Blank Check with Griffin & David - Wonder Woman

Episode Date: June 5, 2017

On the week of it’s release in May of 2017, Griffin and David discussed the newest release in DC Extended Universe: Wonder Woman. Recorded at the Sims’ residence in Brooklyn, NY.

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What does this remind me of? Ooh, one W, two W's. Are we going to a website address? No third W. It is, in fact, Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman. And I see the W's are bolded.

That's what I was saying. Right, yeah. But also, did you see that they didn't do character posters, and instead they just did, like, a poster for courage? Okay, you're saying that to me right now, but look at what I got right here. Character poster, Robin Wright. That's true. Experiencing the MiMAX 3D with Robin Wright and a sword. now but look at what i got right right here character poster robin wright experiencing

the mimax 3d with robin wright and a sword and gal gadot and connie neil okay can we before we record this i know we're recording now before we get deeper into this episode by the way everybody hi my name is griffin hi my name is david this is a podcast called blank check with griffin david we are hashtag the two friends this podcast is usually comprised of miniseries. Sure. Filmographies, directors who had a massive success early on in their career, given a series of blank checks to make whatever they want. Sometimes those checks clear.

And sometimes, David, pains me to say it, but sometimes those checks bounce. Hey. But sometimes you do one-offs. Mm-hmm. And we've been sort of kind of quietly off to the side building this little mini series out of steak one-offs yeah the the d c e u i hate that it's called that i don't you hate that it's called that you have no idea how much i hate that it's called that it is an extended universe because they couldn't call it the DCCU

because then it sounds like you're stuttering. Right. Why not just call it the... DCU? DCU. Yeah, that's what they should have called it. I think they want it to sound more different than MCU. And I guess then it's just the Detective Cinematic Universe.

Yep. Detective Comics Universe. Right. right yeah why not just whatever whatever it's called that yeah and boy i mean if you're if you're a fan of detective comics you're gonna love the detective work on display in this movie so we we've been covering bvs the famous lost episode it was batman versus superman we just decided I think it was like I saw it and I just said to you and Ben. No, no. You got to do.

We were definitely talking about it in the ramp up. Right. Because before you went to see it, we were like, should all three of us go together? Because I was like this. Something something's about to happen. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. We could see it on the horizon.

We recorded an episode. It was lost. You got you got the best part. You got the best parts of it. We recorded an episode. It was lost. You got the best parts. You got the best parts of it. Probably our worst episode. Griffin v. David, Don Benducer. Yes. An episode in which we were supposedly going to talk about Watchmen as well.

And then an hour in, we were like, oh, we're not going to talk about Watchmen at all. And then all of that was lost to the sands of time. But then, of course, we did Suicide Pod, for which we won our first. I think that was our first Obie, right? For Suicide right for suicide that was the second obi i forgot about that yeah we did suicide pod you painstakingly made avatars for all of us in the suicide uh squad yeah uh website yes uh and so we thought new dc eu movie this point, we've got enough of a narrative going on here. Our fans, our blankies would want to hear us discuss the new DCEU film. And at this point.

And there's just something about this, as opposed to, say, your Marvel, your manicured, well-made, sort of efficiently run. Correct. Franchise. franchise right there's just something blank checky about it yeah even though you know i mean zach snyder's had the blank check for the first two movies in the series and then suicide squad definitely feels his kind of imprint of the visual style that he established in his two movies there is not you know i mean famously there's not a kevin feige figure with the same level of control creatively. Well, apparently now Jeff Johns is doing that. But he was also involved in the early movies that people didn't like.

And now they're just promoting him more. I don't know, but there's something very like pointed about how they've been making these movies and trying to make them stand in opposition to Marvel, which are the biggest movies and being like, Hey, you know those things that everyone likes. Let's make our own versions of that,

but make them different than the things that people like about. You know what I'm saying i do and i think that's almost the argument for the dc universe is like they're trying so hard not to be marvel right that there's something kind of interesting they're in their angsty teenage phase right teenagers are weirdly compelling even though they suck in their little shits i mean nano steel and batman versus superman are both compelling movies in in their ways suicide squad is is is tougher it's not really compelled it's only compelling in a way where you're like i i can't believe it yeah yeah like i put it on tv the other night and joanna had never seen it and she was like yeah i kind of want to keep watching but then at a point, you do sort of fall off.

After you hit the 17th song. The 17th needle drop. No needle drops in this movie. No, none. It helps that it was before the invention of the phonograph. Right. But yeah. So this movie is called Wonder Woman.

OK, so we're here to talk about Wonder Woman. It's the newest DCEU movie. And let's say right now we're recording this. A Patty Jenkins film. Yes, explain the sound quality of this episode. we're recording patty jenkins film yes explain the sound quality of this episode we're recording this episode in david's apartment yes because right now we saw an early screening we're recording this on may 24th the film will not come out until the first week and all fucked up because of his schedule my schedule is crazy yep

folks i said it once i said it again no one should ever make a tv show so we dashed well actually i think the episode in which you said that is going to air after this one well then here you go here's a preview so we just dashed from my house to okay but actually if that episode hasn't come out then let me preface that statement a little more sure having a great time show's going great i think people are gonna love it it's gonna sound terrible otherwise show's going great i'm really proud of it i think i think you're all gonna love it that had been said no one should make a TV show. Too much work. Agreed.

Too much. I hate that you're making a TV show. You hate it. I'd rather you were just like a miserable single person doing nothing. Yeah. And I keep on telling them, I'm like, hey, can I give David some of the work? And they're like, nope, all the work for you. I don't think I would.

You got to do all the work. They sound like smart people. I'm like, what if I did the acting? I don't think I should be doing any of the work. I said, what if I did the acting, but David learned my lines? And they're like, that wouldn't accomplish anything. How do you learn lines? Yeah.

Actually, seriously, because I actually don't know how people do that. Okay. At this, at this point, I don't know if I want to, I don't know if I want to say this on Mike. Cause it's one of those things where you wonder if you're going to sound bad or good when you say this. At this point, you're good at it. I kind of just have it as a muscle now. Sure. That's good.

Like when I used to be, Oh, i'm the shitty assistant in this thing i would like the night before take my like four lines and i would like write them over and over again on note cards until i knew them backwards and forwards and i knew every word and this and that like now i just like right before the scene i go okay let me look at this again and i like cram it in i remember when i was learning to drive i was so focused on shifting gears because i learned to drive on a stick um and i was just like oh god i barely know what else i'm doing i'm so worried about just getting the gears right and then like you just think like how will i ever get over and then eventually you're like oh it's easy now and i can and like to me the idea of

acting i'm like i would just be so obsessed with not getting the lines wrong that I can't even imagine like making a decision I mean here's my quick answer we're not going to talk about this for 45 minutes just talk about it okay yeah no no uh read the script when I get it absorb it think about it a lot I'm sorry that I asked this actually genuinely I know I know um but but I have so much to do on the show right hummel brag the star hummel rag you're a star yeah um but i'm in almost every scene and i i have a lot of dialogue and there's a lot of complex stuff and there's a lot of like um you know complex names and you know different heroes and locations and whatever um so if i like try to load everything in in advance my brain will just

collapse right so it's like i know what we got coming up tomorrow when we start that scene now i'm really kind of locking into it you do your kind of rehearsal where you're figuring out where you're going to move and that helps me a lot sure because then i start remembering like oh you say this line on this step you say that line when you pick up that thing sense blocking is important right so then in the time between when we blocked it and then they go to light and I have some time, I, you know, kind of burrow away, stare at intensely, lock it in. Do you have sides that you like keep on you? Yeah. Okay.

So I hide them in my super suit. Everybody does that, right? Most of the time. If you have costumes, you'd like put them in your pockets. I don't have pockets. So what I do is I take the zipper, my super suit, and I zip it down and I hide it underneath my chest padding. That's amazing. Yeah.

All right. So Wonder Woman. Wonder wonder woman oh yes i'm a superhero that's the point so i can give an extra opinion here i hide sides on my body uh so this is the fourth film in the dc dceu which is now four years old yes because they have been progressing at an extremely slow pace because they did not really know no man of Steel was older than that because there was time between Man of Steel and BVS. There was, I know, but I think Man of Steel was 2013. Yeah, four years old. Oh, wow. That's what I said.

Right. It's Man of Steel 2013. Oh, and then two last year. That's what it was. Two years and then in 2016, three years, right? Right. 2016, we get Batman vs. Superman and Suicide Squad. This year, we get Wonder Woman. And in November, we're going to get Justice League. Justice League.

Now, this felt like a real fulcrum movie because, you know, look, DC fanboy is going to love what they're going to love. But by and large, court of public opinion, these movies are not tremendously well-liked. No. They don't make money, though. Bad reviews. Bad reviews. But that's only because Disney's paying. Bad word of mouth.

Disney pays through the nose. God'm so rich yeah oh let's mention uh this well this episode is sponsored by disney yeah thank you disney thank you disney no no it's actually not because we like the movie yeah so i guess like finally warner brothers outbid disney yeah finally yeah but previously up until now disney's been paying for this whole podcast there's so many ideas that are annoyingly prevalent one of which is that some studio would bother to pay film critics any money to give good reviews yeah they're the whole point of their operation is to not care about us guys those people as you guys all probably who spin their theories they should spend one day on a set and one day in the office of any sort of

publication or website right yes you know and just be like oh you just realized no one day in the office of any sort of publication or website. Oh, yes. You know? And just be like, oh, you just realized no one knows what the fuck they're doing and no one cares. And the other thing is the idea that Wonder Woman is, like, not being advertised properly. Sure. Because, like, Warner Brothers is sexist. They want it to fail. They spent a lot of money on the movie.

They want it to make money. Also, this movie looks very expensive. I think it costs them like listed budget $120. My guess is more. So this is only the second film directed by a woman with a budget over $100 million in history. Yes. And the first is K-19, The Widowmaker. Which we'll be covering very soon on this podcast.

We'll be covering that very soon. There was some controversy because some websites list that movie's budget as $90. However, when it was made, part of the selling point was that it cost 100 mil. Correct. And that a woman was directing it. This is the first summer tentpole movie ever directed by a woman. Yeah, that's nuts. Live action.

That's nuts because K-19, I think, was like a fall movie or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's crazy. That's crazy. That's nuts. and that's one of the many things riding on this movie you have a dc universe that has gotten mixed responses at best made money but it feels like okay that's sort of you're selling the product you know people like the characters but at some point are you going to lose that fan support will they stop showing up

because fool me four times shame on you of course Of course. Right. At a certain point, you might you know, the wheels might come off. Right. You have the last of the real kind of hugely iconic for sure. A list superhero characters. Marvel's gotten all their huge characters. I'm not even talking about like you know, Thor and Iron Man. We're talking about the like the top tier

of like Americana. It's not 3DC or Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. Right. And the top three Marvel are like the X-Men, Spider-Man and wonder woman right in the top three marvel like the x-men spider-man and i'd say spider-man wolverine hulk fair i'd say those are the three biggest ones they have right captain america is sort of was never that beloved as a character but iconography but now he's gotten better yeah it's out the fantastic four which would be to me the only other yeah possible uh argument but this movie has that weird kind of vibe that first spider-man superman batman had you know prior to even angley hulk where people are like this is a huge character

first superman is 78 yeah first batman is 89 spider-man 2001 oh two and then hulk's 03 um yeah so it's it's taken this long i mean obviously there have been many shots at wonder woman it's a tv show there was a later recent david e kelly pilot have you ever heard about that starring adrian palecki adrian palecki in which apparently there was a scene where she was in her pajamas like watching tv and eating popcorn and being like god it's just no single guys and like you know like that bad it was a lawyer by day, Wonder Woman by night show, right? Wasn't that the conceit? That was the idea.

Yeah. It's back in the day when these shows like studios are still like, but what's the like procedural element? Yeah. Joel Silver had the rights forever at Warner's before they were trying to do this collective universe. Correct. We got hired to make one in 2005.

Let me actually run this down because there are some good names. Ivan Reitman. Yeah. Director of drafting drafting back in the 90s in 96 so it probably would have starred schwarzenegger if it was it right right right uh then it went to john cohen uh who was doing it for john cohen's a screenwriter oh okay um he co-wrote minority report um uh but i think he's the one who wrote the first draft that Scott Frank created. But for Joel Silver, Sandra Bullock was attached. Makes sense. Angelina Jolie was considered. Makes sense.

Obviously, a zillion other people were mentioned, like Catherine Zeta-Jones, Megan Fox. Right. Anyone with dark hair. Rachel Bilson. Exactly. Right. In 2001, Sandra Bullock said she was approached. There was an actual screenplay written in 2003 by what's it called?

Cohen and all these other people. Then that all gets swept aside. In 2005, Mark Warner Brothers and Silver Pictures announced Joss Whedon, the Buffy guy. He's going to write and direct you a superhero movie. I'm being thrilled, because he was writing Astonishing X-Men at the time, and that book fucking ruled. So good. And there was this thing of like, why won't they let Joss Whedon make a

superhero movie? Like, you were reading these X-Men issues every month. It was like this big uptick in Marvel sales, and they were like, this guy knows how to write ensemble superhero action. And honestly, he wrote out he on his old fan website. We didn't ask. I remember he like the thing came fell apart two years later.

Yeah. He couldn't crack it. He couldn't crack it. But he said that essentially he had presented them with his idea and they were like, we don't like it. Do something else. And he could just never find another way. Right.

His idea. I could probably dig it up if I go. It sounded pretty fun. The rumor was always he wanted kobe smulders yeah and that's why she got the sort of uh thanks for playing maria hill in the avengers movies but uh marina bakar and a lot of right like his former collaborators christian hendrix i think uh charisma carpenter she would have been old i mean there's no way she would have done that's all bullshit this is wikipedia so you know you can't david borianis uh sure then silver buys a spec script by some other guys set during world war two now you know the story about this spec script right he liked it but didn't want to do a period piece incorrectly well we'll go ahead what i heard happened is he didn't like the script sure but by not buying it they could

sue to say that they came up with the idea to do it in world war ii if they ended up making that film so he bought the script in order to have those rights to protect himself from a future lawsuit uh-huh uh-huh because i mean look this movie ended up being set in world war ii and no one else was writing world War II drafts. So they had to like buy it to cover their asses. But then that got a lot of news and people thought, oh, they're going to make this version. Right. Was never the intention is what I have understood.

This is a World War I movie to be clear, not a World War II. Oh, yes. Sorry. Yes. But this script was World War II. Yes. Then it bounces around. It keeps bouncing around. Paul Feig like pitched them hard on like kind of an action comedy version of it post bridesmaids yeah i mean thank god that didn't happen i guess i mean no offense you need to make the real version before you make the agreed i mean this

is the problem and it's the problem with the david e kelly pilot it's like just do a fucking superhero it doesn't have to be about like balancing life and work with some sort of post-modern take i mean, fucking what's his name? Nicholas Winding Refn was always saying it was his dream to make a Wonder Woman movie. And he had this whole take on it where it's like, you got to make a meat and potatoes Wonder Woman movie first. We're not ready to do a Batman Begins version of this. I'm trying to keep on winding. Jeez.

The long and winding Refn. The long and winding Refn is right. Michelle McLaren was then hired to direct this movie. geez, the long and winding reference. One in reference is right. Um, Michelle McLaren was then hired to direct this movie, which they knew. Now we're making a DCEU and coming up nice and fast is a wonder woman movie. And Michelle McLaren had just directed. She directed many episodes of TV, but she had just directed Ozymandias.

Yes. The sort of big, not finale episode, but best received episode of Breaking Bad's final season. She was a woman. I think that Warner Brothers was very interested in hiring a woman to direct the movie, obviously. And let's not, you know, let it not go unmentioned that there was a bit of a like, OK, Marvel and DC. When is one of them?

Right. There's this arms race where it's like, no, you haven't done one movie with a female lead. And you haven't made one movie with a female director. And it's like one of them is going's this arms race where it's like no you haven't done one movie with a female lead and you haven't made one movie with a female director and it's like one of them's gonna do it first so one of those kind of planted their flag and was like we're getting wonder woman out before marvel makes captain marvel and we're gonna hire a woman fuck you yeah no they were trying to be like hey it took you guys 10 years and it's right only take us three whatever like that was their whole pitch anyway they hire michelle mclaren she eventually drops out to do quote-unquote creative differences and everyone starts pulling at their collars being like oh my god like every single dc movie

this seems to happen like micromanage michael yeah they can't hold on to a director people make fun of kevin feige or whoever but at least yeah like the movies out. Gets the job done. They hire Patty Jenkins. Patty Jenkins. And have we confirmed this? Her second film? It is her third... Okay. Second film.

It's her second film. She made the film Monster in the year 2003. She made... She was the second assistant camera on A Modern Affair. Oh, that's what I was trying to remember. That tripped me up. Okay. Yeah, she made Monster in 2003 basically out of nowhere.

She has no other credits. Crazy. Which is, in my opinion, we were talking about 2003, basically out of nowhere. She has no other credits. Crazy. Which is, in my opinion, we were talking about it after we saw Wonder Woman. A great movie. Yeah. A great movie. Has done a lot of TV since then.

You know, directed a lot of the first season of The Killing, which people was into, which kind of got her back on short lists. She started getting mentioned a lot. She directed the pilot of The Killing, which got her an Emmy nomination. Right. She worked on Entourage. She worked on an Arrested Development episode. Interesting. Not one involving Charlize Theron. Yeah. But maybe that's why Charlize Theron then was in it.

She worked on the Sarah Silverman program as an actor. Weird. Weird. But the big thing was that Killing pilot. The Killing pilot. Which then led to her getting hired to direct finally a woman directing a superhero movie it is called thor the dark world that's right and she was on that film natalie

portman apparently in her contract has some level of director approval right pushed really hard for patty jenkins they hired her creative differences sure she's out the door replace her with alan taylor yes natalie portman was apparently very angry and that's why she's not in the new Thor movie. Any more Marvel movies ever. Ever again. Bye-bye. Which is funny, because Thor The Dark World literally ends with, like, don't worry, Natalie Portman, we're going to stay together. Yeah.

And that's that. And then in Avengers 2, he's bragging about how his girlfriend's the best. He is. They have that line. Yeah. But it is, it's very indicative of the sad state of affairs that they're like, okay, who's the most qualified woman to direct a superhero movie? The woman who almost got, which is not to say she wasn't qualified because I think she's

proven she's more than qualified, but it's like, you know, this dumb argument they always make. There's no whole argument is like, there's no one, there's no one who can handle this kind of thing, which is silly. You have to take a chance on someone, but guess what? You didn't fucking know Colin Trevorrow could make a blockbuster. Wait, do you have an opinion on that guy? I like him. I think he makes good movies.

You know what? I just, I read the Vanity Fair Last Jedi. Sure. Okay. And you know what I found out that really, really bummed me out. What? Do you know this? No. So for episode nine, they asked Brad Bird. I mean, they asked Brad Bird if he wanted to make Force Awakened. Right said no i'm making tomorrowland and also i guess he was just sort

of like the mojo of star wars is too much for me i can't handle it i think that was sort of what i also know that he was in pre-production on tomorrowland he was he was like hey this is just not gonna happen yeah and he said you know who you should check out though i do know the movie colin trevorrow i do know this i didn't know that okay because the story is even worse than that didn't he then add and and that that indian character in uh safety not guaranteed wasn't racist he said that too there there was a i loved it when the babysitter got murdered i approved of the high heel i'm trying to think of shit colin trev wrote things. Kathy Kennedy was pursuing Brad Burke really hard. He was, by all accounts...

Such an obvious choice. Was all accounts the first choice and was the guy they really wanted to get. Hire him for episode nine. Agreed. He's a technician. Agreed. He'll just take his dick out and put it on the table. You know you're laughing, but you know it's true. Yeah. You'll just take it out. Yeah.

This is a little middle-aged dick what are we doing with our lives i don't know what this is all right karen sorry brad bird brad please make the star wars and he said i cannot make the star wars i gotta make the tomorrow land sure and they said please brad push tomorrow and back make it after star wars and he said i cannot make the star wars i gotta make the tomorrow land sure and they said please brad push tomorrow and back make it after star wars and he said i gotta make the tomorrow land now because of brit robertson's only getting younger the window is limited she's only believable as a 12 year old for six more years um so then kathy kennedy was like what about this though what if you directed tomorrowland and

we had someone else prep force awakens sure who you hired to be like a surrogate and prep and when tomorrowland ended you jump in what is there anyone you trust like this and he said well there's this young guy who reminds me a lot of me his name's colin trevorrow wow and so she was like okay let me check this guy for a little bit they were like trying to see if it would work and that's when she really saw colin trevorrow when he was maybe kind of like he must have been making jurassic world it was before that because then i think she recommended him to her husband frank marshall producer of jurassic World. All right. Look, this sucks. It's all Brad Spurr's fault. And it just makes me sad because he's one of my favorite directors.

Look, the point is the audio sounds bad because we're recording in David's apartment. Because we've seen this movie early and Ben has not. Oh, boy. So we're sorry that Ben's not here. Ben's not here. Producer Ben's not here. Yeah. The Ben-dooser's not here.

Oh, God. here and it's not here producer ben's not here yeah the ben deucer's not here the poet laureate mr haas the haas mr positive mr positive the peeper the tiebreaker birthday ben air finest film critic the fart detective the meat lover fuck master it's not professor crispy seeming the street twist from a hearty hella fennel to graduate to certain titles over the course of different miniseries such as there Bruce Ben Kenobi, Kylo Ben, Ben the Tromelon, Ben Tate, Ben, you say Ben anything? Ailey Ben to the dollar sign. And Warhawks. Warhawks.

And that seems to have gone over well. People like it. I'm very happy about that. He is not here, so let's not talk about him again. Okay. So the scripts based, the based by Alan Heinberg, who's a comic book writer, but also a TV writer. Started out as a TV writer, wrote for OC,

then he wrote Young Avengers, which was a great series. A very great run he had on Young Avengers. And I'll say this, Young Avengers kind of was the forefather to a lot of what Marvel's doing now. It was the more sort of progressive agreed teenage protagonist no no first first like kind of big gay couple in the marvel universe between hulkling and wiccan true it was a great book um and they cast gal gadot okay so we need to get this out of the way how the fuck do you say her name i think it's gadot i used to always think it was good though because i go with french

pronunciation my mom's French. I always defer to French. But she is not French. She's not French. I was wrong. I believe it's Gal Gadot. She's Israeli. Here we go. I looked it up. Here's Gal. Gal Gadot. My name is Gal Gadot. I'm obviously Israeli.

Okay. Gal Gadot. Gal Gadot. Gadot. And get ready because we're going to Gal Gadot upon her yes we are uh she won the role over ella d young and olga korean kurylenko olga kurylenko yes uh who i swear to god those two have just been head to head every day like sort of like yeah uh central asian beauty like how do you describe your asian she's russian she was in like hitman and quantum of solace and uh max pain correct and a lot of video games to the wonder she is into the wonder that's right she won best supporting twirl in that movie she did do some

twirls um but anyway gal gadot who had been in the fast and furious franchise so she's one of my best friends she plays giselle i love her it was very sad when she died agreed i mean four five six she's one of my favorite characters in the franchise i mean i'll admit when she was cast yeah i was like oh okay you know she's kind of a badass in those movies but like can she act like she was a foreign mrs rayleigh mrs israel right i'm sorry mrs israel and then yeah audition for quantum of solace for the olga korenko part it's true she lost that casting director said hey let me throw you a little fast and furious instead that's right her part grows in the franchise she forms one of the sexiest screen couples in history between her and sung kang as han solo i hope they fucked oh god i hope they

fucked oh my god uh they're beautiful together yep uh they died together it's tragic and then i was always like secretly kind of not secretly but i was like a fan of hers and felt like she had she had more than she was showing us and then so i was less skeptical than most people with the wonder woman thing but probably a lot of it was my libido talking yeah your libido was talking libido uh then she was in batman versus superman dawn of justice a zach snyder film about batman and superman but what if they fought for a second yeah um what if they were kind of pissy to each other for most of the movie then fought for a second and then forgot about it that movie is like a prequel it's like an origin story about how uh justice dawns exactly and at the end of the movie justice does dawn but uh also wonder woman's in it a little bit

a little bit and people were like she's the best part and i was like i don't even think we can judge this yet she's pretty good i guess she's fine she sells the sort of weight of the role right i mean like the iconography whatever but it was like i want to see her really act i didn't feel like i really knew how she played a character yet no it feels equivalent to do it feels equivalent to hawkeye in in thor when he's like i got a shot should i take it i mean it's a little more than that yeah that was that was pushing it when they put hawkeye and thor but we've seen this movie and now uh two hours and 40 minutes into our episode i think we can reveal we're 28 minutes in oh great uh okay so spoiler alert we're about to talk about the movie now sure spoiler alert spoiler alert watch out we will actually discuss the whole movie we'll

discuss the whole movie from here on out so go see it okay spoiler alert it's a sequel to unbreakable yeah i knew you had to do to unbreakable yeah i knew you had to do that unbreakable um ben's not gonna help us with that no absolutely not gonna be happy about this shoddy quality episode spoiler alert this movie rules it's really good it's so good it's surprisingly good i would say i i was overjoyed it was gonna be no this good here's what i was hoping for functionality yeah that was. Yeah, I thought it was going to be okay. Give me some confidence. Give me a perfunctory superhero origin film.

It's a low bar. We're not saying this movie's good compared to Batman vs. Superman or whatever. Right. It's a terrific superhero movie. That's the thing, right. It's a great little movie. I'm really happy about it. The DCEU produced what were probably my number one and number two least favorite movies of last year yeah bad bad so the bar is very very

low yes and i come to this just going just give me something that feels like a movie that's all i asked for is make it play like a movie and then i just every 15 minutes i was like is this getting great i mean it just gets on getting greater and i I got this feeling in your libido, in my libido. Seriously, I got the kind of sugar rush at moments of this movie that I think you and I agree we haven't felt since like Raimi Spider-Man. There's something about how sort of streamlined straight down the middle. They know they're dealing with an important character about heroism. It's about heroism. It's about the concept they're in heroism it's and god damn it she's a fucking hero she's like the way they present this character you're like yeah this is

why superheroes are important whether or not you love this movie right this way makes an argument for why superheroes exist why we need that, why we want to believe in people who have not only infinite power, but also a sense of ethics and morality and obligation, you know, to humanity. Right. And it's, it's pretty touching. Uh, Gal Gadot though. Gal Gadot though. Gadot. I just found out that she was offered a role in Man of Steel, but declined it because she was pregnant at the time. I it would have been the uh the ayat oh yeah the the the villain what's her name is that her name no but now i'm realizing i think she plays the mom

right i don't know whatever the villain lady fiora is the character's name yeah i know i know that i have no idea that's nuts that you pulled that did. And I can pull some bullshit out of my ass. It is Fiora, right? Yeah. It is Fiora who, played by Antje Trauer. Oh, right. It's Antje. I always confuse Alia Azura and Antje Trauer.

Okay. So, yeah, I guess she was offered that role. Didn't take it because she was pregnant. Good call. Good call. Instead got to it cause she was pregnant. Good call. Good call. Uh, instead got to be Wonder Woman. Yeah. And she's a goddamn delight.

Yeah. I mean, this really is kind of like a star is born performance. And the thing I said to you, the, the second the lights came up was she might get kind of fucked by how good she is in this role. You were comparing her to Christopher Reeve in Superman. She owns this so well. And this role is so much bigger than most characters that people have to play in terms of the cultural import that she might have a tough time not being wonder woman for the rest of her life

but guess what she's a fucking great wonder woman and hopefully they let her be wonder woman for decades yeah i mean i hope there's more wonder woman movies she signed a three-picture deal so she has well actually actually they're gonna need to renegotiate with her all right let's make that a 15 picture deal because this is the only character i want to see in movies now i mean i'm just happy they made a good movie i mean it's a good movie and uh it's nice so uh it's good it's good it's also nice how it's good yeah let's talk about we're two friends we're gonna talk about the movie one it's time to talk about the good movie ww baby ww dot good movie yeah for a four error that doesn't lead anywhere starts off in um uh what the hell is it called again back up back up you're already going too

far movie starts warner brothers logo oh but what are they playing they're not playing as time goes by they're playing and already you're like oh right fuck that's what they establish as the wonder woman theme am i gonna have to hear that riff for the entire movie i think they only use that riff twice uh i only remember it twice yeah definitely they don't use it much it's because that's a hans zimmer riff and they, there's a different composer on this movie. He's doing something.

Rupert Gregson. Williams. Who's doing more of a sort of, you know, grand orchestral, not like Hans Zimmer being like, let me fuck with my synthesizers and do weird stuff. And I'll say this, you know,

not like Hans Zimmer. Yeah. There's not like an iconic theme in this movie, but I liked the score a lot. I thought it was a nice kind of sweeping orchestral hollywood score yeah there's the logo and then there's the dc logo where it's like it's trying to do the marvel oh yeah logo but it's like superman batman it's a bunch of green lantern cyborg colored silhouettes and then they back out and you're like is constantine there what's detective chimp doing i gotta say the marvel logo, I think the last time I saw it, what was the last

Marvel movie? Guardians of the Galaxy 2. I'm sorry. Right. I'm sorry. Nice Space Friends again. Nice Space Friends again. Another joke that will be made in the next episode.

Right. And that logo has gotten insane. They are pushing it where they're like, da-da! You know, like, they're just like, they're all here! You need to put Falcon in this? Really? What's the fanfare? It's like, I don't even remember what, like, they're just like, they're all here! You need to put Falcon in this? Really? What's the fanfare? It's like, I don't even remember what, like, the theme is.

Is it the Avengers theme? No, it's a new theme they created. God, it's so over the top. I think they got Giacchino. Sure, that sounds right, actually. He did it for them. To do the fanfare. Oh, God.

But this TV, yeah, whatever. And yeah, like, Captain America, like, throws a shield at you, and you're like, fuck, just give me the movie. And you're like, how like throws a shield at you and you're like, fuck, just give me the movie. And you're like, how many more letters do I have to go? Anyway. I'll say that for DC.

They only have to get through two letters. That's true. Okay, so then the movie starts. True, it does then start. Starts in Paris. She's working at the Louvre. Yeah, she's,

I was like, I almost leaned over and said, this is Da Vinci Code season right here. But then I didn't because we were just crowded screening. I want to be an asshole. And the guy behind me kept going.

Yeah, he kept on doing that. And the guy next to me kept on falling asleep and then he'd wake up and laugh. What? I didn't know that. Yeah, he'd like fall asleep and then the audience would laugh at a joke and he'd wake up. Chris, he didn't want to seem like he didn't get the joke. So the movie does begin in the Louvre. She's chilling out.

She's sort of like an art historian, it seems like. That's her cover, right? I guess so. She's got a sort of room full of antiquities, that's for sure. She's got a room of wonders. She's gorgeous. She's got some high heels, you know, well-dressed. But this is the kind of patina we've seen her in in BVS.

True. Okay. International lady of mystery yes wayne enterprises truck backs up package comes out people carry it over she opens it up lucite case you know i forgot about all this and i remember that i was like oh here we go it's gonna be it's gonna be a fucking hollow call from bruce wayne and like ben affle, like three vodkas in is going to be like, oh, that's right. What's this for a video game? Like for the list. B-roll from Jersey girl for the Lister at home.

During David's impression of Ben Affleck, he would not stop tugging at his collar. It really made the impression. Took a drag of his vape pen and then they rolled camera. Played six hands of Texas Hole. I'm sorry, Ben Affleck. I love you. I hope that you figure it out, whatever it is that's clearly weighing on you, but it clearly is weighing on you. I'll tell you what's weighing on him.

He's got to catch the Joker. Joker is out there, David. Joker's out there up to no good. He's got to catch Slipknot. People ask Ben Affleck why he looks so down on his luck right now. It's because he's got the fiercest rogues gallery out there. March Harriet, the Riddler, Penguin. Solomon Grundy.

Born on a Monday. Let's go deep calendar man i would love it if they just rebooted batman or if like affleck it turned out affleck quit because he was like it's calendar man or nothing and they were like we can't do calendar man don't you want like cat woman he's like no yeah here's the deal i'm only in if Humpty Dumpty is the main antagonist. King Tut. What's another dumb Batman villain? There's so many.

Bookworm. None of those characters are in this movie. So she gets a case and you're like, what fucking Affleck bullshit is this going to be? And what is it? Oh, it's the photograph that he sent her in BVS. Or whatever. So right now we're overlapping with BVS's the photograph that he sent her in BVS or whatever. So right now we're overlapping with BVS. And this was something that happened in BVS. And it's right.

He digs up this photo and you're like, is that Chris? Right. Oh, I guess they cast him in that movie. Right. Because she said, I'm looking for a photo of my grandmother. Right. He finds it. It's like, that's not no grandmother.

That's you. You've been alive for decades. Right. He sends her an email. And you aren't aging. So he sends an email. It's like, what the fuck's going on send this letter send you this letter that's like found your picture would love to hear the story sometime so presumably this home movie takes place before she reunites at the end i guess so of bvs to fight doomsday and then form the justice the the timeline of all that who cares don't have to really worry about it because once she looks at the photo fade in and now boom we're in the movie

guess what leave all that fucking dcu stuff behind because now never comes back yeah never yeah we're not even re-entering america in the entire span of this movie is set in either themyscira uh mysterious brigadoon type island that men cannot find unless they happen to land on it. And London and Paris. France. The front. Yes.

World War I. The front. Here's the thing I immediately love in this movie. Sure. We start with Lil Wonder Woman. Did they dig up a cutie for this little boy? What the fuck? This girl is like clowning. She's adorable.

And it reminds me. She's like, I want to be Wonder Woman. Her mom's like, no, no, no, no, no. But immediately there's like this emotional pull to it. Emily Carey is her name. This girl is very cute. Yeah. But this is the trick that Disney uses.

British actress. Oh, this is the thing I really like about the movie. Yeah. But this is the trick that Disney uses. British actress. Oh, this is the thing I really like about the movie. Yes. They reverse engineered everyone else to sound like Gal Gadot. Yeah, they did. Everyone else is doing a Gal Gadot accent. Everyone on the island has this sort of vague, like, sort of pan-European, like, sort of Israeli accent a little bit. Oh, let's note this before we get further into the by the film.

Gal Gadot, Israeli, Israeli, right? Correct. As a citizen of Israel, everyone must serve their time in the military. In the military. She was a Mossad agent. Nice. Which is badass. Yes.

Cutie patootie girl. And they're so cute. They're Diana. Yes. The princess. Of this of Themyscira. You've got her mom is played by Connie Nielsen. We're going to miss all of this.

Her mom is that person. Nicole Kidman almost played this role. And ended up instead taking the role of Big Little Lies. Aquaman's mother. What? You don't know that? No.

She's playing Momquaman. Aqua Mom. Oh, boy. She doesn't look anything like fucking Jason Momoa. Are you kidding me? Four times the size. Spitting image. They got the exact same body type.

Yeah, you're right. Sorry, I take it all back. Has she gained 100 pounds of muscle? Did she do that? I think Willem Dafoe's the dad and Nicole Kidman's the mom. Willem Dafoe's the dad is fine. Although, I mean, is there a superhero franchise he's not in at this point? Anyway.

Yeah. The Tick. Well, get him on board. I'll announce this. Willem Dafoe's going to play my love interest in season two. So... And then we got Robin Wright. Robin Wright. The fucking Arlielie ermy of the island and tippy and and tia p and tia p her aunt yeah she's the sister she's got a cool scar yeah she's pretty

great actually pretty fucking she's actually true i'm actually just thinking about it now because we just saw the movie yeah she's pretty great she's not in much of it which is why we forgot until now right robin wright's terrific she's really good i love robin i almost wish she played i mean cutting now there's something i want to say about this movie yeah the setup of this movie is exactly the same as moana okay this is what i was getting to i was saying they they pull from the disney playbook yes but it's also not just moana there's a lot of moana here sure but that's i wanted hippolyta to say consider the coconut. That would have been good.

It's been six months since you first made that joke. Consider the coconut. I no joke. At least once a week. Remember that you call that song consider the coconut and laugh out loud. And it's usually like in public. Good. In the middle of a take. Please.

Please. Consider the coconut. Oh my God. Consider its leaves. like in public on public transportation in the middle of a take please please yeah the cold oh my god can see it on its leaves can i tell you something i tried to watch mordecai 2 they made a second mordecai because remember you confessed to me that you had tried to watch it yeah and you know we obviously we i'm thinking about this because we we'd like to have a good laugh about the movie mordecai's existed david and, we love to have a laugh about Mordecai. So I, as a joke, saw it was on Hulu. Yes, that's what I tried to watch.

Ten minutes I made it in. Yeah. It's rough. It really is. It's rough. You know, like the saltine challenge? I think, yeah, where you're like, how hard can this be? Mordecai is the modern day saltine challenge.

Mordecai is one of two movies that i've turned off like 20 minutes in recently the other one was babylon ad which was on hbo oh the vin diesel movie directed by matthew kessler i put it on i was like come on how is this bad yeah it's from a the director of la a yeah it stars my boy vin diesel your toy maker bomb friend from munich exactly yeah i was like come on this has to there has to be something children of men like Children of Men with Vin Diesel. Yeah, kind of. But set in like Kazakhstan. It's so hard to watch. We talked about whoever wrote the AV Club review for Babylon ID has one of my favorite put downs in history.

What's that? Which is like, you know, Mysterious Loner. And that's in parentheses played by Vin Diesel, who for our younger readers was briefly a movie star in the early 2000s. That's rough. That was 2008 and they were like, let's put the dirt on top of the grave and then came back, baby. Gal Gadot helped him to tie it back to this movie. Gal Gadot. Okay, so a lot of these Disney movies, the Disney princess films use the, Hey, opening section, first 10 minutes.

Sure. Little baby version of our character. Cute. Very cute. Very likable. There's a reason babies look so cute. So wolves don't eat them. And it works on audiences too.

Sure. The audiences are the wolves. Right. Right. And we're like just sitting there with our arms crossed going, I'm not going to like this movie. And then a little cute toddler comes up and you go, okay. Nah, she's all right.

And if you have a toddler at the beginning of the movie kind of express their wants and desires then when you cut to them as a grown-up you're like oh but i see that little kid who wants their dreams right so it's the frozen thing it's the moana thing it's the tangled thing but i mean just the moana thing because it's also an island and also she's the heir to the island and also they're like you shouldn't leave we know you want to leave you shouldn't leave we know you want to and she's also constantly considering coconuts wouldn't you yeah she's got a little pig named pua and a dumb rooster named hi hi uh right uh so um early on she's like i want to be a warrior right because everyone here is a warrior amazonian warriors and they're training all of them constantly.

They have like arrows. They have swords. They're on horses. They're doing cool shit. And her mom is like, dude, you're a kid. Don't you want to not be a warrior for a while before war? Yeah. You experience the horrors of war? Yeah. And she just keeps on wanting to get in there.

Fuck no. Yeah. So she's like, let me explain to you a little origin story. Right, this is the shoe leather part of the movie where we go to, they open up a painting. I thought it was fine. I thought it was fine. They got it out of the way. Cool little painting version of an origin story.

I mean, look, they set all this up a lot better than the first Thor movie. Yes, that's true. I think it's all well realized. I like the sense the island feels like an actual lived-in place. The fighting, the training you see, it's like, this is genuinely very physically impressive stuff. The costumes are gorgeous. All the armor is like fucking amazing.

Yep. And then they open up this painting and she's like, let me tell you the story. She goes, I don't want you to fight because you're my daughter. You're the only child we have on the island. Do you know how much I wanted you? Right. I went to Zeus. I wanted you so much that I made a clay.

I made you a clay and I asked Zeus to turn your life. She goes, I know, mom. You told me the story i know that zeus like shot lightning at some clay and made me god boring she's like let me tell you a story and she unfurls a painting and they dive in the painting you get a cgi thing where they go you know here i'm gonna lay it out i'll do it i can do it okay zeus created man correct gods grew envious of man aries we rule yeah because we're so great aries the son of zeus and the god of war hates him so much that he infects man with war and you know whatever fighting the original disease um and uh so zeus creates the amazons yeah to calm us down i guess by being so hot protect us i don't know oh the idea was that they rebel that

men men will will follow what the amazons say to do that they're so beautiful that if the amazons are like don't war then we'll be like okay but not our words this is verbatim the script yeah but then the amazons sort of basically unionize yeah they like rebel against this purpose they're like okay term number one we want an island term number two islands invisible so zeus is like fine i mean we don't really see what the negotiations were like there but then uh things get bad uh so aries rebels goes after all the gods almost takes down zeus yeah zeus kills him they think they think and zeus is like fuck that was bad let me make a weapon for the uh amazon god killer anytime uh aries comes back god killer so this whole time

all the women are kind of like well you know robin wright's like look aries might come back let's train non-stop connie nielsen who i gotta say does not seem like a particularly competent queen keeps being like but counterpoint what if he doesn't i wanted robert white to play the queen as well yes yeah she's just like but maybe not but what if i don't want to think about it yeah uh no so we all know aries may be alive but what this book presupposes is maybe he's not yeah so then uh we get we so we just have a nice little adolescence you know she starts to train she grows up what's the god killer and she's like this sword that's yeah it's in a tower and then she's a grown-up right and guess who shows up oh well as a teenager i'm sorry as a teenager she's like please please and connie nielsen says fine sister you can train her but

you gotta train her harder than anyone else yeah look it's a rapid montage it's fine right but if you're sending her into battle you gotta make her the best of us and then you see this final training thing she's now full gal gadot and she's fucking kicking ass she's unbelievable and they're attacking her and robin wright's got her and she clangs her bracelets together oh my god tidal wave yeah there's like a weird sound boom or sonic boom or something everyone's like everyone's like oh i've never seen that before i'll admit the movie's kind of like yeah don't worry about it but this is almost like the frozen like the ice moment where it's like oh too much power is it people scared connie nielsen's like she doesn't know like what have i exposed her to whatever i like that this opening chunk the movie's very

disney princess where it's just like this girl who dreams of something bigger has the sense of heroism in her heart wants the chance to fight but then my other favorite thing about it is apparently she's read every book in existence she knows everything but like it's not like we see her doing that but it's just like she's read all the books because you expect like okay set up this movie culture clash comedy where she doesn't know anything she knows everything she just acts weird that's what i think is why it works i think there's a lot of needles this movie has to threaten that's one of them and that's why it works because yeah it's getting a lot of fun out of oh culture clash like right she doesn't know what she's doing in the real world but it's not that she's stupid or innocent

no she's just almost like a giant nerd who never left home yes like and so she just doesn't get some things about sort of social graces i mean basically the things she doesn't understand are the stupid things humans do right like get married or like have dances or wear clothes also don't carry a shield around all the time exactly don't have shield and sword in case you need to fucking fight someone but i do love this is like a very dorky performance i'm playing a character this iconic you know and it's not like quote-unquote sweetly dorky or quote-unquote like you know whatever like a pixie nerd no no no no it's a very genuine focus kind of performance

but the thing even this early in the movie i was amazed by was like they're having her laugh a lot and wonder woman is often presented as this very kind of stern, Amazonian goddess, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is like, this character Diana just loves this shit. She wants to be doing it so badly. And when she's testing her strength and all this, she's giggling all the time.

Right. Because it's thrilling to her. And they don't make this character stayed, you know? They don't burden Gal Gadot or the film with sort of, you need the iconic hero shots. They let her function as like a real person. A weird person. She's weird. A weird god person, but a real person who, when something cool happens,

enjoys it. Oh, I just remembered the dick joke. It's so good. Getting close to that. Chris Pine shows up. She's staying on the beach. She's looking after the horizon. Classic Disney moment. And then what comes out of the sky? A plane. A biplane plane who's in the plane chris pine chris pine plane i don't know i don't know she rescues him he's the first boy she's ever seen and boy what a cutie he's a look so we just gotta do five minutes on pine yeah pine's the best he's the best great in this

this guy he fucking rocks in this movie it's almost unfortunate that he's so good but he is yeah because you almost want wonder woman to have an absolutely anonymous love interest right but he's fantastic right and he doesn't overshadow her because she fucking owns this movie do a great job i think balancing the two but they really yeah it's just good pine i mean it's like star trek pine it's great like right like greenwood pine yeah he went down in the middle of forest he chopped down the tallest pine tree they had it's very true he's got an incredible mouth beautiful lips yeah and apparently above average dick i mean no spoilers yet well we're spoiling the movie okay the movie says it's above average. It is canonical within the film Wonder Woman. It's the second superhero movie of 2017

to discuss one of the character's penises. Captain Underpants is the first one? No, Kurt Russell's character in Guardians 2. I know, but that was a good joke. Yeah, it was a good joke. Thank you. One comedy point. Thank you.

You're welcome. Thank you. No, David, thank you. Thank you for the point. Thank you for telling me the joke was good after I asked you to tell me that the joke was good. Look, Vine shows up. He just whips his dick out and just went, no, no. I mean, he's like, what is this island?

A British American spy. Right. And immediately, Connie Nielsen's like, oh, no. Boy, oh, boy. Men are bad. They bring war. These people are awful. There's a whole battle sequence we should mention.

All these Germans come in and discover this. But I feel like she starts saying bad shit even before. What, in the seconds before the Germans arrive? She's like, I don't like it. Get him out of here. Get him out of here. Throw him back. Right.

Then you see on the other side of the invisible wall, they're all searching for him. And they touch their hand to the thing. Jesus, are you going to break the movie down this much? Because the island is hidden. It is yes like brigadoon like brigadoon but and so now now all of them come in yeah and there's a pretty cool battle sequence between the amazon warriors and these gun wielding germans right and it's scary they've never seen bullets it's fucking good actually i think it's a great people are getting shot with bullets it's scary. They've never seen bullets before. It's fucking good, actually. I think it's a great sequence. People are getting shot with bullets. It's pretty organic.

Diana can throw up her bracelets and the bullets bounce off of them. And that is cool, baby. It is cool. Like it. Gonna go buy me some of those bracelets now? That's weird. Don't do that. Gonna do it.

Wonder Woman. No, it's just a nice sequence. You feel like, yeah, like you say, there's something under threat. And Robin Wright gets killed. She does. And it hurts. We haven't been with her for that long it hurts baby this is this is the power of casting good actors in small parts for sure brown rights only been on screen for like i mean we should say all these women are just on screen for this first act yeah yeah like connie doesn't come back that's like oh look here are a bunch of women over 50 playing substantial true roles you're right how old is connie nielsen do you think i guess

50 51 and robin wright 52 51 wow and connie nielsen you know acted alongside your co-star valerie curry in season two of the following i't know that. You should ask her about it. I always think that Connie Nielsen is Mrs. Calloway in Rushmore. Oh, yeah, she is. That's right. She's Rick's mom. Every time I rewatch Rushmore, I go, oh, right. When she was just starting to pop over

to America. That was just when she came over. Pre-Gladiator. She is, of course, a Danish actress. She's a Danish actress. Yeah, she was in Gladiator. She was in One Hour Photo. Mission to Mars. Yes, that's right. Mission to Mars.

The Ice Harvest, which you've always said is good. Good movie. Nymphomaniac. Oh, yeah. Good actress. Apparently, she's going to be in Justice League. So that's cool. That's cool.

I have to go back to the island. Yeah, we have to go back. We have to go back. Yeah, Hippolyta is there. Yeah, so anyway, Pine's here. Remright dies. Big dick. And she says the thing about the god killer, and it goes, what, what?

And she passes away. Yeah, I think she sort of says to her, like, you've got to be the god killer. Get the god killer. And you think she's talking about the sword. Right. Spoiler alert. Wonder Woman's the god killer, baby. It's not the sword.

It's unbreakable. Unbreakable. Actually, the sword's very breakable yeah it is broken very quickly yeah almost immediately um so now wonder woman goes to her mom here's what i like the most what there's well for one there's the one scene where she talks to chris pine about his watch and his member oh let's talk about this scene in depth so uh yeah he's got an average above average penis he's taking a bath she comes in yeah he stands out he stands up and then they look at each other and there's this long kind of silent thing where it's cutting back and forth between the two of them and their eye lines and whatever yeah and she goes so are you an example of an average male

she says are you an average example of your sex okay and he says i he was a long pause long pause and he say i would say i'm actually above average damn right he does and then she looks down and she goes what's that thing and he looks straight down at his wiener and he says that's uh he's very funny that's um oh you're talking about my watch he doesn't say it like that he literally just says that's oh that's a watch like that's he's perfect but there's a moment he's so good at the comedy so good here's the thing i like about chris pine he literally plays this role this is why i liked it yeah as the female sidekick slash love interest of so many of these movies yeah he's kind of nervous talks a lot is constantly frustrated with her and sort of like won't you just do this rational thing that i want you to do like it's sort of always trying to like pull the hero

you know back onto the sort of boring path you know and the hero's like I'm a superhero I can handle this like don't worry about it Chris Pine is my favorite of the Chris's mine too and here's what I like about him a lot though I have a real soft spot for Hemsworth who I feel like is a very undervalued

Chris sure I just think Pine's like a five tool player to me it's pine hemsworth evans pratt yep i stand by that i'd have to think about it yep i just know pine his head and shoulders my favorite sure and this thing i like about him the thing i like about him is we've talked a lot on the show about like very handsome actors some of our favorite boys like colin farrell yeah who are pushed into being men, but they're really character actors and they're only comfortable if they're playing oddballs. Right.

Right. Not so with Chris Pine. And then there are people like Tom Cruise who are good at playing the normal guy. Well, the movie. You know what I'm saying? Right. The conventional hero. What have you.

Chris Pine has this weird like Kurt Russell power where he's able to put. Kurt Russell ask around it. it you know he plays your straight square jawed hero he plays your captain kirk right and he's handsome and he's got blue eyes you know but it always feels like he's a little knowing like he's trying to subvert the tropes even just in his weird line readings or his weird mannerisms yep he's he still lets you get the heroism you want right he lets himself be a movie star sure but he's always thrown it a little off rhythm there's a little odd music a little odd dancing around it yep and in this scene it's like already the way he's acting intimidated by

wonder woman is very similar to natalie portman gushing over thor in the first thor right you know once again improved upon the dynamics in Thor. Agreed. But it is, he is kind of fangirling out about her. He's like, Jesus, you're amazing. Amazing. Please tell me you're asking about my penis. Oh no, it's my watch.

It's my watch. It tells time. And I like that this movie is making some body jokes early on. It tells you the watch because what's that for? It tells time, you know? And she goes, what would you need that for? And he goes, to know when to eat, when to work, when to this. to this like you let a watch tell you what to do yeah i'm an amazon right and he's kind of in love with her immediately from this moment like this is incredible the strongest

minded purest human being and she saved his life and she just seems to know what's up so she goes what's going on because i'm going to battlefield this and that here's this war what war the worst war yes he tells her about world war one and she decides this is aries is doing right he has returned and i have to stop him i'm going to disobey my mother much like moana did her father yes but here's what i like agreed so she goes she starts testing out her powers you see her climbing the rock while this fun scene where she's smiling then she takes the sword she takes the shield and then you see the reflection the armor the lasso the lasso then you see the reflection, the armor, the lasso,

the lasso of truth. Oh, right, which they used on Chris Pine and we've established that's a great scene. And that's a scene where you see why he's a fucking good actor

because he's got to deliver a lot of exposition about who he is, but he never stops playing the lasso hurts. I agree. It's a good scene. A lot of actors

would drop the lasso hurts. No, I agree. I agree. Because now it's getting wordy. I'm just going to forget to play the lasso. Yeah, you're right. But the lasso burns a little, but it makes people tell the truth.

It does. She gets all the stuff. Then you've seen the reflection. Oh, shit. That's the Wonder Woman armor. You think we're about to reveal her in Wonder Woman armor? No, she's put on a big black coat. She has.

And you don't see it for like another hour. You don't see her until the big hero reveal. Which is great. Which is great. Which is great because when you see her in the armor, it really fucking counts. So now she's got this big black coat on and she's going gonna go out in the middle of the night in her sailboat with chris pine but then what happens david your favorite thing in the movie i mean i guess so it's just i love that hippolyta just comes out and says i get it i know you got you gotta go

you're grown up i get it be careful out there i love you rather than like a whole sequence where she like escapes and it's like her defying you know i just like that they're like no look they get it like she knows yes it's good that's all about the whole movie goodbye robert david has dropped the mic on the table it'll do it it'll make a noise it's david's own mic so he doesn't want to damage i don't want to do it uh she sells away yeah and there's so many cute bits on the sailboat a lot of bits okay so this is great this is so great i was giggling a lot and it's the great kind of movie giggle where like i'm giggling because

you're happy it's funny but i'm also just so overjoyed by everything and this movie is charming i can't believe that you deigned to do that. It's so embarrassing. But this is the moment where I really kind of went like, God, their chemistry is so good together. And the relationship is so cute because it's like, A, it's this inverse power dynamic, which we've never seen movies where it's just like, this guy is so in awe of this woman. Right. And not in this weird like coveting her kind of like, oh, homina, homina, homina way. But he's just like god

this is an impressive person and then so she's like what you don't want to sleep with me and she's like on the bed and he goes over the corner of the boat and hides behind a rope and he's like well you know my culture it means something you know it's impolite if you're not you know to assume because you don't want to and she's like what's marriage and he's like you go before a judge and say you'll obey and love and honor and she's like does that work he's like not really most of the time no and then she's like say oh she figures it out she's like oh you mean like the pleasure of the flesh yeah i know all about that he's like oh and she's like yeah i mean our scholars have decided doesn't matter right i read 12 volumes on that right they said you know i know everything about it at this

point he invites her she invites him over to sleep next to her. So they're lying next to each other. Faces really close together, having this awkward conversation, talking around the abstract concept of sex. Sure. And she's just like, oh, yeah, no, I'm from an island of women. We just realized, like, you don't need men for any kind of pleasure. He says, can I read those books? And she said, you won't like them.

Right. We realize men aren't good for pleasure. And he goes like, well, that's not true. Not always true. And then they just lie fully clothed next to each other on a boat show up in london hold on hold on i just want to say fully clothed sleeping on a boat non-sexually my number one sexual fantasy go on you're disgusting i hope to never have sex with you i want a wonder woman so badly i want to find my steve trevor uh steve wonder woman on a boat um okay so now they land in london england london bfg did you listen back to the episode i did i was so amused every time

i said that i'm sure other people were it was actually really good jay now david let me ask you have you ever been to london uh yeah i up there. Really? Yeah, from the age of 9 to 22. We should talk about this on the podcast sometimes. I lived in London, England. So how would you compare this depiction of London to where you grew up? Well, I said about 100 years earlier. Okay. So it's a little smoky.

Sure. A lot of factory and coal fires and all that stuff we see an escape artist on a street corner see a man in chains and a straight jacket trying to free himself of chain in the 19 teens harry codini style you've got you go under tower bridge uh david when you lived in london when you any wonder women no um you left too soon i guess i guess so or got there too late i don't know yes no the only woman they meet is lucy davis of the office fame dawn from the office as edda candy is that see i'm not actually very good on wonder woman i have never read a wonder woman comic in my life i've read read some, but not much. I've read comics she's in.

She is a character. She is a character. Commonly the best friend of Wonder Woman. Okay. Steve Trevor's secretary, but very quickly starts to align herself with Wonder Woman because she's like... This person's great. This woman has similar views.

I'll admit, when I saw the trailer, there was like some bit where she's like, I wouldn't mind a bit of fisticuffs if it comes to it. And I was like, fuck. Fuck this joke. I was like, Jesus Christ. mind a bit of fisticuffs if it comes to it. And I was like, fuck, fuck this joke. I was like, Jesus Christ. But in the movie, it works. In the movie, it's fine. But in general, also the movie has been fun up until then.

Rather than it's not like Lucy Davis falls through a wall and is like, you know, it's good. But I remember when I saw the trailer, I was like, oh my God. But doesn't that joke happen in the context of like, you know, I wouldn't mind a bit of fisticuffs, although we should get the right to vote first. Like there's it's sure she's making something larger. Yeah.

She says, like, we don't women don't really fight. We use our integrity, which is how we'll get the vote. Yes. Right. Right. Right. Right. Exactly.

She's funny. But then they take her on. They got to try to teach her how to sort of fit into society. But what I like is they don't do too much. No, they do like five minutes. They're fun five minutes. It doesn't turn into some like comedy of manners where Wonder Woman has to go to a wedding and like she accidentally like, you know, whatever.

There's a fun sequence where they bring her to like, I'm trying to think of like a good bit. Like someone throws the bouquet and she's like, no, I don't know. Like whatever. Well, and the thing I love is they don't just make her best. Like she does have this childlike like joy and curiosity about everything where she sees a baby and she's like a baby because there are no babies on her island. Steve Trevor's like that one ain't made out of clay.

Well, what he means it's made out of jism. We're getting close to my favorite moment in the entire movie, which I'll get to. I'll tell you in a second. But there's this now there's clothing montage where they try to put an outfit on her try and dress her up because she looks crazy yeah they want her inconspicuous uh and so they put all these outfits on and she's like i can't kick in this is the best moment of the i can't punch in right so she can't deal with this dress she can't deal with this corset yada yada yada right she's generally again one of the things i enjoy is that she's always just she's like why the fuck do you do this thing it seems stupid that's counterintuitive

and no one ever has an explanation past like well that's what just what we do she's very practical and she doesn't understand these sort of like social mores like they don't make any sense to her why not do the thing that that makes the most sense right i want to kill aries let me kill air yeah she's like aries has started the war let's just go to aries right there's a war going on that's what Ares does. Let me find him, kill him. And Steve Char is like, it's complicated. There are like treaties. Yeah, he's like, what are you talking about? There's like 400

miles up front. Yeah. And she's like, let me just get there. We said this is at the end of World War I. World War I is drawing to a close in this movie. Right. England's negotiating like surrenders. Yes. The armistice. Yes. But she gets out and now she's got the right suit she's got kind of this she looks fantastic she looks phenomenal

she's got this black coat to the floor and this hat and the blazer and she's got like kind of a reasonable skirt on where she still has leg flexibility and all this she's not wearing pants maybe she's wearing i can't remember but we just saw it yeah we just saw the movie and yeah we said this to your girlfriend Joanna when she was when we were talking to her before we started recording no spoilers to tell her what we thought of the movie true and I said it was one of those movies and this is the best

compliment I can give to a movie like this one of those movies were well while I was watching it I kept on thinking man I can't wait to watch this again yeah like it wasn't even over yet and I was like I'm gonna have fun watching this scene a second time. So what's your favorite part? Well, it's not the one you think I'm gonna say, but that's my second favorite part.

What? They put the outfit on her. Right. And Chris Pine's like, you were supposed to make her look innocent, but she's gorgeous. The most incredible person I've ever seen. Yeah. I'm in love with her. I'm in love with her. I'm in love with her. Right. Above average penis. Right. And then Lucy Davis puts glasses on her. Right.

Or Chris Pine does. And she goes like, are you kidding? What do you think? No glasses. No one's going to notice that she was a beautiful woman that's ever existed. A little Clark Kent joke there. It's a little Clark Kent joke. Yeah.

What, glasses are going to cover anything up? Is that your favorite bit? No. Okay. So they get out of there. They go and meet with David Thewlis. Yes. Who is a man who's trying to stop the war.

He loves peace. Sir Patrick Morgan. Thouless. Yes. Who is a man who's trying to stop the war. He loves peace. Sir Patrick Morgan. Peace-loving Patrick. Yes. And he's clearly a guy Steve Trevor respects. And Steve Trevor's going like, look. Trevor, by the way, has the reason he crashed his plane. Oh, he's a spy.

He's a spy and he took this book of poisons from the poison. We're going to get to Dr. Poison in a second.'re gonna get to talk about my favorite character in the film dr poison in a second and uh dr poison's my favorite character uh so he um this is the point where we should talk about dr poison because he goes to david thules and goes look i'm a spy here's the information i got this guy ludenbacher his name is ludendorff general eric ludendorff played by danny houston correct and every time he showed up on screen, David leaned over to me and said, is he a bad guy? Yes, that was my bit.

The joke is, you cast Danny Houston in a movie, it's telegraphed that he's a bad guy. And everything he does on screen is very, very evil. He's also a German general, so I guess that's a bad sign. And he's huffing super drugs and saying evil things. Right, so the idea is that he is um fuck uh jesus uh aries right she's like this must be aries and you see him huffing the drugs

in his face clothes like oh he's air he's aries but anyway she's got he's got this assistant or not even he's got he's got a poison maker associated So she had a bad scientist. Elena Anaya, is that her name? Elena Anaya, yes. From The Skin I Live In, a great actress. She was also in... What else has she been in? I think she's been in some of the Almodovar movies. I'm so excited.

The big thing is she was the lead in The Skin I Love In. She's great in that movie. She's in a lot of Spanish movies. I know she's in The Land of Women, the Adam Brody movie. I know she's in that. Oh, that's a rough one. Thank you. I agree.

You're welcome. She plays a character named Dr. Poison. Dr. Poison has a segmented mask on her face because she burned off some of her face with poison. And that's because she makes poison. She's the doctor of the poison. It's a subtle performance, but she is a villain in the film.

She is a bad person. She's one of the film's villains. She's one of the people you don't like because they're not good. You might be able to tell by her name, which is to reiterate, Doctor Poison. Yes, and the ceramic mask she has on her burned up face. It's like uh what's his

name jack houston's mask in boardwalk empire except if it had more pieces and was a little less sort of creepy and like soul shaking no fake eye but she's got fake nose she's got a fake side of her mouth fake cheek and she loves poison you see her making poison and she she really it doesn't seem like it's like another day at the. She loves making poison. She just wants to make poison. You see a lot of her giggling. She has full on glee at the poison she makes. At first they try a poison that seems fairly effective, but they're not into it. She cares about the work so much.

She's like, not good enough. Then she's like, oh, what if I made this poison? Hydrogen. And it dissolves a face. Even gas masks wouldn't be able to protect you from this poison. What's your point about your favorite scene involving David Thewlis and Sir Patrick Morgan? It's not. It's the scene right after this.

Okay. They present this information saying we need to go get this guy. We have to bomb the lab where they're making the poison because if it gets up in the air and they drop it, everyone's fucked. Right. And they're like, no, no, peace. No more war. Good guys, bad guys. Everyone's going to die no, no peace. No more war. Good guys, bad guys.

Everyone's going to die if they drop this. What's your favorite bit? And Wonder Woman's like, take me with you. I need to get to Ares. And he's like, okay, I'll take you with me.

And they go to the train station. And when they're getting on the train, he goes, do you want an ice cream? And this is a good, good moment. Buys her. This is the moment where I just was like,

I mean, I think someone's just going, I scream, I scream. And she's like, he's like, you want an ice cream? Here's an ice cream and this is a good good moment buys her this is the moment where i just was like i mean i think someone's just going i scream i scream and she's like he's like you want ice cream here's nice and he hands her an ice cream and she takes a long lick of this vanilla cone doesn't know how to deal with it but then she eats it and and he's walking ahead he doesn't have time to focus on this and he she turns to him and he goes turn to the ice cream sailor i send her turns to pine pine he chases she chases after pine after she's had her first real taste of ice cream she goes oh it's just wonderful right but then she turns the ice cream vendor and says you must be very proud or something like that and it's so charming oh my god it's adorable she just is this she loves the world she loves life life. She loves joy. Sure. She loves fighting, but she also loves ice cream.

Right. And she's so pure. But I think it's not being a simpleton. What you're getting at here exactly is that it is not doing what the Snyder movies did. Yes. With Superman and Batman, which is make them tortured by their heroism, make them like alien and remove from the world and like hateful almost and dark. Or doing what thor does

where it's like well he's stupid because he doesn't understand the complexities of things a lot of the marvel heroes start out as overly arrogant yeah i mean the fun of thor is essentially that he's a viking right so he's like bring me a horse yeah i mean he's funny too he's not dissimilar from wonder woman but you're right right. She's more delighted. She's a good person. And you know what? It's the same thing I said I liked about Moana, which is Moana isn't... Moana! Remember the coconut! Moana!

The thing I like that both of these movies do is consider the coconut. They do consider it. The other thing I like that both these movies do, beginning in Moana, I think our people need this on the island. And her dad's like, no. And it's not like Coraline where it's like, I'm a bratty kid.

I have to go on an adventure. And then I learned that I was wrong. I should have listened to my dad all along. Coraline's different. Coraline's about growing up. I know. I know they're different movies. In a different way. I know they're different movies.

Okay. What I'm saying is the thing that Moana and Wonder Woman both do is have these central characters who really fantasize about being able to help other people yes it's not selfish it's i want to help my people i want to protect people her heart like aches literally for right for the humans she keeps seeing who look sad innately heroic can't believe how sad things when she goes and sees yeah she cannot believe it and she wants to help everybody she's so driven by genuine passion and empathy. Whereas, I think it's being like, yeah, I mean, hopefully we're going to help people. It's a war.

It's complicated. We've got a lot of things to do. Everything needs time, and she wants to stop and tend after every person. And, yeah, both Moana and Wonder Woman are stories of women learning how to become the most effective heroes they can be, not learning how to care, you know? Agreed. Which I love. And she loves ice cream. She thinks it's just wonderful. It's great. most effective heroes they can be not learning how to care, you know, agreed, which I love. So, and she loves ice cream.

She thinks it's just wonderful. It's great. It's a great movie star moment. And it is a great moment. And then Pine's like, fine, you know what? Fuck those guys.

I'm going to lie. And she's like, you're lying. Oh my God. Cause she, she doesn't really get that either. And then, and then she's like,

if you're lying to him, then why should I believe you? And he ties the lasso truth to his own arm. And he says we're all probably gonna die why am i doing this is a terrible idea which is very cute yeah and then he assembles a team okay we got a nice little skeleton crew you love this team is there was there a bad thing in this scene no this team is great because a lot of these movies you you establish a team. Like, the Hellen Commandos and Captain America. I was about to say Captain America. I like seeing, like, David Luke and Neil McDonagh.

Dum Dum Dugan rules. But then it's like, who the fuck are these? They got that French rat guy. Who are these other characters? They don't do anything. They don't do anything. In this one, you got three guys. You got Ewan Bremner.

Also known as Spudsy from Trainspotting. Spud in Trainspotting. He plays an expert marksman who is also a drunk yes he plays uh charlie yes uh he's a man clearly haunted by the amount of people he's killed who deals with it by drinking and singing right he's great and lovely lovely and i like him i like him too he's a nice friend uh there's saeed tagmahui as i always say his name he's got a tough name to to pronounce i apologize to him he's french i believe he plays tunnel rat in gi joe rise of cobra

i had no idea i believe the character he plays is named tunnel rat i mean i first heard of him in hideous kinky oh yes in the day which i believe he is the love interest in uh-huh uh but he's been in so many things he's a lot of shows he on Lost. A fairly Caesar, a fairly boring role. Anyway, he's just been around. Mm-hmm. He plays Samir, who is the best. He wants... My number one character.

He wants to be an actor, but as he says, he was born the wrong color, and so instead, he must become a fighter. He's a master of disguise. He is. Secret agent. Yeah. He's goddamn hilarious he he loves gal gadot all about her she is because he's saying i won't go on this mission and then

she's like i'm coming he's like i'm coming to in more ways than one luckily he does not say that because he does that's verbatim that's a line from the movie he delivers it the exact same way he goes i'm coming to in more ways than one he He turns into like a weird Pacino impression. Hey, everybody, look at me. Hoorah, I'm coming in more ways than one. Every time I think I'm out, they come me back in. This is the worst thing you've ever done. I'm out, Pacino.

Roger, Roger. What's he up to recently? Pacino? Danny Collins? Great. And then there's Eugene Brave Rock. Chief. As chief.

He knows the land. A weapons dealer. He's a weapons dealer. He knows the land. He's just kind of a fun guy to have around. I don't know how else to put it. He just sort sort of i guess the idea with him is because there's this early moment where she's like why do you traffic on both sides of this why are you a war profiteer right and he's like last war killed my people so i'm just trying to stay alive and she says

he killed your people he points at chris pine he's like his people and it's just like i feel like we're just throwing her into this thing where like she you know she's like why are why does everyone hate each other stupid you're man like you are the zeus's creation why don't you just love like you were supposed to this movie also does i think just the right amount of people telling wonder woman she can't do stuff because she's a woman sure like we haven't talked about this much because it happens just in enough moments that's hard to remember all of them when she goes and they're arguing david thules and her guys and they go what is a woman doing here speaking here fiddlesticks right all this stuff and she just has this like she doesn't understand uh prejudice right like she doesn't

understand why of course because she's an actor why does it matter if you're not white right she doesn't understand sexism because uh yeah right it's not a thing on an all-women island right and she she starts to have to become more and more empowered because she realizes people aren't going to take her seriously as much but it's it's just kind of a quiet through line throughout the movie it never stops being an issue but it never becomes the entire story now honestly once all this has happened yeah even though there's still a lot of movie left i'd say there's probably an hour more movie yeah there's actually nothing much more this is when story just becomes an action movie and we've had some good fight scenes up until now a

little bit of fight scenes but then there's just a lot of sustained they arrive on the front there's a whole scene on the front that we will cover and then they cross the you know into german lines and then there's just a whole long set piece behind german lines yeah and that's it yeah i mean there's a behind german lines there's a party sequence and a sort of big battle sure but it's pretty fluid pretty connected yeah there's not really much more plot and happily for marvel there isn't i mean happily comparing it to like marvel or whatever it's not really much more plot and happily for marvel there isn't i mean happily comparing it to like marvel or whatever it's not like she has to get the orb of jim put it into the throne of new namibia or whatever you know just it's just she wants to kill aries

you and i disagree marginally on the effectiveness of the ending but what i like about it is in terms of visually what's being represented, it's a little samey with a lot of the stuff we see. It feels like, oh, it's glowing orbs and big explosions and all this, but it feels very focused where it's like she's fighting one person and that fight is philosophical. Agreed. It's a foregone

conclusion. I don't mind the import or whatever. Sure. The narrative purpose of the fight. You're just saying literally the visual. A little boring. I mean, look, the action in this movie is mostly fine to good i think the movie has a good look yeah colorful it's clear it's not snydery like it's doing its own thing i'll say this too for like pay jenkins who's coming from monster and tv sure this is a complicated movie a lot of pieces a lot of scale a lot of sets a lot of actors a lot of stunts a lot of sets, a lot of actors, a lot of stunts, a lot of effects. Yep. There is a real intentionality to this film.

Yep. It reminds me of, you know, an earlier kind of like Amblin 90s level of blockbuster filmmaking where it was like every piece is put in there very purposefully and every line sets up a joke or it sets up a plot point. And there are nice, I mean, there are shots where they kind of hold for a moment you see there's a shot i love where uh danny houston gases uh a bunch of his uh fellow generals generals yeah um and he leaves a gas mask right and she goes says they won't know and he goes they won't know that. And he goes, they won't know that. Right. You see them all inside. And David said, is that a bad guy? Danny Houston plays a villain.

And then they're all scrambling for the gas mask. And then it cuts to Dr. Poison. And she's looking through a window, watching them die and running her hand along the cracks. And it is like, OK, that's this character. She loves watching terrible things happen. She's bad. It's not good. It's not subtlety in terms of characterization, but it's salty in terms of like

giving everyone a kind of full sense of existence. I agree. Here's my complaint. Yeah, it's just, you know, some of that speed ramping. That's my only complaint. Actually, I think the action

sequences are pretty well to be clear is that it's Zack Snyder loves it. The thing where it sort of slows down and then speeds up. And I don't give a shit about that. I've never thought it looked cool and I don't like it when it happens in this it doesn't take me out

of it it's an easy thing to criticize because i feel like now everyone knows who it is because they like to make fun of zack snyder movies but when you see it in this movie it just usually doesn't really seem that necessary and especially because even though she's super powerful she is kind of a ground level fighter it's not like what's going on is crazy enough that you need to slow it down in order to track visually what's happening no i mean her power is she can jump yep uh she can deflect bullets with her cool bracelets which i'm gonna buy a toys r us yeah got a shield she's got a sword yeah she's got a lasso she kind of zips around yeah she's strong that's that i love that the lasso looked like a cartoon too it looked like cowboy curtis's did not look as good, in my opinion, as Yondu's awesome whistling arrow and the whole

sequence where he kills all the people in Guardians and you can see the neon trail of leaves. That's wonderful. Yondu, though. Yondu, though. Yondu is not in Wonder Woman. It's a different movie, guys. Chill out.

I kept on waiting every scene for Yondu to show up. Well, it's because in every scene, Wonder Woman says, where's Yondu? But he never shows up. Doesn't it suck that yondu isn't in most movies should be in like every movie every movie like forget paris put him in that one more like remember yondu i was trying to think of the most irrelevant movie ever made and i came up with forget paris is that the the gina coppola movie eleanor coppola movie no No, is that the Billy Crystal Deborah Winger movie? Billy Crystal, Deborah Winger, 1995 directed by Billy Crystal. Yeah. Where he plays an

NBA referee. Anyway. They talked about that movie a lot. Joe Montaigne is in that movie. They talk about Forget Paris in Wonder Woman. A lot. No, they talk about Forget Paris a lot in Inside the Actor's Studio, the Billy Crystal episode. Oh, sure. And it just feels like Billy Crystal was like, can we please talk about Forget Paris as much as we talk about When Harry Met Sally and try to make it seem like they're of equal accomplishment? Mr. Saturday Night's pretty good.

He's talked about that a lot, too. Yeah. All right. Well. Old Billy. He's had a weird career blank check about him. You want to do it? How many movies did he direct in total?

61, Forget Paris, Mr. Saturday Night. Let me see if there's any others. Before we say anything else, I have to know. Okay, let's just hold. Hold. He has seven directing credits. Here they are. Okay.

Likely Stories, Volume 3, Segment Split Decision. I don't know what that is. It doesn't count. Not real. The original Comic Relief Special. Okay. No, I'm going through them all. Yeah, yeah.

We're not going to do this. I know. I'm going to go through all of them. Okay, but while you're doing this, this No, I'm going through them all. Yeah, yeah. We're not going to do this. I know, I know. I'm going to go through all of them. Okay, but while you're doing this, this is what I'm going to do. Billy Crystal, colon, don't get me started. The Billy Crystal special. Billy Crystal, don't get me started.

The Lost Minutes. Mr. Saturday Night, Forget Paris 61. All right, that's enough about Billy Paris. Okay. Billy Paris, Billy Crystal. Yeah, Billy Crystal, Billy Crystal. Yeah. Billy Crystal Yondu, though. There are some...

I think Patty Jenkins does very well in this film. And it also comes down to scripting. Sure. Credit Talon Heisenberg or whatever his name is. Talon Heisenberg. Okay, that was close. Zack Snyder has a story credit, as DCU bros like to tell us over and over again. Oh, they'll tell us.

So how dare we not give Zack Snyder credit for the first good movie in this fucking franchise sure um the thing uh i think this movie does really well and at times it reminded me it's not at this level but it's like the thing everyone goes oh i want to make a movie like indiana jones but they don't get this is that the action sequences need to have story beats and character beats within them it can't just be punch punch punch punch punch whether it's a joke whether it's a bit of development or a realization that reveals something about who they are sure and there are these great moments there's one where they're in a back alley and a bunch of guys spies who come after them start shooting at chris pine and he goes get back and when they shoot care of it it hits her nevertheless she persisted this is what a feminist looks like

yes he tries to great scene but he catches the bullet in his hands and it's hot. And then he puts together what happened. Very funny. It's really funny. And throughout the movie, they keep on having these moments that there, there is a straightforwardness, a crispness minus the speed ramping to how the actual physical fights play out,

which I really liked. Sure. It's good. I like this movie a lot. And then they get to the line, the front. Yes. And immediately some poor woman to wonder woman is like, help us, please.

They've taken our village. And she's like, we have to help them. They've taken the village. Chris Pine's like, we got to go like a mile that way down the front. And then we're going to find a secret way across. She's getting like so upset. And she's like, fuck that. She's like, you don't understand.

She's like, we can't handle this. And he's like, she's like, well, I can handle it. And then she finally reveals the costume. It's unbelievable. I mean, I'm getting chills. Climbs the trenches. It's very nice. I think that's when they do the theme.

You haven't seen her Wonder Woman armor. Now she's in the front line. Everyone's like, what the fuck? And you go POV of a bullet flying towards her. And she just fucking Wonder Woman's that shit. So that's a cool scene where they get across. It rules. They get to a little town um they take out a sniper she like throws herself at a church and knocks it out yeah they take like

the hood of a car and they use it as a springboard for her to jump and she uses herself it's cool that's cool cool stuff happens then she dances with chris pine and they fuck okay so do you think they fully fuck yeah david's being gross he's making a gross face i'd fuck him i would fuck him too uh no no they they kiss i think after they dance made love gross uh and they go to bed we teach her to dance and it's really sweet and they talk about humanity and how great it's adorable she sees the snow for the talk about how good the movie is they talk they're like this movie's going really well right very great job people were hoping it'd be like a six at a best but we're actually like teasing with an eight

there's that moment she sees the snow it's just like she just loves the world she wants to save us she's wonder woman she is wonder they also never say wonder woman the entire movie that's true i was waiting for the dumb joke where they were going to go like, what's some kind of Wonder Woman? What a wonder it is to see a woman in Parliament. Such a wonder, comma, woman. Yes. Never say it.

Don't do that. She's the princess. No, all they do is talk about Yondu. Yeah. We haven't been mentioning enough. It's crazy. When they assemble the team it's like but is Yondu part

of the team and then Ewan Bender's like I couldn't yeah and then Chris Pine's like he's in space I told you God Yondu yeah it's a weird deal they cut where they were like we'll share one character

Yondu and then there's the closing sequence which is Weird deal they cut where they were like, we'll share one character. Yondu. It's Yondu. And then there's the closing sequence, which is the castle. The sort of I was really worried the party scene was going to be big. Me too. Because like, you know, again, like dress, he pretends to be a German soldier. You're going to make the like, you know, the lady action movie be about her putting on a dress and like dancing her way. But it's immediate it's like it's like and again it's mostly her being like all your spy shit's stupid i just want to stab aries in the heart and she dances with him and she has this

weird interrogation conversation where she feels like he admits that he's aries she only wears the dress for like six minutes and they get to sell that toy of her in the dress sure right and then she confronts danny houston and he's like who are you and then sniffs his like steroids he's got glow face going he's got glow i mean that's stupid or whatever it doesn't matter then she stabs him through the heart and i was very pleased because i was like there's 20 minutes left this movie thank god danny houston wasn't the lead villain you were overjoyed because i was also when it was announced i was like fucking danny Danny Houston? You're going to telegraph with that much? He's so washed up.

Like, that's your villain? But the movie was playing a trick on us. They knew we were going to think that, so we'd keep our eye off of the ball. Sure. They prestiged us, if you will. I guess so. They pulled a prestige, David. Right.

And it turns out the villain who just shows up. David Thewlis. Is Thewlis. Is Thewlis. Thewlis himself. And like really all they had was him or Lucy Davis. Like it's not like someone else is going to be like in his eyes. Everyone else had more than five lines over the course of the movie. And so Thewlis is like, I'm Ares, the god of war, and that's why I'm pushing for peace.

Doesn't actually make sense. Don't think about it. But he also says like. His main thing is. When I first saw you, I was like, I'm going to fucking kill you right it. But he also says like, his main thing is when I first saw you, I was like, I'm going to fucking kill you right now. But then I was like, wait a second.

No, let her go on this dumb mission. Let her get on the battlefront and see how horrible humans are. And you'll agree with me. These people fucking suck. Let's wipe them out. And she has a sort of like crisis of faith. But right before this,

right before this, she has her kind of tearful goodbye with Chris Pine. They have a really big argument that cuts off a little bit premature, right? Yeah. A scene that's really good, and here's a Patty Jenkins touch I loved. Go ahead. Just the amount of space she gives

to performance in this movie. He's giving this long monologue about how it doesn't work, and she's going like, but that's not, we have to save people. And he's saying like, maybe I suck too. I don't know. We're not all as good as you. Right. We're just trying to do our job.

Right. You know, I know, I know. And in the middle of a take, he brushes the hair off of his forehead. I know. And I thought that was really interesting.

Cause you're, cause you're watching it and his hair's kind of dangling low. You can tell he's frustrated by it. And then he just does it. And A, it says a lot about him as an actor. It does, that he dares do it.

Right. And B, that Patty Jenkins chose that take because it's the most human. It's a great take and it's a good thing where he is frustrated by her because he knows he's not as good as her. He knows he's not as good as her. And he's just a spy who like has to sort of wheedle and lie his way through life.

And they don't overblow this, but they have that line earlier where she goes, so why are you a spy? And he goes, well, I realize you can do nothing or you could do something. I already tried nothing. Right. And so it's like this guy who has this weird kind of regret about inactivity in the past. And then they split up. She's kind of angry at him because she doesn't understand.

Right. And then she kills Ares because her whole thing, he's like, no, we got to deal with this poison cash. And he's like, if I kill Ares, everything's solved. She stabs Danny Houston through the heart. Nothing happens. David Thule shows up and is like, don't you get

how bad humans are now? Right. And it also says you are the god killer. It's not the weapon. It's you. You're the one who's supposed to kill me.

Okay, but the thing, the thing that makes her realize that she has to pick humans is that while the Danny Houston fight's going on, side mission with her boys,

they're realizing, okay, the plane is loaded up with dr poison poison yeah poison plane we can't shoot the plane call it a poison one can hold a poison plane i mean if one were so inclined he realizes i gotta get behind the wheel this plane right he asks if yondu's available and yondu is still in space still in space he has to get behind like i gotta get in this plane i gotta fly it into the sky so that no one dies yes classic right and she sees this and freaks out she sees him getting on the plane no it's a very nice scene so it's in the middle of the aries fight right her ears are ringing and he comes up to her talks to her gives her his watch she doesn't hear anything he says because your ears are ringing and i was kind of like stunned by the scene because i'm like it's obvious Chris Pine's going to die.

Yeah. And I'm like, are they really sending him off with that? Like, is it supposed to just be like, we get it? Here's his hero's death. And so she's in the middle of this fight with Ares. By the way,

David Thewlis uses telekinesis to make an armor out of airplane detritus. I don't know. I'm totally fine with all this. David was a lot more annoyed than I was. I mean, I'm not annoyed by it, but I'm just sort of like, it's a little perfunctory. It's a little's kind of like say bridges and iron man where you're

like yeah someone's gotta be a villain at the end of this thing it does feel like it but it feels thematically tied because the fight is over do humans deserve our protection or i agree and then in the middle of this fight as she's sort of whatever as she's beaten down right as she's like oh god am i gonna lose this fight is this even worth it she looks up in the sky and she sees the plane explode yes you have a moment with chris pine where he's sitting standing in this moment she's pinned in that scene yeah she's stuck in like a weird metal corset and chris pine is in the plane great scene thanks of her god and they hold on they hold on him for a while here's the thing this is why this movie is good

gal gadot and chris pine two actors who really know how to own a close. I totally agree. Right. This is a great close up. The close up with him when he kills himself is extremely good. And they hold. And then they cut away before he fires the weapon. You see him there.

He sees his trajectory. It's probably 30 seconds. He looks back. He loads his gun. He's going to shoot it. He looks forward. He thinks about her. He laughs. He smiles. He laughs. Then he closes his gun. He's going to shoot it. He looks forward. He thinks about her. He laughs.

He laughs. Then he closes his eyes and he comes to terms with it and he shoots back. Fucking good. And the plane explodes and he saves everybody. And she sees that. He's dead. This isn't some fucking bullshit. No, no, no.

He's dead. This isn't Nick Fury. He's dead. He's dead. And she realizes he did it. He wasn't just talk. He wasn't just lying. He did the thing.

He sacrificed his life to save other people and she says that on my island the captains would do anything to protect their people yeah she said this earlier she's alarmed at the general we would die for them right our generals right and so she sees yes it's great it's good and then of course he said i'm not good i'm not good he didn't try to play the hero but she sees his actions speak louder than words and she yeah she she blows aries up she like stabs him but then when did you have the flashback to what chris pine said to her i think it's there or right after i mean it's whatever it's what happened and he it's just so good he says i love him gives her the watch doesn't give her that dick though he doesn't

would have been well but see. Would have been polite. So you think they fucked on that night? I don't know. I think they did hand stuff. I'm just saying they're two hot people. I agree. I think they did hand stuff. We'll have time to do the rest of it later.

Let's leave a little tension. Maybe. I think they did a lot of hand stuff. You said that almost angrily. Yeah. I think they did a lot of hand stuff. And then that's the movie. Yeah. And then it cuts back and we remember,

oh, right. This was a memory play. No, here's the one thing we forgot. Dr. Poison. Yeah.

Is presented essentially to Wonder Woman. As an example of. Ares is like, look at this person. And he sort of revealed that he was influencing everyone behind the scenes, sort of Loki style, kind of whispering in their ear. He says, I was giving them plans.

I was giving them web ideas, but then they chose to use them on their own. He's going behind them and whispering. He's kind of like tipping the scale a little bit. Did you hear that joke I just made, though? I did. It was a great joke. I tried to whisper it to you during the movie, but it felt like we were too wrapped up.

I know. I was like, yeah, yeah, okay. It's kind of like when you tried to tell me that Ken Lung was in Force Awakens. Force Awakens. And I was like, yeah, okay. Enchantress. It's kind of like when you tried to tell me that Ken Lung was in... Force Awakens? Force Awakens. And I was like, yeah, I know. Probably the most exciting moment of my life. So he's whispering everything, but he's like, but they chose to do it on their own.

Presenting Dr. Poison, my best friend. Griffin's best friend. My favorite character. Yondu's second best friend. Her mask is melted off. She looks all fucked up. In the wind. And he's going like, don't you see?

This is an example. And I don't think it's quintessential and she looks pathetic she looks like and wonder woman pities her but it's also like a god what's he doing he's pitting women against women that's true this is what a feminist looks like this is what a feminist looks but nevertheless she persists and she throws the tag sorry this is just my new bit any time I think someone is making like a lame attempt to be, you know, whatever, avowedly feminist. I just say that. We know there is only one true. I feel bad being flip about this in this terrible time that we live in. A lot of male feminism is really for show.

It's presentation. Yeah, like the kind that we have. Right, exactly. There's only one real. Like this blank checks male feminism. Right. We hate this movie yeah shit and then it's all about how ghostbusters i wish the movie was about her

killing the female ghostbusters like it yeah um there's only one real male feminist who you can trust and who's that his name is yondu he lives in space exactly huge feminist uh love wonder woman uh great movie uh like ghostbusters 2 uh don't like ghostbusters no but that's true you're right you pitch back to her and she writes an email to like bruce wayne at gmail.com and she's like thanks for sending the picture homeboy this was like the one moment and then she says the meme it's weird smell you later and she attaches that gif of the monkey smelling the finger

after he stuck it in his butt and then like some sunglasses come down and go deal with it and that's the end of the movie and then Chris finds like Yondu though yeah and then the end credits stingers they team up with Taysom Day what is this bit it was actually we saw no end credits

bits yeah maybe they're i don't know if they're gonna add they weren't showing it to us because they knew we were gonna podcast that's right yes they knew we had to sign a form before the movie saying will you podcast or no we were a bunch of bad boys and we said no podcasty that's not no that's true they didn't ask us anything other than to see our backpacks they said who are you guys why don't you shave i really need to shave but uh the point the point here is sure uh in the way the the thulis you know perfunctory now i'm a cgi man big battle thing yes i'm a cgi man yes i felt like the script was pretty good at being you know perfunctory now i'm a cgi man big battle thing yes i'm a cgi man yes i felt like the script was pretty good at being you know it's not incredibly subtle but it's detailed and it's

loving and it's very genuine um and the way they deal with the pine relationship is really good in terms of like not really putting the foot on the gas too hard yep the email narration i thought was a little too much paprika on the sand. Right, right. But her emails. I decided to stay here, but her emails. But her emails. She writes this email to Bruce Wayne at the end. She says, like, I've decided to stay here and protect because of humans, because of love. I did it for love.

And it's like... And she jumps over the Paris rooftop. She hears an explosion, which I think is supposed to be Doomsday or something. And then now she's in the Wonder Woman outfit on top of the Louvre. And she flies through the air, and it's supposed to be Doomsday or something. Yeah, maybe. And then now she's in the Wonder Woman outfit. Yeah. And top of the Louvre.

And she flies through the air. And it's great. And you remember that she's a great, great lady. I love her. It's a nice movie. She's a good hero. I would watch again. Yep.

12 out of 12. Now, here's my question for you. Sure. We can't do the box office game. Right. But can you predict what will be the top five movies the box office and we'll see if you're right okay so we're recording this right now on the 24th is that correct 24th of uh may okay so this is wednesday this friday this friday you've got pirates of the caribbean salazar's revenge duck barrow olaf bar Farrow. I saw it.

This is the worst movie I've ever seen in my life. And we also have Baywatch colon Salazar's Revenge. Okay, so I think this weekend Pirates will probably be number one, right? Yeah. Alien Covenant's going to have a big drop off. I think Baywatch will open big, but will drop like a stone. I think this weekend's box office will probably be pirates it's a squirrel um baywatch alien guardians something else you know right snatched well or not and then what nothing else opens the same day as wonder woman right as double

dubs yeah didn't underpay oh it does you better. I'm so excited for that movie. You're weird. Okay. Great book series. Great book series. Okay. As long as they're faithful to the source material. Although I will say, when I saw that poster and it says the first epic adventure, I went, ooh, doomed.

Anytime someone has given a title to their movie that implies that it's the first one in what's going to be a series, it has been a death knell. What about Pokemon the first movie? Wow. You're embarrassed. Doug's first movie. Doug's first movie. Doug's first movie. Remo Williams,

The Adventure Begins. Don't remember that one. It's always an overly Yeah, yeah. You're like, really? Yeah. Just call it Captain Underpants.

Okay. So number one at the box office, I believe, will be Wonder Woman. Hope so. They've been saying it's tracking at like 75. I've been getting my beef up,

but we'll see. I'll tell you what I think it's going to make opening weekend. 92. Great. That's my prediction. Good prediction. I think the buzz is going to build. Yes.

And it's going to open to 92. Number two, probably Pirates. Number two will be Captain Underpants, and it will open to. Sure. Yeah. 35. I'm going to go with 39. 39.

It's pretty high. Big book series. Been around for a long time. Number two, I'm going to say is going to be pirates with like number three. Number three. Sorry. Yeah. Pirates with like 25.

I think even lower. I think 21. That's I mean, that would be really bad. I think pirates is only going to open to like 60. That would be really bad. It's supposed to open to like 100. Yeah but the last one i mean it is opening memorial day so i guess it has a four day right yeah but uh the last pirates open to 90 yeah but this one has salazar in it oh it just got owned i think it's gonna open to 60 something i think second weekend

is gonna make about 21, 22. And then number Guardians and Alien will probably still be hanging out. I think Baywatch will drop like a stone. Oh yeah, Baywatch might be in there. So I think Guardians will jump up over Baywatch. Wow. And Guardians number four. I think Guardians will be number four. Maybe Baywatch five. Yeah.

Yeah. That's my guess. Guardians like 12, 11. Something like that. They watch something around there too. They must be making like 9. So there you go. That's his predictions on the record. Did you see King Arthur? Didn't. Goosefab Bill? He's

yep. We got him. We got him. They got Goosefab Bill. We got him. Fate of the Furious is still in the top 10. Has not made its budget back in America yet. Not that it Bill. We got him. Fate of the Furious is still in the top 10. Has not made its budget back in America yet. Not that it matters. Doesn't matter.

You've got Boss Baby still hanging around. Beauty and the Beast. Now, you predicted Beauty and the Beast would be top five worldwide, top 10 domestic, correct? I did. As of this moment, my prediction was it would end up at six or seven domestic. It is at number eight and seems to stay there. I don't think that it could. No, it know it will probably beat rogue one domestically maybe not rogue one made 532 yeah it's at 498 it's possible i think it's gonna tap out at like 510 probably but that's a crazy run uh so it'll probably end up seven or eight now worldwide the

rollout's been slower so it's a little hard to tell right now. It just entered the top 10 worldwide last weekend. Yep. But I think it will end up, I thought top five, four, five. I think it will end up being six or seven. I think it'll end up six or seven. I think eight domestic, seven worldwide is my guess of where it ends. It has now made $1.2 billion.

It's a lot of money. Worldwide. And I tweeted this, but I'll say it again because I think it's insane. It has repeated the Furious have made about the same amount of money. Bears repeating. Yep. Disney now has five of the 10 highest grossing domestic films in history. Sure.

And four of those five have come out in the last 18 months alone. Yeah. That's pretty nuts. Star Wars. It used to be a big deal when a movie entered the top 10 of all time. And they've done it with Beauty and the Beast. And then also Rogue One and Finding Dory. Yeah.

Bad. Successful company. Sure. Congrats to them. Burger Horts? Went to Schnipper's Quality Kitchen Times Square Day, hoping to see some famous did not.

I went to Moo Burger where I saw Michael Shannon, the original burger report. No more burger report. Merchandise spotlight. You can buy Wonder Woman bracelets. I'm going to get them. I assume. I'm going to hide them under my hoodie when I go outside so if

someone shoots me, I can go, What a little creep. He'll be like, he got shot in the arm and then the face. The forearms. The plastic was ripped to shreds by bullets. It is 9pm.

Oh, great. You got to go. Jesus Christ. Yeah. So, thanks for You got to go. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah. So thanks for listening to Blank Check. We're sorry for the audio quality of this episode and the lack of Ben. Yeah. Both might be deal breakers, but, you know, we tried our best. We just wanted to rep our girl Diana.

She rules. This movie rules. It's fun. I can't wait to see it again. Agreed. I can't wait to see it again. I can't wait to see it again. You know, it's a big thought I had during this movie.

And I think this movie will appeal to a lot of people. Yeah, I think many will enjoy it. Many will enjoy it. I sat there and went like, that was bad. God, I would kill to be like a nine year old girl seeing this in the theater right now. This is what a feminist looks like. Nevertheless, Griffin persisted. Thank you very much for listening.

Please remember to rate, review. I'm so happy the girls have a show. I didn't say that. You're extrapolating that from my statement, which was mad people. Now he's doing the little smile he does when he's mad. He doesn't want to admit it. I'm not mad. No, he's going to go off and make more

tick. He's going to go make more tick. Yep. August 25th, coming to Amazon. That's right. Six episodes more? 15, 20? Don't know if I'm at liberty to say, but you'll see some episodes on August 25th. Amazon.com slash the tick? Slash Yondu?

I think it'll be just, if you go onto Amazon.com, they'll take all the other stuff off the website and it'll just be tick. Yeah, that's usually their approach. approach there's gonna be a week where they don't sell anything very easy always to find amazon original series it's always very easy to navigate that website so it's www for wonder woman yes dot amazon dot yondu yeah shit we both have the same joke all right thank you very much for listening please remember to rate review and subscribe we'll be back next time with Christopher Nolan.

Following. We're starting off the Christopher Nolan podcast. I bought the Criterion. Oh, I don't have that yet. I bought it. Congratulations. I also bought the Christopher Nolan collection on Blu-ray. Came with this little book. Oh, what a nice little book that does not look worth the added price that the box

set probably required so look here's memento oh look it's a picture of memento in a book this book for the listener home this book is very small by all metrics it's about the size of a thomas the tank engine book even that is ambitious it would it would look like it looks like a cheesecake factory menu yes yes okay all right we're done and the podcast big thanks to lee montgomery oh yeah and from the social accounts uh pat reynolds and joe bowen for the artwork. Yes. We love you, Ben. Of course. And as always, this is what a feminist looks like. Nevertheless, she persisted. The future is female.

All right. You done?