get it snatched out of their fucking hands write ap bio on it so what's the detail that bugs you? the fact that she has the time and the energy to get them bound and have them designed so they look better than the fucking galleys also I have a big problem

is that when she goes to Miranda and says I got the books Miranda's like oh where are they? but the girls were already on the train so if she had given to them there it would have been too late regardless. She doesn't seem annoyed when she walks in. It's just so you can have the misdirect of, oh, so close, but she fucked it up.

I actually got it on the Amtrak. Yeah, it's sort of a... It's like an Ozymandias reveal. Like, what you don't know is I already did it 30 minutes ago. Miranda is the Ozymandias of this movie, though. Andy's the Ozymandias. Andy's Night Owl. In true Miranda fashion, if she walked in,

Miranda should have been like, it's too late. Yeah. She wasn't like it's too late. Yes, exactly. I don't even know why you're here because, yeah. Tucci's Worshack?

Sure. Emily's Dr. Manhattan. I don't know. Oh, Tucci's Manhattan blunts as Worshack. Yeah, that sounds more. Whatever. And the way she gets it is Simon Baker, who's playing, I don't know what he's supposed to be in this.

He's supposed to be like some cross between like the most celebrated like travel journalist alive and like some sort of scarf wearing like fashion hipster. I can't tell if he's perfectly cast or really miscast. I think he's miscast. But like, I feel like in a weird way, that's what that guy would look like. A little bit. Any guy who's really celebrated writer, but also is in the fashion industry. I think he needs to be like a little more rugged. Like, but me and Joanna were really debating this.

Like, what's, what, who should it be? Like, who's the, because Joanna thinks he's just unattractive. I think that's crazy. He's a pretty guy. He just looks... He's the mentalist, for God's sake. He was the mentalist. But I don't think he...

To go from Adrian Grenet to him, it's like, I feel like she wouldn't... Yeah. You know, it's very far... There's a long walk between those two. The character type is kind of a big reach, too. Because it's essentially like, what if you had a journalist who mostly did short form like like magazine pieces.

Right. But with the sort of renowned and cultural import of like a gay Talese, you know. Yeah. Right. Or like a Thomas Wolfe, you know, at their peak. Pretty gay. He seems pretty gay. But then also what if he looked like a fucking adventurer.

Right. But only a little bit and like why is he so interested in Andy? Like I get that he wants to have sex with her but like

if he's this famous Yeah so like I don't know. Yeah. At the point where he gets her the manuscript like there isn't even that much flirtation

going on between them They've met once and he offered to read her work. He really wouldn't do that for her. And then she calls him. He's on the street. Standing on a random street corner. She's like, I'm sorry, but, like, I really need Harry Potter book seven.

He's like, oh, yeah, well, you know, that's impossible. And then he calls back, and he's like, you know what? I have this buddy who's, like, an agent or whatever. My friend does the drawings. Yeah, that's it. And, like, they have a galley. Which, come on. The guy who does the drawings

wouldn't even be able to get it himself. Right. I'm glad we spent this much time on this. No, because you have to. It's tough. It's one of the worst parts. Yeah. It's a perfect movie, but...

But then she nails it. She does nail it, so she's past, or I guess she's relieved herself of her failure. She's invincible. And now, like, Streep knows her name. She's Andy. And now Streep knows her name. She's Andy now.

She's not Emily. Yes. You know, because everyone keeps on saying, this is the new Emily. This is my Emily. Emily, Emily, Emily. No, she's got a name now. Right.

And I guess not long after is the Met Ball type event that they have where they're flanking her. She was not supposed to go. Usually only first assistant goes. That is the Met Ball. It's the Met Ball, right? I think so. And like, Grenier dares have his birthday on the same day as the Met Ball, which in my opinion, he should have addressed.

Right, because it's at the Natural History Museum. I actually blame his parents for that. They should have induced labor a day earlier. Exactly. So, she misses his birthday. I also hate the how she's like, I'm So she misses his birthday. I also hate the how she's like, I'm so late for his birthday.

I'm like, it's the Met Ball. What is it? One in the morning? Like, yeah, you're not going to make it. She should have just stopped then. Hopefully I won't be here too late. You're going to miss dinner. You know, it's an evening affair.

Right. A black tie evening affair. Oh, I'm sorry. I missed the day of your birthday. Why don't we just have a party the next day? Exactly. How hard is this? And this is coming from birthday Benny himself. But also, he knew that she was going to the Met Ball.

So he shouldn't have been so surprised. Well, no, because the idea is they kind of sprung it on her. They sprung it on her, but come on. They sprung it on her at like, it was still light outside. That day. Yeah. Earlier that day.

And like, yeah, the worst thing he does, in my opinion, is where he's like, you look very pretty. I think that's so shitty. That is incredibly passive aggressive. Yes. Even by his standards, he is a fucking passive aggressive rock. And the way he delivers that line is just bad. He, I'm almost like, is Grenier doing a good job?

Because like, am I supposed to be this pissed off about it? Or is he, does he think he's sympathetic? That's my question. Like, this is a weird movie in that a lot of the ways, a lot of the things that elevate it feel like mistakes. Sure. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, not to give credit, but it's like,

the movie ends up being more interesting because Grenier sucks so much. Because it is such a workplace comedy. If they tried to play up the romance more, it would take away from what the movie's really about. He's just like a thing to represent that she is getting sucked into the job. Like, he's not really, it's just like there are scenes with him,

so now we know that, oh, she's neglecting her boyfriend. But if someone actually charming was in the role, then you'd be like, oh, fuck, maybe she should be spending more time with her boyfriend. The point of the movie is that, like, he fucking sucks.

Like, he shouldn't be taking her away from this great job. I agree, and they don't get, oh, fuck, maybe she should be spending more time with her boyfriend. The point of the movie is that he fucking sucks. He shouldn't be taking her away from this great job. I agree, and they don't get back together, right? No. They don't, right? He's also a chef at Bubby's.

He's busy. You work long fucking hours at Bubby's. Yes, you do. That never comes up because it seems he's always at home making Arlsberg grilled cheese.

Every time that they meet outside the restaurant, it's clearly late at night. Yeah, it must be like 3 o'clock in the morning. That place is open late. Yeah. That's when it's big draws

that it's open really late. John Stewart's always there. I distinctly remember eating like French toast there at 4 o'clock in the morning once. Wow. You're such a cool guy.

Thank you. That was one of my four cool nights. I distinctly remember it because it was one of the four nights where I was like, look at me being cool in New York City. NYC, baby. Yeah, I'll take a screwdriver with that French toast, please. Yeah, that was when I stopped being cool. The person I was with was like, what the fuck are you doing?

Did you actually get a screwdriver? Yeah. Great. You're always almost cool. That's a top ten moment on the podcast right there that's right up there with ellen berson telling you to try silence you get to the place to be cool and then you just do one thing he like the dismount is wrong essentially yeah it's like you're doing the whole gymnastics routine and everyone's like, this is it. He's going to wink.

Griffin's very cool. He's a super. That's true. Perhaps the most uncool superhero. Thank you. Yeah, he sucks. And also both of their fight scenes before the final fight where they break up are ended with her being like, I know, he sucks. And also, both of their fight scenes before the final fight where they break up are ended with her being like,

I know, I know. Do you want to have sex? Which is sort of like, all right. No, but when she's like, do you like this new necklace? He's like, I liked your old necklaces.

And then, yeah, she's like wearing this beautiful on something. He's like, whatever. I don't like that. But then she's like, check this out.

But this is bad because the first time he sees her, the first time he sees her after she's gotten the make but then she's like check this out but this is bad because the first time he sees her the first time he sees her after she's gotten the makeover he's like I better get you out

like you look so fucking amazing my girlfriend's gonna before my girlfriend sees us and then the second time he's like I like your old clothes

better and it's like no you fucking don't you do not like the lapis sweater more than this like like, you know,

terrible haircut. He's the classic, you know, girl, you don't need makeup guy, right? Like, you know, no, you look beautiful. And it's just like, leave her alone. Like, she looks great. He just feels threatened. He feels threatened. I feel like when the Fox executives, like, saw the first cut of this movie,

they were like, it's really good. It's too bad that Grenier thing doesn't work. We really wanted a strong romantic subplot. But the movie is better because the romantic subplot sucks. I think that's true. Yeah. Yes. I think that wasn't what they intended.

Maybe. It is a purely career movie. And we were talking. That's right. This isn't a rom-com. That's the thing. I think they probably want a movie that was a little more half and half. Obviously there's a little less focus on the romance even just in how it's written than most movies like this.

But like, I watched 9 to 5 on the plane. Sure, awesome. I had like 17 hours to watch a bunch of movies. Sure. And I watched both 9 to 5 and Devil Wears Prada was available on the plane, very coincidentally. And so I watched those two. I believe it's available on all planes at all times. I think it's the ultimate plane movie um i'm not back to back but i watched them within

one contained metal tube ride sure and i was like this is a genre that doesn't really exist anymore and that has never really gotten its due which is like the workplace comedy which is purely just a workplace comedy and especially female driven workplace comedies always are well how do i balance my family end or my relationship end? I watched a movie recently which sucked. You know what it is. Do you not want to drag the movie? No, no, no.

I'm going to tell you. I'm just saying it's similar. It's with Hathaway, The Intern. Oh, sure. I think that Intern's kind of good. We've talked about this. But I do think that is a workplace movie. That is a workplace movie.

I think the movie fails when it gets into her marriage. I know, but it's not a romance. Right. No. And there's no romance in the movie. And you know what? That's exactly what I like about The Intern. The two things I like about The Intern for all of its failings are that it's a workplace movie,

and that it's a movie about a friendship. Right. There's a lot. And a guy being an asshole. Right. Like a husband. Yeah. God, he sucks in that movie. That's another husband who feels threatened. He's right lot. And a guy being an asshole. Right. Like a husband. Yeah. God, he sucks on that movie.

That's another husband who feels threatened. He's, right, he's like Grenier times 10. Yeah. He's like Grenier if Anne Hathaway in this movie decides to, you know,

procreate with him. Yeah, fuck Durs. He's really awful. So, but alongside that is Paris, right? Which we know from the beginning that Emily is hunting for.

All she's been doing is England for Paris, working up to Paris her entire career. And Miranda, after Emily screws up the naming one of the guests at the Met Ball type event. And also, let's remember earlier that day, Emily's sick, she comes into office. Yeah, she's like coughing.

She's in a coffin, red nose, looks like Steve Bannon. Another good thing they do there is that when Hathaway gets the name right instead of Blunt being pissed that she stole her thunder she says thank you. They're teammates now. Yes, they are teammates now. That's really good.

It's true. Which, right, makes the betrayal a little harder. Obviously she gets hit by a cab. Right. But I like that her getting hit by a cab

does not let Andy off the hook. No. Me too. Andy still has to say I'm going to Paris without you. So Blunt gets sick. Miranda's freaked out by it when she comes in the office wheezing and coughing, which is sort of implied that's why she wants Andy there, because she's not really feeling super comfortable around Emily.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then Andy knocks it out of the park, gives the name, wins over both of them in one fell swoop. Sure. Makes allies of both Miranda and Emily. Yeah. And then Miranda gives her the death blow, which is, you them in one fell swoop. Sure. Makes allies of both Miranda and Emily. And then Miranda gives her the death blow, which is you're coming to Paris with me. Right. I need the best around me. And not only that,

make sure to tell Emily. You gotta tell Emily. Which, if I'm Anna Wintour, that's how I would operate. Yeah, I know. I think that's realistic. I'm not doing any awkward shit. Keeps her hands clean. But puts Andy in an impossible situation. She's making the phone call. Tough news. Boom. Hit by a car. I think the scarf in the air thing is stupid.

I was going to say, that is the definition of too much paprika on a sandwich. That is Frankel being like, oh, I have a good idea. No, you don't, Frankel. Nope, nope. That was very 27 Dresses-esque. Yes, and it's like 80 scarves,

and they're in slow motion, and it's like dead. And everyone's like, air mask scarves! Get the fuck out of here. We all have free scarves now. The scene in the hospital, I think, is Blunt's best scene. Great scene.

Yeah. And I talked in the past about watching Martin Short eat pudding and how it was like, man, this is a good actor. You know how well he eats pudding? Blunt eats pudding so well in this scene. And you know what's good, too? And the carbs. It's the mark of a real fucking artist.

But also, the second Andy says, you're not going to Paris, she starts eating all this shit because she hasn't been eating. Yeah. And she's finally like, fuck it. There's nothing. I have nothing to look forward to.

I'm not going to wear the clothes. There's scabs all over my face. I'm in a hospital bed. Like, I'm going to eat fucking carbs. And Masterstroke when she says, like, you're fat. You eat carbs. And she's eating bread as she says that.

There's a move though where Blunt angrily tries to rip the lid off the pudding but accidentally only rips half the lid. So good. And there isn't too much attention drawn to it but then you see her go for the second half of the lid with even more frustration and then takes a big glob full and delivers all this like, she's

so frustrated because she realizes she's gotten beaten. she doesn't even hate andy anymore no no it's the fact that andy seems to have out emily'd her right she sort of hates her her shortcomings as an employee more than she hates andy right she's pissed at andy but like in a more like you're quickly gonna forgive you should have said no you should have said yeah um so she goes to Paris. She does. Yeah.

I don't know. It's interesting because the movie is about an hour and 50 minutes. Yeah. They only go to Paris with about 25 minutes left in the movie. And at this point, it introduces a huge subplot that it almost immediately resolves. That is almost feels like they're in search of an ending for the movie. I guess I mean I assume it's right in the book. I don't know.

It just feels like a conflict that's brought in very late to add some stakes. Because like to summarize and we can dig in but like it's like she goes to Paris. She sleeps with Simon Baker. She sees that he's like part of some sort of. Her and Grenier have sort of broken up. I feel like that's definitely not in the book.

Is it not. I mean I don't know. No idea. No offense, Lauren. But, and then, yeah, she sleeps with Simon Baker, finds out this info, tries to tell Miranda,

and then, and also she's found out the news at Paris that Stanley Tucci's gonna, like, take this job with Daniel Sunyata's passion designer guy. God, that guy is so charming. I almost want him to play the Simon Baker. Charming. I was a big fan of him because he's so

good in Rescue Me, the FX drama about firefighters. If he played Simon Baker, it would be very believable. And that opening scene, yes. He is well cast, though, as the kind of slippery, sort of Tom Ford-esque, quite handsome, well put

together. God, he's so good looking. He's so very handsome well put together yeah he's so good looking he's so very handsome I was like fuck that that's too good a face for one person to have he's in the Dark Knight Rises yes

do you know he also narrated the like director's cut of Loose Change the 9-11 conspiracy documentary yes he is a 9-11 truther which they build into

his character in Rescue Me because he used to piss off the actors so much with that shit. Right. They were like, we should make, I mean, you're a firefighter. We should make you a 9-11 truther and you piss off the firefighters. And I think that's his explanation is that like in doing research for Rescue Me and like finding out about firefighters, he started going down the rabbit hole and seeing the truth about the steel beams.

Look, Daniel. Hour seven. I don't know what that means and I don't care to. Tower 7, though. Oh, Tower 7. Okay, so, it's just like a lot. You know, it's like

scene after scene. It's like, oh, the hostile takeover is happening. Oh, she's trying to run it off. Oh, Miranda's diffused it by, you know, moving her French rival

to this job. It's at the Met Ball. Yeah, you see it for a second. They say, like, oh, she hates her. She runs French runway. I mean, there have always been rumors. There was definitely a moment where the editor of French Vogue was considered to be, like,

horning it on Anna Wintour's territory. I think that is inspired. She's well-cast. Was that Joan Julia Buck in real life? Is that who that's meant to be? No, it's Karine Roedfeld. Okay. Yeah.

Sure. I just got romped. Famously, the rumor was always that like fashion people were told don't you dare cameo in this movie like that's like a hit on anna wintour uh and they're not a ton like valentino's right right uh i think heidi klum shows up for a second like there's not a lot of like big it's not like zoolander you know and you know what I love that Valentino does, which is so real fashion designer, and I guarantee this wasn't written dialogue. This was them being like,

hey, Valentino, talk to them. Yeah, just chat for a second. When he meets Andy, she goes like, hi, this is Andy, my new Emily. And he goes, oh, did you love the show? The presumptive, I'm not going to ask you what you thought. I'm going to ask you if you loved it or not, is very fashion to me.

Yeah, that was good. Yeah, so which of my pieces was your favorite? Yeah, exactly. I assume that you respect what I did already. According to Wikipedia, Ivanka Trump is in this movie. I didn't spot her. I didn't either. No.

Anyway. So the Paris thing just feels very sudden. Oh, you know why you didn't see her? just feels very sudden. Oh, you know why you didn't see her? Because she thinks the way that she could help the movie the most is to sort of stay in the shadows and just be a quiet ally. It's just searing

commentary. You don't see her in the movie, but she's actually fighting really hard for the right things in the movie. Anything that's good in the movie actually is her responsibility. And anything that's bad in the movie, she was telling them not to do. She believes in all the right things. Great. But she didn't want the credit movie, she was telling them not to do. She believes in all the right things. Yes.

Great. But she didn't want the credit. Thank you. She just wanted to spend her political capital wisely. Five political commentary points. Thank you. Yeah, what do we have to say? I mean, she sleeps with Simon Baker.

I'd sleep with him. But he's never really a threat. No. I don't like it when he's walking around shirtless. He's a little too confident. His torso's a little weird. Can I also say, his first scene in the movie, and this has struck me every time I've watched it,

just his first scene, just when they meet at the first party, his eyebrows are too yellow. I really didn't notice. His eyebrows are weirdly blonde. He's Australian. He is? Yes, I'm in Baker. He's got the sun. His accent's very good.? Yes, I'm in Baker. He's Australian. It's a good accent. Actually, his accent's very good.

How do you mention it? He sort of looks like the lion from Wizard of Oz. Yes, he does. He's got that vibe. Yes, he does. But I think his eyebrows are less yellow in every other scene. It's just that first scene. I don't know.

Maybe. It's always bugged me. I don't know what's going on there. But she sleeps with him. He reveals to her that he's known about this takeover the entire time because he's going to be head of editorial. Sure. Okay. I think he really gives her too much. Way too much.

Way too flippantly. He reveals his plan very quickly. And it's also like... To Miranda's assistant. Right. And he does it like, yeah, of course. What do you expect? He doesn't do the like, oh shit, you've caught me. And he also doesn't do the like... My mock-up of the new runway. Right.

That I had. Right. I have this styrofoam poster board in my knapsack, in my rucksack. Along with 40 other scarves. Right. Yeah. But like the two obvious versions of this scene are either that like, oh shit, fuck, you caught me. Okay, well now that I'm backed in the corner, I got to tell you I'm part of this thing.

Or the other version is, hey hey baby that's how it works like I've been using you the entire time you don't think I've been juicing you for info sure but it's neither it's more just like oh yeah this is how the business works casual yeah I don't know I casually suck and then she goes into like

okay into shit high stakes I gotta save Miranda. But that's all pointless. But we should mention that there is also the scene where Miranda announces the divorce to her. And she's the other human moment. With no makeup on. No makeup. She's a little bleary eyed.

She's got the bags under the eyes. Yeah, and she's talking about how page six is going to write about her. Yeah, that was good. That's the scene you own. That's really the only scene you need. You don't really need the other scene. And the second you see that scene, you're like,

fuck the book scene. Yeah, fuck the book scene. Just get it out of there. Yeah. But that's like, that's the sort of, that's the scene that elevated Streep from like Oscar nominee

to like almost one. Agreed. That's the scene that adds the attic and the basement onto the house and really deepens the whole thing. Uh, that's the basement. You know, it makes it well,

right. Do you know what I'm saying? Well put. I agree. A finished basement to finish. It finishes the basement. Yes. Um,

um, but then she betrays Tucci that's the final thing we have to talk about Tucci has that scene that's beautiful where he tells Andy the news he pours her the champagne great job in that scene where he's very excited

and he has that thing where he looks out the window and he's like oh my god I get to make my own decisions in my life again I get to go to Paris and actually be in Paris like the whole cool ste steely, like whole. Demeanor is dropped. Right, right, right. He's just a giddy little boy.

And it's like, this is what I've been wanting to do my entire career. Sure. That's the Shakespearean tragedy in the middle of this story. Is that. She throws his body on the grenade, basically. It's like, okay. Upon analyzing this movie, you do realize there are like 18 different plot lines. A lot of plot lines.

A lot of plot lines. I know like the only through plot line is like, will Andy be corrupted by the world of fashion media? Yeah. And at the end it's like, no. Yeah, she'll not really. Because the end of the movie is she quits, outraged at this betrayal. Right. And

goes and gets a job at a newspaper and Miranda gives her a good recommendation. Which she's never done before. But also, one thing that I find a little annoying, just because I wish that she would stay at runway, but when she's like,

she kind of writes off the fact that she left when she's like, I don't know why I did that. Or she says something to the interviewee where she's like, learned a lot,

kind of screwed it up at the end. Yeah, exactly. And it's like, do you regret not staying at runway? Sure. Because she seems so confident in her decision when it's happening.

True, she throws her phone in the fountain. And it's so thing. Which is littering, P.S. Throwing a fucking phone in the fountain? Yeah, that was a little much. And also, it's not like that was just her work phone. No, that's true. It's just her phone.

It's like a sidekick or something. This is the phone, the Razr becomes the hot phone. Before, when when this movie comes out that's not a phone people can own the razor yeah the razor was designed for this movie yeah really wanted a sidekick she has a sidekick she has a sidekick and hathaway has a sidekick i got a razor uh i think as a lot of people did it was a popular i really wanted it's crazy to think that i used that thing. They were so horribly designed. Weird. I almost bought a sidekick on eBay. You almost bought a sidekick on eBay recently? No, no.

Like around this time. Because AT&T didn't sell sidekicks. So I tried to do this whole thing where you got an unlocked sidekick. When you were like nine? So that was the thing. Hot movies. They would be like new cell phone or phone. But it's not anymore. I haven't seen an iPhone.

Now it's just iPhone models. There's probably some movie where someone has a Galaxy Note. I don't know. And then you'd probably watch and be like, really? Yeah, exactly. What did I just see where someone had a Windows phone and I was like, they wouldn't have a Windows phone. Well, it's like, you know how Sony movies always work Sony products into them?

So like, famously in The Amazing Spider-Man, when Spider-Man's trying to solve a case, figure out who the lizard is, he keeps on binging it. He keeps on using Microsoft Bing. It's just like Peter Parker wouldn't use Bing. I don't remember what movie I watched, but I watched a movie the other day,

and the main character had a type of car that they wouldn't drive if the movie was realistic. And then they put the name of the car on the car. And I was like, that would never. Like, that is just. Yeah, but that was like 15% of the budget. Yeah, exactly. All right.

I really want to play the box office game because I didn't know about this weekend. I remember this weekend vividly. Right. I didn't know about it. It's a great weekend. But is there anything else about The Devil Wears Prada that we have not covered? I mean, is there, Rom, is there anything? I mean, just the smile

at the end. Smile at the end. Right. Of course. Last scene. Yeah. Is Andy sees Miranda. Right. Across the street. Yeah. Also, one thing I will say, and this will close it out, is that when, at the end, it's a very conscious choice to dress her the way they do

because she's not poorly dressed she just clearly is not working for a fashion magazine yeah right and she gives she gives her clothes

to Emily Renee is like you're wearing that and it's like that outfit is really like if you go back to what she wore in the beginning

like that outfit's wildly fashionable she looks like a movie star yeah yeah she does but she does give Emily her surplus Paris Fashion Week clothes.

Yeah. As a peace offering. Big shoes to fill. Yeah you have big shoes to fill she's just some poor scared lady. Yes. I hope you know that.

What I was going to say one thing I give this movie credit for doing is not having Andy write The Devil is Proud at the end. Oh. Right.

Very true. They could have done that. Because then she would seem like a petty... Also... Agree. Yes. If they did that, I can promise you

I would not have seen it 10 times. Yeah, no, the movie would have left a really bad taste in your mouth if that's how it ended. Right. Because the movie is better than Lauren Weisberger.

Yeah, it is. Right, right. She doesn't, like, grind. And I've never even... The thought that she writes it never comes into my mind. that. Yeah, it is. Right, right. She doesn't like grind. And I've never even, the thought that she writes it like never comes into my mind. Right. Which I think is

the smartest choice this movie makes. That's true. The single smartest choice. Yeah. Okay, box office game. So I had been going to the same summer camp

for years and years and years. We've talked about it. And then worked there for a little while. And this was like the first summer in like eight or nine years that I hadn't gone there.

Whatever it was. It was July 4th weekend 2006. So in the first summer, five years I had gone. Sure, sure. And I went to Paris for a month, the motherland where our mother is from. Sure, gay Perry. To stay with her childhood friends. When I was in Paris in high school, when I would go there, I would stay with her high school ex-boyfriend.

Your mother's high school ex-boyfriend? And his family. And I always thought that the wife in the family was my mom's friend and that he was just… Me too. I didn't realize until recently. Oh, you didn't put it together later. No, no, no, no. Yeah.

And then I would like… They had like two teenage daughters. I would hang out with them when I was there. And then they would like… When they introduced me to friends, be like, it's weird. It's like we could have been siblings in a different world. And I was like, what? Except I had to pretend like, haha like haha yes I've known this all along

they stayed at our house in New York and they were like well we could have been sisters and I was like I don't understand so I was living for a month with my mother's

high school boyfriend absolutely not even high school it was like they were together for a long time he proposed to her I didn't know that are you kidding me?

yeah she said no though it's good that we're getting Griffin mom talk because it's usually Griffin dad talk our mom's crazy were you about to? Yeah, she said no, though. It's good that we're getting Griffin mom talk, because it's usually Griffin dad talk. Our mom's crazy. We're about to say fucked up. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying, like, no, no, no, no. There's a lot

of stuff there. No, no. The thing about our mom is that we're constantly, every day, it's like, wait, you were a ballerina dancer in Russia? That's an example I always throw out. There's a lot of it. There's a lot of stuff that our mom doesn't tell us. Yes, that she was a ballerina and dancer in Russia, and I've never seen her dance in my entire life.

Like, I've never seen her dance at a party. I don't know if that's true, but I just threw that out. But, like, there are things like that all the time. But I remember her telling me that. I know she did Shakespeare in Russia at some point. Yeah, no, no. But she spoke Russian and lived there? No, our mom has lived, like, 18 lives.

Sure. And most of them are secret. Right. So that's why this is unsurprising and funny. Right. So you were in gay parodies. I was living with them. So it was like this one summer I was kind of like disconnected with American movies in a way.

And I was watching the box office very closely from afar. And I had gone to see a screening. I was like so amped for the movie that was number one the weekend. The Devil Wears Prada came out. It was my most anticipated movie of the summer. Mine too. It was called Superman Returns. Correct.

Brian Singer film. I knew I was going to Paris. It wasn't coming out in France until like a month or two later because this was still. It was back in the day before the global rollout. Right. So we all went to go see that as a family because I worked every angle I could to like get a screening before I went away to France. And thought that it was going to be the movie of the summer.

It's a wonderful movie. A movie I really like. Yep. A movie that would be a masterpiece if you changed one piece of casting, which we've talked about. We disagree, but go ahead. Wait, do we?

Who is it? Rachel McAdams should have played Lois Lane. I mean, that's good casting. But anyway, I like Kate Bosworth. I like Kate Bosworth. Yeah, yeah. In that movie. Yes.

One of my hottest takes. I like Kate Bosworth in that movie. One of my hottest takes. I think she's bad in that movie. But I like that movie a lot. And then the opening weekend of this film. Right. This movie, I think, was intended just as like easy counter-programming to what was going to be the obvious juggernaut. And it did a lot better. And Superman Returns didn't do quite as well.

And people were like, oh, it siphoned some of the money away from superman superman returns opens on july 4th weekend so five day weekend to 76 million dollars it's a lot of money yes uh devil wears product opens to 40 which is a huge its budget was 35 so it like you know in an opening weekend it outdoes its budget that's humongous because even like the biggest estimates at the time were like this might break out it might do 25 opening weekend sure it outdoes its budget. That's humongous. Because even the biggest estimates at the time were like, this might break out. It might do 25 opening weekend. Sure.

And then it opens to 40. Yeah, it makes 124 domestic, 325 total. Right. Worldwide. A lot of money. A lot of money. And I read an interview with Bryan Singer recently where they asked him to assess Superman Returns

and what he thinks went wrong there in terms at least of public reception and box office, which, weird thing to think about, Superman Returns made almost the exact same amount as Batman Begins. Sure. Like, they both made like 200 on the nugget. Batman Begins, there was a demand,

and then the second one blew up. Superman Returns, they kept on debating whether or not to do another one for years, but it just wasn't the same sort of... We'll do that movie someday. We'll do it someday. I mean, that movie has a very weird pitch. Agreed.

Yeah. But part of the weird pitch he said was, he said, I thought if you could marry a superhero movie to a romantic comedy, make a superhero movie, not a romantic comedy, a romantic drama.

A romance, yes. If you could invest a superhero movie with real romance, that it would be bigger, it would be like the Titanic of superhero movies, and you'd get a female audience in a way you hadn't for other superhero films. And he said the problem was

women just wanted to see Devil Wears Prada instead. Yeah. Sorry, Brian. Also, you did a weird job with that. Agreed. In my opinion. That's the weakest part of the movie.

I think it's interesting, but it's definitely not a romance like in the conventional terms. But that was his goal. And then Devil Wears Prada, like he thought, oh, I'll make a movie that like crosses the aisle.

Sure. And instead, every woman was like, this is our fucking Superman. I mean, that movie's, yeah. Yeah. Devil Wears Prada is a huge surprise hit. Okay, so that's number two. What's number three, though? It's a fantasy comedy, sort of.

It's a fantasy comedy. But it's a grounded real world comedy with a fantasy element starring one of the big stars of comedy. Click? Yes. Click. Click. Adam Sandler gets a remote control with which to control

his terrible movie. My first guess was going to be Click and then you said Grounded. But you know what I mean? It's just about a fucking guy. It's one weirdo. Frank Caracci. Frank Caracci, who you've worked with. I just worked with. 137 domestic that movie makes. Big hit. Big hit. Makes more

than Devorah's Prada. Yeah, that's crazy to think about. Great scene where Terry Cruz lip syncs to a song and he mutes him. The only good scene. The crazy thing is Devorah's Prada we're still talking about. No one talks about Click. Uh, yeah. People don't talk as much about Click. People talk about Click?

No. Number four is a silly baby movie that I'm sure you saw. Uh, Cars? Yeah. I thought so. Sure.

I thought it was good. Well, you were the right age. I think it still has its qualities. Yeah, but you don't like Cars 2 or 3. I think Cars 2 is garbage. I think Cars 2 is garbage.

I think Cars 3 is one of the most movies ever made. It's like fine. Cars 3 is so aggressively fine. Isn't that kind of what Cars is? Cars is pretty aggressively fine. I think Cars,

the first Cars has some substantial highlights. It's a very stupid plot line. The world building is terrible. I think Cars 1 has elements that feel like full Pixar power. I agree. Like there are characters, there are scenes, there are themes.

There are moments where I'm like, this is Pixar fighting at full power. Yeah. And then there's stuff that's dumb. Cars 3 feels like a solid DreamWorks movie. Yeah. Like it feels like a double. It's not bad, but it's like fine. It's got one moment

that's kind of effective. Cars 2 is a garbage fire. Number five is comedy. Ed Hemin said I saw Cars four times in theater. Yeah. This summer, I saw it four. I remember seeing it again.

You're outrageous. I remember seeing it again in France, because I wanted to see how well it translated. How well did it translate? The character's name is Flash McQueen in French.

Thank you for that. Flash McQueen! Ka-chow! Number five is a comedy that is a follow-up to one of the biggest, like the director's follow-up to one of the biggest comedy hits. Not in terms of money made,

but in terms of impact. Interesting. It actually was kind of a hit. It certainly outgrossed its budget by many times. But it wasn't as big as the previous film. I think it's more of like a weird niche movie that some people really love. Big comedy director. Does it have a big comedy star in it?

Yes. Had he worked with that star before? Was this a team? This was his second movie, as far as I know. His first movie is like a little indie movie. Oh, this is a movie that I really like that I think is really good that has stood the test of time I think is far better

than his original film. It's called Nacho Libre starring Jack Black. Correct. Jared Hess. I think it's a secret little masterpiece. I've seen

just because of you. It's Griffin. Yeah, he used to see the movies. We used to go see movies a lot. Nacho Libre which made $80 million. It's just the fact that I saw Nacho Libre

in theaters. That's why it's funny. Yeah, I saw it. Yeah. I saw it with you. Yeah. I think it $80 million. It's just the fact that I saw Nacho Libre in theaters. That's why it's funny. Yeah, I saw it. Yeah. Yeah. I saw it with you. Yeah. Yeah.

Uh, I think it was really good. It was a really big hit. And then he like, I feel like people forget that movie was successful. Yeah. They think of it as a flop, but it wasn't.

They think of it as like a one hit wonder kind of guy. Jared Hess. Uh, Jared Hess, who then made. Gentlemen Broncos. Gentlemen Broncos, which was a flop.

Barely comes out. Yeah. And then Masterminds. Right. And he did another one that barely came out, too. Don Verdeen. Yeah. Never heard of it.

Right. Other movies, you got The Lake House. Keanu and Sandra reunited, but they don't get to spend much time together. You got Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift. Good movie. Great movie. You got something called Waste Deep. Never heard of it.

Never heard of that? Oh, oh, is that... Let's see. We got something called Waste Deep. Never heard of that. Never heard of that? Oh, oh, is that a Tyrese vehicle? Let's see, we got Tyrese. Yes, and the game, I believe, is in it, Megan Good. I remember that movie. Vondie Curtis Hall picture, director of Glitter. Oh, hey. Good actor. Good, great actor. The breakup

is in there, The Da Vinci Code. Breakup's good. That's a movie that I think is. Oh, that's a good movie. Peyton Reed's good. Good director. A lot of movies that I saw in college. That's what I think of when I think of Breakup, Da Vinci Code, X-Men 3, Garfield, A Tale of Two Kitties.

I didn't see that. Inconvenient Truth. I didn't see that one. He came out with the follow-up. Garfield? Oh, no. Inconvenient Truth. There's a new one. Yeah, an with the follow up. Garfield. Oh no. And Inconvenient Truth. There's a new one.

Yeah. An Inconvenient Sequel. Yeah. I thought there was a joke coming but then I don't want to spoil that the end of it but I know

you can spoil it. Spoiler alert. We're fucked. All right. Well that's the end of the box office game. Great. It's two Oscar nominations that loses both of them. What did it lose costumes to or did it win costumes? No it lost right. Well, that's the end of the box office game. Great. Gets two Oscar nominations.

It loses both of them. What did it lose costumes to? Or did it win costumes? No, it lost, right? I can tell you. 2006. Might have been... Yeah, you want to pick?

That's the year Departed wins Best Picture. So it wasn't the Departed. Right. Series of Unfortunate Events was nominated but didn't win, right? No, it was not. I think it was nominated for Production Design. Okay. It's a good winner, actually. So win, right? No, it was not. I think it was nominated for production design. Okay. It's a good winner, actually.

So the nominees are The Queen, another contemporary movie. Right. Queen doesn't win. Dreamgirls. So good. Devil Wears Prada. Dreamgirls got crazy costumes. Curse of the Golden Flower.

Yeah. Which is a wild nominee. Yeah. And then Marie Antoinette is the winner, which has very elaborate costuming by Milena Catanera. I will say, when I saw Dreamgirls with Rom later this year and Dreamgirls has definitely faded in your heart more than Devil Wears Prada which has stayed.

I still listen to the soundtrack sometimes when I get ready. Non-stop. It's my number one karaoke go-to. But whatchamacallit after the end I'm telling you I'm not going number when it's like, dum,

bum, bum, and it's like the big musical there and the whole audience starts applauding, the second the music cut out,

Rom turned to me. What did I do? Eight years old and her eyes are open wide and she goes, this is the best movie I've ever seen in my entire life.

Oh my god. You were like, breathless. Like, this is the best movie I've ever seen my entire life i did that when uh domino gleason goes to uh to russia to the countryside in anna karenina and they pull aside the curtain you said this i turned to joey and i said this is the greatest movie i've ever seen not a weird thing to do yeah that's a weird thing to do? Yeah, that's a weird thing to do. Especially when you're not eight. Yeah, I wasn't eight.

I was like, you know, 24. Rom, people should follow you on social media. Not your Finsta account. Not your fake account that I'm blocked from seeing. I'll re... I know, because here's the thing. I'm always like, oh, some of this stuff is really funny. Griffin will appreciate it.

And then I start posting things and I'm like, I don't know if Griffin should know about this. Is this your private account? Yeah, it's my Finsta. I've never heard of Finsta. I don't know what that is. It's such a thing. I'm so old. I have a food blog

which I'm quite proud of. Maybe not as proud as my Finsta, but it's up there. RomleyNewman.com is the place to go. It's a really smart name. Thought of it myself. And your name on Twitter and Instagram, if you want to call you. Food by Romley. I don't really tweet, so I'm not even going to put that out there.

But Food by Romley, if you like to see good food. Both pictures of food you eat and food you make. Right. I think you have a good balance of the two. Yes. of food you eat and food you make. Right. I think you have a good balance

of the two. Yes. Yes. Sometimes I feel like I need more clarification because I feel like people think I'm a better chef than I am

because they think all the pictures are... Oh, sure. Sure, sure. Well, you know, you're not being dishonest. No, I put the... I never say I made this.

Right, right. So, what am I saying? You're curating. I'm curating. Curating. Curating. Where to go and what to make. Yeah.

Yeah. Yes, I did get a rare Romney fave yesterday when I just tweeted Stanley Tucci. Well, yeah, because I was in the same boat. No, no. I mean, I agree. Stanley Tucci. Agreed. But yes, I feel like you're not big on Twitter.

I'm not. You're a Twitter lurker. Used to be bigger. Sure. I think you had your period where you were into it. I love this cold pressed juice. Yeah. And now it's stupid.

Now people don't know if you like cold pressed juice or not. They have no idea. We'll never know. Well, thank you so much for being here, Romilly. Thank you for having me. Thanks for being on our dumb podcast, Romilly. It's so great. Yeah.

Have fun having Redditors discuss all of your opinions now. Oh, my God. I forget how popular this is. So popular. Yeah. I think how popular this is. So popular. Yeah. I think we're the number one podcast, right? Yeah, we recently became number one. We just dethroned Serial.

We're number one. Yeah, Serial's going to release a new season about how great we are and how we beat their ass and just dump them in the garbage. Which is crazy because they were the first podcast. It was. It was no podcast, no podcast, no podcast. Serial.

That's how it worked. Do you remember that this started out as a parody? As a serial parody? Yeah. No, I remember. I will never forget. I remember that we had the serial music. I remember having to listen to it a lot.

Yeah. I helped make that mashup. You're a good boy. I am a good boy. You're a real good boy, Benny. Yep. So join us next week for Catherine Bigelow. Yeah.

I guess we're breaking off a Bigelow, right? Do we have a name? Zero Podcasting? Zero Pod 30. Pod Zero. Poddo. Poddo. Dark Casting.

The Podlock Cast. Oh, boy. P19. The boy. P19. The pod of casting. That's a... Yeah, pod 19, the widow caster or variations therein. I've seen that. Yeah.

We'll have to figure something out. We're going to have to figure something out fast. Stay tuned for that. Strange podcasting. Yes, stay tuned for that. Whatevering yeah yes stay tuned for that whatever it's called yeah it's gonna be the loveless yeah that's what yeah next week we'll be discussing the loveless available on amazon prime last i checked great company willem defoe jeff bezos did just lower the prices at uh whole foods i can get a cheap avocado yeah he did get myself a cheap cotto, yeah, he did. Get myself a cheap-cado. Hell, yeah.

Unfortunately, he also lowered my salary for season two of the day. Oh, did he? He did. Are you announcing season two right now? Yeah, he said,

they said, we're going to cut down Whole Foods prices. Unfortunately, that money. They were like, good news and bad news. Good news and bad news. Number one, good news.

Avocados, two bucks. Bosh got a raise, though. So you and Bosh were in the same meeting? They, like, gathered all the stars? Yeah. Bosch got a raise though. So you and Bosch were in the same meeting? They like gathered all the stars? Like was Mozart in the jungle there? Yeah. Do you know that Titus Welliver collects action figures? No.

I saw a video recently. Titus Welliver will be one of the guests on my new podcast, Toy Boys. You're not allowed to have another podcast. You're not allowed to have another podcast until we are no longer week to week. Tune in next week for Toy Boys with special guest Tyus Walliver. Yeah, no bonus episode of Nolan yet,

we should say, right? Yeah. We might do one. Look, scheduling's been crazy. Scheduling's been really tough. But you might drag me to Six Flags at some point. Yeah, it just might be a delayed thing. But people will be happy whenever the fuck we do that. Right.

At that point, that might be more of like one of our DC episodes than specifically a Nolan episode. That might be a general kind of State of the Union DC miniseries check-in. Great. We're doing this disjointed, long-form DC miniseries spread across years. All right. Yeah, no. Good job, everybody. Hopefully they'll announce a Joker movie by then.

I'd really love to see a movie about the Joker. No, I don't think they think that's bankable. Yeah. By the way, we're recording this in May of 2012. Okay, so thank you all for listening. Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe. Check out our subreddit for some real nerdy shit. Thanks to Ange for Gudo for our social media,

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