Blocks w/ Neal Brennan - Ali Siddiq

Episode Date: April 16, 2026

Neal Brennan interviews Ali Siddiq (9+ standup specials) about dealing crack, his dad dealing cocaine, getting arrested and incarcerated, the emotional toll of his sister's death, being a "weird dad," growing up experiencing relative levels of poverty, the valet parking landscape of Houston, Slim Thug, his attitude toward violence, shooting people, breakdancing, how Billy D. Washington and D.L. Hughley helped him find his storytelling voice, 'This Is Not Happening,' longtime grudges, and how his life has been a rollercoaster of gratitude. Get tickets for Ali Siddiq's Tour: https://alisiddiq.com/#section-a80lEppZfb Subscribe to  @AliSiddiqComedy  00:00 Intro 1:24 What his life’s been 3:02 Gratitude 6:30 His dad’s cocaine dealing 9:30 Selling Crack 14:57 Sponsor: BetterHelp 16:54 Sponsor: Superpower 19:49 Arrest Story 42:18 Violence 1:00:11 Sponsor: Rag & Bone 1:03:15 Sponsor: CookUnity 1:06:20 Sponsor: Amentara 1:06:21 The Darkest Period of his life 1:09:56 His sister dying 1:17:30 Fatherhood 1:24:38 Storytelling & ‘This is Not Happening’ 1:37:08 What he makes of his life Thanks to our sponsors! This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://www.BetterHelp.com/NEAL for 10% off Head to https://www.Superpower.com and use code NEAL at checkout for $20 off your membership. Unlock your new health intelligence. 100+ biomarkers. Every year. Detect early signs of 1,000+ conditions. #superpowerpod Experience chef-quality meals every week, delivered right to your door. Go to https://www.cookunity.com/NEAL for 50% off your first week. Upgrade your denim game with rag & bone! Get 20% off sitewide with code NEAL at https://www.rag-bone.com #ragandbonepod Go to https://www.amentara.com/go/neal and use code BLOCKS22 for 22% off your first order. Try low dose first. Your nervous system will thank you — or at least stop complaining so loudly. ---------------------------------------------------------- Follow Neal Brennan: https://www.instagram.com/nealbrennan https://twitter.com/nealbrennan https://www.tiktok.com/@mrnealbrennan Watch Neal Brennan: Crazy Good on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81728557 Watch Neal Brennan: Blocks on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81036234 Theme music by Electric Guest (unreleased). Edited by Will Hagle Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Guys, hi, my guest today is real funny. Can you sense a tone that I'm like real funny, implying that maybe some other people have had on, aren't real funny? He's got eight specials. What do we come up with? Eight? Is that where we're at?

Nine. Nine specials on YouTube. He's literally, when they talk about getting it out the mud, this guy got it out of the mud, no corporate support, no, literally did it by himself, hand-to-mouth, trench warfare, street fighting he's now on tour

he's on the custom fit tour and he's doing an arena in Baltimore I don't think that's going to be the only one I would assume we're doing arenas in a lot of places hopefully is this Aaron soon yeah so it's the

it's the end of the in the shadows tour custom fit starts in April oh okay and that's when the arena starts but it's same thing you know just go Ali Sadiex just go Just hit Ali Sadie. Hit some.

There's going to be stuff in the show notes. Start clicking shit about Ali Sadieke. All right. Ali, here's my feelings about you. I've always thought like, oh, this guy's interesting. This guy is genuinely interesting. Like funny, et cetera, but more than that, interesting and layered. So what's the short explanation of what your life has been for people who don't, who are

completely I'm familiar with you. I think it's just been a life's roller coaster, you know, of being ungrateful, then being, having some sort of gratitude, and then being ungrateful again, and then learning to be more grateful,

you know, with, you know, I just, I just spoke about this, that, um, every time I buy a pair of Chuck Taylor's,

I should hug my mom or call her and apologize, you know, for putting her through that type of trial. of unbalanced, you know, thoughts of her son being incarcerated when I could have just accepted the Chucks. I didn't need the Bo Jackson's. All right, if you're picking up, he did six years in prison, not like prison.

And what you're saying is it wasn't enough to just wear chucks, you had to get some flash it, and then you needed money, et cetera, et cetera. Which I could have found. another way to get money, but that was what was presented at the time that you get a bunch of fast money

you know, and slow money as I have found out in comedy, slow money is a little better, last longer. You know, you have more fun, you know, and you have a little more gratitude. You know, I think that's what the base of me learning is

gratitude, you know, having, being grateful for the experience. When were you not grateful because that's it's funny that you brought that up so quickly. The comedy in the beginning of stand up and in life in the beginning, you know, those years of, you know, from like when I understood things from like, let's say, from eight to like 14, 15, very ungrateful, you know, because it's not like I wasn't eaten. Yeah.

You know, that's the, that's the thing. So, and I had this constant. of people like, oh, I grew up poor. When did you know? You know, when did you know that you didn't have or was it just not enough? Or did you see somebody and you felt like, okay, I don't have that?

You know, because if everybody is doing the same thing in the place that you are, then how did you know this is what they call poor unless you see somebody else? I thought my cousins and them were poor. That's no lie. Because I would, what's the difference? What were they doing?

What made you go like, uh-oh? So Nestle quick, right? Yeah. We always had milk to put that in. Yeah. They would mix it with like water and sugar and make some like little chocolatey, watery drink that that was awful. But I was like, so y'all don't have milk?

Like you don't put this in milk? Like, no, this is a water thing. No, it's not a water thing. It says use milk right on the thing. Like, like, man, that's, no, no. It's like, no, no, this is how my dad makes it. Like, your dad is insane. Like, yeah, no, it's a special recipe.

You know, like, when manwich, like, I remember my stepdad used to try to just put ketchup and onions and ground beef, it was like, oh, this is manwitch. No, it's not manwish. It's a can, and it tastes different, and it's sweeter. Manwitch was powder, right? No, it was in a can. You would pour, make ground beef,

and then you pour the manwitch sauce. Oh, right. And make the hamburger, like, man, like, my mom never did this. Then, like, she just worked, she just worked two jobs and went to school. It's like you, it's not like you're not eating. It's just we weren't eating the exact.

And we didn't live in, like, I remember living in some terrible apartments and my mom was like, oh, we only here temporarily. Like she, she knew that this was a temporary situation. So then we moved to some better apartments. Then we moved to some better apartments. And, I got in trouble when we was in the best departments.

And then I really started getting in trouble when we moved in the house in a nice neighborhood. That's not supposed to happen like that, right? Yeah, I'm thinking in my mind, like really when I look back on it, like, so you selling drugs and you live in a house and you go to a highly academic school. You know, it's not like you go to school.

And your sister's a jeez. What was it? Puberty? I don't know. It's outside. No, but do you know what I mean? But it's like 14. Is when you start fucking around, right?

I wasn't strong enough to mentally, to be outside, to be my own person. Yeah, I think that's what it was. You were just flopping around in the wind? It was in the wind. You know, just not really trying to figure out what manhood was and hanging around the wrong people who were portraying to be men when you're like,

but you're still seeing real men, dudes who worked and had and went to real jobs and, you know, That's the thing. It was just skewered thinking of what manhood was and then wanting to be the bad guy. Like, they're gonna be in the streets, like, goofy as hell when I think about it. Your dad, but so your dad was a hustler drug dealer, right?

No, my dad owned the carrier service downtown. What was he doing? What's the story about you? But he sold powder cocaine. So my dad started his carrier service downtown. with his friend named Ivory. So this was before the people on the bikes. This in Houston?

Yeah, before fax machines and all this stuff. So they would carry legal documents from businesses and lawyers and they would have to get signed and notarizing all this stuff, right? So they had these blue bank bags locked in, like attorneys would have cash money then, like everybody moved to cash. They would take cash and very trustworthy. But these guys were snorting powder. The delivery guys.

the attorneys got it yeah they were snorting powder and all these business men was snort and my dad was like you know i'll sell them some powder yeah they on my route i'm already there i'm already there you know so he used to put cocaine in these little brown vials what people used to you know yeah and he was in that atmosphere it's like they still was like the 70s like they were still like hitting that that studio 54 type of air so it's nothing powder he never sold sold crack, he just sold powder when it was expensive. You know, Coke wasn't plentiful at that time. It was like, yo, you, to be snowing Coke,

you had to have money. So it wasn't a- It's funny because both these stories, your story and your dad's story is not, it's not like the, we didn't have anything and we did a scrap and claw and sell drugs. And it's like, no, you were doing pretty good. My dad was doing, my dad living this high-rise.

First time I saw a window that was like, from the bottom all the way to the top upstairs. He stayed in this nice condo on Guffton, the street called Guffton in Houston, upstairs, downstairs, loft type. It was really nice. My dad had a motorcycle Yamaha Goldwing. He had a Z-28.

He had this car from Germany, and then he had a Pujo. He was doing really good in his carrier business. But powder cocaine, he started selling that and with long speed. All right, because you mentioned pills. Yeah, he's doing these pills. Like, it's like, okay, but it's not like that was his mainstream income.

That was like the side. It's like, yeah. Like, you know, like him, I never get. He didn't get caught, did he? No, never got caught with drugs. Nor did James and Iver, they were his boys that would help him with it. Like, my dad didn't need to do it. But then what happened is down the line, you know, he,

probably put some on his gums one time. And then I remember my dad, I was already selling drugs. And you were selling crack or just- I was selling crack? Yeah. So I'm like maybe 17. Are you going to school in selling, crap? Oh yeah, I'm always going to school.

It was no other place to go but to school. That's the only place you could floss at school. You're like the third person. Somebody said they used to go to school just to like, what's up? like socialize and I was girls and that's why I was going I'm going to go to school it's like you like you like school yeah no yeah but now I got money at school shrimp baskets for everybody it's a different ball game now lobster somewhere I

remember I remember pull it up at the school you buy oh you get you get shrimp baskets for the for on the house yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah my whole team shrimp basket. You know what I remember coming to homecoming and I had this little short mink on and I was in a... You had a mink! Yeah, a little short mink.

A little short muck a little wet their beak a little bit. Yeah, it was wild as hell in high school. How much did the mink cost? $800? Back then, it was like $6,700. It was like a mink jacket. They had leather right here and it on the, right here on the college.

It was leather on the sleeve, leather, but all the rest of it was mink, it was black. I love that jacket. The jacket was crazy. Were you getting girls? What? I was getting girls way before that, though. Yeah.

I was all right, a little dude. I was a break dancing. Say no more. You know, you can spin, you're good. Yep. Take out the cardboard. Yeah. But we're around the same age,

telling people what it was like to see break dancing the first time. It was, I'll never, I'm still like, what, what are you doing? The worst part of that is for when people wasn't in the era and then they try to, oh, I was the right. You didn't, you wasn't there. And it's okay that you wasn't there. You know, I wasn't in the 70s.

As much as I liked the 70s, I wasn't there. Yeah. You know, I didn't listen to Sylvester and I wasn't, I wasn't in the disco era. No matter what my dad was doing, I wasn't there. My dad explained to me one time that it's a huge difference between knowing about it and being there. Yeah.

And he, because you know my favorite artist is Marvin Gay. And he's like, you know everything about Marvin Gay, but you've never seen him. Yeah. And I was like, okay, huge difference. And then I think I got back at him later because I'm friends with George Clinton. Right.

And like my dad loved Parliament. Love Parliament. Love P. Funk. What's literally what's not to like that and I was like hey remember what you talking about Marble Gay I said you know everything about P-Fong but you never met George Clinton and I like know him and he knows me but he doesn't know you he's not curious he don't know anything about you sir um but I think that when you were in the era of it and people try to pretend as if they know

It just irks you. Because if you in your 40s, I'm 52. I was 12 when you were born. Yeah. You're not, if we're not close to the same. I don't care how many cousins you have. You're not the same as me because I was around, for real. Like I understand things a little bit more because I was around.

I would never try to explain to my mother about what was going on in 73. I was born in 73. She was already. She had problems. 20. Yeah, you know saying? She had my sister already. Yeah.

She had my sister already. Yeah. All right. So you're, you, so you, so you, because I think of, whenever I, I know guys that are like clearly intelligent, right? Like, you read intelligent, you speak into it, and then you get, you're selling drugs. And I always think, like, so to hear you say that you didn't have to sell drugs. Not it. It wasn't like, you know, rats and roaches and much.

It was just like, it was a, it was a choice. Good schools, good. And it isn't, and it was, is it ego? Is it just simpler? Is it just, is fast money? Just fast money trying to really, projecting, really, just projecting something that I'm really not even about

that kind of makes you something that you're not about late on. Like I wasn't really, I'm quite jovial kid. Then next thing, I know I'm a little more violent and volatile than I should be, only because I'm being shaped by what I'm doing. Right. You know, and I wasn't like this when I was playing football.

I wasn't like this when I was playing basketball. I wasn't like this when I was playing high and go seek outside my friends. It's like this occupation is changing the, the, your spirit. My whole everything. So then when you get incarcerated, Slow down. How do you, how do you get caught? And did you, because you're saying the special, like, you're going to, you're going to jail early or later.

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Who said your goodbyes? Said, then my partner called, me, it was like, hey, I need you to make this one run with me. I was like, man, I'm pretty good. He's like, I just make this one run with me. You know, we're going to split the bread. I'm like, alright. How much?

It was a split of 92 grand, you know, between me and him. But I'm already, I'm already good. Yeah. What were you going to, what was, what were you planning for your life? Man, I was in college. So I was like, yeah. finished school and the crazy thing crazy I'm 19 getting ready to be 19 I am on the verge of I'm gonna either be a Navy SEAL or a fireman at this time like I'm

like I'm gonna get get something to do something else you don't need to go to school for either of us too okay just one why why Navy SEAL and why not cop No, I wasn't throwing no cops. Is the Navy SEAL not a cop for the world? However you look at it, all I know is Navy SEAL sounds sexy as hair. No one's, of course. Navy SEALs, like when I say I'm a Navy SEAL, that is a whole different part of the game. Yeah.

It just sounded better. And my sister went to the Navy. Okay. So my sister was gone to the Navy. But I'm going to school because of different world. for sure literally the sitcom different ones yeah for sure going to school and then I wanted to be um I wanted to join a fraternity was crazy when I saw them I'm like all right I'm like I got money I'm cool I'm at um gaberson for Memorial Day this is where everybody go and then definitely all the

big time drug dealers we go to Memorial um Memorial Day we at the beach we had gals and air because this one like every it's just this is when it's the seawall this when everybody bring their cars out got it's it's a it's a it's a thing it's a thing all right so i got i have a bm.w uh 533 i white what kind of no champagne okay no this is and this is when we didn't ride tent we didn't do tent back then it just hadn't taken off yet nah you wanted people to see who was in the car did you have the this This is another thing that if you weren't there, did you have the neon under the...

No. Remember that? Yeah, my boy had the neon on this truck. I was like, I was always... And I'm like this now. I just keep my car like it comes. I buy it like it is. I don't put no system in it because it's already a system in it.

I don't put no different wheels on it. I may get a different tire, but that is about it. I'm not... Will you get rims when you say tire? It's going to come. with Rams. Okay. Well, I'm gonna get some Michelin's. Just a better tie, just for wear a tear. Just a better

tire. But I'm not doing anything to the car. It's like, I don't want it, I want it. It's a responsible flossing. I'm getting better radials. I want it. Factory. You know, I just want the car factory because I'm gonna buy a night. I'm gonna buy the car that I won't like yeah. Like now I have the car that I want and it looks like it looks and it's and it's a It's nice. When I pull up, it's not like, people are like,

oh, they're all, okay. Like, yeah. Are people are impressed? Oh, yeah, they're always impressed. Great. It's like, when I, when I pull up, it's. I got to think in, you live in Houston, right? Mm-hmm.

I got to think you're in the top five valet favorites. Oh, yeah, for sure. I can go top three, because I don't even know who else is it. Maybe who else would be in it? It's some people that's going to be in. in it but I'm definitely when I pull up my car you know how they park all the good ones in the front

I'm definitely going to the front of course is Katie in the top three thing now Kevin Durant he may be but you got slim slim is definitely gonna be in the top three you got you still got Jay Prince you got

oh yeah you got a lot of rappers yeah well that's what I'm saying got a lot of rappers then you have some people that's very unassuming who's slim Slim Thug. Ah, yes, okay. He's got a fleet of cars.

Okay. And he's, you know, any one of them going to be in the front. Do you, would it, 50 or 100? Depends on why I'm at. It depends. If I'm at the mall, if I'm at the mall, 50. Yeah. I'm at a restaurant 100, yeah.

Because you got a girl, is, are you married? Yeah. Okay. It's just, I don't, I, I know what the system was, and I don't know why. I don't know why you give 50 the mall and 100 at the restaurant, but I agree. You know. It doesn't. There's no logic.

It's no logic to it, but it's just, it works. It's an unwritten rule. Because we're on a date at the restaurant. It's more sophisticated, it's something suave. And you're going somewhere nice, you know, you had State 48 or, you know, someone like that, which we definitely going to State 48. Sure.

Yeah, I'm not hard to find in Houston. Sure. And State 48 on Thursday or Wednesday. I'm in there. Okay, so you get your, You go for, where'd you guys go to get the, no, we had it. To do the run.

So what is it? You gotta, what do you got to do? Just drop five kilos off to somebody. In Houston. In Houston. I'm with him. And. Half hour drive?

Something like that. I just know when we left the house, I was like, I mean, it's still a lot of police kind of like around. Like I, you know, I wouldn't normally see this many. police cars and it wasn't a thing where you were especially attuned to police because you got five kilos yeah I wouldn't be thinking about them but now I'm like it's kind of a lot of cars like it's a lot of like we and I'm seeing them in like random places I'm like oh that's odd okay that's odd so we get to the drop off place we're in different vehicles if I may or where did you pick it up

Is it a residential? We had the house. Okay. So many's house. We had his house. Okay. Leaving his house. We in the Astrovan with me and Mo.

Astrovan. I mean. And then we stopped transferred to his car in the trunk. And he had a, well, E-Series Bens, light blue. So he got it. So he's going to not come to the parking lot, but we are. But we're going to the meeting place. My job is always go count the money.

first and make sure everything is straight. Where do you do that? At the hotel where we were supposed to meet them at. Okay. Okay. So he knows two things are gonna happen. If it's a bad situation. What hotel? I'm just gonna ask.

Well, it's like, what's the name? Not a nice, like a day then. No, no, it's like a motel. All right. I'm talking to think, well, I can't even remember the name of the joint. Motel 6 or something like that. It's some weird hotel. We get out, we back in and me and Moe together,

and we go in the room. And I remember, when I think back on it, I remember, and I should have known, but I did know. I asked to use a bathroom in the room. I'm like, y'all, let me use y'all restaurant. And it's like, because I always would, any time I would come into a hotel,

I'm always gonna check the bathroom because somebody's trying to jack us or something. Right. But we don't have nothing with us, you know, because we just come in account the money, make sure the money's there. But if I sense that it's a problem, I'm gonna shoot first and ask questions later.

Mm-hmm. And, in my mind, I would, I would leave everybody in this room and the money. I'm not, I'm not murdering y'all. It's going to be a self-defense thing. Like, yo, I think they were trying to jack me. I left the money and everything, so I didn't, I wasn't killing them for the money.

So I was like this. I'm like, let me use rush them. Oh, our toilet is out of order. They got to come. I mean, Jay, why was y'all being here with the toilet out of order? Okay, whatever. And I'm, keep looking at the light,

And this in the red, because the light is in the bathroom was on. And I'm like, I don't see a shadow. But then when I'm talking to them, they step in front of me so I can't see the bathroom anymore. What are your rights at this point? Could you have walked and gotten away with it? Probably so. Probably hadn't done that yet.

Right. So when they put the money out, like this is the money X, Y, Z. All right, okay. So when I go in the bag and get the money, I start flipping through the money. I was like, yeah, what's these numbers on this money? Oh, this is money. These bank numbers.

They come from the, um, where are the numbers? They, on the bottom, like, right up under what the numbers would be on, that's on money. There's some other numbers that's on the money. And I was like, I was like, what is this numbers going on? All these bank numbers, this money came from the Franklin Bank. So when I always spend on a drug deal of money.

When I think about collector's financial bank, right? It's 13.01 Franklin is the county jail. in Houston. So yeah, they run in the sting operation. They would get it from Franklin Bank. Where they hold drug money. So are you, what's your stress level at this point? Is it more just like disorientation or like vague? Like what the fuck's going on?

I'm chilling right now because I'm taking the money out of the bag because I want to see. And then when I look at the money, I start putting the money back in the bag without even counting. I put the money back in the bag. I'm not gonna tell it, just random knocks, which is letting Mo know, which is the signal, hey, we're fin to get out of here,

these the police. So I was the money back in the mail, I saw, oh, we good, and they're like, you take the money, we're gonna now, y'all hold it. Walk out, I tell Mo, I say, hey, when you walk down to Charles, tell him not to come to this park a lot,

and then when you come back, then we'll drive off, because this is the police. But before that, when we were saying, sitting in the diner with it because what we what a hotel is we were sitting in the diner with other people and I asked I said why ain't nobody checking out of this motel like ain't nobody checking out what time it was it's just like 1230 yeah I said nobody's checking out yeah I said nobody's checking out is that the kind of thing you would notice yeah because I'm I'm I'm always been I'm the most observant of the team so I'm

I'm like, nobody's checking out, and y'all noticed that there's no cleaning lady. Like going up, because it's the outside, I want to know, there's no cleaning person. Oh, man, you just, no, I'm like, I'm, okay, whatever. So you went to the diner to like, to a week. We was waiting on the people to tell us what room. No, I'm saying beforehand.

You went to the diner to like just. No, we were just waiting in there. Like, got it. You know, whenever they tell us what the whole, what room they in. So once they told us the room in, we're moving down. So we backed up, I backed the astrovan up so I could see the room,

because I didn't want them to be behind me. So I wanna see the room. Moe was walking. This is the story that I get after the melee happens, right? So I'm sitting there, I've packed up things, getting things out the way in this astrovan, because we gotta get out of here. I see Charles pulling his car into the parking lot

of this. I'm like, but he's too far away. wait for me for me to say anything and I'm like yo what what is going on and I'm like he gets out he opens the trunk and the guy who looks in the because he has on the hat never he's one of the cops no the guy who the informant that then set us up that he's supposed to be buying a drug phone yeah he had a he had got shot in the past and had a um a hole through his jaw that had healed up. So this dude, this is when it went crazy.

So I'm in the driver seat. You know, an astrovan, you can turn and run straight all the way through the back because it's captain's seats. And we had the seats move. And I, when that dude, when Charles opened the trunk, that dude did like this and took his hat off. Like, very unnatural move.

Like, are you, like, blown away by this much dope or something? And he's like, wow, look at all this dope. Show some respect. So I take off running through the ashtavan and jump out the back double doors over this fence. Because I knew what happened. I knew it. It's like, imagine. So your friend who you said go tell, when you go to him.

I'm going to get to that. Sorry. This is what, when he took that hat off to signal that that dope, was in that trunk. Just imagine 60 people all of a sudden being in this room. Like somebody come from out of the curtains, somebody's trying to lamp,

somebody coming from this table. Cops are coming. Feds are coming from everywhere. Every place. Out of cars, out of, man, they come out of the ice machine. They're coming out of everything. So I jumped over the thing

and I thought they didn't see me. So I'm running through this field. and Charles managed to jump in his car and now he got them on a high speed chase. Everybody else is caught. So I'm on foot, Charles is in the car. They did see me though. Where they, how did they went to the get you?

They did, they, it was a good, it was a good little chase. I really was making it happen. Were they on foot? They was on foot with me, but I was bury sandering the shit out of these things. How'd they get you? Oh. So it's this, it's this bayou, right?

Houston's known in the bayous here. I'm just trying to make this bayou because in my mind, once I get to this bank, I'm going to swan dive out of this bank into this bayou, and I'm going to float my way back to Frito. Yeah. New Orleans. Yeah. I'm out.

So this fed, he running, got on too much stuff, and he grabbed my collar, my shirt, and I, And he failed. He's tumbling. You can see him tumbling. Are these black guys chasing or white guys? White. And so this other guy, he's right in front of me.

And I juke him and he is out the way and I'm running and I'm thinking I got it. And I did not see this one angling with me. And with that butt of that rifle, boom, gone down. Where did you get you? Face. It's like round one side of head. Then it's like he must have been like a former rodeo cowboy or something. Because when I fell and I'm rolling, he is like hog-tying me at the second.

So when they bring me back over, so they packing me back and they literally throw me back over the fence. And my shoulder lands on the thing that stops the car, the cement thing that stops the car. thing that stops the cars and i'm in the they got me in the in that room that i said the bathroom that somebody was the bathroom that's not working oh man did wasn't was it was it on order after they got me in there and i never forget it man this this little small white guy this big beard walks in and he says i'm not the goddamn police i'm not a sheriff i'm the fucking feds Boom! And you're going to tell me who was in that car.

And I was like, no, pretty much not going to tell you that. Boom! Right hands to the jaw. I'm like, man, I box this ain't. This in my mind. I'm like, yo, man, I box, like, golden glove style. Are you cuffed? You're cuffed behind it?

Sitting on the toilet. Sitting on the toilet. And he. But I'm listening to the chase. Charles is going ham. He's doing a good job. What do you mean? You're listening to it on the radio?

On their whole thing. He is going ham. He's running their ass to death. But they got the helicopter. They got, he on this road called Liberty Road, going too fast, loses control, and flips his car. And that's how they get him. And I'm like, they got him.

and I'm sitting in the back of the car now and Mo is in another car and I'm like what the fuck, right? So when they take us down I had to go to the infirmary they had to take me to the hospital

because I'm kind of beat up a little bit. You got a couple punches gun butt and a shoulder. Next Charles goes to the infirmary so we don't go to court for we don't get a rain for like two days so when we finally get a rain we get a rain. We get a rain.

together how many people are in the infirmary just me and Charles this is at county jail at the county jail you know so we're not there at the same time we just I just know just Charles had to go to infirmary so we get to court for the first time this is my first time seeing Charles and Mo and I'm like yo why is you coming in that parking lot he's like what I said why did you come to the parking lot with the dog because I told Mo to tell you don't come to the parking lock it was the cops so that's not what he said and I'm like well what the fuck did he say then and he's like multi-mline man your boy nervous him saying he thinking it's the

feds but it's good I said but is Mo in the yeah Mo's in the room with you so I said well what made you think I I was, what makes you think I was nervous? And then, Charles, why was you listening to him? Because I've been down with you, so I was 14. Why don't fucking are you listening to him? Because he's broke. He's broke.

And his mind is, I'm going to get a portion of his money, but he's broke. Yeah. Like, I said, you were fucking crazy. Like, and when have you ever even known me to be nervous? What am I nervous? What would I be nervous about? So we figured out why.

he was in the park lot and I'm pissed anymore I still don't talk to more to this day I don't talk to Charles to this day because he's lost his goddamn mind um beyond that or you're still oh Charles has lost his I haven't spoken to Charles in probably like eight years because of a situation that happened between me and him on something I wasn't even trying to do like his his daughters that was at this club that I used to do this comedy room at but there there another night I wasn't doing I just came up there so they're having a party and I know this you know and I can see how he could take this wrong whatever dude carries out the cake is the dude that the ladies mess with no what no dude

lets anybody else carry the cake out if you like if your wife is having having a party at the club you're probably going to carry the cake out you're saying but this is his ex-wife and i'm getting ready to leave the club and his daughters and his ex-wife roxan are all leaving and they had this huge ass cake and i was like at least you let me you want me to carry the cake out for y'all put it in the in the car and oh thank you so i'm carrying the cake out put it in the car and the next thing i know I wake up to my phone going off and I answer the phone Yo, what the fuck is wrong with you?

I'm like, yo, what is it? You know who the fuck this is here. Fuck as you carrying out of cake, man. Basically, you're like, cake motherfucker. Fuck as you carrying out of cake. Cake fun and shit. Who are you trying to fuck my ex-wife?

I said, Charles? Yeah. I said, hey, man. I was just fucking being nice carrying out the cake don't carry out no motherfucking cake no more I'm like and then it snapped in my head

like yo who the fuck is you talking to I say man remember remember this remember what I used to do for our crew I do that for me and only me and my family if you say something else

fucking crazy when you call my phone again yeah and he's like you just don't be carrying out no motherfucking cake and just hung up on me. Like, it's fucking insane man about the cake. So I like, Charles is fucking crazy. And then I heard after that he like got busted

with some doing some crazy shit with a dealer with some game consoles or something and got popped again. We're all over the place, let's stay all over the place. What do you think of violence? Because you seem, in the special I saw, I watched one special of a part four. There's a domino effect. There's four parts.

I watch part one. Between that and this conversation and what you used to, what you quietly did for the crew, you seem pretty comfortable with violence. Or at home or not, you just think it's a part of life? No, I actually. You got shot.

Wait, you shot somebody. I'm so, so, so. So remember, but have you been, you just, I, I, yeah, okay, go on. This is me with, with violence. I've never, in 52 years, I've never started a fight. I've ended a lot of them, but I've never started one. So I take it like this. If you're bothering me, which is a person that is not bothering you,

I take it like this, that you're trying to force you, your will on me and I have to show you why that's not a that wasn't a smart decision and that's where I'm typically at because I'm not going to start it never have but if you if you put me in that position I'm more angry that you are putting me in this position because you're making me something that I'm really not and you're putting me in its position. So I'm going to feel extremely bad afterwards

but I'm going to protect myself and protect my interests and I'm going to push the line because it's a different Are you like you're sending a message? Yeah man it's like I'm a different You know I watched this movie one time The Ice Man

The HBO one? It was a documentary, yeah. Yeah, the documented Ice Man. It's about a guy. He was a contract killer for the mom. Contract killer for the mom. But other than that, he was a pretty nice guy. Yeah.

I will say, I resented how, like, I'm just a regular guy. It's like, dog. But he was, through his family, his family, his family never, his family never thought anything. His family was like, yo, he's a good guy. And the part that I resonate with was this. Remember the three, because he didn't want to, he killed other bad people.

The ones that he had a problem with was the three college boys. Remember the three colleges? The one that he was driving, dudes playing with him on the road. And he was like, yo man, just, just go on. And they kept trying to like play with him on the road with the van.

And so they stopped. And he couldn't get by. He was like, yo. man just why don't y'all just go like why y'all doing this and he got out yeah and it and if those those you can see in his face these were the three people that he killed that he just didn't want to and I and I think about it all the time like yo man I don't want to do nothing to you that's not my that's not my goal but if you If you think that it's sweet, okay. But there's nobody that was locked up with me that would tell you that. They were like, are you talking about him?

Are you, you wild as hell. If you think that, you think that you're gonna run over him, you're crazy as all outdoors. Like, it's people in here that to tell you like, no, that's who, because I was like that, I was like this. I feel like that in prison? Yeah, I was like this, hey man, I'm I'm cool, bro.

Like, but who are you talking to though? Yeah. And it's only like one or two times I really had to really put my foot down because I was, I was too relaxed. And then you're like, man, I know you're not trying to do this with me. Yeah.

And I take it back to life, the movie life. One of the movies that I respect, because it depends. depicted things correctly. When I asked people about life, when they look at the movie, I'm like, who you think was the most vulnerable opponent in life? And most people, I always say Tiny, who was beating up Eddie Murphy.

I said, that's what you think it was? The most vulnerable? The most formidable. Formitable. Yeah. I said, that's what you think it was? Tiny. I said, so watch this.

When Tiny was beating up Eddie, somebody said, said that's enough that's it. That's it. Man's taking enough of a beating. And then it stopped. Right. Immediately. Yeah.

Who was it, Bernie? No. It was the guy who was telling the story at the end. My, I have two things I want to say. The best part of life is the blooper where Eddie has, goes, this isn't my watch. This ain't my daddy's watch. Fucking should have been the first.

funnier than the whole movie. I, okay. You say in your special, a guy punches you in the face at 15, a guy who's 6-4-240 Quincy. Quincy. Punch you in the face. You then

see him later, shoot him. Yeah. Okay. Then you see him at prison. Can't believe he alive. Can't believe he's alive. No one can. You hit him With a toilet brush.

Shitter brush, which is, is that violent? That's more humiliation, right? No, no. This brush is, this brush is. Heavy? Like, you, yeah, you, you, you can hurt people with this brush. This is what we clean the toilet with. And it's made out, it's made out wood.

It's a real heavy brush. Okay. And I don't know why they're giving prisoners. Because you got to clean the toilet. No, I get it, but we move on to hard plastic. They moved on the plastic. After the wood, they moved on the plastic. And the plastic was still a bad look.

It's a long, so they're going to turn it into something. Yeah, we're going to turn this shit into something. Then you see him at Walmart and you're getting ready to jump. Okay, so. With my mom. Right. So I don't know if that's consistent with what you just told me. Is that, is, are you going to rain down violence on Quincy until literally he apologized?

I see double out of my eye every direction besides straight because of him. because of him. Yes. I was 15. Yeah. You're a grown man. Yeah. When you hit me.

Yeah. And you snuck me from behind. You broke five bones in my face. Yeah. I get it. I had to have surgery. It's, I, it's,

I'm absolutely. I am very similar to you. I think I'm okay with, with, okay. Okay, I can say I'm okay, but I haven't seen him since Walmart.

But I think I'm all right. I think I'm, I think I'm, if I, if I, spoiler alert at, in Walmart, he was like, he's in a walker and finally goes like, I'm sorry I was on crack. Okay. So I'm with you. I think I'm good. What are you? What are you?

Who was that for? Who's that? Because you're not sending a, you're sending a message to Quincy. It's for Quincy. Quincy. Quissy. Quissy, he got to understand that what he did was so foul that I never I've never snuck anybody I'm gonna always give you the fair fight if I lose I lose but I'm not gonna sneak a god dangone kid from behind it's like I know I'm I know I'm

I'm selling dope but damn I'm my back is turned it was what Quincy did was wrong definitely wrong but what I'm saying is I think you got a little sympathy for Quinn's no I have I have all the I'm arguing with myself because I'm a I wake up with grudges just like you do so so but I'm trying to talk myself out of them because I because I literally go this is self-care I'm protecting past Neil from and and and I'm that there's some cosmic justice that I'm dispensing on people and when I that's why I'm asking about violence like what do you I don't want to do That's the bottom answer is I don't ever want to really be violent. You would have to push me to that point.

Because I walk away from it. Now, if you, it's ways to get your feel if that's what you're trying to do. But I'm going to generally walk away from something. But if you, if I feel like you're trying to intimidate me or push me in a corner. Or if you have, say if you have other people with you, now you have piqued my interest. Because now I wanna show you the difference between you,

so you think your people are going to stop what's gonna happen? That's what you, that's what you think. So you'll stop it eventually. You have put these people in jeopardy. Yeah. And I'm going to reign on these people as well. And I got to try to tell people, I don't, I'm, man, I'm nice, man. I'm not, in that I probably just don't talk to people a lot.

I don't, I stayed to myself because I don't want that, I have a problem with, with, it's hard for me to be out here in California. It's hard for me to deal with industry people. And I hate that he was right, but he was. So Dick Gregory is so right when me and him talked. And he was like, yo, you're going to have to do a lot of self-work on yourself when it comes to dealing with the industry. Because you are too volatile because you stand on manhood. Right.

And you're not going to be able to listen to bull and be okay. So I'm trying to tell you you don't have to adjust yourself and I'm like I'm cool. Man this old man, don't know. And then I'm a straight shooter. Say no. Cool, I'm cool with no. I don't need your phone number. I don't need your pretend in front of people that we cool.

I don't need none of that shit. I'm good. If you over there, I'm over here. Fine, I don't have no problem with you being over there. just don't have no problem with me being over here. I don't, don't say no shit about me that's not true. And then it gets back to me and I'm like, the fuck are you talking about?

Yeah. Did you get that from me? Because I don't have no problem telling you anything. But it's like, I don't, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I was, I was, and I was just, guy named Herb that lives here that people know. Herb, on, we was at this thing for Malikas and Tisha

Arnold Tashina. Shows some respect to a beautiful black queen. Go ahead. She wanted to get my attention and he touched me.

And I turned, I'm like, man, why are you, what's all the touching about, bro? What? She wanted to, I said, so what's wrong with my name? You don't know my name? You could have just simply said,

Ali. and I would have turned around, but don't, man, don't put your hands on me. The fuck? I thought about it the next day, and then I, I DM'd him. And I said, man, let me apologize to you. Because you don't know that I don't,

I don't like people touching me. You have no idea. So, and then you touched me right on my brand. You tap me on the brain that's on my arm. And then you tap me on my arm that's surgically repaired. So sometime my arm still be numb. It's this tingling feeling from them putting a cadaver tendon in my arm.

The nice people in prison? No, and when I was surfing, I did it in 24. So it's not, it's healed. Oh, it's new. It's healed, but it's still. Yeah, it'll never be the same. kind of thing. Yeah, so when he touched me, I said, and I just explained to, man, you don't understand that and you don't know that. You didn't know that. But so I'm very aggressive when it comes

to this type of shit. So let me apologize because, you know, I didn't mean no harm. I don't think you meant no harm, but I, yeah, I'm not with the touching shit. And he's like, man, my bad, you know, I didn't know. I said, oh, cool, cool, but if you take that wrong and say something about me after I've already apologized about it, then I'm going to be like, the Yeah. And so, all right, well, here's what I want to ask you. So you're one kind of kid at 14, right? Very jovial, then you start jovial,

just regular sweetheart kid, rough, more or less, right? I'm assuming. Then you start, you get on the street, and you get darker. People try to take advantage of you. Right, you get darker. Then you go to prison, and I'm assuming you get twice, three times it's dark.

First two years. that's where the darkness first two years I was a freaking wild man and then what do you mean about that oh yeah like if you want to fight or you want to you want to do anything I'm with it like I'm I'm with it it's like in my mind I got a it's like my you got to establish your it's like my first year high school yeah I got I got to establish who I am yeah I got to make the varsity team it was the varsity of violence I Let it be understood like, hey, I'm not nothing to play with. Then Blackshire, he's got old cat named Blackshire.

It's like, he wanted to talk to me because he was trying to get the young people to stop fighting so much. How often do you fight? Oh, every chance I get. Once a month? Shit, no, like every three days, this unit is a, it's a wild place. And are you getting like you're getting at, add it on to your sentence or it's just like no people fighting break it up people don't know scars don't know everything that's going on oh so just it like peters the self yeah yeah and it's a good

it's a good it's a good time it's a good time it's a show it's an afternoon show for that's because people calling people out what you what you want to do like whatever you're trying to do is that so black sure they the old old guys get this thing unbeknownst to me this old guys like yo we need to try to get this union all these young people fighting and Black said well the first person we got to get is him and he's like who the little one yes the one who just threw the basketball over the goddamn fit and I'm on the court and I'm arguing somebody and I'm like I don't go a fuck about this man I threw this shit over this I see this is who this crazy-ass man is who we got to get because they literally listen to him that kid's a star that kid's a wild star so they talked to me

And I'm laughing all the way through the conversations. Like, I don't give a shit about what they're talking about. But it's this dude named Malik. Oh, man. I never forget Malik. Malik short. And he's like, Barry Sanders built. Like, he had muscles all in his head.

And he was like, yo, man, let me tell your ass something. Either you're going to listen to what we're saying or somebody is going to kill you in this. prison from all this shit you do and I was like are y'all to somebody and he's like no we're not the goddamn somebody you think it's a game I'm like like no I'm just asking what is the who is the somebody's he's explaining to me about make doing time the right way so I kind of I kind of chilled out what did you think your life was going to that's what I never said I didn't I got 18 19 I got 15

I'm 19 years old. Oh, you got 15 years. I got, I got, I got, man, man, four days after I turn 19, I'm locked up. I got 15 years. I'm getting out of this shit when I'm 33. It's over. What am I going to do?

I'm here. Yeah. And I don't, this is my first time of being locked up. I don't know how this shit work. All I know is nobody's going to do anything to me. And I'm like, this, I'm standing, because I'm here, I am literally here by myself. I'm by myself.

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to I was 14. And I was jovial then then shit started happening. Quincy didn't happen until I was 15. Right. And I was saying that, that way, I wouldn't jaded at that time still. You know, I'm still kicking with my people, but that, my turning point was,

in domino effect too, people who've seen it. My turning point was my sister dying, my baby sister dying. And that's when I really got bad. Like, I was, I was bad, I was bad news at that time. In present? No, I was in the street. Oh, before, got it.

My sister died when I was 18. Ah, got it, got to, got it. So this is the, this is who I go pick up every day from school and walk home with and, you know, this is my baby sister. And, you know, she ate, you know, so when she passed, yeah, I was depleted. Like, I, I didn't have anything. Like, I was probably the darkest. So just, like, nihilism, I don't give a fuck about, I'll kill, I don't give a fuck. Saying what's up to me would get you killed at that time.

Like, what's up? I'm like, what's up? Like, my, I was purposely didn't have any understanding because I was too wounded. And I, in that special, I kind of dealt with it and explained how bad I was, how bad off I was.

Because I didn't realize it how bad I was. What did you think? Did you think, how did it read? I don't give a fuck. Was it, did you ever think, I'm sad? Or it was just I'm fucked up. Well, I think that because I didn't deal with everything at that time, people have no idea that.

My sister passed, months later, my son, my first born son passed, and I didn't know it. And I didn't even get a chance to go to the funeral or nothing. So I'm like, Yeah, I'm shot. Like, I don't have no heart. I don't have anything. I'm just really gone.

But you're still going to school and on the street? Yeah, but I'm still fucked up. Like, I'm really bad off at this time. Yeah. I'm masking a lot at this time. Were you drinking drugs? Did you do anything with it? I wasn't drinking none of that.

Just like, just in it. Yeah, I'm just in it. You know, at that time, it wasn't a, even though I know I could get anything, but nah, I wasn't heavy on anything. That wasn't my coping mechanism. Was there, like, records you could listen to, movies, you know what I mean?

Like, what captured it? What felt, what's a piece of art or movie or that is like, that's how it felt? It's kind of like when you see Malcolm, mix of or Martin Luther King's funeral. Mm. How devastated people are. Yeah.

The one for me is when Bobby Kennedy tells the church that Martin Luther King got shot, and it's just like, you hear just like, it's chilling. Some very sad news for all of you, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and was killed tonight in Memphis. You were in that state for people months. You know how I own the Jeffersons, when Martin Luther King, and they just

ride, they just start the anger, the outrage, they just start rioting. Brother Martin, he's dead! You bastard! That's what it was like in my head. And at the time, the person who I would lean on, she's, she's, my mom is gone. She's, my mom, worse off, just as bad off? My mom is, my mom is absolutely destroyed. She's destroyed. So you have to support her. I can't support my mom.

I'm, I'm, can you sit there next to her? My mom is gone, my mom is so gone that I would, I would be laying in the bed. My mom would just come and just lay next to me and just cry so hard.

Like, it was bad, it was bad, man. When I think about it how my family was just fucked up at that time. And I think we was all just trying to run away from each other basically. Because it was crazy. That had to be, and it still is, like the worst, just the worst pain that I think I've ever experienced. You know, it was so bad that my dad, My sister wasn't my dad's daughter.

My mom and dad had already been split up. I remember walking out of the funeral, and my dad was, like, in a distance. And he was just crying. He was just bawling. And it was just crazy. That was, like, the worst goddamn time. And so me being still a kid and very,

even though I'm street savvy I'm still not emotionally stable at all like this shit is I'm in pain and my mentality is to afflict the most pain on

people who crossing me or what a business that I'm doing as possible so when I got inside I'm still in that place and by the way there's probably a lot of other guys in there in a similar place.

Yeah, I'm still in that, in that hurtful place. And I'm like, yo man, you're not. I've already had something taken away from me. You ain't taking shit for me. You ain't taking nothing. Like you, you, you can't take up my time. You can't do nothing.

And I don't even think dudes was trying. It was like, I didn't seem like, the type of person that was a push over. They was like, man, don't fuck with that little dude. Because his, the coldness in his face tells it all. Like, he is like, whatever, man, what? What's funny is you can still, you, all this reads on you. Like, I can, without knowing it, you have, like, a sadness.

And it's like, it's like, what I said, it layered. I didn't know about any of that. in particular, but it's just like human, you know, beams one to another. It's like, yeah, that guy's got a lot of weight. And what do you make of that versus the, you brought up gratitude and then you get out, start doing stand up, and your life, I'm assuming, this has got to be around your wildest dreams, beyond your wildest dreams? What do you make of it? What do you make of that and this?

The happiest I am is with my family. Like, my family really enjoys when I'm around because I'm the person that I was before. 14, age 14. And I'm like the weirdest dad. You know, my kids are, I got old kids, young kids. How old are your kids? From 32 to 5.

like I have like kids. And the way I deal with them, everybody is different. And I have a, me with Hanan is different than me with anybody else. Because Hanan is the one that I talk to about money. He's, no, she. She, Hanan, she is. And I talk to Hanan a lot because I know that I have to instill a lot of confidence in Hanan because she was sick early on.

And I know that kind of hurt her development or something because so many things she couldn't do because she was weak. And now she's getting stronger and she's tall and she's gorgeous. And I just always want to let her know that, hey, hey, man, you're good. You know, and that's who I talk to about money, finances. And she's such a pit bull when it comes to money.

And I was talking about my silver and by my gold. And then somebody else walked the room. We was like, we just both got quiet. Then they left and we started laughing. And he's like, you know, it's us. This is our thing. And then I have Helena. Helena, to watch Helena is to get a chance to watch my oldest daughter again.

Because these two people have the most determination to do something. Like when they locked in, I remember that my oldest daughter, Jaden, when Jaden figured out that she wanted to be a chef, it was like, it's almost like I saw a light bulb over her head. This is what I'm doing. This is what I'm locked into. And it matched her. And so she went to a culinary high school, all culinary classes,

plus our regular classes. and she was in culinary school. Then she went back to school to get a master's in food and science. Then she started, she worked at front of the house of a restaurant. Then she started working in the back of the house of a restaurant. She was helping open up restaurants. She was buying for other restaurants. Then she got a chance to run her own restaurant.

Then two years later, now she owns a restaurant. And I saw the determination. It's kind of like when I started doing stand-up. When I got out, I knew this is the road for me. Like, they say don't put all your eggs in one basket. I took all the eggs and cracked them in a basket. Like, though, can't even pick them up no more. They're like, this is where they're going.

And it's all things comedy for me, and it's all things stand up, you know. So to see Helena start, first, she was, went to a ice she got on the ice skating rink she got to her ice skating rink on a wednesday Friday she took a class Saturday she was on a team Sunday she's being putting the program that's at five now she's eight and we are 11 competitions in two silver medals nine goal and this is with all these Olympic coaches and watching her like you're Like, this is what I do.

I skate and this is what I'm going to do. And I'm, me watching her determination. And for a little eight, yo, her body feels different. Like, she can't, when she runs and jump on me, like, no, it's like catching Barry Sanders. Right. Like, she, it's like, yo, I got to brace myself. Like, this is a bowling ball of muscle. that because she skates every day.

And then the Hassan is very, man, I don't know what I want to do. I'm just here. I'm just chilling. And I was like, this is the worst goddamn part of me. Like I'm looking like, yo son, this is, this is not good. This is, this is the, this is the worst part of your father that ever existed. Like, man, I don't know what I want to do.

Well, how did you get out of it? How did you get to the other part? How did you get to the determine? part within in your life well I hope that it doesn't take him to go like right you need to figure it out still were going to be a Navy seal and all that shit so Hassan says he wants to be a veterinarian okay cool I'm one of them fathers that I support whatever you're trying to do for don't tell me until you're ready because I'm all in like and whatever you're trying to do I'm all in it we have so much stuff in our house from things that they thought they wanted to do and I always think about

the Cosby episode he was like hey I want to do this like I mean remember when you wanted to play we're talking to the knees remember you want to play this remember you want to do that and I that's who I am when it comes to that and you know I don't know if I'm spoiling them but I don't care I know that eventually something's going to shake if they're going to do whatever they choose to do. And I'm just going to be there to support it. And that's my happy space with them.

I don't want them to ever go through anything that I went through. Like I want to shield them from all that. Have your own simple triumphs, trials and tribulations, but don't have no you don't need to go through no detrimental shit. You don't need to go through no,

you don't have to learn by trial and error when I'm telling you. But you also know that they probably do. You know, as a human experience. I'm curious about your, what do you make of it in the aggregate? Meaning, like, you have eight hours and it's mostly stories, or all stories. You attract these stories. No, I don't know, whatever.

You've been involved in all these stories. You're good at telling them. You're something. There's something special about you. Why? Why do you think that's true? Because I know you know that and I know you, I look at you and I'm like, sad guy, belief,

back against the wall, took a chance in himself, was right. I wrote this book, Applied Advice. So these are like the 13 tips that I got from 13 people that I applied to myself and just, say I gotta add this and these things are little sparks that when you when you you you down and then you get this tit bit of information that keep you going to the next level right so Billy D Washington long time great comic I remember when I was trying to find my voice in comedy and I didn't want to be slapstick I didn't I just knew that what I was doing wasn't enough for me.

This is 98.99? Shoot, shit. All the way up to about 2003, you know, my comic view, my comic view appearances, it's like jokes, you know, and I just wanted to be more than jokes and I knew it was something,

but it was something I didn't know. Because with comedy, I didn't know how to do it, so you just had to, you learn how to be a comic. You learn how to be a good comic. By being around comics and being in the environment,

So you learn it. And when he out of the blue came to me and said, I'll live on to tell you something. I was like, I'm OK. And Billy don't talk to everybody. So I was like, OK, what's up? Say, hey, man, when you're not being funny, be interesting.

Right. What? Gone. I was like, oh shit. interesting like what's that okay let me figure that part out then the end part that I needed Diel Dio Higley we have a regular conversation and he says hey the funniest you won't ever be in your life is based on how honest you want to be that's the other part that I need for the interesting part I'll leave just going to have to start talking about your

life and what happens to you and in all aspects. So my two sons is different from the domino effects. I hadn't told a story about being locked up in the 17 years I had been doing comedy up until I was on the show, this is not happening when I did the story about the prison ride. Our story is about prison danger, seeing that I look so menacing, and you know, and I'm black, so you know it's going to be about crime.

I didn't want to get cast-hyped into, oh, he's a prison guy. So I did the story, then I did the story about Mitchell. I'm killing Mitchell. I've already put it in my mind. Then I did the story about mushroom. The mushrooms! I'm about to be a white man, Billy. So I thought that they understood that I'm more than just these two stories. I'm the mushroom story, too.

Let me go past it. Then I do a half hour special with Commerstrelts Central. I had nothing to do with prison. Then I do a full hour special where I did the show inside of a prison, but I didn't talk about prison. I did the show inside of a prison. Did you acknowledge you were in prison? Thank y'all for being here.

Now, it's not like y'all had a choice or nothing. What you were gonna do, sit in your cell, or come to a show? It's free. You already paid the cost to be here. That's just no... Not that we was in prison, but I was doing free world stuff in a prison.

prison next day. I was like, you're in the club, right? Like, God damn it. Cut away. I'm like, fuck. So, then Domino effect comes out, which is really not about

prison, about where I went wrong at and started to break down of how life started. So two is about lost. The three is about the first day of school, which is meaning the first day of being incarcerated after I hadn't been lost,

I lost my freedom, then four pens and needles is me. I got, I'm gonna get paroled and I can't tell nobody because I'm not trying to get re, you know, something happens, something happened and I gotta get rebooked or something like, I'm not, so now I'm out. Then my two sons, I do my two sons. Before that I did, don't judge a book by his cover,

and I did this PTA thing about me being the president of PTA. So then I do my two sons, which is one of the happiest times I've ever had performing. Because it's just me talking about the relationship between me and my two boys. Yeah. And can I ask you a question? Are you getting, are the laughs different going from regular stand-up to stories? Did you have to get used to like, because? going 40 seconds without a laugh.

Because I also, I use the chair, sit down, stand. Did you have to like, okay, I have to make it all of this thing? I developed it when I was on the road with DL. You're opening for DL? I was opening for DL from 2006 to mid-2006, all 2007 and 2008. And when I'm open for him, Gary Monroe, big shout out to Gary Monroe.

Gary Monroe would challenge me. D.L. First, I'm doing damn near an hour because it's a two-man show. D.L. ain't there yet. They like me when they get there. And Gary would like, hey, I bet you won't go without no music.

What? On stage, no music. I bet you won't go out there. sit down the whole time crazy up there sit down the whole time yeah are you scratchy when you're sitting down are you like oh man I want to get up no I'm just I'm just in it all right and bet you won't tell that story but I'm like yes I will and then the L he says it you know the scariest thing about you I'm like, what?

What's on me? Oh, man. Yeah, you're not going to be with me long because you're going to move up. You know what's terrifying about you? Like, what's going on with that? You are not scared of silence. It's like you fucking live in it.

And then, boom. He said, I've sat in this green room and I've never worried about you. Like, you would, like, some people would be in the green room. Yeah, it's quiet. It's quiet out there. He was like, and he said, I would be in the green room, spoke with my sick of all the mom.

Okay, watch. Yeah. You're going to blow the doors off this shit. Then all of a sudden, boom, like, what story was he telling? He's like, man, this shit's crazy how he's doing it. And he would say, I would come out and watch. He was like, yo, it's my friend. is, yo, Gary, he's not gonna be here long.

Yeah. Then I'm gone. Should we raise his pay? No. Gone. No, definitely not that. 2008, I'm gone. He always talked about, I can't afford you now. I was like, yeah, yeah, no. Didn't stop me before.

So I went on the row with Bill Bellamy. I hosted his Ladies Down Out Tour for a while. And I was in and out. And I just knew, I felt like kind of like I was losing myself because I'm the host. I'm coming out and I'm being energetic XYZ. But this is not my show. This is not my show. So when Comedy Central, when I went to Comedy Central 2013, I had turned down a bunch of shows they offered me in 2014 because I had won their Comedy Central competition.

I had won that. and they was trying to put me on Adam Devines playhouse. I'm like, nah. So it's a big shout out to a, you know, and I'm still in this mode where I still listen to Young Comics too. Like I don't just listen to the elder. I listen to Young Comics. Chase DeRuso hit me and it's like, yo, man,

it's a show that you should be on. And that's this is not having Arshafia's storytelling show. This is really going to showcase what you really do. Because I'm in Houston at the Houston Improred. going this is what I'm really doing my show like I'm at home and I'm like I'm people coming and man when I did that show I was like yo man this is this is the lane for me like because I just like that story was crazy it just went I didn't even realize that it was going to do what it did but it just changed the game for me so they And then I got invited again and I did Mitchell. And little old ladies would walk up to me in the airport and be like, you should have killed him.

I was like, what? Man, what are you talking about? I said, about Mitchell. I was like, I get it. Now this is a thing about, it's not about Mitchell no more. It's about the violation. And seeing somebody get back at somebody about being violated because in your mind, You never really know how many women have been violated and never been able to get their leg back or rectify.

So this was me, them seeing themselves and me based upon this story. I was in the fucking bestival area with my balls lifted up, squatting, letting this fucking child predator look at me. It just dawned me. This is the lane that you're destined to be in. You have to start doing. this. So when I did Domino effect the first one and I started out like and I gave a, I'm 10. It's like 1883. I'm 10.

And I made this decision. That wasn't the best decision. And sometimes people don't have time to sit down and think about their decisions and what got them somewhere. I used to always say when I was

locked up am I the only person in here that's guilty because everybody else was like I ain't do nothing I'm like god damn I'm the only person here that's guilty so in life you see it's seen like am I the only person that that can see why I was wrong at like you can't you can't see where you may have made a misstep that you is nothing now it's just all it's just everybody else so nothing I can see when I'm wrong without Somebody even telling me, I can see it.

It sounds like you're more, you, I mean, there's like the thing, bring your whole self to work. It seems like you bring more of yourself, like your whole, because you can still, you're doing jokes within these stories. You're doing like, obviously just doing like observational, you know what I mean? Like the shit about your dad and the potato sack

and all it, like, whatever the food, like, you're just doing material, you're doing, it's clatt whatever standard observational comedy within there within so it's probably like what you were doing on comic view plus it's like comic view plus this is not happening right and you end up with like your own thing what do you make we got to wrap it up what do you make of it all what do you make of your life i'm happy that i achieve this one goal because how what i make of all this is based upon people used to ask me hey man when do you think you're going to blow up and i gave you to give my honest answer when i pay the universe back for the damage i've done and this success really feels like

i didn't i've paid some of my debt back so i get the blessings of what i'm doing now because i've paid the debt and I can live without any type of remorse, you know, because what I was doing was kind of really, was not even kind of, was really detrimental to my environment. And then what I've tried to achieve with staying in Houston and really being different from everybody else. And, you know, I would never thought my name would have been on the wall at the comedy store. never would have thought it. You know, I would have never thought that I'd have been selling out theaters. I just wanted to be a good working comedian.

Yeah. You know, just, hey, because I was before the, hey man, I sold out of show. I remember when it was just okay with it, hey man, it was packed. And I missed that time. We were asked, hey man, how many, who was there? It was packed. What was the payback?

What were the, when you say I paid the universe back, how? Being a better person. helping you know I have a day in the same city that I was so destructive in for humanitarian so literally just doing shit in the community just doing good shit for people just doing just being a better goddamn own person than I was helping helping in secret not needing I don't need no notoriety for helping because I didn't need no notoriety from crime I was fucking up and you know the ride for crime I was

fucking up and in the shadows so I can help in the shadows. You know, it's a lot of people I would, and they know they better not ever say, you know, what I've done for them. Just, hey man, just take your blessing and allow me to be a blessing, you know, allow me to help. You know, so the, you know, everybody know my number one thing

is feeding the elderly people. I'm my 20 plus years donating food to the Houston food bank donating money to the Houston Food Bank then changing that money to a pantry that needed money or helping with a school or coming somewhere like I tell people all the time don't have to pay me

nothing I'd rather come for free you're saying then to come and you give me anything because I'm just give it right I'm gonna give it right back you know just generally helping people If somebody need me, I'm there. You know, give me an opportunity to earn that blessing. You know, I don't have to say how many people than been behind me in the line I paid for their food

because that's not the, that's not what I'm doing it for. You know, I remember Marcus said something to me, and then I said something back to him. And he said, you know, that's the, that's the thing I've ever, Marcus Stewart Wilder. That's the best thing I've ever even heard somebody say. I was in the, um, the mom. and I'm being goofy.

This lady walked by. I said, hey, you got $20 because I ain't got no money on me. And then lady said, if I did, if I had $20 spare, I would give it to you. So I pulled out $100 and I gave it to her. Marcus said to me, he said, man, you know, people record stuff like that for content. I said, what? He said, people record stuff like that for people to know. I said, I don't need that.

God recorded it. And I'm cool with that. Yeah, there's also a thing in the Bible or the Torah. It's like if you publicize it, you ruin it. You ruin it. You lose the blessing. Yeah. Quran in the same way.

Yeah. You know, so I just need to do that. And I used to tell people, Hey, it's some people that you make rich and you just made them rich. I say, but when he give it to me, he gives it to everybody. Because I don't have the value for money like that. When people hit me up on Instagram, I just got to know who you are. I'm not going to let you scam me for no money because now you're taking out of somebody else.

That probably really needs it. But people that hit me and like, I'm doing, I don't know. I'm like, but I don't know you. Yeah. But in my community, I make it an effort to make sure that people in my community are straight. Because that's where I come from. And this is like with kids. And why you never move from Houston?

I say because that doesn't serve me well. Because the people from my neighborhood and the kids that are in my neighborhood, they have to have direct access to me to ask me the questions that they want to ask and see the person that's successful. I'm saying if I moved to LA of New York then that community gets that opportunity and then these are people that I don't know I need to be able to give it to the people that's right in front of me that saw me come up

and that can find pride and say yo you know he from here right and not only he from here oh there he go right there and that's and that's that's really that's really

what I love that's the real part of what I love that yeah I'm in my community people know why I'm at you can see me and if you got if you need me I'm there you know that's that's I think man some people like Muhammad Ali don't get enough credit man that's how Muhammad Ali was man he didn't need any security around him man he's he with the people yeah and when you were really with the people that's different I'm a hold my word you know I'm a I'm a hold my word to my community I'm a hold my word to anybody I'm doing business with.

This is why I stay away from industry stuff. You know, you gotta kind of really prove that you're not an industry guy with me because I think that industry people are doing anything to make it. But people who understand that what's for you is for you. You're gonna, I'm not jealous of your career.

I'm not jealous of anybody else's career. because that's for you. I can be happy for you. If I was still in the clubs, just doing clubs, man, am I taking care of my family? Am I still a good life? It's still a good, and I think that's the gratitude that

a person that's in the bars that don't work a regular job, you work the bars. You got you in B and C rooms, but you don't have no job. You still, you, you, you, people, the mic on, people coming to see you. The mic's plugged in. People coming to see you, you, mic's on, you're doing what you doing.

You have to be grateful for that, but you will look at the people who are in mainstream A clothes and we, and I should be the, but what about you don't have a nine to five job and this is what you do and you in different cities. Why are you not grateful for that? because when I was in the clubs, I never even thought about the theaters. It was never even a thing.

I got six shows. I never even asked who's out there. I never asked if it's sold out anything because I'm going to perform for who's ever out there. If it's a 500-seater and it's 250 out there, I'm going to give the 250 the show that they came to see. And I'm elated. It's like this is about being a gratitude.

So it's not a flex. that you say oh well I mean I'm doing this many people you doing this many people I'm doing people yeah because I don't have a man you know understand I'm making a living I don't have no job yeah I'm a ghost like like the biggest thing about comics is I'm not gonna go to that club they offer me $1,500 and I'm like to do what they offer me $1,500 to perform no no no no no no they offered you $1,500 to practice yeah exactly So I said, let me get it straight. I just want to just put it in the boat for you.

So they're flying you in. They're putting you up. You're going up doing your material in front of people that don't really know you yet. And some people may know you. And then they're going to get you $1,500 at the end. Wow. And you are saying what to me, sir? Yeah.

Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. You let me find an off weekend where I'm not doing something. Yeah. and watching C. I can't believe I'll leave at the Looney Bend. You goddamn going to write on me in here. Yeah.

Because I still have this healthy addiction to this stage. I've never really been anywhere in, and like, I'm not even, because I'm not going to go in the comedy club if I'm not going to perform. Because something's going to be, I'm going to be in there tripping. I'm like, I'm like, yeah. So what's happening right now?

So what's happening? Like, Holly, you want to go up? Yes. Yeah. Yes. And now I'm into this thing that I really feel like I can change what a guest spot is. Like, I don't think people realize, like, people ask me for a guest spot. I'm like, but you're not a guest spot.

What a guest spot would be is I brought you out. People know your guests. Oh shit. Neil Brennan's this crazy. I was at all these show Neil Brinidad. It's fucking crazy. Yeah. I remember I was in Zanis.

I'm a headline in Zanis for this festival. And my man said, you know what me do something? I said, you're sure right. They introduced me. I walked down saying, yeah, I'm not ready. They just brought my food. I want to eat a little bit.

but why I'm eating, I want to bring one of my friends out. Y'all give it up for my friend. And then I walked off stage and Ricky Smiley walked up and they lost their goddamn minds. Ricky did 15 minutes. Then he introduced me. People say I look like white Ricky. I can see it. So then I did the next day.

I did the same thing with Ms. Pat. Same thing. Ms. Pat walked out. They lost it. Ms. Pat did 15 minutes. Now what? That's a guess, right? it's like what

rappers do the feature is somebody that people know you know that gets that gets on his record is somebody people know

and I want to do it where like I like when I pop up on DL just randomly he's somewhere and I just show up and he's like

you're gonna go on stage like man for you yeah and then I I'm like hey just don't introduce me I'm good

And I walk out and they'll lose their mind. My mind was like, this is what a guest spotty is. I pop up on Bill, Bill Belamine, and I just, I go up on the show. Like, he'll be in the green room. He don't even know I'm there. Then he just hit me talking. And I'm a host for the rest of the night. And he comes out, you're like, oh, shit.

Then I bring him up. It's a lot of fun and comedy if people take part. of it and that's what I think mainstream is because in the black rooms a lot of times a lot of tension yeah who's better than who and this that and the third and the flyer want to talk about the flyer whose name is not the flyer and yeah yeah but in mainstream rooms by the way Roy Wood sends me southern flyers southern comedy flyers just fonts and graphic it's incredible and that that's another person was really fun in comedy to be around.

World War I was Junior. Love talking to Roy. Of course. Love being around Roy. It's just, it's a breath of fresh air because we're not in competition with each other. I'm not in competition with nobody, but he understands.

Ali ain't compete with me. Ali just. It's about material. I mean, it's like, it's been golf. It's like you're playing the course. You're not playing each other. You might both have a, you know, four under or whatever, but like if ever I find my,

jealous. I'm like, I just want more jokes. That's all I want. If I'm mad, it's like, you know what would solve this? New Joe. New joke. New joke. New joke give me out of this. Yeah. Literally any problem I have.

New joke. Broken arm. New story. Yeah. Yeah. Here you go. All right. We're going to go. It was great talking. Pleasure. Good show.