Blocks w/ Neal Brennan - Sarah Sherman

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

Neal Brennan interviews Sarah Sherman (SNL, Live & In The Flesh), AKA Sarah Squirm, about her fashion style, always wanting to be a comedian, going to Northwestern, her emo phase, anxiety, paranoia, delusion, SNL nightmares, why she thinks she's "kind of bad at standup," live sketches vs. Weekend Update, therapy, being gross and crazy, the internet, Adam Sandler and more. 00:00 ‘Live & In The Flesh’ HBO Special 4:23 Origin Story 8:41 Her fashion style  11:44 Wanting to be a comedian  16:03 Going to Northwestern 17:13 Sponsor: Huel 19:35 Sponsor: Harrys 22:14 Anxiety & Emo Phase 26:00 SNL Nightmares 28:01 Delusion & Paranoia about her style of comedy 32:00 Family & Anxiety 33:07 Sponsor: Squarespace 36:02 “Kind of bad at standup” 42:07 SNL - Live Sketches vs. Update 47:55 Therapy 55:03 Sponsor: Mando 56:59 Sponsor: Cheers Health 59:23 Crazy 1:05:30 Self-care 1:10:30 Adam Sandler 1:11:56 The Internet 1:16:20 Her relationship 1:18:40 Gross Thanks to our sponsors! Limited Time Offer – Get Huel today with my exclusive offer of 15% OFF online with my code NEAL at huel.com/NEAL . New Customers Only. Thank you to Huel for partnering and supporting the show! My listeners get the Harry's Plus Trial Set for only $10 at https://www.Harrys.com/NEAL #harryspod Check out https://www.squarespace.com/NEAL to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code NEAL. Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with Mando and get 20% off with promo code NEAL at https://www.shopmando.com #mandopod Same night out — way better morning with Cheers. For a limited time my listeners are getting 20% off their entire order by using code NEAL at https://www.cheershealth.com/NEAL #Cheers #ad ---------------------------------------------------------- Follow Neal Brennan: https://www.instagram.com/nealbrennan https://twitter.com/nealbrennan https://www.tiktok.com/@mrnealbrennan Watch Neal Brennan: Crazy Good on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81728557 Watch Neal Brennan: Blocks on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81036234 Theme music by Electric Guest (unreleased). Edited by Will Hagle Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

My guest today is I'm a big fan of. I fell in love with her on Instagram. Hey, buddy, my eyes are down here. Before, and then she got Sari Live. Very excited. Here we go. She does great on Sarii Live. Mostly update, right?

Yes. But that's good. Some people don't do well anywhere. I need somewhere to go. Look, we all need, you need to be, you need Jost to fuck with. Yeah. Anything right now. Sarah, you're buttoned up to your neck.

You don't know where my nipples are. Well, okay, I feel like I know where most people's nipples are. Huh, do you? And she's got an HBO special that's great. And I watched it twice because I got scared, because I thought I hadn't watched it. I hadn't watched it, but whatever. And her name's Sarah Sherman, and she's, aka Sarah Scorm.

And the HBO special is called Live and In the Flesh. in the flesh. It's great. You were the first person to reach out to me and say you liked it, by the way. See, I'm a nice, and I always think I'm going to stop. But any, whenever I'm like, whenever someone makes a good thing, I'm like, this is great. Like, it means so much. It means so much.

It means so much more than you could ever imagine. I've heard, like, people are like, oh, you probably get this all the time. And I'm like, no, I don't. I don't get it ever. I would love anything. The best, again, I'm named dropy, as always. Jerry Seinfel released a special. Uh-huh.

I emailed him, and he called me within 40 seconds. Awesome. Of the email hitting his inbox to, like, talk about it. It never stops meaning a lot to people. It means a lot. Now, you did take some shots at Jerry Seinfeld. You did, you, you, she uses a lot of them. the Seinfeld theme.

Yeah. Thank you guys so much for coming. Did you pay for it? Yep. Expensive? We got a deal on it, which is funny to, yeah. We got, fucking so Jewish.

We got a deal on the Seinfeld theme. Uh-huh. Because I guess it was so expensive that no one's like ever used it. Yeah. So they were selling it for cheap. I got, I got the producer in there to haggle it down. And I kept being like,

Because I was really, I really wanted all the money to go on that set design. Yeah. And all the producers working on my special were like, you can't cut. I was like, we'll just cut the Seinfeld thing. It's too expensive. And they're like, we'll figure something out to get the Seinfeld theme. How much was the set? I'll cut it if it's too crazy.

It's wild. It's like intestines, basically. Yeah, but it's made out of garbage bags. Oh. Yeah. Talk about art. It's a very scrappy set. The production designers,

behind like oh mary and they are doing rocky horror picture show now so they're theater so they know how to be fucking scrappy yep and they were amazing and the they would they're so fucking funny they were like okay they would build um i have a stroke um i'm not good of podcast i can't fucking talk stop but they were like what if you entered the stage by crawling out of a butthole. Right. You know, it's a very... It's funny.

That's not your idea. Yeah. It seems like that had to come from you. No, exactly. And the only reason we didn't do that, I was supposed, I was like, you're a genius. Okay, we'll crawl through a sphincter. That'll be my opening. Yeah.

I'll crawl to the, but the only reason we didn't end up doing that was because it was going to be a little more expensive and we wanted to be able to pay for the Seinfeld theme song. And we realized because we were taping two shows in one night that we would have to get a bunch of pickups of me like crawling out and falling out of the butthole. Yeah. And it would have buck your hair up. I would have fucked my hair up.

Yep. Which I was willing, because I grabbed my hair weirdly a lot. And I'm always like grabbing my hair and scratching my head. All right. Well, I want to talk about you and your, what's your origin story? Because what, because there are some people that when you see them, you go, yep, that's what they're supposed to look like. This is the look. Yeah.

This is the look. It was the look for our, for our own SNL. And when I looked up, it was like, you went to Northwestern, you probably were a good student. When did it happen? When did you, like, wait a minute, John Waters. Eat shit. Felter my politics. Felth is my life.

Wait a minute. David Lynch. Al Yankovic. What? My God. I, I've been like this since I'm a kid. So like Some of the same items

I would think Yes ma'am Someone would say A comedian who's name I won't name But we'd probably both know them Was like you're gonna hit 30 And this whole thing's not gonna age well

Well guess what I'm 30 fucking three bro Fucking And you were right Ha ha ha ha ha ha Who like that cat dragon Or whatever I looked you up to

I was like What'd you look like At Northwestern This It's this Maybe it's slightly different, like less. Yeah, maybe less. Yeah, like less

eye shadow and gloss, but like same basic idea. Same basic idea. When did it hit you? Well, I always wanted to be a comedian. I grew up watching Seinfeld constantly. I grew up watching a lot of the nanny and golden girls, which I think is why I look like this. Yep. You know whose mom created the golden girls?

Sam Harris, the intellectual meditation guy. So my mom is Susan Harris, and she created, a bunch of shows, but the one that was most seen and impactful was with Golden Girls. For some reason, I was like Sam Harris, Columbine guy. No. Close, though, no. Really close, though, no?

Really close. So you watch a lot of Golden Girls. I just, like, always wanted to be a comedian. And so then, like, I did my first open mic when I was, like, 17 at the hop. On Long Island. Hogpit, NYC. I took the L-I-R with my friend Ethan Murmellstein to, because it was like, At the hog pit, you didn't have to be 21 to get in because it was a barbecue restaurant.

Oh, in the West Village? Yeah. Yes. Do you remember it? Yeah, sure. And I wore a bow tie. I did. Sure not.

Of course I did. Sparkly or just regular? Regular, but I remember, I remember exactly what I was wearing. I was wearing a bow tie, a little skirt, okay? Someone hearing a 16-year-old wearing a little skirt's getting hard right now. And then I was wearing, what do you call those shoes, like Oxford? shoes like like uh like preppy shoes like um black and white like Elvis shoes like uh spats or something like plat like loafers like like like tight lace up like spats is aren't okay

yeah spats are the thing i think you put on top oh they're like white and black where they look like a black toe and like a yeah yeah shoes like that i remember exactly what i was wearing i have a question why do women always remember what they were wearing because it's almost like, you know when someone says, like, a traumatic moment happens? And so you can remember what it's smell like and what everything looked like. Yeah. And for girls, it's close. But why?

But it's so many moments. That's so interesting. I don't know. I mean, clothes are life. It's like the same thing. That's like how I build memory. I don't know what the analogy is where like guys always remember. I don't remember.

Guys always remember when this game was on. I always remember that because the game was on. But I remember, like, not that it was a traumatic memory, but the host made fun of me. I don't remember what he said. So, of course, I have, like, a memory of, like, I see the Hogpit, NYC neon sign without a pig on it. I see my outfit. I know where I was sitting in the room. I fucking wish I could find out who that host was.

God damn it. What did that sound like said? Something about, like, me wearing a bow tie. I can't remember, but I was like, and I, my jokes obviously weren't good. Do you think, of course, were or we're not? Still, to this day. They were. They were?

Good or we're not good. We're not good. I have a bone to pick about that as well. Okay. So do you think your style is good? Your physical, your fashion brand is good? Or is it just what it has to be? It's right for you.

It's right for me. And then, of course, like every fashion week will roll around every year. And I'm like, I can invite it to anything. Because I'm like, well, what's interesting, interesting is like I didn't realize until I was on too good that you know people have stylists so you it's very rare that you see a public person's like actual personal style a lot of times. Do you think it makes you a sexualize you? Do you think it, do you think it de-sexualizes you? Because that's what it's like because like that's where I go like well why would they want one girl not you? I'm telling a lot of guys are. to the way I look. I believe, like, are they?

Trust. The freaks come out. Should I trust and believe? You trust and believe. The freaks come out. But it is funny. Like now, it's been an interesting experience with S&L. It's like I put a wig on a normal clothes and people are like,

holy cow, you're a looker. Everybody's complaining about eggs being expensive. It's like, so what? Adap. I've been eating my own eggs for months. and I'll have you know they make a very runny omel. Oh my God.

And I'm like, do I look that terrible? No, I know. It doesn't take like an incredible, like a sci-fi imagination. What would she look like with shoulder-length hair? It is, well, the mullets down to my shoulder. I mean, please. But not all the shoulder. Well, the rat tail is all right, right, right.

The rat tails down the back. But it is just like, it is funny how little imaginator, or, I don't know if it's like how little imagination people have or how like limited their palate is. Yeah. That it's like I only look good if I have blonde hair and a t-shirt. Like, hello? What have you seen in your life? Yeah.

Yeah, because that's what I'm saying. Like you are good looking. But it almost seems like you're like, yeah. But I don't, I'm not really. It's like I'm not competing in that. I have my own thing that I'm doing. I've legit always looked like this. Like I've had the same hair basically

Since I'm like a nice Do you cut it yourself? No, but it does look like I get it cut in a dumpster, don't I? Hey. Actually, shout out to Gina who does all the crackhead wigs on S&L. She does my hair if you could have believed. Great. Jody, the lead wig and hair designer on S&L

was when I rolled through. She was like, I know exactly who should be cutting your hair. It's the same girl who does like, wigs for female bald freaks and all the sketches or like if there's like a mullet or like a mohawk that's what she's she's assigned to that wig done all right so you you get all right so you it just occurred like this is just your shit like like certain people like you're 10 11 and you just are watching certain movies and certain and you're like this is it and do you fight it or you just like, no, this is

unassailable. I don't know if you agree or can relate to this, but being a comic, you know, you meet all types of people who fell into comedy in different ways. And I always find it so interesting when I meet people who didn't

want to be comedic. Oh, I fell into this and I was like 30 and I'm like, I can't even, like I've never, and it's been a prison because if it didn't work out for me. I mean, it's every day, by the way, it could not be working out for me very soon. But if it didn't work out in this way, I don't know what I would have been doing. And it's not that I hate what people say like, oh, I have to do comedy because it's all I can do. It's like,

please. But it's like all I've ever, ever wanted to ever do in my whole life. I've never had a different want, desire, dream, nothing. So it's interesting when people are like, oh, yeah. So you didn't, so you, like, but Friends was on. I didn't really watch Friends. You just didn't care about, like, means. You know, I didn't see Friends until recently, and I watched one episode, and I immediately started sobbing. Why? Because, I, like, knew about Friends.

Because of Matthew Perry. Oh, my God. It was before that. But now I can't watch it. I think I was like, I knew about the, like, I knew all the lore, and I knew, like, Ross, Rachel. Yeah. Like, the, and Jamler. We were on a break.

And so I knew all about it. And then when I was watching it, I was like, oh my God, they really do love each other. I don't know what it was. They're very sensitive. Did you, all right. So you saw Golden Girls, you saw whatever you were watching, designing women? Did that hit you? No, but I would.

I loved soap operas. Soap, okay. Do you think I should try to be like down the middle, attractive, funny, like, who were the famous comedians when you were was this 2000 stand-ups that I like because I grew up on Long Island yeah and I remember the Sunday Times

newspaper on my like my dad was reading it at breakfast and there was an article um about the creek in the cave and it was like Louie CK drops in at Creek in the Cave this new hip spot for

and so I was like what? Louis going to this little play whatever so like I went there to like see comedy like I was just I was just addicted to comedy and like 2006 I mean I'm what 21 now I wonder when that article I just have such a clear memory of this like that's how I found out I mean it's like thank God I grew up on Long Island because I could just go do that or like I remember I found Todd Barry from like YouTube and I was addicted to Todd Barry and like oh my

God he's the funniest guy ever totally he's so and like you know I was addicted to Joan Rivers but I found out about I mean probably the way I look is because of Joan Rivers but yeah even though she was very like convention you look Phyllis Diller

I mean well I didn't find out about Phyllis Diller until like actually my 20s which is weird because now she's obviously the blueprint and like Judy Tanuda or something like that. Like, I love Phyllis Diller. She's my favorite.

And that's like another thing. Like I found myself, you know, because you do a lot of like podcasts and stuff to talk about the special. And people are like, oh, like body horror humor. Like where did you get? And it's like, fucking Phyllis Diller was doing that way before me. Yeah. Talking about like, my tits are on the floor. Yep.

You know, whatever. What's her husband's name in all we're doing? For, Fred. Fang. That's my husband. He went to the dentist the other day. The dentist told him he's got the worst set of tooth he ever saw in his life. Okay.

So you are like, I'm going to be a comedian, but you're also smart. Mm-hmm. So you go to Northwestern? I asked the guidance counselor at my high school, because I was like, we had to everyone, we all had to do meetings with the guidance counselor about where we wanted, to find out where we wanted to go to college. So I had my scheduled guidance counselor time. And he was like, I was, he was like, what do you want to do?

I was like, I want to be a comedian. He was like, go to school in Chicago. So then I just applied to every school in Chicago. And that was it? He changed my life. He was like, if you want to be a comedian, go to Chicago, where all the comedians go, I got, okay. He could have said NYU, though.

But he was like cool. He like knew that like all the, you know what I mean? And then when I went to Northwestern, I was in for a rude awakening because it was nowhere near Chicago. Yeah. So I had to take the purple line all the way in. And that's what, 25 minutes? Yeah, it was kind of far.

It's a nightmare. I was, but I thank God, because then I stayed in Chicago for kind of a while. I was there. I graduated school in 2015, and then I stayed there to, I moved to L.A. in 2019. Guys, I've been in this, the shakeable, drinkable meal to go liquid game for a while. Ask your mother. And it's, I've been out here is what I'm saying. So Huell, I used to go with another one.

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Heavy's handle ever. Okay. So are you like, how are you doing in life? You're from like a two-parent home? Yeah. Two-parent home. Really supportive. Very supportive. Yeah. But you have anxiety. Yes. Duke's from the jump? I think the older I get, the worse it gets.

Like I was like kind of a serious child. I always had really bad nightmares. And I was always like, I think now I'm like a really colorful, crazy adult because it's almost like making up for the fact that I was so serious in my childhood. Like I was very kind of like, I'm just going to sound. I was like kind of emo. I was like addicted to like, I was a big reader as a kid. So I was like I read The Shining when I was like too young. And I read like I was addicted to like Sherlock Holmes books and like Edgar Allan Poe poems.

And I would memorize them. Like I was like really. What were you think you were doing? Like this guy gets it? Emo, I guess. But was it like. I'm going to be emo and something's going to happen or I like the way this makes me feel in the moment.

I think like what I was accessing at that time of my life was then later satisfied when like, you know, someone, my senior year of high school was like, you would like David Lynch. And I'm like, what's that? You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, you know, the uncanny and the bizarre

and the eerie was intriguing to me. As someone who's, it's not, I don't think David, I don't like David. Like, I'm like, tell, what's how? I don't just need random imagery. What are we getting at? It's like, the unconscious. We're getting at the unconscious, which is the collective space where we all live. And we can access through meditation and dreams.

You want to be. No, no, but I, I guess it's like, it's, it's too kind of wacky for, like, the unconscious to me is like, is more ethereal and less like spooky like but do you um pay attention to your dreams

I well funnily enough I have pretty much the same dream every night for the last 20 25 years which is I work at Tyrant Live and Lauren Michaels is mad at me and I wish ever kidding I have it I've had it before I'm like I've never

Or like, it's, I don't know why. I can't get rid of it. Right. I know more in a little bit. He's nice. He's not mad at me. Right. It's just a like work stress dream, obviously, at a place I never worked, but barely

worked later. But so. This is interesting because I think this is not. Yours is, you work at Chappelle show and say you've mad at you? Yeah. Yeah. I work at Chappelle show. I came up with.

black clan member. Yep, thank you. And everyone's like, you're a genius. It's actually not a nightmare. It's an amazing thing. I think that a lot of people have, obviously I have the SNL nightmare, but mine are more

specific. But actually my recurring SNL nightmare is that we are blocking a sketch on the floor. There is a prop toilet. And I knowing it's a prop toilet, shit in it. I pull my pants down I shit and everyone's looking at me like

what are you doing that's not connected to anything and everybody's looking down at me and I'm looking up at them and I'm like I don't know why I did that I don't know and I haven't run out or the scene just ends dream wise where it's like it's just over you're just like well then I'm like

the dream is like me like stewing in humiliation yeah and like sitting there like ruminating and going crazy and being like why did I do this I knew it wasn't connected to any pipes why did I do it? All my dreams are like that

but I think many people have SNL is such a big deal to so many people because it does live in the collective unconscious it is it haunts everyone I mean it's a cultural institution and there's like so much baggage there

and so it's interesting now as someone who's been on the show for five years it's like I become like a weird cipher or something for people's dream because everyone has such a crazy relation to it, especially comedians. Yeah. You're like dealing with like you're.

It's approval, rejection, authority, institution. Yeah. What do you, I think, having said that, I think dream analysis is stupid. But because it's so obvious to me, it's like literally like work stress. I want to succeed in comedy and I'm stressed out. Well, my analyst said. Three days a week. Yeah.

I'm paying good money for it, girl. He thinks that that Shitting Dream is like about like the excrement is like anxiety about like putting yourself out there. Like you're like you're like every week I'm like showing people my stuff.

That's why I hate dream analysis because I could just make another read of it that's just as valid. And everything in therapy is just maybe maybe. Maybe. Maybe you know Freud had a theory. It's a it's all a theory. But, okay, so what do you, did you ever feel like isolated? Do you feel like by your taste, by your style?

Do you feel like, uh, won't, won't, won'tly? Do you feel lonely? It's a cute pronunciation of lowly. I, um, I, um, I just like, I don't want to say this. I'm a Jewish woman. Mm-hmm. Okay. I have constant like deprivational anxiety.

Like everything's going to go away in a moment in a moment and like paranoia. And like I think women can probably relate to this. I'm always paranoid that I'm like delusional. Like one day someone's just going to like walk in and be like, you suck. You've always sucked. Everyone knows it. And you're an idiot. You know, whatever.

And it's like you got everything you have by mistake. It was an accident. You know something like that? So having said that... But what about the successes you've had? Well, having said that, it is kind of like my odd style of comedy. I'm so dehydrated, my piss comes out thick and brown. Like I'm squeezing an old bottle of mustard into the bowl. Like...

Sometimes I find myself on the other end. myself on the other end of it. I wouldn't change anything about myself. I wouldn't have it any other way. But it's an odd mix with my like paranoia and anxiety. Because I'm like, this is not for everyone. And it isn't for everyone. And does that mean I won't be able to do this for the rest of my life? And people really hate it, which I kind of revel in, like doing a show at like stand up live Phoenix. I walk in that room, girl. I'm 75% of that room is walking out by the end of the show. So like That's I would I stand up live is it's a hard room for me

Like I'm like down pretty down the middle and it's like Woo there's a lot of this is way bigger than I thought it was going to be Why are there 400 people in a mall And why are they all leaving in droves? Yeah I showed one picture of a Prolapse Anus that I made myself by the way That was what did it

It was like because in the special when it starts getting the video Yeah That's when people usually like book it. Respect. But like, so it's this weird, like, I simultaneously, like, I kind of get off on freaking people out, obviously. But there's, like, the paranoid, like, self-loving thing kicks in, and it's like, it's a weird push and pull kind of. What is that thing? Because I have it a little bit, but, like,

the sort of you like pushing people into like look at it what is it is it just like what's your therapist say that is it do you know what I mean like I get it because I have a little bit of a bit like I'll do it it and then if it doesn't work I'll be right well it's the same thing of like you know comedians or like you know clowns yeah you know whatever pushing you know like using humor as like a defense mechanism I would say the biggest self-defense mechanism is like literally using like shock and awe and like horror to push people away. But like being a comedian, you want, you need laughter. You're like a bottomless hole. You need the laughter.

You need the love. You want to pull people in with like humor. But at the same time, you're like obviously like pushing people away with like, you know, 85 layers of like irony and like clownery and buffoonery. So where you? But where's your home from? Because your parents approve. I literally, it's so weird. I just think I'm a crazy Jewish person.

You think it's crazy Jewish. Yes. Fine. I'm way ahead of you. Hey, sure. Look, we're all on your side. It is just, I don't, just, I was just, I having crazy anxiety. I don't know why.

It's always been there. I want to let go of it. Do your parents have it? Yes, I don't think they know it really. What do they think it is? My dad, I have a kind of like really old school New York dad. He's really funny. And I was dealing with like some anxiety stuff when I was like a teenager and he's like a tough guy.

And he's like, bro, like fucking, if you need to fucking talk about something because you're all like twisted up in there. Like I fucking get like I know what it's like to be twisted up in there. Like you just sometimes need people to untwist it. And I was like, that was just the perfect way to. put it because I thought he would be very like anti-therapy because he's like a tough guy but he put it, he just put it really

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You know what I mean? Like, it's just because it's not like the normal way to do it. It doesn't mean, but I understand like, I wish there are times where I'm like, man, I wish I had a different act. Yes. I wish I didn't have my point of view. My vocal cords, which you were nice enough to show close up your vocal cords. Those are my tiny little vocal cords. My vocal cords.

Yes. My brain, my. But it's doing, you're doing well. And it's also like you I just wish I could write better jokes. But what, Ian, do you,

would you want to write the same kind of jokes? I, that's special. That's all I have. You know what I'm saying? I cut out, I cut out 20 minutes, so there's 20 minutes

on the chopping block. It's basically all have. And so I'm starting from ground zero. And I'm going like, what the fuck? Yeah. And there's this thing like, you know, clip culture

and like the speed of the internet, you know, stand-ups are putting out specials like once a year and I'm like I am not met for this life. Yeah. I was born in the wrong fucking time and I like remember, you know, all these like norm interviews he talks about like people are like, why don't you put out a special and he's like, fuck, because what am I going to fucking do with the nightclub? Yeah. And I like, I just, I never related to anything more. I'm not fast.

Like do you know, Jeff Asmus? He's the funniest guy ever. He can write new 10 minutes a day. Yeah. I cannot do that. I'm never not going to be who I am. I just wish I was a little better at writing jokes. Like I wish it came out easier.

I wish it wasn't such a fucking whole thing. I've been doing stand-up for like 10 fucking years and I have like barely an hour. Yeah. I mean, that's just what happens. I'm on my sixth hour. That's crazy. I know. And it's like, it's very slow.

And I'm like, I'm on shows with people that are on their first hour, their second hour. And I can, I'm imagining them being like, this fucking can't. I'm like, guys, I don't know what to tell you. Like, it's by the time I get there, it'll be great. But it's going to be sad before I get there. I don't know. It's like, it's just going to be sad. And we all have to just accept it.

And by we all, I mean, I have to accept it. You have to accept it. It's going to be sad. I think about Rodney all the time too where it's like how many fucking jokes. Oh. How many jokes? Yeah. Over his, in his lifetime, one million?

Well, you've heard stories about Rodney where he'd call people, he'd call Sagitt or he'd call normally like, hey, Bob, is this funny? And it's like one in the morning. And he's just like running jokes all the time because his jokes are 18 seconds long. And he needs. A hundred. Yeah, you need so many of them to do an hour. And then the ones that don't work and nightmare. But that's the, to quote Jerry Seinfeld, nobody ever had too much material.

Nobody ever, it's just never had, nobody's ever had too much. It's impossible. So that's like the awfulness of it. But the good news is in terms of clips or in terms of like generating new material, you are on a show where you have people that can help. I think that's what's, yes. And I think that's what's interesting also. Like, I have a lot of my coworkers. I find myself, I'm like fucking writing a lot at S&L.

He all gets cut. Nobody sees it. So it's like, yeah, I guess I don't have that much, like, material. In my head, I don't have as much material as I'd like. But I guess it's like, I have so much material that's in a fucking incinerator. I have so many sketches that never will see the light of day. And it's like, my co-workers, like, Cam, Marcello, Tommy Brennan, they all, like, do go to the comedy cellar at, like, midnight after a long day of work to, like, just get jokes off.

Yeah. And I just wish I had the wherewithal. Are you just tired? Yeah. I'm exhausted, but I'm like, damn, they're fucking hustling. But that's like, yeah, that's healthy because it's like, after a long day of getting all your shit cut, it probably feels like good to have something not. Yeah, like, I'm, it's a good reminder of that, like, oh, I'm funny. Yeah.

I used to do that all. Like when I was before, yeah, where I, I'd pitch stuff and people would be like, no, I'll get that before Shepal's, whatever. I don't know when I would do it, but I'd go and be like, no, I think I can do it. Yes. Okay, so just don't, the thing you're doing, you have an audience. Right. So, like, you just need to do what you're doing.

Yeah. And take as long as it takes because, like, that. I feel pressure, though, because so many people are. making so much stuff so fast i'm just slower i tell me about it i mean i what are you gonna do like if josh johnson does an hour every two weeks it's just like i okay i can't do that i i what do i i know when we're quit like i don't and you saw you you you saw the special like you know it's like the first 45 minutes or jokes but then that last chunk is like all these videos like i made my you know Yeah.

What bathing suit could contain all this? Wait, look at the screen. Look at the screen, sir. And they're so, it's so dense. Yeah. And it's so fast. Like, I'm not like, there's videos in that thing that I made like five years ago. I made like a little hang nail with wax by hand or whatever.

And that probably took like a good full day. And I blow by it in like 10 seconds. So it's like, it's just, I just have a. Slower. Time means something very different to me. Yeah, you just have to hope that people... Stick around on your next special. Somebody said like your was like, just hope that you're Chade. Like, Shade. It's like, Shadee release records every like seven years.

Right. But they were just like, ah, I love Chaudet. Right. I mean, Destinac was just like five years. Yeah. Guys, wait for me. Norm. Norm was, that took his time. And then he died.

Um, okay. What do you think? How do you, do you think your, I think you're very successful at Sondy Life? Do you think that you're, do you want to be more successful? Do you feel like your style doesn't fit? I haven't figured out really how to do, um, I mean, this sounds like it's the whole show, but like I want to be better at doing fucking live sketches. Different than update.

Yeah. Like update is really, it's fun. Hi, Colin. Good evening, Colin. You're fun. By the way, like, I saw you saying that people get mad at you for breaking, but, like, you're, the way you, the updates I've seen, you're really fun because you're, like, out of control and in control.

You're, like, wild, but, like, don't cut them when you're like, don't cut to Joe's, it's fucking hilarious. And, like, I'm, I'm sure they were like, yeah, that's funny. You know what I mean? The, the, especially with the updates. like those come together so last minute it's like a weird the show has so many different pieces where it's like the pre-taped sketch is like they're like a whole different producing unit we can update it it's it's an own little show like inside the show um and the way those bits come together is like kind of more last minute in the sense that you're not like blocking it until the day

of the show. Yeah. And so they're looser and wilder because they don't come together until last minute. And then, so it's like, you know, Colin hasn't seen me in a monkey suit until like a couple hours before the show. You like my. So he's, it's loose. Yeah.

It's just a little looser. And so it's fun. It's like more playful in that way. So I think that's why I'm like kind of laughing. Because it's like I'm not in the suit until. basically it's on TV. It's not all together until it's on TV. So you feel like if you're doing sketches and you're doing

blocking on Thursday and Friday, it feels stale by the time you do it? Or not stale, but like not as wild. It's less loose. It's less crazy. Well, yeah, it's also blocking you have to be there you are and yeah. There's like, there's like, you know, five cameras. There's like, you know, it's a more

dynamic coverage and there's like other people in it and, you know, there's like a thing. And like, update is just way looser. The thing is just like you're a weird character. Yeah. And you're like interacting with not another character,

interacting with your friend Colin. Yeah. So it's just like and because there's less, like I could do anything. I could like lunge across the desk. I can do whatever. The camera will pick it up. I don't have to like worry about,

you know, not getting this person's line or whatever. But that's what. So sketches are so much harder and there has to be more there there. Like I can have like a fraction of an. idea and be like that'll be an update yeah like it's like barely holding on to anything it's just like a vibe or a voice or a costume but a sketch has to be like a million different things at once and I think people don't realize how hard writing a good sketch is because I think with um social media it's just like a fucking garbage dump of just like a little video yeah it doesn't have to have a beginning a middle or end social media needs one premise yeah where is this sketch needs like three yes and a structure as we were talking about with like s and l being in the collective unconscious i think you know it's obviously it's like a thing people say like

it's it's no sucks and i'm literally like you try to write a fucking sketch that's funny yeah it's very hard yeah so like i don't know yeah i was whenever anybody says anything bad about us and i'm like or they're going to submit or whatever i'm like think of people there are people that don't care about anything but sketch comedy. And you have to try to make something that would impress them. Go on. Go ahead. That's all they do is they think about sketches.

Good. Will they say, okay. They know more about sketch. Like, it's whatever. Lauren, Brian, like people that have Joe's have been there a long time. It's like they know more about sketches. Lauren's read, you know, 120,000 sketches at this point. It's really crazy.

And I still haven't figured out how to do it. I don't know. I don't know how to make a good sketch. Have you not made a good sketch? I have, but it's like for me it's few and far between. I get like, I can't, it's hard. I haven't gotten a live, a sketch on the live show in a long time. Are people talking?

Yeah, they're going. Are people like, what's going on when there? I think, well, it's like, I'll be like so heartbroken about something getting cut. And then people are like, you've had like five updates on the show. Like, what's doing? And I'm like, but, you know, when you get like, like, Like, you're like, well, now it's like this thing that I have to. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like a, you have a chip in here. You have a, you're paranoid. And it's like a white male or something. Paranoid Jew. And it's like, but it's like, I want to make like a good fucking live sketch. How's the anxiety?

What are you doing about the anxiety? You taking pills? No? I go to therapy a lot. I don't know. People say it doesn't seem to work. Does it seem to work for you? I think so.

I've been, I've had a journey with therapy. I've been in a lot of kinds of therapy. Oh, talk to me. I, you know, I started with like cognitive behavioral. Yeah. Which I really didn't like. How come? I mean, some of the stuff is, like, you learn the hacks.

Like, oh, if you're having a panic attack, dunk your face in ice cold water. Or, like, you know, fucking whatever this shit. I don't like necessarily, like, compassionate therapy. Like, your feelings are valid. Like, I even say this line in this. Like my feelings aren't valid. I'm crazy and at the end of every session he's like your feelings are valid I'm like no they're not I'm fucking crazy Do you think that there is too much of a push for validating everybody's feelings? Yes, I do too

We'll be uh just I think yes yes yeah, yeah You're but I like that my therapist tells me I'm like wrong and crazy. Yeah, what type of therapy is that? Um, I'm in analysis. well well well well yeah and I used to be in like hardcore dream youngie and dream analysis so like and that was like did you read young's book well the red book no when he went sketchbreadd nobody's like his dream he had like a biography that's like pretty awesome yeah I like I mean I like young I like like James Helman I like the dream stuff young was like a warlock like he like as a kid he like had vision like he yes

kind of out of it. He was great. But his whole thing is kind of like the visions and the imagination and the dream stuff. It's like that gets beaten out of us. Yeah. Through school, society, whatever, whatever, whatever. Um, so I'm into that. That, but I was in hardcore dream analysis and, um, that wasn't doing me any favors. So now I'm a combination like Yungi and Likani and kind of thing. How do you find them? Crazy, fellow crazy people. Do you just, is it like, fuck it, I'll try it? Well, I was complaining.

I'm kind of like that with supplements where I'll just go on ready. Are you like, oh. And I'll just go like, oh, take that. Right. Somebody was like, hey, are you into peptides yet? I was like, not yet. But like, I can tell you that way, I can tell you the wind, the way, that's where we're headed. Wait, do you do like meditation or anything like that?

I, yes, I do meditation every day. Uh, I do. I'm not currently in therapy, but like, I've done. everything. Did you do TM? Yeah. I got the I got the, I paid $1,100 for a, for a fake word. And I liked it. I stopped doing it

literally for the reason that I need it, which is I like, the second I start meditating. I do Joe dispens it right now. So, what is that? Just some goofy, some goofy chiropractor. Oh, no. Yeah, it's pretty goofy. Oh, no. I went to one. It's meditation. But it's like,

It's the fun. It's very fun. What is it? It's just my, it's just positive visualization. Oh. Okay. Yeah. But, but, but so, so you, how do you, do you get, try one become like, this isn't working, then move? I'm very sensitive.

So I was like, anytime it, it gets real. Like, I had a therapist that I was like, it was, I forgot what his style. It's not confrontational. It's not instigational. It's called like, what's a synonym? for confrontational or instigational. Antagonistic. It's antagonistic.

An antagonistic approach. I would love that. You got to give me his number. I, you would have a few days. He would like fuck with you to be like. Are you supposed to blurt stuff out? Kind of. And like he backs you into a corner.

So you're like having to like, fucking like defend your fight for your life basically. And it was I'm too sensitive for that. So then I was complaining about this therapist. Can you give me a snapshot of an inner exchange between you to? I'm like, what do I want to say out loud? I love this. God damn.

Well, I don't want to say that one. Okay. Okay, this one was a mild one. Okay. I would be, I was doing phone therapy in a car. I was visiting my friend's family's beach house and Martha's vineyard. And I'm like, I'm on vacation. And he's like, how long are you on vacation for?

I said two days. He goes, that's not a fucking vacation. a vacate you know whatever so it's like you know and then you have to be like and then he's like why don't you on fucking vacation and I'm like be I don't want to take time and what's so busy about your schedule you know and you just like so what is it supposed to do you're supposed to break you're supposed to set boundaries well that's a thing I didn't like it so I stopped going it doesn't sound like good therapy but it's like aggressive and it's like I don't I actually think therapists should

clap back as they as they i mean i think most of them should be in jail well that's a whole other issue it's like it's literally malpractice what is going on with some people i know the the amount of misinformation they're fed i'm like your therapist said you should do fucking yeah yeah they should be in jail yeah well they're not supposed to say that you should do anything right but if they're intelligent they should right most but the problem is again it's it's the the issue of like every feeling is valid. And I also think there's a big thing in the last 10 years of like feelings

now are like messages from God. And they can be. And you can have feelings that are real. But like why isn't it like cognitive behavioral therapy was like I think it's okay to have a bad feeling and just notice that it's bad. And then reflect on why you are having that reaction. Right. And do nothing about it?

you could do something about it, but I felt myself like incognitive behavioral therapy being like this person makes me feel like this. And it's like, well, that's not okay. And like, you know, maybe you should be cutting that person out of your life. And I'm like, well, shouldn't we think about maybe I'm fucking bringing something on the fucking table? That's crazy. You know, like, you'd push for that. You'd be like, or it's, or could it be me?

Yeah. And would, would you be right? I don't know. Well, was it helpful? I didn't find it to be helpful. You did. I didn't. You didn't find saying maybe it's you to be helpful.

There was like a lot of like self-soothing and self-care stuff, which I is as someone who's never taking a vacation. I do think there's obviously validity in that. But there was so much self-care and self-soothing and not a lot of like, well, should we talk about how you're a crazy fucking bitch? Right. You know. Guys, the time for.

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How are you a crazy fucking bitch? I'm just like crazy. Oh my God, I'm sorry, I just blacked out. That was crazy. I'm just crazy. Like, irrational? Yes. Like.

Change opinions, change points of view. Like, like, like, I'm just fucking crazy. Like, I feel so bad about myself all the time. And you're like, and you're sitting here being like, you're great. And you're like, he doesn't have anybody's talking about. Or, like, my friend Sully, Sully David's shout out in Chicago. He would put, he would, we would do shows together in Chicago. And he would, like, book the, he would book the hideout.

and I'm so crazy that I like I always have the same thing of before a show like nobody's gonna come nobody's coming to the show I actually have had to take a break from touring because I literally can't handle that feeling right now I'm like too broken down too tired I can't deal with the like what if nobody buys tickets what if I'm just fucking standing there I'm looking out

40 fucking people and I'm like I can't I in my head canceled my next tour today yeah in my head I was like Like, well, put them on town. I don't know. I'm like, I did the Wilbur in Boston a little too early. Uh-huh. Couldn't fill out the fucking whatever. That's the, that is, I can't, I can't handle that. You can't do that again?

And then it's like all these people at the show being like, echo, echo, echo, you know what I mean? By the way, they can't see who's not there. The three people on the mezzanine could see they were the old. The three, okay, those three. I know that's true. But I'm like, they could hear that it was echoy in there. Hello. It's how you, that's how you mix it.

I just can't handle it right now. I can't handle it right now, so I'm taking a little break. Great. Do you worry about that infecting your ability to make a living? Well, I have a job. Right. Right. But I'm saying.

Yes. Yes. Like, hey. Yes. Because that's what it comes down to. Right. Like, I can't do that. It's like, okay, well, there are people that can.

I know. Well, that's why. Will you get. Have you seen yourself snap out of it in life? Have you had moments where I'm like, where you're like, I can't do it? And then you're like, okay, well, somebody else is going to do it. You're like, now fuck it I can. I think like, well, SNL forces you to do it every week.

Yeah. I'm not like a total wuss, but I am like, this is what I was saying about like self-care. I am trying to punish myself less. So if I right now genuinely believe that touring will be bad for my mental health, like anxiety-wise, I can take a break until I mean I have a couple shows booked but I'm like slowly I'm slowly reintroducing myself to touring because it's a lot it's a lot like I know S&L is famously a very anxiety inducing place there is no worse feeling in the world than being backstage at your show at the Wilbur and the manager coming in and being like

Hey, so we're not going to open the mezzanine. And I'm just like, I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't take that out right now. I got a lot going to. You know what I mean? Yeah. I can't handle, I can't handle like getting an email.

Hey, from a club. Hey, we can't move the Saturday tickets. Can you do a post? I can't handle that right now. I can't. And I know I just. I'm like, I do a hard thing every week right now. So I'm like taking it step by step.

Because for the past five years, I would be S&L, time off tour. S&L time off tour. I'm going to take a second. Okay. Great. I have some shows coming up in April. Hope to see y'all there. I have a new, I have a new material show every Tuesday night.

If you want to come to do it up the street. Can I do it? Anytime you want. I'll give you my number. You can do it. Come and do four. Four minutes. Okay.

I think I can handle four minutes. Honestly. Like, honestly, just come and do a, because that's when I'm fucking bombing. Yeah. That would make me feel better. I charge $10. That would make me feel better. Because it's where everyone's, I tell people, bomb.

Yeah. It's $10. Okay. It's four, you're there to not do. This sounds nice. I'm going to try. Yeah, it's very low stress. Okay.

Everyone there's supportive to the crowd's like supportive because it's like new job. But, okay. So what about, how do you feel about self-care? You did none, you did none and now you're trying to do something. Well, this is like my version of self-care is like taking a break from something, which is like something I didn't think I would ever do. I didn't think that I would be after putting out a comedy special being like, I'm going to take a tiny break from touring. That's self-care. And do you think anyone in human existence has ever exhibited self-care?

before now. This is what I, this is the conversation I have with myself sometimes. People go on vacation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm not saying don't go on vacation. I'm just saying like, well, people didn't really go on vacation until a couple, 50 years ago. Europeans do. That's like their whole thing.

Yeah, okay. Like germ. Yeah. Okay. Like, what year do you think Europeans started going on vacation? Because you're talking about a horseback. You're talking about, you're talking about horses, carriages. Their car didn't exist until 20.

15. But didn't like all like British people have like summer? Whatever they, I'm betting the answers now. Whatever the question is. Fucking the Spanish got a fucking vacation in the middle of the day. That's a siesta. Yes, that's not a vacation. That's a nap.

Right. So, and they're famous for it. Right. One country out of 200. Right. So what I'm not saying we shouldn't self care. I'm wondering. I guess I'm talking to all.

modern people. Yeah. What are we how much self-care, how much you had to use the term aftercare and you're special. I do. I do. I wanted to provide you guys with a bit of aftercare. Do you like being pampered? Do you go to like spas?

Yeah, but it's like micro self-care. So it's like, I fucking love a massage. Yeah. And it's also like I'm such a wound up type person that I like medically need it. But like, I do think modern day self-care is more cynical

than maybe you're making it out to be, which is like, it's like so much of self-care now is about making someone like more productive for the marketplace. Well, yeah. There's, yeah, it's all optimization. Yeah. Like when like Don Draper

at the end of Mad Men goes to his meditation retreat. It's so that he can be a better salesman. So it's like, I don't actually think that people are really actually taking care of themselves. Well, this gets in a bigger question. What is the point of life? Well, I'm like, what are, what are we supposed to be doing? Have a fun.

Yeah? Do you believe that? I'm not, I'm not saying it like, I'm saying like, yeah, I think I, sometimes I agree with you. Well, this is why I'm a comedian. It's like I feel like I built my whole life around laughing and having fun with my friends. But I'm like, I live such a tortured existence. Oh, that's what I was going to tell you. My friend, this is proof that I'm crazy.

Yes. My friend, Sully, book shows in Chicago. He books the best shows in Chicago. He's amazing. Sully, book shows under Local Universe. Go see all the shows of Chicago. I did a show with him at the high. out. I was like, I said

Sully, no one's here, no one's coming to the show. And he's in the green room me being like, we sold out, it's great. What you're talking about? And I'm like, I went out there, there's no one in the room. No one came. I'm so crazy. I was so crazy

and so paranoid that I convinced this person whose job is to professionally put on show, live shows in Chicago. I convinced him that our eyes and ears were deceiving us and that a full room of people of ticket holders was empty. You could not see them.

I guess it's like dysmorphia. Dismorphia. Yeah. But could you not see them? I don't know. I think I like saw there was like empty chairs and I can only see the empty chairs. Do you get that on stage? I can only see the, and I'll call it out.

I think I say it in the special. Are we holding a seat for Elijah or something? Yeah. Yeah. What do you want for you, I well I think that my anxiety and psychotic behavior makes me difficult to deal with to the people closest to me and I would like them to have a less bad time being around me. What if it hurt the materials are? I don't care about that.

That's okay. It would if it hurt if the show was worse. If you were more pleasant, but the show was worse. Well, it's so interesting because you're coming to me at a point of my life where I'm like at zero. Right. I'm like blank slate. There is no show. I've got like fucking 20 bad minutes kicking around vaguely.

I don't like any of it. I don't care about it. If you were to tell, like there is no show. I want to start over from, I mean, that's what's kind of nice starting over. It's like I can just start with. You don't have to be this in it. You could change. You could get it, put a nice wig on.

I did have a fantasy that I would do a serenormal set, an hour. an hour in a blonde wig and a t-shirt and I'd be like dating is kind of weird what's funny about you is when you make fun of regular stand-up I feel no I feel bad as a regular stand-up and I'm also like well it's because I wish I could do regular stand-trap no I know it's like I don't feel actually bad because I'm like I can't I can't do shit about my intestines well I those jokes are making fun of regular stand-up are like genuine attempts at me like kind of trying to do it and But it's like, I love going up at the cellar. My life would be better if I could figure out to do it. I've heard, I've heard Essie speak highly about. Yes. She's, she, she looks out for her girl. Yeah.

She likes what, nobody wants me to change what I'm doing. Yeah. And people are always, like, confused. Like, if I bomb, I'm genuinely like fucking bummed. Yeah. And people are like, but you try to bomb. You're like doing a weird thing. And I'm like, no comedian wants to be, like, my work is alienating.

I revel in freaking people out, but what I genuinely try to do is freak people out and draw them back in. So it's like, you will love me against all odds. You know what I mean? So, but when I genuinely push people away too much, it's like, no, I'm trying to pull them back. I have failed if I have not pulled them back.

Do you work, you open for Samoa, right? Uh-huh. How were those shows? Well, it's funny because I bombed a lot opening for him because those rooms are very hard for me. They have rooms. They're arenas. Yeah.

it's hard he's a rock star so and people are there to see sailor yeah but what's you know so i i i've done i've done i'm not saying i always bomb i i've done well i've also bombed it's just hard to get used to those rooms i like i like i need one show to be like okay now i remember how to do this crazy fucking arena whatever um but like my material can be like you know bizarre and gross or whatever and if i it's just funny to me because i'm like like Sandler's hour is like 10 times bluer and more surreal and crazier than mine. I actually think we're a great fit. Yeah.

But sometimes I think audiences are a little. But they don't know he's doing that. Until all of a sudden it's happening. And then they're like, right. He is doing a 10-minute bit about fucking a snowman. Yeah. He also has my favorite chichoke, which is, uh, he's like, you ever be wiping your ass? And you go, whatever happens, this is the last wipe.

It's one of my favorite He's my favorite He's such a good dude You don't like the internet I don't Um Yeah But you are definitely

You seem like a product of the internet No? I am I think I'm like such A bar Nightclub comedian That is not what standup is anymore

Like Ultimately Yes standups We're making money from live ticket sales but it's like I can't do the clips and I can't do the

again like I'm slow your clips do well when I YouTube you like today girl but I also don't have like the speed I can't do it oh you're not you're talking about like doing a thing about Iran

and a thing about yeah yeah that's yeah but that's not every not everyone's gonna be able to no whatever don't worry about it Yeah, but I just think, again, as someone who I do care, you know, the unconscious and dreams are interesting to me, but I think a lot of today is just like, I do too. We're like replacing our mind with taking in like actual, our minds are like actual garbage chutes of just my, my boyfriend's sister's husband, Mikey Swanberg, said it best. He's like, our minds are only supposed to know like rock and stick.

and it's like the same human minds that's only supposed to be knowing about rock and stick have to be knowing about like every single day just like... Yeah. It's like my little mind can't take it anymore and it's like thank you to the fucking internet I have found out

I've taken in more art in my lifetime than anyone human being alive before me has ever taken in but also I've taken in a lot of fucking crap and it's mind pollution and it's crap and I can't keep up. I can't keep up with Do you set boundaries for yourself? Yeah, I like try not to look at anything.

Well, that doesn't work. I was like, I'm going to read a book. Yeah, have you read a book? I read for an hour and ten minutes the other day. There you go. Yeah. That's pretty good. Pretty good.

I had to put the computer and phone in the other room. Right, exactly. Sequest her. And it just makes you, comedy just... I mean, I love S&L. It's live. It's live.

like yes it exists on the internet for everyone watching it on the toilet on YouTube I also like thinking like even if you think of my special like my special is like this big and now all of a sudden everything has to be like this big and I'm like but that's not how I see I see this big but it has to be this big yeah I can't be doing that shit like all the it was funny having to clip down my stand-up special like this because I'm like but it's actually like that yeah I'm like moving around There's a cool set piece over there There's a cool

You know I feel like you don't get the whole Everybody's taking in things like that Well would they come see you When I go on tour If you ever go over going to work Do you bring all that shit on the road Do you bring the videos?

Yeah Got it I gotta make all new videos though Girl It's a lot Give yourself a long Give yourself a window What was the longest

What was the longest break you ever took? I took a year I put a special A two years ago And took a year off basically Yeah Did that feel amazing? You were just a long?

doing self-care. Girl. Yeah, but like now, then it's taken, then I came back here and it's taking me like seven months to get decent again. Yeah. Like I was not good. And I had, I just, it literally last night was like the first night I had like three great sets of the cellar.

Yeah. Like three like, bang. Okay, great, great, great. Not like, uh, uh, uh, yeah. And the amount of like training. and like focus that I have to do is embarrassing. I also, I have aspirations to do a lot of other stuff, like write a lot of other stuff.

And it's hard for me to be like doing SNL and writing other stuff and then doing stand-up. Like I just admire, like when you're working on all your shows, like doesn't stand-up fall to the wayside? I don't really work on it. Now I just do stand-up in direct commercials. I don't do anything else. I just,

it's not, I just, but when you were writing TV. When I wrote for Chappelle, it was like, that's all I did. Yeah. But,

and then once I started doing it, it was like, I never, I always thought stand up was the coolest thing. Yeah. Well, how was your relationship? Your boyfriend relationship.

It's good. Yeah. It's, I have a very, I have a relationship that very few people who do what I do have, and I'm very grateful for. for it. He's a sane

human being who is grounded to reality in a way that I am not and he's also funnier than any comedian I know and he's not a comedian. I love him people say that. He is not a comedian. He does something awesome instead.

He's going to grad school. He's fucking smart. And so like we've been together since I'm 19 so like before my life was kind of crazy. So that's also nice too. Because I can have like, this person who like knows me, you know.

If I met someone fucking now, I don't know how people do it. They don't do it well. I mean, it's just hard. I mean, I think it's impossible for everybody. Yeah. Have you, and it's never, you've just, it's always been good and like. I mean, it's been a lot. Well, I brought him on tour.

When I was touring a lot, like I was going from S&L to tour. he was like okay so I'm not going to see you ever and so I was like well guess what you're my tour manager now great so I brought him on tour with me that was fun great so he's funnier than Richard Pryor is what you're telling me yeah I think so and Rodney combined and and Bill Burr and Chappelle and Chris Rock and it sucks I hate to tell these guys Malini he's funny than Malay so I'm just going through random George Carlin, Louis, Wanda,

yeah, Sarah, Joan Rivers. Sucks. Maybe he's not as funny as Joan Rivers. Guys, Sarah Sherman is her name, and the special is called Sarah Sherman, live and in the flesh. It's, oh, you know what I wanted to ask you? Oh. Do you think everyone's gross or that you're especially gross?

I do think I'm especially gross. You do? Mm-hmm. Why? Because it's local? Yeah, I can smell it Yeah So that's that's all it

What did you say? You said that you had so much Meat in your In your underwear That is a David Spade joke You needed a silica peck I get off stage after opening for Sandler And I'm like my pussy so whatever

And Spade goes, I got one for you I got there's so much old meat in my underwear I got to keep a silica packet in there to keep it going and then hey he's in the special thanks at the end fuck Spade you did it again yeah thank you Spade not he will not do the podcast

why don't want to talk about his emotional life oh wow but Sarah Sherman did and we just close the episode live and in the flesh Sarah Sherman and look for 27 on the road

look for The Sirent Live watch her clips. They work in 9 by 16 as well as 16 by 9. She's good. She's funny. And she's, she's a lot. Thank you.