Blank Check with Griffin & David - The Second Annual Blank Check Awards with Joe Reid

Episode Date: February 17, 2017

On this week's special episode, Griffin and David are once again joined by Joe Reid (The Decider) to present their personal nominations for the upcoming 89th Academy Awards. This roundtable discussion looks to all the major categories and offers engaging criticism, as well as, references deep cut cinema from 2016 you may have missed. With the “Blankies”, some winners are picked, Oscar snubs deservingly defended, but AGAIN as always most of the personal grudges continue.

And now, pre-recorded from a closet at UCB Studios in New York City, it's the second annual Blank Check Awards! Wow. Here are your hosts, the two friends! And why don't you put a hashtag in front of that? David Sims and Griffin Newman! Thank you! Oh, hi everybody! That guy from the voiceovers. Oh, hi, everybody.

That guy from the voiceovers. Hi, thank you, voiceover guy. What's his name? He died. Oh, fuck. What's his name? Don LaFontaine. There you go. It's me, the ghost of Don LaFontaine.

Yeah. My unfinished business is done. I return now to the netherworld. Oh, thank you, Don. Bye, Don. He's going into the netherworld. Oh you Don bye Don he's going into the netherworld oh bye Don is being sucked down into hell weird to know that the netherworld is where he belongs

yeah I guess we finally got an answer you know when we started this podcast we said we were going to answer what happens when we die well originally it was who killed Hayman Lee I don't know who that is from Serial oh sure right yes

and we answered that within one episode and since then we've been trying to answer what happens after death I don't know who that is. From Serial. Oh, sure. Right. Yes. And we answered that within one episode. Yeah. Since then, we've been trying to answer what happens after death. Apparently, you have a list of unfinished business, and when you finish it, it's tucked down to another one. If you're Don LaFontaine, that's actually all we know. That's true. Might be different if you're someone else.

We might need a larger case study. A larger sample size. Don LaFontaine might have some dark shit in his past. We don't know. He does, definitely. He did the voiceover for Daddy Day Camp. Oh. All right.

Welcome to the blankies. Cuba the voiceover for Daddy Day Camp. Oh. All right. Welcome to the blankies. Cuba Gooding Jr. Daddy Day Camp. He's in Daddy Day Camp? Cuba Gooding? Yeah, he replaced Eddie Murphy. God, that guy had a real long, like, valley. It's a deep, it was like a Grand Canyon.

So this is that tradition where the blank check awards always start. With the discussion of Cuba Gunning Jr.'s mid-2000s career. An adoring crowd they talk about. Cuba Gunning Jr.'s definitely announced the Oscar nominations, right? That feels... No? Nope. I mean, that feels like an easy

choice. Because they had women for so many of them. Right. It was such a tradition to have a previously Oscar- Oscar nominated woman. But I mean, he's just like, because it's always someone where you're like, it's like Mira Sorvino. It's been Mira Sorvino twice. Yeah, where you're just like,

it's like, oh yeah, it's like someone who's an Oscar nominee, but can get up in the morning. She won. Isn't that busy. Wait, she won, as did Cuba. Yes. I remember Sigourney doing it. I'm just saying. I'm sorry remember Sigourney doing it. I'm just saying. I'm sorry, Sigourney doing it. He's never won. Rude.

I know. It is rude. Nominated twice in one year, has never won. Kathy Bates has done it a couple of times. Yeah. M.G. Harden. I mean, Salma. Obviously, we were just talking about Ms. Hayek.

But yeah, for always and forever, it was the president of the academy was male. Right. So they would match him up with a female. A sexy name. Yes, a sexy lady. Yeah. Or sometimes Denzel Washington. Right.

Yep. And now we're in the Cheryl Boone Isaacs regime. Yes. I love Cheryl Boone Isaacs. I do too. I do too. But it's like, oh, we get John Krasinski? Yeah.

Hey, man. He's swole. It seemed for a while that she was just like through the list of the famous Chris's, too, which was kind of funny. That's true. Are we doing Pinesworth and Pie? What if they did all the Hemsworths? Oh.

Including, I think there's like a fourth one out there. I think so, too. Yeah, get him. There's always going to be another Hemsworth. Which one do you like? I like the Westworld one. He's cute. You know, he's little.

I know. Have you seen him? He's little. Even watching the show, you kind of could tell he was little. Yeah, he carries himself differently. Shannon Woodward was sort of close to his height. He's also got a big-ass head. Chris Hemsworth is such an underrated actor.

I know. Liam is a big old man. Liam, I'm still like, I'm looking at the watch there. I'm like, come on, Liam, show me what you got. He has not shown me what he got. No, not yet. And what's like, come on, Liam, show me what you got. He is not showing me what he got. No, not yet. And what's the other one called? Liam, Chris, the other one,

Pudgy? Pudgy Hems. Mudface Hemsworth? Spanky? Luke! I googled Other Hemsworth. That's the first result. His Wikipedia. I call him Lil Hemsworth. Lil Hemi.

We have a guess. So, Producer Ben, can you drop in the montage of us placing ourselves in the big movies of 2016? No. Of course. And then, of course, Producer Ben is not here for this episode, so can you drop in audio of Producer Ben saying that he will edit in? Sure. I didn't do it,

but whatever. Here with us, a very special guest. You know him best from the first annual Blank Check Awards. That's right. And you'll know him going forward from the third annual Blank Check Awards. Mark it. Mark it, ladies and gentlemen, good friend of ours. We're going to be talking about... Split!

Yeah. I have a new number one, actually. Oh, already? Split got dethroned. What's your new number one? So fickle. Wick 2. Oh! That was not hard to predict. I've now seen five movies from 2017, baby, so I got a best picture slate for 2017 if

you want it. Joe Reed is here. A good friend, Joe Reed. Happy to be the David Niven of the blankies. Always. Yes. From Decider. Yes.

From our trivia team. Yeah. From the previous blankies. Always. Yes. From Decider. Yes. From our trivia team. Yeah. From the previous blank check. So this is just, you know, this is where we get, we give ourselves the blank check. Once a year, we get the check.

I think we get that check every week. I don't think so. Usually this show is tight, tight, tight. It's tight and we're just, we're doing what the man tells us to do. That's right. But then once a year, we get the blank check, and we go, what if we picked the awards?

Right. Which we all do every year anyway. That's right. And I've always done. That's true. Before we had any kind of a podcast. Or before we had any sort of friendship. Before I even had a computer, I did this.

Oh, man. As a lonely, Oscar-obsessed, late teenager. Before we had social acumen, we would pick the awards. Hey, I was always a very charming boy. It's adorable that you think I have social acumen now, by the way, so thank you. So, yeah, I mean, it's February. Oscar season is almost over, thank God. Yes, that's true.

The Oscars are coming up. And you say that when it's literally three more weeks of it left. God, Fucking hell. Kimmel is going to host a ceremony. He did an excellent job at the Emmys. I'm usually very tepid on Kimmel, but I will say I thought he was a pretty good Emmy host. Yeah, he was a good Emmy host.

What if one of the nominees catches on fire and then Kimmel comes out and he's like, I did it. It was a prank. You know what I'm saying? One of the presenters catches on fire and then it goes viral and then Kimmel comes out and goes. Kimmel, man, he's famous for so many things.

Yeah. Like that and mean tweets. Yeah. And that one time he was actually addicted to Jay Leno and it was great. Yeah. The one good thing he ever did. The one moment we all liked him. What's the over under on how many Matt Damon jokes

are going to be at this Oscars? 1,400. Matt Damon is a producer of Manchester by the Seas. He's going to literally fuck Matt Damon and there'll be a video of it. It'll be the peak, right? He's actually going to do it now. That'll be his version.

Affleck will do something. His version of the Crystal video will be he'll pick every sex scene Matt Damon has had in a movie and superimpose himself into it. Matt Damon had a lot of sex scenes. I don't feel like Matt Damon's a sex scene actor. That's a really good point, actually. I can't think of one. I'm racking my brains. I can't think of one, actually.

There's the bath scene in Talented Mr. Ripley. Right. And of course he watches Jude and Gwyneth have sex in Talented Mr. Ripley. How's the peepin'? How's the peepin'? The best line ever. How's the peepin', Tommy? How's the peepin'? The thing with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon now, not to take us on a tangent, but it feels like that friendship has become that kind of friendship where Ben's not friends with Matt's other friends.

Matt has lots of other friends. He's friends with Krasinski and he's friends with Kimmel and that whole. I feel like Matt's sort of like. Matt's a cool guy. He's got kids. He's got a nice life. He has his causes. I don't feel like Ben meshes like Matt's sort of like Matt's a cool guy, he's got kids, he's got a nice life, he like has his causes I don't feel like Ben like

meshes with Matt's other friends anymore I think he's that guy. Yeah, I mean what's weird is that Matt was gonna direct Manchester by the Sea and was he gonna star in it? Okay, so can I give my theory on this? Well first let's say because people are not gonna know the story

it was that he was gonna star in it, right? He got too busy, maybe with Jason Bourne, I can't remember with what. And so he said, like, Kenny, you know what? You should direct this, and Casey Affleck should be the star. Right? Krasinski and Damon have this weird friendship, right?

They wrote Promised Land together. Terrible movie. Damon was going to direct it. And then he dropped out. We've talked about this previously on the show. And Gussie V.S. came in, did him a solid, made a bad movie. Damon keeps on threatening to direct a movie and then dropping out. Right? Yeah. And there was another movie he was supposed to direct that now Gavin O'Connor just took over.

Gavin O'Connor. Man, the taker over Gavin O'Connor. He really is. I mean, talk. Yeah, this is the problem. I mean, well, okay. Go on. I'm not going to go on a Gavin O'Connor rant.

He had this idea with Krasinski. This is the story as they told it. And he went to Lonergan and said, hey, could we hire you to write this? Yeah, do you want to write this? Lonergan wrote it. He thought it was like, you know, for a higher job. Lonergan wrote it and killed two more kids. You know that, right? Oh, no. Because they said, like, he loses

his kid in a fire. When Lonergan wrote it, they were like, three kids? Are you sure, Kenny? And he was like, yeah. Yeah, it's three. he loses his kid in a fire when Loner can murder. They were like, three kids? Are you sure, Kenny? And he was like, yeah. Yeah, it's three. Got to do it. It's a deal breaker. Manchester spoilers.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot of spoilers in this episode. Yeah, that's true. Splits a sequel to Unbreakable. Jesus. One, two, three. Unbreakable.

I didn't even see that one coming. I didn't either. That's why I tried to do the countdown. I thought you'd do it. We're usually good at that. We are du even see that one coming. I didn't either. That's why I tried to do the countdown. I thought you'd do it. We're usually good at that. We are duly appointed federal marshals. We are duly appointed federal marshals. Go ahead.

What's your theory? Okay, so Damon's supposed to star in it, and he goes, I'm too busy. Too busy making a shitty fifth-born movie. Right, Lonergan, can you direct? And then Lonergan's like, okay, fine, I'll do that. And then he's like, too busy to act, and then can you get my buddy Casey to do it? Right?

Well, yeah, sure. I don't think Damon ever intended to star or direct that movie. You think it was like he was doing an intervention. For Lonergan, who was unhirable at that point. A lot of people have said that, that he was really trying to get Kenny back in the game. I think so. Kenny was lost in a fog after Margaret. Right.

Making the best film the last 10 years. He kind of parent trapped him. He was kind of like, oh, I'm making a movie. Could you just write a few lines for me? And then Kenny gets into it and he's like, hey, Kenny, what do you want to do? And I think fundamentally Casey Affleck is right for that role in a way that Matt Damon is not.

A hundred percent. Oh, yeah. I got so worked up I swallowed my own spit. I was going to say, though, like the Lonergan comeback, I feel like is a really underreported story of this Oscar season. And that like he really was, like you said, like it was unemployable. Like Margaret was such a high profile, you know. Yeah. Even as I thought it turned out fantastically.

But like who after that whole process was going to be like, I want to be in the Kenneth Lonergan business? That was the thing. Even after there was sort of the critical reevaluation of that movie and the Save Mark campaign and all of that, the production of the movie was such a nightmare that was like, who's going to give him money to do this? He ended up in a five-year lawsuit with the producers. It's true. And now he's all the way back. He's all the way back.

And the lawsuit's even settled. There's nothing better for the actual business of movie, or whatever, the art of movie making than having Kenneth Lonergan back. And making a movie that made good money, that was acquired by Amazon, but got a nice theatrical release, like a proper cinematics release, still not available on Amazon Prime, because they do it right. They give it six months or whatever. I agree.

Amazon's a great company. Everything they do is good. I fucking do not like Amazon in every respect, but I do like how they handle their right. They give it six months. I agree. Amazon's a great company. Everything they do is good. I fucking do not like Amazon in every respect, but I do like how they handle their movies and their TV. So let's say all of their media is really, really excellent, and also I just love that every morning I check the news and still nothing's come out about Jeff Bezos paying for the Dakota Pipeline or anything.

Tiptoe past that graveyard, my friend. You know what I'm saying? You know how every day there's a new company where it, like, paying for the Dakota Pipeline or anything. Tiptoe past that graveyard, my friend. You know what I'm saying? You know how every day there's, like, a new company where it's like, oh, fuck, okay, I'm not allowed to like that company anymore? Yeah. Every morning I wake up and I'm like, please no bad Amazon stuff. This is how I feel about Isabelle Huppert throughout this entire Oscar season. You're waiting for her to pull a Charlotte Ramble. Oh, don't say anything stupid.

No, no, Isabelle. You know she has some real bad opinions lurking in that French brain of hers. It's just like waiting to come out. Marianne Cotillard, she's just like, she just can't wait for someone to put a microphone in front of her face so she can say the moon lizards are doing something.

Mike was a goffine. Thank you. That's a joke for four people. All right. How are we going to do this? Okay. Do you want to do supporting actors first? Like classic Oscar style? I think we do supporting.

Classic Oscar style. So yeah, these are our picks. Five nominees per category. We'll discuss our nominees, and then each one of us will pick the winner. Okay. That's the rough format of this loose show that's mostly just us geeking out.

Exactly. Yes. I'll say this. I've been in almost every category. I've had like four out of five settled, and the fifth one I've been switching between a few positions. So I'm probably going to make like a shotgun decision. Yeah, I did that last year. Yeah, and it's going to be annoying.

I have at least one category where right now when I made my list, I have a list of six that I'm going to have to cut one live on air. Oh, just FYI, by the way, you cannot nominate Nocturnal Animal. Yeah, that's the rule. For any categories. That's the rule. Oh, glad. It is ineligible on the basis of sucking. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing.

I would love that if I was in charge of the jury. And it's like, academy juries reach a verdict, which is all films are eligible except for Nocturnal Animal. Because it was bad. As you guys know, as friends of mine, long-time friends of mine, close friends of mine. You like Michael S. I like Michael S. Sure. Oh, sure. No, no, I wasn't going to say that. I mean, look, I like Michael S. That wouldn't even be my favorite Michael S. performance of the year. This is the thing.

We've nominated him for two Oscars now for two of his worst performances. It's kind of bizarre. It's like Tucci times two. It is true. I don't think Nocturnal is one of his worst performances. I agree. I think he's good, but it's not what it is. Revolutionary Road definitely is. You're right. He's fine in it, but it wouldn't make my top

15 Michael Shannon performances. I will say, for Blankie's purposes, he is presenting our Best Supporting Actress award because he is Griffin's winner last year. For 99 Homes? No, for The Night Before. Sorry, sorry, year. For 99 Homes? No, for the night before. Sorry, sorry. I forgot.

He is presenting. I can't remember who my winner was last year. I'm Michael Shanahan. I'm presenting the nominees. Is he wearing his Hawaiian shirt? Do you have shorts on? I'm not supporting him. Yeah.

All right. He's wearing a Hawaiian shirt. What I was going to say is, as you guys know, my catchphrase, which has been trademarked for a long time is everything is terrible everyone's the worst right yeah great catchphrase saw nocturnal animals coming into its right time right now i've been using it less because it now it feels kind of hack yeah

um but uh saw nocturnal animals and i was just like so what's the it's just everything's terrible everyone's the worst like the end of that movie you're just like so the whole point is just fuck everybody yeah people are bad yeah great how creative the whole point is just fuck everybody fuck everything? Great. How creative. The other point is Jake Gyllenhaal isn't right for every role. Yeah that's a good point.

And three comedy points. Okay so Who was my supporting actor winner last? Mine was Nicholas Holt I remember that and it was a good pick. That was a cool pick.

It was a good pick. Okay so this is Nicholas Holt presenting with Michael Shannon and your winner was Who the fuck would my winner have been? Hello I'm Nicholas Holt Holt presenting with Michael Shannon. With Michael Shannon. I'm trying to remember who the fuck would my winner have been. Hello, I'm Nicholas Holt.

Oh, I'm Michael Shannon. I'm literally just sort of running down the list. Rylance? Obviously. You really loved Rylance. Yeah, there we go. Jesus, David. I'm Michael Rylance.

I'm Nicholas Holt. All right, go ahead. Okay, best supporting actress. I'm Michael Rolland. I'm Nicholas O. All right, go ahead. Okay, best supporting actress. We do each of us names their five, right? Yeah. Okay. Boy, I'm going to have to make an under the gun decision.

Okay, ready? Here we go. All right, go ahead. Michelle Williams for Manchester by the Sea. Good performance. Very good performance. In the least surprising Griffin nomination of all time, Elle Fanning for 20th Century Women. Uh-huh.

She is good. In the second least surprising Griffin nomination of all time, Kate McKinnon for Ghostbusters. Yeah, she's good too. Yeah. She's actually a tough miss for me. Yeah. Lily Gladstone for Certain Women.

That's a good one. And oh boy, oh boy oh boy uh oh who's my fifth gonna be uh huh Janelle Monáe for Moonlight for Moonlight

not for Hidden Figure that's a really good pick I saw Moonlight again last night and her performance like leapt up the charts for me after seeing it a second time

it is almost as good as Mahershala Ali's in terms of like impact you know versus minutes you know like

you really feel her character even though she's in it for what, probably 10 minutes. She has two really signature scenes that jumped out at me, which is one of which was when Mahershala is giving the answering the kids question when he says, what's a faggot? And he says, that's a that's a thing that people call gay people. And then he goes, I suppose you could. And she just shakes his head like not the time she gets a nomination for me almost exclusively for that movie

I saw the movie three times right and I saw it the third time last week and the first two times I kept on being like god this is such a good performance she's clearly like such a fucking star to watch right like just hit the ground running she's gonna have an amazing film career I wish there was She's clearly like such a fucking star to watch, right? Yeah. Like just hit the ground running. Yeah. She's going to have an amazing film career.

Yeah. I wish there was a little more screen time because I feel like she'd be one of my contenders. And watching it the third time, I was like, what are these arbitrary rules I'm setting up? No, no, no. Who cares? She doesn't have enough screen time. You're the boss. Right.

I'm the boss. Right. And I just think like how much she makes out of- We can't do this much conversation about it. Who is your miss? Who am I? I'd say I have three close misses, okay? It was sort of between Naomi Harris and Janelle Monáe for who got my moonlight slot. I definitely take Monáe over Harris.

I think Harris is fine. I think she's gotten a little bit more of a not that great in this great movie conversation than maybe I would have. I think she's good in the movie. It's an Oscar-y performance. That's what I'd say. I think she's very good in the movie. I think it's the most traditionally Oscar-y performance and the most actor-y performance in a movie where everyone else is very naturalistic. That's fine. But she's got the craziest arc to play.

Right. Exactly. It's bigger. But that's authentic. I'll say Lorde Dern in Certain Women, right outside my five. I think she's very underrated in that one. Everyone is good in Certain Women. That's a fantastic one. Tyree Kim for The Handmaiden. Yep. Yeah. Very close for me.

My problem with The Handmaiden girls is they're sort of fudgy category. Because you know each of them kind of has one of the three acts to themselves. So it's just tough. But they're all good. I agree. I nominated neither of them even though both of them

just were on the outside of respective categories because of that problem. I think they both got fucked over by that and I'd say the last one who just missed out for me was Sarah Gaidon

for... Why am I forgetting the title of the fucking movie? Indignation. Indignation. Thank you. I was going to say Intolerance. All right.

Joe, do you want to go next? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So mine are Alphabetical Order. Okay. Tammy Blanchard in The Invitation. Oh, Joe. I know. Coming around.

I know. I'm coming out with the really obnoxiously esoteric one. One, that's a real Joe Reed pick. It is. Two, she's terrific in movies. I love her in that. That's such a Joe pick. And she's a terrific actress.

And she's terrific in Tallulah as well, if anybody saw that movie. She is good in Tallulah, although not- Given a really impossible character. Yeah, tough character, tough movie. I saw that movie, gave it a decent review, sat with me strangely. It's a weird movie. Janney is fantastic in it. Ellen Page is fantastic in it.

Ellen Page is a fantastic actress. Yeah. Obviously, Janney's good, but when she bad. Yeah, it's an odd movie to consider sort of in the long view. Tammy Blanchard, Paulina Garcia in Little Men. Good one. Love that movie. Greta Gerwig in 20th Century Women.

Lily Gladstone in Certain Women and Michelle Williams in Manchester by the Sea. Okay. So we overlap on three? On two. Two. Two. Lily Gladstone and Michelle Williams. We also, Joe, overlap on three.

Paulina Garcia in Little Men. Yeah, she's so good. Get yourself to that movie if you haven't seen it. She is fantastic. Lily Gladstone in Certain Women. We've all got her. I mean, that's the best supporting performance of the year for me. She's so good.

Certainly female. She's, I guess we announce winners later. Yeah. Greta Gerwig in 20th Century Women. Oh, so good. She's phenomenal. Better than Elle Fanning. Sorry, buddy.

Picking the right performance but Elle's pretty good I think everybody in that movie's good Viola Davis in Fences I'm sorry, it's a supporting performance it's a supporting performance Mary Alice won the Tony

for a supporting performance Viola won the lead because she's famous. That's why they put her in lead in the Tonys, which is what they always do. The famous people go in lead. How famous was she when Fences was on Broadway? She was an Oscar nominee. She was a two-time Oscar nominee. Was it after The Help?

I thought it was before The Help. Well, it's after Doubt. It was definitely after Doubt. I think it's the same. Isn't it 2011? I think it might be the same year as The Help. I thought it was 2010, but I could be totally wrong. You know, but she's, you know,

I would say she's a, if you're an Oscar nominee, in the eyes of the Tonys, you are famous. And certainly in the realm of Broadway and August Wilson plays, Viola Davis is incredibly, like, famous and notable. And it's also one of those things where when a play is revived, if it's that famous, suddenly these

roles become so titanic. It's a supporting performance. I think it's that famous, suddenly these roles become so titanic. It's a supporting performance. I think it's a very borderline. It is borderline. That's fine. We can talk about it when we talk about lead, but I think the fact that that last 20 minutes or so is her movie. Obviously, she takes over the movie, but in the same way that Del Toro takes over Sicario,

it's a supporting performance. Suddenly the movie gets handed off. For most of the movie that is the denzel washington show with a lot of other people around him you know as great as davis is for the whole movie obviously yeah but uh you know that transfer and anyway uh my fifth nomination is condi alexander and patriots day i have not seen patriots day this is my dav a wild pick by David Sands. Kaboom! Bam! Condi Alexander, the great Condi Alexander. Love her.

Love her. Comes into Patriot's Day, which is a movie that is not that great, in my opinion, and all over the place, but has a little mojo. Weirdly close to being great. You're right, but the thing is, here's the thing. It's not good at all. It's like, you're right, but I mean, the thing is, here's the thing, it's not good at all, it's bad, but you're right,

if you just tip six or seven things just like 5% over, maybe it'd be great. I don't know if there's a movie I've seen that's closer to greatness

that doesn't achieve. Really? In that year, 2016, it wins my award for like, this is weirdly close to greatness

for a movie that isn't. Yeah. Condi Alexander comes in, her character doesn't have a name. She's just called Interrogator. Yeah. She comes in I'm already in. I'm already interested. She's in hijab. She's you know in Muslim garb and she's interrogating the wife of Saranev

played by Supergirl Melissa Benoist which is not whitewashing. She is a white suburban woman who converted. It would be funny if Peter Berg was like, too many, let's get a white person playing one of these. Anyway. But the movie doesn't explain that.

So the whole time you're watching and you're like, is this wrong? Right, you're waiting to go to Wikipedia. I knew that. I mean, because it was so recent. Because Paints for Traders is a cover of an event that happened four years ago. Too soon.

By the way, do you know that Mark Wahlberg and Peter Berg have a movie coming out about this year's Blank Check Awards? They do. It's going to be great. Yes. Wait, is that? Condi Alexander is going to play the interrogator. That doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence for how the rest of this blankies is going to go. Hey, who knows?

All right. So Condi comes in, interrogates her. Yeah. And it's this scene where it's like this powder keg scene where she is basically like, you're fucked. Like, you are in so much trouble. We know you knew about this. We know you're in cahoots with your husband and his brother. And like, you know, and she's kind of, it's incredible.

She's playing the good cop and the bad cop in the same body. Oh, man. Because she's literally switching between like. Wait, is it a split sequel? It is a split sequel. Oh, my God. It's literally switching between, like... Wait, is it a split sequel? It is a split sequel. Oh, my God. It's an unbreakable prequel sequel. No. She'll switch between, like, kind of, like, speaking to her in Arabic.

God. And, you know, you know what I'm talking about. You've seen the movie. And, like, sort of trying to reach her as a Muslim woman. And then kind of, like, then she's like, I want an attorney. And she's like, you ain't getting shit. You know, like, you know, like, being a bad cop. And then exits the scene, pulls off's like, I want an attorney. She's like, you ain't getting shit. You know, like, you know, like being a bad cop. And then exits the scene,

pulls off the hijab and is like, sorry guys, I got nothing. Like, it is an incredible. And they say, who do you work for?

And she goes, I can't tell you. I can't tell you. Goodbye. And it's like an incredible, like, it's probably what, seven or eight minute scene.

It's one scene performance. I couldn't believe it when I, I was suddenly like, electrified by that scene. Okay. Can I tell you the one thing about this pic that makes me angry? What? I forgot to pick.

Fuck you. I sat there watching the movie and went, this is no question one of my five nominees. Boom. I completely forgot about it until now. Nice. I don't know who I'd replace her with, but yeah. I mean, yes.

I fucking hats off to you. Incredible performance. Great pic. All right. I feel confident off to you. Incredible performance. Great pick. All right. I feel confident. But my winner is definitely Lily Gladstone. We should give her a couple minutes of praise, man. She's so good in that movie.

So I think she's the only one we all nominate. She's the only one we all nominate. Michelle Williams. No, I didn't nominate her. I think she's great. Yeah. It's a good category. No, I think Lily Gladstone comes,

she's in the third part of that movie, and she comes out of nowhere. And she's the only one of those actresses that you've never seen in anything. Right, because you're going to the third part and you're like, ah, Kay Stew. I'm excited for some Kristen Stewart. Kristen Stewart's good in that,

but it's not her. Right, exactly. You realize quickly, oh, this isn't actually about her. And she's playing this woman, and she doesn't play her as a sad woman, even though there's sadness so much about her character. Right, exactly. You realize quickly, oh, this isn't actually about her. And she's playing this woman, and she doesn't play her as a sad woman, even though there's sadness so much about her character. Right, right. More of a person who's kind of like somewhat resigned to how her life works, but is at least tempted by like, oh, could I like change this?

And it's so recognizable in her, that thing where you're used to the sort of routines of your life, that thing where you're used to the sort of routines of your life and then something walks into your life that like gives you this spark of like oh something could be like different and she just really comes alive and that's really really good she's a ranch hand she's native american the movie's set in montana right it's in the in like the northwest yeah uh lily glasson's native american actress i'd never heard of her before like i don't know things before? A couple, but not really. She's attending these night school classes being taught by Kristen Stewart's character,

and they have this, it's not even a flirtation really, but it's some kind of a connection, essentially. They start to get dinner together or whatever. Because they're the only two people in that room who are incredibly awful. She's teaching these teachers who all they want to know is what is the legal requirement for me to discipline my students. Right, right. It's such a good movie. People really need to see that movie.

She's been in a couple things, Little Gladstone. I wish her well in the future. She won a lot of critics awards, which is great. I'm so happy for her. I do think, though, it's important to say that this is kind of an Astaire and Rogers performance. Yes. Like her performance works because of how good Kristen Stewart is as well. Sure.

The two of them are together. Yeah. Like even though Lily Gladstone's like the show. You're not wrong. Right. You're not wrong. But this is why we should give Lily Gladstone awards so that she can publicly thank kristin stewart for being the the friend kristin stewart was my winner last year in supporting actress all right for clouds of seals all right so my winner is

lily who's your winner joe with with the caveat that i would love to give it to tammy blanchard just so i could evangelize about the invitation more because i think it's such a good movie that people didn't really see this year. It's on Netflix. It's my favorite horror movie of the year. Damn right. It's so tense. Probably not mine, but it might be my number two.

Karen Kusama directed it. Amber Alert. Griffin, turn off your fucking phone. I'm sorry. I didn't know there was an Amber Alert going on. Karen Kusama directed the movie. It's really good. Go out and see it.

No, my winner is Greta Gerwig for 20s. She's so good. She's so good. Wrong performance. No. You got a beef with this performance? Look, I think Greta Gerwig is incredibly well cast in that movie. Okay.

Yeah, I don't know where this is going. I think it plays to all of her strengths. Well, first of all, I think it plays to all of her strengths. Well, first of all, I think it plays to her strengths, but I don't necessarily feel like in a way that would make me discount the performance. I also think we get stuff from her in that performance that I don't think I've seen from her. I think there's all the scenes with her talking to Annette Bening about motherhood and the one scene where it's. Great movie, by the way. We can all agree. Oh, 2016 Women.

I saw it twice. It's phenomenal. I think we're going to talk about it more as Great movie, by the way. We can all agree. Oh, 2016 Women is... I saw it twice. It's phenomenal. I think we're going to talk about it more as the episode goes on. Yeah. Wow. Preview of a future movie. But there's also the scene

where Annette is saying, like, this is... I don't get to see my son out in the world and you do. And, like, those two scenes with them together are so fantastic. And, like, keeping up with Annette Bening is, you know, an accomplishment. It's a tough one, especially maybe Annette Bening's best performance.

Yeah, I might say that. A goddamn dynamite Annette Bening performance that like simmers in your body for weeks. I just think, I think Elle Fanning, I mean, look. Elle Fanning is fine in 20th Century Women. She is good at playing one vibe, which is the rebellious girl who you know secretly is not as rebellious as she thinks she is. I think in this movie, though, she's much more of a real girl that you could have known than she is in her other role. Certainly like Neon Demon and stuff like that. Well, Neon Demon is a fairly broad movie. There's one good performance in Neon Demon, and it's that cougar that breaks into her hotel room.

Yeah. Great cougar. Cat is good. Great cougar. Cat is good. Cat is good. No, see, I think in 20th Century Women, what Elle Fanning is actually playing is someone who is too smart for her age. Sure.

And has to try to dumb herself down. Right. You know? Which is certainly, especially in the 70s or whatever, that's the kind of thing that might happen to a teenage girl who's rebelling. Right. Which is certainly, especially in the 70s or whatever, that's the kind of thing that might happen to a teenage girl who's rebelling. Right. It is fighting against her ability to actually over-intellectualize everything by trying to engage in the baser instincts of what a quote-unquote normal teenage girl should be doing.

You know? I think the scene where she explains why she sleeps with boys is like a fucking masterwork. She's great in the movie. I think the dinner table scene's incredible. But everyone's good in that scene. That scene is 20th century women's cooking with gas scene. And Gerwig's so great in that scene. She is. I feel like that's almost

a point in my favor. I think Fanning is playing... I'm menstruating. Say it with me. Say it. I think Fanning's playing someone who wants to be Gerwig. Yeah. And doesn't know who she's gonna be and is sort of hostile to her because of that

which I also like the dynamic between those two one of the things about 20th Century Women that's amazing is that everyone in that movie is a type

and then obviously the performances are not like a type right yeah alright who's your winner my winner is

with a bullet Kate McKinnon in Ghostbusters. She's great. I need to see Ghostbusters again. Yeah, I think I probably should. I saw it once. I had a great time, and I loved Kate McKinnon, but I will admit I don't remember a goddamn thing about it.

I remember her dancing to DeBarge. I remember, yeah. I've seen it three times. She's great. You've seen it three times? I've seen it three times. That's a lot of times I like Ghostbusters a lot

right? like I like Ghostbusters as a fucking war would you say the busting makes you feel good? no I wouldn't I would say the busting makes me feel great

that would be my full quote on the post this busting makes me feel great boy oh boy I have problems with the recent Ghostbusters in the movie they're the same problems

that everyone i feel has why are they women uh sure it's really it actually sticks in my craw i know no i make that joke no no no when oh yes um no no no i don't like i i don't like the amount of fucking fan service you call back to the original um i feel like in the final cut, they made a choice to focus on jokes rather than story, and there are character beats that don't fucking work in the movie because they clearly cut out plot lines. This is why I need to see it again, because that's the shit I don't really remember. There's shit in the movie that irks me.

It's overwhelmed by how much I think the movie does right, and I just like fucking Ghostbusters. I like the world of Ghostbusters. I also think the movie looks good. I like the look of the movie. I like the look of the ghosts. I like it's sort of quasi-cartoony. I like all that. I like that it sort of feels more like an adaptation

of the Ghostbusters cartoon show. Yes. That's actually a good point with the neon greens and such. Yeah. And even the aesthetics and all that. I like all that. Right? Right. But I think for me the one element that pushes the movie over the top is McKinnon. Who's terrific. Who is doing something But I think for me, the one element that pushes the movie over the top is McKinnon, who is who is terrific, is doing something that I think, you know, is not in the original movies. Like it's where you can't go like, oh, she's Egon. Well, not really.

Yeah. And the thing I think what she's doing is closest to is not in terms of that specific performance, but how Bill Murray was functioning in the 80s where he was the funniest guy in the movie, but it felt like he was kind of taking one step outside of the movie. Yeah. Like Bugs Bunny and winking at the audience. Oh, yeah. I mean, the movie, how much shit can I fuck up? Right. There was always a sense of her in that movie just being like, can you fucking believe what's going on here? Right.

Right. Which I love. And it's very hard to do that and not destroy the reality of the film. Right. And it's very hard to do that and not destroy the reality of the film. To be that funny and that self-aware and not have it be at the expense of everything else that's happening. You know the other thing about Kate McKinnon? What? She was on a mod team. She was on a mod team.

That's really important to mention. But never on a Lloyd team, right? Never on a Lloyd team. Yeah, good. She wasn't really an improviser. But yeah, I think Kate McKinnon's like one of the fucking best comedic actresses ever. Chill out. But she's a star.

Yeah. And certainly this is her big ascension year. She won the Emmy, all the election stuff on SNL. It's a thing to watch. And she's also incredibly good in the otherwise completely forgettable Office Christmas Party. Oh, I haven't seen it. She's weirdly good. I saw like 120 movies from last year, but that was not one of them.

I almost saw that movie like four different times. When I was going to see a movie, I'm like, I just want to see something, and it was like right there, and then I picked something. Not really worth seeing other than her performance. Sure, the award is somewhat of a coronation, like here you go, have a great 2016. Sure.

You know, you had one. Whatever. I can't speak this episode. All right, we're going to move on. I give my word to Kate McKinnon for this. Okay, supporting actor. I'll go first. Why don't we? Yeah, why don't you go first?

So Kristen Stewart is presenting this. Yes. Hey. Hey, everybody. I love how nobody cared that she said fuck, by the way. No. I was right. I was right. I knew there would be no reaction. Shouldn't care. way. No. I was right. I was right.

I knew there would be no reaction. Shouldn't care. No, there were too many other good things to talk about. Jenny Slate was the last. That's the last time anyone's going to care. Yeah. And it was more because we felt bad for Jenny Slate. Because it was like, ah, like your first day at work.

You know, that kind of thing. You could totally see where that moment went south. And it was just sort of like, yeah. Anyway. This is not the Jenny Slate Oscar. My Best Supporting Actor nominees. Mahershala Ali for Moonlight. Very good.

Billy Crudup for 20th Century Woman. Oh, I love that pick. Ralph Fiennes for A Bigger Splash. I know Griffin and I are going to fight about that. Shia LaBeouf in American Honey. Love that pick. And Daniel Radcliffe in Swiss Army Man. Those are my picks.

David, these are really good picks. Thank you. Tough category. Very tough category. David, these are really good picks. Thank you. Tough category. Very tough category. A lot of good people on the cutting room floor. Two of yours are in my runners-up. Ralph Fiennes and Mahershala Ali are both in my runners-up. Interesting.

I only got jacked. Reading Rangio. What are your picks? Boy, Reading Rangio. Tom Bennett in Love and Friendship. Who's fantastic. Who's so funny. Alden Ehrenreich in Hell, Caesar.

Who's fantastic. One of my favorite performances in years. He's so good. He's so good. Lucas Hedges in Manchester by the Sea, Oscar nominee. Andre Holland in Moonlight. So hot. So hot.

So fucking hot. I just saw Jitney, and I had those front row seats. Oh, yeah. Oh, nice. The slash zone? Yeah. And boy, you know, August Wilson plays. There's a lot of spitting.

Yeah. He's so hot. Yeah. And he's very good. And Daniel Radcliffe in Swiss Army Man. Fucking great performance. So good. Okay, this is the category that pains me the most.

And you know what? I would say most years, this is the category that pains me the most. And you know what? I would say most years this is the category that pains me the most. Usually I struggle between this and actress. Usually those are the ones where I'm like, ah, there's like 10 I like. Actress, oh, I'm sorry. Actress is the one that pains me the most. Actress this year is a nightmare. Actress is a nightmare this year.

There are two guys who are like my six and seven this year. It really, really pains me to leave them off. We can shout out some of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. My nominees are Alden Ehrenrich for Hail Caesar. He's great. I'm almost mad that he's not in mine, but whatever.

Mahershala Ali for Moonlight. Fantastic. Yep. And then three that have not been mentioned. Great. Michael Barbieri for Little Men. So good. Tracy Letts for Indignation.

Holy shit, I was just going to mention him in my runners up. He's so fucking good. Tracy Letts for Indignation. Holy shit, I was just going to mention him in my runners-up. He's so fucking good. Tracy Letts is a boss bitch. And Ashton Sanders for Moonlight. All right, so here's where my sort of extreme dorkiness comes in. When I made my whole list, I have a category for breakthrough actor and breakthrough actress. So both Michael Barbieri and Ashton Sanders. Ashton Sanders, who is the middle

Shiron. The middle Shiron. He is, yeah, just Shiron, I believe. Yes. That's what that section

is called. Who's great. Everyone in Moonlight is great. It is very annoying that they are all supporting actors essentially as well.

You know, it's very hard to find a way to highlight all of them without like giving them some special award. That's the kind of movie that ensemble awards exist for, which is why SAG gave their ensemble to Hidden Figures. Yeah, which had...

Everyone in was fine. Fine to good. That's a good movie with really good actors. Everyone is fine to good. If you make an ensemble category, it's to give a movie like... Yeah, but Jim Parsons really needed that eighth sag. How many fucking zags do you think that guy has?

He's the saggiest actor alive. Oh my God. Except for everyone on Downton Abbey who have like a billion sag awards. The sag's not many at Downton Abbey

and I was like, I swear to God, isn't Downton Abbey been off the air for like three years at this point? I honestly almost thought they would win again

for this last year because like, we're here to go. Oh my lord. Downton Abbey is the large marge of the Sagalords. Downton Abbey. All right. Downton Abbey hasn't aired since 2014.

Mahershala Ali, who I hope wins the Oscar. I do too. It's just one of those performances where, right, it's kind of like Monet, but even bigger where it's like when he's not on screen, you miss him. Like you feel the loss of him as much as you's not on screen you you miss him like you feel his the loss of him as much as you feel him on screen which works to the movie's advantage of course like there's so much humanity in like just him looking at someone like you know yes he communicates like everything you need to know which is crucial because there is not much time

in this movie to communicate shit because every little little mini movie in it is a whole story. The look on his face when Little asks him, you deal drugs? It's terrible. But even earlier. It's so good. When he is kind of trying to be tough on Little and takes his fries away or whatever. Or mac and cheese. I can't remember.

He's eating something. It's his fries. Yeah, yeah. And Little sort of looks right down. And he just looks right down and he realizes like, you just see Mahershala Ali with no dialogue

just gets like, I can't do this with this kid. It's not going to work. Right. A different thing's going to work with this kid. Right, right, right. And also like, okay.

I'm getting goosebumps. No, it's amazing. Drug dealer with a heart of gold who takes, you know, like a latchkey gay kid under his wing. It sounds like a fucking awful, awful TV movie. Yeah.

Sure. Right. Specifically, I mean, when you look at that character, I think the power of Moonlight comes in the fact that every single character in the film could be a stock cliched character in a shittier film. Yeah. And this movie treats all of them like real human beings. Yeah. You know, with real sensitive, thoughtful performances. Yep.

And he's like the most emblematic of that. And it is this performance where it has these big gestures, you know, that feel like in a shitty movie would be these big triumphant, like heartwarming moments. Yeah. But it is such a behavioral performance. Yeah. He doesn't overplay anything. Well, this is the thing is he shifts from being a drug dealer to a mentor in ways that don't feel big. Like he doesn't have to feel like he has to play either side of that equation big enough for the audience to get it.

Like he's very like within himself. And my brother James, he said my favorite thing anyone said about this performance. He said that guy's face is amazing. It's like he's got six faces. Well said. And you talk about the shifts. It is that thing. Yes, he's got this amazing face and he's got six faces well said and you talk about the shifts it is that thing like yes he's got this amazing face and he's got a lot of face yeah but it also is the shifts from when he goes from high status to low status to insecure to comfortable

to comforting yeah uh it's incredible okay so some other shared nominees alden ehrenreich you guys both had i basically you know i'd I'd have him too. That was sort of like with me and Mahershala. It's a star performance. Oh my god. So I'm still very conflicted about whether I feel good about him getting Han Solo because I don't want him to have to shoulder

that burden for the rest of his career. The burden of the young actor right now. It's like, great, oh you were good in one movie? Can you carry a franchise? Can you step into the roles of one of the most iconic fictional characters in all of movies? You get cast as Arthur in The Tick. Will everyone ever be able to listen to your podcast objectively again?

Exactly what I'm talking about, Griffin. Exactly. Exact same thing. I don't know how I feel about it for him. I feel good for the Han Solo movie. Yes. I think it's a big boon to that movie. But how about his performance in Hail Caesar? Unbelievable. I was just re-watching Hail Caesar, which is a fantastic movie.

It's a fantastic movie. It's weirdly, for a Coen Brothers movie, and the Coens tend to be people who, everything they do is considered for things like awards and top ten list and whatever. Somehow this was the underrated one. Partly because I think it came out in February. I think that's part of it. And so it got tagged with Minor Coens. I think some people didn't know what to do with it

where they're like, am I watching a broad comedy here? It's a tweener. But like his stuff is so good, both in it's screamingly funny. Like from minute one when he rides up on that horse, just the way he has, his posture is funny.

Like the way he delivers lines is funny. That scene with Ralph Fiennes is goddamn miracle. I mean, it's hard to overrate that one. But God, that scene with what's the who's the actress who plays? Yeah. Where they just start singing at the goddamn dinner table. Yep. With no explanation.

And like it's not a dress. That whole date is so good. It's so fucking charming. You can't believe it. Where he's like idly lassoing waiting for her is so charming. He's so fucking funny.

But also that scene where he's like where Josh Brolin lays it out for him like Eddie Mannix. He's like we're going to deal with this. Commies I thought so.

He's so funny. Yeah. And it gives me a great excuse to bring up how much I loved him in Beautiful Creatures which I will ride for

until the day I die. That movie was underrated. It's often an unfair setup but it's so difficult in a movie that's about how

incredible you are. Yes. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm phrasing this poorly. True. But a movie where everyone's like this is the next great star to introduce someone how incredible you are. Yes. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm phrasing this poorly. True, true, no, no, no. But a movie where everyone's like,

this is the next great star. Yeah. To introduce someone and have them fulfill the way all the other characters speak of them. Yeah. And especially because

what they speak of so highly is just an ineffable quality. Yeah. It's not like a real discernible thing. Right, right. It's star power. And there is an excitement

that boosts this performance to watching a star is born narrative containing a star is born performance yeah you know yeah that do remember when that trailer came out and it was like everybody was listed alphabetically and he was like second because his name's aaron reich and people were just like who the fuck is this guy me and esther former guests had just had a conversation where it's like, what's up with that guy from Beautiful Creatures? Everyone said he was going to break out, and she was like, well, he's in Hail Caesar, and rules don't apply this year. Maybe this is the year.

We had that conversation at your birthday party. That's right. I remember the video. I will speak to some personal bias here, which is I used to be fairly friendly with him. We used to take acting classes together.

And I remember him being the guy where I'd be like, Jesus Christ, if this guy can't make it, I got no fucking chance. You know, it was one of those things where I'd see him constantly get really close to big things. And it was like, this is so obvious. This guy so obviously has it. And it's not happening. So it was frustrating for years and years to see him you know

be good in things that didn't get seen all those Coppola movies right and so yeah there was like something especially satisfying

sitting there in the theater and being like they totally figured out exactly how to use him I hate to be the guy who Tracy Letts kind of

it's most supporting actor I mean he's got this 20 minute scene I will also say Tracy Letts and Christine it's most supporting actor I mean he's got this 20 minute scene I will also say Tracy Letts and Christine is also phenomenally good he's great

he plays he plays her boss I don't like to watch movies about people who kill themselves listen I don't blame you it's really good

if it's a movie where someone kills himself but this is a movie about a suicide carry on that's why I've avoided Alvin and the Chipmunk. Poor Dave Seville.

Yeah, he's phenomenal in Christine, though, also, I will say. But yeah, Indignation is this 20-minute confrontation scene. Yeah, right, the big scene. I mean, it's just incredible, and it's like, well, that's what a real actor can do. He is a real actor. Ashton Sanders, for me, it's like, all three Chirones are incredible in that movie.

I think he's actually got the most difficult scenes to carry and he's gotta be the bridge between the two that connects the first and third performances the way that kid

just stands in that movie with the weight of the world on his shoulders it breaks your heart it really does everyone well we already talked about that everyone's good

and then Michael Barbieri it's just like well he's also got one scene that is so phenomenal that acting class scene yeah is phenomenal but I mean there's lots of good scenes it's a fun performance it's like it's fun to watch one scene that is so phenomenal yeah it's phenomenal but I mean there's

lots of good scenes it's a fun performance it's like it's fun to watch this kid who is so genuine he's a little wise ass but then yeah the scene where

you're watching the movie and you go like maybe they just found this kid and this kid's just comfortable being himself you start to underrate him as an actor and then the acting class

scene where he has to act shows that like even if it's beginner's luck he's got the thing I didn't talk about Paulina Garcia in Little Men at all but she's also incredible but yeah

see Little Men and then go back and see Paulina Garcia and Gloria in that Chilean movie Gloria that she made a few years ago which was I think she won the Berlin Film Festival award for best actress in that that movie is one of the best endings to a movie I've ever seen in my life.

It's such a joyous ending. It's so good. Any other nominees you guys want to talk about? Yeah, man. Fucking tons of nominees. Are you kidding me? Go ahead, Joe. John Goodman and 10 Cloverfield Lane.

Oh, so good. So good. But wait, we haven't even talked about your actual nominees. Oh, did not. Oh, we didn't talk about them. I mean, are there any that you particularly- We talked about Aaron Reich. We talked about, oh, let's talk about Daniel Radcliffe because he's on both of ours.

That kid. I love Daniel Radcliffe now. Which I... Honestly, if you told me watching the early Harry Potter movies, you're going to grow up and love this actor. What an interesting career he's got right now. It is... Yeah, he's had an interesting career.

He's so funny in that role. It's the funniest physical performance since Vincent D'Onofrio in Men in Black. That's a good one. The last great animated dead body performance. Terry Kaiser in Weekend at Bernie's, how dare you. Well, that's previous to Vincent. Okay, fine. Honestly, I don't like that movie very much.

I don't either. When I saw it, I had a good time. I liked it a lot better than I expected to, I will tell you. Yeah, and I thought that it was a cool calling card movie. I liked how it looked, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The end sat very badly with me, and I just have not thought of it very well. It's a real rough ending. very badly with me and I just I have not thought of it very well.

It's a real rough ending. And it kind of has sort of stuck in a sort of Sundance movie story trope from like a decade ago. Come on, enough with the jerk off guys who don't know how to talk to a girl. Do we need more of this? But Radcliffe

is basically the spirit of the side of your brain that's just like like what's wrong with getting a boner or like you know like yeah being interested in something like is perfect he's perfect it's so it's so much fun it's such a like i mean you said it all really um also so the one moonlight actor we haven't really talked about this on my list is andre holland. But Trevante Rhodes too. We'll talk about Trevante Rhodes later maybe. Andre Holland

gets such an interesting task to play in that movie because the last thing you saw of that character Kevin's kind of a dick. I was really mad at Kevin at the end of that second segment. But Andre Holland wins you over so quickly and like you said it's the sexiest performance

he makes this plate of black beans and rice like give me those give me those beans honestly give me everything

like the scene of him I wrote about at the end of the year I wrote about what a great year it was for smoking in movies and like

that scene of him leaning up against the wall and just sort of blowing smoke into the camera it's to have that is star power too

it's like speaking about the Alden Ehrenreich thing. Like, holy shit. Griff and I were talking about it. To have a scene where you see it, you're like, that's a gif. Yeah. And nonetheless, you're like, I love this and I'm writing this movie.

Well, my argument was that that movie is almost entirely composed of gifs. Like, every single moment of that film is so cinematic and self-contained. The fact that it works as a greater whole is like a miracle. Yeah. And speaking of my favorite gif in the movie, what I think is Andre

Holland's sexiest moment in the film is the neck rub. When he puts the song in the jukebox and he turns around, he very slowly rubs his own neck. He's a fantastic I literally, watching it last night, I think I gasped at that. I was just like, it's unbelievable. Anyone else you got, Joe?

Lucas Hedges. He's's great we've talked about a lot he's an oscar nominee the meltdown scene is you know terrific the i think that's a kid scene and i think part of it is the writing because i think that's a kid who we've seen in a lot of movies be a lot different in the nuances of that kid we're just like i was so expecting this like rebellious shitty pout, like moody kid. And like he's got some of that in him. But like he's also just like a regular like he felt so real to me. He felt very like and I know that's sort of a trap that sometimes we fall into as, you know, critics of movies is that like, oh, this felt very real.

So that's got to be good. But like there were ways that he was where he was sort of like bravado but that would sort of melt away and he would allow himself to have these like real conversations and he would actually like tell casey affleck's character like what he wanted out of things and he's so wonderful uh no one writes teenagers better than kenneth lonergan yeah he's he's the fucking best as good as anyone ever at writing teenagers. And I think he understands fundamentally that all teenagers are performing.

Yeah. Which is the key. And I like how fucking funny that character is. Yes. How much people talk about Manchester being a supremely depressing movie.

Which it is. This is my thing. It's got more laughs than most comedies. And that's why I sort of bristle when people would be like, see that movie, but man,

you're going to be wrecked. It's like, shit ton of great laughs. Half the movie's a kid trying to get laid. Yeah. That scene where he is in the trailer. Working on it. He goes, I'm working on it. It means I'm working on it. Star Trek.

I want to shout out Mr. Billy Crudup in 20th Century Women. He was my number six. Best hands in 2016 cinema. My number six and it was so close. It hurt me to leave him off. I saw 20th Century a second time and that performance really exploded for me. It's incredible. Knowing the whole character from the beginning

makes it even richer. The scene where he kisses her at the bar and then she's like, why did you do that? I thought you were with Abby. And he's like, well we're not really like it's... He says something He's like, it's not serious. And then she goes, well then why do it? And the look on his face and reaction to that is amazing. And it's true of something he's like it's not serious and then she's like well then why do it and the look on his face

and reaction to that is amazing I mean and it's true of every character in that movie like you see you're like

oh this is like a kind of hippie crunchy guy I get it I get it and then immediately you're like no no no

I don't think I have this guy right and he keeps like evading your tracking and then in the period scene the menstruation scene where he's like oh you know sometimes it's very nice make love to the whole woman and remember to make love to the whole the menstruation scene where he's like oh you know sometimes it's very nice

and remember to make love to the whole woman not just the vagina it's like the fact that he's not always that smart you know what I mean but then sometimes he can be very profound and Crudup just like keeps him from ever being cartoony Crudup's a good actor. After I saw that

movie the first time I think I tweeted out I was like this movie is what happens when William Miller, his mother, his sister, what's his character's name in Almost Famous? Oh,

a fucking, Stillwater guy. Why are we forgetting the name of the guy? Russell Hammond. Oh, Russell Hammond. And Sapphire from Almost Famous

all like went and got a house in Santa Barbara. Like, that's how it felt to me. Like, this is Russell Hammond sort of growing up a little bit wiser, but still a little bit of a doofus. Yeah. All right.

Ralph Fiennes in A Bigger Splash. Oh, yeah. What's the controversy there? You claim it's a lead performance. I fully believe it's a lead performance. It's borderline, but I think it's supporting. Tilda's the only lead in that movie. There are co-leads, and one of them is Ralph Fiennes.

That's a great movie, though. That's Ralph Fiennes turned up to 12. It's wonderful. It's one of those things where he comes in and He's so gross in so much of that movie too. He's such a fucking simmering cauldron of insecurity. And herpes.

He comes in the movie and you're like, I get it. He's like the spark plug. I've seen this before. And then the scene where he dances to emotional rescue and he like he like turns the movie into his movie for a minute he's like jiving for the camera that is

not easy to do and I think that's why it's his movie but then later in that movie the other musical scene in that movie is when he and Tilda do karaoke at the bar and she can't she's not supposed to be singing and it's the

two of them sort of like fixing off and singing to each other. That's great. But yeah, no, it is not his movie because I feel like you're forgetting about the end of the movie. Spoiler alert. It's a sequel to Unbreakable. And Shia LaBeouf, why aren't you guys nominated Shia?

I love that movie. Oh, you haven't seen it. You should see it. I think he's probably, if I had a top 10 list or top 12 list, he'd be on it. Put it this way. If I told you just a year ago, there's going to be a movie where you're going to have a crush on Shia LaBeouf with a rat tail, suit pants, and a white t-shirt. I super want to have sex with Shia LaBeouf in like tick infested tall grass now after seeing that movie.

The best sex scene of the year. It's a really good sex scene of the year. Love Shia LaBeouf. American Huntsman is going to show up a few times. All right. Okay. Yeah, as I said, Billy Crudup would be my number six. Tom Bennett's also my runner's up.

Tom Bennett's so funny. George Hill. That's what he does. And that's his first, basically his first scene in the movie. Like you see him a little bit before that. He's a bit of a rattle the other one I'm kind of maybe proving

my own point here by leaving him off even though it really hurt me I think Liam Neeson's phenomenal in silence and I haven't heard anyone talk about him Liam Neeson's fantastic

in silence Tadu how do you say his name Tadunobu Asano is amazing is he the one who plays the one who keeps snitching on them? Yes.

He is really good. Ishii Gata is really good. Everyone is good in that movie, but especially all those supporting performers. That movie is on my ensemble list. I feel like that was really underrated when it came to an ensemble. And I think Neeson falls into the Patriot's Day category

where he enters just that first scene where he comes face-to to face with Garfield. Yeah. It's just like, it becomes his movie. That's a scene. Every line reading has three different interpretations to it. Yep. He's got to play three different vibes simultaneously with every sentence.

Yep. I think it's incredible. But yet, I'm a fucking hypocrite because I left him off my five. It's tough. You are a hypocrite. I am a hypocrite. Well, the thing is also, I all year, I'd read the book and I was like, I really think this is going to be a Neeson threat to win because it is kind of like a Colonel Kurtz character.

Yes. And then the movie is so restrained when he shows up and his performance is so restrained that I was like, okay, this is not what this is going to be. But he is fantastic nonetheless. It feels very sort of glib to say Silence was a movie that was too good for the Oscars, but I think Silence was a movie that was too good for the Oscars. I like everyone in The Lobster. John C. Reilly and Ben Whishaw especially are hysterical in The Lobster.

My wonderful husband, Ben Whishaw. He's a wonderful husband to us all. Jeff Bridges is great in Hell or High Water. I don't care that it's just Jeff Bridges doing his bullshit Hell or High Water. I don't care that it's like just Jeff Bridges doing his bullshit. He's fantastic. But we all agree that there was one day where he became like Yosemite Sam. No, it happened and that's the world we live in now. Billy O'Gruff.

He chews on Tintin. Everybody and everybody wants some. Yes. I mean, it's tough. Glenn Powell is the obvious one, but there's so many great. Ryan Guzman. I'm so proud of that kid. I'm very protective of all the, what's tough. Glenn Powell is the obvious one, but there's so many great. Ryan Guzman. I'm so proud of that kid. I'm very protective of all the, what's it called, step-up kids.

Oh, sure. I see one of them. He's one of them, and I love him. I have more. I can't stop. Sorry, guys. No, keep going, please. Patrick Stewart in Green Room is so good.

The idea of a scary bureaucrat Nazi who never raises his voice, never really like... I couldn't get past the accent. I think the accent is so bad that it took me out of the movie every single time. I love it. Who the fuck... What is his name? Jesus Christ. I know his

name and it's escaped me, but it's gonna come back. From what movie movie Edge of 17 oh Hayden Setso Hayden Setso oh yes was also on my breakthrough actor list that first scene

where he says Coolio it's incredible he's got such a Justin Long thing I wanna like hug him for a day and a half you guys know the most

impressive thing about that performance what's that he's 31 years old yes and when I saw we talked to who did we talk to

Angie Hunt about that yeah yeah yeah uh 10 Clover Lane Goodman just doing Goodman stuff finally Yeah. He's 31. And when I saw it. Who did you talk to? Angie Hunt about that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 10 Glover Lane, Goodman, just doing Goodman stuff. Finally, we've talked about it, you and I, for sure. Aaron Eckhart in Sully. Yep.

He lands the plane. He gets the plane going again. He lands it somewhere else. He lands it all over your fucking face. And here's another thing. We talk a lot about, when we talk about performances, we talk about them carrying the movie, right? Carrying a scene. You know, carrying their co-star. What do you have to carry in your role, in your

work in this film? He's gotta carry a goddamn push broom on his upper lip the entire fucking film. That's the hardiest mustache I've ever seen. It's a great mustache. Not only that, he has a line where he legitimately complains about the price of drinks and snacks in hotel mini bars.

And you buy that it has just occurred to this guy how expensive. That he does not know that that is a common complaint. Spoiler alert. Sully is an American masterpiece. We're going to keep talking about it for the rest of this episode. Sully. S-U-L-L-Y. Five letters.

They spell America. Back in the rack. Sully fucking rules. Everyone's going to think that you and I are trolling, David. No. That's the problem with Sully. I do feel trolled. I do feel trolled right now.

I remember I said it to, I think it was Richard Lawson. I said, isn't Sully great? And he kind of like leaned in and he was like, are you kidding? And I was like, I'm not kidding. And he was like, it is great. It was one of those things where I had to say the password first. It's very, very password. Isn't Sully great cream cheese?

And he's like, cream cheese, yes, it is great. And here's what drives me crazy. I talk to a lot of people who are like, I mean, I enjoyed watching Sully, but come on, it's not a good movie. Get the fuck out of here with that. You enjoyed watching it. Get on a plane and crash in the Hudson with that. You think that was by accident? Birds.

You think they accidentally made something that you liked? Best vocal performance is the guy who said birds. Who's the lady? Aaron Eckert rules. Best actor. Let's do best actor. Ready? We'll switch it up. No, because actress

needs to be the last one. That's the main event. I'm about to piss you off a couple times in a row. Fuck this bullshit.'re about to do. Yeah. Ahem. And my nominees for best actor in a leading role are. We should say kind of a weak year. Really weak.

Yes. As was last year. As was last year. Really weak. Which is unusual. Yes. I count three things I'm about to do that will piss you off. Oh.

Excited. Ready? Yeah. My nominees are. Stomach has turned. Yeah. Tom Hanks and Sully. Of course. Yeah. My nominees are... Stomach is turned. Yeah. Tom Hanks in Sully. Of course.

David Yellowo in Queen of Katwe. Mm-hmm. Ah. Real grift pick there. Mm-hmm. Colin Farrell in The Lobster. Uh-huh. Ray Fiennes in A Bigger Splash.

And... And he is good, though. And let me straighten my bow tie. I've only counted one thing so far. John Goodman in 10 Cloverfield Lane. Oh.

I could see that. I'd see the argument for that. Yeah. I could too. Yeah. Actually that doesn't piss me off at all. He's kind of a quasi lead

though it's tough. It's tough. It's tough. I would honestly I only saw it once I'd kind of need to see it again to remember how much... Because he does disappear for stretches

of the movie when she is sort of doing the investigation of the bunker. He sort of falls down under the Hannibal Lecter statue, though, right? I think that's fair. He's a lot of the movie. And he's in a lot of the movie, and the movie... And he looms large in more ways than one.

And he is one of our finest actors. One of our finest actors. Still never Oscar nominated. He'd be a two-time Oscar winner in my books. For which two? Barton Fink and Lebowski? He did it. Just like that.

Lebowski, he's... Oh, my God. Yeah. Talk about an iconic performance that nobody gives enough respect to. And people give a lot of respect to that movie. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Perhaps sometimes more than they should, but yet he's still underrated somehow.

I agree. Gentlemen, would you like to share yours? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So mine are- What was the third thing, though? I think you'll realize it later. Okay. Okay.

Casey Affleck for Manchester by the Sea. Colin Farrell for The Lobster. Andy Garfield for Silence. Andy Garfield. Trevante Rhodes for Moon for moonlight which we can talk about and then denzel for fences yeah okay yeah uh casey affleck manchester sure we don't have to like him but we can what can i do it's a great performance but you know caveat seems like a bit of a jerk seems like a bit of a jerk uh adam driver for patterson a great one he was my sixth

Seems like a bit of a jerk. Adam Driver for Patterson. That's a great one. He was my sixth. Colin Farrell for The Lobster. Tom Hanks for Sully. Denzel Washington for Fences. Honestly, my sixth is probably Ryan Gosling.

It's a weirdly weak year. Yeah. And I think Gosling's terrific in all ways. I think Gosling's very good in that movie. He was close for me. Also close for me. Chris Pine in Hell or High Water. Great performance. What are some...

Yeah, let's think. I got Logan Lerman as a runner-up for Indignation. Nice. I did like Garfield in Silence, and I, you know, thought he was okay in Hacksaw Ridge, although... I think he's really well cast. He's definitely his lesser performance of the two. That movie's first half is so fucking goofy.

It's so goofy. I also have Dev Patel as a runner-up for Lion, sort of under the Trevante Rhodes thing of the character is the lead character. I'm reaching out to give Joe a shake of the hand because Dev Patel is a lead in Lion.

Yes, that character is a lead. I think sometimes we get hung up on screen time. Yes, we do. Yes. I think with both

Trevante Rhodes and Dev Patel, they are the leads of their portions of the movie. I don't know. It's tough to... It's very borderline. I think the difference between those two is cutting something

into halves rather than thirds. I think thirds makes it supporting and halves makes it lead. I think you can do whatever you want, but I think Dev Patel supporting, but also lead. I don't care. Do you think Trump's going to change the rules of the Blankie Awards? You know what? I don't want to talk about Donald Trump. I have some words.

I have some people. Can I say two more runners-up? Michael Shannon? I thought you were moving us off the runners-up. Michael Shannon in... Midnight Special? Yeah. It's an okay movie. I liked Edgerton the best of the

Midnight Special ensemble. I thought Edgerton the best of the Midnight Special Ensemble. I thought Edgerton was terrific in that. It was a movie that did not stick with me. And one more wild card on my six through ten. Julian Dennison for Hunt for the Wilder People. You know, an adorable movie. That is a Griffin pick. That's a Griffin pick.

Yeah. What a great movie. I want to shout out Russell Crowe in The Nice Guys, which is a tough movie because it really has two co-leads who both do a great job, but neither of them- Oh, wait. So when you said Ryan Gosling, you meant The Nice Guys. No, I meant La La Land. Oh, okay.

But I mean, he's great in The Nice Guys, too. I think he's phenomenal in The Nice Guys. So funny. It's just, I like him in both. Yeah. I just think La La Land is a tough thing, and luckily, I think he really landed it. No one ever talked about how he talked too much about jazz. But David. No one brought that up.

Jazz. But jazz, David. I mean, look, obviously La La Land is a totemic work of racism on the scale of the birth of a nation, the D.W. Griffith one. No, whatever. Okay. We're actually weirdly not going to talk much about La La Land. Jazz, though. Jazz, though.

I'm trying to think if there are any other obvious leads. I kind of like your 10 Cloverfield Lane argument. Yeah, it's a good argument. It's a persuasive argument. A great lead in a movie nobody saw in this country is Dave Johns and I, Daniel Blake, which is a pretty darn good movie. Still haven't seen it. And he's fucking fantastic. Joel Edgerton

was good in Loving. Yep. Very understated. Christian Bale's kind of good in Night of Cups. Oh, I haven't seen it. Oh, I don't know when I'm going to end up seeing it. I'll be talking about Night of Cups a little bit later. Oh, I know you will. Uh-oh.

Andy Samberg's pretty great in Popstar. Never Stop, Never Stop. That is a Golden Globe nomination snub that hurts. Pretty rude. What the fuck? I feel like there's one other obvious one that I am forgetting. Wait, now I'm just looking. Not Ben Affleck in Live By Night, that's for sure.

I'm just sort of like scrolling down my list. I have Gael Garcia Bernal in Neruda. Yeah, he's good. But nobody really saw that movie. Almost a supporting performance. It is almost a supporting. Oh, right. Yeah, look.

Two movies that are not good, but I like the leads. Let's hear it. Jonah Hill in War Dogs is great. I refuse. I'm sorry. I haven't seen it. I won't see that movie. I know, and it's fine. Michael Fassbender's fantastic in The Light Between

Oceans. It's a real Fassbender performance, but it doesn't mean he's not good. That movie would suck without him. As it is with him, it's okay. It's okay. I left Casey Affleck off my five for political reasons. I felt it's okay. I left Casey Affleck off my five.

For political reasons? I felt like it. Yeah. You know, like if I'm being completely honest with myself, yes, that is empirically one of the five best performances I saw all year. Yeah. That stands. Does me giving him- You don't want to invite him to your ceremony.

Right. I mean, it's like my nomination fucking means nothing. We're recording in like a fucking closet and I'm just saying bullshit. But it just, I felt like I didn't want to do it. Yeah. The performance still stands. It doesn't negate the work. Yeah. But like maybe I don't need to laud him. I mean I sat there and I was like if I can come up with five nominees

that I think are good where I'm not stretching it and pushing someone above him who doesn't deserve to be there then I'll leave him off. And when I decided that Goodman was lead, then that was the shift for me. I hear you. That's where I stand on that.

I mean, who are your winners? Okay, ready? Did we say our winners for Sporting Actor? Let's go around the horn. Wait, who are our Sporting Actor winners? Oh, fuck, we didn't say winners. We didn't say the winners. Aaron Reich.

Aaron Reich's my winner. Marshall Ali's my winner. At the time that I saw Hail Caesar, I said I can't imagine that anyone would beat Aaron Reich for me. And then I saw Moonlight, and I think Marshall Ali's one of the best performances I've ever seen in a movie. Agreed. But we're all essentially talking about the same two people. Yeah, basically. All right, so best actor.

My winner is Adam Driver for Patterson. Yeah, let's talk about Patterson. It is the greatest fucking movie. Have you seen Patterson? I have. Okay. I was... Okay....whelmed by it. Yeah, well, you're an idiot. Have you seen Patterson? I have. Okay. I was. Okay.

Whelmed by it. Yeah. Well, you're an idiot. I liked it a lot. I think Driver's great. Driver's one of my favorite actors. I was distressed. Yeah, I agree.

I was distressed to see how skinny he got in Silence. I really hope. So skinny. He had some food after that. He'll be back up for Last Jedi. Yeah. Oh, yes. He'll be back up for Last Jedi.

I cannot wait. Yeah, Patterson's really good. The thing about most Jarmusch movies that are not, what's the vampire one? Only Lovers Left. Only Lovers Left, which I adored. Every other Jarmusch movie, I'm like, yeah, that's a good movie. And I sort of nod and I sort of maybe forget about it a little bit. There's a dog joke in Patterson that will stick with me forever and ever.

Do you mean the mailbox? What a great fucking payoff that is. Otherwise, that movie is sort of like yeah, good movie, but I agree with you that Driver is brilliant. My winner would be Denzel. I think somewhat perfunctorily. It feels not exciting to talk about Denzel's my number one,

but he's great. It's like seeing a great tenor perform at the opera or whatever. It's like seeing like a great tenor perform at the Oscar at the opera or whatever. You know like it's just you're like oh here he goes and he knows exactly

what he's doing. There it is. Yep. My winner is Tom Hanks for Sully. He's so good. And I'll admit that's also boosted by

Hologram for the King which I think is fantastic. Still haven't seen it. Two of my favorite leading performances of the year. I think he's Is that Tickler?

It is Tom Tickler our old friend of the year. I think he's- Is that Tickler? It is Tom Tickler, our old friend. Yep. And I think he's just like a fucking Redwood Oak of American cinema. I got no beef with any of this. And talking to our friend Richard Lawson when we were having our conversation where we both said cream cheese to each other and then we're allowed to go into the basement and talk about Sully. Cream cheese. we're allowed to go into the basement and talk about Sully. Cream cheese.

Together we developed this theory that the thing that's so satisfying about this present day Tom Hanks run, where he has sort of dropped all affectations and just become a really fucking strong, straight down the line actor, is that he's playing people who are good at their jobs and he himself is good at his job of acting. And it's the Bridge of Spies thing. It's the Sully thing. It's so satisfying to watch someone who just excels in their profession. Yeah. And you're watching that on two layers with any Hanks performance.

I still don't think anything in the last two movies that you mentioned compares to Captain Phillips. I feel like that's... Great too. That's a different performance. He's good at his job, but he's under a lot more. I love all three of those. Those are my three Tom Hanks is great at his job. And much as I didn't like Sully, but I think he's very good at Sully.

Birds, if you like Sully, tweet at me, hashtag cream cheese. Yes, hashtag cream cheese. And I'll know you're in the club. Tweet at me too. Yeah, sure. If you want. My idea. Adam Driver's great.

We can talk more about Patterson. Adam Driver's my favorite performance. Best actress? You know what? I'm going to stop here. So I watched Patterson. I liked it. I saw Adam Driver's my favorite performance. Best actress? Can... You know what? I'm going to stop here. So I watched Patterson. I liked it. I saw Adam Driver's performance.

I liked it. I knew this was... I'm glad that when you watched Patterson, you saw his performance, because otherwise you really would not have been paying much attention. It's a lot of looking away from the team. I saw it. I recognized what he was doing. I enjoyed it.

I went in knowing that it was your favorite performance of the year. I don't... I don't know if it's... you know, there's a lot of good performances this year. Like Ali is. Yeah. Okay. I maybe talk a little bit more about like what he's doing in that movie because like it's so subtle. That's what I'm asking. He is showing, the movie is about understanding, to me, about understanding like creativity.

Right. Which is a very difficult thing to depict. creativity, which is a very difficult thing to depict. He is so good at showing you a person taking in the world in a specific way rather than just a camera.

I get that it's obviously a low-key, subtle movie, but there's something about... I can't deny that he's an actor who's so charismatic to me, no matter what he's doing. For sure. Even if he's in jerk-off indie number six, right?

Like, you know, when's Adam Driver bad? And it's a watching and listening movie, so it needs someone who's that innately interesting to watch. But to play someone who is so subdued and like, you know, will have conversations with like, you think the people he loves like his what you know wife or partner we do we actually know if they're married i know we're fine what's i don't think they're married but that's just my his his live-in girlfriend lady uh or his boss at the like bus depot or whatever and like you know you would almost think like someone does this wrong and you're like am i watching a movie about like an autistic person like but he's not like that you get what everyone

sees in him yeah it's i could talk about it for a while it's tough it's it's my favorite movie yeah i mean it might be my number one of the year but for a couple really great movies like and another year it easily could have been remember during the summer sometime but like you know give it a while like remember during the summer watch it again sometime but like you know give it a while remember during the summer when everybody was talking about what a terrible year for movies this was and how it rebounded

so hard in the fall it's true it's really amazing it's one of those things where if you look at the top 30 grossing movies of the year 50

it's a nightmare it's really quite horrifying for the first time I'm really kind of like beginning to worry and I've always been someone who dismissed

those like me too comic book movies are ruining but then again there are so many good movies they're just worry and I've always been someone who dismissed those like me too comic book movies are ruining but like but then again there are so many good movies they're just smaller like and I don't know and I feel like the bulk of the crappy movies in the top 30 it's not even

comic books it's just like these sort of like uninspired sequels boring animated movies kind of like you know boring reboots yes like whatever exactly alright best actress best actress can I go first yeah this is the bloodbath boring reboots. Yes. Like whatever. Exactly. All right. Best actress. Best actress. Can I go first?

Yeah. This is the bloodbath category. So this is the one where I had six. It's so hard. I had six and I'm literally like deciding now who I'm going to bump off. It's like you're ordering and you haven't quite decided between the salmon and the chicken. Like I have my 10 contenders all could have won in a different year. Yeah.

Like I have 10 people fighting for five slots who could have been winners in a weaker category. in a different year. Yeah. Like I have 10 people fighting for five slots who could have been winners in a weaker category. So the chicken that I'm not choosing

as opposed to the salmon is Kate Beckinsale in Love and Friendship who I think is phenomenal but like the other five. So my five are Amy Adams in Arrival, Annette Bening

in 20th Century Women, Viola Davis in Fences, Rebecca Hall in Christine, and Natalie Portman in Jackie. Okay. My five are It's so hard. It's so hard.

It's so hard. You can't help but leave off great, capital G, great performances. Yeah. My five are Amy Adams in Arrival. Yes. Isabelle Huppert in Elle. Yes.

Natalie Portman in Jackie. Yes. Haley Steinfeld in Edge of Seventeen. Great. And Annette Bening for 20th Century. There you go. Yeah, mine are Amy Adams in Arrival, Seinfeld in Edge of 17. Great. And Annette Bening for 20th Century Woman. There you go. Yeah, mine are Amy Adams in Arrival,

Isabelle Huppert in Things to Come, although I like her in L2. I think she's, it's hard. L2 was such a strange sequel. Oh, boy. I would love to see it. Comma T-O-O. Her performances in L and Things to Come are a great example of why Isabelle Huppert

is one of our best actresses. Yeah, that's totally true. Because talk about two movies that are very different. Yep, yep. Ruth Nega in Loving. Yep. Annette Bening in 20th Sin. And my winner, Sasha Lane in American Honey.

Interesting. I love that movie. I don't know if I'm super sold on her as an actress. I think a lot of what's great about Andrea Arnold's direction in that movie. Love that too. It's a nice, yeah, seriously. Who would your winner be?

But like everyone you mentioned I love. Steinfeld is like a really hard one to leave off for me because I think that is a really hard performance to pull off. Yes. We'll mention them. There's so many other people. Can I stomp for Steinfeld for one second?

Do it. Yeah. Because that was one where I went, she has no chance and I have to make sure no matter what, when we do our awards episode, I nominate her.

No, you have to leave her off. That's like a fucking. She's my sixth. Right. Her opening scene in that movie where she goes into Woody Harrelson's office

and explains to him why she's going to kill herself. Yeah. And she simultaneously plays the severity of someone who genuinely believes they might take their own life and lands every single joke. Every comic beat.

It's insane. Because I remember years and years ago... Talk about the tough opening to a movie where you might be turning off the whole audience. Thank you. Years and years ago, I had an audition to play a suicidal kid in a comedy, right? And I had an audition to play a suicidal kid in a comedy.

Right. And I had just been taking a lot of acting classes and was really serious about my fucking craft and whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I went in there and was like, I have to play this real. I'm not going to make a joke out of this. And I went in and they were like, that's way too heavy for you. Right, right, right. This is a comedy.

Right. And I've always viewed that as my waterloo. Not that specific performance in that audition, but can you- It's one of your favorite phrases. Yes. But can you like, fucking do that? Like, can you hit the joke lines that have to exist within the script while playing the emotion seriously? Because I get angry

when I see comedies where people's problems aren't portrayed with accurate depth. It's strange that when Griffin says my waterloo, he means the ABBA song. I do mean the ABBA song. Right. Yes. A sort of mid-level, like, you know, not the most, the song they're most well-known for. Right, but they want it

to be their number one hit. My favorite thing about Mamma Mia is that they just sing that over the end credits because how on earth do you fit that into a plot? Yep, exactly.

But yeah, Steinfeld is like, get you a performance that can do both. It's incredible. And she nails every single joke at some of the most

ace, sharp, comedic timing I've seen in a long time. I should say, Michael B. Jordan presented my nominees. Oh, right. I think he won from all three of us. I think he did.

What a handsome man. Bring back Jordan. Where is he? Filming fantastic for TV. My winner is Sasha Lane. My winner was Viola Davis up until I saw 20th Century Women a second time and then Benning sort of leapfrogged her. Benning's great.

She's so good. and without, like, this is my thing, is, like, Viola Davis is phenomenal and gets that, like, big showcase, like, snot dripping down her face scene or whatever. Oh, sure, yeah. Annette Benning doesn't get a scene like that written for her in the movie, and even still, she manages to be, like,

wildly impressive in so many different ways. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Who's your winner, Brie? My winner is Amy Adams for I love that winner. It's a fantastic performance.

By the way, we didn't shout out Jeremy Renner in our supporting actor Bonanza, but he's fantastic. Well, a lot of people don't like that movie.

I think he's great in that movie. A lot of people don't like Arrival. I know. Which is also unacceptable. If you like Jeremy Renner

in Arrival, tweet at us, cottage. We love the white men. Just go through the dairy case is what we're doing. I think I feel the way about Renner and Arrival, tweet at us, cottage. We love the white men. Just going through the dairy case is what we're doing. I think I feel the way about Amy Adams and Arrival that you do about Jim Jarmusch and Patterson, which isn't to say- Jim Jarmusch and Patterson. I'm sorry.

Adam Driver and Patterson. I fucking love Amy Adams and Arrival. I think it's such an understated performance that is, you're watching someone think for most of the movie. And I think she has, she's one of my favorite living actresses. Too bad about how bad she was in American Hustle. Oh, disagree actually. Disagree. Disagree.

So bad, so bad, so bad. I've told you about my thing. What did you think I was going to say? I don't know actually. I thought you were maybe going to say Nocturnal Animals. Yeah, she's not.

My favorite thing about American Hustle is that that cast is a Rorschach inkblot test for people who watch it. And it's just like it's everybody who comes out of that movie has a different ranking of who was good and who was bad in that movie. I think Jennifer Lawrence is terrible. And I think Amy Adams is great. I think they're both bad.

Jeremy Renner is the only good performer. Amy Adams is great in Arrival. You're watching someone think. Yeah, you're right. great in Arrival, you're watching someone think. Yeah, you're right. And also... And take in information that you don't realize, but then on a rewatch you do realize

she doesn't understand. Yep. Yes. Which is hard to, you know, a high wire act. Very complicated performance. She delivers such good voiceover in that movie in a way that's like Cate Blanchett in Lord of the Rings level, like compelling I find. And she makes it all look effortless. It falls into the

Tom Hanks category where she's playing someone who's great at her job and she is herself showing you how to act while doing it. She wins. It's almost like

a Lifetime Achievement Award for me. Sure. I mean I think it's probably objectively my favorite of those performances but she also gets kind of grandfathered in

from the fact that she should have won like six times. Although I think she's probably won like six times in my personal awards. Yeah. Did you say who your winner was? Your winner was Annette Bening. It was Annette Bening. Yeah, who's number two for me.

Yeah, yeah. But so many runners up. Yeah, some performances you want to shout out, guys. Oh, Sasha Lane, by the way, she's fucking lightning in a bottle. American Honey's the best movie of the year. It's so great. Huppert was a runner up for me. Nega was a runner up for me. Nega's so good. Nega, that scene where she calls him on the phone. It's so great. Hooper was a runner up for me. Nega was a runner up for me. Nega is so good. Nega that scene where she calls

him on the phone. That's all she does and it's all she communicates in her face like is just like you know what I'm actually going to pick up the phone like without any like overacting any fucking what's her name in Tony Urban is so good. Oh yeah. Oh Sandra Huller.

Yeah. It's very good. We all saw the Vanity Fair video where Ruth Nega makes an Irish good. Oh, yeah. Sandra Huller. Yeah. It's very good in that. We all saw the Vanity Fair video where Ruth Nega makes an Irish coffee, yes? Yes. God, it's so wonderful. I love her. Emma Suarez for Julietta is on my list. Haven't seen Julietta. Gotta get to it.

I've talked to people who are really into Almodovar who are like, eh, it's mid-level Almodovar. For me, it's the most I've liked an Almodovar movie since Bad Education. It's really good. Sure. I liked it a lot. For me, it's the most I've liked an automotive art movie since Bad Education. It's really good. Sure. I liked it a lot.

Royalty of Hightower and the Fitz is a wonderful debut performance. I assume it's a debut performance. Very good debut performance. That movie is fantastic. Minhee Kim from The Handmaid Who Falls into the Trap I already laid out.

Natalie Portman. I didn't nominate Natalie Portman in Jackie. She's great in Jackie. She's great. Also, and this is such a hipstery pick, but like, Cretia Fairchild in Cretia is... It's great in Jackie. Also, and this is such a hipster-y pick, but like, Cretia Fairchild

and Cretia is such like a presence. Check it out, guys. It's on Netflix, man. It's like we suddenly got an urban outfitter. I know, I know. That's why I almost

hated to say it. None of us nominated the Oscar winner. I'm going to put it on for the record, Emma Stone, but she's pretty good in La La Land.

I like her in La La Land. I have no beef with her in La La Land. She's fine in that movie. Yeah. That movie is fine. The movie's good. in La La Land. I like her in La La Land. I have no beef with her in La La Land. She's fine in that movie. Yeah. That movie is fine. The movie's good. Very good, actually.

Griffin's wrong about that. But Emma Stone's not why I like it. I think it's good. Although I think she's good. It's fine. My other person. Beckinsale's great. My other runner-up.

Yeah. Susan Sarandon for The Meddler. Mr. Lawson. I didn't really know who that wasson Mr. Lawson is number one Our buddy Richard Lawson picked his number one movie of the year I said corrupt that is incredulous I cannot believe that is possible and then I watched it

and boy is that a fun movie is she really good It's a fun movie and she's really good in it Taraji P. Henson is really good in Hidden Figures I think kind of a weirdly tough role. Like a weirdly written role. I feel like. Underwritten.

Yeah. But she is good. I personally think Melissa McCarthy and Kristen Wiig are great in Ghostbusters. That's kind of a controversial opinion. I would say Wiig's better. I agree. I think McCarthy isn't great, but that's more to do with the character being underwritten rather than her performance.

And I do feel like there was a little bit of her sort of taking her foot off the gas in that movie a little bit, right? They wrote the Leslie Jones role for her. Oh, that makes sense. She said she didn't want to do that because she didn't want to play the firebrand. She wanted to travel against type. Yeah. And I think the role she ended up taking, which had been written as sort of just the straightforward functional one, then there was this awkward meshing between, between like how do you get what's funny about

McCarthy with the character who needs to propel. Yeah. I see that. You definitely see that. Anya Taylor joined the witch. Yeah.

And of course she's proven herself quite an interesting young actress I would say in her performances since. Okay. Best director. Yeah. My nominees are Barry Jenkins for Moonlight

Oh yeah, heard about that guy Denis Villeneuve for Arrival Mike Mills for 20th Century Women Nice Park Chan-wook for The Handmaiden Sure And Pablo Lorraine for Jack Hay Oh, Jack Hay

Is so good in that movie Jack Hay who? Jack Hay Harry Gentlemen, Jack Hay is so good in that movie. Jack Hay who? Jack Hay Harry. Gentlemen, your nominees. Andrea Arnold, American Honey, Jim Jarmusch, Patterson, Barry Jenks, Moon, Lights, Beat Jenks, Martin, Scorsese for Silencio, and old Dennis. Dennis Villanueva for Arrival. For Arrival, yeah. Sorry to fuck up everyone's name. Dennis Villeneuve for Arrival. Arrival, yeah. Sorry to fuck up everyone's name.

Mine are very similar to all yours. Andrea Arnold in American Honey, Barry Jenkins, Moonlight, Pablo Lorraine, Jackie, Martin Scorsese, Silence, Denis Villeneuve for Arrival. Some really good, well-directed movies this year. I liked a lot of other movies

and a lot of other directors, too. Yeah. Yorgos Lanthimos, guys. The Lobster. What a great breakthrough. The fact that that movie was so... Oh, for Mountains Made Apart. Great movie.

So good. Maranade for Tony Ertman. I'm going to shout out Karen Kusama one more time for the invitation. Karen Kusama. That's another sort of Lonergan-like thing where she was totally on the shit list, right? Yeah. Definitely. And I'm somebody who loves Jennifer's body. A lot, a lot, a lot, a lot.

A lot of Jennifer's body stance coming out of the woodwork. I got to watch the movie again. I saw it on a plane eight years ago or whatever. I don't really remember it. I love it. Wasn't the thing with The Invitation also that her husband wrote the script? Oh, is that it? Because her husband's like a pretty successful sort of studio screenwriter.

Okay. He writes on a franchise that I'm forgetting. Griffin, I don't view women directors through the lens of their husband. What I was going to say

is I think he wrote the screenplay that had some heat around it and she was able to like attach herself as a package deal. She also directed one of the best

episodes of television this year, the Halt and Catch Fire episode where they all had the big blowout argument in this year, the Halt and Catch Fire episode, where they all had the big blowout argument in the conference room. Halt and Catch Fire is the best TV show. I knew that was going to be David Bate. Gentlemen, who is your winner for best director? Andrew Arnold.

Joe. Oh, I almost want it to be Andrew Arnold. It's Barry Jenkins. Yeah, mine's Barry Jenkins. Yeah, he's good. I think he's a talented director. He's one to watch, guys. It's going to. Yeah, mine's Barry Jenkins. Yeah, he's good. I think he's a talented director. He's one to watch, guys. It's going to suck when he loses the Oscar. It's going to suck

when he loses the Oscar. Especially, I don't think I like Damien Chazelle. I actually loved the speech he gave. I was at the New York Film Critics Circle and I loved the speech he gave. I heard it went on for an hour and a day. Yeah, everyone was rolling their eyes being like, because it's the end of the night and it's been going on for a while and he's given this proper

speech that he's written, which is fine obviously because he knew he was going to win. It's the winner's dinner. It's a terrific speech that if you can find it, you should check out about the movies that influenced La La Land. You should seriously check it out. I also wrote about it in my La La Land piece on The Atlantic.

I think I think Moonlight is like... Look, there's obviously a synthesis of different influences, styles, dramatic storytelling types, all of that. But it feels like he blends it all into something that feels entirely. There's things like how he uses I love that, but it feels like he blends it all into something that feels entirely new.

There's things like how he uses a 360 shot in each one of those segments and what that means. And the sort of intense close-ups, there's sort of one in each of the segments and what that means. Yeah, like Moonlight feels to me like he's borrowing words from different languages, somehow constructing an entirely new language. You know, it feels like very much its own thing. And I've seen the movie three times now and there's just not a moment that feels out of place. Not a shot, not a line, not a gesture. And on behalf of all that, and it's also like, that is, I know you talk about like lead movie making. And like every single scene in there just like does what it needs to do and like moves the plot forward

or moves a character forward in such precise ways. And this is a thing that's been discussed ad nauseum throughout this whole season. But he pointedly did not have the three actors playing Chiron meet each other. Yeah. And when I walked out of the film,

I went like, God, what was the rehearsal process like? How much time did he spend with them meet each other. Yeah. And when I walked out of the film, I went like, God, what was the rehearsal process like? How much time did he spend with them studying each other's gestures or creating a series of combined, you know, shared common gestures? And then to find that out is like, oh, that's directing. Yeah. His direction is obviously crucial to why that works.

Not just in how he directs the three actors, but also how he frames them. Yeah. And how he matches everything together. Yes. Yeah. Great director. Yeah. Cannot wait together. Yes. Yeah. Great director. Yeah. Cannot wait to see his next film.

I know. Me too. Do we want to do best picture, or do we want to now jump back and do some other crap? And say best picture for the grand finale. Yeah. Let's do some other crap. Let's do some other crap. I like other crap.

Original screenplay. Original screenplay. My nominees. Good year for original screenplays. Marinade for Tony Erdman. Ethan and Joel Cohen for Hail Caesar, Jim Jarmusch for Patterson, Yorgos Lanthimos and Filipe. That's a tough one. That's a tough one.

For The Lobster and Richie. Big L, Big Dick, Linklater for Everybody Wants Some. Big L and a Big Dick. Man, this is. Who knows? Who knows? That's really great. I love that Everybody Wants Some is on the list for you.

Love that movie. That movie became a little bit of a lightning rod for people. I love it. I think it's so great. It's great. You know what you should do? Watch it again and again and again because it's very good at that. Yes.

I can imagine. It stands up well. Mine are 20th Century Women, Mike Mills, Don't Think Twice, Mike Birbiglia, Little Men. All good nominees so far. Ira Sachs and Mauricio Zacharias, Manchester by the Sea, Kenny Lonergan, and Other People, Chris Kelly. Manchester by the Sea, Kenny Lonergan, and other people, Chris Kelly. My original screenplay nominees are The Lobster. Boom.

Those dudes. The Meddler. Those ladies. That lady. Those ladies. Lauren Scafaria. She's the royal we. Manchester by the Sea, 20th Century Women, and let me adjust my bow tie again. David's going to be furious.

Oh, God. Allied. A laughable choice. Stephen Knight, I believe, wrote that movie. A wonderful script. You know what? Here's what I'll say about Allied. What a shitty script.

I thought that was going to be- That's like the last thing I liked about Allied. I liked everything else more than the script. What a great piece of writing. What? I enjoyed Allied a lot more than I thought I Allied. Like, I liked everything else more than the script. What a great piece of writing. What? I enjoyed Allied a lot more than I thought I was going to. It rules.

Script seems to me an interesting place to honor that movie. Love it. Love that the film spends the entire first half setting up the relationship before you even get to what is ostensibly the plot of the film. Right, right, right. I like that it spends its time. I think it's a series of very well orchestrated moves. I think it's like a of very well orchestrated moves. I think it's like a lovely, like sort of like a fucking,

like a mouse hunt board of a script. Cutting you off. Mouse hunt. Who's your winner? Better not be allied. My winner is... Ally! No, my winner is... Boy.

It's a real showdown between Manchester and 20th Century Women. Yeah, both good shows. And I feel like I gotta give it to 20th Century Women. Yeah, both good. And I feel like I got to give it to 20th Century Women. That's mine. I just think it's a movie where every single character is a fucking fully realized human being. And it is a film full of ideas and questions without offering any answers,

without being sort of pedantic or didactic about what it's fucking trying to say. When was the last time that sort of like, and I mean he's done it twice now, but like dreamy voiceover like that. And I don't think it works that well in Beginners, but I think it works like gangbusters in 2016. I think the device of having the characters at the end explain what happens in the rest of their lives is one of the most weirdly emotional things. It kills me. And I also think like good timing, but like to make a movie that's just a bunch of people

trying to argue over, like, what function does man have in current society, at a point where, spoiler, we kind of outlived our purpose. Well, and the part where she's, like, men don't have a reason to exist anymore. And when Annette Bening is talking about, like, they don't know that Reagan's coming, and I'm like,

oh my god, like, and I know that, like, too many things now when I go see a movie remind me of our current situation. I think, David, I may have mentioned to you after I got out of Split, I was just like, oh, the part where the few good personalities are like – or no, the many decent personalities are like these three don't speak for us. This minority malevolent population doesn't speak for us. I was like, shit, now I gotta think of current events and split of all things. Split. Split. Breakable. That's a weird factor to this year. Unsplittable.

When I was looking at my top films for the year, I was like, wow, it's a weirdly political year. All my picks are political. And I realized, no, it's not. It's just that you're seeing it in these movies. Someone remarked on this about the Super Bowl where it's like, oh yeah, now an not it's just that you're seeing it in these movies someone remarked on this about the Super Bowl

where it's like oh yeah now an ad that's just like America's a nice place is suddenly like a wildly political state controversial well it's like

that's what ads especially like you know these big Super Bowls sort of like I'd like to teach the world to sing like Super Bowl ads what's also just like

empathy has become a partisan issue yeah wait what's your winner we have to move on my winner for best original screenplay is 20th Century Woman it's 20th Century okay best adapted screenplay Super Bowl ads. What's also just like empathy has become a partisan issue now. Wait, what's your winner? We have to move on. My winner for best original screenplay is 20th Century Woman. It's 20th Century Woman.

Okay, best adapted screenplay. 20th Century Woman. My winner is Marinade for Tony Erdman. I gotta see Tony Erdman. Tony Erdman. He put his hands

around his mouth. Great movie. Best adapted screenplay. My nominees are Arrival. Written by Eric Heisserer. Yep.

Heisserer. Heisserer. I interviewed him. He was very nice. The Handmaiden. Written by Park Chan-wook and Chung Soo-kyung. I don't know how you say that guy's name. I'm sorry.

Moonlight. Written by Barry Jenkins. And sort of by Terrell Alvin McRaney. Yes. Kind of, sort of. Story by. Based on his play. Silence. Written by Scorsese andaney. Yes. Kind of, sort of. Based on his play. Silence.

Written by Scorsese and Cox, I believe. I believe it's Scorsese. Yes. Yeah, I think you're right. And my real grift pick in the category. The real grift pick. It's not going to anger you guys. You guys are just going to laugh. Uh-huh.

Okay? The Little Prince. Wow. Ew, I hated that movie. Oh, I love it. I think it's lovely. I think it's lovely. Wow. I hated that movie. Oh, I love it. I think it's lovely. I think it's lovely. I think it's lovely

and a very clever adaptation of very difficult material to stretch. I never read that book and I was never all that familiar. What do they do to adapt it?

It's like, essentially the film functions as a story within a story. Right. Where it's a girl living next door to the elderly version of the pilot from the book. Okay.

Who recounts it to her. And the entirety of the little princess contained within the body of the film as stop motion segments of the story. Gotcha. And then the last third of the film, which I will not ruin for people, and which is the part that most people either fall in love with the movie or become violently enraged at the movie. Kind of meshes the two together in a way that I thought was very inspiring. From the director of the first Kung Fu Panda, I believe. Yes, Mark Osborne.

Okay, what are your nominees? For Adapted Screenplay, I have Arrival, Certain Women by Kelly Reichardt, Hunt for the Wilder People by Taika Waititi. I did not know that was adapted, actually. Yeah, I was kind of sort of surprised by that myself. Love and Friendship by Whit Stillman, adapted from the, is it unfinished? No, no, it's finished.

It was just published after Death Lady season. And Moonlight by Barry Jenkins. Yeah, mine, a mishmash of your two. Arrival, Moonlight, which is my winner. Handmaiden, Certain Women, Love and Friendship. That one didn't sneak in there. All right. What else do we want to do?

Do some other odds and ends here before we get to best pickers. Original score? Oh, I have some original scores. Oh, this is a good year for original scores. No, no, no. I was just going to say, I mean, there are a lot of big ones. I'd say Jackie. Yep.

I'd say 20th Century Women. Good score. I would say Arrival. Moonlight. I would say Moonlight. I love the Heller High Water score. Great score. Good score.

I love the Midnight Special score, David Wingo. It's my favorite thing about that movie. I love the Kubo and the Two Strings score. That would be my fifth. Yeah. My nominees are Nicholas Patel for Moonlight, Justin Hurwitz for La La Land, Johan Johansson for Arrival,

Mika Levy for Jackie, the obvious winner, and Cho Young-wook for The Handmaiden Baby. That's got a fucking great score. I gotta check out that score. I've seen that movie, but the score didn't... Check it out.

The score also has several isolated vocal tracks of them making out for reasons that I couldn't really figure out. I like that. Yeah, it's suddenly like track four, and you're like, what is this? And then you're like, oh, right, it's the one where they're just really figure out. I like that. Yeah, it's like suddenly like track four and you're like, what is this? And then you're like, oh, right, it's the one where they're just going like.

It's like bizarre. I feel like this was a year for like sort of breakthrough composers. Like Roger Neal for 20th Century Woman and Nicholas Bertel for Moonlight are like. Nod. Phenomenal. Let's all imitate the opening of Mika Levy's score for Jackie. No one else?

All right. What else you got? Griffey, what do you want to do? Can I do a little best song category? Best song? This is the first time I've had an actual lineup for best song in forever. I think they whiffed really hard on best song this year. They fucked up on best song.

I'm dying to hear what your six are. I'm guessing that- Six? Oh, sorry. Five. I'm dying to hear what your six are. I'm guessing that... Six? Oh, sorry. Five. I have six. Oh, okay. Yeah. I have a six that's really close there. Here's what my five would be for best song. No Dames from... Great

song. That was a rough one. Hail Caesar. I've been talking up all year. Yep. Shiny from Moana. Oh. Honestly, don't get the excitement for that song. I think How Far I'll Go is so good. I think it's lovely too. I think they picked the right one. I definitely think they picked the right one.

And I like the, you know, the. We Know the Way. We Know the Way as well. Yeah, I think that's great. And Consider the Coconut, which is not the name of the song, but that's how I refer to it. Consider the Coconut. I should just say that all the time. Moana.

Moana. Riddle the Model from Sing Street. All the Sing Street songs are great. All the Sing Street songs are great. I think that's the best one. That's my third favorite, I think. It's obviously very fun. Forever Like You Stole It is my number one for me,

and Brown Shoes is my second one. Not a movie I liked, weirdly. I was weirdly tepid on it, but the songs are great. Mona Lisa from Popstar? That's your favorite from Popstar. You're doing a lot of songs from movies that I picked, but not the same song. We've argued about this all year. Yes.

Mona Lisa is hysterically funny. Yeah. It is such a good song. It's the funniest one. It's so funny. They should have included the full performance. I was just, it's something, what does he call like, like a baked potato face?

I can't remember what is, all right, all right. Looks like a Garbage Pail Kid. That one's great. I'm going to find it. There's something about potato. I just like Mona Lisa, the original basic bitch. The original basic bitch is amazing. Yeah.

It's a great song, and my fifth nominee would be, who, anger, bow tie, straightened. Oh, God. It's a great song. And my fifth nominee would be... Who? Anger, Bowtie, Straighten. Oh, God. Rules Don't Apply from... Oh, Griffin. Rules Don't Apply. Oh, no. Still haven't seen it.

I really need to. I do really... We saw this movie together, but I really respect how much you stick up for this movie. You could land a helicopter on that big potato forehead. And also, but I also love this. a helicopter on that big potato forehead. And also, but I also love this. Da Vinci must have sucked an art historian's dick to get this girl who looked like

uncooked bread at the top of the all-time famous painting. It's a great song. It's not the case in France where the naked ladies dance and they look like Dennis Frantz. Yeah, so that's my winner for best song. See, now my list of songs seems very pedestrian

because you've got the more cool selections. I think I'm So Humble is hysterical, though, and I also think it's a really good song. So I'm So Humble is one of mine from Popstar. I think it's so good. Someone in the Crowd is my La La Land, which is sort of my Griffin version of picking a song from La La Land, and it's the third or fourth

one down. You grifted on that one. I did. How Far I'll Go, Moana I really think is a fantastic song. I love it. I said I'm so humble. Drive It Like You Stole It from Sing Street. Montage from Swiss Army Man, which I think is such a – it's more – it's almost on the border of like being more score than song,

but I think the little part where they kick in to sing it – oh, it definitely counts, but like – Listen, listen. I got this. It's fine kick in to sing it, oh, it definitely counts. Listen, I got this. It's fine. I'm nominating the making out track on. And then I squeezed in six because fuck it. Try Everything by Shakira and Zootopia is so fun.

That song is really good. I love that song. I honestly do. I will listen to that thing maybe once every three or four days. I went to a Zootopia screening. It was like 11 in the morning. It was raining. And I was kind of like vaguely excited for Zootopia. And that scene where it was like I was moving to college or leaving.

And she's on the train. Try everything. But I will stay through the end credits of that movie to watch that. Her and those two gay tigers like dancing around. It's great. I have watched that movie up to the try anything point and then two gay tigers like dancing around. It's great. I have watched that movie up to the Try Anything point and then turned it off

like a few times on Netflix. Also, love, Jesus Christ, it escaped my brain. I can't remember now. My number six would be Abel from Hidden Figures.

That's my favorite Hidden Figures song. You know, I really love that terrible Sia song in Lion. It's so bad. I do too, actually. It's so bad. I do too, actually. It's so bad. I went through the big 100 song best eligible, whatever.

She had that song on the long list, and then she had this song from the Eagle Huntress. Oh, sure. And both of those songs are essentially these really ham-fistedly worded inspirational choruses. We're like, what's the chorus in the Lion Song? It's like, oh, it's... Never give up now, never give up now, whoa. Yeah. It's pretty boring.

And Eagle Huntress has a very similar kind of like, you can do this kind of a chorus. It's very funny. I forgot, I want to say before I forget, I forgot to shout out Cliff Martinez's score for The Neon Demon, which sounds like the Vanilla Dome world in Super Mario World. It's great.

I also love my favorite La La Land song is definitely Someone in the Crowd. I think Another Day of Sun is really good. I think Start a Fire is really good. I like the La La Land music. Yeah. I think not nominating Hurwitz is almost rude. Like that's why the movie works to me more than anything else. Yeah, I get you.

Jazzy. Jazzy. Jazzy. Very jazzy. Jazz. I also, so I stole this from my friend Nathaniel Rogers who runs The Film Experience. He would, for his awards, he would always do best cameo or limited role, which this is where my only place that Nocturnal Animals shows up because I honestly think the Laura Linney scene in Nocturnal Animals.

You didn't listen to the rules. I know. I know. So whatever. We don't have to talk about her The Frances McDormand scene in Hail Caesar I think is really funny I think she's so funny in that

Ethan Coen is married to an editor and I just feel like there's a lot of love in that scene Yes, I think that's totally true He's got his brother's wife playing the editor, but nonetheless It's two brothers harmonizing going We love our wives. I have two

from Hell or High Water in this. The one is Katie Mixon as the waitress who interacts with Chris Pine, which is such a great scene. And then Jeff Bridges is awesome where he's like, I need the money back. And she's like, no! I love that scene. All the one scene performances in Hell or High Water are fantastic.

The other waitress is my other nominee. The other waitress is great. It's the one who's just like, so you either don't want the corn on the cob or you don't want the green beans. The T-bone steak lady? Yeah. But also, I love where it's like, do you have a gun? And the guy's like, yeah, I have a gun. That opening bank robber scene.

Oh, that's Dale Dickey, right? Well, no, Dale Dickey's great, too. But no, the guy. Oh, the guy. The guy who's like, I do have a good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And my fifth was Michael Shannon in Loving, which is such a great performance in that scene. Can I give out my, there's a special award this year.

Uh-huh. You know, in the past I've done the Putters and Murmurs award. Yeah, does anyone win the Putters and Murmurs? No real Putters and Murmurs. Wait a second. Now I'm going to look. I feel like Joel Edgerton almost counts for Putters and Murmurs? No real Putters and Murmurs. Wait a second. Now I'm going to look. I feel like Joel Edgerton almost counts for Putters and Murmurs. That is arguably true.

You know? I feel like that's a classic. That's a classic Putters and Murmurs. Joel Edgerton gets the 2017 Putters and Murmurs award. You know who else does a great Putters and Murmurs job? Jiang Wen in Rogue One. That is a quiet Putters and Murmurs performance. We've got a competition for Putters and Murmurs.

He Putters and Murmurs a lot. Yeah. Don't sleep on him. I think Chris Hedges. I know. Honestly, weirdly, Chris Pine is almost a putter. Here's an award for 2016. The best performance by Vin Diesel in a 4K, 120 frames per second 3D movie goes to...

Well, this is weird. Vin Diesel in Billy Lynn's long halftime walk. Wow. That movie didn't show up on any of our lists, you guys. I want that movie to be a masterpiece. I want it to be so much better than it is. Best performance by a supporting Godzilla goes to Shin Godzilla. Give that movie to Friday Night Lights guys.

And I don't know who they are anymore because obviously Peter Berg does his own thing now. No, I just mean like give Billy Lynn's Halftime Walk to Peter Berg circa 2003 or like Jason Kadams or whatever. That's what that movie should be. Anyway, carry on. Best Morning Godzilla is Shin Godzilla Godzilla.

Wait, are we doing voice performances? Because I've got a couple. Yeah, I mean Jermaine Clement in Mulan is my favorite. Shrug. My favorite. Well, first of all, runner up, and David, I might need you to look this up for me, is whoever voices Black Phillip at the end of The Witch. I don't know who that is, but it is great.

I mean, if you told me it was the director, I would probably believe you. I mean, it's so good. Would you like to be the next? Similarly, the voice of Jesus in Silence. You know who it was? Well, Harb Chowdhury is the voice. So it's not Liam. Oh, is it the witch?

Of the witch. Yes. I heard somebody say it might be Neeson, and it sounded like Neeson to me. I heard it was Karen Hines. Wait, what are you guys talking about? The voice of Jesus in Silence. In Silence. Oh.

Which makes a lot of sense and actually deepens my read of the film. Love that movie. My number one voice performance, though, I think it's actually phenomenally good, is Idris Elba in The Jungle Book. He also is on my list. He's excellent. He's super scary. He is scary. And he's also very good in Zootopia.

Yeah. My hear my voice performances. Can I say some? Please. Do it. Jason Bateman and Jennifer Goodwin in Zootopia. I swear to God. Those are performances right there. They're both charming. Can I say some? Please. Do it. Jason Bateman and Jennifer Goodwin in Zootopia. I swear to God.

Yep. Those are performances right there. They're both charming. Yes, they are. Yep. I think Oli Carvalho or whatever name is great in Moana. I think that's a lovely singing and talking performance. I think Alan Tudyk is great in Rogue One.

Oh, yeah. Alan Tudyk is no joke. Yep. He's great as the chicken in Moana. That's a great point. Best chicken. Does Mark Rylance in the BFG count? Because that's a hell of a performance. I mean, you know, motion capture

is tough with the vocal performance. And the fact that it's his own face doesn't make it feel like a vocal. But, you know what? Let me shout him out, though, right? Because like, Jesus, he's great in the BFG. As much as that movie was kind of, left me nonplussed. Well, we haven't recorded like, Jesus, he's great in the BFG. As much as that movie left me nonplussed. Well, we haven't recorded it yet, but we will be talking about BFG extensively tomorrow. Yes, we will.

Which you will have already heard at this point. Yes. Should we do Best Picture? Are there any other times? No, they won't have already heard it. This is going to come out. BFG's not going to post until fucking May. You're right.

You're right. What the fuck am I talking about? I don't know. What if this came out in June? What if this podcast was just like, I'm losing my mind. Let's do Best Picture. All right, let's do it. Okay, ready?

Yes. You don't want to do cinematography? Oh, what are your cinematographers? I want to do cinematography. I want to hear this. What's your cinematography? Let me actually see. My cinematography nominees are

Handmaid and Jackie, Moonlight, Silence, American Honey. Yeah, I mean, I feel like my cinematography is mostly like my top five movies. Usually for me, it's the movies I like the most are definitely up there. Yeah, me too. I feel like my outlier. Should we do a top ten? Yes, I think we do a top ten. Okay, so let's all, last year we ping ponged between ourselves. It doesn't make any

goddamn sense. No, I listened back to it too. It's a jumble. It's a real jumble. Phoenix, Phoenix, Rocky, whatever, Creed. It's weird that three of us picked Rocky last year. Yeah. Okay. So you're just going to read your top ten, Griff?

Yeah, but my letterbox is still loading, so can one of you guys go first? Should I go bottom to top or top to bottom? Bottom to top, maybe. Number ten, The Handmaiden by Park Chan-wook. Number nine, Tony Urban by Marinade. Number eight, Mountains Made Apart by Jia Zhang. Every time you say Mountains Made Apart, I like sigh and like melt into my chair a little bit. What a great, first of all, beginning and ending.

Oh, yeah. Like, what a great bookend. I wrote a whole article about it. I know. It was one of my favorite articles you wrote this year. Thanks. Number seven, The Lobster, Yorgos Lanthimos. Number six, Camera Person, Kirsten Johnson.

Camera Person, we haven't talked about that. What a great movie. Obviously, it doesn't count in your performance categories or anything. I was really skeptical of the premise of that movie as that started. Yeah, me too a little bit. And that was like a whimmy over movie, and it really did. I mean, the boxing scene. Well, the fucking baby.

Well, the baby. But for some reason, when the boxer, when you think he's going to do one thing and he does another thing. Yeah. Right, you guys know what I'm talking about. Hey, if you're listening and you don't, go watch Cameraman. Go watch Cameraman. It's a great documentary. Number five, Silence by Martin

Scorsese. Scorsese. Number four, Arrival by Denis Villeneuve. Denis Villeneuve. Number three, Patterson by Jim Jarmusch. Number two, Moonlight by Barry Jenkins. Number one, American Honey by Andrea Arnold. I love that Barry Jenkins, number one, American Honey. I love that that's your number one movie.

I feel like too many people sort of like poo-pooed that movie and talked about that movie in ways that I didn't quite understand. Nothing wrong about that movie. It's so great. Correct. Do you want to go, Griff? Do you want me to go? Go ahead, Joe.

Go ahead. Yeah, you should be the grandfather. My number 10 is Jackie by Pablo Lorraine. My number 9 is The Invitation by Karen Kusama. My number 8 is Silence by Martin Scorsese. My number 7 is Hail Cesar by the Coen Brothers. My number 12, by the way, right outside. Number 6 is Manchester by the Sea, Ken Lonergan.

Number 5 is Little Men by Ira Sachs. And then this top four is honestly bulletproof. Moonlight by Barry Jenkins. Three is 20th Century Women by Mike Mills. Two is American Honey by Andrew Arnold. And number one is Arrival. Wow. Arrival.

Arrival. Second I saw that movie at Toronto, I was like, I also, did I ever tell you guys a story about how I told Amy Adams on the plane when I was back from Toronto that Narewa was my favorite movie of the festival

I also told her that she should see Cats while she was in New York it was a great moment in time I wonder if she did I hope she did

Amy if you did tweet at Joe Reed hashtag I saw Cats hashtag Havarti Cheese hashtag Boursin

yeah Boursin let's settle on Boursin okay my top 10 of 2016 is number 10 Hashtag Boursin. Yeah, Boursin. Let's settle on Boursin. Okay, my top 10 of 2016 is number 10, Night of Cups. Wow, it's already beginning. For a while, it was your number one. It was. Yeah, for like a good chunk. It was a good back half of the year.

I'd say it was my number one until, oh no, one film dethroned it and then it was number two for a while. We'll get to that. Night of Cups is great and I need to watch it again. Nine of Cups, number 10, it has begun. The cuppening. Number nine, Silence. Silencio.

Number eight, Camera Person. Nice. Number seven, Arrival. Number six, Manchester, By the Sea. What? By the Sea? By the Sea. Number five, The Handmaiden.

Number four, Jackay. Number three, Wiener. Wiener's so good. Ooh. We haven't talked about that either. Yeah. So crazy that it didn't get an Oscar nominee. It is crazy.

I legit think it's just because they were mad at Anthony Wiener for ruining the election. They left off some really good documentaries. They did. Not that they didn't nominate great documentaries. It was a good year. Good year. But Weiner's incredible. It's a film of our times.

I haven't dared watch it again since everything went down in November. I wonder what made me too angry now. But I am in scenes that are in it. Sure. I'm in the room. Right, and you showed your Weiner. I bet I did. In the bigger splash.

My number two film of the year is 20th Century Women. Sure. And my number two film of the year is 20th Century Women sure and my number one film of the year is Moonlight I haven't heard of that one so by my count wait was Jackie on your list? was 20th Century Women on your list?

nope no they're both up there so the only three movies that were on all of our lists were Silence Arrival and Moonlight

interesting that's pretty good yeah that's a pretty good consensus top three yeah you didn't have no you had

Camera Person I did yes I didn't you guys didn't have any and you had The Handmaiden actually

so we had we shared five of ten Griffin guys Sully of course is my number eleven

two friends Sully's up there for me The Witch is up there for me I think that's a great movie The Fitz is up

there for me yeah Hail Caesar everybody wants some Jackie Greenroom. Nice guys. These are great movies, baby. Yeah, my next five. Really, really great year.

20th. Sully Lobster Hunt for the Wilder People. Queen of Cotway. Allied. Elle. Kubo and the Two Strings. Certain Women. Yeah. Elle Caesar. Those are sort of my next. Kubo was up there for me. Camera Person was my 12. Certain Women was my 13. Like, it's a really great year.

Guys, we had a good time. We had a real good time. I love that you guys had me back for this. So much fun. It's exactly my kind of nerdy. Can I do a quick little stump here? No, just, I mean, we've got time to just freestyle at this point, right? I want to say this.

I feel like there's this sort of dumb cultural meme going around that, like, Moonlight is a tough watch. Have you seen this? People make jokes about, like, oh, Moonlight. I just, I don't know if I'm ready, if I'm in the moon yet. Like, the moon yet. The mood yet. I feel like that's very telling more of the person than of the movie. I think so, too.

And I feel like I've heard people talk about knowing they should see Moonlight, but not seeing it yet as if it were Manchester by the Sea. Well, it also, Manchester by the Sea is also not what people say. I'm actually going to pose a counter to this. Moonlight's but not seeing it yet as if it were Manchester by the Sea. Well, Manchester by the Sea is also not what people say. I'm actually going to pose a counter to this. Moonlight's a tough watch. You think so? Yeah. Okay. I think the Moonlight's great, and I think it ends on a very hopeful note.

Yes. But, you know, it's especially, I don't know. I don't think I would call it a punishing movie, though. Yes. I don't think it's a tough watch. No, no, no, no, no, no. Punishing to me is different. It is a very emotionally stressful and demanding movie.

And sometimes people don't want to see emotional. Yes, that is true. The middle is really tough. And I know some people who work with children who found the middle very tough. Sure. Also, the Patricia Heaton show, The Middle, is really tough. No, that's a show that is a grueling watch. And it wants to be.

That's a show that's hostile. Pulling no punches. But Moonlight is not, even if it's a tough watch it's not a punishing film in the way that say a silence is silence is a punishing silence that's a movie when someone says to me like i just like i'd rather see x this week i'm like i get it i get it moonlight i agree with you like go see it like come on you know but i think you know look people are seeing moonlight it's one of the great stories of the year people are seeing well one likes playing actually god knows where right now it's great big stories of the year is just how many indie movies did surprisingly well box office like manchester love and friendship uh the lobster like great great

great stories very happy that lobster got that and lala is crazy successful i mean i know like fucking lion's gates right on that edge. Yeah. No, but La La Land's so good. I was surprised when I looked back, because I wrote a little bit last week about how when James Cameron said that thing about, you know, the Oscars don't nominate movies that people want to see and that people pay money to see, which is one of my least favorite, like, arguments. Agreed. But I didn't realize when I was looking up info for that, Whiplash only made $14 million. Yeah, Whiplash was sort of a minor hit

And so like and so La La Land Is like such a great case for And I mean like it's like whatever Damien Chazelle doesn't need you know Societal boost or anything like that But good for the Oscars For you know giving a director Like that a boost and that you can make this

Movie that now People are seeing and seemingly enjoying. Yeah. It's an unqualified blockbuster. Yeah. It's true. It is true. Silence being a flop actually is one of the weird It is. I mean it's not weird but it's one of the things that's more

like how these things often go. Yes. Silence did not break out. Was it nominated for Best Picture? No and also was a major studio release and Paramount seemingly did not break out. And yet wasn't nominated for Best Picture. No, and also was a major studio release. And Paramount seemingly did not know what to do about Silence. Everything about Silence was weird in terms of its release, its response. Well, the weird thing is I saw it, wasn't allowed to talk about it for two weeks. Because Paramount had a really strict embargo, which was strange because I really liked it.

Yes. And it was Oscar season. So you might want Buzz to be building. I don't, there's been such a weird thing because 20th Century Women wasn't the same thing but it opened so late,

too late to do much of anything. They fucked that one. Real misstep. At some point, A24, I think, they had a lot of movies and a limited budget

to do with. I think A24 ended up with the problem, the quote unquote problem of too many great movies. Embarrassing and righteous. Yeah. But maybe at some point we need to recognize that

voting for all these things keeps moving earlier and earlier and earlier. It's not viable to open your movie after Christmas and expect it to get awards. It's tough to do that. And the only way it works is if you're fucking hidden figures and the second the movie comes out it's a big hit and everyone rushes to see it in the last week of the year.

Well, and also they had been whipping up the publicity campaign for that movie for months. Since legitimately that trailer premiered during the Olympics. But the big thing is that you can't release a film in December and have it percolate. It has to be something that's going to hit the ground running, do well, everyone's going to see it, it's a crowd pleaser. You can't release something that's challenging or something that's kind of a low-key charmer. I mean, 20th Century Women, my number two film of the year, is a big film in my mind, but is a modest film in terms of it's just a couple characters. Yeah.

It's really about conversations. It's about sort of intangible things. Yeah, and it doesn't have some big things happening. And you also don't feel like, oh, I've got to see this thing in theaters. Right. Like, if I'm not me. You know what I mean? Like, I certainly do. God, if I'm not me. You know what I mean? Like, I certainly do.

But I'm weird. Yes, me too. Yeah. That movie also hits, like, really close to home for me in a lot of ways. Yeah. Yeah, you could have played that fucking part 10 years ago. I could have. Like, that movie, like, forces me to rewrite the Griffin Newman biopic a little bit.

The punchline in that movie where she goes, what were you in a fight about? And he goes, the twirl stimulation. And then the look on her face. Yeah. Where she's just like, she's so like at a loss as to how to respond. There are so many moments in that movie. And that scene where he's like,

I just want to satisfy like a woman. She's like, I'm sure you will. I'm sure you will. The way she says kid in that movie is great. There are so many moments in that movie where that kid says something stupid and I want to punch him because I said the exact same thing verbatim. He's like, ah, fuck you, me.

He's good, though. I like that kid. I'm excited to see what he does. Best visual effects of the year, Doctor Strange, don't ask. Agree. Don't ask me. Well, I think the Jungle Book's going to win because the Jungle Book is kind of most visual effects or whatever. The Jungle Book is certainly an impressive mounting.

I saw Doctor Strange. But Doctor Strange had kind of visual effects where you're like i've never seen this before yeah i saw dr strange the day after the election um i thought i was gonna be able to escape into a marvel movie as i always have been like my tried and true i love those movies i was so exhausted mentally and physically. I was just like, I couldn't, I was, probably my least favorite Marvel movie of the, I like it. Whatever the phase is.

I might go watch it again. My favorite effects on a budget was Arrival. That gets the sort of ex machina nod of like, fantastic, you know, not a blockbuster scale movie, but really well executed and designed. Design, the design of that is phenomenal. Yeah, it's a thing. It's like you don't see any scene remotely with Arrival.

Yeah. But very well integrated. Great costumes and production design and makeup on that Handmaiden. I was going to say. Gorgeous movie. Handmaiden gets every below the line category. Here's one. What was the best in theater experience watching a movie you had this year?

That's an interesting question. one what was the best in theater experience watching a movie you had this year hmm it's interesting because mine i remember i thought of that because i mentioned seeing dr strange the day after the election the night before the election i saw a uh all media and also like invited people whatever screening of almost christmas it was you've talked to me so god damn fun and it was and then literally haven't thought about it since because it was like in a different universe that that happened. Back when we were all capable of joy. I saw Moonlight on the day after the election. I'd seen it once before already and was really blown away by it.

And that is like what I think of as sort of the most overwhelming experience I had watching a movie this year. I saw Moonlight at a fucking 3 o'clock Lincoln Center with my friend Orlando. Shout out to Orlando. And was blown away by the movie. And then the Wednesday after election night when I woke up in this horrifying, terrible wasteland and felt like a zombie all day, I went to see Moonlight

because I felt I had to sit in a room full of strangers and experience empathy. Sure. Like to see other strangers reacting to something like that. That's a smart call. Yeah, that was probably my favorite movie going experience of the year. It was like a 60% full house at like an 8 o'clock on a Wednesday night. But there was something a little profound of all of us sitting there

and like this movie that is about loneliness and isolation and someone struggling to fit in. Seeing a bunch of people all in unison. All right. Jesus. Put your violin away. Fuck it all. I saw Hell or High Water at the Nighthawk and I had the best goddamn cheese plate of

That's where I saw that movie too. I just was like, I got to catch this one. Yeah. Got a cheese plate. There's no doubt that the cheese plate had an extra half star to my my like opinion of hell or high water hashtag cheese plate what a great cheese plate i went back i actually shouldn't tell that i should not even tell that story on mike i'll tell it off my okay um man i've heard this story too hot for the blank don't you think it's too hot for the blank i don't think so all right fine i saw the birth of a nation oh at the

night hawk uh-huh uh just just because I hadn't caught it. And I don't know if you know about this, but the buzz on that one really died down after a while. And so I go to catch it. I was in a Sundance, so I didn't see it. I'm not enjoying it. I get a cheese plate again because I was like, loved that cheese plate last time. Captain Cheese Plate over here. Cheese plate arrives, and I'm like, what the fuck is the matter with me getting a cheese plate right now,

watching The Birth of a Nation? God and I'm like what the fuck is the matter with me getting a cheese plate right now watching the birth of a nation. God. I felt like an animal. So no like bunches of grapes either that you could also have? There's some apples. Man. Some jam. It's a great cheese plate. I really enjoyed my viewing of

Popstar which I saw with like an amped audience that was laughing a lot. I really enjoyed my viewing of Hidden Figures which I saw with an amped audience that was laughing a lot. I really enjoyed my viewing of Hidden Figures, which I saw with literally a packed audience of middle-aged ladies who went like, oh, that's nice, at every fucking thing that ever happened. That was my audience for Almost Christmas, except it was just like

raucous laughter at everything Monique said. It was the best. It was the goddamn best. I miss Monique. More Monique. See Almost Christmas just for her. It's worth it. Hashtag Momo. I really enjoyed going to see Live By Night at the Union Square Regal with one other homeless guy in the audience. Great time we both had. I'm sorry.

I remember my number one favorite movie going experience of the year. It was watching Ben watch Rogue One. That was actually great. That sounds amazing. And you were next to him. I was a couple seats away, so I didn't quite get the full fist pumping experience. I'm on the record as liking- I was going to say, how many times have you now seen Rogue One?

Have you? Once. Griffin. Gotta see it again. You should see it. You gotta knock out that second viewing. That second viewing. Oh my God.

Rogue Once is funny, though. Thank you. I gotta see Rogue twice. But yeah, I enjoyed watching Ben more than I enjoyed watching the movie. I'm excited to hear your reevaluation of that. I'll reevaluate. Yeah, check it out. It's a good movie.

It really does work better the second time, I think. It's just a lot of stuff to see. Is there? Right now? I'm saying there has been... The big release this week was Rings. I know. Oof. Did anybody see Rings? Rings got a zero on Rotten Tomatoes, which is hard. That is not

easy. Just that trailer looked insultingly terrible. The trailer actually was insulting, because they were like, rings, guys. And we're like, eh, we need more. They're like, the ring tape's on a plane. And we're like, okay. And she's like, she's barfing up hair. And we're like, wait, we don't, excuse me. That title doesn't work either because like alien dollar sign S, like the whole point is like, oh, before there was just one, what if there were many?

Right. And this is the promises, like, what, they copied the tape? They made a couple more tapes? It's going viral. The part in the trailer where she starts picking at the thread interface the same way as the first one. I swear to God, we've already done that. We've seen it. It's available on iTunes.

I should say, the movie with the most viral moments, and I was talking about this on Twitter today, is The Comedian, the Taylor Hackford, Robert De Niro movie. I can't imagine. The key arc of it is that there are three different clips of his that go viral. And it's like Edie Falco's his agent. She calls him and she's like, it's going viral. Three million hits and counting. And it's like, it's the best misinterpretation of what that means ever. You're not going to see the movie, right, Joe?

No. Okay. Can you spoiler confirm or deny right, Joe? No. Okay, can you spoiler confirm or deny something for me? Yeah. Is it true that Cloris Leachman dies of laughter in the movie? Yes. Oh my god! Yes. So, like, one of his comeback moments

is, like, he gets to do a roast of an actress who, we're told, has won three Oscars and six Emmys? Cloris Leachman plays an actor? Who the fuck wins three Oscars and six Emmys? Alan Ackerman. Cloris Leachman is only like two Oscars away from that. But yeah.

Fair enough. Good point, actually. But still, those two Oscars are going to be tough for her to pick up. They're big ones. And he gets up there and he's like, ah, you sure sucked a lot of dicks. Ah, ha, ha. He's doing a lot of like, ah, you old broad. Remember back in the day.

And she's like, ah, good times. Ah, guys. You know, remember back in the day? And she's like, ah, good times. You know what else he does? Knocks up Leslie Mann after a one night stand and then you, alright, so the movie's so bad and I'm watching it and I'm just like, what the fuck is going on? Harvey Keitel plays a mobster. Are you sure you don't want to save this for the Taylor Hackford series?

I swear to God. Patti LuPone plays, Potter, plays Danny DeVito's wife. And then at the end of the movie, he's knocked up Leslie Mann. He's 30 years older than her, and you're just like, Jesus. And then Fade to Black, eight years later. And I, in the screening room, went, Jesus fucking Christ. And then it's him at the talent show, and his daughter is doing like dick jokes on the stand up stage.

Is it one of the Apatow kids doing it? No. They're too old for this shit. They are too old for this shit now. Maude Apatow is the grizzled old veteran of like. My least favorite movie of the year is Mother's Day. Okay. Oh, that was actually a fun experience for me.

That was a great. Were you at the critics screening? I went to the critics screening and that was nuts. All the critics were moaning. Like it was like they were like we were being poisoned. Yeah. Rest in peace, Gary Marshall. I will say.

I love you, Gary, but holy shit. Underrated, hilarious scene that maybe was intentional. Like, oh, no, it wasn't even in the movie. It was the end credit blooper reel where Julia Roberts is plaintive looking out the Whistle Stop Cafe window is interrupted by that long ass train going by. Haven't seen it.

Sounds funny. Very strange. It was so funny. Julia Roberts' performance in that is like a fucking extraterrestrial. It is a bizarre performance.

Also, the logistics of that movie are like arrival-esque in their like defiance of time and space. That is also true. Like the way I can't even get into it.

It's a whole half hour long conversation. I'm trying to find, God, there was this. What's your least favorite film of the year, though? Oh, I mean, I saw Suicide Squad. Okay, I was going to say,

Suicide Squad's my number one. That's right at the bottom for me. That's really bad. That was one of those things where I just, I mean, we talked about it in our episode. I could not believe how bad it was. I didn't see Batman v Superman yet.

Way better. Way better. Yeah? Way better. That movie's like great movie compared to Suicide Squad. Yeah. Agreed, Squib Squib Squab is the worst film

of 2016. Oscar nominee Suicide Squad. Which is of course why now they're handing David Ayer the spinoff with only female characters. I think there's a chance Suicide Squad wins that Oscar for Best Makeup. It's the most like toss up category. It's the most, like, toss-up category. It's Star Trek Beyond, which I don't think has any heat behind it.

I agree. Even, like, Suicide Squad has almost, like, negative heat, which is, like, better. And then Man Called Ova. Man Called Ova, which I think has a good chance because it's that sort of rule of, like, it wouldn't be here if voters didn't weirdly have a boner for it. So, like, yeah. The Killer Croc makeup is really good though I know

you gotta give him credit that's why I think Suicide Squad's gonna win it that's why I think Suicide Squad's gonna win it I actually think all the makeup work in Suicide Squad's good

even like Jared Leto's Joker which is like I mean I don't agree the artistic choices it's well executed so you guys know I don't know if they needed to put crazy on his forehead

or whatever it is they did is the Star Trek Beyond nomination for the character with the black and white face? Largely. That has great makeup, Star Trek Beyond. Fantastic makeup.

Yeah, and Idris Elba's character. Oh, okay. There's a lot of cool makeup in that and Idris Elba's character keeps changing and they do cool things with that. I can never tell sometimes with a lot of those movies

whether it's makeup or CGI. I'm bad at that. Sure. No, no. That's a lot of nice practical makeup and it's a great movie. Remember Keenster? I like that movie a lot,

Star Trek Beyond. Keenster. Yeah. Scotty's little friend Keenster. I think his name is Keenster. Oh, yeah. But he's very cute. Yes. Played by Deep Roy. I love Deep Roy. Oh, good for Deep Roy. Well, that has been the

2017 Blank Check Awards. 2017, we talk about a lot of stuff awards. A loose, rambly episode. Yep. A fun one. Thank you so much for being here. For the fans out there. Thank you guys. I love this. I really, and your podcast is great.

Oh, get the fuck out. All right, bye. People can check out your work on Cider, follow you on Twitter. at Joe Reed.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's, I forget where we are in the Spielberg Mania series, but next week, tune in for another Spielberg episode,

whatever. That's right. Catch what you can or something. Has any performance topped Pete Postlethwaite in The Lost World? What a great performance. Playing that clip back,

listening to that clip back and just the voice of it, I was just like, man. So good in that. All right, guys. Signing off. Yeah, please remember to rate, review, subscribe.

I gotta pee. David has to pee. I have to poo. I'm fine. Great. I gotta pee. David has to pee. I have to poo. I'm fine. Great. Humble rag. Tune in next week. And as always.

As always. And as always. If you have to poop as well, please. Please dick poop. Oh, that wasn't it. But now you did. Yeah. Good.

Thank you. Okay. Well, that wasn't me. But now you did. Yeah. Good. Thank you. Okay.

Always a pleasure to have Joe Reed on the podcast. Hey, guys, of course, it's your pal, producer Ben. So sorry to miss out on this particular recording, but I got tied up with some stuff around the office. Boo. I know. And I was just, I was unable to join hashtag the two friends and Joe. But quickly here at the end of the episode, I thought I'd just throw out a couple original categories.

You know, I want to keep that tradition alive, baby. All right. So I should also mention I didn't see any of these movies. So I'm just going off of like really a limited amount of information. But here we go. All right. First category, wetter movies. Number one. Okay. Manchester by the Sea.

Now, I'm going to assume at least some moist, if not damp moments happening in this mill. Okay. All right. Next up, we got Heller High Water. I mean, it's got water in the title, so clearly they're going to get soaked at some point. I mean, that's just logic. Next up, we got The Lobster. Again, that's a no-brainer. Movie right along, we got Deepwater Horizon. Okay. You got Oil Boys on a rig and there's

an explosion. I mean, yeah, they're getting drenched by the end of that movie. Lastly, Sully. Yeah, I know the story. They crash in the river. So yeah, they get wet. All right. Cool, cool. Next and final category. This is something I'm calling somebody stop me. All right. So this original category is preventing trends or projects or even just people in Hollywood moving forward. It's like, no, no, no, no more of that, please. I'm all set. A check, please.

You get it. Okay, great. So our first film in the category is Hacksaw Ridge. Mel Gibson, you're like an anti-Semitic and a weirdo Christian and like, I don't know. It's like, get out of here, man. Somebody stop that guy. All right. Great. So moving right along. Next, we have LA LA land. It's like, oh, hey, Mr. Hollywood, here's an idea for you. How about two great actors being sort of good at singing and dancing? Plus jazz.

Somebody stop that, please. I mean, it was bad enough we got a bloated Russell Crowe in La Miserables. Let's just stop this. Hire people who are good at singing and dancing. I don't care that Ryan Gosling learned to play jazz piano. Really getting worked up talking in a small room by myself. All right, cool. Next up, we've got Manchester Bison of the Sea.

Okay, Casey Affleck, I know you want an award, but will you quit bumming everyone out? It's super selfish. Also, you're sort of a creep, dude. It's like somebody stop that guy. Speaking of creeps, though, next we got passengers. It's like, oh, great. Rape culture in space? Come on.

Even in space? In on. Even in space? In the future? Still? Oh, man. Somebody stop that. Okay, lastly, of course, is Sully. Because it's like, you're going to make a movie about Sully? Sully Sullenberger?

What? Come on. That's terrible some dude that landed a plane in the Hudson and it's not even about the crash really I've been told it's just about litigation and shit

I mean I don't know alright well that's all I got for you guys next week we'll jump back into our Steven Spielberg mini series we'll jump back into our Steven Spielberg miniseries. We'll be looking at AI. Producer Ben out. This has been a

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