Blank Check with Griffin & David - The Seventh Annual Blank Check Awards with Joe Reid
Episode Date: March 13, 2022It’s Hollywood’s biggest night - that’s right, it’s the Seventh Annual Blankies! “This Had Oscar Buzz” host Joe Reid joins us as always to celebrate our favorite films of 2021. Will Griffi...n award something weird this year? Is anyone going to stump for Being The Ricardos? What crazy categories will Ben come up with? Walk down the red carpet and find out! Join our Patreon at patreon.com/blankcheck Follow us @blankcheckpod on Twitter and Instagram! Buy some real nerdy merch at shopblankcheckpod.myshopify.com
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Live from Brooklyn, New York, it's the 7th Annual Blank Check Awards.
Here at Blank Check headquarters, fans have gathered since dawn for a glimpse of their favorite podcasters.
Here's Griffin Newman quickly chowing down on a sandwich off mic before sitting down to record.
And there's doggy daddy David Sims struggling to find a parking space.
I'm walking here! I'm walking here!
I'm walking here! I'm walking here!
Host of This Had Oscar Buzz, Joe Reed,
arrives flanked by an entourage of questionable Nicole Kidman performances.
Is it Ben Hosley over there riding a dang horse down the red carpet?
Join us as we honor our favorite films of 2021.
It's the Blankies. For more than five years, the world has been fascinated by the Blankish.
They are more than just an entertainment.
They are the force that binds us together, the common link that touches the humanity of all of us.
And that is why we love to listen to The Blankage.
And so tonight, our podcast invites the world to celebrate the magic of listening to The Blankage.
Enjoy.
Sorry, I know you don't like me clapping on mic.
That was wonderful.
Should I have gone full accent on that? I couldn't decide if it was funny. Because if I did full accent, I would have given it away. Yeah, I was you don't like me clapping on mic. That was wonderful. Should I have gone full accent on that?
I couldn't decide if it was funny.
Because if I did full accent,
I would have given it away.
Yeah, I was going to say,
you lose that element of surprise.
That was my strategic decision.
Yeah.
Now, Connery, of course,
gave it away when he walked out on stage.
We were like, that's Sean Connery.
He did, in fact, give away that he was Sean Connery.
He should have been shrouded in darkness.
By being Sean Connery.
Right.
And he should have done an American accent
until he said, the movies. And then suddenly, suddenly the lights switch I think he's very good at American accent
yeah he should have done his untouchables accent up until yeah I'm a man from Chicago the only
movie I can think of where I actually feel like he put an effort into changing his voice is Marnie
a movie that is good sure but his accent sticks out right like that movie's is Marnie. A movie that is good, but his accent sticks out.
Right.
Like, that movie's like,
Marnie, listen to me,
I'm an American man.
Like, it will pop in like that.
Is DeMovie the same year
that he presents
Supporting Actress
to Catherine Zeta-Jones?
No.
That's a different year?
That was a different year.
Where he had the big cravat.
Cash train.
And he kept,
because it's obviously
Catherine Zeta-Jones and
Queen Latifah so he says Chicago twice
which is great and I also thought
he did
the movie the year after that
the year after that
the movie is the opening to the Return of the King
to the Return of the King Oscars
the 03 awards
and the king of course as we talked about
in a recent episode was Billy
why did he wait why did he present supporting actress awards so um and the king of course as we've talked about in a recent episode was billy
why did he yes but why wait why did he present supporting actress to katharina zeta jones where was broad jim broad you take your chances with these when you give oscars to sort of older
british actors like dollars to donuts they're in the west end doing something and this is why
he's like look richard air called right yeah
exactly they're not these fame whores who are gonna drop everything just to present an award
to katherine zeta jones i am demanding jones was pregnant when she won very very i remember that
yeah and when she took the stage she said of course uh my scotsman she did the welsh the
welsh girl getting her oscar from this because they had done entrapment together of course and
when he can'tces the award,
he says, Catherine.
And he doesn't even like, which...
Yes, I remember that.
My coworker at the time, I remember,
I went into work the next morning,
and he was like, they had sex.
She's just like, that's how you know
that they had sex when they made Entrapment,
is because the way he said Catherine.
And I was like, you're probably not wrong.
You know the other way I know they had sex
when they made Entrapment?
Watching Entrapment.
Watching Entrapment. Yeah. David, what were you going to say? I just remember, I're probably not wrong. You know the other way I know they had sex when they made Entrapment? Watching Entrapment. Watching Entrapment.
Yeah.
David, what were you going to say?
I just remember,
I think there was some complaint
about him saying Catherine
because Kathy Bates was also nominated.
Oh, sure.
And I think Kathy Bates confirmed,
like, I did have, like, a millisecond of, like,
wait, does he mean me?
Right.
See, my thing was,
so that was when they had the five boxes
and then the camera would zoom into the one.
Classic, yes.
And his accent, I don't know if people know this, Sean Conner's accent was very strong.
And he only said Catherine.
I hate taxes.
Right.
He said it in his way.
Yes.
Where the entire, whatever party I was at with my parents watching the Oscars that year,
when he said, and the Oscar goes to Catherine.
Right before that, someone had said, how great would showed, Casper. Right before that,
someone had said,
how great would it be
if Queen Latifah won?
And then he went,
then he went,
and we went,
what?
And the camera started zooming in
and Latifah was right next to him.
I think you've mentioned this.
I've definitely mentioned this before
because this is the
sixth annual blankies.
This is the seventh
annual blankies,
my friend.
That's why I said
more than five years
because Connor said
more than a hundred
and I was like, pick a number yeah um this is the seventh i always forget
the seventh because right yeah no our first blankies was for the 2015 film year right and
this is the 2021 film year so that sounds like six but it's actually seven this is our seventh
ceremony and then we sort of did the governor awards on patreon last year for best of the
decade right right um but but this is blank check the griffin david a podcast about film This is our seventh ceremony, and then we sort of did the Governor Awards on Patreon last year for Best of the Decade. We did do a Best of the Decade.
Right.
Right.
But this is Blank Check with Griffin David, a podcast about filmography.
Directors have massive success.
Early on in their career, they give us a series of blank checks.
We're a crazy prep.
Blank checks.
Sometimes it's a bounce baby.
But once a year, we get to pick the Oscars.
We dress up like Siskel and Ebert, and we stand on stage at Walt Disney World.
I feel like they always used to do that at Walt Disney World. Very possible.
Disney Synergy?
Sure, yes.
And we tell people
how smart and cool
and great our brains are by picking
who we would give awards to.
And as always, we bring in our dear
friend and Oscar expert.
Host of
This Had Oscar Buzz,
which, I mean, I feel
like so often now with the when we
do this record
on the timeline of any given year
becomes a sort of final attempt to
give credit to someone
who maybe missed out on an Oscar.
It's true. Or nomination that they deserve.
That's not our sole goal,
but as I was solidifying, finalizing my list, there was a little bit of like, I'm going to put this person who otherwise didn't get the tip.
Yep.
The tip of the cap.
Yep.
Joe Reed.
Happy to be here.
Reading Rangio.
I was very happy that you brought out the Reading Rangio.
I was like, is Griffin going to remember?
Got to do it.
Yeah.
Happy to be here. I sort of soldiered my way through a brain hemorrhage on the train here
as I was screaming Shania Twain into the ether.
One of the oddest moments I've experienced in this podcast
where I was like, this is kind of,
I think I start going like, that don't impress me much.
Right?
Like I actually start like beaming song.
This is the thing.
Okay, so for people who aren't on the Patreon,
what better incentive to get them to plunk down $5 a second?
In our commentary for the first Matrix movie,
we spent seven minutes trying to remember Shania Twain's name.
David is trying to give us clues.
All the clues.
Mr. Policeman, you got all the clues.
That's the thing.
You told us everything, and the game just became,
Ben and I both know exactly who we're talking about.
We know what she looks like.
We know the lyrics to her songs.
We picture the music videos.
What was her name?
And I feel like there are times where people are yelling at me through their podcatchers
because I'm failing to get a fucking box office game.
We're forgetting the title of something.
But it's more abstract.
This was like, this was that fucking Wheel of Fortune clip of feather in my cap.
Feather in my lap.
Feather in my map.
Feather on my cap we had everything we needed yep yep well on uh our podcast we do uh imdb game we try and guess
the known force for the nb and so we constantly get listeners being like i was screaming you
didn't get this one and i was like i know i know it's like part of the imdb game for people who
don't listen to this, have an Oscar buzz.
And to those people, what are you doing?
What are you doing with your time?
The game is
what are the top four projects
that are listed as best known for
on IMDb, on anyone's IMDb
page? That you're dealing with a
wacky algorithm. Unpredictable.
You're forgetting big things, but it's also
big in a weird way.
We just did Diane Keaton's
You Would Not Believe,
the Woody Allen movie besides Annie Hall
that was on her note for her.
Manhattan Murder Mystery?
No.
I can't even remember the title of it.
Oh, interesting.
It was like from 75.
It was...
Her IMDb?
Yes.
Her top four?
Yes. I can take a look yeah take a look uh
love and death
the one weird movie but like of all
the diane keaton movies to show up on the imdb
game yeah it's very
very odd but this look
things make sense here on the blankies
always you can't deal in
with these big unruly
voting bodies.
The influence of big studios pushing their product.
We can't be campaigned.
We are immune.
We cannot.
By the way, thank you to Warner Brothers Home Entertainment for sending me a swag box from the Matrix Resurrections.
I appreciate all the limited edition items they gave me.
But we can't be bought here.
Nope.
Also, the Shawshank Redemption box,
but that wasn't in competition this year, obviously.
But Sterling new 4K restoration.
Tim Robbins for best actor?
What do you have written down here?
Bob Gunn supported.
It is a good performance.
Who's better in Shawshank, Robbins or Freeman?
Freeman.
It's still Freeman, but Robbins is better.
But it's certainly a good performance by Tim Robbins.
I think it is.
It's probably Robbins' best performance, right?
Well, I'm a big fan of like Bull Durham or whatever.
I'm too.
No, I'm too.
I mean, my math is like, is it Bull Durham?
Is it Shawshank?
Or do you really zag and go like it's High Fidelity?
You know, he's really good in, he's very funny in High Fidelity, actually.
Get your patchouli stink out of my store.
I realize he doesn't even say that line, but
when Kusak
says patchouli stink, I've never
forgotten that. Oh, and it was in
either the trailer or the TV spots, definitely,
because I remember that sequence of them
just fantasizing about it.
I really like his
performance in Jacob's Ladder,
which is a goofy movie, but he's
so locked in there, and I love goofy movie, but he's so locked in in that. And I love
the player. Yeah. Well, and
also, I mean, when you talk
about like... Yeah, the player's great. I just think
I think Shawshank, better
performance, although I may be like... It's a good performance.
It's good. I haven't seen the Shawshank Redemption in
a long time. I mean, here's the thing for
me. Shawshank Redemption lasts
30 to 45 minutes, 10 best
movies of all time. Like, the IMDb status, I totally agree with for the last 40 minutes.
I like the entire movie.
Yeah.
The last 40 minutes are transcendent.
Shawshank is one of those movies that benefited in the popular culture from being the IMDb
number one movie and really suffered among, like, the nerds.
People got really mad about it being cheesy, which it is.
And, like, also the fact that Darabont never made another
Great movie until
You can argue for The Mist
But The Green Mile and The Majestic both stink
The Green Mile was such a big hit
It was
But definitely
He did not have this sort of
Francis Ford Coppola-esque career
That had been promised
I just want to acknowledge Have you introduced our guest? did not have the sort of like Francis Ford Coppola-esque career that had been promised or whatever.
I just want to acknowledge...
Have you introduced our guests?
I know you said the podcast...
I said reading Rain Joe.
I said Joe Reed, of course.
I'm sorry.
I was just...
No, no, no, no.
I got the basic place setting out of the way, but I do want to say for people who are enjoying
this sort of side tangent into Best Tim Robbins performances, talking about previous Oscar
ceremonies, things that have been annoying that we forgot on episode records in the past.
We have dropped four or five categories from this year's ceremony.
Yes.
In order to allow more time for these types of moments,
which we find tend to go viral.
Right.
We want these sort of must listen moments for our blankies.
Yeah,
absolutely.
We want to cut out the moments where the people are walking up to the stage
because clearly that's been the problem.
Boring.
Look at my watch.
I'm turning over the channel.
Walking?
Get out of here.
Take your time, production design winner.
Yesterday, as we're recording this, they released the whatever top eight contenders for the popular Twitter voted Oscar.
And so many avenues of just embarrassing.
Minimata.
The Depp thing is just depressing.
The Depp movie is straight up depressing.
That there are people out there power voting for Johnny Depp.
I also just don't believe any of those people have seen that movie.
That's the bigger thing.
Because the Snyder Army, the Cinderella Army, I'm like, whatever.
I think they genuinely like those movies.
Well, I don't think the Depp army has rented Minamata.
Well, and also, like, when you're dealing
with, like... We really shouldn't talk too much about it. No, we're not.
Pop stans. That's all we're gonna say. Like, pop stans
should not be under it. Like, Camila Cabello and whatever,
like, that's a whole other thing. But, like,
the fact that The Power of the
Dog is then the top eight, like, if The Power of the
Dog wins, and after all of this
rigmarole, your Best Picture winner
and your popular Oscar winner are the same,
I would die of laughter. That would be very funny. But also, if The Power of the Dog wins and then Cinderella wins, then you're just like, rigmarole yeah your best picture winner and your popular oscar winner are the same yeah i would
die very funny but also it probably wins and then cinderella wins then you're just like what is this
well right here's my question yeah yeah why did they throw this to twitter right i was gonna say
i said this to allison one where i was talking with her this morning. Even Blank Check finally was like,
maybe let's take the fan voting off Twitter.
A bad podcast run by idiots.
Right.
And then the Oscars were like,
let's do a popular award this year.
Well, how do we decide popularity?
I don't know.
Hashtags on Twitter.
Yeah.
Any idiot.
Put a poll on your site.
Right.
Of course, these things are always gameable.
Right.
But you don't want just the Twitter.
That's your box.
The absolute worst possible vector for that
But that is all the more evidence
That the Blankies this year
That's fine
Fantastic
A best case scenario
All the more evidence that the Blankies now have more integrity
Than the Academy Awards
Welcome
To the most high integrity awards
In film
The Globes, they're done I'll return to the most high integrity awards in film I mean the Globes they're done
stick a fork in them
our return to the movies last year obviously a weird
ceremony oh I listened back to it
the other day haunting
it was haunting is the right word for it
you were really you were going through it
you were really in a bad place I was it fucked me up
to cause that was one of the last
it had been a whole year right it was just like
that sort of demarcation I also had a hard out that day to go to a cardiologist appointment like no one was
feeling good yeah it was bad it's so it was it's so nice to be like to look at my list and be like
early in the year i split it into like streaming versus theatrical viewing in terms of logging
and it's it's nice to just see how many
fucking movies i saw in theaters this year yeah uh and and in a very surprising turn of events
going over my list very few nominations for movies i watched uh on streaming yeah if any
which you largely avoided i would say i did you like really try i remember you you would
the new netflix movies you would try and go see them. And I'll say a couple of my blind spots
for the year that are embarrassing
are because I refuse to watch them on streaming
and I have not gone around to seeing them in theaters.
There are a couple big movies I missed
that I feel a lot of shame about.
What are you going to do?
But I'm also about to go on a cruise ship
with limited Wi-Fi,
so I loaded them all onto my iPad
and I'm going to watch all the movies
I need to see on a boat.
Will you be on a boat? I'll be, will you be on a boat?
I'll be on a boat.
Uh,
dressed as Watto.
Watto on water.
But you're not going to be dressed as Watto the whole time,
right?
No,
unfortunately contractually.
You gotta,
gotta hit the buffet.
If they ever spot you out of costume,
you get docked.
They throw me off the boat.
They go,
where's your ticket?
This ticket says Watto the Toydarian on it.
Nonsense. Nonsense. Imagine this being your first episode where should we start um that's a good question we usually start with a supporting
actor i feel like much like uh the oscars themselves you can pick if you want to do
act last year we started with supporting actress i'll. I'll tell you that. Well, then we should start with Supporting Actor. Hey, I love it.
Kind of like how, you know,
the monarch's face on British currency,
and this is going to be a real short tangent,
faces in an opposite direction.
By the way, editing just got cut out.
Go on.
No, it's fine.
We want the tangent, but editing's gone.
The Oscars are like,
yeah, we can't do editing this year,
and then I take the stage,
and I'm like,
so the monarch's face on British currency
always faces in the opposite direction from the last monarch okay but but so so george the i'm
sorry george the fifth faced in a certain direction okay and then he died and the throne passed to his
son edward the eighth but edward the eighth was like well i don't like my face from that other
side literally was so vain was like i want part. So he was going to defy tradition
and face in the same direction as his dad.
Yeah.
Then, of course, he almost immediately abdicated the throne
because he wanted to marry a divorced woman.
Right.
And George VI took the throne.
And so George VI had his face face
in the same direction as his dad,
as if pretending like,
well, my brother's face was going to face the other way.
Wow.
So, and that's why that's... He was like, face was going to face the other way wow uh so and that's why that's
he was like i'm going to maintain the tradition even though there are like rare coins that were
minted for every the eighth you can get your hands on where he's facing in the same direction
i'm just i'm confused how would you know that
the lifetime achievement award for the bit um yeah. So, but speaking of facing one direction.
So, you know the whole thing about how Barbara Streisand has her good side.
Of course.
She always wants to be seen on her good side.
When she was on the Rosie O'Donnell show and on Oprah, they made them switch the set around so that she would be facing the other direction.
So, I'm watching one of those Oscars family albums from when they gathered all these living Oscar winners on the stage at the Oscars.
Yes.
10, 15 minutes
just to like read names.
It's glorious.
My favorite. Love it.
And sure enough,
Barbra Streisand
is faced fully sideways
as she's sitting there
as they pan about her.
I was just like,
that is commitment
to a personal style.
Good for her.
Very good for her.
She has a underground mall.
She does.
We talked about it on...
She absolutely does.
And actually, I don't even remember which episode
Christine? The movie about the killer car?
Duh
But might be one of our top committing to the bit
People in the world
I mean has an underground mall
Like always on
Has the good side
I mean I love it this is incredible
If Streisand wins your March Madness
Like you can talk about the mall To your heart's content We would have to do it good side. I mean, I love it. This is incredible. If Streisand wins your March Madness, like, you
can talk about the mall to your heart's content.
We could talk about it. We would have to do it.
We could do, like, a podcast, The Ride,
Downtown Disney Ordeal, where we do
an episode for every store at the mall.
Fantastic. I don't know about that. I don't know.
I think we're going to do it. Alright, so
in the interest of bringing
pageantry to the blankies
at a time when pageantry is sorely
lacking.
It's got to go viral this year.
We've talked, I'm sure we've talked about before, if not on Mike, then certainly off,
the two years that the Oscars did acting category presentations where they brought out five,
the first year it was five former winners in the category.
The next year it was like five people with like a relationship to the nominees to sort
of.
The second time, did they have to be winners or were they just no they didn't know because it was the first time
it was when she presented to streep and yes right um but the first year the the 08 oscars was five
oscar winners tangential at best relationships like goldie Hawn is giving her ode to Raji P. Henson, but it's great.
The randomness, I think, was part of the appeal.
Kevin Kline, Alan Arkin,
Cuba Gooding Jr.
Cuba Gooding Jr., Robert Downey Jr. is the one I remember a lot.
Right. And then the other two. Oh, Joel Grey.
Joel Grey. I sort of think the best
five-person lineup in its weirdness.
Yeah, it was fantastic.
It was great. So, in the interest of that, I sort of
delved back into Blankie's history
and I procured a five-person panel
to present each award
made up of former Blankie's winners.
Wow.
Anyone we had chosen as our top of the year.
So for Best Supporting Actor...
It has to be a Blankie winner, though.
Has to be a Blankie winner.
Only winners.
Right.
Next year might be Friends of Winners. Right. So picture a blankie winner, though. Has to be a blankie winner. Only winners. Right. Next year might be friends of winners.
Right.
So picture the stage, the whatever, the scrimmage.
The five sort of banners lifting.
Five figures in shadow in the back.
Yes, exactly.
Best supporting actor.
All right.
So emerging from the back of the stage,her shala ali willem defoe alden
aaron reich mark rylance and michael shannon i present best supporting actor an incredible crew
right i'm happy to see alden back i just remind people that Michael Shannon won for Chex Notes the night of. The night of.
The night before.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
He was your winner.
Yes.
I already figured out what that movie is called, Stand Behind That Wind.
Mahershala won Best Supporting Actor for Moonlight for Me and You, Griffin.
And then Michael, sorry, then your supporting actor was Alden Aaron. Alden Aaron.
That was a real coin toss here between those two performances.
And then who else have we got?
I'm sorry.
Dafoe has won twice.
Because I gave him Lighthouse and David gave him Florida.
David gave him Florida Project.
And Rylance, of course.
That Bridge of Spies.
We love that Bridge of Spies.
Yes, I gave him Bridge of Spies.
Yeah.
I did.
A good performance yes in my
opinion you know what i like about that performance how good it is the acting
it's the secret weapon he brings the acting the acting so good in his performance so here we are
and of course i will uh i'll be reading out the blankies. Oh, yes. Voters results as well. But they do a 10.
Right.
Supporting and 10 lead thing.
They do, you know, gender neutral categorizing.
Which we do just because we're...
Well, we're imitating the Oscars.
Exactly.
In their infinite wisdom.
But it is time for the best supporting actor.
We're going to talk about the cinema of 2021.
Yes.
Our Oscar nominees as well.
I just want to say, I don't have any qualifiers.
Like, I do usually in these years where I go like, I just want to say, I don't have any qualifiers like I do usually
in these years
where I go like,
I just want to say
off the bat.
Right.
There is one guy
who was really
my number six
who I cut
and it was
really painful for me
and I cut him
solely because
I felt
it was unlikely
that
he would not be picked
by one
if not both of you.
Well, we'll talk about it.
And I'm just crossing my fingers
and hoping I won't rue the day.
That's all I wanted to say.
I'm also going to read out the Oscar nominees.
Okay.
Very good.
Kieran Hines in Belfast.
Troy Kotzer in Coda.
Who I think is probably going to win.
Feels like it's a lot of heat.
Seems like it now.
A lot of heat.
Jesse Plemons in Power of the Dog.
Cody Smith-McPhee in Power of the Dog.
And I won't speak the last one aloud.
It's J.K. Simmons in Being the Ricardos.
I do love J.K. Simmons. It's just a terrible
nomination. I do, too. It falls
into that Alan Arkin
Argo category for me, where I'm like, if you're nominating that,
you should have nominated literally every
other performance he's given in between. To me, it's also
kind of like the Michael Shannon
nominations, where I'm like, that's
the one you like from him
like that's the one that i will say having having watched at a guild screening the people loved it
really every single i know a certain type of voter was very given and i don't think it's a
bad performance i think he's i mean i like that movie but i like, I think he's better in Tomorrow War than he is in being the Ricardo.
He might be better in Tomorrow War.
I think he might be.
But like,
Patriot's Day is a better supporting
J.K. Simmons performance.
Who have you chosen?
Yeah.
I have chosen.
I'm hoping I don't regret
chopping the one guy off.
I have chosen
Bradley Cooper for the motion picture
Licorice Pizza.
Sure.
Benicio Del Toro for the motion picture
The French Dispatch
Jeffrey Wright, The French Dispatch
Very good performance
Anders Danielson-Lai, The Worst Person in the World
I think it's Lee, but I'm not entirely sure
Well, I'm stupid, and thank you
for making me look stupid
Those Norwegian names can be a little tricky
And my fifth nominee
Jeremy Irons, House of Gucci.
Your man.
You've been back in that train
the whole time.
I've been back in that train
for a long time.
Very good.
Nice.
Should I go?
Please.
All right.
My five are
Coleman Domingo
for Zola.
Okay, thank you.
He was my number seven.
I'm glad he got it.
You got your cover.
Mike Feist
for West Side Story.
Simon Helberg
for Annette
great performance
yeah
Anders Danielson Lee
for
The Worst Person in the World
and I'm pivoting
Alex Wolff for Pig
wow
Alex Wolff for Pig
is a good performance
he was on my long list
who are you cutting?
Cody Smith-McPhee
who like
he's the Oscar's
we had to cut him.
But I love him.
He's so fantastic.
But also, I think the longer we've done this
and the more people listen to the show,
the more we're like,
if the guy got an Oscar nomination,
we don't have to put him in there.
Yeah.
This is our space.
Who is your guy?
I don't think I have him.
Let's see.
Give me your five, David.
All right.
My five are Anderson Anderson Lee
and the worst person in the world.
Mike Feist and West Side Story.
So I share that.
Those are my two.
Sure.
Ben Affleck and The Last Duel.
Very good.
Vincent Landon and Tatan.
Now I know we've had a supporting lead combo about him,
but I haven't been supporting, obviously,
because he shows up halfway into the movie.
We might discuss this later.
Right.
100%.
And Richard Ayoade in The Souvenir Part 2.
Fuck.
Aha.
Fuck.
I mean, I know you're sad about that,
but it's a good nomination for me. No. So there were two bubble guys I 2. Aha. Fuck. I mean, I know you're sad about that, but it's a good nomination for me.
No, so there were two bubble guys I cut.
Yeah.
Okay.
One was Coleman Domingo.
I'm very happy he was represented.
The other one is one that we've talked about a lot.
I think we both were like,
can we fucking put him on there?
Wait, is it the same as me, I wonder?
No, maybe not.
Who is your cut?
Mine, so ever since I saw the movie,
I'm like, well, Andrew Garfield's making
my supporting actor for Spider-Man.
Because I think he's so much better than he needs to be in that movie.
I agree.
I think he's wonderful in that.
But then like,
I feel like the culture has amply rewarded him.
He's doing fine.
I think he's doing fine.
Yeah.
And then my other one was Skylar Gisando for Licorice Pizza.
An incredible pick.
Who was briefly in that movie,
but like,
is maybe my favorite thing about that movie.
I also really like the Penn performance. I like almost every supporting performance in that movie. but I'm also, it's maybe my favorite thing. I also really like the pen performance.
I like almost every supporting performance,
but I think you're talking about Lambert Wilson.
No,
no.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
I was predicting,
I was predicting you were going to put Lambert Wilson on.
I kind of took his spot.
Sure.
The kind of like,
uh,
you know,
sure.
10 minutes,
you know,
hits five,
three pointers type performance.
Yeah.
I think there is a,
a character actor. so selfless,
so consistent, so strong that...
K. Simmons.
This is going to be one of the jackass guys.
That I think so often it's hard to like pick a performance
that's specifically worth lauding for him
because he just is part of the fucking ensemble.
A hundred percent. A Bill Camp type.
Right.
And this year you and I both talked about like, fuck, it would be good if it was his year and i was sort
of mounting the argument i cut him at the last fucking second john bernthal for king richard
he was he was he would certainly be in my tent like he was a he was in the mix for me for king
richard it's a great and then i'm like you give him a bump on those wish me dead like i'm just
like you add in every time he's fucking been, you give him a bump on those Wish Me Dead. I'm just like, you add in every
time he's fucking been on screen. You give him a bump
just right on strength of...
He deserves at least best
windbreaker, maybe? Absolutely.
I think that is
a really good performance
that I'm... It's not like I'm surprised that it
didn't get Oscar traction. Sure. Because it's been
kind of a weird year. Yeah.
King Richard obviously ended up doing well with the Oscars, but I feel like they just put their chips elsewhere. get oscar traction true because it's been kind of a weird year yeah yeah king richard obviously
ended up doing well with the oscars but like i feel like they just sort of put their chips
elsewhere yeah it's also the oscars very rarely do the um sort of brief supporting performance
that isn't highly emotional it's not highly emotional it's showy because he's funny and
he's doing an accent he's got a mustache but it's not but like if it's beatrice because he's funny and he's doing an accent. He's got a mustache, but it's not, but like if it's Beatrice straight,
it's like,
it's a,
it's a,
it's a very emotional thing.
He doesn't have an,
a nominal Oscar clip,
but it is such a good performance.
And the true supporting work.
And I'm also just feel like everybody likes that guy.
He's,
he's,
he's in there at some point.
I do think he's probably going to have a JK Simmons moment.
I think it's probably going to be 10 years away,
but he's going to be one of those guys where
suddenly he gets the Broadbent Award and
everyone's like, we should have given it to him six times already.
I just have to have
Mike Feist in there. Oh, yeah.
And I have to have Affleck in there.
No, look, I'm not begrudging
any of our picks. No, it's tough. This was
a tough category. This was my most competitive
category. I just think this is one of those things
where it's like, this is Bernthal's
problem. He's so selfless that
he always goes like, I'll step aside. They deserve
it more. You know, in your mind, you're sort of like...
The character he's playing in that movie, too.
Trying to think of some... Obviously, Cody, I think
Clemens is terrific and
Daug.
You know, Cam Collins,
shout out Cam Collins, past and future
guests. Great Cam Collins.
Had Ralph Innocent on his New York Film Critics Circle
ballot for Green Knight. I really loved
that pick. I'm just sort of
looking at, I'm trying to think of other
folks. I mean. I'm sorry, who
was that in that film? He's the Green Knight himself.
He's the titular Green Knight. Oh, shit.
That's a cool nomination.
You know, come on.
You know who was on my
palette for a while
who
and I regret cutting him
but I kind of was like
Ed Harris in The Lost Daughter
I think it's such a good performance
oh sure
he has two killer scenes
Lost Daughter is still
one of my blind spots
oh you haven't seen it
you're gonna love his hat
yeah
I'm sure I'm gonna love his hat
he dances at one point
question David
is Ed Harris still
very hot in that film
yeah of course he is
just wanted to check he looks like the mountain from New Hampshire, but yeah, he's hot.
Yeah, my God.
That face.
That's craggier and craggier.
You guys shout out anyone as well.
I'm sort of thinking about sort of cutting.
Yeah, I mean, my next two were Bernthal and Coleman Domingo, who I think are both incredible performances.
Coleman Domingo, another guy who I just think is pretty much always great.
I think they're both incredible performances.
Coleman Domingo, another guy who I just think is pretty much always great.
He seems like he's one of those precipice people, too.
Yes. Where it feels like in the next few years, he's probably going to get his first Oscar nomination.
Yeah.
If things go the way they should.
Because he's on the rise.
Respect for him is really, really great.
I'm like euphoria, and he's six seasons of the fucking Walking Dead spin-off.
He was so great in Ma Rainey last year.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was. Very good. he was so great on ma in ma rainy last year and yeah he was very good um uh alex wolf was was in my 10 he's good as well i mean that's another one of those where like i i mean that movie in general
was not what i expected it was going to be walking into that movie and i think i was i liked it so
much more because of that but his character particularly particularly, you see him at first, he's got the car and he's got the suit or whatever.
And it's just like, I know this shithead.
I know exactly what this guy's going to be.
And then he's not.
And Wolf really carries that out really well.
And also I wanted him on my list because of a little bit of trivia
that we can get to later on in the nominations.
Just looking through my list, if I can just shout out
a couple more quick ones that
I cut. I think
Woody Norman's like an incredible child performance.
I think it's a very good child performance. That movie
didn't really move me.
My child performance
that I had at the beginning of the year on my
ballot that sort of got taken over
is Joop, is
Noah Joop from Quiet Place Part 2.
Who I think is
a good actor.
Phenomenal.
A real good actor.
The other thing
I want to shout out,
I mean,
a movie that already
just like doesn't exist,
completely forgotten,
and not,
has not made much
of an argument
for staying
in anyone's mind.
But two performances
that I think
are phenomenal.
Ray Liotta and Leslie Odom Jr. both in many sense of two performances that I think are phenomenal. Ray Liotta
and Leslie Odom Jr.
both in many sense
of new work.
I think that movie
really fails Odom Jr.
No, no, no.
It drops that character
entirely.
Odom's character is sort of
a mess in that.
I really do love
the Liotta performance.
Yeah, I think Odom's
performance is kind of
incredible and in a movie
that actually supported him.
He's doing real kind of like
70s Lumet character actor work.
And then Leota's, yeah,
his scenes in that
are just fucking dynamite.
My outlier is Hellberg with Annette,
but I don't know if...
He was in that.
He's on my long list.
I imagine Annette's the movie
that appealed to you.
That was on my 10.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's so good in that movie.
I really like Alex Hassel
in The Tragedy of Macbeth
playing Ross.
Is he turtleneck guy?
Yeah.
The weird glower.
I love sort of a non-character in Macbeth.
He's just present in a lot of scenes and he plays him.
Yes.
Like he's this like really intense,
super turn Cody double agent.
He's the one I walked away from that movie.
He's the one I walked away from that movie being like,
I'm so impressed by that guy.
Um,
who are some others that I'm forgetting
I'm worried I'm forgetting someone good
I mean I really like Matt Damon in No Sudden Move
I mean just sort of the classic Matt Damon thing
Of like here he is for 10 minutes
Being a jerk
Griff are you thinking of anyone
I mean I do love
Shout out Lambert Wilson
Right
I have
A shout out I want to do a new typeurrections a one-two punch I have I have a
shout out
I want to do
a new type of award
and then I think
we should talk about
who we did nominate
for a second
Richard Jenkins
in The Humans
he's on my long list
really good performance
one of those weird
kind of like
I get why this got
no Oscar attention
because the movie just
was not really
pitched at them
but it's
right up their alley
it's exactly what you want
from him
and Jenkins
the steadiest of hands.
Oh, you know who else is on my long list?
Stanley Tucci in Worth, a movie that nobody
really watched when it dropped on Netflix.
And they didn't really publicize it, but I think
he's quite good in that. I struggle with that movie
a little bit. I think he's quite good in that. Yeah.
This is
a new category I want to introduce. It's not a category,
it's sort of like a new kind of
side honorific, okay? Yeah.
It's the Vin Diesel Award.
And it's not what you think it is.
How do they take you to the seventh blankies to introduce
a Vin Diesel Award? It's going to be
an interesting... I don't think this is what
anyone's expecting it to be. Alright. Okay?
It's the award for the person
I was most rooting for
to give a nomination-worthy
performance. Dedicated to Vin Diesel
and Billy Lynn's long halftime walk,
where I'm looking at the cast
and I'm going,
fuck, this feels like
that's the kind of character.
You know I predicted him
like nine months ahead of time,
where I was like,
Vin Diesel's gonna get nominated
for Billy Lynn's halftime watch.
Absolutely.
Watch it happen.
Here's the one I was quietly
pulling for all year,
and I do think he's actually good in the movie. What it asked him to do is a little bit silly. And I think the movie just fails in a way that doesn't make it transcend. My Vin Diesel award for performance I most wish I wanted to nominate is Christopher Lloyd in The Tender Bar.
Yeah, I mean, look, I haven't seen that yet.
I wanted Christopher Lloyd to have a fucking late career Oscar
worthy performance. Him getting cast in that movie
was exciting. It's like you say,
he's not bad in the movie at all, but
it's just kind of a nothing part.
Right. And I sit there watching going like,
can I talk myself into this? That would be
a bit of a stretch. I couldn't, but that's the
Vin Diesel Award. So that's a new tool
we have in our arsenal. Yeah. Performance
you were hoping you liked enough to nominate. Yeah. talk about who we did now yeah who'd you nominate
bradley cooper uh licorice pizza i mean you did the skylar gizondo nomination but this is a thing
i'm gonna i'm gonna stump for a little more this year it's become a little more of a sticking point
for me okay let's make supporting performances real supporting performances again right yeah i
mean this is where i sometimes get into this category,
slipperiness, bumping people up to co-leads or whatever.
Yeah.
But I do think we've just gotten very used to second leads being supporting performances.
Yes.
I will say this.
I think the Oscars did a fairly good job on this this year.
I think this year was pretty good.
With the exception of the two Power of the Dog nominations.
Now, Plemons is undoubtedly supporting.
He drops out of that movie.
Cody is not.
That's a total stretch.
But it's one of those things where you're like,
you would never nominate him for lead.
Exactly.
Right.
But they did an okay job on that.
And, you know, Kotzer, Simmons, Hines,
those are supporting.
I imagine, despite it being clearly...
Then not nominating Bradley Cooper is bananas.
It's right up their alley.
Right.
You know, if Tom Hanks is the president of Hollywood, Bradley Cooper is maybe the alderman at this point.
He's a governor or senator.
He's not, though.
They have some weird chip on their shoulder about him.
It's weird.
Even though, like, we had this conversation.
He's got tons of nom-revening.
He's got tons of noms.
But that's why I'm saying, like, alderman.
Like, he is a, I think he's in the cabinet.
He's somewhere.
He's been elected.
No, he's like Carrie Coon in The Gilded Age where they they're like you can come in here but we don't like you it just felt like such a slam dunk and
it is one of those things that a term i use the the thermostat performance where like yes an actor
enters a movie and just completely changes the temperature of it and he is obviously not on
screen for that long but there is this like 15 minute stretch that is haunted by his character in which he pops in and out and until you're like relieved of him until the movie
does a crossfade anytime he's not on screen you're feeling the energy well and then when you catch
the little glimpse of him walking down the street asking the girl if she likes peanut butter
sandwiches at the end what is it that he said is it does he say that you're from the streets or does
he say you're a killer like me i can't you're from the streets you're from the streets right
the classic right john peters thing of like right we're the same we're i mean that's the thing
here i'm just gonna front load he's my winner but uh because i'm now talking about him too much
you hear all those john peters stories that are so bananas, right? And Kevin Smith doing his like 40-minute Superman Returns monologue or Superman Lives monologue and all that sort of shit.
And it's one of those things where you go, this guy feels unplayable, right?
How is there any way to actually depict the way people describe this guy?
This behavior seems unreasonable.
The way people explain him talking doesn't make sense.
And that first scene when he fucking comes out of the house and he gets a movie star introduction where the camera's on him from behind and you've fucking
seen the trailer so you know the whole movie's building up to this to some degree what is bradley
cooper doing in this movie and then he just has like five minutes where he talks stream of
consciousness this kid and pivots subjects and shifts tones i mean like hair painting i'm speeding
you up though because i'm realizing it's the same thing that happens every year. It's the happy birthday sign
we do on this, where we spend 30 minutes
supporting an actor, and then by actor, we're like,
yeah, I don't know, Denzel Washington was good, let's
keep going. He's my winner.
Benicio Del Toro and
Jeffrey Wright. Del Toro was a late cut for me.
They give two of the best performances in any Wes
Anderson movies. Jeffrey Wright almost made mine.
Wright is incredible in that movie. I need
to rewatch it, because that is the segment
I resonated with the least.
Although I was really liking it.
Oh, that was my favorite.
I was just exhausted
with that movie
by the third segment.
But he's so good.
And he's someone who can be...
I love Jeffrey Wright.
But he can give you
Jeffrey Wright out of the can.
Yeah.
And that's not him.
But you know what I mean?
When Jeffrey Wright's in
the Batman even, you're kind of like, this is the Jeffrey Wright I asked for. It's not blowing you know but you know what i mean like when jeffrey wright's in the batman even coming you know like you're kind of like this is this is the jeffrey wright i asked
for yeah blowing my mind it's really fun you know andrews danielson lee i'm not gonna talk about
because you two guys will cover it the last guy i just want to throw out a moment for is jeffrey
jeremy irons who i think is the guy right because that movie is like a study of different acting
styles in so many ways right and for me at different levels of success.
Yeah.
I think he's the one guy who is successfully able to bridge every different movie.
Like I think you watch the different scenes he has and him against Pacino,
him against driver,
him against Leto,
him against Gaga.
It's a really good scene.
He's able to be on the same wavelength as whoever he's working with.
Yeah.
I think it's an incredibly tragic performance.
It's like a perfect late Irons
who's just been on this kind of incredible resurgence
the last five years.
I really like that performance.
That's a movie that I sort of grew impatient with
as I watched it.
And I came out of it-
I did too, but he's like-
The first hour one's got a lot of energy.
The performance that I ended up really liking the most
was Leto because he was doing what I ended up feeling like I wanted from the movie
which is absolute insanity.
I wanted everybody to just be
just off
the chain. Irons has just enough
tongue-in-cheek for me where I feel like
he's in on the joke but isn't selling out the
integrity of the thing. Sure, sure, sure. And I just feel like
no one else was shouting out the performance. Yeah. Okay.
I cede the floor. Well, my winner
is Mike Veist because it's it's it shouldn't almost shouldn't be that i walk out
of west side story being like you know who i love is that riff and yet he connects so well
immediately immediately you're you're locked in with him stick with him throughout the whole thing by the time
the end of that character i'm so emotional and he's just this insane talent that kind of comes
out of nowhere obviously i had seen him in dear evan hansen i said i uh tony nominated for that
very good in that but he's not even in that very much like it was kind of surprising that he got
that it was surprising it was because he was that good yes because it was one of those things where it's like they're
probably not going to fit him in right well and then when the trailer for west side story came
out and we all sort of chalked it up to the fact that they were trying to hide ansel elgort because
it was like mike feist is kind of the star of the west side story trailer you know what he pops all
over this and then you watch the movie and you're like i get it i get it now i know why they did it because he's just he's he's really fantastic he's also the person that ansel albort
has best chemistry with in the entire all of them well they're they're they're cool sequence
where they dance together it's so incredible it's amazing yeah um yeah he's so good he's he's
genuinely you do feel threat from him But he's also just such a wounded
Yep
Little boy
Yep
But also just such
Yeah
An odd energy
I mean I feel like it's like
How you described seeing him
On Dear Evan Hansen on stage
Of just like
This isn't how I would think
You would play this
This is the bully
Right
Huh
Like this
And similar energy of like
Where you're like
This kid seems haunted
Oh right
Oh right
Yeah
And yet it's funny that His one musical number In Dear Evan Hansen is You know the similar energy of like where you're like this kid seems haunted oh right oh right yeah uh and yet
it's funny that his one musical number in dare evan hansen is um you know the the song where
he's dead but right evan's writing in his voice that in the movie is staged so horrifyingly that
that's when people i think switch off they're just like what is this suicide comedy thing
also it works better talk about a great career decision you make from i'm not gonna
do this out of that movie yeah this movie that that movie has like a total hunk in that role
which is and it doesn't really work yeah not the way have you seen dear evan hansen i have not
i still haven't seen it i i've been i almost now now that it didn't get nominated for anything i
was sort of wondering if it might get a song nomination now i'm saving it for when we do it oh you got it like i don't want to see it until we do it
for you guys uh who else have you got your winner is feist my winner's feist uh i mean colman domingo
and zola we talked about uh hellberg i mentioned and then so those two scenes he's got the
monologue where it's circling around him and then like the big scene with driver where driver like he's so good he's so good i didn't know he had it comes out of nowhere right exactly
we're all laughing hey what a weird thing big yeah like what's he doing to get above the title
and and i again i walk away from that i like i love driver in that movie too but yeah hellberg's
uh my best in show there and then uh yeah anders is uh handsome
doctor man well so let's let's sort of you david because then we can sort of best supporting pool
all anders yeah i'm sorry um let me get back to you on that are there other dicks that i'm
forgetting i think there are okay well you see right the i mean the punctuation flaps up of his
flaccid penis though at the end of a devastating moment for him i think it's
just standing there application of a of a dick in a supporting dick great dick anders danielson lee
who's a good actor a very good actor who i've seen he he's on he's i've made he made my ballot
for oslo august 31st another yoke and treer movie he's also this very You know Internal Upset
You know
He's playing a guy
Who's near suicide
Like you know
And he's the killer
In 22 July
We don't talk about that
I really almost
Hate that he took that role
Because he's
A working doctor
Yeah
He talks in all these interviews
About how it's so difficult
To you know
Balance
Both careers
Yeah
And then yeah
He's in that awful
Paul Greengrass movie
About the Norwegian
Shooting massacre
Yeah As the shooter
You only really see him in court scenes
And it's like yeah they cast a really
Respected Norwegian actor here
But it's sort of like what the fuck is this
I forgot that movie existed
I liked it better than you liked it
But I get it
But he's mostly an actor
He's in Personal Shopper
He's in Bergman Island obviously He's in Personal Shopper.
He's in Bergman Island, obviously.
He's in Bergman Island this year playing a similar sort of like boyfriend, ex-boyfriend you have regrets about.
Yeah.
Although he's a sort of fantasy character in that movie.
But he's in all of Trier's movies.
Except for maybe Thelma.
And louder than that.
He's in the Oslo movies.
And he's so good in this.
You had him too.
We all had him.
Yeah.
He's the one we share.
Yeah.
I mean,
look,
he's good.
The whole movie.
And then the last chunk of it,
and we don't need to get into spoiler.
We don't need to get into talk,
but there is a monologue in which one of the things he invokes is how much of
his life he spent investing into objects and putting power into objects and
feeling like he needed the power
of those things surrounding him in his home.
That felt like a direct attack on me.
Yeah.
Was eviscerating.
Yeah.
And I saw it with someone who thought
that I was sobbing uncontrollably.
And in reality, at the beginning of that monologue,
my nose started bleeding profusely.
Oh, no.
Classic Griff.
So I was trying to pull my nose, but also tearing up.
Sure.
I was like trying to like,
cause I could tell the movie was in its final stretch.
Sure.
But it was one of those things where I said like,
I cannot leave this theater.
Yeah.
So I'm like choked up and choked up on blood.
And it was one of the main reasons I had to see the movie a second time.
Like you told me right away.
Sure.
I was like,
I need to give that real thought.
And it's just,
it's just a fucking knockout.
He plays her boyfriend
in the movie,
to be clear,
her sort of
big boyfriend
at the start of the movie
who's older than her.
He's a cartoonist.
He's kind of cool.
He's kind of Gen X-y,
but he's also kind of like,
look,
I'm doing my thing.
They settle into a rut.
Is he like a real asshole?
Am I going to realize
the longer this movie goes on
that he's like
a big problem?
Right, but he's not he's not he's
just you know a slightly
over it kind of slightly
complicated yeah
and he has this great scene where
he kind of like gets
canceled yeah on like a radio
show yes and when
you're one and he plays it so perfectly like where
he's defending himself and like it's
kind of just like out of step with the questions and out of step with well and he'll like make a good point
but then he'll use the wrong word and you're watching it and she the main character is
watching it at the gym and you feel the way she feels which is just like i know what he means and
he's oh he shouldn't have said you know i know he's and it's a very relatable well communicated moment he is my winner
he was my number two winner
I think
who else did you have?
I had Alex Wolff
and just a good actor
it takes really interesting roles
he never gets mentioned when you talk about
the best actors of that sort of age range
really good in Hereditary, obviously.
I mean, he was my winner, I think, for Hereditary, too.
And I nominate him for Lead for Hereditary.
You did.
I think it is funny how much like a decade ago everyone was like, Nat Wolfe.
Right.
Nat Wolfe.
That's the guy.
Spider-Man shortlist.
He's doing a fucking John Green adaptation.
Fault in Our Stars.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then Alex Wolfe has just steadily worked with all
these first-time directors. That's true.
In very odd roles.
He's really good in Bad Education.
Patriots Day, he's incredible in.
He is. I mean, it's crazy casting.
Crazy casting, but yes. He's even good
in the Jumanji movie. You know what I mean?
He is! He's not bad!
He's become surprisingly
reliable. Wait, Joe, who am I missing from your ballot?
Domingo, Feist, Helbert, Danielson, Lai, and Wolf.
And who's your winner?
Mike Feist.
Yeah.
So I had, on top of everyone discussed, Ben Affleck in The Last Duel, this kind of insane snub from the Oscars.
He's having a time.
It's one of those things where it's just
like he has had a good time he's like he's almost playing himself he's not playing himself but he's
almost he's playing a version that we of him that we think exists like fuck boy ben affleck
everything people find uncomfortable about ben affleck or at least perceived to be a problem
with yeah and yeah to me also it's like the brilliance, one of the many brilliant things about that movie is,
you know,
the difficult decision
that a lot of period movies
sometimes will make
of like drop the accents,
who cares?
Right.
Talk how you like.
Right.
And sometimes like in a Valkyrie,
it doesn't really work.
Right.
You know,
especially if it's like
some of them are American
and some are British.
Right.
Like Alexander famously
has really strange accent work.
This one is great because he doesn't,
the accent doesn't matter.
It's all energy.
It's all energy.
You know, that guy comes in that first scene
because he's really not in the first chunk of the movie,
the Damon chunk.
Right.
But you just see that moment where he,
like Damon is kneeling to get knighted or whatever
and Affleck's like, come closer or something.
And you're like, ooh, who's this guy?
Like, you know.
Well, it's just so funny to think that that movie was designed to be
Affleck and Damon playing the two guys.
Affleck very wisely swerved away
from the Adam Driver role.
It was like, well, this role's fun.
But it also, it changes the whole dynamic
of the movie in such a fascinating way
when it's not.
These two contemporaries who we've watched
in lockstep.
Right, in a famous partnership.
Right.
It becomes a weird generational gap
between Driver and Damon.
Which is way better.
And Damon and Affleck
are the two guys on the same era,
but yet the alliance isn't there.
The alliance is between
Affleck and Driver's character.
And the pivotal scene
of The Last Duel, of course,
is when after you've seen
his attack on her play out
and you're like,
well, wait, this is no different.
He did attack her. Right. And then he goes to Aff, wait, he, this is no different. He did attack her.
Right.
And then he goes to Affleck and he's like,
I mean,
she said no,
but like,
obviously she said no,
she has to say no.
And Affleck's just like,
yeah,
I understand.
Like,
and you're just like,
oh,
they're just playing up the villain,
the banal villainy of this.
Yeah.
Not like doing a Roshamon.
I think that's for everyone who sort of had their knives out at the idea of this movie and the gall of people to make this movie.
It was a, you know, it was a gamble.
It was a big ass gamble.
Yeah.
That is the kind of moment where you go like, oh shit, this movie is about the difference of how bad it was versus is anyone innocent or guilty?
It's like that's not in question.
And that Affleck scene where he just comes in with this modern energy and essentially plays like a fucking crisis management pr person for like a
tiktok star yeah who's just like just deny and never talk about this and the other scene also
when he's like goes to drive and he's like you know i'm rich but i can't do math it's so annoying
if you just like look at all this and figure out how i can make more money and drive is like well
yeah you're some easy stuff to be done.
He's like, I know, I just don't want to.
He's so good at that weird casualness.
He's really good.
Richard Ayoade in The Souvenir Part 2
is just a wrecking ball performance.
Every second he's on screen, you're like,
my hair is on fire.
This guy is so funny and scary and sarcastic.
I don't want him to look at me.
He's going to be mean to me.
He's so powerful. Obviously, he's really funny in look at me. Yeah. He's going to be mean to me. Like, you know, he's so powerful.
Obviously, he's really funny
in the souvenir part.
One, it's one scene, basically.
Possibly my most embarrassing
blind spot of the year,
considering that
that first one was
one of my top movies of that year.
Well, it's not embarrassing
because it got such a weird release
and I kept on missing it
and it would disappear
and then come back for two days.
The first one was one of my blind spots.
And so I haven't seen the second one
because I still haven't seen the first one. i like one of these weekends i'm just gonna watch
the both of them and i just need to make time to do it see i loved the first one i feel like you
gave a bunch of nominations and i just kept on fucking up getting to see the part two vincent
landon into tan we can talk about more later it sounds like yep so we'll do that then i'll say i
did just see him in claire denise new movie and once again just that leathery face of his the second it's on screen i'm like god
we'll return to the seventh annual blank check awards after a word from our sponsors
best supporting actress
all right so emerging from the stage to present best supporting actress we have
candace bergen of course elizabeth debicki lily gladstone jennifer lopez and laurie metalf. Now that's a cool group of people.
That's a real cool group of people. I chose that
one very particularly. I'm very excited
that Lily Gladstone is in this Scorsese
movie. I hope she has a lot to do.
I think she has a fairly major role.
I think she's the female lead? Yeah.
Because, God, what?
That must have been our first year, right?
No, certainly it was 16, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, you're right. It's second. But, I mean, she was my winner that year. What? Yeah. No, certainly it was 16. I'm pretty sure, yeah. Yeah, you're right.
It's second.
But, I mean, she was my winner that year.
What a performance.
I think we all had her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She was fantastic.
Who else we got?
We got Lori, Lady Bird.
Lori and Lady Bird.
I think Jennifer Lopez in Hustlers was mine.
I think both of you picked her and I picked Pew.
I think it was two Lopez's and a Pew.
You are correct.
There we go.
You are correct.
Yeah.
And you called Pew Candice LeBron Bergen.
Right.
And of course, in the next year,
Candice LeBron James Bergen won on your ballot
for Let Them All Talk.
She was on all of ours.
Right.
You had her for Mank.
I had her specifically for NERTS.
Oh.
Right, right.
Exclusively for NERTS.
Yeah.
Anyway, there they all are.
It's a good group.
It's a real good group. Best Supporting Actress. The Oscar, oh, wait. Oh, I'll do the blank it. Yeah. Anyway, there they all are. It's a good group. It's a real good group.
Best supporting actress.
The Oscar,
oh, wait.
I'll do the blankies.
Remind me though.
Yes.
I'll do them now actually.
But the Oscar nominees this year,
how'd they do?
You know,
right,
they did well,
but they had the weird snub.
Right.
Jesse Buckley in Lost Daughter,
great nomination.
Ariana DeBose in West Side Story.
Great nomination.
Judy Dench in Belfast.
Kirsten Dunst and Power of the Dog
and Anjanue Ellis and King Richard.
So who was the obvious snub here?
Now I'm forgetting.
Ruth Nega.
Well, Katrina Balfe was widely protected.
And Katrina Ball.
Those were the two.
Ruth Nega, yeah.
Right, right, right.
But it was, like,
the Dench thing even I can forgive.
I mean, it's the Oscars and Judi Dench.
What are you going to do?
I'm not going to do anything.
They love Judi Dench.
Look, they love Judi Dench.
I'm not.
What was odd was, four months out, out i was like that's inevitable and then
she was a year ahead of time but then she was snubbed in every fucking thing and i was like
weird i guess she has no traction like don't you worry don't you worry grandma we're paying
attention someone has pointed out the age gap between her and kieran hines is bananas and it's
not addressed in the movie she is basically 20 years older than him.
Anyway.
Yeah, because, I mean,
Kieran Hines is like a Liam Neeson contemporary.
He's like in his 60s.
Right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Best Supporting Actress.
Oh, let me do the blankies. Please.
Supporting Performance Winners list now.
Yeah.
Ariana DeBose is their winner, number one.
All right.
Then Mike Feist.
Ben Affleck is number three.
Cody Smith-McPhee.
Jeffrey Wright.
Kirsten Dunst.
Bradley Cooper. Vincent Landon.
Catherine Hunter for The Tragedy
of Macbeth. Okay. And Rebecca Ferguson
for Dune, which is a really good performance.
It is a good performance. Yeah. Okay.
My five. Yes. Okay. I'll just say right off the bat.
Please.
Ruth Nega passing.
Her getting snubbed, I was like,
I mean, I think she was pretty much always on my five,
but once she got snubbed,
I was like, I have to fucking put her in here.
But that just felt like such a slam dunk.
I'll say this was the category maybe
where I had the hardest,
I had the most contenders.
I had a ton of four out of five type things
where I'm like, I really like this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right.
Agreed, agreed.
There were less like locks for me
and a lot of people who were sort of circling.
Yeah.
Ruth Nega, Passing.
Riley Keough, Zola.
Wow.
Thomason McKenzie, Old.
She's really good.
Oh, that's an interesting pick.
Did she get old in that movie?
Very.
Yeah.
Or I guess somewhat.
We can all hope to one day turn into M. Beth Davids.
M. Beth Davids, yes.
Right, the exact age.
Lea Seydoux for The French Dispatch.
And Harriet Sansom Harris for Licorice Pizza.
We're probably all nominating her.
How could you not?
How could you not?
She's fantastic.
You thought you were going to look really fucking special.
No, I didn't.
I was 50-50 that you were going to have her, too.
I just wasn't.
Yeah, okay.
That's good.
All right.
My five are Ariana DeBose for West Side Story,
Dagmara Domenchik for The Lost Daughter,
Polly Draper for Shiva Baby.
Wait, who from Shiva Baby?
Polly Draper.
Interesting.
Which makes our very first mother-son co-nominees
in a blankies here. That was a little bit of history. Alex Wohl's mother. Alex Wohl's mother. Interesting. Which makes our very first mother-son co-nominees in a blankies year.
That was a little bit of history.
Alex Wolfe's mother.
Alex Wolfe's mother.
Okay.
Kirsten Dunst in The Power of the Dog.
And Mia Wasikowska in Bergman Island.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, so this is the first time a co-creator of the Naked Brothers Band has been nominated at the blankies.
And the second time a member of the Naked Brothers Band.
Third.
Well, we've gotten
before.
Yeah.
Two for Wolf,
one for Holly.
My nominees,
Harriet Sampson Harris
and Licorice Pizza,
Ruth Negan passing,
Catherine Hunter
and the Tragedy of Macbeth,
Mia Wachikowska
and Bergman Island
and Jesse Buckley
and the Lost Daughter.
I feel like we got
a lot of overlap here.
So Ferguson is the only
nominee
who is not on any of listeners yeah and ferguson
was actually a late cut for me sure that's a great performance yeah i mean late cuts for me
debose and uh dunst i cut because they got the oscar nominations same but i like both those
performances a lot same katherine hunter was a serious consideration for me yeah i really love toko miura in drive my car she was a
late cut for me she's the one who spoiler alert drives the car she drives the i should admit right
here my single biggest embarrassment right yeah i had very close you are afraid of driving cars
that's why i'm a little too terrified the ultimate experience of grueling terror drive my car yes
someone saying that to me is my nightmare.
Yeah.
Griffin, drive my car.
Yeah, that is same.
I've had, in fact, I've had stress nightmares where I find myself driving a car and realizing
that I don't know how to drive a car.
Same.
And that's always a good one to wake up from.
Yeah.
Anjanue Ellis comes close for me.
Again, Oscar nominee, but love her.
I picked Dagmara Domenchik
for Lost Daughter, but Dakota Johnson was
very close, too. I really loved her.
I'm a Jesse Buckley superstand,
but those are all good performances. Understandable.
Just before I forget, because you just triggered the memory,
Sanaya Sidney I had on for a
long time. You kept telling me she was going to be on.
She's incredibly good
in that movie. Yes, and Gabby Hoffman
in Come On, Come On as well
is just kind of some of the best phone-only acting
I've ever seen.
Yeah.
Considering how rarely she has to act
with another person on camera in that movie.
Yeah.
And Sinai Sidney plays Venus Williams in that movie.
Yes.
I really like Anjanue Ellis in that movie too.
It's a classic Oscar nomination type performance.
But she does what she's supposed to do really well.
I loved her since Undercover Brother.
I think she's always fucking good.
She's great in Beale Street.
I was kind of hoping that King Richard
would win the SAG ensemble because
I genuinely think...
Bernthal and the kids and everything.
Well, I think Will Smith is the weak link of that cast.
He's the only one who I don't really love his performance in that movie.
I really like it.
Yeah.
And everybody else I think is really bringing it.
Tony fucking Goldwyn.
Yeah.
Goldwyn's good.
Goldwyn's great.
That's a really good scene early on.
Yeah.
I like that movie.
It made me cry.
Yeah.
I like that movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Got me really choked up.
But yeah.
No.
Sinai Sydney I think is great.
And I don't hold this against Andre New Ellis.
But it's just such a supporting actress performance as
designed that I think this
Nice Sydney performance popped a little more for me because
it was more unexpected. Keep your snubs
going though. Oh, no, you're cut.
Sorry. Yeah, Rita Moreno for
West Side Story because
the
performance itself is fantastic, but
I've mentioned this before, the moment as I'm
watching the movie,
when I realize that they're giving her somewhere,
I wept out loud.
It was intense. I really like her scene where she teaches in Spanish, though, too.
She has a lot of good material.
And you guys mentioned it when you talked about West Side Story,
that the expectation was this was going to be a cameo.
And she ends up being a really integral part of that movie. Later from that olga meredez there it is yeah it is in the heights
that final number is unbelievable really another one i know that movie just didn't do well yeah
or well enough and like came out in the summer or whatever but i was kind of like there's a world
where you can really run a campaign for her and there there was no mention of her. I know, it was just gone. The fact that they tried to bury all memory
of In the Heights is going to stick in my craw for a while.
Because the fact that it didn't make money
at the time that it was released
was held against it in a way that I thought was cruel,
actually, a little bit.
I agree.
And also, like, it made 30 million bucks,
which is like, you know, in the end of the day, like, whatever, get over it. It is one of it made 30 million bucks which is like you know
in the end of the day like whatever get over it it is one of those things i mean david was kind
of the west side story thing where people like yeah i don't get why this didn't save cinema
right that's the thing right the difference is that west side story had the benefit of being at
the end of the year but i think both of those movies have the anger towards them of why didn't
you fix things right why were people dancing in the eye here's what i will tell you franchise adult when i saw that movie at the imax in lincoln square yeah for
two hours that did save all of it for me you know what i mean like while i was in that movie while
i was in that moment it was everything that i wanted it to be and the fact that yeah like we
weren't there yet as you know we're still're still crawling our way out from under the rock.
I think I can say this comfortably.
2021, weird year.
Yeah, weird year.
A little bit of a weird year.
Weird better than 2022, but weird.
I would also throw out Olga Maraduza's song.
It's fantastic.
Daphne Rubin-Vega in In the Heights is rad.
Yes, she is.
She's really fun.
And one of those was just like, oh, right.
You're incredibly talented and you have been for quite a while and
and what a great
number that she has also I will throw out
my MP for the humans
turned out to be Amy Schumer
in a way that I was very surprised by
she's so great in that
incredible performance worth checking out that movie
some of my cuts
Tilda Swinton's Souvenir Part 2
was a late cut for me
As she was for Part 1
I think that performance is devastating
She is really funny
The part where she puts up
The naked picture of herself
Is very underrated
As a comic actress
So she is great
And we love her
Jennifer Ely in St. Maude.
She was on my very long list.
That is a really good movie.
That is a really good performance.
It's her doing what she's supposed to do,
but it's really good.
I feel like there's...
I mean, leave me alone.
I really like Sally Hawkins in Spencer.
I think that's a lovely, warm performance
in a good movie.
I don't love that movie.
If I loved that movie, she would have made my five. I think that's incredible work from her.
I feel like there's one, I mean, you know,
Ruth Nega, she was on my list.
Yeah, I guess, I mean,
yeah, I guess that's it.
I mean, you know, Judi Dench was so good
in Belfast.
Yeah, I guess those are the main ones. I mean, let's talk Junie Dench was so good in Belfast. She's so good. Yeah, I guess those are the main ones.
I mean, let's talk through our people that we put on there.
Thomas and Mackenzie, this was obviously a year of a lot of her.
Yeah, she's the new Rooney Mara.
She's like a big bird.
Right, she is.
And I, you know.
Not offense, no offense.
Also, very tall baby, right?
Well, yeah.
It's that whole thing.
The voice and the...
Marie does an incredible impression of her.
Like, just a devastating impression of her.
Yeah.
I think old is, like,
the greatest possible application of her.
100%.
She's so uniquely suited to playing that exact thing.
And I had seen her in things, obviously.
In Leave No Trace and whatnot.
And yet,
and old is very particular. And yet, it was in Last No Trace and whatnot, and yet, and old is
very particular, and yet, it was in Last Night in Soho when I'm watching it, and I'm just
like, oh, that's just how you talk.
Right.
Last Night in Soho is where you're kind of like, wait, can you just chill out a little
bit?
That's the thing.
Like, I don't think she's bad in Last Night in Soho, but she's too fragile for that movie.
Right.
It makes it too fragile.
Yeah.
But like, old, I just i just look part of it is
just incredible casting yes but when you have her walking on the beach yeah feeling so afraid by her
own body yeah because it's getting old yes yeah i you just actually buy from her more than once
again alex wolf very good in that movie yeah right like everyone else very good in that movie but
she's the one person where i actually think you buy this is a six-year-old in the body of a teenager and it's
terrifying well and while we're talking about old we should probably give some sort of props to
ebby lee for breaking all the bones in her body for that most committed performance like that's
a that's some commitment right there i also just i had to i had to doff the cap to old somewhere
um uh ruth nega it's kind of just like immaculate work
and such an incredibly talented actor who is still you know it basically anytime she pops up
you're like this is a hundred percent better than anyone else could have right and look that's like
that's a rich character as written that's a slam dunk on the page but every single moment every
pause you read every thought that she has
and go, what the fuck is this woman doing?
She is so sort of like
inscrutable in this odd way
as this character is shifting
between modes and zones.
To not nominate her for Oscar.
Weird. And I just felt like that seemed like
Locke.
As much as the movie maybe didn't connect to
I never trusted that.
Because Netflix was sort of
wishy-washy
about passing
and passing was way down
the movie's very mannered
and sort of specific
and you know
she's just like
she's great
fucking perfect
in that
oh Lea Seydoux
okay
an actress
who runs very
very hot and cold
for me because
I think she has to be used
very specifically
and I think
No Time to Die is an example of
her being used almost catastrophically.
I think she's really good
at that movie. I know you do. I think it's a
wonderful performance. I think that was a bad
casting choice in Spectre.
I think it's just an odd story choice
to be like, at this point now
that, and then Bond has
this sort of thing where like, right now
this is the most important woman who has ever existed in this universe.
And it's because you are looking at her right now.
And yes, this is part of my take is that I think if they were ever going to pull that off, they needed to do so by casting someone who was as opposite from the conventions of a Bond girl as possible.
And Lea Seydoux does feel like she fits into a
Bond movie. She has that weird
steely, icy... We can't
litigate no offense. We're not. My point
is... But you loved her in the
French Dispatch. The French Dispatch, I think,
is weaponizing everything that makes her
for me a bad fit in the
Bond universe, where it is like
here's this woman who seems terrifying,
mannereded artificially
sort of closed off and cruel sure
and just constantly gives you these little peaks
of her her emotions underneath
um it's just
such a funny performance yeah but
there's like real emotionality behind it
uh yeah i think she's great in that
who else you got
uh harry uh
samson harris we can talk about when we get
to yours and then my
other one was Riley Keough and
Zola who's I
mentioned this on my podcast the other day
that's a risky
performance yes that I think she
that I think she pulls off with a plum but
that is could have gone
pretty wrong correct yeah
so she gets points for me from that.
Yeah.
But I also just think she's an actor who kind of gets better every year.
I mean, she keeps on making interesting choices, working with interesting directors.
Yeah.
She went from being someone who I was just like, what's Elvis's granddaughter?
Right.
I'm going to put her in fucking movies.
Right.
And there'd be all this hype around her and she'd show up for two scenes and you'd be
like, what is this?
You know?
Magic Mike, a thing where she's like, not bad, but has two lines and
you're like, what are we doing here? And then it's
just sort of like gotten better and better and better and better
and I think she's just got so much fucking
chaotic energy in that movie.
Let's all go watch Logan Lucky.
Great movie. I'll watch it.
I've watched it regularly.
The good movie. I've watched it like twice a year.
Yeah. Who else you got?
Those are my five. We're going to talk about Harriet Sandsma Harris when we... Well, let me pick up Harriet right now. Let's do it. Pick up Harriet. I got it like twice a year. Who else you got? Those are my five. We're going to talk about Harriet Simpson Harris.
Well, let me pick up Harriet right now.
Let's do it.
Pick up Harriet.
I got it right here.
In a movie that is all sort of these contained,
fascinating scenes with performers swinging in,
she is the MVP of supporting performers in that movie.
That scene is bananas.
I love Harriet Simpson Harris.
We all know her from Frasier, right?
Oh, yeah.
She was BB on Frasier.
We all know her from Phantom Thread.
A wonderful performance.
I regret not having the courage to nominate that year
because I was like,
is it too small of a performance?
Which made me go,
this year, even smaller performance,
I have to fucking nominate her.
She was always forever just that person
who would show up on a TV show in a guest role and just like we're in good hands for this
episode it has all the energy of the cooper performance where you're like i don't know
what the next word out of this person's mouth is going to be and they're talking quickly like and
she says no six times in a row and everyone is so radically different but i just saw someone tweet
i'm sorry i'm not giving a credit here.
I feel like it was another actor.
I follow.
Donald J.
Trump Jr.
Yes.
My favorite actor.
It was some character actor.
I follow was saying just like that performance is so fascinating because every single choice
she is making is so specific and yet you cannot figure out what it is.
Yeah.
It is so clear that she knows exactly what is going on in this woman's mind,
her history, her life, who she's talking to,
what they're asking her, why she's answering that way.
Other characters don't.
Right.
Yeah.
You cannot fucking figure it out.
It's an incredible scene.
It's such a funny scene.
Do you remember her X-Files episode?
Yes.
Eve?
Yes.
That the band Eve Six takes their name from?
Yes.
Wow.
She rules in there. She's great. She's always
good. She is always good.
I feel like there's another thing I'm thinking of with
her that I'm forgetting now. What is it?
Well, Adam's Family Values. Oh, yes.
She's so funny in that.
Is it Sam McMurray? Yes.
Is her husband in that?
It is, right? Yes.
They're Harmony from Buffy's mom.
They're Mercedes McNab's parents.
What a cool couple, too.
Who else?
On your phone.
I just...
Oh, sorry.
Right.
It's the Wednesday Addams.
It's like, you know, she's at that age where she can only think of one thing.
Boys.
And she goes, homicide.
Yeah.
Which is great.
Anyway, yeah.
All right.
So I also had Ruth Nega.
I had New York Film Critics Circle winner, Catherine Hunter.
One of those performances that only one person could have given. it's her yeah as the witches in a way where you're almost like who
played this who has been playing this part for centuries right right who else dared right uh
and like when you you know just an actress obviously she's best known as a stage actress
she's this incredibly physical performer she'd be like Who's been in lots of movies She's in Harry Potter
I've seen her before
And it really feels like the Coens like
Summoned a witch
Who is she in Harry Potter?
She is Mrs. Fig
Who defends Harry from the Dementors
His next door neighbor
Who's been like a secret agent the whole time
She's really good
She's a whole long scene
In the courtroom where she
In Azkaban No in the Wismagat in the courtroom where she in azkaban and no in the wismagot oh
in the courtroom where harry's no but in the movie and prisoner of azkaban uh no it's in um
order of the phoenix oh okay order of the phoenix all right um anyway uh she's really good uh really
great performance i'm glad it got attention jesse buckley is just kind of almost at that stage
where i'm like she's probably on my ballot every year.
I mean, I nominated her, what, back-to-back for Wild Rose.
I'm thinking of ending things.
Were those back-to-back years?
I have no sense of time anymore.
Yeah.
And I did nominate her because I haven't watched that fucking movie yet,
and I'm guessing I probably would if I watched it.
It's an incredible performance.
Do you like Jessie Buckley in The Lost Daughter?
Are you not a Lost Daughter fan?
I'm not a Jessie Buckley person.
I know.
Disgusting.
Well, I'll move on to someone we agree on.
Yes.
Mia Wasikowska, my winner for her performance in Bergman Island.
Yes.
Which she plays an emo fictional character in an emo movie
who falls in love with Andrew Stangelson.
She's so wonderful.
A performance I love.
I don't love that movie.
I don't love you.
That's not true.
That's not true.
You know that's not true.
She probably still even so made my 10.
If I liked that movie, she would have been a slam dunk.
I love, I really like the movie.
That winner takes it all scene is just a gorgeous piece of filmmaking.
It really is.
I really like Mia Wasikowska.
I've got no beef with her.
Yeah.
But I do think I had...
I don't want to be rude,
but I just sort of gotten...
I was like, I know what she does.
Sure.
I got maybe just kind of used to her.
I know what she's going to give me.
And she hasn't been in a lot of stuff recently.
There were a few years where you were getting a lot of her.
You know, Alice.
We went through the look and feel.
She and Saoirse were in a death match for a while you know
in terms of just like that particular type of drop them from the ceiling they'll crack kind of
and like i just i was so moved by her work in that movie joe yeah i'm passing the torch well
so i got so yeah who's your winner by the way griff i think my winner is ruth naga that's a good winner yeah in my opinion my winner is uh is polly draper uh naked brothers band
polly draper oh and shiva baby i have seen she's astoundingly she's good in the movie every single
thing she says in that movie makes me laugh i think she just comes to play she's throwing heat
the whole time it's from the second i saw that movie i couldn't shut
up about her i thought she was just like and again it's a type right the hypercritical mother
everything is passive-aggressive and whatever but just like she's a sniper in that movie and
she's just like picking off people left and right it's really fantastic and she and melamed makes
such a great sort of like a pair together. I love that movie.
I thought that movie was so fantastic.
Who else do I got?
Dagmara Domenchik.
I mean,
lost daughters kind of,
I say I'm not a Jesse Buckley person,
but like,
she's great in that movie.
But like Dagmara Domenchik to me is another one.
I think you just like that you can say her name.
I've also nominated her before.
Am I misremembering?
Well,
before pre blankies,
she had been on my ballot for a movie called higher ground that she did that Vera Farmiga directed, where she plays Vera's best friend.
And of course, most people now know her as, what's her character in Succession's name?
Carolina.
Carolina, the one of the flunkies.
The one who's having the quiet affair with the...
No.
No?
No.
Carolina is the one who you think at the beginning of the last season has affair with the uh no no no carolina is the one who uh you think at
the beginning of the last season is has defected to uh yeah and then she gets out of the car and
is just like peace out oh is it i mean this was a pre-blankies year but was it immigrant as well
where you had her on your ballot no no okay no i just know you love her i do love her also uh
married to patrick wilson nice work if you can get it.
Hot. Uh-huh.
But yeah, lost daughter. They're going on almost 20 years, those two.
Yeah. She's just... Pretty hot amount of time
for those two hot people to be married. She's terrifying in this
movie, though. Every single, like, her,
she's the only one who feels like
She is scary.
She and Coleman have these
fantastic little face-offs together.
You think she's gonna bring it all into the
Like she's gonna kind of bring the house down earlier
When she's sort of interrogating her
Yeah no she's good in that movie
I would not have thought to pick her
And then Ariana DeBose who I always talk about it
But I won't stop talking about it
She got her start on So You Think You Can Dance
She was eliminated first in her season on So You Think You Can Dance. She was eliminated first in her season on So You Think You Can Dance.
And like the perseverance of that.
I also saw her on Broadway in Bring It On, the musical, where she is fantastic.
Interesting.
I just, it's, so it's one of those things where I see her and I just feel this like
weird swell of like secret, you know, like she's one of my people.
You know what I mean?
Like she's one of my, she's one of my So You Think You Can Dancers.
But also she's killing of my people you know what i mean like she's one of my she's one of my so you think you can answer this but also she's killing it in that movie just that again you talk about
somebody who that movie asks more of her than even if you've seen the original right where it
surprises you the depths to which that movie requires her to go yes And she really carries it off. Yeah. So, so well. The America number
is the high point
of that movie for me.
That's when I feel
as in love with that movie
as I wish I did
for the entire run.
Is it because you can see
my old apartment
in the background
of one of the shots?
It's that exact reason.
And I thought it was
a weird oversight
of Steven Spielberg
to not do that
in the other numbers.
Yeah, but he should have done that.
I agree.
Yeah, you should leave here
and go watch West Side Story
right now.
It's streaming on HBO Max
and Disney+.
Look, I saw it again in theaters after we did our agree. Yeah, you should leave here and go watch West Side Story right now. It's streaming on HBO Max and Disney+. Look, I saw it again in theaters
after we did our episode.
Yeah, but...
David.
You had a weird theater experience.
I had a weird...
I thought the theater was empty.
It was empty.
I was having a great time
and then like 20 minutes in
an old couple walked in
and they talked through a lot of it.
I just want to say,
I want to say,
I saw it a second time.
I was in a very bad mental state
when we recorded our first episode.
It was right when Omicron
was causing nightmares.
Watching it a second time, the highlights of the film became stronger for me,
and my issues became stronger as well.
I still feel pretty much at the same level of it where there's stuff
that I think is incredible, and there's some issues I have.
Great movie.
Who else you got, Joe?
Kirsten Dunst in Power of the Dog, who I know did get the Oscar nomination,
but we don't say it enough how great she is.
For somebody who is as famous as
she is and as celebrated as she is,
we kind of still don't say it enough.
God love her. God love Dunst. We all salute
Dunst. Yeah, she's great.
I love Dunst.
Yeah. I don't know. Is that it?
Is that everyone? That's my five. Who's your winner?
My winner's with Nega.
Okay. Joe's winner is...
Polly Draper.
Polly Draper.
And David's winner is Mia Wasikowska.
Mia Wasikowska.
I don't know how you say her last name,
so I'm just sort of like
throwing different English on it every time.
Don't go by Meryl Streep
because she totally went bananas on it.
That one Golden Globes
where she said...
Seymour Philip Hoffman.
She said Adepero Odebe, first of all,
and then she said Mia Wasikowsero Odebie first of all and then she said
Mia Baskiowska
Baskiowska
there's more of that
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David
yes
I feel like I have to recuse
screenplay
best adapted screenplay
best original screenplay okay Best adapted screenplay.
Best original screenplay.
Okay.
The worst person in the world.
That's Joachim Trier and Eskil Vos.
The French Dispatch.
Wes Anderson.
A story by Jason Schwartzman and Hugo Guinness.
Roman Coppola.
The Card Counter.
Greater.
Facebook.
Tatan.
I don't know.
I think it's just a card. I think it's just, yeah.
Pig.
Pig.
Pig.
It's about that pig.
Pig, pig, pig.
Which is written by,
it's written by the same guy.
It's written directed, right?
Michael Sarnowski.
Yeah, I think it had a co-writer.
Michael, am I wrong?
No, no, no co-writer.
Well, even more impressive.
There's a story given to Vanessa Block.
Okay.
Best adapted screenplay,
what ended up being
a real blink check category.
Okay.
My five nominees are The Matrix Resurrections, West Side Story, The Last Duel, Benedetta,
Power of the Dog.
Four out of five nominees are Blink Check.
Movies we covered.
I see what you're saying.
Okay, okay.
Yeah.
But it just shook out that way.
I mean, look, we had five movies this year from directors we've covered on the podcast.
And all five of those movies were in my top 20 for the year.
Because they were mostly late Oscar season movies.
But I liked all of them.
I mean, creeping on all my categories.
Only made the one.
I mean, it is an adaptive screenplay, of course.
Who you got?
All right, original screenplay.
I have Bergman Island.
Me a Handsome Love, Petite Maman,
Celine Sciamma. I still haven't
seen it. Don't come out for another fucking six
weeks. I know, but I'm just like,
is that going to be until April? I really
got mad at them about that. I actually
got in a fight with them about it.
That's like too late. It's not a 2021 movie.
I defend the worst
person in the world thing.
I get it.
But like you can't just.
Red Rocket.
Sean Baker.
Blind spot.
Embarrassing blind spot for me.
Another inexplicable how have I not seen that.
It is surprising you didn't get to it.
Shiva Baby.
Emma Seligman.
And the worst person in the world.
Joachim Trier.
And Eskel Vogt.
And a man doing adapted as well.
Throw him on.
All right.
Drive my car. Beep beep. It's Rice Game. Oh. Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game adapted as well? Throw them on. All right. Drive my car.
Beep, beep.
It's Rice Game Hamaguchi.
Rice Game Hamaguchi.
And it's Takamasa Oi.
Thank you.
Lost Daughter.
Maggie Gyllenhaal.
Power of the Dog.
Jane Campion.
Bark, bark, bark, bark.
Tick, tick, boom.
Steven Levinson.
Tick, tick.
And West Side Story.
Tony Kushner.
Snap,
snap.
Yeah,
there you go.
My nominees are very similar to all of your nominees.
In original screenplay,
I had licorice pizza,
worst person in the world,
card counter,
Bergman Island,
and the souvenir part two,
which is I think the only one that wasn't on one of your ballots.
And in adapted screenplay,
I had West side story,
the lost daughter, drive my car, I had West Side Story, The Lost Daughter, Drive My Car,
The Power of the Dog,
and Dune.
Dune?
Dune.
Oh.
I will also say that the blankie nominees
in original screenplay were
Licorice Pizza, French Dispatch,
Pig, Worst Person, and Tatan.
And in adapted were
Power of the Dog, Dune, Drive My Car
The Green Knight
Great piece of adaptation and West Side Story
Very good
Tick Tick Boom, a late cut for me and adapted
It's a very difficult piece of adapting
It is by the person who wrote
Dear Evan Hansen
Which is so funny
A lot of crossover for all of us here
I guess it's just obvious what the
powerhouse screenplays are i'm trying to think what i'm missing yeah the oscar nominees are all
the movies we've talked about but coda king richard yeah a really great screenplay called
a movie called don't look up and belfast are some of the nominees we are ignoring uh coda coda really
just didn't yeah you're not a big coda fan
yeah coda is one of those movies i appreciated but i wanted to really fall in love with it and i
didn't make it have you ever seen the french one no i asked my mom about and she was like oh yeah
the french one sucks the french one it seems like even though it has the same basic structure
it was more like people saw it and were like well this is like a very good framework
for a movie that will work
yeah I don't know anyone who really said
that it's good
I watched the American one and I was like maybe I'd like the French one
but anyway Kota not a nominee
who are your winners guys
my original screenplay winner is Worst Person in the World
and I gave Adapted to
that dank dank Kush
that's my Adapt adapted winner as well.
My original screenplay winner is
Lien Siama for Petit Maman.
Hell yeah. Great screenplay.
Beautiful piece of historical construction.
I gotta wait another six weeks to see it.
It's bullshit.
My original screenplay winner is
going to be...
Let me say adapted first, because I'm
fucking doing it.
I'm going Matrix Resurrection's best adapted screenplay.
We rewatched it the other day for the
commentary. It's a good movie. I just fucking
the audacity of that film
really floors
me. For best original
screenplay. You had five nominees.
I'm just trying to help you out here.
Yeah, I know. I have five nominees.
Five nominees.
Peg, I am
Going to go
With the worst person in the world
To spread the wealth
That was my winner too
But spreading the wealth on your ballot
Not to tip my hand where things are going
I understand
I need to say it aloud
Yeah a lot of good screenplays
a lot of good screenplays
these are not hot categories
for me
no
no it was actually
really easy for me to film
I was just like
there are five obvious ones
that's sort of how I felt too
and I think like
the adapted screenplay
nominees for me this year
were not
well right of course
that's adapted
they were like
interesting works
of adaptation
I feel like all five of those are like very...
It wasn't just like a good script that's,
oh, it's based on a book.
Right, right.
And the original screenplay felt deeply original to me.
Which you have not seen,
but Drive My Car is probably
another very impressive piece of adaptation
in that it is spinning like this piece of gossamer
into a three-hour emotional epic.
Anyway.
Well, that's great.
Should we do an acting category a lead actor yeah
best actor
all right out to present the award the blankie for best actor actor adam driver of course tom hanks
michael b jordan was our first sweep.
Yeah.
All three of us.
Remember when we were just like, undoubtedly, that guy's going to...
Remember when we were excited about him as a man?
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
Daniel Kaluuya and Delroy Lindo.
That's another cool group of guys to get dinner with.
Driver's another one who's won for two different movies at Blankey's.
He's won Patterson for David
and Marriage Story for
this guy right here
and I kept on sort of making him a bridesmaid and cutting him at the last second
multiple years in a row
we all were guilty of that
have been guilty of that with Driver one time or another
Black Klansman I almost put him in for lead
and you objected
you punched me in the face
my nominees for best actor
are
Benedict Cumberbatch.
Wow.
You really got
held up there.
No, I was going to make
a pronounced funny joke
and then I was going to do...
Who knows what you're going to do?
I was going to do
Benedict Cumberbatch.
Sure, sure.
Glad you didn't do it.
I know.
Thank God I didn't do it.
And I'm especially glad
we're still talking about it.
Yeah, anyway, so Benedict Cumberbatch for The Power of the Dog. Oh, not Spider-Man? Okay, fine. sure glad you didn't do it I know thank god I didn't and I'm especially glad we're still talking about it yeah anyway
so Benedict Cumberbatch
for the power of the dog
oh not Spider-Man
okay fine
Oscar Isaac
the card counter
Nicholas Cage
in Pig
Winkly
Vincent Lindon
in Titan
Smash Smash
I don't know
uh huh
uh
how do you make
a syringe sound
yeah what's a syringe
I don't know squinch squinch steroid steroid steroid steroid uh and How do you make a syringe sound? Yeah, what's a syringe?
Squinch, squinch.
Steroid, steroid.
And Matt Damon for Stillwater.
A great performance. Ooh, I have not seen that movie.
Oh, sorry, let me put it on trucker hat.
A great performance.
I don't know.
Love that performance.
Late cut for me.
Joe.
All right.
Well, I should preface this by saying
I bridesmaided Adam Driver as well for this one.
He was my close sixth place for Annette.
I'm assuming.
Yeah, yeah.
So my first Best Actor nominee is, in fact, Eric Andre for Bad Trip.
Wow.
Very good.
Pause for her reaction.
Very good.
Wow.
My griffiest pick of the year.
I'm griffier than any griffy pick.
By far.
Truly.
Yeah. Wow. Yeah.
Wow.
It's one of those, well, we'll get into it.
Nicolas Cage for Pig, Benedict Cumberbatch for The Power of the Dog, Andrew Garfield
for Tick Tick Boom, and Mr. Simon Rex for Red Rocket.
Yes.
Yes.
So Garfield also a late cut for me.
I think that performance is tremendous, but he's gotten his Oscar attention and all that.
Garfield the cat also a late cut for me just because he didn't do a movie this year. He didn't. He really fucked up. He was so ready. Pig is a, Cage and's gotten his Oscar attention. Garfield the Cat also will lay a cut for me just because he didn't do a movie this year.
He was so ready.
Pig is a Cajun pig. A great performance.
I have some crossover. I have Benedict Cumberbatch
in The Power of the Dog. I have Oscar Isaac
in The Card Counter. I have Simon Rex
in Red Rocket.
And then I have Hidetoshi Nishijima
in Drive My Car.
And Keanu Reeves in The Matrix Resurrections.
I'm glad you put him in there because I wanted to put him in there.
It was kind of an obvious one for me.
And then I'll say The Rewatch, which I've watched a couple times,
which we just did for the commentary.
I was like, he's really like, it's his best performance in years.
Yeah, I mean, I think I nominated him for John Wick 3.
You might have.
I think you did.
One of them.
Whatever the Parabellum one was.
Which is the other one where I really... You did.
Well, and actually pretty cool of me.
But we rewatched
Resurrections and we were like really fucking
loopy. We had to record like 7 straight
hours that day and that commentary
went off the rails. I think also
because we had recently done our longest episode
ever talking so in depth about that movie.
But yes, David. R-watching it, I was
just kind of blown away by it. I wanted to
put him in there. I'm happy you put him in there instead. I gave it
the screenplay nomination, even though
that doesn't do Keanu
any good. He's unbelievable in that movie.
I did want to, yeah, you gave Last Duel
a screenplay nomination, right? That's always a fun
one when you get to get some actors in there
before Sunset nomination.
Yeah, Damon double nominee for me this year.
Hey, Stillwater.
What a performance.
Maybe.
What a movie.
I mean, you and I always talk about
dividing Damon performances
into supporting versus lead, right?
Yeah.
Because he understands
the different opportunities in those two
and the different responsibilities of those two.
I think that's his best lead performance ever.
And it is
a performance where
on its face,
if 20 years ago
you told someone
you were going to cast
Matt Damon in that role,
you'd go,
I will never buy him doing that.
I don't care what he ages into.
Mr. Boston,
Mr. Liberal,
sort of like
oversharing his politics,
accidentally being so woke
that he says things
that are retrograde. Yep. How does that guy play like weirdsharing his politics, accidentally being so woke that he says things that are retrograde.
How does that guy play like weird,
emotionally closed off?
He's so fucking good in it.
It's-
I gotta see it.
I gotta see it.
My other nominees,
Oscar Isaac,
Card Counter,
Nicolas Cage,
Pig.
We can talk about further
as we get into our overlaps there.
And a kind of power to the dog as well.
I guess this opportunity to talk about
Vincent Lindon a little bit more. Love him. well. I guess this opportunity to talk about Vincent Lindon
a little bit more.
Love him.
You and I have been arguing about this for about five months
about whether he's leader supporting.
I mean, it hasn't been a consistent argument.
It's nonstop.
Sure.
During episode records, we're texting each other.
He's obviously very dominant in the film once he arrives.
Right.
But it's halfway into the film.
It is.
So it's a fairly marginal, you know,
you can sell me either way.
Right.
I don't know where the Césars
put him. Yeah, that's a good question.
I feel like, am I wrong? We are in
constant competition with the Césars.
The fucking Césars. The fucking Césars.
They gave Best Actress to
the lady playing Celine Dion this year. You know that,
right? Yes. That's unbelievable. And they did
nominate Vincent London in
nowhere.
Well, then. Wow. That's can go help yeah um here's the major
thought i had going through my head while watching tatan i wish there were any american leading men
who let themselves age this way there is something about him where you're just like that is an adult
man on screen he looks great he got an incredible shape for that movie yeah but just
the shape of his body is not unreasonable it is not unreal he is not trying to look 35
the ways in which his skin has sagged are so fascinating there's experience there's fucking
wisdom on that man's face yeah that performance is just like it's a sad daddy. It's Can I say it is the most
taut performance of the year?
Sure.
Like just looking at him
you feel tension
at all times.
Yeah.
And the things that movie
asks him to do are like
almost impossible.
It's one of those performances
where you have to buy
that the person
does not put together
a thing that is not
only obvious to the audience because we have all the information but it seems apparent on its face. It's just visually a thing that is not only obvious to the audience
because we have all the information,
but it seems apparent on its face.
It's just visually obvious.
This is not his son.
Right.
And towing these lines of,
does he know, does he,
is he in denial about it?
Is he pretending he doesn't know?
Some mix of that.
And yeah, and he looks like an old tractor.
Yeah.
Or something.
It's just like, he really,
you liked a tan, right, Ben? I feel like you're leaning in on this he really you saw you like to tan right ben you
i feel like you're leaning in on this yeah you kept telling me that i had to see it yeah and i
was like totally blown away it's so visceral that movie's punk as fuck man i don't know if you picked
up on this because it is set up but the tan fucks a car yeah no i picked up on that yeah and then
has a little car baby yes which the baby looks like incredible i'm like
i want to see what that baby turns out like bb well to tan too yeah yeah you got it you got it
but um but no i just like the last thing i'll say is the music is so fucking good the um
lead actor is like so scary and maybe we'll talk about her later. She might be on your side. Okay. Well, who else you got?
Or is that everyone?
Those were my five.
Yeah.
Cause the other ones I have overlap with you guys.
Well,
let's talk Isaac cage Cumberbatch.
Yeah.
I mean,
Nicholas cage is,
you know,
he loves that pig.
He really loves that pig.
Yeah.
It's,
I hate to fall into like the predictable sort of trap of just like,
you know, the good cage versus the bad cage and yet i can't deny that like every once in a while
because i'm like i don't necessarily consider myself a nicholas cage person but every once
in a while he'll throw something else something like this out and i can't i can't fully walk
away see i'm very much a cage person yeah, you know, the last 10 years of his career
when he got into, like,
tax problems
and he just had to make
so many fucking movies
is the first time
where I feel like
he started making movies
that were boring to me.
Sure.
He had made bad films before,
but things where it didn't feel
like he was putting
his all into everything.
And I think in that time
he has had some good
Gonzo performances,
which I love,
and I always try to stay
in good Gonzo Cage. It's not I always try to stay in good Gonzo cage
it's not like
I don't want to be the person
who's only fucking awarding him
as you're saying
when he does
the naturalistic thing
because he's someone
who's capable of doing
these things that other actors
cannot do
Kick-Ass is a performance
for example
a movie I don't love
but I think is great
Gonzo weirdo cage
sure sure sure
there are other examples
like that in the last
10-15 years
Pig it's not just
that he's
doing a more naturalistic performance
because it's the weirdest naturalistic
performance of all time. Even if you give him credit
for it, he's low-key, he's understated,
he's sitting and listening
to people. But it's not just that he turned
the volume off or whatever. It's just like
he's really doing something.
The depth of feeling there is incredible. And he still is
like, I mean, he's doing shit where you're just like, why isn't this guy taking a shower?
And he's playing the energy of a guy who hasn't taken a shower in 15 years.
He's also, like, the whole thing in Pig is, like, he looks at you and he knows things about you that you don't know about yourself.
And that is very good use of Cage.
He's my winner.
That he has, like, kind of wizardy powers.
He's a good one.
He's my winner.
Yeah.
He's great.
Yeah.
Okay, so, yeah, the Eric Andre thing. Please. that he has like kind of wizardy powers he's he's my winner yeah yeah he's great yeah okay so yeah
the eric andre thing please i it's one of those others was like i wrote a check that i had to
cash essentially i watched that movie what was it spring i think it was a spring release was
whatever when i when i watched that movie i was kind of in my feelings about borat a little bit
i didn't like borat i felt bad about not liking borat am i not you know am i no fun for you know not liking Borat and then I watched Bad Trip and I'm like no this is what
everybody liked about Borat I like about Bad Trip it's like it's like it's and he pulls that off
with I mean whatever it's the Eric Andre thing right where it's like this endlessly cheerful person who is probably up to something psychotic, right?
And the way he
sort of walks
the people through
these various sort of like pranks and set
pieces in this movie, I think it's
just charming but also like
deceptively difficult to keep people
sort of like locked in on
this wavelength and
I don't know, i just think it's
tremendously funny and he and lil rel are very i think it's really good in that um it's a very
funny it's like it's on to me it's an uncomplicated good time and i really was looking for an
uncomplicated good time when i saw that movie there's a big question for me yeah has the academy
not asked lil rel to host the academy awards or does he not want to do it? Because last year, it kind of felt like, this is sort of an obvious, he's at the exact right level of fame.
He can do it, yeah.
He's been in movies, he's funny, he's not so big that he's like, it's not worth tanking my career to do this.
I don't know.
That's a good question.
I don't know.
It seems like one of those things where I feel like these days, and I think the three hosts are an indicator of that is
they don't ask people early enough.
The three host thing is the ultimate example.
They didn't get Steve Martin and Martin Short
and Selena Gomez because they couldn't
book them. They waited until the last
minute to ask them. That's the insane thing that the original plan
was to have like three trios
and then it became like three duos and
now it's like three unconnected people
entirely. It. Yeah.
It's so bad.
Yeah.
What they're doing.
I feel bad for Wanda Sykes and Regina Holland.
I would have felt more.
Because they're being set up for failure.
And I would have felt more excited
if they announced any one
of those three people
hosting on their own.
Sure.
They would have been
slightly odd choices in this year.
Sure.
But I would have been more excited
than the three where I'm just like,
what the fuck is this?
What's going on?
Yeah.
Who else?
Oh, and then uh uh andrew
garfield i mean what a great year for him just in general but also that's a really tough assignment
it is i think people were ready to hate on that movie i think that movie was being set up to be
kind of a punchline people are over lin-manuel for many reasons and whatever and i think andrew
garfield is one of those quasi hathaway types where it's like he's so
willing to put on the show that sometimes you almost want to bully him right to have him play
musical theater guy was just like recipe for punches but he pulls it off so well I mean that
movie locked me in right away where I was like because I was not I like a lot of musical theater
but I was not familiar with Tick Tick Boom beyond Boom beyond the fact of it. I knew what it was. But that movie got me right away
and he's tremendous.
Very good at playing annoying people.
This is the thing.
I think you were the one who said this to me, David,
when you saw it
and you were sort of surprised by how good it was.
You went to one of the first screenings
they had in New York
before people had seen it.
And you were like,
the thing that's really,
that gets really right
is he understands what's insufferable about this guy.
Without sacrificing that.
You know,
you're rooting for him.
Right.
Right.
But you're also frustrated by him,
which is the experience that he's trying to sell you.
And,
uh,
he's so good in that movie.
I'm a big Andrew Garfield fan,
except when I'm not,
you know what I mean?
Like,
I didn't like his performance in angels in America,
which was like,
yeah,
only winning and like highly acclaimed.
And I was like,
this is 10% too dialed up for me.
Yeah. I was supposed to be a dialed up performance, but you know, then this year, God, tick, ticklaimed. And I was like, this is 10% too dialed up for me. Yeah.
Because obviously it's supposed to be a dialed up performance.
But, you know, then this year, God, Tick, Tick, Boom.
I mean, I like Tammy Faye more than most.
And I don't think he totally works.
I think he's really good in Tammy Faye.
That is a really weird character.
Yes.
In that like they are kind of skirting.
I don't think he's bad.
He's not bad.
They're skirting a lot of the worst stuff of that character.
Yes.
Because they don't want to deal with it or they don't have time or whatever.
Yeah.
I don't really know what that decision was.
And so he kind of just drops out of the movie.
And like, but he's fine.
He's good.
He's also just, it's funny how boyish he remains in basic energy.
He does.
You know, which you kind of need to use to your advantage rather than sort of ignoring yeah
anyway who else we got joe i mean you and i share simon rex so we can sort of pivot to each other
i mean it's what a success story what is it like what a story it's a great story i do think
obviously simon sean baker has this just sort of preternatural understanding of what's going to
work in his movies and who's going to make sense in them and like he obviously just sort of preternatural understanding of what's going to work in his movies and who's
going to make sense in them and yeah he
obviously just sort of had this idea of
like Simon Rex should play this washed
up porn star and like called him out of
the blue and was like I don't have a
script you know right like the whole
story of it is great but like yeah so
credit to Sean Baker yeah but all credit
to Simon Rex not a person I've thought
about much no in the last 20 years.
You haven't seen the movie, Griff.
You're going to love it.
I'm going to love it.
I will say,
and to pat myself on the back a little bit,
when I was on the Vanity Fair podcast
and we were talking about year ahead Oscars,
I did point this out.
I was like,
Simon Rex playing an ex-porn star
given his own, you know, biography
could be a really interesting choice.
I mean, you saying, David, you don't think about him much, right?
And I'm realizing now it was almost 20 years ago,
but I remember seeing Scary Movie 3 and being like,
why aren't people using this guy?
Like, he always just seemed a little better
than whatever anyone was asking him to do.
He has the live wire energy that is hard to replicate.
Yeah.
And Ben, have you seen Red Rocket?
You would love it
Ben took the mic out of the stand
oh yes I have
he but he would
not work if he was just this annoying
right guy who
babbles a mile a minute
Simon Rex totally understands that that guy is
clinging on
to any semblance of like
legitimacy or coolness or,
you know,
like the,
he,
he,
that guy knows he is one like step away from basically just everyone never
wanting to speak to him again.
Like,
but he can't help himself when he's talking and talking to her,
but like,
right.
I mean,
like you get the sense of this character that like,
this is the kind of stuff he was able to get away with in the past.
This is the kind of stuff that would let him skate by the sort of,
you know,
charming personality stuff that even, you you may hate me but you love me kind of stuff he's so specifically like his manipulation is so specific to someone who's
lived in la for a really long time yeah yeah man what a scumbag yeah and like ben says while grinning yeah i just i mean i love care i love
stories like this i love like it's just a simple character study of just this guy basically kind
of just doing the same thing he's done he's just resetting his life kind of again and where it all started in his hometown yeah it's unabashedly just like messy and a little
like yeah a little evil a little fucked up but a fun time yeah it's a great movie i love it
did we talk about oscar isaac no i want to talk about oscar incredible performance maybe it was
sort of my runner-up i'm giving it to nishijima okay um but os Isaac might run up as well by like a hair behind. He was very
close. He almost made my list.
I mean, it's just
you and I were texting about it, David,
but like, here we go
finally. This is the guy
we've talked about. For the last five years, we've been waiting
to come back. And it's not like he's been doing
bad work, but it just
felt like, well, this is clearly the dude
of his generation. and then it feels like
Adam Driver started taking all the parts
for four actors of his generation.
And Oscar Isaac just sort of disappeared for a little bit.
You know, obviously, demands of
Star Wars and whatever, but...
Right. It was like, here we are,
back to basics, give him
just a real meaty script and a character
study, and let him
look other actors in the eye the scene where he tells the story about the best hand he's ever seen
played and he lays out all the cards and monologues it to tie tie the sheridan and that's like a
mostly a one-er that sort of slowly moves in on him it's just it's incredible shit he's like he's
our fucking he's the one guy who's got the
70s Pacino thing.
You know?
He does.
I mean,
that's what he had
in like my
Most Violent Year,
of course.
Right.
And you're right.
It's just been a few years
of being like,
I guess he's just been busy
with stuff I'm,
that is less interesting.
Yeah.
That's all.
I never dislike him,
but it's certainly
that run of like
Llewyn Davis
into Most Violent Year, into whatever.
You were just like, here we go.
Ready.
Ex Machina.
I mean, I love him.
Ex Machina, incredible performance.
Yeah.
I also had Nishijima.
Am I the only person who nominated him?
It's just...
He was on my runners-up.
Powerhouse, slow-boil performance.
Yeah.
You know, absolutely, like, has to nail the big emotional
moment at the end of the movie. Does.
Like, I don't know the actor really at all.
The movie doesn't work without him.
Spellbinding stuff. Keanu Reeves we've talked about.
But I really do think it's such
a self-aware, funny, sweet,
emotional, like, different performance.
And the range. What you're talking about. The stages that
character goes through, that he gets to play
comedy, that he gets to do his physical acting, that he gets to play really sort of low-key drama intimacy uh and be romantic
as well uh i mean cumberbatch i feel like we don't have to talk about because just last week on this
feed we talked about for two it's a great performance yeah um some cuts i'm sure you
guys have plenty you want to talk about too but i I'm sure I have a few. I didn't have that many. Maybe not.
I mean, it's a strong, it's a top heavy.
I do like both of the Oscar nominee performances
that we did not touch, which are Denzel and Will Smith.
Same.
I think Will Smith is good in that movie.
Yeah.
I think Denzel is fantastic in Macbeth.
I agree.
It's just, you know, I sort of wanted room for...
It's also one of those things where...
I really like his take on Macbeth as like,
this dude's tired.
I will say, I often have a hard time connecting
to Shakespeare, and I felt like he brought
me into it more than most actors I have
seen, in a really, really savvy way.
It is this thing that is kind of
unfair, where I saw it and I was like, right,
yeah, no, of course he's great at this.
You don't get excited about it maybe as much. That's sort of how I was, too. I love Damon and I was like, right, yeah, no, of course he's great at this. You don't get excited about it maybe as much.
That's sort of how I was, too.
Right.
I love Damon and Stillwater.
I'm a big fan of Don Cheadle in No Sudden Move,
that kind of like Oscar Isaac-y phenomenon of like,
it's you giving a real performance.
You're a good actor.
Been a minute.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's another obvious one that I feel like I'm forgetting.
Adam Driver in Annette. Adam Driver's so good one that I feel like I'm forgetting Adam Driver in Annette
Adam Driver is so good in that movie
that is a very committed performance
from an actor who defines
committed performances
but that is a throwing everything
at the wall type performance
I do like it
Joaquin Phoenix in Come On Come On
just what we needed seeing him play a normal guy
what did you think of Dinklage and Cyrano
he was on a long run
I like that movie but I more like it
for the Joe rightness
the same theatricality but like I think
he's totally good and I think they totally biffed
getting him a nomination like I think they easily
could have I think they could have too
I have I have a
one more I want to throw out who truly might have been
like my six or seven.
It's not quite a Vin Diesel award because I do think he's very close.
Throw it out.
And I will admit this, of course, might be somewhat colored by sentimentality because of the events in between when I saw this movie and where we stand today.
But I also felt this way when I saw the performance.
Bob Odenkirk is incredibly good in nobody.
I think that movie is a mess.
I think if he gave that same performance in a movie that I thought was dramatically functional,
right.
He'd probably be a slam dunk five for me.
I have not seen it.
I have not either.
Okay.
Okay.
I,
I think he's incredibly good to a degree that's almost underrated.
And I think obviously the thing that everyone focused on was that he did
all this training and he does all the fight a degree that's almost underrated. And I think, obviously, the thing that everyone focused on was that he did all this training.
And he does all the fight choreography and all of that.
Yeah.
But I think it is kind of an incredible performance for a guy who I have always, obviously, loved.
And say often, I think it's…
How early in the year was that movie?
April?
Yeah, it was pretty early.
It was one of the first post-vax movies I saw.
Right, right.
And I think that movie makes some incredibly stupid choices in terms of characterization
that fucked him over a little
bit. But he is unreal good.
And as we stand today in the present day,
I just want to constantly show more
appreciation for Bob Odenkirk, a guy
who it was scary to think about
losing. Any other cuts you
want to shout out, Griff or Joe?
Joe, who was your winner?
David,
your winner was......ijima and drive my car
best actress all right out to present best actress we have annette benning oh the 20th century woman herself Toni Collette Carrie Coon
Oh the nest herself
Rooney Mara
Oh Carol herself
Not correct
But nonetheless
And Lupita Nyong'o
Oh the French champagne
I don't forget.
I forget the character's name in Us.
No, I know the movie.
I just don't remember.
Oh, well, she's got the two fucking characters.
Well, Red is the tether.
Right.
Why am I forgetting her other character's name?
Okay.
My five nominees for Best Actress.
Best Actress!
In a leading role.
In a leading role.
Are Jodie Comer, The Last Duel.
Rebecca Hall, The Night House.
One of your faves.
Been talking up all year.
Virginie Ifeira.
I don't know how to pronounce her name.
Benedetta.
Oh, sure.
Yeah, this is my run of the names that I'm going to fuck up.
Oh, here we go.
Agatha Rossell in Titan.
Yeah, is it Agatha Rossell?
Anyway, yes.
The lead actress in Titan.
And Renata Rensve?
Renata Rensve.
For the worst person in the world.
Very good.
All right.
Mine are Olivia Colman in The Lost Daughter.
Look out.
Penelope Cruz in Parallel Mothers.
Look out.
Look out.
Jansa Juricic in Quo Vadis Aida.
One of those movies I need to get around to.
I've heard it's really good.
And it was one of those that
rode the line between, is it last
year, is it this year?
Nicole Kidman in being the Ricardos
and Renata Reinsva
in The Worst Person in the World.
You got some explaining to do.
You got some explaining to do.
I had to do it. I'm standing by it.
You got some
explaining to do. I think I said this
to Griffin. I don't think that performance is bad on a
typical level. I don't either. I think it's actually good
when taken on its own level. In dealing
with the language of the screenplay and
being such a commanding performance. It's good as a lead performance in a Sorkin film.
Yeah. I just
I just
I don't think it really makes any sense. I cannot
What is the Tommy Lee
Jones line? I cannot sanction its buffoonery.
I mean, yes.
It's like, we all know Lucille Ball.
Lucille Ball.
And I'm like, mm-hmm.
Comedy legend.
And the movie's like, no, no, no, no, no.
Very persnickety boss.
And I'm like, okay.
That's it.
Goodbye.
Right.
Woman who constantly lists her accomplishments.
I feel like that's a justifiable take on the material.
I genuinely do.
Joe.
It's fine. It's fine.
It's fine.
It's all right.
No, look, I have truly zero problems with her performance in terms of what she was asked to do.
I have problems with what the movie asked her to do and perhaps her casting as well.
But I think she did her job well.
Great performance.
Is she going to win an Oscar?
Or is she struggling, you know, whatever, Peaked a little too soon in the narrative.
The Chastain's acting was interesting.
That is a performance I defend a lot.
Yeah, I mean, no offense to the Screen Actors Guild.
Yes.
Sure.
Of which you are a member.
Correct.
But they do vote like morons a lot of the time.
So they can be tough as predictors.
Sure.
Because they often will make really strange winning decisions.
I think what that did, though, is that Emily Blunt best supporting actress at Quiet Place.
Look, not a bad performance. Not a bad performance.
Not a bad performance.
Just an odd winner.
But a lead performance.
Also true.
But no,
I think what that did
was threw that category
into anybody can win it.
Just like now,
I think it's going to be
so spread out
that the threshold
for winning that category
is going to be
I'm wondering if it's Coleman now.
It's unambiguous
least likely to win
having once been a front runner.
She's the only one
I can't see of that vibe.
She would be the most surprising.
I wonder if Coleman
just benefits from the split.
I've been saying for months
that Coleman's going to win
and I'm standing by that.
Like, you know, yeah.
Yeah.
And she's just weirdly become like,
it's funny that her Oscar speech
was like, this is wild.
This is never going to happen again.
And now she's become
like the new Judi Dench.
Yeah.
She's just become,
if she has a new movie,
it's going to be an Oscar favorite because she's involved and she's going to the new Judi Dench yeah she's just become if she has a new movie it's going to be
an Oscar favorite
because she's involved
and she's going to get
a slam dunk nomination
yeah
it's very funny
my nominees
yes
are
Renata Reinsfeld
in The Worst Person in the World
Alana Haim
in The Krish Pizza
Penelope Cruz
in Parallel Mothers
Olivia Colman
in The Lost Daughter
and Rachel Ziegler
in West Side Story
Ziegler
a late cut for me
yeah Luminous Paula Beer in, a late cut for me.
Luminous!
Paula Beer and Undine, a cut for me.
Incredible performance, movie that fucking rips.
Chastain was a short lister for me.
That's of the Oscar-y performances
of the year.
That's the one that I like.
I think those were my only real cuts.
Kristen Stewart was a close cut for me.
I really like that performance.
I really like that performance.
I love K-Stew.
I struggle with that one.
Rachel Sennett in Shiva Baby.
I did love Shiva Baby.
Yeah, surprised that didn't make it
considering you gave Shiva Baby other love.
I do love that movie.
You know what?
Actually, maybe Kit Kidman out.
Yeah, Kit's not in there.
Stand and buy it!
Is she your winner?
No, she's not my winner.
Thank God.
Thank God.
All right.
Calm down.
Tilda Swinton in Memoria.
That's a cut for me.
I imagine.
I kind of was surprised that you didn't.
She was in and out.
That's a blind spot for me that I feel no embarrassment about
because fucking stop making this movie so difficult to watch.
It came out a week the cases were up
and I was just like,
I don't feel like going out this week.
We were in the worst possible city to live in with that movie.
Screwed them over.
I know. And there was a moment where I don't feel like going out this week. We were in the worst possible city to live in with that movie. Screwed them over. I know.
And there was a moment where I had a streaming link to it.
And I was like, I'm going to wait and hope that it circles back around.
And it fucking didn't.
I watched it on a streaming link.
I wished I hadn't, but I did.
It's a very good movie whenever it comes to town.
If it ever comes to town.
I was fine with their plan if they actually fucking did it.
Well, there was this Omicron variant
I'm aware
But then at that moment they should have just gone like never mind cute idea
Look I don't
Rather than they're just doing neither
I don't know
I don't know what's going on
I don't know
Honor Swinton Byrne is a cut for me
Do you have any other cuts
No I think those are the ones
I'm trying to think if I've got anyone else.
It was a very good year for
Morfydd Clark in St. Maude.
A very late cut for me. Oh, yeah.
She's good. Really loved that performance. That's a good point.
Vicky Creeps in Bergman Island.
Quite good. Yes. Love Creeps.
I mean, always. I'm always pro Creeps.
I mean, I'll shout out
Annabelle Wallace in Malignant.
I think it's a very
challenge, you know very big challenge.
She's being thrown there and she's really good.
That is a case, if I didn't have five nominees who were that strong,
I would have pushed Annabelle Wallace in for the chaos of it.
I still, I love Malignant.
I go back and forth between thinking,
is that a great performance or is James Wan really clever
for casting somebody who can
only give a certain level of you know what i mean just like i feel like the casting in that movie
is part of the lulling the audience into where he wants you to be yes he's casting that movie
like it's a b movie he's casting that movie like it's trash but i which is not to say that annabelle wallace is trash but no he's cast
that movie as if it's a lower tier yes film yes i i think she's incredibly good in that film and i
think you you i'm a fan it requires an actor with a very non-conventional understanding of what a
performance can be to pull that off you have to give her credit for intelligence for that. Let me give you the blankie.
10 in lead performance.
Number one, Alana Haim.
Then Nicolas Cage.
Benedict Cumberbatch. Dev Patel, who I didn't
shout out, but I love that performance.
It obviously falls a little bit into our
past guests movie.
Sexy, sexy, though.
Not Dev, but Larry.
David Larry. Very handsome man. Rachel Ziegler in West Side Story. Jodie Comer in The Last Duel. Yeah. Rachel Ziegler. Not Dev, but Larry. Yeah. Well, David Larry. Very handsome man.
Rachel Ziegler in West Side Story,
Jodie Comer in The Last Duel,
Renata Reinsve,
Simon Rex,
Kirsten Stewart,
and Andrew Garfield.
That is the 10 from the blankies.
Okay.
I want to say,
because you just brought it up again,
I'm very surprised Jodie Comer
didn't make your list
as such a big Last Duel defender.
I think, like,
that movie, like,
in many ways,
hinges on her being able to pull off that last third.
She rules.
I love Jodie Sumner.
She rules.
And Free Guy is one of those things where she gives that movie so much more than that movie deserves.
I will now finally be watching Free Guy now that it is streaming on HBO or whatever.
It's technically a free watch.
It's an Oscar nominee, so I do have to watch it. oh there you go i i don't have much picture love yes right i don't
have much love for free guy no yeah but it's one of those things where you're just like this is a
sheer no i've heard similar right on a pretty superficial character she really does a yeoman's
work on that and then a last duel is just the whole movie hinges on
her perspective and her being able to play these very subtle differences in incredibly difficult
scenes which she does uh beautifully an incredible performance as someone who doesn't watch time tv
and didn't watch killing eve i think it also knocked me out more right yeah i was a little
more total shock for you. Yeah.
Who's your winner?
My winner would be the drama I've been banging
all fucking year,
it feels like,
even though it's only been
six months or whatever.
Rebecca Hall in Nighthouse.
You love that performance.
An incredible performance
that may be one of the best
depictions of grief
I have ever seen.
It is stunning.
Have you seen that movie?
Oh, yeah.
There's the scene where they,
what's her name?
Sarah Goldberg from Barry is her friend.
She's a school teacher.
They invite her out for drinks.
She's been grieving from the suicide of her husband.
And this movie is so attuned to that weirdness
of trying to treat someone
who's gone through something very traumatic as if they're
normal yeah like we're just gonna create a sense of normalcy for you rather than constantly grieving
around you and how quickly that person can hijack the situation make it uncomfortable for everyone
yes yeah so they're trying to tiptoe around stuff someone asked her a question she gets into it and
she starts making overly casual jokes about the horrible things she's been living through yeah and it's that thing where her
not being sad about it is more disturbing to everyone else around her right it's not her
only scene like that in the movie but it is a thing i don't think i've ever seen an actor
perfectly capture yeah which is that weird angry humor coming out of like yeah absolute depths of despair that becomes
so unnerving to everyone else around them an amazing performance by by someone who had quite
a year when you also look at passing you want and also she's my four-time freckle face of the year
so i've been waiting and for whatever it's worth would have been my casting choice for who should have been
the fucking Lays to Do part
in the last two Bond movies.
Oh.
I'm like, that's the version of that movie
that maybe works for me.
I think Lays to Do is great in No Time to Die.
I mean, nothing in Spectre performance-wise
completely works for me.
It's tougher to argue for Spectre.
I mean, I could bring Joey Simpson here
and he'll give you a Spectre.
He likes that movie.
Oh, okay.
And then my other three, Benedetta Tatan
and Worst Person in the World.
We talked about Benedetta
extensively on that episode.
Virginie, incredible.
And talk about another bizarre,
almost Simon Rexy-like.
How did you see that there?
Someone who was primarily a television presenter
and a weather person who then became
sort of a celebrity celebrity but not taken seriously
as an actress given this incredibly
good supporting role in
Elle but playing a very
opposite character what she does in this and she just
fucking attacks it.
And Tatana
it's like she sort
of gets the spot that I would have
wanted to push Annabelle Wallace
for of just
like physical commitment,
energy, weirdness.
Yeah, definitely.
But another person who had no previous
acting experience was a dancer
discovered on Instagram.
And it was like a year
spent. On Instagram?
Easy.
I really like that performance. I know that movie is polarizing. I really like that performance
I know that movie is polarizing
I really love that performance
same and I imagined
she's my winner Renata Reinsper
marry me
Renata
that is a movie you pitch you want to remake marry me
yes I'm holding up a sign
at the Cannes Film Festival
the cutest person in the world
a luminous performance.
And I have nominated a lot of luminous performers this year
because Alana Haim and Rachel Ziegler are similar
where I'm just like,
oh my God, the personality jumping out of the screen.
Three stars born.
Right.
And it's like, is it just magic?
Right.
Is it specific?
Directors who have very much keyed into
specific star qualities of these three people.
And then the other two nominees I have are Cruise and Coleman,
who are just like very, very, very good actresses
giving powerhouse performances that demand a lot of them.
I love Cruise.
That movie confused me deeply.
Sure.
I like it as a movie.
I think it's a star vehicle for her.
I was really into it the last 20 minutes,
and then I went, I have no idea what the fuck this is.
And it's not like there's a weird twist.
It's just the movie
kind of goes off
in an odd cul-de-sac
and then stays there.
It becomes about
a thing you weren't
really thinking
it was going to be about.
It was not the thing
I was most interested in.
Sure, sure, sure.
Yeah, I understand that.
But like,
she's somebody,
I also think,
I think there's a chance
she could win the Oscar too.
Like, I really think
that's not out of the question
and that would be amazing.
Yeah, I think she's great.
Olivia Colman rules. My winner is actually yansa jiricic for cuovadas ida wow which is a movie i saw
because it was a foreign language film last year but it didn't get a release in the states until
after the oscars uh and so this is what has been sort of in my back pocket for a while and it was
one of those movies just like it's hard to be like can't believe nobody saw quavada's idea because like where were you like
where were you going to see this movie and yet i want more people to even though it's very harrowing
it's especially now in like the geopolitical times we're living in now to move a movie about like
the bosnian you know the war in yugoslavia and whatnot it's just like there's a lot of stuff
but she's so really fantastic and just sort of commands that movie and she's incredibly
sympathetic and and sort of goes through a lot in it and she plays the uh the sort of mother a wife
and mother as who is also an interpreter okay for uh you know for the government in the city
that is being occupied and she has
to try and get her family out while also
remaining to do her job.
And it's very
tense, but she's really incredible.
I need to watch that movie.
Who's your winner, Joe?
That's her?
Have you said everyone? Yes. Renata's your winner, Joe? That's her. Have you said everyone?
Yes.
Renata's my winner.
Renata was the only one all three of us shared.
I believe so, yes.
How do you not?
No, I agree.
Back to the blankies after these messages.
David? Relationships take over. After these messages. David.
Yeah.
Relationships take off.
Baby, it's the blankies.
All right.
Well, before we get to director and picture.
Yes.
Are there any other awards we want to talk about?
It's going to be a simp for directions that this is about to go in pretty much.
Okay.
But just kind of absurd to not nominate French Dispatch
in every craft category.
And I think even the people
who are cold on that movie.
I know.
It's so good.
Very strange.
Very strange.
I don't know what happened there
except that it's happened before.
The only one of his movies
to get any nominations
outside of screenplay
or animated film is Budapest.
And otherwise,
it is bizarre that he never
gets costume, he never gets art direction, he never
gets cinematography. Especially with, like,
music's the only other place they... Right, but like
Moonrise Kingdom, only nominated for screenplay.
Royal Tenenbaums, famously only nominated
for screenplay, bizarrely. Obviously because
Gene Hackman was the craziest thing in the world. Rushmore,
Life Aquatic, Goose Egg.
Yeah, Life Aquatic, these... Anyway, I don't know what
it is. Because it felt like Grand Budapest, finally the breakthrough.
They're going to recognize that every year you're going to have to fucking put his movies in all these categories.
Well, that's why a lot of people thought that French Dispatch was like a front runner a year ahead of time.
In terms of like, this could be like a big Best Picture contender.
It was going to open at Cannes.
Yeah.
All this sort of stuff.
And it's, I think a lot of with Wes Anderson is almost like who's getting to it
first,
who's setting the tone on what the reaction to it is.
And he's such a particular filmmaker that like,
if you're not on his wavelength,
you're really not on his wavelength.
And I'm going to talk about this movie more,
but I do think that is a movie that perhaps is not best seen in a film
festival setting.
I think that was not the right way to introduce that movie.
But here's, I want to call out a specific one. I think that was not the right way to introduce that movie. But here's,
I want to call out
a specific one
that I think people
aren't talking about.
Watching the movie
a second time,
I really keyed into.
I'm sorry,
what were you saying?
I said Bruno.
We don't talk about Bruno.
It was a joke
about the film Encanto.
Go ahead.
That's for the kids.
It's the moment
we think is going to go viral.
That's why we cut it.
Exactly.
Hashtag Encanto.
David had to make that joke.
Visual effects
in French Dispatch.
Wonderful.
Okay, because that's a movie
that costs like $20 million.
Yeah.
And whatever it was,
almost 20 years ago,
Life Aquatic costs like $60 million.
He insisted on building
the whole fucking boat.
Cost of fortune.
And all this sort of stuff.
And you watch French Dispatch,
and I don't know if there is
a single shot in that movie
that is not some sort of digital effect, but yet he makes that entire movie feel entirely handmade.
And so much of that is that essentially every single shot in that movie is some sort of weird collage.
He is no longer building extravagant sets.
He's working very thrifty and very fast, building only a piece of it and then using models and matte paintings and digital effect, all these things to stitch it together where you have these incredible vistas, you know, these incredible detailed layered nuanced
environments, these immaculate frames that feel very analog.
And it's a kind of movie where the digital effects are pretty invisible.
And then you have sequences like the thing where he has like the frozen in time people
on wire shit where it is actually practical.
Yeah.
But yeah yeah that movie
fucking rules another movie i think deserves credit and craft categories is uh barb and star
go to visadel mar i mean i love that movie great movie we haven't talked about it yet what a great
movie yeah it does look phenomenal it looks good yeah like and it could so easily have looked like
a cheap piece of shit yeah like yeah it's a comedy that has some actual fucking scale to it.
Do you have cinematography nominees?
I didn't write that down.
I did write down,
I have five,
uh,
voice performance nominees.
I love a voice that I jotted down.
Yeah.
I got Olivia Coleman and Mitchell's versus the machine and outstanding voice.
She's so good.
Yes.
Jessica Darrow from Encanto,
who is,
uh,
the,
the surface surface pressure, pressure, the older sister.
A really fun song.
Really great.
Okay.
Really great performance.
Jack Dylan Grazer in Luca, who I think is really, really good.
Yeah.
And that movie rips.
Hey, fishy boy.
Yeah.
Whatever.
Luca.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Cute little fishy boy.
I'm not sure how to pronounce this, but uh hey bay a bay griffiths uh
the baby in a net the singing voice of the baby in a net
and my best voice vocal performance the guy who keeps going baby yeah that's true i should have
looked up that who that is and then uh uh steven sonheim for a voicemail and
we're gonna talk about that in putters and Murmurs as well.
My
animated film of the year is
definitely Mitchell's
Versus the Machines,
which I think is a really great
movie. But Flea is obviously
very good. Flea to me
is like a triumphant movie.
It's good as a feat of animation,
but Mitchell's Versus the Machines is this really innovative bit of animation but mitchell's versus machines is this really
innovative bit of animation like yeah it's like got all these different styles that are mixed
together and all that like as animation it's kind of astounding katie mitchell confirmed blanking
you've got oh yeah shout out katie mitchell and that's a good performance abby jacobson yeah um
but you know i like i know you like luca i love luca i really grew for me a second time one of
the great last shots in an animated movie is Luca.
Yes, and also a movie where,
especially watching it a second time,
really unlocked for me its power being in how modest it is.
Yeah.
I think it is somewhat radical to make a film
that is sort of that emotionally
and narratively small scale and is comfortable with that.
And it does feel like,
I feel like anytime there's a movie that has a little bit of that
wistfulness in it, people jump to say like American Ghibli.
Sure.
But that is a movie that actually feels kind of Ghibli-esque in its size and its concerns
and its focus on the inner lives of its characters.
I will say this.
Yes.
I like Luca.
And you probably haven't seen it yet But Turning Red Which is about to come out
I can't wait to see Turning Red
Is so good
Really?
It's the best thing Pixar has made in years
Fuck
Really?
Yes
When did you watch it?
Yesterday
What?
What?
And uh
Kind of blows Luca out of the water
But I don't like Luca as much
I really wanted to love Luca
Because I love
Italians riding around Vespas
Yeah
And for some reason, was
sort of like... Too many Italians.
Too many Italians, of course, my famous
anecdote. But yeah, my animated film.
I liked Crypto Zoo as
well, but it kind of, you know... Crypto Zoo is
one of those ones where it's like a cool idea and
it's like it's interesting. It went on and on.
But yeah, yeah. I am...
I saw a very interesting animated film. The Encanto
performance that really jumped out for me was
Diane Guerrero
Oh as
Isabella
I think everyone's fun in Encanto
I really love Encanto
I really love that movie
Alright what are some other
Cinematography I had Power of the Dog, Spencer
West Side Story, Dune and the Green Knight
I mean yeah
I jot it down because it's such a big Musicals year Spencer, West Side Story, Dune in the Green. I mean, yeah, you know, whatever.
I jot it down because it's such a big musicals year.
I did write down five choreography nominations.
Because I feel like choreography is one of those categories that should be at the Oscars, but are not.
Cyrano for its little interludes into that sort of very sort of beautiful kind of like waltzing choreography.
In the Heights, the 96,000 number in the pool, especially West Side side story and then i went kind of weird for the last two i put malignant for fight i mean it's really good the fight
choreography and malignant's the best thing i've seen in quite a while seen in the prison in the
police station yeah did you read the interview with nicholas cage where he's talking about how
he's gonna play dracula in the renfield movie and they were like what are you pulling from where he's talking about how he's going to play Dracula in the Renfield movie and they were like, what are you pulling from?
And he's like,
I got really excited
by Malignant.
That's the first movie
and new movie
to give me ideas
in a while.
That's very promising.
That's very promising.
Yeah.
And it's not really
a group dance number
and I know it's not
everybody's favorite,
but Katrina Balfe
dancing in Belfast
is the best part of that.
That's some sexy stuff.
That's the whole thing.
I'm like,
get this kid out of here.
I don't give a shit.
I've stolen some sweets.
I don't care.
I'm also like,
maybe get the older people out of here.
Maybe also get Jamie Dornan out of here.
Maybe let me just watch her dance for two hours.
I like what Dornan's doing,
but yeah,
that movie's Balfe is,
it's fine.
It's fine.
I'm not even saying that like condescendingly.
It's fine.
I was so ready to love that movie i was like just my mouth is open stuff the ham sandwich inside you told me like the most
damning thing in the world is that that movie couldn't make me cry and i couldn't have been
more buttered up that's what you told me after watching score do you guys have favorite scores
obviously i have johnny greenwood power the Power of the Dog And Hans Zimmer and Dune
Who are Oscar nominees
Annette obviously had a very expansive
Interesting score by the Mayells
I really love Johnny Greenwood's Spencer score
Which I thought was kind of ignored
Because they all went to dog
I really loved Daniel Hart's Green Night music
Some other nominees
The Blankets nominated
Dune, Power of the Dog, Annette, Spencer,
and Kanto. But they also
had the French Dispatch, Lovely Score, Green Night,
West Side Story, Licorice Pizza.
Well, it doesn't really have a score.
But whatever. No Time to Die.
Licorice Pizza has a little bit of score.
Very little.
I don't know. Any other scores
you guys liked?
I didn't jot down scores specifically
but like the
the Spencer score
I think it was one
I agree with you
that like it would have
been nice if that had been
sort of a resurface
my favorite score
of the year was on TV
actually it was
the Station Eleven score
the Dan Romer
we should listen to that
I love Dan Romer scores
it's a phenomenal score
I just want to give out
a word here
I'm just looking here
biggest reddest dog
goes to Clifford
the big red dog
upset all right I don't know but drive my car if you think about it metaphorically it's a nice red dog to give out an award here. I'm just looking here. Biggest reddest dog goes to Clifford the Big Red Dog. Upset.
All right.
I don't know,
but Drive My Car,
if you think about it
metaphorically,
it's a nice red dog.
It's a nice big red dog.
I could do
biggest reddest creature
and then turning red
would be an early
frontrunner for next year.
Yeah.
If I want to make
an evergreen category.
That's the thing
that's sort of underrated.
She doesn't turn into
a regular red panda.
She turns into
like a 10 foot tall
red panda.
Yeah, that's cool.
That fucking rules.
Great movie about hormones.
I wanted some spillover room for supporting actress,
so I created a category that is best performance
as a witch or ghost.
Okay.
Which is where...
It's a Ben category.
I know.
I don't want to step on any toes or anything like that, Ben.
But this is where Catherine Hunter
for Tragedy of Macbeth shows up for me.
Charlotte Rampling in Dune as a Bene Gesserit, who is part nun, part witch, I feel like.
Absolutely.
She's a witch.
Sure.
Yes.
This, basically the reason I created this category is because I wanted to give something
to Sarita Chaudhary for Green Knight.
Incredible.
Who is not in that movie enough to really crack supporting actress.
I thought about it and I was similarly like, it would be maybe a bit of a stretch.
It would be a stretch, but like.
Sarita Chaudhary, by the the way have you guys seen after Yang yet
oh yeah I don't want to spoil much
about after Yang but it begins with opening credits
in which every member of the cast does a dance
yep and her
it's one of those I sat down for the movie and I was like
I know Colin Farrell is in this I don't really know anything
else yep and so you're
seeing almost every cast member in this
opening credit sequence
before you meet them in the movie and when she pops up and pops off it's amazing it's spellbinding
you almost want to jump out of your seat yeah you're kind of it's great yeah yeah anyway yeah
an actress who's great in hologram for the king movie i'm now deciding i'm gonna make a running
bit of bringing up as much as i can i love three to two yeah same jennifer ely and saint maude which is not really fitting the category exactly whatever she counts
yeah she's scary and then finally the devil we don't know we don't know i mean we kind of know
but maybe and then timothy spall and spencer who i genuinely believed was dead for most of them
i mean yeah i like that performance i do too no to me the shining of it all right like they're
just like it's just like are you
is this guy dead is he maybe no he's definitely got like evil bartender from the shining energy
now i feel like both of you at different points in the year throughout predictions of performances
you thought might qualify for putters and murmurs i mean to me there's a runaway winner there was
look for me there's one that i saw the second it showed up on screen.
I went, this has to be it.
Look, again, I wish the car from driving my car counted,
but it's not really a putter.
That thing rides smooth.
Yeah, that's true.
Sorry.
It's not like Goofy's Jalopy.
I don't think it's the one that either of you predicted,
but there was one where when it popped up on screen,
I went, this has to be it.
Can I hear your predictions, Beau?
My winner for putters and murmurs
is Bradley Whitford in Tick, Tick, Boom.
This is what you told me.
Wesley Puttering and Murmurs.
That's a great one.
All Murmurs.
Yeah.
Who is your Putterer or Murmurer?
I mean, as soon as I saw Pig,
I sort of jotted down Nicolas Cage as an early favorite.
And I feel like you said to me,
like, is that a case where someone could win
Best Actor and Putters and Murmurs?
I think I texted you that.
The Turner.
Not a movie that I liked,
but I thought Mark Rylance in that movie
in Don't Look Up is a classic archetype.
Well, he's murmuring.
It's almost more of a grumbles and mumbles.
Well, he's got a little, though.
I mean, of course, yes, grumbles and mumbles,
which was, there was also mumbles and muffles
and stutters and stammers and glowers and frowners last year.
Yeah.
Well, apparently we also gave a best supporting thermos performance.
Oh,
Halloween.
Of course.
Yeah.
That was a tough category last year.
I had a couple on this year.
Is there a good thermos?
I can't think of one.
I,
I jotted down best whispers and shushers,
which is a,
a DASA as Dolores Madrigal in,
in Kanto.
Oh,
who whispers her way through that movie.
Yeah.
I love that character.
Uh, croakers and lurkers was Catherineatherine hunter in the trash perfect perfect hunchers and strutters which is my uh john magaro in many saints of newark as uh as silvio dante that performance
is the most unhinged performance it's the most performance of the year it's why why in the world
did you feel like you needed to give silvio a signature walk It's like he watched The Sopranos through a telescope
I'm like
What do you think you are doing
But the wrong end of a telescope
I spent half the movie being like who is he playing
And then I was like
He's supposed to be Silvio
Like wait a second
And then finally Clangers and Whistlers
For The Pipes and The Humans
Oh great pipe work in the humans
By the way the humans is about
These kids
The daughter of a family is throwing
Thanksgiving in her new apartment which she's just
Moved into so it's empty and the apartment
Is kind of like haunted in a New York
City way where like there's a lot of bangs and weird
Groans and noises and you're like is this just
Neighbors and the pipes or are we about to die like kind of weird the only new york city movie
that ever made me feel like i should leave new york city it's it's it's got it's got an intense
energy griff who is your runaway putterer runaway puttersman it's a small performance but it's
almost like a skill piece kind of win yeah steven root in the tragedy of mcbeth oh very good someone who was able to with less
than five minutes of screen time successfully putter and murmur his way through shakespeare
he does putter so well while being coherent and look obviously one of the all-time great putters
and murmurs when he wants to be yeah right but the fact that he was able to do it with that material
yeah and not bar at the expense of the movie.
Yeah.
That movie came in late, but you're right.
Yeah.
I loved Sondheim, but the second that performance came on screen, I went, I'm in love.
You haven't seen my number one Putters and Murmurs, though.
Which is?
I'm interested to see Brenda Deese Dice in Red Rocket, who actually has just passed away.
She is a good Putter and Murmur. Deese Dice in Red Rocket, who actually has just died.
She is a good putter.
She's the mother-in-law in Red Rocket. And it is classic.
Look,
I want to remind people that that first year where all three of us gave
Michael B.
Jordan best actor.
Yeah.
My close number two was Ian McKellen and Mr.
Holmes,
who originated this.
And I felt so bad that I was snubbing him,
that I gave him putters and murmurs
as a consolation prize.
A thing that has now
just become an ironclad
must address it.
That's history.
Yep.
I track it throughout
the year, Griffin.
I keep all the lists.
I'm trying to think
of some other ones.
Okay.
Jada Pinkett Smith
in The Matrix Resurrection.
Yep.
She putters.
Yep.
Rufus Sewell in Old.
Yes.
He murmurs.
Now, there's not a lot
of puttering.
No. But he murmurs a lot
The fish dad
Not the fish dad
The human dad in Luca
He's more of a mumbles and grumbles
He's a mumbles and grumbles
You're right
I mean Sean Harris in the Green Knight
Murmurs a lot
Doesn't really putter, he's stationary
Sits and murmurs
The puttering is really important
It is
It is important
You need the physicality of this
Yeah
Yeah I guess those are the main ones
Because if we
If we lose sight of the puttering
It just becomes
It's like what's happening to the Oscars right now
Right
It becomes least enunciation
You're tarnishing the brand
Right
Yeah
Which is not the spirit of the category.
Best Director.
All right.
Out to present Best Director, we have Luca Guadagnino, Bong Joon-ho, Steve McQueen, George Miller, and Kelly Reichardt.
International smorgasbord. Yeah. And Kelly Reichardt. An international smorgasbord.
And Kelly Reichardt.
Again, just a group you want to hang with.
Like a continental breakfast.
Can we stack them tallest to smallest?
Because Kelly Reichardt's like an even 4'8".
I feel like Bong is really tall.
I feel like there's a good...
Bong is weirdly tall.
Is Luca Guadagnino tall?
Is Luca tall?
Yeah.
The internet could tell us.
Six feet tall!
Alright. Not as tall as me, but
you know, whatever. My nominees
for Best Director of a Motion Picture
are... Yalkum Shrier.
Worst person in the world. Did I say his name wrong?
No, you got it. I think.
Paul Schrader for The Card
Counter and another good year
of Facebook posts.
All W's on that.
All W's.
Never taken an L, not once.
Jane Campiona for The Power of the Dog,
Wes Anderson for The French Dispatch,
and Wrigley Scott for The Last Duel.
Ridley Wrigley Scott.
Wow, making your ballot.
I know.
Good for you.
It's one of the few times that I feel
I've been fully Ridley-pilled
as much as I do like a lot of his movies.
But this year I was like,
that's some fucking directing.
Joe.
All right, I made a last minute change.
We're all very excited.
All right.
Wes Anderson in The French Dispatch.
Yes!
You talked me into it, Griffin.
Thank you.
So good job.
Thank you.
David Lowery for The Green Knight.
Jane Campion for The Power of the Dog.
Lin-Manuel Miranda for
Tick, Tick, Boom. Wow. And Steven Spielberg
for West Side Story.
David Sims. Jane Campion, Power of the Dog.
Steven Spielberg, West Side Story.
Steven Spielberg, West Side Story. I'm just going to nominate five.
No, I'm kidding. Joachim Trier,
Worst Person in the World. Pitchapong,
Weir's Ethical, or Memoria. That's the one I'm tripping over. Yoakum Trier, worst person in the world Pitchapong, weirdest ethical
Or Memoria
That's the one I'm tripping over
And Paul Thomas Anderson for Licorice Pizza
Those are my nominees
The blankies nominated
Jane Campion, Denis Villeneuve
Steven Spielberg
Paul Thomas Anderson and David Lowery
Villeneuve was the one I bumped off
At the last minute
That's what the Oscars did.
I'm surprised you bumped him too, David.
I'm a straight top five.
Almost always. It's very rare for me
to bump someone on my top five. And Dune is my...
Well, we'll get to it. But it isn't my
top ten. I do think that's
one of those ones where it's just like, just the
undertaking of it all. I appreciate it.
No, it's a wonderful piece of work. He rules.
And, you know, nice fun bonus points for trying to stick it to Warner Brothers appreciate it. It's a wonderful piece of work. He rules. Nice fun bonus points for
trying to stick it to
Warner Brothers as often as he tried to do
this year. Very much in his corner
on that. I mean, I don't want to even
talk about Runners Up because we'll talk about it in Best Picture, I
suppose. Lin-Manuel Miranda is my
sort of outlier from the two of y'all
and I mostly just
feel like... I think that's a great... I mean, we talked
about it when I mentioned the screenplay. That is a really, really difficult bit of adaptation like I think that's a great, I mean, we talked about it when, when I mentioned the screenplay,
like that is a really,
really difficult bit of adaptation.
And I think he gives every little part of that movie,
just a ton of care and energy and invests in it.
Yeah.
Just like everything feels infused with,
you know,
intent and,
and energy.
Like it's just a really
spectacularly
trying to
fussy their way
around
the conception
of
cinematic
musical
numbers
and he actually
has some really
interesting ideas
in that movie
he's my runner up
for first
film
Maggie is my
winner there
I should have done
a first film
but yes
well we have to do that in the Critics Circle,
so I had to think about it.
Griff, who's your winner?
My winner for Best Director,
once again in the name of
spreading the wealth, would be Jane Campion.
Jane Campion!
Probably going to win the Oscar.
My winner is Joachim Trier. Who you got?
I got Campion.
He's pretty good. He's pretty good at what she does.
Yeah.
We love her.
Yeah.
We just roll straight through to best picture?
Yeah.
Why not?
Okay.
I think so.
Best picture.
I didn't have, I didn't know who we could have done for.
Saul Zanetz.
Saul Zanetz.
Right.
Exactly.
Fame producers of yesteryear.
Come on, give us some.
I mean, all the ones that jump into your head
are disgraced and not worth talking about.
So yeah, Saul Zanetz it is.
He comes out alone.
The ghost of Saul Zanetz.
Why am I here?
All right.
Well, Griffin.
I'm just going to do it.
I'm just going to say it.
And I waffled on whether or not I could do it,
but I'm going to do it.
Because if I don't do it. I'm just going to say it and I waffled on whether or not I could do it, but I'm going to do it because if I don't do it,
I'm being dishonest. Once again,
this position I found myself
in several times before.
My number 10 movie of the year is F9.
Very good. I've got to be honest.
That's fair. Where do I have F9
on my list? I like that movie. We do love
the movies. I have it 62nd.
Okay, well, actually go fuck yourself.
I do really like that movie. No, I know, I know, but I'm just
saying, actually, in all earnestness, go fuck yourself.
I understand. Number nine, Undine.
Number eight, The Card Counter.
Number seven, The Last Duel.
Number six, Benedetta.
Number five, Tatant.
Number four,
Pig. Pig.
Number three, The Power of the Dog.
Number two, The Worst Person in the World.
Number one, The French Dispatch.
That's your movie.
That's my movie, baby.
Very good.
Good number.
Yeah.
Numbers.
Good numbers.
Good numbers, Griffin.
Thank you.
Very good.
Good job with the numbers.
Thank you.
All right.
Mine are number 10, The Green Knight.
Number nine is Flea.
Number eight is Pig.
Number seven is Tick, six is petite maman five is
four is red rocket three is shiva baby two is west side story and number one is the power of
the dog wow far far the blankies i should shout them out of course had i'll go 10 to 1 worst person at 10 pig at 9 last duel 8 matrix at 7
drive my car at 6 green knight at 5 west side story 4 dune at 3 power the dog 2 licorice pizza
was their best picture mine are number 10 the card counter number 9 dune number 8 the matrix
resurrections number 7 the green knight number 6 drive my car number 5 west side story number Dune. Number eight, The Matrix Resurrection. Number seven, The Green Knight. Number six,
Drive My Car. Number five,
West Side Story. Number four,
Power of the Dog. Number three,
Memoria. Number two, Licorice Pizza.
Number one, the worst person in the world
with a bullet. Wow.
Yeah, I know. Yeah. I mean, my list has been up
all year. Everyone knows what my topic is.
But I do love to update it.
That's what I love to do.
Constantly update lists.
Constant influx.
Yeah, I mean, I've kept my Letterboxd list unranked all year,
which is fun because once every two weeks,
someone will go, is this ranked?
Yeah.
Furious that The Little Thing still seems to be
my number one movie of 2021.
It would be a hot take.
It would be.
That's why they're just like,
what is the argument here?
Letterboxd covers and letters?
No, that's more of a
Snivels and
I don't know
Yeah
After Yang
Again, coming out next year
Oh
That's a movie where
Every actor has putters and murders
I think that's right
I think that's right
Koganada gets it
Yeah
Yeah
Those are
What a lovely year for cinemas I think it was a really good year are yeah what a what a lovely year for cinema i think it
was a really good year yeah i think it was a very good year i was very happy to have been able to
see everything that i did i want i wanted this was my festivaliest year ever actually even though
i only uh was able to attend new york in person but i was able to do Sundance and TIFF and New York all together for the first time ever, which was pretty rad.
Yeah, it's a good, I'm happy with my top 10.
It was an incredibly competitive top 10.
I kept shuffling a lot of things into those last sort of few spots.
If French Dispatches kind of knocked me away when I saw it, and it came out fairly early in the season, in September.
Yeah, in September, right?
But I'd already heard like three months of people being pretty
lukewarm on it for festivals.
My expectations were lowered, and I
fucking love Wes Anderson, but I'm not
a straight simp for him.
There are certainly movies of his that I dislike
or like to lesser degrees.
And this is like,
it's a top three movie of his
for me.
And I think, you know, the more ornate his films become, the more in your face his craft becomes.
Absolutely.
I think a lot of people understandably get suffocated by that.
But the one complaint I always find very frustrating is when people say, like, his movies aren't about anything.
Right.
Because I think increasingly, whether successfully or not, he is probing more and more
into things.
And I also think
he is using the artifice
and the sort of style
of his movies
to comment on these ideas
of presentation
and authorship
and culture and society
and all those sorts of things.
And French Dispatch
is like such an amazing ode
to the idea of authorship
in a way,
right? Because it's so much about like these three stories,
but these three stories are defined by who is telling them their perspective,
their perception of this event,
this subject,
this person,
this art,
whatever it is.
And,
and then the added level to it,
the thing that kind of knocks me out about that movie is that like,
it is weirdly the entire movie, a eulogy for a guy who has less than five minutes of screen time.
Who in so many ways is, like, a very incidental character.
Right.
And yet, by the end of the movie, you do feel, for me at least.
No, I know what you're saying. This sense of emotional grief for this guy who you didn't really know because the whole point was he was this invisible hand.
Right. because the whole point was he was this invisible hand. His life's work was this rich kid who took his fucking father's money
and shacked up in this odd town in France
and gave a bunch of weird expats the freedom to find subjects
that no one else was going to write about.
And what he did was just let them do that.
And when he died, they buried him in the middle of a field.
They gave him an editor's burial, right?
And this is his last testament.
No crying, you know, no sentimentality well remember after
the 2016 election and there would have been the sort of the immediate reactions whatever and one
of the things the sort of rallying points was we got to support the press a free press is going to
be like meryl streep's like cecil b demille acceptance speech like ended with this rallying
crowd like we have to support a free press it's going to be our first line of defense against
whatever is coming and it felt like a lot of people then were maybe like there was you know
people doing their sort of like ode to journalism and the press whatever and i was like this ends
up being wes anderson in the wes andersoniest way possible sort of this is what his ode to a
well-funded free press ends up being is this very particular,
you know, a world that has never quite existed, but in many, in our, you know,
in shades of our memories, it sort of did.
Which I think is what, the more his films get masked and artifice, the more he's commenting on
the idea of why we would want things that were this sort of innate and immaculate and whatever.
After mentioned Cam Collins wrote an incredible letterbox review of
Frenchess,
Bachelor of the Touch,
and a lot of things I like.
But for me,
the two things that are like just master strokes in that movie are,
and there's so many stylistic conceits that the first time I found it
overwhelming,
could not decipher why he was doing much of what he was doing.
But the,
the use of color the second time for
me when he decides to pop in because the stories are mostly black and white really kind of unlocked
what his interests are there, which is can you find moments of pure transcendent beauty in the
world, whether they are the work that someone makes or an experience or a person, the idea of
their life, what it's able to inspire or whatever. Those are the kinds of sparks that if you capture as a writer and you're able to communicate to
people can actually change the world in some microscopic way, perhaps.
Big orange caftan.
Yeah.
Right. But the other thing is every one of those stories has the final little
coda beat of Bill Murray editing the story.
Yes.
And the difference between those four and how he approaches those four writers
and the idea that he is not a good editor because he has his house style,
but that he knows how to nurture these four people
and understand what they're trying to do
and get the best out of them.
I find that movie unbearably emotional.
Do you guys want to make your cases for your number one?
I mean, that dog was really powerful.
Really powerful.
Just in that moment.
Really powerful.
I loved that movie.
I mean, it's whatever.
It's getting all
if and i just lathered we just yeah yeah uh um you know quite a quite a film obviously we've
talked about west side story um shiva baby is unbearably tense and also incredibly funny
red rocket we talked about i mean with i'd be by this by this time in the you know in the
podcast we've talked about everything. I didn't really talk about
Flea too much, but David, you mentioned it a little bit.
It's a really
wonderful little movie.
Yeah, I don't know. I like all
the movies that I said that
are in my list.
As always with not just the blankies, but like
I am done with 2021
in film. You've had to.
I've sort of gone over it.
So you can read my praise of worst person
or you can come at me, bro, or whatever.
You can text me.
Just text me.
So what's the best one on 2022 so far?
My number one is After Yang so far.
Yeah, it's very early.
Yeah, let me check here.
My number one is Jackass Forever.
Narrowly beating out Blacklight,
Hotel Transylvania,
Transylvania Transfer Transylvania,
Transfermania,
Moonfall.
I've done my thing
where like January
and February
is pretty much still
2021 catch up for me.
It's mostly catch up for me.
The year has just started.
Right.
The movies I've seen
this year have not been
movies of my life.
Have you charted?
I'm still,
I am still uncharted.
Will you be seeing
the Batman before
you go on your cruise?
No, right?
I don't think so.
I mean, how could you, really?
There are a couple ways I could do it, but I'm probably not going to do it.
The other thing is, I unfortunately have not yet witnessed the power of Dog.
I also have not yet lined up for Dog, but I would like to see it.
The Channing Tatum spring is upon us.
Bark, bark. Bark, bark. Ben ben do you have any words for us he's picking up the microphone microphone all right we're like two hours it's
always long i know and i'm tired i'm tired too i can wrap it up entertaining you've had guests
yes we have had guests uh at my home and we're about to get on a boat so we're
gonna go i'm gonna keep it short and sweet this year y'all yeah all right all right i got some
i got some original categories of my own that i've been doing again if you're a new listener
and somehow made it this far to this fucking shit congratulations anyway here we go all right so
normally i start out i have this whole thing where I'm like, what if you remake?
And then, you know, it's like with babies, with animals.
I'm switching things up this year.
Okay.
Right.
So I'm changing the conceit.
Okay.
Okay.
Instead of like, what if you redid?
What if you just took something out?
Oh.
Addition by subtraction.
Okay.
Correct.
So, okay. First up, the comedy in Don't Look Up, too much of too many laughs.
I don't know, Ben, though, because Jimmy Kimmel scolded us for nominating these very serious, boring movies like Don't Look Up instead of Spider-Man.
The austere, refined, arthouse sensibility of Don't Look Up rather than a populist movie like Spider-Man.
Sorry to be so controversial.
You're brave. You're brave. I know I am.
Thank you. Another thing
I'd love to just have taken out of
the film is the excitement
of Nightmare Alley.
I'm just too excited.
Wow.
Body blow.
Like, I felt my heart just beating at such a fast rate the whole time
i was worried for my health yeah you thought you might have to you know is there a doctor
in this movie theater truly yeah okay yeah too much reality and realism in house of gucci yeah House of Gucci. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I was like, is this a documentary? Is this a baritone?
What's going on?
Yeah.
It's wild.
It's wild.
Just take that old guy
out of Dear Evan Hansen.
Oh, wow.
What is up with that guy?
He's old.
How did he just
went to a beach?
What can I tell you?
Just wandered on set
or something.
Universal had both
of those movies.
They could have just
cut it in.
It would have made
the movie work better probably.
All right.
So moving on, of course, we have each year the Weddies movies.
I like to reward the Golden Mop for achieving great moments in moisture, wetness, dampness.
Truly the puppy bowl to our Super Bowl.
Really.
So films that have soaked the know the best so they've soaked
through there's 2021 it's gotten to the floorboards it's yeah yeah yeah and like i also in the years
passive pic movies that made me cry and i just decided to zero in on just really one film
because i think it just achieved wetness in a lot of different ways. No nominees, just
one award. One award.
Exactly. And it's licorice
pizza. And it's because
they flood a fucker's house.
They do flood a fucker's house. And he deserves it
and it's entertaining as fuck. And they sell
waterbeds. And they sell waterbeds.
And they're sweaty and you know.
There's a gas crisis.
That's a liquid. That is. Interesting because gas crisis yeah that's a liquid that is interesting
because gas crisis leads me to my next new thing oh you know i've also been years to this ben i'm
just luxuriating right now i need a little more episode time okay well uh you know in the years
past i've also revealed to myself to be somewhat of a dry guy and so
I thought why not
if I have a wet category
why not add a dry category
I haven't come up with a better name
other than the dries
so I'm open for you know any kind of
input on that one
and so the golden broom
this year goes to West Side Story
because the movie is so, so dusty.
There's such a delightful way.
Mountains of salt?
Oh, my God.
Very dry.
Salt.
Oh, the salt, David.
What about...
I just want to say...
Dune!
The movie is like...
Motherfuckers!
Dune!
Of no moisture planet.
It's about spice.
And they're surrounded by a different type of granular material.
I had Dune on here.
Look, see?
You can see I crossed it out.
Okay, you can cross it out.
Okay, so there is proof.
It's too obvious.
And also because I just, I think, Wes,
I would have enjoyed to sweep the set of West Side Story.
You know what I'm saying?
Dune feels unsweepable.
I would love to have a golden broom to sweep up that set.
I can tell you an anecdote that Spielberg revealed
on the DGA podcast, which is Janusz Kaminski,
the cinematographer, kept
adding puddles
to the set because he loves
lights bouncing out of a puddle and all that.
And the
producer would be like, you can't do this. You're going to
hurt someone. One of these dancers
is going to slip in the puddles.
And they kept drying his puddles up.
Like, Anush was basically like,
come on, I want a swimming pool of water out there.
Anyway, so wet and dry.
That's amazing. That's incredible.
Wow. And then the
classic category, um, no
thank you. Um, no thank you.
Now again, so nothing's being replaced
with fruit or babies or anything?
No, no, no. It was subbed out.
I know.
I know.
I just kind of shouldn't think so.
There'll be an outcry.
There will be.
There'll be an outcry.
There will be an outcry.
I'm sure there will be.
There will be an outcry.
There will be.
There will be pushback.
Guillermo del Toro's going to complain.
This is not the right year to do this.
Cinema's still recovering.
I get the body blow to me, but why do this?
Yeah.
Okay.
So, yeah. So, the um, no thank yous is pretty self-explanatory
and again i'm sorry i uh you know i nominate multiple movies normally but there's really
just one winner oh i don't think this should come as a surprise but just in case i don't know i'll
just come right out and just say a big old um no thank you to being the Ricardos
that shit looks miserable and awful
and just not entertaining in the
least bit whatsoever I could
not couldn't pay me to do it
I you would have to chain me down
just to explain to people who don't know I'm no thank
yous are movies Ben refuses to watch no thank
you don't need it any other I'm no
thank yous or is that the winner and then of course i just have a couple of honorable mentions so first of all another
new kind of just thing uh that i might start up we'll see how it goes if i want to keep doing this
uh anyway i'm starting off with the i'm sorrys and the i'm sorry is i really i'm sorry to the
father that movie fucked me up I was so negative on it.
I was like, this is an old guy and it seems
like it's about senility and it seems really
depressing. I watched it on a plane. I cried
my fucking life away.
It's an incredible film. Okay, now just
for perspective, I do want to remind people
that you did also cry your eyes out
on a plane at the opening scene of Paw Patrol
the movie, a film you did not have headphones
on for and were watching over the shoulder
of the person sitting in front of you. That is correct.
A scene in which a car
swerves out of the way to not hit a dog
on a bridge. That sounds good.
But then the car is hanging down off the bridge
and the dog saves the car.
And they save the guy because he's a good guy.
Obviously, he swerved out of the way to not hit the...
Alright, we can't get into this
Ben's crying
that's the real power of the dog
that is the real power of the dog
bark bark
okay best pig goes to pig
of course what a good pig
no offense to pig your cat
no I know sorry pig you always are
in my heart best mullet goes to Matt
Damon in the last duel absolutely
fucking killer haircut
unbelievable killer the hair work in that
haircuts that goes bad all the way
around like a horseshoe haircut
yeah it's amazing all right
and then lastly I just want to say
honorable mention
of historical psychedelia
to Green Knight because I think
that's just like a really interesting thing
I've never seen before.
And I'm like, I wanted to grab Coleridge
and just read some fucking
Kublai Khan-ass shit
after seeing that movie.
I love it. Anyway, that's me.
Ben Hosley on Blank Check.
7th Annual Blanky Awards.
My original categories.
We did it, guys. It's the end of the
episode. Take us away.
Well, you know,
people are still reeling from the shock
that we repositioned
and restructured the entire ceremony
to build up to movie
I would replace with dogs or
babies. Right, of course.
Animals or babies or fruit. Whatever the category
was. I'm just saying we restructured the entire ceremony to build up to that as the final award because we thought that was going to be the most emotional point of the night.
Of course.
And unfortunately, now there's no winner.
And then Anthony Hopkins won Best Actor instead.
Right.
So Joaquin Phoenix is kind of just standing on stage patting his legs and we're going to whip him over to Questlove who now has to by default act like the host
and go thank you for tuning
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Thank you to Joe Reed.
Thanks for having me once again.
I don't know.
This had Oscar buzz. Yeah, this had Oscar
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I can't wait to listen.
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Margaret, Dave, and I have both been on the show yes uh i did an episode on jude law's
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Yeah, here's the thing
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The filmmaking.
Yeah. It's very
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We've done a handful of them and it's
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It's easy. Especially the early ones.
You're just like, what energy this guy's
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so we're up to
H-A-P-P-Y on the
birthday sign
do we want to run through some screenplays
quickly before we get to the lead actors
I also just want to say
I've been recording for an hour and 20 minutes screenplays quickly before we get to the lead actors? Yeah. I also just want to say,
I've been recording for an hour and 20 minutes.
So I think we should maybe... We're going to speed it up.
We're just talking about speed.
I'm not mad.
I'm just saying.
You sound mad.
You sound furious.
Be honest.
I'm mad.
Okay.
Very mad.
I'm just going to say my screenplays very quickly.
Yeah, the screenplays are always quicker.