Bonanas for Bonanza - Bonanas For Bonanza Episode #49: “The Spitfire”

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

Subscribe to The Andy Daly Podcast Project at Patreon.com/AndyDaly Dalton and Mutt welcome professional background actor Shoe Griffin to get a show biz insider’s point of view on Bonanza Season 2, episode 17 - “The Spitfire”. Three women have speaking roles in this episode of Bonanza and none of them die, but one of them is nearly drowned in the bathing process. Featuring Matt Gourley and Drew TarverMerch: redbubble.com/people/ADPodProject/shopMail: PO Box 9407 Glendale, CA 91226Email: [e-mail]’s website: andydaly.comRecord date: 10/5/2023 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Oh, yeah. Welcome to bananas for bananas. Hello, friend. Come on in. The gate is open wide. I very often forget to do by opening lines, but I did it this time. We're doing Bananas for Bonanza, episode 49, talking about season two, episode 17, the Spitfire.

And we got a very special guest with us today. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome a fine fella, indeed, Shue Griffin. Hey, thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited to be here. Good to see y'all. Dang, look at us in here. God, look at us.

We're three real goddamn, tell us about yourself, Chew. I'm envious of your mustache. I had to shave mine because I had an incident whereupon I have been accused of stealing dozens of horses. Oh yeah. You've been, you've been under investigation for a horse theft. Yeah. From the Burbank Equestrian Center. I didn't steal them. I set them free

so as I could steal one of them. Right, right, right. My pictures all around here. Anyways, tell us about yourself, Shue. My name is Shue Griffin. I grew up right outside of Savannah, Georgia. And yeah, I'm very excited to be here. I really appreciate y'all having me on because I am an actor.

I am a background actor. Oh, yeah. She's this and you, they told your people says you're one of the best. Hey, listen, I, my people have been changing constantly because they are dropping me. Uh, my, my agent, my background agent does, they, I have been switching around. Why is she, why are they dropping? Well, they say there's a lot. I am a problem on set.

I, I, I, Well, your current people speak very highly. They do. They do. Yeah. That's that. They don't know me very well. Yeah.

Um, so that's nice, but I am a background actor on Yellowstone. Oh, Yellowstone. Wow. Now, we have a real beef with the show Deadwood, but Yellowstone, I mean, I think that's fair game. I think it's okay. Yeah. Well, as long as nobody gets a popular podcast going about Yellowstone. Yeah, or tries to compare it to Bonanza. As long as it understands its place, it's okay with us. Yeah, to me, it's a nice show, but it ain't no Bonanza to me. But yeah, so I'm a background, and I don't know if y'all know about this show, but they like to make sure that the people in the background and the people even on the show are legit cowboys.

So they make sure it's authentic back there in the background. That's right. Because, uh, uh, Kelly Riley from the British Isles is one of the most authentic cowboys. They got a goddamn European in this show. I think they got, maybe more than one. I don't know. What is going on?

Wes Bentley. So you telling me somebody's changing their voice when the Macs is changing their voice? You didn't hear from me, Shoo. Dang. I don't care for me, Shoo. Dang. I don't care for that, goddamn. Stay in your own company. Stay in your thing. Yeah, man.

It's obviously easier for British people to do American than American people to do British. Well, I'll do my best. I'll make an attempt to do British. What should I say? Go around. Yeah. Tut tut, Governor. I'm having a curry at the weekend.

That's good. Hey, I say you oldie boy, cheerios, tut cuckoo puffs. That's it. Look over here, that's a cab that's different than our cabs. That was good, you're an actor. I was pretty convinced by that. You should be in the foreground, not just the background. I know, I have been inching my way up in a lot of the scenes. I do get up a little bit closer,

but unfortunately, I have been a problem on set sometimes. What's that mean? How so? You know, I got in a fight with a pig. Now, are they asking for real cowboys or not? Because if they are, they're going to be problems on set. Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, you got this pig acting up. I'm gonna handle this pig and I'm gonna tell it what it's doing wrong. What was the pig doing?

Looking at my wife. Fuck me. Are you kidding me? Holy shit. Yeah. You're goddamn right. You're gonna get in there with that pig. How do you ask you that though? Was your wife looking back? Listen, my wife is Polly.

Okay. Polly, oh, is her name Polly? What, no, her name is Susan. Oh, okay. But she is Polly Amorous. Oh, oh. And I, now I get it. Whoa, boy.

But I don't think, she don't like her pigs. Right, right. But the pig was being crazy. And a lot of people said the pig just happened. Your wife was standing near the pig's food. Oh, sure. So I don't think, but. So you might have jumped the gun.

I jumped the gun. No, but I've heard that one before. Like, you know, oh, he's your wife was just standing near the, that fella's food and the bar, you know, or whatever. People try to pull that one all the time. Exactly. What am I supposed to do? Keep my wife away from anybody's food? If she didn't want it so bad, why is she standing next to that pig's food? Yeah, because your wife's food has been at a lot of men's house around town. That's true. I got some here.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's all out of the picture now, but I've been, I know what you mean. I've been married to some ladies that have spent some time near other people's food. That's the truth.

Can't lie about that. I can't tell if we're doing a euphemism or not. I've lost my place as well. All right. So you done fought lost my place as well. Um, all right. So you done fought one pig. Big deal. Yes. Yes.

Uh, that ain't no big deal. I, uh, I was served. Uh, yeah. You mean like in a dance off or something like that? Isn't that what they do? The Jabberwockies absolutely destroyed me in the background of a Yellowstone. Oh, well you're in the middle of a Western and you got a dance crew challenging you to a dance off.

Well, I had been pretty active on their social media, heckling their new routines that they do in Vegas. And they found me and I was in the background of a scene. I was supposed to be taking some shoes off of a horse and the Jabberwockies walk in and absolutely destroy me. A dance circle. Come on now. I know I don't even have my crew. It's a good old cowboy break dancing crew, right? Oh yeah. We throw down a piece of plywood and we absolutely go. Oh, it is rough.

It is the cheapest plywood. It chips off most of its plastic. I don't even know. The crew is called the splinters, right? That's right. Cause normally I think it's cardboard, but you guys put plywood down? Rough here.

We are putting contractor grade plywood down. Oh my God. That's a win right there. And yeah, my boys are, uh, you know how you can get, uh, when you get rust on you, you can get that disease. Oh, what's that? Tetanus. They got, all of my boys got wood tetanus from just old names from, yeah, just, just going around on this contractor grade plywood, tetanus. They got wood tetanus. So yeah, we were, I was humiliated back there. The scene was ruined and I did have to switch agents after that.

Okay, well that'll happen. I don't mean to come between a man and his mustache, but it's gently cocked right now. It is. Winking at me and I'm starting to think your mustache is a little poly. Listen, my mustache has been known to go out for the weekend. Oh yeah. And come back and, but my mustache and I, we have an agreement. As long as my mustache says at the top of the weekend, hey, I'm thinking about going home and having sex with this trash stash or having sex with this Kool-A stash or having sex with this Kool-Aid mustache or having sex with... Kool-Aid mustache.

You mean like on the picture of Kool-Aid, that fella doesn't have a curly little mustache, doesn't he? A flavor saver, a Slippin' Hitler. Oh, uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. I mean, some people say, you know, when you drink a lot of Kool-Aid and you get the pink upper lip, that's what they call a Kool-Aid mustache. Oh, is that what they do?

But I am talking about the Kool-Aid man's mustache. I seem to think he has a bit of a curly mustache on him. I think he does. I'm not sure. Yeah, kind of like a Guy Fawkes, you know? Yeah, if you're gonna be busting through walls like that, you better have some facial hair. Yeah.

I'm correct, you better have some facial hair. God damn right. That's a bold move. Hey, hey, hey, wait, that's Fat Albert. That's Fat Albert. We don't talk about Fat Albert anymore. What does he say? He goes, oh yeah. Hey you guys. Oh yeah, not hey you guys. Grass bang boom bang. That's fat Albert. We don't talk about fat Albert anymore. What does he say? He goes, oh yeah.

Hey you guys. Oh yeah, not hey you guys. Grass bang boom bang. Grass bang boom bang. Who's hey you guys? That's Goonies. Hey you guys. Oh, Sloth.

Yeah, that's Sloth. Oh, that's right, but he's doing that from Electric Company. Oh, you're right. Oh, you're right, because he's watching it at the beginning, you're right. So it is the source material. We're getting to the bottom of a lot of things. Yeah, we are. Our minds are sharp today, I tell you. Dang it is the source material. We're getting to the bottom of a lot of things. Yeah, we are.

Our minds are sharp today. I tell you what we're fucking around. We know our references. We really do. So now we're gonna talk about this episode. Yes, I love this episode. I tell you what, I don't really pay too much attention to what the background people's doing

and when I watch the episode. But you must, I guess you're in the business. I was taking stock of what was going on back there. And I was really surprised by how professional they were being. They were not distracting from the scene that was happening. Interesting. That lady who was whipping people.

Because if I would have been in that scene, I would have got whipped. I would have absolutely. Well, okay, let's try to imagine you're on the set of this episode of Bonanza. We got Ma Hode and she, this is a woman who will talk about it, but she sort of communicates with her whip.

That's how she tells people I have arrived at your home. Yeah. It's a bit of a hear you hear you. Yeah, she speaks with a whip. She lets the whip do the talking. Absolutely. And so if you're in a scene with her now and you're standing back there and she's taking out her whip and doing her business, her lines from the script, what are

you, what are you going to do? Well, you know, I am, if I'm not dealing with some litigation in the background, you know, being, I have been divorced in the back of a scene. Served divorce papers are the actual proceedings. The entire process, the beginning of the argument. The this is this has been a pattern. I'm done. I've been meaning to do this for a long time into the serving,

into a quick hasty trial. Oh man. All of this within a scene or the full arc of a series. This was over a series. This was over a series. So you can watch like season one of Yellowstone. We see you back there. Happy as a clan. Happy as a clan with your poly wife. Yes.

And then by the end of the season, you're settling up accounts. Yeah. I have split up our assets. I've done all kind of stuff. I've really gone into it. I knew I recognized you because you was just thin and bright and cherubic as it could be the first season. Then you got a lot of drinking weight on.

I was really puffed up with some water weight there by the end of season one. Um, but I, you know, I would have, I mean, who knows what would have happened to me back there, but you know, I probably, you know, if there's any animals around, they'll usually fight me. They'll come at me. A rooster will come at me, try to get my leg. Um, something about me, the animals know I'm a bad guy or think I'm a bad guy.

About people having punchable faces, but I don't think that's the case. But I'm just a human. Maybe the animals got some kind of sign they're getting. They can see. You know how dogs can hear stuff we can't hear? They can smell cancer. They can see. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, hey, wait a minute. What if all these animals are trying to tell you you got a serious illness? can hear stuff we can't hear. They can smell cancer. Exactly, yeah. Hey, wait a minute, what if all these animals are trying to tell you you got a serious illness?

Tepness. What if that's all they're trying to do? I have not been to, I do see animals around me trying to talk to each other and trying to write a note. Oh, a bear will do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to write a note and show it to me. And they can't figure out how to write our alphabet.

But I have not been feeling very good at all lately. So it could be that they are trying to desperately tell me. You're just now putting that together that they have been trying to write you a letter and you are not at all curious what that could have been. You are like, what's the opposite of Dr. Doolittle? Dr. Patient. Dr. Dolittle? Oh, patient, very busy. Doctor very busy. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, yeah, lawyer very busy. Lawyer very busy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the opposite of a doctor, right? Patient, don't beg. Patient, what? Don't beg. Don't beg? Okay.

Dolittle, yeah, don't beg. Patient, don't beg. I'm pretty much a patient, don't beg. Oh, Don't be patient. Don't be. I'm pretty much impatient. Don't be. And I have not been putting that together. So maybe it is, maybe I am near death, but I was so, I was so traumatized by being such a handful on the first season, getting a divorce in the background that I tried to make sure that I was on my best behavior in the second season. Don't let animals talk to you. Ignore if you're feeling bad at most times of the day, feeling sick, your guts hurting. Just get to work, be ready.

You're trying to be just a reliable piece of the machinery of the episode. Yeah. I just want to show up and be a good actor back there in the background and change the shoes off of the horses. It's been going okay or what? Yeah, I mean, it's been good lately for me there. I've been okay. But yeah, I do feel like at any moment something bad is going to happen to me in the background. I was, uh, aliens did visit me real quick in the background. We're talking about space aliens. Now that again, it just seems like you're burying the headlines.

Yeah. I said, I said, I, everything has been good. And then I said, aliens did visit me. So that, that was, it has been a huge part of this season. Me being, Holy shit. What season are we Where Yellowstone is this now? We got at least being four. I guess so. I mean, I think it is watched by 30 billion people at this point. Something like that.

Yeah. Does it all take place in Yellowstone National Park? Is that what it is? From what I gathered, I don't read the scripts. I just show up there and get tinkered with. Is it shot on location? Yes, yes, Yes. So I travel up there and I stay, I stay in my truck. Okay. Yeah. I got me a little bed cover and I stay in that. And we, yeah, we, we do that there up

in Yellowstone, which I know what state that's in. Sure. Me too. That must be unusual to see a space alien up there. I guess. I couldn't tell you what state it's in, but I know it's on Paramount plus and CBS. Yes, it is. It is a Paramount parent company. Uh, yeah.

Maybe even MTV studios. Well, anything can happen in this crazy world of ours. But the aliens do, uh, they, they want, uh, information from my body, it seems like, so they have also been dressing up as cow, uh, boys in the background to not be seen and they'll come on and tinker around with me in the background. You guys have a lot in common. This doesn't surprise me at all. You have the same sort of relationship with monsters and you know, the, the naked eye of any passerby might not see it, but this guy's got a second sight.

Oh yeah. Not so much as to be supernatural. Certainly. No, no, I've just had it. I'm able to discern when somebody who appears to everybody else just to be a regular fella is actually a vampire or Frankenstein or something like that. And I dispatch with them right quick. But it sounds like number one, I want to point out,

none of the things you've mentioned so far that are getting you in trouble on the set is something you're doing, it's all happening to you, man. That is true. That ain't your damn fault. That's what my therapist says. Uh-huh. That is exactly what my therapist says.

And number two, now you got aliens coming to you in a wardrobe like they're an extra or something like that? Yeah, and they can be in a horse, they can be in a, they can be in an extra, one of them was a tire on a truck. I'll ask a quick question, if they're dressed as a horse, is it like when humans dress as a horse, or one's the back and one's the?

It's actually worse, worse hidden than when humans dresses a horse. Oh, really? Yeah. The back, the back legs are so little. Oh, that's just the smallest alien. And I'm like, y'all, come on, at least get it. I see y'all in the ship. There are you guys that are the same height. The least you could do is. Well, they probably don't even have horses on their damn planet. So they come down here now they're trying to disguise themselves as all kinds of things.

They don't know. They don't know. They move. They'll move inside of a horse. They probably only got tauntauns. You know what I mean? Yeah, right. Yep.

Yep. Stupid fucking aliens. They are dumb. So what do you do back there? You're, they say action and a alien presents himself to you as let's say, let's say a car tire. Right. Yep.

Uh-huh. And you've been told, you know, carry this bucket from this side to that side or whatever. Yep. Right? Now, what are you going to do? That's literally what I have to do in every scene. They go, carry that bucket from there to there. You're the bucket guy.

I'm bucket guy. Okay. All right. I'm always bucket guy. And usually, you know, I pick up, they say action. I pick up the bucket, I'm starting to walk, and then, hey, I see you. Oh, you say it to the tire. No, no, no, the tire says it to me.

The tire says it to you. The tire says, hey, I see you. And I'm like, god damn, that's an alien for sure. And then they say, after this next take, we gonna need to look, we gonna need to look at your body. To give you a fair warning, I mean, that's more than I'd expect. Yeah, they say, we gonna need to look after this next take when they set up, when they go in for coverage,

we gonna need to look. Sounds like these aliens know a little bit about how the business works, when they go in for coverage. They know a lot. And sometimes they'll be like, it looks like rain tomorrow. So that scene's going to get changed to an indoor scene. So while they scramble, we gonna need to look. Sounds like Kevin Costner's contract negotiations are in deep shit.

Yeah. They're going to be focusing on some Kelly Riley or Wes Bentley. Absolutely. They are. They are. There's no way they're going to finish this before lunch. We're coming back to this. Right? That's that kind of alien. It's like, we're all pretty industry savvy as well. And we all know, we all know these things. Sure. But yeah, and I mean, it's pretty simple.

You know, they don't really even go inside of me, like the classic whatever. They are probing you in the butt. They just want to look. Outpatient stuff. Yeah. Honestly, it feels like they're checking my moles for irregular borders.

It feels like a little bit. Oh, that's kind of helpful. And they're writing stuff down. They're pretty respectful, but it's stressing me out. But do you ever get dinged for like exposing yourself, taking your pants down and whatnot? Luckily, I will go back behind a barn. I'll let them look. They'll be writing stuff down and then I can put my clothes back on

and get back in the scene. Okay. Are they still appearing as a tire when they're doing this? They'll shape shift into people with- That's a real problem. People don't talk enough about shape shifting as a problem. No, they don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It is a problem. It's a problem. All right, so they'll shape shift into something that can take a note. All right. Yeah. And your moles are okay? Yeah, they told me they did remove one little piece and send it off, but it was fine.

Wow, an interstellar biopsy. Yeah, yeah, they said it was benign. Okay. So that was really good for me. Well, that's good looking out by them, Al. Yeah, it was really good, yeah. My word. Well, I mean, there's so much to get to in this episode,

but there's so much to get to about our friend here, Shue Griffin, that I hate to move on to the business. No, please. But I guess we got to. We got to. But it's wonderful to have you here. You sound like a man after my own heart. And I know you're going to have some good insights on everything we're talking about here today.

In this episode of The Spitfire, we've got comedy, drama, gunfighting, three women with speaking parts. That is unprecedented on this show. And not a one of them dies. Not one of them dies. And one of them seems like she might be upstairs at the Cartwright house this whole time and we never seen her before. Mrs. Shaughnessy, she seems like she's a part of the household, but that character's never been on the show before. Is that true? Wow. Wow. And oh, by the way, never will be again. I'll look.

Okay. All right. I always talk about what was going on when this episode aired. It aired on January the 14th of 1961 is when it first aired. The number one movie in the country is still Spartacus. I still ain't seen it. And I don't think I'm going to. The number one country song was still North to Alaska by Johnny Horton, who again, was dead by the time his song hit number one, this fella. He was married to Hank Williams senior's wife. And so she buried two country singers, this woman did. But someone recently told me that the movie you're cheating heart, starring George Hamilton as Hank Williams senior did get made over Billie Jean's objections. We talked about this last time.

We're going to have to watch you're cheating heart starring George Hamilton as Hank Williams senior. All right. Number one song in the country, the King Elvis Presley was dethroned by who else but Burt Kempfert. Burt Kempfert's got the mad hits. You try to match wits, you try to hold me, but you bust through. That Burt Kempfert? That's the one. I guess.

This song is Wonderland by Night. He wrote the music for Strangers in the Night and Donka Shame. Burke Camford was born in Hamburger, Germany where he received his lifelong nickname of Phipps. Not Hamburg, Hamburger. Actually, it does say Hamburger. I assume that was a typographical. Gotta be Hamburger.

Phipps. They called him Phipps, lifelong. I've taken some time to listen to some Burke Camford music. You have? I have. Why have you done this? I think I was going down a cut. Now actually when I say I, I have this friend his name Matt Gourland. Oh we've heard about him a time or two. He's gone down some rabbit holes of cool and smooth jazz lounge music from the 60s. Turns out at the end of that rabbit hole is Bert Kamford where you have reached the singularity. Oh really? Even a step past Lawrence Welk. Wow. Turns out at the end of that rabbit hole is Burt Kampert where you have reached the singularity.

Oh really? Even step past Lawrence Welk. Wow. Well, here's something you might not know. He served as a bandsman in the German Navy during World War II, oh dear. We don't like to hear about that stuff. Yeah, yeah.

That is tough. He's playing songs on you boats, oh dear. Didn't he end up in Canada at some point, is that why? Maybe, but hey, wait a minute, he redeemed himself by discovering the Beatles in Hamburger, Germany. Yeah, he hired them to play backing tracks on My Bonnie, Lies Over the Ocean, somebody else's song. Wow.

That's on the anthology album. He's the first guy to hire them to do any damn thing in a studio. Wow. Damn. That's something the anthology album. He's the first guy to hire them to do any damn thing in a studio. Wow. Damn. That's something? That is something. He does have the mad heads.

He likes to match wits and gotta hold him the real bust through. Is that from a wish you- It's been one week since you looked at me. They mentioned Brooke Kenford in that song. With great aplomb. Really? Yeah.

I'm surprised. That's a shocking thing I learned today. From the same song that brings you chickadee china and name-dropping the Harrison Ford film frantic? Oh yeah. You can't be too surprised. I guess not. They talk about doing it doggy style so they can both watch X-Files. That's part of that. Oh that's right. Yeah that is right. Doggy style? That's what they say so they can both watch X-Files. Watching X-Files with the lights on where Dan LeMay's right. Yeah. That is right. Doggy style? That's what they say. So they can both watch X-Files. Watching X-Files with the lights on,

where Dan LeMay's on. I hope the smoking man's in this one. Uh, well, I don't believe I could have made that up. You're right. I'd love to hear your version. No, I'm sure that's in there. God damn Google it. We'll get to the bottom of this.

OK. Celebrity birthdays. Guess who was born on January the 14th, 1961. You might guess it, because this guy is on top of mind, probably for everybody. We sometimes have a hard time finding good celebrities that were born on that era, but this time.

61. Should I just tell you? Yeah. Tell us it's Mike Tramp, Danish heavy metal rocker and lead singer of white lion. Okay. Really topical moment right now. He's also a nine 11 truth or now he claims to have 250 books on the subject.

He didn't claim to read it them, but he does say he has them. He has 250 bucks on that. On the 911s. Wow. Could it be this? There are 250 bucks on that? That's what Mike Tramp says. On what?

How do so many lunatics write stuff? How do they know how to write? I know. Uh-huh. I mean, I am curious that, you know, that jet fuel can't burn on its own. That's what Mike Tramp says. Listen, if they're 250 books, maybe they write. I know. That's a lot of books. There's only one Bible and we're supposed to believe that's a trade. That's a good point. Ain't 250 Bibles.

You make a real good point. What if there were 250 Bibles? They just keep redoing it every year? I guess there's a bunch of versions of it. The King James did it and then the new King James. This here with a forward by Dan Brown. I'd like to read that. You can't find the thing about Doggy's Tale in X-Files. I'm telling you, in the X-Files part, is that what you're talking about? There's nothing there for it. Maybe what you're getting at here is, yes, man, one week since you looked at me,

threw your arms in the air and said you're crazy, five days since you tackled me, I still got the rug burns on both my knees. I think I'm thinking of a different song about a whole different thing. I think it's gotta be another song around that same time about doggy style. I'm gonna find out what it is.

This is very tangential to Bonanza. I was really worried that I had somehow a gap in my bare naked ladies. Everything's going to be fine. That scared the shit out of me. Omitting the doggy style part. Uh-huh. I mean, I may be an outlaw firebrand country musician, but if you told me, I didn't know everything about bare naked ladies.

I'm thinking about a song by the Bloodhound Gang. Same thing. The Bad Touchound Gang. Same thing. The Bad Touch. Yes. We'll do it doggy style so we can both watch X-Files. Wow. There's a romance to that. Yeah, it's quite beautiful.

All right, back to Whiteline. Whiteline, the thumbnail, that's what they call it, right, for their hit single, When the Children Cry, I got a kick out of it. What's that face? It's Mary Holland in character. That's Mary Holland for sure. She looks ridiculous, but I think I might subject you to the music video as much as we can stand for their first single,

which is called Wait, because it is, I think, the perfect example of whatever it is that it is. If that makes any sense. Some way we should do a survivor-like challenge where who can last the longest watching a white snake video. Well, this is white lion. That's very different from white snake. I'm sure. All right. This is their big song. Beautiful. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

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Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Some say 12 strings too many on that guitar. Look at that jacket. That is Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat there. Oh, hello. Uh oh, introducing a storyline here. Hello, I'm Demi Liss. Alright, that's all I can tell you. Nice little wedding venue All right. That's all I can say. Nice little wedding venue they got for the performance part.

That's right. They had to hurry up and shoot that because the Kinsen Yaro was being assembled. Well, that's 1985 for you. I don't know what else to tell you about this. Talking about sloth. That was, yep. Was that it? Was that a year? Alright, some fun facts about people in the cast of this episode.

I'm going to try to get through these fast I can, but I found a lot of interesting things. I'm sorry to say I found a lot of interesting things. Alright, well, Ma Hode was played by Catherine Warren. She's just a New York stage actress who moved to LA because of her husband's health. You don't hear about that so much anymore. Doctors telling people you got to move. Yeah, for the dry climate down to Arizona or California. You're right.

It's been a while. You're right. That's bad. This humidity is bad for your feet. You need to go. Yeah. I mean, I think it's been a long time since I met somebody who said, my doctor told me I needed to move. They're going to lose business. That's how good a doctor they are. How honest.

Yeah. But that's the only reason she came to Hollywood. And then she did eight episodes of the Schlitz Playhouse of Stars. That's a lot of episodes of that. And then let me just tell you the titles of some of her movies. Talk about a stranger. This woman is dangerous and three guys named Mike. Can you imagine that? Of course you're going to make a movie.

Yeah. Guys named Mike. If they're in the same room, start filming. Yeah. Stop. I don't have it. You'll never get a chance like that again. Then we got Willa, Willa Holt, who's the wild woman in this episode.

Is she the Spitfire? Spitfire. The titular Spitfire. The titular Spitfire. She's a woman by the name of Anita Sands. The Spitular Titfire. She's the one that gets slapped within five seconds of the episode starting by her dad. Yeah, I had to rewind that multiple times.

Number one to say, did she really just get slapped? And number two to go, now what for? And then minutes later gets punched by Michael Landon. Yeah. It's absolutely destroyed within the first five minutes. But she don't seem to mind. No, slapped by a man in maybe a fake beard, but definitely fake eyebrows.

And I don't know why. Oh, 100%. Why would they do that? I don't know why. Maybe he didn't have eyebrows. Well, she quit acting in 1963, and ever since then she has been a Hollywood astrologer to the stars and self-help guru, Anita Sands has. She co-owned the bizarre folklorico shop with Master Jules in the 1960s.

And after his death, she transcribed 20 of his lectures and helps maintain a website dedicated to him, which we'll visit in a moment. But first I'd like to tell you that my favorite line from the trivia section of her page on IMDb is claims to have coined the term gal pals. Wow. That is huge. Isn't that wild? Gal pals.

If you can go out there into the world and say, I coined the term gal pal. Well, this is her website for master jewels. Oh, no. She does a fine job with it. What's her name? Anita Sands. Even better than saying you coined the phrase gal pals is next time someone use it goes, Hey, I know who coined that phrase.

I mean, I have, I did. I have never seen a website that screams Geo cities like this. It's just, Just this, just. It's late nineties, early two thousands. Look at the color changes within word. Yeah. Above. Yeah.

Not just word by word, but within words. Wow. She's still out there. She's, uh, she's in her eighties. Do not approach. Do not. That's good advice. She's on, uh, X.com and she x.com and she seems to be not entirely well.

She's got some thoughts on joint pain and Pope Francis being a Nazi. It's easy. It's clearly to solve your joint pain, you just need to move 2,000 miles away from your house. That's what you got to do. That's right. One of 250 books about 9-11. Yeah, she's not doing great. But anyway, she's still alive, which is more than I can say for anybody else in this episode. Including Jack Elam. Is that how you say it? He plays Dodie Hode.

This guy now, he lost his eye. When he was 11 years old, he got into a scrap with another boy who, as he says, put a pencil through my eye. Yeah, damn. That's a scrap, I'll tell you. That's two wild 11-year-olds, right? I'll tell you, no shit. They was at a Boy Scout meeting.

But ever since then, his one eye, you might have noticed in this episode, it just looks this way while his other eye is doing all the work. Now he was a very successful Hollywood accountant. He had a leading independent auditor in motion pictures, but he had to quit his passionate job of being an accountant to go into acting because his one good eye wasn't working. His doctor said, you need to quit immediately or you will go blind. Now that's something too you don't hear too often. When's the last time somebody said, my doctor told me I needed to quit my job. My accountant job.

My doctor says I can no longer be an accountant. Go do something really risky for your eye problem. You hear like stop being a stunt man or something like that, but stop being an accountant. That's tough. Doctors used to be much more active in people's lives. And I didn't realize an accountant was like being a fighter jet pilot. You need 2020, you know, like I guess, vision. So I guess, I don't know.

Yeah. That's a good question. His doctor didn't care for it. So he's in the opening scenes of Once Upon a Time in the West. Oh yeah, amazing. Dealing with a fly. He was in the Cannonball Run movies. He sure was. What's his name? Dr. Van Helsing? Dr. Nicholas Van Helsing, described as a crazed proctologist. I love Jack Eaton. I love, love, love this man. Yeah. He's so funny in Cannonball Run. So he played bad guys and then he transitioned to comedy? Yep. He pretty much half and half. He was all bad guys. And then I think people realized that

I, in his words, that goes adrift would be a lot better served for comedy. And turns out it's true. Really? Is he real funny in Cannonball Road? He's really funny. Granted, I ain't seen this movie in probably 15 years. So maybe some things have changed in the culture where things aren't as funny. Granted, I ain't seen this movie in probably 15 years, so maybe some things have changed in the culture where things aren't as funny. Oh, I doubt it. I doubt it. So 15 years ago, you laughed at bad things is what you say. I did. I did. I laughed at bad things. Some of us did. We laughed at bad things 15 years ago sometimes.

Yeah, some times I still do. Like if I see an old person fall down. Uh-huh. That's not a bad thing. That's just circle of life. Well, but what if you're the cause of them falling? Well, you're just trying to make yourself laugh. Yeah. Okay, good. Sometimes you got to go push people down at a mall and cackle. Sometimes you do, right.

Now, Jack Elam. Let me tell you a little something about my friend, Matt Gourley. Oh, yeah. Okay. Jack Elam on the set of, I forget what it was, he became friends with a little boy who had progeria, you know, where you have advanced to age. Yeah, you age fast. Yeah, like the movie Jack.

Now, this little boy, they became good friends and they did a documentary about them called I'm Not a Freak and he's in, Jack Elam's in this thing. Jack Elam's in it. But this little boy and another little boy, they was the subjects of the show That's Incredible. I remember that show. Do you remember that? This was a show like Human Interest Stories of ghosts or heartwarming things and hosted by Fran Tarkington, Kathie Lee Crosby and John Davidson.

Not Byron Allen. He was on Real People. That's Real People. Okay. Which I actually preferred because it was less sensational. Skip Stevenson was funny. Yeah, and Byron Allen and Peter Billingsley. Sarah Purcell.

Incredible. Anyway. When I saw these two kids on That's Incredible, I was a little boy myself. I mean, my friend Matt was a little- Sure, sure, sure. First of all, this is very important that you understand this Matt Gorley is about what I'm about to say because I'm rock solid. I'm a man.

I'm a manly man. You're a manly man. This is a story about Matt Gorley is about what I'm about to say because I'm rock solid. I'm a man. I'm a manly man. Right. You're a manly man. This is a story about Matt Gorley. Yeah. And every once in a while, like, you know, when you're telling a story about a friend, you go into the first person. Sure. Yeah.

Sure. And this guy's manhood is in question, you're saying, because of this story. Because when he saw this story about these two kids who got to meet up with, I believe, another little girl at Disneyland to have their dreams come true. Knowing that they were going to die at a fairly young age, Matt, my friend Matt cried inconsolably over and over to the point where I think he tried to send money to them or something like that. Oh my.

And then had to settle for Jerry Lewis's telecon. He's a sweet kid. He was a sensitive kid. He was sensitive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He'd cry a lot for various reasons. Some of them not legitimate. Right, right, right. That seems like a legitimate one there though.

Oh, I guess so. But man, it stayed with him. And when I was reading about Jack Elam I thought about Matt and it's almost like I had an E.T. Elliott kind of uh you know empathy thing going on and it affected me again. Oh wow. I can't tell if I dare to watch this documentary or not because I've never seen the documentary. Since memory was coming back. Yeah. Was Jack Elam involved in the That's Incredible episode at all? No I don't think, but he's heavily featured in the documentary as being a great friend of this boy, Mickey... I'll tell you right now. Yeah, that's right. Amazing. The way they expressed

it on his Wikipedia page is not the best. Maybe you could do a rewrite. It says, Elam developed what would become a lifelong relationship with an 11-year-old boy in Texas named Mickey Hayes. It's not until you get to the following sentence that you can breathe a sigh of relief. Yeah, it doesn't sound good. But yeah, anyway, that's wild. So they had a good time at Disneyland. When you think about a gentle giant with a drifting eye and a little boy Progeria, who I'm sure Jack Elam had some feelings himself of being labeled a bit of you know an abnormal freak or

something that oh man doesn't it just if look if I were Matt Gurley I'd be crying but of course I'm a tailor and I never shed a tear as long as I live no absolutely not right okay good a little of, you got a little salt in your eyes. Do I? Well, it's some allergies. Allergies. Okay. Yeah. Oh, it's allergy season for truth. Not only have I never cried, but my eyeballs are kind of known as dehumidifiers

where they actually suck up moisture. Oh, really? Right. I used your eyes on the windshield of my car the other night and it was better than Rain-X ever was. Yeah. It was really, really good stuff. Absolutely. So much so my doctors had told me I better move to a wetter climate. Yes, true.

Thanks for riding on the... Just to help out. Yes, that's exactly right. Thanks for riding on the hood of my car for about 25 miles. Hey man, when I can help and also ride a bucking bronco, you actually drive a bronco, so this is not even a windshield. Yeah, I have a windshield on a horse. Oh yeah, right, right, right.

No, I hear about that a lot. Because you can't ride a horse when it's raining, so I've kind of configured a car like situation. Get wipers on there. Not a bad idea. There's a little screen when it backs up. Oh, uh-huh. Yeah, yeah, all of that stuff. I've got a friend with an unpermitted bathroom. It's covered in mildew. Maybe it'll have you over there. I'd be happy to do it. Okay, that'd be good. There's no ventilation in the bathroom at all. It does sound deleterious to my health, but I'll give it a shot. You got to hang out on the roof of this bathroom for about a week. Yeah, because it's not like I'm quick with this. It doesn't... No, no.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, they'd really appreciate it, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm basically like you put your iPhone in a bucket of rice if you drop it in the bathtub. Oh, yeah. I'm like a bucket of rice or silica gel that you see in the Amazon page. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I tried that once, that rice trick. It didn't do anything. It didn't work at all.

No, it just wasted a bunch of rice. Well, you threw your phone in the... They were cooking teppanyaki. They were cooking the... You foiled your phone. ... in front of you. Right. And you're like, dang, I dropped my phone in the toilet in the bathroom. I'm gonna just throw it right here on this hot plate.

Well, that's what I was told to do. Put it in some rice. Nobody said what it can't be in the recipe. You wanted to myth bust it and try killing two birds with one stone and threw it into a boiling pot of rice. And I think you had it wrong. Yeah. Well, I was busting the other myth too. You cannot keep your iPhone overnight in the toilet of an unpermitted bathroom with no ventilation.

And you can't also watch a boiling pot of water. You was like myth busting. And these are not myths. These are not things that have like caught fire and that people think exist. Hang on, you're trying to say, how does a myth buster? You gotta find something that people kind of believe. You have to have heard it from other people. exists. Hang on. You're trying to say, how does a myth, but you've got to find something that people kind of believe. You have to have heard it from other people. Exactly.

Like you can't just come up with a myth and then bust it. Right. Like is there a Loch Ness monster? I guess, I don't know if that's something they're really busting. They're doing more physics. Well, I killed the Loch Ness monster. About five years ago now he was, he had shape shifted into the form of a fellow that worked in a pub over there in Fort William. But I took care of that son of a bitch.

Wow. Yep. How'd you do it? How'd I do it? Well, it was difficult because I couldn't travel over there with my guns. They got a real thing about guns over there. So I had to just use what was available,

which turned out to be a case register. Wow. Man, I love the way you... That takes a long time to turned out to be a case register. Wow. Man, I love the way you. That takes a long time to kill a person with a case. It only took two blows. Oh good. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, anyway, Loch Ness Monster's dead. You're welcome, Scotland. We also, we've talked about this guy before. Do you have anything else you want to tell us about Jackie Lamb? Just that you never see an actual plane go into the Pentagon. It's just like- We've seen that footage. It's all of a sudden just an explosion.

There's a little flash or something, but we all know that ain't no plane. It's a shadow of a hawk, I think. If anything, a hawk flew into that. That's what our books are about. A hawk did all this. In my day, combustible hawks. Uh-huh. Yep. Yeah. That's a real problem, hawks flying into buildings and taking them down. Because hawk, yeah, hawks can burn steel that we know. Yes, they can. A hawk will burn that hot. If they can't, they can at least do it more than a goddamn jumbo.

Exactly. 250 bucks. Well, also, Jackie Lamb played the role of Scrooge in Scrooge's Rock and Roll Christmas in 1984 on television, which was, do you want to try to get, no. You'll never guess who was booked on the 1984 Scrooge's Rock and Roll Christmas special. Lead singer on White Lion.

No, they weren't on the scene yet. It was Three Dog Night and Mike Love. Okay. That's it. That's about, no, there's other ones like the Breveers. I never heard them. Oh, one of the guys from Jan and Dean, the one that was not in the car accident. Okay.

Stephen Turrell played Bud Harvey in this episode. And I swear to God, this would be the second Bud in the episode. And I don't know who Bud Harvey was in this episode. All right. Is he the love interest? No, that's Bud Hode. Oh, is Bud Harvey the ranch owner that? Nope. Okay. Just trying to help you out. I know. Is he the guy that gets shot? He knows who is not. He's not the guy that gets shot. I don't know.

I have to go back and watch it. But I think we talked about this actor before, Stephen Terrell. He also quit show business in 1963 to live a life committed to his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. He founded the Lambs Players, which was a street theater troupe performing modern morality plays in the medieval style. Oh my God. What does that mean? I can tell you. My friend Matt was a theater major. morality plays in the medieval style. Oh my God.

What does that mean? I could tell you. Yeah. My friend Matt was a theater major. Oh, okay. Okay. So they were these traveling morality plays that they would do on carts and they would just have, you know, Satan, God, and the devil and your every man character saying, which way should I go?

But they weren't interesting and they didn't have a subtext or anything like that, so I can't imagine you'd gather a crowd. Where were they doing this? San Diego. What? That'll, your morality play will actually get packed out in San Diego. Really? Yeah.

And maybe this is in response because it says, after a couple of years, the troop expanded to include a puppet theater, a mime, and a dance troupe. So maybe they would have had a problem of drawing a crowd and they said, let's get, how about a mime medieval men? Yeah, you got to compete with Seaman and Shamu. We do need something for fun before it turns into sort of like a lesson. Yeah. Yeah. Rope them in with the puppets, then hit with the medieval morality. But I bet they first tried it the other way around. Save the puppets to the end. It's really the morality that's going to bring the kids. Mrs. Shaughnessy was played by Mary Treene. She played the secretary of the building and

loan in It's a Wonderful Life. The one who says, Uncle Billy's gone to the bank. Now she is 5'9", and she was in a comedy duo with a woman who was five three and they build themselves as Trine and Barnett, two unsophisticated Vassar coeds. Rolls off the tongue. And this says much of the comedy was centered around their difference in height, a whole six inches. Neither of them, particularly at the extremes. No.

Wow. No. particularly at the extremes. No. Wow. No. But so now later in life, they was both widowed and they moved in together. And in their later years, they performed their old routines to the delight of other senior citizens.

Oh, in San Diego? Now this sounds like it's going to make Matt Gorley cry. Somewhere, somewhere Matt Gorley's hitting it too. He's crying. I would like to see a couple of old broads, one so tall you can't see her, one so small you step on her. Five-nine head in the clouds, five-three where is she? Wow.

What's the air up like at? Up there. And you say they both went to Vessar. Oh my God. You are so tall I'm still looking down at you at nearly six feet. I did notice by the way that in her scene with the little Joe Cartwright, she and Michael Landon are the precise same height. And in fact, it's true, they both have nine. Wow.

He does seem small. Yeah, exactly. Little Joe. Little Joe. All right, what else we got here? Last thing I'll tell you is there's the actor who played Bud Hode. He's got a big part in this. He's like a love interest, handsome, young fella.

Man, I could not find anything about this guy. He stopped acting in 1968. His name was Claude Hall. I found a Claude Hall who runs an annual gun show at the Oklahoma State Fair. That fits. I know, but if that's him, he is running away from his past as an actor in Westerns.

He doesn't mention it anywhere. I found another Claude Hall, retired hair and makeup man, who again, it looks like him. But if it's him, he doesn't want you to know about his past. Wow. It's interesting. I wonder if he went into CIA or something like that. Man, I've been to Facebook pages. Claude Hall.

When I get frustrated, I can't find information on somebody. Are there pictures of them too, other Claude Halls? Oh yeah, there are. Do you want to go all the way down? I'll do it. Oh yeah, of course I do. All right, good. We need to look. All right, because the Claude Hall Oklahoma Gun Show too, by the way, it's a heck of a website. It's a... Yeah, you would think he would use his acting pass to help him sell guns.

A cowboy? Yeah, come on. But maybe it's because he played such a softy. He doesn't want people looking into it. Right. They'll be like, I ain't going to buy a gun from that guy. Wait up. Yeah.

Damn it. Where is it? Oh, shit. They had a good thing on here. About us, our mission. Oh, damn. Where'd it go? They had such a funny line in there.

It's like, come on down to our gun show. We'll be waiting for you locked and loaded. Wait a minute. I'm going to get shot. Yeah. Well, yeah, there's, there's this Claude hall. Okay. And I don't know.

I don't think that's him neither I don't think that's him neither. But now I'll take you to the Facebook page of the other poor man who reports on Facebook that he is living his best life, by the way. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. But there's a lot of things on there that make me think it's been a rough road for this Claude Hall.

Claude Hall here. This poor man. He's just trying to go about his business. I am poking through all of his pictures to find out if he was on Bonanza 62 years ago. I'm going to find the photo of him that most makes me think that it could be him and it's from a while ago. Well, okay. All right. He put a little caption on this old picture of himself. I'll go, well, okay. He put a little caption on this old picture of himself. I don't know. He was so blonde, but that does look like very dyed hair. Oh wait, his quote. I've just skipped by that. Oh yeah. I know I'm a handful, but that's why you've got two hands. Claude. Okay. That's what he'd like you to know about.

I wonder if that's his headshot. Uh, can you have a big quote on your headshot? I might be nice. I guess so. There's another picture where he looks a little bit. Let's see. This is another old picture of him. I mean, that kind of a little bit looks like the Clonhal from this episode.

That's true. You know, he's got, is a Chiriblaque round face. Look like him. I mean, that kind of a little bit looks like the Claude Hall from this episode. Yeah, that's true. You know, he's got, he's a cheer of black round face. That does look like him. Uh huh. That spitting image. I think that's him. When was that taken? It's an interview magazine shirt.

Uh huh. That's pretty Hollywood. Yeah. And he also worked, oh, he was an assistant at Showtime. This poor man. That's him. I've scared his... Claude what?

Hall. H-A-L-L. This is the most we've ever done. This is the most invasive we've been about anybody on this show. But it feels right. Cause he's good and he's a handsome fella. Yeah, we need to know. Former executive assistant to the VP of casting at Columbia Pictures. That's gotta be him. Gotta be him, right? But nowhere on here does he take any credit for being a fine actor. I think he's like, I'm moving on to casting. Yeah, I don't want people to think

I'm an actor, turncaster, director. I think when you become that highly situated as a casting, you don't need to go back to your big parts. Okay. I think that's him. All right, fine. We found you Claude Hall, you son of a bitch. And we're waiting for you, lock and loaded. Hit him with that's him. All right, fine. We found you Claude Hall, you son of a bitch. And we're waiting for you, lock and loaded.

Hit him with that friend request. Bye. Goddamn right. All right, should we talk about this episode? Let's do it. Lord Almighty, I don't know how long we've been at it already, but it seems like a long one. 52 minutes.

Lord, we usually try to go an hour, but maybe we'll go a little bit over here. Let's go a little over. The episode begins. You got a little time? Oh yeah. Oh, episode begins in Box Creek Canyon. We got a couple of mountain people, Jeb and his daughter Willa. They're the hoads. They come from Tennessee and Kentucky and thereabouts.

You get about two and a half seconds into this episode and Jeb smacks Willa across the face and she don't really react. But the cause of it was that he's starting to fire and she put some green things on there. Okay. A real smack in the face. I didn't catch that part. I didn't know that she had tried to extinguish it with some green things. Yeah, that was the issue.

But- Oh, she piled up too much green and you need dry. Uh-huh. I see. It also took me a beat to figure out that it was father and daughter and not husband and wife. A hundred percent. When the daughter reveal happened, I was like, that's not what I thought at all.

Maybe that's why they gave him them heavy eyebrows and beard. Because they're too close in age? Maybe. Yeah, too smooth-faced. Yeah, could be. But so now his plan is, he is on the Cartwrights land. I guess he doesn't know or doesn't care, but he's going to burn a thousand acres to clear it for himself to make a home there. And he says, fire purifies the land. Yeah. Yeah. Lunatic. But Joe rides up on him and Joe doesn't

want anything. He doesn't want this fire. And Joe starts putting out the fire with what we're told are wet sacks. That was the plan to begin with. Yeah. Jeb says, I don't want the fire getting near the wagon. That's why I got these wet sacks. And now Joe knows right away, oh, pile of sacks. That was the plan to begin with. Yeah, Jeb says, I don't want the fire getting near the wagon. That's why I got these wet sacks. And now Joe knows right away, oh, pile of sacks, they must be wet and they must be for putting out this fire. I'm going to do it right now. He tries to do it. Well, old Jeb fires at him with a shotgun. Luckily misses him. And Joe says, you've never seen a car ride be this patient with being fired upon. He says, try that again. I'll do something about it.

He's like, I'll give you the one attempt to murder me. Do you do it again? And sure enough, God damn, that fella pulls another gun out the wagon and little Joe has no choice. He's going to shoot some dead right there in the field. Damn. Man oh man. I mean, that was a righteous killing if ever there was one, but Lord almighty, Willa is

sure mad as hell and she comes at him with an axe and he has to, well, this is the second time in the space of a couple of minutes this poor girl gets hit, but he had got no choice. At this point, the first hit, maybe you get put green things on the fire. Maybe you get hit. Yeah. He probably specifically said, bring me dry. Yeah. There's some gray area there.

Definitely. I mean, people shouldn't put green stuff on fires. That's one of the first things you teach your daughter. Exactly. If you put a green thing on your daddy's fire, you go and get hit. You're going to get hit. OK. But this second one, no choice.

Joe had no choice. He had to bonk her out and tire up. And then, well, he tries, he's determined something. Okay, I've killed her father. I'm going to bring her home and we're going to treat her real nice at the Ponderosa Ranch. That's what you do when you killed somebody. This happened a couple episodes ago. Ben Cartwright killed a little boy's father and the same deal. We're going to bring you home and we're going to treat you like a king.

Don't look for the rest of their family to return them to. No, not at all. Well, now we get to the ranch and she is so mad. She's tied up on the back of a horse. She's saying, she's saying, I'll kill you as sure as you're born. She's ranting and raving about what her grandma's going to do and her Ken folk and all this stuff. And, and Paul Cartwright, he could not be more thoughtful and kind. He used to go tell the sheriff what's happened. We'll get her some clothes in here and we'll give her a bed.

And I mean, there's, this is the best treatment you're ever going to get in the, in the Nevada territory is if a Cartwright kills your father. Right. And you get to take a bath in a box. But now before we get to that bath scene, which boy, oh boy, that's, I love it when this shows funny, they go to out at the lazy K ranch. Oh boy. Here comes the rest of the hoes is grandma hold with her whip and she's

just whipping everything inside. And they come upon the old Bart Hastings here at the lazy K and his ranch hands there, they're just walking a horse around a tight circle in a tiny corral. And there gets to be some words exchanged. She's got some good quotes. Oh, well, first of all, this was very mocking when the hoes are coming up, Bart Hastings says, hey, you boys want to see some first class stock? Look yonder. Making fun of these mountain people. Yeah. That ain't nice. But she says- They have a point though. It's also really fun when they have an exterior shot. Oh yeah. And then all of a sudden,

a buggy, a wagon pulls up in a clear studio with the background. It's very fun. I believe it actually happened. I didn't rewind it to confirm, but I believe it happened that they're on one side of the wagon outdoors and then they turn around to the other side of the way. I noticed that as well. I also noticed, I think little Joe Crotch was split. Yeah, I noticed that too.

Yeah. He seemed to have his pants were split. Oh dear. Well, uh, and you know, they shot, they went up to all the way to Lake Tahoe. They brought all these actors up there to do that. It's very confusing. In fact, I believe in the funeral scene when they're burying Doty Hode, this way is outside and this way is inside.

Yeah. Isn't it interesting that they chose to do the actual practical fire in the wild, not in a controlled studio? Exactly. They're lucky they had them wet sacks handy. Well, okay now, she's a... They have a... All right, but the big thing that happens in this scene is when a ranch hand...

I mean, I got to say, he's pulling his gun. This ranch hand was pulling his pistol when the conversation got heated and Doe D. Holt, he didn't wait for anything. He gunned that motherfucker down and he killed him. Yeah. And that poor fella, he was going to explain it, but he died mid sentence and he didn't know what his excuse was. It seemed like he had a reason, but I can't imagine what it was. Yeah. He maybe wanted to show the gun or something. Take a look at this.

Look at this over here. This is new. Bam! Or like, I couldn't shoot. This gun's broken. Here, look at it. Yeah. Well, maybe he realized he didn't have a good excuse.

So he said, I guess I'll just die. Yeah. Because he's lying there going, I wasn't going to shoot him. I just, oh, I guess I was in the wrong. I don't want to live. And I don't, I don't want to live. And I don't I don't like gunfire. Modern modern gunfire terrifying.

But something about the old timey gunfire with a lot of smoke. Yeah, I like it better. Yeah, it's good. Just one lone bullet. It hits them immediately. Big plume of smoke. Yeah. And it's lights out too, man. Nobody ever suffers from a gunshot on this show. Well, it's sorta a little bit.

I was surprised of how I have not seen this show about how many deaths so quick. People dying all the time on this thing. Every once in a while you'll hit an episode where nobody dies. And that's always disappointing, but usually there's a fair amount of gunplay. Mostly women. Yeah, women die a lot. All right. So now we got it. Well, this is the funny scene. Boy, oh boy, oh boy. Poor little Joe. He's having to bring up a bucket after bucket of piping hot water to try and get this girl a bath. She's a damn filthy. Good.

That is a good one. She's just, she's just nuts up there. Ain't showered in days. You can't get a girl a shower when her dad dies. No way. Nope. And then there's when we meet Mrs. Shaughnessy and she's a, she's just a lady who's available to bathe women,

stray women. Yeah. Yeah. That's her calling her profession. Yeah be, because we have never seen her. And they lead you to believe just Joe and Hoss are going to be up there doing this until they see what's shown us. That's what I thought. My goodness. But then and Hoss has a box with a hole in it.

It's just standard procedure for bathing an unwilling person. Just her head can come up. Go get the big huge crate with the little head hole in it. How to keep somebody submerged in water without drowning them. You would think they would sell them things at Petco. Yeah. Good point. Because my dogs would be jumping out every time I put them in a tub.

Same with the sack when you need to do their hair. They did. So they put her in like a look like a pillowcase. It's like a homemade western style straight jacket. Yeah, that's right. In order to cut her hair. Now, Mrs. Shaughnessy noticeably is not there to do the hair. So little Joe is doing the hair. Of course. Right, right.

But as we know of Michael Landon in later shows like Highway to Heaven, glorious long hair. So he knows something about it. Beautiful. Yeah, he has some training. He knows his way around a head of hair. But he gets bit for his efforts and then Haas takes over and does her hair. And then they stuff her into, well, very much against her will into a nice, pretty clean dress and they just know what's going to happen. Get the mirror and it's going to have a magical And then they stuff her into a very much against her will into a nice, pretty clean dress. And they just know what's going to happen. Get the mirror and it's going to have a magical effect. She's going to see herself with her hair done up by little Joe and Hoss Cartwright and stuffed into a beautiful blue dress and she's going to be tamed instantly. Like a bucking bronco into a

a bucking bronco into a smooth ride. It appears to happen, just as they knew it would. But it was a trick, goddamn. That spitfire, she runs out and steals Paul Cartwright's horse and rides off to meet her kinfolk. Gone. Yeah. Oh, well, they thought she'd been tamed, but then the sheriff, oh no, Adam gets shot by Dodie Hoad, but his book of poetry saved his life. Oh yeah. Right? His book of poetry took the bullet. Then we have a totally unnecessary scene where they tell us that the book of poetry saved him. And then Hoss says, mind if I read some poetry? But then he doesn't. And then the sheriff rides up and then the sheriff tells him, oh yeah, Dodie Hoad and all this stuff. And he, oh, what they want to do is arrest Dodie Hode for killing the ranch hand and have a fair trial, which by the way, I think Dodie Hode would have won.

He would have been innocent because that ranch hand was pulling his pistol, but they're going to go there and they do it. Okay. What happens? They get there and, uh, uh, old grandma Hode is so mad. She won't allow it to happen. She's got four sons left and they've all got long guns and ain't nobody taking Dodie Hody in anywheres.

So the posse retreats, but then Ben, he's so courageous, old Paul Cartwright. He's so brave. He takes off his gun belt and he goes in to talk to grandma hold. And he says, here's what I'm gonna do for you. I'm gonna give you a huge plot of prime land and a bunch of livestock. And I'm just, I mean, what a gift!

Also, he mentions the connection they have of having three sons. Oh, yeah. Little asterisk there that she had for her until one of them was shot dead. But it also feels like, I don't know if you know this on Bonanza, Ben Cartwright, he'd been married to three different ladies and had all them sons are from three different ladies. Oh, I see. And I get the feeling Ma Ho is the same thing because ain't nothing about those boys looks the same.

Oh, I see. She's buried four or five different husbands over the years. I believe it. Well, she was just... She knows that he's been going around to different food, finding different food. Finding different food. Who knows about that? Well, this woman is a, she's kind of an asshole. She's not very nice. She's constantly swatting people with that whip of hers.

Bringing doorbells. Yeah. She wants people, she wants people to die. She's, she's, yeah, she ain't so sweet, but, but she's sort of like, okay, maybe you're not lying to me, Ben Cartwright. We'll see tomorrow night at sundown if my son Doty turns himself into the sheriff, then that means I accept your incredibly generous offer. But meanwhile, back at the house, Willa has escaped again and Joe catches up to her just to say goodbye. And he says, you can keep the again and Joe, Joe catches up to her just to say goodbye.

And he says, you can keep the pony and all the clothes. They are so goddamn nice to these fucking mountain people. All right. And then, but, and then it turned out, of course, Joe sort of misses her. He kind of liked her. He says she, she was kind of cute when we got her face washed. That's a nice sentiment. I think, you know, Ma Ho probably a looker too if you cleaned her up and, you know, Ben

could have found himself another one. Yeah, they should have. They could have Brady Bunched. Yeah. Oh, well. They should have put that whole family in that tub and made them nice and then Brady Bunched it. Yeah.

I think that would have worked. A family sized tub with a bunch of head holes so they don't drown. Oh. And they're like the head holes of the opening credits of the Brady Bunch. Yeah. Yeah. Shoot the credit sequence right there. For all we know, all the members of the Brady Bunch was having a bath during the opening credit sequence. They only shot their heads.

That is so true. It could be. It is blue background, yeah. A blue background. Water is blue. Is that what you mean? I think it is. I appreciate you running it through the filters.

See if it passed muster. Well, now Willie goes back to her kinfolk and the grandma doesn't like her fancy new shirt. And then Joe rides up because Joe has promised he's going to say straight to grandma, hold his face. I shot your son, Jeb, in the opening scene of this show because he was starting a fire and tried to kill me. And I don't know why he feels like he needs to go there and say it to her face and the faces of her four other sons. But man, of course it starts from trouble and damn it, if he doesn't have to kill another one of this woman's sons. Learn your lesson.

Yeah, Dodie Hode, Joe says to him, I will shoot you if you point that rifle at me. What does he do if he points a rifle at him? You got to shoot him. Now this woman has lost two sons in the space of one episode of Bonanza. And she never sheds a tear or nothing. She's just like, Oh well. But, uh, and finally what happens? They bury her. Oh, uh, Bud, Hode and, uh, uh, spitfire are in love. And he just wants to, it's just, her sons want to drop their rifles and settle down and be regular people.

Are they cousins at best? Oh, wait a minute. Oh, good point. Yeah. Wait a minute. That's her. Hey, that's her uncle. That's her uncle.

Hang on now. I never thought about it. Yeah, it is. Dang. That is a real good point. Jeb was the son of Mahode. Right. And so was Bud.

Yeah. So, okay. This is the tender love story at the son of Mahode. Right, and so was Bud. Yeah. So, okay, this is the tender love story at the heart of our episode. I mean, we used to laugh at weird stuff 15 years ago, and then 50 years ago it was even weirder. She's gonna marry her uncle, all right, good for them. But this episode ends with, uh, the hoes showing up at the Ponderosa ranch house and, uh, grandma says all the right things to Joe.

She's come around, something happened to her attitude. She just had, nothing we've seen. She thought a lot, said a lot of things that we did not see and then arrived to a conclusion that really helped in the episode. It really did. Just in time too for the credits because she says to Joe, okay, you had no choice but to kill the two of my sons and I don't want no more killing and I'll try and see to it that

they don't make it impossible for you to do anything but kill them. Ben Cartwright, I've had a real case of missing script page. Exactly. And Ben Cartwright, I've had a real case of missing script page. Exactly. They really could have used when he was talking about the poetry, they could have used those minutes. That's what they could have done. Cut that poetry stuff. Yeah, yeah. Cut that, but somebody was saying, no, you don't, how are we going to understand that the bullet was called by the book of poetry? Because we saw it in the previous scene. People need to hear it. Anyways, she ends the episode by saying to Ben Cartwright, I hear you got all kinds of nice pretty things in your house.

Mind if I take a look? And he offers her his elbow all gentlemanly like. So it really does seem like this could be the pilot episode of a show in which the Tennessee mountain people and the Nevada territory ranchers come together. Them two get married and all them brothers try to get along with each other while the fella's married to his niece. And we just have tons of laughs and heartwarming moments. You're right. That could be a nice pilot.

Yeah. Either Miss Shaughnessy or Hop Singh plays the Alice role. Oh yeah. Maybe the two of them. Yeah. Get two Alice's in there. They're doing their vaudeville act together. Excuse me, vaudeville. Vaudeville. I wouldn't be surprised if Hop Singh's a little shorter than Mary Shaughnessy. Only needs to be six inches.

Yeah. Add a couple of love triangles between full family members. Oh yeah. And we have a show. We have a nice show. It'd be beautiful. But it was not to be because these characters, none of them ever show up. Does Jack Elam ever appear on the show again as a different character? I don't believe so.

No, but you know what he did do? Jack Elam showed up in these two weird TV movies, Bonanza the Return and Bonanza Under Attack. Okay. Oh. So those were in the 90s or something like that. But I think this might've been his only Bonanza. Shame. Proper Bonanza. Guys, I'm sorry to tell you that with that, we only have 382 episodes of Bonanza left to go.

Damn. That we haven't covered on this show. Shipping away. Are you guys preparing? I mean, you're getting your shelters done and everything for when the inevitable end comes and... Yeah. The end of this podcast?

Yeah. Just the end of No Bonanza. It's like you need survivalist... Yeah. I've been refashioning my bathtub covers into a shelter. Oh, good. Good. Yeah.

I'm planning to go over to the Claude Hall Gun Show at the Oklahoma State Fair. That seems like they'll outfit me with everything I need for the end times. You right, you right. Seems like their business. Well, all right, what you got coming up there, old shoe? Listen, I'm gonna go back to the next season.

Of Yellowstone. The alien says that they have seen enough. Okay. Yeah, they have seen enough. You don't need an annual checkup with them for the moles. Well, I am worried about, you know, my moles. So I'm hoping they visit Earth again. Yeah. Okay. And I'm hoping that the government will release any information they have on aliens so I can then visit the ones that have maybe been here and find out about my moles. And then I guess according to y'all, I need to go to the doctor because these animals are trying to tell me that I am sick.

I would, yes. And just explain that to the doctor. Just say I have received some notes from animals. I just, I can't move. If I go to the doctor, they're gonna tell me to move, to get better, and I can't do that. Right, you put down roots. I am set up, even though I work on Yellowstone

and I live in Georgia, I am set up. You know what I mean? I work for nearly 11 months a year on Yellowstone, on location, but I am set up in Georgia. But you can't move that. Your home is in Georgia for that one month a year. I know, I know. A lot of important stuff going on there.

But that's about all I got so far, you know. When the strike ends, I'm back. Oh, yeah. I'm back. Oh, okay. Are you worried about all them AIs? Is she Griffin? Yes, I am. Are you worried about all them AIs? Is you Griffin? Yes, I am. I did. I went ahead and scanned myself and gave it all to them for a thousand

dollars. I said every word in the English language and I really shouldn't have done that. But I did that. Like a full body scan in front of the cameras and all that stuff too. I went in early on and scanned myself. Oh man. Now people are getting so much more for their scans. Oh they are. And I gave it away for nothing.

Do you just spend a lot of time letting people scan you behind barns, in studios? Wow. You're an open book. You are. Listen, I'll fall for somebody pitching me something. They're like, we can give you a thousand. You don't even have to show up to set and we'll just use your likeness. I'm not wild about this AI business, but you sort of make a case for it in,

in the sense that an AI background actor ain't going to get into a fight with any pigs. That is true. You know what I mean? I'm like, every time I show up to set, it is a nightmare for me, but I don't think that thousand dollars is, I mean, it's gone. Oh, that thousand dollars is, I mean, it's gone. Oh. That thousand dollars is gone. Okay.

Too bad. Yeah. Well, listen, you better be on best behavior so they don't go resorting to road bucket carriers in the background of Yellowstone and whatnot. And I hope that everybody leaves you alone between the aliens and the pigs. Yes, I appreciate that. And the process servers. And the the goddamn dance crews most of all. Oh my God. Yeah, the Jabberwockies. I am going to try to get a rematch with them.

Oh, you are? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I am. As soon as I get all the splinters out of my friends, we're going to be working. We got a lot of little pins. We're just trying to get the splinters out of them, out their fingers, out their backs, everything. Tweezers, man, you gotta get some tweezers. Tweezers, that's what I need, not pins. Not inkjet pins, that's tough. No, no, that'll only do half the job,

you need the squeezer. I do, I do. I wanna appreciate y'all for having, thank y'all for having me, it's a good time. It's been lovely to talk to you, and wonderful to talk about this episode with you. And what else did we say at the end of one of these episodes? When's this coming out?

What up, Pud, he. What up, he. I'll tell you what, I can find it on the calendar when it's coming out. I think it's something like October the 11th. Oh, okay.

Oh, that's it, okay, all right. My friend, Matt Gourley, he's doing a show with his friend, Andy Dudley appearing. Uh-huh. And his other friend, Mark McConveille, is doing a live mall walking and townland band performance, also including Paul F. Tompkins and much, much more. That sounds like a great show.

He told me to say that. When's that? October the 21st at the Dynasty typewriter theater in person and live streaming. People got to check that out. Yeah, this doesn't come out until the 18th, but that's OK. Oh, yeah. OK, that'll work. All right. Good. All right. Hey, this doesn't come out until the 18th, but that's okay. Oh yeah, okay, that'll work. All right, good. All right, hey, Shue Griffin, thank you so much.

Hey, thank you so much. This was a blast. We had a damn fine time. And now here comes my sign off. Now get, yeehaw, fuck, bye now. Yeah. Good enough! Bananas for Bananzas brought to you by Andy Daly with Matt Gorman.

Theme song by Matt Gorman with The Journey. Which in this case are Mark McConville, Daniel Michikoff and Wade Riley. Bananas for Bananzas mixed and edited by Mark McCartney. Executive produced by Andy Daly and Matt Gould. We'll see you around.