Blank Check with Griffin & David - The Intern with Jamie Lee

Episode Date: November 18, 2018

Comedian, writer and actor Jamie Lee (HBO's Crashing) joins Griffin and David to discuss Meyers’ most recent offering, 2015’s The Intern. But what was Griffin and Jamie’s experience auditioning for this movie? Why is the husband so lame and unlikable? Is there a bombshell in this edition of Romilly’s Kitchen Corner? Together they examine why Anne Hathaway rules, avoiding posterboard bits and what Nancy thinks of millennial men. This episode is sponsored by Threesome podcast on [Earwolf](https://www.earwolf.com/show/threedom/) and [Talkspace](https://www.talkspace.com/check) CODE: CHECK. Crashing Season 3 returns to HBO in January. [Official Trailer:](https://youtu.be/aM7UWB4dfYY) And check out Jamie’s book [Weddiculous](http://www.weddiculousbook.com/) and her stand-up comedy album [“I mean…”](https://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/i-mean/1330549302) Music selection: “Morning Mandolin” by [Chris Haugen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdlYOofYQOs) Licensed under [Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)

Here's my theory about this. We all grew up during the take your daughter to work day thing, right? So we were always told we could be anything, do anything. And I think guys got maybe not left behind, but not quite as nurtured, you know? I mean, like, we were the generation of you go girl. We had Oprah. And I wonder sometimes how guys fit in, you know? I mean, they still seem to be trying to figure it out.

They're still dressing like little boys. They're still playing video games. I mean, you know, well, they've gotten great, so. But how in one generation have men gone from guys like Jack Nicholson and Harrison Ford

to take Ben here? A dying breed, you know? I mean, look and learn, boys, because if you ask me, this is what podcast is. What's the word? Cool. Cool.

Sure. You think she likes games? She's like a gamer? No, I realize they misattributed part of... Someone else says that, right? Right. I believe Zach Roman says... Yeah, or Divine says that.

Video games are pretty good these days. And they added in the two lines from the other boys, and somehow they misattributed that one to her. Anyway, I'll complain to IMDb. Hello, everybody. My name is Griffin Neumann. I'm David Sims. This is Blank Check with Griffin and David.

It's a podcast about filmographies, directors who have massive success early on in their career and given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. Sometimes those checks clear, sometimes they bounce, and sometimes they clear and Hollywood decides to, for some reason, stop letting them make movies anyway. Sure. Do you think that's what happened? I think a couple things happened. Took her six years to make movies anyway. Sure. Do you think that's what happened? I think a couple things happened. It took her six years to make this movie. And she has talked about how much of a fight it was

coming off of a movie that made $100 million. Yeah. Like, off of It's Complicated, which was an unqualified success. Total hit. She was like, I could not get this movie made. And she went through, like, four different casts, and every time it was two A-list stars.

Right. And she still couldn't get it made. And she hasn't gotten a movie made since then. No. If you follow her on Instagram as we do, she complains a lot. Understandably. Am I allowed to talk?

Please. Oh, okay. We want you to talk. Yeah, I was noticing on her Wikipedia page, but she did produce Home Again. Yes. Her daughter's film. And it felt very her.

I felt like her stamp was on it. But yeah, it wasn't. We will talk about it next week. We include it as a bonus episode because it feels very much of a piece. You know, but her daughter hasn't gotten to make another movie yet. Maybe she would be happy

continuing to produce and help her daughter She did think about making her daughter's script, right? Wasn't that a thing? There was a different script. A different script. That she said she was going to direct

has not been able to get financing. Has not been able to set it up. This movie cost half of what it's complicated cost. This was her first budget cut movie. I also hear that she went two months over schedule. For this movie? Yes. It's complicated was

so complicated. Very complicated. It was so long. It's very long. There was just a lot of moving pieces. I feel like this movie at least is very direct. It's the intern and it's about the intern. He's an intern at the company. He works for the boss. The boss's life. That's it.

There's no bullshit. It's complicated. It's weirdly complicated for a movie with no plot. There's no high stakes. No. I think this movie. She's a little afraid of stakes. She's afraid of stakes.

Nancy Meyers, yeah. But this is one of the movies for me where it fully feels like a feature rather than a bug. This movie luxuriates in the lack of conflict for so much of it. The big action sequence is deleting the email. Right. That's like the big sort of tense set piece It really just. The big action sequence is deleting the email. Right. That's like the big sort of tense set piece in the middle of the movie.

Yeah, it's an email. About this movie. To her mom who sucks. Yeah, her mom sucks the whole time. Yeah. Played by Mary Kay Place. Do you know?

Yeah, I know. It's a very recognizable voice. Yeah. The thing about this movie that makes me want to cry at several moments and I like got so close to crying.

Like I was super fucking fucking super fucking super fucking choked up movie that makes me want to cry at several moments and i like got so close to crying like i was super fucking fucking super fucking super fucking choked up at like six different points during watching this and sometimes it's literally just recognizing that this is a movie about two people getting to know each other yeah oh my god that's so simple and so human that it like emotionally overwhelms me oh Now I'm overwhelmed. Oh my God. I'm just like that's the sweetest thing in the world to make a movie about. Yeah. It's also a movie about how like everyone's got like lots of stories to tell you.

Yeah. You know, like De Niro's a fountain of stories. Like everyone's a person. It's also like the beginning of the movie kind of touches on, this is dark. This is a dark way to process it. Please. touches on this is dark this is a dark way to process it please but it kind of touches on that like um that montage from up where it gets like it's kind of bleak at first and then the movie starts to unfold and you're like oh this is like a fun up movie if you will but like when it starts

with de niro being like i lost my wife i go to starbucks every day I'm just kind of like watching the time pass. Like my grandfather is in that spot right now. So when I watched, like my grandmother died two years ago. And like that is sort of how he structures his day. He just needs for shit to do. Yeah. And I just visited him. So when I was watching this movie, I was like, oh God. It's a lot.

It's a lot to process. There's something, it's not, it's just a little depressing to like video camera with no one behind it. Like he set it up by himself to do the video message.

Like no one was like, let me help you, you know, uncle or. That was something that kind of, I felt like in general, I don't know if you guys agree with this, but I thought that like my grandfather,

he's 96 years old and he texts. Okay. Yeah old and he texts, he texts, he totally understands how to use his computer. Right. Um, he's always like has a new phone. He doesn't have like a flip phone from 1997 or whatever. Yeah. So I think all that stuff where they're like, what's a USB cord? You're just like, I just wish that wasn't,

I want, I don't want that stereotype to exist anymore that like you're too old to understand technology. I had that in my thought already, USB connector. What was that conversation like? But you also set up that complicated camera to film yourself. You've got this, De Niro.

Was she like a USB connector? I don't know, it's like a cord that connects one thing to another thing. Like there's no conversation we had about a USB connector. Yeah, it's not hard. It's not the thing. It's also weird. Our guest is Jamie Lee, by the way. Hi, Jamie. Amazing comedian, well, there's no conversation we had about a USB connector. Yeah, it's not hard. It's not a thing. It's also weird. Our guest is Jamie Lee,

by the way. Hi, Jamie. Amazing comedian, writer, actor, star of Crashing. Cool. The single above the title

star of Crashing. Wait, is there, I actually have no, is there a Crashing season three? There is. We just finished filming. Oh, that's awesome.

Yeah, it comes out in January. Oh, yeah. So this will be closer to coming out by the time this episode comes out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This episode will post around Thanksgiving. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, it comes out in January. Oh, yeah. So this will be closer to coming out by the time this episode comes out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this episode will post around Thanksgiving.

Oh, nice. I remember, I mean, because we were talking before I recorded, we both auditioned for this movie. Yes. Everyone who even had any sort of semblance of a relationship to the comedy world seemingly auditioned for this movie. Yes. Like anyone under 40 who had ever taken a UCB class audition

for this movie. Was it New York and LA? Because I feel like it's a New York movie. Is it drawing for the New York scene in particular? I auditioned in LA. You were in LA.

Okay. Yeah. I also, it's interesting because it is a comedy, but it's not such a comedy that's like only comedians could play these parts.

No, and a lot of those parts they ended up casting like, oh, this is like a drama school kid, you know, or these are like former teen stars or like things like that. Like there are only a couple comedians in the movie and some of them in the parts you didn't think you would cast a comedian.

Matt Wolfe is in one scene and never reappears. And I auditioned for that guy three times along with five other characters. Did they fire that character because he's such an idiot? Because he asks Robert De Niro where he's going to see himself in 10 years? Yeah. Do you think that's why we never see him again? I think so, but it's weird. It's high billing, pretty high billing.

No, I remember the casting process for this went on for months. They kept on pushing back the start of filming, which is one of the things that caused this movie to go over budget and over schedule. Because it was like, she kept on being like, I can't start filming, I haven't found my boys yet. And they pushed back another like six weeks. And there were like

12 boys in this movie. It was a boy heavy movie. And I kept on getting called in. They'd be like, this time it's these two characters. This time it's this. Now you're meeting with this person. Now you're meeting with this person.

And I met with her once. Yeah, tell the story. I told this story. You told this story like three years ago on the podcast. But tell it again. I feel like it needs a revisit. tell the story. I told this story. You told this story like three years ago on the podcast, but tell it again. I feel like it needs a revisit.

I mean, this is the intern episode. So I kept on, I'd go in and they'd be like, read these two characters. And I'd do the two and then they'd be like, do you want to go back out and read this one? And then they'd call me in and then they'd ask me stuff, like all this stuff. And then it was finally like, okay, here's the Nancy day. You're going to meet with Nancy. Oh my God. And I get to the waiting room and the waiting room is the entire current cast of Saturday

Night Live and me. Right. They're all in there. Yeah. Like, it's like, wow. You told me it was like Jost.

Jost. Aidy Bryant. I think Vanessa Bayer was in there. I think Cecily Strong was in there. She's like, right. Literally like Don Pardo. I think Cecily was in there.

So like Don Pardo was introducing them as they went into the room. There might've been one other person in the room who was on Saturday Night Live. And even like the other people were like, oh, I know you're a writer on Saturday Night Live. You know? Oh, wow. Okay. Like, you know, you're a really good actor who's also a writer on this show. Like everyone there was just like, and I looked at the sign-in sheet and the people before me and all of this.

And I was just like, Jesus fucking Christ. And I was just like, Jesus fucking Christ. And the thing I had heard, or I remember them saying, like, when I was eavesdropping in on the production office, which was, like, right next door to the audition waiting room. Because this wasn't a casting office. This was, here's the pre-production office for the intern. Here's her office in the back. You're in the waiting room. And all the, like, you know, sweater designers are, like, running around with sample swatches to show Nancy. That's also such a mindfuck because it's like you're starting to see the movie being made.

You know what it'll look like. You're already part of the world. And it's like, but you're not really part of the world because you're not cast. So, yeah, it's a lot to experience at an audition. They've let you in too early through the veil. So they call me in. They call you in. And the casting director, who's a guy I'm friendly with,

who I've gone in for a bunch of times. Do you know what role it was for at this point? Sounds like all of them. Yeah. It was kind of all of them. Except De Niro.

He was in there too. Yes. They were recasting the De Niro part. Nancy was not satisfied. For the final one, the scene I remember doing in front of her

was the Beyonceyonce i don't know where to wear scene uh-huh okay um but i don't remember if i read multiple scenes in front of her at that point or if they said like let's focus in on this one or whatever it was they kept on switching it around i think there were other characters that even got cut out um but uh you know griffin come this way leads me through the like pre-production offices and it felt like a scene from the intern or like devil wears prada where it's like here's all the like pre-production offices and it felt like a scene from the intern or like devil wears prada where it's like here's all the like hub a lot of desks and craziness like overwhelmed and he's just saying stuff to me and he's like griffin i really hope you kill it

in there you know i mean we're really rooting for you you know nancy's had a really hard time finding funny people she says she can't find anyone funny in new york yeah totally psyched me out and then went by the way she's not a shaker and I said what and the door opens that's like in the movie yes when she's what was it what was the thing in the movie that she does oh she does it like doesn't like an olympic blinker it was literally that

it was like Nancy's having a really hard time she doesn't think anyone's funny she's wondering why she can't find funny people in New York City anyway she's not a shaker here you go door open she's sitting there she looks like Nancy Meyers. She looks like a Nancy Meyers movie. Nancy Meyers is like an onomatopoeia. Like when you hear that, you know exactly what

there's like an image that's conjured. Nancy Meyers. Right. Nancy Meyers. It sounds like something that would like be one of the settings on a white noise machine. She's just like a pashmina of a woman. Exactly. So like I'm not. Right. She's just like a Pashmina of a woman. Yes. Exactly. So like I'm not.

Right. You just you're seeing a sentient sweater. Right. It like took me a second to parse out like, oh, what he's saying is she doesn't like it when people shake her hand. Right. Right. But by saying.

Calling her a shaker. She's not a shaker. She's not a shaker. Not a shaker. I sometimes shake. It's not like I can't function if I haven't. Right. It's not like part of your identity. But suddenly I was like. I'm a shaker. Not a shaker. I sometimes shake. It's not like I can't function if I haven't shook. Right, it's not like part of your identity. But suddenly I was like, I don't know what to do with my hands.

No, oh no, I would too. And I'm like standing in there. Those weird like militant Quakers they call the Shakers. Yes. Maybe she's just saying that. Like she's a regular Quaker. Nancy Meyers is actually a Hasidic Jewish man. Yeah.

Who won't shake hands. I couldn't fucking figure it out. And I just walked in there and was immediately just like completely overwhelmed by the situation. Did she say like, hi, nice to meet you? Like, was there warm?

She was like, whenever you're ready. No, stop. She was like very like, she was kind of Miranda Priestly. You know? Not to like equate the two, but it was that sort of like. You want her to be Jules Austen.

Right. She didn't seem mean, but she was very like, like it was like. She was just sort of like you want her to be Jules Austin right she didn't seem mean but she was very like like it was like she was just sort of go I'm the samples for like the fall line right you know like I hope I like this

if not I'm gonna be honest the only note I remember her giving me was to slow down sure I mean a note I get a lot I feel like every comedian gets that note constantly

yeah yeah because we can't just like relax in the discomfort we just have to like keep going right right right just like hit it hit it exactly exactly and you don't abide silence right and then I think she was like okay and I like I left and I was like okay I've like botched this and then like 10 days later uh Drew Tarver my friend very, very fine comedian and actor, was like,

hey, can I stay on your couch in New York? And it was because he had gotten called in to read for the same four parts. And it was like, okay, now they're flying in people from LA because they've completely- She's like building a time machine to the golden age of Hollywood.

She has written off New York for any funny actors under 35. But this is- Just conclusively and we've talked about this week to week. This is her reputation is a very meticulous filmmaker who wants everything to be exactly as she imagined it. I've read this as well. She's the Kubrick of rom-coms.

I mean, she like really is. So you did you audition for this movie, Jamie? Yes, I did. I auditioned for the role of Becky, the assistant. Right. And that was as far as I know, I think that was the only, like, girl comedy role. Did you know anyone else?

The rest of them are, like, multiple, like, a couple lines. Yeah, I feel like that was kind of the main one. But that's the thing. I feel like I went through so many rounds to be the Nat Wolff character that I wouldn't be surprised if, like, A.D. Bryant was auditioning for the person

who's, like, Ben's the one who cleaned up. Yeah. Like, one-line roles. Right,'s the one who cleaned up. Yeah. Like one line roles. Right, right. Not Ben Hosley. Right. Like only one of those female young parts is good. Yeah.

But I also wouldn't be surprised if she auditioned super overqualified people for all the day player parts. Right. Sure. That's the vibe I got. People want to be in these movies. Yeah.

Right? I don't know. I don't know the actress who plays the assistant at all. She's really good. She was great. She's like an NYU drama school graduate who's done a lot of short films and plays since then. She's all she's she's she's really good she's like an nyu drama school graduate who's like done a lot of short films in place and she's stressed out she was stressed out that was actually um not to like take it away from the audition process but that was something that was kind of confusing to me because like i thought

the main character and hathaway's character was like pretty reasonable for a boss i agree considering she's running the company like she was pretty pleasant I mean she like wanted stuff done on time but other than that she wasn't like Becky get in here like it wasn't that and Becky's having a meltdown Becky I'm like Becky that's your own anxiety like you're she's like I went to Penn I I worked so hard I and you're like no one's mad at you Becky no one is mad no one ever really gets mad at this movie no one even really talks to each other which is a little passive-aggressive in moments with the email thing the email thing she owns up to it that's the thing she's kind of you know she's a

little micromanaging like this is the worst i could say about her she's not a miranda priestly but becky was acting as if her boss was Miranda Priestly I love that this movie that it's Anne Hathaway's the boss now but she's not doing the Miranda Priestly it's kind of like a cool passing of the torch there was also a part where a classic Becky

moment it was when she was first bringing Ben into Jules' office for them to meet for the first time and she goes you have to be there promptly at three. She has another meeting at four. I'm like, she has a full fucking hour for the intern. Do you remember that? Yeah.

Wait, wait. Then they send an email later that says 2.55 for meetings at three. They only give you five minutes. Oh, maybe I misunderstood. I thought she said you have to be there promptly at three. She has another meeting at four. Oh, no. Did I mishear that?

Maybe. I think it's 255. Okay. Okay. But I don't remember her saying that out loud. I remember seeing the text on the email he opens up where it says 255. Oh. Right.

I remember that. So maybe that's a correction later. This was a phone call or something. I just remember hearing. I was like, wait, did I hear that right? And then she doesn't bring him in, I think, maybe. I just remember being like, Becky, that's not that,

that's actually a really long amount of time. Anyways, I might be wrong, so don't quote me. Cut all of this out. Cut it all out. No, no, double it. Keep it in double it.

It's a four-part episode. Yeah, exactly. Hey, David, we're two frowns. True, one, two. That's our competitive advantage. But there are some new kids on the block.

Okay. Who are... Wait, they're horning. True. One, two. That's our competitive advantage. But there are some new kids on the block. Okay. Wait, they're horning in? They're changing the game because there's three of them. Oh, that's fine. Something we never considered. Now, I don't feel competitive, but God, I'm impressed by the technological breakthrough. It's true. They are pioneers.

I mean, two friends. We all know. Yeah. Competitive advantage. Right. We're doing a great job over here. Three friends? I hadn't considered it. Now, I assume these are all neophytes to the podcast it's on earwolf the podcast scott okerman oh scott okerman sure yeah lauren lacus lauren lapkus i think you're

trying to say there and then paul f thompkins yeah period there so i think it's two separate oh you took a pause yes yeah yeah no they're very funny people paul uh lauren and scott Tompkins. There's a period there. So I think it's two separate sentences. Oh, you took a pause. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they're very funny people. Paul, Lauren, and Scott. You might know them from, say, Comedy Bang Bang or Spontaneanation or Raised by TV.

They are on separate podcasts. Oh, I had no idea. Maybe they'll cross over and guest with each other. You know, those podcasts can be bitty. There can be a lot of characters. That's not what this show is, okay? The best thing about Threedom is it's really simple. It's just three funny people hanging out.

It's actually so much fun. I'm a long-time fan of these guys. And you're listening to them just like be regular people and talk about their lives. Making fun of each other, sharing weird childhood stories, cracking up. Yeah, it is. It's really great. And it used to be behind a paywall. And now you can hear it

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every Thursday. The moment I love is when Ben, like, gets asked to move his desk. We're jumping all over the movie here. But ben like gets asked to move his desk we're jumping all over the movie here um but when he gets asked to move his desk next to next to becky's and she's like freaking right she's like there's not space right becky just needs whatever look but i also love that like ben extends his like clarabelle golden angel like lord of light powers to, like, I'm going to fix Becky as well. You know?

And I think the movie at that moment acknowledges, like, this isn't a Jules problem. Ben can help make Jules make her feel more comfortable. Right, right. But, like, he's got to fix Becky. Like, the Becky thing has to be fixed by her.

He does have to nudge Jules, though. Like, you know, give her a compliment. But he also, like, gets out of Divine with a handkerchief. Like, I love this notion that he's sort of like this Paddington figure who fixes the whole town. Yeah, no he does.

Everyone starts being happier. They all start treating each other better. Yeah. No, the Becky character is interesting, but I also think it really hit me watching it this time. I think especially after we've been living in Nancy for the last couple months talking about her a lot and knowing that we were going to do this many series i kept on when i've

been working on jobs like uh pumping crew stories uh nancy crew stories because she films a lot of movies in new york yeah i would talk to a lot of crew guys who worked on nancy movies who were like yeah yeah takes a fucking hour to shoot the, you know, like, what's so hard about lighting a sweater? You know, all this sort of stuff. Right. But I try to parse, like, okay, what are the actual details? Yeah, like, we need a little more than, like, you did a little over time.

But I think this character is like, her trying to reckon with how exacting she is in her work. Sure. And wondering if people view her as a tyrant. Oh, that's interesting. You know, like the fact that she's not a difficult boss. Right.

But that she's someone who cares about this so deeply and is so detail oriented and can't like. And one thing I love about this. Delegate responsibilities. I really do like this movie a lot. Early on is the scene where Rannells is like. And Rannells? Rannells? I don't know how to pronounce it.

Rannells. Andrew Rannells. Is like tells her thes, Rannells, I don't know how to pronounce any of the... Rannells. Is like, tells her the news of like, they want you to hire a CEO, and Anne Hathaway just starts crying, and not in a way where she's like, absurdly, like she's just so wounded by the idea of like, am I not doing a good job here?

Like, look at the business. Like, is this not good? I think that's what's super telling about this being her reckoning with because i also think you go i mean so you know she writes all these very successful comedies right she makes a good disney family film that makes money then she makes this fucking massive success right and then she gets to keep on like going on making these personal films of big budgets with big movie stars and they pretty much all do really well and then after

It's Complicated there's this thing because what It's Complicated is 09 and that's the same year as God it was that long ago I remember seeing that

in theaters and that's the same year on Christmas such a waste of time you gotta spend Christmas with Nancy that's the same year as The Proposal

right? The Proposal is92, isn't it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is. Yeah. Bullock and Reynolds. There's this moment where I was like, oh, this is an industry sea change moment where the proposal made $160 million. Sure. Like another $160 million worldwide.

It was like a massive success, one of the biggest romantic comedies in years. The writers pitched a sequel to Disney with the cast and the director attached and Disney was like, we're not interested. And they were like, what? This was a massive hit for you. And Disney said it's not enough of a profit maker. Because it doesn't do well enough overseas

and all that. Is that the idea? But it did well overseas but for them they're like, well if we make movies that make a billion dollars, then why make a movie that makes 300 million dollars even if it makes 200 million dollars profit? They're like, that's too small a profit for us. And that's like suddenly like romantic comedies are like, I don't know, is it like worth it? It's worth it. It's definitely worth it.

But I think they start writing off the genre and going like, even at the top of the pyramid, we're not going to make as much money. This isn't really even a romantic comedy. At yeah it's just a workplace but i think that's pointed it's a friendship movie yeah it's a movie i mean there's i guess romance is rekindled at the end that's the worst part of it no it's not a rom-com at all it's like a human dramedy yeah it's like a buddy dramedy right but i think she's like fuck okay they don't want to make rom-coms anymore she comes up with this concept it's like easy listening youamedy. Right. But I think she's like, fuck, okay, they don't want to make rom-coms anymore. She comes up with this concept. It's like easy listening, you know? Like if this were a record, that's what it would be.

Yeah, it's just like a good Phil Collins B-side. Yeah. But she, I think in 2011 or 2012, sets this movie up. With Tina Fey. Tina Fey and Michael Caine. And Michael Caine. Wait, sorry, what year is this? 2012.

Okay. Right? Yeah. And then Paramount shuts it down because they said the budget was ballooning. Sure. The actor's schedules were not lining up. Classic issues. Not worth it.

And they dropped it. Yeah. And she said, okay, I'm going to package the whole movie together and then shop it to a studio once I have the cast attached. So it's like, take it or leave it. This is what it is. This is the budget. Right.

And she goes to them with Reese Witherspoon and Robert De Niro. And Warner Brothers buys it. Then Reese Witherspoon drops out. Then the movie goes into turmoil again. They're not sure if they're going to make it. And it's like, oh, if they don't get De Niro now, then they're going to have to wait a year and this and that. And Hathaway swoops in at the last minute.

They cut the budget a bunch. And she gets to make the movie. But she's talked a lot about, like, I was surprised by how much of an uphill battle it was And like Hathaway swoops in at the last minute, they cut the budget a bunch, and she like gets to make the movie. But she's talked a lot about like, I was surprised by how much of an uphill battle it was after I made a movie that was an unqualified success. Right. And it kind of just felt like the industry didn't want my type of movies anymore. Didn't matter if I was doing them well, if they were profitable. That wasn't the profit they wanted.

That wasn't the genre they cared about. Doesn't translate overseas. Is never going to make a billion dollars not interested so i feel like in the time in between those movies she's also going like was i like too difficult like was i too demanding did i take too long right right which is like this character reckoning with the idea of like should i enjoy my life more like but i want everything to be right. Like, I want to be able to look at this product

and feel like I did it well. Yeah, you want to show how to put the tissue paper all, you know, precise. And that people were happy

with the end result. Like, it's not just about my ego. It's like, she wants to see the photo of the bridesmaids at the end of the movie and know that they got

the dresses they wanted. And that's, I like that it's just a photo. We don't get some call from a bride, like a five minute scene and be like, you saved my wedding. Like, you know that it's just a photo. We don't get some call from a bride, like a five minute scene and somebody's like, you saved my wedding.

Like, you know, it's just a little photo. It's nice. It's a little image. You look nice. The story I heard from a teamster, where he was like,

you're inside Scoop, Vinny, Vinny the sandwich guy. Like, who is this guy? Yeah, he was like, you want to hear how crazy this lady is? Teamsters have the best stories.

And they're so open. They just say all the names. And they've worked on any kind of movie, right? Everything. You always need them. And the only director they like is Steven Soderbergh because he gets stuff done so fucking quick. Steven Soderbergh, 17 pages.

You do it in two minutes. You talk to any- If they voted for the Oscars every year, every year it's Soderbergh. Unsane. Best picture. Best director. You're out by lunch. any like if they voted for the oscars like every year every year it's insane best picture best director out by lunch he pays you overtime out of his pocket you know that's great to hear those are the stories yeah um but with her it's like the opposite of that now i still feel like with

guys like fincher even though it like takes a while and he is detail obsessed they're like yeah but he's like such a perfectionist that That's the difference. And with her, they're like, what's taking so long? Right, right. And the story he told me was like they were so far over schedule. They were so over,

like everyone was like turning down jobs that they thought they were going to be able to, you know, move on to. Which is scary if it's like you got a,

you know, a fall of work lined up. And now this job's running long, you might not get something for two months. You don't want it to run long. Right. But so they were like, we need to get a second unit crew to do

all the pickup stuff so that we get this done. She can't be overseeing every single shot. And that she sent her assistant to the set with her iPad so she could FaceTime and oversee everything. And the Warner Brother executives were like trying to like it was a conditional you can't be on set because then it won't get done. And they were Brothers executives were like trying to like, it was a conditional,

you can't be on set because then it won't get done. And they were trying to kick out the kid with the FaceTime iPad. Whoa. And she was like, I can't let there be insert shots in my movie that don't fit like my worldview.

You know? Like I want this movie. A little heartbreaking. I give it to her. You know, I tip my cap because I don't, whatever. Like if I like David Fincher, I gotta like this too,

because everything in this movie never feels fakey. Like, every little detail, that kitchen is insane. And also, like, you know, not to timestamp this, but the day we're recording this is the day after the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh. Oh, great. Yeah, sure. I was, like, full fucking anxiety meltdown yesterday. Oh, sure, sure, sure. Like, losing my mind, and I put this movie on this movie on and it like 100% worked for me.

I felt better about humanity. It's interesting too because like I mean I think that the script and sort of the tone she's always trying to achieve. It's very sort of like light and dreamy and you know escapist in some ways. But also oh god I completely forgot what i was gonna say guys there's an intern oh i oh man it'll come back anyways it's sort of like you got robert de niro right he's like this old guy who lives in park slope and he's like gonna be an intern brooklyn his whole life he's brooklyn his whole life oh i remember what i was gonna say i knew that telling you the very big premise of the movie.

I mean, it is like her, the way she dresses a set is another character. Yes. And she's known for it. So I feel like she has to deliver on that front. She has to be meticulous. Almost in the same way like Wes Anderson is known for the way he like, you know, sets up a shot. Yeah, it's true. Wes Anderson did some like handheld shaky camera.

Yeah, if he just like handed it off to somebody else, you'd be like, wait, what? That's his whole thing. It's really the same for her. It's like the pillows and the coffee table books and, you know, the white wall, everything about it.

There's an entire ecosystem where every element has to be in place. 100% is an ecosystem. And it's like a spa where like if you went to a spa and there was a shitty picture hanging up on the wall,

you'd be like, this kind of ruins it for me. That's a great way to look at it. The music has to be right. The paneling has to be right. No, it's a total. Everyone working has to have the right tone of voice. That's really true.

Yeah, I think that the look of her movies are just as important as anything else. Yeah. Like you're kind of counting on it. I agree. Right. And people, you know, like the big, you know, criticism thrown at her is like the movies don't have conflict and they're all about like quote unquote white rich people problems. They are. They're not just

about white rich people. They're also, there is no diversity. There is no. This was the whitest one. This one really hurts. It really like, because this is set in Brooklyn. And there are so many people in this movie. There's like 18 roles that are like sex lines piece. You know what I mean. There's like 18 roles that are like six lines

a piece. You know what I mean? It's like you can fucking sprinkle a little more diversity into this movie. In a callous way. You can do it in a way that would make me wince but it would be better than not doing it at all. You look at the boy interns

and you're like, it kind of sucks that it's just like three white guys who sort of have similar looks you know i don't even fucking know their personalities are kind of the same yes yes yes they are like right they're not even anything no they're you don't even children they're just some guys because i don't even care one branch of this movie is what you're saying is that nancy reckoning with and then the other branch is her reckoning with like masculinity in millennials and how it's like gone which almost feels to me like her maybe going like i don't know maybe i put like some apatow stuff in it they'll be more bankable like i'll make it like this like it's her watching the apatow movies and being like

what is appealing about these men this is awful they should tuck in their shirts right and then so every boy in this movie is like a dumb right and maybe that's also to kind of like showcase a contrast between like the main character who's this woman who has her shit together yes and then these kind of like doofus plaid wearing i just think that stuff is is very broad like all the de niro stuff and the hathaway stuff for me feels so specific and they're so fully realized as characters not just the performances but the writing and what their

struggles are and all of that I totally agree and then the boys still feel like here are a couple silly boys and it gets really

hijinked the fucking laptop scene is like it's worth it for the moment where De Niro goes go break into our house

steal the laptop but once you get to that set piece we get two options we whack her and we get the lead, though. Yeah,

because, like, anytime it's De Niro and Hathaway talking in this movie, I'm like, this is a masterpiece. Yeah,

the whole, also the whole first half of it, you're like, just be friends. Like, you just wanted to be friends. Don't you see how nice he is?

And she's fine. She's pleasant. Oh, she's pleasant. not, not, there's not, there's never a lot of,

no, never a lot of conflict in these movies no one is a bitch on wheels in this movie wait I had a quick question about what women want is Nancy Meyers involved

in what men want which is coming out I think she gets a token producer credit maybe I mean I think she maybe

someone posted today she got added to the IMDB page as a director but Adam Shankman is direct it says now it now says directed by nancy myers comma adam shankman that's i think i think that's total bullshit okay um pete davidson is in it okay max greenfield shaquille o'neal who else is in it yeah um erica by do isn't it i'm just looking at mark cuban definitely not a man nancy myers movie way too diverse um yeah the other one i don't think she's the other erin she didn't write that

movie she didn't write what we don't know it's the one she didn't write okay um the other erin imdb thing i came across in the last day was some jokester uh-huh some richard t joker added imdb that uh academy award nominee michael mann director of heat yeah is one of the uh uh uh i don't know what you're talking about fucking why am i forgetting the name of it the the class they do in the park oh the tai chi the tai chi guys and i literally framed by framed both tai chi sequences to see if anyone was michael man and it's not no he's not in there you're not gonna do that i feel like some jokesters fucking around nancy meyer's imdb pages um don't like that this is the thing i was gonna say that's crazy like movies tell me about the three assistant boys oh yes um the the one

who both of you were like who is that guy? Where did he come from? is Nancy Meyers real life former personal assistant oh is that the third guy? the guy who wears the glasses and the sweater the one who wears the blouse was her real life

personal assistant you look at his IMDB profile it's him being personal assistant to a bunch of different people writers assistants in writers rooms he's not not an actor wanted to be a writer director just completed his own like debut film as a writer director good for him but she like there was a hollywood report article when he got cast that was like finally the movie can film production kept on getting delayed because she couldn't fill in this missing piece she had seen guys up to 10 times and then she finally just decided to hire her real personal assistant because that's clearly

who she had in mind wow and still made him audition five times that's yeah and he's not an actor but it's just like she was like well he's like a he's like that type and then finally just decided to make it that guy yeah why did she need four of them or however many there were? There's a lot of them. They're the same guy. They're all men. Yeah. It's really not a lot of women working at this company. It is.

Yeah. I guess some of the sales ladies here, I don't know. And it would kind of be more effective if it was one guy who he helped rather than like,

you can't dress, you don't know where to live. It didn't need to be a team of guys. One guy would have been fine. De Niro needs his little rat pack in this movie. I don't know where to live. It didn't need to be a team of guys. One guy would have been fine. De Niro needs his little rat pack in this movie. I don't know how else to describe it. Everyone loves De Niro in this movie.

The thing I love about this movie is that De Niro's character is such a nerd. Because we've talked about how much Nancy Meyers kind of idolizes the appealing creep. Yeah, they said Nicholson, Mel Gibson. They're kind of like, he's a creep yeah they said nicholson mel gibson the kind of like he's a dick but yeah right right there's something about him right you know right and this this is the opposite of that well because she likes 40 years she likes to have the the woman sort of like transform them yes right to have the female lead sort of like turn them from pieces of shit to like less less pieces of shit. You keep that edge and that juice and that charisma,

but you give him a conscience. In this movie, he's just a really decent, solid guy. There's really no transformation necessary. Women are throwing themselves at him from the beginning. Linda Lavin wants to make him some goddamn lasagna. She will pay him to have sex

with her like it really feels that way Fiona gave him an erection in the office like that shit can kind of go fucking south yeah I don't know if I needed the dirty grandpa scene

with Ray Russo it's weird it was so unnecessary a couple of times she does shit like that like the USB thing cause it's like the rest of the movie then he like

I was happy every time they avoided one of those things you don't take his dignity me too it felt it was like off tone. Like when he's trying to like console Adam Devine about Becky. Yes.

And he's like, have you talked to her? And he's like, a little bit. And he's like, I don't mean tweeting. Have you really talked to her? And you're like, okay, so he knows what tweeting is. Like, of course, he's a man of the world. But then it's like, he doesn't know how to turn a laptop on. He gets a boner anytime a woman touches him.

For some reason, the laptop thing I'll forgive. Yeah, that's not horrific. I don't mind the laptop on. He gets a boner anytime a woman touches him. For some reason, the laptop thing I'll forgive. I don't mind the laptop thing. The boner thing can literally fuck up. I like the boner thing. Okay, here's the thing. Here's the thing though. We could have had the boner scene without

two co-workers on either side of him looking at his dick. Seven reaction shots. Literally nudging each other like, look, Robert De Niro's dick is hard. It is weird that the score then goes like... I didn't even notice that.

I cannot handle it. I can't. It feels like some little fun. Did it really? Oh, I thought there was a score thing that you noticed. It's not impossible. It's not impossible that there'd be a twang.

I'm very gullible and that does feel fitting. I would not put it past this movie to have that. It's not a boy-o-yoing, but like some kind of slide whistle. Some kind of something

happening in the score. Yeah, right. Because the music was pretty like The music is obnoxious. It was very 80s. It did not feel like a current movie.

There's way too much music in this movie. It's a lot of music. The movie gets better when they kind of take the foot off the gas a little bit. Yeah.

Yeah. And the scene slowed down and becomes these conversations. Yeah. But like, yeah, the boner thing is like crazy. We can move past it. I mean, you know.

Yeah. I just remember like because when I was auditioning and I probably like when you're auditioning through the script they made you look at his boner

they made me write go look and I was like you're getting him here every day to read with every kid he's like what are you gonna do

he doesn't even have dialogue what are you gonna do got a boner neither of us can do it this boner yeah but I just was so

living in like, oh, this is like my eighth audition for this movie. I'm reading these same couple of shitty scenes where De Niro tells you you're dressing poorly and then gets a boner or whatever. I was so, I was so dreading. So you weren't even hyped up for the movie.

I was so dreading this movie. Right, right, right. And we talked about this past episode. I slipped the script to Bobby Finger. He was like, I love it. And I was like, I can't even deal with this fucking thing. Skipped it when it came out. And then I Finger. He was like, I love it. And I was like, I can't even deal with this fucking thing. Sure. Skipped it when it came out.

And then I kept on hearing people like, Quentin Tarantino said it was like one of his favorite movies of that year. And he was like, I think that's one of the best performances De Niro's given in the last decade. I think that should have won an Oscar for best screenplay. He is very good. It's a good movie. It's a good movie. Oh, I know.

It's a good movie. Solid movie. I reviewed it for The Atlantic. I said it was good. Marc Maron kept on fucking talking about it on WTF, where he'd be like, have you seen that intern thing? De Niro's so dialed in in that movie. Whenever he'd have an actor on the show, he'd be like,

De Niro's still good, have you seen The Intern? And I was like, I guess I gotta see this fucking thing, and I watched it on a plane. Sure. And I got off the plane. That's a great place to watch it. Immediately texted Romley, my sister, who lives in a Nancy Meyers movie,

and I was just like, Romley, have you seen The Fucking Intern? And she was like, yeah, why? And I was like, that movie's kind of a masterpiece. And she was like, what about all the shit with the boys and the boners and whatever? And I was like, I don't care about any of that. This is one of the only films I've ever seen

that is about a totally aromantic relationship between a man and a woman who are not relatives. I know. And it's just about two people becoming friends. Yep. And it's like them talking to each other about their problems. Right. But then there's this side plot in which she's married to a weasel.

A human weasel. Yes. We don't see the prologue in which a weasel was transformed into a human. No. Or when she decides to fall in love with him. It's the one piece of magical realism in this movie. Right. It's a living weasel. A weasel gains tenience and grows some orange facial hair.

That's my only bit. That's what sticks in my craw. He's like a little bearded gopher in this movie. Yeah, it's a very- He's tall. He's a tall bearded gopher. He feels little. You know what I mean? I know. He feels like a wet noodle. He feels kind of teeny. Yeah, it's a very... He's tall. He's a tall bearded gopher. But he feels little. You know what I mean?

I know, he feels like a wet noodle. He feels kind of teeny. Yeah, he does. I feel like if I just went like that, he'd just go through a wall. Yeah, yeah. He feels... He's like, yeah,

he's like soft like the clay that he molded with his daughter in this movie. I mean, the problem is the character's kind of supposed to be a piece of shit. But you're ultimately supposed to like... That's, okay.

What you're about to touch on is what i need to understand the movie kind of falls apart is he what what are we supposed to feel towards him you think likable i think i don't know i think in nancy's mind here's what i think i think in nancy's mind when she's writing the script yeah what do you think her vision was for it that final speech is jerry mcguire interrupting the women's group stop and winning her back right and winning the audience okay you know what this guy's fucked up like jerry mcguire is likable yes like you know in the movie from the beginning tom cruise master jerry mcguire's not about a guy who cheats on his wife otherwise doesn't really do anything in the movie just sort of sits in a kitchen like he yeah he's not giving us anything it also this is complicated to talk

about because i think oh my god uh it feels complicated to talk about because also not only is he sort of like he's not he's not uh yeah he's not likable he feels very inauthentic and then he's also complaining about how he's tired a lot and i think that the role of a working mother is probably the most exhausting job of all time whereas they live in paradise and the daughter goes his daughter is adorable and and like lovely and easy like very sophisticated not like a daddy like she was not that at all she's like daddy can i have a cookie she's was not that at all she's like daddy can I have a cookie she's just so

she's freaking intelligent easy yeah she's like an easy kid I'm just like why is this guy so fucking tired he's tired his wife works so hard and Anna Hathaway's like

still dropping the kid off at school she's still dropping the kid off at school she's still getting her hands dirty with the parenting stuff absolutely this guy's like a loser

he's a loser he's a fucking loser he's a huge loser look he is the definition of a loser he can's a fucking loser. He's a huge loser. He is the definition of a loser. He can't handle that his wife has a job. That seems to be the only conflict is that his wife has a job. It weighs on him existentially.

Figure it out. She's busy. If my wife decided to go found a fucking company that grew in 18 months, she has 200 employees. Fucking suck your own dick, sir. You own a bad store. found a fucking company that grew in 18 months. Yes. She has 200 employees. Yes. Fucking suck your own dick, sir. You own a big year in house.

But also halfway through the bullshit, You own a brownstone. she tries to fuck him and he says no. Oh, he's, he was like, I'm tired. Let's do it tomorrow.

I was like, you're tired? She just got home from running a company. You're married to an athlete. You have everything. God, and he's got, but here's the the thing and i was saying this to you off mic yeah uh before we uh got in here um late in the movie when we're jumping all over who cares late in the movie when um she's crying over like should i leave him she's like

he would just get remarried like right away and maybe i never would and i was like fuck she's probably right because she's like the fuck, she's probably right. Cause she's like the, you know, she's intimidating. And he's just this doofus that's sealed. Just like, you know, roll around the streets of Fort Greene like a piece of garbage. And someone will just pick him up. Yeah, they'll be like, give him. Give me, give me, give me.

He's a daddy. Give me that daddy. We have to circle back around to that. Cause that's the scene where it becomes like a masterpiece. He's just like a ball of flannel. Just like, you know, sitting on a sidewalk. It's always fall for him. Look, I don't, you know, we were talking before recording about how to approach this, right?

We were. We both, we're actors. We get paid to act on things. It never feels great to like just dunk on anybody but i will say in the most diplomatic way i can that this performance has the insincerity of a kid forced to apologize you mean at the end right like someone told him like go in there and tell you sorry tell her you're sorry for spilling the apple i felt like i lost you don't leave me please like yeah right right and and the problem is you're like is that supposed to be a quality of the character

or is it just- That's what's confusing. As I sort of feel watching it, that perhaps this guy who's like a bro-y comedy guy who writes his own stuff is a little embarrassed to be like- Vulnerable. The husband in a Nancy Meyers movie.

Yeah. Whereas like Adam Devine gets to play like the funny comic relief character. He seems a little embarrassed to have to be in this kind of movie playing this type of part where he doesn't get to be like goofy. What I don't understand though is why couldn't he have been goofy and lovable and zany. That's what you want. And that could be built into maybe something that she's attracted to, but also feels like his life is a little too simple

and hers is really complicated. This is the fix. That feels like a real relationship too. De Niro should be walking in there and it's like, right, he's having fun with the kid. They're like a little pair and they're like, you know, being goofy.

And she's missing out on it. Exactly. But also maybe resentful. Oh, he's a good dad. But also maybe a little resentful. Like, oh, he gets to be like Mr. Fun Guy and I yeah and I'm like

pulling my weight for the family I mean that to me I feel like you could easily build comedy into that role this character should be Paul Rudd knocked up

a hundred percent where she resents the fact that he gets to be like goofball and everyone loves him which is why that movie is good exactly

and you do love him and he is being shitty sometimes and he's fucking hot exactly and you do love him and he is being shitty sometimes and he's fucking hot and shit but you love him he's en fuego and they're both

mutually like Leslie Mann also is like she's like nightmarish quote unquote at times but also lovable

and so relatable and you're just like yeah and sexy and that speech she has where like you think you're not mean because you don't yell but this is mean it's like beautiful

I love that that scene is incredible that's what this relationship should be but the problem is that like he not only doesn't have chemistry with her he not only seems like he's embarrassed to be in the movie and can't conjure up any emotion other than tired which he doesn't even do with full commitment

that's the thing he's like I'm tired he's like well I said it he also's like, well, I said it. He also has no chemistry with the daughter, which is a problem. Because if he was so good with the kid, you could forgive a lot where you're like. That's what he should be though. And instead De Niro walks into this gorgeous house,

this gorgeous kitchen. And De Niro and the kid start having a pattern. De Niro and the kid are adorable. And he's like, how you doing? He's like, I'm tired. There's that one scene even where he has to say how good the Yankees are. Right.

And even that he doesn't nail. Right. He can't even banter about the Yankees with De Niro. And that's the Kobayashi Maru of this movie. Is that? Is it? It is. No, because, I mean, like, I love this film as the sort of, like, two people just get

to know each other. Here are two people at very different stages of their life. Here's, like, Robert De Niro, whoiro who like lived a very good conventional life very happily in a very sort of like contained by the book way never accomplishing anything that was like humongous although he still somehow was able to buy an incredible brownstone but he's also of the grateful era yes which is the biggest I think that's the biggest thing he brings to the table is like oh i like you used to just be satisfied and no one's satisfied anymore i think a lot about like my my grandfather right who like passed away shout him out lenny newman lenny newman was like a guy who like wanted to be in show business and was like you know like first generation like hungarian immigrant and he like

had a job as like i don't know like a delivery boy or something and like he told me this like a month before he died and i was like oh my whole life makes sense now but he was like supposed to deliver something to the paramount offices in new york where the hard rock cafe is now and like someone hadn't showed up that day and in like a fucking rick the intern turn of events they like let him be the assistant for this woman at Paramount. And he was like getting his foot in. He was like, I always wanted to be in show business. And then his like father died and his family didn't have insurance.

And he was like, oh, fuck, I need to learn insurance so I can take care of my like mom and our siblings. And then he became an insurance man and he did that for the rest of his life and he never liked it and he was like successful he made money and he had kids but he just like ended up his whole career being like well i didn't have i couldn't pursue this other thing what do you think you do the job that you're supposed to do i make a phone book for like 80 years you know what i provide for my family in the same factory that is now incredible irony to this i mean that to me was an unnecessary layer, but it was cute.

It was cute. I like that they hold, he's been holding that back. He doesn't mention it to anyone. Because he doesn't want to make a big deal out of anything. He's a little embarrassed about it, maybe. I used to work right over there. He's kind of a nerd. His entire life he's known about, you do the things you're supposed to do. You're a good husband, you work your job, and then now he's retired and his

wife is dead and he has no life anymore. He, like, doesn't know who he is anymore. Yeah. So he gets this internship, which for him, it's like, well, kind of amusing. It's a thing to get out of the house. And very quickly, I think what you realize at the end of the movie, what he sees is this is a generation that's allowed to pursue big ambitions. Right. Without being, like, monsters.

Right, right. But it's also a generation where he walks in and everyone is so stressed out and you can tell that he is like, whatever is stressing you out is not stressful. Because every time anyone's in a crisis, he's just like, that's okay. How about you do this?

And they're like, oh, okay. Oh, I guess so. He never gets mad. He's of a grateful generation. He's of a like, you just do the work generation. You just do the thing. Don't get upset. Even when he discovers that Anne Hathaway's driver is like drunk yeah he's like hey get out of here buddy

you know like that's like he was very much like i've seen this before happens all the time but you gotta go home right but he's just like the most on top of it guy in the world and he sees how to like just fix everyone's problems but it does speak to this like generation divide where it's like we're living the exact lives we want to live which is fucking terrifying and it stresses us out all the time yes and also anxiety is trendy yep and you see it in this movie it's part of the culture is like you ride a bike and you have a big open office in brooklyn and you just are constantly anxious and you give into your anxiety in this way that feels very uh yeah i'm not saying that if you have anxiety that it is because it's a trend i'm shaming anxiety jamie

i was like oh no no you're right though but it's true it's like and he's kind of like why is everyone flipping out all the time right right okay right and like the shittier version of this movie is or the shittier version of this character i, or the shittier version of this character, I'd say, is the guy who's just like super repressed, never like looked in himself. And it's just like, you don't complain about things. Yeah. But then is like a horrible drunk, you know, or whatever it is. Right, right, right. And this is a guy who's somehow just like perfectly balanced, just like lived his little life.

But I think he sees this thing in her words, like this is incredible, what she's accomplished, what she's done, what she can do in this this modern era the way technology has sped all these things up but there's also this other element of like you know this is a movie that makes me get like so much residual stress about like um i'm at the point now where like if a phone goes off in a movie i get like an anxiety ting where i'm just like text i don't want to check it's an email i don't want to check even if it's for a character here's a guy who just like sits down and talks to people and it's like, okay, what's the problem?

You know, like he only deals with like the thing that's like right in front of him. Like I'm going to go downstairs talk to this driver. The other thing I really appreciated, I love that he had a son.

He has a son who lives in San Diego. I really love that Nancy Meyers didn't have him have a daughter. Yep, sure. And that he, it's not that storyline of like you remind him have a daughter. Yep, sure. And that he, it's not that storyline of like, you remind me of my daughter.

Like, I like that it's like, no, he just like thinks this woman's really amazing and like not in a sexual way. He thinks she's a badass, as she says. He's just like very impressed with her as a person.

Right. And that he doesn't become a father figure to her. Like it varies distinctly and specifically as a friendship. It is, they're just friends, which is so special.

I love that he didn't talk down to her or try to help her in ways that are vaguely inappropriate. Not sexually, but just like you're overstepping. He knows kind of not to do that. He really has a great grasp on boundaries. His big moment at the end of the movie is finally being like, look, you don't need a CEO. Which, like that's it and we build up to that right he needs a whole

movie to kind of like a movie to get to that place where he feels comfortable talking to her like that because she is the boss and he understands like how the hierarchy of a company breaks down he's like i am the intern he's an intern i am just the intern even though i have so much more experience yes right do you think she's gonna hire him at the end of the movie? He's not going to be an intern forever, right? Oh, he's definitely... I think that if there were a sequel, it would start with him. He works there now.

It'd be called The Vice President. Right. You were saying, you were watching with Hummel Bragg, your girlfriend, Joanna. Yeah, that's true. And the whole movie, she was like, why isn't he the intern? Why isn't he the intern? No, the CEO. Why isn't he the CEO?

She kept being like... She had seen it, I think. It was just like, he becomes the CEO at the end, right? And I was like, I don't think so. It's one of those implied endings, which I'm actually fine with. Sure, sure. It's kind of like

choose your own adventure. He's sort of the informal kind of sounding board. It's very like, we see where this is going. Right, right, right. Yeah, you know, but I think

it feels like you're watching the movie and you're like, oh, fuck, is that the thing they're setting up to make it like super neat and tidy? But that would kind of be a bummer ending.

It would. It would. It would be too obvious. And it would be, like you say, the dynamic would suddenly be shifted in a way that doesn't make sense. Like he's her friend. Right. Forced and foremost. He shouldn't be the number one of the company.

No. He wants her to be number one. Right. He gets it. She's number one. She's a badass. Even if it would help her if he was the CEO. No, he can like break into homes for her.

He's like a fixer. She's the number one. She's the one and only. Right. Yeah, and he really believes in that. And that he like has... God, this fucking character. He's getting worked up. But this thing, I mean, this scene in the hotel room, right? So the movie's building up to

this thing. He starts taking on more and more responsibilities. There's this sort of fake out where she gets freaked out by the fact that he's asking her so much. Right. Which I think speaks to the generation divide where it's like he calls him too observant because she's in the back seat emailing like six different people seven different things at the same time and the idea of someone like asking her about herself or noticing things is like that's creepy you're like why is someone paying attention to someone else's life that's not what people do anymore and so she sort of like looks the gift horse in the mouth and then like immediately goes and apologizes to him and is like, this is my own shit.

Right. Like, you're incredible. And he's just like, that's okay. Yeah. You want some coffees? He's like, please, don't say another word. No problem. Yeah.

But as they push the CEO thing on her, she like carries him with her as her like. As her totem. Her like teddy bear into this like meeting with the CEO and then you know. This is the moment where I was like fuck is this movie about to fall apart. The fire alarm goes off. Sure. He calls

her to say did you catch that which is adorable. He wants to make sure that she's not sleeping through the fire alarm. Right. They meet outside wearing their robes. Then she goes like, hey, you want to see my room? Oh, that's nice. I mean, do you want to come in? And I go like, fuck.

Is this going to be a scene where she like confuses her emotions for him? Tries to kiss him. Oh my god. That would be chilling. No. Is this a scene where they strategize about how he's going to become the CEO? Like, what is the relationship going to turn into at this point? And instead, it just becomes this insanely honest conversation.

Right. Where he has now seen Anders Holm in the van kissing the woman. Yeah. Because he was also a babysitter in addition to every other thing. Sure, he drove the kid to Pearl Gardens. He's doing her life. Yeah, birthday. It's been weighing on him.

That scene's pretty funny Where everyone's commenting On his complexion Yeah He's like I'm fine I'm fine I'm fine And she says

He's cheating on me And he says How do you know And you're like Is this gonna be a blow up You know this too Yeah Is this gonna be a fight

This piece of shit He turns into James Caan In the Godfather Yeah No But he Like she starts doing Sort of the Helen Hunt speech from What Women Want, where it's like, I get it.

Like, it's threatening to like, you know, it's the textbook thing. You lash out. And like, I wanted to believe it was over. I want to believe it's just a thing. We can work past this. And like, he shuts her down. And it's like, I can't believe I'm going to sound like the feminist here. But like, fuck that. You're allowed to have a job you're allowed to have a job and you're an incredible

mother and you're a deeply impressive person and no one should shame you into feeling like you're doing something wrong by being successful what he doesn't say and should say is like also this guy is no good yeah yeah he is pond scum like i've hated him from the beginning right i've got an eye for losers i saw the play-doh the cake that he made out of play-doh not good but then hathaway has this moment that just like shook me to my core both times i have watched it where she threw tears just goes like you know the speech you were saying where it's like you know he'll marry someone else and my daughter will love him and he'll be happy and I'm gonna end up buried alone

and he's like that's not true they have the conversation about burial plots right and she goes like you can be with me my wife's over there in Greenwood she says this is what crushes me you and I both know that I'm not easy sure yeah this moment of her being like I have

worked so hard to get to this moment i'm not going to give this up and this feeling that i think is really human and very specific of like i'm difficult sure so i don't deserve x like and and what makes me think this will happen a second time especially now if a guy has to enter at the ground floor where i'm already this consumed by my work i already have a kid right like what's the chance i can replicate this isn't it better to stay in this loveless marriage just because i don't want to feel like i fucked this up well that's also interesting that this that this speech was included in this movie because i also feel like nancy meyer's movies are a lot of times about that like second chance that a woman gets,

like especially in Something's Gotta Give. Is that right? Yes. That's the name of the movie? Absolutely. In Something's Gotta Give, it's all about like women do kind of get a second wind in life. And like she's kind of, I want to say maybe the only like filmmaker I know who portrays that women actually do like, it's not over for us.

Right. They exist post 50 or whatever. Yeah, exactly. maker i know who portrays that women actually do like it's not over for us right they get divorced yeah exactly and then you can like be sexual and like have this really great like fantasy life at any age and people will be attracted to you and you're not just like this washed up old hag so anyways it's kind of i feel like the speech in this movie is like a precursor almost like an ominous precursor to like well actually if you break up with him maybe you're just gonna be a sad divorce lady no but if you break up with him the opposite that you're gonna break

up with him and then like maybe actually it's gonna be really great for you that's what she should do it's a wink to where her other movies head you're right that's a good point because this is the first movie of hers in a while where like it's like a younger person I guess probably since

Helen Hunt right because Helen Hunt's probably around 40 yeah somewhere around there these two characters feel like very much

of a piece to me yeah you want her to end up dumping Anders home because absolutely oh wait I forgot the holiday

yes oh yeah the holiday I love that movie it's one of those things where it's like you're watching it and you're going like, okay, so what's the outcome I want here? Because I obviously don't want her to be with him and I want her to remain the CEO,

but her life's going to be really difficult if she makes those two decisions. If she makes both of them. Not in a bad way, but it's just like she's— She can afford a nanny. She can. Bye, Anders. She can. He's going to be on the street

he doesn't have any money that's the thing why is he he's being difficult yeah right he's not considering that he has no source of income outside of her

where's the bank income from here you know like he's going to need to well he was so much more successful he was a successful before we got together she's just being nice

you know how often he wasn't successful I read the original shooting script. He sucked. There's a scene of him being bad at stockbroking or whatever he was.

The poop factory. Yeah, right. I, at least once a day, think to myself, you know what my greatest career ambition would be?

What? That I marry someone who has that good of a career. Wait, let's throw to Ram now. We should, before we forget. Oh, let's do that. Because we're talking about their fabulous home and life.

Yes, their fabulous home. Romley Newman, my longtime sister, who's also a chef, does a segment every episode where she reviews the Kitchen and Nancy Meyers movies. So here reporting now, live, our special correspondent Romley Newman with her Kitchen Corner.

And this one features a bomb chef. Big twist. Welcome to Romley's kitchen corner and here is your host miss romley newman oh my god oh my god i did not see you there uh well welcome to my kitchen and i'm going to talk about the kitchen in the intern which is a kitchen i spent much time of my childhood in. One of my friends, this is her kitchen. And nothing in my life has brought me more joy than the fact that a kitchen that I've eaten in and cooked in is in a Nancy Meyers movie. But this kitchen's great. This kitchen is very Brooklyn townhouse. It's very well designed. I would say it's more I think a lot of Nancy's

other kitchens seem like sets and like they're perfect sets and they look great but this actually looks like a kitchen in a very well designed house. There's that amazing fireplace, all the original molding, beautiful floors and you know the funny thing

is they actually, my friend's kitchen is unbelievable. And they kind of tore it apart. And Nancy, of course, totally redesigned the kitchen for this movie. She made a lot of changes, which is interesting. She changed the stove. She completely reworked the island. And it's still beautiful. I'm partial to it because I know it. But I also think it's a really chic, elegant kitchen. And it's very beautiful. I'm partial to it because I know it.

But I also think it's a really chic, elegant kitchen. And it's very New York, too. So I'm a big fan. So it turns out the brownstone in this movie is one of her high school friends' brownstones. Wow. So she's like cooked meals in that kitchen. Wow. And she was the girl who would cook for other girls in high school.

It's a nice kitchen. Yeah. It's a bombshell, right, Jamie? That is. Stunned. That is a big, big piece of information for me. Huge. Yes, it's a beautiful life.

It's Romilly's dream life that Anne Hathaway has. Right. And I would give up anything to be married to Anne Hathaway in this movie and be like, oh, cool. I just get to be a dad all the time. But would you be married to Anders Holm? No, I wouldn't be married to Anders Holm. I know, I'm just asking.

No, the point is I would— In this devil's bargain, like, what if it's like you get the life, but you have to be married to Anders Holm instead of Anne Hathaway? But if Anders Holm— I know who's making the money. I get it. No, and also if he was that wonderful a person. Like, that's the point.

I would—so not only would I not feel emasculated by being the house husband I would feel empowered if I was like I don't have to have a career anymore thank fucking god I'm just gonna try

to raise a child well in this broken world and also he's someone who had a career so like if you know it got to a point where maybe something happened with her business

it went south on some level he would figure it out he's not like worthless no he has like skills. He just wants to be a great dad. Form some hobbies.

I don't know. Absolutely. Figure something out. It's a great life. Yeah. And the fact that it's like another parent at the school is just sloppy. It is. Yeah.

It is sloppy. That's the thing. It's a little gross. Does she ask who is she? I feel like at no point. She says it's a mom at Paige's school. I think she knows it's a mom. I think she knows the name because she read the text. Oh, right who is, who is she? I feel like at no point. She says it's a mom at Paige's school. I think she knows

it's a mom. Because she read the text. Oh, right, right, right. But it's, yeah, that's creepy to date another mom. That sucks. You're muddying

the school waters here. And Jules goes to the school. It's not like Jules is completely cut off from that side of, she knows the moms. She's talking to them. Yeah, it's too much.

It's too incestuous. Not cool. I hate it. And it sucks because it's too much it's too incestuous I hate it and it sucks because it's like the movie ends very abruptly where he comes and gives this

very unconvincing speech to win her back to be like I get it I was ashamed I want to be here for you you cannot hire that CEO and I think you're supposed

to view that as a victory like she can't have it all that was the thing that really bummed me out about this movie I really I really the whole the out about this movie. I really, I really, the whole,

the whole scene and she's, I thought Anne Hathaway seemed really like touched by the speech. The disparity between when they're cutting between the coverage

of the two close-ups. She's so in it. It's incredible. She's so in it. She's so goodness and I also feel like And he's just like mumbling like he's reading

from like a piece of paper when he goes there's a moment where actually two moments he gives two kind of like odd platonic hugs yes twice yeah twice and both times as he goes over her shoulder he like closes his eyes and he's like

like get in here you like that kind of hug they have like no chemistry I suppose to like if you were really hugging your wife, you'd be like sobbing over their shoulder. Yeah, there's such a disconnect. And she was sobbing. She was fully in it. Like you say, she's in it.

This is one of those performances where just like, I picture they call cut and he goes over to like a grip and he's like, this character, such a fucking pussy, huh? Like you picture him making fun of the character he's playing. Maybe he's nice. character such a fucking pussy huh like you picture him making fun of the character he's playing maybe he's nice I don't know

I don't know I have no idea I think he's horrible in this movie and if he had any good qualities up until this point if he sold the shit

out of this monologue where you actually believed he showed remorse and change but it ends up making the movie feel like like Jason's hand

coming out of the grave at the end of the Friday the 13th movie. You can't be rid of him. I will say. Yeah, it doesn't. It feels like, what's the word? It almost felt like meta or something. It felt like a different movie.

That's a great way to describe it. It felt like it's like a campy movie where he was just very like schmackty. Right. And you're like, this is, I guess, the compromise she makes in her life. She didn't compromise on the business but she's gonna be stuck with this guy yeah

she as I've mentioned in previous episodes she hates sad ending yes she said this like she just can't watch anything with a sad ending so maybe she's just like

I can't end the movie that way yeah it's too sad she cast the guy wrong but right maybe she just would not allow a divorce to be

yeah I get I don't know I don't I mean that's the only defense I got for you it's so weird that she cast it's also just weird should've went to jail wrong but right maybe she just would not allow a divorce to be yeah i get i don't know i don't i mean that's the only defense i got for you it's so weird that she cast it's also just weird should have went to jail right to jail send him to jail yeah she has like a go to jail card yep i don't know where he just is now in jail he gets carried off in handcuffs yep ben you said you loved this

movie oh yeah so good now and you have been sort of like frustrated living in nancy meyer's world and i had had the same thing throughout my life being like i i can't deal with nancy meyer's movies and then when i watched this on a plane i was like oh fuck i think i kind of get it and then this series has been like going back re-watching them all and like understanding the value of what she does sure with this movie i've never seen it before and I totally get, I think at least, the Nancy Meyer sort of vibe and it's like all the sort of things you guys touched on. It's like

a nice hug of a movie. Absolutely. It's so delightful. I really love Robert De Niro's character. And again as a man who's trying to live in this world and navigate and be a better person it was like really enjoyable. I wish she could talk to you.

What's that? You could be like, hey, Ben, got some advice. Don't you want that to chat with him? Yes. That'd be nice. I want to be that kind of guy. You want to turn into a De Niro. I want to be like a good dude.

Yeah. I want to be like her, just divorcing that guy. Right. Yeah. Your mind is in there. I'm all for having the business and the kid ding dong ding dong ding dong i shudder to think but go ahead and answer the door hello uh jules jules i'm here here to talk to you i'm a good listener. Hey, it's the titular intern.

Ben the intern. Ben. I was going to struggle for your name. I'm sorry. I'm intern Ben. How are you doing, intern Ben? I'm doing all right. But more importantly, how are you doing, Jules?

Do you just call everyone Jules? Jules, I think you're a very special lady. Thank you. I don't think you should give up your business. That's me. I don't want to seem like the woke feminist here, Jules. You're very woke. Thank you. I don't think you should give up your business. That's me. I don't want to seem like the woke feminist here. You're very woke. Thank you, Ben.

I just want to create a safe space for you to be able to talk. Oh, an interesting like a talking space. Yeah, just talk quietly and breathe heavily. You are. Ben, are you picking that up? I mean, the mics are jumping. I'm getting it. Talk a little bit. I i mean i'm glad to know

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one of my favorite movies of all time. I think that's her crowning achievement. That movie, I could watch every day and not hate it. Yep. And the holiday is a close second. I really love the holiday. Which, this is something we've been asking guests,

which part of the holiday do you prefer? Do you like both parts? Oh, you mean London or Los Angeles? Right, I mean, I fully love London. Yes! Los Angeles is, you know... It's trickier. Well, Yes! Los Angeles is,

you know. It's trickier. Well, I just want things, I want things to get cuter with them faster. They don't, and they certainly don't.

It takes a long time. It takes them a while. She's stuck with Eli Wallach. And also, even at the end, you're like, dude, like,

is he into her? She's definitely into him. He's a little more into Scabby. Why is he like, not more into her? He likes soundtracks. He's like, do you want to hang out on New Year's? It's like, we should be fucking by now.

He's still doing the first date eight times. Come on, Jack. Grow up. He asked her if she wants to hang out on New Year's on New Year's. And he also asked her if she wants to hang out. She has no time to plan. When is she going to buy her dress? She has like five minutes.

He does make her fettuccine, Alfredo. He does make her the chini. I thought she made him the chini. No, he makes her the chini. It's the one thing he does. In his defense, he makes her. We are doing a Nancy podcast here. But she's the one who suggested the fettuccine.

She's like, how about a little fettuccine? That sounds like a great movie. She said that. Kate Winslet cooking fettuccine. She said it. I remember she's like, how about some Christmas fettuccine? Yes, yes, that is true. So it was her idea.

All right, well, full credit. I mean, no credit to Jack Black. I'm furious. Oh, oh, oh. Okay, I want to have one final thought. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

It's, I think, the scene where he's sort of finally trying to win her over. He gets her good soup. And that is such an interesting detail. Wait, what are we talking about? We're back to halfway. Oh, I love that scene. I feel like that's the nicest gesture.

He's like what a life coach should be. Soup, you gotta get a good broth. Bone broth, don't get me started. He's what a human should be. I watch this movie and I'm like that's a vision of society I could I could get down with

can I say that having soup in a car is stressful oh yes in a nice car too this is a nice car the sloshing

the sloshing of it all I do get stressed watching her try to drink it while texting while texting in the back seat it was

I was like we're asking for a disaster here. I want to shout out Rene Russo. Yeah, because she's great. I love seeing her. Talk about another like very elegant piece of like this is right after like Nightcrawler. So she's sort of been back a little bit. You know what I mean?

She's so great. Right. And the four movies. Yes. Another elegant piece of like less is more screamer in that scene where they're like let's just catch up on each other and she just very casually says I used to be sick I'm not any longer I found very affecting

you know like this notion of like everything they've lived through she's a classy lady she's a real classy lady and age appropriate for dinner he's like probably like

7 or 8 years older than her she's weirdly gone into that zone because wasn't she in not in Las Vegas she was in one of those movies is she

just getting started I think she's in yes she's now started to become the like if you have a movie with 80 year old actors yeah

you can hire 60 year old actors she's 65 she's 65 I'm pretty sure I'm going to I'm gonna start dating let's like guys in their 60s

in movies pretty soon pretty soon there's some like imaginary threshold yeah there is there's like two buckets

and you suddenly are moved from one to the next I think I've moved I think that they definitely cast me opposite a 60 year old as like the fun love interest and not the young fun

just the love interest the other phenomenon we've like no explanation The other phenomenon we've like... No explanation. The other phenomenon we've like pinpointed in doing this miniseries is the big movie star

has a significantly like generations younger best friend who's treated like their contemporary. Yes. So I feel like the other thing you could do

is be like Julia Roberts' childhood best friend in a movie. Right. Where it's like, see, they're the same. They went to high school together. Ask no more questions of this. I was a freshman when she was a senior.

Right. Only four years difference. I also want to shout out Rannells. I think Rannells rules in this. Because he's not a dick. That part should be a dick. You know, being like, hey, Jules. And instead, he's very understanding.

He's always on her side. That's the one... Maybe he's a little frustrated sometimes, but he's very professional. That's the one boy where I think she nailed the cast. She nailed it. And it's funny because he can be so big. And in this movie, he's just not big at all. Yeah, I think he's usually always pretty consistent, too.

Yeah. Yeah, I just like him a lot. Do you know he had not done a single piece of on-camera acting until Girls? He'd only been in theater. Right, which was like his big theater breakthrough with Book of Mormon and everything. And that was the first time he had ever been on camera. I didn't know that. It's crazy because he's like 40.

He's a lot older than he looks. Wait, he's 40? He's 40 years old? He's 40 years old. I know. And so he was already like 35 in Book of Mormon. He's playing like older than he looks. Wait, he's 40? He's 40 years old? He's 40 years old. I know. And so he was already like 35 in Book of Mormon. He's playing like 17 and you bought it. He has such good skin. He has amazing skin. Wow. He does have incredible skin.

But I was like, how did this guy not work? How did it take him that long? And then I found out he had a super prolific career as a voiceover actor from the time he was a teenager. He did like Yu-Gi-Oh and shit. He played Archie in a bunch of like Archie TV movies good cast do you know what andrew ralph's debut work as an actor was tell me he was one of the titular street sharks

i did know this he's one of the street he's streaks street sharks of the street sharks in the fallout of ninja turtles where everyone had to do like mutated animals co-opt another subculture. Street Sharks. They were like weird, like gangster, like denim vests. I'm trying to find you like a good picture of the street sharks. Oh, I have a pretty good one in my head. They were sort of greaser. I think you want to see these sharks.

Greaser sharks. They are. Yeah, that's exactly. They're all wearing little. He's the one given the. He's the blue one. The shark power salute. Yeah, the shark power salute shorts. He's the blue one. The Shark Power salute.

It's a very weird thing. Turn your phone off. I'm sorry. Good God. Andrew Rannells, the original Streaks. Yeah, I don't know. Is there anything else you want to say? I'll say, I mean, you guys are saying like, is someone got to give your favorite?

Yes. I mean, you're like a big, you know, I asked you to be on this because we saw you you were uh liking the nancy myers post on instagram and then i saw on your instagram that you were in new york and i was like oh that would be great um but i forgot to ask you what your sort of like lifelong relationship to her what's your nancy well um i'm trying to think so what women want yeah love that um love that movie. Wait, she did the remake? Yeah, Lindsay Lohan.

Loved it. Yeah, felt, it's, yeah. That's like 98. Yeah, it was great. What Women Want, I remember seeing in theaters. I did not like it. But then Something's Gotta Give and The Holiday both, I just remember being like just deeply enchanted with both of those.

And yeah, and then it's complicated i saw on christmas day with my parents when they were visiting new york hated it i mean like deeply deeply really just it's a movie that came at the wrong time i really didn't like it and i really there's so many elements that i was attracted to like she worked in a bakery and it's meryl streep and yeah and and she and her house is beautiful like there were just so many sort of aesthetic pieces that really lit a fire within me and then the rest of it I hated um but I when I hear her name I just I light up I really I'm always excited also I find it interesting like I was reading this article about her and they talk about how

like she actually does have a lot of box office success but it's like a slower burn as opposed to like she's not a big opening weekend right but it's so interesting to me because when her movies come out or movies like that come out i am clamoring yes to see them and i know other women like me that where they're like absolutely opening weekend that's what i'm seeing filling a void so i'm kind of like why are these things like why is it not more of a genre like why is it just her and Nora Ephron who are like the two female sort of like auteurs that we know

like what is that? Annie Fletcher who did the proposal and did a movie sorry who's the other one? Annie Fletcher who started out doing Step Up but then she did the proposal and then she did a movie I like a lot. 27 Dresses. She did that first.

Oh, I didn't know that. I love that movie. No, the movie I was going to say I really like that I think is sort of similar to this is The Guilt Trip. Oh, sure. The Rogan and Streisand. I think The Guilt Trip kind of fucks.

I haven't seen The Guilt Trip. In a way, it's a similar kind of fucks. It is a good title. It's a brilliant slam dunk from like half court, like Michael Jordan stretching all the way with his cartoon arm. It's very sold it in the room. You know what she did after that though? It was not sold. It was

shot with a different title. It was called My Mother's Curse. Stop. Yeah. And late in the game they were like. That sounds like a horror movie. Oh it's a road trip with a Jewish mother. It should be called The Guilt Trip. The Guilt Trip. Slam dunk. It's genius. But do you know what her movie after The Guilt Trip was? No. Something really bad. Hot Pursuit. The movie with Sofia Vergarailt Trip was no it was something really bad Hot Pursuit

the movie with Sofia Vergara and Reese Witherspoon they're in Hot Pursuit it was something it was an early movie we talked about this a thousand times

but David and I we're seeing that it got very bad reviews and we very defiantly kept on telling everyone we were going to see it together and have a good time and we still haven't seen it

I guess the only thing with who you're talking about Annie Fletcher Dan Flet um i mean you named some fantastic movies the thing is though with those movies i don't see those as clearly defined whereas nancy myers is like you know what you're getting like there's a vibe in the same kind of way right so i don't know yeah i just i just don't understand why it's not um it. I don't know why it's not more of a. Why she's not making a movie every two years. Yeah, it just doesn't make sense.

Like who is not like every woman I know is going to see those. I think it's part of like the box office or the way that studios look at things becoming so global. And these things like really just rarely translate overseas because they're so cultural. Yeah. Like there's, like, a Chinese remake of What Women Want, you know?

Right. You hear, like, there are big Bollywood remakes of, like, American rom-coms. Right, because there's just, like, dynamics and relationships that just don't.

They'll take the premise, but it's like, okay, here's, like, the Hindi version of, like, Pretty Woman. Right, whereas, like, action movies are, like, very universal.

Right. And it's this weird thing where, like where even a super profitable rom-com for them doesn't seem worth it anymore, which is really short-sighted. It's this bubble burst thing I think we see happening in the industry that's driving me crazy. This did okay overseas. It did pretty well. Yeah. It made like $200 million worldwide.

Crazy. It did fine. It cost $40? Yeah. I'm guessing it went a little over. Yeah, probably. over But you know The problem with the box office So we do this box office game Jamie

But we've done this box office It's the Hotel Transylvania 2 box office My other favorite movie of this game So you got Scorch Trials Open number one Three Transylvania's number one. Intern's number two.

Why are you going out of order? No, I just already said Transylvania. Yeah. Scorch Trials. And Intern's two? Yeah. Okay. Open to 17.

Right, which felt kind of low, but then it ended up at like 75. Yeah, it did great. Like she just like trucks along. People like slide into the theater at their own convenience. These movies probably do so fucking well on airplanes. Oh my God. On cable TV and on VOD and like, you know,

all of it. It's so funny. If something's got to give or the holiday or maybe even the intern, we're on an airplane and there were movies that I hadn't seen yet

that I should watch, I would still choose something's got to give. I don't know if you guys ever do that. I just want like the comfort of something I know versus I need something I know versus like I don't know if you guys ever do that. I just want the comfort of something I know versus

I need something I know. Versus like I still need to see the Florida project and every time if there's like a plane is not made for that. When Harry Met Sally

is on as well I'm like I'll just watch When Harry Met Sally. I don't want to concentrate too hard on a plane. I just want something I'm very familiar

with the beats of it and I know as I'm watching it what time is passing too so it's like when I'm done I'm like oh two hours of the flight and like I know as I'm watching it like what time is passing too so it's like when I'm done I'm like oh two hours of the flight is gone yes you know

I like that I guess the question right now like is we're talking about her future right as a filmmaker is Netflix really gonna like step up to the plate

and like kind of commit to saving the rom-com because they've had so much success with it recently Ann Fletcher's next movie is on Netflix really what's that Dumplin oh interesting

is that the Jennifer Aniston thing? I don't know. It's called Dumplin'. I think she's supposed to make the Enchanted sequel as well. She's in it. She's Aniston. Okay.

Yeah, I don't know. I just feel like they had a couple that were really fucking warmly received this year. Yeah. I feel like all of them are sort of teen skews. Yes. Not that that's bad.

I love teen comedies. Well, there was To All the Boys I Ever Loved Before. That was a good teen bad. I love teen comedies. Well, there was To All the Boys I Ever Loved Before. That was a good teen rom-com. I enjoyed that. And then there was Set It Up,

which was a 20-something young folk. I haven't seen that one. Oh, you should see it. It's not like great cinema, but it's pretty well written and they're so cute.

And it's also just like an oasis in a desert. You're just like, I need one of these movies where I just want people to be charming together. I just want people relating to each other. That's all I care about. I don't need anything else. Occasionally, I need a

horror movie. They will. I don't trust them yet for horror movies. Yeah, they're a little... I don't know. I know they're dabbling. What's your fave horror this year? This year? I don't know. Recent. Have you seen Halloween yet? No, I've heard mixed things. Interesting. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah but I haven't what's your fave horror this year this year I don't know recent have you seen Halloween yet no I've heard mixed things

interesting I haven't seen it yet yeah I haven't seen it my favorite one this year I really liked I think it was this year you mentioned Unsane I really loved Unsane

but I don't know Unsane is great that's a horror movie it's horror-y yeah I think that counts that's a great movie it was great

I love Unsane did you see Unsane I didn't I need to see it get yourself over to it you gotta see that I gotta get Unsane Claire Foy Claire Foy

she's kicking ass she's in everything taking names no I just I also I feel like because these movies are more affordable

and because I think they maybe work better for the Netflix model because they're such like comfort food movies. I would like to see them like step up to the plate and make these movies at a bigger budget with bigger movie stars and more consistently. It seems doable.

Get real directors and all of that. And she'll get you your stars, Nancy. Yeah. I want her to make another movie with some, you know, big stars. I love maybe Deadpool. Deadpool would be good. I don't know would he

he would know he was in a Nancy Meyers he would make jokes about the kitchens or whatever right I've been saying this entire miniseries

if I were fucking Jennifer Lawrence I would be calling Nancy Meyers nonstop and being like let's work together give me a movie where I can be like

fun again absolutely I got like so blown out of proportion it got too big call it fun again call it fun again call it fun again. Absolutely. I got like so blown out of proportion. It got too big. Call it fun again. Yeah. Call it fun again.

Call it fun again. Jennifer Lawrence is fun again. I, my dream both wet and dry is to just I love a dry dream.

I love a dry dream. A good, nice dry dream. Sandpapery dream. I would love, I mean, is for like to just stand in like a beautifully

tiled kitchen like, like staring out the window at my garden drinking some kind of like tea. Sure. In like a white, like a large white button down shirt. And like someone comes in and I'm like, oh, I'm a mess. Like that's all I want is to just shoot that scene. It doesn't even have to be in a movie. I just want to film that scene with Nancy Meyers directing me.

Do you have like a dream marginal conflict that your character is going through? I think that my, I think my character, that's a great question. She's definitely going through a divorce. Great friends with the guy still. Right, right, right.

Honestly. You gotta stay friends. And I think the conflict is, is maybe, yeah, maybe should we get divorced? So it's basically, it's complicated. Oh, it's a long separation.

Yeah. I'd be into her doing a movie like that. The long separation. A very long separation. Like, I want her to do that. They don't want to file the papers. The papers are not filed. Right.

They're like, and then they have sex, and they're like, oh, well, this is good, but then they get in some fight, and it's like, oh, it's this shit again. It is like a, it's like a married will they, it's this shit again. It's like a married will they won't they. Wait, that's like a good idea. That's kind of a great idea.

Oh yeah, I'm full of them. Jamie, we have like four a week until this episode's released if you want to go slide in the Reed Hastings DMs and pitch this before it becomes...

WGA or whatever. You might want to mail this to yourself tonight. Okay, no problem. I'm on it, you guys. I'm just saying. Just saying. We all get credit. Oh, yeah., you guys. I'm just saying. Just saying. We all get credit.

Oh, yeah. Okay, good. Yeah. Blank check pictures. Yeah. As long as you let our shingle stay on. Yeah. Please.

Yeah. I mean, there's no box. I mean, Everest and Black Mass. Those are the other two. Remember, we spent like 10 minutes making fun of this box office. I know. Yeah. It was a fun time.

We had a great time. I just think it's a lovely movie. It is. Yeah. It's nice. And it's nice that, like, you know, I remember. Yeah. It was a fun time. We had a great time. I just think it's a lovely movie. It is. Yeah. It's nice. And it's nice that like, you know, I remember just because once again, the scenes I was auditioning for and also the way they cut the trailer where it was a lot of like fish out of water.

He's old. Yeah. Look at these boys. They don't know anything kind of stuff. Her big speech, which I like ruined at the beginning of this movie where she says like went from guys like Harrison Ford and Jack Nicholson to this. And she wrote this part for Jack Nicholson right oh really yes which it wouldn't work no no i don't think it would work i think this is too creepy these are the two people who i enjoyed

nicholson but he's never gonna be like i'm a brooklyn guy right yeah married i loved my wife like you didn't have a wife get the fuck out out of here. You'll never have a wife. I love Michael Caine. I love Reese Witherspoon. I love Tina Fey. Michael Caine might be playing an English guy. Were they going to redo it for him? I would hate that.

I'd be like, you got... No. Lovely. He'd seem like Mr. Franchise. Hello. Hello. What a cool office. But the other thing is, I think the reason...

He's riding her bike. I'm so sorry. she does ride her bike oh she's on a bike again doesn't like wasting time doesn't like wasting energy the two things I think are harnessed really well in this movie

thing De Niro's the fucking best at is trying really hard to not show any emotion yes which he has to do over and over again as these failures

of 25 year olds are talking to him right and so often like that's used in the tough guy De Niro like he's trying not to show his rage he's trying not to get violent but he's just as effective bottling like

just sort of like a little sort of like morose loneliness. Or just sort of swallowing like a chuckle or whatever you know like the close up of him like after she's fallen asleep on the bed watching singing in the rain and crying to himself silently is like beautiful he's so good and his performance in this movie gets to me in the same way that the end of uh midnight run just destroys me yeah where it's like him

trying to not show that he's affected by having a good friendship you know like not trying to pretend he doesn't care but trying to not let himself break down crying. Right. And that's what he's best at. And the thing that works so well about Hathaway here is that it's like right after

I feel like everyone had started criticizing her for being like too perfect, too controlled, too theater kid, the backlash of the Oscars. Her first 10 minutes, she's kind of addressing

that perception of herself. I'm sorry sorry just to recap why did we dislike her so much what was the thing her speech was that the thing what was the movie I don't even remember

I always loved Dane Hathaway what was the movie that she won the Oscar for Les Mis people thought she was theater kitty I don't have anything further on this. She's like teacher's pet. She works too hard.

She like cares too much. She's just good. Yeah, exactly. And it's like she never like started a website where she like sold you know,

psychic powders or you know, got married on a plantation. And also, if you're a professional actor, what's bad about being a fucking theater kid? What else are you supposed to be?

This thing I hate about, like, why are you in a theater? It's embarrassing. You want to be, like, awkward, an awkward introvert? How dare she care about her career? It was kind of the Jennifer Lawrence thing. Jennifer Lawrence was out there and she was like, I'm just a fun person who's just, you know, blah. And Anne Hathaway felt fake,

quote unquote, or whatever. But I think that's who she genuinely is. I love her. When she does interviews, she's fucking amazing and she's really candid

and honest about stuff and where she places in the industry and all of that. She's a fucking great actor. Yeah. Great movie star. I think her run

that she's in the middle of in this movie, which is like, you know, The Dark Knight, Les Mis, Interstellar The Intern Colossal like these are all great performances and very different kinds of movies

like she's an exciting star she also does like yeah I mean she's always I feel like it's always Anne Hathaway but she chooses a bunch of different types of roles yeah and different kinds of filmmakers I've never watched a movie with her and been like oh if only Anne Hathaway wasn't the lead.

It's always like, no, she's just delightful to watch. She's almost always a great lead. She's a great lead. Yeah, and also, there's a kind of refreshing lack of vanity for someone who is so precise,

has this kind of figure skater artistry. Nancy's good at drawing the vulnerability out of the extras. Yeah, because I like that in the hotel room scene she like ugly cries. Yeah. And she gets embarrassed by the fact that

she's saying these things out loud, you know? That it's like this dark confession for her. And that CEO scene, the first time where Andrew Reynolds pitches it to her,

it's like her reckoning with her like cultural reputation where it's like, what's the problem? I'm successful. The business, we've exceeded our five-year plan in eight months why don't you want me to do this 18 months this stupid company has been around for and it looks like a fully fledged you know

this movie should have been called 18 months but but i feel like that was the anne hathaway thing where it's like okay she's like 32 she won an oscar and everyone's like she works too hard it's like what do you want from me you want me to be shittier yeah they want like yeah they want her to like fall down and like yeah you know yeah i just think she meshes with the character so well she's only 35 and also why yeah why like i think jennifer lawrence is amazing and it's like why can't there be jennifer lawrence andathaway? Like, I don't even understand. That doesn't happen. You're supposed to just,

like, you don't go like, it's just cool to not care. Like, I don't understand. Yeah. That's a bigger cultural thing. I could do 17 episodes on.

I could talk about it forever. I like that this is a movie about caring. We've talked about it. Yeah, we'll keep talking about it on this show. I like this is a movie about caring and I care about it a lot. I care about caring. And I care about Nancy.

And we're gonna have one more episode we're home again next week but we are done with Nancy for now I hope she makes another movie I hope we get to talk about her again someday

yeah and if she does we'll be there obviously we'll be there and Jamie you'll be there opening weekend I will be there yeah

Friday you sit there front row center Friday 7pm showing you know what I'm gonna put on the map there you won't be there on Friday. You'll be there at the premiere because you're going to be fucking in the movie, baby.

Oh, shit. You're going to be in the movie. That is my dream. The long filing. Make it happen. Crashing season three comes back early. Yes. 2019.

Yep, comes back. I have a date, but it might change. But right now it's January 27th. Winter. Sure. Okay. It's a winter. It's a winter. Winter is coming. Crashing is coming winter is coming crashing is coming um and you're what you're one of the best stand-ups working yes look up what your dates are and go yeah yeah

anything else you want to plug i have a book yeah hey about getting married right yeah it's called ridiculous and unfiltered guide to being a. And I stand by it very firmly. Amazing. That's it. I remember I, I think you probably don't remember this, but I was at Montreal the same year as you. But I was in the characters thing. Yeah, I do remember that. But I went to see the first like stand-up showcase where it was brutal.

Oh God, it was so bad. Where it was just like this this like uh it was like a death it was like in a huge arena i remember a massive the palais the yeah oh my god it was so big huge and everyone was like french canadian right and like the queen was there everyone was bombing and you came out and were just like you you had that like Olympic level concentration where I had like seen you like at bar shows and open mics and all of that. And I knew you were really good, you had great material and everything.

But like everyone was bombing and it was like the way that people talk about like the Bernie Mac Def Jam night where everyone was bombing and he just came out. I don't say that lightly. It's the greatest thing in the world. That is literally the nicest compliment I've ever received. I'm obsessed with that clip. I don't say that lightly. It's the greatest thing in the world. That is literally the nicest compliment I've ever received.

I'm obsessed with that clip. I don't know how Jamie I watch that all the time. I watch it all. It comes up in every writer's room I've ever been in. It's like the go-to. It's the best.

It's the best stand-up set of all time. Seinfeld was just talking about it in some interview I just read where he's like I just got obsessed with Bernie Mac and like watching

an old Bernie Mac clip. But this night was like that where it's like you gotta do like a tight five minutes in front of a brutal crowd who's already been watching for over an hour.

They've hated everyone and you came out and just seemed completely unfazed by it. I'm sure you were a nervous mess because I know what it actually feels like

to do stuff but it did not show at all. That's like very nice to hear. Wow, yeah, that was very nerve wracking. That was a terrible festival and then I had my show at that place the next day.

Oh, yours was there too? Yeah. Oh. And I had a bit that involved poster boards and they all fell down and the bit was ruined. Oh, no. And it literally was like the nightmare. Don't have bits with poster boards. Yeah, that was the end of me doing poster board bits.

What? I had a sequential poster board bit and after the second one, they all fell down and the bit was ruined. That's so shitty. And it was like, this is the nightmare of like you giving the presentation without your pants. Right. It was that.

Right. It was showing up to school naked. Did you put them back up? I did. And it was literally one of those things where like I then did the other two characters I had. Sure. And I, it was like a blur.

Like it felt like. Your brain turned off and went into like instinct mode. My heart just skipped a beat. Like I, like I know that that is such a visceral feeling. Oh God. I was like 22 years old. I was like, my goal is to get into this festival

by the time I'm 30. It was the first time I had auditioned. Somehow I got in. It made no fucking sense. I was the least qualified person in my group, but this one bit had killed it at auditions. And I was like, I don't know,

I guess I can do this if people like this bit so much. And then the bit self-destructed on stage. And I just like went into like a blur and then went backstage. And like I can barely remember like the following half an hour. And then at Montreal, did you do like the Hyatt party at night? Yes. Yeah.

That's the thing. At the festival, everybody goes back. Everyone's staying at the Hyatt. Well, not everybody's staying at the Hyatt. Most people are staying at the Hyatt. And then at the bar at the the festival, everybody goes back. Everyone's staying at the Hyatt. Well, not everybody's staying at the Hyatt. Most people are staying at the Hyatt. And then at the bar at the Hyatt, that's like a big circular bar. And there's an after party every night after all the shows. And it's such a high-pressure situation.

You are so acutely aware of where you stand in the order of importance of people in this room. And it's just such a hard thing to experience. But it's also kind of such a great equalizer because everyone stays there until 4 in the morning and gets so sloppy drunk. Thank God for alcohol. Right, it gets broken down. If that was a sober event, I mean

the awkwardness would be so palpable. After a certain point, the Hyatt bar just becomes like, oh, we're all lonely people who want people to laugh. And you start to see like agents getting really fucked up. And you're like, oh, you were the guys that like are supposed to keep it together. And I've never seen people more drunk. Yeah. It was kind of amazing.

Yeah. Anyway. Memories. Memories. It's fun to hear you talk about it. I cannot imagine doing. You know how much I hate any of that shit. I know.

I can't imagine doing any of it. I think you grow less tolerant of it as you keep going because you start to just have confidence in your ability. Yeah, right. Not that I like hanging out. I like being social, especially in comedy. It is sort of a naturally social job, I guess. Sure.

But it is nice to be like, you know, if I don't hang out tonight, it's okay. It's at the end of the world. Yes. Yes. At that point in time, though, when you're trying to get into that festival, the social thing is still like, it feels like the heat of the whole thing. Yeah, it's more yes yes at that point in time though when you're like trying to get into that festival the social thing is still like it feels like the key to the whole thing yeah it's more than half of it and i also like like my year was like my group was like fucking lauren lapkus rachel bloom wow uh sam richardson oh my god great group yeah it was like incredible people and i was like i'm a phony you're not a phony you You're not a phony. I felt like a phony at the time.

Anyway. You're just like a 22-year-old little bright-eyed pocket pal. Yeah, who had like one bit that kind of worked by accident. You know? Yeah, but I mean. It was like very odd. Yeah. Yeah, but you were there for a reason.

I guess. They saw something. They knew I'd do a podcast someday. They knew. They knew someday I'd talk about the intern. Yeah. We did great. We did. We did great. We did great. This was great, guys someday I'd talk about the intern. Yeah. We did great. We did.

We did great. This was great, guys. I had so much fun. Thank you for doing the show. So thrilled we got you on the show. Yep. Thank you so much

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Let me try that again. Heavy breathing is the key to De Niro, right? He does a little frowny face. Just do the frowny face. Yeah. How do I spend the rest of my days? You name it. Golf?

Books? Movies? Pinnacle? Tried yoga? Linda Cook? You're terrible at this. I can't. Fuck.

I'm going to do a Hathaway quote. I can't do it. Pinnacle really got me. Yeah. Pinnacle, I know. Linda Lavin just wants to climb like a tree. Peter and I used to do the Ne Niro impression on set all the time. But I feel like I can only do the one thing.

Wait, Peter who? Oh, Peter Perry. Right, and his De Niro is really good. Sure. But the impression we would do is just like imagining you were in a scene with De Niro or like on set with De Niro. And we'd like walk around and he'd go, I'm in this movie. You think he did that on the internet? Those cameras are filming me.

Oh, my God. I was like, all right, come on. Just do something. You do De Niro. I don't fucking care. Do whatever you want. I didn't get the, like, humor. And it felt like, or even just, like,

the repetitive nature of aspects of her filmmaking. Right. And like the kitchen. Sure. Sure. Sure. But like just, there's this like tone that I finally got with seeing this,

like her, her. Uvra. Her muvra. That's the word we've been looking for. We just, we're going to save a lot of time going forward. There it is.