Blank Check with Griffin & David - Trainspotting with Charles Rogers

Episode Date: January 29, 2023

The UK’s answer to PULP FICTION, Danny Boyle’s TRAINSPOTTING exploded into theaters and became a global phenomenon, thanks to an iconic marketing campaign. Who *didn’t* have this poster up in their dorm room? “Search Party” creator Charles Rogers returns to the pod to talk about how his own dorm TRAINSPOTTING poster contributed to his coming out at college, and how Danny Boyle’s radical empathy and fearlessness makes this film so much more than a movie-of-the-week cautionary tale. Join our Patreon at patreon.com/blankcheck Follow us @blankcheckpod on Twitter and Instagram! Buy some real nerdy merch at shopblankcheckpod.myshopify.com or at teepublic.com/stores/blank-check

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A little Colin Farrell. A little Colin Farrell. There's that boyish quality To his voice That he still has Still has it Yeah That's why hello there is funny Hello there Because when he says hello there

In Star Wars Yeah He is That line Alec Guinness says that Yes Right Right

And so clearly they're like Ah it's no ma You know we're referencing But the way he says it You're like He's like a little kid Like you know Picking someone up at school

Hello there You know It is also, we did Dr. Sleep on the Patreon feed, Paywild recently. We talked about Ewan for a while there watching this movie. It is just

incredible how he has aged. He's beautiful. You mean that he's a good looking man? Yeah, but it's just basically just, he looks exactly the same, just with some added wisdom. Well, he's had good looking man Yeah but it's just basically He looks exactly the same Just with some added wisdom Well he's had good work He's had some good work

He's one of those guys where it's like He's had a little hair transplant He's 30 pounds heavier than he is in this movie But that's intentional Sure okay so this is what we were talking about Don't ever point at me I'm sorry My mother used to tell me I would get slapped

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Choose a podcast Choose a fucking big podcast I wonder if you would do that too That's a better punch up I thought you were going to do it I literally had it all written down in case you weren't

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final line of, you know, I've got heroin. That's the thing. And that does fit. Yeah. So I think you did good. Yeah.

Podcasting, the modern heroin. We've covered 10 Ewan McGregor films on the podcast, but if you don't count Star Wars, we've only done Big Fish, Birds of Prey, and on the special features, Doctor Sleep. Okay.

Big Fish is really the only big Ewan movie we've done on the main feature. Which you don't like him in that. You're very anti that performance. I'm very anti that performance? You have said... I thought it was Crud up who i was crud up was launching missiles at you've said horrible things to me in private about ewan

mcgregor's performance at big fish scandalous things scandalous things that would make your mother tell someone to slap you i don't think i think that when he does that american g g whiz thing i'm always kind of like... Okay. You know, like, that's not... We're not done with love. Well, I do love him in Down with... Thank you.

Catcher Block. Catcher Block. Catcher Block's great. But, you know, he's not... But that's a... He's playing a cynical character there. Oh, he's a cad. Yeah.

Like, I'm more mean when he was being a boyish baby face boy in American accents. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, but I think that's the good one. I think that's the right context. He's good. He's handsome. He's a handsome man. He's a star.

Oh, my God. He's such a star. I'll follow him wherever he wants me to go. That's the thing with him. We had this conversation with our buddy Alex Ross Perry when we were doing Clockwork Orange about like how many actors. Very similar movie. Very similar movie. Yes. body alex ross perry when we were doing clockwork orange about like how many actors very similar

movie yes but also how just like uh most actors who worked with kubrick the kubrick film is the thing that will be in their obituary like he gave people their definitive role in their definitive project right although he was wrong about barry lyndon and we should have challenged that on the podcast love story or paper money i think it's Love Story or Paper Moon. I think both of those have a bigger... Yeah. Look, we always... You're never left

with more regrets about what you should have challenged in an After an Alex Ross Perry podcast, but you gotta let him go when he's going. McGregor will never give a performance

more definitive than this, right? Like, whether or not it's his best performance... Yeah, that's true. And sometimes with guys like this, it's like, well, if that's the thing they come out of the gate, everyone meets them on this movie not it's his best performance. Yeah, that's true. And sometimes with guys like this, it's like, well, if that's the thing, they come out of the gate, everyone

meets them on this movie, it's hard to overcome. But it just feels like this is the crystallization of everything. I think he's done a lot of great work. I think he has probably a lot of great work ahead of him. This will be his eulogy. I think all more than Star Wars. I think that in

the United Kingdom, there's no doubt that that is true. I think in America, it'd be fucking Star Wars these days. I think so. I mean, he's had a weird... That's more me speaking ill of America. ...career, though. I don't know.

He hasn't had, like... I think Moulin Rouge is the other movie that might be at the top of the list. For both countries. Probably for the U.S. Probably people think of Moulin Rouge. I don't know, though. When I looked up this movie,

this was playing on Cinemax Encore like I feel like this is like a mainstay for like yeah yeah it's a big movie on premium you know cable channels it's incredible I love this movie so much we're gonna talk about you in a lot on this

miniseries yes you love this movie so much so much me too so much but I just wonder if it's like, is this more ubiquitous in Britain than it is here? Like, has this become more of a weird artifact in America? I want to say this. What? This is a podcast called Blank Check

with Griffin and David. I'm Griffin. I'm David. Wow. Fuck, Charles. Jesus Christ. Taking me to the paint. You gotta be Charles today, David. It's fine. It's fine. It's good. It's like, you know me to the paint. You gotta be Charles today, David. It's fine. It's fine. It's good. It's like, you know, work the bag. It'll wake me up.

You're not gonna like it. No, no, I'll love it. It's a podcast about filmographies. Yep. Directors who experienced massive success early on in their careers, such as making a movie like Trainspotting that cost $1.5 million and made like $90 million worldwide. Yeah, $80 million, I think.

Okay. Around there, yeah. And are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce. Baby, this is a miniseries on the films of Danny Boyle. Now, this is his second movie. True.

This is the first one we are recording chronologically. True. Which means you need to weigh in on this on mic right now. Yes, I'm ready. I. You threw out a name that seemed right. On November 7th. Yeah.

I wrote. I just texted to the blank check group text. With no further comment. Trains podcasting. Wait, was that what I thought was good? And then I wrote. It's was that what I thought was good? And then I wrote, it's either that or slumpod million cast.

And then my third test was 28 podcasts later, dot, dot, dot. And your response was? Tuesday, November 8th. Anyone want bagels? The next morning. Did anyone? I wrote, absolutely. And you got bagels. And next morning. Well, did anyone? I wrote, absolutely. And you got bagels, and I thank you for that.

There you go. But the point is, it's been over a month, and you never weighed in. I think it's train, wait, say it again. Train spodcasting. Train spodcasting.

I think it's that. Here's why. I think it's good. Yeah. One, it's silly. Yeah. Two, I just want the art to be the train spotting poster art. Well, of course. It has to be. Of course. Two, I just want the art to be the train,

the train spotting poster art. Well, of course. It has to be. Of course. Like, and I don't want it to be the Slumdog Millionaire poster, which beyond the fact that it's a movie starring

non-white people, which is nice. It's kind of a bad poster. It's a bad poster. So like, you know, fuck that. Yeah.

And what was the other one? 28 Days Later. That's just like red and glowing eyes. Like, that's kind of boring. And also, that's just kind of boring.

Yeah. 28 Podcasts Later. Train Spotcasting. Oof. It's not's kind of boring. And also, that's just kind of boring. Yeah. 20 podcasts later or whatever. Trains pod-cast. Trains pod-casting. Oof, it's not rolling off the tongue. Trains pod-casting. I think that's what's charming about it. It's rumbling into the station.

Exactly. The fact that it's impossible. It's a little squeaky. Trains pod-casting. Trains pod-casting. Trains pod-casting. Trains pod-casting. Trains pod-casting.

Trains pod-casting. Yeah. Trains pod-casting. Today, we're talking about the titular... The titular film of this miniseries. Correct. Danny Boyle's Trainspotting. His 1996 British black comedy, I suppose.

One of the most important films of the 90s. A definitive film of the 90s, especially in the UK. Our guest today returned to the show after far too long true co-creator of Search Party nah just creator taking it for yourself Charles Rogers

thank you for having me I'm so honored to have been picked for such a seminal movie when you offered the list to me, I was like, well, train spotting is my number one, but like you,

you're going to get like Lin-Manuel Miranda. You're going to get one of your big kahuna guests. Lin-Manuel Miranda attempted a train spotting stage adaptation. You'd get some famous Scottish person. A famous Scott. I don't know enough famous Scots. No, who would be? More fool me.

Yeah. I don't have enough Scots in my life. More fool you? Yeah. You would get Danny Boyle. Hey, Danny. What's your favorite Danny Boyle movie? Trainspotting's pretty good.

I don't know. I just, after Mixed Nuts, I really was like, I'm going to have like a how did this get made relationship to the movies that I get invited to. We like to mix up sometimes, but we...

I think Griff was like, Charles likes trainspotting, and I was like, Charles is perfect for trainspotting. It felt good. It felt clean. Now, we were talking right before this about trying to get hot. All three of us were relating our struggles of wanting to get hot. While eating

Little Caesars. David Orr and Little Caesars. I didn't touch that. I also didn't touch that. It tastes... I also didn't touch it for the record. Ben and I are getting hot. It's absolutely liquid gold. Sometimes I think I want to get hot,

and then I eat something like Little Caesars pizza, and I'm like, why would I ever give this up? I'm not sponsored by Little Caesars. I simply picked it up with my own two hands and brought it into the studio. A lot of slots just open up for 2023 if Little Caesars wants to jump in.

Oh, yeah, that's true. We could become Little Caesars presents blank check.. Oh, yeah, that's true. We could become Little Caesars Presents Blank Check. The point is, we were talking about this, and you were, Charles, you were talking about a friend of yours

who was hot and then got even more hot, and then it turned out... You can finish it. He had worms. He had... He had a lot of worms. He had a lot of worms.

A lot of them, yeah. And this thing of just, oh, the people who look the most hot often something horribly unhealthy is going on, whether deliberate or unconsciously. I like the characters in this movie. I was going to say. It is upsetting how much I kept thinking to myself

how good these fucking guys look. It is. It's two things. One, it's the vintage thing. Absolutely. And two, it's the fact that they're all hot in the movie, but they're also all still hot

And so there's this thrill to seeing them young To seeing all these You know Kelly MacDonald and Ewan McGregor And Johnny Lee Miller He has no fat On his abs there's nothing He bends over and it's still tiny To this day I mean I'm no longer

Like you know when I was like a twink I was like into skinny other twinky boys And now I'm no longer like you know when I was like a twink I was like into skinny other twinky boys and now I'm not that much you know it's not I love all types of people now very cool or just men really

all types of men people let's not get crazy but then like re-watching this movie I'm like this is still the pinnacle and this movie has a very coming out origin story for me because I had the Trainspotting poster on my dorm. The classic one that everybody has. Yeah. The nice orange one.

And I had it on my wall. And these two girls that I met in orientation, Rachel Carlson and Elektra Yao, in hindsight, both probably… Yeah, Rachel, if you're out there I miss you if you're around in hindsight they were like I think both after me and I just didn't realize that and they came back to my dorm

and they saw the poster and they were like he's so hot in this and it was the first week of college and I made the choice to be like he is and I had never ever I was like and then I was And I made the choice to be like He is And I had never ever Sure you were comfortable being like He is And then I was like I can't believe I just did that

And then like two days later They were like So are you gay? And I was like I am And then that was There was no turning back It was the soft opening

So it's you It's you and specifically That you were agreeing Everyone was agreeing Or it was They're all I mean even It'd be funny if they were pointing

To like Robert Carlyle Like if he was the one He is though Everyone looks good He's pretty in this movie He's a pretty guy in general He's got this cheeky Pointy little pretty nose

In this movie Or were you just kind of like I mean Ewan It's Ewan Ewan Ewan Ewan Ewan McGregor

It's unparalleled There's no one who is as hot in that way ever since he's very beautiful i would say beyond being hot he doesn't look like anyone else and he doesn't look like any other attractive person if that makes sense no no apart from his little dimpled chin yeah which is very cute and very like old hollywood sure he does you're right he doesn't have like a it's not like oh he's like a blah type. Like, you know, like, you know, like, I don't know, some actor. I remember as a dumb, as a dumb little straight boy, I would not understand when women would say, or girls my age would say, that someone was attractive who did not look like the 30 Rock joke, a cartoon astronaut or whatever, right? I'd be like, well, I understand what a handsome man looks like. Square-ish jaw.

Sure. Yeah. Looks like Superman. Yes. I was like, I understand Superman is attractive conventionally to women. I don't understand. And people would say that about Ewan McGregor, and I'd be like, he's kind of goofy looking. Yeah. Because he doesn't, he's not conventionally pretty. No, but

he's got the same, he's got another I totally get it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah No but he's got the same He's got another I totally get it Yeah yeah yeah But he's got the Malcolm McDowell The same Rapscallion swag It's that same And also Robert Pattinson In Good Time

Oh sure Yeah yeah he's always that And like Jude Law Who is I would say another Very pretty Brit, who emerges a little after Ewan. Just a little. A little.

He's similarly, you're like, yes, I get that. That guy looks like he's from a 30s movie. Like, yeah, he's very, very pretty, very handsome. But yeah, Ewan's a little different. A little scragglier. You compare like McDowell and Pattinson. They're both scary in those movies, right?

Yeah. Like Pattinson, obviously, both scary in those movies, right? Like Pattinson obviously is choosing to invoke that. McDowell, even when he was at his prettiest, there was something menacing and creepy. McDowell never played a guy who was like just like a chill, normal guy.

If Malcolm McDowell was like, hey, how you doing? And smiled at me, I'd be like, what the fuck do you want? I'll give you my money. It's okay. The secret to the success of this movie, there's something innately sweet about McGregor.

It's the Danny Boyle magic. Yeah. It's, this is, you know. But also just him as a performer. It's like, it's why you need him at the center. But good call. Danny Boyle, sentimental streak. Yes. Very crucial to Trainspotting's success. yeah but but you and bremmer played bremner played uh rant boy on stage when they did this as a play he played he played

that is a fantastic performance that he gave right but you watch this he's so good at spud amazing he's an incredible character actor he looks like a wounded deer or whatever he's so good at spud amazing he's an incredible character actor he looks like a wounded deer or whatever he's so sweet you know you feel for him i cannot imagine this movie working with those two guys flipped as a movie yeah he could play retin on stage i could see you in playing spud i don't know if it would work but i guess ewan would just play him as the sort of innocent yeah i guess i could see that it's hard to imagine i think that probably the stage play had a different a slightly different tone or something it was just like a little bit more of like uh i bet it was a little ickier there's no vibe to the research where it's like ewan rebner was like that's my role and he's not fucking jimmy conway no no he was like i was really

appreciative that they gave me a good part yes yeah i think he like fully understood like no no not jimmy jimmy conway is fucking the goodfellas character come on jeff conway is that his name oh for jeff conway you know he was he played uh danny on broadway and then he was connected oh okay yes i mean he's like looking at travolta being like you stole my part you fucker right and then you watch jeff conway on the first seasoni, and he is straight up doing Travolta. It's clear that, like, it broke him. Right. He's like, that must be what I have to do. Come on.

It's that kind of thing. But no, I think Bremner seems to say, like, I got it completely. Yeah. That I didn't have the innate sort of weird quality that you needed for this to work as a movie. And I was very happy to play Spud. I kept on, I watched all the special features

which are preserved on iTunes now from what was a pretty good DVD at the time. But they talk a lot about the book is so sort of like shortcuts-y in that it's just all these vignettes and it scatters across the characters more. Right, and I think the play was maybe a little more like that.

And that was like Boyle's first big decision. It's like, we're turning this into a 90-minute... This is going to be a digestible commercial film. Right. Which Irvin Welsh appreciated. And because of that, everything kind of has to be from Renton's point of view. He'll be the main character.

Right. Right, it was just more ensemble. He's the line. Well, in the book, he is the most just more ensemble He's the line Well in the book He is the most sympathetic character He's like All these people suck And I don't know why I'm doing this

But I do love heroin So good But like So like in the book If you're reading the book You're like Well Renton is kind of The only remotely

Sympathetic character here Spud is kind of sympathetic But he's sort of stupid But Spud I would argue Tommy is too Tommy is tragic Yes

Spud becomes sympathetic I think because of becomes... Tommy is too. Tommy is tragic. Yes. Tragic, yeah. Spud becomes sympathetic, I think, because of Bremner's performance. A little bit. In the hands of a different actor, I don't know if he lands that way. In the book, he's just an innocent. It's like, he's like just... You feel bad for him. Spud could have been more chaotic. And you could see him being so stupid

that you can't even relate to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Ben? Well, I was just going to say in the book, they jump around from different perspectives. So there's different characters speaking. Ben, did you like this book? Yeah.

It's a real good book. So this book, we have a lot to discuss. I also had the poster, but I had the Choose Life. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The monologue poster. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I tried to, okay, I bought the book and then I was like, I actually don't know. Yeah. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Pretty cool.

I bought the book. I, you know, like every other book in my life, I didn't read it. And then I downloaded the Audible and it was just like so thick, the accent. I was like,

I actually don't think I can do 12 hours of this. I wonder who read the audio. I couldn't do it. One of the insane things on the DVD, there's a lot of interviews from the con party for this movie. The con film festival. Right, of course.

No, no, no. It's not. No, no, no. You're right. You're right. It's not a con film festival. I think this movie comes out in the spring. So when it's playing...

It came out in February in the UK Then it played out of competition And then it came out in America in the summertime So I can't sort of help build up The can party is like this film has fully succeeded In the UK It's a phenomenon and now we want to take on the world The question is can you take this

Deeply unsympathetic film About heroin addict criminals And make it cool and sexy and fizzy which it is but like enough that americans are like ah one ticket please so they have this this uh can party that was like i mean the inner titles are saying like the film played at a competition as a midnight screening but it was the only unanimously like sort of well-received film the entire festival and then like the party became the

must-attend event of the festival and they show the party and it's like Mick Jagger Tony Collette the people why Damien yes just incredible crew of people but the longest Martin Landa who gives a

bizarre interview where they're like do you think this like signals the start of a new wave a new media a new generation of British filmmakers and he's like what are you think this signals the start of a new wave, a new generation of British filmmakers? And he's like, what are you talking about waves? Waves aren't a thing. They're not generation. It's just people. It's just

one person makes a movie. He's very angry about it. I kind of like that. It was kind of incredible. And you're also just like, what is he doing at this party? But then the longest interview, weirdly, the guy who stays and talks to this fucking red carpet schmo for the longest interview, weirdly, the guy who stays and talks to this fucking red carpet schmo for the longest is Noel Gallagher. Sure.

Well, he is also king of the world right then. Absolutely. Who's Noel Gallagher? Of Oasis. Oasis. Oh, okay. The front man. And they ask him if he...

Also, a chatty guy who loves to go off if there's a microphone in front of him. And was good. He's so funny he's maybe the funniest British person but they were asking do you think the film's gonna connect in the states

as much and he goes I don't know the fucking accents they might understand I didn't understand much of what they're saying and it's like

he's a man who is somewhat unintelligible he's Mancunian he's from Manchester and he was saying I did a very bad job of his accent there but he was saying

that he could not understand most of the dialogue in the film. Did you guys watch this with subtitles on? I sure did. Okay, yeah, I was going to say. David? Yes, I did. I mean, I watch everything with subtitles because of my daughter. Yeah, I'm a little that way too.

Because of my daughter. Wait, your daughter watched this movie? No. Okay. She didn't watch it. She just read it. She read the subtitles. You just showed her only the baby scenes?

Well, I actually put it on with my wife in the room because I was like, just watch the first 10 minutes. It's like fucking shot out of a can. Has she never seen it before? No. Wow. That's not surprising. And quite quickly, she was like, there's a baby.

Is the baby okay? And I was like, no. And maybe we should stop watching. Maybe less okay than a baby's ever been. She was like, you shouldn't have even told me that the baby is not okay, even though I'm not going to watch. You should have just said the baby's okay.

The baby is so not okay, it comes back. I was like, does this movie have a vibe of the baby's going to be okay? Like, not really. It's Chekhov's baby. I forgot about that. It's also, it happened so early in the movie, and we move on, and it's still light and fun.

And I don't know how it pulls that off. Well, that's why this movie is a real magic trick of a movie. I hadn't seen this movie in a really long time. Probably since college. I saw it one time in high school

and I hadn't seen it since. I watched it a ton in high school and probably in college and then I hadn't seen it in so long. In the baby, I remember being

so hard to watch. I'm going to be honest, actually. I skipped the scene. I've seen the movie many times. Well, I hope so. It doesn't count. Your opinion is.

It was not the hard. It ended up not being the hard. The hardest thing for me watching it this time around was Tommy. And when Tommy goes back, I was like, I am so bummed by this.

But the baby, I was just like, this is really well done. No, it is well done. I was just sort of like appreciating the experience of the movie. Like, at this time,

I actually just, I was compelled immediately I picked up the remote Spud with the sheets is still the moment that I can deal with the toilet Just the length of it You know if that was five seconds You'd be like okay but like the fact that we then Were with him in the bed for a minute

And then of course the follow up scene That is so like This is based on vignettes Like that scene is like this was something That was a vignette scene But to me that is also And this is a Scottish film But it's so British

They're so fucking obsessed with You know caca poop And butts and dicks You know what I mean In that weird way where they're like such a proper country. They're so like scatological and silly. You know what I think is a weird choice?

It's maybe the only thing I'll ding boil for in this movie. And I'm wondering if I'm going to get pushback from you guys on this. Knowing who I'm talking to. No trains. Well, no, no. We'll talk about that.

Although there actually is one. There is one train. I have something to say about that Although there actually is one train I have something to say about that too When Spud passes out in the bed And Shirley Henderson She looks at his cock and she's like Let's see what I mean Excuse me I know

This is my point If I'm Danny Boyle that's a funny beat on page You get on set Bremner's like I'm good to go Here we go here's what I look like. Shows his dick. You go like, we're now framing this film.

That's not going to work. Exactly. The joke doesn't work. He's got a pretty good penis. Or you do inverse prosthetics. One of the only times in film where you make it smaller. Tuck it down.

Give him a mic. Or some kind of perspective trick. I don't know. There's something you can pull off. You just don't show the dick. His dick is really fucking good. Or whatever. You know what?

And I'm surprised. I'm like, good for Spud. And then she's saying the can pull off. You just don't show the dick. His dick is really fucking good. Or whatever. You know what? And I'm surprised. I'm like, good for Spud. And then she's saying the exact opposite thing. But maybe she's old. What the hell does she want? She's addicted to the biggest dicks in the world. And it's soft. It's soft.

It's soft. And it's foreskin, too, which can often make it look a little tucked up. David's giving a poncho from Emperor's New Groove. So, train sp group. So, train spawning. Wait, wait, wait. Can I, can I, okay, I have the gifts

for you guys. I got you guys. Oh, you said you had something. Something. I'll say it's a prize. Is it plaster cast of you and

Brenner's penis? Yeah. No, but it's come up. I mean, I should get them out. It is. Okay, so, I wanted to get you guys

something from the movie. So, I found the prop store, like an eBay store, an UK eBay store. So do you guys know why it's called Trainspotting? And there's a couple of answers to this. In the book, there's a bit where they're at a train station. Old man comes to them and goes, what are you guys doing a bit of Trainspotting? And that guy turns out to be Bagby's dad.

Is that right? Oh, really? Yeah. And apparently the scene is in T2. Oh, interesting. That's why the book is called that I read. But what's... Well, there is the whole like train spotting is like when people would just

take down the numbers of trains passing by. So train spotters are a type of British person. Uh-huh. There's that guy on TikTok now. I was going to say, you know this guy with the head camera and it's like a fisheye lens. Here I am, I'm in Edinburgh

Waverley today and there's going to be a 305 coming in and then like a train comes and he's like, oh, very good! And he switches to this like head camera where his eyes are like weirdly... It's like this overly wide lens that's mounted on a helmet on top of his face so his whole head looks like E.T.

Oh, wow. And he goes to train stations at like four o'clock in the morning. And it's like, I think it might come. I think it might come. And he's a modern day train spotter. Yes. To me, the idea of it is like, because train spotters, especially when you were in the 90s, they would be these weirdos who are standing at the front of the platform usually.

And they would kind of just be standing there alone, maybe with a little book. And they look like drug addicts. Right right because they're just kind of like standing there you know and like and also what they were doing was so obscure even to me as like a lover of trains like they would be obsessed with specific engines or whatever you know talked about this before that you really want to see this move okay we'll get to it okay well okay there's that there's several i think that there's supposedly like several reasons for the title. One of them is this prop, which I was actually able to get from this place. Oh, my God.

So these are Easter eggs. I got manila envelopes. So this prop is in one of the scenes, if you remember. And it's an Easter egg within the scene. And it's actually why the movie is called Trainspotting. So it's a pair of Hanes white underwear with train, wide fronts, to be clear, with train written on the back,

and then just a little spots of blood on the rear, right? On the seat. Yes, on the seat. One might say. What is this in the movie? They said it's in the movie and I paid 400 euros each and you just were like even though I just watched the movie yeah that's in the movie must

be in the movie right yeah it's in the movie they won't tell me like what frame but I've been told I've been told that this is in the movie. Yeah. No, I mean. And like, and these envelopes were clearly, this is the scent in the mail. These blank. They disappeared. It was, it was a courier service, an unlabeled courier service. At UK Film Props.

Yeah. I love too that they silkscreened this and this is an ironed on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was the 90s. It was a different time.

Can you believe I spent that much energy thinking about making this? Well, and also that you have an at UK Film Props written on here. Not an account that exists. I'm going to confess. Number 862. I did a swift Google. You would know. I came up with a serial number.

All right. Anyway. So much for our incredible cam. No came up with a serial number. This is a great show. It's got period spotting and it says train on it. That's some ass spotting. It could be ass spotting. They're going to go on our menagerie, our hall of blank check display.

Thank you. Thank you so much. You're such a sweetie, Charles. It's pretty expensive. David, tell the story. What? Oh, my mom? Yes. Oh, yeah.

No. This one comes out in 1996. I'm living in Brown. I'm 10 years old. And I do... I am interested in movies, but I feel like the movies I'm still rushing to see are like the Hunchback of Notre Dame, right? You know.

Great movie. What's out in 96, I'm trying to think. You know, like, what is. Dunstan checks in or is that? Oh, I checked in. With old Dunstan. There's no question. Never checked out.

And obviously, I am not seeing some of the more adult hits of 1990. Fargo. Sure. Right. Scream. Uh-huh. From Dusk Till Dawn. Sure. Now I'm looking at my list. You get to those later. And obviously I am not seeing some of the more adult hits of 1990 Fargo Sure Right Scream From Dusk Till Dawn Sure Now I'm looking at my list

You get to those later You weren't ready Yeah I wasn't ready for that I think I may have seen I saw Star Trek First Contact in theaters The movie's kind of you know intense Yeah

But there's these posters for a film called Trainspotting They are pretty much the coolest posters Yes Imaginable The advertising campaign for this movie is second to none. But obviously, the poster does not feature anyone shooting drugs into their arms. And it is called Trainspotting. And it kind of has this kind of like now arriving thing going on, right?

Like that was part of the, you know, the taglines and all that. So I'm like to my mother, like, what's this movie? Is it about trains? I have to see it. Gotta see it. And my mom like to my mother, like, what's this movie? Is it about trains? I have to see it. Gotta see it. And my mom was like, no, no, it's not. It's not about trains at all.

Like, it's not about, there's no trains in it. And I was like, what's it about? And she said, drugs. It's about people who do drugs. And I was like, what are drugs? Yes. Because I was 10.

Right. And my mom had to be like, okay, what are drugs? Like, I just remember very clearly her being like, how do I sum that up now? Yes. Like, having to, for the first, and she's like,

I don't know, it's like you smoke things that are bad for you, and I was like, Like cigarettes? Like my father smokes? And she's like, no, they're worse. I mean, arguably.

You know, like, and then she suddenly just like lost in like, you know, the criminality of drugs How criminal should they be who can say You know what a broad term it is She's clearly not about to be like I mean these guys are doing heroin which is like That's a really tough one you know like she doesn't even get into that

But I just remember her failing Completely to explain to me Why anyone would want to see this movie And what it might be about. No, I would, I mean... Because nothing about this suggests anything, really, except that there's hotties in it. That it's cool.

Right. That it's fucking cool. It's like this is a very cool movie. Right. I also, like, I had questions like, why is one of them called Sick Boy? That's not a name. And she's like, I don't know.

She didn't see it at the time, I think. No, she did see it. I remember when it got nominated for this film was nominated for one oscar best adapted screenplay yeah and i remember when it got that nomination me and my mom watching them and they were like john hodge train spotting she's like that's a cool nomination damn like she was impressed yeah that the oscars like it didn't win though right did not win i believe well who beat it? Probably lost to the English patient. I'm going to guess. No, no, no.

There's an obvious Sling Blade. That's adapted. Is that adapted? Yeah, because it's from a short. Let's see. It loses to Billy Bob. Well, you know, we love Billy Bob. We do.

And we love French fried potatoes. I don't know. It's a bunch of gibberish. That is wild. I don't know if that's your win. He beat the English patient. Among other things, train spotting. He beat The English Patient, among other things, Trainspotting.

He beat Arthur Miller for adapting The Crucible. Sure. Kind of a, you know, nomination, but whatever. And the funniest adapted screenplay nomination of all, Hamlet, Kenneth Branagh. He did not cut a single thing out of the play.

So, he basically was just like, here's what this would look like on screen. Fucking nominating Branagh. It's such, I love that movie. It is such a lazy nomination to me. Branagh being like, here's what this would look like on screen. I love fucking nominating Branagh. It's such, I love that movie. It is such a lazy nomination to me. Branagh being like, here's my adaptation. I'm not changing a thing. It was probably a slightly different,

like, typewriter font. Yeah, that's true. Year old screenplay. But he, Billy Bob that year was like, giving him screenplay was a way to also make up for not giving him actor. It was like a two in one win. He was unstoppable.

Growing up in the village of New York City, this movie was so fucking omnipresent when it came out that I thought this movie was as big as Star Wars. Because it was just like, what I now understand is like,

oh, that was a very, very savvy marketing technique that they understood they had to make this movie seem cool by like, you know, putting the posters up everywhere and promoting the soundtrack and all these things.

Soundtrack was a big part of it. I didn't understand that was them trying to get people excited about this movie. I was like, this is the biggest hit film of all time. And I would see that poster which just looked so cool.

Anytime my parents went to see a movie and they come back home and I'd be awake, you know, like they'd go out for a movie night and I should have been asleep and I'm an insomniac as a child, but also... Your parents are in love, man. They haven't had dates left and right. Decades ago. But, um...

I'd always just stay awake for them to tell me what the movie was about. Because I just wanted to hear about these cool adult movies I couldn't go to. And that was one where I was just like, and why is this watchable sure you know it's like when you're on paper and it's not there's no plot yeah and you're like what's it about you're like it's just about drug dealers drug addicts and their lives and you're like you told me they're bad yeah yeah you say those are the people we should cross the street to stay away from you just went and watched

a movie about them I mean a lot of them are. Like, I've never loved kids because I just feel, I just feel bad watching kids. So I'm like, I understand what's impressive or artistic about it, but at the same time, like, Trainspotting

is the opposite of that. Like, I'm on a great ride the whole time. There's an interview with Boyle on the special features from when they were shooting this movie.

So not even knowing the legacy or how it was going to land or any this movie. So not even knowing the legacy or how it was going to land or any of that. Where he said, the big challenge for me was, you know, there's so much like war on drugs stuff going on. It'd be very easy to make a sort of polemic film, a Christian F sort of tragic basketball diaries. He said the whole thing he didn't want to make.

And he said, I think if you're going to make a movie about drugs, you have to acknowledge that these drugs are pretty fantastic right like he's like there's a reason people take them right but there's this thing breaks all the rules about drug movies i feel like yeah it starts with them being like we're done we're not gonna fucking do this shit anymore it sucks yeah like it's 20 minutes of that self-loathing yeah like and but yeah and it no it pretty you're right Represents the pure pleasure of it to what's up? What's up? Well, what's up? David is that um, I mean I think that it's also because not to like skip around like the biggest

picture points but like It's cuz it's one of the few like you think about like Requiem for a dream and it's like I mean that movie is About drugs, you know like a lot of movies about drugs are about drugs. And like when I was watching stuff about the campaign for this movie, it's like they really emphasized this is a movie about heroin. So that it would be like polarizing and like all the sensational stuff.

But it's like, it's not that the core like themes and messages as I was like watching it as an adult this time, I was like, this movie seizes you because it's like truly existential. Like this movie is really profound. It's about like a sort of provocative nihilism about systems and about like how... Mid-90s, when everyone's like, is history over? Why are we all just fucking buying stuff? Living our boring lives? What are we gonna do with ourselves?

It's a cut above that too, because it's even... It's somehow more timeless than a gen x thing that's sort of like everything sucks because then like danny boyle comes in and he makes it joyful and he makes it fun and the ending and i don't want to just like cut right to the ending but like the sentiment the sentimentality of the ending is so complicated. It ends in this way that it's like, this is such a complicated movie. And it's about working inside of a system that you can't get out of. And the options within that system. And like, the freedom that you can attain isn't a freedom outside of the system.

It's a freedom of giving in to a part of the system, which is, like, really hard. Like, it's really hard to, like, process that and, like, accept how many balls it's juggling thematically at the same time. It's amazing. It's not just, like, we're selling out. No, not at all.

I'm a sellout, right? It's, like, the 90s. This system fucks me over, so I'll fuck people over, and now I'm free. But I'm not free. But it's okay. You know, like... Well, I, and now I'm free. But I'm not free. But it's okay. You know, like... Well, I am free, but it's...

But no one's free. It's limiting, and I can't... Right, you know, I can't do this for very long without possibly dying or being imprisoned. But I feel alive by cooperating with, like, an oppressive aspect of the system and reacting to it. Let's crack open the dossier. I can't do that. I don't have that.

David! I just want to point out in 1999, the BFI did sort of like its version of the AFI's top 100, and this film was 10th. 1999, so only three years after the film came out. And the other movies in the top 10 are like what you would expect. Like Third Man,

Brief Encounter, Launcher, 39 Steps, Great Accretions. That's 20th. But you know, it's just all... like, what you would expect. Like, third man, brief encounter, launch hurry, 39 steps, great expectations. That's 20th. But, you know, like, it's just all... Don't look... Sorry, the red shoes is the... Oh, okay. The Pal and Presbyterian.

But, like, you know, British classics. And, like, in 99... In 96, 99, it was like, yeah, Trainspotting. Right. That's, like, that's as totemic. Well, because, like...

That's how it felt in Britain. The AFI list. Yeah. When they do the AFI list. Yeah. When they do the AFI list in 99 or 2000, whatever it is, and they put Schindler's List in the top 10,

and that's like, oh, this is the one modern recent film that they're immediately elevating to that level. That's a movie about the Holocaust by the man

who is the most established director in America at that point. In a prestige tone. That's a safe bet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Comfortable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trainspotting So yes It's based on The debut novel of Irvin Welsh That was published in 1993 Which sounds like Ben has read I have read It's been a million years

Charles listened to the audio book Yeah I can't I can't do this I can't claim I read it It's got that cool cover To me an iconic cover Show me the cover again

Skull Skull based cover I think it's two skull masks Two guys wearing skull masks It's got that cool cover. To me, an iconic cover. Show me the cover again. Skull? Skull-based cover. I think it's two skull masks. Two guys wearing skull masks. It's so scary. Oh, right. It was one of those classic, kind of like the Exorcist book cover

where it was like you would see it in a house and be like, what is that? And it is sort of famously written and like mostly in like Scott's dialect. So it's like kind of impenetrable. Very. But very cool.

Similar to Clockwork Orange. Right. It has a glossary even, you know, at the back that you have to refer to to understand a lot of the slang. And when I was a kid, well, by the time I was a teenager, Trainspotting was just like ingrained in British culture.

But like, it still was a cool thing to read. Cool thing to read Trainspotting, you know. I don't think I had it. I don't think I knew about it. Well, I grew up... Irvin Welsh is kind of a celebrity. He was just around. My David origin story is I grew up in Mexico,

and I think that that movie maybe didn't make it. Sure. I think it maybe didn't make it. Scottish heroin addict. Yeah, I think we maybe didn't get it. Did Trainspotting even come out in Mexico? It probably came out. I missed them because I definitely saw Scream.

You know, there were movies of that year I saw. I didn't realize it was Welsh in the movie. Yes, he's the panicked drug buyer. Right, he's the guy who gives them the suppository. He's making choices. He's really good. He is, yeah. I thought it was Anthony Held for a second.

He looks kind of similar. He's funny. He has a weird vibe. Look, IMDb says it wasn't released in Mexico until 2016. Okay. Wow. Like when they did

like a re-release. A brand new, I guess probably in advance of the sequel. Yeah. Anyway. Oh, sure. That makes sense.

So Irvin Welsh writes this book. He actually sells the rights to Nolge, which is the production company that makes Griffin's favorite show, Red Dwarf,

a classic British sitcom about life on a spaceship. Yes. Hard to describe, but Red Dwarf. And then... The last four on a spaceship. Yes. Hard to describe, but a dwarf. And then... The Last Four Survivors. Of...

A robot, two people who hit each other, and a stylish cat man. Correct. Yeah, it's a great show. And they love curry. Yes. And, yeah, anyway. But then he catches wind that, like, the triumvirate of British cinematic cool who just made a movie called Shallow Grave, Danny Boyle, John Hodge, and Andrew McDonald.

Yeah. The producer. Everyone's, in all the interviews, they're talking about these three. Yeah. They were kind of like this package. And especially because, like, it is so hard to overstate how fucking uncool Britain had been for 25 years, basically. Right? Yeah.

And, like, then in the 90s, right when I'm arriving, right? Well, one might say, coincidence? But right in the 90s right when i'm arriving right well one might say coincidence right in the mid 90s it's like whoa britain's cool again right like you're not making shirley valentine you're making like uh right exactly exactly like it's not like britain isn't making things that are culturally important but they're chariots of fire yeah well there's that but it's or it's the smiths where it's like you know i love them but like they're chariots of fire Or it's the Smiths where it's like You know I love them And they are cool but like they're not like You know they're miserable

I mean I love them but they make you feel melancholy That could be cool I mean there's punk music obviously That's our big you know It makes the UK look so cool This movie is like Oh my god the fantasy of like the 90s And like the clubbiness and like

everyone's horny and dirty oh yeah that those like those early days uh so much but that like early like or just all the house parties like the dance parties that they're portraying in this movie i'm so nostalgic for that man just like early rave and like techno culture yeah we didn't really even have i think that same thing in america it's very different but i feel like our age group had some little full circle like that like early 2000s hipster like 2007 i was like there's like a uh spud outfit when they go like walking through and he's wearing like a vertical stripes and like skinny jeans and i'm just like i absolutely was wearing that when i was like i thought i had invented it but i i realized watching this and i like this movie a

lot as i when i watched as a teenager but i didn't think of it as like a seminal impact movie for me i realized there was absolutely year of high school where i was trying to look like mcgregor in this movie there were you're a petite boy. Undersized T's. Yeah. Skeletal, super pale shaved head. I like had the exact same look. And I think part of it was me recognizing, oh, this guy also has zero body fat.

Yeah, I can play this card. Looks like a ghoul. I should try to do the other elements. And I never looked as good as him. You were a converse guy too, right? I mean, I feel like you've always kind of sort of been a converse Excuse me, I was also a converse Get the fuck out of here

Yeah, but see, I wanted to look like you I was this big galoot Sure And I was like, I wish I could like shop at like the women's aisle in Topshop That's what I would do, I would buy I wanted to look like you And Bim wanted to look like me This is the whole thing about body positivity, guys Yeah, that's all But I'm serious But like, but yeah, I wanted to look like you. And Bim wanted to look like me. This is the whole thing about body positivity, guys.

Yeah. But I'm serious. But yeah, I wanted to be like Waiflike because my best friend was this Waiflike boy and everything fit him and I was like,

he's so fucking cool. No, I'd buy like vintage children's t-shirts with the stretched out collars. It's the exact look he has for the first half of this movie. The fashion in this, man. But I look bad.

I want to make it clear. I look bad. I didn't pull it off. He looks incredible. I bet you were a cut. But I look bad. I want to make it clear. I look bad. I didn't pull it off. He looks incredible. You look sick. I bet you were a cutie. I bet you were a cutie. It took some time. But that was around the same time. That was like early,

mid-2000s. I do feel like there was a processing of... But it was more of an affectation. Yeah. Rather than that being an organic sort of movement. You obviously have the Chloe Sevigny kids, Harmony Corrine, thrift shop, New York style. But it does feel like there was a point in like 2004 where New York became a little train spotting-y.

The strokes kind of come to mind maybe as like an example to point to of like sort of having a similar fashion sense. All the, whatchamacallit, meet me in the bathroom. Yeah. Well, it's that sort of, like, post-punk thing where, like, it's a little bit mod, but it's also a little bit new wave. And then it's also, like, kind of EDM, like, mid-90s.

And then we did it again for our generation, like, in 2007, where we were being, like, hipsters with that and mod stuff. And then now it doesn't really exist. It's not really... But rock and roll doesn't exist. Now it's like curated

because, you know, TikTok and like Gen Z kids are like trying to like... Modern culture is a fetid pit. Well, and it's also just like white people have had enough time in the cool spot. Yeah.

That's also true. Put them out. Time to move on. These are Scottish people. Yes. A very unusual breed. I mean, that monologue Hugh McGregor gives

of the lowest of the low. I said this before you were here. That monologue, any Scottish person can recite that. It's so good. It's the best, that monologue.

Lowest of the low. I get fucked it up. I went to Billy Connolly on that one. Go on, David. He'd be fun in this one. Yeah, he'd be great. He could be Mother Spirit.

I mean, it's so funny how that monologue, like, they just don't go up the mountain. Like, Tommy's like, let be fun in this one. Yeah, he'd be great. He could be Mother Spirit. I mean, it's so funny how that monologue, like, they just don't go up the mountain. Like, Tommy's like, let's go up this mountain. And then he, like, gives that monologue. He's like, fine, let's just go home. I want to talk about the train station.

This is so, also, I mean, speaking of complicated about friend dynamics, I mean, like, growing up, I had a group of friends that I feel like I related. Wow. That I related to this group of friends that I feel like I related Wow. That I related to this group of friends

and that we kind of all didn't really like each other and were kind of mean to each other. But I also loved each other. You were all kind of sick of each other. Yeah. And we were all kind of stuck with each other is almost kind of the way it felt.

Yeah, yeah. Well, it's that thing too of like when you're growing up with people like you don't realize that your friends at the time like have personality disorders. Right. That they, like, when you're growing up with people, like, you don't realize that your friends at the time, like, have personality disorders. Right. That they're, like, actually, like, very deeply fucked up people.

But, like, those are the options you have. Absolutely. And then you become completely enmeshed with them. And then looking back, you're like, that person was literally a sociopath. And they were my best friend. Or sometimes you might even have the experience where you see them later in life. And they're like, I was the worst. Yeah.

I was, like, really messed up. I was the problem. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like i was the worst yeah i was like really i was the problem yeah yeah and you're like i guess you were yeah did you go like why does tommy hang out with junkies why why do any of them hang out with well why does anyone hang out with beg me is the big one that is a guy where i'm like i might cut him out of my i guess he would just find me yeah i think they can't get rid of him like Like, he's just like, these are my, the only people I can hang out with are like these extreme addicts. Right. Right.

They're the only people who actually tolerate me. Yeah. All right. So, Irvin Welch sees Shallow Grave. Okay. And he's like,

fuck, like, that's the energy I want. Like, this is awesome. It's sort of a British Mean Streets moment. Absolutely.

Right? Where it's like, oh my God, here's this exciting new star, this exciting new director. These guys are going to do big things. And so Danny Boyle and Andrew McDonald and John Hodge approach him.

Apparently, Danny Boyle wrote him a letter and he called John Hodge and Andrew McDonald the two most important Scotsmen since Kenny Douglish and Alex Ferguson, which is really funny. David Boyle's that mean? They're two football guys, a football player and a football manager. Okay. But I just like that he was like, Boyle was clearly like, look, I'm not

Scottish. I get it. I get it. But before you get mad at me, these two guys are so fucking Scottish. So, like, they're not gonna mess that up. I promise. Like, we'll have the gestalt of, like, you know, working class Scottish life. And then the way Irvin Welsh puts it is he, like, you know, working class Scottish life. And then the way Irvin Welsh puts it is he like reads the screenplay.

And I think for Shallow Grave, he like reads Sean Hodge's screenplay for Shallow Grave and says, there's nothing I can teach this guy about screenwriting. I'm just going to get out of the way. Like, this seems fine. John Hodge and Andrew McDonald could be in the movie. Like, John Hodge looks like Sick Boy And Andrew McDonald looks like Spud They kind of are those guys John Hodge is a cutie

And he seems gay Like I was looking at interviews with him I can't find it because no one is Interested in putting that on Google We're asking John Hodge, get in touch We'll talk about him plenty because he made many movies John H asking John Hodge, get in touch We'll talk about him plenty Because he made many movies

John Hodge from the past, get in touch Well, fine Geez, damn John Hodge from the present, read for full No, he's actually kind of cute But what am I going to do? Marry that man? No

Maybe he could Don't question it And Andrew McDonald's brother, of course, is Kevin McDonald Who you may know He's a fairly big documentary director Who is also the brother of Kelly McDonald Really? No, no, they're not related to her because they talk about they found her out of nowhere Why did I think Kelly McDonald and Kevin McDonald were I didn't think her and Andrew McDonald were related

That's why but they are the heirs to McDonald. They are the heirs to the other thing Is they are believe the grandchildren of a little guy called Emmerich Pressburger. Ever heard of him? Okay. But, yeah. I think Kevin was specifically related to Kelly. Okay. Yes, Kevin did Last King of Scotland.

Yeah, exactly. He did a lot of documentaries. Right. He was the big documentary one day in September, Touching the Void. And then he switched to fiction films. And I feel like he was less good at those. Although, Last King of Scotland's alright. Last King of Scotland's a good movie. What did he do recently?

The Mauritanian. Right. A movie that absolutely exists. Yeah, right. It's a lot of stuff like that. And he does a lot of documentaries where, no offense, it feels like he's kind of doing it for money.

Like he did the Whitney Houston documentary. I think he did an Oasis documentary. No. There's something else about Oasis i don't know it doesn't matter anyway it doesn't matter these guys are all on board uh well i think they they first read the book when they're making shallow grave and they're just like this is like a brilliant youthful thing like this is perfect for us and uh they had to pry the rights away from Nolgay. Okay. The publisher? Yeah.

The people who initially, he initially sold them to. And it was one of those kind of things where like, well, we didn't have any plans for this, but you're interested? Sure. Money, please? The other thing is that Scott Rudin was circling them post-Shallow Grave, which makes sense. That was always his move. He'd wait for someone to make the one movie on their own, and he'd come

in and be like, I will fight all your fights for you. He was like, what do you want to make? I'll help. You know, like, he's sniffing around. One said Weinstein got it. Here, at least. Well, that's true. Yeah, Miramax does pick it up. But it's not made by Miramax. It's made by Channel 4, which is a British TV

channel. News station. I mean, they do have news. Local news. No by Channel 4, which is a British TV channel. News station. I mean, they do have news. Yeah. Local news. No, Channel 4 in Britain, especially in the 90s, that was the cool channel. Okay. It was the BBC.

You had four channels. There were only four channels. I'm not joking. Go on. There's BBC One. That's the big one. BBC Two. Roku.

Then BBC Two. Freeview. BBC. Freeview. No, BBC Two, which was like the other BBC channel But it was a little more fun Like Buffy was on BBC 2 And then ITV which was the first private channel

And then in the 80s They were like we should have a second private channel It's getting a little boring Just these two channels BBC ITV So they bring in Channel 4 and Channel 4 was cool Channel 4 had like cool alternative stuff Now the Ming TT song BBC. I know.

BBC 1, BBC 2, BBC 3, BBC 4, BBC 5, BBC 6, BBC 7, BBC Heaven. Right. Which if you count, it's actually eight total channels. Right. They did actually add three and four later when cable came around. And when did BBC Heaven come around? It's still in the works. And now is it just like BBC streaming

platform? Well, now I don't even know what it is now, but like, you know, they've all got, yeah, I mean BBC Plus, BBC Max. They've all got all that shit. But, you know, when I was a kid and I remember I moved to England and in America I had cable. I was used to many channels. Sure. And I was like, I only have four fucking channels. What is this? You go one,

two, three, four, and I'm like, five's coming up and you go right back down to one. Why? What do you mean, why? Why do they only have four channels? Well, it's no different than, like, ABC, NBC, Fox. You know what I mean? It was just, like, the networks. Sure. That was it, though. And if you got a fucking

satellite dish, you could get Sky. Well, I guess they weren't producing as much as the States, probably, and then they didn't have, like, international acquisition money. In the 90s, they start to show American TV more and more. But, like, Seinfeld would be on at, like, 1135. Yeah. And, like, there would be these ads on British TV,

like, do you know what the most popular American show is? And it'd be like, you know, is it ER? No. And they'd be like, it's Seinfeld. Anyway, fucking stay up late if you want to watch it. You have to remember, Ben, also that like half of the TV made in the UK is made by the government. Yeah. So it's not. You have to pay a fee to own a television in Britain.

A yearly fee. I thought it was just that you would pay some taxes towards the production of all this stuff. That's how it works. You pay a license fee every year. You pay money to the government to own a TV that can receive television. If you want to be one of those I don't even own a TV people, then they go fine.

Then you don't have to pay for our TV shows that we the government make. But they're basically saying if you have one, you got to pony up. When I was in college, I had a TV in my room In my dorm But I didn't plug in the antenna So it didn't receive television

I only used it to watch DVDs And I could have plugged in TV And watched I could have plugged in my TV and watched Like the BBC But they might have found me And they would do these ads Where they were like, we're watching.

If you don't pay your license fee, knock, knock. Who's there? It's like Brazil. I mean, like, it's just, that's the vibe. Wow. But that's why, like, when the BBC shows something you object to, you can, like, call the government and be like, I don't like that.

Yeah. I didn't like that you did that. I paid for that. My money paid for this rather than David Zaslav paying for it. And there's no ads. BBC has no ads. And there's more nudity. I mean, Britain's got lots of nudity. There's no doubt about that, including

trainspotting. Yeah. Plenty of dicks. Hell yeah. At least two. Good dicks. Good dicks. The thing they kept on saying in these interviews, obviously, we're not going to make it shortcuts. They kept on using shortcuts as the reference point, I guess because they've been pretty recent successful. Very recent. This is not what we're trying to do. We're going to make it shortcuts. They kept on using shortcuts as the reference point, I guess because that had been pretty recent, successful.

Very recent, early on. This is not what we're trying to do. We're going to streamline it. It's from Renton's perspective. Boyle's big thing of like, we have to show what's fun about these drugs. This can't be like an anti-drug screed. You need to show the highs of their life.

Otherwise, the thing doesn't make sense. It can be fun at times. The movie needs to be fun at times. But the other thing he said was the three of them made what he referred to as a blood pact that the movie had to be 90 minutes. And he was just like,

conceptually... More people should do that. Yeah, he was just like, the energy of this film will not be able to sustain for over 90 minutes. If we start like this, if we hit the ground running,

and audiences, it just doesn't matter if the scenes are good. At a certain point, they're going to get burnt out. They won't want to spend more time with these characters in this world. And there were a lot of good deleted scenes, and he just kept on saying, like, the only reason we cut the scene is because we had to hit 90 minutes.

And you watch them, the scenes are really good on their own. They're mostly about the other characters, and he was like, look, streamlining, focus on Renton, whatever. But the 90-minute blood pack thing was maybe the single smartest move they made. It's a strange but great structure, too. Like, it's really... And I love a lot of movies where now, as a writer, I'm like, I can't... I'm like, no, everything has to serve a greater purpose of the story and whatever.

I've just become brainwashed by trying to, like, be hard on myself. But then you watch movies like this, and it's like, this is really just about, like, setting a world, like, setting a stage, exploring characters. And, I mean, what it is doing is, like, it does increase the stakes on some level emotionally

to, like, see Rince go through all this stuff. So then by the time you're ready for him to get sober again and like clean up, you're like invested in it. That's really all it is though. And besides that, it's just sort of like, yeah, you could actually cut like everything except for the last act, you know?

Like, and it would, that would be your story. If I submitted this script to anyone in Hollywood, they would be like, this isn't, this isn't like this. Like, this is insane. But that's why Danny Boyle's an incredible director. Like, it's like the direction of this movie glues what could be not a great movie together. But I'd also just feel like

the sort of crucial point post-Shallow Grave is like Hollywood is like, the door's open. Yeah. Come here now. Yes. Right? And they're like, I don't know.

And like Andrew McDonnell, no, no, Boyle says he had like a phone call with Sharon Stone, who's like, you you know hot shit in 1994 yeah and she's like i loved shallow grave like do you want to make a movie with me and danny boyle as he puts is like i didn't really know how to behave uh about this stuff but then he reads train spawning he's like no i want to do this like but i just feel like it's like they're all like let's not do some hollywood project let's make a one million pound movie about heroin addicts in Scotland.

Obviously, the book was a big deal. Not like a number one bestseller. Not the Bible. Not the Bible. And they were thinking about doing the Bible. They were. Follow up to shallow grief. Well, how did it take? 90 minute blood pack.

If you spend more than a minute in the Bible. Yeah, maybe I'll run around the Bible. The book blazes with honesty. It's compelling. It's disturbing. It's revolting, but you want to continue with it. It takes this group of people

who've been sidelined. You're still talking about the Bible. Yeah, exactly. This is Danny Boyle talking about the story of Adam and Eve and Job and all those fuckers. It takes this group of people who've been sidelined.

And we all do it. We all sideline junkies as something lower than human. It smashes them straight back into your field of vision. And it says, consider them as human beings. So, you know, Danny Boyle. That's what he's getting at there. It is funny.

I mean, the thing you're talking about of Danny Boyle, like, okay, here you go, indie breakout movie. Hollywood comes calling. Sharon Stone is offering you a 40 or 50 million dollar movie and he's like let me slow my breaks let me stay in this before i jump over to hollywood and now that same decision is like you make a first movie for one eighth of what this movie cost and the second movie they offer you is a 200 million dollar movie right like the leap is so much greater now and it's still but but also it is like

unfortunately rare that someone does the danny boyle move of like i should stay in this pocket for a little longer i don't need to make the jump yet i should keep doing what i'm doing when he does make the jump he struggles but well yeah i mean not strong for a while though yeah yeah uh some weird movies as ervin welsh puts it to meinspotting is not a drug film It's about the vibrancy of youth About how people adapt to changing circumstances Do you think I'm young? In a world where drugs have replaced employment You're younger than me, so you're young

I think you're younger than me Yeah, of course, you're the vibrancy of youth Written all over you And Irvin Welsh is like My writing is about how drugs have become unremarkable Like drugs and drink have become less recreational, more just a way of life, because people have fuck all else to do.

And, you know, they make this movie, but they're just very, like you're saying, Griffin, like, they're very intent on, like, this does not need to be hard-hitting realism, and this does not need to be brutally depressing, as much as it will be about brutally depressing things. It needs to be fun. It needs to be fun and watchable.

It's constantly fun. It is making a choice. It's making like a million choices every second. It just makes you feel like, I should make more choices. When you take drugs, you have a fucking great time, says Danny Boyle, unless you're unlucky. Look, I don't like every one of Danny Boyle's movies, although I do

overall like his filmography. But the thing about him, even in his worst films, is you get the sense he does not take any decision for granted. No. Right? Right, yeah.

There's never just a bait. What's the normal, obvious way to just get this scene done? There's so much deliberate thought put into every shot set up, every sequence. It reminds me a little bit of, it's weird to compare about Baz Luhrmann.

Like watching Elvis, I was like, you know, I don't even know if I like this movie or don't like this movie. All I know is that I'm watching someone make as many choices as possible. And there is not just like, you know, you're like,

people don't make a lot of choices nowadays It's better to make them than not And a lot of Danny Boyle movies He can get tacky He can do stuff where suddenly Everything's sped up He's not afraid of tackiness And sometimes it works for him And sometimes maybe he works for him

And he's got a little bit of that English straight boy thing That I don't mind being racist to that country um but like you know that's sort of like we're gonna fucking take it there then it's like okay you know just like shut up like you're so proud of it but that's how british people think about americans but yes go on but there's that we're gonna fucking take it there all right but you know what i mean like you are british people look i love british people whatever but also like the sort of like the the being proud of how sensational you are you know is like your face it's just so it's so straight you know and like it's a straight boy especially

the flavor of that and so like but he counters it it with a je ne sais quoi that makes it work sure and in this movie too it's like the sort of there's an art boy thing in it that is really fun like i'm just like everything is the colors are like green red and lavender that's crazy like but it works so well like every apartment looks like a franc Bacon painting. Totally. And it is also, you mentioned already, but like the way they dress is like, it looks like they don't have any money, but they look really cool and interesting. And they have so many clothes.

And they have so many clothes. No one is ever repeating something. But it feels like they're just raiding vintage shops for no money, and they're getting all these weird like 60s and 70s items and like matching them around. Like, right? There's that thing that I just saw. The girls look more normal. Like the girls wear like partys and 70s items and like matching them around like right like that thing that I just saw

girls look more normal like girls wear like party dresses which I kind of because they're not as fucked up as the they're not as fucked up but there is that I mean I'm of two minds because I would there's a part of me that like you know as a gay boy like always wanted the like girl action figures to be just as cool as the boy ones or be like wait why is it

a girl action figure in this movie is really worth her yeah well Kelly McDonald is just opening and closing the sheets as the boy ones or be like, wait, why is that the girl one? The Shirley Henderson action figure in this movie is really worth her. Yeah. Well, Kelly MacDonald is like, She's just opening and closing the sheets. The Kelly MacDonald is as like, ready-baked

as in, is the most ready-baked of, but like, she even kind of drops off like in, She does. Like by the end, you're kind of like,

oh, I could have had a little bit more of her flavor. They cut, they cut, they cut her stuff. Because she's a fun, she's got a fun thing going too, by the end, you're kind of like, oh, I could have had a little bit more of her flavor. They cut several scenes. Because she's a fun... She's got a fun thing going, too. But the woman who loses the baby...

Fiona Bell is the actress. Fiona Bell. She's great. She's really good. But there is a part of me that's like... But imagine, like, in, you know, some English Annie Potts character actor, like, in some sort of Cyndi Lauper-y.

Sure. You know like If she had been just as fun and flavorful Like I kind of would have been more Into the groove of that you know but Whatever I get that everyone has to be Sort of like a grounded counterpoint It's a very boy movie and like

All my friends who loved it were Well maybe that's not true actually but you know So it was this big boy movie I was gonna say I just saw the All the beauty in the bloodshed. And there's the part in that where Nan Gold is talking about, like, living in an apartment in Alphabet City with, like, 18 other artists and, like, multiple drag queens, most of whom are doing dope day and night. Right.

And she said, like, every single day we went to Goodwill. Right, right, right. There's always going to be new shit. Like, that was the priority every day. Because you want to be glamorous and you have no money. Yeah. I mean, to me, the biggest challenge

if I'm fucking Danny Boyle and it's the fucking 90s and he talks about this, it's like heroin is a boring drug and that it makes you want to go to sleep. Like, so like, how do you represent, like it's like, and he's saying like, this was ecstasy's era in Britain.

Like, that is the drugs people were doing, like, in the mid-90s. Everyone's doing MDMA and, you know, got a glow stick, right? The listener at home, David, is doing such a cool dance. That's really beautiful. And, like, obviously, there's tons of coke movies, but, like, heroin movies tend to be sleepy and depressing. Yeah. And this movie kind of feels more like Coke and Ecstasy Than it does heroin

Right Actually But they are doing heroin It's got It's more of a roller coaster Than heroin probably feels like But I feel like Danny Boyle's just like

I'm just gonna ignore that vibe And I'm gonna make this zippy movie Yeah And they are self-destructive Doing heroin is a very Self-destructive thing to do And so No no right

You're right You should just do it But like so like It's like I mean The first shot of the movie Is Renton getting run over. Yeah. Looking at the car and just looking with, like, manic glee.

It's manic, yeah. And then, of course, when you cut back to that moment an hour later, you're like, oh, he's completely fucking lost it. Like, he's, like, he's so at the bottom. But, like, when you're watching it for the first time, you're like, yeah, he doesn't give a shit. He's just running. The other thing I love about that opening is just the like the silence you know studio logos whatever and then the song

kicks in on their feet on the sidewalk running full speed and it feels like that thing where you're just walking down the street of New York City

and then something insane happens around you like the the vague veneer of calm is interrupted by two people getting in a fist fight on the corner or something it's so trite

but the first time I saw Pulp Fiction and they're having that conversation and then, like, they pick up their guns and the music starts and like,

when I was 14, whenever I saw it, I was just like, you know, like, you're like jolted up in your seat and the transplant is the exact same thing.

It's just a cattle prod thing. You're just like, holy shit. I think Run, Lola, Run has a similar kind of opening, right? Run, Lola, Run, I just rewatched.

Yes, it does. Fucking so good. I should rewatch has a similar kind of opening, right? Run, Lola, Run, I just rewatched. Yes, it does. Fucking so good. I should rewatch it. I want to rewatch it. She's running. That's a cousin. That's a cousin of this movie. Oh, yes.

Yeah, yeah. That's sick for going, can we do the opening of Trainspotting for the entire movie? Right. I feel like that's why it became regarded as trite and it is a little trite because it is kind of like an echo echo of those movies right it's like

a little few years later it's like they just copied russian doll too so that's true they totally ripped off russian doll yes um no but uh but you know it's fun to your point about heroin i feel like they they did take that into consideration though because then when they go when ewan mcgregor goes to the club later he's talking about how the drugs have changed the people have changed but you're supposed to still kind of feel like everyone is getting more plastic. But if you do heroin, you're tapping into something a little bit more

existential and internal than the drugs that we're doing now. And you are on the outside of society. Yeah, totally. If you're doing ecstasy every week at a club, it's like you can fucking go to work. Yeah, exactly. But they know deep cut shit too because there's that moment where they're listing off

all the prescription drugs and like, you know, when they're like stealing a TV from a retirement home. Like they're listing off names like, you know, 20 different pharmaceuticals.

So it's like, they are in drug culture. Yeah. And the whole line about the mom and like how the mom does, you know, in her own domesticated way is also like

a socially acceptable drug addict. She's doing Valium. It's like you can either do drugs or you can do consumerism. That's like what the movie is saying. And there's actually nothing else. Like life has given you nothing else. Or drink constantly all the time

in a way that's sort of insane. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, everyone, the parents are so accepting in this movie time in a way that's sort of I put that in the drugs. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, everyone, the parents are so accepting in this movie in a way of like what their children are doing around them, like where you're

like, what the fuck is going on? I don't want to paint Scotland with a broad brush, but everyone who lives there isn't a drunken stupor at all times. Well, that's the whole world and they eat just like deep

fried food all day. It has the I believe it has the lowest, like... I think I should look that up. You know this, and I don't think I'm talking out of school here. David, you can fact-check this. But I believe this is true. Literally every single person in Scotland is groundskeeper Willie. That's true.

Yeah, and that is true. And I'm just saying that... That's what was groundbreaking about this movie. For the culture of... Because they stopped being that. Yes. It's a beautiful, beautiful country. It's a wonderful country.

It's like my favorite part of the United States. It's just really in different outfits. Like, there's like a Willie policeman. There's little baby Willys. When baby Willie dies. Oh, it's sad. It's really sad. Well, I feel like they're saying it's either...

I'm sorry, David. I know you're on a track. I'm on a track. I've got this dossier. I know, I know, I know like they're saying it's either... I'm sorry, David. I know you're on a track. I'm on a track. I've got this dossier. I know, I know, I know. But I do feel like the movie is saying there's a binary to life. The way that life,

the ideologies and humanity is structured is you can either be a consumer or you can be a drug addict. And being a drug addict is bohemia. And being a consumer is like... You're still a consumer, of course. You're still... Yeah, but at least being a drug addict is bohemia and being a consumer is like you're still a consumer of course but at least being a drug addict

means that you are seeing through the curtain of the illusion you're seeing through the illusion of life that's his whole argument choose life as a statement is choose the thing that is purely about experiencing life in that moment right like doing drugs that's a

visceral thing but I just love that this movie... It's profound. This movie is simultaneously incredibly exciting to watch, very funny, busy, but also,

it is about how it is very boring being a drug addict. It's the... Being alive. That being alive is boring. That, like, being a human is

just this, like, cyclical trap, basically. Yeah. There was that thing where, when this movie came out, it's the peak war on drugs in America. Sure, a little bit.ical trap, basically. Yeah. There was that thing where when this movie came out, it's the peak war on drugs in America. Sure, a little bit.

I mean, Bob Dole was like publicly condemning this movie and saying like, I can't believe there's this movie and they look cool and the kids and they got their music or whatever. And then he did like four or five different public interviews about this

and then finally revealed that he hadn't seen the movie, right? Sure. Hard to imagine Bob Dole watching Drain. Of course. But I'm like, yeah. Maybe he saw it in Mexico in 2016. Yeah, he probably caught it then.

If you hear this thing as a best-selling soundtrack and everyone looks so cool and hot in the poster and everyone's saying like this movie is so much fun. Yeah. Bob Dole goes like, so what? It's a commercial for heroin that makes heroin look great? I don't think your takeaway from this movie is No. Gotta try heroin. No, no. It balances the two things out. goes like, so what, it's a commercial for heroin that makes heroin look great? I don't think your takeaway from this movie is, gotta

try heroin. No, no. It balances the two things out. It's like the point of Boyle's trying to get it. It's how the movie gets away with it. There's a reason people do it in the first place. Yeah, right. I mean, I always think of that movie Beautiful Boy, which is bad in my opinion. But like, there's that moment in Beautiful Boy where he talks to his dad.

Yeah. The Steve Carell movie? Steve Carell and Timothee Chalamet. Timothee Chalamet. Timothee Chalamet. Timothee Chalamet. And he's like, Dad, I'm doing heroin. And Steve Carell's like, you shouldn't do heroin. He's like, but... And I'm like, there's no... Very bad, no good, don't do it. There's no more to the but. He's like, no, you don't understand. It's really like...

I'm really enjoying literature with it. It's something you can say. You can't just sort of be like, ah, come on, Dad. Heroin's fine. You didn't listen to the Wes Bentley WTF, did you? say. You can't just sort of be like, ah, come on, Dad. Like, heroin's fine. You know. You didn't listen to the Wes Bentley WTF, did you? I'm getting deep back into WTF and texting you when I listen to good episodes. But the Wes Bentley one's

really good. Unsurprisingly, on a podcast hosted by Marc Maron, most of the Wes Bentley one is about drug addiction and them talking about getting over their stuff. Maron didn't have thirst for Hunger Games behind-the the scenes gossip. Truly does not come up one time. I can't imagine it would.

It's great because you're like, that's the only interviewer who would not mention it once. But Bentley insists, and listening to it in full, I'm inclined to believe him that he never enjoyed heroin.

That he like... Maren was like, well, no, but of course it's the thing and he tried the first time. It's amazing. And after that, it's terrible every time. And he was like, well, no, but of course it's the thing and he tried the first time. It's amazing. And after that, it's terrible every time.

And he was like, even the first time I didn't like it. He was like, it never worked for me. It truly was just like self-destructive pattern. There were other drugs

I enjoyed taking. By the time I hit heroin, I never got any high out of it. But like Meron won't stop interrogating that because he's like, that's impossible. If heroin wasn't that good the first time, no one would take it.

If it wasn't that good for the first stretch, no one would take it. And Bentley's like, yeah, I don't know. I guess I'm anomaly. My brain's weird. Whatever. It doesn't take. But this movie understands it's like, right. There has to be like radical highs to this thing.

There have to be these ecstatic sort of moments. I mean, the way that they're acting when they take it is like, it's like horny and like heaven. The kiss. The kiss at the beginning. Very nice at the beginning there. Obviously, especially,

you know, Renton is very androgynous in general as well. He's kind of this like... They kind of all are, which is, you know, that's the part that

is just, I mean, and also like, you know, everyone, like all European men,... I mean, it's... And also, like, you know, everyone... Like, all European men. The sort of, like, biromantic aspect of, like, masculinity in every other country that's, like, coded and confused, but still... We all went to boys' school.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know where we went to school, but I went to a boys' school. Well, and then also Begbie is, like... Well, but the scene... So, he's, like, maybe gay. You know what I mean? Well, 100%. There's a read on that

character that scene is interesting because i sort of vaguely remember to be when it came up i was like oh is this going to be like every fucking movie in the 80s and 90s where there's some scene involving a trans person in some way you're like oh yeah you know the crocodile dundee thing right right we're like why is this even here and instead that scene plays out over a monologue of renton being like i don't know man sexuality it's like, it's kind of just like a total spectrum, and Begbie's freaking out, but you're like, oh God, this guy's so internalized. And it's about Begbie instead of about

the trans person in the crowd. It's about, oh, okay. It's one of those scenes that actually serves to make you understand how a dangerous, unhinged, and miserable Begbie is. Totally. No, I think that guy's normal and chill.

I'd love to hang out with him in a pub, especially if he's got a knife. It's such a funny character. That's a character that I couldn't... When I was younger, it made me... I was like, that's a bummer, that guy. And then re-watching, I'm like, it's really funny. It reminds me of...

I want to write a character like that. Did you watch T-Tan? Just like somebody who just can't stop killing. It's just so funny. It's just like, sit down! It's so Somebody who just can't stop killing. It's just so funny. It's just like, sit down. It's so funny that she's addicted to killing. And also, no one prepares you for...

In T-Tan, it's about this woman who's almost becoming a car or a machine. You're like, cool. No one mentioned to me. It's like, also, she just writes. She's feral. She makes out with someone. She's sort of like,

I don't want to put this chapstick in your head. I had seen the Full Monty by the time because the Full Monty comes out a year later like by the time I saw Transponder

it must have been the same for me as well and I remember the first time I saw Transponder I was like holy shit he is so intense and scary

and interesting in this movie oh I forgot he's such a sweetie in Full Monty but also it was that weird thing of like these two movies

so fucking humongous back to back and then it felt like it's like I guess Robert Carlyle's a movie star Right And then no one really knew What to do with it

He's had a great career He has Especially in Britain But there was a period there Where it was like He was being put in a lot Of American films And no one could really figure out

Where to place him Ravenous Ravenous Is he in Ravenous Plunkett and McClane Oh yeah Well that Plunkett and McClane

Which is him and Johnny Lee Miller Yeah That was more of that effort Of like can we like Just make a British hit Plunkett McLean Oh yeah Well that Plunkett McLean Which is him and Johnny Lee Miller Yeah That was more of that effort Of like Can we like Just make a British hit That crosses over all the time And that's one of those

Where it's like No No one wants to watch that Did he play Hitler too He did a Hitler And everyone was like Why would he play Hitler Well cause he fucking looks like Hitler

Not in like face But like he's light Yes Like you know He's like a little Weedy guy Hitler the rise of evil Boyle was saying

That his first instinct Was to Thank god it wasn't, Hitler the Rise of Evil. Boyle was saying that his first instinct was to... Thank God it wasn't called Hitler the Rise of Good. I wouldn't watch it. Almost was. Hitler the Rise of what? Evil? Oh, okay. Yeah, no, no. You got it. You nailed it.

Rise of the Guardians? It's actually separate. It also happens in the film. What was I going to say about Carlisle? Oh, Boyle said when he read the book, he pictured Begbie looking like Eccleston. And he was like, oh, I should cast Eccleston,

my friend who I've worked with. And then he got really into the idea of Carlisle. They offered to Carlisle. Carlisle basically turns it down. He's like, I'm too small to play this guy. That's who it would be, though. That was Boyle's fucking G-fucker. It's going to would be, though. It's like the wild little fucker. He's like, no, you were right the first time.

It should be someone tall like Eccleston. He's like, it's the short psychos who are the scariest. Also, Carlisle is Scottish and Eccleston is not. Everyone in this movie is Scottish except for Johnny Lee Miller. And to me, it's very noticeable that Johnny Lee Miller is doing like a so-so accent. And everyone else is doing it. His weird Connery thing. So Johnny Lee Miller is British? Yeah so-so accent and everyone else is doing it. His weird Connery thing. Yeah.

So Johnny Lee Miller is British? Yeah, he's like a posh boy. Right. Which that fits. He has that spirit too. It is so funny that he is now currently playing the Prime Minister of England at the time this movie came out, John Major, who is like-

Is he really? On the crown. Okay. Like who is the most like square British Prime Minister ever and that's, there's competition for that throne. Square is British prime minister. But it's just, yeah, it's just ironic that he now plays John Major.

Anyway, John Hodge. While, let's go back to this. He's working on A Life Less Ordinary post Shallow Grave. Like that is his imagined next project. They hand him Trainspotting and he's like, okay, I'll do my best.

Like, because it's not a book that screams adaptation. He says, like, everything is, you know, basically, like, once in this thing. So he waters down the slang. He says, I can't, we can't actually, like, do this.

Yeah. And he makes rent in the narrator, as we said. He's like, and he makes rent in the narrator, as we said, he's like, this guy has to be the narrator. Uh, and he also feels like this is Irvin Welsh. Like he thinks,

Oh sure. Like this is probably the character. Does the book have a narrator or is it just, no, it's vignette. Right. Well, that's smart.

I read it a million years ago. It's a smart fix. The book's weirdly narrated by Morgan Freeman. Rise of the penguins. Since time immemorial. Hitler rise of the penguins. Man immemorial Hitler Rise of the Penguins Man has done heroin The hugest inspiration on the voiceover

Can you guess what zippy movie from the 90s Might have inspired this movie In the 90s? Oh, because I was going to say With a narrator But 90s zippy What movie has a narrator the whole fucking time? Yap, yap, yap, and then it rules

Goodfellas. Oh, oh, oh. Makes so much sense. Like, you know, and they were like, let's do that. Because, like, it's one of those things where it shouldn't work. Yes. Like, it shouldn't work. Like, Goodfellas, it's like, it feels like the laziest thing. It's like, anyway, so that's Jimmy and that's Tommy and you're like,

this is lazy, but it works. Obviously, Goodfellas. Because Goodfellas is about a guy who can't shut the fuck up. You know, it's about guys who can't shut the fuck up. Cook energy, yeah. Exactly. And the book is set in the 80s, but they were like, no, it should be set right now.

Like, it needs to have this kind of, like, you know, contemporary feeling. So that's where the music is where they're really working tonight. The music is organized chronologically. It spans, like, 10 years of British music, even though the movie's not supposed to take place over 10 years.

It does feel 80s, though. Like, there was a moment where I had to, like, double-check and be like, this was 96, though, right? Like, there is a... Well, you know, Britain's slow.

Yeah. At, like, looking cool. You know what I mean? So it's a little behind. Yeah, but I feel like they invented a lot at that time. They do.

Anyway, Channel 4 films, give them carte blanche another word for that might be blank check and by a blank check I mean about 1.7 million pounds so not a blank check

but for them a lot of money six weeks yeah I think seven six or seven weeks like fat one of these things

that would now be an absolute luxury yeah especially if you adjust that budget for inflation but even without it's still more than most get. Even getting money would be a luxury. Getting any

money. Yeah. The, another financier at one point swooped in and was offering more money, but they said, you have to get that toilet seen out. It's so gross. And they were like, no. It was a toilet company? Yeah, right. It was Bob's Toilets. They were like, I can't do that. Bob's Toilets sparkle.

And so they went back to gentle form I hadn't seen this movie in Since high school So we're talking almost 20 years Close to 20 years probably And I remembered so much of it so vividly But there were things I was surprised by The order of when things happened

The fact that the toilet scene happens Under 10 minutes into the movie Totally And it has a like The angelic thing of going underwater. It feels like it's some sort of come to Jesus that should happen three-fourths into the movie. Yeah. Because the movie is about trying to kick the... It makes sense, though.

It's about trying to start fresh. And this is a movie where they start fresh at the beginning and not at the end. It is just such a bold thing to do. And part of Boyle's whole take on this of like i'm not going realistic yeah you know he can literally crawl into the toilet his whole body can fit down there it can look like the fucking sarlacc it happens so quickly so quick it takes you out of reality so great it's so clever it's the most terry gilliam he's ever been this movie is like more terry gilliam than danny boyle in a lot of ways.

Or it's Danny Boyle doing to Terry Gilliam. Image of him coming out of the toilet and spitting the water out. That's like in every montage of a British movie like montage. Just the final foot sticking out. Yeah. There's certain images like that that are just so clever. Him sinking as well. It's later when he sinks and we're.

The carpet. The perfect day sequence. The carpet. The perfect day sequence. is amazing. There is a moment where like an inch of his body is like farther out of the toilet

than the hole. And every time I watch it I'm like, oh God, like one more take. Like they almost did it. That's another thing I read though.

Most of this movie was first take used. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Because they just didn't have time. Great actors.

Especially with these setups. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing that's impressive have time. Great actors. Especially with these setups. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing that's impressive is you can imagine Boyle not wanting to scale down his ambition going like, no, we're putting the camera here.

We're doing this move. Everyone's got to be on point. They had two weeks of rehearsals. Another insane luxury that no one gets anymore. But that's the biggest thing where you're like, all these actors

were so fucking on point. Well, there's almost no coverage in the whole movie either too. There's like in the scene after Tommy dies when they're all at the diner together, there's just some like kind of, I mean, it's still like shot, very considered shots,

but they're like, you know, covering people at the table. It's the only, every other time, it's like, we're going to be in this fisheye and you're going to do the scene right here. And it's only going to be in this take or whatever. So. Ewan McGregor, they give him the script.

They're not offering him the role, but they give him the script and he loves it and they go can you just staple this for us exactly make us some copies goldenrod and he says he later figured out that John Hodge thought he wasn't right for Renton so he lost a ton of weight he lost two stone which is like 25 pounds

two rocks two stones well I remember reading an interview with him and it's in here So he lost a ton of weight. He lost two stone, which is like 25 pounds. Two rocks. Yeah, two rocks. Two stones. Yeah. Well, I remember reading an interview with him and it's in here. He said like, I just stopped drinking beer.

I mean, he was like in his mid-20s. Yeah. It's just like the weight just fucking fell off of me. And then he shaved his head. If I stop drinking beer, will I look like him? Definitely. Probably.

And he showed up like with his shaved head looking skinnier and was like, eh? And they were like, all right. Um, yes.

Uh, yeah. He says, my wife was my dietician. I stopped drinking beer and the weight fell off me. Good for you, buddy. And then,

uh, they start to work with, um, this recovery group called an athletic who are the opposing football players in the football scene. And at one point, you know, McGregor is like, should I just do

heroin? Like, I'm playing a heroin addict. I'm an actor, right? And John Hodge apparently was a doctor? Yes, he was. So he was like, maybe John Hodge could just get me some, you know, morphine or whatever, like get me something. And those guys

were like, don't fucking... Or actually, I think it was more just he was hanging out with those guys and he would be like don't fucking like or actually i think it was more just he was hanging out with those guys and he'd be like it would be so disrespectful of me yeah to just be like ah fuck around with some heroin because like these guys have been through so much they taught him how to cook heroin he said the big thing that helped him was just spending enough time around heroin that it got normalized to him that he wasn't like scared to be in the presence of it in order to act out all these scenes there There's a great Boyle quote where he was like, you know, people have this question about like,

can I make this movie? I haven't done heroin. Do I need to do heroin in order to know how to make this film? And he's like, people don't murder people in order to make movies about murder. 30% of all movies are about murder. Yeah. People aren't gay to play gay. Never.

Jews never play Jews As we mentioned there had been A stage version of Trainspotting In Edinburgh, Ewan Bradburn had been in it Doesn't seem like he really had Any problem with playing Spud You can feel he had no problem

He was like effortless He's got a great dick He's got no problem doing anything in life When you've got that That's what should happen in that scene Shirley Henderson should say let's see what we're working with Pull the sheets down Look at the dick and hand him flowers

And leave a bouquet of flowers next to the dick Like a sound of like an audience claps I gotta say it's a pretty good dick Kelly MacDonald They just had like a fucking cattle call She'd never acted before audience claps. I gotta say, that's a pretty good dick. Kelly MacDonald, they just had like a fucking cattle call. She'd never acted before. Never acted before.

They held at the University of Strathclyde. Hundreds of women's, you know, hundreds of women's came in. Hundreds of binders of women. Binders filled with women.

And they basically were like, we need to find someone who is one, over 18 years old. Mm-hmm. Two, will read as over 18 years old, but then will read

You can believe it if we pull the rug on it. You know who else has done that? Griffin Newman. That was the career for a while. They pluck her out of nowhere and she goes on to have an incredible career, obviously. One of, maybe, quietly my all-time crushes.

Yeah, I can see why. You guys look cute together. Thank you. I saw that she's separated now. Sorry to hear that, Kelly. But, hey. Well, apparently she got separated five years ago. Oh, she was with many years from the guy from Travis.

You know, the Scottish band Travis. I know of. I'm not like a big fan. They're okay. Maybe she wants to be with the guy from Blank Check with Griffin and David. One of my favorite actors to do it. But what an incredible debut performance.

Yes. Yeah. I totally agree. Yeah. And they shoot the film mostly working out of a cigarette factory in Glasgow. This film is set in Edinburgh. Most of it shot on stages.

Mostly shot on stages. A movie of this budget size would usually try to save that money and put it elsewhere. What do you think was stages? What do you think was Cigarette Factory? What would have been a stage? They built stages in the Cigarette Factory. I was watching this behind the scenes stuff.

It's like a big abandoned 15,000 square foot thing. So they were using that, but almost all of the interiors are sound stages. The crash pads feel very like sound stages. But they were using that, but almost all of the interiors are soundstages. Like the crash pads feel very like soundstages. Totally. But also for Boyle,

it's like being able to build it, A, not only build it to the exact dimensions and art direct it the way you want to and all of that, but also just for all the shot setups he wants to do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? It's so much easier to rig things up. And all the red lights coming in through the windows. It works. Because it does,

it feels like they live in a makeshift place. It feels unreal. Yeah, exactly. It should work. Apparently, this is a gigantic abandoned cigarette factory. They would all rollerblade around. Cool. Just haven't for the very 90s.

The best images is from Danny Boyle. People used to rollerblade on the upper floors while we were shooting, and we would have to tell them to stop because they were making noise. In fact, Johnny Lee Miller and his girlfriend at the time, Angelina Jolie, would be fucking rollerblading up a storm

and they'd be like, can you kids keep it down? It is. It's one of those things that just... He's getting this after hackers. I was going to say, that doesn't make sense. I know.

I know that's the reality of the thing. He's like a vague name, as is Ewan, obviously. Right. But he's almost more the money guy I mean he lending his clout right yeah he's basically his first two roles in movies are playing a character called zero cool and then sick boy and then Mary and Joe yeah hit the ground running they full they got fully married this is see I kind of don't know the Johnny Lee Miller, Angelina.

Yeah, they were fully married. They were married for three years. They broke up in 1999. I think they broke up after like 18 months. They divorced in 1999. They started getting married for three years. It's so cool to be like... They were together for a while. They got married very quickly. And then she basically leaves him

for Billy Bob. And then they had a normal and chill relationship that the press was not that interested in. There's that, there's that insane Angelina Jolie quote where she's like, people think I'm really sexual. In reality, I've only slept with three men.

And I'm like, do you actually want us to believe that the only three people you have ever slept with are Johnny Lee Miller, Billy Bob Thornton, and Brad Pitt. No one has that life. I believe it. I believe it. I think everything else has been...

She might have said four. She might have left one mystery person. Her brother. Right, that was the whole thing where they were like, she's got this normal thing going with Billy Bob, nothing weird there, but then she's obsessed with her brother. Anyway.

She kissed him at the Oscars. Glasgow is the grimier Scottish city. That is like the, in some ways, cooler. This film, the book and the film is set in Edinburgh. Sure. And you do see it when they're running. That's really the only part of Edinburgh you're seeing. Uh-huh.

The rest of the movie, they shot in glass. So it's just weird that that's actually. Yeah. Brian Tufano shoots this movie, who shot Shallow Grave, who's like a legendary old British cinematographer. It's amazingly shot. Looks incredible. Looks really, really good.

Yeah. And they have all these complicated things they want to do, right? Like, you know, like, obviously, cameras just moving around like crazy. The scene outside is so cool uh uh they're running when they're running down princess street yeah i mean his whole cold turkey sequence is like yeah i mean it's as iconic as you can get the whole bedroom stretching yes stretching the train wallpaper and the whole thing with that sequence is like, it's one of those things where the baby looking fake

is almost to its advantage because it's so nightmarish. I think it's the same as the apes at the beginning of 2001. It's like, there's a weird, I don't know, ecstatic truth to the way they feel. It reminds me of the baby face mask in Brazil, too. It's got a little bit of that. I feel like that was an aesthetic that was happening with babies

around the 80s into the 90s. It looks like not the Muppet babies, but when there were human babies on the Muppets. It's got something that was in the zeitgeist, I think. Like we're not connecting with that. It looks like a real- life Garbage Pail Kid. Yes. Yeah, totally.

The cheeks are too big and too rosy. Too circular. Everything is too round. There's a sequence in the book where the lads are walking through a night and they're imagining themselves as vampires. And Danny Boyle is like, that is the one thing I wish we had the money to include. Because I was going to like shoot it and put Iggy Pop's nightclubbing over it and like it was going to be

like a whole cool thing but we like did not have the money for that there's the Muppet Show character Bobby Benson in his baby band where he's like this sleazy sort of like exploitive show busy guy and he's got a band the babies that play doesn't it look like the Muppets right

like this one in particular I feel like show busy guy and he's got a band, the babies that play. I don't know where he's. Doesn't it look like the Muppets? Yes. Right? Fully. Like this one in particular. Yes, sure. The babies do. Yeah, yeah. They're freaky. Yeah, right?

Yeah. They're very freaky. I follow a lot of like special effects Instagram accounts and they just recently did, they like whoever made the baby, they like had a thing and it just. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. That's cool.

It was like a mechanical. Yeah. The other funny thing and I like this. Mm-hmm. One of the last things they shoot is the sequence where Sick Boy and Renton are in the park

and they're taking the pot shot at the dog and they're just being little fuckers that's one of the last things they shoot so Ewan McGregor's finally comfortable

drinking again because he's like alright I can start drinking without putting on weight like worrying about my weight changing it was like me eating

a garbage plate the morning after I wrapped on this movie exactly so apparently they had been drinking so much the night before and they are so hungover without putting on weight, like worrying about my weight changing. It was like me eating a garbage plate the morning after I wrapped on this movie. Exactly. So apparently they had been drinking so much the night before and they are so hungover, which really reads in that scene. They seem very tired.

Yes. Which is perfect for the scene because it's supposed to be like strung out and like not. Yeah. Anyway, I just really like that. Should we talk through the plot a little bit? Kind of been jumping around, but I just feel like, yeah,

let's just try to go through a story. So a bunch of guys live in Leith, which is a tough neighborhood in Edinburgh, coastal. Public housing, would you say? Like, I don't know. I don't know. I think they're all maybe squatters, even. Yeah, I don't know.

That's more the vibe I get. It's like almost like there's some abandoned apartment. Or whatever. Or it's Mother superior is squatting and they just kind of hang out there I like his look I like he's wearing a leather vest no shirt underneath Peter Mullen is the best this is the guy from

top of the lake oh really yeah I remember the gangster from the first season I like how he just like just is anytime someone's like I'm gonna get clean he's like no just is, anytime someone's like, I'm going to get clean, he's like, no, you're not. It's like, God.

They cut out this whole plot line with him where he loses his leg and then he tells them he's going to go to like Bangkok and become like a, sort of a beach prequel. Yeah. And then they find him later in the subway,

like begging for money. Oh, wow. That's too, that's too many people. Yes. That was the exact, too many people have fallen. Yes, wow. That's too many people having like too many people have fallen. Yes, exactly.

They were like it was a double beat after Tommy died. I like that he makes no sense where you're like how does this continue to operate? He has like a little machine

to check their, you know, pound notes, right? Where he's like authentic. He's got a little ultraviolet light and like as they say like he shouldn't be alive. Like how is this guy this old?

Like the heroin doesn't end well, right? Not typically, yeah. And he just kept doing heroin until he died of old age, right? So the fact that they have this one guy in their friend group who's like got a decade plus on them and is still like relatively high functioning by their standards and is doing as much heroin as them

gives them the carte blanche the blank check if you will to keep doing it's a little bit of a sure like you know I could be like that guy but I mean which I feel like is what you know you know cigarette smokers too where they're like I don't know some people do okay maybe I'll be like that person

yeah well there's a little bit I mean I don't know a lot about the things I'm addicted to are like self-hating thoughts and pulling my hair out I mean same Big same I think I'm lucky in that I don't think I have a lot of disposition for like Being addicted to external things

Chemical sure But like at least in watching The Real Housewives They're all alcoholics And the reality TV dynamics of seeing a group of alcoholics not being able to like it's like we actually should not talk about alcohol at all because we're gonna really start to quantify everyone and pit each other against each like it just feels like there's a lot of like once you open that door everyone's gonna get upset and

triggered in a different way and yeah i don't know's kind of, there's a little bit of that in this movie too, where it's like, when Rinton goes back to doing the drugs to test, and then when he goes into the bus bathroom and does more of them, and everyone's like judging him. There's like a judgment internalized thing that happens. I like that we really have no sense of why these people are friends. We just get that they're friends. They've been friends forever.

They've grown up together. Right. Yeah. So it's Rinton. No one else will have them, I think. I think that's a huge part. They are clinging to each other. But like that, you know, Renton, Spud, Sick Boy,

those guys are just, and Begbie, for different reasons. They don't have a lot of other friends. Just the recitation of their names. And then Tommy is their sort of like, quote unquote, normal friend, who's still just kind of like nice enough to sort of hang out, I guess.

Tommy makes me feel like this whole world this whole town is bad like like if tommy has to hang out with them and like his girlfriend and the other girlfriend are hanging out it's like this is actually like there aren't a lot of options in this town i everyone in this movie had such a sort of career explosion and kevin mckidd was one of those things where it's like, ah, it sucks for him. He's in that cool movie and he has the most boring part in a way. And it was so nice when he did finally have the second act. I know his second act was mostly him being on Grey's Anatomy

for a billion years. But you know the other thing, right? That he's handsome and he took me on a date once? No, I don't know. He very nearly was Thor. Yes, I know. Which, you know, I could see it. Matthew Vaughn was supposed to direct Thor originally,

and his pick was Kevin McKidd. And then when Vaughn dropped out, he still stayed in it. It very nearly happened. You can see the concept art that was done for the movie was done with his likeness. It's one of those things, I think. It's Grey's Anatomy,

Kevin McKitt, like peak Grey's Anatomy, Kevin McKitt. He had just come back and he had been doing, was he on Rome or something? Like he had done a couple sort of sword and sandals

type things. He was in Kingdom of Heaven. He is on Rome, isn't he? Yes. Yeah. So it made sense to be like, oh,

now he's reestablished as a hunk. Yep. He's done some of these period things, have him play Thor. I think, I think probably better for everyone, including him,. Have him play Thor. I think probably better for everyone,

including him, that he did play Thor. I don't think he would have wanted to. That all worked out. Yeah. But it's a wild thing to consider.

Especially like... He's Poseidon in Percy Jackson. He got to play his god. At the end of the day, he got to play his god. Thor adjacent. Yeah.

Very Thor adjacent. Yes. But he's also, he's the one who's not in the poster. He's not in the poster. He's not on the poster. He doesn't have a cool name. He's just Tommy.

Tommy. He's not sick boy. Yeah. Yeah. What's your name? I'm sick boy. Healthy boy. I do love that there's like no peer pressure.

Like they love hanging out with this guy. No, they don't want him to do that. They really don't want him to. And the film begins pretty much with Renton being like fuck this shit I'm not doing it anymore And of course with the narrator vibe Of him being like this isn't going to work out

That's why it's so sad when Tommy Begs to do it Because no one has been pushing him to do it It's all him And it's all Renton's fault Although Renton has no memory basically And like I do love that The casual whatever

misanthropic thing renton being like he made a sex tape i'm gonna steal it watch it get kind of bummed out not really think about it again and then that just like explodes his life yeah yes thoroughly and also gives us a really great joke where when tommy's having sex and watching you know that famous goal from the 1978 World Cup could you imagine though like if you're a 17 year old girl fucking some 28 year old like from what's

her face's point of view Kelly McDonald's like Diane as as this old man is coming he's talking about like sports scores like god her parents think it's cool I love her parents I love how sports scores. I haven't felt like good since... Like, God. Her parents think it's cool. I love her parents.

I love how, like, tired they are. I love all the parents in the movie. They're all just, like, so tired of being alive. But her parents want to be seen as hip. Like, the way they're shown used by the flatmates. that's good.

I'll write that down. Right. James Cosmo, people probably know him as plays Renton's dad. Okay. He's in Game of Thrones. Yeah.

He's in a million other things, too. Okay. He's in Game of Thrones. Yeah. He's in a million other things too. He played one of the Thrones? No, he was the, he's the Lord Commander of the Watch, the Night's Watch. Okay. Gior Mormont. Okay. But yeah, they're just sort of like, yeah, we told you you were stupid.

We always knew you sucked. They're all such betas too. Like all the parents are just these like. They're always just sitting at the table yeah well they embody sort of what the movie opens with it's the clock of cards

but they don't want to be they've given up tuned out they've given up they're just like sort of boring watching TV eating disgusting beans

for breakfast all the time these disgusting beans isn't it similar to clock of cards where like you're like oh right their parents are like right there you know it's like

this isn't a movie about someone who's like doesn't even know his parents anymore. He like lives with them sort of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah. And then like he wants the magazine.

He's like, no, I'm really full on all the heroin I do. Num, num, num. Anyway, pretty quickly. Weird that scene where he eats heroin with a fork

and then. It looks so good though. Yeah. Picks it up with some black pudding. So there's sort of the like Renton tries to quit heroin thing. He like nails a wooden cross to the door. And then immediately takes it fucking down

because he has to get one more hit. That's just so like cartoonish and funny. Once again, this is cool. The buckets. So first ten minutes. Suppositories. I know. Zip, zip, zip, zip, zip. Yeah. And then the toilet. Suppositories so hot. When he just like sticks suppositories up his skinny jeans ass.

There's something about it that I was, I remember like being like 15 and being like, I'll never forget this. I hope someone asked me about this in a college dorm room someday. And I can speak one word. But like, he's mildly annoyed about it, but he's not exactly like,

all right, well, I'm going to throw those away. He's like, all right, how do I get this in my ass? The whole toilet sequence is so good yeah in that you are especially imagine in a theater oh you know you're going to see this movie 10 minutes and he's diving into a

toilet the worst grossest toilet and you're like what is going on and then there's the weird i remember my parents describing yeah right because it's so like especially in 96 and i was like i don't understand how that scene could be in a grown-up movie and not a sketch from all that. And not Conker's bad fur day. Right, right. In a Nintendo video game. Yeah.

But then what I love is when he's in the water, it's suddenly kind of dreamy and quiet. And you're suddenly actually given a moment to chill out. Very White Lotus, actually. Yeah, and he gets the big pills. I like how big they are. Yeah. And you know what I'll say about the boys from Trainspotting

Send them to the White Lotus That's season 3 Season 3 I think it's time to send them to the White Lotus That would be funny if it was literally just them Just Renton, Sick Boy, Bagby Yeah that's T3 But the scene leading up to that

Of him walking through the gambling hall Or whatever that is That's really good That and then the scene where up to that Of him walking through the like gambling Hall or whatever that is like that's Really good oh that and then the scene where like Girls are rejecting him like all the first Person camera stuff where like people are just Giving him looks are just really really Great and then he Decides to be chill and normal so he does

Things like shoot people with BB guns in the Park So the dog will attack a person While Johnny Lee Miller talks about Sean Connery's Oscar being undeserved. I do like that as a character game of just this guy

is so fucking obsessed with Sean Connery. It's the only thing he knows how to talk about. Is he, as someone who doesn't know a lot about James Bond, is he right about

everything he's saying? He's wrong about almost everything. Not that his facts are wrong. His opinions are wrong. Right, okay. He's like anti-pussy galore. He's like, she's not hot. She's got the most pussy of anyone ever. And, Almost all of it. So that's the joke. Not that his facts are wrong. His opinions are wrong. Right, okay. He's like anti-pussy galore. He's like,

she's not hot. She's got the most pussy of anyone ever. And, yeah, of course. And he's like, yeah,

he's dead. Off the pussy. Well, for eight. But galore is what? A dozen? You're right. And he's down on the Oscar win.

It's like, that's not just a career Oscar. Maybe it is. Maybe Sick Boys. That was, I remember, I saw this movie before I saw The Untouchables

and I took that opinion to heart. I was like, oh yeah, you know, fucking. movie before i saw the untouchables and i took that opinion to heart i was like oh yeah you know fucking and when i saw the untouchables i was like no this rules kind of popping yeah um there's the early stuff like the stealing of the sex tape like spud's uh job interview which is so funny and shot so well by danny boyle performance it is really really funny that's actually a good one to watch with the subtitles. He says so many things so quickly. Your leisure is my pleasure. There's the bit I love where the one time the movie uses subtitles is when

Tommy and Spot are talking at the club. Yeah, at the club. They're yelling. Right. Yeah, yeah. That is good. And you're cutting to the bathroom where it's quiet and the women can actually hear each other. Which is literally a Cockroach Orange like, it's a Moloko. Yeah, yeah. Totally. It's the Volcano, I believe, It's a Moloko. Yeah, yeah. Totally. It's the volcano, I believe.

It's a famous nightclub in Glasgow. The sort of, the morning after, you know, Renton realizing he slept with a teenager. Right. Spud with the shit on the sheets. Tommy in the fallout of the sex tape. Yep.

That's all, like, 30-minute mark. Yep. You're like, oh, this has been act one of a tight 90 minute movie is now like the wheels are starting to come off a little bit for these guys. But not in a way where it's a turning point. Like him waking up with a 17

year old is just like another day in the life. It's more about in terms of the audience experience watching the movie or like this suddenly got dramatically less fun. They're not learning anything. They're not necessarily slowing down, but we're, like, feeling some of the rent coming due on these guys. His reaction is,

I guess I'll do heroin again. Right. I guess that wasn't really working out for him. Yeah, yeah. And the first five minutes are montage, too. It's all just, like, music and montage, so you're like, this is status quo for them, and now we're, like, falling apart. The movie's sort of slowing down. Right. The whole fact that, like, Renton's like, well, of course, I don't do heroin anymore. I need to fall in love immediately. Right, now I'm horny. This, like, well, of course, I don't do heroin anymore. I need to fall in love

immediately. Now I'm horny. This like absolute addict, like I need the new thing. But I love that. It's just like, he's like, I've been doing heroin.

I'm not doing it anymore. Heroin makes you constipated. Now I gotta poop. Yeah. All right, that's done. Heroin also kills your sex drive. Now I'm horny.

Yeah. Now that's done. First sex scene I've ever seen, I had ever seen with someone with a condom. Oh, he like snaps the condom off. Yeah sex scene I've ever seen, I had ever seen with a condom. Oh, sure. He like snaps the condom off. The condom off.

Yeah. And I remember as like a 13-year-old being like, whoa, holy shit. That's a condom. Like, you know, like, you know, yeah. But Tommy, sad,

starts to do drugs. What else is happening at this time? The baby dies. Yes. And it's this horrible scene that Ben like says, it's just sort of like, we move on, you know,

or whatever, like we just, the plot just sort of like we move on you know or whatever like we just the plot just sort of keeps going we don't really know who that girl is in the book it's clear that she's Sick Boy's girlfriend and that's Sick Boy's babe I like the way the movie does it though where it's ambiguous you hear Renton saying like it wasn't my kid we never really knew and then Sick Boy starts

crying too hard and it could have been set up earlier too like in the first couple minutes of the movie, like, Ewan McGregor could have been like, and nobody knows who the dad is. But you still feel like you're getting that information in the same scene that you find out who the dad is. That there was a mystery and you're just with it.

It's so intense. And the whole thing of her, like, crying hysterically and saying, like, I need a hit to stop feeling this. Like, just going deeper into the heart. And he gives himself it first. Yeah, well, that's in the book, clearly. He's like, so I gave her a hit. Obviously, I gave Like just going deeper and just horrible. Yeah? Well, that's in the book, clearly. He's like,

so I gave her a hit. Obviously, I gave myself one first. What is that about? It's just like, I'm going to fucking go to all the effort of cooking heroin for somebody.

Even at this moment of great tragedy, he's still operating. It's the airplane thing of like, make sure you put your mask on before you put

anyone else's on. It's like if you roll a joint, you're going to smoke it first and then pass it to the next. But the whole point is he's operating from such an extreme place of selfishness. Just like his lizard brain being addicted to this shit

that even this woman who like... He should either say no or he should give it to her first. Yeah, yeah. He does maybe the least considerate of all options which is indulge her but also make her wait. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

And also the baby's face. That's not a same day. I can't talk about it. That wasn't day one. No. In the book, you don't even know how the baby died. It's unclear. They don't know.

They don't know. They're so out of it. Then pretty quickly, they get caught shoplifting, and they're sent, well well spud is sentenced to prison yes and renton is sentenced to rehab which also it feels like a bit of a class thing yeah maybe there's there's right there's a mild undercurrent of that that's although renton i think but renton has the brains to maneuver and spud i think he's he can present himself a little bit better i also think it's like the movie star charm thing it's sort of like they look at him

they're like this guy could get his shit together. And you're like, what's the best version of Spud? Like to this elitist judge, right? Yeah.

He's like, Spud is dumb trash. And meanwhile, this Renton guy, I could see him someday making a respectable real estate agent. When he gives this

political statement too, which is like Spud could never sum that. And the judge is like, you know. I like like that the judge isn't like all right son like he's just great job he's just like okay um and then pretty soon after that is when he ods right like is there anything else like basically he just he goes to rehab he does some methadone well we guess we skipped over and it's not really a big plot, but the train spotting like, or the train moment where they go out to the country.

It's called Karur railway station. It is the most remote station in Britain. It is not on a road. Yeah. You literally only go there if you want to go hiking. That's cool. Or as the Scots call it, I want to get this right because there's a specific Scottish thing.

You know, like the famous underpants. There's a word that Scottish people use for mountains. Munro's. They call them... So people who... Maryland mountains. Are called mungo baggers.

Look at these looks, though. Enough words, you all. This is, I think, the best looks out of the movie. Absolutely. That's the Spud outfit I love. Yeah, right. You were saying the tight, the skinny jeans with the blazer and the fluorescent orange.

God, yeah. They all just look so fucking great. Anyway, I've always wanted to go to that station. It seems really cool. Yeah. Do you think they put this in the movie just so they could be like, I don't know, that's why it's called Train Trains. Well, that is where Renton gives his iconic speech,

and I love the speech because he's like, I don't even hate English people. I'm embarrassed for us that they conquered us. They're so lame. Like, it's so shitty that our rulers are these awful fucking tightwad jerks. It's so good. The most wretched,

miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. We are colonized by wankers. Oh, God. It's good. And the other, they don't even go on the hike. Tommy, at that point, if I'm Tommy, I'm like, you know what, guys? I fucking planned this whole day for us.

I know. That's when Tommy gives up, though. Really, that's the last thing. That's like, he's just kind of like, all right, I can't get my friends to go on a hike. I do love the implication. I mean, outside of just like them all being misfit toys and the fact that their roots probably go deep, it also feels like the other reason Tommy's friends with them is because no one else he knows likes Iggy.

Yeah. Right? It's like he's not a junkie, but he has the music taste of one. That's kind of a high school thing, too. He just likes to go to shows with them. Yeah. Right? It's like he's not a junkie, but he has the music taste of one. That's kind of a high school thing, too. You just like to go to shows with them. Yeah. Or you end up sitting with, like,

kids that are, you know, a little rougher than you just because you like the same things. Yes. But pretty much after... So the ODing... What's happening there? He goes to Mother Superior,

gives him the 20-pound note. Mother Superior just throws him in the street, puts him in a cab. This cab driver's just like, okay. But there's that extreme close-up of the heroine where you can see all the shit in it. Yeah. Right, going through the...

Right, where you see all that gross black residue. Mm-hmm. Right, that's sort of the implication. It's particularly nasty. Sure. Yeah. And then he sinks into the red carpet. Right.

And I love how even you get POV shots, and it's got kind of framed on the edges, the red. Yeah. And then he sinks into the red carpet. And I love how even you get POV shots and it's got kind of framed on the edges, the red. Yeah. And it stays longer than when he's in the room. There's a scene in It, the book It, that it reminds me of where like,

you know how like in It, one of them like kills himself in the tub at the beginning? Yes. Like the wife finds kills himself in the tub at the beginning like the wife finds the husband in the tub and it's written from her I think it's written from her whatever

but anyway like she like is like shaking looking at him in the tub and then she starts to hear like someone be like 911 what's your emergency and she's like what the hell's going on and then she like suddenly fades into realizing that she's got the phone in her hand she's on the phone and it I love whenever like people are in a state of shock and like a thing is still hanging on that they you can't process like that's it's such a good decision for him to like still see the carpet and

not be in that room yeah great it is good uh do you think lou reed do you think they showed in the movie and he was like you guys diss me in this movie and we're like hey can we use perfect day and he's like you fucking say i'm my solo career is bad you want to use perfect day it's a wrong opinion yeah yeah it is a wrong i think it's yeah probably supposed to be a sick boy so annoying everything he says is kind of annoying yeah i know it's like using the song almost feels like it's a way to undercut sick boy as a character like this was his like, second solo album. Sick Boy is, Transformer was early. I probably,

because I was raised to be a codependent enabler, I probably would have an easier time being friends with Begbie than Sick Boy. Remember these? Oh yeah,

that was a good bit. It was a good bit. It wasn't. David's holding up the underwear. I just saw him again. That's a great bit. It wasn't. It was confounding and slow.

Great. The best kind of Blanket. And so best podcast, obviously. Yeah. Then that, after that, he goes culture. After that, it's the whole culture. Yes, and remakes himself as a real estate man.

And he's good at it. Yes. I like that he's good at it. Before he moves away, we should talk about Tommy. Yes, because it's like there's the sequence where Tommy's like, Tommy's like, I want heroin, and Renton is like, no, but is also so strung out that he's kind of like, okay. He can't put up a fight, but

he also doesn't even try, really. And he's, again, not really even aware of the wreckage he has caused. Because he visits Tommy before he goes to London, right? That's the thing. When he visits him again, Renton is now actually clean, and Tommy is the one who's in a horrible state.

and finds out, you know, like, that he hasn't gotten AIDS. He's like, unbelievably, I don't have AIDS. Yeah.

Yes. Despite the amount of like needle sharing I was getting. And I like how it feels very like, this is happening right now, this new thing,

like, you have to go get the test. Right. His parents suggest them that he do it and then, of course, unfortunately,

Tommy is the one who has contracted HIV. I mean, that's the part of the book that makes the most sense being set in the 80s. That it's like, oh, there could be an outside force shift of there's now a new thing for you guys to worry about. You have to be aware of this. Rather than if it's in the 90s, it's just sort of like, oh, these guys are now starting to get more serious maybe.

It's realistic how unimportant it is to them too, though. Like, they're just sort of like, of like oh yeah I don't have it but also if you're at if you're that deep in that life it's like you are consciously not taking that test not thinking about it because you don't want to know the answer right it's easier to live in like the Schrodinger's cat state something I never noticed until

this watching is there's graffiti all over Tommy's like apartment that is like referencing that he has AIDS that he is like I have here it says AIDS scum is scrawled outside of his apartment the nurses did that? the nurses?

I don't know they found out I don't know who did that I think like you think he did it? no I think it's because he's active in like using drugs still and like you know is

had someone maybe get angry at him it's like the hobo yeah yeah yeah you know, is had someone maybe get angry at him. It's like the hobo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know how hobos

would draw like, like this is a bad person. Right. Or like they serve beans here. His door, it says infected like outside of his door.

Don't share needles with this guy. Right. I see. Okay. Okay. That makes sense. Right.

Isn't the hobo code cool? Yeah. I love it. People should do that. People should be spray painted insecure on my door. Hey, wait a sec. Above my bed it says, anxious, avoid it.

Butter him up. That's all he needs. This is the whole thing with the hobo code. They'd be like, just tell a sad story. You draw like a little crying face. Yeah. You know, that's how you get whatever you need. I have a whole book about this that I should lend you, David.

It's really great. Is it called The Hobo Code? No. I forget what it's called, but it's all about hobo... Hieroglyphics is what they call it. Because they had the whole weird language. Anyway. He moves to London, and he's having

a fairly chill, boring time. And then the person you least of this group that you least want to find you... Number one. Yeah. But the one who would. Is Begbie who is on the run for armed robbery

and is mad because the gun he used wasn't even real. Uh-huh. We forgot, the scene where Begbie throws the glass over his shoulder

at the pub and then there's a whole flashback about Begbie where they're like, let me explain what an asshole this guy is. Right? And then we cut back to the glass lands on someone's head and he goes downstairs and they're like, let me explain what an asshole this guy is. Right? And then we cut back

to the glass lands on someone's head and he goes downstairs and he's like, who did this? Well, he takes his knife out and puts it on the table. He's like,

I don't need this. Yeah. Oh, God, it's so good. The character introduction, too, is him telling that story at the club that makes him sound cool. And then he's like,

and then I went to Tommy and Tommy told me what happened. Like, he was so drunk and pathetic. Fully attacks, yeah. The guy never even looked over his shoulder. His back was turned the whole time. Like, he was so drunk and pathetic. Fully attacks, yeah. The guy never even looked over his shoulder. His back was turned the whole time.

Well, and they also all attack a tourist at some point. I don't remember when that happened. That happens later. That's when they're literally robbing people and shit. It's like the American guy comes and he's like, hi, can I use your bathroom? And they... But that's the thing where they're setting Begbie on hand.

They kobo code outside the bathroom, right? Dumb tourists. But Begbie holds up the knife and they're like, no, no, Begbie, no killing. We just want his money. You know, like that. And that sort of illustrates what Begbie is. Begbie's like Tatan.

He just kind of, he kind of loves doing it. Yeah. He does it for the sport of the thing. And so Begbie shows up being a psycho. Sick Boy shows up and he's like kind of trying to be a drug dealer now. And so then Renton gets fired, right? Like right like you know like because they're hanging around again yeah there's a great bit where they're all eating chips and talking and then he just blows up at them selling the tv and they're like well you didn't tell us you wanted to keep it yeah you should have like put

a post it on yeah i think the hardest part of the movie is watching them mess up his apartment. That is so hard to watch. They suck. They're bad guests. I wouldn't tell. Yes, they're really bad. He moves them into the unoccupied apartment. Instead of hiding

while those people come in to look for the apartment, they decide to jump out and be like, They got territorial about the place they weren't paying to live in. and be like, ah! They got territorial about the place they weren't paying to live in. It's like, just keep hiding for 20 more seconds.

You're good. They're like demons. They're like these demons that he can't shake. There is a pile of cigarette packs outside of his apartment that is fucking insane

that they would just keep throwing it outside. Like, that's where this goes. But it's so funny because you do realize in that moment like, oh,

Ren was being pretty smart about this. He like calls it the least desirable apartment right right he like found the place that he knew no one was ever gonna take he sets them up there and it's just like just hide your shit and if people come to look at it yeah on these specific days and times get out of the way and instead you said, they just fucking jump on them like spider monkeys. They ruin everything. Yeah. Little demons. They're bad friends. Bad friends.

They really are. This movie could have been called Bad Friends. Good dressers, bad friends. They are good dressers. It could be called Bad Friends just like a short I made at NYU that never finished. Was it called Bad Friends? Wow.

This was in The Bad Teachers. They're so not worth making. It was about some bad friends Who went to go visit a friend's grave But they were at the wrong grave That's kind of funny It was a failure Well you've gone on to great success

Yeah but I made that Okay well you know what You should wear it like a fucking millstone Right after all this is Tommy's funeral That's when they go back Tommy dies Cat related But it's like baby too

There's something about when you see the kitten You're like no no no no But they don't kill the kitten The kitten kills him Yeah the kitten kills everyone and then walks away with a passport And the guy The guy explaining The story to Renton

Like so callously is like can you believe this awful terrible thing while the women cry behind them but it's a similar thing

where you're like oh my god what another insanely bad thing yeah and the movie is in bummer zone at this point

but they still do just kind of go like alright so should we try and do a weird drug deal with Keith Allen now you know like

it's not like they're like we have to fucking stop it. Right. This is like, this is a clarion call here. Tommy is dead. The only good one. Right.

Sweet little Tommy. Right. No, instead they're like, let's buy some spuds out. Spuds out of jail. That's it. Spuds out of jail. Begbie's got a hot tip. He comes into the heroin.

Right. Yeah. Oh, and Kelly McDonald writes him a letter too. Kelly McDonald is like corresponding with it. She's the one being like, here'sine. Right. Yeah. Oh, and Kelly McDonald writes him a letter to Kelly McDonald is like corresponding with it. She's the one being like, here's what's up. Yeah. You know,

beg be still a psycho. She passes spud like wasted in the street. Right. I like that. They never sleep together again. Yeah, me too. She's like a friend. They're just pals.

She does give him that brief thing for, she's like, if you don't fuck me, I'll call the cop. Yeah. Which I, I respect the aggression of it. Yeah. Even though it's a lot but

uh yeah but no i wish someone would say that to me um uh and they do a drug deal with keith allen keith allen of course plays the drug dealer in shallow grave as well griffin i don't know if you've ever seen shallow grave no i'm excited i will have seen it by the time and he's also this episode comes famously uh the father of lily and alfie allen oh sure and out. And he's also famously the father of Lily and Alfie Allen. Oh, sure. And in Britain, he's one of those fucking guys. Okay. Where he's just always on fucking television.

You know, what do you think, Keith Allen? Well, I think... And you're like, oh, fucking Keith Allen again. And then you, like, made two more Allens. You're like, oh, they're multiplying. Tim Allen. Yeah, he is Tim Allen's father. He's also Tim Allen's dad.

I mean, to be clear, I kind of love Lily Allen. And I like Alfie Allen just fine. Tim Allen as well. To be clear, I kind of love Lily Allen. And I like Alfie Allen. Tim Allen as well. He's the Santa Claus. Yes. Heath Allen's really good in this movie, though. He is.

That whole scene is great. He's really effective as like... He's supposed to be the same... The menace of that... Yeah, they were like, well, it'll be funny. Yeah. It's hard to... With characters that are as like kamikaze as the four of them, it's hard to have somebody be scarier than them and

the control that he has is like a good counter there's that great line in the narration where he says like he could immediately spot us for what we were like for whatever however he says about like four they don't four rubes who lucked into a decent deal and then you immediately look back

at the guys and they look so ridiculous you're like like they've dressed up he's wearing what's his name he's wearing he's got the sunglasses he's got like

the casino glasses he looks like music producer Elliot Gould in Ocean's Eleven that's his that's his tactic yeah

oh but they get 16,000 they succeed despite being completely incompetent bad but better than they almost got For being such idiots

They're still making a profit It's still not that much money To them it's a lot of money For the end of a movie It's really not that much money Especially if you're thinking that split across four guys It's really not that for like one last job One of the iconic images of this movie

Is the final shot post credits of spud finding the money yeah and like it is funny that it's like oh good for him it's not it's a little bit of money yeah pounds and have you all watched t2 yet I've never seen t2 I watched

the first 30 minutes I fell asleep but I was liking it but anyway I won't I won't say I'm excited to watch it maybe is it the only Danny Boyle I've asleep. But I was liking it. But anyway. I won't say anything. I'm excited to watch it. Maybe. Is it the only Danny Boy I've never seen? Interesting. No, I've never. Yeah, maybe.

Yeah, anyway. I won't spoil a thing for it. But about it. But I will say. You can tell that the 4,000 pounds did not last over 30 years or whatever. Also, not to spoil another thing. But there's a second Terminator. Who?

No, no, no. There isn't. This time there are two? Yeah. T2 Transploder. And what is it? Just a live man. He's made out of liquid heroin. I keep trying to cook him and he's like, get off of me. In that line, I'll choose

life. Iconic line. I like that Renton's final choice is, you know what? All these guys suck. I don't like them. Except for Spud. He's alright. I'll leave him money. final choice is, you know what? All these guys suck. Yeah. I don't like them. Except for Spud. He's all right. Yeah.

I'll leave him money. Yeah. Everyone else, fuck you. I'm going to make a selfish choice, and I guess I'll be, you know, normal now. But he's not, like, triumphant. I don't even know if he's going to be normal. And you don't even know if he's going to be.

I mean, the whole shot where the face, where, you know, he puts his face further out of focus, and then his smile just becomes this weird like rictus grin that's like scary looking yeah you don't know if it's like because he watches Begbie like lose his mind one too many times basically and then he does the

old before that they go to the bathroom you know he steals Begbie's oh sure like taking the remote from Al very dicey when he just takes I would never have done that. No, no, no. Begbie's gonna wake up and, yeah, just... You should have a weapon in your hand.

But even when Begbie and Sick Boy are in the bathroom, before Begbie flips out on that fucking guy, he's already floating to Spud. Yeah. Should we just run? Mm-hmm. Totally. Spud is so good in those scenes.

The scaredness is really good. This is my question. Does he leave the money for Spud in the book? Yes. Do scaredness is really good. This is my question. Does he leave the money for Spud in the book? Do you remember? He does. Okay. Because it almost felt to me like a thing of like, right. It almost felt to me watching the movie like oh, with Bremner's

performance, this is the one character you would feel bad for as an audience member. This has had a tack on a happy ending to the movie. Yeah, because you're just like, who gives a shit about Sick Boy and Bagby? I'm happy Renton walks away from this.

You want Spud to have a little win. Yeah, and he could have split the money 50-50 with Spud. He could have, but he didn't. He gives him his share. Yes. No, I think in the book, it's just Renton is thinking to himself like i'll give spud his cut because he's all right okay yeah um seeing him get the money is he's got

such a sweet face yeah he's big classes but it's i mean it's interesting because the like the euphoria that he's exhibiting at the end and it would be the euphoria that normally you would associate with like and now i'm out forever like i learned the lesson and I realized I'm on the other side of it. But you're like, the thing that gave him the most freedom was like fucking over people that fuck over him. Yeah. You know,

and that's like the, that's as clear as it's going to get. Not going to last for long. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the end of the film. It's really good.

It's a great movie. It is. It's also just incredibly compelling. And it is one of those things where I haven't seen it in years, although I've seen it many times. And I was just like, right, I remember the framing of these shots. It's very good in my memory. I don't feel like I love the movies

like The Snatch and The Lockstock and Two Smoking Barrels. Movies that the descendants of this movie, I feel like probably, I haven't seen them in forever, I don't think they're my thing. They're very busy. Guy Ritchie is like Danny Boyle dialed up. I think it's also very similar

to Pulp Fiction, where you had a wave of American movies copying that, and pretty much all of them, stahink. And obviously Guy Ritchie is also inspired by Pulp Fiction and all that. I think these two movies produced a lot of very bad films in their wake.

I don't think those movies are bad. I like Lock, Stock, and Snatch. I haven't seen them in forever. They are such cultural snapshot things. Sure. Whereas Trainspotting is two, but Trainspotting is still just incredibly watchable. David, can you pull up the quote that JJ texted us? In the middle of compiling his dossiers,

he went to text to spotlight one specific quote for us. Okay. This is a fun thing to think about with Boyle is the idea he repeats over and over again. Quote, In England, if you're talented, young, and rebellious, you start a band, unless you're tone deaf like me. You take a kind of commercial or rebellious energy

of a young filmmaker for granted in America. The energy of youth doesn't go into films in this country. It goes into bands. The guys from Oasis and Blur had gone into film. We'd have a very vibrant industry. It's interesting. Right. Britain does make good music.

Music brain is very different from movie brain, though. Yes. Well, obviously, like, making a movie is, like, complicated. Yeah. Not that making music isn't hard, but there is, like like you can be a fucking Insane person And still just be so gifted and interesting

And just like get on stage and sing songs And it's like electrifying But you can't just do that with a movie You can be like I have a good idea for a movie Here we go You have to like get funding And like storyboard scenes and stuff Like it's hard

But all English people like can speak You know like that's the one thing Like music people here can't speak know like that's the one thing like music people here can't speak like musicians don't know how to like talk yeah but like anyone in england can just speak in a way that americans can't but but that quote i mean it applies for boyle's whole career but this is the movie that i think best embodies it of just him being like i want to make films that have the energy that music has in terms of commenting

on a moment. And the reason films rarely can do that is because it's a much more complicated medium that involves so many more people and so much more money

and all of that. But that is the magic trick of Boyle is he understands how to convert that energy into his movies from first shot

to last shot. That's a great segue into talking about the soundtrack of this film, which is iconic in its own right. Two volumes. Yes. A classic more music I love it when there's a more music. I love it.

Where they're just like, just the vibe. I found, I was used record strapping and I bought the American Graffiti soundtrack which I didn't have on vinyl and then they also had the soundtrack for more American Graffiti, the proper film sequel to American Graffiti.

But in addition to that, they had a second soundtrack album for American Graffiti called More American Graffiti. Complicated. Very. And that album is not songs that were in the first movie because I think all of them were on the first album. Right. It is other songs from

the era with interstitial introductions by Wolfman Jack, which I thought was so interesting that there's like an in-universe album that's like another night. Those were the days. Of Wolfman Jack playing records. Yeah. Whatever happened today.

Tell us some tracks. Yeah, tell us some tracks. Irvin Welsh knew a lot of musicians personally, so he could put them in touch with Danny Boyle and be like, hey, just give, just don't charge. You know, or like, just charge us a little bit of money. Can you let this one go? So, Ben, do you want to read some,

you got the soundtrack pulled up right there. Yeah, we got Iggy Pop, Lust for Life. We got a Brian Eno song, Deep Blue Day. Primal Scream did a Trainspotting song. Yes. Like called Trainspotting. Cool. That's not in the movie though, right? Or is it? Deep Blue Day. Primal Scream did a train spotting song. Called Train Spotting. That's not in the movie though, right?

Or is it? The train spotting song? I believe so. Which one is that one? I'm going to fucking play it. What else we got? We have New Order. Blur. We have, like we said, Lou Reed, Perfect Day. We have a pulp song. You gotta have a pulp song. But is the thing ben yes and i think this is important uh left field that's another

you know big electronic act of the time but um is dame danny boyle is the one like like irvin welsh is the one like let me hook you up with iggy pop like i i know those guys sure but danny boyle is like no i also want primal scream blur uh you know pulp i want music from right now like i want the brit pot stuff and everyone else was like i don't know anything about that but he later is like that was a masterstroke because like that is british youth culture when this movie coming out and it helps make this movie feel like it's about british youth culture uh the coolest song on the album is obviously Underworld's Born Slippy, which is the big finale song.

So good. I recommend being like 20 years old and going to any club in Britain. That song will come on and the entire crowd goes absolutely insane and starts screaming, at the end. Wow. So good. I've done it many times.

There are definitely times where I play that in my car and when I get to that point, I'm like, I actually have to skip. Like, the first, the first like minute

is incredible and then when it's just like a little too much noise, I'm like, I think I have to get out of this song. It's so good. It is so good.

And it's a perfect ending, right Griff? Come on. Yes. Wait, what was your look like? Well, maybe we should,

what was your look at the dance club? Did you have a pacifier? Don't make me bring this back. Did you have glow sticks? Did you go... Portoroy blazer. With elbow patches.

Briefcase. The way I fucking dress. Fendic name t-shirt. Because first, I think you would go to... You know, you go to clubs. Because the whole thing in college was in Britain, the pubs close at 1130. So you would like have to go to the club

if you wanted to keep partying, right? And so you go to the club. And in Newcastle, where I went to college... Which is a famous town for dance music. But the whole thing is like, don't you fucking go to the clubs and it's a student on the days you're not supposed to. There was always one club

that was doing a student night every night. So you could always go to one. But if you went to the other ones with the townies they had no time for you i was once called a poof because i was wearing a coat in newcastle where the it is very very cold and i was and a guy was like and i was like what are you saying he's like and i like got close to him and he's like you poof why are you wearing a coat and i was like what it's like 30 degrees outside it's so cold what are you talking about and you're like in some kind of warehouse or just like some uninsulated i believe i was at the the i think it's called the pig and whistle you know it's a famous side anyway but you

know so yeah but no i mean i would fucking god knows what i was wearing you miss it like a puffy vest maybe you miss those days i do miss them no i I do miss them. You don't need this wife. Adidas. You don't need this baby. You know they call it Adidas? You go right back. I should be back in Newcastle going to Digital and see and the tuxedo princess. You need to set up a P.O. box.

You need to put 4,000 pounds in there. No, I mean, it was awful. But fun as well. Yeah. Very jealous. That sounds so cool But anyway Born Slippy if that ever came out Tune is a fucking tune It's the best

And it can never be used again You can't ever do it again Obviously Underworld does the score for Sunshine as well which is so cool And it becomes one of the most used... Yeah, that's right. The guy that collaborated, John Murphy, right? The... We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that.

The big trailer music. Yeah. David Bowie's another one. David Bowie also instrumental apparently in putting the soundtrack together. They get him, and he helps with Iggy Pop and Lou Reed. Wow. Yeah. Pretty cool. Again, David Bowie gets dissed by Sick Boy in this movie. Fucking rude. Sick Boy's just got bad opinions.

I am. I'm interested in... He's got poster's disease. I look forward to listening to you guys talk about Danny Bull. Just because he's so weird. And it's... There's something I... It's like...

I totally get what he's going for. And then I also just kind of don't. Like, as an overall career. We love such a good eclectic filmography like that, where someone's working in different genres, where their misfires are equally fascinating, trying to figure out what they thought they were doing. And Slumdog, which is like, you know, that's like a crash.

That's like a movie that, looking back, it's like, no. It is fascinating how much I am dreading rewatching that movie. I think I'm going to come back around on that one. I was kind of down on it at the time. I wonder, I didn't hate it, but I was kind of like, why is this winning best picture?

Now I feel like I'm going to watch it and be like, you know what? This kind of fucking rules. We'll talk about, but I saw it. I saw it opening weekend, limited release. And I was just like,

this thing is unbelievable. Yeah. And then I saw it like three months later in theaters when it was about to win the Oscar and the second time in theaters it immediately didn't work for me. Like I already saw through it and I have not watched it again since then.

I have a hard time imagining that there isn't racist aspects of the movie just at least through the lens. And also that it's like who wants like to whatever it doesn't matter because that's a million movies away but I look forward to what y'all's conclusions are

but one of those things where you're like oh it's very cool that Danny Boyle won best picture and best director and has Oscars totally

but it's great in retrospect you're like that movie is kind of weird The Beach I love The Beach I love The Beach hell yeah

so do I okay this film's distribution there are different cuts The beach. I love the beach. I love the beach. Hell yeah. So do I. Okay. Okay. This film's distribution. There are different cuts for England and America. How different those cuts are is disputed. British distribution handled by Polygram. American distribution obviously handled by Miramax.

Miramax bought it before they'd seen it. Just I think they were like, well, this is going to be cool. Sounds like money, sure. And they were apparently, were immediately afraid of the Scottish accents being too off-putting. I think they wanted subtitles, maybe. Selective dubbing, I also heard,

to convert some of the accents and slang. That's the Morgan Freeman. Boyle said, there's this great story that the Weinsteins decided to have the film revoiced and that everywhere else it was dubbed into American but we never found

any evidence of that. Oh, no. But the American version of the movie apparently they did like redo their lines a little bit to make it more

normal. This is according to Ewan McGregor. I don't know. It's weird that no one seems to actually know the story on this. Whatever.

The MPAA, I think, may be considered giving it an NC-17. Think of the children. So apparently in the original American cut. Now, whatever. I'm watching it on fucking Starz. I'm seeing Ewan McGregor's dick. Yeah. But maybe they, like, sort of, like,

cut a couple frames there. Okay. A couple inches. Yeah, they just made it smaller. Danny Boyle said he loves the condom moment. Condoms are part of modern life. I'm inches. Yeah, they just made it smaller. Danny Boyle said he loves the condom moment. Condoms are part of modern life. Usually you're unable to film them. Putting you in a silhouette

and showing him pulling off the condom off his cock was great. He's got quite a big cock and he's not shy in that regard. Go off. Could never say that today.

About your actor. The film opens February 23rd, 1996 in Britain and is a huge hit. Yes. About your actor The film opens February 23rd, 1996 In Britain And is a huge hit I almost tried to find the British box office Because I thought it would be fun But I couldn't

I would need to buy an old copy of Screen International Or something It would be that BFI list you mentioned I thought about it I can tell you Jumanji was the number one film in Britain. I can tell you that. I found that out. So people are mostly enjoying Jumanji.

But by the time... But Trainspotting grew. It went up, right? Much like Hugh McGregor's penis. By the time it opens in America, so it opens in America in July, it had made $18 million in Britain, which is a lot of money.

Today, that would be a lot of money. That's a huge amount of money for an 18-rated drug movie. Yeah. I think at the time, it was one of the highest-grossing British-made films in England. British-made, it's possible, yes.

This is, and I wanted JJ to dig this up, so I'm glad about it. Like, Barry Norman, because I was like, can you find me reviews of sort of the old fuddy-duddies? Like, Barry Norman, the king old fuddy-duddies? Like Barry Norman, the king old fuddy-duddy

when I was a kid. He saw a clip and condemned it in his show. He thought it was outrageous. The film was even coming out. Then Muriel Gray writes this article. You reviewed the clip. He had not seen the movie?

I think what the Boyle says, like, I don't know. That's a Boyle quote. I don't know. But Barry Norman hosted film. Sure. It was literally called film. It was the BBC show,

and he was like this guy in a chair with gray hair, and he'd be like, hello, the new films. It stinks. Kind of that vibe. Yeah. And I remember he quit in 2002. He retired.

Okay. And in his retirement statement, he was like, fucking Ang Lee's making a Hulk movie. I'm done. Like, truly, he was like, that was the last straw for me this guy's making a movie about the whole and that was 2002 and he also didn't know that was going to be the the best the greatest film of all time yeah um but muriel gray wrote an article in the evening standard saying this is an important film and in danny boyle's view that was when it was suddenly

like okay the chattering classes started turning in our direction wow like before then the vibe this is an important film. And in Danny Boyle's view, that was when it was suddenly like, okay, the chattering classes started turning in our direction. Like before then, the vibe was like, can you even make a movie like this? And she was the one who sort of like got people

engaging with it seriously. And Jarvis Cocker, the lead singer of Pulp Who Rules, also was like giving interviews where he was like, this is a really interesting film. It's not like some pro-drug movie. It's like, you know, kind of ruined society.

Bob Dole, as we pointed out, did not like it. I watched some Charlie Rose thing with like John Hodge and Andrew McDonald and Danny Boyle. And Charlie Rose was like, definitely not Barbara Walters way. It was like setting up like, and do you think it's okay for movies to show drugs? Like it was like,

obviously their American press tour had this sort of, like, we're going to set up the controversy, make it seem like we disagree with it, just so you can defend it. This isn't the kind of thing you should be showing kids in movies. It's not like, toweling off in front of your assistant,

a thing that's comfortable for everybody. He's, like, fully blacked out as he's talking about it. Drugs are bad. Obviously, all the controversy is also in their favor. The more controversy you're getting, should this even be a movie? People are like, well, I want to see it. I want to have an opinion.

Absolutely. You know, there's that cool Empire magazine review. Hollywood, come in. Your time is up. You know, like, come on. Like, that's the vibe. There's that great Empire review quote that's like, we should double down

on how proud we are about this movie, basically. Let me find it. Yes, if Brits can make, something Britain can be proud of and Hollywood must be afraid of.

If we Brits can make movies this good about subjects this horrific, what chance does Tinseltown have? Yeah. I mean, the other good line from that review is,

transplanting doesn't glorify heroin, it glorifies youth. Youth at its worst, mostly, but youth trying to sort out things as only youth can. That's why it's universal. Absolutely. No, I think it was Miramax. Sorry. Oh, my God.

Jesus Christ. Ebert only gave it three stars. Coward. Even still, that probably was him kind of putting his neck out on the line. Maybe. I mean, he basically, Ebert's review is basically like, this is very stylish. I'm not sure it has anything to say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's positive.

But this movie's performance at the U.S. box office, David. Let's talk about that. Yes. I also want to point out this movie, the book Junk by Melvin Burgess. Has anyone read that? Anyone read that? No. It's a young adult book about heroin use. Okay. That also came out in 96.

That I read. Indelible for me. Shout out Melvin Burgess. Okay. Number one. So this movie opens in American in July. Yeah. July 19th.

Sully would be proud. They did it. You know. But huge per screen average. Eight screens. It's. They planned it to come out 14 days after my birthday. That's what they wanted.

Yeah. They thought about it. Yeah. Ninth birthday. Given two weeks to process before. Yeah. So what do you think is number one at the box office? In its third week, it has made $200 million total.

Independence Day? That's right. 1996, baby! Yeah. Was that big in the UK? Independence Day? They don't have that. It sure was

I saw it at the screen on the green With my dad I was 10 But it's Guy Fawkes Day There That's in fucking November The ship blows up a mask My dad had already seen it

Yeah I remember that And so he warned me During the autopsy scene He was like This is gonna get intense He was like this rules too hard I'm warning you This thing fucking slaps

It owns bones At the box office Griffin Is a Huge hit Film Summer 96 a huge hit film Major movie star Part of his comeback

Mission Impossible? No. Comeback. Comeback. Comeback. Bruce? But it's one of those movies that's absolutely insane that this movie made $104 million. Is it a Bruce movie?

No. Comeback. Travolta. Okay. 96. Michael. 104. Close to Michael?

Oh, the other one. Phenomenon. It's Phenomenon? Yeah. Wow. And it's only made 60 in three weeks so it's got it's got such crazy legs i know it's even that good sandwich with a little bit of mustard number three at the box office is a war drama crazy that this was a summer movie i guess it's a movie star

movie okay uh it's kind of a forgotten movie 96 war but it was a it was a hit like it was a hit what it ended up at it made 59 domestic 100 worldwide it's two big movie stars it's got a famous perform not famous but somewhat notorious performance from a young emerging star oh it's courage under fire courage under fire never seen it you know i almost invoked it earlier in this edward rick film you're saying like well ewan looks so hot. He's just skinny, whatever. It's like, no, but he didn't lose weight and end up looking like Damon. Damon's a great example

of him in that movie. He looks scary. Right, right, right. I see that. Yeah. And then they had the TV spin off Grace Under Fire. Yes.

Exactly. They were closely related, actually. Number four at the box office. Comedy. Dumb and dumber. No, but... Carrie? No, but, you know, like kind of stupid, but also... Really? Comedy Dumb and Dumber No but Carrie No but you know

Kind of stupid But also Brilliant It's a remake Stupid but brilliant Major star It's a remake A remake of an American film

Or a foreign film Yes Remake of an American film With a major star It's stupid But maybe brilliant Huh 96 Is it The Nutty Professor That's right Okay Star. It's stupid, but maybe brilliant. Huh.

96. Is it The Nutty Professor? That's right. Okay. Good job. Thank you. Nutty Professor, which in a month has made $93 million on the way to $128 million. A real comeback for Eddie. That was after two or three flops in a row. That's his big comeback. And he wins the

National Society of Film Critics Best Actor Award. I's his big comeback. Yeah. And he wins the New York, no, the National Society of Film Critics Best Actor Award. I always think about that. He really should have. Did not get nominated? Yeah. Do I have him? You should.

If you don't, you're lying to yourself. It's a tough year. Yeah, I do have him. For what? The Narnia Professor. Oh. On my Oh. David has a spreadsheet for every year what he would nominate in every category. Oh.

That's good. That'll be useful. And it's updated constantly. Tom Cruise, Jerry McQuarrie. Uh-huh. Willie Mitch Macy for Fargo. Good placement. Yeah. He's the lead. No, I know. The Oscars got it wrong. They did. They did nominate him, though.

Put him where you're supposed to. Eddie Murphy, Nutty wrong. They did. They did nominate him. For the hat, but put him where you're supposed to. Eddie Murphy, Professor. Bill Baker Hall, hard eight. Okay, wow. And Ewan McGregor, Trainspotting. Yeah, that's a good five. Harrelson is the cut there. And I do love that performance. People vs. Larry Flint. I do love that performance.

I love that Oscar nomination. And you've self-identified before as a slut for Woody? I do. I love him. I fucking love sluts. I love Woody. He's on these billboards in LA, like him as like a twinkie, like 15-year-old. And like, it's for some like cannabis store.

Oh, oh, it's not a movie. That's not a high concept premise for a movie. No, but I think he partly, it's called like something like get high is in the word. I don't know. But it's like airbrushed to death No it's truly just this picture of him Being like a hot 14 year old And I posted it being like what is this

And everyone was like that's Woody Harrelson What a weird guy Number five at the box office Is the movie that We may do this box office again one day It's new this week It's a horror film it's a flop Is it the Frighteners Wow that was fast We may do this box office again one day. It's new this week. It's a horror film. It's a flop.

Is it The Frighteners? It's The Frighteners. Wow, that was fast. Yeah. No, I mean, look, I love that movie and I also just know what a notorious bungling of a release that was

in terms of putting that movie out in the middle of July and it bombing really hard. 100%. It was a thing where it was like supposed to be Halloween and then they were so happy with how it turned out. They moved it to the summer where it was, like, supposed to be Halloween, and then they were so happy with how it turned out.

They moved it to the summer. It's like, why? They moved it to the summer and, like, made that decision a month before it was going to come out, and they didn't have time to basically advertise it. And they were just so bullish

the thing was going to hit. Very strange. Because it's not an easy sell or title. No, it's a complicated premise. We got it, D. Jackson. And it's Michael J. Fox, but in a very... a role unlike what he'd done before, and then they end up on

this poster image where his face isn't on the poster. Like, the poster image I think is striking in and of itself, but does not sell that movie at all. Uh, yeah, I agree. Have you ever seen that movie, Ben? No. It's so good. You will like it when we do Peter Jackson. Now, the other thing that I want to know. It's like the last

Michael J. Fox vehicle in movies. He basically, he goes to Spin City after that, and then, yeah. But it's like, so other thing that I want to know... It's like the last Michael J. Fox vehicle in movies. He basically goes to Spin City after that. And then, yeah. But it's like, so you got that top four. They're all holdovers. Okay. And then Frighteners is new. And then there's three other new movies.

Six, seven, eight. Fled. Remember Fled? Absolutely do not remember Fled. Stephen Baldwin and Lawrence Fishburne are chained together and on the run. Do not remember that. It's kind of like an action comedy. It's okay.

Okay. In my memory. Multiplicity, which is a real bomb Yeah Opening number seven How hard that movie bombed I'm sure Ben's seen Multiplicity Of course it's funny

Yeah it rolls He makes too many of himself Yeah And they get dumb But also the movie solves the problem That The mistake that most movies make Not enough Michael Keaton

Even the movies Starring Michael Keaton Don't have enough Michaelaton. Even the movies starring Michael Keaton don't have enough Michael Keaton. And the movies without Michael Keaton, Failure to Launch, Multiplicity finally is like, you want like four or five of this guy kicking around. And then number eight, Kazam. Shaquille O'Neal's Kazam opening.

So there's like bombs ahoy this week. Seriously. You have three big movie star movies. But it's like in the middle of a. You have three big movie star movies. But it's like in the middle of a hot Hollywood summer. Yeah. Things are going great. It's just like, you love Independence Day.

Would you love to see Kazam? And people are like, I'll just see Independence Day again. Thank you very much. Kazam, one of the few movies my mother made us walk out of on grounds of artistic disgust. Just, I will not. I don't know if I've actually ever seen it.

I've definitely seen Multiplicity. He's a genie. He's a genie who lives in a boombox. Cool. Yeah. That's pretty good, actually. And it was directed by Paul Michael Glazer. It was.

You've also got The Hunchback of Notre Dame, which I invoked. Yeah, good movie. Number nine. And Eraser, the Arnold Schwarzenegger hit. Oh, yeah. Sure.

I like Eraser. Eraser is fun, which is a, what's his name, Chuck Russell movie, right? Vanessa Williams. Also, Harriet the Spy. A little boring.

A masterpiece. I felt, I found it boring. Harriet? I found it boring. I never got it. I rewatched it recently. So fucking well directed.

I should watch it. Train Spotting goes on to make $16 million domestically over a long run. Uh-huh. Makes $70 million plus worldwide um and uh gets an oscar nomination yeah and danny boyle is off to the race i was gonna say the same thing david i was gonna phrase it the same way what do you think y'all's like thesis statement about danny

boyle is gonna be you gotta find it on the way choose life No I don't know Yeah I guess it is I don't know either But I mean like To me the whole thing with him Is like He is fearless Yeah Not in a way of like He's hanging off of helicopters But in the sort of way Like I don't know

I'll try anything Like I'm not gonna just like Stick to projects that make sense Quote make sense for me Yeah Like something like Slumdog Millionaire especially Is something where you're like

Danny what? No And he's like I kind of have a good vibe and it's like well I'll take my best picture trophy thank you very much you know 127 hours too is that way yeah I want to get to this point of like you know I don't know if we

can we'll reach any greater understanding but like it is such a condemnation of the state of the film industry right now that Danny Bull essentially can't get movies made. Yep. And, like, his last two movies were Trainspotting yesterday. And Trainspotting is him being like,

okay, all right, I'm finally doing. I'm doing T2. And it, like, no one notices it. Everyone, no one realizes that actually happened after, like, 15 years of fans demanding they make that movie. It was part of the COVID haze too, it feels. Yeah. But it was 2016. That's what's wild. No, really?

No, not 16. 17 maybe? Oh, okay. This is what's wild. Yeah. Well, I got COVID in 2017. Yeah. You were patient zero. Yeah. But then yesterday, I remember seeing yesterday and saying to you, David david like why the

fuck danny ball make this and you were like because he wants to make a movie and what else is getting made and it was like oh it's like richard curtis and beatles as a franchise gets danny boyle a green light and that's after he's left bond he almost does bond and it was him being like fuck it i'll finally do a franchise movie he gets fired from that movie for like refusing to compromise his radical ideas about the franchise and now he mostly just makes FX series right yeah which is

the Pistols one was okay I watched that I enjoyed it it looked like it was transponding like fan fiction it looked like it was like and it's just lots of camera movement it It's really, really just big and loud. It's a bummer that that guy can't in perpetuity get

$20 million a year to make whatever he wants. It's a crazy time. He works cheap. He's not an expensive guy. I liked it yesterday. I actually liked it yesterday. I feel like a lot of people don't. You threw out that you... Your two picks were you said Trainspotting or yesterday when I

asked you or the beach I love the beach sure um but yesterday I will say we have me back we have a pro yesterday guest lined up for yesterday okay David and I are not yesterday fans but we have booked someone who is ready to really go to the mat

for yesterday well let them know I'm single I will I only saw it once maybe I'll like it more the second time I was like tired I think it's a plane movie It's a great plane movie I kind of wish I'd seen it on a plane I saw it on the Tribeca premiere

And I was like tired But I was so in the bag for it Like the trailer I was like This is going to be my kind of cheese I want a good cheese. It made choices that I saw it on a good day and it made choices that I wasn't expecting. It certainly makes

choices. And I was, one of the choices, I cried. We can talk about it. We'll talk about it. But I do think movies are going to come back. I hope so. I think that all these streaming platforms are going to collapse 100%. Everything's happening to our eyes. It's happening. We're going to come back. I hope so. I think that all these streaming platforms are going to collapse as we enter our eyes. It's happening.

We're going to enter World War III. To me, honestly, I know this sounds crazy, but it's the JPEG thing where I was like, there's actually some internal awareness,

I think. I mean, there's other stuff going on there, but anyway, we don't need to talk about that. The thing I want is just, you know, new Hollywood happens

because people started supporting those movies financially, right? It wasn't like studios suddenly just wanted to speak to the youth movement. It was because those people were showing up and supporting those films. And it's like, if we could just get like three or four Everything Everywhere All at Once's a year. Yeah. That's enough encouragement for people to keep making these movies.

We can do it. We can do it the thing that drives me crazy is it's been a good year for Hollywood and then it had a weird November where people didn't want to see Armageddon Time and Tar and everyone was like it's over all the Oscar movies it's been a rough go

Tar feels like a European movie the least commercial movies and then the minute the whales started doing well I was like, guess what? People want to see that. Let's see how The Whale does upon expansion. It doesn't need to do that.

I'm just saying, people are like, why is The Whale doing well? I'm like, because you can sell that movie to somebody. Yeah. I mean,

there's a different argument to be had over like, should we be making movies that's like, look at this. The sale on The Whale is just, come on,

you're rooting for Brendan Fraser, right? But it's also like, don't you want to see what this looks like? Because the trailer has like two shots of him. They only ever released that one fucking image they used ever. I saw it this weekend and a couple walked out of the theater. Did you like it?

I did not. Have you seen it? No. I don't like it at all. Yeah, I'm scared. I think I'm probably not. Can I give you my joke review? Thar, it blows. That's good's good thank you he's happy with this he's done this on multiple group chats I've had to read this four times it's up on letterbox there's been good movies I don't like really good movies there's a lot of films I like we had triangle sinus we had tar we had

fableman's we had we had good movies fablemans baby charles thank you for having me thank you for being here uh always a pleasure yeah favorite podcast hey come on get out of here thank you i think that's true fuck up i will say david the the slice and change i ate of this deep dish little caesars felt like i like I fucking ate Narcan. I've been... This is heavy. I don't know how you did it. I don't know. I'm going to...

I mean, when this is done, I'm going to tackle the rest of this and take a nap on the blank check couch. Charles, speaking of everything we're talking around right now, people should watch Search Party on HBO Max, a service that is famous for keeping things up there forever.

I am scared, you guys. I think, you know, let's hope for the best. Let's hope it makes it through whatever rounds are happening. But if for whatever reason you haven't watched it yet, you fool. Yeah. Time might be of the essence. We know nothing. Don't jinx it.

You can buy it on iTunes. You can always buy it on iTunes. You can always buy it on iTunes. Physical release? No, there's been no... Well... I think... I don't know.

I got it... I don't know. I have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. No, yeah. Watch it. Watch it while you can.

Watch it. Yeah. One of the great shows. You're one of the great people. Thank you. Look forward to having you on again. Thank you. I look forward to doing Yesterday with that other person.

Yeah. I'll tell you who it is. It's a good person. Long overdue on the show. David, once again, give him the punch. Let's cross. No, I don't know. Thank you all for listening.

Ringo Starr. Yes. Long overdue. Peace and love. Peace and love. I guess I'll set it out. Ringo Starr, huge blankie. What's this movie about, mate?

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