Blank Check with Griffin & David - The Seventh Annual Blank Check Awards with Joe Reid

Episode Date: March 13, 2022

It’s Hollywood’s biggest night - that’s right, it’s the Seventh Annual Blankies! “This Had Oscar Buzz” host Joe Reid joins us as always to celebrate our favorite films of 2021. Will Griffi...n award something weird this year? Is anyone going to stump for Being The Ricardos? What crazy categories will Ben come up with? Walk down the red carpet and find out! Join our Patreon at patreon.com/blankcheck Follow us @blankcheckpod on Twitter and Instagram! Buy some real nerdy merch at shopblankcheckpod.myshopify.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Live from Brooklyn, New York, it's the 7th Annual Blank Check Awards. Here at Blank Check headquarters, fans have gathered since dawn for a glimpse of their favorite podcasters. Here's Griffin Newman quickly chowing down on a sandwich off mic before sitting down to record. And there's doggy daddy David Sims struggling to find a parking space. I'm walking here! I'm walking here! I'm walking here! I'm walking here! Host of This Had Oscar Buzz, Joe Reed, arrives flanked by an entourage of questionable Nicole Kidman performances.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Is it Ben Hosley over there riding a dang horse down the red carpet? Join us as we honor our favorite films of 2021. It's the Blankies. For more than five years, the world has been fascinated by the Blankish. They are more than just an entertainment. They are the force that binds us together, the common link that touches the humanity of all of us. And that is why we love to listen to The Blankage. And so tonight, our podcast invites the world to celebrate the magic of listening to The Blankage. Enjoy.
Starting point is 00:02:01 Sorry, I know you don't like me clapping on mic. That was wonderful. Should I have gone full accent on that? I couldn't decide if it was funny. Because if I did full accent, I would have given it away. Yeah, I was you don't like me clapping on mic. That was wonderful. Should I have gone full accent on that? I couldn't decide if it was funny. Because if I did full accent, I would have given it away. Yeah, I was going to say, you lose that element of surprise.
Starting point is 00:02:10 That was my strategic decision. Yeah. Now, Connery, of course, gave it away when he walked out on stage. We were like, that's Sean Connery. He did, in fact, give away that he was Sean Connery. He should have been shrouded in darkness. By being Sean Connery.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Right. And he should have done an American accent until he said, the movies. And then suddenly, suddenly the lights switch I think he's very good at American accent yeah he should have done his untouchables accent up until yeah I'm a man from Chicago the only movie I can think of where I actually feel like he put an effort into changing his voice is Marnie a movie that is good sure but his accent sticks out right like that movie's is Marnie. A movie that is good, but his accent sticks out. Right. Like, that movie's like,
Starting point is 00:02:47 Marnie, listen to me, I'm an American man. Like, it will pop in like that. Is DeMovie the same year that he presents Supporting Actress to Catherine Zeta-Jones? No.
Starting point is 00:02:58 That's a different year? That was a different year. Where he had the big cravat. Cash train. And he kept, because it's obviously Catherine Zeta-Jones and Queen Latifah so he says Chicago twice
Starting point is 00:03:07 which is great and I also thought he did the movie the year after that the year after that the movie is the opening to the Return of the King to the Return of the King Oscars the 03 awards and the king of course as we talked about
Starting point is 00:03:23 in a recent episode was Billy why did he wait why did he present supporting actress awards so um and the king of course as we've talked about in a recent episode was billy why did he yes but why wait why did he present supporting actress to katharina zeta jones where was broad jim broad you take your chances with these when you give oscars to sort of older british actors like dollars to donuts they're in the west end doing something and this is why he's like look richard air called right yeah exactly they're not these fame whores who are gonna drop everything just to present an award to katherine zeta jones i am demanding jones was pregnant when she won very very i remember that yeah and when she took the stage she said of course uh my scotsman she did the welsh the
Starting point is 00:04:00 welsh girl getting her oscar from this because they had done entrapment together of course and when he can'tces the award, he says, Catherine. And he doesn't even like, which... Yes, I remember that. My coworker at the time, I remember, I went into work the next morning, and he was like, they had sex.
Starting point is 00:04:15 She's just like, that's how you know that they had sex when they made Entrapment, is because the way he said Catherine. And I was like, you're probably not wrong. You know the other way I know they had sex when they made Entrapment? Watching Entrapment. Watching Entrapment. Yeah. David, what were you going to say? I just remember, I're probably not wrong. You know the other way I know they had sex when they made Entrapment? Watching Entrapment. Watching Entrapment.
Starting point is 00:04:25 Yeah. David, what were you going to say? I just remember, I think there was some complaint about him saying Catherine because Kathy Bates was also nominated. Oh, sure. And I think Kathy Bates confirmed,
Starting point is 00:04:33 like, I did have, like, a millisecond of, like, wait, does he mean me? Right. See, my thing was, so that was when they had the five boxes and then the camera would zoom into the one. Classic, yes. And his accent, I don't know if people know this, Sean Conner's accent was very strong.
Starting point is 00:04:52 And he only said Catherine. I hate taxes. Right. He said it in his way. Yes. Where the entire, whatever party I was at with my parents watching the Oscars that year, when he said, and the Oscar goes to Catherine. Right before that, someone had said, how great would showed, Casper. Right before that,
Starting point is 00:05:05 someone had said, how great would it be if Queen Latifah won? And then he went, then he went, and we went, what? And the camera started zooming in
Starting point is 00:05:12 and Latifah was right next to him. I think you've mentioned this. I've definitely mentioned this before because this is the sixth annual blankies. This is the seventh annual blankies, my friend.
Starting point is 00:05:22 That's why I said more than five years because Connor said more than a hundred and I was like, pick a number yeah um this is the seventh i always forget the seventh because right yeah no our first blankies was for the 2015 film year right and this is the 2021 film year so that sounds like six but it's actually seven this is our seventh ceremony and then we sort of did the governor awards on patreon last year for best of the
Starting point is 00:05:44 decade right right um but but this is blank check the griffin david a podcast about film This is our seventh ceremony, and then we sort of did the Governor Awards on Patreon last year for Best of the Decade. We did do a Best of the Decade. Right. Right. But this is Blank Check with Griffin David, a podcast about filmography. Directors have massive success. Early on in their career, they give us a series of blank checks. We're a crazy prep. Blank checks.
Starting point is 00:05:54 Sometimes it's a bounce baby. But once a year, we get to pick the Oscars. We dress up like Siskel and Ebert, and we stand on stage at Walt Disney World. I feel like they always used to do that at Walt Disney World. Very possible. Disney Synergy? Sure, yes. And we tell people how smart and cool
Starting point is 00:06:13 and great our brains are by picking who we would give awards to. And as always, we bring in our dear friend and Oscar expert. Host of This Had Oscar Buzz, which, I mean, I feel like so often now with the when we
Starting point is 00:06:30 do this record on the timeline of any given year becomes a sort of final attempt to give credit to someone who maybe missed out on an Oscar. It's true. Or nomination that they deserve. That's not our sole goal, but as I was solidifying, finalizing my list, there was a little bit of like, I'm going to put this person who otherwise didn't get the tip.
Starting point is 00:06:50 Yep. The tip of the cap. Yep. Joe Reed. Happy to be here. Reading Rangio. I was very happy that you brought out the Reading Rangio. I was like, is Griffin going to remember?
Starting point is 00:06:58 Got to do it. Yeah. Happy to be here. I sort of soldiered my way through a brain hemorrhage on the train here as I was screaming Shania Twain into the ether. One of the oddest moments I've experienced in this podcast where I was like, this is kind of, I think I start going like, that don't impress me much. Right?
Starting point is 00:07:18 Like I actually start like beaming song. This is the thing. Okay, so for people who aren't on the Patreon, what better incentive to get them to plunk down $5 a second? In our commentary for the first Matrix movie, we spent seven minutes trying to remember Shania Twain's name. David is trying to give us clues. All the clues.
Starting point is 00:07:34 Mr. Policeman, you got all the clues. That's the thing. You told us everything, and the game just became, Ben and I both know exactly who we're talking about. We know what she looks like. We know the lyrics to her songs. We picture the music videos. What was her name?
Starting point is 00:07:46 And I feel like there are times where people are yelling at me through their podcatchers because I'm failing to get a fucking box office game. We're forgetting the title of something. But it's more abstract. This was like, this was that fucking Wheel of Fortune clip of feather in my cap. Feather in my lap. Feather in my map. Feather on my cap we had everything we needed yep yep well on uh our podcast we do uh imdb game we try and guess
Starting point is 00:08:15 the known force for the nb and so we constantly get listeners being like i was screaming you didn't get this one and i was like i know i know it's like part of the imdb game for people who don't listen to this, have an Oscar buzz. And to those people, what are you doing? What are you doing with your time? The game is what are the top four projects that are listed as best known for
Starting point is 00:08:36 on IMDb, on anyone's IMDb page? That you're dealing with a wacky algorithm. Unpredictable. You're forgetting big things, but it's also big in a weird way. We just did Diane Keaton's You Would Not Believe, the Woody Allen movie besides Annie Hall
Starting point is 00:08:52 that was on her note for her. Manhattan Murder Mystery? No. I can't even remember the title of it. Oh, interesting. It was like from 75. It was... Her IMDb?
Starting point is 00:09:04 Yes. Her top four? Yes. I can take a look yeah take a look uh love and death the one weird movie but like of all the diane keaton movies to show up on the imdb game yeah it's very very odd but this look
Starting point is 00:09:17 things make sense here on the blankies always you can't deal in with these big unruly voting bodies. The influence of big studios pushing their product. We can't be campaigned. We are immune. We cannot.
Starting point is 00:09:33 By the way, thank you to Warner Brothers Home Entertainment for sending me a swag box from the Matrix Resurrections. I appreciate all the limited edition items they gave me. But we can't be bought here. Nope. Also, the Shawshank Redemption box, but that wasn't in competition this year, obviously. But Sterling new 4K restoration. Tim Robbins for best actor?
Starting point is 00:09:51 What do you have written down here? Bob Gunn supported. It is a good performance. Who's better in Shawshank, Robbins or Freeman? Freeman. It's still Freeman, but Robbins is better. But it's certainly a good performance by Tim Robbins. I think it is.
Starting point is 00:10:05 It's probably Robbins' best performance, right? Well, I'm a big fan of like Bull Durham or whatever. I'm too. No, I'm too. I mean, my math is like, is it Bull Durham? Is it Shawshank? Or do you really zag and go like it's High Fidelity? You know, he's really good in, he's very funny in High Fidelity, actually.
Starting point is 00:10:21 Get your patchouli stink out of my store. I realize he doesn't even say that line, but when Kusak says patchouli stink, I've never forgotten that. Oh, and it was in either the trailer or the TV spots, definitely, because I remember that sequence of them just fantasizing about it.
Starting point is 00:10:37 I really like his performance in Jacob's Ladder, which is a goofy movie, but he's so locked in there, and I love goofy movie, but he's so locked in in that. And I love the player. Yeah. Well, and also, I mean, when you talk about like... Yeah, the player's great. I just think I think Shawshank, better
Starting point is 00:10:53 performance, although I may be like... It's a good performance. It's good. I haven't seen the Shawshank Redemption in a long time. I mean, here's the thing for me. Shawshank Redemption lasts 30 to 45 minutes, 10 best movies of all time. Like, the IMDb status, I totally agree with for the last 40 minutes. I like the entire movie. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:10 The last 40 minutes are transcendent. Shawshank is one of those movies that benefited in the popular culture from being the IMDb number one movie and really suffered among, like, the nerds. People got really mad about it being cheesy, which it is. And, like, also the fact that Darabont never made another Great movie until You can argue for The Mist But The Green Mile and The Majestic both stink
Starting point is 00:11:33 The Green Mile was such a big hit It was But definitely He did not have this sort of Francis Ford Coppola-esque career That had been promised I just want to acknowledge Have you introduced our guest? did not have the sort of like Francis Ford Coppola-esque career that had been promised or whatever. I just want to acknowledge...
Starting point is 00:11:47 Have you introduced our guests? I know you said the podcast... I said reading Rain Joe. I said Joe Reed, of course. I'm sorry. I was just... No, no, no, no. I got the basic place setting out of the way, but I do want to say for people who are enjoying
Starting point is 00:11:58 this sort of side tangent into Best Tim Robbins performances, talking about previous Oscar ceremonies, things that have been annoying that we forgot on episode records in the past. We have dropped four or five categories from this year's ceremony. Yes. In order to allow more time for these types of moments, which we find tend to go viral. Right. We want these sort of must listen moments for our blankies.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Yeah, absolutely. We want to cut out the moments where the people are walking up to the stage because clearly that's been the problem. Boring. Look at my watch. I'm turning over the channel. Walking?
Starting point is 00:12:30 Get out of here. Take your time, production design winner. Yesterday, as we're recording this, they released the whatever top eight contenders for the popular Twitter voted Oscar. And so many avenues of just embarrassing. Minimata. The Depp thing is just depressing. The Depp movie is straight up depressing. That there are people out there power voting for Johnny Depp.
Starting point is 00:12:51 I also just don't believe any of those people have seen that movie. That's the bigger thing. Because the Snyder Army, the Cinderella Army, I'm like, whatever. I think they genuinely like those movies. Well, I don't think the Depp army has rented Minamata. Well, and also, like, when you're dealing with, like... We really shouldn't talk too much about it. No, we're not. Pop stans. That's all we're gonna say. Like, pop stans
Starting point is 00:13:10 should not be under it. Like, Camila Cabello and whatever, like, that's a whole other thing. But, like, the fact that The Power of the Dog is then the top eight, like, if The Power of the Dog wins, and after all of this rigmarole, your Best Picture winner and your popular Oscar winner are the same, I would die of laughter. That would be very funny. But also, if The Power of the Dog wins and then Cinderella wins, then you're just like, rigmarole yeah your best picture winner and your popular oscar winner are the same yeah i would
Starting point is 00:13:25 die very funny but also it probably wins and then cinderella wins then you're just like what is this well right here's my question yeah yeah why did they throw this to twitter right i was gonna say i said this to allison one where i was talking with her this morning. Even Blank Check finally was like, maybe let's take the fan voting off Twitter. A bad podcast run by idiots. Right. And then the Oscars were like, let's do a popular award this year.
Starting point is 00:13:52 Well, how do we decide popularity? I don't know. Hashtags on Twitter. Yeah. Any idiot. Put a poll on your site. Right. Of course, these things are always gameable.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Right. But you don't want just the Twitter. That's your box. The absolute worst possible vector for that But that is all the more evidence That the Blankies this year That's fine Fantastic
Starting point is 00:14:12 A best case scenario All the more evidence that the Blankies now have more integrity Than the Academy Awards Welcome To the most high integrity awards In film The Globes, they're done I'll return to the most high integrity awards in film I mean the Globes they're done stick a fork in them
Starting point is 00:14:27 our return to the movies last year obviously a weird ceremony oh I listened back to it the other day haunting it was haunting is the right word for it you were really you were going through it you were really in a bad place I was it fucked me up to cause that was one of the last it had been a whole year right it was just like
Starting point is 00:14:44 that sort of demarcation I also had a hard out that day to go to a cardiologist appointment like no one was feeling good yeah it was bad it's so it was it's so nice to be like to look at my list and be like early in the year i split it into like streaming versus theatrical viewing in terms of logging and it's it's nice to just see how many fucking movies i saw in theaters this year yeah uh and and in a very surprising turn of events going over my list very few nominations for movies i watched uh on streaming yeah if any which you largely avoided i would say i did you like really try i remember you you would the new netflix movies you would try and go see them. And I'll say a couple of my blind spots
Starting point is 00:15:26 for the year that are embarrassing are because I refuse to watch them on streaming and I have not gone around to seeing them in theaters. There are a couple big movies I missed that I feel a lot of shame about. What are you going to do? But I'm also about to go on a cruise ship with limited Wi-Fi,
Starting point is 00:15:39 so I loaded them all onto my iPad and I'm going to watch all the movies I need to see on a boat. Will you be on a boat? I'll be, will you be on a boat? I'll be on a boat. Uh, dressed as Watto. Watto on water.
Starting point is 00:15:49 But you're not going to be dressed as Watto the whole time, right? No, unfortunately contractually. You gotta, gotta hit the buffet. If they ever spot you out of costume, you get docked.
Starting point is 00:15:58 They throw me off the boat. They go, where's your ticket? This ticket says Watto the Toydarian on it. Nonsense. Nonsense. Imagine this being your first episode where should we start um that's a good question we usually start with a supporting actor i feel like much like uh the oscars themselves you can pick if you want to do act last year we started with supporting actress i'll. I'll tell you that. Well, then we should start with Supporting Actor. Hey, I love it. Kind of like how, you know,
Starting point is 00:16:27 the monarch's face on British currency, and this is going to be a real short tangent, faces in an opposite direction. By the way, editing just got cut out. Go on. No, it's fine. We want the tangent, but editing's gone. The Oscars are like,
Starting point is 00:16:40 yeah, we can't do editing this year, and then I take the stage, and I'm like, so the monarch's face on British currency always faces in the opposite direction from the last monarch okay but but so so george the i'm sorry george the fifth faced in a certain direction okay and then he died and the throne passed to his son edward the eighth but edward the eighth was like well i don't like my face from that other side literally was so vain was like i want part. So he was going to defy tradition
Starting point is 00:17:06 and face in the same direction as his dad. Yeah. Then, of course, he almost immediately abdicated the throne because he wanted to marry a divorced woman. Right. And George VI took the throne. And so George VI had his face face in the same direction as his dad,
Starting point is 00:17:19 as if pretending like, well, my brother's face was going to face the other way. Wow. So, and that's why that's... He was like, face was going to face the other way wow uh so and that's why that's he was like i'm going to maintain the tradition even though there are like rare coins that were minted for every the eighth you can get your hands on where he's facing in the same direction i'm just i'm confused how would you know that the lifetime achievement award for the bit um yeah. So, but speaking of facing one direction.
Starting point is 00:17:47 So, you know the whole thing about how Barbara Streisand has her good side. Of course. She always wants to be seen on her good side. When she was on the Rosie O'Donnell show and on Oprah, they made them switch the set around so that she would be facing the other direction. So, I'm watching one of those Oscars family albums from when they gathered all these living Oscar winners on the stage at the Oscars. Yes. 10, 15 minutes just to like read names.
Starting point is 00:18:08 It's glorious. My favorite. Love it. And sure enough, Barbra Streisand is faced fully sideways as she's sitting there as they pan about her. I was just like,
Starting point is 00:18:16 that is commitment to a personal style. Good for her. Very good for her. She has a underground mall. She does. We talked about it on... She absolutely does.
Starting point is 00:18:24 And actually, I don't even remember which episode Christine? The movie about the killer car? Duh But might be one of our top committing to the bit People in the world I mean has an underground mall Like always on Has the good side
Starting point is 00:18:40 I mean I love it this is incredible If Streisand wins your March Madness Like you can talk about the mall To your heart's content We would have to do it good side. I mean, I love it. This is incredible. If Streisand wins your March Madness, like, you can talk about the mall to your heart's content. We could talk about it. We would have to do it. We could do, like, a podcast, The Ride, Downtown Disney Ordeal, where we do an episode for every store at the mall.
Starting point is 00:18:55 Fantastic. I don't know about that. I don't know. I think we're going to do it. Alright, so in the interest of bringing pageantry to the blankies at a time when pageantry is sorely lacking. It's got to go viral this year. We've talked, I'm sure we've talked about before, if not on Mike, then certainly off,
Starting point is 00:19:12 the two years that the Oscars did acting category presentations where they brought out five, the first year it was five former winners in the category. The next year it was like five people with like a relationship to the nominees to sort of. The second time, did they have to be winners or were they just no they didn't know because it was the first time it was when she presented to streep and yes right um but the first year the the 08 oscars was five oscar winners tangential at best relationships like goldie Hawn is giving her ode to Raji P. Henson, but it's great. The randomness, I think, was part of the appeal.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Kevin Kline, Alan Arkin, Cuba Gooding Jr. Cuba Gooding Jr., Robert Downey Jr. is the one I remember a lot. Right. And then the other two. Oh, Joel Grey. Joel Grey. I sort of think the best five-person lineup in its weirdness. Yeah, it was fantastic. It was great. So, in the interest of that, I sort of
Starting point is 00:20:04 delved back into Blankie's history and I procured a five-person panel to present each award made up of former Blankie's winners. Wow. Anyone we had chosen as our top of the year. So for Best Supporting Actor... It has to be a Blankie winner, though.
Starting point is 00:20:22 Has to be a Blankie winner. Only winners. Right. Next year might be Friends of Winners. Right. So picture a blankie winner, though. Has to be a blankie winner. Only winners. Right. Next year might be friends of winners. Right. So picture the stage, the whatever, the scrimmage. The five sort of banners lifting. Five figures in shadow in the back.
Starting point is 00:20:35 Yes, exactly. Best supporting actor. All right. So emerging from the back of the stage,her shala ali willem defoe alden aaron reich mark rylance and michael shannon i present best supporting actor an incredible crew right i'm happy to see alden back i just remind people that Michael Shannon won for Chex Notes the night of. The night of. The night before. Oh, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:21:08 I'm sorry. He was your winner. Yes. I already figured out what that movie is called, Stand Behind That Wind. Mahershala won Best Supporting Actor for Moonlight for Me and You, Griffin. And then Michael, sorry, then your supporting actor was Alden Aaron. Alden Aaron. That was a real coin toss here between those two performances. And then who else have we got?
Starting point is 00:21:26 I'm sorry. Dafoe has won twice. Because I gave him Lighthouse and David gave him Florida. David gave him Florida Project. And Rylance, of course. That Bridge of Spies. We love that Bridge of Spies. Yes, I gave him Bridge of Spies.
Starting point is 00:21:42 Yeah. I did. A good performance yes in my opinion you know what i like about that performance how good it is the acting it's the secret weapon he brings the acting the acting so good in his performance so here we are and of course i will uh i'll be reading out the blankies. Oh, yes. Voters results as well. But they do a 10. Right. Supporting and 10 lead thing.
Starting point is 00:22:08 They do, you know, gender neutral categorizing. Which we do just because we're... Well, we're imitating the Oscars. Exactly. In their infinite wisdom. But it is time for the best supporting actor. We're going to talk about the cinema of 2021. Yes.
Starting point is 00:22:19 Our Oscar nominees as well. I just want to say, I don't have any qualifiers. Like, I do usually in these years where I go like, I just want to say, I don't have any qualifiers like I do usually in these years where I go like, I just want to say off the bat. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:28 There is one guy who was really my number six who I cut and it was really painful for me and I cut him solely because
Starting point is 00:22:37 I felt it was unlikely that he would not be picked by one if not both of you. Well, we'll talk about it. And I'm just crossing my fingers
Starting point is 00:22:45 and hoping I won't rue the day. That's all I wanted to say. I'm also going to read out the Oscar nominees. Okay. Very good. Kieran Hines in Belfast. Troy Kotzer in Coda. Who I think is probably going to win.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Feels like it's a lot of heat. Seems like it now. A lot of heat. Jesse Plemons in Power of the Dog. Cody Smith-McPhee in Power of the Dog. And I won't speak the last one aloud. It's J.K. Simmons in Being the Ricardos. I do love J.K. Simmons. It's just a terrible
Starting point is 00:23:09 nomination. I do, too. It falls into that Alan Arkin Argo category for me, where I'm like, if you're nominating that, you should have nominated literally every other performance he's given in between. To me, it's also kind of like the Michael Shannon nominations, where I'm like, that's the one you like from him
Starting point is 00:23:25 like that's the one that i will say having having watched at a guild screening the people loved it really every single i know a certain type of voter was very given and i don't think it's a bad performance i think he's i mean i like that movie but i like, I think he's better in Tomorrow War than he is in being the Ricardo. He might be better in Tomorrow War. I think he might be. But like, Patriot's Day is a better supporting J.K. Simmons performance.
Starting point is 00:23:52 Who have you chosen? Yeah. I have chosen. I'm hoping I don't regret chopping the one guy off. I have chosen Bradley Cooper for the motion picture Licorice Pizza.
Starting point is 00:24:03 Sure. Benicio Del Toro for the motion picture The French Dispatch Jeffrey Wright, The French Dispatch Very good performance Anders Danielson-Lai, The Worst Person in the World I think it's Lee, but I'm not entirely sure Well, I'm stupid, and thank you
Starting point is 00:24:18 for making me look stupid Those Norwegian names can be a little tricky And my fifth nominee Jeremy Irons, House of Gucci. Your man. You've been back in that train the whole time. I've been back in that train
Starting point is 00:24:29 for a long time. Very good. Nice. Should I go? Please. All right. My five are Coleman Domingo
Starting point is 00:24:35 for Zola. Okay, thank you. He was my number seven. I'm glad he got it. You got your cover. Mike Feist for West Side Story. Simon Helberg
Starting point is 00:24:45 for Annette great performance yeah Anders Danielson Lee for The Worst Person in the World and I'm pivoting Alex Wolff for Pig
Starting point is 00:24:56 wow Alex Wolff for Pig is a good performance he was on my long list who are you cutting? Cody Smith-McPhee who like he's the Oscar's
Starting point is 00:25:04 we had to cut him. But I love him. He's so fantastic. But also, I think the longer we've done this and the more people listen to the show, the more we're like, if the guy got an Oscar nomination, we don't have to put him in there.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Yeah. This is our space. Who is your guy? I don't think I have him. Let's see. Give me your five, David. All right. My five are Anderson Anderson Lee
Starting point is 00:25:21 and the worst person in the world. Mike Feist and West Side Story. So I share that. Those are my two. Sure. Ben Affleck and The Last Duel. Very good. Vincent Landon and Tatan.
Starting point is 00:25:31 Now I know we've had a supporting lead combo about him, but I haven't been supporting, obviously, because he shows up halfway into the movie. We might discuss this later. Right. 100%. And Richard Ayoade in The Souvenir Part 2. Fuck.
Starting point is 00:25:41 Aha. Fuck. I mean, I know you're sad about that, but it's a good nomination for me. No. So there were two bubble guys I 2. Aha. Fuck. I mean, I know you're sad about that, but it's a good nomination for me. No, so there were two bubble guys I cut. Yeah. Okay. One was Coleman Domingo.
Starting point is 00:25:50 I'm very happy he was represented. The other one is one that we've talked about a lot. I think we both were like, can we fucking put him on there? Wait, is it the same as me, I wonder? No, maybe not. Who is your cut? Mine, so ever since I saw the movie,
Starting point is 00:26:02 I'm like, well, Andrew Garfield's making my supporting actor for Spider-Man. Because I think he's so much better than he needs to be in that movie. I agree. I think he's wonderful in that. But then like, I feel like the culture has amply rewarded him. He's doing fine.
Starting point is 00:26:14 I think he's doing fine. Yeah. And then my other one was Skylar Gisando for Licorice Pizza. An incredible pick. Who was briefly in that movie, but like, is maybe my favorite thing about that movie. I also really like the Penn performance. I like almost every supporting performance in that movie. but I'm also, it's maybe my favorite thing. I also really like the pen performance.
Starting point is 00:26:25 I like almost every supporting performance, but I think you're talking about Lambert Wilson. No, no. Okay. Okay. Okay. I was predicting,
Starting point is 00:26:32 I was predicting you were going to put Lambert Wilson on. I kind of took his spot. Sure. The kind of like, uh, you know, sure. 10 minutes,
Starting point is 00:26:39 you know, hits five, three pointers type performance. Yeah. I think there is a, a character actor. so selfless, so consistent, so strong that... K. Simmons.
Starting point is 00:26:52 This is going to be one of the jackass guys. That I think so often it's hard to like pick a performance that's specifically worth lauding for him because he just is part of the fucking ensemble. A hundred percent. A Bill Camp type. Right. And this year you and I both talked about like, fuck, it would be good if it was his year and i was sort of mounting the argument i cut him at the last fucking second john bernthal for king richard
Starting point is 00:27:14 he was he was he would certainly be in my tent like he was a he was in the mix for me for king richard it's a great and then i'm like you give him a bump on those wish me dead like i'm just like you add in every time he's fucking been, you give him a bump on those Wish Me Dead. I'm just like, you add in every time he's fucking been on screen. You give him a bump just right on strength of... He deserves at least best windbreaker, maybe? Absolutely. I think that is
Starting point is 00:27:35 a really good performance that I'm... It's not like I'm surprised that it didn't get Oscar traction. Sure. Because it's been kind of a weird year. Yeah. King Richard obviously ended up doing well with the Oscars, but I feel like they just put their chips elsewhere. get oscar traction true because it's been kind of a weird year yeah yeah king richard obviously ended up doing well with the oscars but like i feel like they just sort of put their chips elsewhere yeah it's also the oscars very rarely do the um sort of brief supporting performance that isn't highly emotional it's not highly emotional it's showy because he's funny and
Starting point is 00:28:01 he's doing an accent he's got a mustache but it's not but like if it's beatrice because he's funny and he's doing an accent. He's got a mustache, but it's not, but like if it's Beatrice straight, it's like, it's a, it's a, it's a very emotional thing. He doesn't have an, a nominal Oscar clip, but it is such a good performance.
Starting point is 00:28:13 And the true supporting work. And I'm also just feel like everybody likes that guy. He's, he's, he's in there at some point. I do think he's probably going to have a JK Simmons moment. I think it's probably going to be 10 years away, but he's going to be one of those guys where
Starting point is 00:28:25 suddenly he gets the Broadbent Award and everyone's like, we should have given it to him six times already. I just have to have Mike Feist in there. Oh, yeah. And I have to have Affleck in there. No, look, I'm not begrudging any of our picks. No, it's tough. This was a tough category. This was my most competitive
Starting point is 00:28:42 category. I just think this is one of those things where it's like, this is Bernthal's problem. He's so selfless that he always goes like, I'll step aside. They deserve it more. You know, in your mind, you're sort of like... The character he's playing in that movie, too. Trying to think of some... Obviously, Cody, I think Clemens is terrific and
Starting point is 00:28:56 Daug. You know, Cam Collins, shout out Cam Collins, past and future guests. Great Cam Collins. Had Ralph Innocent on his New York Film Critics Circle ballot for Green Knight. I really loved that pick. I'm just sort of looking at, I'm trying to think of other
Starting point is 00:29:13 folks. I mean. I'm sorry, who was that in that film? He's the Green Knight himself. He's the titular Green Knight. Oh, shit. That's a cool nomination. You know, come on. You know who was on my palette for a while who
Starting point is 00:29:27 and I regret cutting him but I kind of was like Ed Harris in The Lost Daughter I think it's such a good performance oh sure he has two killer scenes Lost Daughter is still one of my blind spots
Starting point is 00:29:36 oh you haven't seen it you're gonna love his hat yeah I'm sure I'm gonna love his hat he dances at one point question David is Ed Harris still very hot in that film
Starting point is 00:29:43 yeah of course he is just wanted to check he looks like the mountain from New Hampshire, but yeah, he's hot. Yeah, my God. That face. That's craggier and craggier. You guys shout out anyone as well. I'm sort of thinking about sort of cutting. Yeah, I mean, my next two were Bernthal and Coleman Domingo, who I think are both incredible performances.
Starting point is 00:30:02 Coleman Domingo, another guy who I just think is pretty much always great. I think they're both incredible performances. Coleman Domingo, another guy who I just think is pretty much always great. He seems like he's one of those precipice people, too. Yes. Where it feels like in the next few years, he's probably going to get his first Oscar nomination. Yeah. If things go the way they should. Because he's on the rise.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Respect for him is really, really great. I'm like euphoria, and he's six seasons of the fucking Walking Dead spin-off. He was so great in Ma Rainey last year. Yeah. Yeah. He was. Very good. he was so great on ma in ma rainy last year and yeah he was very good um uh alex wolf was was in my 10 he's good as well i mean that's another one of those where like i i mean that movie in general was not what i expected it was going to be walking into that movie and i think i was i liked it so much more because of that but his character particularly particularly, you see him at first, he's got the car and he's got the suit or whatever.
Starting point is 00:30:47 And it's just like, I know this shithead. I know exactly what this guy's going to be. And then he's not. And Wolf really carries that out really well. And also I wanted him on my list because of a little bit of trivia that we can get to later on in the nominations. Just looking through my list, if I can just shout out a couple more quick ones that
Starting point is 00:31:07 I cut. I think Woody Norman's like an incredible child performance. I think it's a very good child performance. That movie didn't really move me. My child performance that I had at the beginning of the year on my ballot that sort of got taken over is Joop, is
Starting point is 00:31:23 Noah Joop from Quiet Place Part 2. Who I think is a good actor. Phenomenal. A real good actor. The other thing I want to shout out, I mean,
Starting point is 00:31:32 a movie that already just like doesn't exist, completely forgotten, and not, has not made much of an argument for staying in anyone's mind.
Starting point is 00:31:41 But two performances that I think are phenomenal. Ray Liotta and Leslie Odom Jr. both in many sense of two performances that I think are phenomenal. Ray Liotta and Leslie Odom Jr. both in many sense of new work. I think that movie
Starting point is 00:31:49 really fails Odom Jr. No, no, no. It drops that character entirely. Odom's character is sort of a mess in that. I really do love the Liotta performance.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Yeah, I think Odom's performance is kind of incredible and in a movie that actually supported him. He's doing real kind of like 70s Lumet character actor work. And then Leota's, yeah, his scenes in that
Starting point is 00:32:08 are just fucking dynamite. My outlier is Hellberg with Annette, but I don't know if... He was in that. He's on my long list. I imagine Annette's the movie that appealed to you. That was on my 10.
Starting point is 00:32:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's so good in that movie. I really like Alex Hassel in The Tragedy of Macbeth playing Ross. Is he turtleneck guy? Yeah. The weird glower.
Starting point is 00:32:27 I love sort of a non-character in Macbeth. He's just present in a lot of scenes and he plays him. Yes. Like he's this like really intense, super turn Cody double agent. He's the one I walked away from that movie. He's the one I walked away from that movie being like, I'm so impressed by that guy.
Starting point is 00:32:43 Um, who are some others that I'm forgetting I'm worried I'm forgetting someone good I mean I really like Matt Damon in No Sudden Move I mean just sort of the classic Matt Damon thing Of like here he is for 10 minutes Being a jerk Griff are you thinking of anyone
Starting point is 00:32:59 I mean I do love Shout out Lambert Wilson Right I have A shout out I want to do a new typeurrections a one-two punch I have I have a shout out I want to do a new type of award
Starting point is 00:33:07 and then I think we should talk about who we did nominate for a second Richard Jenkins in The Humans he's on my long list really good performance
Starting point is 00:33:13 one of those weird kind of like I get why this got no Oscar attention because the movie just was not really pitched at them but it's
Starting point is 00:33:21 right up their alley it's exactly what you want from him and Jenkins the steadiest of hands. Oh, you know who else is on my long list? Stanley Tucci in Worth, a movie that nobody really watched when it dropped on Netflix.
Starting point is 00:33:31 And they didn't really publicize it, but I think he's quite good in that. I struggle with that movie a little bit. I think he's quite good in that. Yeah. This is a new category I want to introduce. It's not a category, it's sort of like a new kind of side honorific, okay? Yeah. It's the Vin Diesel Award.
Starting point is 00:33:48 And it's not what you think it is. How do they take you to the seventh blankies to introduce a Vin Diesel Award? It's going to be an interesting... I don't think this is what anyone's expecting it to be. Alright. Okay? It's the award for the person I was most rooting for to give a nomination-worthy
Starting point is 00:34:03 performance. Dedicated to Vin Diesel and Billy Lynn's long halftime walk, where I'm looking at the cast and I'm going, fuck, this feels like that's the kind of character. You know I predicted him like nine months ahead of time,
Starting point is 00:34:16 where I was like, Vin Diesel's gonna get nominated for Billy Lynn's halftime watch. Absolutely. Watch it happen. Here's the one I was quietly pulling for all year, and I do think he's actually good in the movie. What it asked him to do is a little bit silly. And I think the movie just fails in a way that doesn't make it transcend. My Vin Diesel award for performance I most wish I wanted to nominate is Christopher Lloyd in The Tender Bar.
Starting point is 00:34:41 Yeah, I mean, look, I haven't seen that yet. I wanted Christopher Lloyd to have a fucking late career Oscar worthy performance. Him getting cast in that movie was exciting. It's like you say, he's not bad in the movie at all, but it's just kind of a nothing part. Right. And I sit there watching going like, can I talk myself into this? That would be
Starting point is 00:34:57 a bit of a stretch. I couldn't, but that's the Vin Diesel Award. So that's a new tool we have in our arsenal. Yeah. Performance you were hoping you liked enough to nominate. Yeah. talk about who we did now yeah who'd you nominate bradley cooper uh licorice pizza i mean you did the skylar gizondo nomination but this is a thing i'm gonna i'm gonna stump for a little more this year it's become a little more of a sticking point for me okay let's make supporting performances real supporting performances again right yeah i mean this is where i sometimes get into this category,
Starting point is 00:35:26 slipperiness, bumping people up to co-leads or whatever. Yeah. But I do think we've just gotten very used to second leads being supporting performances. Yes. I will say this. I think the Oscars did a fairly good job on this this year. I think this year was pretty good. With the exception of the two Power of the Dog nominations.
Starting point is 00:35:42 Now, Plemons is undoubtedly supporting. He drops out of that movie. Cody is not. That's a total stretch. But it's one of those things where you're like, you would never nominate him for lead. Exactly. Right.
Starting point is 00:35:53 But they did an okay job on that. And, you know, Kotzer, Simmons, Hines, those are supporting. I imagine, despite it being clearly... Then not nominating Bradley Cooper is bananas. It's right up their alley. Right. You know, if Tom Hanks is the president of Hollywood, Bradley Cooper is maybe the alderman at this point.
Starting point is 00:36:08 He's a governor or senator. He's not, though. They have some weird chip on their shoulder about him. It's weird. Even though, like, we had this conversation. He's got tons of nom-revening. He's got tons of noms. But that's why I'm saying, like, alderman.
Starting point is 00:36:18 Like, he is a, I think he's in the cabinet. He's somewhere. He's been elected. No, he's like Carrie Coon in The Gilded Age where they they're like you can come in here but we don't like you it just felt like such a slam dunk and it is one of those things that a term i use the the thermostat performance where like yes an actor enters a movie and just completely changes the temperature of it and he is obviously not on screen for that long but there is this like 15 minute stretch that is haunted by his character in which he pops in and out and until you're like relieved of him until the movie does a crossfade anytime he's not on screen you're feeling the energy well and then when you catch
Starting point is 00:36:56 the little glimpse of him walking down the street asking the girl if she likes peanut butter sandwiches at the end what is it that he said is it does he say that you're from the streets or does he say you're a killer like me i can't you're from the streets you're from the streets right the classic right john peters thing of like right we're the same we're i mean that's the thing here i'm just gonna front load he's my winner but uh because i'm now talking about him too much you hear all those john peters stories that are so bananas, right? And Kevin Smith doing his like 40-minute Superman Returns monologue or Superman Lives monologue and all that sort of shit. And it's one of those things where you go, this guy feels unplayable, right? How is there any way to actually depict the way people describe this guy?
Starting point is 00:37:37 This behavior seems unreasonable. The way people explain him talking doesn't make sense. And that first scene when he fucking comes out of the house and he gets a movie star introduction where the camera's on him from behind and you've fucking seen the trailer so you know the whole movie's building up to this to some degree what is bradley cooper doing in this movie and then he just has like five minutes where he talks stream of consciousness this kid and pivots subjects and shifts tones i mean like hair painting i'm speeding you up though because i'm realizing it's the same thing that happens every year. It's the happy birthday sign we do on this, where we spend 30 minutes
Starting point is 00:38:08 supporting an actor, and then by actor, we're like, yeah, I don't know, Denzel Washington was good, let's keep going. He's my winner. Benicio Del Toro and Jeffrey Wright. Del Toro was a late cut for me. They give two of the best performances in any Wes Anderson movies. Jeffrey Wright almost made mine. Wright is incredible in that movie. I need
Starting point is 00:38:24 to rewatch it, because that is the segment I resonated with the least. Although I was really liking it. Oh, that was my favorite. I was just exhausted with that movie by the third segment. But he's so good.
Starting point is 00:38:34 And he's someone who can be... I love Jeffrey Wright. But he can give you Jeffrey Wright out of the can. Yeah. And that's not him. But you know what I mean? When Jeffrey Wright's in
Starting point is 00:38:43 the Batman even, you're kind of like, this is the Jeffrey Wright I asked for. It's not blowing you know but you know what i mean like when jeffrey wright's in the batman even coming you know like you're kind of like this is this is the jeffrey wright i asked for yeah blowing my mind it's really fun you know andrews danielson lee i'm not gonna talk about because you two guys will cover it the last guy i just want to throw out a moment for is jeffrey jeremy irons who i think is the guy right because that movie is like a study of different acting styles in so many ways right and for me at different levels of success. Yeah. I think he's the one guy who is successfully able to bridge every different movie. Like I think you watch the different scenes he has and him against Pacino,
Starting point is 00:39:15 him against driver, him against Leto, him against Gaga. It's a really good scene. He's able to be on the same wavelength as whoever he's working with. Yeah. I think it's an incredibly tragic performance. It's like a perfect late Irons
Starting point is 00:39:27 who's just been on this kind of incredible resurgence the last five years. I really like that performance. That's a movie that I sort of grew impatient with as I watched it. And I came out of it- I did too, but he's like- The first hour one's got a lot of energy.
Starting point is 00:39:38 The performance that I ended up really liking the most was Leto because he was doing what I ended up feeling like I wanted from the movie which is absolute insanity. I wanted everybody to just be just off the chain. Irons has just enough tongue-in-cheek for me where I feel like he's in on the joke but isn't selling out the
Starting point is 00:39:58 integrity of the thing. Sure, sure, sure. And I just feel like no one else was shouting out the performance. Yeah. Okay. I cede the floor. Well, my winner is Mike Veist because it's it's it shouldn't almost shouldn't be that i walk out of west side story being like you know who i love is that riff and yet he connects so well immediately immediately you're you're locked in with him stick with him throughout the whole thing by the time the end of that character i'm so emotional and he's just this insane talent that kind of comes out of nowhere obviously i had seen him in dear evan hansen i said i uh tony nominated for that
Starting point is 00:40:38 very good in that but he's not even in that very much like it was kind of surprising that he got that it was surprising it was because he was that good yes because it was one of those things where it's like they're probably not going to fit him in right well and then when the trailer for west side story came out and we all sort of chalked it up to the fact that they were trying to hide ansel elgort because it was like mike feist is kind of the star of the west side story trailer you know what he pops all over this and then you watch the movie and you're like i get it i get it now i know why they did it because he's just he's he's really fantastic he's also the person that ansel albort has best chemistry with in the entire all of them well they're they're they're cool sequence where they dance together it's so incredible it's amazing yeah um yeah he's so good he's he's
Starting point is 00:41:20 genuinely you do feel threat from him But he's also just such a wounded Yep Little boy Yep But also just such Yeah An odd energy I mean I feel like it's like
Starting point is 00:41:30 How you described seeing him On Dear Evan Hansen on stage Of just like This isn't how I would think You would play this This is the bully Right Huh
Starting point is 00:41:38 Like this And similar energy of like Where you're like This kid seems haunted Oh right Oh right Yeah And yet it's funny that His one musical number In Dear Evan Hansen is You know the similar energy of like where you're like this kid seems haunted oh right oh right yeah uh and yet
Starting point is 00:41:45 it's funny that his one musical number in dare evan hansen is um you know the the song where he's dead but right evan's writing in his voice that in the movie is staged so horrifyingly that that's when people i think switch off they're just like what is this suicide comedy thing also it works better talk about a great career decision you make from i'm not gonna do this out of that movie yeah this movie that that movie has like a total hunk in that role which is and it doesn't really work yeah not the way have you seen dear evan hansen i have not i still haven't seen it i i've been i almost now now that it didn't get nominated for anything i was sort of wondering if it might get a song nomination now i'm saving it for when we do it oh you got it like i don't want to see it until we do it
Starting point is 00:42:27 for you guys uh who else have you got your winner is feist my winner's feist uh i mean colman domingo and zola we talked about uh hellberg i mentioned and then so those two scenes he's got the monologue where it's circling around him and then like the big scene with driver where driver like he's so good he's so good i didn't know he had it comes out of nowhere right exactly we're all laughing hey what a weird thing big yeah like what's he doing to get above the title and and i again i walk away from that i like i love driver in that movie too but yeah hellberg's uh my best in show there and then uh yeah anders is uh handsome doctor man well so let's let's sort of you david because then we can sort of best supporting pool all anders yeah i'm sorry um let me get back to you on that are there other dicks that i'm
Starting point is 00:43:17 forgetting i think there are okay well you see right the i mean the punctuation flaps up of his flaccid penis though at the end of a devastating moment for him i think it's just standing there application of a of a dick in a supporting dick great dick anders danielson lee who's a good actor a very good actor who i've seen he he's on he's i've made he made my ballot for oslo august 31st another yoke and treer movie he's also this very You know Internal Upset You know He's playing a guy Who's near suicide
Starting point is 00:43:47 Like you know And he's the killer In 22 July We don't talk about that I really almost Hate that he took that role Because he's A working doctor
Starting point is 00:43:55 Yeah He talks in all these interviews About how it's so difficult To you know Balance Both careers Yeah And then yeah
Starting point is 00:44:00 He's in that awful Paul Greengrass movie About the Norwegian Shooting massacre Yeah As the shooter You only really see him in court scenes And it's like yeah they cast a really Respected Norwegian actor here
Starting point is 00:44:13 But it's sort of like what the fuck is this I forgot that movie existed I liked it better than you liked it But I get it But he's mostly an actor He's in Personal Shopper He's in Bergman Island obviously He's in Personal Shopper. He's in Bergman Island, obviously.
Starting point is 00:44:32 He's in Bergman Island this year playing a similar sort of like boyfriend, ex-boyfriend you have regrets about. Yeah. Although he's a sort of fantasy character in that movie. But he's in all of Trier's movies. Except for maybe Thelma. And louder than that. He's in the Oslo movies. And he's so good in this.
Starting point is 00:44:45 You had him too. We all had him. Yeah. He's the one we share. Yeah. I mean, look, he's good.
Starting point is 00:44:50 The whole movie. And then the last chunk of it, and we don't need to get into spoiler. We don't need to get into talk, but there is a monologue in which one of the things he invokes is how much of his life he spent investing into objects and putting power into objects and feeling like he needed the power of those things surrounding him in his home.
Starting point is 00:45:07 That felt like a direct attack on me. Yeah. Was eviscerating. Yeah. And I saw it with someone who thought that I was sobbing uncontrollably. And in reality, at the beginning of that monologue, my nose started bleeding profusely.
Starting point is 00:45:20 Oh, no. Classic Griff. So I was trying to pull my nose, but also tearing up. Sure. I was like trying to like, cause I could tell the movie was in its final stretch. Sure. But it was one of those things where I said like,
Starting point is 00:45:29 I cannot leave this theater. Yeah. So I'm like choked up and choked up on blood. And it was one of the main reasons I had to see the movie a second time. Like you told me right away. Sure. I was like, I need to give that real thought.
Starting point is 00:45:42 And it's just, it's just a fucking knockout. He plays her boyfriend in the movie, to be clear, her sort of big boyfriend at the start of the movie
Starting point is 00:45:49 who's older than her. He's a cartoonist. He's kind of cool. He's kind of Gen X-y, but he's also kind of like, look, I'm doing my thing. They settle into a rut.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Is he like a real asshole? Am I going to realize the longer this movie goes on that he's like a big problem? Right, but he's not he's not he's just you know a slightly over it kind of slightly
Starting point is 00:46:09 complicated yeah and he has this great scene where he kind of like gets canceled yeah on like a radio show yes and when you're one and he plays it so perfectly like where he's defending himself and like it's kind of just like out of step with the questions and out of step with well and he'll like make a good point
Starting point is 00:46:29 but then he'll use the wrong word and you're watching it and she the main character is watching it at the gym and you feel the way she feels which is just like i know what he means and he's oh he shouldn't have said you know i know he's and it's a very relatable well communicated moment he is my winner he was my number two winner I think who else did you have? I had Alex Wolff and just a good actor
Starting point is 00:46:57 it takes really interesting roles he never gets mentioned when you talk about the best actors of that sort of age range really good in Hereditary, obviously. I mean, he was my winner, I think, for Hereditary, too. And I nominate him for Lead for Hereditary. You did. I think it is funny how much like a decade ago everyone was like, Nat Wolfe.
Starting point is 00:47:17 Right. Nat Wolfe. That's the guy. Spider-Man shortlist. He's doing a fucking John Green adaptation. Fault in Our Stars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Alex Wolfe has just steadily worked with all
Starting point is 00:47:25 these first-time directors. That's true. In very odd roles. He's really good in Bad Education. Patriots Day, he's incredible in. He is. I mean, it's crazy casting. Crazy casting, but yes. He's even good in the Jumanji movie. You know what I mean? He is! He's not bad!
Starting point is 00:47:42 He's become surprisingly reliable. Wait, Joe, who am I missing from your ballot? Domingo, Feist, Helbert, Danielson, Lai, and Wolf. And who's your winner? Mike Feist. Yeah. So I had, on top of everyone discussed, Ben Affleck in The Last Duel, this kind of insane snub from the Oscars. He's having a time.
Starting point is 00:48:04 It's one of those things where it's just like he has had a good time he's like he's almost playing himself he's not playing himself but he's almost he's playing a version that we of him that we think exists like fuck boy ben affleck everything people find uncomfortable about ben affleck or at least perceived to be a problem with yeah and yeah to me also it's like the brilliance, one of the many brilliant things about that movie is, you know, the difficult decision that a lot of period movies
Starting point is 00:48:29 sometimes will make of like drop the accents, who cares? Right. Talk how you like. Right. And sometimes like in a Valkyrie, it doesn't really work.
Starting point is 00:48:36 Right. You know, especially if it's like some of them are American and some are British. Right. Like Alexander famously has really strange accent work.
Starting point is 00:48:44 This one is great because he doesn't, the accent doesn't matter. It's all energy. It's all energy. You know, that guy comes in that first scene because he's really not in the first chunk of the movie, the Damon chunk. Right.
Starting point is 00:48:54 But you just see that moment where he, like Damon is kneeling to get knighted or whatever and Affleck's like, come closer or something. And you're like, ooh, who's this guy? Like, you know. Well, it's just so funny to think that that movie was designed to be Affleck and Damon playing the two guys. Affleck very wisely swerved away
Starting point is 00:49:11 from the Adam Driver role. It was like, well, this role's fun. But it also, it changes the whole dynamic of the movie in such a fascinating way when it's not. These two contemporaries who we've watched in lockstep. Right, in a famous partnership.
Starting point is 00:49:23 Right. It becomes a weird generational gap between Driver and Damon. Which is way better. And Damon and Affleck are the two guys on the same era, but yet the alliance isn't there. The alliance is between
Starting point is 00:49:34 Affleck and Driver's character. And the pivotal scene of The Last Duel, of course, is when after you've seen his attack on her play out and you're like, well, wait, this is no different. He did attack her. Right. And then he goes to Aff, wait, he, this is no different. He did attack her.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Right. And then he goes to Affleck and he's like, I mean, she said no, but like, obviously she said no, she has to say no. And Affleck's just like,
Starting point is 00:49:53 yeah, I understand. Like, and you're just like, oh, they're just playing up the villain, the banal villainy of this. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:59 Not like doing a Roshamon. I think that's for everyone who sort of had their knives out at the idea of this movie and the gall of people to make this movie. It was a, you know, it was a gamble. It was a big ass gamble. Yeah. That is the kind of moment where you go like, oh shit, this movie is about the difference of how bad it was versus is anyone innocent or guilty? It's like that's not in question. And that Affleck scene where he just comes in with this modern energy and essentially plays like a fucking crisis management pr person for like a
Starting point is 00:50:28 tiktok star yeah who's just like just deny and never talk about this and the other scene also when he's like goes to drive and he's like you know i'm rich but i can't do math it's so annoying if you just like look at all this and figure out how i can make more money and drive is like well yeah you're some easy stuff to be done. He's like, I know, I just don't want to. He's so good at that weird casualness. He's really good. Richard Ayoade in The Souvenir Part 2
Starting point is 00:50:53 is just a wrecking ball performance. Every second he's on screen, you're like, my hair is on fire. This guy is so funny and scary and sarcastic. I don't want him to look at me. He's going to be mean to me. He's so powerful. Obviously, he's really funny in look at me. Yeah. He's going to be mean to me. Like, you know, he's so powerful. Obviously, he's really funny
Starting point is 00:51:07 in the souvenir part. One, it's one scene, basically. Possibly my most embarrassing blind spot of the year, considering that that first one was one of my top movies of that year. Well, it's not embarrassing
Starting point is 00:51:15 because it got such a weird release and I kept on missing it and it would disappear and then come back for two days. The first one was one of my blind spots. And so I haven't seen the second one because I still haven't seen the first one. i like one of these weekends i'm just gonna watch the both of them and i just need to make time to do it see i loved the first one i feel like you
Starting point is 00:51:32 gave a bunch of nominations and i just kept on fucking up getting to see the part two vincent landon into tan we can talk about more later it sounds like yep so we'll do that then i'll say i did just see him in claire denise new movie and once again just that leathery face of his the second it's on screen i'm like god we'll return to the seventh annual blank check awards after a word from our sponsors best supporting actress all right so emerging from the stage to present best supporting actress we have candace bergen of course elizabeth debicki lily gladstone jennifer lopez and laurie metalf. Now that's a cool group of people. That's a real cool group of people. I chose that
Starting point is 00:52:28 one very particularly. I'm very excited that Lily Gladstone is in this Scorsese movie. I hope she has a lot to do. I think she has a fairly major role. I think she's the female lead? Yeah. Because, God, what? That must have been our first year, right? No, certainly it was 16, I'm pretty sure.
Starting point is 00:52:44 Yeah, you're right. It's second. But, I mean, she was my winner that year. What? Yeah. No, certainly it was 16. I'm pretty sure, yeah. Yeah, you're right. It's second. But, I mean, she was my winner that year. What a performance. I think we all had her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:51 She was fantastic. Who else we got? We got Lori, Lady Bird. Lori and Lady Bird. I think Jennifer Lopez in Hustlers was mine. I think both of you picked her and I picked Pew. I think it was two Lopez's and a Pew. You are correct.
Starting point is 00:53:02 There we go. You are correct. Yeah. And you called Pew Candice LeBron Bergen. Right. And of course, in the next year, Candice LeBron James Bergen won on your ballot for Let Them All Talk.
Starting point is 00:53:12 She was on all of ours. Right. You had her for Mank. I had her specifically for NERTS. Oh. Right, right. Exclusively for NERTS. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:22 Anyway, there they all are. It's a good group. It's a real good group. Best Supporting Actress. The Oscar, oh, wait. Oh, I'll do the blank it. Yeah. Anyway, there they all are. It's a good group. It's a real good group. Best supporting actress. The Oscar, oh, wait. I'll do the blankies. Remind me though.
Starting point is 00:53:30 Yes. I'll do them now actually. But the Oscar nominees this year, how'd they do? You know, right, they did well, but they had the weird snub.
Starting point is 00:53:38 Right. Jesse Buckley in Lost Daughter, great nomination. Ariana DeBose in West Side Story. Great nomination. Judy Dench in Belfast. Kirsten Dunst and Power of the Dog and Anjanue Ellis and King Richard.
Starting point is 00:53:48 So who was the obvious snub here? Now I'm forgetting. Ruth Nega. Well, Katrina Balfe was widely protected. And Katrina Ball. Those were the two. Ruth Nega, yeah. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:53:56 But it was, like, the Dench thing even I can forgive. I mean, it's the Oscars and Judi Dench. What are you going to do? I'm not going to do anything. They love Judi Dench. Look, they love Judi Dench. I'm not.
Starting point is 00:54:04 What was odd was, four months out, out i was like that's inevitable and then she was a year ahead of time but then she was snubbed in every fucking thing and i was like weird i guess she has no traction like don't you worry don't you worry grandma we're paying attention someone has pointed out the age gap between her and kieran hines is bananas and it's not addressed in the movie she is basically 20 years older than him. Anyway. Yeah, because, I mean, Kieran Hines is like a Liam Neeson contemporary.
Starting point is 00:54:31 He's like in his 60s. Right. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Best Supporting Actress. Oh, let me do the blankies. Please.
Starting point is 00:54:37 Supporting Performance Winners list now. Yeah. Ariana DeBose is their winner, number one. All right. Then Mike Feist. Ben Affleck is number three. Cody Smith-McPhee. Jeffrey Wright.
Starting point is 00:54:52 Kirsten Dunst. Bradley Cooper. Vincent Landon. Catherine Hunter for The Tragedy of Macbeth. Okay. And Rebecca Ferguson for Dune, which is a really good performance. It is a good performance. Yeah. Okay. My five. Yes. Okay. I'll just say right off the bat. Please.
Starting point is 00:55:07 Ruth Nega passing. Her getting snubbed, I was like, I mean, I think she was pretty much always on my five, but once she got snubbed, I was like, I have to fucking put her in here. But that just felt like such a slam dunk. I'll say this was the category maybe where I had the hardest,
Starting point is 00:55:20 I had the most contenders. I had a ton of four out of five type things where I'm like, I really like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Agreed, agreed. There were less like locks for me and a lot of people who were sort of circling.
Starting point is 00:55:30 Yeah. Ruth Nega, Passing. Riley Keough, Zola. Wow. Thomason McKenzie, Old. She's really good. Oh, that's an interesting pick. Did she get old in that movie?
Starting point is 00:55:41 Very. Yeah. Or I guess somewhat. We can all hope to one day turn into M. Beth Davids. M. Beth Davids, yes. Right, the exact age. Lea Seydoux for The French Dispatch. And Harriet Sansom Harris for Licorice Pizza.
Starting point is 00:55:56 We're probably all nominating her. How could you not? How could you not? She's fantastic. You thought you were going to look really fucking special. No, I didn't. I was 50-50 that you were going to have her, too. I just wasn't.
Starting point is 00:56:05 Yeah, okay. That's good. All right. My five are Ariana DeBose for West Side Story, Dagmara Domenchik for The Lost Daughter, Polly Draper for Shiva Baby. Wait, who from Shiva Baby? Polly Draper.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Interesting. Which makes our very first mother-son co-nominees in a blankies here. That was a little bit of history. Alex Wohl's mother. Alex Wohl's mother. Interesting. Which makes our very first mother-son co-nominees in a blankies year. That was a little bit of history. Alex Wolfe's mother. Alex Wolfe's mother. Okay. Kirsten Dunst in The Power of the Dog.
Starting point is 00:56:31 And Mia Wasikowska in Bergman Island. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so this is the first time a co-creator of the Naked Brothers Band has been nominated at the blankies. And the second time a member of the Naked Brothers Band. Third. Well, we've gotten before. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:48 Two for Wolf, one for Holly. My nominees, Harriet Sampson Harris and Licorice Pizza, Ruth Negan passing, Catherine Hunter and the Tragedy of Macbeth,
Starting point is 00:56:55 Mia Wachikowska and Bergman Island and Jesse Buckley and the Lost Daughter. I feel like we got a lot of overlap here. So Ferguson is the only nominee
Starting point is 00:57:04 who is not on any of listeners yeah and ferguson was actually a late cut for me sure that's a great performance yeah i mean late cuts for me debose and uh dunst i cut because they got the oscar nominations same but i like both those performances a lot same katherine hunter was a serious consideration for me yeah i really love toko miura in drive my car she was a late cut for me she's the one who spoiler alert drives the car she drives the i should admit right here my single biggest embarrassment right yeah i had very close you are afraid of driving cars that's why i'm a little too terrified the ultimate experience of grueling terror drive my car yes someone saying that to me is my nightmare.
Starting point is 00:57:45 Yeah. Griffin, drive my car. Yeah, that is same. I've had, in fact, I've had stress nightmares where I find myself driving a car and realizing that I don't know how to drive a car. Same. And that's always a good one to wake up from. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:59 Anjanue Ellis comes close for me. Again, Oscar nominee, but love her. I picked Dagmara Domenchik for Lost Daughter, but Dakota Johnson was very close, too. I really loved her. I'm a Jesse Buckley superstand, but those are all good performances. Understandable. Just before I forget, because you just triggered the memory,
Starting point is 00:58:16 Sanaya Sidney I had on for a long time. You kept telling me she was going to be on. She's incredibly good in that movie. Yes, and Gabby Hoffman in Come On, Come On as well is just kind of some of the best phone-only acting I've ever seen. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:29 Considering how rarely she has to act with another person on camera in that movie. Yeah. And Sinai Sidney plays Venus Williams in that movie. Yes. I really like Anjanue Ellis in that movie too. It's a classic Oscar nomination type performance. But she does what she's supposed to do really well.
Starting point is 00:58:45 I loved her since Undercover Brother. I think she's always fucking good. She's great in Beale Street. I was kind of hoping that King Richard would win the SAG ensemble because I genuinely think... Bernthal and the kids and everything. Well, I think Will Smith is the weak link of that cast.
Starting point is 00:59:02 He's the only one who I don't really love his performance in that movie. I really like it. Yeah. And everybody else I think is really bringing it. Tony fucking Goldwyn. Yeah. Goldwyn's good. Goldwyn's great.
Starting point is 00:59:13 That's a really good scene early on. Yeah. I like that movie. It made me cry. Yeah. I like that movie. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:17 Got me really choked up. But yeah. No. Sinai Sydney I think is great. And I don't hold this against Andre New Ellis. But it's just such a supporting actress performance as designed that I think this Nice Sydney performance popped a little more for me because
Starting point is 00:59:29 it was more unexpected. Keep your snubs going though. Oh, no, you're cut. Sorry. Yeah, Rita Moreno for West Side Story because the performance itself is fantastic, but I've mentioned this before, the moment as I'm watching the movie,
Starting point is 00:59:48 when I realize that they're giving her somewhere, I wept out loud. It was intense. I really like her scene where she teaches in Spanish, though, too. She has a lot of good material. And you guys mentioned it when you talked about West Side Story, that the expectation was this was going to be a cameo. And she ends up being a really integral part of that movie. Later from that olga meredez there it is yeah it is in the heights that final number is unbelievable really another one i know that movie just didn't do well yeah
Starting point is 01:00:15 or well enough and like came out in the summer or whatever but i was kind of like there's a world where you can really run a campaign for her and there there was no mention of her. I know, it was just gone. The fact that they tried to bury all memory of In the Heights is going to stick in my craw for a while. Because the fact that it didn't make money at the time that it was released was held against it in a way that I thought was cruel, actually, a little bit. I agree.
Starting point is 01:00:42 And also, like, it made 30 million bucks, which is like, you know, in the end of the day, like, whatever, get over it. It is one of it made 30 million bucks which is like you know in the end of the day like whatever get over it it is one of those things i mean david was kind of the west side story thing where people like yeah i don't get why this didn't save cinema right that's the thing right the difference is that west side story had the benefit of being at the end of the year but i think both of those movies have the anger towards them of why didn't you fix things right why were people dancing in the eye here's what i will tell you franchise adult when i saw that movie at the imax in lincoln square yeah for two hours that did save all of it for me you know what i mean like while i was in that movie while
Starting point is 01:01:16 i was in that moment it was everything that i wanted it to be and the fact that yeah like we weren't there yet as you know we're still're still crawling our way out from under the rock. I think I can say this comfortably. 2021, weird year. Yeah, weird year. A little bit of a weird year. Weird better than 2022, but weird. I would also throw out Olga Maraduza's song.
Starting point is 01:01:35 It's fantastic. Daphne Rubin-Vega in In the Heights is rad. Yes, she is. She's really fun. And one of those was just like, oh, right. You're incredibly talented and you have been for quite a while and and what a great number that she has also I will throw out
Starting point is 01:01:50 my MP for the humans turned out to be Amy Schumer in a way that I was very surprised by she's so great in that incredible performance worth checking out that movie some of my cuts Tilda Swinton's Souvenir Part 2 was a late cut for me
Starting point is 01:02:05 As she was for Part 1 I think that performance is devastating She is really funny The part where she puts up The naked picture of herself Is very underrated As a comic actress So she is great
Starting point is 01:02:21 And we love her Jennifer Ely in St. Maude. She was on my very long list. That is a really good movie. That is a really good performance. It's her doing what she's supposed to do, but it's really good. I feel like there's...
Starting point is 01:02:36 I mean, leave me alone. I really like Sally Hawkins in Spencer. I think that's a lovely, warm performance in a good movie. I don't love that movie. If I loved that movie, she would have made my five. I think that's incredible work from her. I feel like there's one, I mean, you know, Ruth Nega, she was on my list.
Starting point is 01:02:54 Yeah, I guess, I mean, yeah, I guess that's it. I mean, you know, Judi Dench was so good in Belfast. Yeah, I guess those are the main ones. I mean, let's talk Junie Dench was so good in Belfast. She's so good. Yeah, I guess those are the main ones. I mean, let's talk through our people that we put on there. Thomas and Mackenzie, this was obviously a year of a lot of her. Yeah, she's the new Rooney Mara.
Starting point is 01:03:16 She's like a big bird. Right, she is. And I, you know. Not offense, no offense. Also, very tall baby, right? Well, yeah. It's that whole thing. The voice and the...
Starting point is 01:03:27 Marie does an incredible impression of her. Like, just a devastating impression of her. Yeah. I think old is, like, the greatest possible application of her. 100%. She's so uniquely suited to playing that exact thing. And I had seen her in things, obviously.
Starting point is 01:03:42 In Leave No Trace and whatnot. And yet, and old is very particular. And yet, it was in Last No Trace and whatnot, and yet, and old is very particular, and yet, it was in Last Night in Soho when I'm watching it, and I'm just like, oh, that's just how you talk. Right. Last Night in Soho is where you're kind of like, wait, can you just chill out a little bit?
Starting point is 01:03:56 That's the thing. Like, I don't think she's bad in Last Night in Soho, but she's too fragile for that movie. Right. It makes it too fragile. Yeah. But like, old, I just i just look part of it is just incredible casting yes but when you have her walking on the beach yeah feeling so afraid by her own body yeah because it's getting old yes yeah i you just actually buy from her more than once
Starting point is 01:04:18 again alex wolf very good in that movie yeah right like everyone else very good in that movie but she's the one person where i actually think you buy this is a six-year-old in the body of a teenager and it's terrifying well and while we're talking about old we should probably give some sort of props to ebby lee for breaking all the bones in her body for that most committed performance like that's a that's some commitment right there i also just i had to i had to doff the cap to old somewhere um uh ruth nega it's kind of just like immaculate work and such an incredibly talented actor who is still you know it basically anytime she pops up you're like this is a hundred percent better than anyone else could have right and look that's like
Starting point is 01:04:57 that's a rich character as written that's a slam dunk on the page but every single moment every pause you read every thought that she has and go, what the fuck is this woman doing? She is so sort of like inscrutable in this odd way as this character is shifting between modes and zones. To not nominate her for Oscar.
Starting point is 01:05:17 Weird. And I just felt like that seemed like Locke. As much as the movie maybe didn't connect to I never trusted that. Because Netflix was sort of wishy-washy about passing and passing was way down
Starting point is 01:05:29 the movie's very mannered and sort of specific and you know she's just like she's great fucking perfect in that oh Lea Seydoux
Starting point is 01:05:36 okay an actress who runs very very hot and cold for me because I think she has to be used very specifically and I think
Starting point is 01:05:44 No Time to Die is an example of her being used almost catastrophically. I think she's really good at that movie. I know you do. I think it's a wonderful performance. I think that was a bad casting choice in Spectre. I think it's just an odd story choice to be like, at this point now
Starting point is 01:06:00 that, and then Bond has this sort of thing where like, right now this is the most important woman who has ever existed in this universe. And it's because you are looking at her right now. And yes, this is part of my take is that I think if they were ever going to pull that off, they needed to do so by casting someone who was as opposite from the conventions of a Bond girl as possible. And Lea Seydoux does feel like she fits into a Bond movie. She has that weird steely, icy... We can't
Starting point is 01:06:30 litigate no offense. We're not. My point is... But you loved her in the French Dispatch. The French Dispatch, I think, is weaponizing everything that makes her for me a bad fit in the Bond universe, where it is like here's this woman who seems terrifying, mannereded artificially
Starting point is 01:06:46 sort of closed off and cruel sure and just constantly gives you these little peaks of her her emotions underneath um it's just such a funny performance yeah but there's like real emotionality behind it uh yeah i think she's great in that who else you got
Starting point is 01:07:01 uh harry uh samson harris we can talk about when we get to yours and then my other one was Riley Keough and Zola who's I mentioned this on my podcast the other day that's a risky performance yes that I think she
Starting point is 01:07:17 that I think she pulls off with a plum but that is could have gone pretty wrong correct yeah so she gets points for me from that. Yeah. But I also just think she's an actor who kind of gets better every year. I mean, she keeps on making interesting choices, working with interesting directors. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:34 She went from being someone who I was just like, what's Elvis's granddaughter? Right. I'm going to put her in fucking movies. Right. And there'd be all this hype around her and she'd show up for two scenes and you'd be like, what is this? You know? Magic Mike, a thing where she's like, not bad, but has two lines and
Starting point is 01:07:45 you're like, what are we doing here? And then it's just sort of like gotten better and better and better and better and I think she's just got so much fucking chaotic energy in that movie. Let's all go watch Logan Lucky. Great movie. I'll watch it. I've watched it regularly. The good movie. I've watched it like twice a year.
Starting point is 01:08:02 Yeah. Who else you got? Those are my five. We're going to talk about Harriet Sandsma Harris when we... Well, let me pick up Harriet right now. Let's do it. Pick up Harriet. I got it like twice a year. Who else you got? Those are my five. We're going to talk about Harriet Simpson Harris. Well, let me pick up Harriet right now. Let's do it. Pick up Harriet. I got it right here. In a movie that is all sort of these contained, fascinating scenes with performers swinging in,
Starting point is 01:08:18 she is the MVP of supporting performers in that movie. That scene is bananas. I love Harriet Simpson Harris. We all know her from Frasier, right? Oh, yeah. She was BB on Frasier. We all know her from Phantom Thread. A wonderful performance.
Starting point is 01:08:34 I regret not having the courage to nominate that year because I was like, is it too small of a performance? Which made me go, this year, even smaller performance, I have to fucking nominate her. She was always forever just that person who would show up on a TV show in a guest role and just like we're in good hands for this
Starting point is 01:08:48 episode it has all the energy of the cooper performance where you're like i don't know what the next word out of this person's mouth is going to be and they're talking quickly like and she says no six times in a row and everyone is so radically different but i just saw someone tweet i'm sorry i'm not giving a credit here. I feel like it was another actor. I follow. Donald J. Trump Jr.
Starting point is 01:09:08 Yes. My favorite actor. It was some character actor. I follow was saying just like that performance is so fascinating because every single choice she is making is so specific and yet you cannot figure out what it is. Yeah. It is so clear that she knows exactly what is going on in this woman's mind, her history, her life, who she's talking to,
Starting point is 01:09:29 what they're asking her, why she's answering that way. Other characters don't. Right. Yeah. You cannot fucking figure it out. It's an incredible scene. It's such a funny scene. Do you remember her X-Files episode?
Starting point is 01:09:39 Yes. Eve? Yes. That the band Eve Six takes their name from? Yes. Wow. She rules in there. She's great. She's always good. She is always good.
Starting point is 01:09:47 I feel like there's another thing I'm thinking of with her that I'm forgetting now. What is it? Well, Adam's Family Values. Oh, yes. She's so funny in that. Is it Sam McMurray? Yes. Is her husband in that? It is, right? Yes. They're Harmony from Buffy's mom.
Starting point is 01:10:02 They're Mercedes McNab's parents. What a cool couple, too. Who else? On your phone. I just... Oh, sorry. Right. It's the Wednesday Addams.
Starting point is 01:10:11 It's like, you know, she's at that age where she can only think of one thing. Boys. And she goes, homicide. Yeah. Which is great. Anyway, yeah. All right. So I also had Ruth Nega.
Starting point is 01:10:19 I had New York Film Critics Circle winner, Catherine Hunter. One of those performances that only one person could have given. it's her yeah as the witches in a way where you're almost like who played this who has been playing this part for centuries right right who else dared right uh and like when you you know just an actress obviously she's best known as a stage actress she's this incredibly physical performer she'd be like Who's been in lots of movies She's in Harry Potter I've seen her before And it really feels like the Coens like Summoned a witch
Starting point is 01:10:50 Who is she in Harry Potter? She is Mrs. Fig Who defends Harry from the Dementors His next door neighbor Who's been like a secret agent the whole time She's really good She's a whole long scene In the courtroom where she
Starting point is 01:11:04 In Azkaban No in the Wismagat in the courtroom where she in azkaban and no in the wismagot oh in the courtroom where harry's no but in the movie and prisoner of azkaban uh no it's in um order of the phoenix oh okay order of the phoenix all right um anyway uh she's really good uh really great performance i'm glad it got attention jesse buckley is just kind of almost at that stage where i'm like she's probably on my ballot every year. I mean, I nominated her, what, back-to-back for Wild Rose. I'm thinking of ending things. Were those back-to-back years?
Starting point is 01:11:32 I have no sense of time anymore. Yeah. And I did nominate her because I haven't watched that fucking movie yet, and I'm guessing I probably would if I watched it. It's an incredible performance. Do you like Jessie Buckley in The Lost Daughter? Are you not a Lost Daughter fan? I'm not a Jessie Buckley person.
Starting point is 01:11:44 I know. Disgusting. Well, I'll move on to someone we agree on. Yes. Mia Wasikowska, my winner for her performance in Bergman Island. Yes. Which she plays an emo fictional character in an emo movie who falls in love with Andrew Stangelson.
Starting point is 01:11:58 She's so wonderful. A performance I love. I don't love that movie. I don't love you. That's not true. That's not true. You know that's not true. She probably still even so made my 10.
Starting point is 01:12:10 If I liked that movie, she would have been a slam dunk. I love, I really like the movie. That winner takes it all scene is just a gorgeous piece of filmmaking. It really is. I really like Mia Wasikowska. I've got no beef with her. Yeah. But I do think I had...
Starting point is 01:12:27 I don't want to be rude, but I just sort of gotten... I was like, I know what she does. Sure. I got maybe just kind of used to her. I know what she's going to give me. And she hasn't been in a lot of stuff recently. There were a few years where you were getting a lot of her.
Starting point is 01:12:40 You know, Alice. We went through the look and feel. She and Saoirse were in a death match for a while you know in terms of just like that particular type of drop them from the ceiling they'll crack kind of and like i just i was so moved by her work in that movie joe yeah i'm passing the torch well so i got so yeah who's your winner by the way griff i think my winner is ruth naga that's a good winner yeah in my opinion my winner is uh is polly draper uh naked brothers band polly draper oh and shiva baby i have seen she's astoundingly she's good in the movie every single thing she says in that movie makes me laugh i think she just comes to play she's throwing heat
Starting point is 01:13:21 the whole time it's from the second i saw that movie i couldn't shut up about her i thought she was just like and again it's a type right the hypercritical mother everything is passive-aggressive and whatever but just like she's a sniper in that movie and she's just like picking off people left and right it's really fantastic and she and melamed makes such a great sort of like a pair together. I love that movie. I thought that movie was so fantastic. Who else do I got? Dagmara Domenchik.
Starting point is 01:13:49 I mean, lost daughters kind of, I say I'm not a Jesse Buckley person, but like, she's great in that movie. But like Dagmara Domenchik to me is another one. I think you just like that you can say her name. I've also nominated her before.
Starting point is 01:14:00 Am I misremembering? Well, before pre blankies, she had been on my ballot for a movie called higher ground that she did that Vera Farmiga directed, where she plays Vera's best friend. And of course, most people now know her as, what's her character in Succession's name? Carolina. Carolina, the one of the flunkies. The one who's having the quiet affair with the...
Starting point is 01:14:22 No. No? No. Carolina is the one who you think at the beginning of the last season has affair with the uh no no no carolina is the one who uh you think at the beginning of the last season is has defected to uh yeah and then she gets out of the car and is just like peace out oh is it i mean this was a pre-blankies year but was it immigrant as well where you had her on your ballot no no okay no i just know you love her i do love her also uh married to patrick wilson nice work if you can get it.
Starting point is 01:14:46 Hot. Uh-huh. But yeah, lost daughter. They're going on almost 20 years, those two. Yeah. She's just... Pretty hot amount of time for those two hot people to be married. She's terrifying in this movie, though. Every single, like, her, she's the only one who feels like She is scary. She and Coleman have these
Starting point is 01:15:02 fantastic little face-offs together. You think she's gonna bring it all into the Like she's gonna kind of bring the house down earlier When she's sort of interrogating her Yeah no she's good in that movie I would not have thought to pick her And then Ariana DeBose who I always talk about it But I won't stop talking about it
Starting point is 01:15:19 She got her start on So You Think You Can Dance She was eliminated first in her season on So You Think You Can Dance. She was eliminated first in her season on So You Think You Can Dance. And like the perseverance of that. I also saw her on Broadway in Bring It On, the musical, where she is fantastic. Interesting. I just, it's, so it's one of those things where I see her and I just feel this like weird swell of like secret, you know, like she's one of my people. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:15:41 Like she's one of my, she's one of my So You Think You Can Dancers. But also she's killing of my people you know what i mean like she's one of my she's one of my so you think you can answer this but also she's killing it in that movie just that again you talk about somebody who that movie asks more of her than even if you've seen the original right where it surprises you the depths to which that movie requires her to go yes And she really carries it off. Yeah. So, so well. The America number is the high point of that movie for me. That's when I feel as in love with that movie
Starting point is 01:16:11 as I wish I did for the entire run. Is it because you can see my old apartment in the background of one of the shots? It's that exact reason. And I thought it was
Starting point is 01:16:17 a weird oversight of Steven Spielberg to not do that in the other numbers. Yeah, but he should have done that. I agree. Yeah, you should leave here and go watch West Side Story
Starting point is 01:16:22 right now. It's streaming on HBO Max and Disney+. Look, I saw it again in theaters after we did our agree. Yeah, you should leave here and go watch West Side Story right now. It's streaming on HBO Max and Disney+. Look, I saw it again in theaters after we did our episode. Yeah, but... David. You had a weird theater experience.
Starting point is 01:16:30 I had a weird... I thought the theater was empty. It was empty. I was having a great time and then like 20 minutes in an old couple walked in and they talked through a lot of it. I just want to say,
Starting point is 01:16:38 I want to say, I saw it a second time. I was in a very bad mental state when we recorded our first episode. It was right when Omicron was causing nightmares. Watching it a second time, the highlights of the film became stronger for me, and my issues became stronger as well.
Starting point is 01:16:52 I still feel pretty much at the same level of it where there's stuff that I think is incredible, and there's some issues I have. Great movie. Who else you got, Joe? Kirsten Dunst in Power of the Dog, who I know did get the Oscar nomination, but we don't say it enough how great she is. For somebody who is as famous as she is and as celebrated as she is,
Starting point is 01:17:09 we kind of still don't say it enough. God love her. God love Dunst. We all salute Dunst. Yeah, she's great. I love Dunst. Yeah. I don't know. Is that it? Is that everyone? That's my five. Who's your winner? My winner's with Nega. Okay. Joe's winner is...
Starting point is 01:17:26 Polly Draper. Polly Draper. And David's winner is Mia Wasikowska. Mia Wasikowska. I don't know how you say her last name, so I'm just sort of like throwing different English on it every time. Don't go by Meryl Streep
Starting point is 01:17:36 because she totally went bananas on it. That one Golden Globes where she said... Seymour Philip Hoffman. She said Adepero Odebe, first of all, and then she said Mia Wasikowsero Odebie first of all and then she said Mia Baskiowska Baskiowska
Starting point is 01:17:48 there's more of that after this ad David yes I feel like I have to recuse screenplay best adapted screenplay best original screenplay okay Best adapted screenplay.
Starting point is 01:18:06 Best original screenplay. Okay. The worst person in the world. That's Joachim Trier and Eskil Vos. The French Dispatch. Wes Anderson. A story by Jason Schwartzman and Hugo Guinness. Roman Coppola.
Starting point is 01:18:18 The Card Counter. Greater. Facebook. Tatan. I don't know. I think it's just a card. I think it's just, yeah. Pig. Pig.
Starting point is 01:18:28 Pig. It's about that pig. Pig, pig, pig. Which is written by, it's written by the same guy. It's written directed, right? Michael Sarnowski. Yeah, I think it had a co-writer.
Starting point is 01:18:34 Michael, am I wrong? No, no, no co-writer. Well, even more impressive. There's a story given to Vanessa Block. Okay. Best adapted screenplay, what ended up being a real blink check category.
Starting point is 01:18:44 Okay. My five nominees are The Matrix Resurrections, West Side Story, The Last Duel, Benedetta, Power of the Dog. Four out of five nominees are Blink Check. Movies we covered. I see what you're saying. Okay, okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:00 But it just shook out that way. I mean, look, we had five movies this year from directors we've covered on the podcast. And all five of those movies were in my top 20 for the year. Because they were mostly late Oscar season movies. But I liked all of them. I mean, creeping on all my categories. Only made the one. I mean, it is an adaptive screenplay, of course.
Starting point is 01:19:21 Who you got? All right, original screenplay. I have Bergman Island. Me a Handsome Love, Petite Maman, Celine Sciamma. I still haven't seen it. Don't come out for another fucking six weeks. I know, but I'm just like, is that going to be until April? I really
Starting point is 01:19:35 got mad at them about that. I actually got in a fight with them about it. That's like too late. It's not a 2021 movie. I defend the worst person in the world thing. I get it. But like you can't just. Red Rocket.
Starting point is 01:19:48 Sean Baker. Blind spot. Embarrassing blind spot for me. Another inexplicable how have I not seen that. It is surprising you didn't get to it. Shiva Baby. Emma Seligman. And the worst person in the world.
Starting point is 01:19:59 Joachim Trier. And Eskel Vogt. And a man doing adapted as well. Throw him on. All right. Drive my car. Beep beep. It's Rice Game. Oh. Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game. It's Rice Game adapted as well? Throw them on. All right. Drive my car. Beep, beep. It's Rice Game Hamaguchi.
Starting point is 01:20:08 Rice Game Hamaguchi. And it's Takamasa Oi. Thank you. Lost Daughter. Maggie Gyllenhaal. Power of the Dog. Jane Campion. Bark, bark, bark, bark.
Starting point is 01:20:18 Tick, tick, boom. Steven Levinson. Tick, tick. And West Side Story. Tony Kushner. Snap, snap. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:20:28 there you go. My nominees are very similar to all of your nominees. In original screenplay, I had licorice pizza, worst person in the world, card counter, Bergman Island, and the souvenir part two,
Starting point is 01:20:38 which is I think the only one that wasn't on one of your ballots. And in adapted screenplay, I had West side story, the lost daughter, drive my car, I had West Side Story, The Lost Daughter, Drive My Car, The Power of the Dog, and Dune. Dune? Dune.
Starting point is 01:20:51 Oh. I will also say that the blankie nominees in original screenplay were Licorice Pizza, French Dispatch, Pig, Worst Person, and Tatan. And in adapted were Power of the Dog, Dune, Drive My Car The Green Knight
Starting point is 01:21:06 Great piece of adaptation and West Side Story Very good Tick Tick Boom, a late cut for me and adapted It's a very difficult piece of adapting It is by the person who wrote Dear Evan Hansen Which is so funny A lot of crossover for all of us here
Starting point is 01:21:23 I guess it's just obvious what the powerhouse screenplays are i'm trying to think what i'm missing yeah the oscar nominees are all the movies we've talked about but coda king richard yeah a really great screenplay called a movie called don't look up and belfast are some of the nominees we are ignoring uh coda coda really just didn't yeah you're not a big coda fan yeah coda is one of those movies i appreciated but i wanted to really fall in love with it and i didn't make it have you ever seen the french one no i asked my mom about and she was like oh yeah the french one sucks the french one it seems like even though it has the same basic structure
Starting point is 01:22:00 it was more like people saw it and were like well this is like a very good framework for a movie that will work yeah I don't know anyone who really said that it's good I watched the American one and I was like maybe I'd like the French one but anyway Kota not a nominee who are your winners guys my original screenplay winner is Worst Person in the World
Starting point is 01:22:18 and I gave Adapted to that dank dank Kush that's my Adapt adapted winner as well. My original screenplay winner is Lien Siama for Petit Maman. Hell yeah. Great screenplay. Beautiful piece of historical construction. I gotta wait another six weeks to see it.
Starting point is 01:22:35 It's bullshit. My original screenplay winner is going to be... Let me say adapted first, because I'm fucking doing it. I'm going Matrix Resurrection's best adapted screenplay. We rewatched it the other day for the commentary. It's a good movie. I just fucking
Starting point is 01:22:51 the audacity of that film really floors me. For best original screenplay. You had five nominees. I'm just trying to help you out here. Yeah, I know. I have five nominees. Five nominees. Peg, I am
Starting point is 01:23:08 Going to go With the worst person in the world To spread the wealth That was my winner too But spreading the wealth on your ballot Not to tip my hand where things are going I understand I need to say it aloud
Starting point is 01:23:23 Yeah a lot of good screenplays a lot of good screenplays these are not hot categories for me no no it was actually really easy for me to film I was just like
Starting point is 01:23:31 there are five obvious ones that's sort of how I felt too and I think like the adapted screenplay nominees for me this year were not well right of course that's adapted
Starting point is 01:23:41 they were like interesting works of adaptation I feel like all five of those are like very... It wasn't just like a good script that's, oh, it's based on a book. Right, right. And the original screenplay felt deeply original to me.
Starting point is 01:23:51 Which you have not seen, but Drive My Car is probably another very impressive piece of adaptation in that it is spinning like this piece of gossamer into a three-hour emotional epic. Anyway. Well, that's great. Should we do an acting category a lead actor yeah
Starting point is 01:24:06 best actor all right out to present the award the blankie for best actor actor adam driver of course tom hanks michael b jordan was our first sweep. Yeah. All three of us. Remember when we were just like, undoubtedly, that guy's going to... Remember when we were excited about him as a man? Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:24:31 Yeah. Daniel Kaluuya and Delroy Lindo. That's another cool group of guys to get dinner with. Driver's another one who's won for two different movies at Blankey's. He's won Patterson for David and Marriage Story for this guy right here and I kept on sort of making him a bridesmaid and cutting him at the last second
Starting point is 01:24:52 multiple years in a row we all were guilty of that have been guilty of that with Driver one time or another Black Klansman I almost put him in for lead and you objected you punched me in the face my nominees for best actor are
Starting point is 01:25:06 Benedict Cumberbatch. Wow. You really got held up there. No, I was going to make a pronounced funny joke and then I was going to do... Who knows what you're going to do?
Starting point is 01:25:17 I was going to do Benedict Cumberbatch. Sure, sure. Glad you didn't do it. I know. Thank God I didn't do it. And I'm especially glad we're still talking about it.
Starting point is 01:25:24 Yeah, anyway, so Benedict Cumberbatch for The Power of the Dog. Oh, not Spider-Man? Okay, fine. sure glad you didn't do it I know thank god I didn't and I'm especially glad we're still talking about it yeah anyway so Benedict Cumberbatch for the power of the dog oh not Spider-Man okay fine Oscar Isaac the card counter Nicholas Cage
Starting point is 01:25:33 in Pig Winkly Vincent Lindon in Titan Smash Smash I don't know uh huh uh
Starting point is 01:25:40 how do you make a syringe sound yeah what's a syringe I don't know squinch squinch steroid steroid steroid steroid uh and How do you make a syringe sound? Yeah, what's a syringe? Squinch, squinch. Steroid, steroid. And Matt Damon for Stillwater. A great performance. Ooh, I have not seen that movie.
Starting point is 01:25:53 Oh, sorry, let me put it on trucker hat. A great performance. I don't know. Love that performance. Late cut for me. Joe. All right. Well, I should preface this by saying
Starting point is 01:26:02 I bridesmaided Adam Driver as well for this one. He was my close sixth place for Annette. I'm assuming. Yeah, yeah. So my first Best Actor nominee is, in fact, Eric Andre for Bad Trip. Wow. Very good. Pause for her reaction.
Starting point is 01:26:18 Very good. Wow. My griffiest pick of the year. I'm griffier than any griffy pick. By far. Truly. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 01:26:25 It's one of those, well, we'll get into it. Nicolas Cage for Pig, Benedict Cumberbatch for The Power of the Dog, Andrew Garfield for Tick Tick Boom, and Mr. Simon Rex for Red Rocket. Yes. Yes. So Garfield also a late cut for me. I think that performance is tremendous, but he's gotten his Oscar attention and all that. Garfield the cat also a late cut for me just because he didn't do a movie this year. He didn't. He really fucked up. He was so ready. Pig is a, Cage and's gotten his Oscar attention. Garfield the Cat also will lay a cut for me just because he didn't do a movie this year.
Starting point is 01:26:45 He was so ready. Pig is a Cajun pig. A great performance. I have some crossover. I have Benedict Cumberbatch in The Power of the Dog. I have Oscar Isaac in The Card Counter. I have Simon Rex in Red Rocket. And then I have Hidetoshi Nishijima in Drive My Car.
Starting point is 01:27:01 And Keanu Reeves in The Matrix Resurrections. I'm glad you put him in there because I wanted to put him in there. It was kind of an obvious one for me. And then I'll say The Rewatch, which I've watched a couple times, which we just did for the commentary. I was like, he's really like, it's his best performance in years. Yeah, I mean, I think I nominated him for John Wick 3. You might have.
Starting point is 01:27:22 I think you did. One of them. Whatever the Parabellum one was. Which is the other one where I really... You did. Well, and actually pretty cool of me. But we rewatched Resurrections and we were like really fucking loopy. We had to record like 7 straight
Starting point is 01:27:35 hours that day and that commentary went off the rails. I think also because we had recently done our longest episode ever talking so in depth about that movie. But yes, David. R-watching it, I was just kind of blown away by it. I wanted to put him in there. I'm happy you put him in there instead. I gave it the screenplay nomination, even though
Starting point is 01:27:52 that doesn't do Keanu any good. He's unbelievable in that movie. I did want to, yeah, you gave Last Duel a screenplay nomination, right? That's always a fun one when you get to get some actors in there before Sunset nomination. Yeah, Damon double nominee for me this year. Hey, Stillwater.
Starting point is 01:28:08 What a performance. Maybe. What a movie. I mean, you and I always talk about dividing Damon performances into supporting versus lead, right? Yeah. Because he understands
Starting point is 01:28:17 the different opportunities in those two and the different responsibilities of those two. I think that's his best lead performance ever. And it is a performance where on its face, if 20 years ago you told someone
Starting point is 01:28:30 you were going to cast Matt Damon in that role, you'd go, I will never buy him doing that. I don't care what he ages into. Mr. Boston, Mr. Liberal, sort of like
Starting point is 01:28:40 oversharing his politics, accidentally being so woke that he says things that are retrograde. Yep. How does that guy play like weirdsharing his politics, accidentally being so woke that he says things that are retrograde. How does that guy play like weird, emotionally closed off? He's so fucking good in it. It's-
Starting point is 01:28:52 I gotta see it. I gotta see it. My other nominees, Oscar Isaac, Card Counter, Nicolas Cage, Pig. We can talk about further
Starting point is 01:28:59 as we get into our overlaps there. And a kind of power to the dog as well. I guess this opportunity to talk about Vincent Lindon a little bit more. Love him. well. I guess this opportunity to talk about Vincent Lindon a little bit more. Love him. You and I have been arguing about this for about five months about whether he's leader supporting.
Starting point is 01:29:10 I mean, it hasn't been a consistent argument. It's nonstop. Sure. During episode records, we're texting each other. He's obviously very dominant in the film once he arrives. Right. But it's halfway into the film. It is.
Starting point is 01:29:20 So it's a fairly marginal, you know, you can sell me either way. Right. I don't know where the Césars put him. Yeah, that's a good question. I feel like, am I wrong? We are in constant competition with the Césars. The fucking Césars. The fucking Césars.
Starting point is 01:29:34 They gave Best Actress to the lady playing Celine Dion this year. You know that, right? Yes. That's unbelievable. And they did nominate Vincent London in nowhere. Well, then. Wow. That's can go help yeah um here's the major thought i had going through my head while watching tatan i wish there were any american leading men who let themselves age this way there is something about him where you're just like that is an adult
Starting point is 01:30:00 man on screen he looks great he got an incredible shape for that movie yeah but just the shape of his body is not unreasonable it is not unreal he is not trying to look 35 the ways in which his skin has sagged are so fascinating there's experience there's fucking wisdom on that man's face yeah that performance is just like it's a sad daddy. It's Can I say it is the most taut performance of the year? Sure. Like just looking at him you feel tension
Starting point is 01:30:30 at all times. Yeah. And the things that movie asks him to do are like almost impossible. It's one of those performances where you have to buy that the person
Starting point is 01:30:40 does not put together a thing that is not only obvious to the audience because we have all the information but it seems apparent on its face. It's just visually a thing that is not only obvious to the audience because we have all the information, but it seems apparent on its face. It's just visually obvious. This is not his son. Right.
Starting point is 01:30:50 And towing these lines of, does he know, does he, is he in denial about it? Is he pretending he doesn't know? Some mix of that. And yeah, and he looks like an old tractor. Yeah. Or something.
Starting point is 01:31:01 It's just like, he really, you liked a tan, right, Ben? I feel like you're leaning in on this he really you saw you like to tan right ben you i feel like you're leaning in on this yeah you kept telling me that i had to see it yeah and i was like totally blown away it's so visceral that movie's punk as fuck man i don't know if you picked up on this because it is set up but the tan fucks a car yeah no i picked up on that yeah and then has a little car baby yes which the baby looks like incredible i'm like i want to see what that baby turns out like bb well to tan too yeah yeah you got it you got it but um but no i just like the last thing i'll say is the music is so fucking good the um
Starting point is 01:31:38 lead actor is like so scary and maybe we'll talk about her later. She might be on your side. Okay. Well, who else you got? Or is that everyone? Those were my five. Yeah. Cause the other ones I have overlap with you guys. Well, let's talk Isaac cage Cumberbatch. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:55 I mean, Nicholas cage is, you know, he loves that pig. He really loves that pig. Yeah. It's, I hate to fall into like the predictable sort of trap of just like,
Starting point is 01:32:04 you know, the good cage versus the bad cage and yet i can't deny that like every once in a while because i'm like i don't necessarily consider myself a nicholas cage person but every once in a while he'll throw something else something like this out and i can't i can't fully walk away see i'm very much a cage person yeah, you know, the last 10 years of his career when he got into, like, tax problems and he just had to make so many fucking movies
Starting point is 01:32:29 is the first time where I feel like he started making movies that were boring to me. Sure. He had made bad films before, but things where it didn't feel like he was putting
Starting point is 01:32:37 his all into everything. And I think in that time he has had some good Gonzo performances, which I love, and I always try to stay in good Gonzo Cage. It's not I always try to stay in good Gonzo cage it's not like
Starting point is 01:32:45 I don't want to be the person who's only fucking awarding him as you're saying when he does the naturalistic thing because he's someone who's capable of doing these things that other actors
Starting point is 01:32:53 cannot do Kick-Ass is a performance for example a movie I don't love but I think is great Gonzo weirdo cage sure sure sure there are other examples
Starting point is 01:33:01 like that in the last 10-15 years Pig it's not just that he's doing a more naturalistic performance because it's the weirdest naturalistic performance of all time. Even if you give him credit for it, he's low-key, he's understated,
Starting point is 01:33:14 he's sitting and listening to people. But it's not just that he turned the volume off or whatever. It's just like he's really doing something. The depth of feeling there is incredible. And he still is like, I mean, he's doing shit where you're just like, why isn't this guy taking a shower? And he's playing the energy of a guy who hasn't taken a shower in 15 years. He's also, like, the whole thing in Pig is, like, he looks at you and he knows things about you that you don't know about yourself.
Starting point is 01:33:36 And that is very good use of Cage. He's my winner. That he has, like, kind of wizardy powers. He's a good one. He's my winner. Yeah. He's great. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:33:44 Okay, so, yeah, the Eric Andre thing. Please. that he has like kind of wizardy powers he's he's my winner yeah yeah he's great yeah okay so yeah the eric andre thing please i it's one of those others was like i wrote a check that i had to cash essentially i watched that movie what was it spring i think it was a spring release was whatever when i when i watched that movie i was kind of in my feelings about borat a little bit i didn't like borat i felt bad about not liking borat am i not you know am i no fun for you know not liking Borat and then I watched Bad Trip and I'm like no this is what everybody liked about Borat I like about Bad Trip it's like it's like it's and he pulls that off with I mean whatever it's the Eric Andre thing right where it's like this endlessly cheerful person who is probably up to something psychotic, right? And the way he
Starting point is 01:34:28 sort of walks the people through these various sort of like pranks and set pieces in this movie, I think it's just charming but also like deceptively difficult to keep people sort of like locked in on this wavelength and
Starting point is 01:34:43 I don't know, i just think it's tremendously funny and he and lil rel are very i think it's really good in that um it's a very funny it's like it's on to me it's an uncomplicated good time and i really was looking for an uncomplicated good time when i saw that movie there's a big question for me yeah has the academy not asked lil rel to host the academy awards or does he not want to do it? Because last year, it kind of felt like, this is sort of an obvious, he's at the exact right level of fame. He can do it, yeah. He's been in movies, he's funny, he's not so big that he's like, it's not worth tanking my career to do this. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:35:17 That's a good question. I don't know. It seems like one of those things where I feel like these days, and I think the three hosts are an indicator of that is they don't ask people early enough. The three host thing is the ultimate example. They didn't get Steve Martin and Martin Short and Selena Gomez because they couldn't book them. They waited until the last
Starting point is 01:35:36 minute to ask them. That's the insane thing that the original plan was to have like three trios and then it became like three duos and now it's like three unconnected people entirely. It. Yeah. It's so bad. Yeah. What they're doing.
Starting point is 01:35:49 I feel bad for Wanda Sykes and Regina Holland. I would have felt more. Because they're being set up for failure. And I would have felt more excited if they announced any one of those three people hosting on their own. Sure.
Starting point is 01:35:56 They would have been slightly odd choices in this year. Sure. But I would have been more excited than the three where I'm just like, what the fuck is this? What's going on? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:03 Who else? Oh, and then uh uh andrew garfield i mean what a great year for him just in general but also that's a really tough assignment it is i think people were ready to hate on that movie i think that movie was being set up to be kind of a punchline people are over lin-manuel for many reasons and whatever and i think andrew garfield is one of those quasi hathaway types where it's like he's so willing to put on the show that sometimes you almost want to bully him right to have him play musical theater guy was just like recipe for punches but he pulls it off so well I mean that
Starting point is 01:36:36 movie locked me in right away where I was like because I was not I like a lot of musical theater but I was not familiar with Tick Tick Boom beyond Boom beyond the fact of it. I knew what it was. But that movie got me right away and he's tremendous. Very good at playing annoying people. This is the thing. I think you were the one who said this to me, David, when you saw it and you were sort of surprised by how good it was.
Starting point is 01:36:55 You went to one of the first screenings they had in New York before people had seen it. And you were like, the thing that's really, that gets really right is he understands what's insufferable about this guy. Without sacrificing that.
Starting point is 01:37:05 You know, you're rooting for him. Right. Right. But you're also frustrated by him, which is the experience that he's trying to sell you. And, uh,
Starting point is 01:37:12 he's so good in that movie. I'm a big Andrew Garfield fan, except when I'm not, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't like his performance in angels in America, which was like, yeah,
Starting point is 01:37:19 only winning and like highly acclaimed. And I was like, this is 10% too dialed up for me. Yeah. I was supposed to be a dialed up performance, but you know, then this year, God, tick, ticklaimed. And I was like, this is 10% too dialed up for me. Yeah. Because obviously it's supposed to be a dialed up performance. But, you know, then this year, God, Tick, Tick, Boom. I mean, I like Tammy Faye more than most. And I don't think he totally works.
Starting point is 01:37:32 I think he's really good in Tammy Faye. That is a really weird character. Yes. In that like they are kind of skirting. I don't think he's bad. He's not bad. They're skirting a lot of the worst stuff of that character. Yes.
Starting point is 01:37:44 Because they don't want to deal with it or they don't have time or whatever. Yeah. I don't really know what that decision was. And so he kind of just drops out of the movie. And like, but he's fine. He's good. He's also just, it's funny how boyish he remains in basic energy. He does.
Starting point is 01:38:00 You know, which you kind of need to use to your advantage rather than sort of ignoring yeah anyway who else we got joe i mean you and i share simon rex so we can sort of pivot to each other i mean it's what a success story what is it like what a story it's a great story i do think obviously simon sean baker has this just sort of preternatural understanding of what's going to work in his movies and who's going to make sense in them and like he obviously just sort of preternatural understanding of what's going to work in his movies and who's going to make sense in them and yeah he obviously just sort of had this idea of like Simon Rex should play this washed
Starting point is 01:38:31 up porn star and like called him out of the blue and was like I don't have a script you know right like the whole story of it is great but like yeah so credit to Sean Baker yeah but all credit to Simon Rex not a person I've thought about much no in the last 20 years. You haven't seen the movie, Griff.
Starting point is 01:38:46 You're going to love it. I'm going to love it. I will say, and to pat myself on the back a little bit, when I was on the Vanity Fair podcast and we were talking about year ahead Oscars, I did point this out. I was like,
Starting point is 01:38:56 Simon Rex playing an ex-porn star given his own, you know, biography could be a really interesting choice. I mean, you saying, David, you don't think about him much, right? And I'm realizing now it was almost 20 years ago, but I remember seeing Scary Movie 3 and being like, why aren't people using this guy? Like, he always just seemed a little better
Starting point is 01:39:18 than whatever anyone was asking him to do. He has the live wire energy that is hard to replicate. Yeah. And Ben, have you seen Red Rocket? You would love it Ben took the mic out of the stand oh yes I have he but he would
Starting point is 01:39:32 not work if he was just this annoying right guy who babbles a mile a minute Simon Rex totally understands that that guy is clinging on to any semblance of like legitimacy or coolness or, you know,
Starting point is 01:39:46 like the, he, he, that guy knows he is one like step away from basically just everyone never wanting to speak to him again. Like, but he can't help himself when he's talking and talking to her, but like,
Starting point is 01:39:57 right. I mean, like you get the sense of this character that like, this is the kind of stuff he was able to get away with in the past. This is the kind of stuff that would let him skate by the sort of, you know, charming personality stuff that even, you you may hate me but you love me kind of stuff he's so specifically like his manipulation is so specific to someone who's lived in la for a really long time yeah yeah man what a scumbag yeah and like ben says while grinning yeah i just i mean i love care i love
Starting point is 01:40:27 stories like this i love like it's just a simple character study of just this guy basically kind of just doing the same thing he's done he's just resetting his life kind of again and where it all started in his hometown yeah it's unabashedly just like messy and a little like yeah a little evil a little fucked up but a fun time yeah it's a great movie i love it did we talk about oscar isaac no i want to talk about oscar incredible performance maybe it was sort of my runner-up i'm giving it to nishijima okay um but os Isaac might run up as well by like a hair behind. He was very close. He almost made my list. I mean, it's just you and I were texting about it, David,
Starting point is 01:41:12 but like, here we go finally. This is the guy we've talked about. For the last five years, we've been waiting to come back. And it's not like he's been doing bad work, but it just felt like, well, this is clearly the dude of his generation. and then it feels like Adam Driver started taking all the parts
Starting point is 01:41:28 for four actors of his generation. And Oscar Isaac just sort of disappeared for a little bit. You know, obviously, demands of Star Wars and whatever, but... Right. It was like, here we are, back to basics, give him just a real meaty script and a character study, and let him
Starting point is 01:41:45 look other actors in the eye the scene where he tells the story about the best hand he's ever seen played and he lays out all the cards and monologues it to tie tie the sheridan and that's like a mostly a one-er that sort of slowly moves in on him it's just it's incredible shit he's like he's our fucking he's the one guy who's got the 70s Pacino thing. You know? He does. I mean,
Starting point is 01:42:08 that's what he had in like my Most Violent Year, of course. Right. And you're right. It's just been a few years of being like,
Starting point is 01:42:13 I guess he's just been busy with stuff I'm, that is less interesting. Yeah. That's all. I never dislike him, but it's certainly that run of like
Starting point is 01:42:23 Llewyn Davis into Most Violent Year, into whatever. You were just like, here we go. Ready. Ex Machina. I mean, I love him. Ex Machina, incredible performance. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:32 I also had Nishijima. Am I the only person who nominated him? It's just... He was on my runners-up. Powerhouse, slow-boil performance. Yeah. You know, absolutely, like, has to nail the big emotional moment at the end of the movie. Does.
Starting point is 01:42:47 Like, I don't know the actor really at all. The movie doesn't work without him. Spellbinding stuff. Keanu Reeves we've talked about. But I really do think it's such a self-aware, funny, sweet, emotional, like, different performance. And the range. What you're talking about. The stages that character goes through, that he gets to play
Starting point is 01:43:03 comedy, that he gets to do his physical acting, that he gets to play really sort of low-key drama intimacy uh and be romantic as well uh i mean cumberbatch i feel like we don't have to talk about because just last week on this feed we talked about for two it's a great performance yeah um some cuts i'm sure you guys have plenty you want to talk about too but i I'm sure I have a few. I didn't have that many. Maybe not. I mean, it's a strong, it's a top heavy. I do like both of the Oscar nominee performances that we did not touch, which are Denzel and Will Smith. Same.
Starting point is 01:43:34 I think Will Smith is good in that movie. Yeah. I think Denzel is fantastic in Macbeth. I agree. It's just, you know, I sort of wanted room for... It's also one of those things where... I really like his take on Macbeth as like, this dude's tired.
Starting point is 01:43:48 I will say, I often have a hard time connecting to Shakespeare, and I felt like he brought me into it more than most actors I have seen, in a really, really savvy way. It is this thing that is kind of unfair, where I saw it and I was like, right, yeah, no, of course he's great at this. You don't get excited about it maybe as much. That's sort of how I was, too. I love Damon and I was like, right, yeah, no, of course he's great at this. You don't get excited about it maybe as much.
Starting point is 01:44:05 That's sort of how I was, too. Right. I love Damon and Stillwater. I'm a big fan of Don Cheadle in No Sudden Move, that kind of like Oscar Isaac-y phenomenon of like, it's you giving a real performance. You're a good actor. Been a minute.
Starting point is 01:44:19 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's another obvious one that I feel like I'm forgetting. Adam Driver in Annette. Adam Driver's so good one that I feel like I'm forgetting Adam Driver in Annette Adam Driver is so good in that movie that is a very committed performance from an actor who defines committed performances but that is a throwing everything
Starting point is 01:44:36 at the wall type performance I do like it Joaquin Phoenix in Come On Come On just what we needed seeing him play a normal guy what did you think of Dinklage and Cyrano he was on a long run I like that movie but I more like it for the Joe rightness
Starting point is 01:44:51 the same theatricality but like I think he's totally good and I think they totally biffed getting him a nomination like I think they easily could have I think they could have too I have I have a one more I want to throw out who truly might have been like my six or seven. It's not quite a Vin Diesel award because I do think he's very close.
Starting point is 01:45:12 Throw it out. And I will admit this, of course, might be somewhat colored by sentimentality because of the events in between when I saw this movie and where we stand today. But I also felt this way when I saw the performance. Bob Odenkirk is incredibly good in nobody. I think that movie is a mess. I think if he gave that same performance in a movie that I thought was dramatically functional, right. He'd probably be a slam dunk five for me.
Starting point is 01:45:36 I have not seen it. I have not either. Okay. Okay. I, I think he's incredibly good to a degree that's almost underrated. And I think obviously the thing that everyone focused on was that he did all this training and he does all the fight a degree that's almost underrated. And I think, obviously, the thing that everyone focused on was that he did all this training.
Starting point is 01:45:45 And he does all the fight choreography and all of that. Yeah. But I think it is kind of an incredible performance for a guy who I have always, obviously, loved. And say often, I think it's… How early in the year was that movie? April? Yeah, it was pretty early. It was one of the first post-vax movies I saw.
Starting point is 01:46:00 Right, right. And I think that movie makes some incredibly stupid choices in terms of characterization that fucked him over a little bit. But he is unreal good. And as we stand today in the present day, I just want to constantly show more appreciation for Bob Odenkirk, a guy who it was scary to think about
Starting point is 01:46:18 losing. Any other cuts you want to shout out, Griff or Joe? Joe, who was your winner? David, your winner was......ijima and drive my car best actress all right out to present best actress we have annette benning oh the 20th century woman herself Toni Collette Carrie Coon Oh the nest herself Rooney Mara
Starting point is 01:46:53 Oh Carol herself Not correct But nonetheless And Lupita Nyong'o Oh the French champagne I don't forget. I forget the character's name in Us. No, I know the movie.
Starting point is 01:47:07 I just don't remember. Oh, well, she's got the two fucking characters. Well, Red is the tether. Right. Why am I forgetting her other character's name? Okay. My five nominees for Best Actress. Best Actress!
Starting point is 01:47:17 In a leading role. In a leading role. Are Jodie Comer, The Last Duel. Rebecca Hall, The Night House. One of your faves. Been talking up all year. Virginie Ifeira. I don't know how to pronounce her name.
Starting point is 01:47:28 Benedetta. Oh, sure. Yeah, this is my run of the names that I'm going to fuck up. Oh, here we go. Agatha Rossell in Titan. Yeah, is it Agatha Rossell? Anyway, yes. The lead actress in Titan.
Starting point is 01:47:40 And Renata Rensve? Renata Rensve. For the worst person in the world. Very good. All right. Mine are Olivia Colman in The Lost Daughter. Look out. Penelope Cruz in Parallel Mothers.
Starting point is 01:47:54 Look out. Look out. Jansa Juricic in Quo Vadis Aida. One of those movies I need to get around to. I've heard it's really good. And it was one of those that rode the line between, is it last year, is it this year?
Starting point is 01:48:09 Nicole Kidman in being the Ricardos and Renata Reinsva in The Worst Person in the World. You got some explaining to do. You got some explaining to do. I had to do it. I'm standing by it. You got some explaining to do. I think I said this
Starting point is 01:48:26 to Griffin. I don't think that performance is bad on a typical level. I don't either. I think it's actually good when taken on its own level. In dealing with the language of the screenplay and being such a commanding performance. It's good as a lead performance in a Sorkin film. Yeah. I just I just I don't think it really makes any sense. I cannot
Starting point is 01:48:41 What is the Tommy Lee Jones line? I cannot sanction its buffoonery. I mean, yes. It's like, we all know Lucille Ball. Lucille Ball. And I'm like, mm-hmm. Comedy legend. And the movie's like, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:48:53 Very persnickety boss. And I'm like, okay. That's it. Goodbye. Right. Woman who constantly lists her accomplishments. I feel like that's a justifiable take on the material. I genuinely do.
Starting point is 01:49:04 Joe. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's all right. No, look, I have truly zero problems with her performance in terms of what she was asked to do. I have problems with what the movie asked her to do and perhaps her casting as well. But I think she did her job well. Great performance.
Starting point is 01:49:20 Is she going to win an Oscar? Or is she struggling, you know, whatever, Peaked a little too soon in the narrative. The Chastain's acting was interesting. That is a performance I defend a lot. Yeah, I mean, no offense to the Screen Actors Guild. Yes. Sure. Of which you are a member.
Starting point is 01:49:34 Correct. But they do vote like morons a lot of the time. So they can be tough as predictors. Sure. Because they often will make really strange winning decisions. I think what that did, though, is that Emily Blunt best supporting actress at Quiet Place. Look, not a bad performance. Not a bad performance. Not a bad performance.
Starting point is 01:49:46 Just an odd winner. But a lead performance. Also true. But no, I think what that did was threw that category into anybody can win it. Just like now,
Starting point is 01:49:54 I think it's going to be so spread out that the threshold for winning that category is going to be I'm wondering if it's Coleman now. It's unambiguous least likely to win
Starting point is 01:50:03 having once been a front runner. She's the only one I can't see of that vibe. She would be the most surprising. I wonder if Coleman just benefits from the split. I've been saying for months that Coleman's going to win
Starting point is 01:50:11 and I'm standing by that. Like, you know, yeah. Yeah. And she's just weirdly become like, it's funny that her Oscar speech was like, this is wild. This is never going to happen again. And now she's become
Starting point is 01:50:20 like the new Judi Dench. Yeah. She's just become, if she has a new movie, it's going to be an Oscar favorite because she's involved and she's going to the new Judi Dench yeah she's just become if she has a new movie it's going to be an Oscar favorite because she's involved and she's going to get
Starting point is 01:50:28 a slam dunk nomination yeah it's very funny my nominees yes are Renata Reinsfeld in The Worst Person in the World
Starting point is 01:50:35 Alana Haim in The Krish Pizza Penelope Cruz in Parallel Mothers Olivia Colman in The Lost Daughter and Rachel Ziegler in West Side Story
Starting point is 01:50:43 Ziegler a late cut for me yeah Luminous Paula Beer in, a late cut for me. Luminous! Paula Beer and Undine, a cut for me. Incredible performance, movie that fucking rips. Chastain was a short lister for me. That's of the Oscar-y performances
Starting point is 01:50:58 of the year. That's the one that I like. I think those were my only real cuts. Kristen Stewart was a close cut for me. I really like that performance. I really like that performance. I love K-Stew. I struggle with that one.
Starting point is 01:51:09 Rachel Sennett in Shiva Baby. I did love Shiva Baby. Yeah, surprised that didn't make it considering you gave Shiva Baby other love. I do love that movie. You know what? Actually, maybe Kit Kidman out. Yeah, Kit's not in there.
Starting point is 01:51:18 Stand and buy it! Is she your winner? No, she's not my winner. Thank God. Thank God. All right. Calm down. Tilda Swinton in Memoria.
Starting point is 01:51:27 That's a cut for me. I imagine. I kind of was surprised that you didn't. She was in and out. That's a blind spot for me that I feel no embarrassment about because fucking stop making this movie so difficult to watch. It came out a week the cases were up and I was just like,
Starting point is 01:51:40 I don't feel like going out this week. We were in the worst possible city to live in with that movie. Screwed them over. I know. And there was a moment where I don't feel like going out this week. We were in the worst possible city to live in with that movie. Screwed them over. I know. And there was a moment where I had a streaming link to it. And I was like, I'm going to wait and hope that it circles back around. And it fucking didn't. I watched it on a streaming link.
Starting point is 01:51:53 I wished I hadn't, but I did. It's a very good movie whenever it comes to town. If it ever comes to town. I was fine with their plan if they actually fucking did it. Well, there was this Omicron variant I'm aware But then at that moment they should have just gone like never mind cute idea Look I don't
Starting point is 01:52:12 Rather than they're just doing neither I don't know I don't know what's going on I don't know Honor Swinton Byrne is a cut for me Do you have any other cuts No I think those are the ones I'm trying to think if I've got anyone else.
Starting point is 01:52:26 It was a very good year for Morfydd Clark in St. Maude. A very late cut for me. Oh, yeah. She's good. Really loved that performance. That's a good point. Vicky Creeps in Bergman Island. Quite good. Yes. Love Creeps. I mean, always. I'm always pro Creeps. I mean, I'll shout out
Starting point is 01:52:42 Annabelle Wallace in Malignant. I think it's a very challenge, you know very big challenge. She's being thrown there and she's really good. That is a case, if I didn't have five nominees who were that strong, I would have pushed Annabelle Wallace in for the chaos of it. I still, I love Malignant. I go back and forth between thinking,
Starting point is 01:53:00 is that a great performance or is James Wan really clever for casting somebody who can only give a certain level of you know what i mean just like i feel like the casting in that movie is part of the lulling the audience into where he wants you to be yes he's casting that movie like it's a b movie he's casting that movie like it's trash but i which is not to say that annabelle wallace is trash but no he's cast that movie as if it's a lower tier yes film yes i i think she's incredibly good in that film and i think you you i'm a fan it requires an actor with a very non-conventional understanding of what a performance can be to pull that off you have to give her credit for intelligence for that. Let me give you the blankie.
Starting point is 01:53:45 10 in lead performance. Number one, Alana Haim. Then Nicolas Cage. Benedict Cumberbatch. Dev Patel, who I didn't shout out, but I love that performance. It obviously falls a little bit into our past guests movie. Sexy, sexy, though.
Starting point is 01:54:01 Not Dev, but Larry. David Larry. Very handsome man. Rachel Ziegler in West Side Story. Jodie Comer in The Last Duel. Yeah. Rachel Ziegler. Not Dev, but Larry. Yeah. Well, David Larry. Very handsome man. Rachel Ziegler in West Side Story, Jodie Comer in The Last Duel, Renata Reinsve, Simon Rex, Kirsten Stewart, and Andrew Garfield.
Starting point is 01:54:12 That is the 10 from the blankies. Okay. I want to say, because you just brought it up again, I'm very surprised Jodie Comer didn't make your list as such a big Last Duel defender. I think, like,
Starting point is 01:54:22 that movie, like, in many ways, hinges on her being able to pull off that last third. She rules. I love Jodie Sumner. She rules. And Free Guy is one of those things where she gives that movie so much more than that movie deserves. I will now finally be watching Free Guy now that it is streaming on HBO or whatever.
Starting point is 01:54:42 It's technically a free watch. It's an Oscar nominee, so I do have to watch it. oh there you go i i don't have much picture love yes right i don't have much love for free guy no yeah but it's one of those things where you're just like this is a sheer no i've heard similar right on a pretty superficial character she really does a yeoman's work on that and then a last duel is just the whole movie hinges on her perspective and her being able to play these very subtle differences in incredibly difficult scenes which she does uh beautifully an incredible performance as someone who doesn't watch time tv and didn't watch killing eve i think it also knocked me out more right yeah i was a little
Starting point is 01:55:22 more total shock for you. Yeah. Who's your winner? My winner would be the drama I've been banging all fucking year, it feels like, even though it's only been six months or whatever. Rebecca Hall in Nighthouse.
Starting point is 01:55:34 You love that performance. An incredible performance that may be one of the best depictions of grief I have ever seen. It is stunning. Have you seen that movie? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:55:44 There's the scene where they, what's her name? Sarah Goldberg from Barry is her friend. She's a school teacher. They invite her out for drinks. She's been grieving from the suicide of her husband. And this movie is so attuned to that weirdness of trying to treat someone
Starting point is 01:56:03 who's gone through something very traumatic as if they're normal yeah like we're just gonna create a sense of normalcy for you rather than constantly grieving around you and how quickly that person can hijack the situation make it uncomfortable for everyone yes yeah so they're trying to tiptoe around stuff someone asked her a question she gets into it and she starts making overly casual jokes about the horrible things she's been living through yeah and it's that thing where her not being sad about it is more disturbing to everyone else around her right it's not her only scene like that in the movie but it is a thing i don't think i've ever seen an actor perfectly capture yeah which is that weird angry humor coming out of like yeah absolute depths of despair that becomes
Starting point is 01:56:47 so unnerving to everyone else around them an amazing performance by by someone who had quite a year when you also look at passing you want and also she's my four-time freckle face of the year so i've been waiting and for whatever it's worth would have been my casting choice for who should have been the fucking Lays to Do part in the last two Bond movies. Oh. I'm like, that's the version of that movie that maybe works for me.
Starting point is 01:57:12 I think Lays to Do is great in No Time to Die. I mean, nothing in Spectre performance-wise completely works for me. It's tougher to argue for Spectre. I mean, I could bring Joey Simpson here and he'll give you a Spectre. He likes that movie. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:57:24 And then my other three, Benedetta Tatan and Worst Person in the World. We talked about Benedetta extensively on that episode. Virginie, incredible. And talk about another bizarre, almost Simon Rexy-like. How did you see that there?
Starting point is 01:57:39 Someone who was primarily a television presenter and a weather person who then became sort of a celebrity celebrity but not taken seriously as an actress given this incredibly good supporting role in Elle but playing a very opposite character what she does in this and she just fucking attacks it.
Starting point is 01:57:56 And Tatana it's like she sort of gets the spot that I would have wanted to push Annabelle Wallace for of just like physical commitment, energy, weirdness. Yeah, definitely.
Starting point is 01:58:11 But another person who had no previous acting experience was a dancer discovered on Instagram. And it was like a year spent. On Instagram? Easy. I really like that performance. I know that movie is polarizing. I really like that performance I know that movie is polarizing
Starting point is 01:58:27 I really love that performance same and I imagined she's my winner Renata Reinsper marry me Renata that is a movie you pitch you want to remake marry me yes I'm holding up a sign at the Cannes Film Festival
Starting point is 01:58:42 the cutest person in the world a luminous performance. And I have nominated a lot of luminous performers this year because Alana Haim and Rachel Ziegler are similar where I'm just like, oh my God, the personality jumping out of the screen. Three stars born. Right.
Starting point is 01:58:55 And it's like, is it just magic? Right. Is it specific? Directors who have very much keyed into specific star qualities of these three people. And then the other two nominees I have are Cruise and Coleman, who are just like very, very, very good actresses giving powerhouse performances that demand a lot of them.
Starting point is 01:59:12 I love Cruise. That movie confused me deeply. Sure. I like it as a movie. I think it's a star vehicle for her. I was really into it the last 20 minutes, and then I went, I have no idea what the fuck this is. And it's not like there's a weird twist.
Starting point is 01:59:25 It's just the movie kind of goes off in an odd cul-de-sac and then stays there. It becomes about a thing you weren't really thinking it was going to be about.
Starting point is 01:59:32 It was not the thing I was most interested in. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, I understand that. But like, she's somebody, I also think, I think there's a chance
Starting point is 01:59:37 she could win the Oscar too. Like, I really think that's not out of the question and that would be amazing. Yeah, I think she's great. Olivia Colman rules. My winner is actually yansa jiricic for cuovadas ida wow which is a movie i saw because it was a foreign language film last year but it didn't get a release in the states until after the oscars uh and so this is what has been sort of in my back pocket for a while and it was
Starting point is 02:00:02 one of those movies just like it's hard to be like can't believe nobody saw quavada's idea because like where were you like where were you going to see this movie and yet i want more people to even though it's very harrowing it's especially now in like the geopolitical times we're living in now to move a movie about like the bosnian you know the war in yugoslavia and whatnot it's just like there's a lot of stuff but she's so really fantastic and just sort of commands that movie and she's incredibly sympathetic and and sort of goes through a lot in it and she plays the uh the sort of mother a wife and mother as who is also an interpreter okay for uh you know for the government in the city that is being occupied and she has
Starting point is 02:00:48 to try and get her family out while also remaining to do her job. And it's very tense, but she's really incredible. I need to watch that movie. Who's your winner, Joe? That's her? Have you said everyone? Yes. Renata's your winner, Joe? That's her. Have you said everyone?
Starting point is 02:01:05 Yes. Renata's my winner. Renata was the only one all three of us shared. I believe so, yes. How do you not? No, I agree. Back to the blankies after these messages. David? Relationships take over. After these messages. David.
Starting point is 02:01:27 Yeah. Relationships take off. Baby, it's the blankies. All right. Well, before we get to director and picture. Yes. Are there any other awards we want to talk about? It's going to be a simp for directions that this is about to go in pretty much.
Starting point is 02:01:41 Okay. But just kind of absurd to not nominate French Dispatch in every craft category. And I think even the people who are cold on that movie. I know. It's so good. Very strange.
Starting point is 02:01:53 Very strange. I don't know what happened there except that it's happened before. The only one of his movies to get any nominations outside of screenplay or animated film is Budapest. And otherwise,
Starting point is 02:02:04 it is bizarre that he never gets costume, he never gets art direction, he never gets cinematography. Especially with, like, music's the only other place they... Right, but like Moonrise Kingdom, only nominated for screenplay. Royal Tenenbaums, famously only nominated for screenplay, bizarrely. Obviously because Gene Hackman was the craziest thing in the world. Rushmore,
Starting point is 02:02:19 Life Aquatic, Goose Egg. Yeah, Life Aquatic, these... Anyway, I don't know what it is. Because it felt like Grand Budapest, finally the breakthrough. They're going to recognize that every year you're going to have to fucking put his movies in all these categories. Well, that's why a lot of people thought that French Dispatch was like a front runner a year ahead of time. In terms of like, this could be like a big Best Picture contender. It was going to open at Cannes. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:02:40 All this sort of stuff. And it's, I think a lot of with Wes Anderson is almost like who's getting to it first, who's setting the tone on what the reaction to it is. And he's such a particular filmmaker that like, if you're not on his wavelength, you're really not on his wavelength. And I'm going to talk about this movie more,
Starting point is 02:02:57 but I do think that is a movie that perhaps is not best seen in a film festival setting. I think that was not the right way to introduce that movie. But here's, I want to call out a specific one. I think that was not the right way to introduce that movie. But here's, I want to call out a specific one that I think people aren't talking about.
Starting point is 02:03:09 Watching the movie a second time, I really keyed into. I'm sorry, what were you saying? I said Bruno. We don't talk about Bruno. It was a joke
Starting point is 02:03:16 about the film Encanto. Go ahead. That's for the kids. It's the moment we think is going to go viral. That's why we cut it. Exactly. Hashtag Encanto.
Starting point is 02:03:21 David had to make that joke. Visual effects in French Dispatch. Wonderful. Okay, because that's a movie that costs like $20 million. Yeah. And whatever it was,
Starting point is 02:03:30 almost 20 years ago, Life Aquatic costs like $60 million. He insisted on building the whole fucking boat. Cost of fortune. And all this sort of stuff. And you watch French Dispatch, and I don't know if there is
Starting point is 02:03:42 a single shot in that movie that is not some sort of digital effect, but yet he makes that entire movie feel entirely handmade. And so much of that is that essentially every single shot in that movie is some sort of weird collage. He is no longer building extravagant sets. He's working very thrifty and very fast, building only a piece of it and then using models and matte paintings and digital effect, all these things to stitch it together where you have these incredible vistas, you know, these incredible detailed layered nuanced environments, these immaculate frames that feel very analog. And it's a kind of movie where the digital effects are pretty invisible. And then you have sequences like the thing where he has like the frozen in time people
Starting point is 02:04:21 on wire shit where it is actually practical. Yeah. But yeah yeah that movie fucking rules another movie i think deserves credit and craft categories is uh barb and star go to visadel mar i mean i love that movie great movie we haven't talked about it yet what a great movie yeah it does look phenomenal it looks good yeah like and it could so easily have looked like a cheap piece of shit yeah like yeah it's a comedy that has some actual fucking scale to it. Do you have cinematography nominees?
Starting point is 02:04:47 I didn't write that down. I did write down, I have five, uh, voice performance nominees. I love a voice that I jotted down. Yeah. I got Olivia Coleman and Mitchell's versus the machine and outstanding voice.
Starting point is 02:04:59 She's so good. Yes. Jessica Darrow from Encanto, who is, uh, the, the surface surface pressure, pressure, the older sister. A really fun song.
Starting point is 02:05:08 Really great. Okay. Really great performance. Jack Dylan Grazer in Luca, who I think is really, really good. Yeah. And that movie rips. Hey, fishy boy. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:05:18 Whatever. Luca. Yeah. Go ahead. Cute little fishy boy. I'm not sure how to pronounce this, but uh hey bay a bay griffiths uh the baby in a net the singing voice of the baby in a net and my best voice vocal performance the guy who keeps going baby yeah that's true i should have
Starting point is 02:05:36 looked up that who that is and then uh uh steven sonheim for a voicemail and we're gonna talk about that in putters and Murmurs as well. My animated film of the year is definitely Mitchell's Versus the Machines, which I think is a really great movie. But Flea is obviously
Starting point is 02:05:57 very good. Flea to me is like a triumphant movie. It's good as a feat of animation, but Mitchell's Versus the Machines is this really innovative bit of animation but mitchell's versus machines is this really innovative bit of animation like yeah it's like got all these different styles that are mixed together and all that like as animation it's kind of astounding katie mitchell confirmed blanking you've got oh yeah shout out katie mitchell and that's a good performance abby jacobson yeah um but you know i like i know you like luca i love luca i really grew for me a second time one of
Starting point is 02:06:23 the great last shots in an animated movie is Luca. Yes, and also a movie where, especially watching it a second time, really unlocked for me its power being in how modest it is. Yeah. I think it is somewhat radical to make a film that is sort of that emotionally and narratively small scale and is comfortable with that.
Starting point is 02:06:43 And it does feel like, I feel like anytime there's a movie that has a little bit of that wistfulness in it, people jump to say like American Ghibli. Sure. But that is a movie that actually feels kind of Ghibli-esque in its size and its concerns and its focus on the inner lives of its characters. I will say this. Yes.
Starting point is 02:07:00 I like Luca. And you probably haven't seen it yet But Turning Red Which is about to come out I can't wait to see Turning Red Is so good Really? It's the best thing Pixar has made in years Fuck Really?
Starting point is 02:07:11 Yes When did you watch it? Yesterday What? What? And uh Kind of blows Luca out of the water But I don't like Luca as much
Starting point is 02:07:19 I really wanted to love Luca Because I love Italians riding around Vespas Yeah And for some reason, was sort of like... Too many Italians. Too many Italians, of course, my famous anecdote. But yeah, my animated film.
Starting point is 02:07:32 I liked Crypto Zoo as well, but it kind of, you know... Crypto Zoo is one of those ones where it's like a cool idea and it's like it's interesting. It went on and on. But yeah, yeah. I am... I saw a very interesting animated film. The Encanto performance that really jumped out for me was Diane Guerrero
Starting point is 02:07:46 Oh as Isabella I think everyone's fun in Encanto I really love Encanto I really love that movie Alright what are some other Cinematography I had Power of the Dog, Spencer West Side Story, Dune and the Green Knight
Starting point is 02:08:02 I mean yeah I jot it down because it's such a big Musicals year Spencer, West Side Story, Dune in the Green. I mean, yeah, you know, whatever. I jot it down because it's such a big musicals year. I did write down five choreography nominations. Because I feel like choreography is one of those categories that should be at the Oscars, but are not. Cyrano for its little interludes into that sort of very sort of beautiful kind of like waltzing choreography. In the Heights, the 96,000 number in the pool, especially West Side side story and then i went kind of weird for the last two i put malignant for fight i mean it's really good the fight choreography and malignant's the best thing i've seen in quite a while seen in the prison in the
Starting point is 02:08:37 police station yeah did you read the interview with nicholas cage where he's talking about how he's gonna play dracula in the renfield movie and they were like what are you pulling from where he's talking about how he's going to play Dracula in the Renfield movie and they were like, what are you pulling from? And he's like, I got really excited by Malignant. That's the first movie and new movie to give me ideas
Starting point is 02:08:50 in a while. That's very promising. That's very promising. Yeah. And it's not really a group dance number and I know it's not everybody's favorite,
Starting point is 02:09:00 but Katrina Balfe dancing in Belfast is the best part of that. That's some sexy stuff. That's the whole thing. I'm like, get this kid out of here. I don't give a shit.
Starting point is 02:09:10 I've stolen some sweets. I don't care. I'm also like, maybe get the older people out of here. Maybe also get Jamie Dornan out of here. Maybe let me just watch her dance for two hours. I like what Dornan's doing, but yeah,
Starting point is 02:09:18 that movie's Balfe is, it's fine. It's fine. I'm not even saying that like condescendingly. It's fine. I was so ready to love that movie i was like just my mouth is open stuff the ham sandwich inside you told me like the most damning thing in the world is that that movie couldn't make me cry and i couldn't have been more buttered up that's what you told me after watching score do you guys have favorite scores
Starting point is 02:09:41 obviously i have johnny greenwood power the Power of the Dog And Hans Zimmer and Dune Who are Oscar nominees Annette obviously had a very expansive Interesting score by the Mayells I really love Johnny Greenwood's Spencer score Which I thought was kind of ignored Because they all went to dog I really loved Daniel Hart's Green Night music
Starting point is 02:10:01 Some other nominees The Blankets nominated Dune, Power of the Dog, Annette, Spencer, and Kanto. But they also had the French Dispatch, Lovely Score, Green Night, West Side Story, Licorice Pizza. Well, it doesn't really have a score. But whatever. No Time to Die.
Starting point is 02:10:16 Licorice Pizza has a little bit of score. Very little. I don't know. Any other scores you guys liked? I didn't jot down scores specifically but like the the Spencer score I think it was one
Starting point is 02:10:28 I agree with you that like it would have been nice if that had been sort of a resurface my favorite score of the year was on TV actually it was the Station Eleven score
Starting point is 02:10:35 the Dan Romer we should listen to that I love Dan Romer scores it's a phenomenal score I just want to give out a word here I'm just looking here biggest reddest dog
Starting point is 02:10:42 goes to Clifford the big red dog upset all right I don't know but drive my car if you think about it metaphorically it's a nice red dog to give out an award here. I'm just looking here. Biggest reddest dog goes to Clifford the Big Red Dog. Upset. All right. I don't know, but Drive My Car, if you think about it metaphorically,
Starting point is 02:10:48 it's a nice red dog. It's a nice big red dog. I could do biggest reddest creature and then turning red would be an early frontrunner for next year. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:10:55 If I want to make an evergreen category. That's the thing that's sort of underrated. She doesn't turn into a regular red panda. She turns into like a 10 foot tall
Starting point is 02:11:02 red panda. Yeah, that's cool. That fucking rules. Great movie about hormones. I wanted some spillover room for supporting actress, so I created a category that is best performance as a witch or ghost. Okay.
Starting point is 02:11:14 Which is where... It's a Ben category. I know. I don't want to step on any toes or anything like that, Ben. But this is where Catherine Hunter for Tragedy of Macbeth shows up for me. Charlotte Rampling in Dune as a Bene Gesserit, who is part nun, part witch, I feel like. Absolutely.
Starting point is 02:11:30 She's a witch. Sure. Yes. This, basically the reason I created this category is because I wanted to give something to Sarita Chaudhary for Green Knight. Incredible. Who is not in that movie enough to really crack supporting actress. I thought about it and I was similarly like, it would be maybe a bit of a stretch.
Starting point is 02:11:43 It would be a stretch, but like. Sarita Chaudhary, by the the way have you guys seen after Yang yet oh yeah I don't want to spoil much about after Yang but it begins with opening credits in which every member of the cast does a dance yep and her it's one of those I sat down for the movie and I was like I know Colin Farrell is in this I don't really know anything
Starting point is 02:12:00 else yep and so you're seeing almost every cast member in this opening credit sequence before you meet them in the movie and when she pops up and pops off it's amazing it's spellbinding you almost want to jump out of your seat yeah you're kind of it's great yeah yeah anyway yeah an actress who's great in hologram for the king movie i'm now deciding i'm gonna make a running bit of bringing up as much as i can i love three to two yeah same jennifer ely and saint maude which is not really fitting the category exactly whatever she counts yeah she's scary and then finally the devil we don't know we don't know i mean we kind of know
Starting point is 02:12:32 but maybe and then timothy spall and spencer who i genuinely believed was dead for most of them i mean yeah i like that performance i do too no to me the shining of it all right like they're just like it's just like are you is this guy dead is he maybe no he's definitely got like evil bartender from the shining energy now i feel like both of you at different points in the year throughout predictions of performances you thought might qualify for putters and murmurs i mean to me there's a runaway winner there was look for me there's one that i saw the second it showed up on screen. I went, this has to be it.
Starting point is 02:13:06 Look, again, I wish the car from driving my car counted, but it's not really a putter. That thing rides smooth. Yeah, that's true. Sorry. It's not like Goofy's Jalopy. I don't think it's the one that either of you predicted, but there was one where when it popped up on screen,
Starting point is 02:13:19 I went, this has to be it. Can I hear your predictions, Beau? My winner for putters and murmurs is Bradley Whitford in Tick, Tick, Boom. This is what you told me. Wesley Puttering and Murmurs. That's a great one. All Murmurs.
Starting point is 02:13:29 Yeah. Who is your Putterer or Murmurer? I mean, as soon as I saw Pig, I sort of jotted down Nicolas Cage as an early favorite. And I feel like you said to me, like, is that a case where someone could win Best Actor and Putters and Murmurs? I think I texted you that.
Starting point is 02:13:41 The Turner. Not a movie that I liked, but I thought Mark Rylance in that movie in Don't Look Up is a classic archetype. Well, he's murmuring. It's almost more of a grumbles and mumbles. Well, he's got a little, though. I mean, of course, yes, grumbles and mumbles,
Starting point is 02:13:57 which was, there was also mumbles and muffles and stutters and stammers and glowers and frowners last year. Yeah. Well, apparently we also gave a best supporting thermos performance. Oh, Halloween. Of course. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:14:09 That was a tough category last year. I had a couple on this year. Is there a good thermos? I can't think of one. I, I jotted down best whispers and shushers, which is a, a DASA as Dolores Madrigal in,
Starting point is 02:14:20 in Kanto. Oh, who whispers her way through that movie. Yeah. I love that character. Uh, croakers and lurkers was Catherineatherine hunter in the trash perfect perfect hunchers and strutters which is my uh john magaro in many saints of newark as uh as silvio dante that performance is the most unhinged performance it's the most performance of the year it's why why in the world did you feel like you needed to give silvio a signature walk It's like he watched The Sopranos through a telescope
Starting point is 02:14:47 I'm like What do you think you are doing But the wrong end of a telescope I spent half the movie being like who is he playing And then I was like He's supposed to be Silvio Like wait a second And then finally Clangers and Whistlers
Starting point is 02:15:02 For The Pipes and The Humans Oh great pipe work in the humans By the way the humans is about These kids The daughter of a family is throwing Thanksgiving in her new apartment which she's just Moved into so it's empty and the apartment Is kind of like haunted in a New York
Starting point is 02:15:19 City way where like there's a lot of bangs and weird Groans and noises and you're like is this just Neighbors and the pipes or are we about to die like kind of weird the only new york city movie that ever made me feel like i should leave new york city it's it's it's got it's got an intense energy griff who is your runaway putterer runaway puttersman it's a small performance but it's almost like a skill piece kind of win yeah steven root in the tragedy of mcbeth oh very good someone who was able to with less than five minutes of screen time successfully putter and murmur his way through shakespeare he does putter so well while being coherent and look obviously one of the all-time great putters
Starting point is 02:15:58 and murmurs when he wants to be yeah right but the fact that he was able to do it with that material yeah and not bar at the expense of the movie. Yeah. That movie came in late, but you're right. Yeah. I loved Sondheim, but the second that performance came on screen, I went, I'm in love. You haven't seen my number one Putters and Murmurs, though. Which is?
Starting point is 02:16:18 I'm interested to see Brenda Deese Dice in Red Rocket, who actually has just passed away. She is a good Putter and Murmur. Deese Dice in Red Rocket, who actually has just died. She is a good putter. She's the mother-in-law in Red Rocket. And it is classic. Look, I want to remind people that that first year where all three of us gave Michael B. Jordan best actor.
Starting point is 02:16:37 Yeah. My close number two was Ian McKellen and Mr. Holmes, who originated this. And I felt so bad that I was snubbing him, that I gave him putters and murmurs as a consolation prize. A thing that has now
Starting point is 02:16:47 just become an ironclad must address it. That's history. Yep. I track it throughout the year, Griffin. I keep all the lists. I'm trying to think
Starting point is 02:16:55 of some other ones. Okay. Jada Pinkett Smith in The Matrix Resurrection. Yep. She putters. Yep. Rufus Sewell in Old.
Starting point is 02:17:02 Yes. He murmurs. Now, there's not a lot of puttering. No. But he murmurs a lot The fish dad Not the fish dad The human dad in Luca
Starting point is 02:17:12 He's more of a mumbles and grumbles He's a mumbles and grumbles You're right I mean Sean Harris in the Green Knight Murmurs a lot Doesn't really putter, he's stationary Sits and murmurs The puttering is really important
Starting point is 02:17:27 It is It is important You need the physicality of this Yeah Yeah I guess those are the main ones Because if we If we lose sight of the puttering It just becomes
Starting point is 02:17:38 It's like what's happening to the Oscars right now Right It becomes least enunciation You're tarnishing the brand Right Yeah Which is not the spirit of the category. Best Director.
Starting point is 02:17:52 All right. Out to present Best Director, we have Luca Guadagnino, Bong Joon-ho, Steve McQueen, George Miller, and Kelly Reichardt. International smorgasbord. Yeah. And Kelly Reichardt. An international smorgasbord. And Kelly Reichardt. Again, just a group you want to hang with. Like a continental breakfast. Can we stack them tallest to smallest? Because Kelly Reichardt's like an even 4'8".
Starting point is 02:18:14 I feel like Bong is really tall. I feel like there's a good... Bong is weirdly tall. Is Luca Guadagnino tall? Is Luca tall? Yeah. The internet could tell us. Six feet tall!
Starting point is 02:18:26 Alright. Not as tall as me, but you know, whatever. My nominees for Best Director of a Motion Picture are... Yalkum Shrier. Worst person in the world. Did I say his name wrong? No, you got it. I think. Paul Schrader for The Card Counter and another good year
Starting point is 02:18:41 of Facebook posts. All W's on that. All W's. Never taken an L, not once. Jane Campiona for The Power of the Dog, Wes Anderson for The French Dispatch, and Wrigley Scott for The Last Duel. Ridley Wrigley Scott.
Starting point is 02:19:01 Wow, making your ballot. I know. Good for you. It's one of the few times that I feel I've been fully Ridley-pilled as much as I do like a lot of his movies. But this year I was like, that's some fucking directing.
Starting point is 02:19:14 Joe. All right, I made a last minute change. We're all very excited. All right. Wes Anderson in The French Dispatch. Yes! You talked me into it, Griffin. Thank you.
Starting point is 02:19:22 So good job. Thank you. David Lowery for The Green Knight. Jane Campion for The Power of the Dog. Lin-Manuel Miranda for Tick, Tick, Boom. Wow. And Steven Spielberg for West Side Story. David Sims. Jane Campion, Power of the Dog.
Starting point is 02:19:36 Steven Spielberg, West Side Story. Steven Spielberg, West Side Story. I'm just going to nominate five. No, I'm kidding. Joachim Trier, Worst Person in the World. Pitchapong, Weir's Ethical, or Memoria. That's the one I'm tripping over. Yoakum Trier, worst person in the world Pitchapong, weirdest ethical Or Memoria That's the one I'm tripping over And Paul Thomas Anderson for Licorice Pizza
Starting point is 02:19:51 Those are my nominees The blankies nominated Jane Campion, Denis Villeneuve Steven Spielberg Paul Thomas Anderson and David Lowery Villeneuve was the one I bumped off At the last minute That's what the Oscars did.
Starting point is 02:20:05 I'm surprised you bumped him too, David. I'm a straight top five. Almost always. It's very rare for me to bump someone on my top five. And Dune is my... Well, we'll get to it. But it isn't my top ten. I do think that's one of those ones where it's just like, just the undertaking of it all. I appreciate it.
Starting point is 02:20:21 No, it's a wonderful piece of work. He rules. And, you know, nice fun bonus points for trying to stick it to Warner Brothers appreciate it. It's a wonderful piece of work. He rules. Nice fun bonus points for trying to stick it to Warner Brothers as often as he tried to do this year. Very much in his corner on that. I mean, I don't want to even talk about Runners Up because we'll talk about it in Best Picture, I suppose. Lin-Manuel Miranda is my
Starting point is 02:20:37 sort of outlier from the two of y'all and I mostly just feel like... I think that's a great... I mean, we talked about it when I mentioned the screenplay. That is a really, really difficult bit of adaptation like I think that's a great, I mean, we talked about it when, when I mentioned the screenplay, like that is a really, really difficult bit of adaptation. And I think he gives every little part of that movie, just a ton of care and energy and invests in it.
Starting point is 02:20:57 Yeah. Just like everything feels infused with, you know, intent and, and energy. Like it's just a really spectacularly trying to
Starting point is 02:21:08 fussy their way around the conception of cinematic musical numbers and he actually
Starting point is 02:21:15 has some really interesting ideas in that movie he's my runner up for first film Maggie is my winner there
Starting point is 02:21:22 I should have done a first film but yes well we have to do that in the Critics Circle, so I had to think about it. Griff, who's your winner? My winner for Best Director, once again in the name of
Starting point is 02:21:34 spreading the wealth, would be Jane Campion. Jane Campion! Probably going to win the Oscar. My winner is Joachim Trier. Who you got? I got Campion. He's pretty good. He's pretty good at what she does. Yeah. We love her.
Starting point is 02:21:47 Yeah. We just roll straight through to best picture? Yeah. Why not? Okay. I think so. Best picture. I didn't have, I didn't know who we could have done for.
Starting point is 02:22:02 Saul Zanetz. Saul Zanetz. Right. Exactly. Fame producers of yesteryear. Come on, give us some. I mean, all the ones that jump into your head are disgraced and not worth talking about.
Starting point is 02:22:13 So yeah, Saul Zanetz it is. He comes out alone. The ghost of Saul Zanetz. Why am I here? All right. Well, Griffin. I'm just going to do it. I'm just going to say it.
Starting point is 02:22:22 And I waffled on whether or not I could do it, but I'm going to do it. Because if I don't do it. I'm just going to say it and I waffled on whether or not I could do it, but I'm going to do it because if I don't do it, I'm being dishonest. Once again, this position I found myself in several times before. My number 10 movie of the year is F9. Very good. I've got to be honest.
Starting point is 02:22:36 That's fair. Where do I have F9 on my list? I like that movie. We do love the movies. I have it 62nd. Okay, well, actually go fuck yourself. I do really like that movie. No, I know, I know, but I'm just saying, actually, in all earnestness, go fuck yourself. I understand. Number nine, Undine. Number eight, The Card Counter.
Starting point is 02:22:51 Number seven, The Last Duel. Number six, Benedetta. Number five, Tatant. Number four, Pig. Pig. Number three, The Power of the Dog. Number two, The Worst Person in the World. Number one, The French Dispatch.
Starting point is 02:23:08 That's your movie. That's my movie, baby. Very good. Good number. Yeah. Numbers. Good numbers. Good numbers, Griffin.
Starting point is 02:23:14 Thank you. Very good. Good job with the numbers. Thank you. All right. Mine are number 10, The Green Knight. Number nine is Flea. Number eight is Pig.
Starting point is 02:23:23 Number seven is Tick, six is petite maman five is four is red rocket three is shiva baby two is west side story and number one is the power of the dog wow far far the blankies i should shout them out of course had i'll go 10 to 1 worst person at 10 pig at 9 last duel 8 matrix at 7 drive my car at 6 green knight at 5 west side story 4 dune at 3 power the dog 2 licorice pizza was their best picture mine are number 10 the card counter number 9 dune number 8 the matrix resurrections number 7 the green knight number 6 drive my car number 5 west side story number Dune. Number eight, The Matrix Resurrection. Number seven, The Green Knight. Number six, Drive My Car. Number five, West Side Story. Number four,
Starting point is 02:24:10 Power of the Dog. Number three, Memoria. Number two, Licorice Pizza. Number one, the worst person in the world with a bullet. Wow. Yeah, I know. Yeah. I mean, my list has been up all year. Everyone knows what my topic is. But I do love to update it. That's what I love to do.
Starting point is 02:24:26 Constantly update lists. Constant influx. Yeah, I mean, I've kept my Letterboxd list unranked all year, which is fun because once every two weeks, someone will go, is this ranked? Yeah. Furious that The Little Thing still seems to be my number one movie of 2021.
Starting point is 02:24:40 It would be a hot take. It would be. That's why they're just like, what is the argument here? Letterboxd covers and letters? No, that's more of a Snivels and I don't know
Starting point is 02:24:48 Yeah After Yang Again, coming out next year Oh That's a movie where Every actor has putters and murders I think that's right I think that's right
Starting point is 02:24:59 Koganada gets it Yeah Yeah Those are What a lovely year for cinemas I think it was a really good year are yeah what a what a lovely year for cinema i think it was a really good year yeah i think it was a very good year i was very happy to have been able to see everything that i did i want i wanted this was my festivaliest year ever actually even though i only uh was able to attend new york in person but i was able to do Sundance and TIFF and New York all together for the first time ever, which was pretty rad.
Starting point is 02:25:29 Yeah, it's a good, I'm happy with my top 10. It was an incredibly competitive top 10. I kept shuffling a lot of things into those last sort of few spots. If French Dispatches kind of knocked me away when I saw it, and it came out fairly early in the season, in September. Yeah, in September, right? But I'd already heard like three months of people being pretty lukewarm on it for festivals. My expectations were lowered, and I
Starting point is 02:25:50 fucking love Wes Anderson, but I'm not a straight simp for him. There are certainly movies of his that I dislike or like to lesser degrees. And this is like, it's a top three movie of his for me. And I think, you know, the more ornate his films become, the more in your face his craft becomes.
Starting point is 02:26:12 Absolutely. I think a lot of people understandably get suffocated by that. But the one complaint I always find very frustrating is when people say, like, his movies aren't about anything. Right. Because I think increasingly, whether successfully or not, he is probing more and more into things. And I also think he is using the artifice
Starting point is 02:26:30 and the sort of style of his movies to comment on these ideas of presentation and authorship and culture and society and all those sorts of things. And French Dispatch
Starting point is 02:26:39 is like such an amazing ode to the idea of authorship in a way, right? Because it's so much about like these three stories, but these three stories are defined by who is telling them their perspective, their perception of this event, this subject, this person,
Starting point is 02:26:57 this art, whatever it is. And, and then the added level to it, the thing that kind of knocks me out about that movie is that like, it is weirdly the entire movie, a eulogy for a guy who has less than five minutes of screen time. Who in so many ways is, like, a very incidental character. Right.
Starting point is 02:27:16 And yet, by the end of the movie, you do feel, for me at least. No, I know what you're saying. This sense of emotional grief for this guy who you didn't really know because the whole point was he was this invisible hand. Right. because the whole point was he was this invisible hand. His life's work was this rich kid who took his fucking father's money and shacked up in this odd town in France and gave a bunch of weird expats the freedom to find subjects that no one else was going to write about. And what he did was just let them do that. And when he died, they buried him in the middle of a field.
Starting point is 02:27:38 They gave him an editor's burial, right? And this is his last testament. No crying, you know, no sentimentality well remember after the 2016 election and there would have been the sort of the immediate reactions whatever and one of the things the sort of rallying points was we got to support the press a free press is going to be like meryl streep's like cecil b demille acceptance speech like ended with this rallying crowd like we have to support a free press it's going to be our first line of defense against whatever is coming and it felt like a lot of people then were maybe like there was you know
Starting point is 02:28:09 people doing their sort of like ode to journalism and the press whatever and i was like this ends up being wes anderson in the wes andersoniest way possible sort of this is what his ode to a well-funded free press ends up being is this very particular, you know, a world that has never quite existed, but in many, in our, you know, in shades of our memories, it sort of did. Which I think is what, the more his films get masked and artifice, the more he's commenting on the idea of why we would want things that were this sort of innate and immaculate and whatever. After mentioned Cam Collins wrote an incredible letterbox review of
Starting point is 02:28:48 Frenchess, Bachelor of the Touch, and a lot of things I like. But for me, the two things that are like just master strokes in that movie are, and there's so many stylistic conceits that the first time I found it overwhelming, could not decipher why he was doing much of what he was doing.
Starting point is 02:29:03 But the, the use of color the second time for me when he decides to pop in because the stories are mostly black and white really kind of unlocked what his interests are there, which is can you find moments of pure transcendent beauty in the world, whether they are the work that someone makes or an experience or a person, the idea of their life, what it's able to inspire or whatever. Those are the kinds of sparks that if you capture as a writer and you're able to communicate to people can actually change the world in some microscopic way, perhaps. Big orange caftan.
Starting point is 02:29:32 Yeah. Right. But the other thing is every one of those stories has the final little coda beat of Bill Murray editing the story. Yes. And the difference between those four and how he approaches those four writers and the idea that he is not a good editor because he has his house style, but that he knows how to nurture these four people and understand what they're trying to do
Starting point is 02:29:49 and get the best out of them. I find that movie unbearably emotional. Do you guys want to make your cases for your number one? I mean, that dog was really powerful. Really powerful. Just in that moment. Really powerful. I loved that movie.
Starting point is 02:30:03 I mean, it's whatever. It's getting all if and i just lathered we just yeah yeah uh um you know quite a quite a film obviously we've talked about west side story um shiva baby is unbearably tense and also incredibly funny red rocket we talked about i mean with i'd be by this by this time in the you know in the podcast we've talked about everything. I didn't really talk about Flea too much, but David, you mentioned it a little bit. It's a really
Starting point is 02:30:29 wonderful little movie. Yeah, I don't know. I like all the movies that I said that are in my list. As always with not just the blankies, but like I am done with 2021 in film. You've had to. I've sort of gone over it.
Starting point is 02:30:45 So you can read my praise of worst person or you can come at me, bro, or whatever. You can text me. Just text me. So what's the best one on 2022 so far? My number one is After Yang so far. Yeah, it's very early. Yeah, let me check here.
Starting point is 02:30:59 My number one is Jackass Forever. Narrowly beating out Blacklight, Hotel Transylvania, Transylvania Transfer Transylvania, Transfermania, Moonfall. I've done my thing where like January
Starting point is 02:31:09 and February is pretty much still 2021 catch up for me. It's mostly catch up for me. The year has just started. Right. The movies I've seen this year have not been
Starting point is 02:31:16 movies of my life. Have you charted? I'm still, I am still uncharted. Will you be seeing the Batman before you go on your cruise? No, right?
Starting point is 02:31:25 I don't think so. I mean, how could you, really? There are a couple ways I could do it, but I'm probably not going to do it. The other thing is, I unfortunately have not yet witnessed the power of Dog. I also have not yet lined up for Dog, but I would like to see it. The Channing Tatum spring is upon us. Bark, bark. Bark, bark. Ben ben do you have any words for us he's picking up the microphone microphone all right we're like two hours it's always long i know and i'm tired i'm tired too i can wrap it up entertaining you've had guests
Starting point is 02:32:00 yes we have had guests uh at my home and we're about to get on a boat so we're gonna go i'm gonna keep it short and sweet this year y'all yeah all right all right i got some i got some original categories of my own that i've been doing again if you're a new listener and somehow made it this far to this fucking shit congratulations anyway here we go all right so normally i start out i have this whole thing where I'm like, what if you remake? And then, you know, it's like with babies, with animals. I'm switching things up this year. Okay.
Starting point is 02:32:32 Right. So I'm changing the conceit. Okay. Okay. Instead of like, what if you redid? What if you just took something out? Oh. Addition by subtraction.
Starting point is 02:32:43 Okay. Correct. So, okay. First up, the comedy in Don't Look Up, too much of too many laughs. I don't know, Ben, though, because Jimmy Kimmel scolded us for nominating these very serious, boring movies like Don't Look Up instead of Spider-Man. The austere, refined, arthouse sensibility of Don't Look Up rather than a populist movie like Spider-Man. Sorry to be so controversial. You're brave. You're brave. I know I am. Thank you. Another thing
Starting point is 02:33:11 I'd love to just have taken out of the film is the excitement of Nightmare Alley. I'm just too excited. Wow. Body blow. Like, I felt my heart just beating at such a fast rate the whole time i was worried for my health yeah you thought you might have to you know is there a doctor
Starting point is 02:33:34 in this movie theater truly yeah okay yeah too much reality and realism in house of gucci yeah House of Gucci. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I was like, is this a documentary? Is this a baritone? What's going on? Yeah. It's wild. It's wild. Just take that old guy out of Dear Evan Hansen. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 02:33:54 What is up with that guy? He's old. How did he just went to a beach? What can I tell you? Just wandered on set or something. Universal had both
Starting point is 02:34:00 of those movies. They could have just cut it in. It would have made the movie work better probably. All right. So moving on, of course, we have each year the Weddies movies. I like to reward the Golden Mop for achieving great moments in moisture, wetness, dampness.
Starting point is 02:34:19 Truly the puppy bowl to our Super Bowl. Really. So films that have soaked the know the best so they've soaked through there's 2021 it's gotten to the floorboards it's yeah yeah yeah and like i also in the years passive pic movies that made me cry and i just decided to zero in on just really one film because i think it just achieved wetness in a lot of different ways. No nominees, just one award. One award. Exactly. And it's licorice
Starting point is 02:34:49 pizza. And it's because they flood a fucker's house. They do flood a fucker's house. And he deserves it and it's entertaining as fuck. And they sell waterbeds. And they sell waterbeds. And they're sweaty and you know. There's a gas crisis. That's a liquid. That is. Interesting because gas crisis yeah that's a liquid that is interesting
Starting point is 02:35:05 because gas crisis leads me to my next new thing oh you know i've also been years to this ben i'm just luxuriating right now i need a little more episode time okay well uh you know in the years past i've also revealed to myself to be somewhat of a dry guy and so I thought why not if I have a wet category why not add a dry category I haven't come up with a better name other than the dries
Starting point is 02:35:35 so I'm open for you know any kind of input on that one and so the golden broom this year goes to West Side Story because the movie is so, so dusty. There's such a delightful way. Mountains of salt? Oh, my God.
Starting point is 02:35:51 Very dry. Salt. Oh, the salt, David. What about... I just want to say... Dune! The movie is like... Motherfuckers!
Starting point is 02:35:57 Dune! Of no moisture planet. It's about spice. And they're surrounded by a different type of granular material. I had Dune on here. Look, see? You can see I crossed it out. Okay, you can cross it out.
Starting point is 02:36:09 Okay, so there is proof. It's too obvious. And also because I just, I think, Wes, I would have enjoyed to sweep the set of West Side Story. You know what I'm saying? Dune feels unsweepable. I would love to have a golden broom to sweep up that set. I can tell you an anecdote that Spielberg revealed
Starting point is 02:36:26 on the DGA podcast, which is Janusz Kaminski, the cinematographer, kept adding puddles to the set because he loves lights bouncing out of a puddle and all that. And the producer would be like, you can't do this. You're going to hurt someone. One of these dancers
Starting point is 02:36:41 is going to slip in the puddles. And they kept drying his puddles up. Like, Anush was basically like, come on, I want a swimming pool of water out there. Anyway, so wet and dry. That's amazing. That's incredible. Wow. And then the classic category, um, no
Starting point is 02:36:58 thank you. Um, no thank you. Now again, so nothing's being replaced with fruit or babies or anything? No, no, no. It was subbed out. I know. I know. I just kind of shouldn't think so. There'll be an outcry.
Starting point is 02:37:07 There will be. There'll be an outcry. There will be an outcry. I'm sure there will be. There will be an outcry. There will be. There will be pushback. Guillermo del Toro's going to complain.
Starting point is 02:37:14 This is not the right year to do this. Cinema's still recovering. I get the body blow to me, but why do this? Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. So, the um, no thank yous is pretty self-explanatory and again i'm sorry i uh you know i nominate multiple movies normally but there's really just one winner oh i don't think this should come as a surprise but just in case i don't know i'll
Starting point is 02:37:39 just come right out and just say a big old um no thank you to being the Ricardos that shit looks miserable and awful and just not entertaining in the least bit whatsoever I could not couldn't pay me to do it I you would have to chain me down just to explain to people who don't know I'm no thank yous are movies Ben refuses to watch no thank
Starting point is 02:38:02 you don't need it any other I'm no thank yous or is that the winner and then of course i just have a couple of honorable mentions so first of all another new kind of just thing uh that i might start up we'll see how it goes if i want to keep doing this uh anyway i'm starting off with the i'm sorrys and the i'm sorry is i really i'm sorry to the father that movie fucked me up I was so negative on it. I was like, this is an old guy and it seems like it's about senility and it seems really depressing. I watched it on a plane. I cried
Starting point is 02:38:31 my fucking life away. It's an incredible film. Okay, now just for perspective, I do want to remind people that you did also cry your eyes out on a plane at the opening scene of Paw Patrol the movie, a film you did not have headphones on for and were watching over the shoulder of the person sitting in front of you. That is correct.
Starting point is 02:38:49 A scene in which a car swerves out of the way to not hit a dog on a bridge. That sounds good. But then the car is hanging down off the bridge and the dog saves the car. And they save the guy because he's a good guy. Obviously, he swerved out of the way to not hit the... Alright, we can't get into this
Starting point is 02:39:06 Ben's crying that's the real power of the dog that is the real power of the dog bark bark okay best pig goes to pig of course what a good pig no offense to pig your cat no I know sorry pig you always are
Starting point is 02:39:22 in my heart best mullet goes to Matt Damon in the last duel absolutely fucking killer haircut unbelievable killer the hair work in that haircuts that goes bad all the way around like a horseshoe haircut yeah it's amazing all right and then lastly I just want to say
Starting point is 02:39:38 honorable mention of historical psychedelia to Green Knight because I think that's just like a really interesting thing I've never seen before. And I'm like, I wanted to grab Coleridge and just read some fucking Kublai Khan-ass shit
Starting point is 02:39:53 after seeing that movie. I love it. Anyway, that's me. Ben Hosley on Blank Check. 7th Annual Blanky Awards. My original categories. We did it, guys. It's the end of the episode. Take us away. Well, you know,
Starting point is 02:40:09 people are still reeling from the shock that we repositioned and restructured the entire ceremony to build up to movie I would replace with dogs or babies. Right, of course. Animals or babies or fruit. Whatever the category was. I'm just saying we restructured the entire ceremony to build up to that as the final award because we thought that was going to be the most emotional point of the night.
Starting point is 02:40:32 Of course. And unfortunately, now there's no winner. And then Anthony Hopkins won Best Actor instead. Right. So Joaquin Phoenix is kind of just standing on stage patting his legs and we're going to whip him over to Questlove who now has to by default act like the host and go thank you for tuning in to the crazy insane thing that happened. 2022
Starting point is 02:40:51 7th annual Blankie Awards. Thank you all for listening. Thank you to Joe Reed. Thanks for having me once again. I don't know. This had Oscar buzz. Yeah, this had Oscar buzz. Come listen to my co-host Chris Feil and I talk about movies that were positioned for Oscars in one way or another and didn't make it.
Starting point is 02:41:09 We are on Twitter at had underscore Oscar underscore buzz. By the time you listen to this, our latest episode on Margaret will be a few weeks old, but go listen to that one. One of my favorite movies, a best of the decade. One of my favorite episodes that we've done. I can't wait to listen. Love people talking. Margaret, Dave, and I have both been on the show yes uh i did an episode on jude law's
Starting point is 02:41:29 alfie i know we'll have to have each of you two a's two 2004 a's yes alexander and alfie or maybe 2005 when yeah when will they combine the two of them yeah yeah so check that out thank you all for listening please remember to rate review and subscribe thank you to marie. Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe. Thank you to Marie Barty, voice of the Blankies, much like Peter Coyote, the Donald Sutherland of this podcast. And for our social media. And for building
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Starting point is 02:42:00 to merch and Reddit and Discord and Patreon and all these other things and speaking of on the blank check patreon we're doing the matrix commentaries we've gone back to the matrix aforementioned uh last two get kooky just be warned i mean guys we talked about racial resurrections a lot already yes so that the commentary is it's why if you like very tangential that's almost an oops all lunch order like it's's not but it has that energy. We're pretty locked in
Starting point is 02:42:25 for Reloaded and Revolution. I think Reloaded is exactly what you all want out of this episode. It's David going hard into lore. I'm trying. You're in the pain.
Starting point is 02:42:33 But yes, Resurrections is chaos. And keep going for March Madness both on our Patreon for franchises and main feed for who will be
Starting point is 02:42:43 the winner of the 20th century bracket. Tune next week for the winner of the 20th century bracket. Tune next week for the start of our next mini-series, Podcast Me to Hell. We've already announced it.
Starting point is 02:42:52 We have. Get out of here. Oh, that's fun. So next week, a nice classic guest-less episode of The Evil Dead. That's right, baby.
Starting point is 02:42:59 Experience. Good movie. Yeah, here's the thing about that movie that I really like. The filmmaking. Yeah. It's very good. Raimi's already fun.
Starting point is 02:43:09 We've done a handful of them and it's just fun to watch those movies. It's easy. Especially the early ones. You're just like, what energy this guy's got. And as always, Joe, you do have some explaining to do about that Nicole Kidman nomination.
Starting point is 02:43:26 Uh, wah. I'm Marie Barty and this has been the 7th Annual Blank Check Awards. With music by the Alex Barron Orchestra. Illustrations and graphics created by Joe Bowen and Pat Reynolds. Produced by A.J. McKeon.
Starting point is 02:43:46 Executively produced by Ben. Promotional consideration for the blankies provided by Chipcoin, the official currency of the moon. The Lumiere Brothers Factory. Walking out of work, walking into film history. Water. Did you remember to drink some today? Dan Lewis's shackack of Subs. He retired from acting. He's making sandwiches now.
Starting point is 02:44:09 Bronco Henry. Radio Shack. Fran Magazine. Votes for the 7th Annual Blank Check Awards were tabulated and certified by the accounting firm of Fernst & Young. Special thanks to Jack Reed, Party Blue Jay, and the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Blankies for their contributions so we're up to H-A-P-P-Y on the
Starting point is 02:44:36 birthday sign do we want to run through some screenplays quickly before we get to the lead actors I also just want to say I've been recording for an hour and 20 minutes screenplays quickly before we get to the lead actors? Yeah. I also just want to say, I've been recording for an hour and 20 minutes. So I think we should maybe... We're going to speed it up. We're just talking about speed.
Starting point is 02:44:52 I'm not mad. I'm just saying. You sound mad. You sound furious. Be honest. I'm mad. Okay. Very mad.
Starting point is 02:44:59 I'm just going to say my screenplays very quickly. Yeah, the screenplays are always quicker.

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