Blank Check with Griffin & David - They Live! with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger

Episode Date: October 17, 2021

Don’t adjust your sunglasses - it’s another epic crossover podcast! The Doughboys join #TheTwoFriends to tackle Carpenter’s still-relevant anti-capitalist alien action classic. Is “Rowdy” Roddy Piper the greatest wrestler-turned-actor? Who actually wrote the iconic bubblegum line? Which hard seltzer is the best and why is it White Claw Surge? And yes, of course we have to talk about that iconic fight scene. Join our Patreon at patreon.com/blankcheck Follow us @blankcheckpod on Twitter and Instagram! Buy some real nerdy merch at shopblankcheckpod.myshopify.com

I have come here to chew bubblegum and podcast. And I'm all out of bubblegum. I mean, there's no choice. I just have no choice. Look, there's a white line. I'm going to walk it. He improvised that. He says he improvised it.

Carpenter says he wrote it. But Carpenter is also like like but it's his line man i mean it wouldn't work without him but it is funny they both agree that he wrote it the disagreement is that roddy claimed that he came up with it on the day and carpenter claimed that he was going through roddy's notebook of like a bunch of wrestling promo lines because he would just idly write down he would idly write down lines for promos and he saw that in there one day and went like that's good um i a lot of them i mean feel like uh uh you know you look like your head fell in the cheese dip back in 1957 like that i know it's

pointed at that specific woman with that hairdo but that also feels like something that could have been in his promo book yeah definitely that's just now funny to think about the like uh just sort of like a big wrestler with like a little moleskin just writing down badass slams like you know anytime it occurs yeah like he goes to the valet and he just like dunks on somebody and then writes it down i mean that's good that's good yeah that was good what i said to that guy i insulted him that was good b i i know it's part of a bigger line but telling someone to start eating that trash can is another incredible one hey ben what you better produce this podcast or start eating that trash can damn all right you mean business um look our guests today are gentlemen but they they should loosen up

because we of course like people to speak before they're introduced on this show right not like they're very strict and regimented show which wherever the guest is always quiet right it's a very formalized show yeah right right life's a bitch and she's back at heat sorry that's another one that's another one that feels like that had to be a roddy promo line right it sounds like it it's a great line they're also they're very different than carpenter one-liners doesn't duke nukem steal the bubblegum line am i I making that up? Yes. I was going to say this.

So this is how I found out about They Live was via Duke Nukem. Duke Nukem 3D, the first person shooter where the player character Duke Nukem literally just has all these quips and these quips are just stolen from movies. So he literally will just be like

go ahead ahead make my day or uh or he says yippee-ki-yay motherfucker and one of his lines were was i wrote it down because the game mangles it a little bit but in the game he says it's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum and i'm all out of gum and me and my friend john savi who both played this game would quote this line to each other, and that's how we backed into our knowledge of the movie They Live. Because we're like, what's that from?

Oh, it's from They Live. What would you quote it? What were you about to do before you quoted that line, is my question. Get our asses kicked. And you also had plenty of gum. Yeah, lots of gum.

Also, by the way, go ahead and make my day actually was duke nukem first right that yeah i stole that he just he was such a nukem head that's why my my elementary school friend gavin had the poster for duke nukem 3d on his wall you know wow like with the two guns where he's shooting down. And when I was like 10 years old, I was like, that's the coolest possible thing you could have on your wall. There's nothing better than this poster. It kind of still is. Yeah. I'll argue like if I was on a date and I was lucky enough to be invited back to a woman's place afterwards where I granted the honor and I saw that on her

wall I would maybe propose marriage instantly and I've never played a Duke Nukem game she'd be like get out of here freak I know she'd be like it's a test and you failed no but if you walked into someone's apartment and they had a duke nukem 3d poster in the year 2021 right right and we are all men in our 30s no nick you're in your 40s now i'm in my

40s yeah i'm in my fourth decade okay so three of us it's rough four of us are young men you're actually in your nick i hate to break the, but you're actually in your fifth decade. Ah, if you did this, you're right. You've actually missed four decades. You've entered the fifth. Yeah, you're right. Sorry, wow. You've entered the fifth.

Fuck. Yikes. Awful. There are four young men on this show. Filled with joie de vivre. And one man on the other side. But I think if anyone in our general age bracket had a Duke Nukem 3D poster today, I'd be seriously impressed.

Right. You would think about marriage. Duke very Carpentry in general, right? I never played any of these games. But the vibe of that feels very, or should I say this? Duke Nukem feels very Kurt Russell to me. 100%. That's the most most it's not

exactly that right yeah he's he's funny he's funny he's got quips you know again just stolen from other movies uh but he's but he's like he's he's a he's an exaggeration of the action hero he's like a you know kind of a self-aware parody of the the badass. It's very Kurt Russell. It seems like pretty directly pulled from Big Trouble in Little China, honestly. Yeah, and Snake Plissken, it's maybe like a 50. Although, I mean, fucking Solid Snake is pulled from Snake Plissken. It is funny.

I mean, we'll get into it. But for a movie that is so kind of anti-capitalist, the biggest running theme, I feel, across what, the 10 episodes we've done so far, these couple of months we've already spent digging into Carpenter,

is every single episode, every bit of research we do, there is at least two anecdotes about him being angry that he didn't get paid for something. Right. Yes. And this one, Griffin, I'm sorry, it's Shepard Fairey didn't get paid for something right yes and this one griffin i'm sorry uh it's a shepherd fairy right he jokes about that correct yeah yeah he goes that shit

should pay me like any anyone who is inspired by his work he argues should pay him and then there's a quote here in the dossier about carpenter being like no i mean come on i love making money i'm a total i'm a pig in shit are you kidding me it's it's his whole thing we're all sellouts that just just just because he hates it doesn't mean he's not also like yeah maybe i'm a sellout who cares pay me he just wants to play his video games it's the system we we have to live within it's the obey thing though the shepherd fairy thing it just is obey from the movie it's just like lifted from the production design it's just like that was it it's a is it a matte painting it's just the same thing yeah also my my thing is is like oh that would be a cool poster to have a they live like

obey poster but now it's shepherd fairy is now it's just it's it's over yeah it's over you can't do it right yeah he made it not cool it is wild that he has built such a career for himself off of like fucking decals right like sure like i well you know i grew up in fucking new york city i remember seeing those things pop up when they started when it was just like that's a striking sticker and it was the andre the giant right so he took a guy's fucking face and he took a fucking typographical logo from a different movie and he put them together and he built a fucking empire on it and when it was like some weird underground thing popping up on like fucking lampposts and whatever you were like oh cool and then when he's doing I don't know supreme collabs or whatever you're like he

should be paying the entre the giant estate yeah he should agree i agree with that uh griffin introduce our podcast this is a podcast called blank check with griffin and david i'm griffin oh yeah i'm david hell yeah yeah you're excited today i am excited i saw a good movie this morning they were with my friends the dough boys uh well no i saw they live yes i saw uh memoria i saw a pitch upon we're a set of that we're we're a sethical and you know i'm trying my best a movie most people will have to wait 15 years to see sure yes well i just saw it i loved it uh do you guys know about this uh nick and mitch i'm gonna introduce you in a second you haven't been introduced yet uh no what is it i don't know about it either this guy's new movie uh they announced

that it's never gonna be released on streaming it's never gonna be released on home video it's never gonna be rentable their plan is to have the way i i would i would assume none of that is true i agree that's what they're saying what they're saying they're saying what they're saying is that this movie is just going to play in theaters indefinitely but it's only going to play at one theater at a time it's going to play one scream it'll be a road show it's an open-ended road show it will never play in more than one screen one theater one city at a given time wow yeah i'm into it i'm into it too yeah people are mad but it's like i don't know his last movie was in two theaters total basically so it's

not exactly uh you know but anyway who knows all i'll say is if it's ever in your town go see it's two hours and 15 minutes long tilda swinton listening to noises it's great and here's what i'll say this is a podcast about filmographies directors who have massive success early on in their careers are given a series of blank checks make whatever crazy passion projects they want and sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby yes this is a mini series on the films of john carpenter it's called they podcast we finally arrived at the titular wow movie wow you guys got the title movie what an honor we got the title movie eliciting those famous double wows joining us today of course nick weiger mike mitchell the doughboys wow hi hi thank you for

having us this is very exciting thank you for returning we should note we always a thrill to be here we should note that griffin is wearing sunglasses i'm just during this record i'm just checking just checking i just you know know, I hope you like the look of my skull and robot eyes. I do. Well, that's what it looks like when I take the sunglasses off. Oh, okay.

God, I wish I looked like a skeleton. These guys, they're my inspiration. I'd love to be a walking skeleton man. Great bone structure. It's like unbelievable

cheekbones. Very striking. I guess that is a good question of what these aliens great bone structure it's like unbelievable cheekbones very striking what what i guess that is a good question of what these aliens are and and like like what are the because they are kind of bony but they are a little bug like it's kind of hard to put your finger on what type of aliens we're looking at here you see one of them naked at the end there and he's just a guy kind of painted green and red right like he's basically humanoid blue blue and red yeah yeah it's it's an incredible color scheme it is it's cool and an incredible ending by the way that's it's great that's a fantastic ending

to the movie ending on boobs that's carpenter he's like i'll end on the boobs i'm gonna draw you in with the boobs it's right at the end send them home horny yeah that's carpenter's carpenter's favorite move is to leave every audience member in a position where it's difficult for them to leave the theater you know where you're trying to figure out like how do you don't work i'll run the credits slow you freaks you'll have a minute this griffin this film is they live it came out in 1988 it rules it's a cool movie for cool people it's at the end of a run of one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven so it's 11 theatrical movies i mean i'm ignoring the two tv movies but that is a basically unimpeachable run. A run of 11 movies. I would say so.

Where you would basically could any you could argue about any of them. Like, that's my favorite of all the great movies. Like, maybe it's a little weird if you're picking like Christine or whatever. But like, you know, I'll hear you out. This was a debate being had on the blank check on the red reddit recently of is there a stronger run we have ever covered slash is there a stronger director run unbroken that has ever existed it's the unbrokenness yeah right the least generous version of it is you start it with halloween right if you want to say like dark Star is a little more

of an acquired taste. Assault on Precinct 13 is, like, so nasty and rough and tumble. Not everyone might agree on that being a masterpiece, although I would. But yes, pretty much

up until this point, like, Memoirs of a Visible Man is his first outright stinker. That's the one that you would be really weird if you even said it was good. That would be a really out there take. I don't know what you guys think. I'll just

read them out to you guys. I'm sure you know. But yeah, Dark Star, Precinct 13, Halloween, The Fog, Escape from New York, The Thing, Christine, Starman, Big Trouble in Little China, Prince of Darkness, and They Live. That's the run. There's not a bad movie

I agree, it's unimpeachable I believe Mitch's favorite Carpenter is the thing one of his favorite movies ever I go Starman you love Starman I love Starman I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be funny

here, but that makes a lot of sense Starman, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be funny here, but that makes a lot of sense. Starman, of course, a man imitating human experience. Talking funny. Right. Only grounded by his relationship to his, or Stat's wife. Nick, have you always loved Starman?

Like, did you see that like as a kid or as a teen or whatever and love it? Or did you come to it later? Did you watch it as an alien baby on the floor trying to figure out what to? Right. It was your parents had it running, projected on the wall in the background, and you slowly morphed into it. Yes. Let me figure out how to puppet this meat suit.

I was, yeah, I saw it as a kid. I saw it as a kid a few times. Rewatched it as an kid I saw it as a kid a few times rewatch it as an adult holds up yeah I listened to your guys episode about it I mean it's a I love it and I'll also say this I like

that they have I like the sex scene in Starman me too I like that they fuck I'm glad they fuck most movies should have a sex scene in my opinion weird weird weird anti-sex scene discourse sometimes but you know most movies why not i'm glad that they fucking and they live i'm glad that that happens at the end i'm glad that the alien fucks the lady yeah we've yes the two characters we just met so i'm with you were like

yeah this is a nine out of ten but i got one complaint and then last scene you're like 10 out of 10 yeah well dad was checking his watch a little bit and then perks up right at the end like oh boy all right uh it is bizarre the way that argument pops up again on twitter every four days of just someone very boldly saying, I know no one asked me, but I think that no sex scenes should exist ever. People love to say stuff like that. The thing is in my top, God, it could be top five favorite movies, but top 10 for sure.

I love the thing. And I saw the thing late. I saw the thing when I was like a sophomore or junior in college and so kind of late as far as you know uh developing because i liked horror and i but i just had never and then i was in like a sci-fi class or something like like i think it was a i don't know some bullshit college class about sci-fi where we watch sci-fi movies and uh and they they put on that scene from uh the they put in the scene the scene from the thing where everyone's tied to the chairs and uh and and

then uh they they're testing the blood the blood test scene and i was like wow i gotta watch this whole movie this is the scene is insane and scary is insane the guy like vibrating in the chair i mean that scene rules it rules it jumps to the ceiling and then i watched the movie and i was like i can't believe i've never seen this or really hear her like you know haven't really heard people talk about it too much i think it was maybe slightly before it's it had a kind of had a renaissance and people people people love the thing and i feel i feel like people rank it pretty high now too but i had never i hadn't even really known of it or heard about it and i just think it's the best horror sci-fi movie in the snow there's ever been it doesn't need all those

factors but it well that's i mean when we did our episode we had a pretty serious conversation of like is this the best thing we've covered on the podcast ever right griff i mean it was it was a debate it was in the contest it's in the conversation and we've we've covered some pretty big honking movies we sure have hotel transylvania too amongst them that's true right mel brooks is in that one i just think that movie is just a practical that's the practical effect powerhouse that every horror movie should watch the thing and try to make things look like the thing. You posed an interesting question. We have a group text, the four of us. Blanked out.

That's right. Blanked out. You posed an interesting question to the text the other day which was is there any effective use of cgi in horror yes like what horror movies if any use cgi to their benefit yeah yeah and i think there are some but few few there are few though i do think you're onto something in that more so than any other genre perhaps the conjuring uses cgi very well but it uses it fairly sparingly which is probably part of why i said to mitch one of the examples i liked is the crooked man and conjuring too because i think that's a very specific type of creature that you couldn't really realize practically but you said you

don't like the i don't like the crooked man it it's the it's the moment that took me out of the conjuring conjuring 2 but i do like conjuring 1 and i do know that they use you know there's cgi in it and i i think it's it's it's effective i think of a movie look look there's some movies that use cgi and they're like we're using cgi and you're going to be on board here and i feel like hotel transylvania 2 hotel transylvania 2 very early incredible use of cgi very early on they make it clear but like a starship troopers like a starship troopers i think is also one of my in my top 20 movies um but that's like more action sci-fi like genres where you can argue there are many films that are clearly improved by the advent of CGI.

Horror maybe benefits from tactility. Well, I know this movie is flawed and it's not a great movie, but I do think the first It... Wait, they live? No, no, they live rules. Oh, I'm sorry. The first It uses... That's like to me a fun CG blockbuster horror movie, right?

That's sort of like the good version of it, right? That's a half and half for me. there are moments where i wish they scaled it back and there are moments they use cgi in a way you could not uh use any other methods to achieve i i mean the ring was the obvious example i threw out the king the ring the ring is the big one but even that you know it doesn't use it too much it just uses it for very crucial scares which is why it's cool right but like look at this film they live a movie in which its greatest effect is switching from black and white to color yes and back and forth right all the aliens i believe was a huge pain in the ass actually huge pain in the ass but is an incredibly like just sort of simple, practical, time-consuming trick.

Yes. Right? Of just having to redress everything over and over and over again. And all of the aliens in this movie are just like overhead masks. I mean, this film had a very limited budget. They don't have like detailed prosthetics. If you look at any of the scenes with the aliens, their mouths just kind of like flap a little bit. Like they all just pretty much well sculpted halloween masks without any

mobility and it fucking works it fucking works yeah right you don't look at it and go man i wish he had more scale and more resources and more technology to be able to realize this thing and it's i mean it's not a scary i mean it's not a scary movie of And it's, I mean, it's not a scary, I mean, it's not a scary movie, of course. It's not, there is like- It's upsetting. It's upsetting. There is a moment in the movie, like this to me,

Nick was saying that he knew Duke Nukem first and I was a Duke Nukem fan as well, but I believe I saw this first, but just on like USA Up All Night type of show. Sure. Which is itself a very horny show so like uh but but it was so I I like as a young boy saw like snippets of this I feel like more than I had seen the whole thing and then later watched the whole thing but and I always was like oh the aliens kind

of look goofy or whatever but watch the movie there is like a scene where you're like oh this is kind of like the grocery the scene in the grocery store where you're like oh he's found out and this is kind of this is nerve-wracking that he's found out by all these aliens and he's gonna get cornered or whatever but this there's no there's no i mean like the the thing is inarguably a much scarier move right yeah this this is more whatirical thriller? How do you even classify this movie? Yeah, it's almost like, it's really kind of almost a straight sci-fi movie, but just with very little actual, you know,

detail on the science side of things. But it's, yeah, it's sort of like a, kind of a throwback-y sort of Twilight Zone thing, but then also there's wrestlers wailing on each other, which is great. It could be love. It feels weird to classify it as an action film, but it also features perhaps one of the longest

unbroken fight scenes in any Western film ever. I mean, and it almost, yeah, it's like, what if a twilight zone episode just took a break for 15 minutes and had two guys punching each other it is it could be called a fight movie i mean it is just like it could just be a fight movie a brawler yeah it's it's got some great like you know some great action moments uh some great gunplay it it's it's like a sci-fi action movie but it's also just so like i i always mentally as a kid like categorize this with repo man uh which is a different you know

very different but it's also like it's it's this it's the sci-fi film um that's that's you know also like it's not a comedy but it's like funny and you know it's got some it just felt so distinct and different from like everything else i was watching i guess kind of army of darkness is the same sort of tone i kind of think of even though it's not the exact same sort of thing but like yeah it's it's just a it kind of defies classification in the same way that repo man does at least in my mind which is part of why i like it why do i love it it's also such an angry movie i mean like carpenter's grumpiness is a thing we've talked about a lot across these episodes but this is like the only movie he's made that he has acknowledges like a message movie it's like a

primal scream yeah yes yeah he's just like grabbing you and yelling in your face unlike right and that gives it such an odd vibe as opposed to some of the other movies you mentioned, Nick, that feel a little more like anarchic, you know? Sure. No, this is stridently anti-capitalist, and that was the thing, you know, I've only ever seen this movie before this most recent viewing, the way it was

meant to be seen on Peacock, I'd only ever seen this movie in 4x3 on VHS, and I just, you know, I remember being like, oh yeah, it's vhs and i just i you know i remember being like oh yeah it's like comments on consumerism and you know that sort of thing but then watching it now re-watching it now i'm like oh this is stridently anti-capitalist this is such a this is such the the messaging is so forward in this movie it's baked in from minute one and it's like basically crucial to every scene and every character

it's right it's it's sort of like just it's a watermark on this movie like you know what i mean it's always there and seeing you know like like like honestly the the bulldozing the home the the the encampment uh of unhoused people i found so upsetting to watch as knowing that's a thing that just like you know happens in la and like every major city of just like cops coming in and and throwing everyone's possessions away and like evicting them when they got no place else left to go it's just like that's so fucking vicious and it's it's a gnarly scene yeah that's the thing about they live like you know it's trite to say it but like it is essentially it's like 100 as relevant as it was made as it was when it was made yeah and its message is barely barely needs to be tweaked to

fit contemporary times and yet like when you watch it you're like oh this is so specifically rooted in the reagan era and it's so clearly about the 80s and you know what carpenter's perceiving around him and yet you're like, but you know what? Still basically hits right in the same spot. Down to what you're saying. Down to clearing out unhoused people in Los Angeles. And down to just people being willing, just being like, whatever, man. Let's just sell out.

We'll talk about it. Yes. By the way, my mom delivered me a Chicken Caesar wrap. I told you guys that this would happen, and it has happened. She was very sneaky about it. She did it stealthily. She didn't even enter frame. She didn't enter frame.

I caught her. Nick saw her. She kind of peeked in. Yeah. And she gave me, as a drink, she gave me a Bud Light seltzer, and I was explaining to her that it's alcoholic, but I said thank you. Wow. Wow. Your mom's giving you booze?

She's cool. Sneaking booze into the basement for me, even though it's the opposite. Why? Because I used to have to sneak it down here by myself, and now she's sneaking it down for me. Delivering it to you on a tray. Delivering it to me on a tray. Is that cherry limeade flavor?

That is a cherry limeade Bud Light seltzer, yes. Wow. Just insane. That's a lot of things on one can. It's a lot. Unka Pachka is what I would say. Cherry limeade Bud Light seltzer. Have you guys done that on the show yet?

Is that good, Bud Light seltzer,, you know, compared to the other various alcoholic seltzers? Where does it fall? Yeah, we tasted a few of them. I think the Bud Light was decent, actually. This Cherry Limeade one is good. I like it. It tastes like a cherry. I think most people would classify it as disgusting, but

it's pretty good. Sure. Have you guys messed around with the White Claw Surge? I just got some of those. No, what is that? That sounds a little scary. It is a little scary. And I had some and I had trouble sleeping.

And I was like, does this have caffeine in it? I was wondering. But I don't think it does. It's just got a higher ABV. It's like an 8% ABV instead of 5%. So it's a little more potent. It's like an IPA White Claw. 5%. So it's a little more potent. It's like an IPA white claw. That would ruin me.

God, I would be annihilated. A boozy or seltzer is all it is. It shouldn't exist. Now here's my question to you. Just like the aliens and they live, will listeners be able to pick up on me eating a sandwich? Absolutely.

I guarantee you. I don't't know i used to eat bagels on mike almost every single episode and it drove people insane i know you guys host a food podcast and you often try things on mike and you've had to deal with the the misophonia folks who i feel for i understand i eat my bagels before recording now. But you can't escape them. Sometimes I think I took one bite across two hours. There's no way they'll pick up on it. And they do.

They always do. Yes. It's like a dog whistle thing. I'm always chugging. And I'm drinking a beverage pretty constantly as I'm recording any podcast. and I often worry that a big healthy gulp will be picked up by the mic. As you say this, Mike is chugging his... Is that a second beverage?

Really went for it. It's a Coke Mini. Wow. I got a Coke Mini because they're downstairs. So you have a Bud Light seltzer with a Coke Mini back. I'm not going to drink the Bud Light seltzer. That was what the whole conversation was about. I can't.

Okay. You can drink it. Don't you want to get drunk, Mitch? I mean, I'm sure Nick is drinking one of those White Claw. What is it called? White Claw Storms? White Claw Surge. Surge.

All it is is stronger. It's just a stronger version. Noon Pacific time. It is strong. Yeah, I think it's maybe a stronger version of noon Pacific time. It is strong. Yeah, I think it's maybe I kind of liked it, but it made me feel weird. So I don't know if I'll go back to it. That's my review. Okay.

How many forks? Five. Okay. Wow. Five forks? No, it's more like a four fork. If you put on the sunglasses, what would it say behind White Claw Surge? Swallow.

To be fair, Nick, though, that's what you see written on most things when you put on sunglasses. This movie is just so angry and dark. It's an angry... Yeah. There's not a lot... For a movie that is kind of light as you watch it, in many ways, I just think Roddy Piper is light in his delivery,

and they are kind of two likable guys. It is just kind of dark, and it shows by how quick piper just is on board with killing all these immediately right just firing a shotgun randomly into a bank within minutes the other weird thing about this movie is it is simultaneously so bleak and so silly like a lot of the movies you're throwing out, Nick and Mitch as well, like are interesting analogs.

But I also kind of think there's no movie really like this. There are other movies you can put in the same bucket as films that are equally uncategorizable, you know, is that a fucking word? But this is such a bizarre, like tonal work. And I just remember for like for how angry it is, for how bleak it is, for how pointed it is. You know, you read all the reviews at the time and people criticize the movie for being so aggressively unsubtle. Right. Which like a fucking who cares it doesn't need to be i i think subtlety is so greatly overrated especially in genre film and it's a thing that i feel like

critics uh maybe a little bit less so now but often like to sort of like poopoo uh is like well i understood exactly what this movie was saying they They like to be smarter than a movie. It is my main complaint about much of criticism. You know, you're not smarter than something. Can't you do Unsubtle in a good way? I agree. Don't some people do Unsubtle in a bad way, and then he does Unsubtle in a good way? Like, it feels right while you're watching it.

And there is that huge, the black and white contrast which you were talking about. It works so well. It wasn't paying the ask, but it wasn't paying why does this fucking need to be subtle it's like sometimes you you go broad with something so you don't have to waste time like carefully building you know a nuanced argument in between the lines over hours it's just like get the fucking thing out of the way you know well but it's what but what you're saying griff and i agree with you i think is that like yes this movie is unsubtle but if this movie was deadly serious and very like kind of high on its met you know sort of like don't you get it man you know it might be a little more tiresome and the fact that this movie is sort of fun and goofy

and just like pulpy you know just like a dime store paperback that you can like finish quickly and have fun with that's why the message works it actually is incredibly consumable hollywood entertainment that's making fun of consumption it's that it's the total recall thing it's like yes when you remake total recall to be like kind of the dark gritty version it's not as fun and it doesn't work as well as i know there's fans of the remake but like no you know there aren't what there's not one there's not i am i am not i just don't want i always offend people when i say something sucks the remake sucks i like it. I truly challenge one person. I am the world's biggest Colin Farrell fan,

and I have seen the Total Recall remake. One person to even give me, that movie is okay. Len Wiseman fucking hates that movie. Yeah, Len Wiseman's like, drive me out of Hollywood. I don't deserve another job after that shit. I made this?

They don't even go to Mars. They don't even go to Mars in that movie. They don't deserve another job after that shit. I made this? They don't even go to Mars. They don't even go to Mars in that movie. They don't go to Mars. The three-breasted woman is completely unjustified. Like, without, like, the mutiny element, it's just, like, this is just a callback to the first movie, but there's no reason for this to exist in this

if people aren't being mutated. That's my least favorite thing in the world when, like, a remake or a sequel takes out everything in this if people aren't being mutated that's my least favorite thing in the world when like a remake or a sequel takes out everything that was kind of fundamental to a thing but then puts in the fucking dumb easter egg iconography right like well we had to put the three-breasted woman in and you're like removed from all context what the fuck are you talking it's i mean this was such a big gripe for me but uh what live free or die hard the fourth one oh yeah another len weisman movie another leon weisman movie you're making

me realize maybe he's like the fucking worst at this but um no there's the scene at the end where like he has fucking timothy oliphant cyber villain has John McClane at gunpoint. And he says, like, any final words? And he goes, yeah, yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker. And it's like, the thing you said to a random terrorist 35 years ago, that means nothing to this guy. You said it in the context. Hans Gruber said to you you think you're some sort of cowboy and then you said yippee-ki-yay motherfucker which is a call-and-response joke

like there's like there's a there's a back and forth there 35 Liggers Liggers decide to just polish it off and throw it out at this new terrorist yeah I imagine he's he's retold that anecdote though a few times and people have been like, oh that's cool man like, oh what a badass thing to say and so he's kind of high on his own supply at this point but he's also like, it's none of his fucking cop cronies are there to witness it

and go like, John you brought it back not to make this the Len Wiseman sucks hour or whatever, but like you know he is sort of the epitome of that mid 2000s director where it's like he'll put together a competent action sequence for you. He'll run out and greet the crowd at Comic-Con and be like,

don't worry, we're getting the three-breasted woman in there for you guys. And he has no ideas. He'll make you a very generic sequel that no one will remember or like. That's like he's just like that he just he'll make you a very generic sequel that no one will remember like that's that's what he's there for when you were in the theater when you saw the new the remake didn't you get up and you say

you expect me to jack it to this didn't you yell that out in the theater I'm off to watch the final scene of They Live, thank you very much. So, yeah, actually, I saw Total Recall, the remake in theaters, and our friend John Daly, by pure coincidence,

was also at the screening, and afterwards he saw me, and he's just like, that was a real bad movie, man. Like, yeah. You're indefensible. That movie is indefensible. I feel wise the wiseman version of of they live it would be like a very sexy serious sex scene between the alien and the woman at the end of the movie right don't worry we put the alien tits in there we had but the sunglasses aren't in it

there are no aliens there's no black and white it doesn't have the messaging do they even go to the moon or isn't it just set it's like there's an elevator that white it doesn't have the messaging do they even go to the moon or isn't it just set it's like there's an elevator that goes from one end of the earth to the other or whatever yeah in the reading that's all it is they don't go to space at all is my understanding yeah yeah no space right there's just yeah man it it is insane to watch the wonderful paul verhoeven movie total recall with all that crazy crap on Mars and be like, you know, movie ends, credits are rolling, lights come up in the screening room and they're like, so the Mars stuff, right? We're getting near the end. Don't need any of that shit.

One quick thing on live free or die hard. The thing that does bother me, I totally agree with you on the Yippee-ki-yay motherfucker. It makes no sense why I would say that. But the thing that bothers me is it's a PG-13 movie. Right. So he times a gunshot over the fucker. So it's like Yippee-ki-yay, mother-er. And it's just like, oh, well.

Give me the fuck. Go for the hard R. Give me the motherfucker at least. And then everyone goes like, what did you say? I couldn't hear you over the gunshot and then when he repeats it they're like I still don't understand why would you say that now

I mean sure thanks for killing him appreciate you know I just want to call out in 2010 Eric Newman who produced the thing prequel is I guess maybe not currently but at one point was the showrunner of narcos but also as the son of randy newman he is the son of randy newman he has

produced many movies he produced children of men and uh he produced the snyder sean of the dead i mean sean dawn of the dead jesus Dead, Jesus and the Robocop remake Griff, he did great he's done a lot of these fucking remakes he was supposed to remake They Live Universal announced they were remaking it in 2008

and then he did an interview where he said that I'll read it as it's written here in the dossier he announced plans for the remake to move away from iconic aspects of the original film, most notably the sunglasses which allowed John Nada to see the hidden alien world. That's insane. I mean, it's what

we were just joking about, but I remember talking about our first exposure to this movie. The way I became aware of this movie, my father was a huge WWF guy in the 80s that was one of his main vices he would drag my mother to wrestling

oh yes your mom went to see like Macho Man Randy Savage live like your mother I've met your mother it is very hard to imagine her in a WWE crowd in the 80s looks like a doll made out of porcelain and paper.

Yes, a very small woman. A very fragile woman. I'll tell this anecdote very briefly. But my father in the 80s worked for this guy named Lewis Allen, who was primarily a Broadway producer who had done Annie and other stuff, and then was sort of branching out into movies. And he had this big idea that he wanted to do the world's first no-man, one-man show.

I might have mentioned this on the podcast before. But his idea was he wanted to use the audio-animatronic technology from Disney and do great moments with Mr. Lincoln, but on Broadway. Have a Broadway show that was performed by a robot where you'd never had to pay a performer and the robot would just do however many shows a day and you could just like fill the house, right? You'd make back the costs because you could do 10 performances a day rather than one night or whatever.

And his idea was to do it with Andy Warhol. He thought Andy Warhol was the most interesting guy to build a robot one-man show around and that he would be into the weird pop-kitch aspect of it. So they got pretty far along developing a robot one-man show with Andy Warhol and did tests and made prototype robots

and all of them were just too disturbing. I think the technology wasn't there and they couldn't figure out the execution and how to do one long enough and all this sort of shit. But there is in Andy Warhol's like published diaries, there is an entry about my father who was like the kid in the office for this guy taking Andy Warhol to WrestleMania with my mother. Wow. There was a date where Andy Warhol was the third wheel. Holy shit. To my my parents an 80s

wrestling match unbelievable i did not know i i remember the andy warhol robot but i yes and did they have a good time uh i mean my mom does the impression of him which is just like wow i can't believe these outfits look at that guy that's incredible well to get to they live he was stunned as yeah as we've mentioned john carpenter met alice cooper at wrestlemania 3 which is why alice cooper is in prince of darkness he also met rowdy roddy piper at wrestlemania 3 wrestlemania which which was in detroit uh the poster it seems like hulk hogan and andre the giant were the main event for that one but that's that's that's that's that's this is a huge wrestlemania that is the origin story for they live is just john carpenter going to wrestle. That's wild. And also, I got to say, a possibility if Roddy Piper's career got bigger, that he'd maybe be one of the best actors.

I mean, I know that there's some moments where dialogue is a little stilted in this, and I know that he doesn't have the charm of... The Rock is The Rock, and he's gigantic, but undeniably he has charm, and people like him. Absolutely. He's very charismatic. So my question is,

could he have been the best actor of all the WWE superstars? He's up there. I think he's good. Griff, you've got your take on the best actor-wrestler, right? I assume it's still the same take. I think it's Batista, but I

think... Batista's good. I think Roddy perhaps had the same potential that Batista did. I think he was perhaps not given... And then he just after this gets shunted to straight-to-video stuff or whatever. Right. I think, was perhaps not given after this gets shunted to straight to video stuff or whatever right I think because I mean this

and Hell Comes to Frogtown are the same year and then he never really gets a good movie again after this and I think like you know there are as you said Mitch some moments of greenness

in this but he totally works. And the things that he supplies that like a more traditional actor could not greatly outweigh his lack of experience in very brief moments. But I do think there is a sense of depth to him that was totally untapped for the rest of his career in a way that's kind of depressing. Yes. Well, he does a lot without saying a lot is kind of the fun thing watching him. And I mean, maybe intentional on Carpenter's part, and maybe some of the stuff was a little too green. But I feel like it's funny because like even the way he delivers that bubble gum line is maybe like kind of like one of the more stilted things i think when he's

when him and keith david are just talking i'm like he's good he's natural he feels like a regular he feels like an average guy i like i i i he feels he feels like a regular person which is which is you know with a lot of wrestlers i feel like it's a hard thing to pull off. I think he's awesome in this. And yeah, he's a little green, but he's perfectly, you know, at that nexus of a guy who seems like he's maybe, you know, down on his luck, but it is also an invincible badass.

Like he's able to live in both of those. And you mentioned, Mitch, that he has some sequences. Without much dialogue. I think his performance. When he first gets the sunglasses. And is like tentative about putting them on. And then putting them back on and off repeatedly.

At the newsstand. I think it's so good. And I think he carries that sequence so well. I mean that's. You know. I think. Carpenter's really clever clever in the way he cast this movie. But you have this film that's like sort of a two hander and you cast a classically trained Juilliard guy and a professional wrestler. Right.

But there is weird overlap in the sort of like methodical training that both of these guys have done. There's a level of precision, you know. Roddy is someone who knows how to communicate so much through physicality. I agree with Mitch. I love this performance. I'm not actually criticizing any of this. Right. We're just sort of being objective here.

But like I feel like the moments where he's a little more stilted are like you said, the ones where he's sort of playing more of the classic like action hero beats. Right. Yeah. Or he's throwing out one liners or whatever. And it feels like maybe he's butting up against his tendency to go really big with those moments as he does when he's playing to an arena. But any of the smaller intimate moments, anytime he's connecting with another person, anytime he's just having a moment of reflection or reaction to something he's just like so spot on yeah agreed he's he's he's he seems like a great guy and from all accounts i heard that he was wise did you ever work with him he worked in like the comedy scene a little bit he did stand up for

a long time and he was i remember he was on It's Always Sunny and like he did stuff, right? Yeah. No, he's dabbled in the comedy world. Yeah, he was in a Funny or Die video when I worked at Funny or Die

although I was not involved but by all accounts, a lovely man. I, can I also just say like he's, he looks great. He looks humble.

Like he takes his shirt off, he looks fucking great. His ass looks great in those jeans. He's just like, he looks so fucking badass in this movie. Like watching looking at him and keith david i just in my head i was like those are men yeah i'm looking at men and they're young they're younger than us they're like 34 in that movie or something but you know it's the thing that's lost now right

like you know where it's like yeah those are really built you know guys but they don't look like aliens yeah they look like dudes who like do yard work you know and they'll like fix your gutters if you need that you know what i mean like they just sort of look like dudes like regular guys with big biceps yeah which makes which makes me believe the fight like i believe that that fight happened 100 um we should read these these quotes about the casting process because JJ, a researcher, pulled up a treasure trove of shit here. But this is Carpenter talking about why he cast Roddy. This is the quote. I love this quote.

He said, unlike most Hollywood actors, Roddy has life written all over him. He's been hit so many times that he is really broken up. He even walks funny because his pelvis was shattered and his back was wrenched he's definitely not a pretty boy but he's the toughest guy i've ever met you could run a truck into roddy and he would still be standing like that speaks to the whole fucking thing and also so much of his hotness in this movie that you're just like this fucking guy yeah do you did you guys watch him in the 80s like i remember him a little bit, sort of the tail end of the 90s when he was kind of still lingering, but I don't know his 80s run in the WWF than WWF that well at all. a kid uh i i will say that it is kind of amazing that carpenter had the clout to of if he was going to cast a wrestler to say like i'm going to cast roddy piper who was great an awesome performer

but he does not have the star power of a hulk hogan or andre the giant you know like he was he was not at that same threshold of of uh of superstardomom that transcended the wrestling world. But yeah, he wore a kilt, right? He had a kilt. He had a bagpipe. That's what I was going to say. Did he wear a bagpipe? Right. He did a lot of stuff with bagpipes. He's actually Canadian. Yeah, but he was like,

yeah, he did a, that was this whole thing, Rowdy Roddy Piper because he was a bagpiper. He's from Saskatoonatoon your guy your favorite town right didn't you show in saskatoon am i making that up we did a live show in saskatoon in the dead of winter and every all of our canadian listeners said what the fuck are you doing why would you come to saskatoon of all places in january the people who live in Saskatoon were angry at you. Yeah.

It was like flying into the, the, the base from the thing basically. Yes. There's nothing here. There's one base. And the plane is descending. What?

What's happening? The ticket taker is some frozen body with two heads being pulled apart. You gotta be, I. You got to be. I think you have to be tough from. Maybe that speaks to the thing of like he isn't a pretty boy. So then you take off. He takes off his shirt and he's just a fucking he's jacked. He's a machine.

Well, Ben, you just have to hear this. He was expelled from junior high for having a switchblade in school. Wow. And then like went on the run and lived in like youth hostels and picked up odd jobs at gyms and like that's how he got into wrestling yeah yeah i'm reading here he said he was been on the street since he was 13 and a professional fighter since 15 so that means that a lot of that monologue that he has in the movie about being with his dad, there's a really dark monologue about his dad holding a razor blade to his throat. And then his character goes on the road since a young age.

I think he says 15 or something. But in reality, it sounds like he was on his own maybe even earlier or something. But that must have been taken from his real life. That makes a lot of sense. That must have been taken from his real life. That makes a lot of sense. Carpenter said he had Roddy write the entire backstory for this character. That he did not create a backstory and said, I want you to come up with it, and I don't want you to tell me any of it. And then at certain points, he extracted certain pieces to put into the script.

It works so well, and it fits his Drifter character great. It works so well, and it fits his drifter character great. You understand why, even though it is, like I said, a huge jump, when he's just like, holy shit, aliens, and he starts blasting them. But when you hear his backstory, you're like, oh, it makes sense that this guy's been fucked over so many times that he's willing to kind of take that fight. Also, I want to point out that a big way that people learn about this movie, and I know it's kind of a problematic thing because it's South Park and it's always problematic, but it's when Timmy and Jimmy fight each other. I forgot, of course.

Yeah. It's like shot by shot, right? It's shot by shot. Yeah. I think it might even be the same. Is it the same length? Is it like eight minutes or whatever it is in the movie? Right, whatever.

Yeah. Man, I forgot. You know what? South Park is not my show, but I've certainly seen like 100 episodes of it just because I was a teenager when I was a teenager. But Timmy's the one where you're like... I've seen so much South Park. We were all watching South Park. But it was never really my show. But I always forget about Timmy and Jimmy.

Are they still on the show? They still do a Timmy and Jimmy? They're still on the show. Jimmy's very funny. He's a stand-up. I was going to say, the Jimmy stand-up thing always works for me. I've got to watch that. I've got to watch that sometime.

Anyway, sorry. It's undeniably problematic that it's it's called cripple fight is the episode and it's so i mean like in the way that south park is is problematic i'm just saying there's no way around it but i'm saying that is where a lot of people learned about this movie or you watch that as a teenager and it's so specific you go this has to be some joke that i'm not getting right like there's something to the way that this sequence is designed that has to be uh referencing something bigger i texted my father because i i want to confirm my memory that roddy was his number one guy of the 80s because david i know you were asking sort of like what his thing was and my

dad said a hundred percent i said can you put into one sentence what you liked about the guy and he said he could turn an artistically insulting phrase before his opponent knew what hit him wow wow that part of it was i like the the poetry of this guy right so even if like hogan or onto the giant or it was more physically imposing roddy was just great in the you know with his dialogue with his character all that stuff

and that there was a soul to him like I mean he's a blue collar guy he just has that resonating off him yeah definitely the way I remember

hearing about this movie for the first time is my father making some reference to it and I said what are you talking about and he went you know

there's a movie he might have said the line he might have said I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum I'm all out of bubble gum I said what's that he talking about? And he went, you know, there's a movie. He might have said the line. He might have said, I'm here to kick ass and shoot bubblegum. I'm all out of bubblegum. I said, what's that? He said, that's from They Live. I said, what is that?

And he said, it's a movie in which 80s wrestler Rowdy Rowdy, Rowdy Rowdy Piper wears sunglasses that show him who on earth are aliens. And you just go like, how is that a thing? What are you talking about right but but that just like burned into my brain of like that's a movie and he was like yeah john carpenter made it and i was like a serious person made that it's like the the the bart versus the space mutants video game did anyone ever play oh yeah the space mutants where you put on the sunglasses you see the aliens back yeah you're right. That's the same premise.

That game is dog shit. But yeah, it's the same thing. It came after they lived, so it's fully ripping off they lived. I just had to check. For sure. Yeah. Can I tell you my deep thought about the fight? Please.

Yes. I mean, it's not that deep, and I'm sure many people have made this point before. Well, you just told us it's a deep thought, so we're expecting a pretty serious level of depth here,

Mitch. I mean, it's deep for me. How does that change it at all? Yeah, okay. Adjusted accordingly. It was long.

Yuck. Is that what you want from me? Sure went on. In a movie that's about class and the haves and the have-nots, it's, I think, a very intentional thing that a white man and a black man are fighting, especially for so long. I think there might be something to the reason that the fight is as long as it is between two different races while

they're fighting instead of fighting the real enemy which is the these kind of this these elite these elite like this elite class and i think that that i and in my mind i'm like of course that's intentional on it's got to be and then maybe he'd hear this and be like no it's just i liked the action of the fight or whatever but in my head that's that's that's what it's all about is is and they're fighting over garbage like they're fighting over garbage in an alleyway yes yeah so much garbage yeah it it's uh i i mean i i really like after the fight uh because yeah he definitely like it definitely feels like they're trying to show that this this you know this this panracial group of oppressed people. In the encampment, it's like everyone's kind of represented in the same sort of miserable state.

But what I like about that fight scene is the aftermath. The fight scene's awesome but the aftermath just like where the both of the two of them are just sort of playing like the regret of having like fuck we shouldn't have spent 10 minutes beating the living shit out of each other as they're like making their way to their hotel room yeah it's just so great and it just and also like you just like they really just feel so beaten down like it felt like like you watch them go through it and the aftermath it feels like they uh they look like shit they look like them go through it, and in the aftermath, it feels like they embody that. They look like shit.

They look like shit. When they were in the hotel, they looked like shit. And by the way, Roddy is credited as Nada, which is Spanish for nothing. So obviously, there's a lot of the class stuff going on there. But Wax, did you think my point was pretty deep? Did you like it? I thought it was pretty. I thought your initial point that it was long was maybe a little better, but I mean, we can double background to other stuff, but I feel like while we're

here, let's just spend a solid unbroken five and a half minutes talking about the fight. What David? No, I completely agree with you. I was about to say i mean my favorite thing that jj found is the the screenplay had a blank page that just said the fight and then the next page said the fight continues one page that's all it said and then the next page said the fight continues like that it's such a funny idea that's great and his thing was that like well i used to love in westerns where like two guys would just punch each other for three minutes i've always

wanted to do one of those in a movie the quiet man is his big inspiration apparently i have not seen the quiet man i have not apparently there's a a knockdown drag out fight in that one i guess right i think it was like he was ticking a bunch of boxes at the same time i agree with you mitch that i think ultimately he backed up into that deeper meaning behind the fight but i think he was like a i've always wanted to do one of these in a movie just have a good fucking fist fight go on for too long b big dudes two just big old dudes i passed the right people i have a fucking professional wrestler and i have uh fucking keith david who's done like movement and dance training at juilliard they're both going to be able to get this

choreography down and it's also like uh this is part of what was supposed to be a four picture deal where he could get whatever movie he wanted green lit off of a one sentence synopsis but the budgets were like capped at three million dollars i think this one went a little bit over but it's essentially the same thing as prince of darkness he he pitched something very simple to alive films and they approved it and he got three million dollars to make it right and his pitch was probably the same thing my dad said to me of like guy puts on sunglasses realizes realizes there are aliens among us, you know, and like as to why he cast a WWE guy. It's like I think that's the level of like movie star he could play with at this point in time. You know, it's like the biggest name he could get is someone who I think creatively he wanted him for other reasons. But I also think he's in a budget cap at this point where the biggest name he could get is someone who is famous but not respected as an actor, you know, and try to make him into a movie star.

But it should have happened. That's the thing that annoys me. It absolutely should have happened. I think that was just I mean, you look at many more chances uh hogan got around this same time period and it never really stuck and he had all of the machinery behind him and obviously i think he was just less innately built for movies than roddy was perhaps but i do think there was uh i don't know if the american public was ever going to accept a former wrestler as a legitimate movie star at this point in time. When The Rock did it, it was seen as like, holy fucking shit, he bridged the gap.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it was a sillier time for wrestling. Not to say that's bad or whatever, but it was like a more Day glow kind of look the wwf sure yeah no i i get that i mean yeah like we said he was playing bagpipes and stuff but i i i do i do think that the fight as long as it is it's like there's nothing that's that crazy i mean like there's one move where they go yeah there's one one move where they go up against a wall and it's cool and they fall backwards but besides like punching someone and like not stopping which is always

crazy in a fight is that is it doesn't look that crazy and there's also a great moment where roddy tries to hit keith david in the groin and he goes dirty motherfucker and it's such a great it's such a great moment because they're just fighting fair before that. And then he breaks this rule. And Keith David gets all mad at him. And it feels real. It feels like a very real moment, too. It's great.

Well, you look at the setup of the fight, which is there. Roddy has just fallen out of a garbage truck, right? He has literally just fallen out of the backside of a garbage truck. Then this dude who he was friends with for like a day comes and finds him in this alley, throws a wad of money at him, believing him at this point to be a mass murderer, right? Someone who just had a psychotic break, essentially, and started wantonly killing strangers. But he still has enough sort of like we're in the shit together respect for the guy. You know, the feel, the need to look out for the common man who is being ignored by everyone else. That he meets him in this fucking alley to throw money at him and walk away. And Roddy, covered in trash, right? Holding cheap plastic sunglasses is like, you gotta put these things on and keith david immediately goes to 100 and is like fuck you i'm

not putting those on my face and he's like here put me put them on and then it's immediately punched right like it's like so quickly a full-on fist fight is broken out over. I don't want to put these on. I don't want to wear these sunglasses. I refuse. I understand that there's the larger implication of him being like, I don't want to get involved in your shit. I'm not part of this. I'm not a co-conspirator. I got to stay clean.

But it is funny that there's just five minutes of him going, I don't want to wear these sunglasses and then punching again. Well, and to add to that, too, it's like earlier in the movie, a woman pushed him out a window. Yes. Yeah. Right. Like and he fell three stories. That's how much characters don't want to wear the fucking sunglasses. People really don't really don't want to wear the fucking sunglasses. People really don't want to wear the sunglasses.

Really don't want to try those on. That fall out the window is like a thing that I don't, like when I watched it, I was like, oh, yeah. But she smashes him on the head with a glass and then pushes him out the fucking window. And it's such a, that's such a crazy moment. He's just getting his ass kicked over and over again at this point. And he like where doesn't he like sleeps like in a gutter that night too he does he's just he's just getting and maybe that's why keith david feels so bad for him he knows that he's just fucking getting his ass handed to him

over and over again yeah it makes sense that it's just like like hey i'm trying to help you but i can't be in your life and you're being a fucking weirdo and making trying to put these trash covered sunglasses on my face like get away from me like that sets him off that the Keith David line I love in this is when they're circling each other he's just like not this year yeah oh that's so fucking good it's so good I just think beyond the fact that they're like two relatively normal looking guys that like Roddy is as jacked as any normal person could be without you wondering how many hours a day do you spend in the gym right yeah like he's right at that breaking point um it is the rare fight scene that moves at like the speed of a real fight with like little with breathers yeah yeah definitely a guy punches a guy he like takes

the punch he recovers then he throws a punch and responds they're not like sort of like you know martial arting each other um no and then the there's a break there's even like a there's like a moment where they have these breathers because as the fight goes on they're both exhausted and in pain like i think the fights never do which is oh the damage accumulates like usually fights ramp up and people become more and more super powered the longer the fight goes on and it's like by the end of it it's so sloppy and it's taking all their energy to like sort of like you know side swipe the other guy it's great and to wags point they are just like both men wags like how you were saying like wow that's like a man so the reason that like when they fight like that it makes sense to me because i'm like all right yeah

maybe these two men like have this is like they've annoyed each other and they have to fight like in my mind it works because they're both such alphas that i'm like yeah this is probably what would happen they're tough fucking guys who live on the edge like they're they're doing what it takes to survive the the break moment where they sort of like regroup and they're catching their breaths and they're helping each other up and then roddy's like but seriously put on these sunglasses yeah yeah there's there's a point where keith david's about to stop the sunglasses and seriously put on these sunglasses. Yeah. And then they just go back into the fight. Yeah.

There's, there's a point where Keith David's about to stop the sunglasses and it's genuinely like, Oh shit, don't break the glass. Your heart's in your mouth. Your heart stops. When he does that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I pulled up the, I pulled up the dialogue. Cause the, the, the not this year is actually in response to NADA says, I'm giving you a choice.

Either put on these glasses or start eating that trash can, which was referenced earlier. And then, and then Keith David replies, not this year. year right other years he has eaten a trash can but this he will not uh the other thing the other uh quote here this is from um uh roddy talking about why he got cast in the movie and it speaks to some of uh what we're saying here um he said well well john carpenter watched me wrestle in the movie, and it speaks to some of what we're saying here. He said, well, John Carpenter watched me wrestle at the Silverdome, and supposedly Hollywood doesn't have any real men. But then in that same interview, he said, I'm not really acting in this film, and I

think that's the key to why it seems to be working. When I met John at WrestleMania III, he was looking for a real live person who had experienced life rather than some pretty boy who had gone to acting school for two years to learn how to imitate crispy bacon. I think speaking to the common acting exercise where they make students lie on the floor and pretend that they're bacon sizzling on a pan. This is like a very widespread acting conservatory thing. But Brody said, let's face it. I've been on the street since i was 13 have been a professional fighter since 15 have been electrocuted once

and stabbed three times john could see that i had experience with the character of john not a required so we incorporated those things into the film and since the character was essentially me who better to play him wow like there's just the fucking tenacity you feel that you can't really fake i just uh i just put myself on tape as for bacon the other day and uh i'm hoping i get it you hope you're hoping you get bacon i'm hoping i get bacon compensation um just this is the other quote i love from piper where he was asked like what is your assessment of your acting skills he said i'd say i'm somewhere between george c scott and rin tin tin one thing i can tell you is i'll never do othello the guy just has one-liners for days yeah you know it's

he's so damn charming right but then like like Keith David, he obviously worked with him on The Thing, which is his first movie. That is Keith David's debut in cinema. That's insane. This is the thing. This,

as much as we are pumping up Roddy and we should, this doesn't work without Keith. And what a genius by Carpenter. Apparently,

it was just Keith David came to the Prince of Darkness premiere. Is that what it is, Griff? Keith came to the Prince of Darkness premiere and he looked so good he looked great Carpenter's like wait a second he's right here

this guy looks fucking awesome that rules I decided he was Frank luckily he wanted to do the parts off we went that's like the full explanation this guy just showed up and he was looking like a fucking snack man damn I mean he does look great and he looks like he could hold his own against uh roddy which is which is right that is the other thing he said he said he's a fabulous

actor there's a quality about him which is warm and wonderful he's a big guy and i needed a big guy to fight roddy i need someone who wouldn't be a traditional sidekick but could hold his own uh right yeah which makes their god they're so good together I mean Mitch the the point you made about sort of like the the racial makeup of this duo is important because I do think this movie is sort of about like among other things right everyone's resistance to wear the sunglasses is it's so much easier to not have to look at the reality of these things right like it is so much easier to even if you have not gone along with the aliens to not put up a fight against it um and to not have to acknowledge the reality of what's going on right under your nose but the other thing is i think as you said mitch the like

fighting the wrong people you know sure the people at the bottom fighting each other. There's the scene at the beginning, which is when they like bond for the first time. And Keith David opens up about like he's got a wife and kids to Detroit. He hasn't seen them in six months. Like the guys gave the fucking steel mill a break and then the steel mill took raises and fired everyone and shut everything down he like opens up in this big way and then he has his whole thing where he says like the whole deal is like some kind of crazy game they put you at the starting line and the name of the game is to make it through life only everyone's out for themselves and looking to do you in at the same time okay man here we are you do what

you can but remember i'm gonna do my best to blow your ass away. So how are you going to make it? And that's like this guy just fucking sees through the bullshit of life as much as he doesn't want to wear the sunglasses. He understands how fucked the entire system is. And then in comparison, pre-sunglasses, not his response at that point. His direct response to that line is, I deliver a hard day's work for my money. I just want the chance. It'll come.

I believe in America. I follow the rules. Everyone's got their own hard times these days. Like at the beginning, he's just absolutely like does not feel burned by reality. He's like, look, I'm going through a bad run. I don't deserve this. But if I do everything right it will all balance out and Keith David gives him

a look that speaks volumes of just like well you're fucking white right yeah without having to yeah in a movie that's very blunt doesn't have to spell it out right whether or not you're ever gonna get the chance that you think you will

the mere fact that you think you will the mere fact that you believe you are entitled to that and it is inevitable is a luxury that i don't have right and then he finds sunglasses and he realizes that keith david was right well it also makes the end of the movie so tragic which by the way the the female lead whose name escapes me but griffin or sims i'm sure you can make foster Foster evil Lynn in the masters of the universe movie. Meg Foster. Who's who's great. She,

she, uh, it's funny that not, uh, is so quick to help her out when like really their whole relationship is her throwing her out that window. Like we've already established like, like why,

why, why do you there's like not a real big romantic you know like there's a little it's like kind of tease that there's maybe feelings or something but you know he like he's he's really looking out for this woman who who threw him out a window she threw him out the window i mean like i know that he also used her and had held her at gunpoint and everything like that. Yeah, he kidnapped her. He kidnapped her. Yeah, he kidnapped her.

He kidnapped her. And I think that's probably part of it. But I think it's also like she shows up at the resistance meeting. And she's like, you know, and his whole thing, he's trying to get people to look through the sunglasses. She's looked through the sunglasses. And she's like, I didn't know you know so i did to me i kind of bought that he's like okay now we've got another ally we need ever we need all the help we can get and yeah also i kind of owe this woman something but i wonder if she was a mole from the start yeah i actually kind of wonder if she

already knew before the sunglasses i think it's entirely possible yeah you can't tell i mean like that that meeting gets sabotaged so like uh they come in and so you're wondering if someone did it and yeah she does she is bad in the end it turns out so and and she's the kind of person who would be a human collaborator which is you know what this whole system relies on, is that they need these high-status actual humans to help the aliens take over the system. But the Resistance needs her as well because she's access to a broader means of communication, getting their message out.

I mean, it's a very advantageous relationship for them to have. I mean, there's the earlier scene where Nada sees the weirdness happening at the church at 4 o'clock in the morning and asks the guy about it. And he sort of brushes it off as like, oh, a choir, you know, a late night choir. We can't tell them when to leave or whatever. And then when they finally show up with the sunglasses in the basement, everyone's like, ah, we were hoping you guys would come around, you know? Like, there was no attempt to recruit them, and I think there's such an uneasiness with everyone in this universe, but, like, they're hoping that they would organically find their way there, which I guess is also what happens with the Meg Foster character. You also have to factor

in, like, up until that point of the movie, we are not really seeing women on screen. This is such a dude heavy movie. There are obviously some women at the encampment, but like not of prominence. Right. And most of this movie is these two dudes. shows up in you know a garage like a parking lot with a gun you're sort of for the first time acknowledging the like everyday threat of violence against women in our society right through this character like we've seen these guys on the skids but here's like a well-dressed woman of means in a position in the media who still has to deal with at any point in time, the threat of, is a guy going to come out with a gun and assault me in one way or another?

Where I think. Because he does, he does like shoot women before, but you see them as aliens and you don't see them as, yeah, yeah. You know that, but she doesn't know that.

I do think, you know, her opposition to him makes a lot of sense considering the fact that he does truly kidnap her. Sure. Yes. And that, right, there's sort of that lack of sunglasses to be able to tell anyone's motivations at that moment. What's the line she has when she's being held hostage in her apartment? It's like, in her home, it's like, he says, I'm sorry.

And she's like, you're not sorry you have two guns? I wish I'd written it down. Something like yeah yeah let me find that it's good uh yes no you have two guns you're not sorry you're in charge yes that's right yeah yeah she also makes a phone call there too i believe the alien so i think she was maybe even working with the aliens at this point but griff you just talking about that makes like about that makes me think of another thing in that if this movie came out around the same time The Matrix did or something, this would be like a big no-no Columbine type movie where you see a guy go into a bank and just blow people away with a shotgun. I mean, like violence, I'm sure, even then. And then also in just seeing him go down a hallway, like a workspace, blowing people away later, too. I'm like, oh, this is crazy to look at this through a 2021 lens. I mean, Carpenter's gone out of his way to disown this as aggressively as he possibly can.

But this movie, much like The Matrix, getting co-opted by the worst people who deliberately misread its intent, this movie has been reclaimed by a lot of anti-Semites who believe it's about Jews controlling the media and the need to violently resist. Oh, man. Which sucks. Yeah. Mitch, when you were going to talk about your deeper point earlier, I was worried you were going to go there, so. Well, there's so many alien invasion movies are about us uniting as a people to resist invasion, right?

And they're patriotic and they have a stirring quality and they're sort of like hey we you know at least we're all humans and we can find like commonality in that and like this is the carpenter quote i love where he's basically you know the whole movie obviously is just about like our country is brain dead you know in the reagan age basically starting with dixon but like by this point all our brains are cooked but his whole thing is like the threat and they live is not that the aliens want to eat our bones they want to own all our businesses yeah and a universal executive said to him what's the threat in that we all settle out every day and jargon was like i'm putting that line in the movie like that's wow that's that's the exact point i'm trying to make is that success you know everyone just has defined success by wealth at this point and so it's very

easy for the aliens to take us over because they just give us money basically that same interview he says the real threat is that we lose our humanity we don't care anymore about the homeless we don't care about anything as long as we make money money is our god like that's laying it out pretty much as cleanly as possible it's not like critics absolutely dismiss this movie at the time i know there are critics who stood up for it at the time except you know but like it is so infuriating now i want to like look up what like you know was like winning oscars in 1988. Well, yeah, please do. But I found a Janet Maslin quote where she was like, once again, John Carpenter digging in his backyard

with a plastic shovel and gets about as deep as he always does. Like there was this attitude of like- Fuck off. Yeah. That's why. Yeah, Working Girl, which is a movie I enjoy watching.

A charming movie. And actually, you know, and has a bit of a, bit of a double-edged message where it's like, yeah, it's a Cinderella story where she makes it to the top and then she's just another office worker or whatever. But Working Girl is basically like, look, what you want to do is get into the big city

and get that money. That's one of the big Oscar movies of this year. I feel like I'm dissing Working Girl now. This is the same year that Rain Man wins, right? And it's the highest grossing film this year. I feel like I'm dissing Working Girl now. This is the same year that Rain Man wins, right? And it's the highest grossing film this year. It's the Rain Man year, yes. And I know, like, that movie subverts

Cruise's persona a little bit, but, like, Cruise is the dominant movie star of this moment and he is the opposite of this. He wears the sunglasses, but only for aesthetic reasons. And he's just like American exceptionalism in a dude who is all positivity, all success, money, you know, like status. Right.

He just wins. He believes in reptiles existing around us or ghosts or some kind of crazy shit. Right. Show some respect. They're aliens that died in a volcano and their spirits haunt us right okay okay sure got it also learned through south park for me that one yeah yeah the details of it um for me i i mitch mitch mitch compared this to the matrix or mitch mitch brought up the matrix rather which i was a comparison that i didn't really like i didn't really make the

connection until this rewatched it is like it is kind of a similar thing of a it's not subtle it's it's you know it's it's a message that will penetrate a teenage brain and but but B it's like you you you read this comparison on red pill dot net correct

why no he saw it on our slash in cells or whatever yes yeah ball cells yeah uh i like i like black pill which is for people who tried red pill and it that it didn't work so they went even further became just full nihilist um so the so uh but but also that it that it's like, it's a commentary that is kind of a fantasy that our system is so cruel, that American capitalism is so like vicious and just wears people down into nubs that we have to like, it's like a fantasy that this is not people doing this to each other, that there is some outside force that is causing this to exist. You know, so it's a similar sort of thing. And it is like it's one of those things where the reality is far more depressing, that these are just people who are just accumulating wealth and smothering the rest of us just because they can. Right.

And these sort of like commonly agreed upon lies that we're all living our lives by, including disproportionately the people who do not benefit from those lies being upheld. The message of The Matrix, which I love, and which is sort of under-discussed in a way. Wait a second. You love The Matrix? I do, I fucking love The Matrix. Sims also gave me a course on the matrix the other day

when i was watching i was watching i was like half watching too and i was like how what's the deal here and then you waited oh my god mitch rubbed aladdin's lamp and the genie came out fucking posting walls of text you didn't know what you were getting into but you were like i'm watching matrix too this is kind of good am i crazy for thinking that and david was like mitch do you want me to explain the entire movie to you because i can and i'm willing and i'm able but my main thought on matrix 2 is that it's so horny that was it was it was horny from one to two the horny the horny the horniness factor goes way up. But I always love that highway scene, the highway scene rules. Sorry, Sims, go ahead.

Highway scene rules. Bunch of keys, too, remember, Mitch? A lot of keys. Bunch of keys. That's Ben's favorite part. Yeah, at one point, Mitch mentioned the key maker. And I was like, well, the key maker is basically like a root kit. And Weiger was like, he said that as if that explains anything.

And I was in it too deep but but the point of the matrix you were offering to clarify the matrix you think about he's a root kid but you know the matrix does not end you know or the the point of the matrix is not like neo is going to be able to free everyone from the Matrix. Right. Because the point of The Matrix is, by and large, humanity is happy to accept the delusion. Like, they are presented sort of unconsciously with a choice, and 99% of them are like, yeah, that's fine. And Cypher, the character Cypher, is basically like, look, I've seen the real world, and plug me in. I want to go back. I don't like it.

Like, I prefer what you guys have found for me. And the, the sequels, you know, are about that too. Like, you know, there's never going to be the tramp thing in the matrix of everyone will

rise up and overthrow the machines. It's same with, they live like most people are just happy to live in this world. Like they, they, it's not bothering them. Like that's, that's just not going to be an issue. I was going to say funny to think of like joe joey pants as an actor like maybe that is him

plugged back into the matrix all his roles that he's got you know what i mean like yeah right no and they're like yeah we'll get you two seasons on the sopranos but you'll win an Emmy. And he's like, sounds good. One more thing. Can I play a pelican in Racing Stripes? Agent Smith, like, touches his ear, and he's like, yes, yes, we can do that. I know this is, like, probably a hacky thing to say, but it is a thought that has been dominating my mind for, for many, many months now. You got the hack Kings here on with you. Okay.

The Kings of the hacks. But Jean Smart, of course, queen of the hacks. I have, I've been thinking increasingly about like matrix and this movie in particular, right?

The films that are about like, you get awake into the reality of how fucked everything is the the sort of like uh the common delusion that we're all under and the sort of like grotesque machinery that we're actually being fed into uh and it feels like the last uh two years of uh life we're sort of like a sunglasses on unplug moment for a lot of things that we all kind of like knew or were trying to deny or sort of like were aware of but could not really comprehend the full depth of especially just because a lot of stuff got actually put to the test like a lot of things stopped being very theoretical and and the

practical threat of things became so much more uh real on a day-to-day basis uh i find it very hard to like take the sunglasses off now like i i watch that fucking steak scene in matrix and i'm like it's a really good pitch you know yeah like i would love to be able to just fucking eat steak again because i just feel like i walk around the streets now and i'm just like why isn't everyone screaming all the time like i just constantly feel like i'm going crazy grip this is exactly the drifter in the movie who kind of has like a suit on at the end and he's like hey fellas i'd like join the aliens that's how i feel because i do this podcast with weiger weiger's kind of plays that alien role and i'm like that drifter that's

cashing in on the on the robotic side but it's it's it's it's worth it it's that and also that that character is that character is great by the way that that he's great guy he's so he's so fun and i love that he's like a little like like he has like a little like bugs bunny escape where he's like later boys and he just disappears and he doesn't get there's no comeuppance for him at all he just he apparently just lives yeah we haven't touched on the teleporters which just get introduced it's like yeah midway through you could just zap out you just go yeah but griff give me that steak i'm with you give me i mean this yes this was carpenter did an interview in esquire last october right

so at the fucking peak of the pandemic arguably and uh they asked him uh uh about his his fears of unchecked capitalism if if he is anti-capitalist because of this movie and he said oh god no are you kidding i'm a happy capitalist happy someone writes me a check i'm happy but this right-wing conspiracy stuff i'm not sure where it started i have no idea what the origin of that was i know a lot of that stuff started percolating after 9-11 i read the rest that quote just because i like how much of an abrupt shift that is. But I do think that speaks to the central concern of this movie that is the bleakest thing about this film

is that ultimately the message is either way you're kind of fucked. Right. Like either you can be turned on and you can be in the right and you can be fighting for freedom and helping people and and you know uh standing against those who seek to oppress but you're probably living in a fucking like tent city

and in the margins of society or you like you fucking buy in and you you give into the happy life and all the creature comforts they provide for you but you got to sort of turn a blind eye to everything that's actually going on behind the curtain you know it's the whole thing about selling out like when we were kids i feel like selling out was still this sort of like horrifying notion right if you were like a cool musician or whatever like you're not going to do a fucking ad for the gap like that's selling out you know you're never gonna do and then like that's just shifted and is not a notion of you know anymore like that a celebrity would be uncool for selling out because i guess it's partly just this kind of like look man fucking while you're alive get money and just like live people love it if you can right right get that bag there's this whole like when people

are able to brag about getting a new record payday that people are celebrating them right people cheer loki selling us cars people don't give a shit anymore it's bad it is people like the marvel crossovers with fucking hyundai or whatever the fuck whatever whatever good I was going through uh Instagram and uh just just doing the endless like soul suck of just going from story to story to story where you stop seeing the people you follow and start just getting suggested things and I got one that was like uh Brie Larson in a leather jacket standing in some like generic like you know detroit uh parking lot uh saying that she it was an ad to swipe up so you could watch the stream of the behind the scenes of the new nissan ad she's working for so it was like an ad for the making of an ad to come cool

this is this is why what what account is this uh at brie larson but it was also presenting the this is like brie larson who won a fucking oscar you know and is all about like sort of like empowerment is viewed as as sort of the antichrist by all these fucking whiny nerd fanboys because they think she's the most violent feminist in the world. And then she's just on her own Instagram going like, hey, I'm really excited about this new thing we're doing with Nissan. But it's like in the guise of this is just my casual opinion. This isn't the ad. This is me just telling you, my friends, a thing about the making of I want you to watch for the ad i hope you eventually like yeah griff

griff i think i told you this but i think that any i think any a-list actor who does a commercial like does commercials for the money yes should then be brought down to the level of commercial actor i don't think that they should be allowed to i think they have to then be brought down to like the same area where people who are putting themselves on tape for commercial jobs like i don't think you can get away with both of them it did it and annoys the shit out of me hard agree people used to have to go to fucking japan and be embarrassed yes right that's the premise of lost in translation yes it's it's absurd i agree and it's like you're fucking taking jobs away from mike carlson yeah carlson a payday carlson deserves a payday how dare you a loss of translation should be

the name should be translated to get that bag now it doesn't matter anymore do you think do you think they should remake Lost in Translation as Get That Bag? Get That Bag! With Mike Carlson! Mike Carlson should play the Scarlet Wall. Do you guys know about this trend? I don't know if it's dipped a little, but I remember reading an article about this a couple years ago, that teenagers will fake having sponsored content.

That's so sad. That they will buy products and then in their do their best impression of like ad copy in their caption and then like hashtag it sponsored because social status is so tied to whether or not you have a sponsorship even at a teen level because you have these people who just like inexplicably are being paid to hawk some new water bottle or whatever. Yeah. And now a word from our sponsor. Yeah, ad break.

And we're back. So kids pretend to do that. They pretend to care about these fucking products, but they're not even being paid to do it like we men of integrity are right uh no it just freaks me out and it's it's like they ask the companies about this and they're like i don't know it's like free publicity what are we gonna tell tell them not to sponsor us for free that it's it's it's that's that's a great point i just what are what are they pretending to like uh that's it's a very because like it's so much of what you sell is like antidepressant stuff or stock or boner pills.

So it's funny for a 16-year-old kid to sell ED treatment pills or whatever the fuck they're doing. But it's weird that they want people to think that they've sold out. That is how much the concept of selling out is dead. Well, it's a sign of success. Yes, sure. We're hugely successful. We hawk ED pills. out like that is how much the concept of selling out is dead well it's a sign of success yes sure we're we're hugely successful we we hawk ed pills did you know 25 of men over the age of 35 i can't even remember the cop it's something like that right yeah i think the big brand is parade that kids are faking the cool underwear i mean yeah why go and i keep blue blue chew in our lips like uh baseball

players keep tobacco or sunflower seeds mitch mitch has a pail in the corner of his screen and he's just constantly spitting blue goo into it packing another lip of blue chew. Also, he's rock hard. Yeah, I mean, that's been such a shift. I don't know. It's just we're... This is a system we live under. What are you supposed to do, you know? Yeah, it might be hypocritical because we hawk products all the time, I guess.

Yes, who cares? But when you're a millionaire actor, if you're an a-list actor i think that you should be ashamed of it and you should have to go to japan like we were saying i'm glad you're back around i just think there should be a television show where mitch is the judge of whether or not you should be ashamed of selling out and that's how i would love it yeah i love it he rules on it and then eventually of course the show gets so big that he has to rule on himself and that's the grand finale yeah that would be that's how it ends right you're gonna rip yourself a new one but but but the the movie star thing real quick just for you know doing commercials like that's

just kind of indicative it's it's a microcosm of just what's happened in the industry at large, which is a further upward transfer of wealth. And, you know, the the working class commercial actors of the world used to be able to like book a McDonald's national commercial and you buy a house. Right. And and now it's like, well, that's actually a buyout for a web ad. And you're maybe going to pay one month's rent off of that. You know, it's insane. That's even if you have those opportunities anymore. And, you know, that extends for the crews as well. So it's a bummer.

Look, Julia Louis-Dreyfus, I love Julia Louis-Dreyfus, but she never has to do a commercial ever and should never do one. Yes. Agreed. It's like creatively you care about this. Like I did. There's a there's a point where I just think money becomes so abstract and and it's a lot lower than I feel like the number that a lot of people think of. If you put the glasses on, though, Griffin, it says this is your God.

So that's that's how to people think of. If you put the glasses on, though, Griffin, it says this is your god. So that's how to un-abstractify it. If you just want to pop on the glasses. That's my favorite one, I think. It's pretty good. It's pretty good, especially because the movie's already done such a good job with the kind of clean, simple, like, of course, this would say this.

And then he takes a peek at the money and you're like, all right, what's it going a peek at the money and you're like all right what's it gonna say spend right like you know like something like that yeah it's it's so great what's the one that's like eight hours of work eight hours of play eight hours of rest yeah i think it's on a billboard right now i want to look at some of the uh which for me it's's like one hour of work, 14 hours of rest. Yes. Nine hours of play. Go on, yes.

I might have done my math wrong. The best thing about the money too also is that money is so pathetic looking if it is not a dollar bill. If it's just like a rectangle of paper, white paper, it's just so stupid looking. Right, you're like, what the fuck is this? It doesn't mean anything. Right.

What I like is the idea of there's an alien there looking at the magazine. So I'm like, is the alien looking at, like, Obey? Like, is he just checking on, like, is he reading? Because he's looking at the magazine, reading the magazine. Is he looking at, is he, like, flipping through the pages and seeing Obey? Or, yeah. What does he see through his eyes? Agree with that.

I don't know. I always just thought a lot of this was theater. A lot of this is just them pretending to be, like we've got to act like humans to integrate ourselves into society and ultimately take it over. Right. There's a whole other movie about them where it's like, do some of you actually like being humans?

Like why are you having sex with someone? Did you just kind of get into being a human is it all performance like what's your life like you know yeah there's there's hype there's gonna be there must be alien human hybrids too i mean that which uh which wasn't that wasn't there a tv series it wasn't alien nation wasn't there kind of like a alien nation is an alien who works with the cops i don't think he's a hybrid but there there are certainly but alien nation there's there are aliens among us right like it's like they are they are like there's no humans and aliens fucking i mean i'm sure they fuck i don't know yeah yeah right um do you think their nudie mags just say masturbate on every page and then like the fold out it's just masturbate but it's like stretched out it's

like masturbate and then you get to the final page and it says climax right and then there are a couple pages interspersed that say pretend to read this article uh no i mean it it i think the lack of subtlety to this movie is key because like have you guys seen malignant were we talking about malignant in the text thread was this why the cgi thing came up mitch saw it and i believe loved it i almost i i do i kind of think malignant is genius in a way like i i we we are pro malignant here yeah we all like malignant i think yeah and i do think i do think malignant is one of the movies where i'm like oh and a lot of his movies too where it's just like oh the cgi works and it's it's arguably again not even a scary movie i don't want to give it away but but but no but it's it's very entertaining right it's not a movie

that i was i went to bed being like, ooh, at all. Like, I just had a fun time. Dave and I were talking about this recently, but I went to see Malignant in the theaters doing my duty as a ticket-buying American, and then in the bathroom afterwards, there were these two young dudes,

and they were just railing on the movie. They were like, he should just retire. Like, bro, you make a movie like that, you're done. You don't get to make a movie ever again. Just retire. And then the other guy said, well, he can't retire because nobody even knows who he is. And I'm like, this dude's directed three billion dollar movies. He's created three of the most successful horror franchises in history like but but anyway then the guy says like and it's just

like watching that movie you can tell just like no effort like this director put no effort into this and it's like the the swipe you can throw with that movie is that there's too much effort put into everything like that everything in that movie is overcranked. But I think it speaks to the way that people watch things where it's like, that is a movie that is fucking ridiculous. And it announces it's ridiculous

with its opening scene where like a character, there's like a quick fucking zoom into her face and she says the insane thing right down the barrel. And there's like a haunted hospital that looks like arkham asylum

and shit like that movie's telling you how to watch it and i think similarly they live is like we're going to be very very silly and broad in the necessary places in terms of not even beginning to answer how do these aliens function is this theater why do they do any of this why do these sunglasses work you know like because it's you're getting bogged down in the shit that doesn't matter like he has a he wants to make something that's entertaining and the best way to make it entertaining and keep it within a fleet-footed 94 minutes is to just very cleanly state all of your themes, right? All of your interests, all of your sort of like,

I don't know, topics at the beginning of the movie as cleanly as possible so that you can just go along for the ride. And then I think this is a movie that people have certainly come around to,

but at the time people were like, I get it, I get it. 100%. Griff, I mean you that was very well said i i think it's never really tonally confused it it knows what it is and and if you're going into it thinking it's something different than that's that's on you like just like malignant i went into malignant thinking it was a certain type of movie and then as i was watching i was like oh it wasn't the movie I expected at all. And I love it. It's crazy. Right.

You adjust. Like, you pick up on the cues of what it's telling you. Yeah. How old were those two kids? Because I do want to kick their asses. Yeah. They were in their 20s. I think you can kick their asses.

I think it's fair game. You're not in, like, a Zach Braff situation here if you go after them. But it is, like, i think it's interesting like i i've seen it with other movies that have come out uh uh this year and in recent years or whatever as certainly movies that like david and i defend and people go like what the fuck are you talking about that movie corny. Like we will wax rhapsodic about how much we love something. And people are allowed to disagree with us. We're fucking morons. We like what we like.

Whatever. Right. I'm sorry. I'm a moron. David's very smart and very big and very special. I'm a huge moron. Sorry. Go on.

But like the retort I'll often hear from people who dislike a movie that we love is, are you insane? That movie's bad. It's like badly written and stupid and bad. Is this me on the text chain saying this to you? It is. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for calling you out in this way. But like I, there are people who disagree with us eloquently.

But I also see people who just clearly hit some roadblock with like the pitch or the tone of a movie, the broadness of it, the lack of subtlety to it, you know, whatever it is. How could you say that is good? It's so,

you know, so obviously clicked some like, you know, box in my head. That's like not allowed. Like a movie can't do that. It is possible that you guys like old because the dialogue is bad and the dialogue is bad because no one speaks like that in real life that's a

conclusive argument you guys are wrong right and i'm just like well he's not concerned with that and if that if that like stresses you out to watch it's too irritating for you then that's fine but like everything is a form of stylization you you know? Right. Like hyper realism is not actually real. It is a form of stylization and real life is weird. And oftentimes very heightened genre things are more capable of expressing an actual reality through their odd lens than a thing that's aiming to be naturalistic. And I do think like,

as we've been doing this run of these carpenter films this run of the last whatever you said it was david 10 or 11 that are like movies basically that that all arguably uh fucking uh uh just rule right and all have only aged better with time i do think there's something to the fact that even when like a movie like this, or let's say Big Trouble, which is arguably like his silliest movie, there is a sort of classical style

that he employs where he is so in control of tone that especially now with like an audience that's been trained on the movies that have come in the 40 years since Carpenter. You know, have been conditioned to understand how to read his movies by the filmmakers who grew up on his movies and have like continued his tropes and what have you. That his movies are very easy to click into. very uh easy to click into like they're they're they're they don't have the sort of like obvious bad overacting that a lot of like 80s action or horror movies have you know the dialogue is more sort of like um i don't know grounded and and emotionally rooted you know i i mean he stays

away from a lot of cliches things like that that i think i'm not saying any of this is a negative against him but it does feel like he fits into the binary of how people are able to understand genre films which is it is presenting itself to me with a serious enough face and the exact amount of tongue and cheek that i can tolerate i never i never i never want to break down like a movie for like you know i never want to break down a movie between genders or anything like that but do you think this is a movie that does appeal to do is this like a dude movie in a lot of ways or or or do you like i i'm afraid of the of the bro of of the bro label on this but i don't even think

bros do like this movie i think this is like such a strange i don't think so it's weirdly not sort of badass enough in a way or the like overall message isn't it you know this is not a movie that i ever really knew like my college buds to be into or if and like when i think of bros i think of like you know there was just like in college like there were seven boys who lived in a house together and it was basically it was the most disgusting place in the world like it was everything bad was there right like it was just these seven raging hormonal 20 year old boys who like played rugby and shit and so and like they did not like throw on they live all the time like i think they live is weirdly too pointed to have like that kind

of fun with right like it's kind of a sort of bleak pessimistic movie it's funny and it's like uh it's clever and it's sort of witty but it's also it's kind of you know cold-eyed about like you know the world we live in yeah it's not a fight club it's maybe it's maybe it's maybe just a little too weird yeah it's it's it's it's just a little too weird and too offbeat and and too uh you know um too low budget feeling maybe but but i i don't know like i always thought of this this is more of like a nerd culture movie than than like a bro movie right i think the greater risk is the thing we've already acknowledged which is like the wrong type of conspiracy theorists using this movie to back up their their pre-existing beliefs but but i also this movie i believe it takes half an hour

before he puts the sunglasses on like that, that's another thing that I prevent, I think prevents it from becoming a toxic bro movie in that sense of like, you have to watch 30 minutes of two kind of sad, broken men living in Skid Row, you know? And like really kind of just like the everyday struggles of these guys, like being under the boot of life. And then it's 30 minutes of,

you know, ostensibly him like kicking ass and taking names, but with an odd rhythm. I mean, you have him like, you know, blowing up people at this, you know,

bank after like yelling at people in a supermarket, but then there's a six minute fist fight out of a garbage truck, you know? And like he kidnaps a woman in the middle of that. And the last half an hour essentially is like well now we finally joined the resistance but even at that point as we've said the whole thing is like kind of haunted there's like a pessimism to what you can actually accomplish in this movie that i think yeah there's not a lot of winning you're 100 i mean just the ending of it

alone when you think about what has happened i like i said keith david just gets blasted and then and then he then roddy dies and and so you're like it is it is a bleak ending and you're like was that worth it they do show the world the aliens or whatever but even just going back to the the homeless encampment thing that weix was talking about that whole scene just unfolds in kind of the nightmarish way that you think it would unfold where they're going like a bunch of cops around like this church and then suddenly a bulldozer just takes the turn and then and starts taking down this encampment and you're like oh no they're taking down everything else too it's not just about this church it's just like it just slowly unfolds into everyone getting fucked over yeah and then at the end the the blind priest is surrounded by cops and he's

fucked and and it's and it's just kind of like i thought that scene worked so well it's just kind of hauntingly slowly fucking unfolds into a nightmare scenario and and it's yeah it's it's so difficult to watch it it's so it's so violent without being bloody. Yeah, just, you know, the inhumanity behind it. And also the movie makes a point of saying that, like, most of the cops are human. Right. So, you know, it's it's making a point about, you know, the this is these are a bunch of class traitors as well who are who are basically facilitating this. well who are who are basically facilitating this um yeah i don't know i i i really do like the point about uh griffin just about about how when something's earnest and unsubtle a lot of people just rebel against that you know i see you see that in video games with hideo kojima um who you

know made the metal gear solid games and most recently death stranding which is just like a just the most genius work about about quarantine. But like he's very he's very he's not subtle at all. Like everything's with everything's played with a heavy hand. And a lot of people are just like, this is stupid. Like this is dumb. And I don't know. I don't know where that reaction comes from.

I guess probably me when I was younger, maybe might have had a little bit more of a cynical take towards some of this stuff. But I, but I don't know. I love, I love earnestness. I love, uh, I love an absence of subtlety. Yeah. I think some of it is this weird cringe culture thing of like, you know, the, the, the effort is off putting to people.

Sure. You know, if, if you're making a point too empathetically, too loudly, whatever. But I also just feel increasingly, I just, like, I don't give a shit. Like, is the thing working in the way it's intended to? Am I entertained in the way it's attempting to?

Is it conveying the points to me? Do I think the points have any insight? You know, like, I don't really care how you you get there i also think the more extreme a concept is the broader you often have to paint with a brush to just get us in the door sure because it's like if a movie takes place in the fucking real world it's about two people in an apartment building or whatever you don't have to spend any time getting us adjusted to that reality you know if a movie is about aliens taking over then maybe you just have to say these sunglasses for whatever reason work and if you put them on you see the messages and the messages are very overt i mean the other thing though is like

you know the magic of john carpenter's he makes this shit look easy but it's not like i couldn't write a 90 minute movie that got this much across and was entertaining like but he makes this shit look easy but it's not like i couldn't write a 90 minute movie that got this much across and was entertaining like but he makes it look like just sort of the simplest thing that's true of so many of these hits of his and this long run we're covering here like the simplicity is part of the magic but you know that's a skill like and i would say the stuff we have coming up griffin because this is the end of his run yeah it does get kind of more baroque and strange and lost in its own you know like we'll talk about the movie specifically it's not like they're all bad but it is interesting how his kind of like punchiness is sort of gone come the 90s.

And I'm not sure why that is. I was going to say there's a shout out on the TV at the end. I think maybe during the sex scene with the aliens where they mentioned the movies of George Romero. Yeah. The movies of George Romero. I think he says and John Carpenter. And John Carpenter. Yeah.

He gives himself a shout out. They're getting diss dissed it's like all sex and violence has gone too far on screen i'm fed up with it and and the name of that show is no independent thought or that's at least what the logo is revealed to be with the sunglasses what what what if i if i had the sunglasses on and i looked at the blank check on Apple Podcasts, the little blank check square, what would be there instead? It would say the one guy talks too much and the other guy sounds exasperated. Buy dick pills. That's what it would say.

Buy dick pills. Buy dick pills. Your dick's off get dick hard ours would maybe just say manscaped wags Doughboys would just say manscaped I don't know how much

I have to say on this so I hesitate to even bring this in as a big subject but I do think it's interesting this movie in relation to Prince of Darkness which I don't know if you Doughboys have seen, but was the episode right before this for us. I've never seen it. I've seen it. I like it a lot. giant cylinder that they've been uh devoting uh their life and generations of clergymen to protecting is actually contains the antichrist like it contains the antimatter that is the opposite of god oh yeah it does um and that's a movie about like the institution of you can say

a church but like the church uh upholding this thing that they actually realize is wrong. You know, they're protecting the wrong thing. They have no understanding of what they're actually building their life around. But it is a movie that also in its own weird way confirms the existence of a higher power, which is sort of surprising for Carpenter because he seems like a largely agnostic guy. of surprising for carpenter because he seems like a largely agnostic guy um and then this movie oddly is like has this incredibly positive church in it you know this this thing that is seen as very suspicious socially redistributive church like right why are people going into this basement and it's socially redistributive but also it's like they're the ones who are correct they are the only people who have the right message and are spreading it and are doing something about it and are helping society

and helping the downtrodden they're just interesting films to be right next to each other especially considering they were like funded in the same way from the same company i agree that that's interesting and i also think if you said that to john carper and he'd be like i don't know it's just easy to get churches to film in them. No, I don't have any larger takeaway from what his feelings are. But it's interesting that these two movies are next week. That's all I want to say. Box office. No, it's interesting.

This is a great box office game, Griff. We've never talked. It's just a weird one. Guys, if you don't remember, we're going to talk about the week this movie came out, which was November 4th, 1988. I've been doing this show for almost seven years now. It's so nice when we get a clean box office game we've never gotten before. It's a clean one, Griff. It opened number one.

Wow. It opened number one. It's so bizarre to think about this movie opening number one in 1988 as Reagan is finishing his second term term and george hw bush is about to like fucking win 40 states absolutely true that's just so harshly critical of reaganism is like tops of the box office how many confused parents must have been in the audience i don't know it's like a movie with a wrestler holding a gun shooting at aliens like right right they're going that's what it says on the bottle simple fun time i mean right this movie was not a huge success or anything but you know cost three million bucks made like 13 so like you know everyone's happy i think basically um which is so it's funny to

think big home video hit i mean which is the whole point yeah yeah um so they live number one is new this week another movie that's new this week is a concert movie a notorious concert movie opening number two is uh which is go ahead madonna truth or dare no it is a concert movie that kind of ruined the band's reputation it was kind of like when they jumped the shark a little bit and they had to like sort of retreat for a while and have a big comeback album after this like this is when everyone got sick of them um it's a band i like uh ben thinks i'm lame for liking them they are absolutely kings of the 80s i mean huge 80s band they're an 80s band that you love and ben thinks you're a jerk what is it ben well i'll give you a

hint they have beards but all but not all of them no it's not zz top as much as you do like to rag on me for liking zz top stinks right two episodes how dare you incorrectly identified oh my god come out of there that's like some tired-ass dad rock. Yeah, exactly. You play it what you're talking to. You play it what you're talking to in a parking lot with your fucking hot rod. Ben, I am a tired-ass dad. Sounds fantastic. Yeah, he's a dad.

He doesn't sleep. All right, Ben, don't put down my doppelgangers like that. I like them a lot. If both ZZ Top guys merged into one person you get Mitch is it Kiss? was it Kiss at the concert movie? it's an 80s band that's kind of fucked up their reputation

they had to come back from this alright well I'll say this it begins with the lead singer it begins I think I'm not sure if it's the absolute first song, but they do a cover of Helter Skelter, and the lead singer says, like, Charles Manson took this song from the Beatles, and we're taking it back, which people hated, because it was annoying of him to say that. The fuck is this? And this was a big hit?

Well, I mean, I guess for a concert movie it did pretty good because like, you know. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. This is the fucking, it's the fucking U2 movie, right? It's Rattle and Hum.

Yeah. Rattle and Hum. Yeah. Okay. And U2 stinks, so that's why, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Rattle and hum is absolutely you two's

first like apex where people are like enough of these guys like they're up their own ass and they come you know then they have to kind of like you know retreat and when they come back they're sort of like had their tails between their legs they're like we know we got a little too you know it's okay we're back you know but uh rattling home that's number two and then later forced everyone to download their album they didn't force us to download it it was just there just one day it was there i was i was okay i was okay with that because i was like who cares it's like it's just a free out and then now that it's the year 2021 and i in and like raised by wolves or whatever the fuck comes up.

I'm like, I don't want to fucking do it. Raised by Wolves. That's not the best album. I think someone actually took the time to email us the other day suggesting that we do a Phil Jeannot miniseries. Director of Rattle and Hum, Three O'Clock High, and Gridiron Games. Yes, you're right. Someone actually did.

I forgot. Someone emailed that to us. o'clock high and gridiron yes you're right someone actually did i forgot someone yeah that's well number three griffin is a sports film that i've never heard of hmm uh what so i'm guessing you maybe it's football it's a football movie okay uh it's about a college football hero who you know goes pro and has sort of ups and downs and a big love story. It has a really stupid title. It's directed by Taylor Hackford.

It's not the... Necessary roughness? It's kind of a flop. It's not that. It's not the Anthony Michael Hall one, is it? No. I can tell you the star of this movie if you wish to know.

I do wish to know. It's Dennis Quaid. Ooh. And then the other stars of this movie are Jessica Lange and John Goodman. Is it called All-American something? It's called Everybody's All-American. Yeah.

Wow. That sucks. Yeah. It sounds really bad. Yeah. This is a movie it seems like no one really liked. Yeah, that eats butt. Yeah. But weird, right? That's like a classic box office game thing one really liked. Yeah, that eats butt. Yeah, but weird, right?

That's like a classic box office game thing. We just don't know that. Okay, number four at the box office. Is eating butt bad now? I don't know. Depends on your demographic. We're ZZ Top dad rock here, so we're anti-ass eating. We're scared of butts.

It's too unsubtle for me. I don't understand the tone of eating ass. I have come here to chew bubble gum and eat ass. And I'm all out of ass. Plenty of gum, though. Also, maybe do one or the other. You don't want bubble gum stuck in a bud. It's a bad combination.

Space those out for sure. All right. Number four, Griff. Number four, Griff, is an Oscar winning film this year. It wins a big Oscar. The only Oscar it's nominated for. In fact, it's a drama. A legal drama. It's a legal drama.

It wins a big Oscar. It's not Wall Street, is it? Not Wall Street. Very, very serious. Kind of an issues drama. It's not a topic that I think Hollywood had not really gotten into very much. Interesting. Subject, Hollywood had not really covered before.

No. Very serious. Is it The Accused? It's The Accused. Which is one of those movies where you're like is that a good movie and it's like it's okay it was just kind of a you know you had to be there big moment movie you know like i think another example of a movie that's legacy is mostly now it being recreated shot for shot on south park what is it really they they do the fucking the assault scene from the oh my god really i thought you were joking no with george lucas it's an episode

about kingdom of the crystal skull and the idea of blank filmmaker raped my childhood in quotes dear lord i thought it was i thought you were i thought that's insane how much did those guys just get to do more South Park? Did they just get like a billion dollars? Like an island or something? Yeah, they just got two islands. The accused. The craziest thing about the accused.

Jodie Foster's second build behind Kelly McGillis. Yeah, that's why I always in my mind thought she won supporting. But yeah. She won lead, but I think it was sort of for her. It was like the the graduation moment from child star to adult star yeah and hearing all these other hearing all these other movies makes me think like how wasn't how does they live feel like kind of like like video store hidden gem or usa up all night hidden gem because all these movies sound awful

like all the other movies sound terrible it's a kind of shitty week it's like yeah what do we go see rattle and hum i guess i'll see the roddy piper movie okay right i was surprised that rattle and hum opened at number two but now i'm surprised it didn't open at number one almost like no disrespect to they live but yeah go on number five was number one the previous week which is kind of crazy big drop uh it's a horror sequel um to in a big franchise but it's sort of uh a bit you know it's it's it's going back to what worked oh so it's not a two. It's a... Mm-mm. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Is it Halloween 4?

It's Halloween 4. Wow. How apropos. The first one Carpenter doesn't work on. Carpenter's out. He knocks him out of the number one position. That's true. The beginning of the Thorn Tr in in the halloween series which is now being roundly ignored in the new halloween series that is in theaters now basically i can't wait to see

lenny clark die in the new one though i i saw the trailer there i was like oh lenny clark is lenny clark gonna get it is he skinny so i would guess so i think he's i think he's in between i think he's somewhere i think he's somewhere in between what he once was and his thinness, probably. I finally watched Halloween 2. I think I'm going to try and knock them all out in this month of October. Oh, you watched the original Halloween 2. I watched Halloween 2 1. Right.

Various other attempts at a sequel to Halloweenlloween basically right uh what do you think it's got that uh that hot tub sequence which is bananas it's solid very solid it's all i liked it i'm gonna watch them all i'm gonna watch a season of the witch uh next i also did track down a blu-ray box set of all the puppet master movies so i'm gonna i'm gonna run wow through. Wow. You're doing a whole October. I've been getting into the Puppet Master. I've decided I'm going to watch them all, even the Nazi ones. Do you know that doll horror was the thing that did scare me so much as a kid? Hey, Mitch, you and I are very, very alike in that sense. Peacing a pot on that.

Chucky, I've told a story on Doughboys where I thought Mickey Mouse grabbed my arm. Nick went, yes. I've heard this story many times story yeah but but just any chucky and the puppet master dolls like any small little you know doll creature that came to life that scares the shit out of me you know i just realized i almost went through the episode without doing this but merchandise spotlight i forgot i had these dolls right here on my desk look at that wow look at that yeah they fuck i love that sweater keith david's got that's a great sweater this came with the blu-ray when you got it from shout factory have them come alive i'd be fine with that yeah right um some other movies

griffin the top 10 i just want to shout out new this week is the good mother the leonard nimoy uh directed diane keaton like family court drama like just to continue this sort of like this is a lot of shit at the box office yeah prequel to the good son do you guys know what the premise of that movie is what is we need to wrap up this episode but i'm gonna say it really quickly because we when we did the star trek patreon i was like what are the other movies leonard nimoy directed and then i i fell down this rabbit hole of how bizarre his other films are outside of the Star Treks and Three Men and a Baby. The Good Son, I believe, is about Diane Keaton is divorced. Her boyfriend. I'm sorry.

Good mother. Diane Keaton is divorced. Split custody. Liam Neeson is her current boyfriend. There are two incidents. One where the daughter gets into bed with them after they've been having sex and they're naked and spends the night in bed with them they don't have sex next to the daughter that right the other one is that she and the other one she walks into the bathroom

and asks if he can see his penis while he's peeing or something she asks if she can touch his penis and he lets her while he's peeing like i believe Neeson? Like, I believe she sort of, you know, just kind of gives it a little pat. The kid's like four or five or something. Well, it's Liam Neeson's dick. It's probably 85% of the room. Like, it's hard not to touch it. The second she opens the door,

she's touching his dick. But this is the premise of this movie, is the daughter repeats these anecdotes to her father, and the father sues the mother, saying, like, this is a premise of this movie is the daughter repeats these anecdotes to her father. And the father sues the mother saying like, this is a sexually abusive childhood. And Liam Neeson's like, I'm Irish. We do things differently.

And the whole movie becomes about the ethics of like, why the fuck did Leonard Nimoy make this? I think it's like based on a book. It sounds completely, if this is the whole thing about the eighties, Hollywood is so weird in the 80s but can you just imagine working like 14 hour days for months filming that movie being like we really need to say this it needs to be spoken this will be my breakout i can't wait a kid touches my

dick in this one what it's like an issues drama it was meant to be an oscar play and all the critics were just flummoxed by it yeah okay i just gotta round this out mystic pizza which is a great movie that i re-watch all the time and a pretty good frozen pizza yeah griff we should go there oh yes i want to go to mystic pizza so bad um there's also punchline uh the tom hanks and sally field stand-up comedy movie yeah which i've never seen uh there's gorillas in the mist another oscary movie of the year and at number 10 mitch alien nation wow there you go there it is how about that i just wanted to get to that one that's wild wild. So there you go. Gorillas in the Mist. Was that nominated for something?

Sigourney was nominated for Best Actress. And Stan Winston? Not Stan Winston. Rick Baker. Yeah, it was nominated for five Oscars. Actress, Writing, Sounds, Film Editing, and Music. Not Rick Baker. Oh, that's insane.

This was the year that Sigourney got two nominations the same year and then never was nominated ever again. Wow. Yeah, it's weird. It's the end of her run. Because Aliens is the year before this, so she gets Best Actress. It's like two years before this.

Then the following year, she gets Best Actress and Supporting Actress nominations. She seems like she's before this. Then the following year, she gets best actress and supporting actress nominations. She seems like she's inevitable. Almost 40 years later, no more nominations. Has she never won an Oscar? No. Never won an Oscar. And that's the year she probably should have won one of those two.

Supporting actress is the weird one. She lost to Geena Davis. Sort of a weird one. She probably should have won there anyway for Beetlejuice with the vote against herself no she is amazing in Beetlejuice yeah yeah what what if Sigourney wins for Avatar 4 what if

that's the one that's the one where she's really got a meaty role the tree as the tree I hope she's playing a fucking tree Mitch I've talked about this a lot I hope she's playing the fucking tree mitch i've talked about this a lot i hope she's playing that fucking tree she has her faces in it they keep on being cagey about her involvement in the film and i'm like if she's not playing the tree i'm gonna fucking riot she died and they tried to revive her with the tree she should be in theaters griff we'll see the first shot of her face

in a tree and you're just going to start pumping your fists. It's going to be great. Otherwise, I'm going to go John Nada in that whole movie theater. Chew bubblegum. That's what I mean. I'm going to chew bubblegum. I'm going to sit in my seat calmly and chew bubblegum. That wouldn't have been

that crazy within the movie for that to happen. I want to point out a lighter moment that happens as well please because it was just a moment that i loved and i didn't get to say it is when when when he and keith david are fighting and he breaks the window to the car and then he starts laughing and it's like such a great moment when when yeah like apologizes to him right yeah he's like laughing and he's like sorry and then and keith david's all pissed off because he broke the the car window But it's a great moment. Sorry, I just had to get it out there.

No, it's a nice little moment. And the human stuff, that's why this stuff works. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, they live. Guys, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for having us. Thanks for having us.

An absolute delight. Yeah, it was delightful. Love the excuse to rewatch this movie and talk about it with the two of you. We're always going to lure you guys in with good movies. That's how we'll get you. Yeah, that's how we trick you. Anytime.

Offer you really good movies. And we're going to make you eat airport chilies. What? Fine. I'll get in my car drive to jk whatever uh real real quick i think i can speak for all of us uh just you know we're we're in the the wake of the iatsy yeah vote and uh solidarity with everyone there um you know hope that hope hope that all works out for everyone very thrilling moment that just both that both the uh

vote but the turnout as well very exciting amazing. Amazing turnout for a union that size. It's just one of those things. I had always been somewhat resigned to that being a fundamental evil of the industry. It felt like it was impossible that anything could be changed. And it's a thing that's been getting worse and worse and worse by the year and i uh i think it's one of the rare examples of uh uh the the pandemic finally causing a breaking point that uh you know made people stand up and refuse to take it anymore um yeah and i'm i'm optimistic about that if nothing else in the world right now things ahead no nothing else about things no that's the one good thing i had to strike solidarity what about my my beautiful

daughter she's she's a good thing griffin she's gonna save us all yeah she's good by the way is she dressing up as the boss baby for halloween absolutely not but what if i send you a little what if i send you a little suit no no My wife is very intent on dressing up for Halloween. It's better. She is all over that. I can deliver a little suit and it is tailored to her exact measurements. She's growing every day. Then I'll have to send in new measurements day off.

No, one of my neighbors works on an Emmy uh an emmy winning show well i shouldn't give too much away but they wanted to cut the uh the the they wanted to cut the the budget for the department that she works in by one third um emmy winning show the next season which is just insane it's just people trying to save money. So I'm 100% back, IATSE. I just wanted to make it clear because I was silent on it. That wasn't some weird.

I mean, I will say the Tick won negative Emmys and our second season, the budget was cut by 40%. And that absolutely was made up for only in sweat equity like it was uh insane it it physically broke me uh and i had it easier than a lot of people who worked on that show um so yes uh solidarity with ayatzi solidarity with the dough boys it's the best podcast in the universe and how did this get played I was just on I was just on how did this get

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I said it now. Go to blankies.red.com for some real nerdy shit and go to patreon.com slash blank check for blank check special features where we're doing all the mummy movies. Brendan Fraser and Tom Cruise. All the modern mummy universal films. Wow.

Modern mummies. Indeed. We're doing the modern mummies. It's the MM series. And tune in next week for Memoirs of an Invisible Man. It was nice while it lasted, John Carpenter. Nope.

This is it. The cliff. What a run. And as always, just to leave us on this final note, when asked if Shepard Fairey ever reached out

to him directly, Carpenter responds, no, no, he didn't ask me either. The shit. He owes me money. No, it's fine. I don't care.

Ha ha! Ha ha! Ha ha! me money no it's fine i don't care my mom might bring me a chicken caesar rap in the middle of this by the way like an hour and we have to talk about it if that happens