Bookwild - Books that Define Our Reading Personalities

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

This week, we share 5 books that define our reading personalities.Follow us on Instagram:Gare @gareindeedreadsKate @thegirlwiththecookonthecouchBooks We Talked AboutWhite IvyA Density of SoulsAlias EmmaJar of HeartsThe Paradox HotelThe Woman InsideNinth HouseA Court of Thorns and RosesPretty GirlsThe Good DaughterThe Seven Husbands of Evelyn HugoLuckiest Girl AliveThe Last HousewifeTV Shows We Talked AboutBeefMurdaugh Murders Get Bookwild MerchCheck Out My Stories Are My Religion SubstackCheck Out Author Social Media PackagesCheck out the Bookwild Community on PatreonCheck out the Imposter Hour Podcast with Liz and GregFollow @imbookwild on InstagramOther Co-hosts On Instagram:Gare Billings @gareindeedreadsSteph Lauer @books.in.badgerlandHalley Sutton @halleysutton25Brian Watson @readingwithbrian 

Hey guys, welcome to the Killing the Tea podcast. This is Gare and Kate. And we are going to be discussing all things, chills, thrills and kills. Kate and I are going to be talking about our favorite books, TV shows and movies that are in the thriller or crime fiction genre, as well as some reading habits and other items related to how we met on Bookstagram that will fit in with this podcast. So, Thank you so much for joining us, and we hope that you have fun and get totally terrified. I'm just drinking my tea out of a mug that's as big as my head. So I love that. I'll stay away.

Oh, my God. The lips, t-shirt and the nails. I mean, could you be cuter? Thanks. Honestly, oh, my God. She's a gem. And the watch. I'm just obsessed.

I'm going to get an Apple watch. You should. I like it a lot. I liked mine. It just stopped working. Yeah. I also need to get a new MacBook first. Yes, you do.

Because then we can look HD. Yeah. So I'm going to get a new MacBook first. I'm not like big on like... Did you watch Sex in the City? Yeah. I mean, I haven't in a while, but yeah. Do you remember how Carrie Bradshaw had like a flip phone

until she had to get like a smartphone? Mm-hmm. I feel like that's how I am. with iPhones. Like when like a 14 comes out or 15 or a 16 or 12 like 20. Yeah. 14 or whatever. I just like don't care.

Like I just get a new iPhone when mine stops working that well. If it continues to work well, I'm like, I'm good. Right. Yeah, mine is, I think I could upgrade mine. But I haven't at the moment. It just hasn't been what I've spent my money on. Yeah. Mine's like two years old.

to 12? I saw the truck. Again. Well, no. It's always this time, right? I actually was thinking of texting you this weekend a lot. To be like, I heard it. I heard it again.

I heard it again. But like if I had started that trend, it would have been endless. Yeah. I had a cargo van. So we would have. have really just spiraled. I heard it so much and it was so late at night because my sleep pattern schedule was not it this weekend.

But holy shit. I heard that truck and I saw it today and it's like exactly what you would expect to see in the documentary about my murder. Like it is kind of beat up and black. Yeah. And very loud. And it just looks like the kind of truck that you see at night. And you're like, that looks suspicious.

And then it like turns its headlights on. You know what I mean? Like very synodic. You're like, oh, that's the cue that it's suspicious. Yeah. And I saw it today. And it was driving very fast past my house. And I was like, I live in a very rural area.

So like for one car to be driving up and down my road that much is just like very suspect. Yeah. But I also like, if you combine the house in the beginning of screw. with Drew Barrymore and the Idaho case house. Yeah. That's the setup of my home, basically. Like, I live in a rather large house in the middle of nowhere with like four different ways to break in and murder me. So this truck driving by is very suspect.

So I think it's my stalker. I think so. You're basically doomed. I'm doomed. And TikTok knows that. TikTok knows that. TikTok knows. TikTok has been sending me.

You're being stalked tarot readings and I'm like What is going on? I have never gotten that on TikTok So it is just you I've gotten the tarot things where it's like There's animosity between you and a friend

Or like No shit Your love like your future lover is going to be coming Into your life at 11 p.m. on like April 14th Or something stupid like that But I've never gotten like A dark one that's like you are being stocked.

You are going to be dead soon, bitch. That's what it's telling you the last like three weeks. I know. I'm like, is the TikTok algorithm so good that it hears the same loud serial killer sounding truck driving by my house so much that it's like, let's fuck with him a little bit. I think it does. I think that's what's going on. Yeah.

So that just makes me think that, you know, in the result of my untimely death. here are some books that represent who I am as a person. I loved this idea. So I was thinking, what are five good books that just describe not just your personality, but like here's how to get to know me through five books and why. Yeah, kind of like your reading personality. My reading personality and like just a, kind of give you an idea as to like why I am into the books that I'm into. So when I'm like posting,

you know, oh my God, I love serial killer books. The darker the better. You're like, then why do you love White Ivy so much? Exactly. When it's not like a very fast-paced novel. So that's where I got the idea from of just being like, hey, like, here are five books that I love. I've talked about them all before, so there's really no surprises. But I figured it would be kind of fun. I love chatting with you. So I thought it would be kind of fun for me to just kind of give a one to two sentence summary instead of reading off good reads. And then it would be more fun for us to discuss if this works for you or not.

Yeah. be a book you're thinking of or just being like more into why it works for me or what it does for me yes as a reader compared to like be like it was in 2017 when ony finale that then we mispronounced stuff

yeah yeah story of my life so I guess that being said I shall kick it off then yes if you're ready

I'm ready you're gonna be like you could like totally sleep during this and probably tell me the five bucks I'm not even gonna lie you over maybe if I'd slept better I know I know I hear you there

I actually slept last night too which is like surprising like I went to bed at 11 o'clock and I had that like feeling of like delirium almost. Yeah. Like I was like, I can't think. Yeah. Nothing's making sense right now.

But anyway. So my first one. But anyway, I couldn't think. You know, whatever. Let's get to know each other. So my first one is a book that I read in high school that stuck with me. for years and years that I will always recommend. I read this my freshman year of high school, I believe.

And at the time, I had a bookstore in the mall that I used to love to go to. Like, that was my thing, right? Like Thursday nights, my parents and I would go into town. We would go out to dinner and we would go to the mall. And like, I would get my allowance, which wasn't me getting my allowance. It was me bargaining with my parents to raise my allowance. It's $5 more so I could get either a CD or a book. Yes.

The thing about my parents is like, your allowance is say $15 a week. We'll buy you a $25 book, though, because we love that you're going to be a reader, that you're not just like, you know. Yeah, you were buying video games. Not that I think video games are bad. No, no, they're not. But, you know, I think there was more of a stigma. Yeah. Growing up that, like, it was better to be a reader than it was to, like,

sit in front of the TV and rot your brain in a video game. Right. It's going to stimulate your brain a lot more when it's developing. Right. Right. And it's definitely a cheaper hobby. Yes. But you know what? All of those people who were obsessive about video games. like I was books in high school probably grew up to be video game developers and all of that.

True. Good for them. Right. I'm not. I'm not. But my first book is A Density of Souls by Christopher Rice. You know, growing up, there was not a lot of options for LGBT fiction.

You know, so this was like pretty much the first queer fiction story that I read that I was like, oh my God, this is just everything in my person. There's like a little bit of a thriller. It's drama. It's bleak. Yeah. It's perfect. And it's basically about like four friends who were growing up together in the minute they enter high school, the gay one.

is pretty much shunned from the group for being gay and like the two guys bully him that dives into you know it's a very character driven but it also kind of like made me enjoy books that not only are a little bleak but like realistic you know when you have really dark secrets in your past and when you have really tragic things happen to you as you're growing up It can affect you and change you as a person. And it was just such a like wild reading experience because the story goes in so many different directions that, you know, there were a lot of different genres within this book. And I was like, I want that, like, I want something like this all of the time in my life. Yeah.

And I love it. And I kept writing a bunch of books. So you kind of. In every genre. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, now he writes romance.

he has science fiction he has thrillers he has sci-fi thrillers yeah he's just it's anne rice's son you know like talent runs in the blood i am just learning that that's really yeah i didn't catch that part christopher rice is anne rice's son yeah that is so impressive mm-hmm and cool yeah i love that he's learn these things all the time i know and he was one of my first crushes like celebrity crushes. Oh, I love that. I will never forget. Do you remember David La Chappelle?

I feel like I do, but why? He was this, like, really popular photographer that did, like, very... Yes. Like, amazing photo shoots. Mm. And he did one with Christopher Rice, when Christopher Rice's, like, book first came out,

and it was, like, Christopher Rice with like one arm up and like this like white tank top and there were like shreds in it like like he was like a whirl. Yeah. And it was so cool. But I was like, oh my God, I'm going to try to marry that man when I grow up. Did he get married or is he single? Do you know? I believe he's single.

Mm. Never know. So I haven't. He hasn't offered to me. He does call me a pocket gay, which is very nice. Oh. because I'm always like, well, I'm like short and mouthy. And he's like, you're a pocket gay.

Oh, I love that. Like I told him how when I went to the doctor. Yeah. I hope it's my. I hope it's my. Me too. The gossip session after. I actually did tell him this whole time.

I thought I was five foot seven and a half. And my friend Tyler, I could have been five nine and my friend Tyler would just be like, you're five five, you know, like just to like harass me. So, yeah, so I go to the doctor and they're like, you're five six. And I was like, you're five six. Yeah. So keep in mind, when I went to the drive, like to the DMV to get my driver's license and everything, I'm like, I'm five seven and a half.

So I'm just going to tell them I'm five eight because like, what does it matter? right so I've just been lying oh no for years that's wild because I thought I was 5-7 and I'm like 5-7's not that bad and my friend Tyler's like you're not 5-7

and I'm like you're just being like you're just trying to like find something to be shady with me on and think that like you're just trying to be like you're shorter than you think he'll like joke around and be like you're 4-11 you definitely have 4-11

but now I'm like did Tyler curse me because I'm getting closer to 4-11 because now I'm like five I now I'm five six apparently I can't say apparently I can't say apparently I went to the doctor are like yeah I just yeah so I told Chris Freud so I was like I'm really more of a pocket gave than you thought before because I'm five six instead of five seven I love that and he was like I knew I just knew yeah he's like well you know you're sticking with you know sticking with your your nickname here That is jarring to find out your shorter.

I might have a book that he sent me that he signed to my favorite pocket gay. Oh my gosh. You're going to keep that forever. Oh, my God. I will never, ever, ever, ever. Yeah. Like when we first found each other on Instagram, I think it was when the Burning Girl series came out. Yeah.

And I, like, posted my review and he was, like, obsessed with it and, like, my cast and everything. and then we like kind of like were you know friendly and each other's DMs and stuff and he sent me like a bunch of books of his oh i love that yeah he's so nice so sweet i know you always comments when we talk about him a density of souls mm-hmm it's a good one it's so good did you read it no you've got to be like really like I will read it with you because you'll need someone to hold your hand during this but like yeah it'll be Taylor Jenkins read level crying yeah I believe it that's probably why I haven't read it yet but it might be time maybe I'll read it next I feel like I can handle sadness right now oh my god I want to read it with you I will okay I want to

even give you a choice. I'll just be like, what page are you like? We'll think about it. Yeah. I mean, I'm game. Whenever, whenever you want to read it, I'm game. I will be there with you. I have like, I don't know how many pages left. So maybe, I mean, I could, whatever. We can discuss off air when to start it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Not bored people with the details of my week. I love the details of your week. Well, I know you do. People love our conversations. That's true. You're right. You're right. I was trying to think of one since you brought up that you read this one when you were younger, but I don't think there was anything. I don't think there was. This is what I think of it. I will say this book is what turned me into who I am today because I went from like goosebumps to this book.

Oh, wow. Yeah. You know, like I was reading like goosebumps and like then maybe like Fear Street where it was like teen stuff. But it was like the call's coming from inside the house. the cheerleaders are demented. And to like this book by Christopher Rice was like emotionally traumatizing. And it just turned me into the bleak little bastard that I am today. I think gone girls would do that to me. That helped too, right? Yeah. Yeah.

It came out at the perfect timing because I had like just started college too. So of course it was gone girl. I don't know. Just started college. I like just started my career. Yeah, but like, because that's only a few years different, you're not that much older than me. The dogs are losing their shit downstairs. So if you guys are- So much more mature.

I'm so much more mature. Yeah. You're like married and have it together and you like handle everything in life well. And I'm like having like one emotional meltdown a week. And my love life has a disaster. And I'm going to be 36. getting now they're bleak. No, because we laugh about it now.

I'm just like, oh, whatever I'm going to keep going. I don't have all figured out, though. Not even. And I love an anxiety spiral. So I'm with you. This is a rough week for anxiety. Yeah, your week was way more anxiety producing. I'm just burnt out and grumpy.

Same. We're so fun, guys. Yeah. On the funest episode ever. Hope you love it. Well, since I don't have one, I mean, we've talked about Gone Girl a million times. Not that I haven't talked about these books a million times too. But I tried to like think of all of the different subgenres I read.

And so Aalius Emma was my. spy novel um part of my personality i don't know why i blanked on the rest of that sentence but i'm obsessed with that yeah it was it's just you it's just one of my favorite spy novels that i read um basically emma is a spy who gets tasked with like bringing a uh not a mark what is it bringing an asset in, I think, is what you would call it. And it's the son of these two other spies. And he's resistant and he doesn't want a believer that like, that he like needs to go in for his safety.

And then the CCTV gets compromised. And am I frozen? No. I'm just like, CCTV gets compromised. This sounds so complex. It's like not Because most of the book is

She needs to try to get It's dumb Garrett It's not Oh my gosh She beats to take him It's complicated You're like it's not That's just you

I think you could handle it But I totally understand I will never force a spy on you Unless he's really really hot But this is a female So I would not force her on you on you, but maybe the guy she brings in because he's pretty hot. He doesn't want to trust her at first, and he doesn't want to have to go in.

And then her boss calls and is like, you can't bring him in. We're compromised. So the whole book takes place in like 14 hours while she spends the night trying to get completely across London without walking in front of any cameras. and the action is amazing and it's just everything is so fast-paced and they end up really liking each other and she left us on a cliffhanger about that

but the next one comes out this summer oh I was like she just left you on a cliffhanger yeah we have no clue what's going to happen but they fell in love in one night I honestly how do I say this and there's no shade in what I'm about to say My favorite thing about you loving a spy thriller is that like a spy thriller is like somebody is out and about as far away from their home as humanly possible.

Scaling buildings and like trying to handle all of this stuff. Yeah. Like without a beat of sweat coming off their forehead. And you're like, I have to go work for shopping. I don't want to go for a walk. but we're both very introverted I think I like to shop a little bit more like I think I would be more introverted if I wasn't such like a shopaholic

right yeah yeah but like our social batteries I'll say are very similar I think so so I just like love how you are like everything I have and everything I want is at home I am fine I will be social when I want to, but if I don't, don't push me to it. And then there's like this spy thriller where this woman's like, I have to go to the Bermuda Triangle to go and find and save the Prince of Wales.

And like, you're like, yeah, bitch, let's fucking go. Do it. Yeah, let's do it. I know. It is so not anything I would ever sign up for in my real life. Yeah. It's just so... I live right here.

Well, I mean, the thing that's interesting is that you know, a lot of people will say like I love reading for the escapeism. Yes. And this is a very good example of escapeism because like you're like, I'm not going to be a spy. I have no interest in doing that. I think you would do very well as a spy. I think you are very, very, very smart and you think very quickly on your feet.

I do. But I'm just not. My name's Kate. I'm just not interested in that. No, I can't go outside without sneezing. So I need someone else. do it and I'll live it through them. Yeah, yeah.

But it's just like cracks me up when you're like spy thrillers because you're just like, I would have never guessed that. I would have thought when we first met, as much as we have a lot of books in common and a lot of things in common with tastes and stuff like that, I would have thought you would have been like the dark, like bleak books. And then you're like, yeah, Taylor Jenkins read is my idol. I love spy thrillers. And I don't get confused with science fiction.

And I was like, you are the most intricate person I have ever met in my entire life. And I love it. Well, thank you. I like being intricate. You are just. I, of course, have a sci-fi book on my list, though. So I'm, you're very neat. That was kind of laughing me.

Laughing me? That was making me laugh. Oh, my God. Me laugh, too. that was laughing me. Me laughing. Yeah. Well, I mean, my next one is no surprise if we're talking bleak and gritty.

Yeah. Is it Jennifer Hillier of some sorts? Yeah, it's charhearts. Sharp hearts. Like, I just, I love grittiness in a thriller. I love being uncomfortable when I'm reading a thriller. I love, I don't like people taking the. light and easy way out, if you will.

You know, Gone Girl did something completely different, but I don't like when it's like, I don't want to use this as an example because I don't think this was like a dark thriller, but like apples never fall where somebody was just it wasn't as bleak as you thought it was going to be. You know what I mean?

When people go, yes, when women, young women in high school, college, when they go missing, 90% of the time, it's not a good outcome, right? You have that 10% where maybe there's miscommunication or she was like, I'm pissed at you, I was off with my boyfriend, whatever. But Jennifer Hillier did not take the easy way out with this book. No. No. And it's about a girl who goes missing in high school and her friends grow up. One of them is the detective that is believing that her disappearance and ultimate murder could be related to a series of murders that are happening years later. And the other friend is like just super successful and gets arrested because

they find the friend's dead body buried in the backyard of her house, basically. But there's so much more to the story regarding her being in a relationship with a very toxic man who was quick to manipulate her in high school. And it wasn't just that this was her first love and he was a bad boy. He was also a serial killer. And- in detail. Yeah. And now the serial killer is behind bars.

And these murders are starting again. And she's more confused than ever while also trying to claim her innocence. Yes. And it is so bleak. It is so bleak. It is gritty. And the characters are all a little messed up in their own way. And I like that.

Do you know what I mean? You don't have somebody that's like, I investigate murders during the day. and then I go home and carve pumpkins with my children. Like they're like, you know, they can't be great at everything that they want to be in life. And they're very realistic and they're very fucked up. And that's what I like. I kind of like grittiness and I like fucked up characters and, you know, kind of like how I felt when I read Joanne Cheney's. Oh, I have it on my list.

what really happened? I might be it. Internet space, though. I don't know. I can't find it. Many books, but whatever. But yeah, I just like grittiness, and I like complicated characters. And Jarre of Hearts gives that to me and, you know, it gives you a serial killer storyline.

And it just really solidified the fact that, like, I like dark and heavy elements in my thrillers. And I have more respect for people who take a realistic approach to things rather than like, oh, I'm going to do like twists and turns and, you know, stuff like that and try to, like, trick you. Because, like, if I read a book about somebody who's gone missing and they show up alive in the end and they didn't pull a gone girl, I'm like, realistically, that's not. Yeah. That's not it, you know.

Right. I get that. When you were saying tons of unlikable fucked up characters, it reminded me that we watched beef on Netflix this week, weekend. Everyone's been talking about that. It was fantastic. One of the most flawed casts I've ever seen. And it's like a thriller, comedy drama.

or 30 minute episodes. I like that. And everyone is messed up and the whole premise is like, kind of like how bad can things get if two people with anger issues, like their lives collide. So it's really good. It sounds good. I still haven't finished Swarm.

Yeah. I don't want it to end. I know. I was going to start that one. And then Tyler wanted to watch beef. So it's... You're gonna love Swarm. It keeps getting bumped.

But I'm gonna watch it. I actually have something very interesting to tell you. I thought of you last night. I started the Murda Murders on Netflix. It's the three-part docu-series. And I was like, I think this might be... I'd probably like that. I think this might be the case that gets you into true crime shows.

Because people got really... really into that one too. I can see why. Yeah. I was not like a very big, like I was not very knowledgeable about this case and this family. But as you're reading it, or as you're watching it, you're like, holy shit, this is so interesting. And I said you are extremely intelligent and you think so quickly on your feet.

Yeah. that like you would be such a fun person to watch, like I wish that there wasn't crime out there, let's be honest, but like you would be such a fun person to watch true crime with. Yeah. Well, because I get into it. Like home girl things like- How you're complimenting me about it. It's serious.

Like I was like watching it. I was like, what the fuck? Like, I don't even know what the fuck's going to happen. Because I'm so like lost and like just completely like blown away by, you know, everything that's going on in this case. And then, like, I was like, this would be the one. It's either that or the John Grisham one that's on Netflix. Yep. But I'm like, Kate would love this.

And it's only three episodes. So if you were like, true. That's perfect. My saying you only wasted like two and a half hours. Right. That sounds good. There's one on Hulu about the Sarah Lawrence cults that a lot of people are saying is really good. And I've been thinking about watching that one, too.

I want to watch that too. I want to watch both of them. Yeah. Get me into it. I'm sure I can. There really is. It's not that I'm against it. So there are,

I bet if I looked at my Netflix history and stuff, we watch a lot of documentaries. And I'm sure some of them were crime. A lot of them probably were crime-related. I just didn't think of it that way. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. I'm mostly about the murder ones.

Yeah. Not because I enjoy people getting murdered, but I am very fascinated and interested in every step of solving a crime between like forensics, the police work. Yes. The witness statements, DNA, all of that. Like, that just makes me, like, I'm just like extremely interested in that. Yeah. Especially when you compare cases now to cases from the 70s, 80s, and 90s when they didn't really like DNA, like wasn't as advanced as it is now. Yeah.

Or available. Like that would have been so much harder. Yeah. I don't know how they solved anything without like video footage or something. Well, it's like the what the fuck was this? The Golden State Killer. was this serial rapist who escalated into murders. And his, like, that was unsolved because they just could not catch him until, like, 40 years later, they used genealogy.

So crazy. And this detective sat outside his house and waited for him to take his garbage out and tested it. The DNA from this crime scene against some of his garbage. That's how they caught the- Brian Coburger for the Idaho. Yeah. Yeah. They needed a firm to take out his garbage.

Same thing with Brian Coburger with the Idaho case. Wow. I thought that broke chain of custody. I thought you had to like, or maybe you just can when you're really, really suspicious of someone. What do you mean? I didn't think you could take something like without a warrant. Oh, girl. Garbage is like when you bring your garbage out.

You're right. You're right. Or like, have you ever seen, yeah, like, have you ever seen, like, any, like, crime police procedural show where they, they bring the person in and they're in the interrogating room and they're like, do you want a soda? Yes, I've seen that. And they use the can. Uh-huh. The fingerprints or the, like, the DNA on the can. Yeah.

But, yeah, it's the same thing with garbage. That's how they caught buying Culberger as well. Yeah. I forgot about that. Mm-hmm. I'm not a police man, woman. I am an armed chair detective. at heart. You are. Oh, yes. I am. Oh my gosh. We were watching. So, sorry, go ahead. No, go ahead. We were watching something. I can't remember which show it was because we watched a lot of shows. But there was this, uh, coroner who was like really into the case and like kind of having fun about it. And Tyler was like, I think Gary would be really good at that. And he was like, he would just be so interested in all of it. He's like, he's just like reminding me of him. And I was like, oh, that's so cute.

Right. He thought of you. I can't be a coroner. Like, if I had to like cut into somebody, no, no, no, no. Yeah. But if you like, we're like, go through all the evidence we have and see where you can find, like, I would be like, Emily is at the bakery at 2 o'clock. Like that's us. You know, like I would 100% do that. Like my friend Tyler, when it has like, when there's like, like the Idaho case, for example, he's like, tell me about what's going on with that.

tell me about how they found Brian Koeberger. Tell me like, because he's like, you know, I don't want to do all of this investigating stuff myself. I just want it told to me. And like, I will start going and going and going and going. And he's like, I cannot believe how much information you can retain. Yeah. When it comes to, like, crime things like that and how much you know about like,

Like I'm like, oh, there's like Codis, which is like the database of all these like DNAs. And they use like genealogy and they trace it. And he's like, I can't believe like all of this stuff, you know. And like he can't get me to shut up once I start. Oh, yeah. You're like, do you, are you ready for this answer? Yeah. I'm like, this is a one man podcast with no microphone, me by myself.

I'm going to tell you everything about this case and a half hour. And I'm going to speak exactly this quickly and you are going to have to listen to every single word that I say. Yep. Yep. Yeah. You need to be like a research something. I think that if you get into true crime, we could be like true crime podcasters and go on journeys across the United States. You're right.

Except we talked about how we're not journeying people. But we could do it to solve crime. We could do it to solve crime. Mm-hmm. And at the end of the day, as long as we have. comfortable hotel rooms, preferably right next to each other and like good food to eat. We'd be fine. We could buy t-shirts in every like area that we go to, like every like, oh, that would be cool.

T-Ivo started buying hats everywhere he goes for work. So he's- I'm a T-shirt guy. Yeah, me too. I have no business wearing a hat. When I wear a baseball hat, I look like a little boy. I just do. All the cool girls in college, all the sorority girls look so freaking cute and oversized teas and a baseball hat. If I put it on, it was not my vibe.

And I'm okay with that. I'm not a hat person either. Yeah, I also don't like the feeling of like something squishing my hair. And I sweat too much. I think when people first meet me, nothing looks abnormal. but if I had a hat on and I slowly pulled it back, they would be like, when is his forehead going to end? Oh my God.

I have a large forehead, but like when you first meet me, you're not like, that's an abnormally large forehead. But if I started to peel back a hat... I'd never thought about it. Rihanna has a large forehead as well, and she's a superstar. So that's my, like, I don't care. I mean, when I had my bangs cut, I was feeling like I had a pretty large one. So...

This just goes. and goes and goes. That's how I felt. And goes. It's literally been three months since I even got my hair cut. That was how too short they got. It took a little while for them to come back. The bang gate of 2020.

Yeah, I will not be getting them cut forever. And your Marco Polos were like eyebrows to like chin. Like you were just like trying to push your bangs down. I was constantly doing this. You were like, oh my God. But like you didn't want to show me anything above an eyebrow. I know. Tyler would have to tell me he was like, stop touching your bangs.

You can't pull them out of your head. And it's like so weird too because I feel like if you would have got them cut not as short as they were, you would have been like annoyed because you would have had to get them. them cut like two or three weeks later. Possibly, yeah. You're like, I just got these fucking bangs cut and like now they're like down to my like nostrils. I know.

I do have to go in like every three weeks once they're long. We'll see. We'll see how it goes. I'm happy with them now. I want to see. Have you seen the TikTok videos where the women grow out their bangs and they curl like or roll them back and then they're like. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Like that's very Daisy Jones, I feel like. It is. I'm going to have to send you this Instagram account that I follow because she kind of teaches how to do that and how to grow them out a little bit. And she's able to wear them. Yeah. See, even that.

Like, that's awesome. She's able to wear them like that and straight. So I've been like watching and learning. Because I agree. And the other nice things. I think you would look fucking awesome with curtain bang. Yeah, I think so. I don't think I ever need much shorter.

But yeah, I'm going to send you because I've been saving her videos and learning how to style them when they're like even longer like that. I might just move towards that more than anything. Yeah, I would love to see that. Yeah, I will send you her. When you're ready. I'll be ready when you're ready, but take your time. I know. Soonish.

Yeah. It'll happen. But yeah. Well, do you hear my second book that describes me? My reading. Did I say this question or did I not? No, I said, do you want to hear my second book? Oh, yeah.

I was like, oh my God. Did I black out? Yes, I do want to hear your second book. No. And then I was like, did I say it as a statement and not a question? We were just both. I think I may have like missed a word because I was picturing you with her inbanks and like trying to envision our future.

I know. I was like, you were like my second book and I was like, you're like, wait a second. Oh, fuck. No. Yeah, I'm ready for your second book. There is a styler's main character in this one named January Cole in The Paradox Hotel, which is my sci-fi corner with Rob Hart,

who is so cool. He's one of the coolest. But this one is a lot of things. there's time travel there's a murder mystery and I think those are maybe those are the two main things but the main character

is an agent for think the FBI for time travel regulation so she's a time agent to make sure that people aren't using it illegally and man my throat is really gurgly tonight

I apologize it's doing it again So she I don't hear that. Okay, that's good because when I edit it, I've been hearing it lately. And I just like my throat gurgles. And like even when I was a kid, my mom was like, asked the doctor about it.

She's like, what, like, what is this? And he was like some people that just like happens. And I was just like, okay. So my throat, it's hard to even describe. It's kind of like your stomach ralding, but it happens in my throat. And it used to happen all the time when like, we were like praying.

And it just sounded like a dinosaur was at the dinner table. And I've heard it a couple of times when I've been editing. So I was like, oh my God. So Gary just like has my throat gurgles in his ears all night long. But I'm glad you can't hear it at least. I'm also like kind of hard of hearing. So I guess this relationship really works out. I know you've never noticed my throat gurgles.

Like sometimes just so loud at night when we're trying to fall asleep, the Tyler's like, can you be quiet? Like when I put my AirPods in, I have them at full volume. Oh, okay. And I'm like, this is a comfortable. This is comfortable. That's okay. Just let me bustling your own Sicalia Uchis.

Mm-hmm. I would love that. I would just name your little dinosaur. That's true. Maybe I should just do that and then think about it as a cute thing. There are dinosaurs in this book, too, at one point. Because of the time travel. Oh my God.

So this actually fits and really isn't a spoiler. But so January, basically on one of her first nights at the job, at the job at this hotel, the hotel is next to basically the airport where you time travel. So it's just like connected to being able to time travel. When she gets there, there's a dead man in a room that only she can see. because he actually dies in the future. And so she's trying to figure out before he's murdered, how he's murdered. And there are a bunch of LGBTQ relationships in it. There's that, which is pretty cool.

Lots of representation. Why am I saying it? Like, I don't know words. And what is the other thing I was going to say? Oh, it also deals with grief really interestingly. So it just has everything in a... book. It honestly sounds like it.

It has a lot. I would have never thought that we would have a time traveling thriller about murder that involves dinosaurs and a bunch of LGBTQ relationships. Yeah. That could have been all five of your books. That's a good point. It's probably why I love it so much. Yeah.

That could have been all five. Oh, it was so good. I wish I could read it again like I'd never read it before. I need to look up the cover. The cover is very cool. I feel like I've heard of it, but I don't know if I've heard of it because... Probably me. I'm assuming you, but I'm like, maybe it was popular.

No, I think it would have been you. That is a really cool cover, but I don't like to make you. I interviewed him before we had our podcast, too. So I posted about this one quite a bit. Okay. That means. It was probably me. This one and Kiznare are the two that I probably talk the most nonstop about.

Oh my God. Don't remind me of, don't remind me of the most traumatic breakup of my life. It is not the most traumatic breakup. Fuck off. It is for me. Why? He is so vanilla.

Okay. You don't know. And maybe he is. I think he is hot as fuck. He is hot, but I mean, Taylor Swift, like, I want to see her with, like, Michael Fastbender. I want to see her with, like, Michael B. Jordan. I want to see her with, like, just this, like, you know, the guy on TikTok that takes the axe and, like, hits the tree trunks with them and, like, splits him in his suspenders? I want to see her with, like, a guy like that.

Like, I want to see her with, like, the sexiest man alive that. just like doesn't let her break up with him. Yeah. Well, apparently that happened once before. Joe, she tried to break up with him and he was like, no. And she was like, you're right. What was I thinking? And then they've been together for more years since.

But this time, she was like, yes. This time she's like, I'm going on tour until August. This time she was like, we are never, ever, ever getting back together. It's you. Yes, you're the problem. It's you. It's you. Yeah.

Don't meet me at midnight. Nobody gets to meet me at midnight right now. Except people who are paying to be in a huge stadium. But Harry, I saw a TikTok today. Harry and Taylor, Taylor, Harry and Taylor are both single again. And so that stuff is all coming back up again.

I figured you would not. I just don't want it. I know. You don't want her with Harry. That's okay. I don't know who I want to with other than Joe, so. I just don't want her with Joe at all, but I want her. I don't know. Maybe I just want her to not be with a celebrity.

Well, he was hardly one, but yeah. Well, yeah, but he was still in like that Sally Rooney adaptation, which is probably popular. And he's familiar with the business. Right. Right. Okay. So here's my thing. Do you know how we've talked about how if you have sex with somebody who's not as

attractive of you as you, the sex is better because they're like, oh, my God, I'm sleeping with somebody who's like hotter than me. So like I'm going to put more energy in it. Yes. I feel like if you are a non-celebrity and you date a celebrity, you are more. patient because you are like, I'm dating somebody who's famous and they want to be with me. So I'm going to be on my best behavior. Do you think he wasn't on his best behavior?

No, because he was a celebrity too. She needs to be with a normal, regular, schmegular guy. Yeah. Who is like, Taylor Swift wants to be with me. I'm going to treat her so well that she'll never want to break up with me, ever. Yeah. I have no clue who or how she'll meet him. She needs to have sex with an ugly guy.

before she does it, before she finds him. So she, like, knows what's going on. Yeah. That's your sex and love advice from Gare. Yeah, I don't disagree with, I don't disagree with you. But I wanted them to be in game. I was never rooting for them. I, and I'm, to be fair, I'm shocked by my reaction.

Like, shocked. I have never felt like, well, now I can't listen to that song. It'll make me sad. This is the first time I've ever thought that. I have refused this entire time to believe that any of her songs were about him. And do you believe they're about a her? Or do you just not believe there about him? I just don't believe there about him.

I do have a, I do believe in one theory that there was something. I think there is something. With her and Carly Cross. Yep. And it's her business. And she doesn't have to tell us. I'm not going to pry. I'm not going to cry.

I'm not in her DMs, but if she did have It seems likely. A torrid lesbian love affair with Carly. Listen, sometimes the whirlwind heartbreaks just mean more than Joe Allwin. We have found the one severe disagreement. Yeah, I know.

It's so really. I know. I'm just like, ever since she started dating him, I'm like, this is not going to work. And maybe that's why I'm not taking it to heart. Because I'm just like, my psychic capabilities flew out of my butt and were like, mm, not happening.

Oh my gosh, you don't know something that's going to make you laugh, actually is. So I didn't really, I listened to debut and fearless a lot when I was in high school-ish age. And then those reminded me of not great times.

So I kind of fell off the bandwagon. And I got introduced to rap, which you guys all heard when Midnights came out. So I've said this. But then when Midnights came out, I all of a sudden, like, I had never listened to reputation lover, all of those. And so I became a reborn Taylor Swift fan. What's funny, though, I'm trying to figure out how to say this. what's funny is my feminine side isn't my most developed as much as I wear bright pink it's not the largest part of my personality and so I ended up like loving lover but I was like it's so sweet and so I was getting to a point where I was telling Tyler I was like I keep hearing these songs that are so sweet and I'm just like am I not sweet enough not entirely like not like having a paranoid like breakdown about it but then when they broke up, there was a small part of me that was like, yes.

See, I don't have to be that sweet. I was like, sweet doesn't work anyway. That's very interesting. Do you think, though, do you think because you and Tyler aren't like lovey-dovey, handhold in public, all of these things that like when you hear those songs, you're like, these are really sweet, but I really like them. It's just that, like, you're like, oh, these remind me of my husband without me having to like be super mushy because neither one of you are really like that approach yeah it is it is like that

neither of us are especially performative displays of like yes posting about each other or whatever like it's just not our vibe yeah yes i i do agree with you on that that it's like oh yeah i do i i have felt this way about him before but we aren't we're not closed off completely from our feelings but also at the same time when we both started therapy, we were. So I think you guys have a very healthy relationship. I just think that you're both compatible in the sense that you don't need to be like, like when you talk about Tyler, you talk about the things about him you enjoy. Yeah.

And you're like, Tyler, because Tyler is a person. And you're not one of those women who's like, my husband. My husband. Like it feels so weird. He and I both feel your husband. other my husband and my wife. We're both just like it just feels weird. Yeah. Like I would be like, like if I were talking to somebody, I would be like, oh,

my husband, Jacob, Lordy. But like, I would just be telling them like, I have a husband. His name is Jacob. So like, I will be referring to him as Jacob from now on. But there are just some people that are like, oh my God, my husband's driving me nuts. And I'm like, this man was not born to be your fucking husband. Like he has like a personality that he developed before you came along and after you are out of the picture because it's annoying. I know. I'm also not. I'm not like my

friend Tyler is like oh I think that you would probably be like really like needy and like mushy in a relationship and I'm like I am not. I don't I can't imagine that. I am not I don't like like I would not be

I don't want to hold hands in public I don't like to be touched very much like if we're just like sitting there like don't you don't need to put your hand on my shoulder or on my leg or be like super like hold my hand like I'm not going anywhere if you just behave you know what I mean like don't fucking touch me until yep like it's very purposeful until it's very like until it's going to lead to something like just don't like I don't need to hold my hand my palms get sweaty I feel like I feel um trapped same and I'm not like a super like a super

like I will, if I fall for somebody and I'm in a relationship with them, like I will, to the end of time, show that person that I love and appreciate them. And I might like at the end of the day, be like, good night. I love you. Yep. Good morning. Have a good day. You're blessed that I'm in your life. And enjoy. You're welcome. There was one guy that I dated. And we were like, it was like I was trying to feel my best behavior because we were like fairly new into like just just beyond the part of like being like this isn't just physical attraction like we enjoy each other's company and kind of just right around the point where we decided we weren't going to see other people oh yeah and he wanted to watch TV and he wanted to like lie on our sides with him behind me.

Spooning. Spooning? Okay. While watching TV and like I think I lasted like 10 minutes. I was like I don't like this. And then he just eventually sat up like sitting like you normally do and I was lying on my back with like legs over his lap and I was like this is this. I enjoy.

Yes. Yeah. I get that. So. You're so the same. I know. And the same way. I just don't.

I will be sometimes overly mushy with my friends. Yeah. But I cannot do it with a love interest. I know. Or like my soul. You also like books sometimes that have a little bit of that. And so do I? I like the romance when there's like,

angst and buildup and flirtation and steam and smut and all of that when they start to get comfortable in their relationship and I realize that like they're going to be end game I lose interest. Oh well. I'm just like, okay, good for you guys for being happily ever after. I just want to get to the point where I'm either solving a crime

or you guys are meant you guys are showing me that you're going to be together for the rest of your lives. Yeah, yeah. I agree. Call me by your name. Uh-huh. The movie, I hysterically cry every single time. Oh, I bet. Because nothing is worse than finding somebody and having a love that intense.

Yeah, yeah. Having a love that intense and then just being like, this doesn't work. Yeah, my God. It's terrible. Mm-hmm. So, speaking of fucked up love stories, do you want to hear my third one? Yes, I do. Love and Taylor.

My fucked up love story. Do you want to know? Do you guess? Can you guess what it is? I'm going to guess it's the woman inside. It is the woman inside. I am obsessed. Of course.

I love one of my favorite movies in the entire world is the War of the Roses. A couple meets perfectly. Their relationship starts to kind of crumble. She wants a divorce. He does not. And they are just, it's war. With this, this is labeled a domestic. thriller instead of domestic suspense, and I'm realizing that's why I love it so much.

This is the book that made me really pay attention to dual perspective. Yeah. I love how a simple or a big miscommunication can affect people differently and how they view it. And it's like a thriller and there's a lot going on. there's like affairs and opioid addiction and miscommunication and hate and love and so much that it just, I was like, this is the kind of domestic. I haven't felt this way about a book since Gone Girl. And I know that this is going to be very controversial, but I actually love this more than God Girl.

I believe it. There's even more going on. I'm going to get a woman inside. tattoo right here. Like the title or would you get something that like reminds you of it? I'd probably get a picture of Sheila on my arm. That would be good. Because I love her.

That would be fitting. Mm-hmm. I love that book. I want book tattoos too. I just want more tattoos. I know. I will never do it though. I remember like one time I saw somebody had their.

zodiac symbol on the back of their neck. And I really, really wanted to do that. And now I'm just glad that I didn't. So I just feel like I would be nervous that I would get a book tattoo somewhere. And then I'd be like, I don't think I'm going to read as much as I used to. Oh my gosh. A book a month or something. The main reason I feel okay with a book tattoo is it's the one thing I'm like 99% sure I will never stop doing. Same. Same. I don't think that I'll ever not be an avid reader, I just feel like I would jinx myself. That's a good point. Because I know me. It's me. Hi, I'm the problem. It's me.

We just can't stop talking about her. We're obsessed. I love her. Well. So what's your next buck? What is my next one? Well, my next one is one that I pretty much changed my whole personality around a couple of months ago. So ninth house Oh my god I was going to say Evelyn Hugo Well I have two more

So So shut the fuck up So just keep waiting But But this one is It is a fantasy thriller Which I had never read before Also

And then I read read it and was like, wow, I loved everything about that. But generally, the main character, her name's cool. Her name's Galaxy, but she goes by Alex. And in, I know, like, I want to think of a name that cool one day. But she, basically the gist of it is at Yale. There are these houses that, have ties to like

magic, different kinds of magic. And then Harley just ran in here and grabbed a bone and ran right back out. She's like, I'm not going to be having nightmares over magic mom. Like, I'm not listening to Nighthouse again, Mom. I'm sick of it. Fuck at a nighthouse. Yeah.

But the Nighthouse is a group of people that basically the kind of polices the other houses to make sure that they don't use magic for bad reasons. And she gets basically recruited to be a part of ninth house.

And what, how would I technically then, I mean, without spoilers, basically... She investigates a murder. Yeah, that's what that was like, oh yeah, the murders. There's a murder on campus. on campus why can't I think of certain words tonight uh and so she's trying to figure out if that

had anything to do with the houses and she's meeting a whole bunch of new people and in your typical fantasy fashion it is it just becomes like a sprawling huge world of amazingness I couldn't agree more I loved it I was so happy you read it because I don't know if I would have pulled the trigger. Took me three tries. Yeah, it's good. Took me three tries. Mm-hmm.

Sometimes I'm a brat. If I'm not into something in like the first like two chapters, I'll put it aside. I know. There was, I wish I could call out this Instagram account and I'm so sorry that I don't know who it is. Mm-hmm. But I think on my Discover,

Discover page, is that what it's called? Yeah, on Instagram. Yes, okay. So the little magnifying glass page. Yes. Somebody posted a very, like, moody picture of it and was like, this is the one book that my life would not be the same if I hadn't read it. I agree. And in her review, she was like, I read the synopsis. I didn't think this was something I'd be interested in.

I gave it a chance and I loved it. And like, this is like, this is something that I will, you know, kind of beat myself up for not reading sooner or, you know, get anxious over the fact that, like, there was a possibility I wouldn't have read it. And so when I saw that review, I was like, fuck, now I'm game. And then flat iron. Flat iron books, like, they were like, do you want an arc of the new book? And I was like, if you're going to send me the second book, I'm going to, I'm going to commit to the first one. Yeah. Yeah.

And then it was just back to back. The rest is history. The rest is history. Such a good story. Both of them. I've debated reading. She has the shadow and bone. She has a lot.

Lee Bardugo has multiple series. She's the Shadow and Bone series that got picked up on Netflix. I've debated reading that one, but I haven't been in the mood for a series. I took the plunge and got the A Court of Thorns and Roses series and that's going to be You got all of them?

Yep. I got the box set. Nice. I have the first one. So tell me when you start it. I was going to say let's do it together. Yeah. There's a girl. I'm going to have to send you her TikTok. I think it's called the one woman book club. Okay. Have you seen her?

I don't think so. She's the cutest little button. And she's so fucking funny. But she like has been posting. Don't watch her videos on a court of thorns and roses because some of them have. Spoilers. Spoilers. Yeah.

But I was following her. She's fucking adorable. I love her so much. Like she's like my favorite book talker in the entire world. I love it. I love her. I love them of her. She's perfect.

And she's so funny. She's so funny. if we had a third host of the podcast it would be like you'll love her personality but yeah I want to dive into those I'm going to send you a TikTok that I saw of part of one of the books that I almost sent to you this weekend and was like well this will convince you to want to read it So I will send you that TikTok too. Is it Jacob Allorty? No.

It's literally just a screenshot of a quote. Or like a section. There's a rumor that Jacob Allorty is going to be in the adaptation of a court of Thornton Roses. Somebody sent it to me and they were like, if this doesn't get you to read it, I don't know. I believe. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

So that would a thousand percent get you to read it. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so my next one, I'm trying to think on how to not spoil this book. Okay. That's always difficult with some of them. There's a movie. Mm-hmm. There's a movie that when I'm in a certain mood, I can handle it, but in my everyday life, I can't. So I'm not going to tell you the name of the movie.

but it deals with a missing girl and the investigation into her disappearance. And it's like a full odyssey. It's very disturbing. And it's the kind of dark story that's always like stuck with me because kind of like what I said before, like when somebody goes missing or something like this happens, especially to a woman, it's usually not good. So Pretty Girls is the book that got me into Karen Slaughter and how. she is the woman who does not hold back when it comes to plot and the messed up things that people do and the ugliness of the world and everything. But the thing that I like about pretty girls is that it features something kind of prominent in a lot of her books I'm finding, which is like a relationship between two sisters. Yeah, you're right.

Yeah. Sarah has a sister in the Will Trent series. Yeah. The good daughter is two sisters. Yep. False witness is two sisters. Yep. Wow. But Pretty Girls is about two sisters whose lives both went on completely different paths.

Their older sister had went to college and went missing, and they never really found out what happened to her. and then 20 years later, the one who has the wealthy husband and the perfect life and, you know, like beautiful everything, her husband, something happens to him. So crime is committed against him and another girl has gone missing. and this woman is convinced that whatever's happened to her husband, whatever's happened to this girl that's gone missing, could be related to what happened to her sister 20 years ago. So she is like vigilante to a T, but also like a realistic vigilante because she's like this rich board housewife.

And she's like, I'm not going to let anybody dick me around. Yep. and it is so gritty. It is so disturbing. It is very emotional. And it also is the book that got me really into books that feature missing persons. Oh, really? Nice.

Yeah. I mean, Gone Girl obviously was a wild ride. And I love missing person stories. But this is the one that I was like, wow. there, when you think about books that involve missing persons, there are literally so many ways, like, so many different directions you can go with that story. And I think with this one, it's one of like my favorite missing person story. And I just, after that, I was like, that's what I'm like, that's what I really want. Yeah. It's like missing person stories. Because I love, it's, I almost like look at the book as like a spider web. and there's so many different directions it can go in. And sometimes, you know, there's red herrings and there's different suspects and there's different things that take you in all these different directions. And I just.

Yeah. Yeah. And also, I don't mind if a story is disturbing as long as it sticks with me for a long time. And this one hit all of the right buttons for me. The good daughter was like that for me too. Like very disturbing, but I still think about it. I need to reread the good daughter. All I can think of is.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Gardening. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yep. That was my first Karen Slaughterbuck. I think I read Pretty Girls before The Good Daughter.

I think it was my second. But I remember that Tyler, because I read it a while years ago, and he hadn't been traveling much yet, and he was actually traveling. And when I got to the scene that we're both talking about, I was just like, I need to breathe for a second. Yeah, I know. I was like, holy shit.

You know, the reason is is because when I first started my bookstagram account was when it was like a few months before the good daughter came out. And so her publisher was like, hey, would you like a copy of this? You know, it's like a thriller and da-da-da-da-da-da. And it was a standalone. And then I read that. And I was like, this is one of the best books I've ever read and I loved it. And then, um,

And then I read pieces of her. And I was like, that's more of a Kate book compared to a gear book. Yeah. So I was like, you know, whatever. And eventually I picked up pretty girls. And then I read Olive Grant County and Olive Will Trent. Yes. Oh.

It's the best year of my life. So many good ones. There's a novella. Oh, my God. If I get a book tattoo, it's going to be Karen Slaughter. I think that would be the most fitting first one for you. Or my next, my last pick. Well, my other one is also with an author that I read and got really obsessed with.

As you mentioned. Yeah. I would have been broken heart at if you didn't. I know. That one definitely became another huge part of my personality. if there are people who don't know what the plot is basically a writer reporter yeah a reporter

Evelyn Hugo who is in her 70s or 80s at the time requests this reporter from a magazine and she's not a super popular reporter necessarily but Evelyn requests that she come interview her for some kind of like anniversary type thing that they want to do like a piece on and so she basically goes over there

and then the meat of the story is actually Evelyn talking about the seven men she married starting in the 50s, yep starting in the 50s as her fame grew bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And she is just one of the most badass females in a not thriller that I've read. So it ends up being a lot. It really, really is a lot about relationships and how differently complex they can all be. And also just like what it's like

being a woman navigating massive fame. Yeah. Especially when Hollywood was kind of a new concept. So it's fantastic. And I cried like a baby at the end. So good. I devoured that book. Oh,

it was so amazing. And then Daisy Jones did the same thing to me. This is a good... This is a good example for what we should do next week, which is what you thought I wanted to do. going to be in my, I had to, like this. You can do it twice. I know. We're not doing this. We're not doing this whole thing where you're going to beat yourself up if you talk about the same book. Yeah,

I won't. I cannot have an episode of a podcast without you mentioning Taylor Jenkins read. I know. So, like, that's your girl. You know what I mean? Like, that's your, that's your shit. She is my girl. I would love to talk to her. her about writing and at adapting for TV, I would die. Reach out to her publicist. Maybe I will. Email them. Yeah.

I should. I will. I'm like always down to send it because if they ignore me, they ignore me. If not, I get to talk to Taylor Jenkins read. Yeah. Yeah. Because that book's fantastic and I mean so much to you. It does.

and Daisy Jones. And the adaptation was just amazing. I really want to talk about, talk to someone about adapting their book for TV. Mm-hmm. I will. I'm going to make it happen. You know, one time I took a chance.

Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And it worked out beautifully for me. Mm-hmm. It's worth it. I had a 45-minute conversation with my, favorite author in the entire world.

That's why you have to try. Descanol. I did the whole, this is probably a long shot. Oh, yeah. But I want to let you know that I've been interviewing authors on Instagram live. And I'd love to talk to you about, you know, luckiest girl alive, the perfect sister, and whatever you have upcoming. Yes. And I thought I would never get a response.

And she responded was like, I've never done an Instagram live before. I have no idea what I'm doing. But like, sure. So cool. Mm-hmm. So. I will email her. Oh, my God.

Did you hear it? Did I hear it? He went by. No, I didn't. But my throat gurgled. I thought you heard. Rumble, rumble, rumble. Oh, I named your dinosaur.

You named it? Mm-hmm. What'd you name it? Donya. Oh, I like that. Because of our love for notes on an execution. Yes. Donia, the dinosaur.

I didn't even think of that. That's perfect. Yeah. Love her. Now I need to make a mascot dinosaur. Yeah. That would be cute. Oh, my God.

Killing the T, the mascot could be the dinosaur. Yeah. I know. So cute. I know. I wanted to have a little bow. Okay. A little pink bow.

Okay. Okay. I'm down. So, yeah, that's my last pick is Luckyest Girl Alive. Yeah, of course. I it was the first book I ever pre-ordered.

And when I read it, because everyone was talking about, like, this is the next big thriller. This is the next big gone girl. And you know what I mean? Yeah. People don't say that as much now, but there was a span of like five years where everything was being

compared to Gone Girl if it was a thriller written by a woman. Yes. So they were like, oh, this is the next Gone Girl. And I loved the cover. I'll never forget that black and yellow cover. Just beautiful. And I preordered it. And I was like, I'm going to read this and I'm going to devoured it.

And I read it. And I was like, what the fuck? Like, this is a thriller that doesn't have murder. It's not a murder mystery. That you're used to. That you're used to. Yeah. It's not solving a case.

It's not like serial killer. It is so character driven. Yeah. And a little bit of an unreliable narrator. Yeah. And a snarky one. Yes. What most people would peg as an unlikable narrator, but I don't like saying that.

I don't like saying that. Because nobody's perfect. So everybody that's reading a book saying that, this is an unlikable narrator. You're probably unlikable in your life. Yeah. So I don't like saying like unlikable narrator because everybody's different and they all have their reasons for why you might consider them to be unlikable. But this is such a, this is the book that I was like, I really think that character-driven stories are ones that I will always love, whether it's a thriller or not. Yep.

And I just felt for this character. and I uprooted my life with six days notice to travel nine hours to New York City when I was invited to the premiere of the movie. I was the coolest thing. I have gotten invites to other things before. Yeah, I bet. And I was like, you know, I'm not in New York City. I really appreciate the invite, but I just, I don't live in New York City. and, you know, I really appreciate it. It's so cool. Like, if I had, you know, if I lived in New York City, I'd be there.

But yeah, they were like, hey, you know, luckiest girl live. I was like, this is my favorite book by my favorite author. This is an adaptation that I am going to lose my mind over. I am driving. I'm taking a train. I am here. I was, it was a whirlwind experience that I will like never forget. And it was just so exciting and so cool. I know. And I was in the same room as Milakounis and Jessica Knoll. Not many people can say that. Like when they walked out on stage, I was like... I would have died.

I just would have died right there. I wanted to. I wanted to. And you know what the thing is is that like I... So my mom was like, oh, my God. You know, because they walk out and they talk about the movie before. And I just cannot even begin to tell you. I love Mila Kuh.

Kuhus. I think she's one of the coolest celebrities in the entire world. She seemed so sweet and down to earth. She's fucking gorgeous. I didn't know that Milakunas was on stage at first because I was so starstruck by Jessica Knoll. Oh, I love that. Like she came out and like her chic fucking super cool girl, blonde bob with this beautiful green sequin dress. And I was like, this is what people felt like when they like met Marilyn Monroe. Yeah. Like this was just I was starstruck.

Mm-hmm. I would be. I almost, I just almost passed out, like, thinking about it. It was just such a surreal moment. And I think that was like my like, like, you know, and they're like, oh, like, what was it like the first time you met

like the famous person? Like, I didn't even say hi to her at the theater. Like, I told her in advance I was going. And I was excited. And I was. like happy for her and she should be proud of herself and blah blah but like I didn't see her there you know like I didn't like whatever but I was just like oh my god yeah Jessica fucking Noel is like standing 20 feet away from me right now yeah I don't know what I would do I just staring I was just literally standing there with like my jaw resting on my stomach right

I was like oh my god And then my mom was like Oh my god Milakounas And I was like really And I just like she's here Because there were you know the producers and the actors And there were a group of people But I just saw like

The spotlight directly on Yes She's amazing I would be like that about Other than Taylor Jenkins read Other than Taylor Jenkins read who is left that I would be like that about. And you would be like that about.

Both of us? Yeah. Ashley Winstead. Yeah. That's my last one. So my last one was the last housewife because I, because we can only go like every other episode without talking about it. Yeah.

Yeah. It is for those of you who haven't heard. basically a woman, I can't remember how far out from college, eight years after she graduates college. There are, oh my gosh, I'm gurgly. She finds out that a girl she went to college with was murdered. And one of her favorite true crime podcaster. kind of like asked if she wants to be interviewed

and it turns into then her actually kind of wanting to solve what really is happening back at the school. I can't think of the school's name right now. But basically when she gets there and starts investigating, you start to learn more and more about what happened when she was in college and some weird stuff that started happening with one of her roommates it's dad, roommate's dad.

And then I don't even know how to describe everything that happens in this book. There's so much that happens in the book. But basically she's unraveling all of that. And the reason, if it's my reading personality, is the thriller part in the podcast part, but also the huge amount of female rage. and it's raging against both the patriarchy and religious systems.

And the ending is one of the most gratifying endings I've ever read. I love it. Do you know what I was thinking? What? I think it would have been really cool if it was the same university as in my dreams I hold a knife. That would have been really cool. I would just like to have like all of these little Easter egg connections to Duquette University. Yeah.

But you know what the thing is though? Is that like we say that because we love Easter eggs? Mm-hmm. But her mind, man. I know. There's got to be like a map in like Ashley Winsed's mind where she knows that like one character's in Texas and she knows this one's in New York and this one's in California. Right. She just, like, the thing I love about her, I almost, if we would have done six, would have been, but I'm saving in my dreams I hold a knife for an upcoming episode.

But the thing that I love about her is that even if it's not mentioned in the book, you can tell that she just really knows her character so well that, like, if you're like, what's this character's favorite TV show? She would know it. I agree. Even if it's not mentioned, even if it's not anything she has to think about, you know, like, her first. favorite color, her favorite meal. She just knows so much. I just, I don't know. Yeah, they feel so real. I just want to spend a week shadowing her. Me too. With her writing and planning process and her ideas and like when they come to her and I know. My ideas come to me when I'm trying to fall asleep at night. Like I'm in bed. Yeah. I have a lot in the shower or when I'm walking the dogs or when I'm doing dishes.

I was like, yeah. Mine come to me when I'm trying to fall asleep at night. Yeah. Do you have to like, do you like wake up and scribble them or do you remember them? I remember them because I just will like, it's like, you know, like I don't know. It's like almost like a fantasy like when I'm trying to fall asleep at night. I like think of like things that I like situations and stuff that I would put my characters in or that I would like to write a book. about someday and then I just kind of go from there and think about how I can make it the most

like psychologically disturbing thing. Exactly. And bleak. I'm going to get you a shirt someday. It just says like bleak on it. Probably what my first book will be named. Ooh, it should be. Leak. Leak by Gearbell. People would know. They would know immediately what they were in for. I also want to shout out that October 3rd is when the new Jessica Null book comes out and also Ashley Winstead. So now is a good time to pre-order them and tell us and show us how much that you love the blonde duo. Mm-hmm. They're the best.

I want to see them go on a tour together. That would be so cool. Jessica Nol and Ashley Winstead. Oh my God. Yes. I could just see you like pushing me in a wheelchair through because you're like, your vertigo is going to come back. Like you were way too excited.

You're not going to be able to handle this. I was like, dripping sweat. Like onto your head as I'm pushing you. Sobing. I'm like, we're getting to the front. Oh my God. Yeah. That would be sick. That's definitely something we would leave the house for.