Blank Check with Griffin & David - The Third Annual Blank Check Awards with Joe Reid
Episode Date: February 4, 2018Griffin and David welcome back Joe Reid (The Decider) for the 3rd annual Blankie Awards where together they present their own personal nominations and winners for the upcoming 90th Academy Awards. Thi...s roundtable discussion looks at all the major categories, as well as, references deep cut cinema from 2017 you may have missed. Also includes original categories and reports from the Burger Reportâ„¢ hotline (802-8-BURGER). This episode is sponsored by Stamps.com.
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blank check with griffin and david blank check with griffin and david don't know what to say or
to expect all you need to know is that the name of the show is blank check oh it's a wonderful night for blankies, blankies, blankies.
Who will win?
Is that it?
You done?
Hello, I'm Billy Crystal.
I thought you were going to do that, weirdly.
I saw that in my mind's eye.
Yeah, I debated writing a full fucking song.
A song, right.
But then I realized I would only have my nominees vetted.
Yeah, that's why
you didn't do it.
That's the only reason
I didn't do it.
Remember that time
I wrote one-eighth of a rap
for a burger report?
It was great.
I got very ambitious
and then in a weird
turn of events
could not take it
to the finish line.
Hello everybody,
my name's Griffin Newman
and I never take it
to the finish line.
I'm David Sims.
I'm the Steve Martin
to your Alec Baldwin.
I mean,
you're Billy Crystal and you're Alec Baldwin, maybe. Yeah'm the Steve Martin to your Alec Baldwin. I mean, you're Billy Crystal.
And you're Alec Baldwin, maybe.
Yeah, yeah.
Martin and Crystal.
I'm the...
I guess I'm the Franco to your Hathaway.
Oh, boy.
I can't bring him up, though.
Shit.
God.
All right, anyway.
Off to a great start.
This could be a fun episode.
What a wonderful year for Hollywood. Hollywood, Hollywoodwood hollywood billy stop putting on black
face oh no yeah god uh he did that very recently 2012 yeah too too recently yeah uh sammy davis
jr you know what else he did uh the katrina jazz man yeah you know what else he did in that oscar
ceremony though he did tintin face do you remember that else he did in that Oscar ceremony, though? He did Tintin Face.
Do you remember that?
Yes, he did.
In outrage to all Belgians.
To all cartoon Belgians.
Eight-year-old man at the time?
He was the emergency, like, oh shit.
Yes.
It was Eddie Murphy and Ratner.
Yeah, Brett Ratner's a scumbag, and Eddie Murphy went down with that ship.
What a stunning turn of events.
That Brett Ratner would turn out to be a scumbag?
Yeah, especially eight years after we found out he was a scumbag.
Which was eight years after everyone...
I just showed him the Billy Crystal as Tintin.
It is...
I had forgotten that.
People complain about Tintin unfairly for hitting the Uncanny Valley,
which I think the movie stylized enough that it doesn't rub against it.
Sure, we talked about it on our Tintin episode.
But talk about Uncanny Valley.
That's literally a real human being in a wig.
And it is the most...
It activates all the same receptors in your brain
that go off when you see her rub it.
It is...
It's weird.
It's a little weird.
Tintin face.
Well, Ben,
remind me to ask Pat Reynolds
to Photoshop Billy Crystal as Tintin
into the artwork for this episode.
Great.
I'm making a note of it.
Cool.
Thank you, Producer Ben, aka the Ben Ducer, aka the Poet Laureate, aka the Haas, aka Mr.
Positive, aka Soak and Wet Benny, aka White Hot Benny, aka Dirt Bike Benny, aka the Meat
Lover, aka the Fart Detective, aka the Poet Laureate, aka the Hello Fennel.
What was the one you said, Joe?
Uh.
Oh, I did say something
in the email
I'll find the email
the Booker
the Booker
the Booker
the Booker
the Booker's a good one
he books us time slots
he does
that's his job
don't you forget it
he's also the voice of reason
he's our finest film critic
now this is one
that's going to come in
to play a lot
I think today
what's that
he's a close personal
friend of Dan Lewis
that is
that's going to be relevant this year.
That's going to be very relevant this year. And perhaps the tiebreaker.
We'll see. Yeah.
If you need my services, I'm here to help.
But Dan,
I mean, Dan knocked it out of the park.
He did. Oh, you've seen the movie?
Yeah. We'll talk about it a lot.
He sewed it out of the park.
Sewed it out of the...
Hem? Griffin, do you think I could
take a shot
at the graduated
to certain titles
please
because I feel like
I listened to enough of this
because I'll say this
I've been struggling
recently with doing them
and getting them
in the right order
I don't think I've gotten
all of them in the right order
but I feel like
I'll give it a shot
producer Ben Kenobi
Kylo Ben
Ben Night Shyamalan
Ben Sate.
Righto.
Say Benny thing.
Correct.
Ailey Benz with a dollar sign.
That's right.
100%.
Yeah.
Oh.
The Spielberg name is next.
Yeah.
Oh, Warhawks.
Warhawks, I remember.
No, I was trying to think of the Bigelow one
and I skipped right past.
Something the Fennel Maker.
Ben 19, the Fennel Maker.
That's right.
And I don't know what your
Verhoeven's gonna be. Well, we're in the middle of Verhoeven, and i don't know what your well the hoven's well
we're in the middle of our hoven so we don't know that's a spoiler but you missed nolan in between
oh that's right that's right wait what was nolan was uh purdue urbane that's right yeah great job
even though some people wanted to be haz al ghul i was on board for uh for osama bin laden
that's dead in the ground. Osama bin Hazli.
All right.
There were variations.
That was one of the things.
Look, the only reason.
You couldn't decide on one.
That was the only reason.
Some people wanted bin Hazli.
Some people wanted bin Laden.
Some people wanted Osama.
We talked about it.
And I get it.
It sort of works, right?
It fits in nicely.
But I'm not going to be associated with this leader of a terrorist group.
The demands on
this guy have really stepped up
since you guys have gotten into the fancy studio.
A hundred percent.
I won't be called Osama Bin Laden.
I know.
That's just a simple request, Joe.
Diva voice.
Is that Mariah Carey's rider that you can't
refer to her as Osama Bin Laden?
Yeah, that's probably true.
It's like only green M&Ms
and no referring to me as Osama Bin Laden.
This, of course, is our award show episode.
The Blankie Awards.
Your miniseries on the films of Mariah Carey.
Yes.
Our dear friend,
three-time guest.
We bring him in every year.
That's right.
He's a big award head like the two of us.
That's right.
Sure am.
Know him from Decider.com, ladies and gentlemen, Joe Reed.
Thank you, guys.
AKA Reading Rain Joe.
That's right.
Of all the weird Joe-based nicknames, I've never had that one, so thank you.
It's the sweatiest of all nicknames.
It is the sweatiest of all nicknames.
It flips your name backwards.
It sure does.
It's not not sweaty.
It's not not sweaty.
It flips your name backwards.
It's not not sweaty.
It's not not sweaty.
And this is our church where we pick
the finest of the year.
If we picked the winners.
Remember when Siskel and Ebert
used to have that special?
Love.
If we picked the winners,
I watched that every year.
One of those things,
when I cannot fall asleep at night,
I will pull those up and watch them.
That's true.
They're great.
I really like them.
Do you think Siskel would have
bought all those Twitter followers?
Topical references.
Topical references.
We're actually recording an episode
that's coming out the next week! You can talk
about the news. It's so rare for us. Only
episode we've recorded in four or five
months that will come out within
a week. Guys, what about
that government shutdown, though? That's amazing. Insane.
What else is going on?
Greatest Showman's killing it, as we
were saying off mic.
Frigid weather outdoors.
I don't know about you.
Very cold snap has hit New York again.
I can't wait for that episode we recorded months ago that still hasn't come out
where I believe that Flynn's testimony is going to have Trump impeached
by the time the episode comes out.
Oh, boy.
Hey, you never know.
Still hasn't come out.
Still hasn't come out.
A lot of big things going on in the news.
You hear about this?
You read about this?
Oscar Fever has got this town by the throat.
We always record this episode after the noms,
and the noms are out.
Yes, so now we can be contrary.
Sure.
To a point.
I feel like I want to ask you guys this.
Now that we have, because we're dudes who have all for years,
if not decades, made our own lists
in every category I remember doing this
for sure at least you know
middle school yeah I've done this for as
long as I've had a computer yeah I think
I've done this for 15 years now I still have old
notebooks that I'll find that have just like lists
I would go through oh yes you know what I would do
this is a little this is too dorky
I would buy those the Leonard
Malton books and i would
literally like write down i would page through it and write down every movie i had seen that's
interesting because that's too much free time i thought you were gonna do the opposite it makes
more sense to write down the list of the things you hadn't seen so you had a list across well
that's a long list yeah those books are dense yes yeah um but but we all have been doing this for a
long time but now now we have a platform.
Yes.
A platform that has grown.
That's true.
When we started doing this.
That's true.
And I wonder how much you guys feel, because it's certainly a thing that comes into my mind about, like, when I'm on the edge, you know, I have, like, I'm down to my seven contenders for my five slots.
Yeah.
contenders for my five slots.
How much I feel like, well, if this person got an Oscar
nomination, unless I feel so
strongly for them, I might
let them fall by the wayside because I feel
like it's more important to represent
the things that I feel like aren't getting attention
anywhere else. If I'm going to be talking to other people
about it, I'm not going to want to be
the 15th person to talk about
X contender or something like that.
Right, because I feel like there's some things that people are going to be
like, I can't believe he left this off his list. And it's like
doesn't mean it's not good. It was either 7
or 12 on my list. Right.
But I maybe vote to fight for my
guys, as you say. And if Mrs. McDormand ever
asks me, I'll just lie to her and say she was on my list.
Who are your guys? Oh boy, well
that's
the fun of this year. We finally get to
lock the gates on our picks
what if Maren hosted the Oscars
you'd be good
should I get a gate in here
that I can close and open
when we call it up
that would be fun
it also is like a weird year as we said
because it's like
the year of Hollywood's reckoning
yes where people are now having to acknowledge a weird year as we said because it's like uh uh the year of hollywood's reckoning yes yeah uh you
know where people are now having to like acknowledge what's been terrible about this industry and
humanity forever um but it's like we've seen like a lot of candidates from like six months ago now
become like fucking persona non grata yeah sure and it certainly like weighs into like all these
things and then I even like
putting together my list
not to turn this
into a conversation
because I certainly
don't want to talk
about this.
Right.
But like putting people
on my list and being like
that's one of the best
performances I saw this year.
I've heard rumors
about this person.
Oh boy.
You know and it's like
rumors that aren't public yet
and they're pretty
unsubstantiated
and I've only heard one
and it's like Alright, alright, alright. I'm cutting pretty unsubstantiated and I've only heard one.
That kind of stuff is like fucking it all weighs on you.
You don't want to be on the record.
I don't want to get sued.
No, I'm not going to get into it.
That's all I'm saying.
I know, off mic.
That stuff comes in.
You can say anything you want.
I'm just talking about all the deliberation process
that goes into picking.
Hey Griff, just like write it on this piece of paper for me.
Sure.
Just like let me see it.
Yeah.
Okay.
No.
What?
Oh.
In big words I, the boss baby.
Big words, big letters.
That was almost a fucking three-point shot.
Big words.
Big words.
I don't know.
Fucking awful.
But then it also, it gets into this thing of like, I don't know.
I'll sing.
Sing your song again.
Stop talking about this shit.
I'm cutting you off. I'm cutting you off.
My rubric I use this year,
I tried to apply in every category.
My phone keeps on falling down.
That's your phone.
My rubric I keep on trying to apply
to every category is,
don't intellectualize it.
Just pick the five things
that hit you the hardest.
Sure.
So that's where I was coming at
from everything.
I already asked this
question and summed it
up better.
What is it a wonderful
night for blankets?
That but also who
are your guys?
Who are my guys?
Yes.
Okay.
Joe how are you doing?
I'm doing pretty good.
Nice to have you.
Thinking about my guys.
So as always going
into that I think we
should start off with
my favorite category
and often the first
category of the night
start with best
supporting actor.
Sure that is usually what we start with. But i want to introduce one wrinkle before we crack usually
what the oscars start with this yes yes by the way this is blank check it's a podcast about
filmography directors who give massive success thank you two friends competitive advantage
sometimes they clear and sometimes they bounce baby um it is a competitive and we're constantly
content uh the one more wrinkle i want to add in are
redditors who have become wild no they're wild they're almost up to a thousand did you see that
a thousand queer mans yeah um they should maybe change that maybe yeah uh they uh had been
two threads have been running strong one is their own picks for the blankies
uh yeah which is great and the other
one was their their choices or their predictions for what you guys everyone in the thread is there
an awards daily for the blank not yet okay but we do have a wiki yes which is crazy there's the
blank hyphen check.wikia.com uh everyone which has your picks on it really they have tables with
the prior blankankie Awards.
Whoa.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The dream.
I'm living the dream right now.
There's a Joe Reed page.
Everyone in this thread, this phantom thread,
picked their five in each category.
Yeah.
And then a Reddit user, I Laugh Alone,
who we've invoked a lot,
who's our original Blankorekan.
Right?
Is that his name?
No, I don't know if I should say his real name on the show. Maybe we
bleeped that out. I don't know. Well, I mean, he's on Twitter.
I don't know. Isn't he? Yeah, I
just feel like we've had issues in the past. Fair enough.
Anyway. Anyway! Anyway.
Anyway. Anyway. Maybe we cut
all of that out, and maybe I'm not saying what I'm saying right
now. Reddit user, I Laugh
Alone, the original Blankorekan,
did us a kindness and compiled the stats from all the blankies.
So he came up with the definitive nominees for each category.
So after we each read our nominees, I'm going to read what the aggregate was.
This is good.
The other thing they've done, which I will say for the end of the episode.
Okay.
Wait, how does he know?
Is he giving you this later?
What do you mean?
Okay. How does he know the aggregate of our nominees as of no as of their nominees oh okay okay i see now
all the redditors now they're five he aggregated picked the five consensus choices okay fine
you do a preferential ballot i don't know what he did i don't know what he did everything in the
piles the second thing they did which i'll say for the end of the episode, is they created a new set
of awards called the Bennys
that are sort of superlatives
outside of regular categories
that mirror Ben's nickname.
So we'll save that
for the real award.
This is going to be
a long episode.
This is going to be
a five-hour episode.
Ladies and gentlemen,
our first category tonight
is Best Supporting Actor.
Who won our
Best Supporting Actress
last year?
My Best Supporting Actress last year was My Best Supporting Actress last year was
Lily Gladstone for Certain Women.
Mine was Kate McKinnon for Ghostbusters.
Mine might have been Greta Gerwig
for 20th Century Women.
I think that's correct.
So they're now presenting together.
Okay.
Hello, everybody.
The Best Supporting Actor.
And Griff's nominees are...
Okay.
This is the toughest one.
Oh, jeez
You're leading off
And you're like
Oh boy I don't know
Fuck
I hate that I'm gonna have to
I'm gonna do it
Okay ready
Griff's nominees are
Sure
And this is Kate McKinnon
Announcing them
Ghostbusters
Griff's nominees are
Patrick Stewart and Logan
Sure
You've praised him before
Angus McFadden
in The Lost City of Z
interesting
it's a very good performance
Willem
da Friend of Good Cinema
for
The Florida Project
Willem da Friend of Mooney
Ricky Jenks
for The Shape of Water
and then balancing
on the edge of a coin here
Mickey Stuhlbarg
for Call Me By Your Name.
Those are my five.
Greta Gerwig takes to the mic.
So, alright, my supporting actor nominees
in alphabetical order
as is dictated by the rules.
Agreed.
Willem Dafoe in The Florida Project.
Alright, this is a twofer from
the same movie. Okay.
Lucas Hedges from Lady Bird.
Tracy Letts
from Lady Bird. Really strong choice.
Tracy Letts gets that little like parentheses
also the post.
You can't give him supporting for The Lovers.
He's also very good in The Lovers.
Jason Mitchell for Mudbound. And Michael Stuhlbarg Also The Post. Also. You can't give him supporting for The Lovers. The Lovers is elite. He's also very good on The Lovers. He is.
Jason Mitchell for Mudbound.
And Michael Stuhlbarg
for Call Me By Your Name.
And now
Lily Gladstone
steps up to the mic.
In a quiet
and reserved
but still like
deeply powerful
announcement.
Yeah.
Nominees for Best Supporting Actor.
I guess I'll do it in
I'm not going to do
an alphabetic order
because I feel like
it's more fun to say the obvious ones first
Willem Dafoe in The Florida Project
Michael Stuhlbarg in Call Me By Your Name
Jason Mitchell in Mudbound
Adam Driver
in Star Wars The Last Jedi
and Michael Cera in Molly's Game
I love all of those
I do too
I'm keeping some guys out who did great work like Jenkins who I love all of those, David. I do too. Those are my picks. Now, I'm glad that- Now, I'm keeping some guys out who did great work, like Jenkins and stuff, who I love.
Yeah.
I'm glad I calculated correctly, because I felt bad about leaving both Driver and Sarah on,
but I had a feeling you were going to cover both.
You felt right.
Sarah also just had a strong fucking year in general.
Sure.
I mean, he was in Twin Peaks.
What else was he in?
He's so good in the lego batman correct
great he can't even get really the standout of like not to jump the gun but my favorite voice
over performance of the year so wonderful very good and lemon as well i don't know if you saw
lemon no i haven't seen lemon but it's on my catch-up list emily ashita was a big fan of
lemon she was telling me to watch it's in my pile of magnolia screeners yeah that i have that like
and it's just that's the pile that that comes with a rubber band around it.
And it's so like...
It's no frill, so it's just like...
It's the disc in a little envelope, so there's no cover.
There's no nothing, so you don't know...
If you don't know anything about these movies offhand,
you don't know what they are.
He was also good in Person to Person,
which is a little indie movie I saw this year that I enjoyed.
He did, and he's got some stuff coming up next year that's exciting.
So I'm sort of happy to have Sarah back.
But he's such a good sleaze in Molly's Game.
I think, well, I guess we're starting with this.
I'm just happy for him to be doing, like, you know,
the legacy of Michael Cera is he has this year where he blows up
and represents this thing, and almost immediately the knives come out.
Right, and he's fleeing.
He's like, I don't want any part of this.
He openly, like, he kind of, like, finished out his, like like dance card of the movie she signed up right after supernova's and uh
youth and revolts scott pilgrim was the last of those i think one of the reasons scott pilgrim
flopped upon release was that this backlash was in full effect yeah and then kind of backed off
and has been doing you know a couple sebastian silva movies some voiceover but not doing much
and it feels like this is the year especially mo's Game, for him to be in a larger film.
I want him back.
He's such a fucking good actor.
This is my argument for him in Molly's Game too
because I think he has a great perspective on stardom
that makes, like, because he's playing,
he's supposedly playing Tobey Maguire
or some sort of composite with a lot of Tobey Maguire in it.
Sure.
He's playing Celebrity X or whatever he's called.
Player X. Player X, that's it very smart casting uh and rather than play the guy as like you know someone
who's like full he plays it like someone like who like loves to see people on a knife edge in front
of him and is like manipulative but like enjoys just sort of the thrill of someone being like
debased for his pleasure yes which is not not to defame here but the accounts of someone being like debased for his pleasure. Yes, which is not
to defame here, but the
accounts of Tobey Maguire, that was what was kind of
fascinating about him
above all the other
famos who were part of the
Molly's Game. He didn't want the money. He didn't even really
need to win. He needed to be in control.
He wanted to break people. But also that he
used his vulnerability. That he had this puppy
dog gentle quality. This fragility, as Eddie Redmayne would say, that he used his vulnerability. That he had this puppy dog gentle quality. This fragility
as Eddie Redmayne would say.
That he used to lure people in
and slam them down.
Threatening on the surface.
I'm going to keep us moving because we do have a lot of nominees.
Adam Driver, I've talked about that performance a lot in the past.
How much I loved it. For me, he got edged out only because
I couldn't decide whether placement or leader supporting.
I think he's the supporting part.
I think that works. I think he's the supporting part. I think the lead...
I think that works.
I think that's fair.
Yeah.
He's, you know,
he doesn't quite have his own storyline in them.
You know, like,
the storylines belong to
John Boyega and Daisy Ridley,
and, honestly, to a lesser extent,
Oscar Isaac.
Like, the three storylines.
Yeah.
And he will sort of butt into Daisy Ridley,
but you don't go to him.
It's a very ensemble-y movie.
It is.
It's so fragmented in terms of narrative. I don't know if anyone really has a lead amount of screen time. Let's talk about... I can imagine Daisy Ridley. It's a very ensemble-y movie. It's so fragmented in terms of narrative. I don't know if anyone
really has a lead amount of screen time.
I can imagine Daisy Ridley does,
but maybe not. I'd be interested to see
that, like some kind of breakdown.
Let's talk about the two guys that
were on all three of our lists. The only two.
Defoe and Stolberg, I'm assuming?
Dads on dads.
I mean, Stolberg just has the MVP award
for this year. You mean just quantity, like consistent work in many movies. Right. I mean Stahlberg just has the MVP award for this year You mean just quantity
like consistent work
in many movies
Right
I mean the other guys
who fall into that
Sarah as we've mentioned
I think also
Caleb Landry Jones
who's a little more divisive
in terms of how effective
he is in those movies
I think he's great
I like him a lot
I like him in Get Out
I think he's really
fucking good in American Made
Oh I haven't seen
American Made
In American Made
he's playing to, the Ben Foster role
where, have you guys seen Hostiles?
No. Parts of Hostiles.
So there's this part in Hostiles where
they get to a camp
and Christian Bale's leading his regiment
and the guy's like, oh, how you doing? Could you take this
prisoner to the next town?
And he brings out Ben Foster.
This is all I need to hear to never see this movie.
You're screaming, you're like, don't take Ben Foster.
Bad idea.
That guy's going to go crazy.
And Caleb Laundrie Jones has that same,
I'm going to call him that from now on.
Sure.
He has that same,
where he shows up and you're like,
no, he's trouble.
Take him out back and shoot him.
Tom Cruise, do not involve him in your business.
He's like wearing a Metallica t-shirt
with the sleeves cut off or something.
Just look at him. You know he's bad news.
He could play Ben Hosley in Ben the Ben Hosley.
He could 100%. I will say this.
Really? Well, he's...
Watch American Maiden. He's a red-headed guy.
He's a little rangy.
And he's more pale and freckly than you.
And he's got kind of crazy eyes.
He's just one of those, you just don't know what he's going to do next.
He would actually be my casting choice. I think he'd win the Oscar.
It would revolve some reaching.
I don't think he's ever shown the
warmth and integrity of character that you have.
I think he did a little bit in The Florida Project.
Close. You know, it would have to be
a sort of Sean Penn in Milk for him to be able to
pull you off. And they get him
in and out of The Florida Project with like
extreme swiftness.
I think his part in The Florida Project... He doesn't have enough time to creep you out.
His part in that movie is just like to remind you that Willem Dafoe is not
like stuck here.
Right.
Like he,
he has another life he could leave.
Right.
I'll just say this one note about,
uh,
an actor.
We have not nominated Caleb laundry bag in American made.
Um,
because it is,
it's a hammy performance.
But I also think, I went up for that role.
Oh, did you?
And that role is like 75% invented by him.
Not that I would change the dialogue,
but how the character was...
So this is a behind-the-scenes pick.
It's a little biased in that sense,
but in terms of how the role was written
and how the real guy was, I think he turned it into something
a lot more interesting.
But anyway, we didn't nominate him.
He's just fucking
solid as a rock. A picture of decency.
You wouldn't always say that about a Willem Dafoe
character, which is what also
makes me so impressed by it. Talked a lot about how hard
it is to play decent people.
He's the last guy you expect to be able to do
it that well. But he's not like
sad decent. You don't ever
really feel bad for the character. You're just sort of like, oh, I'm glad he's here. I. But he's not like sad decent. You don't ever just, you don't really feel bad for the character.
You're just sort of like,
oh, I'm glad he's here.
I'm glad he's,
I'm glad he's around.
You're always glad that he's on screen.
And he's an audience surrogate in the best way
where he's not someone I'm supposed to glom onto,
but more someone where I'm like,
oh, there are more perspectives going on here.
Because you're watching the movie
for the first 20 minutes
and you're like,
this girl is running wild.
Like, I love it, but like, what the fuck is this? He's the heart watching the movie for the first 20 minutes and you're like, this girl is running wild. I love it, but what the fuck is this?
He's the heart of the movie.
As much of a cliche as it is to say.
And it is.
It's very difficult, I think,
to be that much of an established actor,
work with non-professional actors,
and not stick out like a sore thumb.
In a way, not make them look bad.
He's got a lot of Ginger Rogers-ing to do
in that role. The best thing I heard someone say about lot of ginger rogersing to do in that role the
best thing i heard someone say about him i forget who it was but after uh seeing the movie at the
new york film festival someone said uh the thing that's stunning about it is he's stripped away
almost every element of what we associate with being willem dafoe's star persona but still makes
himself the most compelling person on screen yeah solberglbarg? I mean, just fucking take it home.
It's like a Beatrice Strait performance.
I will maybe push back about that a little bit.
He's in it more.
And it's not just that one scene.
I agree.
I like him in the other scenes.
In all those other scenes.
The scene where he's, there's a scene in the movie where he's going through,
because Armie Hammer plays not his student but a student yes
who has come to sort of stay with him but also sort of learn from him right and stuhlbarg is
going through this like uh slideshow of i love this is my favorite sculptures of like you know
art and they're talking about how erotic it is and how athletic right and stuhlbarg walks this line
of and it's this thing he does in that last scene too where it's just like how much does this guy know right it's this plausibly knowing but plausibly completely like plastic and innocent
but he's like sort of underlining these points of about like attraction uh in the movie and it's
very smartly scripted but i think stool art plays it so well he's such a person in those movies
when he could just be like dad yeah and like instead it's a full body character
I've seen that movie a lot
like there's the scene
where he's like
you know what
I'm gonna take a swim
like things that don't need
to be in the movie
I love at the end
when he's
on the phone
and they
well should I spoil
maybe I won't spoil it
I'll say
cause only three people
in the country
have seen it apparently
now because
Sony Pictures Classics
doesn't have their
shit together
I compare him to Beatrice Strait
only in that
he's got that
just fucking
like
finale pocket drop
killer scene
like grab you by the heartstrings
kind of thing.
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Oh no.
No.
It's fine.
He'd have to transform himself.
He's more methed out than you.
Like no question. He's a lot of methed out than you. Like, no question.
He's a lot of methed out guys.
I like gritty.
But like, here, just show more rad.
Yeah, I was going to say, what movie are you looking at him in?
Because that also makes a difference.
The American Made was the one he summoned.
Oh, no.
Come on.
Look, he's a fucking cool punk dude.
He's giving the finger on the red carpet.
Like that.
We got gotta add this
to the blank pictures
alright
it's late
the thing I was gonna say
about him is
he's you know
he's kind of like
Benicio Del Toro
and Sicario
where what's beautiful
about it is
he's kind of just like
laying in wait
for most of the movie
to really kind of pounce
sure
but everything he does
up until that point
is still
it's building out
you know
the scene wouldn't work
were he not but then that monologue is the equivalent of you know, like the scene wouldn't work where he not,
you know,
but then that monologue is the equivalent of like,
and I'm telling you,
I'm not going like,
it's essentially like a Broadway ballad.
It's also just through dialogue.
It is such a feat in any movie,
even like an arty indie movie to demand silence from your audience and your
movie for you to talk.
Yeah.
Because the longer you do it,
the more people are like this seems fake
like you know he's talking too long this is fake it's a monologue i'm gonna play you know what i
mean and he doesn't ever uh let that happen and if you look at the can't believe he wasn't number
eight for us i know it's so stupid if you look i i think it's a tough category i mean no questions
very stacked still and i and i think the hammer category placement fucked him. Well, yes.
Yeah.
But if you look at the written monologue in the script, it's a lot shorter than you think it is.
In terms of what's actually being said because it's not just dramatic pauses for the sake of dramatic pauses.
He plays so well, a man considering every word carefully.
Yeah.
Which takes time.
But he earns it.
I read that book after it had premiered at Sundance.
I didn't see it at Sundance.
I wasn't at Sundance.
But I knew the actors who were in the movie.
So you read a post-premier but pre-use. You knew who was in it but you hadn't.
And it was pre-post.
And I knew that Stuhlbarg was getting.
Don't get me hung up on pre-post.
I can't do it no keep going i knew that stuhlbarg was getting a lot of good reviews for this monologue
near the end of the book so once i got to that point i'm like oh this has got to be it yeah and
so reading that and you're reading it in the book and like it really like it affects you emotionally
and then but i was going into the movie i'm like well i wonder now that i've read this and i've
experienced this it won't be new to me I wonder if it'll get to me
the way it was
and I saw it
at TIFF
with sitting next to
David
first movie I saw at TIFF
and our friend Katie Rich
and I'm just like
I mean it's not a new story
to be like
weeping crying at that scene
but like
holy gosh
and then the ending
is just so great
it's sort of the way
it washes over you
but anyway
we gotta keep moving
who are some other people
we wanna talk about?
Ricky Jenks is my favorite.
There's not much to say.
It's just like one of the most emotionally
effective performances.
It's another heart of the movie
performance in a way.
But I think
that's such a tough character
to make a caricature.
You know,
this sort of like sad,
older gay guy.
You know what I mean?
And he doesn't do it
in a way that feels
like something you've done
And the scene where he has to
verbalize what Sally Hawkins
is signing to him is kind of a magic
trick in terms of... It's a total magic trick.
I just remember Del Toro
talking about the scripting
of that scene where he's like,
it was so hard to find a way
to get that
because it wouldn't make any sense for him to say what
she's signing because he understands what she's signing.
And I just had this idea where it's like
no, she needs to know that he
hears it. And by saying it
that's how she knows. He's also one of my
ultimate guys. You talk about who are your guys.
He's the best. He's a god.
He's the god and
there was a thread. Was he on your list?
He wasn't. He would have been my top ten.
I'm very glad he got an Oscar.
I had to put him in there.
And after we did the Shape of Water episode, not the shape.
Yes.
No, the Weight of Water episode with Karen Han, there was a thread on the Reddit.
We now know how much it weighs and is what shape it is.
You know a lot about water at this point.
I really kind of backed water into a corner.
Can't wait for the sound of water.
Narrowing it down.
Yeah.
The look of water.
There was a thread after the Karen's Boys thing about like, what is your type?
In the way that Karen defined what her type of person is.
And my ultimate type is best embodied by Richard Jenkins now, which is like super frazzled, haggard looking man of surprising sensitivity.
Yeah.
of surprising sensitivity.
Yeah. There was the one
day at Toronto
I was standing in line with Esther
and Esther Zuckerman and Matt Jacobs
and Oliver
Whitney and we were talking about
They're a little threesome. Yeah.
They're so fun to run into at
all of these events. They're a good group.
But we were talking about because we had just seen Florida
Project and something else and we were talking about the oscar contenders and we're like defoe
defoe stuhlbarg jenkins were all the ones getting the oscar bots and i'm like what a great
like what a great dad like jenkins isn't a dad but he like has a dad vibe towards sally hawkins
well right that we we didn't really i didn't really see it coming at that point.
But like it was those three and I'm like, this is a really good year for supporting actor dads.
Because just missing my list was Ray Romano in The Big Sick.
Super fucking strong.
Great dad character.
What did you do?
Yeah.
What did you do?
I'll say if I can quickly.
Yeah.
The Blinkies, their nominees in the category of Best Supporting Actor were...
Willem Dafoe for The Florida Project,
Michael Stolberg for Calling By Your Name,
Ray Romano for Big Sick,
Patrick Stewart for Logan,
and Michael Fassbender for Alien Covenant.
Great performance.
And my only problem with that is it's a lead.
I agree.
The thing is you can say that he gave a supporting performance in the movie
because he gives two performances, but that's a little tricky.
He's the leader of the movie.
He's in almost every scene.
Cool consensus choices.
I love those choices.
So Stuart and Logan, you talked about it actually.
Yeah, I'm not going to talk about it that much more.
I'll say the thing I sum up about it, why it works so well for me,
it's one of the few performances of a character dying, right?
This is a man slowly
dying. His brain's been dying for a while.
Where I think
he fully
embraces the
ugliness and the fear of death.
I think often it
is played kind of cutesy or sentimental
and it is a very
disturbing performance for me
in how much fear you can see
in him losing control
of himself
who was your other nominee?
the last guy for me to talk about, Angus McFadden
that's a good pick
that performance jumped out to me from the moment I saw it
I think it's a hilarious performance
he plays for people like the sort of puffed up
explorer guy who goes with them on the second
expedition and turns out to be a total waste of space
and the first couple scenes
where he's just boasting
at these dinner parties
and making these speeches
I was like
this guy's probably
going to get in for me
he was with Shackleton's
expedition or something
he was like the number two
on that one
he's got a big beard
and like a big quaffed mustache
and he's the mean
grumpy zookeeper
from We Bought a Zoo
he's in We Bought a Zoo
he's in Braveheart
all those years ago
he's like a
you know round he's like a, you know, round.
He's like a character. But I was like,
this is totally my kind of
character actor performance
of really funny blowhard.
But then once he shows up
on the trip
and can't carry his weight
but continues to play it
like he's the hero
of the movie.
He's like,
I'm doing great.
Because there's that scene
where he's like on his back
and he's like eating
all the food or something
and he's also like
spilled something
in the rations
and you're like,
and Hunnam's like,
what are you doing?
He's like, this is your fault.
He's so funny.
And then you see him again afterwards
and he's like
you guys practically murdered me out there.
And he thinks he's in Mutiny on the Bounty.
He thinks it's a heroic story.
I just also
think if I were
he may be mentioned later so I decided to keep
him off but Robert Pattinson is wonderful in that movie.
In one of those things where like 10 minutes in, you're like, oh, wait, that's Robert Pattinson in that big beard.
And he's so, so quiet and so like authoritative and steady.
I'll say, as you've implied, McFadden gets in over Pattinson for me because Pattinson might get discussed later.
I have him jotted down to discuss later.
And I wonder if we're all
on the same page.
So,
our winners are?
No, no.
I want a couple more people
to talk about.
Come on.
We both had Jason Mitchell.
We both had Jason Mitchell
who I think is
the standout.
I think that's a fantastic cast
in Mudbound.
It's a good cast.
He's the best one.
He's the one I think
the movie should be about
if that's my complaint
about the movie
is that it's got a lot of things. He's so good in that movie. He's really good. I think the movie should be about if that's my complaint about the movie you know is that like it's got a lot of things I get that he's so good in that movie he's really good I think I would
maybe agree with that more if I didn't also really love the Carey Mulligan character but it's I feel
like I got like two-thirds of a movie from each of them you know one of the only movies I've ever
seen where I actually think the argument that it should have been a miniseries is valid because I wish I
could have gotten like a full fucking episode
on each character. That's fair.
Did you have anyone else, Joe? I had the two Lady Bird
guys. I had Tracy Letts
and Lucas Hedges. Hedges in that
breakdown scene is phenomenal.
He's great, but he's perfect in such, like
the scene where he auditions with Giants
in the Sky is both
funny, the cut to it, everything in that scene
is funny. Every cut to every song
is perfect. But he's so
earnest
teenage musical
auditioning kid.
And even the earnestness of when they're together, the scene
in the field where he doesn't want to touch his boobs.
Where they're naming the star.
I think that movie asks so much of his actors
because it's so short and it's so fizzy
so it's like
when Hedges pops up
we need to get
his whole character
in 30 seconds
and you really do
and the same with
Chalamet
and the same with
all those smaller characters
and like
Steven Henderson
I was gonna say
Steven Henderson
if he had two more minutes
of screen time
would have made my five
if the SAG award
was voted on
they do the crying audition
go on sorry
if the SAG ensemble award
was actually like
the best ensemble and not just like.
That's fucking it.
What everybody was.
That's the best ensemble of the year.
Agreed.
And Tracy Letts is the boss bitch.
We've talked about it.
He's a boss bitch.
He's a boss bitch.
I interviewed him and he was lovely.
Did you really?
Breaking news.
That's wonderful.
Our winners.
Okay.
My winner is Patrick Stewart and Logan.
I'm sticking by it.
I can't believe I'm not affected by that performance, especially since I'm not crazy about the movie,
which I can now say again because-
I'm kind of not crazy about the movie either.
You can say it again because you're not auditioning for a Mangold project.
Yeah, congrats.
But I talked shit about the movie.
Then I really wanted to get cast in a James Mangold movie and the movie got canceled.
Definitely the best performance in a movie that's secretly a Western.
It is.
It wins that. David, tell me more. We can't. It's secretly Western. It wins that.
David, tell me more.
It's too hot.
It's too off the record.
It's a fucking secret.
Off the record.
Your winner, Joe Reed.
My winner is Michael Stuhlbarg.
Yeah, fucking killer.
I think he's the best.
He's the best.
And I think I know where David's going with this.
My winner is Willem Dafoe.
And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, let me double check this,
the Blanky community also picked Willem Dafoe. And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, let me double check this, the blankie community also picked Willem Dafoe.
That's my performance of the year.
And the minute I saw it, I was like, I think that would,
like if you asked me to pick like best actor, no gender,
no supporting versus lead, he would be my winner.
Yeah.
Love that performance.
Okay.
I guess it's time to go on to the next category.
Oh, hey, Joe.
Hey.
Get the door for me, please.
All right.
I'll get the door.
Thank you.
Hi, everybody.
Hi.
You probably can't see me because I'm standing at an angle.
Wait.
Are you a two-dimensional person?
It's me, Flat Stanley.
Okay.
All right.
From Flatland?
No. This. Really? I don't know who you are. Flat Stanley Okay Alright From Flatland No this
Really
I don't know who you are
I feel like this is a very
Accessible reference
Flat Stanley
Popular children's book
Character
Is this really
Oh yeah
This isn't landing at all
I remember you
I think I had you
Big deal
Like yeah
Yeah
Boy he gets flattened
Has to send himself
In the mail to see people
Oh Okay Wait what I might have a guess Yeah. Boy, he gets flattened. Has to send himself in the mail to see people.
Oh, okay.
I might have a guess as to what you're here to talk to me about.
Well, as you know, I live right next door to the Audioboom Studios.
Sure.
So you flapped on over.
One apartment over.
Now, I got to send myself places when I want to get places, which is pretty nice.
It saves money on travel, right?
But the problem is, I'm to get places. Which is pretty nice. It saves money on travel. Right? But the problem is,
I'm lazy.
Okay.
I don't like to leave this building.
Well,
so you're flat.
Hard for you to move around.
Exactly.
Thank you.
The whipping winds.
Yeah.
The New York winter.
Yeah.
It's what we all take for granted.
We can just walk the place.
Right.
So I've been going to every other office in this building,
knocking on the doors,
asking if anyone knows a better way for me to not leave my home, but also get myself shipped out in the mail.
Well, you know how you can get anything online or on demand, you know, anything these days.
I've heard rumors, sure.
Well, do you know you can even get postage on demand with stamps.com?
What?
You can print real U.S. postage with stamps.com for any letter or package right from your home or right from your office.
Let's say I have a desk in the corner of my living room.
Sure.
Could I print it from there?
You can print it 24 hours a day, seven days a week, whenever you want.
That sounds incredible.
They'll even send you a digital scale so that you can weigh your letters and packages and print the right amount of postage every time so you're not paying too much.
God, I hate stepping on that scale. You what i'm saying it's even for flat people no it can kind of come and be you know relatable it's true i'm just trying to relate to you guys because i really
thought you'd all know me by reputation i actually had a flat stanley book as a kid i think everyone
did i'm not trying to pat myself on the back but i'm a very very popular character stand stand
chill out look will it chill you out if i tell you that it's so easy to use stamps.com.
You just click, you print, and then you mail and you're done.
It's a no brainer.
Yeah, I mean, that does calm me down.
It'll save you so much time.
You can access all the services of the post office right from your desk.
It's never been easier to send out your letters and packages.
You just have to understand my frustration stems from the fact
that I am a now adult version of a children's book character.
I'm with you, Stan.
So my career is kind of done.
Right.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Well, that's why you need to mail your resume out a lot.
Right?
That as well.
Yeah.
I mean, more, you know, trying to mail myself out, but it's, I mean, you know.
Sure.
No one's writing books about old flat Stan anymore.
If you want to mail yourself out, you step on the scale and you print out the postage you need using stamps.com
and then you can, you know,
get yourself wherever you want to go.
Everyone likes a flat guy when he looks like Jacob Tremblay.
Once he starts looking like flat Dennis Franz,
suddenly the offers start drying up, you know?
So it'd be nice to be able to save money,
you know? Well, at Blank Check, we're all
really busy, so we rely on stamps.com
to print out shipping labels so we can send out
our prizes and all our mail and it couldn't be easier.
I'm very close to being convinced, but I would
love to hear some sort of offer.
If I could get a special offer, I mean,
I don't want to sound greedy. Okay, well, we have a special
offer with stamps.com
for our listeners that include a
four-week free trial, plus
postage, and a digital scale.
No long-term commitments. You just have
to go to stamps.com.
You click on the microphone at the top of the homepage and you type in check.
Okay.
So I check to make sure that I've typed in something at the box.
And what is the thing I type in?
Uh,
check.
Oh,
great.
That's stamps.com.
Enter check.
Wait a second.
And you get four week trial plus postage and a free digital scale.
No long-term commitments.
Wait,
Ben,
did they just turn on the AC in here?
Oh yeah. Let's get him out of here. Let's get him out. Oh, there he goes. All right-term commitments. Wait, Ben. Did they just turn on the AC in here? Oh, yeah.
Let's get him out of here.
Let's get him out.
Oh, there he goes.
All right.
All right.
Griffin, you were weirdly quiet for all that.
Did he frighten you?
I'm starstruck.
You keep fucking flat Stanley?
Are you kidding me?
That guy's massive.
Best supporting actress?
Best supporting actress.
I'm down.
I'm ready.
And I guess our winners from last year come out to present the award.
Oh, sure. My winner last year was Mahershala Ali.
Oh, you and the Academy.
My winner last year was also Mahershala Ali.
I think you had a different one.
I did. I had Alden Ehrenreich for Hail Caesar.
Who was my number two.
Han Solo himself.
And it's two Mahershalas and Alden Ehrenreich coming out to present.
Oh, God. And we're all like, hey, Alden, how's Han Solo going? No comment from Alden and we're coming out to present oh god and we're all like hey Alden
how's Han Solo going no comment
from Alden I feel like
Alden is under embargo and also
yeah I hope he
aren't we all very excited for that movie
I hope he crushes it too but
it's gone from a movie where I'm like well look
I think it's gonna be fine it'll probably be a little
routine because Ron Howard had to
pick up the pieces there.
To me being like,
is this a disaster?
How is there nothing?
How have we not seen a thing?
The portents are bad.
And Alden is currently standing on stage
butting his nails
because we won't stop talking
about this in front of him.
Sorry, Alden.
It's weird of Billy Crystal
to go on and on
about how bad
the Han Solo movie looks.
Han Solo?
More like Han Solo.
And now Alden Amrick steps up to the mic
to announce Joe Reed's Best Supporting
Actress nomination. Best Supporting Actress.
Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role.
Tiffany Haddish in Girls Trip.
Sylvia Hoax?
Am I pronouncing that right?
In Blade Runner 2049.
Leslie Manville in Phantom Thread.
Elizabeth Marvel in The Meyerowitz Story.
Joel!
That's a Joe pick.
That's a Joe pick!
That's a real Joe pick.
That's what it is.
And Laurie Metcalf in Lady Bird.
Sure.
All right, Mahershala number one, we'll say.
Mahershala, Lee steps up to the mic.
Okay.
And with a commanding but powerful silence and stoicism,
says the nominees are Holly Hunter in The Big Sick,
Ella Rumpf in Raw.
That's such a good pick.
Fucking thank you.
Such a good pick.
I'm going to mess up her name, but Bria Venite.
Yeah, Venate.
I'm not sure how you say her last name.
In The Florida Project.
I support you with that.
Lori Metcalf in Lady Bird.
And my fifth nominee is Connie Britton in Beatrice at Dinner.
That's another good pick.
Fuck the world.
I just want you to look and see what my sixth place best supporting actress choice is. Ella Rompenbrough.
That's a really good pick.
My nominees are Sienna Miller in The Lost City of Zed.
Cool.
David Pick.
Laurie Metcalf in Lady Bird.
Leslie Manville in Phantom Thread.
Catherine Keener in Get Out.
And Tatiana Maslany in Stronger.
That's also a very good David Pick.
Wonderful performance.
I voted for at a certain Critics Awards.
At a certain Critics Awards that we can't talk about.
So let's talk about Metcalfe first
since she's the one we all share.
She's also, well, no, okay.
Here's the thing about Laurie Metcalfe.
She's a very good actor.
Very true.
And I feel like for very long she's been under-recognized
despite being this legend of theater,
a fucking 75-time Emmy award winner. She almost never
does a movie. She hasn't done a movie in like 15 years.
I had friends over a couple weekends ago
and we were going to watch something else but we
sort of had some down time. So I was like hey guys you want to watch
the Laurie Metcalf scenes in JFK?
And I said it as a joke and they were like no we have to
watch the Laurie Metcalf scenes in JFK.
She's so good. She's one of the
Susie Cox right? She's Archie Cox's
Wait is she a person? No keep talking I can't remember. She's one of the. Susie Cox, right? Yes. Archie Cox is. Right. Yeah. Wait, is she a person?
No, keep talking.
I can't remember.
She's one of Kevin Costner's like investigators.
Right.
Sure.
She comes back.
She is a real person.
There are two scenes where she comes back with like her findings on the Oswald stuff.
And as everybody does in that movie has this like real corn-pone Louisiana accent that nobody really has down.
But she's making the most of it.
And it's all exposition.
That movie does such good stuff with exposition.
And she just makes it sing.
And Lady Bird, she does all of that,
and yet also gives this lived-in,
finding all the nooks and crannies of this woman.
It's just clear. She's invisible a, it's just like clear.
She's like invisible.
It's an authoritative performance.
Yeah.
And she makes it look
so fucking easy.
You never sense effort
from Laurie Metcalf
to communicate something.
Not even when she's,
she's got crying scenes,
she's got yelling scenes.
Like,
it's not,
it's not like it's a small performance at all.
Yeah.
She's playing a huge personality.
Right.
Like,
this immense personality
that is clashing up against her daughter, who's another immense personality. I mean, it's the second best mother role she's ever personality. Right. Like this immense personality that is clashing up against her daughter
who's another immense personality.
I mean,
it's the second best mother role
she's ever played.
Yeah.
In the Toy Story trilogy.
I was waiting.
I was just waiting for that.
I believe she's going to be
in Toy Story 4.
She's listed.
That's also a character
that's also a character
who other characters
talk about a lot.
And those characters
can sometimes feel like
the expectations
that the characters talking about them
the acting can't always live
up to it and this one
obviously does. Flat Stanley.
I was starstruck.
I don't know. I think that totally
tracks and everyone's going to really like it.
Did we have any others shared?
Manville was on mine and Joe's.
I mean she's in my 6 through 10.
It was just about fighting for my people.
She is.
I agree with that.
Tiffany Haddish.
Great performance.
I'll tell you why I left her off.
It's because you love Regina King so much.
Regina Hall.
Sorry, Regina Hall.
Excuse me.
Regina Hall.
Regina Hall.
Yes.
I mean, you do love Regina King.
I love both of them.
Yeah, exactly.
And no lies.
Regina King will be coming up later in this episode when I ask a very loaded question.
Oh.
Get ready for it.
Don't like the sound of that.
No, you're going to like it.
You're going to like it, and I'm going to look really smart, and I'm going to win a Nobel Prize.
Okay.
My complaint, and it's not fair because it's on the movie and it's not her.
Sure.
and it's not fair because it's on the movie
and it's not her.
Sure.
I think the one emotional scene
they try to give her
is the weakest scene in the movie
in terms of how it's written.
Sure.
I think that scene doesn't fucking work.
Yeah, that's fair.
And I think they're trying to build
a sort of basement on the character
in the way they do with Bridesmaids.
Yeah.
The sort of emotional scene.
Yeah.
And it dings the performance for me
a little bit in a way
that isn't on her,
but it somehow loses
a little bit of shine for me.
I think that's...
It probably would have been my six.
I think, yes.
And I think that's fair.
I think the fact that
any time there's a performance
that elevates a movie
to that degree,
you've got to get back.
And it was such a
star is born performance.
Yeah.
Even though I had loved her
in like the Carmichael show.
It's not like she was anonymous.
She's great in Keanu,
but it was still like,
oh, wow.
100%. She just fucking owns that movie. And it's the bestanu, but it was still like, oh, wow. 100%.
She just fucking owns that movie
and it's the best comedic performance
of the year, no question.
Absolutely.
But Manville rules.
She's almost as funny
as Tiffany Haddish.
I'm so glad she got nominated
just because
I couldn't believe
that she got nominated, kind of.
We'll get that clip of her.
Don't you pick a fight with me.
Don't you pick a fight with me.
Ben and I were talking
before the podcast
about how I was sort of
middling on Phantom Thread
but man
everything that Manville
does in that movie I love
I'm biggling on
Phantom Thread
you are
big
you know that
adjective we always use
is biggling
and then we just had
a bunch of randos
so
Ella Rumpf
is just one of the
she's the sister
she's the sister
in Raw
and it's an incredible performance of confidence and hedonism.
Yeah, she's good.
You know, she's just having so much fun doing such outrageous things.
There's an element of just her being so fucking captivating.
Like, she's a very charismatic, engaging...
Well, that character has to be the girl that the younger sister looks up to.
Yes.
And yet has to be fallible because of everything that
happens.
No.
I kind of feel like you
would like it.
Yeah.
Because it's about a bunch
of punk teens college kids
but then also they're eating
each other.
Or veterinary students.
What?
Talk more about it.
Eating each other.
Later.
Eating each other?
There's some cannibalism
We'll talk more about it
later.
Chill out.
Jesus.
Who else was on your list?
Who else was on my list? Who else was on my list?
Connie Britton.
She's great in that movie.
Beatrice at dinner.
She's always a good actress.
I was not fond of that movie.
Oh, that's interesting.
I like that movie a lot.
I did too.
I think that performance is an incredible depiction of a very insidious type of racism.
Sure.
That is the super performative.
Yes. Arms outstretched
Oh we love her
we love Beatrice
until it becomes
in any way
detrimental to their own well-being.
Even a little bit.
Even a little bit
the tiniest bit.
Yeah.
That sort of very
performative empathy.
Yeah.
And she's a great actress.
Lithgow from that movie
just missed my
supporting actor list.
Also very close for me.
He's really good in that.
Bria Venati.
Yeah.
I mean, like, a stunning performance from someone who had previously only done Instagram sketches.
Sure.
And that's a really fucking difficult character.
There's a lot of range there.
Yeah.
And you have to, for the movie to work work you have to be feeling bad for her
very often
despite her constantly
doing the most infuriating
thing she could
at any possible moment
she is infuriating
as a victim of circumstance
you know
she doesn't ever like
create these little moments
like
moments of false sympathy
she doesn't give you
that's the beauty of it
yeah
and at the same time
she is somewhat lovable
right at the start
where she's like
Moony I'm such a horrible
mother what am I gonna do
and you're just like well I mean she did
literally like just spit on someone
right but you also by the end of the movie
Moony she's such a scam by the end of the movie you
go she certainly could have a more responsible
mother she will never have a mother
that cares about her more than this woman does
you know it's not just about being her own child she
just doesn't know how to properly raise a child.
Of course she has no idea
what she's doing with that final meal they have together.
Yes.
That's like the best she can do
in terms of like trying to provide
some sort of like happiness to her kid.
But she's, you know,
she's shitty in some aspects of motherhood.
Yeah, I would say.
You know, a couple of mistakes made.
And then Holly Hunter is my mom.
We'll talk about this more in a future episode.
So good at looking at people.
Kumail
said in some interview she's the
fucking Holly Hunter of actors.
Which I think we don't give her enough
credit for being in that pantheon.
Very annoying that she didn't get an Oscar.
She hasn't been given a
substantial movie role of any real
quality in such a long time.
Yeah.
You know, she was on TNT for years.
She had to drink Jesse Eisenberg's piss in Batman vs. Superman.
Look, I don't think it's actually his piss.
I think it's his piss and I'll fight on this till my dying day.
Well, all right.
That's a worthy fight.
Part of me is just so relieved to have Pete Hunter back on screen.
Yeah.
But it is a super complicated, tricky performance.
I interviewed Kumail and Emily Gordon for the movie,
and he told me that that scene in the comedy club with the heckler
was based in part on moments from his career being heckled,
but also that Holly Hunter told him a story of her yelling back at a heckler at a show.
I just love her.
Which I can't imagine.
Like, that's fantastic.
And we talk about this more in a future episode,
but she looks just like my mom.
My mom gets mistaken for her.
And in The Big Sick, literally every outfit she wears
looks like an outfit my mom wears.
Every item of clothing, it drives me insane.
She rules.
I was on set for the filming of that scene.
You're kidding me.
Of the heckler scene.
No way.
And she's so small. At famous Chicago club Littlefield. Yeah, I was filmed set for the filming of that scene. You're kidding me. No way. And she's so small.
At famous Chicago club Littlefield.
Yeah, I was filmed at Littlefield.
She's tiny. That's her thing.
She's such a tiny person.
Actors always surprise you with how tiny they are.
She's like sub five feet though, right?
Probably.
4'11 to 5'8.
David Alan Greer also had a whole section in that scene
that they cut out, but it looked funny. they filmed it a bunch and he was great.
It is weird that David Alan Greer plays not David Alan Greer in a movie where everyone
else is a stand-up somewhat parallel to their own career status.
He's good, though.
He's very good.
And so those are yours.
Who else did you have, Joe?
Oh, I had Sylvia Hoax from Blade Runner 2049.
She's the best one.
She jumped onto mine the second time I saw the movie.
The first time I saw the movie, I liked it but didn't love it.
Carla Dury is also fucking great in that movie.
I don't love that character.
I love that.
I love her.
Yeah, I'm sort of, I may be out on that.
I think Sylvia makes such a dynamic impression with that character
who is essentially, you know, just the semi-unstoppable right she's a
terminator yeah exactly it's a really good way to put it yeah she's the terminator but they have so
many cuts to her these sort of just like silent single tier cuts where it's just sort of like
we are left to interpret these sort of decades of history of the creation of this specific type of replicant and the
relationship she has with jared leto's character and the relationship she has with all the other
replicants where she's just seething with this kind of jealousy towards every other creature
but she's the best one and she has this sort of like that she has to hold on to this
maniacal belief and it's like it you can see it like shaking her from the inside well i also think
that movie is about like gosling's whole journey in the movies he's like am i the chosen one am i
the messiah i can't i can't have messiah that conveys specialness right and then at the end
of the movie the movie is like no you're not not the Messiah, but you are special because you made your own choices here and you have formed emotional connections
with people.
And that's humanity.
Right.
It's got the exact same thesis as downsizing.
Whereas love is she's just like, no, what matters is if I'm the best one.
And that's her own form of searching for consciousness
and I love her.
And I have Lizzie Marvel who
is so good in Meyerowitz's story.
I loved Meyerowitz's story so much.
Agreed.
And she
is so sidelined at the beginning of the movie.
The first time we see her in the movie makes me laugh so much.
It's sort of a joke in the movie.
They've been having this conversation for like five minutes between Stiller and Hoffman.
And all of a sudden, they just turn a corner and she's been there the whole time.
And you know so much about her character from that.
That's really smart on Baumbach's part.
And then she then sort of lives up to this character who is there and not there at the same time.
Which I love.
And then the moments where she really assert asserts herself, it, you know,
the audience really gets taken aback.
That moment where she talks,
you know,
tells the story about her getting,
uh,
sexually molested or sort of,
yeah,
sort of,
right.
Like someone was creepy and touched her.
Yeah.
Um,
an uncle or I forget,
I forget some,
some family member,
right.
Or maybe it's like a family friend.
I'll file that as a molestation.
Yeah, we can.
I believe it was an over-the-clothes molestation.
We don't need to talk semantics.
Very bad.
Don't do it.
No good?
Very bad.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
Glad we figured that out.
Yeah.
Great movie.
Great movie.
Great scene.
Anybody running in that movie is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life, including her.
That scene where she just runs out of the parking lot.
And then at the end when she just gets that unpromptu haircut and talks about how she makes her own videos for HR or whatever in her company.
She's the best.
She's also part of one of those acting couples that I just like am fucking in love with.
Oh, remind me.
I know who it is.
I didn't know about Tracy Letts and Carrie Coon until
we did our post episode. Oh, really? But
Elizabeth Marvel's married to Bill Camp,
who I fucking love. Yeah.
And I just imagine them acting around the house
together. You know who Bill Camp's great in?
What? Molly's Game.
Bill Camp in Molly's Game.
Molly's Game, every fucking supporting
performance is so strong. I disagree.
There's one I didn't like.
I liked Chris O'Dowd.
I'm trying to think of somebody.
I loved Brian Darcy James.
No, Costner is fine.
Justin Kirk.
No, thank you.
I totally forget that he's in that.
I don't know why that scene's in the movie.
I know why it's in the movie.
Either give him more or cut it.
I would agree with that. I mean, like, I know why it's in the movie, but either give him more or cut it. Yeah, exactly.
I would agree with that.
Yeah.
I support that.
David, do you have other... My other guys,
yeah, who are they?
Who are my guys?
Sienna Miller in Lost City Zed.
What's up, guys?
Why isn't she on all the lists?
I like her.
Well, why would you pronounce her Zed?
It's the name of the movie.
I call this City Zed!
He says it.
Right, but you shouldn't
say it like that
because those people are from England. Wait, what are you getting at, Griffin? I don't it. Right, but you shouldn't say it like that because those people are from England.
Wait, what are you getting at, Griffin?
I don't understand.
I just don't understand why David,
someone who grew up in America,
was so weird.
Yeah, what's going on, David?
What's going on there, David?
What's going on, David?
Nothing.
Shut up.
I hate all of you.
This bit is old.
No, she's wonderful in that movie.
She's an actress who has sort of gotten kind of... Not an actress I've ever loved. Yeah, well, she's wonderful in that movie and she's she's an actress who has sort of gotten kind of
not an actress i've ever loved yeah well she's an actress who's been easy to sort of my joke about
her which was borne out from reality was i watched all of foxcatcher and at the end i said god wasn't
linda cartellini good in that movie and and i think she's really good in foxcat i do too i just
yeah i mean i had not a lot face blindness for her for the longest time.
Yeah.
And I'm glad
that she's coming
into her own
with this kind of stuff.
She's also,
it's a really unfortunate case
of she was
in the middle
of like a PR hurricane
before anyone
had seen her do anything.
Yes, that's true.
So she like came
to the screen
with all this baggage
and I feel like
she's been fighting
against that
her entire career. I feel like she's been fighting against that her entire career.
I feel like she's finally gotten to a point where she's sort of standing on her own merits
because I think she always has been very good.
I saw Factory Girl.
She wasn't great.
I didn't see that.
Yeah.
I didn't see that.
Maybe she hasn't been good always.
Yeah.
But I think throughout her career, she has been giving good performances.
Yeah.
If not every time.
Remember when she got in trouble for calling Pittsburgh,
Shitsburg,
when she made the mystery.
That was really funny.
Five comedy points.
It's funny.
She's really great in that movie.
Yeah.
She's awesome in that movie.
Yeah,
we should move on.
Oh,
Keener and Get Out.
Right.
Yes.
Who I'm surprised more people
weren't talking about.
I think it's because
this season.
I don't know.
Everyone's amazing in that,
except for maybe Mr. Laundry.
I like the laundry bag.
But she is so...
Everyone is navigating their role so perfectly in the movie,
but she's so threatening immediately.
But in that way where you're like,
oh, well, she's just kind of like an uptight mom.
And like, I'm afraid of her.
She's a good actress for giving you know she's a good she's a good actress
for giving you she's a great actress well right but i mean one of the things she's best at is
giving you like she strikes a pose of authority and right there's a there's a charm to her
that you know though that she thinks she's smarter than you or she knows she's smarter than you and
that makes you a little worried when you're in her presence.
She does that in Malkovich where she's just like she's so much more clever than most of the other characters in that movie that they should be worried that she's working them.
And she uses that really well in Get Out.
She has that bit as the hypnosis scene starts where she's like, that's my kid.
That's my kid.
And you're like, let's win your goosebumps.
Where you're like, wait a second.
She's scary all of a sudden.
And obviously the movies prepared you for that, but still.
All right.
Did we cover your full five?
Who are the winners?
Your five?
Okay.
Who are your winners?
My winner is Holly Hunter.
Lori Metcalf.
Mine's Lori Metcalf.
Who are the monkeys? The blankies nominated Lori Metcalf mine's Lori Metcalf yep and
who are the blankies
the blankies
nominated
Lori Metcalf
Leslie Manville
Holly Hunter
Catherine Keener
nice
and Daphne Keene
for Logan
she's good
she's the girl
she's a little
X-23
and they gave it
to Lori Metcalf
yeah
I can't believe
Jannie's running away
with it
even though the second
I saw I, Tonya,
I was like,
shit, she's winning the Oscar.
She really wraps the audience
around her finger
in that movie.
My dad sat there
and went,
fuck, she's probably
going to win, right?
And then, you know,
there was like a low.
From her first scene,
we were like,
oh, she's going to win.
When the Lady Bird hype
really got huge,
there was this low for Janney
and everyone was like,
no, maybe Metcalf
is the front runner
and then Metcalf
has gone on to like
not win any major awards.
I'd love to see her pull off.
It's like this year
is almost one of those
old school and when I say old school I mean
when I was growing up watching.
And the Oscars are different zones.
The critics all agree on their performances.
It was Defoe and Metcalf.
And Chalamet
and the actress was
sort of a assertion but also a bunch
of other people. And now
all of now the Globe, SAG, Oscar people are
different. And that feels like that divide
used to happen a lot.
The Oldman win, which I assume is upcoming,
that's the classic Oscar win.
But as you said, those four critics,
darlings, are who I would have bet on six
weeks ago. I would have said the four winners
are going to be at the Oscars. Because the Oscars had been
doing that recently. J.K. Simmons
and such.
I think with Janney,
one of the reasons why I'm not too mad about it.
I don't disrespect Allison Janney.
I think it's a pretty bad performance.
I just hate that movie.
I think this is a win that capitalizes
on how much people like her as an actress.
And that I don't have a problem with
because she's been giving great performances
in movies and TV.
And I think the fact that she's been more in movies, especially recently, than Metcalf has, I don't have a problem with because she's been giving great performances in movies and TV and I think the fact that she's been more in movies
especially recently
than Metcalf has
I don't have a problem
with it so much
I don't either
look it's one of those things
where it's like
I will be
happy living in a world
where Allison Janney
has an Oscar
I will just constantly
ignore which performance
it's for
sure
alright
we should move on
okay
next category is
some time what do you want to do actress, actor performances for sure all right uh we should move on okay uh just next category is you know time
what do you want to do actor let's do actor okay okay and now coming to the stage to present
best actor my winner from last year amy adams and arrival mine was an f ending in 20th century women
great performance uh mine is sasha in American Honey. The Sunday Darling
this year.
Hashtag.
Well, she was in the movie.
Sort of.
Hashtag the three friends.
My God.
Would watch a movie
about those three being friends.
All right, so this is Best Actor.
Best Actor.
This is Best Actor.
They're presenting Best Actor.
Yeah.
And Amy Am steps up to the mic.
She does.
The nominees for
Best Actor in a Motion Picture
are a weirdly tough category this year.
My sixth place was very close.
Fantastic category this year.
And one where I'm surprised with how closely I matched to the Oscars.
Oh, sure.
I thought I was going to really divert.
All right.
My five are Daniel Kaluuya in Get Out.
Well, that's the one no one thought the Oscars would go for until a month ago.
Yeah.
Timothy Chalamet in Call Me By Your Name.
Denzel Washington
in Roman J. Israel, which I also thought the Oscars
would ignore.
Daniel Day-Lewis in Phantom Thread.
I'm sorry, Dan Lewis in Phantom Thread.
Thank you. Who I was afraid they would snub.
Me too. And Robert Pattinson in
Good Time. Cool.
You really, really had me and then we diverted
like ships in the night. Cool. You really, really had me and then we diverted like ships in the night.
I had Daniel Kaluuya,
Bring It Out,
Timothy Chalamet,
Call Me By Your Name,
and Denzel Washington,
Roman J.
Hells yeah.
Just in Under the Wire
because I saw that movie last week.
Roman J.
He's great in that movie.
That is one of his best performances ever.
And then the pair of actors I have
in place for the other two
are the least likely for me ever.
Adam Sandler in The Meyerowitz Stories and Ben Stiller in Brad Status.
Narrowly edging out, Noel Perez Biscayar.
Great performance in BPM.
He's like my sixth.
Wonderful.
I have not seen BPM yet.
It's my biggest blind spot of the year.
You should.
And I also have not seen Brad Stass,
which you have been telling me for a long time.
I like it.
I particularly like.
It's a Mike White movie.
It's one of those things where you look at the trailer
and you're like, oh, it's a Ben Stiller movie.
But then it's like, oh, no, it's a Mike White movie.
And it's a Mike White movie that reminds me of Enlightened
in a way that I never expected it to.
And I obviously like Mike White.
Yes, me too.
I also think Stiller was underrated in Meyerowitz,
although obviously he was never going to be,
because he's playing the sort of tightly wound character.
But Stiller's great.
Sandler would have been my six.
Can I give mine?
Let's give it.
Mine's a mix of yours, actually.
It's Robert Pattinson in Good Time,
Denzel Washington in Roman Chasen.
Wow, that's amazing.
It's a great performance.
It is.
Daniel Kaluuya in Get Out,
Daniel Day-Lewis,
Dan,
in Phantom Thread,
and Adam Sandler
in The Meyerowitz Stories.
So it's just a mix.
Yeah.
We're really cohesive.
Just a tough category this year.
A lot of great performances.
It's been weak for a couple of years
and this was a hot year.
This is a strong year.
This is a year where
any one of those guys I nominated
would have beat my winner from the last couple
years.
You know, it's like five performances that would have won in any other year.
Yeah.
My seven, I bring up only because I know he was right on the cusp for you as well.
Klaus Bang.
So good in the square.
A movie I don't love, but that performance is phenomenal.
I like that movie.
I liked Charlie Hunnam in Lost City is Ed.
Of course you did.
I liked, who else did I like
I feel like there's another
obvious one
McAvoy and Split
I mean I liked
this guy from
yeah
I think
BPM McAvoy and Split
I loved
the main actor
in After the Storm
did you guys see that movie
Hiroshi Abe
which one was
After the Storm
it's like a Japanese movie
it came out
at the start of the year
I didn't see it.
Hirokazu Kore-da.
I love Hanks and the Post.
I thought Hanks was great. Really solid in it.
It's just not a character. I like
Fassbender in Alien Covenant a lot.
There's another.
Oh, Jake Gyllenhaal in Stronger.
A great performance.
Can we get to the meat of the conversation?
Sure. because finally we
can talk roman j israel on this finally talk that what an odd little movie that i loved pretty much
from from beginning to end i was very frustrated with the movie when i saw it i hate the framing
device i still hate it that's the one thing i would the letter that he's writing yep yes i don't
like that that makes it makes it seem like it all happened in three weeks
which just like I spent
when on my first viewing
of the movie
I was like
no how could this possibly
be happening in three weeks
and you don't need it.
And also Dan Gilroy
has this thing
and he had it in Nightcrawler too
and Nightcrawler's not a movie
I really loved too much.
Me neither.
But where all of us
where he feels like
he needs to create these
like life or death stakes
in the third act that don't I don't think necessarily need to be there to tell the movie that you feel like you're telling.
Yeah.
I feel like the stakes are there emotionally for the characters anyway, so I don't know why their lives have to be in actual danger.
I question the ending a little bit.
I think the movie loses the thread on the Carmen and Jogo character a little bit, which starts out really strong.
Yes, I agree.
And then I think she kind of stops being specific in any kind of way that makes sense.
That movie just has a lot of ideas.
Agreed.
It does.
But I feel like that movie is wrangling and wrestling with those ideas in an interesting way,
in a way that Nightcrawler, I feel like, has a lot of big ideas that it thinks it has down.
And it's going to tell you about some stuff.
And there's a central idea in that movie that I find fucking fascinating is one of the things I'm constantly weighing in this world that we live in.
Yeah.
Which is, is it possible to affect large scale positive change.
And hang on to your principles.
Without making any sort of sacrifice of principles.
There is a scene in that movie where it's him and Jogo when he first goes to apply for a job with her. Yeah.
And he's sort of free associating
his career
and his sort of philosophy
about the law and about social justice. And he can't
look at her and he can't look behind him at the little
shit who's like, who has no
respect for him. Already thrown some shit.
And that's the one I hope
is his Oscar clip. And I don't think it's going to be. I think it's
going to be one of the more like outwardly expressive.
But he's like he's barely holding it together in the scene.
And he does not want to cry in front of these people.
And he sort of is.
That scene was when I suddenly, when I was watching this movie,
and I was like, I don't know what this movie is.
And then you're like, whoa.
But I did give it this mixed review because I was so confused
by the money in a bag plot.
Like which just sort of comes in but then the more you think about it
the more you're like why not make it literal
I think the ending is fine too
because he's making this like
40s morality play
and it kind of has to end that way
with like punishment
I do think he struggles to get
some of his plots lined up for the ending
I'm fine with the very ending.
It's like the 15 minutes building up to that finale gets a little sweaty.
I agree.
I found out that Denzel won't eat bacon.
Really?
So that's why it's the turkey maple bacon donut.
That's really interesting.
I hope that's his Oscars.
I read an interview with someone where they were like,
why that specific?
And he was like, well, Den Denzel it was a maple bacon donut
but Denzel said no no
that's another in the many many
great foodstuffs of 2017
yeah well
I got a big category coming up later
Miriam Bell
we were talking about it with Miriam
whenever we recorded the Biscuit Seat episode
and I had seen it and just liked it
and we were sort of
getting you to reconsider it
a little bit.
And I was there.
I've been thinking a lot
about that movie.
But the thing I said
in that conversation
is I will have this thing
sometimes where I'm
on the subway
and I see a very odd person
and I go,
who the fuck is that person
and what does their
daily life look like
and how do they make it through the world? Not in like a condescending way, but like in New York when you
see like very bizarre people on the subway, and you're like, what is their hour by hour existence?
And Roman J. Israel is like the first movie I've seen made about that guy, where you're just like,
in any scene you imagine that any other movie would pick any other character in that room to be the audience viewpoint.
Before we move on from Denzel, I just want to say one interesting bit of Oscar trivia that I find fascinating is this year Denzel and Octavia Spencer, both of them, are the first black actors to ever be nominated two years in a row.
Wow.
Ever.
Because Denzel was Fences last year
and she was Hidden Figures.
Octavia Spencer is also the most nominated
black actress of all time
tied with Viola Davis with three nominations.
Jeez.
And I believe both she and Viola,
no, no, she is the first black actress
to be nominated after winning an Oscar.
Correct.
Yes, that's it.
Because Viola has not yet been nominated again,
although one imagines it's quite possible she will be.
And will be only got to. That's right.
Yeah. And she didn't win. She wasn't
nominated after Ghost. She was nominated first
for Color Purple. Yep. Okay.
Some other. Pattinson. So
obviously Griffin and I love Pattinson.
Obviously you do not. I don't. It's not
that I don't love Pattinson. Have the Good Time War.
I don't like Good Time. I love that movie.
I don't like that movie. I think Pattinson's good in it,
but I don't like that movie.
I drink from this bottle of Sprite.
Now, Ben,
have you seen Good Time?
So Ben texted us
in a...
How about Bad Time?
How about that?
I...
Hey, watch yourself.
Watch yourself.
Let me try and find...
It was a good time.
Let me try and find the text.
In different people's eyes.
Ben texted us in a frenzy.
I was very mad.
Here we go.
All caps.
How come no one told me
about Good Time?
WTF? I need to see this movie
what
and I replied
I figured I didn't need
to tell you about a movie
you're the star of
and then
Griffin
Griffin was like
you know
you gotta watch it
before the blankies
so did you watch it
I watched it
and I loved it
yeah
okay
cause it
it
it pushed some buttons
it fucks
it fucks hard yeah reminded me of my adolescence
you know there's certain things i can't talk about and you know this movie i think portrayed
sort of the life of a person who lives a reckless life a scum bum a scum bum. A scum bum, baby. No consequences. Who cares? That movie was good.
It fucking fucks.
Those directors that made a movie previous to that starring your doppelganger.
Heaven knows what.
Caleb Landry Jones.
Caleb Laundry Jones.
As a real scum bum.
Caleb Laundry Jones had not done laundry before that movie.
No, no.
Listen, there's a certain level of romanticism
to being kind of a bad guy.
Yes, but he destroys lives.
And I think the movie wants you to get that.
And the movie doesn't let him off the hook.
And I think the movie is designed to make you
actively uncomfortable every time he's destroying a life.
I don't think it asks for enjoyment,
perverse enjoyment.
And his character is just like a fucking shark.
He is unstoppable.
Anytime he like hits a wall,
he runs a new algorithm
to figure out a different corner to go around.
And it's a character where we get
very little background from him.
I mean, a lot of it's inferred.
He never really speaks about his emotions.
Most of his dialogue is lies
that he's telling to people
in order to get what he needs
at that moment. But there's such a full sense
of who that guy is just in
how well-rounded Pattinson's performance
is, I think. That is my
stance. But Joe, do you want to offer
a rebuttal?
Mostly, I don't know how one of the directors
gets away with casting himself as
the mentally impaired
younger brother. But he does have actually interviewed him about that.
He is good.
There's an answer that I...
I love the last scene of it.
I wish the rest of the movie had a run to that last scene.
And really, as good as that last scene was,
it made me even more angry because I'm like,
no, don't, can't end it with something this well done
when the rest of it was...
What have you heard, Griffin?
Because you're pointing at me like you know something.
Well, I think it's probably what they told
you, that they had originally wanted
to cast an actor
with a similar set of circumstances
and they felt like they
could not comfortably
and safely... Couldn't do it without it seeming like they were
pointing a camera
at someone and reveling.
And the other thing I heard them say, which I think...
Maybe cast an actor. The other thing i heard them say which i think maybe cast an actor the other thing i heard them say is that uh in terms of the amount of like stunts
involved and action and how they like to move that's they that's the thing they talked about
i moderated a panel with them and they talked about how like making that movie unsurprisingly
was hard and how pattinson who I think is game for anything,
and he's in his indie mode, there was one time
it was when they're wearing the bank masks
where he was like,
how long do we have to do this for?
This is very uncomfortable.
That was the only time he ever mentioned anything.
But it's a lot of running around New York City
and like, okay, let's set up the shop really fast.
And I think
it was just a trying shoot. Like, you know, we're going to end. Yeah. I think it was just a trying shoot.
I, you know, am certainly becoming less and less tolerant
of not casting appropriate people in roles by the millisecond.
Yeah.
But this is one example where when I heard their explanation,
I kind of felt like it passed the snap.
I think it's a fair question.
I don't know.
Maybe in a year I'll find it reprehensible.
But yeah.
Who else we got?
Well, you guys had your boy Dan Lewis.
Dan Lewis.
Okay, Ben is holding up victory fingers in the air.
He's hungry.
God, I mean, it's so cliche.
He's the fucking best actor.
Like, he just is.
But the thing that really jumps out to me
about this performance is
it feels like it is the most personal performance he's ever given.
Not the like Monday morning quarterback.
But I think that's part of the reason that he's stepping away from acting now is he has always seemed like one of those actors who acts to get away from himself.
Yeah.
And I think the psychological conditions of this guy.
Imagine Bill the Butcher being a vacation from your.
Right.
Right.
But he conceived this movie with PTA. It was the Butcher being a vacation from your everyday. He conceived
this movie with PTA.
It was a little more of a collaborative effort.
As I'm sure you know, Ben, because you talk to Dan
all the time.
So maybe he put a little more of his own
relationship
with people into this character.
Even just the struggles of being someone
who is that sensitive and that
precise about your work and trying to also be a person.
Yeah.
You should see the dress he made.
It's gorgeous.
He made some dresses.
He made dresses.
He recreated, what's that designer?
Balenciaga?
Balenciaga?
Yeah.
Balenciaga.
He remade one of these famous dresses of his.
Did you see the Steven Pasquale thing?
I did.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
The Steven Pasquale thing's amazing.
Steven Pasquale,
someone tweeted a photo of him.
What was the play?
A great actor, by the way.
Yeah.
Very good actor.
The Robert Bridegroom.
And someone a long time ago,
or maybe someone tweeted,
last year I heard a rumor
that Daniel Day-Lewis built the jacket
Steven Pasquale wore in the Robert Bridegroom because he was like going method for the Phantom Thread.
It's like this sort of leathery jacket.
And Pasquale retweeted it with, sometimes rumors are true.
Imagine getting the call where it's like, hey, Dan Lewis, he's in a sewing mood and he wants to make you a jacket.
And there's even just like, I mean, this is where the guy pays off because usually I don't care that much about like.
No, the method shit.
Who fucking cares?
Right.
I don't fucking care.
Give a good performance.
I don't care what it took you.
Right.
But there's, I saw the movie again last night and there's a close up shot of him threading a needle where you see how fucked up his thumb is.
Yeah.
And it is fucked up in a way that can only happen if you have spent 18 months building dresses.
Like, even if you were just, like, the night before shooting the scene,
like, let me pinch myself a bunch, you know?
Let me scrape the skin off.
It's just, it's a very revealing performance in a way
I think we don't usually get from him.
And every single gesture, every micro-expression.
Chic! Don't talk to me!
Chic! Fucking chic!
Every line reading.
That word!
That voice is amazing
oh the voice is great
and it's just a fascinating
fucking character
a tinker's fuck
tinker's curse
no it's a
a fucking tinker's curse
Jesus Christ
what a line
nobody gives a fucking
tinker's curse
what you think
no you know
I gotta scoop
no it's
oh okay
yeah
okay
so
obviously the character
hides secrets
the lining threads them into the character hides secrets the lining
threads them into the dresses
one of the dresses
in the movie
I had Dan hide
bounce baby
see
I want the fans
if they can guess
which dress it is
then
please tweet at
Ben Hosley
with pictures of
the dress
Ben do you ever hide things
in our episodes
what's that
like back masks
do you ever sew little audio clips into our episodes?
you gotta listen really close
things are particularly twisted I imagine
hey
who else did you have Joe?
who else did I have? I had Daniel Kaluuya
I feel like we all had him
he's so good
and Stiller and Sandler
the natural actors who I always go to.
I'm very resistant to the Adam Sandler optimism thing where every once in a while he makes a movie and it's like, Sandy Wexler!
And everybody's like, yeah!
Except Sandy Wexler's an American masterpiece.
Of course.
Yes, a great film about Hollywood.
The most revealing and honest film about Hollywood in the last 10 years.
100%?
Yep.
Given that.
I think he's so good in Meyerowitz. I think he's so good in Meyerowitz.
I think he's so good in,
and I love him in Punch Drunk Love,
but it's a different kind of thing.
In Punch Drunk Love,
I feel like Anderson is harnessing
that sort of Sandler thing.
He does the sort of volcanic eruptions in this too,
but I think all his,
that scene at the piano
where he and his daughter played by,
remind me of her name.
She's great.
She was in that movie Tramps.
She was really good.
And her sister's also an actress.
Is that right?
Yes.
I'm going to have her name for you guys in just one minute.
Her name is Grace Van Patten.
Grace Van Patten.
Yes.
Who was also wonderful in that movie.
Great.
As is Emma Thompson.
Every little performance.
It's a wonderful cast.
She made Shark.
Dustin Hoffman was on my list until he got himself off my list.
Died until he died. He's dead now.
But that scene at the piano where Sandler
and Grace Van Patten are singing that song,
the Genius Girls song.
And I'm like, oh, this is such a great
thing of like, Adam Sandler does his silly
little songs. That's always been a thing that we've loved about
him from Saturday Night Live. But this
is different. This is an older, wiser,
sort of a melancholy. There's a little sadness to that to that but it's not really like it's not mugging you for
tears but it makes me cry every time i see that because there's a there's these little inflections
that they give that that communicate the sort of long relationship i'll say he gets like my
my weird holly hunter award and not at all how the character is written
the circumstances he is in but just
in terms of behavior he reminds me
so much of my fucking father in that movie
that's interesting
I met your dad
especially the parking scene
at the beginning
I would imagine that a lot of people who lived in New York City
for their whole lives would see a lot of
the parking scene as someone who owns
a car in New York City
really spoke to me
that thing where you're
having a conversation
with someone
and then suddenly
you'll have to shift
into your parking mode
and you're like
what the fuck
is he doing
and obviously
Sandler yelling
is such a
magisterial thing
to watch
you know what I mean
like him exploding
on camera
best comedic
yeller
it's incredible him and Odenkirk thank you Odenk camera best comedic yeller it's incredible
him and Odenkirk
thank you
Odenkirk's an amazing
yeller
god damn it
son of a bitch
why would you do that
and then Stiller
and Brad Status
who I feel like
it's a very simmering
performance
it's a very simmering
performance
very good performance
yeah
it's one of those
that movie reminds me
of Enlightened
I don't know
I think he's wonderful
in it
and it's
it's another one of those where I want to make sure I'm being careful about not giving somebody too much credit for, like, giving a good effort for the first time in a while.
But it's been a while.
Although, I mean, I think he doesn't, I think he's very, very good in the other two Bombeck movies he's been in.
I agree.
I think in all three Bombeck movies he's very good.
He brings out great stuff in them and I think
Mike White does as well.
Chalamet, was he on
all three of ours?
I love the performance.
It's the most
interesting teenager performance I've seen
in an incredibly long time
and it feels like he's carving out
an entirely new
archetype. With that performance in and it feels like he's carving out an entirely new archetype you know i mean with that
performance in particular it feels like he is this interesting more feminine millennial james dean
and i say more feminine only in the sense that there is not that internal conflict about fighting
the emotions right yeah you know the accessibility of those emotions is pretty breathtaking.
And yeah, that final shot, you can't argue with that.
Well, and as well as he plays,
you know, talking about like playing gay
and like whatever, that's a loaded term
that I don't really want to touch.
But what he plays really well also
is only child of academic Euro-American parents
in that way.
And again,
I have no personal experience
with that.
But my mom is French,
my father is American.
And I've seen a lot of movies.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The way that movie uses Italy
I think is very smart
in a lot of ways.
And I think his performance
is also smart
for those very things.
And I think he,
so much of that character
is about him
sort of being in this cocoon
of sort of leisurely
Italian countryside life
and this character coming
and like snapping him out of this
and sort of making him realize
he wants all these things
that he didn't know he realized
and he doesn't know how to handle it.
And it's...
He also wins a family award
for playing my brother.
That character is...
Man, your family's all over this year's awards.
All over this year.
All right, guys, keep going.
Okay, the blankies chose
Daniel Kaluuya,
Timothee Chalamet.
They spelled it...
Whatever.
Timothee Spall style.
You know what?
List of people I've heard pronounce it Timothee
include Armie Hammer,
Ansel Elgort,
and Timothee Chalamet.
Yeah, it's Timothee.
So I'm fine with calling him Timothee.
Robert Pattinson for Good Time, Danny Day for Phantom Thread,
and Adam Driver for Star Wars The Last Jedi.
Oh, they had him in lead? He's not in lead.
It's borderline for me.
He's not in lead. He's not in the movie much.
Yeah.
Like, he doesn't have a plot. You know what I mean?
I think he kind of does.
What's his plot?
His plot is take down Snoke.
Stop smoking.
For the first half of the movie.
Blow that ship out of the sky.
This is a non-snoking zone.
For the first half of the movie, he's only ever really in Rey's vision.
Sure.
Apart from that, we're not cutting to him.
My counter argument is no one's elite that much.
He's more object than subject.
What do you mean?
There's three main plots in the movie.
Daisy Ridley goes to the island.
John Boyega goes to Canto Bight.
And Oscar Isaac stirs up
some shit on the ship.
Like those are the three plots
we're cutting between.
Chewie eats a pork.
And he's not in any of those plots.
I do because I think
there's enough stuff on the...
Yeah, that's true.
Chewie eating a pork
is another part.
True.
He's supporting those pecs.
Another thing,
and then we do have to get to actress, but i can't believe we did not talk about the fact that ray's parents are revealed in that movie in our episode my favorite literally my
favorite element entire film and not only that the episode was 15 hours it was a very long episode
we were very tired boys we were tight tight boys yeah we were but i i in the force awakens episode
you literally say like
I really hope
I hope
I prefer it if
it turns out her parents
were nobodies
and I'm like
you know that'd be nice
but I don't think
they're gonna do that
like you know
because Abrams is dropping
all these hints
and then that's exactly
what they do
I couldn't have
appreciated that more
and we totally
didn't mention it
your winner David is
Daniel Kaluuya
it's a wonderful performance mine as well which is why I held off on talking about him mine was Chalam, David, is... Daniel Kaluuya. It's a wonderful performance.
Mine as well,
which is why I held off
on talking about him.
Mine was Chalamet,
but you guys talk about Kaluuya.
Super strong choice.
The Blankies also chose Kaluuya.
I can't believe he got nominated
because I felt like it's
exactly the kind of performance
that no one ever gives enough credit to.
And it's so internal
for so much of the movie.
I mean, obviously,
the hypnosis is his sort of breakdown scene,
but even that,
he has to be locked up, you know,
like physically. But an incredible looking
and listening performance because you're using him to try
to gauge whether or not there's a threat and a
thing he's playing really well.
And I think this dude just rules in general.
Yes. Great in fucking Sicario,
great in Black Mirror, great even back on
Skins. Oh yeah. The dude fucks.
My brother knows him. Stop it
with the humblebrags. You should ask him about it tomorrow.
Wait a second. How would Joey know
Daniel Kaluuya if he grew up
in the United States?
In the United States? In the UK.
The Hampstead Theater. Why was Joey
your brother in the... We grew up in England.
Oh.
Fucking idiot.
God.
Dude is great.
He's wonderful.
And I think the thing he plays super well, a very tough needle to thread in this movie,
is the fact that he does not want to believe something bad is happening.
Right.
Sure.
He's trying to-
Right.
He's trying to rationalize everything he sees.
He's trying to block his skepticism.
Yeah.
Because the problem with most horror movies is you go, why are they walking into the room?
Why aren't they running away?
Get out. Get out. And the thing
he does well, which I think makes the
entire movie work,
is that it's a guy who goes,
I need to get over
my sort of skepticism
and trust that people could actually
respect me and care for me.
And then all his worst fears are 100%
accurate. And also, you're seeing a guy who
every time someone says something awkward in the movie,
which is often, you know, before things get bad,
he's so practice it, like
deflecting it and giving the little smile
or the sort of like, yeah, I don't know.
And like, it's just so internalized.
Him thinking like, well, it's gonna be creepy
and awkward here because we're in the suburbs
and they have black servants
and it's weird. That's the scene that I think is his best
is the scene with Whitford.
No, the scene with, what's her name?
The grandmother. Betty Gabriel.
That scene is
phenomenal.
She would be an outside pick for me on
supporting actresses. You know who's another outside pick I forgot to mention?
Pom Clemente
in Guardians 2. Wonderful performance.
Very hard to play
someone whose superpower
is literally feeling
everyone's emotions
all the time.
So much fun.
I hope she gets stuff
to do in Infinity War.
Let's see best actress.
So those are our winners.
And the best actress
coming to the stage now,
Tom Hanks,
winner for Sully.
He was your winner?
Yeah.
Wow.
As I said,
any one of my nominees last year would have won. Well, Adam Driver was Wow. As I said, any one of my nominees
last year would have won.
Well, Adam Driver
was my winner last year.
Or any one of my nominees
this year would have won.
I know what I'm saying.
Denzel was mine
for Fences last year.
Cold performance.
Cool.
The Three Amigos
up on stage
announcing the nominees.
And the nominees
for Best Actress are...
Would you like me to go and give you a second to gather yourself?
Jessica Chastain in Molly's Game.
Rebecca Hall in Professor Marston and the Wonder Women.
Oh, great performance.
Salma Hayek in Beatriz at Dinner.
Saoirse Ronan in Lady Bird and Meryl Streep in The Post.
And now Tom Hanks is going to announce five nominees very well because he's good at his job.
The nominees are
Salma Hayek
for Beatriz at Dinner.
Nice.
Saoirse Ronan
for Lady Bird.
Sally Hawkins
for The Shape of Water.
Jessica Chastain
for Molly's Game.
Nice.
And Vicky Creeps
for Phantom Threads.
Love me a Vicky Creep.
It's like
flat pancake.
Yeah, and now I'm drivers coming up to the stage
and we all know what his voice sounds like.
Sure.
I'm not going to do it.
No.
How would you do it?
I can't do it.
It's hard.
There is an impression.
There's definitely something there.
Someone's got to find that impression.
The nominees.
That's not bad.
If I hold my nose and try.
The nominees.
Saoirse Ronan for Lady Bird.
Vicky Creeps
for Phantom Thread.
Florence Pugh
for Lady Macbeth.
Good pick.
Cynthia Nixon
for A Quiet Passion.
And Kim Min Hee
for On the Beach
at Night Alone.
Ooh.
That's right.
That's esoteric.
Yes.
I like it.
Blankies nominated Sally Hawkins for The Shape of Water. Great performer. Saoir's esoteric. Yes. I like it. Blankies nominated
Sally Hawkins for
The Shape of Water.
Great performance.
Saoirse Ronan for
Lady Bird.
Vicky Creeps for
Phantom Thread.
Meryl Streep for
The Post.
And Rooney Mara
for A Ghost Story.
Oh.
She's supporting.
I agree with that.
But I think it's a
very good performance.
It's a good performance.
It's very Rooney Mara
performance.
Which I love
Scared Bird so I love every Rooney Marr performance. Which I love Scared Bird
so I love every
Rooney Marr performance.
Rooney Marr is always
a pigeon.
She sure is.
Who's gauging
how close you're going to get.
She's a breakthrough role
in The Hours
as that dying sparrow.
She is.
The Hulk had been
lying down next to her.
Can I just compliment
our listeners saying
those are really cool
consensus choices.
Yeah, I agree.
That's like enough people had those nominations really cool consensus choices. Yeah, I agree. That's like enough people
had those nominations
that they ruled out.
David, what did I see
Florence Pugh in very recently?
The Commuter, my friend.
I sure did.
She was commuting away.
Commute, commute, commute.
The best song of 2018.
What's crazy,
and I remember talking about this
with Richard Lawson
after seeing Lady Macbeth,
is like,
how the fuck did she not get
into Game of Thrones?
Oh, good point. You're seeing this performance and you're like, look at this star.beth is like, how the fuck did she not get into Game of Thrones? Oh,
you're seeing this performance,
you know, like look at this star.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you're like,
how did Game of Thrones not make her play some fucking,
you know,
bread wench or something,
you know,
like some poor,
awful,
marginalized character in some tower.
Yeah.
You know,
gets thrown off a cliff or something.
Yeah.
Okay.
So let's run through.
Yeah.
Well,
she really like that.
Too bad. She didn't get to play that role. No, I'm saying run through. Yeah, but she really been like that. Too bad she didn't
get to play that role.
No, I'm saying
I'm glad that she
like got to break out
with fucking lady.
What do you got
bread wench?
This is a
Lannister bread
bakery.
I don't know.
Let's talk through
our nominees
because we have a lot
of overlaps.
We did
by Sersha.
Oh, we want to talk
Sersha first?
We all had Sersha. We all had Sers had sirsha i mean good that's a good actress
right there good acting from a person who is uh good at acting yes who is what is she 23 and she's
fucking incredible like third oscar nomination like the most assured performer on screen yeah
so fucking funny in this movie hilarious that'sious. That's the thing for me.
I mean, I said Tiffany Haddish
is the best comedic performance
of the year,
but Saoirse Ronan's kind of
right up there
in how much she lands
every single fucking joke
without force.
And not even the big ones.
That part in the supermarket
where she just goes,
come here often,
and it's too aggressive
by just a little bit.
And talk about her audition scene.
Oh, everybody says don't,
which I burst out laughing.
It's so funny.
I'd have to kill your fucking family.
Like all those bits where,
like as any teenager,
anyone who's ever been a teenager
can recognize where she goes too far.
But you cannot believe that performance
comes from someone
who does not have a comedy background.
Yeah.
That's true, but she loves comedy.
She loves comedy.
McGruber.
Yeah.
Cercheroni, if you want to get pasta dinner, I'm open.
It's surprising that it's that funny coming from someone without a comedy background.
And surprising it's that funny in a movie that isn't that much of an out-and-out comedy.
It's certainly a comedy, but isn't designed to be a laugh a minute.
It's not a yuck-yuck factory, you know?
She makes all those lines sing without ever betraying the sort of internal contradictions of this character who is struggling so hard to figure out who the fuck she is.
Yeah, and she and Metcalf get a really good sort of like rhythm together.
She actually, she's a great scene partner with all of, there's so many good one-on-ones in that movie.
Her and Beanie Feldstein.
Now, talking about good scene partners, the Hedges scene, that's my favorite scene of hers.
The star naming scene? No, the scene reacting to Hedges. Oh, partners. The Hedges scene. That's my favorite scene of hers. The star naming scene?
No, the scene reacting to Hedges.
Oh, well, that's an incredible scene. Where she just goes from being
mad at him to just being like, it's going to be okay.
That's what I love about that movie. She's such a teenager
where she can do that. She can go from
being mad to totally forgiving
someone in a second.
Well, and the phone call at the end.
She sells that so well.
It's the name you gave me. It's a good one.
Ah.
Yeah.
Sally Hawkins.
Admittedly, a skill piece performance.
My favorite thing about that movie.
It's a technical performance.
Definitely.
It's very emotional, but I tend to go for emotional specificity more than I do those sorts of like, look, they had to do this and this while standing on their hands.
Yeah.
But.
She has to do a lot. The beauty of that performance
for me is the fact that I think
it doesn't ever feel gimmicky when it
really, really could.
It could have, yeah.
And that I feel like I go through long
stretches of the movie forgetting that she's
not speaking.
Because of how expressive she is. I love her as an actress.
I do too. She's great. She's fucking Pattinson's mom.
Did you have her?
I didn't,
but she would have been in my top 10.
As is every year,
my best actress list
was like 20 people long.
It's a hot list.
It's crazy.
And I haven't seen
A Quiet Passion yet,
so I don't know.
A Quiet Passion rules.
You guys should go see it.
It's one of those things
where it's a tough performance,
obviously,
because she's playing someone
who's so famously kooky.
And she's finding, obviously, the right angle to make her not famously kooky like
make her a real person yeah who just was 10 a little too much for everyone not everyone for
but for a lot of people and like just sort of portray that very quiet receding that like you
know at the beginning a quiet passion, if you will.
She's basically in society,
and you're just sort of gradually watching her be like,
I don't think this is something I can do.
Over the course of a movie,
without anyone freaking out or breaking down.
I don't know.
Movie rules.
Terrence Davis.
Jessica Chastain's a fucking Stradivarius.
Love her.
It's one of those ones where you almost feel bad
for liking it so much
because it's created
for you to love it
I think
just be happy
it's like a rollercoaster ride
for me
that's like Aaron Sorkin
the ride
I've decided to stop
feeling bad about
how much I enjoy
the rhythms of his stuff
and the way that actors
can really tear into it
if I was in like
a critique
right
where I was asked to give
notes on that movie as like someone's class
project. There are a thousand things
I could criticize it for. That having been said,
I literally could not enjoy that movie more.
Yeah, it's so much fun. I fucking
love it. First time I saw it, I'm like, I'm going to love
the next 25 times I see this movie because
it's... I can't wait to watch that movie on TNT
every time I'm in a hotel. I also want to stick up
for the Costner monologue,
which I decried after I saw it for the first time.
Partly because I was at Toronto
and you have to see movies one after the other.
And I was kind of like, wrap it up, wrap it up.
And then the second time I saw it,
I was like, this isn't as bad as I remember it.
And it's not as,
basically what he's saying in that monologue is like,
I'm an asshole.
It's fine.
It's good that you realize that. Because you think he's saying like let me explain everything that's
wrong with you but he's not like he it sort of it just sort of bends around for him to be like
i'm fucking kidding i don't know the answers i just know i'm an asshole that bugs you i saw
chastain and sorkin give a talk back uh about that movie when the second time i saw it and they she
she gave a very good rationale for
that that I sort of bought in the moment and I don't know if I necessarily do where she goes
you go into that scene expecting her to expecting the dad to make make it better for her you know
what I mean and that she and the fact that she's the one who ends up comforting him at the end of
the scene puts her in the power seat, and I'm like, I get
that's what they were going for.
I still think it's that back-to-back with the
scene where Idris Elba spends 20 minutes
talking about what a good person she is.
Makes it two really long scenes where men
say why she's worth it.
Spaced out, and I also think the setup
of Costner just happening to be there when she
happens to choose to go to the ice skating rink is
sweaty as fuck.
But I do think
We're to the point where
if you had told me
he was a ghost
I would have been like
oh yeah that makes more sense.
I totally thought that's
where they were going.
Honestly because it seemed
like you can't be this sloppy.
But, but, but
Sorkin has the tendency
to do the thing
that drives you crazy
when I do it on the podcast
which is try to find
the one internal conflict
that every other moment
of that person's life. Sorkin should
make a movie about George Lucas and his wife. 100%.
I would fucking give it every Griffey Award. Guys, we're
two hours into this thing. Do not leave
me down a Marshall Lucas path. Right. But the
thing that I think works for
this movie that is not intentional
at all. I think it almost
only happens because Sorkin is
inexperienced as a director. Yeah. Is
the character who delivers the monologue,
the, you know, Rooney Marr breaking up with
Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs'
lack of a father,
Billy Bean being cut from the team,
is the character who we know is
full of shit. And I think that's
kind of the key to the movie working, which
allows that character to retain her agency
and go like, that's just one guy's fucking theory.
She's more complicated than that.
I think that's what that's,
you know,
to make that movie work.
And I just,
I just love the way she fucking owns every single shot of every single scene
without being afraid to be feminine,
that she doesn't feel the need to be like a fucking badass in any sort of
traditional way.
Right.
She's established this whole new way of being a badass.
Even different from Ripley.
The new Jessica Chastain,
I'm a quiet lady who just doesn't
fucking put up with shit,
is my hero.
Who else have we nominated?
Who else are your guys?
Talk about scene partners.
Vicky Creeps.
Vicky Creeps, yeah.
You guys tell me about Vicky Creeps.
Oh, man.
It's like Rocky Balboa
fighting against Apollo Creed.
Hannah's Vicky Creeps. That's the only other thing I've ever seen her in.
It's the Joe Wright movie, Hannah.
Oh, she's in that? Yeah, she's the mom, I want to say.
Yes. Creeps, who only is around
for like the first scene. Creepy.
She's from Luxembourg,
which just automatic A plus
for me. Agreed. Who's from Luxembourg?
Vicky Creeps. Vicky fucking Creeps.
She's like the one famous person from Luxembourg right now and if you you know couple decades like the grand duke like
that's it how do you feel about creeps because you just saw phantom thread um she she does all
right against dan yeah man she holds her own she holds her own for sure i um saw for the second
time last night i kind of can't fucking get over that performance.
So good.
Yeah.
I mean, just think about the intensity of just being on set with that nut job.
I mean, I love Dan.
Yes.
But I mean, you know, he's like probably in character and being rude just like his character.
You, if anybody, would know what how hard it is to sort of.
Yeah.
Oh, I would text him and he would just be like,
don't bother me right now.
I'm in the middle of something.
He would reply with,
my character doesn't own a phone because he's from 1950.
Yeah, he would do that.
Well, you've also talked about just how tough it is
to play like air hockey against Dan Lewis
just because of how intense he is.
Like, no one goes head to head with Dan Lewis
and comes out alive, right?
And there are a lot of movies about Dan Lewis
locking horns with someone else,
but they never seem his equal.
And Vicky Creep
100% seems his equal,
if not his superior.
The whole point of the story
is that he's met someone
who's, I mean...
Well, when she plays air hockey
against him in that movie,
like, it's really compelling
and it's shocking
the way that scene ends.
More like butter hockey.
No, it's a movie
that's just going wide.
I don't want to fucking,
like, unfurl everything I think is brilliant about the
performance because it ruins a lot of what I think
the film ends up getting to that is sort of surprising.
But I just watched that movie
a second time knowing where it
lands by the end of the story
and am just fucking astonished
by every micro expression
she makes at every moment.
She's got a great fucking face.
And I get excited when there's a new movie.
With the hungry boy.
Can I make a case quickly for Rebecca Hall
and Professor Marsden and the Wonder Women?
Great performance.
Not a lot of people have because
it was released wide and then taken out of theaters.
This was Anna Perna, right?
Anna Perna really kind of buried this movie.
I wanted to see the movie very badly,
but I think I had a flight that day. Yeah.
That it was in theaters. It was a movie that
they bizarrely opened wide, which is
something Annapurna decided to do a lot of
this year because they did it with Detroit as well.
And I believe it had the worst opening
weekend in the history of wide releases.
And so then that was that.
Which is too bad. She's wonderful in it. I think the movie
itself is good and has
great moments to it. But I think she is by far the best thing about in it. I think the movie itself is good and has great moments to it.
But I think she is by
far the best thing about the movie. And it's again,
this is the year after Christine, where she also
probably deserved a Best Actress nomination and she didn't get it.
Salma Hayek.
Great sweaters.
Good point. Yeah, you guys both had Hayek.
I mean, I love Salma Hayek.
I even like her in that movie. It's her best performance
ever, no question.
And I think she plays against type without playing against type,
which I like, where you don't feel like she's like,
look at how different I am being.
Absolutely not.
It's a performance that is totally lacking in vanity.
And I'm not saying that for superficial reasons
because she wears less makeup in it than she usually does.
She wears some real good mom jeans in that movie. There is
a confidence in who this
person is that is completely
unchanged by her surroundings
that makes her look
very stubborn.
Well, she's so unpredictable. That's a
performance where it's just like you don't know what she's going to
say from scene to scene and that's what I love. 100%.
Which is my gripe of the movie.
The thing that leaves it off my 10 list is I think
that movie mangles the last five minutes.
You did the blanking choices.
I did. Their winner
was Sally Hawkins.
Kim Min Hee, On the Beach at Night Alone.
I'm assuming you guys, neither of you have seen it.
It's a Hong Sang-soo movie which is about
you know her?
She was in The Handmaiden.
She's been in a couple
hong sing-soo movies who's this korean like rom-com director but it's as you know his movies
are as different as that might you know like he's not he makes odd little comedies and he had an
affair with kim min-hee okay after making a movie with her and this is the movie about their
relationship that they then made together.
Interesting.
It is one of the best breakup movies I have ever seen.
This is essentially about a famous actress
wandering around her old town
and hanging out with people
and them all kind of like trying to figure out ways
to ask around what happened to her
because everyone knows.
I did not know this movie existed until now.
It is so good.
I love it.
I mean, it's a good movie.
I think it's not a good...
If you've never seen a Hong Sang-soo movie,
don't start with this one
because this is him like...
It's a very inward looking movie.
Yeah.
Like start with something like Yourself and Yours
or like...
What's another like good Hong to start with?
But it is a cool movie
and Kim Min-hee rules.
You nominated her, I believe... I believe I nominated believe, two years ago for The Handmaiden.
I think I did.
I think she made your list.
Yeah.
I had a tough time with both of them because I couldn't figure out category placement.
I think one of them got on.
She's right now wrong then.
That's a great movie.
That's the one they made together.
Okay.
Which is essentially two people go on a date.
You watch the date happen.
It doesn't go well. Then the movie resets, and you watch the date happen. It doesn't go well.
Then the movie resets and you watch the date happen again and it goes better.
Oh, that's interesting.
That's the movie.
I like that.
That's cool.
It's often his movies have some odd little twist to them.
Yeah.
It's slightly supernatural.
Yeah.
Anyway, who else did you have?
Do you have anyone else you want to shout out?
We've got a lot of my people.
All right, so who are our winners?
Mine's Meryl in the Post.
Oh, she's good. She's pretty good in good in that movie i mean she should be on my list
i love that performance it's my favorite meryl performance in a decade years in a decade yeah
and it's plus and she makes that movie and i don't think there i think people she's gotten so
rewarded and she's so good that people now have and this happens to her a lot in her career where
early 90s was sort of this was just like oh we've all feel like we know what meryl delivers so we're
we're over it and then she has to come back with something that jolts people out and i think
adaptation was a thing that did it in the early 2000s for sure and i was hoping that this would
be a performance that would do it too and that movie has been sort of and it's inexplicably to
me ignored but yeah it's making money. It's making money.
I think it's a movie
that's going to be
remembered.
It's so good.
And it's a great
performance.
We talked about
fucking smart her
underplaying of all her
big Oscar scenes.
She's so watchable.
Some of the bravest
strategic work I've ever
seen an actor do in
terms of like I'm going
to go against every
single instinct of what
this movie needs at this
moment.
Who's your winner?
My winner is Vicky
Cripps.
Love her.
Mine is Meryl.
Mine is Saoirse.
Alright.
That's a good trio.
Look, I mean
Saoirse.
Fucking great.
And then Sally Hawkins
is the blankie word.
Those are four good winners.
It's a good
quartet of actresses.
Do we do director?
We do but I think
we won't harp on it much
because I assume
we'll be mirrored by
Are we doing screenplay?
Original screenplay.
Lady Bird.
Coco.
Phantom Thread.
Oh my god.
The Shape of Water.
And Beatrice at Dinner.
Okay.
Adapted screenplay.
Molly's Game.
Star Wars The Last Jedi.
Sure.
Call Me By Your Name.
The Lego Batman Movie.
Oh.
And Wonderstruck.
Really?
Sure.
Horrible screenplay in my opinion.
I think it's a very good screenplay.
I think the movie doesn't
100% work. Did Selznick write the screenplay?
Yes. Yeah, he did.
I think it's a very good adaptation
especially if you've read the book which feels
almost unadaptable. I don't know if I would say
that's the whole problem with the movie though.
I think all of the black and white stuff fails in a way that I wish I could put my finger on. I don't know if I would say that's the whole problem with the movie though. I think all of the black and white stuff
fails in a way
that I wish I could
put my finger on.
I don't like any of the
black and white stuff.
I don't think that movie
100% works.
No.
But I do think
it's very well written
and I do think
if we were doing this
I would nominate
in literally
every below the line category.
I mean it looks
beautiful.
It's a nicely made movie.
I think that movie
is incredibly made, scored, shot.
It's my favorite score of the year, I will say.
Beautiful score.
As long as I can't include Hans Zimmer's for Planet Earth 2, which I know is television.
Sure.
So I will not do that.
Do you have screenplay nominees?
I do.
The ones that don't show up on my best picture list, because I feel like that's, you know,
all the best picture stuff we'll talk about in a second.
Okay.
Your Name, adapted screenplay, I think is a great screenplay.
I know a lot of people feel like that's a last year movie.
But I'll be talking about it in a little bit.
In New York, it's a 2017 movie.
In New York, it's a this year movie.
BPM, well, that shows up on my best picture list.
Lady Macbeth, I think, is a really good screenplay adaptation.
And Lost City of Zed is on my list.
Yeah, that's on mine.
Mudbound is my... My adapteds are Lost City, Call Me is on my stream. Yeah, that's on mine. Mudbound is my,
my adapteds are Lost City,
Call Me By Your Name,
Mudbound, Molly's Game,
and Blade Runner 2049.
Okay.
My originals are Lady Bird Get Out,
Big Sick Meyerowitz,
and Phantom Thread.
Nice.
I mean,
originals are like crazy stacked.
Originals are very, very good.
Very strange.
It never happens.
Yeah, there are very few.
Usually adapted is like
where all the best picture contenders live,
and this year they don't. Yeah, it's very few. Usually adapted is like where all the best picture contenders live, and this year they don't.
Yeah, it's very odd.
Okay, best director.
Sure.
Yes.
My nominees are
Guillermo del Toro.
Heard of him?
Fan of the tech.
He watches the tech.
He said it was good.
Really?
Oh, yeah, you told me yeah
for the fan
for the shape of water
yeah
uh no for liking the tick
for liking the tick
Yermel the Torah for
liking the tick
humble brag of
keep going
all humble brags
please I'm begging you
Sean Baker for the Florida Project
yes
Paul Thomas Anderson
for Phantom Thread
yes
Julia DeCornell
for Raw
very good
sure
and
Josh and Benny Safdie for Good Time
Good time
The part in that movie where they played that song
Hanging in a chow
The most strange part of that movie
My director nominees are
Luca Guadagnino for Call Me By Your Name
Christopher Nolan for Dunkirk
David Lowery for A Ghost Story
Greta Gerwig for
Lady Bird and Dee Rees for
Mudbound. Cool. Mine are
James Gray for The Lost Cities.
Sean Baker for The Florida Project.
Greta for Lady Bird.
Paul Thomas Anderson for Phantom Thread and
Christopher Nolan for Dunkack.
Got more English at the end there.
So I feel bad for leaving
Nolan off. Yeah. very well directed movie.
I knew he'd be represented. Very well directed movie.
Insane movie.
It just goes without saying that
it's very much not my type of movie.
We know it's not a griffin movie. I respect it deeply.
It was my 11. He was my 6th
for director. It's an achievement. That's what I always call about that movie.
It's an achievement. Unquestionably.
And I would empirically like it if he
won the Oscar this year. I think he's not going to.
He's not going to.
But I think that's kind of the most directed film of the year.
Sure.
I also think it's well directed.
I do too.
I think it is.
It's very well directed.
I'm not saying that.
Do we have anything else we want to do before we do Best Picture?
We forgot to give our Best Director winners.
Oh, that's true.
And I also.
Joe, yours is?
Mine is Luca Guadagnino.
And mine is Sean Baker.
Okay.
And the Blankies nominated Christopher Nolan, Greta Gerwig, Guillermo del Toro, Denis Villeneuve, and Sean Baker, and they gave the award to Nolan.
Sure.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a good batch this year.
It's a good batch.
It's a real good batch.
Look.
Better than the bad batch, which is not a good movie.
No.
And better than the new batch, which is not a good movie. It's not a good movie.
No, no.
And better than the new batch, which is one of the best movies ever made.
Sure.
Like, we did score sometimes. Some odds and ends.
Sometimes we've done song, but this year is not like a hot song year.
Well, Remember Me is a fucking banger.
Last year was a much better song year, I would say.
I thought the Sufjan Stevens songs and Colin Braynard were very good.
They're good.
Never Enough and
Greatest Showman is the best song in that movie.
Should have been nominated. My favorite
song in
Greatest Showman is From Now On.
Oh, interesting. I don't know why.
I'm a sucker for Rewrite
the Stars. I think that's the
best number in the movie. It's the best number. I think
that's what I'm coming down on. It's the best
stage. The two Myra with stories. Myra and Byron is a very best number. I think that's what I'm coming down on. It's the best stage. The two Meyerowitz stories.
Myron Byron is a very good song.
Yeah, that's fair.
We're also forgetting the other great song of the year,
which is I Found You,
sung by a seven-year-old boy in the end credits
of the Lego Batman movie in character as Robin.
It is very funny.
Griffin Newman.
Yeah, the only other things we've ever done are score and song.
I have a nomination for
the Putters and Murmurs. Great, okay, because
this has been a tough year for me, and I want you to
run by what your choice is,
because I've been struggling. I only have one, because
I figured you might have some more. I have a bunch.
This is where I have Robert Pattinson
and the Lost City of Zed. Oh, good Putters
and Murmurs. Young Putters.
Young Putters.
Here's one I really think
we need to mention
is Agnes Varda
in Faces
oh my god
huge putter and murmur
veteran
I was kind of angling
towards her being
incredible
also
the nuns
in Last Jedi
great putters and murmurs
but also
fish nuns
hashtag times up
a woman has never won
putters and murmurs
before
that's true
can we clarify
for people explain it the putters and murmurs award is the award you think people this deep into
this episode are like what are they talking it's previously gone just in case david i don't know
you're right you're right it's previously gone to joel egerton and loving uh yeah that was one uh
you had ian mckellen and mr holmes right and of course timothy spall
timothy spall and mr turner is the sort of like patron saint of the category right uh and uh it's
it's for the performance that involves the most uh how would i describe it uh puttering around and
murder um you know i'll say i had this thing where I retroactively feel bad.
We gave it to Edgerton last year, but I think— Well, you were sort of casting about for someone to have.
Right, and I overlooked a big putter murmur, which was Mark Rylance as the BFG.
I think I mentioned him.
Maybe not.
We mentioned him in that episode.
Edgerton is very putter and murmury in It Comes at Night.
True.
So I feel like if I had done my work correctly last year and given it to Rylance, I might have given it to Edgerton this year.
You did a Russell Crowe for Gladiator instead of Beautiful Mind.
So I think this year Agnes Varda is winning.
Yeah.
The putters and murmurs.
Did you guys see Menashe?
No.
The Yiddish language movie?
I mean, that's a movie with a putter and murmur as its lead. Yeah. guys see Menashe? No. The Yiddish language movie? I mean, that's a movie with a putter and murmur
as its lead.
Yeah.
Cool.
Menashe Lustig.
Joan Didion
in the Joan Didion documentary.
Sure.
Richard Gere
in Norman?
Yeah.
Hello.
This is a category
that skews old.
Sure.
Let's be honest.
I did give you Robert Pattinson,
the youngest ever nominee
for putters and murmurs.
I think that's a great choice.
He's breaking records.
He's the Justin Henry at Beckham.
Now, if I can just give out some of the Bennys quickly.
Oh, yeah.
There aren't nominees.
They're just winners for these, okay?
Okay.
For the Bennys.
Pro-doer, the person who's able to do the most efficient, impressive work.
All right.
Ridley Scott reshooting all the money in the world.
True.
I agree with that.
Yeah.
You got it done.
Poet laureate, actor who really kind of makes
their dialogue sing. I'm paraphrasing
some of these descriptions.
Mickey Stahlberg for Call Me By Your Name.
The Tiebreaker
Award, ironically, was
a dead tie, so there was no
consensus pick there.
Fart detective for the actor who is
I guess most capably
able to...
Detective Fart?
They give it to Laurel for Get Out.
He does detect that fart real fast.
I guess it's the most skeptical performance.
I think that's what it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Fuckmaster, self-explanatory, goes to Armie Hammer for Common Fire Name.
That's pretty good.
We might have to add the Peach Eater to Ben's nickname list.
No.
White Hot Benny, which is like kind of breaking out the barn doors,
goes to Timothee Chalamet.
Hello Fennel for Best Debut goes to Greta Gerwig for Lady Bird.
Dirt Bike sounds like it's an ensemble award for the kids from It.
Okay.
Soak and Wet for literally just wettest performance,
Doug Jones' Shape of Water.
Yep. literally just wettest performance Doug Jones Shape of Water and Mr. Positive
for the brightest light
is Gal Gadot
for Wonder Woman
a category that will
definitely be won
by Paddington next year
and then of course
the close personal friend
of Dan Lewis award
for being a close personal friend
of Dan Lewis on screen
goes to Vicky Creeps
I thought you were going to say Leslie Manville, but yes.
Manville. Well, she's sort of a sibling.
You can give it to either one.
So it's just down to your best pictures, huh?
Well, I want to do my scores.
I'm doing my scores.
Oh, you're going to do scores.
Also, if I can just say, I laugh alone from the Reddit ass
that we mentioned the blanky Discord group.
I don't even understand what Discord is.
It's like a chat room.
Enough with the Redditors.
I mean, I love them, but you know.
They've had their day in court. They're gonna get so angry.
Best picture. No, I'm doing
my scores. Here are my scores. Zimmer for
Dunkirk. One O-Tricks
Point Never. Is that how you say it? For
good time? Wow. It's a fucking banging
score. Agreed. This electronic
musician. Marianelli for Darkest
Hour. That's like the main character in that
movie yeah daniel hart in a ghost story that's also the main character yeah fucking my winner
is christopher spelman velocity is that that thing is the greatest score that score like is
like longing in a score my nominees are
shape of water nice score i really like it I think it's like fine day plot.
I think it's Valerian's score.
I watched the movie again and I liked the score.
The score really stood out to me.
It's a nice score.
This is a big grow for me because the first time I thought the score was a little too big for the film.
The second time I thought it was just right.
John Bryan and Lady Bird.
Lovely score.
One of my favorite film composers.
It's a small score in terms of quantity, but it's very nice.
It felt a little emotionally large for the movie.
The first time I saw it and the second time, it was just click right there.
With You on Good Time,
Wonderstruck, Carter Burwell.
Very nice score. That's in there for me too.
Johnny Green with Phantom Threat.
Oh, I forgot about that.
I may have done my score list a while ago.
Maybe I fucked you on this one.
Blade Runner's got some cool shit going on.
It's tough to know what's original
and what's homage
best adapted ROMs
yeah basically
do you have any scores
you wanted to shout out
I think you guys
mentioned a lot
of Wonderstruck
Lady Bird
Phantom Thread
it's a lot of good scores
well you know
I got my categories
time for Ben
he's been working
okay
so I'm bringing back
a category from the first year, which is remakes.
This is the one where you made one of them fruit.
You made the Eighth Flight fruit.
So this is a category where I picked movies from 2017 that should be remade with either
babies, animals, or puppets.
Right.
And then you decided one was fruit.
But also fruit and now clowns too.
Okay.
So number one, The Greatest Showman,
or how about The Greatest Showbaby?
That's a cute little thing there, right?
That's going to make so much money.
Griffin's got a real Ben face on right now.
Number two, Baby Driver.
No, no, no.
Fruit Driver.
What?
Why?
It's even cuter now.
What's driving?
Like what's the fruit that's driving?
Like what's the main fruit?
Melon.
Sure.
I would've gone with a bunch of grapes,
but you know what?
A melon's good.
Well,
you know what they say?
Honeydew is the money melon.
That's true.
That's true.
Okay.
Number three,
all the money in the world.
Instead of Chris Plummer, you could have just done like a CGI puppet,
and it would have been a quicker fix there.
Right?
Just have Statler play that character.
See?
Yeah, you get it.
Number four, Molly's Game.
So I feel like Sorkin should make a puppy movie.
Puppy.
Yeah.
And then he could totally reference that painting of dogs playing poker.
I can't.
God damn it.
And then number five, it's Pirates of the Caribbean, Dead Men Tell No Tales.
Everyone's favorite movie.
Sure.
Everyone remembers it.
What about Clowns of the Caribbean, Dead Jesters, Hocknall Horns?
What?
All right.
All right.
What else you got, Benny?
This is a favorite of mine, wetter movies.
Of course.
The wets.
The wetties.
The slickest flicks of the year.
Slickest flicks of the year slickest flicks
of the year number one blade runner 2049 that's some future wet right there oh yeah i tanya it's
frozen but it's still wet and for sure slippery quantity a lot of it yeah yeah uh dunkirk everyone
is soaked to death yeah uh shape of water Water, I mean, that's just obvious.
And then finally, speaking of an Aquaman,
we have my man in Justice League.
Cyborg.
Right, yep.
And it's also very sweaty.
That is a sweaty movie.
Both in terms of the sweat on their bodies and the plotting.
Boy, I watched that movie a second time recently.
Did you?
Why?
Because I was with my friends.
Did you have a screener or something?
A drunk in a hotel, and they all voted to watch that because they hadn't seen it before.
Was this in Toronto?
Did you just re-watch this?
This was in Toronto.
We always watch movies together when my buddies and I go to Toronto to visit our other buddies.
And you watched that instead of a movie.
The two movies that were voted for as the double feature were both because of how savage our dunks were on them.
On the pod?
People said, now I need to see them.
So was it Book of Henry?
Correct.
We opened the book.
We cracked open the book.
It's like a Streisand effect.
Is that a movie that holds up?
I'm going to say something insane.
Okay.
That movie, your brain starts warping and bending to it the second time you've seen it
where you know where it's going,
where you're like,
of course that's what happens in the book of Henry.
Yeah, well, of course,
you gotta read the book.
Like, it's still horrible,
but you're like, right,
but then that's obviously what the next scene is.
You stop being astonished by its awfulness
and just like, well, this is just objectively bad.
Justice League, though,
God, is that thing fucking sweaty.
Very sweaty.
Are you done with your categories, Brandon?
Oh, I have a new one.
A new one.
Debuting.
Should have had Jared Leto in it.
Okay, number one, Bright.
Very into this category.
Great first nominee.
Come on, right?
You should have been.
More like Bright.
One of them elves.
Not right.
How about Wonder, just to kind of give it some edge?
Definitely not an edgy movie, Wonder.
No.
So you just want to make it a little more twisted.
Yeah.
Number three, Get Out.
He could play himself, just like a bad white person.
Sure.
Right.
Just scared Lito is himself.
Number four, again, as himself, but as the baby.
Embossed baby.
Sure.
Right.
Right. Sure. Right, right.
Number five, Mother,
where he also could have been the baby that gets torn apart.
Spoiler alert. Yeah, I mean, that's the
one where I agree with you. I would have liked
to have seen Jared Leto
in that role. What else you got, Benny?
Okay, you know, honorable mention, good time
because it's a scumbag romp
I really need it
downsizing
because people are small
but then people are also big
sure
have you seen it yet
future dystopian flick
which I love
I haven't
he told me all about it
I'm really into it
so I will
definitely see it
it's a movie that plays
very well when you describe
the concept of it
to someone
a lot better than when
it actually plays out
continue defending it
as a gentleman's B-.
But that's it for
me. I have one
last one, but we'll see if we have time for it.
So why don't we just get into
our best picture. He wants the last word. Ben
wants the last word. That's fine with me.
It's also two hours.
We just hit two hours.
See, it's not so bad.
It's not so bad.
Ehrlich has played this trick on me
when we're having dinner.
He did it recently where he picked up the bill
and he was like, $600?
$600?
And I was like, what?
And I grabbed it.
It was like $150.
He was like, see, now you feel better.
It's great comedy.
Okay, for best picture.
Yes. How are we doing this? Let's great comedy. Yep. Okay. For best picture.
Yes.
Yep.
How are we doing this?
I think we go from- Let's just each read our list out.
10 to 1.
All right.
Sure, you can do 10 to 1.
Yeah.
That's what I'm going to do.
Okay, you want to go first?
Sure.
My number 10 is a movie called Princess Sid, directed by Stephen Cone.
Great movie.
Just outside my top 10.
It's probably the smallest movie on my list.
If you haven't heard of it, seek it out.
It's really good. I believe it's on vod or whatever it is it's on yeah you can and watch it today
it's a contemporary sort of coming of age coming of age from a little bit but also just kind of
like a summer movie you know girl and her aunt sort of like challenging each other on some really
interesting ways steven cone directed a movie called Wise Kids. It's one of my favorite little movies
ever. Number nine,
Mother.
Which I know is not everybody's favorite movie.
I don't know how you guys feel about Mother.
Is something burning in here? Because I smell a
hot take. I kind of came around
on Mother. Did you really? I kind of like Mother.
It's not a top ten for me.
I like the Mother exists. I still don't think it's a good movie.
I like the provocation of it. I like the fact Exists. I still don't think it's a good movie. More like a top. I like the provocation of it.
I like the fact that it had everybody arguing about what it meant for a good two weeks there.
It was.
I love the provocation of it.
I just wish I loved it.
It just loses me in the last act.
But anyway.
It's super punk.
It is.
Number eight, Mudbound.
Number seven, A Ghost Story.
Number six, The Meyerowitz Stories.
Number five, Get Out. Number four, The Post. Number three, Mudbound. Number seven, A Ghost Story. Number six, The Meyerowitz Stories. Number five, Get Out.
Number four, The Post.
Number three, Lady Bird.
Number two, BPM, Beats Per Minute.
And number one is Call Me By Your Name.
Nice.
My order, I feel like I could kind of throw these movies in a bag and shake them up.
Yeah.
I don't even, reading this.
All right, you great artiste.
But I'm just going to read it.
Okay.
Yeah. who cares?
Who cares?
Sure be her.
She only lives?
Number 10.
All right.
Wonder Woman.
Okay.
All right.
Number nine.
Your Name.
Very good movie.
Yep.
Lovely movie.
Number eight.
Good Time.
Number seven. Coco. Number six. maybe you should say it how it is one
time so people coco there we go number six phantom thread number five raw number four the florida
project number three the lego batman movie nice number two The Work
my favorite documentary
of the year
by a mile
and number one
The Shape of Water
nice
I love how all in you are
on Raw
I'm all about Raw
Raw was not a movie
I loved
I liked it
I had a problem
with all the eating
loved it
that definitely bugged me
loved it
looked tasty
oh my god
that eating
alright number 10 for me
Valerian
and the City
of a Thousand Planets
did I tell you I saw that movie
yeah
I liked it
yeah it's good
I wish I loved it
it's a great movie
you know how much I wish
I loved that movie
I think
it'll come to you
in your own time
if they make a cut
where Christopher Plummer
replaces Dane DeHaan
don't even talk to me
about my baby Dane
he's so good in that movie
I can't stand DeHaan
both DeHaan and Cara Delevingne
would be on my top 10.
Bananas.
No, you're bananas.
You're a big banana.
You're in his Baby Driver fruit.
I play Jamie Fah.
I don't know about that.
Number 10, Valerian in the City of a Thousand Planets.
Number 9, Personal Shopper.
Number 8, Call Me By Your Name.
Number seven, Star Wars, The Last Jedi.
Number six, Get Out.
Number five, Lady Bird.
Number four, Dunkirk.
Number three, The Florida Project.
Number two, Phantom Thread.
Number one, The Lost City of Zed.
Nice.
Yeah.
Very good.
Scratch my face.
That's a very good good strong list right there
Lost City's been my
number one all year
I love that movie
it's one of my favorite
movies of recent times
it's your Lego Batman
I was just kind of like
yeah well nothing
I won't like anything
more than that
this year
like I wasn't even
really worried about it
and then I saw
Phantom Threat
that one's the only one
where I kind of
had to think about
like oh fuck
that's so good though
I'll say I also
I feel like two years from now I will be stunned that I didn't put Phantom Thread as my number one.
So good.
Like, because even like, Inherent Vice didn't make my 10 that year.
No, Inherent Vice is a flawed movie.
I like it, though.
It's grown for me so much.
Yeah, yeah, I like it.
I just think that movie's only going to expand.
Phantom Thread.
But Shape of Water is just kind of like it's a very hard movie
for me to intellectualize
and defend
in that way.
What a lot of people
who enjoy the movie say.
Either I feel like
it totally works for you
or if it doesn't work for you
you're able to throw out
all the complaints you have.
I kind of react to it
the same way
that most people
including myself
seem to react to Paddington.
I love Paddington.
Where it's just like
an incredibly well-crafted movie
that reflects
About Sally Hawkins
having an interesting relationship with a creature.
Yes.
With great underwater acting.
No, I just feel like it is a movie that paints with a very broad brush.
It is not super complicated in terms of what it is saying.
Its heart is on its sleeve.
Yeah.
And it's just about trying to find the decency in people, which.
And it's got a real cohesive vibe. Yeah. And I think that about trying to find the decency in people which And it's got a real
cohesive vibe.
Yeah.
And I think that's what
like Del Toro
is very good at.
And here's the biggest
element of the vibe
and it's just like
he made a movie
for me specifically.
I'm not saying only for me
but it's like
a thing I always wanted
that no one is crazy
enough to bankroll
which is
make a children's film
for grown-ups.
That movie really
I compare it to pannington
because it has a very similar sort of like broad primitive symbolic friend hoffner's review which
one of shape of water what you said what if lilo and stitch was rated r yes yeah yeah it does it
feels like that to me and i i just i love it i love it probably phantom thrower will be my favorite
movie of the year a year from now but It's fine. I think it's cool.
Your number one's Call Me.
My number one's Call Me.
I feel like it's just sometimes I feel like it's a little cliche and I feel a little self-conscious about like, oh, my favorite movie is the big gay romance.
But like, sorry, like I am what I am.
Great movie.
It's the most complete vision of it just puts me in a place.
I think the second time I saw it, which I with you was what really sealed it i was like oh i still feel this sort of like weird floaty thing as i'm
like walking out of the theater i'm like okay that's that tells me something that's everything
that i like this year has been so very like rewatchable the post i'll watch a billion more
times ladybird um myra with stories yes coco get out um but yeah I think Call Me By Your Name
is
just does stuff with
character
and with place
and you know
leaves such a
like
leaves you in such a state
well
those are
our blank awards
Ben
what's up
you had one more category
well I was gonna say
Fernand as always
oh okay Fern
is that fine?
I don't know what it is.
He's got some secret end category.
Billy Crystal comes on, makes a joke about how long the ceremony was.
Right, right.
Da-da-da-da-da.
Driving Miss Daisy directed itself.
Right, yeah.
Oh, God.
Dick Clark production.
Sure, sure, sure.
Did Clark produce the Oscars?
No, he produces the Globes.
Come on, we're not big enough to get the same producers as the Oscars.
We're not going to get Gil Cates to produce this.
He's dead.
Well, so is Dick Clark.
Dick Clark Productions.
His company, the legacy lives on.
No, I don't think we could get them, but I do think we could get dead Dick Clark.
You know what I mean?
To produce it.
We can definitely get Dick Clark.
With like dead Army Archer on the red carpet.
Exactly.
And like the ghosts are all there.
Yeah.
Dead Dominic Dunn will write the expose.
I think Crystal would do it too.
I think he's just hurting to do a hostess show.
I would wait for him to die.
Okay.
Good.
Anyway.
Great way to end an episode with wishing for Billy Crystal's death.
No, Billy.
Stick around.
Hey, look.
We'll rip Billy hard in a future bonus episode.
That is true.
And whoa, is he sexy.
We're going to put him on ice.
I cannot wait for the Redditors to guess and completely fail to identify what that episode could fucking be.
If this isn't a My Giant episode, I am not going to be satisfied.
God damn it, Joe figured it out.
Okay.
And there's one more bombshell I want to throw out. What? Because I forgot this was the episode where we going to be satisfied. Goddammit, Joe figured it out. There's one more bombshell I want to
throw out. What? Because I forgot this was the episode
where we wanted to announce it.
We get people speculating about what miniseries we're going to cover.
We have to announce this. We have to announce it right here. It's true.
What miniseries we're going to cover. What directors
we're going to cover. People writing in requests all
the time. I don't know about you, but basically now
anytime I tweet about a movie
or a filmmaker, at least
one person is like,
oh, can we get a blank check miniseries on that?
Right.
Now, we're trying to bank up episodes like crazy before Tick season two starts, humble brag.
No one should ever make a TV show,
but I'm doing it again.
And so we are going to have most of our episodes
for the year saved up.
That's the plan.
Well in advance.
That's amazing.
But the miniseries that we will be doing in October.
Yeah, like way into the fall.
Right.
When you're back.
When I'm back.
When you're back, baby.
Right.
It's the next one that has not been decided.
We are going to do, for the first time ever,
blank check March Madness.
We're doing a
bracket
this is very up
Joe's alley
a tourney bracket
with 32 options
that's right
people that we've
batted around
people that the fans
have demanded
no one that we
don't want to cover
correct
so if they're not
on that list
that's why
32 people
who we would
happily do a
miniseries on and a wide range
of different directors different head to head yes so it's going to be a series throughout march of
head to head battles check our social media for that i believe it will be twitter polls cut out
for her and just gonna do a lot of polls every day yes's going to be a lot of fucking head-to-heads.
That's true.
I'm super here for this,
you guys.
Yeah.
It's going to be
fucking great.
It's going to be fun.
God knows who they'll pick,
but we'll figure out
the final 32.
We'll figure it out.
I believe you have
the rough list, right?
I do.
We have to triple confirm it.
We've come up with a couple lists.
We're cool with everyone.
Yeah.
Weirdly, even with 32,
we're leaving some big people off.
Of course.
But excited. There's a couple I want to to ask but I don't want to ask on air
and have it be like
it's fine
Walt Becker's gonna win
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That's right.
We got to talk about this.
She debuted her new podcast Called Night Call
Maybe you guys could tell the fans a little bit more about it
Well
She also has co-hosts
You know more than us you're the producer on it
I'm talking
No I'm talking
Emily is the mother of Blankies as we all know
And she's going to join the Five Timers Club soon
In fact spoiler alert
And
She has reunited with her Girls in Hoodies pals She's going to join the Five Timers Club soon, in fact. Spoiler alert.
She has reunited with her Girls in Hoodies pals from back in the day. I don't know if you guys listen to Girls in Hoodies.
I used to listen every week.
Did you listen, Joe?
I loved it.
One of my favorite podcasts.
So she's with Maya Lambert.
She's with Tess Lynch.
And yeah, it's on our network, right?
It's an audio boom.
Ben's working on it.
I'm the producer.
And it's a audio boom original it's called nice i'm the producer and that's a really fun show um i i hope that everyone uh gives it a listen and look if you like black check you love
eeo undoubtedly oh yes yes yes yeah right and and you like hearing friends talk you like
conversational podcasts of people speaking passionately about things they love.
Especially pop culture and stuff, right?
That's what they're talking about.
They talk about pop culture, sort of like weird mysteries.
Weird internet sort of oddities.
Tangents.
This is a straight line.
If you like this show, you're not listening to that show.
You're doing it wrong.
That's all I'm going to say.
I agree.
Taking calls too?
That call?
We will be taking voicemails.
Oh, sure.
And we will be taking emails. Sure.
Electronic mail?
That's electronic mail? Can you imagine?
They have the internet on computers now.
Yes, they do. And I will insert
that information because I don't have it
in front of me. It's here.
2-4-0-4-6
night or night call
podcast at Gmailmail all right ben
okay great and as always my last category the um no thank you three billboards outside i'm no thank
you i don't drive anymore so i'm not interested in that the The best category of theater. Murder on the Orient Express.
This is like LARPing.
No, thank you.
LARPing.
Darkest Hour.
Yeah, more like me sleeping in the theater.
No, thank you.
Geostorm.
A Weather Machine movie.
What is this?
The Cold War.
I don't know.
The Mount Between Us.
No, no, not between me. No, no. Maybe between you, but not me. No, no, not between me.
No, no.
Maybe between you,
but not me.
No, thank you.
The only person in the world
making mountains between us, Joe.
And Wonder Wheel.
Sure.
No.
No, thank you.
No, thank you.
And thanks to Ben
for reminding me of my hot take,
which I'll leave here.
Oh, no.
I ask this to the listener.
Would three billboards not be 25% better
if Regina King played the Frances McDormand role?
She'd be good.
Think on that, motherfuckers.
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