Bonanas for Bonanza - Bonanas For Bonanza Episode #64: “Elizabeth, My Love”

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

Subscribe to The Andy Daly Podcast Project at Patreon.com/AndyDaly On this very special flashback epiosode of Bonanza, we get to meet the first of Ben Cartwright's dead wives! Season 2, Episode 33, 'Elizabeth, My Love’ takes us to a New England port city where a young Ben Cartwright first gives voice to the dream that would become The Ponderosa, and gets a taste for wife-burying.    Featuring Matt GourleyMerch: redbubble.com/people/ADPodProject/shopMail: PO Box 9407 Glendale, CA 91226Email: [e-mail]’s website: andydaly.comRecord date: 9/3/2024 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Yeah, you may have seemed like it's coming every week, but we took ourselves three weeks off. Yeah, we had a nice little, was it a whole three damn weeks? I believe it was. Went by like a locomotive train on a track or something like that. That's right. Fast like. As the saying goes.

As the saying goes. Listen up. All right, I don't have a lot of explaining. Number one, we don't have a guest today because there's one fella that said, yes, okay, and then no. And then the lady that wrote Gone Girl and some of the other wonderful things, Gillian Flynn. Is it Gillian or Gillian?

I think it's both. I think she goes by Gillian Gillian Flynn. Just to keep people off her trail. Right. It's also Hillian Flynn. Oh, Gillian Gillian Hillian Flynnian. She wrote to us on Instagram. She posed with a vampire steak and steak and Gillian, Hilly and Flynnian. She wrote to us on Instagram. She says, she,

she posed with a vampire steak and steak and a, right from Redbubble, a t-shirt of Bananas for Bananas. And not just any vampire steak, a certified limited edition Bananas for Bananas, a vampire steak. Oh, that's correct. Dripping with blood from a vampire I myself slid. That's not paint. And no, it ain't paint. And she says, you got to have me on your show, immediate, in her inbox.

Let's do it. Come on now, on the third of September. But I don't know, the direct messages on Instagram is confusing. Less direct than you might think. Yeah. I didn't make a message. I made an invitation or a request to have a discussion. You have to request an invitation to have a conversation or some shit like that.

That's because if you don't follow each other, you can't direct message someone. Some people have their DMs open and just come at me, come get me, slide as they say into my DMs. Other people, they put up a gate, they put up a firewall. That's the only way to get into DMs, isn't it? You got to slide, don't you? You have to slide. You do, huh? You have to slide into home. Yeah.

The first bass, you can't slide it first. Well, they say you can't slide into first, but you know, I think you can't or you shouldn't. Well, how come then the song goes when you're sliding into first and you feel something burst diarrhea, diarrhea. Oh. Well, all right. Let's take the song as the authority. You can and should slide into first, especially if you're suffering from diarrhea.

Well, okay. So there's that business, but that's fine. I'm more than happy to have a no-guy episode, but here comes the more crazy thing. I'm going to read you word for word what was posted on the Patreon as a programming note. And let's see if you can follow this. I think this is the work of Dudley Dudley. This is, oh, okay. Ready? Okay. Bananas for Bonanza,

episode number 64 will focus on the 65th episode of Bananza, season two episode 33, Elizabeth, my love. That's today. We're about to do that. We are skipping ahead for guest scheduling reasons. Bananas for Bonanza episode 65 will focus on the 63rd episode of Bananza, season two episode 31, The Secret. Are you with me so far at all?

I believe I am. All right. And Bananas for Bonanza episode number 66 will focus on the 64th and 66th episodes of Bonanza. Season two, episode 32, The Dream Riders, and season two, episode 33, Sam Hill. I like this because what I'm expecting now is episode 67 of Bananas for Bonanza focuses on episode 67 of Bonanza. And hands forward there, forward from? Perfectly working out just fine. Nothing can stop us now. That's what it says. Discussing two episodes of Bananzas and one episode of Bananas for Bananzas will mean that as we head into

Bananzas third season, Bananza episodes and Bananas for Bananzas episodes will have the same numbering. So does this actually begin with the first episode of season three? Yes, sir, it does. Episode 67 is the first episode of season? Yes, sir. It does. Episode 67 is the first episode of season three of Bonanza. Wow. Which is when Bonanza moved to Sunday nights and took over television. Man, right now, they're still lingering on Saturday, not doing good, but not great. It was this episode. What did it? Everybody says, I got to know.

Got to know more. This is a real important episode we're gonna talk about today. Elizabeth, my love, it's called. Hello, friend, come on in, the gate is open wide. That marks the official beginning of this episode of Bananas for Bananas. Here to four up now,

it ain't in real a part of the episode. By the way, this episode we're recording right now, it's supposed to be on the feed tonight, So old Marty McConnell has a lot of work. And he's aware of that. He's aware I made him aware of it. Okay. I'll get these files to him post haste. But that one thing that means is that all the kinds of things that normally get edited out of these episodes, there just ain't going to be time to edit it out.

Oh no, I better watch my silver tongue. Watch it my friend. So would I say something like, last night in Burbank I pushed a werewolf in front of a bus? That's the kind of thing I normally listen to the episode and it's been edited out for god knows what reason. Like when I go on another rant about hating Nazis, we better take that out. Yeah, because we got a lot of listeners who are Nazis and we can't offend them. All right. This episode has everything.

It has the death of a love interest. You better believe it does. There's no other kind. Nope. It's got a flashback into the past. It's got Lauren Green in a darker wig than usual. It's got a bare-fisted bra and a very rare mention of slavery. This episode is titled Elizabeth, My Love. It is the first

of three episodes that flash back in time and show us old Ben Cartwright and his wives that he done buried. Is it all name, comma, my love? That's what they're done. Wow. And how soon are they coming? Not as soon as you think. I think. They gotta wait till they find a dead pilot script that they can tool into this.

Yeah, it's take a while. The story is that the writer of this episode, he was sitting on the set one day and he pitched this idea. He said, I'd like to kill off Ben's wives. And the producer said, okay, sure. And here to for they knew they were dead, right? Yep. We've always known that Ben Cartwright had three sons with three different women, all of whom died. And it's heavily implied that it went, have a child, die the mother,

have a child, die the mother, have a child, die the mother. Die the mother. Die the mother. Have a child, die the mother, Die the mother. Die the mother. Have a child die the mother. Spare the rod, boil the child. And so we're gonna get to see that beautiful process play out. We've seen the first of three of them. It's so exciting. It really is.

Let me tell you some things about this air date, which was May 27, 1961. The number one movie in the country was, insultingly enough, a reissue of Gone with the Wind. Whoa. I know. They brought it back to the theaters because it was the centennial of the Civil War. This is 61, you say?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, centennial. Oh, that makes... Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah. I guess that's better than bringing back Birth of a Nation.

I guess so, but maybe they did that too. Probably did. Wikipedia says, when adjusted for inflation, Gone with the Wind is still the highest gross in film in history. How's that possible? I think that's incorrect. You do? Why do you think that?

Well, what about old Star Wars? They'd break every damn record. And Titanic and Avatar? And Titanic and Avatar. I think Gone with the Wind's had more time time to run and it was everywhere and everything. You don't think Avatar's got time to catch up? Put a pause on Gone with the Wind. Let Avatar catch up. Avatar can fuck off. Star Wars catches up. I ain't never seen it. You ain't never seen it?

No, Avatar, I ain't never seen it. You seen Dances with Wolves? No, actually. Well, then you ain't seen Avatar. It's the same damn movie? Basically. Hey, that reminds me, I done watched't seen Avatar. It's the same damn movie? Basically. Hey, that reminds me, I done watched old Kevin Costner's Horizon American Saga. Oh, you want that but not Dances with Wolves, huh? That's right, I did.

And you're gonna do parts one through four? Holy shit, is there gonna be four of them? That's the plan. Oh my God. How was it? Well, I gave it my extremely divided attention. I'll tell you that. And I don't wanna give you any spoilers, but I will tell you that. And I don't want to give you any spoilers,

but I will tell you this, it is a Western, okay? It appears to be shot in the United States of America, unlike some other Westerns that are shot in one of the Zealands. Oh yeah, or Italy or what? Yeah, or some bullshit like that. It also, unlike other Westerns I could mention, I don't believe that anybody in this

movie is gay. There ain't no goddamn gay cowboys. I've seen so many times in so many modern Westerns. Kevin Costner said, no gays. And then also the women are anachronistically beautiful, which I appreciate. I like that. Yeah. And the fellas a bit too. Yeah, that's probably true too. There's a lady in there who looks like her hair is all nicely curled every morning. I like to see that.

If you see pictures of actual people from the 19th century, everybody looks like the runt of the litter. You know what I mean? Oh, absolutely. And I don't want to see that when I tune into a movie. How can you not have a patina of dust on you? My understanding is they'd only bathe on Saturday nights, if even that. Right.

And then they'd have to share the bath water. That's right. They would. And they never get a decent meal and there wasn't such a thing as dentistry. People looked terrible. Yeah. Don't show me that. Good on you, Kevin Costner, for making sure everybody's beautiful.

Seems to be a movie about, from what I could glean, native peoples. Peoples come from, peoples that do not native peoples. You've got me. Say no more. Sounds great. Come to where they, and then they shouldn't go there, and there's other places they could be safer in this conflicts or something like that. That sounds a lot like Dances with Wolves.

Is it? And Avatar. I ain't never seen, which one should I see first if I'm going to do a double feature of Avatar Dances with Wolves. Is it? And Avatar. I ain't never seen. Which one should I see first if I'm going to do a double feature of Avatar and Dancing with Wolves? I think Dances with Wolves. All right. Then Avatar.

And then Avatar 2, The Way of Water. Oh, shit. How many Avatars is there? There's going to be at least four. Four Horizons and four Avatars? Can you believe it? Man, what a time we're living. I was just reading two, and they are long, by the way.

I was just reading how, I was reading the Making of Tombstone, that book, and how Costner started turning his long gestating Wyatt Earp TV project into a movie and then basically tried to like mafia style shut down Tombstone. What the fuck? Because there's both about Wyatt Earp. They are, aren't they? Yeah. That Kevin Costner, I didn't know he was like that. And it didn't pan out. No, it didn't. I'd rather watch 10

Tombstones to one white Earp. That's right. That actually made me think, I thought to myself, watching Horizon American Saga, part one, Kevin Costner, I thought to myself, this feels to me like it was written as a streaming series. Oh, I've heard that a lot. Is that right? But he very distinctly says, I want to do movies. I think what happened was nobody would pay him to make it into a TV show. He says, I want to do movies and I want to sell my, I want to put my houses up for collateral in case it doesn't work.

And he might be in trouble. Here's my advice. Wait until all of the horizons movies that come out and then they have chopped them up into the format that they was originally meant to be as a series and put it out on a streamer. They did that with hateful eight. Oh, did they? It's on Netflix as a four episode television.

Get the fuck out of here. Is that for true? I am here to stay. I ain't never seen it that way. I'm-episode television show. Get the fuck out of here. Is that for true? I will now. I am here to stay. I ain't never seen it that way. I'm gonna watch it. And they added a little bit of blood.

They did. Is it good? I started watching it recently. I kind of come and go with it. You know, it's not my favorite Tarantino. What's your favorite Tarantino? Oh, Inglorious Basterds. Oh, that Inglorious Basterds.

By a mile, by a country mile. Really? Oh, yeah. I like that one too. Yeah, what's your favorite? My favorite might best be Once Upon a Time in America, because I believe you can smell By a mile, by a country mile. Really? Oh yeah. I like that one too. Yeah, what's your favorite? My favorite might just be Once Upon a Time in America, because I believe you can smell, they don't talk really about bonanza, but you can smell bonanza when you're watching

it. I recently watched that too, isn't it? I like that, that's up there for me too. They don't mention bonanza. What'd I say? Once Upon a Time in America? I think I said that, but I meant Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Maybe there's a mention or two of Bonanza, but it feels like they talk about bounty law and things like that. That's not a real show, but it feels like

maybe we're talking about Bonanza. Dan Smokey. That's a good one, man. That old Tarantino. He's got to come on this podcast. Him and Gillian Healy and Gillian Flynn. That's it. Then we can wrap it up. When does fast grocery delivery through Instacart matter most? When your famous grainy mustard potato salad isn't so famous without the grainy mustard. When the barbecue's lit, but there's nothing to grill. When the in-laws decide that actually they will stay for dinner. Instacart has all your groceries covered this summer. So download the app and get delivery

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to take the lead, and most importantly she learns to believe in herself. Whether she's 5 or 15, Girl Guides is where she gets ready for her future. Sign up today at girlguides.ca slash join us. The number one country song in the country on May 27, 1961 was Hello Walls. I know we've talked about it before. Willie Nelson wrote it. Farron Young recorded it. Hello Walls. It's a man talking to his, the various aspects of his house about how

lonesome they must be since she's gone. He's still talking to the walls. He's still talking to the walls and the ceiling and the window. What's this say here? Farron Young, I did a little looking into him. He had a great career. He's still talking to the walls and the ceiling and the window. What's this say here? Farrin Young, I did a little looking into him. He had a great career. Then in 1972, he was charged for assault for spanking a girl in the audience at a concert

in West Virginia who he claimed spat on him. How did that work? Did he go down into the audience or did he invite her up on the stage? I feel like he must have gone down in the audience and spanked her as a measure of discipline. Put her over his knee and spanked her? Yeah. Yeah, you're not supposed to do that. You should be charged with assault.

And this is coming from a guy who hates Nazis. Yeah. I don't know what that means. This was the guy, I know we talked about him before. Unless it's happened more than once, his ashes were spread in Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash's house while the Cash's were away. Remember we looked into that. And we never knew if they knew it or not. Right.

So that's him. The number one song in the country, I wonder if you've ever heard this song before. I had not heard of it. It's called Mother-in-Law by Ernie K. Doe. I don't believe so. Well, let's listen to just a little bit of it because it's a fairly entertaining song, Ernie K. Doe. I don't believe so. Well, let's listen to just a little bit of it because it's a fairly entertaining song, Ernie K. Doe. Sounds good.

It's a bit of a, maybe you'd call it a novelty song. A lot of novelty songs at number one. ["The Worst First Man I Know"] Mother-in-law, mother-in-law. The worst person I know. Mother-in-law, mother-in-law. The worst person I know. She worried me so. Mother-in-law, mother-in-law.

If she leave us alone, we would have a happy home. It's just a, it's what they call today a diss track on his mother-in-law. A diss track. Oh yeah. A diss track, right? What's the chicken on the egg with mother-in-laws? Was it the zeitgeist joke or really there was, who's like the, what do you call it, the like ground zero mother-in-law, the proto mother-in-law?

Right, that's a good question. Who started all this hatred of mother-in-laws? Was it like a Jackie Gleason joke or you know what I mean? Did it start off as, I wonder? I had a dream the other night. I hung out with Jackie Gleason backstage at a play and I says, you ought to get into podcasting. I never bother people with this. I never tell someone to do that. But I think Mr. Gleason, my God, you're a band leader, you're an actor, you're a director, you're a brilliant comedian. I've seen Smoking the Bandit. I'm not shitting you. It's your finest work. Let's do an improv podcast." And he was very, very reluctant, but then he eventually agreed.

He did? Yes. Wow. Then it made me sad to wake up and remember he's long dead. Yes, that is an impediment, I suppose. But in this age of AI, I believe Mutt Taylor and Jackie Gleason could have a podcast together. It's Sheriff Buford T. Justice along with Mutt Taylor. Absolutely.

Oh, that sounds wonderful. That sounds fantastic. All right, computers get on it. This mother-in-law song goes on to say, Satan should be her name. To me, they're about the same. This man hates his fucking mother-in-law. Ernie K. Doe went on to do a radio show in the 80s where he billed himself as Mr. Nogahide. Okay. Is there a Mrs. Nogahide? There was. He was married.

I know Mr. Nogahide. Senator, you are no Mr. Naguaheid. But did you know Naguaheid is a brand name? So they came after him. Oh, so I always, that's like Kleenex and Crescent Ranch. I guess so. So it's just a vinyl leather, but they call it Naguaheid. Yeah, that's a brand name. I didn't know that.

I didn't either. So then he went and called himself the Emperor of the Universe, which is a hell of a promotion. Unless he didn't understand what Nagahide was. I guess so. He became a famous local eccentric in New Orleans. One of his most notable later performances was at the Aquarium of the Americas in New Orleans. The show ended with Cato performing seven continuous renditions of Mother-in-Law while

dancing in front of the Gulf of Mexico shark tank exhibit dressed in a green plumed cape. Wait, that's a one time that happened or every time? One time he did a show at the aquarium in front of the sharks and sang Mother-in-Law seven times in a row. I'm starting to side with the Mother-in-Law on this one. I'm side with the sharks for sure. Side with the sharks. That's good. That's good. Ironically, he is buried in the same tomb with his second Mother-in-Law. I'm siding with the sharks for sure. Siding with the sharks.

That's good. Ironically, he is buried in the same tomb with his second mother-in-law. Is that right? Yeah. Isn't that weird? Well, which one did he sing about? I don't think it was her. Sounds like it.

So it sounds like he found himself a real great mother-in-law that he wanted to be buried with. Strange fellow. That seems strange to me to be in a tomb with a mother in at least past the 80s. That seemed like a bygone tradition and I'm talking since the 20th century even. Yeah. Wow. That's a lot of money too, right?

Maybe in the South though. A tomb? Yeah. Oh, it's New Orleans. It's got them above ground tombs down there. Yeah, they're big on tombs there. They are, man. Oh, man, they are.

All right, celebrity birthdays. US canoeist and kayaker John Lugbill and Kathy Silvers, the actress from Happy Days who played... The first Aaron? No, and not the Tuscaderos, but her friend Jenny Piccolo. Jenny Piccolo. Oh, Jenny Piccolo.

Yeah. Oh. It's Kathy Silvers, Jenny Piccolo. All right, congratulations to you guys for being born on May 27th, 1961, the date of this episode. She must've been young on happy days then, huh? Oh, yeah, I guess so.

Yeah, you're right, like a 15-year-old girl. All right, folks, let's talk about some of the actors that was in this episode. Geraldine Brooks played Elizabeth Stoddard, the first wife of Ben Cartwright. That we know of. That we know of. That's true. The first one the TV show covers. The first one to give him a child. Yeah, that's right. That we know of. She was on all the great shows. Ford Theater Hour, Magnavox Theater, Lux Video Theater, the Kaiser Aluminum Hour,

the United States Steel Hour, General Electric Theater, Kraft Mystery Theater, all the great shows. But listen to this, her first husband was a fellow by the name of Herb Sargent. You ever hear of Herb Sargent? Sounds familiar, right? Herb Sargent. Is he one of, no, unless he's related to Dick Sargent, I don't know who he is. Herb Sargent was one of the original writers of Saturday Night Live. He helped create Weekend Update and he was the first one to say the not ready for prime

time players. He came up with that. He must have been pretty old. If he's right, then he's the first one. I think he was. Yeah, he was old because he wrote for Carson before that and he'd been around. It seems like they wouldn't want an old guy on that show full of upstarts. I know. They had one oldie. They had one guy who knew what he was doing, I guess.

And that's what also he was the one that came up with not ready for prime time. That's a real insult coming from the old timer, I guess. Her second husband was Bud Schulberg. He wrote On the Waterfront. He wrote a book called What Makes Sammy Run? And another book about F. Scott Fitzgerald. He was a big deal as Bud Shulberg. What did make Sammy run? I don't know, but I'm going to read that because it was a book about Hollywood. Sammy Conn, I think, he's a Shulberg's executive.

John Wayne did not like Bud Scholberg. He said he was a communist and he was right. So Geraldine Brooks was married to a communist. Okay. Geraldine Brooks, her last acting job was a TV show called The Dumplings about Joe and Angela Dumpling, a comically overweight couple who own a luncheonette. What year was that?

It was James Coco. It was the early 80s. It looks terrible. It sounds great. Wait, they own a kitchenette. A luncheonette in New York, in Manhattan, and then they get a lunchtime crowd of people in there. That sounds really good to me.

Yeah? All right. Well, you should check it out. I might. All right. The Dumplings it's called. Captain Abel Stoddard in this episode was played by Torrin Thatcher. He was born in colonial India to British parents.

He played the king, aka the ghost, of Hamlet's father in Hamlet at the Old Vic with Laurence Olivier and Vivien Leigh. Whoa. Yeah. You know what? What? It's funny you should mention that. Yeah. Tiny quick side story.

Please. Yesterday, I watched the movie The VIPs. You ever heard of that? No. I believe it. It's 61 or 63. It's one of 11 films Burton and Taylor did together, right? Okay.

But it's based off a true story regarding Laurence Olivier and Vivien Leigh. It is? So, as it goes, Vivien Leigh wanted to run off with the Australian actor, Peter Finch. Okay. And she wrote Laurence Olivier a letter whom she was married to. Left the letter at the house. Finch and Leigh went to the airport to abscond, I believe to the United States.

Oh my goodness. And knowing that he wouldn't get the letter till they were well in the air and nothing could be done about it. Okay. But it got fogged in there in London. Oh no. And Laurence Olivier came to the airport and he says, you're not leaving. And she didn't. Wow.

That's what happened. Holy shit! That's essentially what happens in this movie between Burton, Taylor, and Louis Jordan. Oh, Louis Jordan. It's a middling movie as far as reviews go, but I pretty much enjoyed it. I'm going to see it now. That sounds like a good story. Rod Taylor's in it. Maggie Smith's got great opening titles.

It all takes place in the 60s airport. It's very melodramatic. Heathrow. If it was even Heathrow back then. And then the ending is a little bit out of date, but. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think I can imagine it.

Well, that's a wild story. Yeah. If you are trying to leave and get out of the country before the person finds out, she should have mailed the letter, don't you think? Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. Well, next time, Vivian Lee, what else? He originated the role as Billy Budd in The Miracle Worker on Broadway, he was in, and then he did shitty

movies such as Blackbeard, comma, The Pirate. Okay. We figured that. I know. You don't have to tell us he's a pirate. Blackbeard, comma, the chimney sweeper who once had a white beard. Different guy that you're thinking of. To hell with Hitler.

Saloon bar. Okay. Now you're just getting redundant. He was in a movie called gas bags in 1941. I don't know what that's about. That's fun. And then he also, he become famous as Marplan in Star Trek. You imagine a guy playing Marplan and Star Trek, walking around going, you

know, I did the ghost of Hamlet's father with Olivier and Vivien Lee. Were you in gas bags? Well, yes, I was. Okay, good. So that's him. He does some extraordinary overacting in this episode of Bonanza. Mandible. The bad guy in this is called Mandible.

That's also the case with the movie Ants Life or Bugs. Bugs Life. There's ants and bugs life. Bugs Life. There's Ants and Bugs Life. Bugs Life, Ants. I think I'm thinking about Ants. The Woody Allen one? That's right. Is Dan Leone in that?

Am I making that up? I don't know, but I know Sylvester Stallone was a bad guy ant named Mandible. Okay, yeah. It makes a little more sense for a name of an ant. It really does because they have big, strong mandibles. Right. This is a bad guy named Mandible, played by Barry Kroger, who was the first village elder in young Frankenstein. I love when you do these. Right. It's fun, right?

It's my favorite part. It is good. Well, now here comes the most craziest part. Okay. There's a scene in this episode of Bonanza, where a man shows up and tells Captain Stoddard, he says, the stockholders have voted to retire you from your command of the wanderer, which is the name of the ship. And the fella doing that scene is none other than Ted Knight. Ted Baxter with Mary Tyler Moore show and whatever his name was, Henry Rush. Was that his name?

In Caddyshack? No. Fucking too close for comfort. Oh, too close Comfort. Yeah. He's in Judges Males. Oh, shit. I knocked your microphone. It's my microphone. You told me that this morning. I did not catch it.

And I don't know if it was just because I didn't look hard enough or what. But that blows my mind. You did. You watched the episode. You had no idea that was Ted Knight. Yeah. Well, it looks just like Ted Knight, but he's not being in the slightest bit funny, which is real weird to see. Yeah. It's strange. He saw some shit in the war to Ted Knight.

Did he? Yeah, he did. Which theater? Oh, well, Europe, I believe. Then he became proficient with puppets and ventriloquism. What? I mean, that does explain the cosmic cow. Remember, he used to draw the comic strip with the pencil in the mouth of the puppet. And I was always as a drawer myself wondering, that's some real talent.

How do I get to that level? Wow, really? It's impossible to do. He can't do it. He did television shows locally where he was, did you know this? I'm about to blow your mind again. I bet you, I wonder if you know this. Do you know he has a small part in the movie Psycho

that Alfred Hitchcock directed? No, I just watched that. I know. What did I, did I know and I've forgotten I know. I'm gonna show it to you. And this is somebody's video they put together on YouTube. Was Ted Baxter in Psycho? And the answer of course is yes.

Oh, is he at the end? He's at the very end. Oh, I don't want to see all this. Bullshit. This is made by an old person. Yeah. I'm scanning through to get to the good part. So they're walking down the hall. There he is! That's young Ted Baxter. Opens the door at the police station. hall. There he is. That's young Ted Baxter opens the door at the police station. Yeah, it sure is. He's got a moment there.

Look at that. Handsome fellow. Monroe. You're just nothing like it. Do I remember this correctly? Monroe was played by Jim J. Baldwin. That's correct. Who was credited in that show as J.M.

His first name was spelled J.M. That's how they spelled Jim. They left out the I. They did or he did? He, I think there was an issue with somebody else in the union named Jim Bullock or something like that. So he's J.M.J. Bullock?

J.M.J. Bullock. Jim J. Bullock. Later in his career, he added back the I. Oh. Later in his career, he had it back the eye. But was the thing that he was lusting after Henry Rush's daughters? I think you might be conflating Three's company with this. I think he was more just like a little sidekick. Maybe I have that wrong. I don't know, but when I think about it

now it's hard to believe that that would be the case. Yeah. Here's something else you might not have known that Ted Knight did. What? Well, I'm gonna play it's just an audio thing I'll play for you. Oh, I didn did know this. Yeah. In the great hall of the Justice League, there are assembled the world's four greatest heroes, created from the cosmic legends of the universe, Superman. That's 10-9. I know because when we were doing, when my friend Matt was doing Super Ego, they do some

Legion of Doom sketches and we had to recreate that. And then I realized it was, it was Ted Knight. I never knew that it was Ted Knight. It's funny. He also recorded an album of Silly Songs. Well, you know what? I'll save that for the bonus pod. We'll talk about that there. Okay. All right. But the other thing I want to tell you, he did, he appeared in several episodes of the love boat, including, including one episode as a rival cruise captain. Doesn't that sound good? That does sound good. Particularly since the regular cruise captain was played by Gavin McLeod, who was on Mary Tyler Moore, the two of them was on Mary Tyler Moore together. And now they're rival cruise captains on Love Boat.

I bet Ted Knight looks just right at home in a cruise captain pilot's uniform. Absolutely. I'd like to watch that episode. Yeah, we're going to have to watch that. The VIPs is a lot like a melodramatic episode of Love Boat. Oh, really? Yeah, because all these people get stuck and have to kind of counteract or interact. Interact with one another.

And then as you mentioned, Ted Knight was in old Caddyshack. That was his last thing really before he died, right? No, because then he did Too Close for Comfort. Oh, but maybe he did, maybe Caddyshack was after that. Well, his final film role was Caddyshack. Yeah, his final film. All right. That's right, he did too close for comfort. Okay, all right, then you got, here's a question for you.

The bald shopkeeper, Richard Collier in this episode. Yeah. I just wrote this down, because I thought you might know it. He played Pepper Boyd in Christine, the movie about that killer car. Yeah, we watched that not too long ago, but I couldn't tell you who or what that is. But I can tell you that Ted Knight was in too close for comfort with Nancy Dussault,

who I saw do The King and I Live. No shit. That blow your mind? That blows my mind. It's me and the rings. How was Nancy Dussault in the kicking ass? I just remember being floored that I was in the same room with a woman from Primetime Network Comedy Television. Yeah, I can imagine that.

And Pat Carroll was in that show too, who was the voice of Ursula the Sea Witch. Okay. I'll take your word for that. I think she was his landlord or something. Who was she? Remember she was a heavy set gal with white short hair. What? She came in later.

Like sometimes they add a kid or just an old heavy set gal. Uh huh. You got to spice some things up. They had somebody. They did add a small child to Too Close for Comfort, I think. No, you're not thinking of family ties. Here's what happened on Too Close for Comfort. Brian Bonsall.

Oh yeah. On Too Close for Comfort, they did something where it got canceled, but then it went into syndication and he became the editor or the owner of a small newspaper. What? Yeah. And I think that, and maybe they changed the title to the Ted Knight show, but he was still the same character with the Cosmic Cow backstory. Really? Yeah.

This is like what they did to Bosch. Oh, what? Now? Oh yeah, yeah, I think you told me that. Yeah. Yeah, they changed up Bosch. I still haven't checked it out. Yeah, you got time. You know what I'm watching now? What? Dark Winds.

What's that? It's on Netflix. It's a place on the Navajo reservation and it's, crimes are going on there. Oh, is it good? Uh, yeah, it's good. It feels like a Western. I'm watching Bad Monkey. Oh, I've bailed on Bad Monkey. I enjoyed it.

Now Slow Horses starts tonight. Oh shit. Slow Horses. That's that British show. Yeah. And I'll forgive it because it's about spies, which are the urban cowboys. And I don't mean in a John Travolta way. I don't think I've ever seen that film.

I haven't either. Come think of it. Interesting. I had one when I was a kid. My mom watched it. So I watched it in the room. But. Right. Wait, was I going to say, oh, slow horses.

They're going to do that thing where they put out one every, every week. Yeah. I'm thinking I might wait. And watch it all at once. At least they put this show out every week. Yeah. I'm thinking I might wait. I'll wait. And watch all the ones. I understand. At least they put this show out every year like television was meant to be.

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But they're just acting like, what? Talk about coming in, immediate arrest. Yep. He's sick. The doctor explains he's going to have a moment of crisis tonight. Sick and dying. They don't tell us what he's sick with, but the doctor knows for a fact that he's going to reach a moment of crisis tonight. And he is either going to die or pull through and be just fine. These doctors in this episode are really sus. Oh my God.

That's the other day. I don't want to jump ahead. But Ben has Adam and you hear a baby crying, like the first cry of a delivery, he comes in the room and goes, it's a fine baby boy. Well, I'll be at home if you need me. Yeah. Even before, between those two, he just gives a dirty look to the dying wife. He's like, your baby's fine.

And then just sort of looks over at her like, I ain't got nothing nice to say, so I ain't going to say anything about her. I'll be home if you need me. And when Ben saddles up next to her, she's just like, oh, my throat's so dry and nobody fetches any water. No they don't. No. I know a cure for a dry throat, water.

Well don't waste it on a dying person though. Oh, good point. That's it. Water's hard to use. They gotta pump it out of the well in those days. That's true. That's hard work. Don't waste it. All right.

So Adam is dying and Ben is so distraught. He goes up and sits by Adam's bedside and he looks at a photo of a beautiful young woman, which then comes to life in a flashback. We see that woman in the moment. It seems that the photo was taken of her, but there's no photographer there. She's alone in the room. Oh, Bonanza, you expressionistic son of a bitch. Yeah. But then it gets even weirder because then she walks over to the mantle and looks at a beautiful painting of a ship that then comes to life.

It's so brilliant. In a flash sideways to the same time but a different place. And I was kind of like, how many damn pictures are going to come to life in this episode? Yeah, good point. Flashing us all around the place. I don't think it happened again, but I thought, is that the whole episode? Is pictures come to life? No, it's like what dreams may come.

You can walk into a picture or a painting. Yeah. It was like, this picture takes us back for 30 years and then this picture takes us out to the ocean. In the same, yeah, lateral move. Yeah. Well, here on the water, we see Captain Abel Stoddard, who is, I don't know, he's an irascible, combustible figure and his first mate is young Ben Cartwright. Can you believe it?

And we know he's young because he's got dark hair and the other captain has a really fake beard. Yeah. He's got a beard that's almost like a horn. It comes out straight off his chin. Like a cornucopia. Yeah, like that. Yeah.

Fake beard, the pirate. Yeah. And Ben, I mean, not only does he have a dark wig on, this is quite a performance. You've never seen Ben Cartwright so innocent. I know, isn't it something? Yeah, obsequious to his captain and he just seems like he hadn't had a moment of pain or suffering in his whole life. He's just a sweetheart.

I never would, in a million years would have guessed that he was a seaman. I mean, neither, and not only, but a very able seaman, the best first mate Captain Stuttered has ever had. That's right. Well then we get to land and we find that this woman from the picture who has the power to turn a boat into a scene on the ocean. A picture of a boat. I think she would have been a bigger deal.

Yeah. I think she would have been a bigger deal. She is the daughter of the captain and she and Ben Cartwright are an item. So Ben is Dayton, the daughter of the captain of the ship to which he is first mate. And then they're going to go over to dinner. They have a dinner, the three of them together, where Ben pays the captain the nice compliment of saying, you have a real feeling for ice, captain. That's the nicest thing you can say. Then Liz, she does a real good impression of her father. That was a moment of real acting there, more than they usually let the women get away with. I'm surprised the director

didn't say, Paul back. That's too good. Cut to a painting. That's too good. Cut to a painting. And then we learned, by the way, that Captain Stoddard's wife, she's also dead. All the wives didn't last long. Now we have Ben and Liz, we call her Liz, gazing out at the water. He bought her a music box. They kiss. They're fans of the poem Paradise Lost by Milton.

The two of them is. I don't know that poem. You know anything about that poem? No, but I know it's referenced in the movie Seven. Okay, good. Well, now we have the scene with Ted Knight where Ted Knight says, hi guys. He says, Zock Holders want to retire the captain.

Zock Holders want to retire the captain. She's gonna have to step down. Meanwhile, the fall of justice. Batman. That's exactly what it sounds like. Oh, man. So that's it. He has fired Captain Stoddard. And man, he doesn't take it well.

But not only that, he tells Ben Cartwright, you know who's going to take your father, your father-in-law to be his job? and man, he doesn't take it well. But not only that, he tells Ben Cartwright, you know who's gonna take your father-in-law to be his job? You. We'll see you bright and early tomorrow morning. You're the new captain. Boy, does he put Ben in an awkward position. He'd have kept him now.

Yeah, but Ben doesn't want the job. Well now, we got Abel Stoddard is at the pub. He's getting all drunk. He calls the bartender, you bug-eyed rum peddler. I'm going to be calling that the bartender's now. Say it again. You bug-eyed rum peddler. Yeah. It's a good one. Ben comes in, he's been looking for him. Then we have a thing where Ben's just trying to talk some sense to his drunk and girlfriend's father, trying to say,

I don't even want the job. You fine, don't be crazy, don't go crazy. And the drunken father, he is beyond reasoning. And so Ben, he has no choice, but to just punch him unprovoked in the face. Yeah, that was real something. And then he gives him a hard lecture, man, about I don't know what, but just straightening

my mouth. He should record a little novel to sound called Father-in-Law. Yeah, Father-in-Law. If Satan should be his name. With them, Ben explains to Liz that he had to punch her father because he has so much respect for him that he couldn't listen to him make a fool of himself in a bar like that. So yeah, I don't know.

I could do without that kind of respect personally. I've respected a lot of people in bars. Let's put it that way. Hell yeah. So, all right. Now Ben explains, what is it talking about? Oh, they have a real fight these two, because Liz is now saying, my poor father, I couldn't leave him now.

And Ben says, we're gonna get married and go somewhere. And maybe we'll bring your father with us or something like that. But she's just like, I have to prioritize my poor father now, Ben. And he storms out. But then the next day, they both separately have silent moments of thinking. We see the both. And then they both come to some understanding and they

run to each other and they bang into each other on the way to run to one another to apologize. Yeah, isn't that cute? It's beautiful. And one of them has got a jar of peanut butter and the other one has a Hershey bar. But Ben has an idea. And he goes in and he proposes to the captain, he says, I'm going to become a ship's chandler. I never heard that term before.

Chandler? No, I, does that mean you're going to be the one that does a lot of ironic comments? Yeah. You're the one who tells the boat, could you be any more of a boat? Which is not something Chandler really said, but it was on the Samson's and so on. I think we understand. Okay. Then, but a ship, Chandler, I guess is a fellow who outfits ships, seems like.

Okay. Something like that. It's a shop caper who sells large models of ships. The only merchandise we see in their shop later. There's references to chronometers and sextants and compasses. Oh yeah. The auto lights. Yeah.

And rope. They sell rope. All kinds of rope and all kinds of configurations. So okay, Ben says, here's my deal. Ah, my dream is to go out west and own the Ponderosa. But to save up the money to do that, I'm going to open up a shop where we sell things to ship captains. And you and me is going to be partners in the shop, old man, and all that.

He can't believe it. But in the space of a scene, he goes from absolutely not. I've been a captain of a ship for 40 years. I would never tell. All right. How much do I pay you? Why didn't he just give the father-in-law or coming to be father-in-law, get him to give him money for the Ponderosa and cut out the middle neck. I guess they had to earn more.

Uh, I guess so. Yeah, I guess so. But now, okay. Oh, she's pregnant. They're running a shop. They never say she's pregnant, but he keeps telling her, go lie down. You can't say that on TV. I guess that's right. I don't know about that, but. It was weird the way they didn't mention it. And it does seem that Abel is not happy as a shotkeeper at all. And that's when he runs into Mandable, a slimy Brit who he runs slave ships is what he does.

And he wants- The actual slave ships or was he just saying if I'm the captain, I'm calling it a slave ship because I'm not wanting to be on there? Here's what happens. It is confusing because Mandible says, you could be the captain of a ship again to Abel at a bar when Abel is drunk. And Abel says, oh, what do you want me to captain one of your slave ships? And then Mandible says, no, I have something even better in mind for you. And then they drop it. I guess it is. Well, but then later on, Abel says, I know what kind of business you're in and I don't want any

part of it. And then later, there's reference to he's going to be the captain of a slave ship. See, it's a little confusing. I thought this was post-Civil War. It's not- Well, now, normally, no, because Bonanza takes place in 1861. They were in the heat of the Civil War, I believe. And this is- It started. Huh?

It just started. Okay. Oh, so I guess they were still running slave ships then. Yeah, this is a flashback to maybe 25 years before that. That's true. Right? And where are they? New England.

Not specified where. Interesting slave trading center, the heart of the North. Okay. I don't know. That must have been, but. I don't know. But Mandible seems to know, and he is offering, you know, he's putting Abel back in command of his ship is what he's going to do. But, and by the way, oh, we did see a little scene where Mandable, Mandable runs is also a Chandler.

And so Ben is his competition. He's a real potter, Mr. Potter. Yeah, he sure is. Yeah. And, and Abel is playing the role of Uncle Billy here, fucking things up with money. Basically what happens.

So okay, there is a beautiful, I think they call it a canted angle, a Dutch angle. Dutch angle, yeah. It's very Batman. Yeah. Because Batman had a lot of like guys in cap, wool caps looking like semen too. Yeah. And so all of a sudden from the point of view of drunk Abel, he's surrounded by Batman henchmen. You know what else has got a ton of Dutch angles in it?

What is that? The mini-series John Adams. Oh yeah. Isn't that weird? That is weird. I don't know why they did that. Come to think of it, watch his name Paul Giamatti as John Adams? Kind of looks like the Penguin. Yeah.

Okay, there might be something there. Maybe that's in the Batverse. You know that you mentioned it. The fella in this, the dad, you close your eyes, it sounds, he sounded a lot like Burgess Meredith as the Penguin. Oh, you're right. I'm not even joking. At times I'd turn my head and I thought I was listening to Burgess Meredith. Actually, you know what? I didn't even mention it, but one of the actors in this show, Otto, Richard Collier, who played Otto, he also played a character named Otto Puffendorfer on an episode of Batman.

So he must have been standing around the set going, I tell you what they would do on Batman. Let me explain how six years from now on Batman, they'd turn the camera like that. A lot of autos on Batman. Auto Preminger, auto this guy. That was the most, they said it was the most auto heavy show of the sixties. Yeah. I've heard that. I've heard that too. Okay. So now what happens? Okay.

All right. Here's the deal. I'm going to try to cut to the chase. Mandable says to Captain Stoddard, he says, you give me a whole shit ton of money and you will be the co-owner of a ship that, yes, I suppose whatever, maybe it's going to be full of slaves. I don't know. But you're going to be co-owner and captain of a ship.

I need a whole shit ton of your money." Stoddard goes to Ben and says, hey, all that money I gave you to buy into this store, I'm taking it out now, plus any profits I make because I'm going to go do this. Ben says, no, you're drunk. I can't let you do that. Then Captain Stoddard sneaks in later, goes to the strong box and takes out all his money later goes to the strongbox and takes out all his money and gives it to Mandable and becomes part owner in a ship. And then what happens is Elizabeth finds out about it and she's mad and she collapses on the stairs. He killed her.

He killed her. He did kill her. He basically killed her. She's pregnant or at least Ben thinks she should lie down all the time. But I think we understand she's pregnant and she has collapsed. And it makes Captain Stoddard say, oh shit, okay, fuck, I'm fucked up. I'm going to go tell Mandible and he's a perfectly reasonable man. I'm going to say, I want out. I can't do it. And Mandable says, you'll be on the deck of that ship tomorrow morning, bright and early, but he's not.

And then we find out that as a result of Captain Stoddard not showing up to pilot the slave ship, somehow or other Mandable owes Ben Cartwright's Chandler shop. Yeah. He's a as dumb. He is dumb and drunk, but that guy stole it from him. He stole money from him. But it is why- He's double stealing it.

You know how sometimes you go to a store and they say, if we do not offer you a receipt, your purchase is free, which seems very extreme. But this is exactly why receipts are important, man. They don't give you a receipt. So sometimes, you know, when I see a sign like that, I try to distract the clerk as much as I can. I try to make conversation with them as much as I can. And then I walk out of there,

and then I will turn right back around and go straight to the manager. I didn't get a receipt! Yep, sometimes I go in there with my hands, my arms tucked into my shirt, like I ain't got arms. Yeah. And they, you know, I can't take a receipt. That's right.

Yeah. Yeah. And they, sometimes they're too polite to offer it to you because they say you can't take it. I did that once at a glove shop. Oh, really? And they didn't offer me a receipt because I didn't have arms. They didn't know what to do.

They were embarrassed. And I went right up to the manager and I said, I did not get a receipt for these gloves I bought. Then the jig was up because they knew why would I be buying gloves. Oh, which for somebody else though, man. I didn't think that was. Oh, shit. They got me good.

They got you good. Well, I'm not saying you're always going to get away with it, but it's worth a try when you see that sign. Well, anyways, now we got a situation where Ben Cartwright says to Mandible, he says, okay, look, you stole a whole bunch of money from my father-in-law. Are they married now? They must be. Yes, if they're pregnant, they got married.

They have to. Yeah, they got married. We didn't see it. We never see that. Also, because we know that he kills his wives, don't see him munch housing by proxying her little bit by little bit. That's true. But we know it's happening.. But we know it's happening.

Well, we know it's happening. Because there's no other explanation for her. Been dying. This episode was a little light on how he killed this one. Yeah. I'm sure we'll see more on the next two. Right. I hope so.

But I think you're right. It was a gradual poisoning is how it appears to be. It has to be. That's how Ben did it. There was lead everywhere back then too. Oh yeah. He's just feeding her lead shavings in her puddle. You think she's... There was lead everywhere back then too. Oh yeah. He's just feeding her lead shavings in her pudding.

You think she's thinking that? Sharp fibrous metal in my chocolate pudding. In those days, that wouldn't have been uncommon. But so we got, uh, Ben is willing to borrow money from somebody to pay Mandible all whatever it takes to buy Captain Stoddard out of his contract for the slave ship. And then somehow that turns into a brawl and it's a good one. This is Mandible's henchman fights Ben and it's the first time we see Ben who up to now has been so polite, so sweet nature. It's the only action in this episode.

It's the only action at all. But it's a good one. And yeah, a couple of stuntmen going at it hardcore in a Chandler shop. If you've ever wanted to see that, this is your chance. Go to your local Chandler shop. I thought at the beginning of this episode that Adam was going to die and this is how we lose him from the series. Oh, you did? Yeah, but I realized that's not for a while. No, sure.

Quite the opposite of him dying. He is literally born in this episode is what happens. That's opposite of dying in my opinion. And then he faces a crisis in the middle of the night from which he chooses the right fork in the road. He does. So now we got, okay, that's all taken care of, uh, or sort of it actually, this element is never resolved.

We never see that Ben borrowed money and paid mandible. That's just kind of whatever. Fine. That complication, forget about it. But here we go back at home now. Ben, what has this been? I guess it's been enabled. Right. I'm skipped around here a little bit.

Okay. Whatever. Basically, what's your name? Oh, I see. What's going on over here? Is that Kaz and Duckaby? Kaz and Duckaby just getting out of swimming lessons. Swimming lessons.

I don't think girls should be taught to swim in my opinion. Don't worry, Duckabee's teaching Kaz. Oh, okay. Here's the deal. This is the scene where the doctor says, Ben, you got a healthy baby boy. And then he just casts a dirty look at the wife in the bed. And then he says, I'll be home if you need me. And Ben, nobody says anything about that she's sick dirty look at the wife in the bed. And then he says, I'll be home if you need me.

And Ben, nobody says anything about that she's sick or how she's sick or what she's sick with or what the problem is. There's just a quiet understanding that sooner enough she'll be dead. And it's clearly past the point where he can do anything. Nothing can be done. He just doesn't care that she's going to die. And she's by the way, been in bed for most of her, most of her, what you call it, pregnancies, been in bed, I guess, ever since she collapsed on the stairs. Well, my question is, what could be killing her that wouldn't also be violently apparent

in a bloody and physical way? You know, there wouldn't be just like consumption. Yeah. There has to be some hemorrhaging or something that's killing her so as to preclude this peaceful and romantic death. What I think we were more in for is a just blood-stained sea of covers. She's warm. Her face is warm. Oh, so it's just a fever.

It's a fever, I guess, that she's had ever since she collapsed on the stairs. She does describe hallucinating during labor. Okay. And she also said she wasn't in pain. She was in no pain. Maybe she's hallucinating that. Yeah. And then the moment that we know she's dead is when she says, oh, my music box, and she She was in no pain. She was just hallucinating that. Yeah.

And then the moment that we know she's dead is when she says, oh, my music box, and she snaps it shut. And in that precise moment, she dies. Yeah, that was keeping her alive. The music box was keeping her alive. She never should have snapped it shut. But that's it. She's dead.

And a couple days later, whatever, an old lady named Mrs. Callahan, who we haven't met before. Seems awful familiar to them. Sure does. She's got the baby in a horse drawn wagon and Ben is climbing on there with her and they are headed west to make his dream come true, which Elizabeth told him he must do. And he has less money than he had before. Exactly.

That's right. He's going to sell the baby. Has he paid off the loan that he borrowed to pay off Mandable? We don't know. He must sell Miss Callahan. Oh, that's it. She's not the old Gallic shows up later, is she? I don't think so. She's pretty old.

She wouldn't be around. Maybe that's her daughter. Maybe. And Captain Stoddard, who's lost his daughter, and now his grandson is going out west with his son-in-law and some old crone, and he seems in high spirits. And we don't know what because of him. Yeah, it's because of him. He killed his daughter. We don't know what becomes of him. What becomes of the captain? Good point. Maybe at some point he gets a little warm.

I assume he finally took Mandible up on that offer and he's been conducting slaves across the seas. For another what, three years? Something like that. Yeah, he says at some point he'd been a captain of a ship for 40 years. I don't know. That's a long time. Yeah, that's true.

But so, okay. That's it. He says, oh, go get over it. Move on. She'd want you to. Okay, bye. Back to the present day. My goodness.

Adam has snapped out of his fever. He's fine. Never better. Never better. Never better. The music box is at his bedside. That reminds me of... Did you watch Presumed Innocent? Yeah, I did. Well, quick spoiler alert if you ain't seen it, but... Presumed Innocent, the mini-series on Apple TV with Jake Gyllenhaal.

Everyone, Bill Camp's character has a heart attack at the end of the Cliffhanger one episode and then the beginning of the next episode is not only is he okay, he's improved. He's better than he was before the heart attack. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I thought, oh boy, he died. What a crazy way to die. He didn't die. Better than ever.

That show really started strong and went off a cliff. Yeah. Adam describes his dream of being on a ship. Who cares? I mean, who cares? But that's it. We have found out, we have seen the birth of one of the Cartwright boys is what we've seen.

That's right. And we have seen the death of one of Ben's wives, but it has not gone into with specificity, but it is pretty clear he has slowly poised. He pulled off a thing where he poisoned her while she's pregnant, I guess, but the baby turned out okay. Yeah. I wonder which Cartwright bride lives the longest after the baby's born, because this

one is pretty quick. Oh yeah, it's real quick. Right. If they all die in childbirth, I think that would be disappointing. longest after the baby's born because this one is real quick. Oh yeah, right. If they all die in childbirth, I think that would be disappointing. Because didn't we learn Hoss' dies on the trail? Well I don't know. There is a song on a Bonanza album that explains how all these women died and I don't know if-

Well we're going to have to revisit that more if it's canon. That's right. That's right. Does the show stay faithful to the song? I don't know if- We're gonna have to revisit that one if it's canon. That's right. Does the show stay faithful to the song? I don't know. Wow. With that, we have only 367 episodes left to go. Now, here's what's real crazy. A week from today, you and me and Pat Noswalt are gonna sit down and talk through three episodes of Bonanza in one sitting, which will be divided into two episodes of Bonanzas for Bonanza.

I got to start digesting those episodes now, but if I start too soon, I'll forget about them. I think there's no way to do it, actually, that is not going to result in confusion. That's what's going to be fun. I hope so. It's up to you, Bonanzaanza to be very clear in the presentation. Each one of these episodes must be extremely distinct from the other. Got all the faith in the world.

Well, all right folks. Thanks for joining us. What'd I say? 367 episodes left. Hey, there's been some questions about the address of the PO Box. It is PO Box 9407 Glendale, California, 91226. And the email is bonannaspod at gmail.com. That's all you need to know.

All right, folks. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you. But up this Friday, we're going to do a bonus nanis for bonus nanis. That's what we're going to do. Woo-wee, we're busy. All right, folks. So, whoa. Now wee, we're busy. All right, folks.

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