Bonanas for Bonanza - Bonanas For Bonanza Episode #53: “The Fugitive”

Episode Date: February 19, 2025

Subscribe to The Andy Daly Podcast Project at Patreon.com/AndyDaly Matt Besser joins Dalton and Mutt to discuss The Swiss Family Robinson, Zsa Zsa Gabor, The Dukes of Hazzard and, of course, the very Pernell Roberts-heavy Bonanza Season 2, Episode 20, “The Fugitive”, which, among other things, stretches the definition of “fugitive”.Featuring Matt Gourley and Matt BesserMerch: redbubble.com/people/ADPodProject/shopMail: PO Box 9407 Glendale, CA 91226Email: [e-mail]’s website: andydaly.comRecord date: 1/10/2023 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Ain't nobody else jumped into the arena yet. I guess we cleared the field. And if they do, they're dead, man. They would surely die. We're doing it today. This is, oh brother, the 53rd episode of Bananas for Bonanza in which we will be talking about the 52nd episode of Bonanza because we've done Jumped Ahead for Christmas time. Now our numbers are off again.

Our numbers are off again and I don't know that there's any way to fix it. But anyways, we're here talking about season two, episode 20, The Fugitive today. It's a damn good one. And our guest today is Matt Besser. Hello, Matt Besser. Hey, howdy. You're from the goddamn south of the United States, aren't you not? I am. I'm from Arkansas.

Oh, wow. I grew up watching Bonanza and other westerns. It's just about the American West, Arkansas is. Yeah, it's right. People don't know what to call it actually a lot. Some people are like, is it the South? It's not the Midwest, please. But if you're going to call Texas the South,

you got to call Arkansas the South. Is it because in Smokey and the Bandit, they're taking it to Texarkana, and it feels like they're going from the Southwest to the Southeast. Does that make sense? They're putting Coors from, they're going from Texarkana to Texas, right? Are they?

Texarkana is in Texas. Texarkana, Texas. It's on the border. To, to Georgia. That's, that makes more sense. I'd like to wipe that from the record. That entire comment. That makes more sense. I'd like to wipe that from the record. That entire comment.

Texarkana is the name of a town on the border of Texas and Arkansas, but it's in Texas. Yeah. You can literally stand in both. You can be in Texarkana and be in both states. What's that like? Have you done that? Oh my God. Wow.

I haven't. Oh man. That's living, I bet. But if I ever do, I will. I will. Must be wild. Yeah. Now you...

Not like other border towns. No way, man. Now you say you was talking about you do... Well, you have seen a fair amount of Bonanza in your time. I would imagine... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Uh-huh. You might be... I don't want to say I've seen them all, but like... Wow. I feel like every Sunday I watched it. Cause I gotta tell you, that makes you in the minority of guests we've had. Yeah, a vast minority.

Do you have a favorite Cartwright? Well, are we? Ugh. Hard to choose. Of course. Look, I brought this. Oh. Sort of bragging.

What did you bring? This is my Lag Wagon Haas CD. Lag Wagon is the name of the band they put out on album. You know it? Yeah, I know about this. It's pretty cool. It's a good album too. That's very cool.

But I feel like any kid, any boy my age that was bound to be- You're a grown man now, man. When I watched it- Oh, I see. Was during the, was it still being made? Maybe when I was a real little boy, but it was rerunning for sure.

But if you're bound to be a comedian one day, you're a Haas fan, for sure. He's funny, right? He is really, he's the second funniest Western character on TV at that time. Wait a minute, who do we think was the first funniest Western character? He's definitely the second funniest. And that says a lot because the first was... Who do you think?

Oh my God, the first one. From the best Western TV show. Gunsmoke? Yeah, Festus. Oh, Festus from Gunsmoke. What's Gunsmoke? Festus Hagen. What's Gunsmoke?

I don't wanna tell you. We, this has come up before. Wait, but this hasn't come up before? Yeah, it's come up, but he does, he prefers to live in a world of denial where there's no other contender Western television. I don't know what you're talking about. What? 200 more episodes at least.

What, what does, what are you talking about? Gun smoke. Yeah. So you're telling me there's a television show called Gun Smoke. I told you this, my friend Matt was named after Marshall Matt Dillon. Is that right?

That's right, yeah. Well, and growing up as a Matt, you look for namesake, you look for cool Matt's out there in culture, and there weren't many. Huh, I get it. And Matt Dillon. You had two Matt Dillons, the character and the actor, and that's about all you got.

Wow, they both were Dillons. Yeah. Well, maybe I one day ought to check out this gun smoke, you call it. What was so funny about Festus? Oh, he was a drunk, he was one of the classic, well, I'm out in the middle. I'm out in the middle of the street and I'm having a good time. You can't stop me drunk.

Every damn episode. Uh, he was pretty much always just seem like a little drunk. I think. I don't know if you'd agree with that, but he had kind of half beard like I do all the time. Looks like he slept out in the alley and he came to Matt kind of a scrappy dude, but eventually became his deputy. Oh, he did. He straightened up and become the deputy. Well, we've had some comical drunks on Bonanza. Man, I laugh a lot when I see them, but they don't put them in every goddamn episode. Oh, wait a minute.

Stupid gun smoke, sounds terrible. Well, okay, you're ready to talk about this episode? Man, I got a lot to say. I sure am. And you have a lot to say too. Let's kick off this episode with the sounds of a cool crisp Schlitz. Yeah.

I know you have your own podcast, Matt. What Western show do you talk about on that? Woke for Gunsmoke? Is that what you're talking about? What is it? What? Did you say woke for Gunsmoke? Yeah.

We. That sounds terrible. Improv for Humans. I don't know if we've talked about any Westerns on there yet. Oh really? Yeah, I'm trying to think. That's a Patreon too, isn't it? Like ours is. It is,

it is behind a paywall. It is indeed. Improv4humans.com. A lot of good improvise come on that. That's where you go. You go to Improv4humans.com. Yeah. All right. That's simple. All right. Well we'll talk about it when we, if I remember to ask if you have anything to plug at the end, we'll talk about it then, but we can't talk about it now. No, let's get into this. Let's begin with what I always say. Hello friend. Come on in. The gate is open wide. Welcome to bananas for bonanza. Today we're discussing season two, episode 20, the fugitive.

This episode has everything. Half the regular cast, wall to wall, Purnell Roberts, two women with speaking roles, Mexican accents aplenty, and a good old shootout in a graveyard. Less than half the cast. What do you mean? Way less than half. Or half the regular cast.

You just have one guy. Lauren briefly makes a wave, and then he went back to his Malibu house and said, Adam Cartwright, this is your episode. It's very unusual to have an episode that truly only features one member of the team. This feels like still yet another holdover of a pilot from another television show

that they just adapted. Oftentimes it does seem that way. I feel like it was in his contract, that actor's contract, I want my own episode, and I guarantee you no other actors ever saw this episode. No. You're right. They never watched it one time. In fact, they said, okay, he can have his own episode.

That means we don't have to act with him, I think. It seemed like that. It seemed that Purnell was not a big Bonanza fan. Can I be honest? When I saw what was going on with this episode, first off, when I started, and I have seen was going on with this episode? Yeah. First off, when I started, and I have seen a lot of Bonanza. Yep. Okay.

So I'm looking forward to seeing Haas. Oh no. I'm looking forward to seeing Little Joe. At least Ben Cartwright for more than one scene. Maybe a hop scene. And then Adam Carash shows up and I'm like, I don't remember you. Oh, well he left the show in season five.

Yeah, you must've watched late episodes. Oh, well did another brother replace him? They had a cousin, right, or something? For a little while or something, but not really. Did he die like all his moms? No. He really took off somewhere. He got married and left the Ponderosa, I believe is what happened to him.

Did he go to the big city? He always seemed more citified. Yeah, I guess so. Always. But the reality was he hated, Burnell Roberts hated being on Bonanza. And so he was dying to get out of there. Popular show. He did. He He hated being on a popular show? He did. He wanted to be on a medical show or something. He said it wasn't quite, it wasn't

as high quality as he was told it was going to be when they embarked upon it. High quality? Exactly. I'm glad you're as a guest today. What's, well I'm trying to compare it to what? That he was trying to get on. Oh, oh yeah. What was the great show he was trying to get on? Oh, oh, yeah. What was the great show he was trying to get on? Good question. I'd say it was probably the best show of all time. Another Western. Like that's all that they had. There weren't any other Westerns. They certainly weren't as good as this if there were. The Rifleman. What the hell is that? You never heard of that. FanDuel Casino Daily Jackpots guaranteed to hit by 11 p.m. You never heard of that? Every day. 19 plus and physically located in Ontario. Gambling problem? Call 1-866-531-2600. Or visit kinectsontario.ca.

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Details at fizz.ca. So, okay, I'll talk a little bit about what was going on when this aired. It was February 4th, 1961 when this episode came out. The number one movie in the country was Swiss Family Robinson. Oh, I love Swiss Family Robinson. You do?

I'm a huge Swiss. I now have a tree house. My office is in a tree house. Oh yeah. I feel that that's downstream of my love of the Swiss Family Robinson. Whoa, really? And if I ever was going to be attacked by any people physically, I would come up with coconut bombs. Coconut bombs, coconut hand grenades they had in this movie. Coconut hand grenades. Nice to have an office in a tree house. That's both fun and flood resistant.

That was my main concern, is the flood that's coming. This was my favorite line from the IMDB trivia of the movie, Swiss Family Robinson. And I quote, the Anaconda was pregnant during filming. Isn't that wild? Wow. Now, I don't know if you can tell. I don't know if I believe that. You don't think you believe it? No. Why not? That Anaconda didn't look pregnant to you. Well, you didn't see they shot the Anaconda's midsection from, they put things in front of it,

you know, just so you couldn't tell. Oh, that's why. Eye grass. Yeah. Well, I don't know, I wonder if they knew that Anaconda was pregnant when they filmed it, because they got that Anaconda in a fight in a swamp with two boys. You know that? Oh, that's right. I don't know that you'd do that to a pregnant Anaconda.

I don't know if I'd do that to my boy. That's a good point. My son. There's two different answers. What's this scene? This wasn't in the original script, these sides we got last night. He's wrestling what?

Don't worry. It's not pregnant. Well, listen to this. Not only you love Swiss family Robinson, you know who else loves it is George Lucas. The scene where the boys are fighting that Anaconda in the swamp directly inspired the trash compactor monster scene from Star Wars. There you go. And not only that, but that scene you're talking about at the end there with the coconut bombs that directly inspired the Ewok battle

on the planet Earth. The Ewoks are in a Swiss family Robinson world. That's exactly what it is. He loved it. I always heard that was inspired by the Viet Cong. I'm not joking. Really? Not as cute.

He said as much. He's been on record. So it seems like he melded two really like things together. Swiss Family Robinson and the VidCon. Way more fun, the Swiss Family Robinson with their little rope bridges and wings. Yeah, much more fun. Strangely though, the movie, Swiss Family Robinson was directed by a man named Kenneth Anakin, but George Lucas says, he says, that's not where I got the name Anakin Skywalker.

Yes, I got the snake fight and the other thing, but not the name. Did he say where he got Anakin Skywalker? No, I don't think he did. Then the burden of proof is on him. I think it's a lie. And I think he's afraid of getting sued by the estate of Kenneth Anakin. What's going on there?

Steal three things from Swiss family. Robinson. Now I think about all fucking star Wars is just Swiss family. Robinson's face. God damn. Why didn't I see this before? It's so obvious. Robinson. Gone too far. Now I think about all fucking Star Wars is to Swiss family Robinson space. God damn. Why didn't I see this before? It's so obvious now that you know. Also the other thing Ken Anakin said in a DVD commentary

was that they're ahead of zebra and they needed him to move. So they gave him electric shocks. Oh, why would he admit that? Why indeed. Totally pointless. I thought he was going to Why indeed. Totally pointless to say that. I thought he was going to say, so he had to paint a white horse with black stripes. I thought for sure that's where you're headed. That would have been better.

That would have been a nicer story. You know, you've never seen a cowboy whose thing was that he rides a zebra. Yeah, why not? Because they're assholes. They're assholes. Yeah, you have to give them a shock to give them to do anything. What is the famous old question, is a zebra really black or white? Is it black with white stripes or white with black stripes? Because there is an answer and I always forget it.

There is one? Oh, yeah. How would you determine which one was? There is a base skin color and I don't know. That seems subjective. That's ridiculous. Well, all right, we'll get to the bottom of it. Okay. For our bonus episode. Our bonus episode will be all about zebras. What's ridiculous is humans ride on the backs of horses. I feel like sometime in the future,

people are going to look back at us in this hundreds of years. And they're going to go, yeah, humans used to get up for some reason. That was the one animal we let people get up on their back. Oh, I see what you're saying. Why don't we ride more things? No, you can't think of another animal. It's normal to jump up on their back. A camel.

Hey, there you go. Camels, camels, elephants, ride an elephant anywhere. Yeah, they do not like it. None of them like it. Horses. I don They do not like it. None of them like it. Horses. I don't think horses like it. Oh, horses love it. Well, when you have to break an animal to allow, for it to allow you to ride,

right? That's saying something. Yeah. People look back on this as, Oh, it was, look at this footage of the, there's humans on top of horses. Well, how would they then say we should have got around for heaven's sake? It should have walked their ass. It had to happen.

It had to happen. I'll tell you, it'd be the coolest thing for a cowboy. You know how at a rodeo, you're an ace if you can ride a steer for eight seconds? What if a cowboy, that was his main mode of transportation. Was this a buck and bronco? Was a steer. That was Paul Bunyan. Paul Bunyan, he did that?

All right, good. Good for steer. That was Paul Bunyan. Paul Bunyan, he did that? Oh, yeah. All right, good, good for him. How do you know about him? I heard of him one or twice times. George Lucas based Indiana Jones off of Paul Bunyan. Is that right? The number one country song in the country was Still North to Alaska by Johnny Horton.

That held on for a long time. I know that. Nutwheel, it's good, it's from the movie North to Alaska. The number one song on the pop charts was Will You Love Me Tomorrow, sometimes known as Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow by the Shirelles written by Jerry Goffin and Carole King. Now this song was so popular that it inspired an answer song. Oh, I love that. You know about that tradition? Roxanne, Roxanne. What's that? Is that an answer song?

Is Roxanne- In early rap, there was a UTFO versus Roxanne in many answer songs. Oh, now see, those are, that's a different kind of answer song, I think. Where somebody calls out somebody by name and somebody else gets in there and they respond. Now they're arguing through their song. Is this like a different perspective? Yes. So will you love me tomorrow is a girl saying I came here to get down to fuck it, but I want to know for sure if you, if tomorrow you're going to cast me a

sad or you're going to still love me. That's what that song is about. And the satinites come out satin tones. They had a song called Tomorrow and Always, which takes the exact same melody and says, yeah, I'll love you tomorrow and always. It's a response. Okay. It's just a more positive response than the songs I was talking about. Exactly. Exactly. But I still think she would still be skeptical even based on their song. And finally, I'd like to tell you about Celebrity Birthdays, people who was born But I still think she would still be skeptical even based on their song.

And finally, I like to tell you about celebrity birthdays, people who was born on February 4th, 1961, we got a good one this time, Dennis Savard, Canadian NHL center named one of the 100 greatest NHL players in history. That's another thing like horses. If you watch hockey, they still allow fist fighting and it's, it's fucking bizarre. There's no other, there's no other sport where you can just have a moment where you can just punch each other and the rest go, okay, we've had enough of that. Now back to the- There's no penalty?

No. Well, yeah, they'll put you in the penalty box, but in, but in any other sport, you'd be out, you'd be done for the season. Yeah. All right. Well, maybe, I don't know whether the answer is to get rid of punching and hockey or to add it to other sports. I think I got it. Yeah. I'd like to see it in a game of baseball. I'll tell you what. Just have some moments. Good old Danny Brooke out there on the field. It happens sometimes, but maybe not enough. All right. Let's get into some fun facts about

this episode and about the cast. Who did you fall in love with on this episode? I know I fell in love with Marie. That's the only female. There's two beautiful. There's two. Zeva Rodin was her name. She's in a movie called Three Nuts in Search of a Bolt. Whoa. I hope that's a comedy. It's a sex comedy. As a matter of fact, it is. It's about a throuple or something like that. What year? 64. It does sound like a lot of innuendo.

It's your three nuts in search of a bolt. She was in a movie called The Private Lives of Adam and Eve. She did a lot of- Okay, she did sexy stuff. She sure did. Didn't they pretty much have it private being the only human? That's true. Did they even need have it private being the only human? That's true.

Like, did they even need the word private or public back then? That's back when animals talked. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's true. I wonder if that snake was pregnant. Came down with an apple. Oh, that one. Yeah.

That would be controversial. Whoa. She, one thing I found about Ziva Rodin, she presented a Golden Globe Award to Zsa Zsa Gabor for most glamorous actress. It's the only time they ever gave that award. Really? I wonder who the other nominees were. And was that, did they do the same for actors? Just the ladies.

Glamorous. The most glamorous actress that year. Most glamorous. Wow. And so this led me down a little bit of a Jaja Agabor rabbit hole, which I'll share with you because I'm going to play you an outtake of a commercial that she did for Volkswagen's and she gets real mad because they do that little clapboard in front of her face is what's happening there. Oh, it is. Jaja can't take it. Here we face. Oh boy. That's what's happening there.

Oh, it is how it be. Jaja can't take it. Here we go. I don't know what my volume is like. That's often where these fall apart. Okay. Here we go. Oh, shit.

One, two, and three, and four. And darling, I love these seats with corduroy. Wait, Ed Marcus? You missed me. And darling I love this seats with cordura Oh Why didn't you put it on my head? I don't wish to work like this. Oh my. She gets real. I'm on her side. That was a little close.

A little more delicate getting around her. Okay, that's fair. She's the most glamorous. Yeah, I don't think they realized she was. She says, I can't work. I can't do a car commercial. I have a claustrophobia, she says. She says that.

She does say that. She must have known that going in. You would think, but that was the last straw. But now I'd also found the final product of that commercial and it's real weird. Really? It features JaJa Gabor's mother. Was JaJa or Ava in Greenacres?

Why can't I remember that? I think it was Ava. Oh, you think it was JaJa? I was gonna say Ava. Cause otherwise, you're right. She just said darling like Ava does in Green Acres. Yeah. Well, this would be the mother of both Ava and Zsa Zsa.

And I don't know why they put her in this commercial. I wouldn't have. Zsa Zsa talks about a new luxury car. Darling, I love this. It is called Roy. And the sun roof and the metallic paint. I love it. My mother loves getting so to see my son.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love this. It is called Roy and the sun roof and the metallic paint. I love it Another loves getting so to see my spaghetti on the highway. She's right He's got a flag mine. You learn the value of a dollar presenting the McGraw Wow. I don't know.

Wow. Yeah. That's real weird. Real fun to know she's pissed off underneath. Yeah. It's nice to know she had a terrible day doing it. This daughter's like mine. You learned the value of a dollar.

Wow. That's pretty impressive. I didn't make a single word of that at all. I've seen it a couple of times. What are the Gabor's known for? They're like Paris, the, Paris, the, Paris, Paris. make a single word of that. I've seen a couple of times. What, what are the Gabor's known for? What are they're like Paris, the Hilton's?

They are a lot like that. They they're from Hungary. And one of them, Ja Ja married Paris Hilton's grandfather. Matter of fact, is that right? Yeah. Or father even, and told him to buy the Plaza Hotel. Holy shit. And, uh, and he did and he lost money on it and he teased her about it all the time.

But anyway, yeah, she married Conrad Hilton. She did. Okay. James Best who played Carl Reagan in this episode, you know, where you know him from. I thought he was going to be your number one Reagon in this episode. Do you know where you know him from? I sure do. I thought he was gonna be your number one funniest man in the Western. He's not as funny in this, but he's funny in another Western.

I don't know, but his blue eyes are striking. He's pretty good looking in this and you don't know him as as good looking. You know him older and a little goofier. Uh-huh. Yeah. Tell me, I don't know. Roscoe P. Coltrane from the Dukes of Hizzard.

Oh, he's also for Reynolds sidekick and Hooper. Okay. This is why that makes sense. In that first scene and speaking of Festus, they come from the comedic ilk of having that kind of thing in their voice going on. That's also Mr. Haney as I do it. And Festus kind of had that, Roscoe kind of had that, and he does that laugh.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. They all have that kind of. You know what, he does his, he goes, oogoo, oogoo, oogoo, oogoo. Keek, keek, keek. You knew you were a villain in Bonanza when you cackle at some point. You giggle.

It's really more of a giggle. I think as a kid, I think that's the path I knew I eventually wanted to be. That's casting directors. That's what I feel I should be. Like a giggling villain. Like never the super bad guy. And he's not usually the, he's usually the henchman, never the super bad guy. And he's not usually the... He's usually the henchman, not the number one guy.

That's right. That's true. Roscoe P. Coatrain is just doing what Boss Hogg told him to do. But he takes pleasure in it. In Hooper, and he's... Burt Reynolds is like a right-hand man. And there's some scenes where they just get giggling together, you know they're improvising. But then he gets doing his little, and he gets so cute and cuddly to the point like they're tickling him. It's like nothing I ever seen. So we're checking out.

I love that movie. He, he and Burt Reynolds was good buddies and they worked on lots of things. He was also a black belt in karate. What I wouldn't give to see him and Elvis Presley. Doesn't it seem like a black belt in the sixties is a little different than a black belt today? I think that's probably fair. It sounds like you bought it.

You didn't earn it. No, you did just for inflation. Got it in Vegas. Yeah. I bet it's more like a beige belt now. He also founded, according to Wikipedia, the first school to teach actors motion picture technique in the seventies. And he taught Burt Reynolds and Clint Eastwood and Gary Busey and Terry

Gar and Quentin Tarantino. It's a strange one for that list. I want to know what the technique is. Stop projecting. You're not on stage. Yeah. Tarantino needs to go back for a refresher. I know.

I wouldn't brag about teaching Quentin Tarantino how to act, quite frankly. Now. Doesn't seem like the same age group as the rest of the- I know. It just doesn't make any sense. I know. It doesn't make any sense. Okay.

Now this episode of Bonanza is a history-making episode. The lowest rated because it only had one car, right? The least popular. That may be, but also this is the first time in 53 episodes we've watched that a black actor is on this show and you might not have known it and I'll bet you the producers didn't know it either. But Frank Silvera is El Jefe. He's from Jamaica. His mother was a mixed race Jamaican person and his father was a Jewish man from Portugal

and he considered himself to be black. Wow. Okay. Okay. So now I think they accidentally hired a black actor. That sounds like it. Yeah. That was a great character. It was a great character and he's a pretty good actor. He was in the actor's studio and he was in three movies with Marlon Brando. So I guess they got on Viva Zapata and Mutiny on the Bounty and the Appaloosa, which I have not seen. Oh, he had an unusual death, which we like

to have. We always love to talk about the unusual deaths of guest actors on Bonanza. He was accidentally electrocuted in his kitchen while trying to repair a garbage disposal. That's a miserable way to go out. How old was he? He was 55. Oh, man. How old was he? He was 55. Oh man. You gotta ground that. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, you just unplug it. Unplug it before you get to working on it, I think. How old was he in this? What I'm asking is how much longer he got after seeing this? Oh, oh. Yeah, he looks older than 55 in this. Well, I guess. I hope he looks older than me. Let's play the game. Oh, oh. Yeah, he looks older than 55 in this. Well, I guess- I hope he looks older than me.

Let's play the game. Oh, okay. Yeah. How old do you think Frank Silvera was in this episode of Bonanza? I'll say he was 46. You say 46. Well, he was born in 1914 and the episode was 1961. So you got to do math now.

I can't do that. Now you got to do math now. I can't do that. Now you got all open my calculator. 61 minus 14. I imagine there's lots of people in our listening audience who have already figured it out. They've done the simple math. I know he was 47 years old. And wait a minute.

Hey, he only got, he only had eight years. Yeah. He died in 1970. And at the time that he died, he had a regular role on some other high chaparral, I never heard of that. He had a regular role on that. Unplug your goddamn garbage disposal before you get working on it. Absolutely.

Sons of bitches. It's probably one of the first ones. I know it must've been. 1970 garbage disposal. You're right. It was probably hardwired. It wasn't even plugged in. You think so? But still, turn off the circuit, you know?

Oh, that's hard to do. If I hear somebody got electrocuted because they didn't turn off the circuit, I'd give them a pass. That's hard to do. You got to find the box. They got to be appropriately labeled and there never are. My guess is he was pretty wealthy with all these TV shows. He had bought the first garbage disposal on his block and it didn't work within like the first three weeks. He was embarrassed about that

because the amount of money he spent. So he tried to fix it himself. And you can bet it was three foot tall and two foot wide. His garbage disposal. It was enormous because they hadn't figured out the technology. You think it wasn't even in the sink? It was like a whole separate unit? No, it was outside. Yeah. Yeah. He had to take everything outside and put it in there. Maybe. All right. A couple other people to tell you about. Vada Ann Borg played Bula,

the sassy, brassy, uh, I don't know what she was. Oh, the hotel owner. She had her, her agents told her to change her name from Veda and Borg to Ann Noble, but she refused and I'm on their side. That's a better name. Uh, she also, the only other thing I found out about her is she in 1939, she had a severe auto crash requiring full facial reconstruction by plastic surgery. What year?

1939, but she looks fantastic. Yeah. Huh. I don't know. Maybe they, maybe plastic surgery was better in the thirties than it is today. It must have been, because you know, I mean, no offense to Mark Hamill, but. Yeah. And finally, Will Wright as Will Reagan.

This is his second of third bonanzas. Can you try to guess how old he was? This is the father of the fugitive. He looks like the type of guy who probably did a lot of Westerns. Uh-huh. Am I right? Yes. Many, many. I'll say he was...

Oh, it's gonna depress us too much. We wanna say 70, but he's probably our age. 58. Oh no, it's not that bad. Okay. He was 67. Oh, okay. And he did one more episode of Bonanza, which was the last thing he ever did. People didn't live long in those days. Man, they didn't. All right, now let's get into recapping this episode. FanDuel Casino's exclusive live dealer studio has your chance at the number one feeling, winning. Which beats even the 27th best feeling, saying I do. Who wants his last parachute?

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You know, for texting and stuff. And if you're not getting rewards like extra data and dollars off with your mobile plan, you're not with FIZ. Switch today. Conditions apply. Details at fizz.ca. How long have we been at it? Oh, this is the perfect amount of time. Okay. 30 minutes. It begins in Mexico, doesn't it? Casa de Plata seems to be the name of the town. This is another historic thing. We ain't never seen this. Oh, like a cold opening? Yeah, the cold open is in Mexico.

It is the, and the office of the El Jefe, who I guess is the sheriff. Well, I like the branding because I don't think El Jefe means sheriff. So it's almost, it's like boss, right? It means boss. So it'd be like if you went to a police station, branding outside the sheriff is like the boss.

Well, boss hawk. Boss hawk, that's right. You are in the office of the boss, and there's a jail cell in here. You want to think of me as a sheriff, that's fine. And he's got a guy in that cell that, man, he hates, he hates Carl Reagan, the giggling villain in the cell. So cocky for someone who's going to die.

I know. And then Deputy Gomez is in there too, but El Jefe leaves the room for like a minute, comes back, gonna die. I know. And then deputy Gomez is in there too. But, uh, uh, El Jefe leaves the room for like a minute, comes back. He hears a gunshot, runs back. Deputy Gomez has shot, uh, Carl Reagan. We later learned he shot him in the face with a shotgun, double barrel shotgun, reducing the face to an unrecognizable mass of pulp. And, said, and he says, you tried to escape, I had no choice. Okay, well now, if you're a little suspicious, you ought to be.

Now we're over in the Ponderosa, Paul and Adam are working on a wagon wheel and up rides Will Reagan and they love Will Reagan. He's the best damn foreman they ever had. And he says, hey, I got a letter from or concerning my son. And I'm so excited. I brought it here for you to read it to me. It's not clear whether he's illiterate or his eyes are bad. He says his eyes are bad. Oh, it's his eyes.

He's blind. Later on they say he's near blind. Oh, near blind, okay. And he can't, but he rode his way all the way there. He could still be illiterate. Okay. He could be both, we just know he's near blind. Oh, near blind, okay. But he rode his way all the way there. He could still be illiterate. Yeah. Okay. Could be both, we just know he's blind. But he's-

So if you're blind and those days get delivered a letter, you can't trust the guy delivering the letter. So you gotta have a friend that'll read the letter for you. Yeah. And it's treacherous, because he had to take a horse-drawn wagon all the way to the Ponderosa. He could see well enough to do that.

I guess so. And didn't trust any other people in his life. Far-sighted. Or anybody he encountered on the way. No. All the way straight to the Ponderosa. Cause he knows Ben is the only man who's man enough in this territory

to tell it to him straight what's in this letter. But does he think it's bad news at this point? No, absolutely not. Okay, so then it's not even about tell it to him straight. It's just about he's gonna just read the letter. He could be getting married to his son. Oh, right. That'd be more likely. His son's a saint even at the end when they say, oh, he's a sweet fella. Are you telling me this guy that we know to be this cackling villain, his dad never had any inkling that he was a little off. That is said several times. People change, men change, things change. Everybody has fond memories of Carl Reagan on the Ponderosa.

He had to have that laugh though. He must have been right. Even when he was a good guy. What do you think happened to him and made him this way so recently? Good question. They do say he was always a little wild. But then he says, good wild.

Good wild. I don't know, he had a change of character down there. That's what I feel I was. You as a young man? Yeah. He was wild, but good wild. And then when did you turn into a giggling villain? Bad wild, he turned bad wild.

In my 20s. In your 20s, that's when it happens. Well now, this is an ethically questionable moment for our hero Ben Cartwright. As he opens up a letter that you can tell he is stricken by it, but he says, oh, everything's fine, your son's doing wonderfully. Right?

Is that what he says? Speaking of ethical, so, you know that the New York Times ethicist, you know that? Oh yeah, I heard of that. I would love to give this situation to the ethicist, because I don't think Ben Cartwright did the right thing right away. He's really not in the end.

He says, he tells them, oh, it's an advertisement. You've been, there's an ad, it's just an advertisement. It appears to be from your son. I think he came all this way to the one man who would tell him what the letter said. It's an advertisement for a hat, that's all. That's all. See you later.

Oh, well. Then he finds out from someone else, oh, your son died. What? That was in the note? There happens to be a ring in the envelope too. And Will is like, well, why would they include a ring in an advertisement? Well, that's what it's an advertisement for, these kind of rings. And then Will feels it. And Mexican music music plays and he knows, he recognizes this ring because he made it himself. Why? This is his son's ring. Why would they mail me my son's ring?

And that's when they have to tell him the truth. I don't think they ever would have. It's a certificate of death. What was up with them even thinking about not telling the truth? And why didn't- And putting it off or never, and thinking forever his son's alive. Why didn't then after Reagan found out they didn't tell him the truth, did he not have a word to say about it? He didn't. He said, and as a matter of fact, he wasn't that upset about his son dying.

He just wanted his body back was really his whole issue. He wanted to know why he died. Yeah, he wanted to know how he died. It's just a certificate of death doesn't explain anything. He took it pretty well. He did. I have to all together, both being lied to and the death of his son.

Yeah, I think I would have shot Ben Cartwright at that point in those days. That's where shooting someone. If it wasn't for that ring problem, he would have just got away with the life forever, I guess. Where's Haas? He would have read it straight from you. Where's little Joe?

It's you two. Haas would have tossed it guileless. He would have read it straight from you. Where's little Joe? Just you two. Haas would have tossed his guileless. He would have just told him. Can he read? Haas? I think we've seen him read it. Cypher up to the 12 times table. Yeah. I know we have seen him read, but now am I misremembering it where he's doing the kind of thing where he sounds it out? Yeah, with his finger. He's so dumb. Well, it's decided that Adam is going to go down there to Mexico and suss out

what happened on every viewer is like, Oh, great. Riding away from the pond to roast and all the other characters. Nielsen ratings just dip. It's like you get invited to a sushi, a really nice sushi restaurant. You get in there and they're like, Oh, we're out of sushi today. But we got Terry. We got all the seaweed you can eat. Yeah. It's a little like that. By the way, normally when cast members are missing from episodes, they explain it in some way.

They didn't even bother this time to tell us where little Joe and Hoss were. They're just there in the farm. He's the one leaving. He's the one leaving. They just didn't happen to be there when Will rode up. Well, Adam rides into, what did we call it? Casa de Plata. And he runs into Bula. Is that House of the Plate? What is that? House of the Plate is the name of the town. And he runs into Bula who's a brassy with a heart of pure gold. And she, why did they include this dialogue that he says,

I'd like a room with a view of the ocean. And she says, no, we got rid of all the rooms with the ocean views because people complained the ocean was keeping them awake. Why was that exchanged? I don't even remember that. That's crazy. That exchange is in there and it doesn't turn out

to be plot important at all. But he says that he's there to see Carl Reagan or find out what happened to him. What did they do with those rooms? Yeah, exactly. They just board up the windows? I know ocean sounds as being soothing. Hey, I know. That's what you want.

Of course you do. That ocean was going all night long. Can't hear it on the other side of the building at all. Doesn't make any sense. But boy great. Next time you go to a place that features ocean, you complain about it. Can you turn that off at 11 PM? I paid extra for the ocean view room, not the ocean sound room.

Well, she has a big reaction to the name of Carl Reagan. She gets all, oh, she hates him so much. And then she tells him, well, you want to know what happened to him? Go ask his widow. But she doesn't give him any more information. And Adam has no choice but to literally knock on every door in town until he comes upon the incredibly beautiful Maria. And she shuts the door in his face. She doesn't want to talk about her dead husband, Carl Reagan. Now, Adam is so confused because he loves Carl Reagan. I can't imagine why anybody wouldn't. Now he's in a cantina and there is

Maria dancing to an unseen flamenco guitar. You never see it being played. Adam walks in and she's now this is, I think by this point in the episode, three different people have told Adam, go home, get out of here. Yeah. He should get the message. I know why they said that about the ocean. Why? They didn't want to put it in the production budget.

You had to see William. Yeah. But why does the town have to be near an ocean? Look, I don't know. It was in the script and they could rather than take that line out, they put a line in. That's all I can tell you. I guess maybe somebody put in the draft, I'd like an ocean room. Okay, no problem.

And then they gave them an ocean room and then somebody said, we can't afford to put it a goddamn ocean in there. So we changed the line to no, we don't have ocean rooms anymore. They'd already shot that first scene. Something. But now he doesn't take no for an answer. He grabs her by the arm and sits down with her to have a drink and get to the goddamn bottom of what's going on. I just figured out why for real.

Okay. I don't have no charade. All right. All right. But it's a spoiler. Oh, oh really? I'd go ahead. That's fine. That's where he is. That's where But it's a spoiler. Oh, oh really? Go ahead. That's fine. That's where he is.

That's where he's hiding. Oh. The fugitive is in the ocean room. Oh. Bula's in on it. Yeah. She's happy. It was also at the point where she doesn't want him to stay there and she's saying, you

know, you can only stay for a day or two days prior to that when he asks for a room. Oh. Because at first she's real nice, then she's like, you have to go. First, she says there's no Ocean View rooms. Then he says, I'm here to find Carl. And then she says, oh, by the way, you need to get out of here tomorrow. You're only welcome for one night if you're here to find Carl. He's hiding in there. You got damn you cracked it.

OK, boy, the show's complex. Man, it really is. It's also complex that he's a fugitive and he never leaves that room. Most fugitive movies and TV shows, we're picturing someone on the run going from place to place. Does fugitive imply that someone has gone away? Good point. He's a stationary fugitive. Yeah, he just went upstairs and hid there the whole episode.

He's a shut-in. That is unusual by fugitive standards. Well, there's a couple of tough guys, Pablo and Juan, who are watching Maria and Adam there in the cantina. Adam goes back to his rooms and the room and the tough guys are there already and they beat him up easy and take his gun. Sometimes it's impossible to beat up Adam Cartwright. Other times it's easy.

It seems to be what's convenient for the plot. Maybe. Now, it's the next day and Adam's got a hurt gut, but he's going to see the Hefe. The Hefe reveals that nobody liked Carl. Now we're 16 minutes into the episode at this point and Adam is still trying to find out how Carl died. Everybody he runs into, he asks that question and gets nowhere on it.

But now finally- So no one says he was in jail. He receives no information. He is only told. So it's just like people didn't like him. Nobody liked him. Could have said, well, he ended up in jail and he died there. Every conversation is, I want to know how Carl died.

Get out of here, go back home. It just happens again and again and again. But finally, El Jefe says, well, he attempted to escape and he was, he definitely murdered somebody. And I think he murdered 50 people. Whoa. That's what he says. But I can't prove it.

And he says that he was shot in the face and you couldn't recognize him after he was shot. Oh, but I'm sure it was him. And he says he was a smuggler and a robber and a killer. And, and he wants Adam to go home. That's what he says. Now we got Maria all by herself at home. Is that right? No. Adam and Maria are back in the cantina. She is paid to talk to customers. She's a saloon girl. All right. Adam goes on saying positive things about Carl. What does that really mean?

A saloon girl? That's a prostitute. She's paid to talk to customers. Uh-huh, just talk. Is this where he reveals himself? No, this bunch of nothing's important. We do learn that Pablo is Maria's brother. That's not actually important. Oh yeah, it becomes important later. He told Pablo to be gentle. Adam shoots Juan. All

right, there's a showdown. Adam shoots Juan in the arm. Juan, in this scene you remember, first he says to Pablo, be gentle with your sister. And then at the end of the scene, for no reason, he advances on her with a knife. But Adam shoots him in the arm and disarms him and then takes away Pablo's gun. And now he takes Pablo to see El Jefe. Right? This script felt like it was written by two people who worked in shifts and not together. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. Well, we didn't believe too much in that brother-sister relationship at that point. After, we didn't believe too much in that brother sister relationship at that point.

Like you. Uh huh, right. There's no loyalty there after that. That's true, right. He was gonna stay in there and watch his sister get stabbed to death for no reason. So he's a bad brother. But El Jefe lets Pablo go,

and that seems weird, like the fix is in, and he threatens to lock up Adam. Now Adam walks in on Beulah. I guess this is the scene I'll cut straight to. Here in the shadows, in the cantina, a voice rings out and Adam recognizes it immediately. This is Carl Reagan. He wasn't shot in the face in a failed prison escape. He's still hanging around in town and the goddamn ocean view room with a

beautiful view of the ocean being kept up all night by the goddamn waves. This poor man. Wait a minute. Do we see him in his room and is it an ocean? We never see him in his room with the ocean view. So you're also right. They didn't want to pay for it, but he comes out and this is, this is one of the longest scenes I've ever seen in anything. It's Adam and Carl talking about everything.

They hash everything out. Yeah, it's like True West. It's like, yeah. It's like True West. I wonder if they switch roles. Burnell probably tried it. And then I leave and you stay, tape playing Adam forever. Now, okay, turns out Adam is here to rob a silver shipment or something like that.

He's hanging around in this silver mine in town because there's a good prospect of a robbery and Pablo and Juan are going to help him do this robbery. And it's been necessary up to now to pretend to have died to fool El Jefe, right? I think so. That's the only person he cares to fool. Oh, Lord. This is part of the episode where I start to get tired. But now, okay, Adam, even though he loves Carl, he goes to El Hefe and he tells him the truth. He says, Carl is alive and he's going to rob this silver and I'm going to help you. I'm going to be a honeypot. He says, I'm gonna go hang out in my hotel room and Carl's gonna wanna come get me

because I've done talked to his wife and he thinks I'm gonna steal his wife because the two of us used to steal each other's girls when we was kids, right? We learned all that in that long scene. She says, El Jefe, you just keep an eye on my room and I know Carl will come to get me. And El Jefe does a bad job of it, right?

Because he gets distracted by Gomez, who then locks him up in a jail cell. Did not one thing strike you of like, where did they get the dead person so quickly that they blew the guy's face off? Where did he come from? And put him in identical clothes to Carl Reagan as well. That was difficult.

After they shot him. And who's that guy that we're not too worried about? Not too worried about. There was Adam did ask Carl at one point, so who was it that was shot in the face? Oh, some guy. That's all. Will that guy's father know how he died? Yeah. My God. That's a whole other episode.

50 other. That could be a whole show. Why don't you write the New York Times ethicist about that one? Yeah. Look, I'm going to kill a guy, shoot him in the face with a double-barreled shotgun. What's the etiquette on that? Could I do it first and then put him in the clothes? Do I need to tell his father how he died? What about his rings?

What do I do with those? Signed, confused in Casa de Plata. Well Hefe is impressed by Adam. He says, any man who believes that all men of a race are bad because one man of that race is bad, that man is a fool. He's learned not all gringos are bad because Adam is being honest. I love a show like this made by white people that makes the minority racist. We can't even be racist whites. But also weren't we supposed to think at least halfway through that episode that it's a hell hefe is

corrupt and he is hiding stuff. He doesn't like gringos. There's various stuff going on. That's true. But he's had a reversal now. Now he's on the side of justice with the gringo. Finally, he's had an enlightenment. All right, but now Deputy Gomez has come in. Oh, this is what it is. Deputy Gomez comes and El Jefe finally realizes, El Jefe understands that that was another man who was dead shot in the face, which allowed Carl Reagan to escape. And he knows the deputy Gomez is the one that shot

in the face this person. In another episode, you find out that was the original deputy Gomez that was shot. Oh, that would be better. But in this episode, it takes Hefe too long to realize Gomez must've been in on it, on the bullshit. And he realizes it just a moment too late.

He gets a glass of water thrown in his face, which prevents him from drawing his gun in time. That oughta do it. It wasn't booze or anything? It was water. Maybe it was booze. But that is an unusual move where two people, Hey, I just realized you're in cahoots with the bad guys.

Drink in your face. Take your gun. Comic trope. That is a good, just in general though, if you don't have anything else, just even just some sugar packets thrown in someone's face. But open or closed? You mean just closed sugar packets? Yeah. Just anything up in someone's face. I was pictured somebody grabbing two or three sugar packets, opening them up. That too. And then you shoot, but that takes a long time.

Don't think the person would get suspicious. But you're saying something sly while you're opening it. Oh, you're like, well, it needs found. I have a little sugar in my tea. Let me tell you why. Ah! So they got sugar in their eyes, and they're thinking, I ain't a cup of tea. You confused them.

Because even the best marksmen, even these guys that are going to shooting ranges today in LA, they're just, they're praxin'. None of them are praxin' having people throw shit in their face at the same time. That's true. That's very true. Matter of fact, I'd like to open a shooting range where we do stuff like that. Yeah.

Get people ready. Feathers! Light rain! Bee pollen! Balloons! Allergens. Anything that might be thrown at you while trying to kill a man. Yeah.

13 years cicadas or 17 years. What is it? Either one. Well, now, OK. Adam falls for an obvious trick where he receives a note from Maria that says, I must see you. And he goes, and of course, Pablo and Juan are there with guns.

And Juan is dismissed. I don't know why I wrote that. Anyway, they go to the graveyard. Now, OK, this is climatically saying the graveyard. Who's in the graveyard? Maria, Adam, he's disarmed and he's at gunpoint. That's a good place. That is where you should have shootouts.

Yeah. It's more convenient. You die, boom. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. And who else is it? Juan and Pablo are there and Carl Reagan is there. They're all in the graveyard.

And now Carl says, well, Adam, I should have killed you before when I told you that I was still alive and gonna rob the silver mine, but now I have to kill you but that you made yourself an enemy of me and turned me into El Jefe. And so that's gonna happen. And somehow it comes down to like, what, is Carl Reagan tell Pablo to shoot his sister to death?

Why does he do that? To prove himself. To prove himself. Why does he have to prove himself at that point? Yeah, he seems like he's done what's been asked of him. Yeah. Yeah. And why was he done with his girlfriend at this point?

Oh, yeah, why did Carl Reagan, his girlfriend at this point? Oh, yeah. Why the cart ride? That's his wife. She's saying don't kill Adam. Oh, that's it. Okay. So his wife is saying, no, don't kill Adam. And he's like, oh, here you go again,

Adam's cart ride stealing my girl. I come on his side a little bit, cause like, I've killed 50 other people, now this guy, the worst cart, right? And he's making eyes at my wife and was he I think he was right Weren't we supposed to believe he thought he was gonna hook up with her now? Oh, well the his plan for her was that she would leave this town and go Not back to the Ponderosa, but go live with her father-in-law, the blind will.

He says that two times. He says, oh, I don't think I've registered that. He'd be more than happy to have you. Well, she never met this guy. What a terrible life for her. I know. Living with this blind old man, reading letters for him.

It would have been a step up, cause she's probably thinking any father that this guy come from is probably an asshole, but he's a real sweet fellow. She should have done it. She probably should have done it. I envision for you a life of caring for an elderly man. You'll love it. But she is not sold on that at all. So now I understand Carl Reagan, he's a bad man. He's had it with his wife. He says, Pablo, kill your sister for me to prove you're a little healthy to me.

And Juan is all on board, I think, or he's not there anyway. There gets to be a four way shootout. I think it's Carl. Who shoots Carl? Oh, Juan and Pablo shoot one another's. Isn't that crazy? A Mexican standoff is a three way shootout. They're in Mexico doing

a four-way shootout. Does that make it an American shootout? I think that's what it was. Wow, double negative. Yeah. And then Adam shoots Carl. So, okay, that's what happens. Adam does not get shot, but Carl does, and Juan and Pablo do. And so they've all been fatally shot. Yeah. But Carl shoots the ground a couple of times. Oh, he does?

Yeah. Well, Carl also has the opportunity, so rare and beautiful, to redeem himself in his final moment. Yeah. He's dying and I forget what exactly does he say. Maybe I wrote it down. Tell my Papi I love him or something. Something like that, yes.

I was a good man. He's going to heaven. He's going to heaven. He's going, cause in his final moment, no matter how many people he killed and whatever else he did, he is blessed to have a final moment after being shot to say,

tell my pa I love him or something like that. My God. He was gonna let Adam go that first time. That's true. Just based on the good old days. He orchestrated a man getting shot in the face with a shotgun though. Oh yeah, it's a mixture.

Maybe that was a corpse they took from the morgue. It could have been. I often do that when I'm in that situation. That's the way to do it. It's easier than killing a real person. It's a humane way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to know a coroner who'll take 50 bucks.

You always got to go in there late at night to get the body. Tremendous thing is I get that they shut the window and didn't show you the room where the ocean view was, but it was never in the background or the ocean of the exterior shots. It doesn't have the feel of an ocean town either. No, it doesn't. It's kind of missed that whole plot point somehow. Yeah. You never see anybody walking through the frame with a beach umbrella and a couple of lawn chairs. Zink on their nose.

Showing their ankles. Not once. All right. Now, what else? Okay. It's the next day. It is the end of the episode, I guess. Hefe and Adam and Bula and Maria are together and Hefe has learned that gringos are all right and Adam wants Maria to come with him again, he repeats, but she must stay with her people.

He rides off. How condescending. Why does Maria need him? Why does he think she needs him? I have no idea. I think, well, it's pretty obvious he wants to get into your pants. Yeah, I'll just marry her. Yep.

But we do go back to the Ponderosa, and Will Reagan is just delighted that he has received the corpse of his son. Yeah, he's so happy. Now that's all he wanted. He just wanted it. Here he was okay. He doesn't care that he's dead as long as he was a good fella. Yeah. And Adam brought the corpse back all the way from Mexico and he's thrilled. He

gets to bury him close to where he lives. And Paul's real proud of Adam. That's how that episode ends. But does he say something like he was a good man? Oh, I think he does. Oh yeah, they lie to him again. That one's okay though, I think. You think? I'm okay with that.

I don't think you should say... You should tell someone their son is dead. You don't have to tell them that they were a bad man. I guess so, but it's a pattern of behavior. It's troubling at best. That they tell him, well, everybody down there loved Carl Reagan, I tell ya, he sure was great. Because doesn't it immediately make you doubt. This is pre-internet, he could go the rest of his life

without finding out that wasn't true. Well, that's true. Doesn't it make you doubt whatever Paul said about how his wives died? Oh my goodness. Well, that's also, anytime a car ride boy says, oh, come back to the pond to rest. No way, he got not safe.

We got a real collection of lady grapes. Well, there is a reference in this episode, Will, when he's saying, I want my boy's body back, he says, he says to him, Ben, you've got a wife buried on this land. Yeah. You've got a wife. Got a wife buried in the pond. Rosa, you know how much Ben go. I saw a bingo like one.

You have no idea. I'm running out of land. The only dead wives we know about are the ones that gave him sons. Right? Right. That's true. I'll be damned. Could be any number of dead wives all around that land. My God. Yeah. He's a murderer. Could be any number of dead wives all around that land. Oh my God.

Yeah. He's a murderer. America's first state of killing. Did they later have movies of Bonanza like they did Gunsmoke? What is Gunsmoke? Yeah, there you go again. There was a couple of TV movies.

There was a movie, is it Gunsmoke? That's what you explore in the movie. Oh, well later on this season. We just have a couple of questions from US Marshals coming in. Missing person's list. All the trails seem to lead here. I'm sure we're just helping you clear this up real quick.

Point us in the right direction. We're not staying. It says here you've been married over 34 times. Now that Nevada is a state. How do you grow all those crops? I've never seen such fertile soil before. Your peaches are bigger than anyone's in Virginia City. Why is that?

What a delicious meat pie. What's going on here? Ha, slicking his chops. No, I didn't. Ha, slicking his chops. Well, sadly, with this episode, there's now only 378 episodes of Bonanza left to go. I'm curious how many more Adam episodes there are. I feel like this was his real... Oh, that's what it was.

To get his show. Trapper John. The day after this aired, he called his agent. He said, send that all around town and get me a better job. Yeah, that's probably right. How many, yeah, we'll see, we'll probably get to when he leaves, right? He's just got a couple more seasons. Uh, I forget if he leaves in four or five.

Yeah. Might've been four. They let him go a full year early out of his contract. That's saying something. They did. And so he got paid for that? No, I don't think so. Oh, okay.

He didn't get paid for the year. I think there was a day when actors said, you're in a totally successful show and you're like, I'm sick of it. Yeah. He has a gray's anatomy, you heard that. Chevy Chase. McLean Stevenson,

McLean Stevenson who left MASH after one season says that he and Chevy Chase used to commiserate all the time. Is that right? Yeah, that's what he says. But now Chevy Chase did a little bit better after he left Saturday Night Live than McLean Stevenson did. That was after only one season?

I think so. That sad episode. I liked him, what was he thinking? Hello Larry. That's right. That's what he was thinking. He thought he was gonna be a big star. I don't know.

Well Festus replaced a character named Chester who was there for like five seasons. What happened to him? He was the same thing. He went, oh, I think he was McCloud, became McCloud. Oh, McCloud. Also, Polly Jean Holliday from Alice, she left Flow, remember? She did?

She left pretty quickly and then there were three Flows. What? Well, of that type, they weren't named Flow. There was Flow and then I think it was Jolene and then Diane Ladd. You know, she was in the original movie for Atlas. She came back. Same thing with Chrissy leaving. That's true. Suzanne Summers. Yeah. Then it was Jenny Lee Summers who was Grand Marshal of the Whittier Christmas Parade.

And then Priscilla Barnes. Yeah. Terry. Terry the nurse. Yeah. I remember her. Yep. People used to. Terry. Terry the nurse. Yeah. I remember her. Yep. People used to leave successful TV shows in the 70s.

What were they thinking? Yeah. Yeah. Suzanne Summers, what did she get out of it? Just became a billionaire with a thigh machine. No. And the Ropers left because they were given a sitcom that they did not want to do. Oh, really?

And then it tanked and then they were left high and dry. They wanted to remain on Three's company. Right, and then at that point Don Knot's taken over as the landlord. That's right. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably what it was.

Don Knot snuck in there. He said, get rid of these two. I'll come in there and man, this show's gonna be so much funnier with me. He's a funny Western character, Randy Gribble. That is true. I wouldn't put him in the same. No one's.

No one's funnier than Don Nott. I was gonna say that. When Don Nott died, I cried. And like a lot of people that meant a lot to me, I'm not sure I cry when they die. And I'm like, why is it when Don Nott's died? And I think it's cause childhood and when he came to me. I did that one.

Lucile Ball died. Same thing. Uh-huh. Yeah. And Tim Russert for some reason. That one? I can't explain. Tim Russert?

By the way, this is my friend Matt. I never cry. I know. That one made me laugh. No, I don't know. But, uh, uh, Apple Dumpling Gang, right? Oh, so funny. Yeah. Private Eyes.

First 30 minutes of the incredible Mr. Limpin. Bad. Good stuff. And then he starts, he becomes a part of the war effort and it gets boring. Like Private Benjamin. Here's a weird question. Private Eyes, Tim Conway and Don Knotts, just like Apple Dumpling Gang. Uh-huh, and The Prizefighter. Am I remembering this? That's a Disney movie for families, right? Private Eyes. I think so.

I think there's boobs in that movie. Really? Am I remembering that? Well, there's boobs in all the vacation movies I recently found out. Oh, yeah. Oh, you thought, let's watch Christmas Vacation. Oh, you thought let's watch Christmas vacation, 10 year olds? I mean, I was raised on those. Wait a minute, am I?

All right, before we conclude this episode, we are going to determine whether there was boobs in private eyes with John Knott and Tim Conway. How do you look that up? This is gotta be something I've misremembered or something. In the meantime, you should go ahead and formally plug your, we could listen to it. That's right. Improv for Humans, it's a comedy improv podcast, I don't know what else to say,

but we have great conversations like this and that launches us into comedy scenes. You would do like, you do a comedy scene on a, if we used to talk about Bonanza, you'd do a comedy scene on it? That is what we'd do. We'd talk about it for like three minutes and then we'd go into a comedy scene about it. Well, I don't think there's anything funny about Bonanza at all. It is serious. It'd be tough to do. It's a wonderful, very serious show and you learn a lot of lessons like the Gringos ain't so bad. What'd you learn? It's just cleavage. It's extensive cleavage. I must have filled in the blanks when I was a kid because I saw that at the theater. I don't know. Walt Disney drew the line

at Nipples. He says, we ain't going to see none. All right, folks, that's it. That's an episode of Bananas for Bananas. Anybody else got anything more to say? No, sir. No, sir, here comes my sign off. Now get, bye now. Wow. ["Bananas for Bonanza"] Bananas for Bonanza is brought to you by Andy Daly with Matt Corley, theme song by Matt Corley, with The Journey, which in this case are Mark McConville, Daniel Michikoff and Wade Wright.

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