Bonanas for Bonanza - Bonanas For Bonanza Episode #50: “The Bride”

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Subscribe to The Andy Daly Podcast Project at Patreon.com/AndyDaly Finally, an avid Bonanas For Bonanza listener joins Dalton and Mutt as a guest! Danielle Koenig helps break down Bonanza Season ...2, episode 18 - “The Bride” and does some first class bottom getting on the subject of Ricardo Montalban’s chest. Plus, this action-packed and confusing episode of Bonanza features a Batman!  Featuring Matt Gourley and Danielle KoenigMerch: redbubble.com/people/ADPodProject/shopMail: PO Box 9407 Glendale, CA 91226Email: bonanaspod@gmail.comAndy’s website: andydaly.comRecord date: 11/1/2023 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:02:08 I'm Bonanza for bonanza. Hey, well, well, well, welcome to bananas for bonanza. Hey hello friend. Come on in. The gate is open wide. This is bananas for bonanza. We're talking about a season two episode, I think it's 18 or 19. I've got to get my notes up and it's called The Bride.
Starting point is 00:02:31 This is a great episode, God damn it. Hey, you know what? This is the 50th episode of Bananas for Bananas. Oh! I know that. Five-oh, it's an interesting number. Microphone cheers. Cheers, we're clinking our microphones together.
Starting point is 00:02:43 Hell, I think we'll let, first we'll introduce our guest, Danielle B. Koenig is here. Hello. Yes, hi. How are you? I am great and I'm so excited to be here because I'm a huge fan of your podcast. I know that. You know what?
Starting point is 00:02:56 I don't think we've ever had somebody on the podcast before who has listened to it before. I've noticed that. That's impressive. And I get insulted for you every time that you have these wonderful guests on who clearly don't know what's up. No they don't.
Starting point is 00:03:09 And it's upsetting. This is the first proof that our podcast has actually made it to the outside world just publishing wise. Yes, my son and I have heard it. I don't know if anyone else has, but we've heard it. So that's two. That's two, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:20 That's more than most podcasts have. And your son, how old is he? He's 16. He's a 16 year old boy, and he listens to his podcasts all the time. He loves it. I bring him to school and he's laughing his way falling out the door of the car.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Oh man, I like it. He should be our next guest, you know. Yeah, oh, I'm sure he'd love to be a guest. Yeah, and also too, in addition, he should have a seatbelt on. Yeah, you're right. Well, I usually just come to a California role, not real full stop, and just push him out the door.
Starting point is 00:03:51 So the laughing is good momentum for him to fall out the door and make it into school on time. This is so nice, because people always talk about the troubled youth of America. But what I see here is a bright future for your son. I mean, he's got good taste. He does. He has very good taste.
Starting point is 00:04:05 He must be more conversant in Bonanza than half the people at school. Well, you were earlier saying for Halloween... Maybe a large half. He did dress up as Mark LeBalsam from The Taking of Pelham 123. Yeah, last Halloween. Leaps and bounds ahead. Yeah. Speaking of Halloween, Dalton, I don't know if this is a touchy subject.
Starting point is 00:04:27 We happen to be recording this on the 11th of the 1st. The 11th of the 1st. It's the 11th month of the year and the first day of it. Are you European now? Well hell no. Never in hell. I didn't think so. I'm American through and through.
Starting point is 00:04:43 But sometimes when you're going to write it down, you'll start with 11 and then you'll put a slash and then you'll put a one. That's true. That's true. It's 11 one. Right. So last night was Halloween. It certainly was. I was curious if you had any mishaps,
Starting point is 00:05:00 if there were any mistaken identities with monsters running around. Not at all, no. Oh, good. What happens on Halloween, as you may know, is this is the night of the year when your vampires and your Frankenstands and your mummies and whatnot feel really safe walking around amongst us,
Starting point is 00:05:17 oh, right out in the open. A lot of time they try to disguise themselves as whatever else, but this is a night when they come right out and they do it. And I'll tell you what, we got a surprising number of, not only do they walk around in the open, but they have the nerve to ring your doorbell. So brazen.
Starting point is 00:05:36 And ask you for things. Anything. Anything. And you wouldn't think we'd get any trick or treaters at an abandoned Bed Bath & Beyond that I've turned into a state grifter. Right. Well, you'd be surprised. We had a number of them and most of them was monsters. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:05:53 I was up half the night dispatching them and then disposing of them. Ever just consider the idea of like a doormat trap door so there's almost like a factory assembly line up. It's sort of feeling to it. They just come on, ding-dong, the doorbell triggers the consider the idea of like a doormat trap door. So there's almost like a factory assembly line that sort of feel into it. They just come on ding dong, the doorbell triggers, the trap door, they fall into a spiky pit of wooden stakes or holy water. I was gonna say, yeah, this ain't gonna kill them.
Starting point is 00:06:18 Well, if it's a two story bed bath and beyond, which there are some. It doesn't happen to me, but there are. And you could lure them to the escalator. Okay, I see. That could act as a sort of trap door. Okay, yep, that's true. Well, I like these ideas.
Starting point is 00:06:36 I'm gonna get working on all of it. But it's not a bad idea to get them all in one place. Well, I don't know. No, I'd rather take them one at a time. I have to think about it. Okay, so you killed a lot of monsters last night. I killed, let's see here. You're working hard.
Starting point is 00:06:51 The ones that came to the door and then I did get on the horse and went out. And then we, yeah, I went to, I took myself out to, what you called, Angeles Heights. Do you know the Angeles Heights? You mean the flight, the Angel angel? No, it's a, it's a neighborhood where they've got the house from the thriller video and there's lots of old Victorian houses there. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:12 It's a real trick or treating destination. And man, I saw so many monsters. Oh my God. Now were they big? Like your height? These monsters were real small, small monsters. And you're sure Real small monsters. Oh no. Yeah, yeah. And you're sure those were monsters? Oh, no doubt about it. Okay. I don't wanna question your...
Starting point is 00:07:32 I'll tell you what, I'll tell you something amazing. A lot of the time you'll say to somebody, you know, that you suspect of being a vampire, are you a goddamn vampire? And they'll say, what do you mean? No, I'm not. Last night I had multiple people say, that's right. I mean, they just go right ahead and say, yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:48 Asking for it. Yes I am, that's right. You got it. Yep. Well, you have no choice at that point. At that point you have no choice. They basically taunted you into it. So, and not only that, but man, all kinds of crazy shit
Starting point is 00:08:01 like aliens and stuff like that. I've seen all kinds of stuff last night. What section of the Bed Bath and Beyond do you live in? Kind of crazy shit like aliens and stuff like that. I've seen all kinds of stuff last night. I put on. What section of the Bed Bath & Beyond do you live in? Oh, well what happened was the Bed Bath & Beyond business, they went out of business. They had taken on too many things. They should have just stuck to the bed or the bed,
Starting point is 00:08:16 let alone the Beyond. But they, the whole. Hubris. Yep, that's what it was. Yep. So they've gone, driven themselves out of business. And now the one on Foothill in Pasadena, that's vacant. And I've just moved in there and now I'm operating a steak house out of there.
Starting point is 00:08:31 Oh, that's right. I remember hearing about that. Yeah, it's a long story. We tried to get a legitimate Ponderosa Bonanza steak house going, but that fella from Fat Brands said, took real issue. And this is for real. We had a phone call with fat brands. Fat brands is a, is a restaurant chain concern and they have ownership over Ponderosa Bonanza. It's up to them. Where do you put one?
Starting point is 00:08:55 Oh, are there still Ponderosa restaurants? No, we're near the actual Ponderosa, but yes, there ain't a one west of the Mississippi. That's not right. Not one in the west. OK, well, because they're trying to recreate, it's like having Disneyland in Paris. I mean, they're just trying to give those people some Disneyland culture.
Starting point is 00:09:17 Yeah, maybe they figure putting a Ponderosa steakhouse in the west would be like putting a Disneyland in Disneyland. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a hat on a hat. It's a hat on a hat. But I say Jefferson in Paris, too. It's like that. It's like Jefferson Disneyland. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a hat on a hat. It's a hat on a hat. But I say- Jefferson in Paris too. It's like that. It's like Jefferson in Paris?
Starting point is 00:09:28 It is, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Sleeping with a lot of French ladies. That's right. I'm guessing. I don't know. I don't want to cast aspersions on a man, but I'm just assuming that's what happened. Midnight in Paris is like that.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Yeah. That's what it's like. It's like springtime in Paris. Yeah, there you go. I knew there was some more. Plaster of Paris. Oh yeah, that'll work. Paris from Romeo and Juliet. Yeah, exactly. It's like springtime in Paris. Yeah, there you go. I knew there was some more. Plaster of Paris. Yeah, that'll work. Paris from Romeo and Juliet. What does he do?
Starting point is 00:09:48 Taylor has a friend who knows all about Shakespeare. Oh, well, Paris. I mean, he's often confused with the prince. Depends on what kind of edit you want to do. If you want to get expedient and get that monologue done real quick in the beginning, either go Paris or the prince. But, yeah. Wait, what do you mean?
Starting point is 00:10:03 There's two different characters who play the same? Well, it depends on the edit. But yeah. Wait, what do you mean? There's two different characters who played the same. Well, it depends on the edit you're doing. So sometimes they could, they, the edit will, uh, let's, let's, let's assume classic first folio. Okay. Okay. All right. Fine. Fine. I'm trying to remember. This episode had some Shakespearean undertones. Yes it does. Oh, that's right. And some wardrobe.
Starting point is 00:10:26 You paid attention to, I don't, I can't see all the details. Yeah, no, I know. I have questions. I also have questions about the actual plot. Let's get to it. I do too. Shit. Yeah, we should get into it. I forgot all about that. We was here to talk about it. Can I open my drink? Oh, your slits? Let's open our slits. Okay. Ready? Here we go. Yeah. Oh, 10, 10 AM slits. I can't believe we waited so long to open our Schlitz. Morning Schlitz. Schlitz in Paris. My goodness. Well, it is a treat to have somebody here who knows what the hell's going on.
Starting point is 00:10:53 Yeah. Man oh man. Yeah. Now, I'm afraid to even ask you because I'm afraid the answer is going to be no, but do you watch the episodes of Bonanza that we're talking about? Well, okay. I'm going to tell you that God's honest truth. All right. I have a little bit of an allergy to Westerns.
Starting point is 00:11:11 What in the world? Hear me out. Hear me out. Hear me out. All right. When I was a child, I was really into the Twilight Zone. Okay. But as soon as I see a tumbleweed come across that screen in black and white, I'm out of it. What? That's horrible. Right. There's something, but as I've grown older, I think- Wait that's what is horrible. Right. I just there's something.
Starting point is 00:11:25 But as I've grown older, I think I don't understand what they have to do to the Twilight Zone because any time of Twilight Zone took place in the old West. They say to tumbleweed through. I'm just saying it wasn't my cup of. Oh, my friend Mac Corley. He told me about this, too. He he would have the same feeling like, oh, boring. Oh, no. Here we go. Slow as hell.
Starting point is 00:11:43 I mean, I don't agree with that. But I have seen a couple of episodes of Bonanza. You know it's in full color. Yes, I do. There's colors in Bonanza that do not exist in the real world. They do not exist. It's ultraviolet.
Starting point is 00:11:58 The pancake makeup is downright orange. Oh yeah. Oh, it's downright pancake batter. Yeah, it's batter. Yeah. Actual pancake. You can see the lumps. batter. Yeah, it's batter. Yeah. Actual pancake. You can see the lumps. You got to throw out the first one.
Starting point is 00:12:07 Yeah. Sometimes poor actors have blueberries on their faces. But man, I tell you, they could not sell a color TV in this country. Everybody said, you got color TV? No, thank you. I'm not interested. And then they said, well, how about this? And they told them about the names.
Starting point is 00:12:23 And now everybody ran out and got a color TV right away. So that's beautiful. Well, all right, I'm glad you've seen some of it. And I understand some young people don't understand the glory of Westerns takes a little while. But yeah, you see more? Yeah, I'm not young, but I'm coming around. And I did enjoy this.
Starting point is 00:12:43 You're as young as you'll ever be. How about that? There you go. I did enjoy this episode. It was a damn good one. I have some questions. I have one major question. I'll bet you we have the same. I bet we do. This episode has everything. It is episode 18 of the second season. It's got gunfire. It's got stunt men who fairly closely resemble the people they're trying to double. It's got a love who fairly closely resemble the people they're trying to double. It's got a love interest for Ben Cartwright,
Starting point is 00:13:08 question mark, plus the most intricate plot ever on an episode of Bonanza, I would say. And most of all, what it has is a Batman. Oh my God. Guest star Adam West. As soon as I saw him, I gotta say, even from the long shot, I was like, that's Adam West and I am excited.
Starting point is 00:13:25 It's unmistakable Lego hair. You know what I mean? Oh. It really is incredible. He is good in this, I tell you. He's good and so handsome. Real handsome. So handsome.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Absolutely. And I don't wanna get ahead of myself. I don't think this is spoiling anything. No, it's fine, go ahead. But his first speech, he says the word citizen. Oh my God. Like Batman, And I was so tickled. Oh, I didn't even realize. It made my day. A little glimpse of Batman in there. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Yeah. I'll also say, when he and that lady get to kissing, you ain't seen kissing like that. No. They really go for it. He's really, he's putting little kisses on her neck and on her ear. Yeah. And it's really, he's putting little kisses on her neck and on her ear. And it's, if things get steamy. Very soon. You never saw, um, Batman or, um, Or Robin. You never see Batman and Robin get to kissing like that. No, I think that was off stage. No, you should have. Yeah. No, I just completely blanked on, um, no Batman's alter ego.
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Starting point is 00:15:16 Starring Sterling K. Brown, James Martin, and Julianne Nicholson, Paradise is streaming January 28th only on Disney Plus. All right. I like, I'm gonna tell you a few things about the day this episode aired, which was January the 21st, 1961. It was a day after the inauguration of John F. Kennedy to be the president of the United States. How'd that turn out? Well, it's still going.
Starting point is 00:15:41 It turned out good. This day, the second, the day, his first full day in office, all people all over the country are walking around going, what can I do for my country? What can I do for my country? What can I do in my country? Remember, cause that's the speech that he said that. Yeah, that's right. Don't ask what can your country do for you? Nobody asked that question. It's sort of defensive, don't you think? Don't ask what I can do for you. Really? Aren't you the president? It's kind of like, you come to me. It's your responsibility as soon as you get in office.
Starting point is 00:16:07 You ask yourself what you can do for me. Yeah. Yeah. That was a powerful message. A lot of Republicans walking around that day going, what can my country do for me? Defiantly. Yeah. I guess that's true. That's a two-party system. Well, he got his. Well, do you think he spent his first day in office watching Bonanza?
Starting point is 00:16:25 Well, it was a Saturday. Yeah, he must have. Yeah, they're around the White House TV. Like an early feed or something like that. I remember President Johnson put in three TVs so he could watch all three major newscasts at once. How is that possible? And then, you know, Elvis Presley said, that's what I want.
Starting point is 00:16:43 Is that true? It's true. In the jungle room at Graceland, they've got the three TVs because he knew that Johnson had it. And he said, well, if Johnson is monitoring all three channels at once, shouldn't Elvis? Elvis was a big current events kind of guy? Well, they want to be up on top of foreign affairs?
Starting point is 00:16:58 I'm not sure what was on all three of those TVs. I'm surprised he can go for a fourth to top them, like PBS or like a local channel or something like UHF. Yeah. Well, one was just for shooting. Is that true? Did he, did he shoot his television set? You guys are cowboys. I believe Elvis did shoot several of his television sets over the years. Yeah. Uh, but, but was I going to say, my reckoning is that probably JF Kennedy had three televisions all tuned into Bonanza.
Starting point is 00:17:25 I'll bet you in 1962. Do you also know, I'm sure you don't, the major significant event that occurred on the inauguration of John F. Kennedy? I'll tell you what, I found an article. It wasn't the coat check riot, was it? No, I don't know about that. It could be, but it's close. You're in the ballpark.
Starting point is 00:17:45 I found an article called John F. Kennedy and the death of the top hat. Prior to John F. Kennedy, every president of the United States was inaugurated whilst wearing a top hat. John F. Kennedy was the first one to say, no thank you. And he did have a top hat as part of his outfit that day, but he took it off and he was not
Starting point is 00:18:05 inaugurated in the top hat. And from that point forward, no president was ever inaugurated in the top hat. Now they didn't give him hell like they did Barack Obama for wearing a beige suit. Oh, I'm sure they did give him hell. They did give him hell. As a matter of fact, I don't believe I've ever seen anybody ever posit that it could be the top hat manufacturers that killed him. Oh, who would be angrier?
Starting point is 00:18:31 And they wouldn't even eat a grass, you know, they just stand on one of those top hats. They get a perfect aim, right? They could hide in a goddamn top hat and shoot them. I know. Cause like you've seen movies where there's a little door that opens in like a cuckoo comes out of a top hat or something like that. But it could be a little sniper cuckoo or something. That would be kind of cute if not so deadly. Right. I think he, pardon my Yiddish, but I think he just is the first president who had a nice
Starting point is 00:18:53 punum. He had a nice face. Why hide it underneath a big top hat? And nice hair too. I think America deserves to see this face. I think that's it too. And you're right about the hair. He's very good. Nice hair. Really nice hair. I think thick head to see this face. I think that's it too. And you're right about the hair. He's a nice hair. Really nice hair.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Right. Cause who was he following? Eisenhower. Eisenhower. Oh, see he's like, he's, he's showing off. Yeah. That's right. He's like, look at me and my hot wife. Yeah. Come on, we're not wearing hats. After that, the top hat was just the domain of a magician's
Starting point is 00:19:23 and even then only because they couldn't think of another hat you could fit a rabbit in. Right. I know, why's there never a cowboy? Maybe horses hat. I know, I was just thinking a 10 gallon hat, you could get 10 bunnies in there. If it was up to me, every magician would have become
Starting point is 00:19:35 a country magician from that point forward, rather than 10 gallons. I'm a country and western magician. I do country western magic. What is the, what do the gallons mean? I've never known that. Well you ought to be able to take a 10 gallon drum of oil and empty it into your hat. That's all. Is that true?
Starting point is 00:19:56 Are there three gallon hats? Sure. Or only 10 gallon hats? When you go to buy a cowboy hat they'll ask you how many gallons. How many gallons? And you have to think about, well what am I likely to need to pour into my house? And, uh, yeah, I just have a one gallon head. And then in England, their leader hats.
Starting point is 00:20:14 England, oh, they don't have the gallon in England. And they don't have cowboy hats in England. So it's not a going concern. They, but they, man, you could get a lot of oil in one of them beef heater hats. Oh yeah. That sons of bitches wear at the Buckingham Palace. Yep. All right. Also, Exodus was the number one movie. For a while there, it went Spartacus, Exodus, Spartacus, Exodus. But this week it was Exodus, which by the way, I tried to watch. I know we're already taking too much up, but I'm gonna tell you just an advisory.
Starting point is 00:20:45 If you ask Jeff Bezos to please let you see a movie from his website, he will say, that's fine. It's $3.89. But when you start watching it, you only got 48 hours to watch it. That's right. And then it turns into a pumpkin. And that movie is almost 48 hours long. Well, that was the problem. I said 48 hours. No problem. It's just a movie. Right. It's a three and a half hour long movie. Oh, is it? And it's not like it doesn't fly by.
Starting point is 00:21:17 So like this episode. Yeah, right. I got just a little past the intermission and then I tried to go back to watch it again. You know, I'm watching it in little pieces here and there. I'm digesting it. I'm thinking about, does Paul Newman really look Jewish? I have to think about it all through the film. And then I get a little past the intermission and it tells me, you need to rent it again. I've never had that happen. It happened to me. I said, fuck you. If I want to know what happened when the,
Starting point is 00:21:45 the Jewish people founded the state of Israel, I'll pick up a newspaper. Yeah. That's that's criminal. Paul Newman, by the way, especially with what's going on in the world. You wouldn't think, yeah, let you finish watching Exodus. Exactly. With what's going on in the world, Jeff Bezos, let us watch Exodus. Free Exodus. Let my let us watch Exodus. Yeah. Free Exodus. Let my people go watch Exodus. So Paul Newman's in it.
Starting point is 00:22:08 Paul Newman is in it. Any other people? Yeah, Sal Migno won some awards for it and then there is other people in it. Okay. But- It's not just a two man Exodus. It's not, there's others.
Starting point is 00:22:18 No, as a matter of fact, there's a lot of people in it. It's really easy, just follow me to the end. Two people could get out of just about anywhere. Edward Albee's Exodus. Paul Newman, his mother was not Jewish, but his father was, and he considered himself Jewish all his life. Did you know that? No, I did not. I never knew that about Paul Newman. I think I knew he was half Jewish from the Adam Sandler song. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:22:42 Oh, yeah, that's right. But I don't think I ever let it sink in. And he, whatever he was, he was the most handsome man who's ever been, I'm gonna say it. Okay, all right. We just recently watched Hopper. Hopper? Hopper, Harper, Hooper. Hooper. Hooper.
Starting point is 00:23:01 Hooper? Hooper, yeah. With Burt Reynolds? No, then it's not, it's Harper. Harper. Harper. The movie with. Hooper. Hooper? Hooper, yeah. With Burt Reynolds? No, then it's not, it's Harper. Harper. The movie with. Hooper. With Paul Newman. Harper, Paul Newman, Harper Valley PTA.
Starting point is 00:23:12 No, it's not a great movie. No. He's like a detective, but he's kind of a, he's like a private eye. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, doesn't matter, right? Yeah, anyway.
Starting point is 00:23:22 Doesn't have to be good. Paul Newman. No, he's so handsome and charming and wonderful. Yeah, charming and Yeah. Anyway, doesn't have to be good. No, he's so handsome and wonderful. Yeah. Private eye. I'm in. Yeah. Yep.
Starting point is 00:23:28 I agree. Number one country song, North to Alaska by Johnny Horton holding firm as is the number one song in the country. Wonderland by night by Bert Kamford and his orchestra. No change from last week. Okay. Bert Kamford's got the mad hits. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:42 I heard you. I never knew what that lyric was until I heard the last episode. Now you know, he went from entertaining German soldiers during World War II on their U-boats to having all the hits. Wait, he entertained German soldiers? Oh yes. Oh, you mean Nazis?
Starting point is 00:24:00 Oh, yes. Okay, let's not mince words. Yeah, that's right. Well, then, born on this day, the celebrity who was born on the day this episode aired, Kevin Kramer, Senator from North Dakota. How about that for a celebrity? All right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:20 He's got all the good regular, normal American positions on all the issues. He says the uptick in mass shootings is the fault of the legalization of abortions. Oh, wait, that's what our new House speaker also believes. Yeah, people keep telling me I look like him and it does not feel good. It's just the glasses. Well, yeah, it might also be my political beliefs, but yeah. All right. Did the Senator ever be entertained by Burt Kemfert on a U-boat? It's possible. He understands that the climate isn't changing, does Kevin Kramer, and he says, it says on his thing there that he's anti-gay marriage, but I looked into it. He is fine if a gay person wants to get married. He just says they shouldn't get married to another gay person.
Starting point is 00:25:07 You know what I mean? If you're a gay man, he says go ahead and get married to a woman. You know what I mean? He's not against gay marriage at all. He'd love to get married. Well, you know what? That's not fair then. He's been maligned. He takes a good center position on that. He seems great. Yeah. All right. Should we get into some fun facts about people that- Please, please.
Starting point is 00:25:28 ... involved in this episode? Yes, yes, yes. This was, I couldn't find out much about the director, because I say to myself, I think this episode was so well written and so well directed. Sometimes I skip over those people, but I want to know. Couldn't find too much out about Alvin Ganser. He directed a movie called The Girls of Pleasure Island. Sounds pretty good. And he also directed, and now I watched a whole episode of this for some
Starting point is 00:25:50 goddamn reason, a show called Man Undercover starring David Cassidy as an undercover cop. What? Is this Posts? Yeah, 1978. Marker's Family? It only had one season, 1978. And the pilot episode, by the way, he is undercover infiltrating a high school as a narco. Oh, he's drugs. So it's 21 Jump Street. It is 21 Jump Street. Absolutely it is.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Is he convincing as a high school kid? Well, he didn't look like a high school kid when he was a high school kid. Well, no, he's more convincing as a high school kid than almost anything else he does in this show because he's trying to mix in with hard scrabble Los Angelino drug cake pens. No. 1978 Los Angelino, I might be in this. You might have to check it out. What's it called again?
Starting point is 00:26:31 Man Undercover. The opening credits. Oh shit, now we're going to watch that. I will tell you while you're looking for this. He's too pretty for that sort of role, it seems. Well, tell it to Johnny Depp. Oh. Well, Johnny Depp, yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:42 Yeah, but he's tough. Samsung TV now doesn't give you the option when you turn on your TV to get anything but Samsung TV, which in itself has multiple channels, right? Okay. You can't buy that. Same thing. Yeah. I can't.
Starting point is 00:26:55 You have to watch Samsung TV. Like you won't just go to his app store or anything. Like it comes on to Samsung TV. So the best you can do is set which Samsung TV channel you want. Oh, okay. And I have set the 21 Jump Street channel, where they are 24, 7, plenty of old episodes of 21 Jump Street.
Starting point is 00:27:11 And that's at least interesting. Do you ever get a Grieco by mistake? Well, he was on there before he spun off, so you do get Grieco. Oh, that's right. Grieco on purpose. Yeah. Right. Grieco on purpose.
Starting point is 00:27:23 All right, here we go. This is the- Wait, is that Susan Day? I don't know. I just want to show you the very strange opening credits to Man Undercover starring David Kessedy. Oh, he's walking in silhouette or whatever you call it. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Oh my god! Oh my god! This is state of the art animation? This is...erotic feelings. Look at him, handsome fellow. Wasn't his name already on it? Yeah. David Cassidy, Man Undercover starring David Cassidy. Here's why, that's the only other guy that's in it.
Starting point is 00:28:13 Oh yeah, it is not David Cassidy at his most high school rookie. That's true. Wendy Rastatcher. Wendy Rastatcher. Please don't end it. I saw you almost end it. You want to see it through the end? These graphics.
Starting point is 00:28:24 That's it, that's all I get. Wow. Let's attach her. Please don't end it. I saw you almost end it. You wanna see it through the end? These graphics. That's it, that's all I get. Wow. Driving a Pontiac. Yep, so that's good. We know what Matt Taylor's gonna watch now.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Some of it's on YouTube. So what was the connection to this episode? Oh, the director directed it. Oh. Good question. Okay, sometimes I get lost in the threat. All right, the writer of this episode only had a four year writing career
Starting point is 00:28:49 and he lived until 2016 for heaven's sake. I couldn't find, cause his name is Richard Newman and that's too common a name. I couldn't find out what this man's story is. That's all I have to say about that man and it frustrated me. All right, he did write- He didn't even write more than one Bonanza?
Starting point is 00:29:06 No, he wrote only the one Bonanza. Wow. I know. Such a good episode. He wrote, there was a show called The Rebel which followed the story of a former Confederate army private after the end of the Civil Wars. He helped settlers threatened by villains.
Starting point is 00:29:19 So this is a traveling good guy who had fought for the Confederates. Complicated. Complicated. So when he's helping people, is it to say like, I'm helping good Southern traditionalists? It sounds like that singer from the one week song. Oh yeah, Burt Kenford. Yeah, it's like a Burt Kenford. These are complicated stories.
Starting point is 00:29:41 These people lived in complicated times. John McIntyre played Sheriff Michael Latimer. This is a fine performance. Boy, he's good at this, isn't he? Yeah. He's in a movie that I love. What is that? Cloak and Dagger. Oh, with Debany Coleman and J. Henry Thomas.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Oh my God, I remember that movie. That's right. He plays, I don't want to reveal it, but there's a twist for this guy's character. In Bonanza. Oh, well, yes. And in Cloak and Dagger too. Cloak and Dagger. He plays an old, sweet old man. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:30:11 Oh boy. Well, I don't want to say too much. Oh boy. Maybe not so sweet, it sounds like. Oh, that movie's something. This guy was fantastic. He was a, he replaced Ward Bond on Wagon Train after Ward Bond Bond died and he replaced Charles Bickford on the Virginia After Charles Bickford died. It just seems like it's just waiting if you're making a TV show in your lead actor
Starting point is 00:30:33 They call you up and they say he can't make it in today. He died Yeah, you call on John the McIntyre was he ever arrested for poisoning or tripping anyone? Or it just seems a little. That's true. I mean a little convenient. Why arrest him? You know what I mean? Who was originally cast in Cloak and Dagger?
Starting point is 00:30:52 How did he get the part? Right. Am I right about that by the way? Cause I. You want me to look it up? Well, if you're there, don't worry about it. Where, where, where? If I'm where?
Starting point is 00:30:59 I'm on the internet. I'm on the internet already. Cloak, Dagger, McIntyre. How about that? Will that do it as an internet search? I should ask. I remember that Dagger, McIntyre. How about that? Will that do it as an internet search? I should have. I remember that movie from when I was a kid. I think I saw it a million times.
Starting point is 00:31:10 I don't remember anything about it now, but I remember it that and Darryl. Oh yeah. Being big part of my childhood. John McIntyre as George McCready. Yeah. Okay. He's in it. You're right.
Starting point is 00:31:20 We should cover that movie sometime. He was also, he played the sheriff in psycho. Oh, yes. I knew that's right. We should cover that movie sometime. He was also, he played the sheriff in psycho. Oh, yes. I knew that's right. He was also in Turner and Hooch and he Cloak and Dagger and Turner and Hooch. He was also in a movie called a lion is in the streets. He killed that dog and Turner and Hooch because he wanted the role. He wanted the role.
Starting point is 00:31:40 That's why the dog was supposed to die. Yeah. Oh man. And he was in all the good shows, Fantasy Island, Love Boat, Incredible Hulk, Different Strokes. And do you care to guess how old he was in this episode? Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:31:52 So he was the sheriff. He's the sheriff. Boy, oh boy. 43. I don't know. I'll say he was 49. Okay, very interesting. He's 54 years old. 54.
Starting point is 00:32:07 I thought he looked as a, I would get, he could be any real old craggy. He's a craggy authoritarian. I was just going by Bonanza ages. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know. You know, I thought he'd be tricked. Nope. Jennifer was played by Suzanne Lloyd.
Starting point is 00:32:21 She is, unlike most people on Bonanza, still alive. Whoa. She's 88 years old and still out there, but she retired from acting 48 years ago. Whoa. Yeah. She's in a Twilight episode called Perchance to Dream. Twilight Zone episode?
Starting point is 00:32:36 That's what I mean. Perchance to Dream, which one's that? Yeah, okay. A man goes into his psychiatrist's office. He says something like, I can't sleep. Every time I do sleep, I get, there's a dancer who's trying to kill me. It's very complicated, but she put the dancer. Okay. I don't, I gotta look this up because I'm not sure if I remember that one. It wasn't
Starting point is 00:32:53 a Western, so I'm sure I've seen it. Ninth episode of the first season of the Twilight Zone. You know, would we ever do a Twilight Zone offshoot of this podcast? Because in my life, I don't want to die before I see every Twilight Zone episode. I'm with you, because I don't think I've seen every episode. Yeah, yeah. And it's one of those shows too where you've seen so many of them, but you don't know which ones you haven't seen.
Starting point is 00:33:14 Right. And so it's frustrating. Yeah. I think, was it you guys who referenced the episode where Scout swims in the- That's me, yeah. So yeah, so for years I thought I made that episode up. Oh, I get it. Because whenever I mentioned it,
Starting point is 00:33:28 no one knew what I was talking about. And have you watched it since? No. It's so weird to watch because her voice changes halfway through. She gets dubbed by, is it June Foray? Halfway through. Why? It's so crazy.
Starting point is 00:33:40 I don't know, they must've lost the audio or something. Oh, okay. And couldn't get her back. You think June Foray poisoned her voice? Did she do it like Rocky's Poisoned Squirrels? Did she do it like June 4th 8 Rockies? Is it Rocky? Basically.
Starting point is 00:33:50 Yeah, Rocky the Flying Squirrel. Yeah. It is that whole thing. I think I've conflated it in my mind too because my parents were divorcing when I saw that. So like it wrapped into me somehow. Yeah, I was just wishing my parents were divorced when that was when I saw that.
Starting point is 00:34:04 That was the connection for me. Yeah, I was just wishing my parents were divorced when that was the connection for me. Yeah. And then we got all... My parents, I mean my friend Matt Gourley, I have a weird tic. It's very strange. He often confuses himself. I'm wondering if it's like a fight club situation with him
Starting point is 00:34:17 where like he's both people. Except it's the opposite where Mutt, the cool guy, has imagined a pretty nerdy dork who can show him the ways on how to just sort of have a, uh, just a, a fearful, normal, quiet life. Why would anyone dream that up? My alter ego knows about Twilight. So it's called club fight.
Starting point is 00:34:42 That's interesting. I'd like to see a Walter Mitty where the fantasies are all just, I do my taxes on time, I put out the coupons, I save money. It's actually called Reconciliation Club, where you just make amends for things. That's all you do. You just solve treaties and things like that. He's an expert at conflict resolution. Yes.
Starting point is 00:35:05 That's good. Conflict aversion club. Conflict aversion club. Now we got to talk about the actor who played Frank Milton was god damned Adam West. Whoa. Batman once in line for James Bond. Is that true?
Starting point is 00:35:19 Yeah. Back in the day. An American James Bond? James Brolin and Burt Reynolds too. James Brolin screen tested. You can watch it. No, I don't approve of any of what you've just said. Yeah, I don't either.
Starting point is 00:35:30 But I think Adam West would have been good. He was, yeah, for Diamonds Are Forever was the movie. But was he gonna do it with a British accent? I'm not so sure about that, but I think a lot of these were bluffs by the producers. Like, for instance, James Brolin, I think, was like, let's not get too hasty. Roger Moore. You know, we got James Brolin. Roger Moore is asking for more money. Probably. Roger Moore money from me.
Starting point is 00:35:54 More money. Frankly, give it to him. He deserves it. God damn right. Well, do you ever see Adam West in his Nestle Quick commercial? You're about to. This is excited. This was a commercial that made the producers of Batman say, I bet you he'd be a good Batman. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's the thing
Starting point is 00:36:10 that made Albert Broccoli say, hey, maybe he'd be okay with James Bond too. Okay, we're gonna go wide full screen on it. And look, he's a handsome fella. He is so handsome. So young. All right, here we go. Adam West telling us about Nestlequick.
Starting point is 00:36:29 I see automation displaces labor in your organization too, Dr. Sloan. Ah, Captain Q. Join me in a glass of delicious chocolate quick, will you? Thank you, doctor. I could use some energy. Incidentally, one of those torpedoes you fired at me was circling and you're sunk. To the loo! Get! Thank you! Some people will do anything to get rich quick. Adorable. So good. That's what, what year would that have been? Early 60s? Oh golly. Because the quick tin and packaging did not change all the way through to my childhood.
Starting point is 00:37:11 No, that's true. That's what it looked like when I had it. This isn't telling me what year it was, but surely it was, yeah, I mean, Batman was 1966, so it was early. I used to put so much quick to the point where the milk I put in couldn't possibly. It was just absorbed. It was like quick creep. It just became a sludge because there wasn't enough liquid to absorb.
Starting point is 00:37:35 Pull it out on a spoon. Yes. Oh my gosh. Well, looking at that can of powdered chocolate reminds me, I used to just put the spoon in there and just do it. Oh yeah. and it was too dry to do that. Then you'd cough it all up. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:48 Yeah. And there's strawberry crick and you'd have to pry it open with the spoon. Oh, that's right. Love that top, that metal top. Oh man, oh man. It's almost as good as a slicks. And then banana quick at the end there too. What?
Starting point is 00:37:59 Ew. Banana quick. No, thanks. No, thank you. I like my bananas nice and slow. There's also, I'll play you this as long as we're tooling around and talking about ol' Adam West. He had Batman recorded a song and I'll play it for you. This is a time in American history when characters like Spock and so forth would record songs. This looks like an ad they want us to watch. Oh, we don't want to watch that.
Starting point is 00:38:26 I surely don't, but... Alright. I have an ad blocker on, and it means I don't see the ads, but I hear them. That's weird. I don't know. Here we go. Will tonight be the night
Starting point is 00:38:38 that Bruce reveals himself to the magnificent Miranda. I've never met a girl like you before, Miranda. Miranda. And I'd do anything for you if you just ask. Miranda. Ask me to do anything for you, Miranda. Sexy.
Starting point is 00:39:06 It's B slash W. B slash what? Fight with? It's against the code of heroes. He won't take off his mask. He'll take off everything else. That's right. He's gonna take off his mask.
Starting point is 00:39:22 You think he leaves his gloves on? Maybe. What if his little wee-wee has a mask on? Does his little wee-wee also have that stutter step way of talking? You got to think at some point. No, I'll take my mask off. Somebody made him a penis mask. Don't you think? I'm sure.
Starting point is 00:39:44 Well, they were apparently quite the party boys, those two. Oh, really? Is that right? They made him a penis mask. Yeah. Don't you think? A little cowl. Well, they were apparently quite the party boys, those two. Oh, really? Adam West and Burt Ward? Yeah, because Dick Grace, I mean Burt Ward wrote a book, My Life in Tights. That's right. And it was all about, I think their exploits. I didn't read it, but I remember it was like, yeah, we got a lot of action.
Starting point is 00:40:00 Oh, brother. Man, that's wild. I read that old Bruce Wayne wanted to be Batman in Tim Burton's Batman film. Tim Burton got in touch and said, hey, why don't you play Batman's father who gets killed in an alleyway? And he said, you must be confused. I ought to be playing Batman. And Tim Burton said, no. I mean, why would you want to have to train somebody like Michael Keaton to learn how to be a Batman? When he already knew.
Starting point is 00:40:26 You got a man who knows how to do the- Adam West was already like, I've got- he could have brought his own costume. Of course. His own girdle. His own utility belt. Would have been perfect. With his own bat grappling hook on there and everything. He died.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Even in Christopher Nolan's Batman, he should have been Batman. Oh. I know. So dark. That would have been great. A nice turn. Wouldn't it have been good? A been Batman. Oh, I know. So dark, that would have been great. A nice turn. Wouldn't it have been good? A bald Batman. Have we ever seen an aging Batman?
Starting point is 00:40:50 Well, apparently in the Flash, right? Yeah, Michael Keaton's in that, but there was a famous four-issue comic book series in the 80s called The Dark Knight Returns, which was based on an older Batman having to suit up one last time. It's real good. Oh, yeah? Yeah, and they've never... I think they've flirted with getting back to that in the movies, but that's what they should do.
Starting point is 00:41:09 Yeah. And they should do it. It's not going to be easy, but get Adam West in it. Well, with artificial intelligence and all that now. Oh yeah. I guess so. They brought Peter Cushing back for Star Wars. Oh yeah. Carrie Fisher.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Yeah. And now... Get Adam West. Peter Cushing. They brought him back for that, and he's working all the time now. Making more money dead than alive. Yeah, he's having a great career resurgence.
Starting point is 00:41:33 And he's doing some live stuff too. It's incredible. Yeah, he's out there doing plays and stuff. Doing great. He introduces Roy Overson's, oh, he's playing Paris in Romeo and Juliet. Oh, okay. Yeah. He's, Yeah, it's great.
Starting point is 00:41:46 It's like a Travolta after Pulp Fiction scenario. Yeah, he boy, he squandered that, didn't he? Real bad. Isn't that a real shame? Real bad. That guy was brought back from the dead only to squander it just like George W. Bush after 9-11. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Come on. It's like getting a liver transplant and then drinking yourself to death. Yeah. It's like the two biggest squanderings in human history. Yeah. Right. Did John Travolta not do any good things after Pulp Fiction? Well, Michael. Yeah. Oh, they were big. You know, Swordfish, Michael, Phenomenon.
Starting point is 00:42:19 Get Shorty is good. Yeah. Get Shorty. Yeah. That's good. He had a few things. But now you see him now. He, Get Shorty, yeah. That's good. He had a few things, but now, you see him now, he is in those Redbox rental direct to streaming like action pulp. Wait, we forgot, maybe one of the best movies of all time. Face Off. Oh, Face Off.
Starting point is 00:42:35 I mean, Face Off is really good. Okay, yeah, it's good. I mean, it's good on a couple different levels. Oh yeah? Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen it before. You've never seen Face Off? Is it about two men who trade faces? It is. Okay. And also subplot of magnet boots.
Starting point is 00:42:49 Oh, they have magnet boots as well. Why didn't they call a movie that? Cause I'm a little more interested in that. They're going to get magnets in the boot. Well, that's pretty good. All right. Here, this is, this will drive you nuts. Batman was canceled after two and a half seasons because of low ratings, but also the rising costs of the special effects and lighting. I don't remember any special effects.
Starting point is 00:43:10 Rising costs? Wow. What? But then it says when ABC canceled the show, NBC was gonna pick it up. However, the set had already been dismantled. And that's it. Well, that's a done deal.
Starting point is 00:43:22 Can't redo that. How do you do? I can't rebuild the- We'll do it. All right, where's a done deal. Can't redo that. How do you do it? I can't rebuild it. We'll do it. All right. Where's the Batcave? Oh, we took it apart. Stricted for parts. It was made of cardboard and cost $48. We don't want to make it again. It took us almost 90 minutes to build the commissioner's office. That really breaks my heart a little bit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:43 That really breaks my heart. It's maddening. They didn't have the money to rebuild the sets? I don't know, when was the last time you watched it? Cause season three does take a bit of a turn. It's just not as good. Really? I've watched it when my son was growing up.
Starting point is 00:43:55 We have it on DDD. He was a big Batman fan from the time he was basically born. It's this. I've seen all the episodes. There's a good chance I was watching Batman and eating Nestle's quick. That, yeah, eating it.
Starting point is 00:44:09 All times. Right, with a fork and knife. Yeah. Yeah, oh man. All right, well that's it. Why does all I wanna tell you about, just a couple more little guys I wanna tell you about. Ed Bailey was the sweaty clerk.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Oh no, William Mims played Ed Bailey this week. Okay, yeah. He was the founder and president the sweaty clerk, William Mims played Ed Bailey this week. He was the founder and president of a Hollywood hackers celebrity golf club and it was pretty good. And he was in all kinds of things, but that's all I wanna say. And this is the first of four bonanzas for him. But the other one I wanna tell you about is
Starting point is 00:44:38 Ned Burch was the old miner. Ned Burch is the character. Yeah, that's right. Hank Warden played him. He was a John Ford guy and a Howard Hawks guy and a John Wayne guy. He's in The Searchers. But he was widowed by his wife at 37 years in 1977.
Starting point is 00:44:56 And then he shared his house for several years with the actor Jim Beaver. They just lived together for a while. They were just roomies? The two of them with a woman named Dawn Henry, whom he and his wife had adopted as an adult. Uh oh. What is going on here? That sounds like that's bringing us back to the Senate. I mean, the House of Representatives, that guy also has an adopted old... He's an adopted adult guy
Starting point is 00:45:23 who's like 11 years younger than him. Wait, the guy that I look like or my friend Matt looks like? Yeah. That's a thing. Yeah. Adopted people is an adult. I know Gates has that. Yeah, Matt Gates has that. Also Mike Johnson.
Starting point is 00:45:34 That's my adopted son. Don't make fun of me. But they adopted them after they've become adults? I don't know. They're 11 years apart, so I don't know. Oh no. Wait, okay, hold on. All right. Now Jim Beaver, the actor who plays Ellsworth in Deadwood. That's correct.
Starting point is 00:45:50 Okay. He lived with this guy and then this guy has an adopted adult daughter that's how many years younger than him? That I don't know. Okay. This is like getting into who did Bud Court live with Groucho Marx? Groucho Marx. Yeah. And Bogdanovich, didn't he live in someone's basement? Oh, did he? Or some wells? Like Bratner's Basin or something like that. Bud Court lived with Groucho Marx? At the end of his life, yes. Oh, at the end of Groucho's life?
Starting point is 00:46:19 Bud Court is still with us. Was he of his ward? The court is still with us. Was he his ward? No, it was, it turns out to be something like Groucho Marx had a personal assistant who took over his life in nefarious ways. And as a matter of fact, she tried to marry him and Groucho had his wits about him enough to say, I don't wish to get married to you.
Starting point is 00:46:40 But then she said, why don't you adopt me as an adult? She did try that. Come on. And it was a scheme to get his inheritance. But she had befriended people like Elliot Gould and Bud Court. And Bud Court had nowhere to stay, so he moved into Groucho's house. So it was just an interesting scene there at Groucho's house toward the end. I would like to see a mini series about Groucho's house. There's a book called, what is it called? Something like Raised Eyebrows.
Starting point is 00:47:10 And they're talking about making it into a movie, I think. And it's all about, it's a guy who was Groucho's personal secretary for the last three years of his life. And it sure is interesting. Good luck with that. The Marx family estate will not agree on anything. That's why you never see any Marx Brothers movies or anything like that. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:47:27 Well, I don't know that I want to see someone play him though. That's the only thing. Oh, but it'd be easy to play Groucho Marx in this movie because he barely could talk or anything. He's just gazing into the distance. Maybe Bud Court could do it. Is Bud Court still with us? Sure.
Starting point is 00:47:42 Bud Court is still with us. You can find him at that health food restaurant on Glendale Boulevard. You can find him hitting on me in a riot aid about 12 years ago. You or Matt? I'm sorry. Look, I am not in a fight club or a reconciliation club. You can find him taking his dox and Barbra Streisand to the veterinarian. You'd think the veterinarian would come to Barbra Streisand, but nope.
Starting point is 00:48:08 That was a while ago. I imagine that dog is dead. All right. Oh, but damn it. Did I not put it in here? Jim Beaver wrote him a fan letter and he said, oh, come on out here and live with me. Oh no, he's just collecting people. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:24 Beaver shared a house whom he considered a close friend and surrogate grandfather. He became friends with Warden as a child after writing him a fan letter that sparked a lengthy correspondence between them. Oh boy. All right, well, with that out of the way, let's talk a little bit about.
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Starting point is 00:49:51 I mean we try to honor the time frame of Yes, and I want to seem presumptuous and be longer than a banana Bananas episodes feel longer That's very true. For instance, there was some time eating in this episode, right up top. We get, it starts with a fancy lady and her driver, and they're going through the Ponderosa,
Starting point is 00:50:16 and she, for no good reason, says, stop, stop the carriage. He's like, well, we have longer to go, and she says, I want to admire the scenery and discuss it with you. She could have done that from a moving carriage. She absolutely could have. She also could have just been dropped off. Yeah, she didn't need to have that scene.
Starting point is 00:50:30 We didn't lini that actor. Oh, the man. The man driving her. I know, but in this scene she learns, but it seems like she must have already known this, how very wealthy Ben Cartwright is. Right. And how much land is on the Ponderosa.
Starting point is 00:50:45 I think she knew, but when you see it, it's something else. For instance, I didn't realize how big the Ponderosa is. And I was a little overwhelmed by that big matte painting in the back. It's massive. Oh, the painting of it, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's a big matte painting. Yes, it is.
Starting point is 00:51:00 The Ponderosa's one of the largest paintings ever. They own that whole backdrop. I mean, that's a lot of money. Yeah, you're right. They painted that all the way to the ceiling of the soundstage, I'm thinking. Yeah. And they own all that, that whole painting. And then we have a thing where she gets dropped off at the Ponderosa and we get to watch him unload every one of her bags and get a tip. We get to see it all.
Starting point is 00:51:26 Yeah, that was an interesting, yeah. Yeah, they are in no hurry here in the cold open. Hoss comes along and this is where we get the big reveal. She says, well, you must be Hoss. I'm your new stepmother, Mrs. Ben Cartwright. Yep. Comic music sting credits. Well, there was a little comedy
Starting point is 00:51:42 because they were talking on either side of the horse, so he couldn't quite see her. Then they meet up. Oh. And then he gets to see her. And then, yeah, so that was a nice little bit of- A little directorial flourish. Yeah. And I know there's a twist for this character, but when she revealed herself as Mrs. Ben Carr, right, all I could think of was I was afraid for her life.
Starting point is 00:52:00 Oh, she's going to be dead. Oh, she's going to be dead. I know. for her life. Oh, she's gonna be dead. She's gonna be dead, I know. Well, so now Joe and Hoss are awestruck by her beauty. But Adam, he's more suspicious, he's more sensible. He says, Paul wouldn't go and get married and not tell us. And Paul, by the way, is out of town at this time.
Starting point is 00:52:18 He says, this doesn't add up, doesn't make sense. And the two of them are like, well, you know, now Paul, he's picked a beautiful lady and they're open to it. But sure enough, Paul comes home and them were like, well, you know, now Paul, he's picked a beautiful lady and they're open to it. But sure enough, Paul comes home and he's like, I ain't got married to nobody. What you talking about? But he kind of takes his time to even meet her. He's just like, okay, guys.
Starting point is 00:52:35 And then he goes in and has a drink. It's like, do you not want to meet the woman claiming to be your wife right away? All three of his sons is like, there's a lady upstairs who claims to be your wife. We need your input on this. And he says, let's have a drink. All right, you really want me to meet her. I guess we will. And then she comes down and she's like,
Starting point is 00:52:53 what is this a joke? That's not the man I married. That's not Ben Cartwright. What a confusion. So, so upsetting in a full different outfit. Oh, is she? Oh, in a gown and cape. You haven't- Oh, a cape. Oh, is that because they woke her up? Is that her
Starting point is 00:53:07 nighttime cape? Yeah, I guess she was taking a daytime nap with a whole outfit on. I don't know. There's a lot of clothing. Right. Because he says, well, let's not wake her up to come down here and see me, for heaven's sake. And then she comes down and I suppose what you would have worn to bed at that time, a cape. Well, a cape and like a five-ply velour dress. The sophisticated lady of the time would put on more clothes to be comfortable. More clothes for bed, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. But she says, I gave Ben Cartwright, not you, $4,000. Now I have absolutely nothing. All I have is a marriage certificate saying I married Ben Cartwright, not you, of $4,000. Now I have absolutely nothing. All I have is a marriage certificate saying I married Ben Cartwright.
Starting point is 00:53:49 So the guy's, oh, you've been duped. Yeah. Because this guy took your money claiming to be Ben Cartwright. Yeah. So Ben says, well, let's go you and me back to Crater Plain where you got married and we're going to figure this whole thing out and Haas points out, well, now that's a four day journey. A man and a woman on a four day journey together
Starting point is 00:54:07 just wouldn't look right. Inappropriate. Inappropriate, you can't do that. Fucking through the dust day and night. Yeah, right. Even if you wasn't fucking or anyone would think you was, is basically his message. So then, all three of them say let's go.
Starting point is 00:54:24 The Pilarosa Ranch can function on its own for eight days without any of these men. Do you think it was eight days? Well, it's four days there and four days back, even if they take care of their business. The amount of trouble that the CartRider run into regularly, episode to episode, I would think they would not want to leave
Starting point is 00:54:39 the Ponderosa unmanned. Yeah, I know, but they don't care. Cause there was no Hop Sing in this episode. That's true. No, none of that lady that was- No lady living above the- And for a- Mrs. Shaughnessy is nowhere to be.
Starting point is 00:54:50 Well, we have to assume she's up there waiting to get- She might've given this lady a bath, actually. Cause that's what she's up there for, is to bathe ladies. In a box. In a box. Okay. Yeah, so she might've, that might've been, that's just off screen business.
Starting point is 00:55:02 We had to see the bags getting unpacked in the tits. They didn't have time to show us Mrs. Seanlessy giving a bath to Jennifer. But now we got all four of them is gone. I think part of the reason all four of them is gone is some horniness. Some of the, you know what I mean? Yeah. They all were, they wanted to get it in her bloomers.
Starting point is 00:55:18 Yeah. And they're like, well, dad's not married to her. Maybe I can take a shot. Well, so they all, they were going to let that stop them. Oh, no, that's true. It did the same. Little Joe is making eyes. Yeah, little Joe's like. It happened before too. They've been attracted to the same before.
Starting point is 00:55:30 Yeah. Well, there's only five women in the whole state, apparently. One at a time, you know, you can only get one per episode. Well, then what happens? They arrive at a place to, oh wait, as they're riding out, you see Batman lying in waiting in the rocks, looking real evil, doesn't he? They do stop to regard the land at some point. Again, you cannot do it in motion. You have to stop. And Ben says, it's not what a man has that's important, it's how he got it and what he does with it that really counts. And then she asks, well, how'd you get all this? And the answer is hard work, big dreams,
Starting point is 00:56:06 and a willingness to fight to keep it. Yeah. I thought it was gonna be a whole anti-capitalism screed because it was so interesting. She was like kind of mad. She was like, how did you get all this? And he's like, hard work. Other people work hard.
Starting point is 00:56:19 She did say that. Yeah, and then Haas says, well, other people don't have the dreams of my dad. And I was like, Hmm, that sounds like some privilege right there. I don't know. Sounds like there's a little more to that story. Yeah. I don't think we quite do know how it is that Ben Carpenter got all that land. I think we do.
Starting point is 00:56:36 What's on the land? He killed his rich wives. Yeah. Right. It's the size of Rhode Island, they say. And he worked hard to do it. Yeah. It's not easy to kill three people.
Starting point is 00:56:46 I really have to go see a man about a horse and then pee. Oh really? Yeah, keep going. Oh okay. It's fine. Really? Should we keep going while you pee? Bring the mic in with you.
Starting point is 00:56:57 The cable's not long enough. Oh damn it, alright. This is unprecedented. Mutt Taylor's gonna pee. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. No, it's quite alright. I'll be right back. Well maybe Mutt has to pee, but Matt'm sorry, I'm so sorry. No, it's quite all right. I'll be right back. Well, maybe Mutt has to pee, but Matt could come in.
Starting point is 00:57:07 Who's Matt? Oh, oh, interesting. Oh, there you go. That would be interesting. No, they haven't. All right, well, so now, okay. They sit, they find themselves at a place where you can give your horse some water.
Starting point is 00:57:19 It's like, old miner lives out there. Yeah. This fella. And he's got two good lines there. I like it when they talk real cowboy like he says, he says, light and set a spell. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Light and set a spell. And then he says, been traveling for quite a piece. I like that too. That's a good line. And Batman is looking on evilly while they water their horses. And then the cart rides roll out
Starting point is 00:57:43 and Batman comes in and he's a gambler. Yeah. And the miner knows him from that and he shoots that sweet old miner in the back. He shoots him in the back, but wait, there was a line I liked. Oh, you wrote something there. Yeah. Wait a second. Mm-hmm. Oh no, that's later. It's a different character.
Starting point is 00:57:58 Oh, it's later. All right. But he just for no damn reason shoots the sweetest man you ever met on this show. A delightful old miner. And then he puts down, he throws down a letter addressed to Ben Cartwright. Now, who would be in position of a letter addressed to Ben Cartwright but Ben Cartwright? It could only be that Ben Cartwright committed a murder
Starting point is 00:58:19 and then left a letter. And left his mail there. Yeah, left his mail there. Right. Why not leave your dry cleaning too, Ben? I don't understand what the premise was that Ben would have, I murder this guy, I better make it, and oops,
Starting point is 00:58:32 a whole big, huge white envelope fell out of my bag and I just left it there. What's, yeah, maybe the scenario he's dreaming up is that Ben showed up and said, hey, old miner, can you mail this letter for me, get it to the post? You can't? And then old miner said, I don't have time for you mail this letter for me? Get it to the pooch. You can't?
Starting point is 00:58:45 And then old miner said, I don't have time for that. Walked away from him in a huff and Ben shot him and then forgot all about his important letter. Yeah, couldn't have been that important. Right. I guess that's it. Well, anyway, it's a frame up job. Are y'all right now?
Starting point is 00:59:00 All right, good. We got through to Batman shooting poor old miner Ned. And then we get Ben and the Hawn. Okay, here we are in Crater Plain City, which is again, it has a beautiful painted mountainside. Beautiful. Gorgeous painting. There's a giant mural in the town.
Starting point is 00:59:19 Of what? This is what we wish our town looked like. These towns. They'repirational. A gigantic mural of snow-capped mountains. Someday. Well, Ben and Hoss are going to go talk to the sheriff and they get interrupted while talking to the sheriff by somebody's brought in Ned's body and there's a mob out there
Starting point is 00:59:41 and the sheriff arrests Ben for murder on the strength of this letter of evidence. And Hoss is gonna go get Jennifer to clear this up, because Jennifer's gonna, she surely can clear it up and save my goodness' note. But, oh, because they're here to find the imposter and all that stuff. Now we got the clerk, the sweaty town clerk, and Batman goes and visits him, right?
Starting point is 01:00:01 And he gives him some money, and we're not quite sure what the transaction's about. Right, something shaky is going on. It seems like he wants the clerk to get the town riled up about Ned or something. Well, this was the line the clerk says, I'm peaked with misery. Yeah, I'm peaked with the misery.
Starting point is 01:00:16 I mean, that's very Shakespearean. Yeah. Oh yeah. So let's say here, I don't want to tell you every single thing. And Ben, oh, Ben's playing cards, they bring in Jennifer and she says, uh, she says, what does she say? I'd never seen that man before in my life or something.
Starting point is 01:00:31 She fingers him for the murder of, of the old miner. Doesn't she basically? Yeah. She says that is my husband. Oh, she says this man here who's in the prison cell, Ben Cartwright is my husband. Here's my marriage license. Yes. I married him.
Starting point is 01:00:44 So, and he's like, what are you talking about? We came here because we've all clarified that you're not my wife. But so clearly she's on the... Now we realize she's parts of Cahoots of a Bad Plan. It's a classic case of mistaken stolen identity. Something like that. Well, now everything's terrible. All the Cartwright rights are in jail. Is that right? Oh, they're all in the jail house. No, they're not locked up. The boys promise to get to the bottom of this, and the sheriff, his commentary during that scene is great.
Starting point is 01:01:13 He says, I'm as good a listener as you're gonna find in this town, have been for years. Yeah. What are you known for? But then now they go and get the sweaty town clerk. If anybody knows who is rightly on that marriage license is the town clerk. His signature is on the marriage license. And sure enough, that son of a bitch, he also says Ben Carbright married this woman, Jennifer.
Starting point is 01:01:36 Right. But not before nervously saying, well, he was wearing fancy clothes when he got married. Maybe if I saw him, like he wants him to get all dressed up and... He doesn't seem like the most reliable. Because he doesn't want to just admit that he's, or he doesn't want to just lie outright. He's a little reluctant to lie. It seems like he'd love to have it, you get out of it, but there's no stalling.
Starting point is 01:01:54 He has to lie if he's gonna, cause otherwise Batman's gonna shoot him in the back the way he does. Shit. So now things, things that I don't know that things have ever looked this bad for Ben Cartwright. Oh my gosh. He's got everybody in town swearing up and down that he married this woman Jennifer and
Starting point is 01:02:10 shot old Ned in the minor. It's terrible. Holy crap. And everyone loves Ned, the minor, the whole town talks about him like he's favorite son. This is like the episode cliffhanger of a Batman episode in the, you know, typical two-parter. Oh yeah. Yep. This is like the episode cliffhanger of a Batman episode in the typical two parter. Oh yeah. Yep. How will the old Cartwright boys get out of this one? Same Cartwright time.
Starting point is 01:02:33 But luckily the episode goes on. Joe wants to blast Ben out of jail, but Adam says, I'm going to go talk to Jennifer. And I'm thinking, okay, that's good because he's got a way with women. He does. But he goes into that room and he's going to rough up Jennifer for being such a liar. But Batman comes in and he's got a gun on him and they take Adam's gun. And this is now things get confusing plot wise for me. Because Batman makes it seem like it's a scheme to get $10,000. What $10,000 are we talking about? I don't know. Okay. So the whole time I thought,
Starting point is 01:03:08 I thought he's going to be in jail. They're going to somehow claim she's the, I mean, I didn't think this originally, but then I thought, okay, she's the widow. They're going to move to the Ponderosa. That's why they're, they're ogling the Ponderosa. They're wapsing, they're waxing rhapsodic about the Ponderosa, But then $10,000 turns out of nowhere. I don't know what they're talking about. Who's $10,000? I don't know what the $10,000 meant. It's like they just dropped a page of, like they gave them new pages the next day. They gave them the yellow pages and then one of the pages fell out. It's like, or that happened.
Starting point is 01:03:41 It happened. Right? Yeah. It doesn. Okay. Right? Yeah. It doesn't keep the record. Or they're sitting there on the set going, oh, did he just say $10,000? We cut that. Didn't we cut that scene? Or he just ad-libbed it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:53 Oh, he just ad-libbed it. Yeah. I don't know. So I don't know what that was about. Also, Jennifer didn't know that there was going to be murder involved. Right. That's the other thing. So, Dennis, what did she think was going to happen? So, I've thought about this. Okay, good.
Starting point is 01:04:10 She did think he was going to end up in jail, Ben. Okay. But I don't know why she thought he'd end up in jail because she didn't know about the murder. She's very anti-murder. She makes it very clear she's extremely anti-murder. You shouldn't lie. Murder. So she knew he was going to be in jail, I guess, for claiming he wasn't her husband. I don't know. Maybe she just thought they're going to go into town. Everybody's going to say, yes, the two of you are married. She's going to now be in the eyes of the law,
Starting point is 01:04:37 legally married to Ben Cartwright. And maybe they'll bribe them. Maybe they'll say, give us $10,000 and I'll go away. Should we be having to do this much? No. It's a lot of magic. And I appreciate the amount of thought you've put into this. Thank you. Almost makes me think you should be the bananas
Starting point is 01:04:52 for Bonanza Dramaturge. Oh. When we come to for, you know. I will. Yeah. All right. Great, good. Somebody will tell me what a Dramaturge is later.
Starting point is 01:05:01 Now we got. It's actually, we don't use that word anymore. It's really offensive. You should not be using it. Sorry to say I'm so woke, but- No, that's good to be woke up. The boys are in the bar now and they've got a plan. What? They make a plan and they're set upon by the whole town and Adam gets hit and Haas and Joe control the whole group with their two guns and Adam revenge punches the guy that hit him But then in comes the sheriff and this shit. He's a good sheriff
Starting point is 01:05:28 I'll tell you that he can take control of situations real good And he just casually calmly takes the guns from now all the cart rides are disarmed and he's marching them over for their own Safety to lock them up in the jailhouse and they walk past another beautiful painting That's the very artistic community. It's like it's like up in the jail house and they walk past another beautiful painting. Yeah. As they walk. It's a very artistic community. Yeah. Yes. It's like, whatever, what's that city in New Mexico?
Starting point is 01:05:51 Oh, well, Santa Fe. I thought you were going to say it's like Laguna where they do pageant to the masters. Like that too, yes. Pageant to the masters. You don't know about that? You know, where they freeze in positions. The people recreate. This is something they do in Laguna down.
Starting point is 01:06:04 Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. I'd have for years. Really? And now if you want to go, it's just ridiculously expensive. Is it? Oh really? I think so. It is?
Starting point is 01:06:14 To watch a bunch of people just pose? Yeah. Okay. Human beings pose like famous painting? Yeah. And there's a background behind them and then they're costumed and they pose like that. Oh my goodness. And if you want to sit and watch a bunch of them, you got to be rich.
Starting point is 01:06:25 Okay. You got to have ponderosa money. I'm going to get myself rich and go down there and say that. That sounds weird. But now, okay, Adam manages to give the sheriff a slip. He doesn't end up in jail. He is going to go out into the street. He's going to find out what's going on with Jennifer. And so he goes lurking outside a window. I'm sorry. Can we just, I'm sorry. I know. Yeah. But can we just talk about how he gave him the slip? Cause that was such a weird scene. Yeah. Okay. The three sons go to the jail because the sheriff has brought them back to the jail. Yes. Then they do some sort of like,
Starting point is 01:07:02 I don't know, like a sleight of hand. And Adam just dashes out. Adam slips out the door and then- In full view of the guy. Yeah, and Hoss and Joe create a two-man human wall, basically, and they say, no, you gotta make a choice. You're gonna have to shoot the two of us if you wanna go chase after him,
Starting point is 01:07:19 or you could just let him go and put us in jail. That's kind of a country justice, I guess. It's like, I wanted to arrest three people, but- I got two in the hand. I got two. That's good to know. It is funny when the cartwrights are just happy to issue any law that they sort of always purport to defend. When it suits them, boy, who cares about the law? It's true. Only when they can get away with it though. You know what I mean? Yeah, they're smart. Yeah. But they do. And now, Adam is lurking outside the window and Jennifer and Batman are in there
Starting point is 01:07:54 and they're talking about evil plan business. And I guess Adam hears it, I don't know what, but man, he dives through that window, takes down half the wall of that hotel. It is the best thing I've ever seen. It crashes through the window. Amazing. Incredible. Just not a scratch on him. And lands on Batman. It's all in one move. Through the window, onto Batman. And at that point, he looks like a different man. And so does Batman.
Starting point is 01:08:22 I appreciate that the show employs so many people. Yes, because they could have had those actors do that, but they're like, we want to give other people a chance. So then they hire two other different men. Yes. Completely different hair and faces. Yes, they do not discriminate. And let them roll around on the ground. And they cut very they just don't mind cutting between.
Starting point is 01:08:42 It's the two guys in the same clothes that isn't them, and then it's the two guys that is them, and just cut back and forth several times through the scene. It worked just fine for me. And then there's a classic where there's one gun and two men and somebody's gonna get shot, and Adam overpowers Batman and shoots him. Seems like he shot him maybe in the thigh,
Starting point is 01:09:04 but either way, it's lights out. That man is dead. And Adam seems regretful. Well, I didn't think that was going to happen when I dove through the window and landed on him. I had no idea. I was just here for a reasonable conversation between two mature adults. You know how Batman's parents is killed by, depending on which version, Joe Chill or the Joker. But I like to think of this as Batman's great ancestor. And so why doesn't Batman himself take revenge on Adam Cartwright? You know what I mean? Because he's dead.
Starting point is 01:09:36 Right. Good point. My son said, like, it was so Batman at that moment that they just needed a Dutch angle. Oh, that would have been great. And the angle had needed a Dutch angle. Oh, that would have been great. Falling into place. Oh, that would have been great. Cause Adam West talks like Adam West, no matter what character he's doing. So it's just fantastic.
Starting point is 01:09:52 He sure does. But now he's dead. In this episode, we're going to have to do it, do without him. And, uh, and things do get exciting. It's not the end of the excitements because, uh, she owes you. So now Adam is dragging Jennifer over to the sheriff's office. Time for her to fess up, right? And there's a mob gathering.
Starting point is 01:10:11 Yeah, there's a mob gathering. They are going to hang all them cart rights. They're going to do it. And the sheriff is barely going to be able to stop him. Doesn't seem like he can because they love that Ned Birch so much. But now there's Jennifer explaining to the mob, hey, no, no, no. Here's what happened. I'm fessing up now. And the sheriff is about to shoot her in the back, the sheriff. And now we did get some hints along the way that Adam Batman
Starting point is 01:10:33 was taking his orders from some mysterious higher up in the scheme. It was very weird because Adam says, and then who would take over? He says to Jennifer, I don't know what made him say that. Nothing. Nothing. He had He says to Jennifer. Right. I don't know what made him say that. Nothing. Nothing. He had no reason to suspect. Completely unprompted.
Starting point is 01:10:48 Nope. But it does set up for the audience something. Yes, it does. In addition to confusion. Sometimes characters know things they don't know so that we can. But then the sheriff is about to shoot Jennifer in the back and Adam, he somehow knows it's gonna happen.
Starting point is 01:11:02 He's got a sixth sense, got eyes in the back of his head. He turns right around and he shoots down that sheriff. And then the sheriff, he uses his dying breath to, number one, showcase his glued on sideburns. And number two, confess in full to the entire scheme, which was that he was going to end up at the Ponderosa. Right. How? we don't know. Right, that all the Cartwrights were gonna be dead, she was gonna be the widow, and then he was gonna end up with the Ponderosa.
Starting point is 01:11:33 Right, so how would he know that Batman was gonna be dead? He didn't know Adam was gonna kill him. Right. Am I putting 21st century logic onto, like should I, am I doing this wrong? I think you might even be putting like 18th century logic onto, like, should I, am I doing this wrong? You might even be putting like 18th century logic on this show, which it does not hold up to. You kind of got to get at this in a 15th century form of mind. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:11:57 Yeah. Here's a question. Now, do you remember when Ben Cartwright first appears in this episode, he explains where he's been? Yeah. Do you have any recollection as to what that was? It wasn't cattle, because that's what Jennifer says. It was something else. It was something to do with trains or something like that. That flies by so fast that I think you're meant to focus on all of the plot details to the same extent that you're meant to focus on
Starting point is 01:12:22 that. You know what I mean? Yeah, and what's funny is that normally there's not enough detail in Bonanza. This one is like decided to make up for every previous episode in one. Yeah. Chalk full of twists and turns. It's like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy can't even follow it.
Starting point is 01:12:38 Right, you need to watch it again and again and again. You wanna watch Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy again and again? Surely. All right. Let's do that. He's in. Fantastic. Okay. Sometimes I watch it and I just watch the Tinker. And other times I watch it and just watch the Sailor.
Starting point is 01:12:53 Well, sometimes you get to Soldier. Yeah. Was it Tinker Tailor Soldier? You get to Soldier and then Amazon tells you that's enough for you. Oh man. You got to rent it again to get the Spy. The nerve. Son of a bitch. Yeah got to rent it again to get this buy. The nerve.
Starting point is 01:13:05 Son of a bitch. He don't have enough Jeff Bezos. He needs another $3.89 from me. You know what? I guess he worked hard and has a good imagination. Oh, that's right. Jeff Bezos worked harder and dreamed bigger. Bigger than the rest of us.
Starting point is 01:13:20 He lost three of his wives. He's got a $500 million yacht. And you say to yourself, surely it's partly so expensive because it has a helipad. No, his $500 million yacht is followed everywhere it goes by a yacht that can accommodate a helicopter. Are you serious? That's true.
Starting point is 01:13:39 He says, I don't want to put a helipad on my $500 million yacht. I want a second yacht that follows it. What can make a yacht $500 million? That's what I want to know. Microwave? Do we think it has a waterbed? I bet you it's got two microwaves
Starting point is 01:13:54 because you know how sometimes one person's heating up their coffee and somebody else is ready for lunch? You gotta have two microwaves. What if it's a $100 million yacht with 400 million's worth of gold bullion on it? You know what I mean? Would that sink it? Built into the walls. Oh, that's smart.
Starting point is 01:14:07 It might be that. We got to find out because his previous yacht was $50 million. That's quite a bump. I know. What is the difference between a $50 million yacht and a 500 million? That's true. He has a second yacht with a helipad following it. Yes, I'm afraid so.
Starting point is 01:14:21 Holy shit. Holy shit. That's crazy. I once, I tried to figure out what made a yacht a super yacht. Oh yeah. But there's no standardized measurement. There's no threshold. What threshold? Yeah. Some people say it's, oh, it's this long. And some people say it's this long, but there's no, it's, can't it be a great con? I like that you tried to get to the bottom of the question of what makes a yacht a super yacht. I know what it is. I write on game shows sometimes.
Starting point is 01:14:45 Okay. So I have to come up with. It's if a yacht wears a cape or not. Stupid. Yes. He did. He did. Adam West did put on a belt at one point and that gave me, that gave me utility belt vibes.
Starting point is 01:14:59 I'm excited about that. He was putting on his gun belt. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a grap and hook in there too. So then they just leave and we don't know what happens to Jennifer. Well, that's right. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a grappling hook in there too. So then they just leave and we don't know what happens to Jennifer.
Starting point is 01:15:07 Well, that's a good point. She's just a scammer on her own. That's a good point. She's just a grieving scammer. They either die or they fade away into the background with no explanation whatsoever. Yeah. And then they get home and they're so happy.
Starting point is 01:15:20 Oh, there's even a, what I- A little coda. I used to call it a giggle of the day when a show ends on a little joke. Oh yeah, this really even a, what I used to call a giggle of the day when a show, a show ends on a little joke. Oh yeah, this really had a sitcom ending. This had a classic giggle of the day. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:15:32 They all, they pause once again, all four of them to, to, to ponder the ponderosa. Yeah. And, and then Adam, let's see if I can replicate the joke. He says, Hey, if you ever attempted to get married and send your wife home ahead of you without telling us that you got married, don't. And they all laugh. Do us a favor. Yeah, do us a favor.
Starting point is 01:15:52 Don't. And then they all just crack up. And my computer, I mean, I was watching, what is it? Mirrored? Screen mirror to the TV. Yeah, screen mirror to the TV. And it froze at that second. So it looked like one of those old sitcoms. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:16:12 Up come the credits in the theme song with a freeze frame on them. Yeah, it was great. I don't think his joke works because Ben didn't do any of those things. You know what I mean? If you do something crazy and somebody says, hey, the next time you have a notion to do that crazy thing again, do us a favor. Don't, that's good. But if he didn't do a crazy thing.
Starting point is 01:16:30 I felt like it was a setup for a joke, and then the writers were like, I'm bushed. Yeah, I think it was. Cause it should have been Paul saying, next time I come home and you tell me there's a woman upstairs taking a bath, sleeping in the cape, who's my wife. Right. Don't. Right.
Starting point is 01:16:47 Or make sure she's not evil. See how it works. It works. That's better. Yeah. Or maybe just don't end on a joke. It's goddamn bananas. A serious business.
Starting point is 01:16:58 Yeah. Yeah, really. Got to fight to keep your land. Kind of undoes the whole episode to make light of it like that. Yeah. I mean, Adam's just killed two people. Yeah. Oh, that's just a day on.
Starting point is 01:17:08 He's just racking up the death count. Just a day in the life. That's true. He killed two people. That's right. We should have been keeping tabs. I want to know at the end of this series which one of the Cartwrights has more blood on their hands.
Starting point is 01:17:20 That's a really good... Oh, damn. Probably won't be Adam because he's not along for the show. Because he leaves. Yeah. That's true. Well, we haven. That's true. Does Ben ever kill anybody? Oh, yeah, sure. Oh, he does. They all do.
Starting point is 01:17:28 Well, I mean, aside from his wives. Yeah. He's just him getting started. Oh, okay. I think he married that third wife just to kill her. Oh, sure. She was the rich one from New Orleans. Well, he wanted a handsome kid.
Starting point is 01:17:39 Yeah. But he finally got it. I mean, I also love that they have like early sixties hairdos. I don't like favorite. Yeah. Just that I love it. He got a sour puss and then he got a freaking nature and he's like, if you ever told him, if you ever ran into husk, you mistake him for a monster.
Starting point is 01:18:03 Mistake. I've never mistaken anybody for a monster. I'm sorry. Would you consider him a monster? Well I've never mistaken anybody for a monster. Well, I'm sorry. Would you consider him a monster? Well, I've thought about it a lot. He is, I believe, a harmless giant. And so you have to monitor him carefully because he does have infinite strength. So if he was ever to turn, but we've never seen a glimmer of him being anything other than sweet natured and perfectly reasonable.
Starting point is 01:18:29 And his father brought him up right. His father says, I've got a boy with infinite strength. I need to, the burden on me to raise him correctly is all the higher. Did you want to know, did you want me to quickly set you guys straight on something? Yes, yes, this I was about to ask you about. Tell us, tell us the truth now.
Starting point is 01:18:49 Cause we had a question on a, I think a bonus pot or something like that we was talking about. Or no, it was a proper episode of the show. And Danielle is in a position to set us straight. Go ahead, tell us. Okay, so you were wondering if in Star Trek to the Wrath of Khan, if Ricardo Montalbán's chest Okay, so you were wondering if in Star Trek to the Wrath of Khan, if Ricardo Montalban's chest was real or fake.
Starting point is 01:19:10 He has a big, beautiful chest in that movie. Just a hairless, beautiful, shiny. Separated by a necklace. Yeah. And he does wear a huge necklace. So my father played Chekhov in the original series and movies. And so I actually was on set.
Starting point is 01:19:28 You were on set? I was as a child. Holy shit. I got to meet Ricardo Montavon. You did? I did. And he bent down and said to me, the sweetest man, he said, I am very mean to your father in this movie, but I just want
Starting point is 01:19:47 you to know I am just acting. And I was just like, who came Mr. Rourke? Cause I, you know, I knew him from fantasy Island. So I was super, I was just, you know, starstruck cause of fantasy Island. Of course. I asked my dad, recently. Yes, after I heard your episode, yes. Wait, oh my god, no, this is big news. I asked my dad, was that his real chest? My dad said it was 100% his real chest. Do you hear that, internet? We have the definitive proof here.
Starting point is 01:20:20 You can stop your bickering. It's his real chest as God intended and made. Wow, this is big news. He said that he's been asked that. He's been asked that. My dad's been asked that multiple times. Yep, he has. He said, I can see what you're saying though,
Starting point is 01:20:36 cause he does have a piece of bling there. That would cover up the seam of a latex piece. How old was he in that movie again? Did we look into that? We did, but I forget. Let's find out. He was in amazing shape, right? Incredible.
Starting point is 01:20:50 Who knew what he was hiding behind that white suit? I know. That whole time. Yeah. Wow. Cause it looks to me like that chest is made of Corinthian leather. Yes, fine Corinthian leather.
Starting point is 01:21:00 Fine Corinthian leather. He was born in 1920 and that movie was what, 1985 maybe? No, was it a little earlier? Yeah, it had to be earlier because the first one was like 79 or 80. So it had to be like 83 maybe. All right, so he's 63 years old. What?
Starting point is 01:21:17 Yeah, that's crazy. He looks good. Unless my dad's wrong, but no he's more. 82, he was 62 years old. Yep. Oh my God, that I know he's four. 82, he was 62 years old. Yep. Oh my God, that gives me hope. Yeah. We can all have giant pectoral muscles.
Starting point is 01:21:30 I might just do the fake chest though. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Might be easier. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, thank you, Danielle. That has made my day. Now obviously, you would have told us right off the top if your father had ever guest starred
Starting point is 01:21:41 on an episode of Bonanza. Yeah, he has not. He has not, but they were shooting it on the same lot there, Paramount, weren't they? I believe so. But this, well- Oh, right. 1967. Right, but you're right. Eventually, because the show goes on so long, eventually. Yeah, I don't know. He's, he did do a lot of, you know, before he was on Star Trek, he did a lot of, um, you know, guest starring roles, but not on Bonanza. Really? OK, interesting. Oh, wait, I want to tell you something really quick. Yes, please, please. Sorry, is it OK?
Starting point is 01:22:08 Yeah, absolutely. OK. The other day, we ran out of something to watch. My husband and my son and I. And so we were on YouTube and we were like, oh, let's watch bloopers, old bloopers of TV shows. Oh, great. Sometimes we enjoy that. So we just found something that was bloopers of 60s and 70s TV shows. And there were some right away. There were some bonanza bloopers. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:22:29 Are you saying they messed up from time to time? Well, maybe they were just having fun. Okay. But I mean, I know they're really professional and fantastic, but they did occasionally mess up. And they were, there was a lot of swearing and I just, I thought you might want to know that Mr. Blocker Dan Blocker? Threw around the C word. Oh my God. Like it was nothing. What?
Starting point is 01:22:49 Like it was nothing. What? Yeah. He was trying to remember. What? Is this right? Can you send this to us? He said, sure.
Starting point is 01:22:59 He said something to the effect of, oh, we got to get, and he couldn't remember the character's name. He's like, whatever, whatever that cunt's name is. Wow. Okay. I say please send me that link because I don't want to Google Haas and Sea World. Yeah, right. Wow. That's crazy. He just throws that word around, huh? Like they do in England. They throw it around like, wow, in England. Yeah. I never thought of that as a common usage word at that time. And then, I know, I was kind of shocked.
Starting point is 01:23:30 Maybe, I don't know. But yeah, it was, I think it was all him. It was all him messing up and all him swearing. Well, you know, we had his son Dirk Blocker on the show. I know. I would've liked to ask him about that. Yes. You contend with your dad being a filthy mouthed reprobate. I love it. If that's how he talked at work, I can only imagine
Starting point is 01:23:50 what it was like at home. Sailor's mouth. Well, all right. Well, I'd say, as I always say at the end of one of these episodes, I am sorry to tell you, this is terrible. There's- Oh, how many? Only 381 episodes left to go of Bonanza. That's shocking. Sorry, you guys. Well, that's what happens when you get to the 50th episode and there's a total of 431, you have 381 left. We should have known. We gotta work on math if we're gonna change that.
Starting point is 01:24:19 Yeah, well, that said, we're almost done, but let's enjoy it while we can. For heaven's sake. Yep. This is a damn fine episode of Bonanza and a damn fine episode of Bonanza for Bonanza. Thanks to Danielle B. Koenig here who joined us and told us shocking things about it. You are the dramaturg of Bonanza. That's true. I will take that title. Or whatever they're calling it these days. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. All right. Well, that's about it. I think we're ready to wrap up.
Starting point is 01:24:45 Any other questions or comments or statements? None here. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much for being here and for being a listener of the show and for sharing it with the next generation Star Trek. Oh. That's the wrong one.
Starting point is 01:24:58 I didn't mean for that to be a Star Trek reference, but it was on my mind. All right, folks, that's it. We're gonna end it. Ready? Yep. Now right, folks, that's it. We're gonna end it, ready? Yep. Now get, bye now. Pshh. One.
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