Blank Check with Griffin & David - The Third Annual Blank Check Awards with Joe Reid

Episode Date: February 4, 2018

Griffin and David welcome back Joe Reid (The Decider) for the 3rd annual Blankie Awards where together they present their own personal nominations and winners for the upcoming 90th Academy Awards. Thi...s roundtable discussion looks at all the major categories, as well as, references deep cut cinema from 2017 you may have missed. Also includes original categories and reports from the Burger Reportâ„¢ hotline (802-8-BURGER). This episode is sponsored by Stamps.com.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 blank check with griffin and david blank check with griffin and david don't know what to say or to expect all you need to know is that the name of the show is blank check oh it's a wonderful night for blankies, blankies, blankies. Who will win? Is that it? You done? Hello, I'm Billy Crystal. I thought you were going to do that, weirdly. I saw that in my mind's eye.
Starting point is 00:00:38 Yeah, I debated writing a full fucking song. A song, right. But then I realized I would only have my nominees vetted. Yeah, that's why you didn't do it. That's the only reason I didn't do it. Remember that time
Starting point is 00:00:48 I wrote one-eighth of a rap for a burger report? It was great. I got very ambitious and then in a weird turn of events could not take it to the finish line.
Starting point is 00:00:56 Hello everybody, my name's Griffin Newman and I never take it to the finish line. I'm David Sims. I'm the Steve Martin to your Alec Baldwin. I mean,
Starting point is 00:01:04 you're Billy Crystal and you're Alec Baldwin, maybe. Yeah'm the Steve Martin to your Alec Baldwin. I mean, you're Billy Crystal. And you're Alec Baldwin, maybe. Yeah, yeah. Martin and Crystal. I'm the... I guess I'm the Franco to your Hathaway. Oh, boy. I can't bring him up, though.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Shit. God. All right, anyway. Off to a great start. This could be a fun episode. What a wonderful year for Hollywood. Hollywood, Hollywoodwood hollywood billy stop putting on black face oh no yeah god uh he did that very recently 2012 yeah too too recently yeah uh sammy davis jr you know what else he did uh the katrina jazz man yeah you know what else he did in that oscar
Starting point is 00:01:43 ceremony though he did tintin face do you remember that else he did in that Oscar ceremony, though? He did Tintin Face. Do you remember that? Yes, he did. In outrage to all Belgians. To all cartoon Belgians. Eight-year-old man at the time? He was the emergency, like, oh shit. Yes.
Starting point is 00:01:55 It was Eddie Murphy and Ratner. Yeah, Brett Ratner's a scumbag, and Eddie Murphy went down with that ship. What a stunning turn of events. That Brett Ratner would turn out to be a scumbag? Yeah, especially eight years after we found out he was a scumbag. Which was eight years after everyone... I just showed him the Billy Crystal as Tintin. It is...
Starting point is 00:02:14 I had forgotten that. People complain about Tintin unfairly for hitting the Uncanny Valley, which I think the movie stylized enough that it doesn't rub against it. Sure, we talked about it on our Tintin episode. But talk about Uncanny Valley. That's literally a real human being in a wig. And it is the most... It activates all the same receptors in your brain
Starting point is 00:02:30 that go off when you see her rub it. It is... It's weird. It's a little weird. Tintin face. Well, Ben, remind me to ask Pat Reynolds to Photoshop Billy Crystal as Tintin
Starting point is 00:02:46 into the artwork for this episode. Great. I'm making a note of it. Cool. Thank you, Producer Ben, aka the Ben Ducer, aka the Poet Laureate, aka the Haas, aka Mr. Positive, aka Soak and Wet Benny, aka White Hot Benny, aka Dirt Bike Benny, aka the Meat Lover, aka the Fart Detective, aka the Poet Laureate, aka the Hello Fennel. What was the one you said, Joe?
Starting point is 00:03:03 Uh. Oh, I did say something in the email I'll find the email the Booker the Booker the Booker the Booker
Starting point is 00:03:09 the Booker's a good one he books us time slots he does that's his job don't you forget it he's also the voice of reason he's our finest film critic now this is one
Starting point is 00:03:18 that's going to come in to play a lot I think today what's that he's a close personal friend of Dan Lewis that is that's going to be relevant this year.
Starting point is 00:03:25 That's going to be very relevant this year. And perhaps the tiebreaker. We'll see. Yeah. If you need my services, I'm here to help. But Dan, I mean, Dan knocked it out of the park. He did. Oh, you've seen the movie? Yeah. We'll talk about it a lot. He sewed it out of the park.
Starting point is 00:03:40 Sewed it out of the... Hem? Griffin, do you think I could take a shot at the graduated to certain titles please because I feel like I listened to enough of this
Starting point is 00:03:51 because I'll say this I've been struggling recently with doing them and getting them in the right order I don't think I've gotten all of them in the right order but I feel like
Starting point is 00:03:58 I'll give it a shot producer Ben Kenobi Kylo Ben Ben Night Shyamalan Ben Sate. Righto. Say Benny thing. Correct.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Ailey Benz with a dollar sign. That's right. 100%. Yeah. Oh. The Spielberg name is next. Yeah. Oh, Warhawks.
Starting point is 00:04:16 Warhawks, I remember. No, I was trying to think of the Bigelow one and I skipped right past. Something the Fennel Maker. Ben 19, the Fennel Maker. That's right. And I don't know what your Verhoeven's gonna be. Well, we're in the middle of Verhoeven, and i don't know what your well the hoven's well
Starting point is 00:04:26 we're in the middle of our hoven so we don't know that's a spoiler but you missed nolan in between oh that's right that's right wait what was nolan was uh purdue urbane that's right yeah great job even though some people wanted to be haz al ghul i was on board for uh for osama bin laden that's dead in the ground. Osama bin Hazli. All right. There were variations. That was one of the things. Look, the only reason.
Starting point is 00:04:49 You couldn't decide on one. That was the only reason. Some people wanted bin Hazli. Some people wanted bin Laden. Some people wanted Osama. We talked about it. And I get it. It sort of works, right?
Starting point is 00:05:00 It fits in nicely. But I'm not going to be associated with this leader of a terrorist group. The demands on this guy have really stepped up since you guys have gotten into the fancy studio. A hundred percent. I won't be called Osama Bin Laden. I know.
Starting point is 00:05:17 That's just a simple request, Joe. Diva voice. Is that Mariah Carey's rider that you can't refer to her as Osama Bin Laden? Yeah, that's probably true. It's like only green M&Ms and no referring to me as Osama Bin Laden. This, of course, is our award show episode.
Starting point is 00:05:35 The Blankie Awards. Your miniseries on the films of Mariah Carey. Yes. Our dear friend, three-time guest. We bring him in every year. That's right. He's a big award head like the two of us.
Starting point is 00:05:46 That's right. Sure am. Know him from Decider.com, ladies and gentlemen, Joe Reed. Thank you, guys. AKA Reading Rain Joe. That's right. Of all the weird Joe-based nicknames, I've never had that one, so thank you. It's the sweatiest of all nicknames.
Starting point is 00:05:59 It is the sweatiest of all nicknames. It flips your name backwards. It sure does. It's not not sweaty. It's not not sweaty. It flips your name backwards. It's not not sweaty. It's not not sweaty.
Starting point is 00:06:07 And this is our church where we pick the finest of the year. If we picked the winners. Remember when Siskel and Ebert used to have that special? Love. If we picked the winners, I watched that every year.
Starting point is 00:06:14 One of those things, when I cannot fall asleep at night, I will pull those up and watch them. That's true. They're great. I really like them. Do you think Siskel would have bought all those Twitter followers?
Starting point is 00:06:23 Topical references. Topical references. We're actually recording an episode that's coming out the next week! You can talk about the news. It's so rare for us. Only episode we've recorded in four or five months that will come out within a week. Guys, what about
Starting point is 00:06:36 that government shutdown, though? That's amazing. Insane. What else is going on? Greatest Showman's killing it, as we were saying off mic. Frigid weather outdoors. I don't know about you. Very cold snap has hit New York again. I can't wait for that episode we recorded months ago that still hasn't come out
Starting point is 00:06:51 where I believe that Flynn's testimony is going to have Trump impeached by the time the episode comes out. Oh, boy. Hey, you never know. Still hasn't come out. Still hasn't come out. A lot of big things going on in the news. You hear about this?
Starting point is 00:07:04 You read about this? Oscar Fever has got this town by the throat. We always record this episode after the noms, and the noms are out. Yes, so now we can be contrary. Sure. To a point. I feel like I want to ask you guys this.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Now that we have, because we're dudes who have all for years, if not decades, made our own lists in every category I remember doing this for sure at least you know middle school yeah I've done this for as long as I've had a computer yeah I think I've done this for 15 years now I still have old notebooks that I'll find that have just like lists
Starting point is 00:07:38 I would go through oh yes you know what I would do this is a little this is too dorky I would buy those the Leonard Malton books and i would literally like write down i would page through it and write down every movie i had seen that's interesting because that's too much free time i thought you were gonna do the opposite it makes more sense to write down the list of the things you hadn't seen so you had a list across well that's a long list yeah those books are dense yes yeah um but but we all have been doing this for a
Starting point is 00:08:03 long time but now now we have a platform. Yes. A platform that has grown. That's true. When we started doing this. That's true. And I wonder how much you guys feel, because it's certainly a thing that comes into my mind about, like, when I'm on the edge, you know, I have, like, I'm down to my seven contenders for my five slots. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:21 contenders for my five slots. How much I feel like, well, if this person got an Oscar nomination, unless I feel so strongly for them, I might let them fall by the wayside because I feel like it's more important to represent the things that I feel like aren't getting attention anywhere else. If I'm going to be talking to other people
Starting point is 00:08:38 about it, I'm not going to want to be the 15th person to talk about X contender or something like that. Right, because I feel like there's some things that people are going to be like, I can't believe he left this off his list. And it's like doesn't mean it's not good. It was either 7 or 12 on my list. Right. But I maybe vote to fight for my
Starting point is 00:08:54 guys, as you say. And if Mrs. McDormand ever asks me, I'll just lie to her and say she was on my list. Who are your guys? Oh boy, well that's the fun of this year. We finally get to lock the gates on our picks what if Maren hosted the Oscars you'd be good
Starting point is 00:09:10 should I get a gate in here that I can close and open when we call it up that would be fun it also is like a weird year as we said because it's like the year of Hollywood's reckoning yes where people are now having to acknowledge a weird year as we said because it's like uh uh the year of hollywood's reckoning yes yeah uh you
Starting point is 00:09:26 know where people are now having to like acknowledge what's been terrible about this industry and humanity forever um but it's like we've seen like a lot of candidates from like six months ago now become like fucking persona non grata yeah sure and it certainly like weighs into like all these things and then I even like putting together my list not to turn this into a conversation because I certainly
Starting point is 00:09:49 don't want to talk about this. Right. But like putting people on my list and being like that's one of the best performances I saw this year. I've heard rumors
Starting point is 00:09:57 about this person. Oh boy. You know and it's like rumors that aren't public yet and they're pretty unsubstantiated and I've only heard one and it's like Alright, alright, alright. I'm cutting pretty unsubstantiated and I've only heard one.
Starting point is 00:10:07 That kind of stuff is like fucking it all weighs on you. You don't want to be on the record. I don't want to get sued. No, I'm not going to get into it. That's all I'm saying. I know, off mic. That stuff comes in. You can say anything you want.
Starting point is 00:10:14 I'm just talking about all the deliberation process that goes into picking. Hey Griff, just like write it on this piece of paper for me. Sure. Just like let me see it. Yeah. Okay. No.
Starting point is 00:10:23 What? Oh. In big words I, the boss baby. Big words, big letters. That was almost a fucking three-point shot. Big words. Big words. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:10:37 Fucking awful. But then it also, it gets into this thing of like, I don't know. I'll sing. Sing your song again. Stop talking about this shit. I'm cutting you off. I'm cutting you off. My rubric I use this year, I tried to apply in every category.
Starting point is 00:10:50 My phone keeps on falling down. That's your phone. My rubric I keep on trying to apply to every category is, don't intellectualize it. Just pick the five things that hit you the hardest. Sure.
Starting point is 00:11:01 So that's where I was coming at from everything. I already asked this question and summed it up better. What is it a wonderful night for blankets? That but also who
Starting point is 00:11:10 are your guys? Who are my guys? Yes. Okay. Joe how are you doing? I'm doing pretty good. Nice to have you. Thinking about my guys.
Starting point is 00:11:16 So as always going into that I think we should start off with my favorite category and often the first category of the night start with best supporting actor.
Starting point is 00:11:24 Sure that is usually what we start with. But i want to introduce one wrinkle before we crack usually what the oscars start with this yes yes by the way this is blank check it's a podcast about filmography directors who give massive success thank you two friends competitive advantage sometimes they clear and sometimes they bounce baby um it is a competitive and we're constantly content uh the one more wrinkle i want to add in are redditors who have become wild no they're wild they're almost up to a thousand did you see that a thousand queer mans yeah um they should maybe change that maybe yeah uh they uh had been two threads have been running strong one is their own picks for the blankies
Starting point is 00:12:02 uh yeah which is great and the other one was their their choices or their predictions for what you guys everyone in the thread is there an awards daily for the blank not yet okay but we do have a wiki yes which is crazy there's the blank hyphen check.wikia.com uh everyone which has your picks on it really they have tables with the prior blankankie Awards. Whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The dream.
Starting point is 00:12:28 I'm living the dream right now. There's a Joe Reed page. Everyone in this thread, this phantom thread, picked their five in each category. Yeah. And then a Reddit user, I Laugh Alone, who we've invoked a lot, who's our original Blankorekan.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Right? Is that his name? No, I don't know if I should say his real name on the show. Maybe we bleeped that out. I don't know. Well, I mean, he's on Twitter. I don't know. Isn't he? Yeah, I just feel like we've had issues in the past. Fair enough. Anyway. Anyway! Anyway. Anyway. Anyway. Maybe we cut
Starting point is 00:12:57 all of that out, and maybe I'm not saying what I'm saying right now. Reddit user, I Laugh Alone, the original Blankorekan, did us a kindness and compiled the stats from all the blankies. So he came up with the definitive nominees for each category. So after we each read our nominees, I'm going to read what the aggregate was. This is good. The other thing they've done, which I will say for the end of the episode.
Starting point is 00:13:20 Okay. Wait, how does he know? Is he giving you this later? What do you mean? Okay. How does he know the aggregate of our nominees as of no as of their nominees oh okay okay i see now all the redditors now they're five he aggregated picked the five consensus choices okay fine you do a preferential ballot i don't know what he did i don't know what he did everything in the piles the second thing they did which i'll say for the end of the episode, is they created a new set
Starting point is 00:13:45 of awards called the Bennys that are sort of superlatives outside of regular categories that mirror Ben's nickname. So we'll save that for the real award. This is going to be a long episode.
Starting point is 00:13:55 This is going to be a five-hour episode. Ladies and gentlemen, our first category tonight is Best Supporting Actor. Who won our Best Supporting Actress last year?
Starting point is 00:14:04 My Best Supporting Actress last year was My Best Supporting Actress last year was Lily Gladstone for Certain Women. Mine was Kate McKinnon for Ghostbusters. Mine might have been Greta Gerwig for 20th Century Women. I think that's correct. So they're now presenting together. Okay.
Starting point is 00:14:17 Hello, everybody. The Best Supporting Actor. And Griff's nominees are... Okay. This is the toughest one. Oh, jeez You're leading off And you're like
Starting point is 00:14:26 Oh boy I don't know Fuck I hate that I'm gonna have to I'm gonna do it Okay ready Griff's nominees are Sure And this is Kate McKinnon
Starting point is 00:14:35 Announcing them Ghostbusters Griff's nominees are Patrick Stewart and Logan Sure You've praised him before Angus McFadden in The Lost City of Z
Starting point is 00:14:47 interesting it's a very good performance Willem da Friend of Good Cinema for The Florida Project Willem da Friend of Mooney Ricky Jenks
Starting point is 00:15:02 for The Shape of Water and then balancing on the edge of a coin here Mickey Stuhlbarg for Call Me By Your Name. Those are my five. Greta Gerwig takes to the mic. So, alright, my supporting actor nominees
Starting point is 00:15:21 in alphabetical order as is dictated by the rules. Agreed. Willem Dafoe in The Florida Project. Alright, this is a twofer from the same movie. Okay. Lucas Hedges from Lady Bird. Tracy Letts
Starting point is 00:15:35 from Lady Bird. Really strong choice. Tracy Letts gets that little like parentheses also the post. You can't give him supporting for The Lovers. He's also very good in The Lovers. Jason Mitchell for Mudbound. And Michael Stuhlbarg Also The Post. Also. You can't give him supporting for The Lovers. The Lovers is elite. He's also very good on The Lovers. He is. Jason Mitchell for Mudbound. And Michael Stuhlbarg
Starting point is 00:15:49 for Call Me By Your Name. And now Lily Gladstone steps up to the mic. In a quiet and reserved but still like deeply powerful
Starting point is 00:15:57 announcement. Yeah. Nominees for Best Supporting Actor. I guess I'll do it in I'm not going to do an alphabetic order because I feel like it's more fun to say the obvious ones first
Starting point is 00:16:06 Willem Dafoe in The Florida Project Michael Stuhlbarg in Call Me By Your Name Jason Mitchell in Mudbound Adam Driver in Star Wars The Last Jedi and Michael Cera in Molly's Game I love all of those I do too
Starting point is 00:16:21 I'm keeping some guys out who did great work like Jenkins who I love all of those, David. I do too. Those are my picks. Now, I'm glad that- Now, I'm keeping some guys out who did great work, like Jenkins and stuff, who I love. Yeah. I'm glad I calculated correctly, because I felt bad about leaving both Driver and Sarah on, but I had a feeling you were going to cover both. You felt right. Sarah also just had a strong fucking year in general. Sure. I mean, he was in Twin Peaks.
Starting point is 00:16:42 What else was he in? He's so good in the lego batman correct great he can't even get really the standout of like not to jump the gun but my favorite voice over performance of the year so wonderful very good and lemon as well i don't know if you saw lemon no i haven't seen lemon but it's on my catch-up list emily ashita was a big fan of lemon she was telling me to watch it's in my pile of magnolia screeners yeah that i have that like and it's just that's the pile that that comes with a rubber band around it. And it's so like...
Starting point is 00:17:07 It's no frill, so it's just like... It's the disc in a little envelope, so there's no cover. There's no nothing, so you don't know... If you don't know anything about these movies offhand, you don't know what they are. He was also good in Person to Person, which is a little indie movie I saw this year that I enjoyed. He did, and he's got some stuff coming up next year that's exciting.
Starting point is 00:17:23 So I'm sort of happy to have Sarah back. But he's such a good sleaze in Molly's Game. I think, well, I guess we're starting with this. I'm just happy for him to be doing, like, you know, the legacy of Michael Cera is he has this year where he blows up and represents this thing, and almost immediately the knives come out. Right, and he's fleeing. He's like, I don't want any part of this.
Starting point is 00:17:42 He openly, like, he kind of, like, finished out his, like like dance card of the movie she signed up right after supernova's and uh youth and revolts scott pilgrim was the last of those i think one of the reasons scott pilgrim flopped upon release was that this backlash was in full effect yeah and then kind of backed off and has been doing you know a couple sebastian silva movies some voiceover but not doing much and it feels like this is the year especially mo's Game, for him to be in a larger film. I want him back. He's such a fucking good actor. This is my argument for him in Molly's Game too
Starting point is 00:18:10 because I think he has a great perspective on stardom that makes, like, because he's playing, he's supposedly playing Tobey Maguire or some sort of composite with a lot of Tobey Maguire in it. Sure. He's playing Celebrity X or whatever he's called. Player X. Player X, that's it very smart casting uh and rather than play the guy as like you know someone who's like full he plays it like someone like who like loves to see people on a knife edge in front
Starting point is 00:18:36 of him and is like manipulative but like enjoys just sort of the thrill of someone being like debased for his pleasure yes which is not not to defame here but the accounts of someone being like debased for his pleasure. Yes, which is not to defame here, but the accounts of Tobey Maguire, that was what was kind of fascinating about him above all the other famos who were part of the Molly's Game. He didn't want the money. He didn't even really
Starting point is 00:18:57 need to win. He needed to be in control. He wanted to break people. But also that he used his vulnerability. That he had this puppy dog gentle quality. This fragility, as Eddie Redmayne would say, that he used his vulnerability. That he had this puppy dog gentle quality. This fragility as Eddie Redmayne would say. That he used to lure people in and slam them down. Threatening on the surface.
Starting point is 00:19:13 I'm going to keep us moving because we do have a lot of nominees. Adam Driver, I've talked about that performance a lot in the past. How much I loved it. For me, he got edged out only because I couldn't decide whether placement or leader supporting. I think he's the supporting part. I think that works. I think he's the supporting part. I think the lead... I think that works. I think that's fair.
Starting point is 00:19:27 Yeah. He's, you know, he doesn't quite have his own storyline in them. You know, like, the storylines belong to John Boyega and Daisy Ridley, and, honestly, to a lesser extent, Oscar Isaac.
Starting point is 00:19:38 Like, the three storylines. Yeah. And he will sort of butt into Daisy Ridley, but you don't go to him. It's a very ensemble-y movie. It is. It's so fragmented in terms of narrative. I don't know if anyone really has a lead amount of screen time. Let's talk about... I can imagine Daisy Ridley. It's a very ensemble-y movie. It's so fragmented in terms of narrative. I don't know if anyone really has a lead amount of screen time.
Starting point is 00:19:48 I can imagine Daisy Ridley does, but maybe not. I'd be interested to see that, like some kind of breakdown. Let's talk about the two guys that were on all three of our lists. The only two. Defoe and Stolberg, I'm assuming? Dads on dads. I mean, Stolberg just has the MVP award
Starting point is 00:20:03 for this year. You mean just quantity, like consistent work in many movies. Right. I mean Stahlberg just has the MVP award for this year You mean just quantity like consistent work in many movies Right I mean the other guys who fall into that Sarah as we've mentioned I think also
Starting point is 00:20:12 Caleb Landry Jones who's a little more divisive in terms of how effective he is in those movies I think he's great I like him a lot I like him in Get Out I think he's really
Starting point is 00:20:20 fucking good in American Made Oh I haven't seen American Made In American Made he's playing to, the Ben Foster role where, have you guys seen Hostiles? No. Parts of Hostiles. So there's this part in Hostiles where
Starting point is 00:20:32 they get to a camp and Christian Bale's leading his regiment and the guy's like, oh, how you doing? Could you take this prisoner to the next town? And he brings out Ben Foster. This is all I need to hear to never see this movie. You're screaming, you're like, don't take Ben Foster. Bad idea.
Starting point is 00:20:47 That guy's going to go crazy. And Caleb Laundrie Jones has that same, I'm going to call him that from now on. Sure. He has that same, where he shows up and you're like, no, he's trouble. Take him out back and shoot him.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Tom Cruise, do not involve him in your business. He's like wearing a Metallica t-shirt with the sleeves cut off or something. Just look at him. You know he's bad news. He could play Ben Hosley in Ben the Ben Hosley. He could 100%. I will say this. Really? Well, he's... Watch American Maiden. He's a red-headed guy.
Starting point is 00:21:15 He's a little rangy. And he's more pale and freckly than you. And he's got kind of crazy eyes. He's just one of those, you just don't know what he's going to do next. He would actually be my casting choice. I think he'd win the Oscar. It would revolve some reaching. I don't think he's ever shown the warmth and integrity of character that you have.
Starting point is 00:21:31 I think he did a little bit in The Florida Project. Close. You know, it would have to be a sort of Sean Penn in Milk for him to be able to pull you off. And they get him in and out of The Florida Project with like extreme swiftness. I think his part in The Florida Project... He doesn't have enough time to creep you out. His part in that movie is just like to remind you that Willem Dafoe is not
Starting point is 00:21:50 like stuck here. Right. Like he, he has another life he could leave. Right. I'll just say this one note about, uh, an actor.
Starting point is 00:21:58 We have not nominated Caleb laundry bag in American made. Um, because it is, it's a hammy performance. But I also think, I went up for that role. Oh, did you? And that role is like 75% invented by him. Not that I would change the dialogue,
Starting point is 00:22:15 but how the character was... So this is a behind-the-scenes pick. It's a little biased in that sense, but in terms of how the role was written and how the real guy was, I think he turned it into something a lot more interesting. But anyway, we didn't nominate him. He's just fucking
Starting point is 00:22:27 solid as a rock. A picture of decency. You wouldn't always say that about a Willem Dafoe character, which is what also makes me so impressed by it. Talked a lot about how hard it is to play decent people. He's the last guy you expect to be able to do it that well. But he's not like sad decent. You don't ever
Starting point is 00:22:43 really feel bad for the character. You're just sort of like, oh, I'm glad he's here. I. But he's not like sad decent. You don't ever just, you don't really feel bad for the character. You're just sort of like, oh, I'm glad he's here. I'm glad he's, I'm glad he's around. You're always glad that he's on screen. And he's an audience surrogate in the best way where he's not someone I'm supposed to glom onto,
Starting point is 00:22:56 but more someone where I'm like, oh, there are more perspectives going on here. Because you're watching the movie for the first 20 minutes and you're like, this girl is running wild. Like, I love it, but like, what the fuck is this? He's the heart watching the movie for the first 20 minutes and you're like, this girl is running wild. I love it, but what the fuck is this? He's the heart of the movie.
Starting point is 00:23:08 As much of a cliche as it is to say. And it is. It's very difficult, I think, to be that much of an established actor, work with non-professional actors, and not stick out like a sore thumb. In a way, not make them look bad. He's got a lot of Ginger Rogers-ing to do
Starting point is 00:23:24 in that role. The best thing I heard someone say about lot of ginger rogersing to do in that role the best thing i heard someone say about him i forget who it was but after uh seeing the movie at the new york film festival someone said uh the thing that's stunning about it is he's stripped away almost every element of what we associate with being willem dafoe's star persona but still makes himself the most compelling person on screen yeah solberglbarg? I mean, just fucking take it home. It's like a Beatrice Strait performance. I will maybe push back about that a little bit. He's in it more.
Starting point is 00:23:51 And it's not just that one scene. I agree. I like him in the other scenes. In all those other scenes. The scene where he's, there's a scene in the movie where he's going through, because Armie Hammer plays not his student but a student yes who has come to sort of stay with him but also sort of learn from him right and stuhlbarg is going through this like uh slideshow of i love this is my favorite sculptures of like you know
Starting point is 00:24:14 art and they're talking about how erotic it is and how athletic right and stuhlbarg walks this line of and it's this thing he does in that last scene too where it's just like how much does this guy know right it's this plausibly knowing but plausibly completely like plastic and innocent but he's like sort of underlining these points of about like attraction uh in the movie and it's very smartly scripted but i think stool art plays it so well he's such a person in those movies when he could just be like dad yeah and like instead it's a full body character I've seen that movie a lot like there's the scene where he's like
Starting point is 00:24:47 you know what I'm gonna take a swim like things that don't need to be in the movie I love at the end when he's on the phone and they
Starting point is 00:24:54 well should I spoil maybe I won't spoil it I'll say cause only three people in the country have seen it apparently now because Sony Pictures Classics
Starting point is 00:25:02 doesn't have their shit together I compare him to Beatrice Strait only in that he's got that just fucking like finale pocket drop
Starting point is 00:25:11 killer scene like grab you by the heartstrings kind of thing. Breaking news Ben Google image search Caleb Landry Jones and he is not happy. Oh no.
Starting point is 00:25:19 No. It's fine. He'd have to transform himself. He's more methed out than you. Like no question. He's a lot of methed out than you. Like, no question. He's a lot of methed out guys. I like gritty. But like, here, just show more rad.
Starting point is 00:25:30 Yeah, I was going to say, what movie are you looking at him in? Because that also makes a difference. The American Made was the one he summoned. Oh, no. Come on. Look, he's a fucking cool punk dude. He's giving the finger on the red carpet. Like that.
Starting point is 00:25:44 We got gotta add this to the blank pictures alright it's late the thing I was gonna say about him is he's you know he's kind of like
Starting point is 00:25:51 Benicio Del Toro and Sicario where what's beautiful about it is he's kind of just like laying in wait for most of the movie to really kind of pounce
Starting point is 00:25:59 sure but everything he does up until that point is still it's building out you know the scene wouldn't work were he not but then that monologue is the equivalent of you know, like the scene wouldn't work where he not,
Starting point is 00:26:05 you know, but then that monologue is the equivalent of like, and I'm telling you, I'm not going like, it's essentially like a Broadway ballad. It's also just through dialogue. It is such a feat in any movie, even like an arty indie movie to demand silence from your audience and your
Starting point is 00:26:19 movie for you to talk. Yeah. Because the longer you do it, the more people are like this seems fake like you know he's talking too long this is fake it's a monologue i'm gonna play you know what i mean and he doesn't ever uh let that happen and if you look at the can't believe he wasn't number eight for us i know it's so stupid if you look i i think it's a tough category i mean no questions very stacked still and i and i think the hammer category placement fucked him. Well, yes.
Starting point is 00:26:45 Yeah. But if you look at the written monologue in the script, it's a lot shorter than you think it is. In terms of what's actually being said because it's not just dramatic pauses for the sake of dramatic pauses. He plays so well, a man considering every word carefully. Yeah. Which takes time. But he earns it. I read that book after it had premiered at Sundance.
Starting point is 00:27:12 I didn't see it at Sundance. I wasn't at Sundance. But I knew the actors who were in the movie. So you read a post-premier but pre-use. You knew who was in it but you hadn't. And it was pre-post. And I knew that Stuhlbarg was getting. Don't get me hung up on pre-post. I can't do it no keep going i knew that stuhlbarg was getting a lot of good reviews for this monologue
Starting point is 00:27:29 near the end of the book so once i got to that point i'm like oh this has got to be it yeah and so reading that and you're reading it in the book and like it really like it affects you emotionally and then but i was going into the movie i'm like well i wonder now that i've read this and i've experienced this it won't be new to me I wonder if it'll get to me the way it was and I saw it at TIFF with sitting next to
Starting point is 00:27:48 David first movie I saw at TIFF and our friend Katie Rich and I'm just like I mean it's not a new story to be like weeping crying at that scene but like
Starting point is 00:27:57 holy gosh and then the ending is just so great it's sort of the way it washes over you but anyway we gotta keep moving who are some other people
Starting point is 00:28:03 we wanna talk about? Ricky Jenks is my favorite. There's not much to say. It's just like one of the most emotionally effective performances. It's another heart of the movie performance in a way. But I think
Starting point is 00:28:14 that's such a tough character to make a caricature. You know, this sort of like sad, older gay guy. You know what I mean? And he doesn't do it in a way that feels
Starting point is 00:28:23 like something you've done And the scene where he has to verbalize what Sally Hawkins is signing to him is kind of a magic trick in terms of... It's a total magic trick. I just remember Del Toro talking about the scripting of that scene where he's like,
Starting point is 00:28:38 it was so hard to find a way to get that because it wouldn't make any sense for him to say what she's signing because he understands what she's signing. And I just had this idea where it's like no, she needs to know that he hears it. And by saying it that's how she knows. He's also one of my
Starting point is 00:28:54 ultimate guys. You talk about who are your guys. He's the best. He's a god. He's the god and there was a thread. Was he on your list? He wasn't. He would have been my top ten. I'm very glad he got an Oscar. I had to put him in there. And after we did the Shape of Water episode, not the shape.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Yes. No, the Weight of Water episode with Karen Han, there was a thread on the Reddit. We now know how much it weighs and is what shape it is. You know a lot about water at this point. I really kind of backed water into a corner. Can't wait for the sound of water. Narrowing it down. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:23 The look of water. There was a thread after the Karen's Boys thing about like, what is your type? In the way that Karen defined what her type of person is. And my ultimate type is best embodied by Richard Jenkins now, which is like super frazzled, haggard looking man of surprising sensitivity. Yeah. of surprising sensitivity. Yeah. There was the one day at Toronto
Starting point is 00:29:47 I was standing in line with Esther and Esther Zuckerman and Matt Jacobs and Oliver Whitney and we were talking about They're a little threesome. Yeah. They're so fun to run into at all of these events. They're a good group. But we were talking about because we had just seen Florida
Starting point is 00:30:03 Project and something else and we were talking about the oscar contenders and we're like defoe defoe stuhlbarg jenkins were all the ones getting the oscar bots and i'm like what a great like what a great dad like jenkins isn't a dad but he like has a dad vibe towards sally hawkins well right that we we didn't really i didn't really see it coming at that point. But like it was those three and I'm like, this is a really good year for supporting actor dads. Because just missing my list was Ray Romano in The Big Sick. Super fucking strong. Great dad character.
Starting point is 00:30:33 What did you do? Yeah. What did you do? I'll say if I can quickly. Yeah. The Blinkies, their nominees in the category of Best Supporting Actor were... Willem Dafoe for The Florida Project, Michael Stolberg for Calling By Your Name,
Starting point is 00:30:53 Ray Romano for Big Sick, Patrick Stewart for Logan, and Michael Fassbender for Alien Covenant. Great performance. And my only problem with that is it's a lead. I agree. The thing is you can say that he gave a supporting performance in the movie because he gives two performances, but that's a little tricky.
Starting point is 00:31:08 He's the leader of the movie. He's in almost every scene. Cool consensus choices. I love those choices. So Stuart and Logan, you talked about it actually. Yeah, I'm not going to talk about it that much more. I'll say the thing I sum up about it, why it works so well for me, it's one of the few performances of a character dying, right?
Starting point is 00:31:24 This is a man slowly dying. His brain's been dying for a while. Where I think he fully embraces the ugliness and the fear of death. I think often it is played kind of cutesy or sentimental
Starting point is 00:31:40 and it is a very disturbing performance for me in how much fear you can see in him losing control of himself who was your other nominee? the last guy for me to talk about, Angus McFadden that's a good pick
Starting point is 00:31:53 that performance jumped out to me from the moment I saw it I think it's a hilarious performance he plays for people like the sort of puffed up explorer guy who goes with them on the second expedition and turns out to be a total waste of space and the first couple scenes where he's just boasting at these dinner parties
Starting point is 00:32:09 and making these speeches I was like this guy's probably going to get in for me he was with Shackleton's expedition or something he was like the number two on that one
Starting point is 00:32:15 he's got a big beard and like a big quaffed mustache and he's the mean grumpy zookeeper from We Bought a Zoo he's in We Bought a Zoo he's in Braveheart all those years ago
Starting point is 00:32:23 he's like a you know round he's like a, you know, round. He's like a character. But I was like, this is totally my kind of character actor performance of really funny blowhard. But then once he shows up on the trip
Starting point is 00:32:30 and can't carry his weight but continues to play it like he's the hero of the movie. He's like, I'm doing great. Because there's that scene where he's like on his back
Starting point is 00:32:37 and he's like eating all the food or something and he's also like spilled something in the rations and you're like, and Hunnam's like, what are you doing?
Starting point is 00:32:44 He's like, this is your fault. He's so funny. And then you see him again afterwards and he's like you guys practically murdered me out there. And he thinks he's in Mutiny on the Bounty. He thinks it's a heroic story. I just also
Starting point is 00:33:00 think if I were he may be mentioned later so I decided to keep him off but Robert Pattinson is wonderful in that movie. In one of those things where like 10 minutes in, you're like, oh, wait, that's Robert Pattinson in that big beard. And he's so, so quiet and so like authoritative and steady. I'll say, as you've implied, McFadden gets in over Pattinson for me because Pattinson might get discussed later. I have him jotted down to discuss later. And I wonder if we're all
Starting point is 00:33:25 on the same page. So, our winners are? No, no. I want a couple more people to talk about. Come on. We both had Jason Mitchell.
Starting point is 00:33:32 We both had Jason Mitchell who I think is the standout. I think that's a fantastic cast in Mudbound. It's a good cast. He's the best one. He's the one I think
Starting point is 00:33:40 the movie should be about if that's my complaint about the movie is that it's got a lot of things. He's so good in that movie. He's really good. I think the movie should be about if that's my complaint about the movie you know is that like it's got a lot of things I get that he's so good in that movie he's really good I think I would maybe agree with that more if I didn't also really love the Carey Mulligan character but it's I feel like I got like two-thirds of a movie from each of them you know one of the only movies I've ever seen where I actually think the argument that it should have been a miniseries is valid because I wish I could have gotten like a full fucking episode
Starting point is 00:34:07 on each character. That's fair. Did you have anyone else, Joe? I had the two Lady Bird guys. I had Tracy Letts and Lucas Hedges. Hedges in that breakdown scene is phenomenal. He's great, but he's perfect in such, like the scene where he auditions with Giants in the Sky is both
Starting point is 00:34:24 funny, the cut to it, everything in that scene is funny. Every cut to every song is perfect. But he's so earnest teenage musical auditioning kid. And even the earnestness of when they're together, the scene in the field where he doesn't want to touch his boobs.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Where they're naming the star. I think that movie asks so much of his actors because it's so short and it's so fizzy so it's like when Hedges pops up we need to get his whole character in 30 seconds
Starting point is 00:34:49 and you really do and the same with Chalamet and the same with all those smaller characters and like Steven Henderson I was gonna say
Starting point is 00:34:55 Steven Henderson if he had two more minutes of screen time would have made my five if the SAG award was voted on they do the crying audition go on sorry
Starting point is 00:35:02 if the SAG ensemble award was actually like the best ensemble and not just like. That's fucking it. What everybody was. That's the best ensemble of the year. Agreed. And Tracy Letts is the boss bitch.
Starting point is 00:35:11 We've talked about it. He's a boss bitch. He's a boss bitch. I interviewed him and he was lovely. Did you really? Breaking news. That's wonderful. Our winners.
Starting point is 00:35:20 Okay. My winner is Patrick Stewart and Logan. I'm sticking by it. I can't believe I'm not affected by that performance, especially since I'm not crazy about the movie, which I can now say again because- I'm kind of not crazy about the movie either. You can say it again because you're not auditioning for a Mangold project. Yeah, congrats.
Starting point is 00:35:34 But I talked shit about the movie. Then I really wanted to get cast in a James Mangold movie and the movie got canceled. Definitely the best performance in a movie that's secretly a Western. It is. It wins that. David, tell me more. We can't. It's secretly Western. It wins that. David, tell me more. It's too hot. It's too off the record.
Starting point is 00:35:49 It's a fucking secret. Off the record. Your winner, Joe Reed. My winner is Michael Stuhlbarg. Yeah, fucking killer. I think he's the best. He's the best. And I think I know where David's going with this.
Starting point is 00:35:59 My winner is Willem Dafoe. And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, let me double check this, the Blanky community also picked Willem Dafoe. And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, let me double check this, the blankie community also picked Willem Dafoe. That's my performance of the year. And the minute I saw it, I was like, I think that would, like if you asked me to pick like best actor, no gender, no supporting versus lead, he would be my winner. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:19 Love that performance. Okay. I guess it's time to go on to the next category. Oh, hey, Joe. Hey. Get the door for me, please. All right. I'll get the door.
Starting point is 00:36:27 Thank you. Hi, everybody. Hi. You probably can't see me because I'm standing at an angle. Wait. Are you a two-dimensional person? It's me, Flat Stanley. Okay.
Starting point is 00:36:42 All right. From Flatland? No. This. Really? I don't know who you are. Flat Stanley Okay Alright From Flatland No this Really I don't know who you are I feel like this is a very Accessible reference Flat Stanley
Starting point is 00:36:51 Popular children's book Character Is this really Oh yeah This isn't landing at all I remember you I think I had you Big deal
Starting point is 00:36:58 Like yeah Yeah Boy he gets flattened Has to send himself In the mail to see people Oh Okay Wait what I might have a guess Yeah. Boy, he gets flattened. Has to send himself in the mail to see people. Oh, okay. I might have a guess as to what you're here to talk to me about.
Starting point is 00:37:14 Well, as you know, I live right next door to the Audioboom Studios. Sure. So you flapped on over. One apartment over. Now, I got to send myself places when I want to get places, which is pretty nice. It saves money on travel, right? But the problem is, I'm to get places. Which is pretty nice. It saves money on travel. Right? But the problem is, I'm lazy.
Starting point is 00:37:28 Okay. I don't like to leave this building. Well, so you're flat. Hard for you to move around. Exactly. Thank you. The whipping winds.
Starting point is 00:37:35 Yeah. The New York winter. Yeah. It's what we all take for granted. We can just walk the place. Right. So I've been going to every other office in this building, knocking on the doors,
Starting point is 00:37:50 asking if anyone knows a better way for me to not leave my home, but also get myself shipped out in the mail. Well, you know how you can get anything online or on demand, you know, anything these days. I've heard rumors, sure. Well, do you know you can even get postage on demand with stamps.com? What? You can print real U.S. postage with stamps.com for any letter or package right from your home or right from your office. Let's say I have a desk in the corner of my living room. Sure.
Starting point is 00:38:11 Could I print it from there? You can print it 24 hours a day, seven days a week, whenever you want. That sounds incredible. They'll even send you a digital scale so that you can weigh your letters and packages and print the right amount of postage every time so you're not paying too much. God, I hate stepping on that scale. You what i'm saying it's even for flat people no it can kind of come and be you know relatable it's true i'm just trying to relate to you guys because i really thought you'd all know me by reputation i actually had a flat stanley book as a kid i think everyone did i'm not trying to pat myself on the back but i'm a very very popular character stand stand chill out look will it chill you out if i tell you that it's so easy to use stamps.com.
Starting point is 00:38:46 You just click, you print, and then you mail and you're done. It's a no brainer. Yeah, I mean, that does calm me down. It'll save you so much time. You can access all the services of the post office right from your desk. It's never been easier to send out your letters and packages. You just have to understand my frustration stems from the fact that I am a now adult version of a children's book character.
Starting point is 00:39:05 I'm with you, Stan. So my career is kind of done. Right. Do you know what I'm saying? Well, that's why you need to mail your resume out a lot. Right? That as well. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:14 I mean, more, you know, trying to mail myself out, but it's, I mean, you know. Sure. No one's writing books about old flat Stan anymore. If you want to mail yourself out, you step on the scale and you print out the postage you need using stamps.com and then you can, you know, get yourself wherever you want to go. Everyone likes a flat guy when he looks like Jacob Tremblay. Once he starts looking like flat Dennis Franz,
Starting point is 00:39:33 suddenly the offers start drying up, you know? So it'd be nice to be able to save money, you know? Well, at Blank Check, we're all really busy, so we rely on stamps.com to print out shipping labels so we can send out our prizes and all our mail and it couldn't be easier. I'm very close to being convinced, but I would love to hear some sort of offer.
Starting point is 00:39:50 If I could get a special offer, I mean, I don't want to sound greedy. Okay, well, we have a special offer with stamps.com for our listeners that include a four-week free trial, plus postage, and a digital scale. No long-term commitments. You just have to go to stamps.com.
Starting point is 00:40:05 You click on the microphone at the top of the homepage and you type in check. Okay. So I check to make sure that I've typed in something at the box. And what is the thing I type in? Uh, check. Oh, great.
Starting point is 00:40:14 That's stamps.com. Enter check. Wait a second. And you get four week trial plus postage and a free digital scale. No long-term commitments. Wait, Ben, did they just turn on the AC in here?
Starting point is 00:40:24 Oh yeah. Let's get him out of here. Let's get him out. Oh, there he goes. All right-term commitments. Wait, Ben. Did they just turn on the AC in here? Oh, yeah. Let's get him out of here. Let's get him out. Oh, there he goes. All right. All right. Griffin, you were weirdly quiet for all that. Did he frighten you?
Starting point is 00:40:32 I'm starstruck. You keep fucking flat Stanley? Are you kidding me? That guy's massive. Best supporting actress? Best supporting actress. I'm down. I'm ready.
Starting point is 00:40:43 And I guess our winners from last year come out to present the award. Oh, sure. My winner last year was Mahershala Ali. Oh, you and the Academy. My winner last year was also Mahershala Ali. I think you had a different one. I did. I had Alden Ehrenreich for Hail Caesar. Who was my number two. Han Solo himself.
Starting point is 00:40:59 And it's two Mahershalas and Alden Ehrenreich coming out to present. Oh, God. And we're all like, hey, Alden, how's Han Solo going? No comment from Alden and we're coming out to present oh god and we're all like hey Alden how's Han Solo going no comment from Alden I feel like Alden is under embargo and also yeah I hope he aren't we all very excited for that movie I hope he crushes it too but
Starting point is 00:41:17 it's gone from a movie where I'm like well look I think it's gonna be fine it'll probably be a little routine because Ron Howard had to pick up the pieces there. To me being like, is this a disaster? How is there nothing? How have we not seen a thing?
Starting point is 00:41:34 The portents are bad. And Alden is currently standing on stage butting his nails because we won't stop talking about this in front of him. Sorry, Alden. It's weird of Billy Crystal to go on and on
Starting point is 00:41:40 about how bad the Han Solo movie looks. Han Solo? More like Han Solo. And now Alden Amrick steps up to the mic to announce Joe Reed's Best Supporting Actress nomination. Best Supporting Actress. Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role.
Starting point is 00:41:53 Tiffany Haddish in Girls Trip. Sylvia Hoax? Am I pronouncing that right? In Blade Runner 2049. Leslie Manville in Phantom Thread. Elizabeth Marvel in The Meyerowitz Story. Joel! That's a Joe pick.
Starting point is 00:42:10 That's a Joe pick! That's a real Joe pick. That's what it is. And Laurie Metcalf in Lady Bird. Sure. All right, Mahershala number one, we'll say. Mahershala, Lee steps up to the mic. Okay.
Starting point is 00:42:19 And with a commanding but powerful silence and stoicism, says the nominees are Holly Hunter in The Big Sick, Ella Rumpf in Raw. That's such a good pick. Fucking thank you. Such a good pick. I'm going to mess up her name, but Bria Venite. Yeah, Venate.
Starting point is 00:42:39 I'm not sure how you say her last name. In The Florida Project. I support you with that. Lori Metcalf in Lady Bird. And my fifth nominee is Connie Britton in Beatrice at Dinner. That's another good pick. Fuck the world. I just want you to look and see what my sixth place best supporting actress choice is. Ella Rompenbrough.
Starting point is 00:42:58 That's a really good pick. My nominees are Sienna Miller in The Lost City of Zed. Cool. David Pick. Laurie Metcalf in Lady Bird. Leslie Manville in Phantom Thread. Catherine Keener in Get Out. And Tatiana Maslany in Stronger.
Starting point is 00:43:16 That's also a very good David Pick. Wonderful performance. I voted for at a certain Critics Awards. At a certain Critics Awards that we can't talk about. So let's talk about Metcalfe first since she's the one we all share. She's also, well, no, okay. Here's the thing about Laurie Metcalfe.
Starting point is 00:43:34 She's a very good actor. Very true. And I feel like for very long she's been under-recognized despite being this legend of theater, a fucking 75-time Emmy award winner. She almost never does a movie. She hasn't done a movie in like 15 years. I had friends over a couple weekends ago and we were going to watch something else but we
Starting point is 00:43:52 sort of had some down time. So I was like hey guys you want to watch the Laurie Metcalf scenes in JFK? And I said it as a joke and they were like no we have to watch the Laurie Metcalf scenes in JFK. She's so good. She's one of the Susie Cox right? She's Archie Cox's Wait is she a person? No keep talking I can't remember. She's one of the. Susie Cox, right? Yes. Archie Cox is. Right. Yeah. Wait, is she a person? No, keep talking.
Starting point is 00:44:08 I can't remember. She's one of Kevin Costner's like investigators. Right. Sure. She comes back. She is a real person. There are two scenes where she comes back with like her findings on the Oswald stuff. And as everybody does in that movie has this like real corn-pone Louisiana accent that nobody really has down.
Starting point is 00:44:25 But she's making the most of it. And it's all exposition. That movie does such good stuff with exposition. And she just makes it sing. And Lady Bird, she does all of that, and yet also gives this lived-in, finding all the nooks and crannies of this woman. It's just clear. She's invisible a, it's just like clear.
Starting point is 00:44:46 She's like invisible. It's an authoritative performance. Yeah. And she makes it look so fucking easy. You never sense effort from Laurie Metcalf to communicate something.
Starting point is 00:44:54 Not even when she's, she's got crying scenes, she's got yelling scenes. Like, it's not, it's not like it's a small performance at all. Yeah. She's playing a huge personality.
Starting point is 00:45:01 Right. Like, this immense personality that is clashing up against her daughter, who's another immense personality. I mean, it's the second best mother role she's ever personality. Right. Like this immense personality that is clashing up against her daughter who's another immense personality. I mean, it's the second best mother role she's ever played.
Starting point is 00:45:09 Yeah. In the Toy Story trilogy. I was waiting. I was just waiting for that. I believe she's going to be in Toy Story 4. She's listed. That's also a character
Starting point is 00:45:17 that's also a character who other characters talk about a lot. And those characters can sometimes feel like the expectations that the characters talking about them the acting can't always live
Starting point is 00:45:30 up to it and this one obviously does. Flat Stanley. I was starstruck. I don't know. I think that totally tracks and everyone's going to really like it. Did we have any others shared? Manville was on mine and Joe's. I mean she's in my 6 through 10.
Starting point is 00:45:46 It was just about fighting for my people. She is. I agree with that. Tiffany Haddish. Great performance. I'll tell you why I left her off. It's because you love Regina King so much. Regina Hall.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Sorry, Regina Hall. Excuse me. Regina Hall. Regina Hall. Yes. I mean, you do love Regina King. I love both of them. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:46:06 And no lies. Regina King will be coming up later in this episode when I ask a very loaded question. Oh. Get ready for it. Don't like the sound of that. No, you're going to like it. You're going to like it, and I'm going to look really smart, and I'm going to win a Nobel Prize. Okay.
Starting point is 00:46:18 My complaint, and it's not fair because it's on the movie and it's not her. Sure. and it's not fair because it's on the movie and it's not her. Sure. I think the one emotional scene they try to give her is the weakest scene in the movie
Starting point is 00:46:29 in terms of how it's written. Sure. I think that scene doesn't fucking work. Yeah, that's fair. And I think they're trying to build a sort of basement on the character in the way they do with Bridesmaids. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:39 The sort of emotional scene. Yeah. And it dings the performance for me a little bit in a way that isn't on her, but it somehow loses a little bit of shine for me. I think that's...
Starting point is 00:46:48 It probably would have been my six. I think, yes. And I think that's fair. I think the fact that any time there's a performance that elevates a movie to that degree, you've got to get back.
Starting point is 00:46:56 And it was such a star is born performance. Yeah. Even though I had loved her in like the Carmichael show. It's not like she was anonymous. She's great in Keanu, but it was still like,
Starting point is 00:47:04 oh, wow. 100%. She just fucking owns that movie. And it's the bestanu, but it was still like, oh, wow. 100%. She just fucking owns that movie and it's the best comedic performance of the year, no question. Absolutely. But Manville rules. She's almost as funny
Starting point is 00:47:14 as Tiffany Haddish. I'm so glad she got nominated just because I couldn't believe that she got nominated, kind of. We'll get that clip of her. Don't you pick a fight with me. Don't you pick a fight with me.
Starting point is 00:47:22 Ben and I were talking before the podcast about how I was sort of middling on Phantom Thread but man everything that Manville does in that movie I love I'm biggling on
Starting point is 00:47:32 Phantom Thread you are big you know that adjective we always use is biggling and then we just had a bunch of randos
Starting point is 00:47:38 so Ella Rumpf is just one of the she's the sister she's the sister in Raw and it's an incredible performance of confidence and hedonism. Yeah, she's good.
Starting point is 00:47:49 You know, she's just having so much fun doing such outrageous things. There's an element of just her being so fucking captivating. Like, she's a very charismatic, engaging... Well, that character has to be the girl that the younger sister looks up to. Yes. And yet has to be fallible because of everything that happens. No.
Starting point is 00:48:06 I kind of feel like you would like it. Yeah. Because it's about a bunch of punk teens college kids but then also they're eating each other. Or veterinary students.
Starting point is 00:48:15 What? Talk more about it. Eating each other. Later. Eating each other? There's some cannibalism We'll talk more about it later.
Starting point is 00:48:21 Chill out. Jesus. Who else was on your list? Who else was on my list? Who else was on my list? Connie Britton. She's great in that movie. Beatrice at dinner. She's always a good actress.
Starting point is 00:48:30 I was not fond of that movie. Oh, that's interesting. I like that movie a lot. I did too. I think that performance is an incredible depiction of a very insidious type of racism. Sure. That is the super performative. Yes. Arms outstretched
Starting point is 00:48:46 Oh we love her we love Beatrice until it becomes in any way detrimental to their own well-being. Even a little bit. Even a little bit the tiniest bit.
Starting point is 00:48:55 Yeah. That sort of very performative empathy. Yeah. And she's a great actress. Lithgow from that movie just missed my supporting actor list.
Starting point is 00:49:03 Also very close for me. He's really good in that. Bria Venati. Yeah. I mean, like, a stunning performance from someone who had previously only done Instagram sketches. Sure. And that's a really fucking difficult character. There's a lot of range there.
Starting point is 00:49:20 Yeah. And you have to, for the movie to work work you have to be feeling bad for her very often despite her constantly doing the most infuriating thing she could at any possible moment she is infuriating
Starting point is 00:49:30 as a victim of circumstance you know she doesn't ever like create these little moments like moments of false sympathy she doesn't give you that's the beauty of it
Starting point is 00:49:40 yeah and at the same time she is somewhat lovable right at the start where she's like Moony I'm such a horrible mother what am I gonna do and you're just like well I mean she did
Starting point is 00:49:49 literally like just spit on someone right but you also by the end of the movie Moony she's such a scam by the end of the movie you go she certainly could have a more responsible mother she will never have a mother that cares about her more than this woman does you know it's not just about being her own child she just doesn't know how to properly raise a child.
Starting point is 00:50:06 Of course she has no idea what she's doing with that final meal they have together. Yes. That's like the best she can do in terms of like trying to provide some sort of like happiness to her kid. But she's, you know, she's shitty in some aspects of motherhood.
Starting point is 00:50:20 Yeah, I would say. You know, a couple of mistakes made. And then Holly Hunter is my mom. We'll talk about this more in a future episode. So good at looking at people. Kumail said in some interview she's the fucking Holly Hunter of actors.
Starting point is 00:50:33 Which I think we don't give her enough credit for being in that pantheon. Very annoying that she didn't get an Oscar. She hasn't been given a substantial movie role of any real quality in such a long time. Yeah. You know, she was on TNT for years.
Starting point is 00:50:48 She had to drink Jesse Eisenberg's piss in Batman vs. Superman. Look, I don't think it's actually his piss. I think it's his piss and I'll fight on this till my dying day. Well, all right. That's a worthy fight. Part of me is just so relieved to have Pete Hunter back on screen. Yeah. But it is a super complicated, tricky performance.
Starting point is 00:51:05 I interviewed Kumail and Emily Gordon for the movie, and he told me that that scene in the comedy club with the heckler was based in part on moments from his career being heckled, but also that Holly Hunter told him a story of her yelling back at a heckler at a show. I just love her. Which I can't imagine. Like, that's fantastic. And we talk about this more in a future episode,
Starting point is 00:51:29 but she looks just like my mom. My mom gets mistaken for her. And in The Big Sick, literally every outfit she wears looks like an outfit my mom wears. Every item of clothing, it drives me insane. She rules. I was on set for the filming of that scene. You're kidding me.
Starting point is 00:51:42 Of the heckler scene. No way. And she's so small. At famous Chicago club Littlefield. Yeah, I was filmed set for the filming of that scene. You're kidding me. No way. And she's so small. At famous Chicago club Littlefield. Yeah, I was filmed at Littlefield. She's tiny. That's her thing. She's such a tiny person. Actors always surprise you with how tiny they are.
Starting point is 00:51:56 She's like sub five feet though, right? Probably. 4'11 to 5'8. David Alan Greer also had a whole section in that scene that they cut out, but it looked funny. they filmed it a bunch and he was great. It is weird that David Alan Greer plays not David Alan Greer in a movie where everyone else is a stand-up somewhat parallel to their own career status. He's good, though.
Starting point is 00:52:15 He's very good. And so those are yours. Who else did you have, Joe? Oh, I had Sylvia Hoax from Blade Runner 2049. She's the best one. She jumped onto mine the second time I saw the movie. The first time I saw the movie, I liked it but didn't love it. Carla Dury is also fucking great in that movie.
Starting point is 00:52:30 I don't love that character. I love that. I love her. Yeah, I'm sort of, I may be out on that. I think Sylvia makes such a dynamic impression with that character who is essentially, you know, just the semi-unstoppable right she's a terminator yeah exactly it's a really good way to put it yeah she's the terminator but they have so many cuts to her these sort of just like silent single tier cuts where it's just sort of like
Starting point is 00:52:57 we are left to interpret these sort of decades of history of the creation of this specific type of replicant and the relationship she has with jared leto's character and the relationship she has with all the other replicants where she's just seething with this kind of jealousy towards every other creature but she's the best one and she has this sort of like that she has to hold on to this maniacal belief and it's like it you can see it like shaking her from the inside well i also think that movie is about like gosling's whole journey in the movies he's like am i the chosen one am i the messiah i can't i can't have messiah that conveys specialness right and then at the end of the movie the movie is like no you're not not the Messiah, but you are special because you made your own choices here and you have formed emotional connections
Starting point is 00:53:50 with people. And that's humanity. Right. It's got the exact same thesis as downsizing. Whereas love is she's just like, no, what matters is if I'm the best one. And that's her own form of searching for consciousness and I love her. And I have Lizzie Marvel who
Starting point is 00:54:09 is so good in Meyerowitz's story. I loved Meyerowitz's story so much. Agreed. And she is so sidelined at the beginning of the movie. The first time we see her in the movie makes me laugh so much. It's sort of a joke in the movie. They've been having this conversation for like five minutes between Stiller and Hoffman.
Starting point is 00:54:27 And all of a sudden, they just turn a corner and she's been there the whole time. And you know so much about her character from that. That's really smart on Baumbach's part. And then she then sort of lives up to this character who is there and not there at the same time. Which I love. And then the moments where she really assert asserts herself, it, you know, the audience really gets taken aback. That moment where she talks,
Starting point is 00:54:48 you know, tells the story about her getting, uh, sexually molested or sort of, yeah, sort of, right. Like someone was creepy and touched her.
Starting point is 00:54:59 Yeah. Um, an uncle or I forget, I forget some, some family member, right. Or maybe it's like a family friend. I'll file that as a molestation.
Starting point is 00:55:06 Yeah, we can. I believe it was an over-the-clothes molestation. We don't need to talk semantics. Very bad. Don't do it. No good? Very bad. Don't do it.
Starting point is 00:55:17 Don't do it. Glad we figured that out. Yeah. Great movie. Great movie. Great scene. Anybody running in that movie is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life, including her. That scene where she just runs out of the parking lot.
Starting point is 00:55:29 And then at the end when she just gets that unpromptu haircut and talks about how she makes her own videos for HR or whatever in her company. She's the best. She's also part of one of those acting couples that I just like am fucking in love with. Oh, remind me. I know who it is. I didn't know about Tracy Letts and Carrie Coon until we did our post episode. Oh, really? But Elizabeth Marvel's married to Bill Camp,
Starting point is 00:55:49 who I fucking love. Yeah. And I just imagine them acting around the house together. You know who Bill Camp's great in? What? Molly's Game. Bill Camp in Molly's Game. Molly's Game, every fucking supporting performance is so strong. I disagree. There's one I didn't like.
Starting point is 00:56:05 I liked Chris O'Dowd. I'm trying to think of somebody. I loved Brian Darcy James. No, Costner is fine. Justin Kirk. No, thank you. I totally forget that he's in that. I don't know why that scene's in the movie.
Starting point is 00:56:20 I know why it's in the movie. Either give him more or cut it. I would agree with that. I mean, like, I know why it's in the movie, but either give him more or cut it. Yeah, exactly. I would agree with that. Yeah. I support that. David, do you have other... My other guys, yeah, who are they?
Starting point is 00:56:31 Who are my guys? Sienna Miller in Lost City Zed. What's up, guys? Why isn't she on all the lists? I like her. Well, why would you pronounce her Zed? It's the name of the movie. I call this City Zed!
Starting point is 00:56:42 He says it. Right, but you shouldn't say it like that because those people are from England. Wait, what are you getting at, Griffin? I don't it. Right, but you shouldn't say it like that because those people are from England. Wait, what are you getting at, Griffin? I don't understand. I just don't understand why David, someone who grew up in America,
Starting point is 00:56:52 was so weird. Yeah, what's going on, David? What's going on there, David? What's going on, David? Nothing. Shut up. I hate all of you. This bit is old.
Starting point is 00:57:02 No, she's wonderful in that movie. She's an actress who has sort of gotten kind of... Not an actress I've ever loved. Yeah, well, she's wonderful in that movie and she's she's an actress who has sort of gotten kind of not an actress i've ever loved yeah well she's an actress who's been easy to sort of my joke about her which was borne out from reality was i watched all of foxcatcher and at the end i said god wasn't linda cartellini good in that movie and and i think she's really good in foxcat i do too i just yeah i mean i had not a lot face blindness for her for the longest time. Yeah. And I'm glad
Starting point is 00:57:28 that she's coming into her own with this kind of stuff. She's also, it's a really unfortunate case of she was in the middle of like a PR hurricane
Starting point is 00:57:37 before anyone had seen her do anything. Yes, that's true. So she like came to the screen with all this baggage and I feel like she's been fighting
Starting point is 00:57:43 against that her entire career. I feel like she's been fighting against that her entire career. I feel like she's finally gotten to a point where she's sort of standing on her own merits because I think she always has been very good. I saw Factory Girl. She wasn't great. I didn't see that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:55 I didn't see that. Maybe she hasn't been good always. Yeah. But I think throughout her career, she has been giving good performances. Yeah. If not every time. Remember when she got in trouble for calling Pittsburgh, Shitsburg,
Starting point is 00:58:05 when she made the mystery. That was really funny. Five comedy points. It's funny. She's really great in that movie. Yeah. She's awesome in that movie. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:58:16 we should move on. Oh, Keener and Get Out. Right. Yes. Who I'm surprised more people weren't talking about. I think it's because
Starting point is 00:58:22 this season. I don't know. Everyone's amazing in that, except for maybe Mr. Laundry. I like the laundry bag. But she is so... Everyone is navigating their role so perfectly in the movie, but she's so threatening immediately.
Starting point is 00:58:37 But in that way where you're like, oh, well, she's just kind of like an uptight mom. And like, I'm afraid of her. She's a good actress for giving you know she's a good she's a good actress for giving you she's a great actress well right but i mean one of the things she's best at is giving you like she strikes a pose of authority and right there's a there's a charm to her that you know though that she thinks she's smarter than you or she knows she's smarter than you and that makes you a little worried when you're in her presence.
Starting point is 00:59:06 She does that in Malkovich where she's just like she's so much more clever than most of the other characters in that movie that they should be worried that she's working them. And she uses that really well in Get Out. She has that bit as the hypnosis scene starts where she's like, that's my kid. That's my kid. And you're like, let's win your goosebumps. Where you're like, wait a second. She's scary all of a sudden. And obviously the movies prepared you for that, but still.
Starting point is 00:59:36 All right. Did we cover your full five? Who are the winners? Your five? Okay. Who are your winners? My winner is Holly Hunter. Lori Metcalf.
Starting point is 00:59:44 Mine's Lori Metcalf. Who are the monkeys? The blankies nominated Lori Metcalf mine's Lori Metcalf yep and who are the blankies the blankies nominated Lori Metcalf Leslie Manville Holly Hunter
Starting point is 00:59:51 Catherine Keener nice and Daphne Keene for Logan she's good she's the girl she's a little X-23
Starting point is 00:59:58 and they gave it to Lori Metcalf yeah I can't believe Jannie's running away with it even though the second I saw I, Tonya,
Starting point is 01:00:05 I was like, shit, she's winning the Oscar. She really wraps the audience around her finger in that movie. My dad sat there and went, fuck, she's probably
Starting point is 01:00:11 going to win, right? And then, you know, there was like a low. From her first scene, we were like, oh, she's going to win. When the Lady Bird hype really got huge,
Starting point is 01:00:17 there was this low for Janney and everyone was like, no, maybe Metcalf is the front runner and then Metcalf has gone on to like not win any major awards. I'd love to see her pull off.
Starting point is 01:00:23 It's like this year is almost one of those old school and when I say old school I mean when I was growing up watching. And the Oscars are different zones. The critics all agree on their performances. It was Defoe and Metcalf. And Chalamet
Starting point is 01:00:37 and the actress was sort of a assertion but also a bunch of other people. And now all of now the Globe, SAG, Oscar people are different. And that feels like that divide used to happen a lot. The Oldman win, which I assume is upcoming, that's the classic Oscar win.
Starting point is 01:00:54 But as you said, those four critics, darlings, are who I would have bet on six weeks ago. I would have said the four winners are going to be at the Oscars. Because the Oscars had been doing that recently. J.K. Simmons and such. I think with Janney, one of the reasons why I'm not too mad about it.
Starting point is 01:01:10 I don't disrespect Allison Janney. I think it's a pretty bad performance. I just hate that movie. I think this is a win that capitalizes on how much people like her as an actress. And that I don't have a problem with because she's been giving great performances in movies and TV.
Starting point is 01:01:24 And I think the fact that she's been more in movies, especially recently, than Metcalf has, I don't have a problem with because she's been giving great performances in movies and TV and I think the fact that she's been more in movies especially recently than Metcalf has I don't have a problem with it so much I don't either look it's one of those things where it's like
Starting point is 01:01:32 I will be happy living in a world where Allison Janney has an Oscar I will just constantly ignore which performance it's for sure
Starting point is 01:01:40 alright we should move on okay next category is some time what do you want to do actress, actor performances for sure all right uh we should move on okay uh just next category is you know time what do you want to do actor let's do actor okay okay and now coming to the stage to present best actor my winner from last year amy adams and arrival mine was an f ending in 20th century women great performance uh mine is sasha in American Honey. The Sunday Darling
Starting point is 01:02:05 this year. Hashtag. Well, she was in the movie. Sort of. Hashtag the three friends. My God. Would watch a movie about those three being friends.
Starting point is 01:02:13 All right, so this is Best Actor. Best Actor. This is Best Actor. They're presenting Best Actor. Yeah. And Amy Am steps up to the mic. She does. The nominees for
Starting point is 01:02:22 Best Actor in a Motion Picture are a weirdly tough category this year. My sixth place was very close. Fantastic category this year. And one where I'm surprised with how closely I matched to the Oscars. Oh, sure. I thought I was going to really divert. All right.
Starting point is 01:02:36 My five are Daniel Kaluuya in Get Out. Well, that's the one no one thought the Oscars would go for until a month ago. Yeah. Timothy Chalamet in Call Me By Your Name. Denzel Washington in Roman J. Israel, which I also thought the Oscars would ignore. Daniel Day-Lewis in Phantom Thread.
Starting point is 01:02:54 I'm sorry, Dan Lewis in Phantom Thread. Thank you. Who I was afraid they would snub. Me too. And Robert Pattinson in Good Time. Cool. You really, really had me and then we diverted like ships in the night. Cool. You really, really had me and then we diverted like ships in the night. I had Daniel Kaluuya, Bring It Out,
Starting point is 01:03:09 Timothy Chalamet, Call Me By Your Name, and Denzel Washington, Roman J. Hells yeah. Just in Under the Wire because I saw that movie last week. Roman J.
Starting point is 01:03:17 He's great in that movie. That is one of his best performances ever. And then the pair of actors I have in place for the other two are the least likely for me ever. Adam Sandler in The Meyerowitz Stories and Ben Stiller in Brad Status. Narrowly edging out, Noel Perez Biscayar. Great performance in BPM.
Starting point is 01:03:39 He's like my sixth. Wonderful. I have not seen BPM yet. It's my biggest blind spot of the year. You should. And I also have not seen Brad Stass, which you have been telling me for a long time. I like it.
Starting point is 01:03:50 I particularly like. It's a Mike White movie. It's one of those things where you look at the trailer and you're like, oh, it's a Ben Stiller movie. But then it's like, oh, no, it's a Mike White movie. And it's a Mike White movie that reminds me of Enlightened in a way that I never expected it to. And I obviously like Mike White.
Starting point is 01:04:03 Yes, me too. I also think Stiller was underrated in Meyerowitz, although obviously he was never going to be, because he's playing the sort of tightly wound character. But Stiller's great. Sandler would have been my six. Can I give mine? Let's give it.
Starting point is 01:04:17 Mine's a mix of yours, actually. It's Robert Pattinson in Good Time, Denzel Washington in Roman Chasen. Wow, that's amazing. It's a great performance. It is. Daniel Kaluuya in Get Out, Daniel Day-Lewis,
Starting point is 01:04:27 Dan, in Phantom Thread, and Adam Sandler in The Meyerowitz Stories. So it's just a mix. Yeah. We're really cohesive. Just a tough category this year.
Starting point is 01:04:35 A lot of great performances. It's been weak for a couple of years and this was a hot year. This is a strong year. This is a year where any one of those guys I nominated would have beat my winner from the last couple years.
Starting point is 01:04:46 You know, it's like five performances that would have won in any other year. Yeah. My seven, I bring up only because I know he was right on the cusp for you as well. Klaus Bang. So good in the square. A movie I don't love, but that performance is phenomenal. I like that movie. I liked Charlie Hunnam in Lost City is Ed.
Starting point is 01:05:03 Of course you did. I liked, who else did I like I feel like there's another obvious one McAvoy and Split I mean I liked this guy from yeah
Starting point is 01:05:12 I think BPM McAvoy and Split I loved the main actor in After the Storm did you guys see that movie Hiroshi Abe which one was
Starting point is 01:05:21 After the Storm it's like a Japanese movie it came out at the start of the year I didn't see it. Hirokazu Kore-da. I love Hanks and the Post. I thought Hanks was great. Really solid in it.
Starting point is 01:05:31 It's just not a character. I like Fassbender in Alien Covenant a lot. There's another. Oh, Jake Gyllenhaal in Stronger. A great performance. Can we get to the meat of the conversation? Sure. because finally we can talk roman j israel on this finally talk that what an odd little movie that i loved pretty much
Starting point is 01:05:51 from from beginning to end i was very frustrated with the movie when i saw it i hate the framing device i still hate it that's the one thing i would the letter that he's writing yep yes i don't like that that makes it makes it seem like it all happened in three weeks which just like I spent when on my first viewing of the movie I was like no how could this possibly
Starting point is 01:06:10 be happening in three weeks and you don't need it. And also Dan Gilroy has this thing and he had it in Nightcrawler too and Nightcrawler's not a movie I really loved too much. Me neither.
Starting point is 01:06:19 But where all of us where he feels like he needs to create these like life or death stakes in the third act that don't I don't think necessarily need to be there to tell the movie that you feel like you're telling. Yeah. I feel like the stakes are there emotionally for the characters anyway, so I don't know why their lives have to be in actual danger. I question the ending a little bit.
Starting point is 01:06:39 I think the movie loses the thread on the Carmen and Jogo character a little bit, which starts out really strong. Yes, I agree. And then I think she kind of stops being specific in any kind of way that makes sense. That movie just has a lot of ideas. Agreed. It does. But I feel like that movie is wrangling and wrestling with those ideas in an interesting way, in a way that Nightcrawler, I feel like, has a lot of big ideas that it thinks it has down.
Starting point is 01:07:03 And it's going to tell you about some stuff. And there's a central idea in that movie that I find fucking fascinating is one of the things I'm constantly weighing in this world that we live in. Yeah. Which is, is it possible to affect large scale positive change. And hang on to your principles. Without making any sort of sacrifice of principles. There is a scene in that movie where it's him and Jogo when he first goes to apply for a job with her. Yeah. And he's sort of free associating
Starting point is 01:07:28 his career and his sort of philosophy about the law and about social justice. And he can't look at her and he can't look behind him at the little shit who's like, who has no respect for him. Already thrown some shit. And that's the one I hope is his Oscar clip. And I don't think it's going to be. I think it's
Starting point is 01:07:44 going to be one of the more like outwardly expressive. But he's like he's barely holding it together in the scene. And he does not want to cry in front of these people. And he sort of is. That scene was when I suddenly, when I was watching this movie, and I was like, I don't know what this movie is. And then you're like, whoa. But I did give it this mixed review because I was so confused
Starting point is 01:08:02 by the money in a bag plot. Like which just sort of comes in but then the more you think about it the more you're like why not make it literal I think the ending is fine too because he's making this like 40s morality play and it kind of has to end that way with like punishment
Starting point is 01:08:18 I do think he struggles to get some of his plots lined up for the ending I'm fine with the very ending. It's like the 15 minutes building up to that finale gets a little sweaty. I agree. I found out that Denzel won't eat bacon. Really? So that's why it's the turkey maple bacon donut.
Starting point is 01:08:39 That's really interesting. I hope that's his Oscars. I read an interview with someone where they were like, why that specific? And he was like, well, Den Denzel it was a maple bacon donut but Denzel said no no that's another in the many many great foodstuffs of 2017
Starting point is 01:08:52 yeah well I got a big category coming up later Miriam Bell we were talking about it with Miriam whenever we recorded the Biscuit Seat episode and I had seen it and just liked it and we were sort of getting you to reconsider it
Starting point is 01:09:06 a little bit. And I was there. I've been thinking a lot about that movie. But the thing I said in that conversation is I will have this thing sometimes where I'm
Starting point is 01:09:17 on the subway and I see a very odd person and I go, who the fuck is that person and what does their daily life look like and how do they make it through the world? Not in like a condescending way, but like in New York when you see like very bizarre people on the subway, and you're like, what is their hour by hour existence?
Starting point is 01:09:35 And Roman J. Israel is like the first movie I've seen made about that guy, where you're just like, in any scene you imagine that any other movie would pick any other character in that room to be the audience viewpoint. Before we move on from Denzel, I just want to say one interesting bit of Oscar trivia that I find fascinating is this year Denzel and Octavia Spencer, both of them, are the first black actors to ever be nominated two years in a row. Wow. Ever. Because Denzel was Fences last year and she was Hidden Figures. Octavia Spencer is also the most nominated
Starting point is 01:10:08 black actress of all time tied with Viola Davis with three nominations. Jeez. And I believe both she and Viola, no, no, she is the first black actress to be nominated after winning an Oscar. Correct. Yes, that's it.
Starting point is 01:10:21 Because Viola has not yet been nominated again, although one imagines it's quite possible she will be. And will be only got to. That's right. Yeah. And she didn't win. She wasn't nominated after Ghost. She was nominated first for Color Purple. Yep. Okay. Some other. Pattinson. So obviously Griffin and I love Pattinson.
Starting point is 01:10:37 Obviously you do not. I don't. It's not that I don't love Pattinson. Have the Good Time War. I don't like Good Time. I love that movie. I don't like that movie. I think Pattinson's good in it, but I don't like that movie. I drink from this bottle of Sprite. Now, Ben, have you seen Good Time?
Starting point is 01:10:48 So Ben texted us in a... How about Bad Time? How about that? I... Hey, watch yourself. Watch yourself. Let me try and find...
Starting point is 01:10:55 It was a good time. Let me try and find the text. In different people's eyes. Ben texted us in a frenzy. I was very mad. Here we go. All caps. How come no one told me
Starting point is 01:11:04 about Good Time? WTF? I need to see this movie what and I replied I figured I didn't need to tell you about a movie you're the star of and then
Starting point is 01:11:13 Griffin Griffin was like you know you gotta watch it before the blankies so did you watch it I watched it and I loved it
Starting point is 01:11:19 yeah okay cause it it it pushed some buttons it fucks it fucks hard yeah reminded me of my adolescence you know there's certain things i can't talk about and you know this movie i think portrayed
Starting point is 01:11:35 sort of the life of a person who lives a reckless life a scum bum a scum bum. A scum bum, baby. No consequences. Who cares? That movie was good. It fucking fucks. Those directors that made a movie previous to that starring your doppelganger. Heaven knows what. Caleb Landry Jones. Caleb Laundry Jones. As a real scum bum. Caleb Laundry Jones had not done laundry before that movie.
Starting point is 01:12:02 No, no. Listen, there's a certain level of romanticism to being kind of a bad guy. Yes, but he destroys lives. And I think the movie wants you to get that. And the movie doesn't let him off the hook. And I think the movie is designed to make you actively uncomfortable every time he's destroying a life.
Starting point is 01:12:20 I don't think it asks for enjoyment, perverse enjoyment. And his character is just like a fucking shark. He is unstoppable. Anytime he like hits a wall, he runs a new algorithm to figure out a different corner to go around. And it's a character where we get
Starting point is 01:12:35 very little background from him. I mean, a lot of it's inferred. He never really speaks about his emotions. Most of his dialogue is lies that he's telling to people in order to get what he needs at that moment. But there's such a full sense of who that guy is just in
Starting point is 01:12:49 how well-rounded Pattinson's performance is, I think. That is my stance. But Joe, do you want to offer a rebuttal? Mostly, I don't know how one of the directors gets away with casting himself as the mentally impaired younger brother. But he does have actually interviewed him about that.
Starting point is 01:13:07 He is good. There's an answer that I... I love the last scene of it. I wish the rest of the movie had a run to that last scene. And really, as good as that last scene was, it made me even more angry because I'm like, no, don't, can't end it with something this well done when the rest of it was...
Starting point is 01:13:21 What have you heard, Griffin? Because you're pointing at me like you know something. Well, I think it's probably what they told you, that they had originally wanted to cast an actor with a similar set of circumstances and they felt like they could not comfortably
Starting point is 01:13:36 and safely... Couldn't do it without it seeming like they were pointing a camera at someone and reveling. And the other thing I heard them say, which I think... Maybe cast an actor. The other thing i heard them say which i think maybe cast an actor the other thing i heard them say is that uh in terms of the amount of like stunts involved and action and how they like to move that's they that's the thing they talked about i moderated a panel with them and they talked about how like making that movie unsurprisingly was hard and how pattinson who I think is game for anything,
Starting point is 01:14:06 and he's in his indie mode, there was one time it was when they're wearing the bank masks where he was like, how long do we have to do this for? This is very uncomfortable. That was the only time he ever mentioned anything. But it's a lot of running around New York City and like, okay, let's set up the shop really fast.
Starting point is 01:14:22 And I think it was just a trying shoot. Like, you know, we're going to end. Yeah. I think it was just a trying shoot. I, you know, am certainly becoming less and less tolerant of not casting appropriate people in roles by the millisecond. Yeah. But this is one example where when I heard their explanation, I kind of felt like it passed the snap. I think it's a fair question.
Starting point is 01:14:42 I don't know. Maybe in a year I'll find it reprehensible. But yeah. Who else we got? Well, you guys had your boy Dan Lewis. Dan Lewis. Okay, Ben is holding up victory fingers in the air. He's hungry.
Starting point is 01:14:55 God, I mean, it's so cliche. He's the fucking best actor. Like, he just is. But the thing that really jumps out to me about this performance is it feels like it is the most personal performance he's ever given. Not the like Monday morning quarterback. But I think that's part of the reason that he's stepping away from acting now is he has always seemed like one of those actors who acts to get away from himself.
Starting point is 01:15:18 Yeah. And I think the psychological conditions of this guy. Imagine Bill the Butcher being a vacation from your. Right. Right. But he conceived this movie with PTA. It was the Butcher being a vacation from your everyday. He conceived this movie with PTA. It was a little more of a collaborative effort.
Starting point is 01:15:29 As I'm sure you know, Ben, because you talk to Dan all the time. So maybe he put a little more of his own relationship with people into this character. Even just the struggles of being someone who is that sensitive and that precise about your work and trying to also be a person.
Starting point is 01:15:47 Yeah. You should see the dress he made. It's gorgeous. He made some dresses. He made dresses. He recreated, what's that designer? Balenciaga? Balenciaga?
Starting point is 01:15:59 Yeah. Balenciaga. He remade one of these famous dresses of his. Did you see the Steven Pasquale thing? I did. Yeah, no, absolutely. The Steven Pasquale thing's amazing. Steven Pasquale,
Starting point is 01:16:10 someone tweeted a photo of him. What was the play? A great actor, by the way. Yeah. Very good actor. The Robert Bridegroom. And someone a long time ago, or maybe someone tweeted,
Starting point is 01:16:21 last year I heard a rumor that Daniel Day-Lewis built the jacket Steven Pasquale wore in the Robert Bridegroom because he was like going method for the Phantom Thread. It's like this sort of leathery jacket. And Pasquale retweeted it with, sometimes rumors are true. Imagine getting the call where it's like, hey, Dan Lewis, he's in a sewing mood and he wants to make you a jacket. And there's even just like, I mean, this is where the guy pays off because usually I don't care that much about like. No, the method shit.
Starting point is 01:16:48 Who fucking cares? Right. I don't fucking care. Give a good performance. I don't care what it took you. Right. But there's, I saw the movie again last night and there's a close up shot of him threading a needle where you see how fucked up his thumb is. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:00 And it is fucked up in a way that can only happen if you have spent 18 months building dresses. Like, even if you were just, like, the night before shooting the scene, like, let me pinch myself a bunch, you know? Let me scrape the skin off. It's just, it's a very revealing performance in a way I think we don't usually get from him. And every single gesture, every micro-expression. Chic! Don't talk to me!
Starting point is 01:17:21 Chic! Fucking chic! Every line reading. That word! That voice is amazing oh the voice is great and it's just a fascinating fucking character a tinker's fuck
Starting point is 01:17:29 tinker's curse no it's a a fucking tinker's curse Jesus Christ what a line nobody gives a fucking tinker's curse what you think
Starting point is 01:17:37 no you know I gotta scoop no it's oh okay yeah okay so obviously the character
Starting point is 01:17:43 hides secrets the lining threads them into the character hides secrets the lining threads them into the dresses one of the dresses in the movie I had Dan hide bounce baby see
Starting point is 01:17:52 I want the fans if they can guess which dress it is then please tweet at Ben Hosley with pictures of the dress
Starting point is 01:17:59 Ben do you ever hide things in our episodes what's that like back masks do you ever sew little audio clips into our episodes? you gotta listen really close things are particularly twisted I imagine hey
Starting point is 01:18:12 who else did you have Joe? who else did I have? I had Daniel Kaluuya I feel like we all had him he's so good and Stiller and Sandler the natural actors who I always go to. I'm very resistant to the Adam Sandler optimism thing where every once in a while he makes a movie and it's like, Sandy Wexler! And everybody's like, yeah!
Starting point is 01:18:34 Except Sandy Wexler's an American masterpiece. Of course. Yes, a great film about Hollywood. The most revealing and honest film about Hollywood in the last 10 years. 100%? Yep. Given that. I think he's so good in Meyerowitz. I think he's so good in Meyerowitz.
Starting point is 01:18:45 I think he's so good in, and I love him in Punch Drunk Love, but it's a different kind of thing. In Punch Drunk Love, I feel like Anderson is harnessing that sort of Sandler thing. He does the sort of volcanic eruptions in this too, but I think all his,
Starting point is 01:18:58 that scene at the piano where he and his daughter played by, remind me of her name. She's great. She was in that movie Tramps. She was really good. And her sister's also an actress. Is that right?
Starting point is 01:19:08 Yes. I'm going to have her name for you guys in just one minute. Her name is Grace Van Patten. Grace Van Patten. Yes. Who was also wonderful in that movie. Great. As is Emma Thompson.
Starting point is 01:19:18 Every little performance. It's a wonderful cast. She made Shark. Dustin Hoffman was on my list until he got himself off my list. Died until he died. He's dead now. But that scene at the piano where Sandler and Grace Van Patten are singing that song, the Genius Girls song.
Starting point is 01:19:34 And I'm like, oh, this is such a great thing of like, Adam Sandler does his silly little songs. That's always been a thing that we've loved about him from Saturday Night Live. But this is different. This is an older, wiser, sort of a melancholy. There's a little sadness to that to that but it's not really like it's not mugging you for tears but it makes me cry every time i see that because there's a there's these little inflections that they give that that communicate the sort of long relationship i'll say he gets like my
Starting point is 01:20:01 my weird holly hunter award and not at all how the character is written the circumstances he is in but just in terms of behavior he reminds me so much of my fucking father in that movie that's interesting I met your dad especially the parking scene at the beginning
Starting point is 01:20:18 I would imagine that a lot of people who lived in New York City for their whole lives would see a lot of the parking scene as someone who owns a car in New York City really spoke to me that thing where you're having a conversation with someone
Starting point is 01:20:29 and then suddenly you'll have to shift into your parking mode and you're like what the fuck is he doing and obviously Sandler yelling
Starting point is 01:20:36 is such a magisterial thing to watch you know what I mean like him exploding on camera best comedic yeller
Starting point is 01:20:44 it's incredible him and Odenkirk thank you Odenk camera best comedic yeller it's incredible him and Odenkirk thank you Odenkirk's an amazing yeller god damn it son of a bitch why would you do that
Starting point is 01:20:51 and then Stiller and Brad Status who I feel like it's a very simmering performance it's a very simmering performance very good performance
Starting point is 01:20:59 yeah it's one of those that movie reminds me of Enlightened I don't know I think he's wonderful in it and it's
Starting point is 01:21:04 it's another one of those where I want to make sure I'm being careful about not giving somebody too much credit for, like, giving a good effort for the first time in a while. But it's been a while. Although, I mean, I think he doesn't, I think he's very, very good in the other two Bombeck movies he's been in. I agree. I think in all three Bombeck movies he's very good. He brings out great stuff in them and I think Mike White does as well. Chalamet, was he on
Starting point is 01:21:30 all three of ours? I love the performance. It's the most interesting teenager performance I've seen in an incredibly long time and it feels like he's carving out an entirely new archetype. With that performance in and it feels like he's carving out an entirely new archetype you know i mean with that
Starting point is 01:21:46 performance in particular it feels like he is this interesting more feminine millennial james dean and i say more feminine only in the sense that there is not that internal conflict about fighting the emotions right yeah you know the accessibility of those emotions is pretty breathtaking. And yeah, that final shot, you can't argue with that. Well, and as well as he plays, you know, talking about like playing gay and like whatever, that's a loaded term that I don't really want to touch.
Starting point is 01:22:17 But what he plays really well also is only child of academic Euro-American parents in that way. And again, I have no personal experience with that. But my mom is French, my father is American.
Starting point is 01:22:31 And I've seen a lot of movies. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The way that movie uses Italy I think is very smart in a lot of ways. And I think his performance is also smart
Starting point is 01:22:39 for those very things. And I think he, so much of that character is about him sort of being in this cocoon of sort of leisurely Italian countryside life and this character coming
Starting point is 01:22:51 and like snapping him out of this and sort of making him realize he wants all these things that he didn't know he realized and he doesn't know how to handle it. And it's... He also wins a family award for playing my brother.
Starting point is 01:23:01 That character is... Man, your family's all over this year's awards. All over this year. All right, guys, keep going. Okay, the blankies chose Daniel Kaluuya, Timothee Chalamet. They spelled it...
Starting point is 01:23:14 Whatever. Timothee Spall style. You know what? List of people I've heard pronounce it Timothee include Armie Hammer, Ansel Elgort, and Timothee Chalamet. Yeah, it's Timothee.
Starting point is 01:23:24 So I'm fine with calling him Timothee. Robert Pattinson for Good Time, Danny Day for Phantom Thread, and Adam Driver for Star Wars The Last Jedi. Oh, they had him in lead? He's not in lead. It's borderline for me. He's not in lead. He's not in the movie much. Yeah. Like, he doesn't have a plot. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:23:42 I think he kind of does. What's his plot? His plot is take down Snoke. Stop smoking. For the first half of the movie. Blow that ship out of the sky. This is a non-snoking zone. For the first half of the movie, he's only ever really in Rey's vision.
Starting point is 01:23:56 Sure. Apart from that, we're not cutting to him. My counter argument is no one's elite that much. He's more object than subject. What do you mean? There's three main plots in the movie. Daisy Ridley goes to the island. John Boyega goes to Canto Bight.
Starting point is 01:24:08 And Oscar Isaac stirs up some shit on the ship. Like those are the three plots we're cutting between. Chewie eats a pork. And he's not in any of those plots. I do because I think there's enough stuff on the...
Starting point is 01:24:18 Yeah, that's true. Chewie eating a pork is another part. True. He's supporting those pecs. Another thing, and then we do have to get to actress, but i can't believe we did not talk about the fact that ray's parents are revealed in that movie in our episode my favorite literally my favorite element entire film and not only that the episode was 15 hours it was a very long episode
Starting point is 01:24:38 we were very tired boys we were tight tight boys yeah we were but i i in the force awakens episode you literally say like I really hope I hope I prefer it if it turns out her parents were nobodies and I'm like
Starting point is 01:24:50 you know that'd be nice but I don't think they're gonna do that like you know because Abrams is dropping all these hints and then that's exactly what they do
Starting point is 01:24:57 I couldn't have appreciated that more and we totally didn't mention it your winner David is Daniel Kaluuya it's a wonderful performance mine as well which is why I held off on talking about him mine was Chalam, David, is... Daniel Kaluuya. It's a wonderful performance. Mine as well,
Starting point is 01:25:05 which is why I held off on talking about him. Mine was Chalamet, but you guys talk about Kaluuya. Super strong choice. The Blankies also chose Kaluuya. I can't believe he got nominated because I felt like it's
Starting point is 01:25:15 exactly the kind of performance that no one ever gives enough credit to. And it's so internal for so much of the movie. I mean, obviously, the hypnosis is his sort of breakdown scene, but even that, he has to be locked up, you know,
Starting point is 01:25:26 like physically. But an incredible looking and listening performance because you're using him to try to gauge whether or not there's a threat and a thing he's playing really well. And I think this dude just rules in general. Yes. Great in fucking Sicario, great in Black Mirror, great even back on Skins. Oh yeah. The dude fucks.
Starting point is 01:25:41 My brother knows him. Stop it with the humblebrags. You should ask him about it tomorrow. Wait a second. How would Joey know Daniel Kaluuya if he grew up in the United States? In the United States? In the UK. The Hampstead Theater. Why was Joey your brother in the... We grew up in England.
Starting point is 01:25:58 Oh. Fucking idiot. God. Dude is great. He's wonderful. And I think the thing he plays super well, a very tough needle to thread in this movie, is the fact that he does not want to believe something bad is happening. Right.
Starting point is 01:26:15 Sure. He's trying to- Right. He's trying to rationalize everything he sees. He's trying to block his skepticism. Yeah. Because the problem with most horror movies is you go, why are they walking into the room? Why aren't they running away?
Starting point is 01:26:26 Get out. Get out. And the thing he does well, which I think makes the entire movie work, is that it's a guy who goes, I need to get over my sort of skepticism and trust that people could actually respect me and care for me.
Starting point is 01:26:41 And then all his worst fears are 100% accurate. And also, you're seeing a guy who every time someone says something awkward in the movie, which is often, you know, before things get bad, he's so practice it, like deflecting it and giving the little smile or the sort of like, yeah, I don't know. And like, it's just so internalized.
Starting point is 01:26:58 Him thinking like, well, it's gonna be creepy and awkward here because we're in the suburbs and they have black servants and it's weird. That's the scene that I think is his best is the scene with Whitford. No, the scene with, what's her name? The grandmother. Betty Gabriel. That scene is
Starting point is 01:27:13 phenomenal. She would be an outside pick for me on supporting actresses. You know who's another outside pick I forgot to mention? Pom Clemente in Guardians 2. Wonderful performance. Very hard to play someone whose superpower is literally feeling
Starting point is 01:27:26 everyone's emotions all the time. So much fun. I hope she gets stuff to do in Infinity War. Let's see best actress. So those are our winners. And the best actress
Starting point is 01:27:35 coming to the stage now, Tom Hanks, winner for Sully. He was your winner? Yeah. Wow. As I said, any one of my nominees last year would have won. Well, Adam Driver was Wow. As I said, any one of my nominees
Starting point is 01:27:45 last year would have won. Well, Adam Driver was my winner last year. Or any one of my nominees this year would have won. I know what I'm saying. Denzel was mine for Fences last year.
Starting point is 01:27:52 Cold performance. Cool. The Three Amigos up on stage announcing the nominees. And the nominees for Best Actress are... Would you like me to go and give you a second to gather yourself?
Starting point is 01:28:06 Jessica Chastain in Molly's Game. Rebecca Hall in Professor Marston and the Wonder Women. Oh, great performance. Salma Hayek in Beatriz at Dinner. Saoirse Ronan in Lady Bird and Meryl Streep in The Post. And now Tom Hanks is going to announce five nominees very well because he's good at his job. The nominees are Salma Hayek
Starting point is 01:28:27 for Beatriz at Dinner. Nice. Saoirse Ronan for Lady Bird. Sally Hawkins for The Shape of Water. Jessica Chastain for Molly's Game.
Starting point is 01:28:37 Nice. And Vicky Creeps for Phantom Threads. Love me a Vicky Creep. It's like flat pancake. Yeah, and now I'm drivers coming up to the stage and we all know what his voice sounds like.
Starting point is 01:28:49 Sure. I'm not going to do it. No. How would you do it? I can't do it. It's hard. There is an impression. There's definitely something there.
Starting point is 01:28:57 Someone's got to find that impression. The nominees. That's not bad. If I hold my nose and try. The nominees. Saoirse Ronan for Lady Bird. Vicky Creeps for Phantom Thread.
Starting point is 01:29:08 Florence Pugh for Lady Macbeth. Good pick. Cynthia Nixon for A Quiet Passion. And Kim Min Hee for On the Beach at Night Alone.
Starting point is 01:29:20 Ooh. That's right. That's esoteric. Yes. I like it. Blankies nominated Sally Hawkins for The Shape of Water. Great performer. Saoir's esoteric. Yes. I like it. Blankies nominated Sally Hawkins for The Shape of Water.
Starting point is 01:29:27 Great performance. Saoirse Ronan for Lady Bird. Vicky Creeps for Phantom Thread. Meryl Streep for The Post. And Rooney Mara
Starting point is 01:29:35 for A Ghost Story. Oh. She's supporting. I agree with that. But I think it's a very good performance. It's a good performance. It's very Rooney Mara
Starting point is 01:29:43 performance. Which I love Scared Bird so I love every Rooney Marr performance. Which I love Scared Bird so I love every Rooney Marr performance. Rooney Marr is always a pigeon. She sure is.
Starting point is 01:29:50 Who's gauging how close you're going to get. She's a breakthrough role in The Hours as that dying sparrow. She is. The Hulk had been lying down next to her.
Starting point is 01:29:59 Can I just compliment our listeners saying those are really cool consensus choices. Yeah, I agree. That's like enough people had those nominations really cool consensus choices. Yeah, I agree. That's like enough people had those nominations that they ruled out.
Starting point is 01:30:09 David, what did I see Florence Pugh in very recently? The Commuter, my friend. I sure did. She was commuting away. Commute, commute, commute. The best song of 2018. What's crazy,
Starting point is 01:30:18 and I remember talking about this with Richard Lawson after seeing Lady Macbeth, is like, how the fuck did she not get into Game of Thrones? Oh, good point. You're seeing this performance and you're like, look at this star.beth is like, how the fuck did she not get into Game of Thrones? Oh, you're seeing this performance,
Starting point is 01:30:26 you know, like look at this star. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like, how did Game of Thrones not make her play some fucking, you know, bread wench or something, you know,
Starting point is 01:30:33 like some poor, awful, marginalized character in some tower. Yeah. You know, gets thrown off a cliff or something. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:30:41 So let's run through. Yeah. Well, she really like that. Too bad. She didn't get to play that role. No, I'm saying run through. Yeah, but she really been like that. Too bad she didn't get to play that role. No, I'm saying I'm glad that she
Starting point is 01:30:49 like got to break out with fucking lady. What do you got bread wench? This is a Lannister bread bakery. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:30:57 Let's talk through our nominees because we have a lot of overlaps. We did by Sersha. Oh, we want to talk Sersha first?
Starting point is 01:31:03 We all had Sersha. We all had Sers had sirsha i mean good that's a good actress right there good acting from a person who is uh good at acting yes who is what is she 23 and she's fucking incredible like third oscar nomination like the most assured performer on screen yeah so fucking funny in this movie hilarious that'sious. That's the thing for me. I mean, I said Tiffany Haddish is the best comedic performance of the year, but Saoirse Ronan's kind of
Starting point is 01:31:29 right up there in how much she lands every single fucking joke without force. And not even the big ones. That part in the supermarket where she just goes, come here often,
Starting point is 01:31:38 and it's too aggressive by just a little bit. And talk about her audition scene. Oh, everybody says don't, which I burst out laughing. It's so funny. I'd have to kill your fucking family. Like all those bits where,
Starting point is 01:31:50 like as any teenager, anyone who's ever been a teenager can recognize where she goes too far. But you cannot believe that performance comes from someone who does not have a comedy background. Yeah. That's true, but she loves comedy.
Starting point is 01:32:00 She loves comedy. McGruber. Yeah. Cercheroni, if you want to get pasta dinner, I'm open. It's surprising that it's that funny coming from someone without a comedy background. And surprising it's that funny in a movie that isn't that much of an out-and-out comedy. It's certainly a comedy, but isn't designed to be a laugh a minute. It's not a yuck-yuck factory, you know?
Starting point is 01:32:20 She makes all those lines sing without ever betraying the sort of internal contradictions of this character who is struggling so hard to figure out who the fuck she is. Yeah, and she and Metcalf get a really good sort of like rhythm together. She actually, she's a great scene partner with all of, there's so many good one-on-ones in that movie. Her and Beanie Feldstein. Now, talking about good scene partners, the Hedges scene, that's my favorite scene of hers. The star naming scene? No, the scene reacting to Hedges. Oh, partners. The Hedges scene. That's my favorite scene of hers. The star naming scene? No, the scene reacting to Hedges. Oh, well, that's an incredible scene. Where she just goes from being
Starting point is 01:32:50 mad at him to just being like, it's going to be okay. That's what I love about that movie. She's such a teenager where she can do that. She can go from being mad to totally forgiving someone in a second. Well, and the phone call at the end. She sells that so well. It's the name you gave me. It's a good one.
Starting point is 01:33:05 Ah. Yeah. Sally Hawkins. Admittedly, a skill piece performance. My favorite thing about that movie. It's a technical performance. Definitely. It's very emotional, but I tend to go for emotional specificity more than I do those sorts of like, look, they had to do this and this while standing on their hands.
Starting point is 01:33:22 Yeah. But. She has to do a lot. The beauty of that performance for me is the fact that I think it doesn't ever feel gimmicky when it really, really could. It could have, yeah. And that I feel like I go through long
Starting point is 01:33:35 stretches of the movie forgetting that she's not speaking. Because of how expressive she is. I love her as an actress. I do too. She's great. She's fucking Pattinson's mom. Did you have her? I didn't, but she would have been in my top 10. As is every year,
Starting point is 01:33:49 my best actress list was like 20 people long. It's a hot list. It's crazy. And I haven't seen A Quiet Passion yet, so I don't know. A Quiet Passion rules.
Starting point is 01:33:57 You guys should go see it. It's one of those things where it's a tough performance, obviously, because she's playing someone who's so famously kooky. And she's finding, obviously, the right angle to make her not famously kooky like make her a real person yeah who just was 10 a little too much for everyone not everyone for
Starting point is 01:34:16 but for a lot of people and like just sort of portray that very quiet receding that like you know at the beginning a quiet passion, if you will. She's basically in society, and you're just sort of gradually watching her be like, I don't think this is something I can do. Over the course of a movie, without anyone freaking out or breaking down. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:34:40 Movie rules. Terrence Davis. Jessica Chastain's a fucking Stradivarius. Love her. It's one of those ones where you almost feel bad for liking it so much because it's created for you to love it
Starting point is 01:34:50 I think just be happy it's like a rollercoaster ride for me that's like Aaron Sorkin the ride I've decided to stop feeling bad about
Starting point is 01:34:57 how much I enjoy the rhythms of his stuff and the way that actors can really tear into it if I was in like a critique right where I was asked to give
Starting point is 01:35:06 notes on that movie as like someone's class project. There are a thousand things I could criticize it for. That having been said, I literally could not enjoy that movie more. Yeah, it's so much fun. I fucking love it. First time I saw it, I'm like, I'm going to love the next 25 times I see this movie because it's... I can't wait to watch that movie on TNT
Starting point is 01:35:22 every time I'm in a hotel. I also want to stick up for the Costner monologue, which I decried after I saw it for the first time. Partly because I was at Toronto and you have to see movies one after the other. And I was kind of like, wrap it up, wrap it up. And then the second time I saw it, I was like, this isn't as bad as I remember it.
Starting point is 01:35:38 And it's not as, basically what he's saying in that monologue is like, I'm an asshole. It's fine. It's good that you realize that. Because you think he's saying like let me explain everything that's wrong with you but he's not like he it sort of it just sort of bends around for him to be like i'm fucking kidding i don't know the answers i just know i'm an asshole that bugs you i saw chastain and sorkin give a talk back uh about that movie when the second time i saw it and they she
Starting point is 01:36:03 she gave a very good rationale for that that I sort of bought in the moment and I don't know if I necessarily do where she goes you go into that scene expecting her to expecting the dad to make make it better for her you know what I mean and that she and the fact that she's the one who ends up comforting him at the end of the scene puts her in the power seat, and I'm like, I get that's what they were going for. I still think it's that back-to-back with the scene where Idris Elba spends 20 minutes
Starting point is 01:36:31 talking about what a good person she is. Makes it two really long scenes where men say why she's worth it. Spaced out, and I also think the setup of Costner just happening to be there when she happens to choose to go to the ice skating rink is sweaty as fuck. But I do think
Starting point is 01:36:47 We're to the point where if you had told me he was a ghost I would have been like oh yeah that makes more sense. I totally thought that's where they were going. Honestly because it seemed
Starting point is 01:36:53 like you can't be this sloppy. But, but, but Sorkin has the tendency to do the thing that drives you crazy when I do it on the podcast which is try to find the one internal conflict
Starting point is 01:37:03 that every other moment of that person's life. Sorkin should make a movie about George Lucas and his wife. 100%. I would fucking give it every Griffey Award. Guys, we're two hours into this thing. Do not leave me down a Marshall Lucas path. Right. But the thing that I think works for this movie that is not intentional
Starting point is 01:37:18 at all. I think it almost only happens because Sorkin is inexperienced as a director. Yeah. Is the character who delivers the monologue, the, you know, Rooney Marr breaking up with Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs' lack of a father, Billy Bean being cut from the team,
Starting point is 01:37:34 is the character who we know is full of shit. And I think that's kind of the key to the movie working, which allows that character to retain her agency and go like, that's just one guy's fucking theory. She's more complicated than that. I think that's what that's, you know,
Starting point is 01:37:46 to make that movie work. And I just, I just love the way she fucking owns every single shot of every single scene without being afraid to be feminine, that she doesn't feel the need to be like a fucking badass in any sort of traditional way. Right. She's established this whole new way of being a badass.
Starting point is 01:38:06 Even different from Ripley. The new Jessica Chastain, I'm a quiet lady who just doesn't fucking put up with shit, is my hero. Who else have we nominated? Who else are your guys? Talk about scene partners.
Starting point is 01:38:19 Vicky Creeps. Vicky Creeps, yeah. You guys tell me about Vicky Creeps. Oh, man. It's like Rocky Balboa fighting against Apollo Creed. Hannah's Vicky Creeps. That's the only other thing I've ever seen her in. It's the Joe Wright movie, Hannah.
Starting point is 01:38:30 Oh, she's in that? Yeah, she's the mom, I want to say. Yes. Creeps, who only is around for like the first scene. Creepy. She's from Luxembourg, which just automatic A plus for me. Agreed. Who's from Luxembourg? Vicky Creeps. Vicky fucking Creeps. She's like the one famous person from Luxembourg right now and if you you know couple decades like the grand duke like
Starting point is 01:38:52 that's it how do you feel about creeps because you just saw phantom thread um she she does all right against dan yeah man she holds her own she holds her own for sure i um saw for the second time last night i kind of can't fucking get over that performance. So good. Yeah. I mean, just think about the intensity of just being on set with that nut job. I mean, I love Dan. Yes.
Starting point is 01:39:15 But I mean, you know, he's like probably in character and being rude just like his character. You, if anybody, would know what how hard it is to sort of. Yeah. Oh, I would text him and he would just be like, don't bother me right now. I'm in the middle of something. He would reply with, my character doesn't own a phone because he's from 1950.
Starting point is 01:39:31 Yeah, he would do that. Well, you've also talked about just how tough it is to play like air hockey against Dan Lewis just because of how intense he is. Like, no one goes head to head with Dan Lewis and comes out alive, right? And there are a lot of movies about Dan Lewis locking horns with someone else,
Starting point is 01:39:44 but they never seem his equal. And Vicky Creep 100% seems his equal, if not his superior. The whole point of the story is that he's met someone who's, I mean... Well, when she plays air hockey
Starting point is 01:39:54 against him in that movie, like, it's really compelling and it's shocking the way that scene ends. More like butter hockey. No, it's a movie that's just going wide. I don't want to fucking,
Starting point is 01:40:03 like, unfurl everything I think is brilliant about the performance because it ruins a lot of what I think the film ends up getting to that is sort of surprising. But I just watched that movie a second time knowing where it lands by the end of the story and am just fucking astonished by every micro expression
Starting point is 01:40:19 she makes at every moment. She's got a great fucking face. And I get excited when there's a new movie. With the hungry boy. Can I make a case quickly for Rebecca Hall and Professor Marsden and the Wonder Women? Great performance. Not a lot of people have because
Starting point is 01:40:35 it was released wide and then taken out of theaters. This was Anna Perna, right? Anna Perna really kind of buried this movie. I wanted to see the movie very badly, but I think I had a flight that day. Yeah. That it was in theaters. It was a movie that they bizarrely opened wide, which is something Annapurna decided to do a lot of
Starting point is 01:40:51 this year because they did it with Detroit as well. And I believe it had the worst opening weekend in the history of wide releases. And so then that was that. Which is too bad. She's wonderful in it. I think the movie itself is good and has great moments to it. But I think she is by far the best thing about in it. I think the movie itself is good and has great moments to it. But I think she is by
Starting point is 01:41:07 far the best thing about the movie. And it's again, this is the year after Christine, where she also probably deserved a Best Actress nomination and she didn't get it. Salma Hayek. Great sweaters. Good point. Yeah, you guys both had Hayek. I mean, I love Salma Hayek. I even like her in that movie. It's her best performance
Starting point is 01:41:24 ever, no question. And I think she plays against type without playing against type, which I like, where you don't feel like she's like, look at how different I am being. Absolutely not. It's a performance that is totally lacking in vanity. And I'm not saying that for superficial reasons because she wears less makeup in it than she usually does.
Starting point is 01:41:43 She wears some real good mom jeans in that movie. There is a confidence in who this person is that is completely unchanged by her surroundings that makes her look very stubborn. Well, she's so unpredictable. That's a performance where it's just like you don't know what she's going to
Starting point is 01:42:00 say from scene to scene and that's what I love. 100%. Which is my gripe of the movie. The thing that leaves it off my 10 list is I think that movie mangles the last five minutes. You did the blanking choices. I did. Their winner was Sally Hawkins. Kim Min Hee, On the Beach at Night Alone.
Starting point is 01:42:15 I'm assuming you guys, neither of you have seen it. It's a Hong Sang-soo movie which is about you know her? She was in The Handmaiden. She's been in a couple hong sing-soo movies who's this korean like rom-com director but it's as you know his movies are as different as that might you know like he's not he makes odd little comedies and he had an affair with kim min-hee okay after making a movie with her and this is the movie about their
Starting point is 01:42:44 relationship that they then made together. Interesting. It is one of the best breakup movies I have ever seen. This is essentially about a famous actress wandering around her old town and hanging out with people and them all kind of like trying to figure out ways to ask around what happened to her
Starting point is 01:42:58 because everyone knows. I did not know this movie existed until now. It is so good. I love it. I mean, it's a good movie. I think it's not a good... If you've never seen a Hong Sang-soo movie, don't start with this one
Starting point is 01:43:10 because this is him like... It's a very inward looking movie. Yeah. Like start with something like Yourself and Yours or like... What's another like good Hong to start with? But it is a cool movie and Kim Min-hee rules.
Starting point is 01:43:23 You nominated her, I believe... I believe I nominated believe, two years ago for The Handmaiden. I think I did. I think she made your list. Yeah. I had a tough time with both of them because I couldn't figure out category placement. I think one of them got on. She's right now wrong then. That's a great movie.
Starting point is 01:43:38 That's the one they made together. Okay. Which is essentially two people go on a date. You watch the date happen. It doesn't go well. Then the movie resets, and you watch the date happen. It doesn't go well. Then the movie resets and you watch the date happen again and it goes better. Oh, that's interesting. That's the movie.
Starting point is 01:43:51 I like that. That's cool. It's often his movies have some odd little twist to them. Yeah. It's slightly supernatural. Yeah. Anyway, who else did you have? Do you have anyone else you want to shout out?
Starting point is 01:44:00 We've got a lot of my people. All right, so who are our winners? Mine's Meryl in the Post. Oh, she's good. She's pretty good in good in that movie i mean she should be on my list i love that performance it's my favorite meryl performance in a decade years in a decade yeah and it's plus and she makes that movie and i don't think there i think people she's gotten so rewarded and she's so good that people now have and this happens to her a lot in her career where early 90s was sort of this was just like oh we've all feel like we know what meryl delivers so we're
Starting point is 01:44:29 we're over it and then she has to come back with something that jolts people out and i think adaptation was a thing that did it in the early 2000s for sure and i was hoping that this would be a performance that would do it too and that movie has been sort of and it's inexplicably to me ignored but yeah it's making money. It's making money. I think it's a movie that's going to be remembered. It's so good.
Starting point is 01:44:48 And it's a great performance. We talked about fucking smart her underplaying of all her big Oscar scenes. She's so watchable. Some of the bravest
Starting point is 01:44:54 strategic work I've ever seen an actor do in terms of like I'm going to go against every single instinct of what this movie needs at this moment. Who's your winner?
Starting point is 01:45:02 My winner is Vicky Cripps. Love her. Mine is Meryl. Mine is Saoirse. Alright. That's a good trio. Look, I mean
Starting point is 01:45:09 Saoirse. Fucking great. And then Sally Hawkins is the blankie word. Those are four good winners. It's a good quartet of actresses. Do we do director?
Starting point is 01:45:16 We do but I think we won't harp on it much because I assume we'll be mirrored by Are we doing screenplay? Original screenplay. Lady Bird. Coco.
Starting point is 01:45:25 Phantom Thread. Oh my god. The Shape of Water. And Beatrice at Dinner. Okay. Adapted screenplay. Molly's Game. Star Wars The Last Jedi.
Starting point is 01:45:36 Sure. Call Me By Your Name. The Lego Batman Movie. Oh. And Wonderstruck. Really? Sure. Horrible screenplay in my opinion.
Starting point is 01:45:47 I think it's a very good screenplay. I think the movie doesn't 100% work. Did Selznick write the screenplay? Yes. Yeah, he did. I think it's a very good adaptation especially if you've read the book which feels almost unadaptable. I don't know if I would say that's the whole problem with the movie though.
Starting point is 01:46:03 I think all of the black and white stuff fails in a way that I wish I could put my finger on. I don't know if I would say that's the whole problem with the movie though. I think all of the black and white stuff fails in a way that I wish I could put my finger on. I don't like any of the black and white stuff. I don't think that movie 100% works.
Starting point is 01:46:12 No. But I do think it's very well written and I do think if we were doing this I would nominate in literally every below the line category.
Starting point is 01:46:22 I mean it looks beautiful. It's a nicely made movie. I think that movie is incredibly made, scored, shot. It's my favorite score of the year, I will say. Beautiful score. As long as I can't include Hans Zimmer's for Planet Earth 2, which I know is television.
Starting point is 01:46:33 Sure. So I will not do that. Do you have screenplay nominees? I do. The ones that don't show up on my best picture list, because I feel like that's, you know, all the best picture stuff we'll talk about in a second. Okay. Your Name, adapted screenplay, I think is a great screenplay.
Starting point is 01:46:46 I know a lot of people feel like that's a last year movie. But I'll be talking about it in a little bit. In New York, it's a 2017 movie. In New York, it's a this year movie. BPM, well, that shows up on my best picture list. Lady Macbeth, I think, is a really good screenplay adaptation. And Lost City of Zed is on my list. Yeah, that's on mine.
Starting point is 01:47:04 Mudbound is my... My adapteds are Lost City, Call Me is on my stream. Yeah, that's on mine. Mudbound is my, my adapteds are Lost City, Call Me By Your Name, Mudbound, Molly's Game, and Blade Runner 2049. Okay. My originals are Lady Bird Get Out, Big Sick Meyerowitz,
Starting point is 01:47:14 and Phantom Thread. Nice. I mean, originals are like crazy stacked. Originals are very, very good. Very strange. It never happens. Yeah, there are very few.
Starting point is 01:47:21 Usually adapted is like where all the best picture contenders live, and this year they don't. Yeah, it's very few. Usually adapted is like where all the best picture contenders live, and this year they don't. Yeah, it's very odd. Okay, best director. Sure. Yes. My nominees are
Starting point is 01:47:33 Guillermo del Toro. Heard of him? Fan of the tech. He watches the tech. He said it was good. Really? Oh, yeah, you told me yeah for the fan
Starting point is 01:47:46 for the shape of water yeah uh no for liking the tick for liking the tick Yermel the Torah for liking the tick humble brag of keep going
Starting point is 01:47:53 all humble brags please I'm begging you Sean Baker for the Florida Project yes Paul Thomas Anderson for Phantom Thread yes Julia DeCornell
Starting point is 01:48:01 for Raw very good sure and Josh and Benny Safdie for Good Time Good time The part in that movie where they played that song Hanging in a chow
Starting point is 01:48:13 The most strange part of that movie My director nominees are Luca Guadagnino for Call Me By Your Name Christopher Nolan for Dunkirk David Lowery for A Ghost Story Greta Gerwig for Lady Bird and Dee Rees for Mudbound. Cool. Mine are
Starting point is 01:48:29 James Gray for The Lost Cities. Sean Baker for The Florida Project. Greta for Lady Bird. Paul Thomas Anderson for Phantom Thread and Christopher Nolan for Dunkack. Got more English at the end there. So I feel bad for leaving Nolan off. Yeah. very well directed movie.
Starting point is 01:48:45 I knew he'd be represented. Very well directed movie. Insane movie. It just goes without saying that it's very much not my type of movie. We know it's not a griffin movie. I respect it deeply. It was my 11. He was my 6th for director. It's an achievement. That's what I always call about that movie. It's an achievement. Unquestionably.
Starting point is 01:49:01 And I would empirically like it if he won the Oscar this year. I think he's not going to. He's not going to. But I think that's kind of the most directed film of the year. Sure. I also think it's well directed. I do too. I think it is.
Starting point is 01:49:12 It's very well directed. I'm not saying that. Do we have anything else we want to do before we do Best Picture? We forgot to give our Best Director winners. Oh, that's true. And I also. Joe, yours is? Mine is Luca Guadagnino.
Starting point is 01:49:26 And mine is Sean Baker. Okay. And the Blankies nominated Christopher Nolan, Greta Gerwig, Guillermo del Toro, Denis Villeneuve, and Sean Baker, and they gave the award to Nolan. Sure. Yeah. I mean, it's a good batch this year. It's a good batch. It's a real good batch.
Starting point is 01:49:41 Look. Better than the bad batch, which is not a good movie. No. And better than the new batch, which is not a good movie. It's not a good movie. No, no. And better than the new batch, which is one of the best movies ever made. Sure. Like, we did score sometimes. Some odds and ends.
Starting point is 01:49:53 Sometimes we've done song, but this year is not like a hot song year. Well, Remember Me is a fucking banger. Last year was a much better song year, I would say. I thought the Sufjan Stevens songs and Colin Braynard were very good. They're good. Never Enough and Greatest Showman is the best song in that movie. Should have been nominated. My favorite
Starting point is 01:50:09 song in Greatest Showman is From Now On. Oh, interesting. I don't know why. I'm a sucker for Rewrite the Stars. I think that's the best number in the movie. It's the best number. I think that's what I'm coming down on. It's the best stage. The two Myra with stories. Myra and Byron is a very best number. I think that's what I'm coming down on. It's the best stage. The two Meyerowitz stories.
Starting point is 01:50:25 Myron Byron is a very good song. Yeah, that's fair. We're also forgetting the other great song of the year, which is I Found You, sung by a seven-year-old boy in the end credits of the Lego Batman movie in character as Robin. It is very funny. Griffin Newman.
Starting point is 01:50:41 Yeah, the only other things we've ever done are score and song. I have a nomination for the Putters and Murmurs. Great, okay, because this has been a tough year for me, and I want you to run by what your choice is, because I've been struggling. I only have one, because I figured you might have some more. I have a bunch. This is where I have Robert Pattinson
Starting point is 01:50:57 and the Lost City of Zed. Oh, good Putters and Murmurs. Young Putters. Young Putters. Here's one I really think we need to mention is Agnes Varda in Faces oh my god
Starting point is 01:51:08 huge putter and murmur veteran I was kind of angling towards her being incredible also the nuns in Last Jedi
Starting point is 01:51:15 great putters and murmurs but also fish nuns hashtag times up a woman has never won putters and murmurs before that's true
Starting point is 01:51:23 can we clarify for people explain it the putters and murmurs award is the award you think people this deep into this episode are like what are they talking it's previously gone just in case david i don't know you're right you're right it's previously gone to joel egerton and loving uh yeah that was one uh you had ian mckellen and mr holmes right and of course timothy spall timothy spall and mr turner is the sort of like patron saint of the category right uh and uh it's it's for the performance that involves the most uh how would i describe it uh puttering around and murder um you know i'll say i had this thing where I retroactively feel bad.
Starting point is 01:52:08 We gave it to Edgerton last year, but I think— Well, you were sort of casting about for someone to have. Right, and I overlooked a big putter murmur, which was Mark Rylance as the BFG. I think I mentioned him. Maybe not. We mentioned him in that episode. Edgerton is very putter and murmury in It Comes at Night. True. So I feel like if I had done my work correctly last year and given it to Rylance, I might have given it to Edgerton this year.
Starting point is 01:52:31 You did a Russell Crowe for Gladiator instead of Beautiful Mind. So I think this year Agnes Varda is winning. Yeah. The putters and murmurs. Did you guys see Menashe? No. The Yiddish language movie? I mean, that's a movie with a putter and murmur as its lead. Yeah. guys see Menashe? No. The Yiddish language movie? I mean, that's a movie with a putter and murmur
Starting point is 01:52:46 as its lead. Yeah. Cool. Menashe Lustig. Joan Didion in the Joan Didion documentary. Sure. Richard Gere
Starting point is 01:52:55 in Norman? Yeah. Hello. This is a category that skews old. Sure. Let's be honest. I did give you Robert Pattinson,
Starting point is 01:53:02 the youngest ever nominee for putters and murmurs. I think that's a great choice. He's breaking records. He's the Justin Henry at Beckham. Now, if I can just give out some of the Bennys quickly. Oh, yeah. There aren't nominees.
Starting point is 01:53:11 They're just winners for these, okay? Okay. For the Bennys. Pro-doer, the person who's able to do the most efficient, impressive work. All right. Ridley Scott reshooting all the money in the world. True. I agree with that.
Starting point is 01:53:22 Yeah. You got it done. Poet laureate, actor who really kind of makes their dialogue sing. I'm paraphrasing some of these descriptions. Mickey Stahlberg for Call Me By Your Name. The Tiebreaker Award, ironically, was
Starting point is 01:53:35 a dead tie, so there was no consensus pick there. Fart detective for the actor who is I guess most capably able to... Detective Fart? They give it to Laurel for Get Out. He does detect that fart real fast.
Starting point is 01:53:50 I guess it's the most skeptical performance. I think that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Fuckmaster, self-explanatory, goes to Armie Hammer for Common Fire Name. That's pretty good. We might have to add the Peach Eater to Ben's nickname list. No. White Hot Benny, which is like kind of breaking out the barn doors,
Starting point is 01:54:07 goes to Timothee Chalamet. Hello Fennel for Best Debut goes to Greta Gerwig for Lady Bird. Dirt Bike sounds like it's an ensemble award for the kids from It. Okay. Soak and Wet for literally just wettest performance, Doug Jones' Shape of Water. Yep. literally just wettest performance Doug Jones Shape of Water and Mr. Positive for the brightest light
Starting point is 01:54:28 is Gal Gadot for Wonder Woman a category that will definitely be won by Paddington next year and then of course the close personal friend of Dan Lewis award
Starting point is 01:54:38 for being a close personal friend of Dan Lewis on screen goes to Vicky Creeps I thought you were going to say Leslie Manville, but yes. Manville. Well, she's sort of a sibling. You can give it to either one. So it's just down to your best pictures, huh? Well, I want to do my scores.
Starting point is 01:54:54 I'm doing my scores. Oh, you're going to do scores. Also, if I can just say, I laugh alone from the Reddit ass that we mentioned the blanky Discord group. I don't even understand what Discord is. It's like a chat room. Enough with the Redditors. I mean, I love them, but you know.
Starting point is 01:55:07 They've had their day in court. They're gonna get so angry. Best picture. No, I'm doing my scores. Here are my scores. Zimmer for Dunkirk. One O-Tricks Point Never. Is that how you say it? For good time? Wow. It's a fucking banging score. Agreed. This electronic musician. Marianelli for Darkest
Starting point is 01:55:23 Hour. That's like the main character in that movie yeah daniel hart in a ghost story that's also the main character yeah fucking my winner is christopher spelman velocity is that that thing is the greatest score that score like is like longing in a score my nominees are shape of water nice score i really like it I think it's like fine day plot. I think it's Valerian's score. I watched the movie again and I liked the score. The score really stood out to me.
Starting point is 01:55:50 It's a nice score. This is a big grow for me because the first time I thought the score was a little too big for the film. The second time I thought it was just right. John Bryan and Lady Bird. Lovely score. One of my favorite film composers. It's a small score in terms of quantity, but it's very nice. It felt a little emotionally large for the movie.
Starting point is 01:56:06 The first time I saw it and the second time, it was just click right there. With You on Good Time, Wonderstruck, Carter Burwell. Very nice score. That's in there for me too. Johnny Green with Phantom Threat. Oh, I forgot about that. I may have done my score list a while ago. Maybe I fucked you on this one.
Starting point is 01:56:22 Blade Runner's got some cool shit going on. It's tough to know what's original and what's homage best adapted ROMs yeah basically do you have any scores you wanted to shout out I think you guys
Starting point is 01:56:32 mentioned a lot of Wonderstruck Lady Bird Phantom Thread it's a lot of good scores well you know I got my categories time for Ben
Starting point is 01:56:40 he's been working okay so I'm bringing back a category from the first year, which is remakes. This is the one where you made one of them fruit. You made the Eighth Flight fruit. So this is a category where I picked movies from 2017 that should be remade with either babies, animals, or puppets.
Starting point is 01:57:02 Right. And then you decided one was fruit. But also fruit and now clowns too. Okay. So number one, The Greatest Showman, or how about The Greatest Showbaby? That's a cute little thing there, right? That's going to make so much money.
Starting point is 01:57:16 Griffin's got a real Ben face on right now. Number two, Baby Driver. No, no, no. Fruit Driver. What? Why? It's even cuter now. What's driving?
Starting point is 01:57:28 Like what's the fruit that's driving? Like what's the main fruit? Melon. Sure. I would've gone with a bunch of grapes, but you know what? A melon's good. Well,
Starting point is 01:57:37 you know what they say? Honeydew is the money melon. That's true. That's true. Okay. Number three, all the money in the world. Instead of Chris Plummer, you could have just done like a CGI puppet,
Starting point is 01:57:49 and it would have been a quicker fix there. Right? Just have Statler play that character. See? Yeah, you get it. Number four, Molly's Game. So I feel like Sorkin should make a puppy movie. Puppy.
Starting point is 01:58:08 Yeah. And then he could totally reference that painting of dogs playing poker. I can't. God damn it. And then number five, it's Pirates of the Caribbean, Dead Men Tell No Tales. Everyone's favorite movie. Sure. Everyone remembers it.
Starting point is 01:58:28 What about Clowns of the Caribbean, Dead Jesters, Hocknall Horns? What? All right. All right. What else you got, Benny? This is a favorite of mine, wetter movies. Of course. The wets.
Starting point is 01:58:41 The wetties. The slickest flicks of the year. Slickest flicks of the year slickest flicks of the year number one blade runner 2049 that's some future wet right there oh yeah i tanya it's frozen but it's still wet and for sure slippery quantity a lot of it yeah yeah uh dunkirk everyone is soaked to death yeah uh shape of water Water, I mean, that's just obvious. And then finally, speaking of an Aquaman, we have my man in Justice League.
Starting point is 01:59:13 Cyborg. Right, yep. And it's also very sweaty. That is a sweaty movie. Both in terms of the sweat on their bodies and the plotting. Boy, I watched that movie a second time recently. Did you? Why?
Starting point is 01:59:25 Because I was with my friends. Did you have a screener or something? A drunk in a hotel, and they all voted to watch that because they hadn't seen it before. Was this in Toronto? Did you just re-watch this? This was in Toronto. We always watch movies together when my buddies and I go to Toronto to visit our other buddies. And you watched that instead of a movie.
Starting point is 01:59:41 The two movies that were voted for as the double feature were both because of how savage our dunks were on them. On the pod? People said, now I need to see them. So was it Book of Henry? Correct. We opened the book. We cracked open the book. It's like a Streisand effect.
Starting point is 01:59:54 Is that a movie that holds up? I'm going to say something insane. Okay. That movie, your brain starts warping and bending to it the second time you've seen it where you know where it's going, where you're like, of course that's what happens in the book of Henry. Yeah, well, of course,
Starting point is 02:00:09 you gotta read the book. Like, it's still horrible, but you're like, right, but then that's obviously what the next scene is. You stop being astonished by its awfulness and just like, well, this is just objectively bad. Justice League, though, God, is that thing fucking sweaty.
Starting point is 02:00:22 Very sweaty. Are you done with your categories, Brandon? Oh, I have a new one. A new one. Debuting. Should have had Jared Leto in it. Okay, number one, Bright. Very into this category.
Starting point is 02:00:34 Great first nominee. Come on, right? You should have been. More like Bright. One of them elves. Not right. How about Wonder, just to kind of give it some edge? Definitely not an edgy movie, Wonder.
Starting point is 02:00:46 No. So you just want to make it a little more twisted. Yeah. Number three, Get Out. He could play himself, just like a bad white person. Sure. Right. Just scared Lito is himself.
Starting point is 02:00:59 Number four, again, as himself, but as the baby. Embossed baby. Sure. Right. Right. Sure. Right, right. Number five, Mother, where he also could have been the baby that gets torn apart. Spoiler alert. Yeah, I mean, that's the
Starting point is 02:01:14 one where I agree with you. I would have liked to have seen Jared Leto in that role. What else you got, Benny? Okay, you know, honorable mention, good time because it's a scumbag romp I really need it downsizing because people are small
Starting point is 02:01:29 but then people are also big sure have you seen it yet future dystopian flick which I love I haven't he told me all about it I'm really into it
Starting point is 02:01:37 so I will definitely see it it's a movie that plays very well when you describe the concept of it to someone a lot better than when it actually plays out
Starting point is 02:01:44 continue defending it as a gentleman's B-. But that's it for me. I have one last one, but we'll see if we have time for it. So why don't we just get into our best picture. He wants the last word. Ben wants the last word. That's fine with me.
Starting point is 02:02:00 It's also two hours. We just hit two hours. See, it's not so bad. It's not so bad. Ehrlich has played this trick on me when we're having dinner. He did it recently where he picked up the bill and he was like, $600?
Starting point is 02:02:15 $600? And I was like, what? And I grabbed it. It was like $150. He was like, see, now you feel better. It's great comedy. Okay, for best picture. Yes. How are we doing this? Let's great comedy. Yep. Okay. For best picture.
Starting point is 02:02:25 Yes. Yep. How are we doing this? I think we go from- Let's just each read our list out. 10 to 1. All right. Sure, you can do 10 to 1. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:02:32 That's what I'm going to do. Okay, you want to go first? Sure. My number 10 is a movie called Princess Sid, directed by Stephen Cone. Great movie. Just outside my top 10. It's probably the smallest movie on my list. If you haven't heard of it, seek it out.
Starting point is 02:02:44 It's really good. I believe it's on vod or whatever it is it's on yeah you can and watch it today it's a contemporary sort of coming of age coming of age from a little bit but also just kind of like a summer movie you know girl and her aunt sort of like challenging each other on some really interesting ways steven cone directed a movie called Wise Kids. It's one of my favorite little movies ever. Number nine, Mother. Which I know is not everybody's favorite movie. I don't know how you guys feel about Mother.
Starting point is 02:03:13 Is something burning in here? Because I smell a hot take. I kind of came around on Mother. Did you really? I kind of like Mother. It's not a top ten for me. I like the Mother exists. I still don't think it's a good movie. I like the provocation of it. I like the fact Exists. I still don't think it's a good movie. More like a top. I like the provocation of it. I like the fact that it had everybody arguing about what it meant for a good two weeks there. It was.
Starting point is 02:03:31 I love the provocation of it. I just wish I loved it. It just loses me in the last act. But anyway. It's super punk. It is. Number eight, Mudbound. Number seven, A Ghost Story.
Starting point is 02:03:43 Number six, The Meyerowitz Stories. Number five, Get Out. Number four, The Post. Number three, Mudbound. Number seven, A Ghost Story. Number six, The Meyerowitz Stories. Number five, Get Out. Number four, The Post. Number three, Lady Bird. Number two, BPM, Beats Per Minute. And number one is Call Me By Your Name. Nice. My order, I feel like I could kind of throw these movies in a bag and shake them up.
Starting point is 02:03:59 Yeah. I don't even, reading this. All right, you great artiste. But I'm just going to read it. Okay. Yeah. who cares? Who cares? Sure be her.
Starting point is 02:04:10 She only lives? Number 10. All right. Wonder Woman. Okay. All right. Number nine. Your Name.
Starting point is 02:04:18 Very good movie. Yep. Lovely movie. Number eight. Good Time. Number seven. Coco. Number six. maybe you should say it how it is one time so people coco there we go number six phantom thread number five raw number four the florida project number three the lego batman movie nice number two The Work
Starting point is 02:04:45 my favorite documentary of the year by a mile and number one The Shape of Water nice I love how all in you are on Raw
Starting point is 02:04:53 I'm all about Raw Raw was not a movie I loved I liked it I had a problem with all the eating loved it that definitely bugged me
Starting point is 02:05:02 loved it looked tasty oh my god that eating alright number 10 for me Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
Starting point is 02:05:09 did I tell you I saw that movie yeah I liked it yeah it's good I wish I loved it it's a great movie you know how much I wish I loved that movie
Starting point is 02:05:15 I think it'll come to you in your own time if they make a cut where Christopher Plummer replaces Dane DeHaan don't even talk to me about my baby Dane
Starting point is 02:05:22 he's so good in that movie I can't stand DeHaan both DeHaan and Cara Delevingne would be on my top 10. Bananas. No, you're bananas. You're a big banana. You're in his Baby Driver fruit.
Starting point is 02:05:35 I play Jamie Fah. I don't know about that. Number 10, Valerian in the City of a Thousand Planets. Number 9, Personal Shopper. Number 8, Call Me By Your Name. Number seven, Star Wars, The Last Jedi. Number six, Get Out. Number five, Lady Bird.
Starting point is 02:05:52 Number four, Dunkirk. Number three, The Florida Project. Number two, Phantom Thread. Number one, The Lost City of Zed. Nice. Yeah. Very good. Scratch my face.
Starting point is 02:06:03 That's a very good good strong list right there Lost City's been my number one all year I love that movie it's one of my favorite movies of recent times it's your Lego Batman I was just kind of like
Starting point is 02:06:12 yeah well nothing I won't like anything more than that this year like I wasn't even really worried about it and then I saw Phantom Threat
Starting point is 02:06:18 that one's the only one where I kind of had to think about like oh fuck that's so good though I'll say I also I feel like two years from now I will be stunned that I didn't put Phantom Thread as my number one. So good.
Starting point is 02:06:29 Like, because even like, Inherent Vice didn't make my 10 that year. No, Inherent Vice is a flawed movie. I like it, though. It's grown for me so much. Yeah, yeah, I like it. I just think that movie's only going to expand. Phantom Thread. But Shape of Water is just kind of like it's a very hard movie
Starting point is 02:06:45 for me to intellectualize and defend in that way. What a lot of people who enjoy the movie say. Either I feel like it totally works for you or if it doesn't work for you
Starting point is 02:06:51 you're able to throw out all the complaints you have. I kind of react to it the same way that most people including myself seem to react to Paddington. I love Paddington.
Starting point is 02:07:00 Where it's just like an incredibly well-crafted movie that reflects About Sally Hawkins having an interesting relationship with a creature. Yes. With great underwater acting. No, I just feel like it is a movie that paints with a very broad brush.
Starting point is 02:07:15 It is not super complicated in terms of what it is saying. Its heart is on its sleeve. Yeah. And it's just about trying to find the decency in people, which. And it's got a real cohesive vibe. Yeah. And I think that about trying to find the decency in people which And it's got a real cohesive vibe. Yeah. And I think that's what
Starting point is 02:07:27 like Del Toro is very good at. And here's the biggest element of the vibe and it's just like he made a movie for me specifically. I'm not saying only for me
Starting point is 02:07:35 but it's like a thing I always wanted that no one is crazy enough to bankroll which is make a children's film for grown-ups. That movie really
Starting point is 02:07:43 I compare it to pannington because it has a very similar sort of like broad primitive symbolic friend hoffner's review which one of shape of water what you said what if lilo and stitch was rated r yes yeah yeah it does it feels like that to me and i i just i love it i love it probably phantom thrower will be my favorite movie of the year a year from now but It's fine. I think it's cool. Your number one's Call Me. My number one's Call Me. I feel like it's just sometimes I feel like it's a little cliche and I feel a little self-conscious about like, oh, my favorite movie is the big gay romance.
Starting point is 02:08:14 But like, sorry, like I am what I am. Great movie. It's the most complete vision of it just puts me in a place. I think the second time I saw it, which I with you was what really sealed it i was like oh i still feel this sort of like weird floaty thing as i'm like walking out of the theater i'm like okay that's that tells me something that's everything that i like this year has been so very like rewatchable the post i'll watch a billion more times ladybird um myra with stories yes coco get out um but yeah I think Call Me By Your Name is
Starting point is 02:08:46 just does stuff with character and with place and you know leaves such a like leaves you in such a state well
Starting point is 02:08:55 those are our blank awards Ben what's up you had one more category well I was gonna say Fernand as always oh okay Fern
Starting point is 02:09:04 is that fine? I don't know what it is. He's got some secret end category. Billy Crystal comes on, makes a joke about how long the ceremony was. Right, right. Da-da-da-da-da. Driving Miss Daisy directed itself. Right, yeah.
Starting point is 02:09:16 Oh, God. Dick Clark production. Sure, sure, sure. Did Clark produce the Oscars? No, he produces the Globes. Come on, we're not big enough to get the same producers as the Oscars. We're not going to get Gil Cates to produce this. He's dead.
Starting point is 02:09:27 Well, so is Dick Clark. Dick Clark Productions. His company, the legacy lives on. No, I don't think we could get them, but I do think we could get dead Dick Clark. You know what I mean? To produce it. We can definitely get Dick Clark. With like dead Army Archer on the red carpet.
Starting point is 02:09:39 Exactly. And like the ghosts are all there. Yeah. Dead Dominic Dunn will write the expose. I think Crystal would do it too. I think he's just hurting to do a hostess show. I would wait for him to die. Okay.
Starting point is 02:09:53 Good. Anyway. Great way to end an episode with wishing for Billy Crystal's death. No, Billy. Stick around. Hey, look. We'll rip Billy hard in a future bonus episode. That is true.
Starting point is 02:10:07 And whoa, is he sexy. We're going to put him on ice. I cannot wait for the Redditors to guess and completely fail to identify what that episode could fucking be. If this isn't a My Giant episode, I am not going to be satisfied. God damn it, Joe figured it out. Okay. And there's one more bombshell I want to throw out. What? Because I forgot this was the episode where we going to be satisfied. Goddammit, Joe figured it out. There's one more bombshell I want to throw out. What? Because I forgot this was the episode
Starting point is 02:10:27 where we wanted to announce it. We get people speculating about what miniseries we're going to cover. We have to announce this. We have to announce it right here. It's true. What miniseries we're going to cover. What directors we're going to cover. People writing in requests all the time. I don't know about you, but basically now anytime I tweet about a movie or a filmmaker, at least
Starting point is 02:10:43 one person is like, oh, can we get a blank check miniseries on that? Right. Now, we're trying to bank up episodes like crazy before Tick season two starts, humble brag. No one should ever make a TV show, but I'm doing it again. And so we are going to have most of our episodes for the year saved up.
Starting point is 02:11:02 That's the plan. Well in advance. That's amazing. But the miniseries that we will be doing in October. Yeah, like way into the fall. Right. When you're back. When I'm back.
Starting point is 02:11:13 When you're back, baby. Right. It's the next one that has not been decided. We are going to do, for the first time ever, blank check March Madness. We're doing a bracket this is very up
Starting point is 02:11:28 Joe's alley a tourney bracket with 32 options that's right people that we've batted around people that the fans have demanded
Starting point is 02:11:36 no one that we don't want to cover correct so if they're not on that list that's why 32 people who we would
Starting point is 02:11:43 happily do a miniseries on and a wide range of different directors different head to head yes so it's going to be a series throughout march of head to head battles check our social media for that i believe it will be twitter polls cut out for her and just gonna do a lot of polls every day yes's going to be a lot of fucking head-to-heads. That's true. I'm super here for this, you guys.
Starting point is 02:12:07 Yeah. It's going to be fucking great. It's going to be fun. God knows who they'll pick, but we'll figure out the final 32. We'll figure it out.
Starting point is 02:12:13 I believe you have the rough list, right? I do. We have to triple confirm it. We've come up with a couple lists. We're cool with everyone. Yeah. Weirdly, even with 32,
Starting point is 02:12:21 we're leaving some big people off. Of course. But excited. There's a couple I want to to ask but I don't want to ask on air and have it be like it's fine Walt Becker's gonna win thank you all for listening please remember to rate, review, and subscribe
Starting point is 02:12:37 this episode wasn't as long as our last blankies I think we did a good job thanks to Ant for Gudo for social media thank you to Joe Bowen and Pat Reynolds for our artwork. Go to reddit.blankies.com or whatever the thing is for some real nerdy shit. And also whatever the fuck Discord is. And also check out Emily Yoshida, mother of Blankies. That's right.
Starting point is 02:13:01 We got to talk about this. She debuted her new podcast Called Night Call Maybe you guys could tell the fans a little bit more about it Well She also has co-hosts You know more than us you're the producer on it I'm talking No I'm talking
Starting point is 02:13:16 Emily is the mother of Blankies as we all know And she's going to join the Five Timers Club soon In fact spoiler alert And She has reunited with her Girls in Hoodies pals She's going to join the Five Timers Club soon, in fact. Spoiler alert. She has reunited with her Girls in Hoodies pals from back in the day. I don't know if you guys listen to Girls in Hoodies. I used to listen every week. Did you listen, Joe?
Starting point is 02:13:32 I loved it. One of my favorite podcasts. So she's with Maya Lambert. She's with Tess Lynch. And yeah, it's on our network, right? It's an audio boom. Ben's working on it. I'm the producer.
Starting point is 02:13:46 And it's a audio boom original it's called nice i'm the producer and that's a really fun show um i i hope that everyone uh gives it a listen and look if you like black check you love eeo undoubtedly oh yes yes yes yeah right and and you like hearing friends talk you like conversational podcasts of people speaking passionately about things they love. Especially pop culture and stuff, right? That's what they're talking about. They talk about pop culture, sort of like weird mysteries. Weird internet sort of oddities. Tangents.
Starting point is 02:14:13 This is a straight line. If you like this show, you're not listening to that show. You're doing it wrong. That's all I'm going to say. I agree. Taking calls too? That call? We will be taking voicemails.
Starting point is 02:14:23 Oh, sure. And we will be taking emails. Sure. Electronic mail? That's electronic mail? Can you imagine? They have the internet on computers now. Yes, they do. And I will insert that information because I don't have it in front of me. It's here.
Starting point is 02:14:41 2-4-0-4-6 night or night call podcast at Gmailmail all right ben okay great and as always my last category the um no thank you three billboards outside i'm no thank you i don't drive anymore so i'm not interested in that the The best category of theater. Murder on the Orient Express. This is like LARPing. No, thank you. LARPing.
Starting point is 02:15:09 Darkest Hour. Yeah, more like me sleeping in the theater. No, thank you. Geostorm. A Weather Machine movie. What is this? The Cold War. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:15:19 The Mount Between Us. No, no, not between me. No, no. Maybe between you, but not me. No, no, not between me. No, no. Maybe between you, but not me. No, thank you. The only person in the world making mountains between us, Joe.
Starting point is 02:15:33 And Wonder Wheel. Sure. No. No, thank you. No, thank you. And thanks to Ben for reminding me of my hot take, which I'll leave here.
Starting point is 02:15:42 Oh, no. I ask this to the listener. Would three billboards not be 25% better if Regina King played the Frances McDormand role? She'd be good. Think on that, motherfuckers. Thank you for calling the Burger Report hotline. 802-8-BURGER.
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Starting point is 02:16:36 on like ninth street and they said look into the window and tell us who that man is eating a burger because we know he's famous, but we don't know who it is. So I walk by, I look in, and I saw Danny Boyle, same director of Slumdog Millionaire, eating a burger. Hey, fellas. Long time, first time. My name is Jake Sturdivant. Hey, fellas. Long time, first time. My name is Jake Sturdivant. Just calling in with my burger report. It was July of 2010. I had moved out to LA in April of that year, so just a few months before. And the first job I got out there was at Johnny Rockets. My first day was I trained in the morning, and then they let me serve in the evening.
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