Bonanas for Bonanza - Bonanas For Bonanza Episode #45: “Silent Thunder”

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

Subscribe to The Andy Daly Podcast Project at Patreon.com/AndyDaly Comedian, actor and author Patton Oswalt drops by to discuss Bonanza Season 2, episode 13 - “Silent Thunder”, the first Bona...nza episode to be directed by legendary filmmaker Robert Altman. This episode features an uncommomly beautiful and completely silent woman whose advances disgust Joe Cartwright for reasons that are left to the viewer’s imagination! Also, fair warning, there are spoilers for the 1971 film McCabe and Mrs. Miller which may or may not be a western and is either very good or terrible.Featuring Matt Gourley and Patton OswaltPatton’s new book: https://www.darkhorse.com/Books/3010-099/Minor-Threats-Volume-1-A-Quick-End-To-A-Long-Beginning-TPB Merch: redbubble.com/people/ADPodProject/shopMail: PO Box 9407 Glendale, CA 91226Email: bonanaspod@gmail.comAndy’s website: andydaly.comRecord date: 7/7/2023 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:25 CBC News. This is Andy Daly. Here on this free feed, we release an episode of Bananas for Bananza every other week. If you want to hear them earlier and ad free, please subscribe to patreon.com slash Andy Daly. You'll also find the entire archive there, as well as two bonus podcasts, access to the Discord, and more. Subscribe today and now enjoy this episode of Bananas for Bonanza. Take some ponderosa pride and forever may it Pride I'm bananas for bananas You ready? Yeah! You know how I always start these episodes, Pattantone, when I go, hey, yeah!
Starting point is 00:01:45 Ha! Ah! Pshh! Oh, but Taylor fires a bullet in the air. How are you doing? I'm good. Those bullets come down, like, they don't come down here, they'll come this way.
Starting point is 00:01:57 I'm able to shoot with a perfect trajectory-less shot, so we'll fall literally back into the barrel of my gun. Wow. Okay. Yeah. At some point, but they, they go up for a while. You'll notice at some point while we're chatting, he'll hold his gun up just like he had it before. And you might hear just the faintest little clink and that's the bullet going back in the barrel. That's fantastic. It is Pat Nozlott is our guest.
Starting point is 00:02:20 Also we say, hello friend, come on in. The gate is open wide. That's my sign on. I have a new sign off, but you'll hear that toward the end. Remember the new sign off? We'll try to remember it. Will Patton, where are you talking about Bananas for, well this is Bananas for Bonanza. We talk about Bonanza.
Starting point is 00:02:40 Do you know, still to this day, this is the only podcast where people are going back and watching episodes of Bonanza and talking about them episode by episode. That never ceases to puzzle and confuse me, the fact that this is the only one. I'm glad about it, but I am surprised. I thought it'd be a crowded field. Yeah, I'm glad about it too.
Starting point is 00:02:59 I have real mixed feelings. I feel like the world's missing something, but we're doing it. But you know what, maybe in a couple years, this is gonna be like what happened with True Crime. Like a few years on that there'll be 200 Bonanza podcasts, there'll be Netflix documentaries, it'll just be a whole industry.
Starting point is 00:03:16 That's what it'll be, and I'll spend all my time going, we was first. Yeah, exactly. You guys are gonna be the Ramones of this and never make any money. And you're gonna watch Blink 182 flying in private jets off of what you built. I bet Blink 182 will actually do a Bonanza podcast.
Starting point is 00:03:33 That'd be amazing. Yeah, I'll bet you they will. I ain't never heard of them nor their, what was the first one you mentioned? The Ramones. I don't know them. They are musical acts. You know Hank Williams Sr.?
Starting point is 00:03:46 Indeed I do know Hank Williams. I think Hank Williams Sr. is the Ramones of the Ramones. I'll say that. You know, you are not wrong about that. Really? You could make an argument, oh, I just got an idea for a podcast. Trace the Ramones back to Hank Williams Williams. Note by note, song by song.
Starting point is 00:04:07 Song by song. Well, he ain't gonna go through his son, Hank Williams Jr., I don't think. I might do a little detour, maybe. Little fork in the road. Yeah, yeah, sure. All I know about that guy is he's ready for football. He is?
Starting point is 00:04:20 He's still ready. Yeah, and boy, when he golfs, he says some crazy stuff on the golf course. Oh brother. That's all I'm going to say. Oh brother. You know, uh, Hank William, seeing your his first time performing at the grand old operating, uh, not a lot of people were there, but everybody who was there started a country band. They say, wow, I didn't. That's what they always say about it. So amazing.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Yeah. Favorite musician that died in the back of a Cadillac. Yeah. Yeah. He's in my top three for sure. And I've got 18 of those. Yeah, there is, yeah, and he was on that, yeah, gave him a vitamin B, 12 shot in his butt, sent him off to the gig, didn't make it.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Oops. Damn. Oh, Will. Sometimes it takes more than a B. Will, folks, today we're talking about Bonanza season two, episode 13, Silent Thunder. Can you imagine what would make Thunder silent? Lightning.
Starting point is 00:05:12 Oh, what? Lightning is like a silent thunder? I don't know, I panicked. I just panicked. I thought it was a question I had to answer. This episode, yeah. It's a weirdly appropriate title, as we will see. But there is a way that Thunder would be silent for you.
Starting point is 00:05:26 How would Thunder be silent? If you were a deaf person. There you go. Did I just spoil? No, that's fine. This move, this episode, I said movie because it feels like a movie. It really does.
Starting point is 00:05:37 It's got a lot like the Miracle Worker as a matter of fact. A lot. Maybe did a search and replace on the miracle worker script. Sometimes they do that on the dancer, yeah. Change Anne to little Joe. Exactly. And it works out perfect. This episode has everything.
Starting point is 00:05:55 It has a lamb, it has a woman that doesn't speak, it has a hell of a brawl, and appearances by half the regular cast. Exactly, yeah. And barely at that. Barely. There's clearly, there was a, can I do all my scenes sitting down?
Starting point is 00:06:10 Lorne Michaels gave that note. Can I be in a chair? There was. Can I please be seated? This episode had an interesting pattern where it's a cart ride boy out in the world behaving and then coming home to get advice from his father. Chastised.
Starting point is 00:06:24 Chastised. Well, no, not his father. Chastised. Chastised. Yeah, not advice. Absolutely chastised. Get back. It was almost like he was going back and Lauren Green was saying, go back there and finish this episode. The episode, the story's not done. You got some more scenes to do.
Starting point is 00:06:36 I told you I didn't want to be in this episode, son. What are you doing here? It's on you. If you think I'm leaving the Ponderosa, yes, again. Oh, and it also has, I don't want to get into this, it has an appearance by a weird, bizarre-o-universe version of Adam and Hoss. Evil doppelgangers of them show up,
Starting point is 00:06:55 which, and the episode has a very science fiction-y feel. The set of the outdoor area where the lambs are has that pond with that weird colored water it looks like they just borrowed a Star Trek set for a day absolutely can we just shoot here get move out to alien plants put in some Western plants we can leave the water the way it is really they say that's a Venusian what doesn't matter well it was they have a surplus of mouthwash let's use it here that'll be the water. Okay. I did think, speaking to Star Trek,
Starting point is 00:07:26 when these brawl on the rocks, I thought, what does this remind me of? Oh yeah. The big brawl and the search for Spock on the planet that's be destabilizing and falling apart. That's right. Made me think of it might've been the same rocks. Probably. Well, this, so this episode, I'm not going to talk much at all about the, this date in history. We talk, cause this episode first aired on December the 10th of 1960 and nothing changed from last week. Butterfield eight is still the number one movie in the country. You ever see Butterfield eight?
Starting point is 00:07:54 I have not. That's Liz Taylor, right? Liz Taylor and Eddie, is it Eddie? Eddie Fisher. Eddie Fisher. They just married at the time. It's basically, are you familiar with that newfangled term slut shaming? Newfangled? Yeah. I'm not.
Starting point is 00:08:12 That's a new thing. I'm so behind. That used to just be called talking. Yeah, man, these Zoomers, I don't know what they're up to now, but it's, yeah. How many weeks that stays number one before we got to watch that movie? Butterfield 8? I think we might need to watch got to watch that movie? Butterfield 8?
Starting point is 00:08:25 I think we might need to watch it already. But basically, Butterfield 8 is slut shaming. So fair warning, sluts, if you don't want to feel ashamed, stay away from Butterfield 8 is what I'd say. Wings of a Dove by Ferlin Husky is still the number one country song. Number one song in the country is still, Are You Lonesome to Nat Baobus Presley?
Starting point is 00:08:42 Which is essentially a country song. Yeah. That is absolutely a country song. Yeah. That is absolutely a country song. But you know, Al Jolson recorded it 20 years before Elvis. Do you know that? No. Isn't that 20 years? No, even more.
Starting point is 00:08:53 It was in the twenties. Oh, okay. So 40 years. Does the Al Jolson version have a talking section where he just whistles? Yes, it does. No, it does. Al Jolson, it has a talking section.
Starting point is 00:09:04 It does. Oh, Lord. Al Jolson, it has a talking section. It does. Oh lord. You seem to change. You acted strange. Why, I've never known. Then came the day you went away and left me all alone. If you lied when you said you loved me, I had no cause to doubt you. For I'd rather go on hearing your lies than go on living without you. It came about because Colonel Tom Parker's wife, his carny wife, by the way, they didn't have an official wedding, but a carny wedding. Well, carny vows in ways are more even or even more binding than regular Christian or Catholic vows.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Yeah, they're like blood eyes. Yeah. Yeah. Carny vows are really, I think you have to exchange teeth. It's pretty rough. And not necessarily your own. No, exactly. Yeah, yeah. There ain't no carny divorce. Let's put it that way.
Starting point is 00:09:52 That's called a trapeze accident. People go, how solid is your marriage right now? I go, we're carny married. We took carny vows. My wife gave me a box of rooster teeth. You can annul that. That ain't gonna happen. My wife gave me a box of rooster teeth. You can annul that. That ain't gonna happen.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Yep. But she requested that Elvis recorded and Elvis said, all right, fine. Who was born on December 10th, 1960 with Kenneth Branagh? What? Yeah, he was born on the day this episode first aired. That makes him a 62 year old man. Still managed to put out an autobiography,
Starting point is 00:10:24 I think in the nineties. That's a bold move. That is, yeah. Yeah, you a 62 year old man. Still managed to put out an autobiography, I think in the nineties. Can you, that's a bold move. That is, yeah. Yeah. You got decades ahead of you. Like volume one, volume one. I got other stuff I'm going to do. I'm of the opinion and have been for a long time that in the Kenneth Branagh Frankenstein, Kenneth Branagh had painted onto his stomach a six pack of abs. Take a look, watch carefully.
Starting point is 00:10:47 I believe that's what happened. Okay, that would not surprise me. Yeah, he tried to bow flex it up for that movie because everyone remembers from Mary Shelley's novel how she talks about how ripped and all the diary entries. There's no other way to play that. Yeah. Finally a faithful adaptation of Mary Shelley's.
Starting point is 00:11:06 Day 17, still keto. Monster not alive yet, but keep into my keto. Abs fully alive and resurrected. If only I could put my own abs on the monster. He would be truly perfect. Well, no can't be done. Well, anyways, now I'm gonna move into some fun facts about this episode, people involved in making this episode.
Starting point is 00:11:31 Yeah, this was a doozy. It was, it was, this episode was written by John Furrier, who wrote a bunch of bonanzas, did a nice job here, was directed by one of them guys like Orson Welles, who peaked early, you know, like this episode of Bonanza he did in his thirties. And then he went on to do, he did mostly art movies such as mash and McCabe and Mrs. Miller and Nashville and the player shortcuts. Gosford Park. He did a lot of movies. Popeye. He directed fellow
Starting point is 00:11:59 by the name of Robert Altman, who's a, he directed this one here. You ever seen any of his film works? I have seen most of his films. In fact, now that you mention it, I would be very curious as to what a Dalton Wilcox and Mutt would think of McCabe and Mrs. Miller, which is a masterpiece, but it is an anti-Western. Well, you should say that. It is a very dark, dark Western. I went and watched it just last night, I did.
Starting point is 00:12:29 Because I was so intrigued, because, yes, old Robert Altman called it an anti-Western. However, the AFI, what's that stand for? American Film I, American Film of Investigation, they called it the eighth greatest Western of all time. How can something be an anti-Western and the eighth greatest Western of all time? Because it is a absolutely brilliant film.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Well. It is absolutely brilliant. I don't know what you think of it, but I think it's fantastic. I thought it was pile of garbage. Oh, see, there you go. I didn't care for it one bit. Would not surprise me.
Starting point is 00:13:02 You can't have a goddamn final showdown in fucking five feet of snow. It slows down the action and everybody looks cold. And I don't wanna see that. I wanna see two fellows squaring off in Virginia city in the dusty road and firing on each other. And lessons we're not learned if you take a look at Die Hard 2 and they're still having fights.
Starting point is 00:13:25 You're right. You know, never were. That's why nobody saw that film. See, I figured, see, that's why I figure you would also didn't like, because I imagine you don't think a Western should end with a prostitute swacked out of her brain on opium, looking at a little glass jar
Starting point is 00:13:42 while she's lying in an opium bench. Is that how it ends? That's the last shot. She's just looking at this piece of blown glass a little glass jar while she's lying in an opium. Is that how it ends? That's the last shot. She's looking at this, he's a blown glass and she's out of her mind on opium. Well, not only that, but then the director, is Robert Altman, made me look at the glass jar too.
Starting point is 00:13:56 No. Yeah. Yeah, he takes you deep into it. Like you're- Against your will or? Well, I guess they held it up to the camera, but the way it feels is that you're looking at it. I watched his I've never seen this movie.
Starting point is 00:14:08 I watched his greatest Western all time, which is Popeye. Oh, Popeye. Yeah. Stranger comes to town. OK, listen, I don't want to get all film nerdy, but Popeye is essentially a remake of McCabe and Mrs. Miller. Wait a minute. It's the same plot. Guy comes to town. Oh, yeah. I was trying to kind of an outsider.
Starting point is 00:14:25 Falls in love with this kind of outsider woman. Shelley Duvall tries being a prostitute for the first time. No, she doesn't try. No, no, well she's a prostitute and became Mrs. Miller. Yeah, but she becomes one because her husband dies. She becomes one because her husband dies. That's a heartwarming scene. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:40 There's even. Well, cause you worry about her when her husband dies. You think what's going to become of her? Well, and it's a beautiful answer. She can, you know, fuck for money. Julie Christie swoops in and it's like, you're about to make a whole lot of new friends. Oh, what kind of friends?
Starting point is 00:14:56 Well, you know, friends, brief friends. Okay. Brief, but intense friendships. All right. Friends with $2. There's even a shot in Popeye, you gotta look for it, when they take Sweet Pea to the bedding parlor and there's a little tiny red light district of like floozies.
Starting point is 00:15:14 I know this, yeah. But one of the floozies is lying in a bed and she's looking at the same- No! Blown glass there- Are you serious? At the end of McCabe and Mrs. Miller and she has the same hair as Julie Christie. They just stuck that into Popeye.
Starting point is 00:15:27 I'm not kidding. There's a visual reference and most of the cast of McCabe and Mrs. Miller is in Popeye playing versions of the same people they played in McCabe and Mrs. Miller. Including Dennis Frounds? Dennis Frounds. He's in Popeye.
Starting point is 00:15:41 He's in Popeye. No, but the town drunk is there and he plays the town drunk. Yeah, so there's a lot of the same people are inye. He's not, no, but the town drunk is there and he plays the town drunk. Yeah, so there's a lot of the same people are in there. Hell. Well, I've seen one. So you're right, Popeye is a Western. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:52 Popeye is a Western. All right. Now I got to see that one now. I got to watch that one tonight. Haven't watched McCabe and Mrs. Miller tonight. Do you know, spoilers for McCabe and Mrs. Miller. Oh. The good guy, I believe he's dead.
Starting point is 00:16:02 Oh, he very much died. What? How do you do that in a movie? Kid do that, and he didn't sacrifice himself for anything. No, no, he pretty much dies for nothing. This is a 1970s film. This is the early 70s where everything sucked and everyone lost, and you're supposed to leave movies feeling miserable.
Starting point is 00:16:20 The good guy can die if it's in the greater cause of defeating the bad guy, but that doesn't happen in this film at all. Endings were not allowed in 1970s films. Yeah, it was wrong. If you either want to make a movie in the 70s and you wanted an ending, you had to make it so long that it lasted into the 80s. Oh, I see.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Does that make sense? That's how they did it. That's how they pulled that off, yeah. Well, so that movie is garbage, we all agree. Well, I'm going to abstain. Well, here's a weird quote. This I believe came from the INDB page. See if you can make head or tail of this. Warren Beatty hated Robert Altman so much. He later said that had he produced the film himself, he would have killed Altman.
Starting point is 00:16:59 I don't think you need to be a producer to kill someone. That's what I thought. Yeah. I think you're allowed. He had doesn't he? Didn't he have the star power at that point to kill anyone he wanted? I would I thought. Yeah, I think you're allowed. He had doesn't he? Didn't he have the star power at that point to kill anyone he wanted? I would think so. Yeah, I would have guessed so. I did read and didn't he? He did Hoffa in. I think that's true.
Starting point is 00:17:14 I'm sorry, Warren Beatty. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. We we get to the bottom of a lot of mysteries in this podcast. Oh, OK. That's good. Bottom getters. Yeah, great. There was he apparently Warren Baby did object to shooting in the snow. Well, I know this story.
Starting point is 00:17:29 Oh, well yeah. Well, that last shot of him sitting there while the snow literally piles up around him, it's the longest shot of him just dying in the snow. Yeah. Oh, Blizzard. Altman did that to him on purpose because they were so, they hated each other so much.
Starting point is 00:17:42 He's like, well, you don't like shooting in the snow? Well, guess what the last shot, guess what your final shot's gonna be? We're gonna literally bury you and we're gonna keep the camera rolling while you just slowly freeze to death. It does look like the worst thing in the world. His face is covered in ice and I watched real carefully.
Starting point is 00:17:56 I thought, well, they must've put a dummy out there, but every once in a while he takes a breath. No, that's Lawrence sitting in the snow freezing to death. I love it. Damn, poor Philip. It's also got a great, it also has a great line by Burt Mustin early on who plays it, the pimp that he initially buys his women from,
Starting point is 00:18:15 Warren Beatty refers to him as a butternut muff diver, and I don't know why that hasn't become the name of a Western swing group, the butternut muff diver. You got them butternut Muff Diver. I'll give you 200 for three. Yeah, that sounds like Deadwood talk to me. Yeah, it is, but it does have that feeling. But yeah, I want three chippies.
Starting point is 00:18:33 Yeah, chippies, you want the chippies. Yeah, listen, you Butternut Muff Diver. Yeah. God damn. How come they never say that on Bonanza? Butternut Muff Diver, meet Lembert Dick Cocksucker. Lembert Dick Cocksucker. Butternut Muff Diver. Lembert Dick, did you say? Lembert Dick cocksucker. All right.
Starting point is 00:18:49 You square headed hooplehead. Before he became a filmmaker, Robert Altman worked in publicity for a company that had invented a tattooing machine to identify dogs. Now, isn't that wonderful? Well, who doesn't know this fact? Are you saying this like this is news? I didn't know if everybody knew that. But the thing about it that I think is I can't believe that tattoos for dogs hasn't caught on in Los Angeles of all places. Oh, especially in LA. Like sleeve tattoos. Yeah. How come nobody's tattooing their dogs out here?
Starting point is 00:19:20 Oh, so what if there's a dog that forgot things and how his girlfriend was killed? Oh my goodness, yeah. And you see it in his home, he's so memento himself. Yeah. Yeah, that's true, I had a dog once, couldn't remember anything past 45 seconds. Who's my owner, who's my owner? Just this tattoo across his chest and backwards,
Starting point is 00:19:35 time for a walk. He just looks up and is like, oh, I gotta, hey, I need a walk. Cause the first thing a dog does, he wakes up in the morning, is look in the mirror, stand up, look in the mirror. Yeah, time for a walk. You are indeed a good boy. Yeah, and, he wakes up in the morning, he's looking in the mirror, stand up and look in the mirror. Yeah. Take a look. Time for a walk. You are indeed a good boy.
Starting point is 00:19:47 Yeah. And also at the base of the tail, you get little doggy tramp stamps. You know. I'm telling you, Robert Altman didn't do a very good job of publicity for this company because this ought to be all the rage. Yeah. That could have been a billion dollar multinational. Yep.
Starting point is 00:20:02 All right. And Croft, the deaf girl. Well, you know what? I'm sorry. Dog tattooing's loss was cinema's game. That's true. Yeah. I suppose that's true. Which would we rather have? An anti-Western or a whole subculture of dog dance? I think that's an easy answer. I'd take the latter for sure. My God. Anne Croft was played by Stella Stevens. She was named Playmate of the Month, or Playboy Magazine in January, 1960. So if you're wondering how she got cast
Starting point is 00:20:30 in this episode of Bonanza, which aired in December of the same year, you have your answer. Whoa. They just flipped through that magazine and said, how about her? Boom. She was married at 16, a mother at 17, and divorced at 18.
Starting point is 00:20:42 Whoa, what a run. These three different Hank Williams senior songs. My God. Damn, Stella. And one Hank Williams junior song. And one Hank Williams junior song. Oh my God. So then what, I feel bad.
Starting point is 00:20:58 What happened to her? Do we have any more information? Oh my God, she had a wonderful career. She had an insane career and it came to kind of a sad end. Oh, as you always do. And can I just say, she is offensively beautiful in this episode. I agree. To a point where you're kind of going, people are, like, little Joe is having qualms about, like, I don't know if I should...
Starting point is 00:21:23 Well, I was confused about that. That's one of the if I should, you know, I was confused about that. That's one of the things in this episode. I think Joe was confused about a lot of things. Here's why I think she's so bewitchingly beautiful. First of all, hands down, the most beautiful woman we've ever seen in this series. And I think it's because her hair's all tussled because she's supposed to be deep and dumb
Starting point is 00:21:40 and wild and savage. And she doesn't have one of them old timey hair. Oh yeah. So you start to see her in her contemporary lens, her face is not made up like a woman of that era. Boy, is she bewitching. She's the most plainly dressed we've ever seen on this show.
Starting point is 00:21:52 Oh my God. She looks like Tinkerbell without the wings. You're right. She looks like, she was too beautiful. And that's not me being lecherous. They have sexualized Tinkerbell. They based her on Marilyn Monroe.
Starting point is 00:22:06 I met a woman who claimed to be, well, I believe her, why'd I say claimed to be? The actress that they filmed to then animate Tinkerbell. She walks around and tells that to everybody. Where does she walk around and do that? At the Bob Baker Marionette Theater. That makes a lot of sense. I'm glad I asked that follow-up fucking quick.
Starting point is 00:22:23 Where else? There's another one that does glad I asked that follow-up fucking quick. Where else? There's another one that does that, but that's down on Venice Beach. And she's only, she's 23, so I don't know about that. She does a lot of things. Yeah. Yeah. Stella Stevens also played the role of a passion out of Von Climax in the musical Little Abner.
Starting point is 00:22:39 I didn't realize Little Abner had a character named- What? Whose last name was Von Climax. Von Climax, the James Bond producer would go like, yeah, no, we can't. Guys, we, look, we got away with Pussy Galore. Let's walk away from the table. They're comping our rooms.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Let's not keep risking this. Then can I have it? Producer of Little Abner here. That's it, can I, yeah, what's your name? What are you, Russ Meyer? No, we're doing Little Abner. What? I'm working on a Broadway musical based on a Sunday morning cartoon strip. What? There's
Starting point is 00:23:08 Horace and Popeye. Ain't you seen that? Come on. She was Elvis Presley's love interest in Girls, Girls, Girls. Right. She was Jerry Lewis's love interest in The Nutty Professor. She played a beauty queen. In The Courtship of Eddie's Father, she was beauty queen. And in The Poseidon Adventure, she played Linda Rogo, the refreshingly outspoken ex-prostitute wife of Ernest Borgnein's character. That's what you'd want in an ex-prostitute that she'd be refreshingly outspoken.
Starting point is 00:23:37 Shelly Winters is not Ernest Borgnein's wife in that movie? Am I remembering that wrong? I thought she was Jack Albertson's wife. Okay, yeah. But maybe I'm wrong. But I also think of Shelly Winters as being refreshingly outspoken in that movie. Yeah, it's wrong? I thought she was Jack Albertson's wife. Okay, yeah. But maybe I'm wrong. But I also think of Shelley Winters as being refreshingly outspoken in that movie. Yeah, it's true.
Starting point is 00:23:48 They had more than one. Yeah, very refreshingly outspoken. Yes, and a damn fine swimmer. Oh boy, with lung capacity that you can't even imagine. I'll tell you, man. Good Lord. She says, in the water, I'm a very skinny lady. She proves it.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Yeah, she is. Well, Stella Stevens also, she married a man 12 years her junior. Good for her. Good, well, lucky dude. And he was a guitarist in Meat Loaf's touring band. Care to guess what Meat Loaf's touring band was called? Wait a minute, The Bats Out of Hell? No.
Starting point is 00:24:21 I'll say... The Butternut Muff D ice. That would have been perfect. Meatloaf and the I will be on the apprentice one day. For some goddamn reason his band was called the Neverland Express. Come on. That sounds like a Robert Altman movie. Yeah. Yeah you're right. I never thought Meatloaf considered himself a Peter Pan, but I guess he is. Where would she meet a touring guitarist for Meatloaf? Good question. Where would they run into each other?
Starting point is 00:24:53 Oh, 70s, 60s party. Oh, yeah, 70s party. Yeah, 60s, everyone got slapped together at those things. She was in a wood paneled hot tub when she met him, is what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. She had a long life, but then died rather suddenly
Starting point is 00:25:06 and this guitarist was heartbroken. How'd she, what, how? I think she just had a stroke. Did you have some other information? Well, I thought she suffered from Alzheimer's for quite a while. Oh yeah, that's right. And then she had a... Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:25:19 She was in some sort of assisted place or something. Yeah, yeah. Yep. But nothing's as sad as this, Albert Sammy. Oh God, let's not, this, okay. This is- You know about Albert Sammy? Yes, I do, and this is fucking grim. This is what I call a fun fact.
Starting point is 00:25:35 Oh. This is part of the show. Well, first of all, he was in the Broadway production of a bus stop and they said, you wanna be in the movie? And he said, movies is for suckers. He turned it down. And that was, he would have worked- Who would he, you want to be in the movie? And he said, movies is for suckers. He turned it down. And that was, he would have worked. Who did he play in the show, in the episode? Is he Alvy?
Starting point is 00:25:50 I don't know. Yeah. Albert Sommie plays Alvy in this episode. He plays the weird mountain rapist and he had a part in bus stop. I forget the part. And he turned, he famously was like, stage is the only place for real actors. And then the actor that took the part got an Academy Award. He went and did Bonanza. And then he was like, stage is the only place for real actors. And then the actor that took the part got an Academy Award. He went and did Bonanza. And then he was like, all right, I'll give this goddamn thing a whirl.
Starting point is 00:26:11 And he tried, you know, did some stuff there, but he never really. I'd say he never got over that. No, yeah, no, he didn't. His first film role was in the Brothers Karamatsoff, and it says an IMDB, for which he turned down an Oscar nomination. I don't think you can do that.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Can you do that? I don't think you can do that. Can you do that? I don't think you can. That's weird. You've been nominated for an Oscar. No, I haven't. Yeah. Guess again. I'm going to go back and reshoot my part so shitty that you'll revoke it. But maybe it works like a process server. If they don't hand you the nomination, you haven't been nominated. They couldn't touch him with it.
Starting point is 00:26:41 They kept they would like try to ambush him. Yeah. You know, you're nominated. Fuck. Brando could have done that. But now, they would like try to ambush him. Yeah. You're nominated, fuck! Brando could have done that, but now we know he still wanted a little bit of attention. He wanted attention. He's so wanted attention. He wanted both of them Oscars. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:54 Well, and then, oh, he was also Mr. Noonan in Caddyshack. I assume that's Dana Newman's father, I guess. Yeah. I remember at the beginning when he was like, who's kid is this? He's all like, there's like a million kids running around the house. And this guy's cursed because originally that movie was been be all about the kids and not the older people. And I bet he had a bigger part that he lost out to her.
Starting point is 00:27:14 Maybe hell, he gave it away. He didn't want it. Yeah. Everything you're hearing. All that brawny do all that crap. He is the recipient of a Wrangler Award from the National Cowboy Hall of Fame for a role in a show called Gunsmoke. I'd never heard of that show, but he was in it. And finally, old Albert Sammy died of suicide moments after murdering his wife.
Starting point is 00:27:36 Oh! They call that a murder-suicide under the presumption that that's the order it happened in. Exactly. What do we call these details? Well, I don't know how you do it the other way. Well. You have to be. Yeah, you can't. I mean, I don't know how you do it the other way. Well. You'd have to be a real Rube Goldberg.
Starting point is 00:27:49 You really set up a thing that you get killed first and somehow your death sets off for murder. You shoot yourself in the head and a bowl fills up with blood. Yeah. That then tips a marble onto a little lighter that lights a cannon fuse that then blows away your time.
Starting point is 00:28:05 Maybe we shouldn't record specific directions on how to do a Rube Goldberg murder. A suicide murder. Well, over to you, OK Go. That's how they're gonna go out. Those sons of bitches. It's gonna be amazing. It'll be worth it.
Starting point is 00:28:22 Albert Salmi had like moved to Washington state and was teaching drama, but his wife and him divorced and then they, it was all this estrangement. And then I guess he went and visited her and killed her and shot her. It was like, and this is weirdly enough, this is also what's kind of creepy is it's in the early nineties, I think 90 or 91
Starting point is 00:28:43 up in Washington state. And then three years later, Kurt Cobain would kill himself. Like, I don't know if Albert Salmi was the I'm not accusing him of inspiring. Kurt Cobain said, I'm going to go out like Albert Salmi. I really want to. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of that copycat. There is a lot of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you'd never guess from his performance in this episode that he's an asshole. No, no. Sam Croft who played old Annie's father, he was in some movies with interesting titles such as Pleasure Crazed. It was 1929. Sensation Hunters in 1933. He's in
Starting point is 00:29:20 the little labner films. Then he was in a Robert Ford movie in 1930 called Men Without Women. Oh, okay. In which he played Chief Torpedo Man Burke. Oh, that he did. How'd he get that name? Sure. Yeah. And then he was in all the sequels.
Starting point is 00:29:39 Chief Torpedo Man goes to Rio. Chief Torpedo Man goes to Spring Break. It was just all these. Chief Torpedo Man runs to Rio, Chief Torpedo Man goes to spring break. It was just all- Chief Torpedo Man runs silent and runs deep. Chief Torpedo Man back door surprise. It was like, it was very popular. Very popular. Oh man.
Starting point is 00:29:56 I think Criterion's putting out a box. Chief Torpedo Man movies? Of the Chief Torpedo Man movies, yeah. I've got those novels. They have pictures. I love it. Well, that's Sam Croft, a hell of an overactor, I'll tell you, in this episode.
Starting point is 00:30:12 Oh boy. Old brother, old brother. Yeah. The preacher, James Griffith, he was in a movie called Motor Psycho! By Russ Meyer, you just mentioned him. Early Russ Meyer, one of the Motor Psycho, weirdly enough, one of the first movies to have a,
Starting point is 00:30:28 I think maybe the first to introduce the crazed Vietnam vet trope. Really? Guy back from Vietnam who went crazy because of the war and is now nuts. Was the war still going on when they made that? I believe so. Wow. What year was that film? I didn't write down the year of it, but it's about three motorcycle outlaws who ride around raping and murdering people for kicks, just for kicks. Kicks? Not even money.
Starting point is 00:30:51 Not even profiting from it. They're hobbyist rapers. They're pure. They're pure, man. That's true. They're not those sellout rapists. No, no. That do it for money.
Starting point is 00:31:00 Yeah. Corporate rapists. Corporate rapists, yeah. Oh, they're the worst. The 80s were bigger. Purely for kicks, and you can tell they love it. He was also, he was a guest star in Tramper John MD and Little House on the Prairie.
Starting point is 00:31:11 I love these little reunions, you know? Oh, that must have been, I wonder if they'd go, oh hey, good to see you again. Although wait a minute, would he, no, because he didn't have a scene with either of those guys. Oh. He was like, I was in Bonanza. Oh, and they're like, sure you were.
Starting point is 00:31:25 Yeah, sure. Yeah. What's the name of the girl that played Laura Ingalls again? Gilbert, Melissa Gilbert. Melissa Gilbert went and said, I really liked you in that Russ Meyer movie. When they were shooting. I like to get to know the work of all my co-stars. I just watched it in my trailer. I had my assistant put together a dossier. Nellie and I sat, had a little slumber party. He was also, uh, uh, well, there's so much about this fellow, James Griffith.
Starting point is 00:31:52 Here's, this is confounding. There's a show called U S Marshall. James Griffith was in every episode of U S Marshall as deputy Tom Ferguson, except for two episodes. In one episode, he is in it as a character called Doc Andrews and in another episode, he is in it as a character named Al West. Wait. Yeah, what it seems like is that
Starting point is 00:32:14 he's got the role of the deputy, but there's two episodes where they say, well, we don't have anything for the deputy to do. And then somebody said, well, according to his contract, we gotta pay this guy whether he's in the episode or not. Oh, so he's gotta go do something. So they said put a hat on him and have him be a different character.
Starting point is 00:32:27 Yeah, you might be right. Unless he was just the first two episodes where those random parts in the set. No, they weren't, I thought of that. Oh, you did? Nope, they're deep in the, buried in the season. Well, that was also, again, that's back before social media.
Starting point is 00:32:39 If you go, when we watch Dragnet episodes, there's a core of like eight actors that play all the guest roles like week after week after week because they're like, no one who cares. James Bond films. Yeah, put a different hat on them. The guys who you're talking about who seem like the Bizarro, Adam and the Boss, both of them are in their second Bonanza episode as different characters in this episode.
Starting point is 00:33:04 For real? Yeah. Okay, well, but this is what threw me because they seem like they are dressed and made up to look like Adam and Hoss. And it's very odd when they come out, when they first appear, because they shoot them in a distance and you're like, oh, here's Adam.
Starting point is 00:33:19 Well, maybe they were trying to pull a US Marshal and get Adam and the hogs, get Burnell and Dan to do it. Or maybe strike negotiation with their contracts and their threatening Bo and Luke Duke's cousins here. Exactly. Look at, we got them ready to go. Oh, they're ready to go and they're real good the way they're pushing old man around.
Starting point is 00:33:40 James Griffith, the preacher here, he wrote a film called, Shalakko starring Sean Connery wait How is shellac Oh spelled s a Lako I thought I'll echo Another was shellac. Oh like this thing. There's a guy who's like does finishing on people's decks and shellac Oh Get him in here. What's that man doing putting polyurethane on that entire house? That's shellac. That's shellac Oh, wake up our deck looks beautiful
Starting point is 00:34:12 Real shellac I didn't look it up. I don't get that deep Shal Ak. Oh while you find that out I'll also reveal the James Griffith in addition to being an actor and a writer, played sexophone with Spike Jonze's City Slicker Band. What? What the fuck kind of a name is that for a band? You know what? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:34:34 That's weird. Most parts of the country, they'd be run out of town on a rail. I think those guys, I'm just going to say, I'm going to guess those guys stuck to the coasts. Yeah, that's probably right. They probably stuck to the coasts. Yeah, that's probably right. They probably stuck to the coasts. Even the northern parts of the coasts. Schalacko, 1968.
Starting point is 00:34:50 In 1880, New Mexico, a group of European hunters runs afoul of the Apache, but is aided by an ex-Calvary man turned guy. That's got Sean Connery and Brigitte Bardot. What? Woody Strode. My Lord. Yeah, wow.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Well, shit, we're gonna have to double feature that with Butterfield. They used to play those together. Hell of an afternoon. Yeah. Finally, James Griffith was in a movie called The Amazing Transparent Man, which I'm sorry to say appears to be a bit of a ripoff of the invisible man. How do you think? Just plot wise, it seems to have the same one. It is also a great episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000.
Starting point is 00:35:29 The Amazing Transparent Man is as awful as you would think it would be. And they have a fucking field day with it. Oh I'm glad. I'm glad you're familiar with it. My goodness, it's delightful to have you here. You're a real films expert. You're better than IMDB yourself. Yeah. Well, I just love all the weird connections. Like, especially when you look at these early 60s TV shows,
Starting point is 00:35:51 you just realize it was all just work back then. It was, who will hire me? I'm in. Like, nobody was thinking of what's gonna be the overall tenor of my career. They're like, I need to work this week. Who's hiring? I'm in.
Starting point is 00:36:04 I need to fall off a wagon. Yeah, I need. Not, you know, symbolic, but literally. Both ways. They foolishly didn't realize that 62 years later, people would be discussing their guest roles. Yeah. Well, it's just how I like it. We've got 17 minutes left to recap this episode.
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Starting point is 00:37:36 shoots a bucket next to her because he thinks it's funny that she's deaf. Yeah. And then he's courting her, by the way. This has been ongoing. This is how he courts her You think like oh, he just met her no He's known her and been in love with her and the way he courts her shoots objects near her really near her Yeah, this is a real pulling on the pulls or pulling on the pig tail Yeah, and pulling on the pigtails Pigtails and and she he grabbed this is the first of, I think, three or maybe even four times that it happens to this guy that he's about to make
Starting point is 00:38:08 the big move on this guy. And I'm talking, it's going to be rape. And he gets, every time somebody interrupts him, this poor, poor man, every time he's about to rape this deaf girl, somebody comes along and this time it's Joe Cartwright. He says, it's like, it's none of your business. If you bother Annie, I'm making my business, says Joe. Wet blanket.
Starting point is 00:38:29 Yep. Annie follows the herd in with the lambs and Joe rides up and that's her father. And her father basically says, oh, don't bother talking to her or being nice to her or anything. She is essentially an animal. Yeah. This is the father's view on his daughter is basically. So safe to say he's not had the birds and the bees talk with her. No. Oh, true enough.
Starting point is 00:38:53 I don't think he's had any talk with her. No, I guess you're right. And also because as he reveals later, she is my punishment. I'm being cursed by God with having this insanely beautiful, kindhearted woman, girl, as a daughter who happens to be deaf, but this is my punishment by God. But it was also his punishment because his wife died in childbirth, birthing her, so why is he being punished? It's this...
Starting point is 00:39:18 Yeah. This... He, uh, uh, all... Yeah, the way he puts it is she killed her mother in childbirth. I always like the way they puts it is she killed her mother in childbirth. I always like when they put it that way. He seems to be so religiously minded, but then there's that moment later in the episode when Joe looks at the Bible and says, you know, basically don't go by this, which I think was a pretty bold move for a television show at that age. Right.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Yeah. Well, not only that, but we go out of an important scene with a whiskey soaked Bible. I thought for sure a fire was gonna come out. Yeah, you don't spill whiskey in a Western unless it's gonna be lit on fire. Yeah, that's true. Chekhov's Daniels. And by the way, there's a nice, we're running theme.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Stella Stevens' character is deaf. Albert, the father is illiterate, can't read. And then Albert Stanley does that weird thing about how people don't like the way I smell. Oh yeah. They say I smell like rotted meat. Albert Stanley does that weird thing about how people don't like the way I smell. Oh yeah. They say I smell like rotted meat. Like he has some weird handy, something's wrong with the sweat glands or something.
Starting point is 00:40:11 Well, he is a, I believe he's a trapper. I think he's a fur trapper. Her senses of smell are heightened. True. Exactly. But he just has a problem. He can't find a girl cause he smells like dead animals. And that's, that's too bad. Who among us has not been there at a time.
Starting point is 00:40:24 And, or I mean, you're sitting in a room that we're burning scented candles in because something just recently died in the wall. Oh, that's true. That's why the windows are open. Joe gives her a doll, a rag doll, and she loves it and crutches it, clutches it to her bosom. Then Joe stays for dinner. And after dinner Sam, Oh, that's when we learn all about the killed mother. And then then I'm sorry for jumping around, but this no, it's good. Great. Joe and Annie frolic with sheep and the goof around with her reflection
Starting point is 00:40:53 in the water. Now, here's where I begin to start to get confused about one big question of this episode. We know that this girl Annie is deaf, but what else is going on? She is an adult person by appearance, but she at some point pretends to be a tree. That was, that's back when characters with disabilities were portrayed. A lot of times they would edge over into insanity because she pretends to be a tree or she just has these weird psycho stares where you're like, she's hard of, she's deaf, she's not insane.
Starting point is 00:41:28 So that was a little, yeah. But I think they considered them deaf and dumb back then so they would have never educated her. So what is she to do but mimic a tree? I think she appears to be of a childlike intellect. She's had no education. I suppose that's it. But now, and that ties into the moment
Starting point is 00:41:48 when she says, I love you, Joe, and Joe is scandalized and doesn't want anything to do with her, like you would with a child. If a child says, I love you, whoa! Get away from me! No! What is it about being with her from romantic ways that Joe is so scandalized by?
Starting point is 00:42:07 I don't quite know. Yeah, it's very weird. Either pure of heart or absolutely closeted as a gay man. Yep. Although at one point, Albert Salmi's character, Alvey says he's got that big ranch and all them women in town, like he implies that Joe gets around.
Starting point is 00:42:24 They always imply that. Yeah, the he's the big swordsman. He ain't never seen Butterfield. Every episode that he gets romantic he he never follows through he's always kind of like I can't I can't get. Oh so something's going on with little Joe. He's a big kisser he'll kiss a girl but then it never goes any further than them by all appearances. Especially if the woman has a beard. And we've seen that happen. That was a hell of a scene, man. That's right. That was in the Kearney episode.
Starting point is 00:42:52 Beautiful woman with a beard. Uncredited, by the way. Maybe we should put you on the case. You played the bearded woman on the answer. We could not get an answer. It's like the best performance ever on the show, and she's not in the credits. Anyways, all right, Albie can't get a girl, he smells too bad.
Starting point is 00:43:07 He explains that to the preacher. Might have just been Dennis Weaver. Oh, maybe. Now the preacher, man, he, I never thought of this. You're very religious, but you're illiterate. A preacher needs to come by and read the Bible to you every once in a while. Yeah. And while he rocks in a chair does the same problem.
Starting point is 00:43:25 With a blanket wrapped around him. With a blanket wrapped around him. All right, this is the second time that old Albie tries to get some action going with Annie and gets interrupted, this time by the preacher. Annie, by the way, she's playing with her doll and she plucks the eye out like George with the mouse. Exactly. Of Mison Min.
Starting point is 00:43:42 She's too simple-minded. So this is taken from Of M and men and the miracle worker. Yeah. Yeah. And she's got like minor Hulk strength. Yeah. As you would when you don't understand things, it beefs up your muscles. Just like Hawes. Exactly. Well, she goes in now. She steals money from her father's and he says, I warned you, never touch me money purse.
Starting point is 00:44:08 And that's the first indication he might be from Ireland. Yeah, that's a little strange. Yeah, he's either this old mountain man or don't touch me. It just, it's random. Maybe he's a retired leprechaun if he doesn't want him touching his gold. Oh, and that's why he has to hide up in the... Okay. Okay, that starts to come together.
Starting point is 00:44:29 He whips her palm with a cat-o-nine tails. Very strange punishment. And also very lightly. Like he's so not into it and then he gives up halfway through like, oh, I shouldn't be doing this. Yeah. Yeah. Well, now Joe rides up, he's come back from Placerville
Starting point is 00:44:46 and he has, this is huge, he brings along a book about sign language. He doesn't talk to a doctor in Placerville. And now he's gonna teach Annie all kinds of sign language. But Annie doesn't take to it. She thinks it's a game. She at some point really smells his fingers deeply. Mm.
Starting point is 00:45:04 I had some questions about that. What did she smell on those fingers? Well, it wasn't meat trapping, I think he probably perfumes himself with all kinds of oils and lavenders and stuff. It made her fall in love though, I'll tell you. Now this was, now here comes the second part, because this is the huge breakthrough now. There's thunder and lightning and rain, and she is not understanding the concept of sign language. And Joe puts his hand, her hand on his throat, and then her hand on the ground,
Starting point is 00:45:36 and it's a big breakthrough, but I didn't understand. Did you understand the nature of the breakthrough? Basically, they just did a fast-forward version of the miracle worker. Yeah, okay. What it took Annie to do in a couple months, Joe does it in an afternoon. Maybe he should have been helping Helen out because he could have gotten done way quicker. But the thing about the Helen killer was she was also blind and couldn't see so it had to be touched to help her understand something. I guess it's just the vibrations of everything
Starting point is 00:46:05 and the textures, but the vibrations of the thunder and then the vocal chords. Uh-huh, would help her understand what sign language is? This show is unassailable. I don't understand you. I know, I know. I was afraid that I missed something. I assume it's my own death. But then once she, but then her breakthrough
Starting point is 00:46:22 leads to her just running around in the rain, just with her arms out happy. Yeah. And Joe's happy too. And then boy, these are some performances in this scene. That, yeah, that scene got really intense. Altman got him acting. I ain't never seen acting on a show like this. He's almost crying. Yeah. Yeah. Well then now they're inside and they've dried off a bit and they're trying to tell old Sam all about these, what got her talking now with sign language and he's, he dismisses it as it's like Indian sign. And to which Joe says that's right, but better. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:51 It's better than what the. Acting like this and Spielberg directed that episode of club. Oh, you know. Oh yeah. With Jamie Lee Curtis as a waitress. He did two, right? Oh, I guess. I ain't seen that one down to Virginia city. Joe has persuaded Sam to bring Annie to a doctor down in Virginia City. However, she is nearly trampled to death by a wagon train because what she sees is dresses in a store.
Starting point is 00:47:14 But how does she not feel the vibrations of the earth and that? Oh, shit. And the smell of the whore, everything, yeah, that can't be louder. Because she's so distracted by the beauty of dresses. Yeah, it blanks out. Dresses actually, pretty dresses back then
Starting point is 00:47:29 could mute women's other senses. That's true. Yeah. Particularly when she's dressed like one of the humans from Planet of the Apes. Yeah. Which she pretty much treated like that in this episode. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:43 Do we have any Eloy costumes left over from the time machine? Put her in one of those. Yeah, that's what it or you know what? I'll bet you that was a costume from one of them, uh, lesbian prison movies. Yeah. They had plenty of them. I once got to see a prop from one of the Morlocks from time machine. Really?
Starting point is 00:48:01 And you could move aside his little tunic and he had a full on swing and D. Good Lord. Oh really? Yeah. Fantastic. Okay. Triple feature now. All right, it's, oh okay,
Starting point is 00:48:14 this is when the two assholes come out and they leap to the assumption, they don't even consider that this might be Sam's daughter, they leap to the assumption that Sam is up there in the mountains with a young bride. Why do they assume that? I don't know. It's...
Starting point is 00:48:28 Yeah, like they've seen him before. What... Although they are, again, they are evil parallel universe, Adam and Hoss. Right. They revert to the wrong way of thinking. Yeah, they're the evil versions. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:41 And they start... Yeah, they start pushing the old Sam Croft around. And luckily, Joe comes in just in the nick of time. I thought somebody's going to get shot for sure. Nobody gets shot. You know what? In this whole episode, nobody gets shot. Wow. It never happens. No, you're right. But they got scared off by Joe. Two against one and one of them's giant, but Joe scared them all. Cause he means business. Now we got Joe going back to talk to his paw who advises him to leave well enough alone.
Starting point is 00:49:05 This is, he gives two completely contradictory pieces of advice in two scenes. This one he says, sometimes helping looks like meddling. And Joe says, don't worry, paw, I know the difference. That's contradicted by 44 episodes up to now. They do quite a bit of getting in other people's business. Albie is looking for Sam. Okay, oh, is this the scene?
Starting point is 00:49:30 Is this the scene where he, yeah, where do we, no, this isn't the scene where we see things. What happens in this episode that's a true directorial touch is we have a sort of a, the camera goes soft focus, and then it becomes the point of view of Annie while Albie's advancing on her and trying to rape her. And you don't hear in the dialogue because she's deaf. And the lens is warped.
Starting point is 00:49:54 Oh, is that right? There's a weird warp to the lens or something. Yeah, it looks very strange. So that's the first moment where you say, hey, this director might go on to make the shittiest Western of all time. But a pretty good Popeye. But a good Popeye. moment where you say, Hey, this director might go on to make the shittiest Western of all time. But a pretty good Popeye. Yeah, good Popeye. But okay, I'm lost track as often do around this part of the episode, but it comes down to- So does the episode at this part. Usually they don't really
Starting point is 00:50:17 know what to do with the people. They're like, let's just get to the end now. It's like 35 to 45 minute that 10 minute piece of the episode is often a bit walk away, but say, Oh, Albie decides he's going to murder Sam and make it look like an accident by pushing them off a cliffside. And then he's going to move in and take care of. And as he says, I'm going to be a hero because you'll die and I'll take care of your daughter. Yeah, that's all he wants is to be a hero.
Starting point is 00:50:46 So he pushes Sam Croft off the thing, Sam falls down, not for sure he's dead, but I guess not. Well, and bounces off the springiest sage brush I've ever seen. And makes a real effort so that we'd never see his face. You notice that? Really. He covers it up with his arms
Starting point is 00:51:01 and then rolls over onto his stomach. Yeah, impressive. Yeah. That's just ego-less acting. It really is. Yeah. Yeah. But now Joe's back at the Ponderosa and now Pa says, Hey, he says, Hey, you can't shove somebody into the water and not wait around to see if they can swim. You got to see this thing through. You taught her to start talking. Now you got to see it all the way through. To what end? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. But I guess what I skipped in here somewhere is where she says, I love you. And he scandalized and runs away. And then runs away back to dad who goes, no, you're, you still have three more scenes to shoot in this episode. Get, get, grab something
Starting point is 00:51:39 from crafty and get back there. Get a cup of coffee. Yeah. I'm going to be out of here by lunch. Yeah. Get a couple of rice cakes. No, you did not have goddamn rice cakes. No, they did not. No, they had just cakes. Yeah, they had cakes. And if they want, yeah, if they wanted to make a sandwich, they made it with Wonderbread. So, Oh Albie says at some point to Annie, he says, I'm going to teach you more than Joe Cartwright ever did. There's some menace in there. Joe finds Annie in the hills.
Starting point is 00:52:10 Albie comes along and attacks Joe. This was a good brawl, wasn't it? Yeah, good little, yeah, top of the rocks brawl. Yeah, yeah, it was a good one. And old Albie. Albie does his own fog. Yeah, he really does. The actor did, huh?
Starting point is 00:52:23 Yeah, he did. He got a little cocky. He got knocked out cold, and then he pulls out a knife, and then he decides, I know I'm on the edge of a cliff, but I'm gonna do a big, sweeping knife gesture that's either gonna kill this man or me. Yeah, the inertia and follow through from his knife stab take him over a cliff.
Starting point is 00:52:40 That's how angry this guy is. He stabs himself into the infinite. All because Joe ducked. If Joe hadn't ducked, it would have been the end of Joe. Yep. Yep. That's it. Well, in the end of the episode now, what do we got? We got, the doctor says that Sam's gonna be okay. But he needs tending to. He doesn't need tending to. And this is a beautiful moment where the old man Sam, he learns the sign language word for daughter. Not love, not love, I thought it might be love. Yeah, that's what I was waiting for.
Starting point is 00:53:11 He's not gonna tell her, I love you, but he is gonna say, I finally accept that you're not an animal. Right. Hey. Baby steps. You are a human being. Baby steps.
Starting point is 00:53:21 You are. We do? Yeah. We are in the same phylum. I will say that. Although that's when he looks over at Joe and goes, hey, this is easy. That kind of got to me.
Starting point is 00:53:33 Oh yeah. That kind of get me like, ah, damn it. You got me, Bonanza. They always do that. No, this is- The sign language is easy. Now as Mutt Taylor, I've been affected emotionally by every single episode of this.
Starting point is 00:53:45 Oh, I would imagine. Certainly, yes. But I was watching with my friend, Matt Gourley, and he told me, he says, this one actually moved me a little bit. Yeah. That last scene got me. Joe brought that family together, he really did.
Starting point is 00:53:56 Yeah, he did. And you get the feeling, old Sam Croft is gonna learn sign language and maybe even learn to read his own, it's a whiskey soaked Bible, so the preacher doesn't have to come by anymore. Oh, next thing you know, she'll learn to read. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:07 He'll read her stories, she won't hear him. A man will crash down in a spaceship from the past and he'll be able to talk and he'll defeat them damned apes. Well, this was a damn fine episode. I'm sorry to say after this one, we only have 386 episodes of Bonanza Lift. That's all they made? They made 431 altogether. And we've-
Starting point is 00:54:29 The best shows always end. They always end shortly. Yeah, they just end way too soon. They lived a morning a whole lot more. Oh boy, yeah. But- I wish they'd added a little scene at the end, just a one shot of all the animals
Starting point is 00:54:43 that Alvy used to to trap doing like a little Ewok dance like now that the trappers dead all just like they're all happy that would be cute that would have been beautiful playing drums on a stormtrooper head yeah or on his skull like his freshly bleached skull and they're just you know banging on it and then all the beautiful women who've died in the first 44 episode of Bonanza can appear in the, translucent Lee in the stars and smile down on him. Yeah. It would have been nice. Yeah. Oh my God. Annie survives. Right. She doesn't get killed. She survives. However, you may notice she is never in another
Starting point is 00:55:18 episode of this show. She's living there with her father, doing great with sign language, but never seen again. Joe seems to always be going by here, and then never again and never before. Right. Yeah. There's a hot girl up in those mountains. Yeah. Forget it, she once told me she loved me
Starting point is 00:55:34 and gave me a flower, I ain't going that way again. Also, I do love that when the father goes searching for Annie at the end before Alvy confronts him and knocks him off the cliff, he's yelling Annie. Like, we have way established that she's deaf. But he's still, Annie! Like, guy, really? You don't need to do that. I think he's the one that doesn't understand some things.
Starting point is 00:55:54 He must have figured she's willfully not here now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Now that it matters, she'll perk up. Well, all right, that's an episode of Bananas for Bananza and Bananza. Do you have anything you wanna plug, old Pat and I boy? Well, I got a new graphic novel. Oh, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:56:12 Dark Horse Comics has collected the first four issues of me and my friend Jordan Blum's comic, Minor Threats. Oh my God. Which is about low-level D-list supervillains having to fight an A-list supervillain to get some credit in the favor bank with the A-list heroes and it's gritty superhero noir, lot of fun. Where can people get it?
Starting point is 00:56:34 You can get, well, at any local comic book store, any bookstore's gonna carry it. You can also order it online, go to darkhorse.com. Minor threats, first four issues, trade paperback. I love it's dark horse. I was a dark horse reader back in the eighties. Oh boy. Dark horse is fantastic.
Starting point is 00:56:50 I'm a big fan of anything involving horses. It sounds like this is all about horses. You know what? It, it, as far as you know, it is. All right. You should go grab it. Let's pick up, uh, Patton's horse book. Uh, and all right, that's an episode.
Starting point is 00:57:03 Let's try our brand new sign off. All right. You remember it? I think I go first. Right? Yeah, I think so. Okay. I do this. I say, that's an episode. Let's try our brand new sign off. All right. You remember it? I think I go first. Right? Yeah, I think so. Okay. I do this.
Starting point is 00:57:11 I say now get by now. Bananas for Bonanza is brought to you by Andy Daly with Maria Bamper and Matt Gourley. Themed song by Matt Gourley with The Journey, which in this case are Mark McConville, Daniel Michikov, and Wade Wright. Bananas for Bananza is mixed and edited by Mark McConville. Executive produced by Andy Daly and Matt Gourley. We'll see you around.

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