Bookwild - Books that Need to Be Adapted

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

We are back this week to talk about books that need to be adapted to movies or tv shows.Follow us on Instagram:Garehttps://www.instagram.com/gareindeedreads/Katehttps://www.instagram.com/thegirlwiththebookonthecouch/ Get Bookwild MerchCheck Out My Stories Are My Religion SubstackCheck Out Author Social Media PackagesCheck out the Bookwild Community on PatreonCheck out the Imposter Hour Podcast with Liz and GregFollow @imbookwild on InstagramOther Co-hosts On Instagram:Gare Billings @gareindeedreadsSteph Lauer @books.in.badgerlandHalley Sutton @halleysutton25Brian Watson @readingwithbrian 

Hey guys, welcome to the Killing the Tea podcast. This is Gare and Kate. And we are going to be discussing all things, chills, thrills, and kills. Kate and I are going to be talking about our favorite books, TV shows and movies that are in the thriller or crime fiction genre, as well as some reading habits and other items related to how we met on Bookstagram that will fit in with this podcast. So, Thank you so much for joining us, and we hope that you have fun and get totally terrified. Props to me for the idea. Props to your memory for remembering, because like today I was like, wait, what are we talking about? I don't know. You would have had this idea, I feel like. Oh, yeah. We have similar ideas.

As well. Yeah. So, but props to you for remembering, I guess. So our topic tonight is books that we want to see as either a. movie or a miniseries and we're going to specify like here's the book this is why i think it would work as a movie or a miniseries and yeah let's hit it yeah you want to go first you want me to go first um all of mine i want taylor swift to play the protagonist i'm just kidding seriously though i would like to see her wasn't that amsterdam movie it just came out great

Yeah, I know it didn't get great reviews. It did not get great reviews. I also like nothing against Taylor Swift at all. But I kind of feel like they used Taylor Swift to market that movie the same way the people that made Scream used Drew Barrymore to market Scream. That's funny. Because the only trailers I ever saw was when we were in the theater and she was like a three second blip in those near the end. So, like, we didn't even notice the first time, but I didn't see any trailers elsewhere. So that's fascinating.

Yeah. It was like, because I, from what I've heard, it's like a small role. Yeah. Probably could have been anybody. But, like, I feel like they, like, had Taylor Swift do it so that they could, like, mark it, like, a Taylor Swift. Probably. You know what I mean?

Yep. So. I do. But, yeah. So they cues this. Don't worry, darling of with Harry Styles. I need to watch. Don't worry, darling.

It's officially out on streaming. It is. I think I'm going to have a Harry Styles movie weekend because I also want to watch my policeman on Amazon. Yeah. That would be a fun weekend. I am obsessed with him. Take out pizza.

Just phone on. Do not disturb and me and Harry. Yeah. I also get a lot of like Harry styles on my TikTok, and it's always like funny or sexy moments from his tour. And I'm just like, oh, God, what a little dream boat. Just like every moment. I know he's so perfect.

I do love him. He's amazing. He's probably my biggest. He would be my hall pass right now. Really? Probably. Who would my hall pass be, but I'm single? And you're like, wait, who would buy me?

Who would my hall pass be? Oh, yeah. everybody. Everybody's your hall pass because you can do whatever you want, Gara. That's true. It's true. Oh my God. That's funny. Not that you even have to ask, I feel like my three like hall passes would be next weekend or next week. I mean, next week, that's going to be our icebreaker, our top three hall passes. Oh my gosh. That's going to be fun. Yeah. So, okay. So first thing that came to. to mind with this topic is I'm like so curious if any of ours overlap because I literally have eight now because I'm like, oh, yeah, probably going to. So my first pick is a mini-series. I want it HBO style. Yes. Sam Levison, creator of euphoria. Yes.

notes on an execution Yes that would be so good I didn't think of that one So so good Brief synopsis Notes on an execution is a Very emotional poignant Serial killer

Drama emotional thriller I guess you would say It's like multi-genre But like sets itself apart Because your serial killer has already been caught, went through trial, found guilty, and is on his way to be executed. Ansel Packer is a serial killer who killed, I believe, three women. And the story is told through the eyes of women whose lives he has affected.

His mother, his wife's twin sister, the detective that's been hunting him down. But I feel like almost kind of like what they do with Euphoria, where they have that introduction piece to each episode where you get like the backstory of each character. I feel like that would be a really good way to tell this story based on how it's written with all of the different character perspectives and kind of have like, you know, different actresses be like the spotlight character each episode.

But then you also have those other characters that are kind of like popping in and out. and might be like a bigger character in future episodes. So like I just want notes on an execution into a miniseries with that vibe. Because the book is so dark. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I feel like with all, yeah, I feel like with all the character perspectives, like you would have to do a miniseries.

Yes. But that's what I was noticing when I was picking them. I was like, so anything that had like an ensemble cast, I was like, that needs to be TV. Yeah. I felt the same way. Yeah. Nice. Well, okay, so first, I also tried to focus on books I hadn't talked about a bunch already since there are some I've talked about a bunch. So that might be the one reason we have like, quite a few different ones. I'm out. Well, it's okay. It's okay because I will agree with a lot of years. But the Paradox Hotel is, one that I had here at the beginning of my list. I don't know why I'm saying it that way, but it is like a, it's a near future sci-fi thriller in that time travel is possible. And so a,

I can't remember what she's called, but it's kind of like a time, it's like the DEA for time. So like an agency that makes sure like people aren't doing shady shit with time travel, that detective is at the Paradox Hotel, which is the hotel next to basically a time travel airport. And she's seeing a body in a room, like a murder, that hasn't happened there yet. And she's trying to figure out what happened to that person before they get murdered. And then there are so many cool characters at the hotel. That was another reason that I thought this one would be good for a mini series as well. Like the author Rob Hart, he just did a really good job of like having some fun like be characters.

Like it's not like they have a perspective or anything or a point of view, whatever. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. So yeah, I feel like that one would be so good. And I do know when I talked to him, it was optioned for it. But you never know. So I would love to see that one. Have you heard of or read the book The Shining Girls by Lauren?

I watched the TV show before I knew it was a book. So I've seen a TV show. I'm going to say it kind of sounds like that book might be your vibe as well. Yeah. If you like that book. Yeah, I love that one so much. Yeah. It would be so fun. I would watch it and that I could decide later if I wanted to.

Yes. Read the book. It's so good. So mine. I'm going to agree with you. So. Mine, my next one, to no one surprise whatsoever, a book that I've never talked about in my life is the woman inside by E.G. Scott. Yes.

I love this book. I mean, it is like the perfect combination of like a thriller kind of like gone girl meets like domestic drama from like the War of the Roses. Yeah. Which if anybody hasn't watched the movie or read the book The War the Roses, like that's your cue to do it because it's really good.

But the woman inside is just like the perfect novel for me. I mean, it is. amazing and I would love to see it as a series because I feel like a movie would either have to be like three hours long like Quentin Tarantio style or it would like be an hour and a half two hours and there would be points that like from the book that wouldn't be able to be adapted well into a movie so I just love the woman inside and I've talked about it enough that I don't think that I have to tell everybody what it's about, but it's domestic drama, and

yeah, it's phenomenal. So that's... It's so good. I did. I was thinking about that one, too. Yeah, because you finished it recently. I did, like last week or something like that, something like that. But yes, I even finally read it because you talk about it.

Did you, um, did you love the ending? Because I don't know how I feel about the ending. I feel like... I feel about the ending. feel like that was something I was very curious about because, like, you were, like, updating me on your reading progress the entire time. And then, like, we never discussed the ending. So I'm very curious. Like, so for me, like, the ending, like, perfect.

Yeah. But I can see where it is a very, like, polarizing ending. Yeah, it's definitely a polarizing ending. I didn't dislike it. And I see, I definitely see how it. it's a really artistic arc for their story. So like in that way, I like it, if that makes sense. But I definitely did finish it,

like in the middle of the night one night. Yeah, that was one that I like, we watched, we watched the patient on Hulu, which, oh my God, it is so worth watching.

Polarizing ending. Another polarizing. Oh, really? Oh, very polarizing. Yeah. Some people hate the entire show when they get to the ending. Oh. I started it and I watched like two episodes.

I love a miserable, sad ending. You will love it. Okay, good. I watched like, I think like two episodes and I was like, I was like waiting for the third one, I think. And then like it was just one of those things where like I enjoyed it, but like I wasn't dying to watch the next one. So maybe I'll just have to like binge it. And it hadn't all aired until like two weeks ago. So that's like we waited until we could binge it all.

And it is it's so I cried in a lot of episodes. It like covers some very interesting stuff like once you get into the third and fourth and forward. But the ending was so realistic, very realistic. And it fit the whole story that they were telling. So then after that and I was wrecked. like I sobbed my way through the last 10 minutes like so the point of time was like are you okay and I was like well no um so then I'm like sad about that but like I had 10% left in the woman inside and he like came home and was like let's watch something so I like started the last 10% at like 1130 and

finished it like at 1230 or something no it was even later that point being I stayed up way too late to get to the end. And then because I wrecked my sleep so much, I was like messed up for the next two days just from my sleep being messed up. And that's more why I didn't end up reaching out. Because then I was like barely keeping it together to get work done. But I think it was a very artistic, beautiful ending. Yeah. And I, well, I mean, like nothing against it either. But like, you had already emotionally wrecked yourself before the ending to that book. So you kind of emotionally wrecked yourself twice. That's what Tyler, like he could. tell I was finished. He was like, how was that ending? I was like, another sad one. He was like, what?

He was like, how'd that happen? I was like, I don't know. Garrett. Tyler is going to be like, we stopped impressed. Oh my gosh. He was like, how is that possible? Oh, my lord. I think, I think the endings you're not. not hoping for when they happen, it like helps reinforce me not thinking I ever know how a book will end. So I also feel that way about it. Yeah. I just love like a shocking ending. So have you

watched the movie The War of the Roses? No. Okay. You've told me too. I keep reading the books. It's been it's been my favorite. Like I mean, my parents know this now, but like the War of the Roses is not an appropriate movie for like anyone under the age of like, I would say 16. And like it has been my favorite movie since I was like a child because I knew how to find the VHS tape and like watch the movie in my bedroom when I should not have been. And like it has been my favorite movie for my entire life. And the book and the movie are very similar in how they explore their relationship. Yeah. But, yeah. Yeah, it's just my favorite movie in the entire world.

So it'll make sense. But I mean, I just, yeah, there was a lot going on in that book. And I felt like the whole time it was like very like thrilling. And then the ending is very sad. Like the ending is very sad. So it was such a twist for me, not in the sense of like shocking. Like it was a shocking. I didn't see it coming ending.

But it was such a change. in going from like a thriller that was very dark and like fast-paced to something that ends very emotional yes it really does though and it would be what you're laughing at bruce you're like you're like oh my god like it's like almost like i could see you like reliving your emotions reading that book again and like here I'm like cackling like wasn't it fantastic yeah I mean well you know what I was saying to you at one point where I was like I really hope this doesn't happen and I think this is what's happening and then I was right about one of the things and it does the sad one stick with me they make me heavy sigh yeah but it would also be really good on TV because of

the amount of twists and new information you get. Like each episode could be left on such a cliffhanger. That would be so perfect for TV. And I like that with like all of their stories. They don't, they're not like one of those, you know, authors that like save all the twists and turns for the end where you're like, the last 10% is going to take me four hours because I'm trying to piece everything together. Like they like have reveals throughout their story, which is more realistic. Let's be honest.

It is. It is. Well, in the ending doesn't feel out of place. It doesn't feel like one of those twists they write at the end just to be like, oh, there was a twist. Yeah. It feels right. It feels right. It just feels really sad.

Luckily, I have a good relationship with Greg and Liz who wrote the book. Yeah. I have been telling everybody and their mother to read this book literally since it came out and I believe 2017. So we're going on five years of me not shutting up about this book. So like, if you think that conversation is a spoiler, that's your own damn fault. I agree. Like everybody like my mailman, anybody I meet at like the supermarket, like everybody in my entire world, like I have a tattoo on my body that says like read this book. Like it's like literally I don't have a woman inside tattoo, but maybe one day.

But like I literally like that is like that is like literally like my like the reason that I was like put on this earth is to provide people with like a dark sense of humor that's very sarcastic and to tell you to watch the woman inside and like period that's it. Like so if anybody thinks that that's like you don't know what the sad ending is because there's still so many. That's kind of how I feel. Yeah. But I mean. The sad ending I was worried about it doesn't it doesn't give it away. Yeah. It's also like if you found this podcast through my Instagram, like that is not a spoiler because you know that I love endings that are realistic.

I don't love a happy ending where everything's like all wrapped up and everybody just like lives happily ever after with no trauma whatsoever. Like I love a realistic, sad traumatizing ending and I also love the woman inside. So. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's true. It's why you love the patient too. It's a it is really it's a great story. telling. There's another one with Stanley Tucci in it. I think it's called Inside Man. Yeah. So those are the two that everybody's been telling me to watch. Mm-hmm. I want to watch that one. We debated starting that or the patient this week and we did the patient instead or last week, whatever. And then, but Tyler once wants to watch. Apparently, I can't use words inside man. So he's basically he's gone until this weekend. So I think we'll watch it this weekend. So inside man's your next watch this weekend. Yeah. Maybe I'll do it this weekend too.

Yeah. Yeah. Then we could talk about that. Then we can talk about it. I want to because my two things that I want to do in the month of November are I want to watch the fall with Jillian Anderson and Jamie Dornan. Is that his name? Yes. Yeah. So I want to watch that because I did start it like a while ago and I never finished it. And it's so good. And I also want to catch up on stranger things. Oh, yeah. So those are my two things. But, like, I could definitely fit four hours of the inside ban in this weekend.

Yeah, because I think it's a little less than four even because it's like 40, 40 minute episodes. After my double romp with Harry Styles. Oh, my gosh. I don't know if you can be able to focus on anything else. You're like for the first time since we met, I'm here from you for three days. Yeah. Yeah. For real.

The next time, like, the next podcast, like, I pop up on Zoom with, like, a lit cigarette, like, hanging out of my hair. Like, you gotta watch those movies. For real, though. I do want to watch my policeman, so maybe I'll watch that, too. Yeah, I'm going to watch anything that he does. Oh, my God. A work of art. Okay.

What's your next? So my next one actually is actually a book. I'm cracking you up that much. We're cracking me up, but I love how like I threw you off and you were like, my next one's actually a book. I'm like, oh. That's hilarious. My next one's actually a book and I'm like, oh, wow.

A book on our podcast. You don't see. Oh, my God. I totally, you are you laughing now. This is the way I was trying to say, and then I paused awkwardly, was it's a book I've been like trying to bring up at some point, and then I never, it just hasn't fit, but it's what I've always remembered loving when I read it. And it's called Never Have I Ever by Joshlin Jackson.

And I think it would be. I think it's another one that would be a really great TV show. Big little lies vibes. Yes. So you have read it? Good. Okay, cool. What was her name, Angelina?

Angelica. Yeah. Angelica Roo. Yeah, like very big little lies vibes. Like it's like kind of a strange, sexy new neighbor joins their book club one week. And then to this. woman Amy, who just has like a, just a sweet little life with her stepdaughter and her baby and her husband and she just teaches diving or she does diving lessons. And all of a sudden,

Angelica is threatening her. We don't quite know why. And then you figure out. But there are so many things going on in that book. And it's another one where like, you could almost like, like the affair, you could almost be showing different. Yeah, you could almost do that whole switch characters each episode. And I think it'd be so good that way. So that was why I wanted to bring up. And it is a book. I would watch that.

I would watch that. But I need Angelina Jolie to play Angelica Rue. That would be perfect. Like, just. in with your beautiful self that like never ages and your perfect freaking hair. And did you see that video that went viral of Angelina Jolie over the summer where like she was at like a concert and it was just like very much like what is it called? Like she wasn't like posing for like a camera or anything. Like it was like candid. Yes. And it was like a candid video that like somebody took of her.

and like she just like looked phenomenal like in every like shot of it like at like some concert and I was just like oh my god why are you so perfect but yeah I'd like to see her as Angelina or Angelica Roo. As herself. I would love to see her. I just love her but yeah I do. She'd be perfect. I love how like all of like the ones that you're talking about I'm like wow that'd be a really good idea like oh I'm liking that and they're all like very different. and mine are just all pretty much going to be thrillers that I haven't shut up about. So my next one's also based on a book. That's such a coincidence.

This one I want to see as a movie. Nice. Because I feel as though the flashbacks in this book, I want to see if I can do this and you can guess what book I'm talking about. Nice, because that's what I was trying to do. Yeah. I saw the little wheels spinning, you know? Yeah. So this one, I think, would be a really good movie because it would be one of those movies

similar to like how Gone Girl was adapted in the sense that like, if it was a series, I feel like you'd have to space out too much and you wouldn't have as much like, you'd have like pacing problems. Yeah. So this one I want to see as a movie, but I would pretty much save all of them. the flashbacks throughout the book toward the end with the big reveal. I think cinematically, the setting is perfect because it's in Washington. Okay.

Okay. And it's a serial killer. It is jar of parts. I'm so glad I went for it. Oh, my God. I'm so glad you did too. But like, I just think that would be such a good. It'd be a really good movie.

And I would love, like, I like the flashbacks throughout the story if you're reading it. But I feel like if you saved them toward the end, it would be really, really cool, like, last half hour of the movie. If, like, in the finale, you get, like, two minutes of a flashback, two minutes present time, two minutes. And it's just, like, bouncing back and forth. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, we're having all of the realizations at the end. Just like save them for that part.

Yeah. Yeah. Like everything that like happened to them in high school and stuff. But yeah, jar of hearts. I mean, any Jennifer Hillier basically could be on on this list. Yeah. So. It really could be.

Yeah. I know once you said Washington, I was like, well, it could be any of them. And then I was like trying to narrow it down. Clearly, I did. Yeah. If I mean, yeah, because also like. you know, you're doing a good job at, like, talking about things that, like, you haven't really talked about a lot on the podcast and, like, I'm doing the complete opposite, but, like, it is also

fucked you up with that comment. It's also real, no, I just, like, really funny because, like, I need my list and I was like, crushed it. And then you were like, I'm going to do books that, like, I haven't really talked about. And I was like, I'm not. I've been a list of everything that I've never shut up about since we started recording. But, um, but yeah, I mean, It's also to, you know, to my personality, it's similar to like the woman inside. It's like, no matter what kind of conversation or topic we're talking about on this podcast, like, there's going to be a way that I mentioned Jennifer Hillier at any episode. Like, I could fit her into any conversation. So Jara Farts was obviously on my list with damn good reason.

Oh, yeah. I think it'd be a really good movie. Yeah. One that I have for a movie is upgrade by Blake Crouch. The whole, like all of his books feel extremely cinematic. So that's like, obviously it can feel cinematic and be good for a TV. But it always makes me think of like big screen, that kind of a movie. Like a movie going experience?

Yes, like that. Big bucket of popcorn. Harry Stiles and he's like, my favorite thing about the movie is it feels like a movie. Oh my God. It sounds like he's here. I really committed. It was very nervous. Wow.

That was really good. That was really good. You did a Harry Stiles impersonation and I literally saying a Taylor Swift lyric in the beginning of this. I'm like, wow. This is now an impersonation podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, yeah.

I could see that. Harry Stiles style of a movie feeling like a movie. Upgrade would feel like a movie. And it's sci-fi, sci-fi thriller. The gist of it is gene editing is possible. And that can make you like stronger, have faster reflexes. Like anything for the most part that you would want to have. have an advantage with in an action thriller, you can edit your jeans to be that way now.

Oh, but as you can imagine. Oh, I know. And this one, like, I had so many highlights. Like, I know he's busy, but I had so many things I wanted to talk to him about. So, like, I tried, but it's okay. He's busy. He can't read all his DMs. But obviously, you can see the downsides of being able to edit DNA.

and there are people that are trying to use it for bad reasons. And so the main character is trying to put a stop to that. So there's a scene at the end because part of New York City is underwater, or most of it is underwater, like 20 feet of it. But there's a scene at the end where like he's coming into the city on a boat and like climbing onto a skyscraper because the water's already that high. So he's like climbing through a window and then has to like sneak around to find these people up top. And it just felt like I was watching a movie the whole time I was reading it. It was one of those times where like I forgot I was

reading. Like I was just like seeing it so much. Processing like yeah. Yeah. Stuff's like that. Have you read all of his books? I have. I am a big fan. Dark matter. I think that was his first one. It was at least the first one of his that I read. And they're filming that right now. I know. I saw him posting about that. You know who I saw posting about it? Who? Geneva Rose. Really? They were like filming like legit like two feet outside of her apartment. Yeah. I did see that. And I was like, wow. She was like literally right outside. Yeah. Like her husband like they're so funny. They're hilarious. They're so funny but like they were just like yeah yeah Drew's Drew's wife yeah yeah what does Drew think um but yeah

Drew and I don't know if anyone's heard of his wife Geneva but um Drew and Geneva yeah they were like legit just like hanging out outside of their apartment building like kind of like seeing the action which I think is like really cool because yes um you kind of see like if you see like something being filmed or whatever like when they see the movie they're going to remember what that looked like before all of like the movie magic you know what I mean like so I just think that's like super cool but yeah I'll have to like

I'll have to ask you sometime when I'm ready to like dive in which Blake Crouch I should start with because I feel like had the least to keep track of dark matter has like parallel universes and like multiple versions of yourself interacting. That one had like a lot of the sci-fi stuff. I feel like you don't always love. But upgrade it slowly.

Yeah, that's true too. Because there is a thriller movie that has a sci-fi aspect that I absolutely loved. And it's an old 90s movie. And it's called Unforgetable. Okay. with Ray Leota, I think, in it. But it's like basically this like guy who's like wife is murdered and he finds this like doctor that can inject him with this drug that can like he can like see things from like his wife's perspective. And he starts getting like he starts getting visions from the serial killer or the murder.

I don't know if it was a serial killer if it was like a one time murder kind of thing. But he basically starts getting visions from the killer's point of. view. Whoa. So, like, he, like, starts working with the police to, like, try to, like, catch the guy. It was really good. That sounds so cool. I'd never even heard of this.

Yeah. Yeah. I think you'd definitely be into it. Yeah, I need to watch that for sure. Um, did you say one? Or did I just say upgrade? No, you did, Blake. I think I just said upgrade.

Um, so I'm really realizing that, like, maybe a lot of mine weren't movies. Um, I didn't have tons. Yeah. I want to see, this would definitely have to be like a mini series. It could definitely be like an inside man kind of thing where it's only like a few episodes, like maybe like four to six. But white ivy by Susie Yang. You're right. That would be so good. Multi genre, which obviously I love. But I just love that story. Like there are so many cinematic. I want to say it was like New Year's Eve speaking of. There's like one part where she's like getting ready or preparing for New Year's Eve or something and they're like describing her apartment and like the winter and everything. And I was like, you just kind of like picture it. But then there's

this really good contrast where there's like scenes by a beach and there's a freaking insane moment toward the end of the book that like... A couple. Just like knocked me right out of my chair. Oh yeah. And cinematically, that one would be amazing. Amazing. Yeah. So White Ivy.

Like, I mean, I never shut up about White Ivy either, but like I just definitely want to... Very good. Want to see... I want to see that happen. Because I just, I mean... I also want to like another book from her, but why Ivy is my jam.

Like I just, I want to read it again. I've only read it once. Excuse me. I've only read it once, but it like checks all the boxes for me. It's one of the best books I've ever read in my entire life. Yeah, you brought it up like when we first started recording. And it was one of the, it was one of the first books you mentioned that I read. Because I had gotten, I had gotten into the habit of mostly reading new releases.

so I could get authors on my podcast. And so then when you were recommending other books, that was like, I still remember that book is like the beginning of me, like just reading anything I wanted to again. And it was so good. So good. I loved that one. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's kind of how I feel about the lucky one by Jessica Payne. Yeah. Because like you were recommending things to me too. And I was like, that was one of those moments where, similar to like you being like that was a moment where you could read whatever you want like for me that was the moment where I was like

I can buy this book and read it even though it's been out for like a hot minute because I was so focused on the books that I'm getting from publishers and like advanced copies and everything like that but I was like this is one of those times where I can like take a minute to like read and read something I want to read you know and I mean not that I don't want to read them

but like I know what you mean you know like you had that option because like sometimes there's like a book that came out like 10 years ago and I'm like I've always wanted to read that but I feel right you know a little bogged down with everything I'm trying to read as it as it comes out so right but white ivy it's just I mean it's so good probably one of my top five favorite books in the entire world yeah yeah now I'm like trying to figure out what my five are. And I'm like, it's just an expression. I don't have to think of my top five. That'll be maybe a future episode. Yeah. It definitely could be. People are going to be, oh, Garrett, the woman inside.

Still. Everyone's like, well, we know what it is going to be. Yeah, Kate, just do yours. Yeah, I know. I can get this great. Most people could probably. figure out a few of ours. Yeah. Yeah, probably.

Ahead of time. Unless they hadn't been listening and it was the first episode they listened to. So who knows? Yeah. Or maybe we could explain why. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have another one for a movie. And it's a book.

It is a criminal defense by William L. Myers Jr., quite the name. And it is a part of a legal thriller series that I loved so much. Like super twisty. There were some like flashbacks and like people's past intertwining in ways you didn't expect necessarily. So this one is when a young reporter is found dead and a prominent Philadelphia businessman is accused of her murder.

Mick McFarland finds himself involved in the case of his life. so basically there are a lot of spider webs of things happening and he's trying to unravel it from a legal perspective and it's so good I love that and so it would be it would also be really good as like it could be movies because like it's not like there's so many characters either and it's a little bit procedural since it's a legal thriller so I feel like it could still have like sequels um But it doesn't work. It doesn't need to be a TV show, though. I don't think.

Well, I'll have to check that out because I actually read one of my first legal thrillers this year, and I loved it. And I definitely want to get back into them. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Defending Jacob was another one that I really liked. Did you read Defending Jacob? No, I haven't even heard of it. You haven't?

No. Oh, my God. It's like this. I love it. I bet. It's this like district attorney. Yeah. Or assistant district attorney.

I don't know. Yep. And his son is like the prime suspect and like a murder. Wow. And that looks great. Yeah. It is so good. So, so, so good.

There's a TV show. There's a mini series. Oh, there is. Starring Chris Evans. It's out already? Yeah. It came out like 2020, I think. It's on Apple TV.

Wow. Yeah. Okay. Nice. Apple TV has good stuff. Good shit, yeah. Yeah. So yeah, you would love, I think you would really love the book. I can't wait to discuss some, like, some intense things with you. And then you could watch the show.

But yeah. That's exciting. If you, because that's honestly, it's, honestly, it's, that one and first victim by Debbie Babbitt are the only two legal thrillers that I've really read, except for like the good daughter by Karen Slaughter, but like, you know, obviously I'm going to read Karen Slaughter, but both of them were fantastic. Oh, it's so good. So good.

Oh, nice. I definitely need to read this one. Yeah. I love legal thrillers. Okay. Then those two are, those two are solid, like defending Jacob. I'm going to have to bump that one up. You're going to have to bump it up.

But like, I also think that the ending is very shocking and polarizing and emotional. Like, the whole story is emotional because you have this man who, like, you know, he's like, my son's perfect. My son can do no wrong. But it's not, like, it's not like, the son in the book isn't necessarily

like, it's not like the big job. who's like the most popular kid who's like accused of something like it's like the more like sensitive emotional like my son's like the kindest boy in the world kind of kid you know what he means so like there's a lot of like emotional scenes where like he has to go back and forth with like my son could never do this and like is my son capable because i mean like all of the evidence and everything points toward the fact that his son did it so But like that's just like a side of his son that he doesn't know and he doesn't see. Right.

You know. Right. But yeah, it's a very, very, very incredible thing to think about with having kids is like, you do not know who they're going to be. Whatever how you parent them, you don't know how they're going to be. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like also like, I mean, I'm sure there's like some truth of this too, but like you kind of like

see things that people share on social media where they're like, you need to like it you need to teach your son to do this this and this and this and it's like you need to teach your daughter to do this this and this and like teach your kids to do that and it's like sometimes that like obviously works like there's only so much you can do as a parent but like there other times were like growing up like there were so many people that like I went to school with or I was like you guys are like diabolical demon assholes and your parents are like the kindest people in the world so I know that they didn't raise you to be the like evil fucker that you are.

So there's only so much that parents can do. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. That's why we are childless. Same. I have no children and no whole past.

That's what I meant. Like you and I like says the two childless podcasters. Oh my God. Live in life. Just living life, yeah. Did you imagine how many books I couldn't read if I had a kid? That's exactly how I feel.

I have to say I was cracking up in the Burning Girl because when Charlotte asked or Charlie asks Marty why he didn't ever marry her grandma, he is like, we just didn't feel the need to like put that label on it. We like seeing each other on the weekends and she liked saying she was married. for the weekends. And he was like, if I'd been around any more than that, I would have cut into her reading time. And I was like, oh, that's so sweet. So when Tyler left, he was like, I can't cut into your reading time anymore. Have a good week. Tyler gets it, June. You know what I mean? He does get it. Like Tyler gets it 100%. He does. That's what I mean. Yeah. Because if I date somebody

and they're like, oh, I don't get it. Why you want to be like an introvert and like, right. Like, do all of this. Like I like to do things. I'm just not like into like big social gatherings. Like I'm definitely like more of like a one-on-one kind of person. Yes. And I like to go out to dinner or like go out to lunch or meet up for coffee and then like catch up for a couple of hours.

And then I'm going to go home and I'm going to read. That's exactly how I do it. I just don't do it every week. That's the jam. Yeah. Yeah, it is. What else do I have? What else do I have?

Oh, I thought look closer would be such a good TV show from multiple perspectives. That would be another one where you could definitely switch between the characters. And now I'm trying to make sure I look at the synopsis. so I don't spoil anything in my description of this. But let's see, what did I say? So when the body of a beautiful sociolite is found hanging in a mansion and nearby suburb, Simon and Vicki's marriage and secrets begin to unravel. So that's the gist.

Yes, but there are so many character perspectives and so many reveals. I think it would be so good for TV. I think it would be really good for TV. Really good for TV. I also think it could work as a movie. Yeah. If it was literally David Fincher, who directed Gone Girl, and David Ellis writes the screenplay, the author of the book. Because I just, you know, because of Gillian Flynn and Anne Rice, and, and, and, and, and,

And Jessica Noel, like, I have so much respect for authors who write the scripts for their movies. You know, like, I mean, Anne Rice made interview with The Vampire so good because nobody else could have captured that into a movie. Yeah. So, like, and Jessica Noel, like, crushed it with Lucky's Girl Alive. Like, that is one of, you know. Yeah. So nobody, you know what I mean? And that's kind of like I feel that way about a lot of adaptations.

So I could definitely see it as like a show or a movie. I just think that the author would need to be a major, major, major part of that. Because that story is very complex. And I feel like... So complex. The only person who could help with that like transition to scream is him. I agree. I totally agree. I love that one. I still think I am. I have what that I want to see as a mini-series. And I, this is the one I thought we would overlap. Uh-huh. In my dreams I hold a knife. Definitely. Definitely. I had that like way down on my list for like if I needed to say another one. Yeah. I definitely. I mean, the last housewife also.

But in my dreams I hold a knife. Like I just, like when I was reading it, the ending. Yeah, I think that one would be good as a series because of the perspectives, the multiple perspectives to you. Yeah. And the big reveal, the big finale, if we will, like would play on film so well. It would. I even like,

messaged Ashley Winstead and was like, this is how I would picture it being on film. Yeah. This is how I would picture the opening credits. Yeah. Yep. Of this being on film. Mm-hmm. I'd be so good.

So good. So, so, so good. I would love to see it. I would love to see it. Me too. And I would love to cast it. I know. We need to make that happen with something.

you know, I only got it right once. Yeah. Confessions on the 745 by Lisa Unger. When I read it and did my casting, I picked Jessica Alba as the, like, main character, Selena. And Jessica Alba is going to be producing and starring as Selena in Confessions on the 745. Oh my gosh. I don't know how I missed that. It's the only time I've gotten it right ever.

That is so cool. Actually, I did picture Emily Blunt as Rachel and the girl on the train. I don't know if that was already announced when I read it or if I just pictured it, but there's no evidence of it because I read it before I started bookstore. Sorry, my other dog just popped up out of the darkness, so I got distracted. What are you doing up here, Mom? Do you have any others? I think that's it.

I only have... Do you have another one. Okay, good. I have one more too. Okay. So I have... Don't believe it by Charlie Donnelly. We've kind of talked about it.

But that's one that kind of has like a documentary-esque feel to it already, like trying to unravel what actually happened to this girl when she was in Italy. something like that. So, like, being able to do, like, a fictional documentary in a TV series form while you're trying to solve something would be so fun on TV. So fun. I would love to see that. That would be a really good one, too. Any of his books actually would be really good.

They really would be. I was scrolling and saw that one, though, and I was like, oh, that one could even, like, play around with the mediums a little bit the way that it tells it. the girl who was taken would be really good too. Yeah. And some choose darkness. Yes, that whole series. It's so good.

Yeah. Yeah. I think my last one that I would do as a series is unsubb by Meg Gardner. Right now it's a trilogy. I'm like crossing my fingers and like praying to like anybody who will listen that like there's going to be a fourth book and more. but it's so good and it's such an enjoyable like series for somebody to read who loves crime fiction because each book is loosely based off from like a popular crime case like the first book is based off the zodiac killer the second one is Ted Bundy the third one is the Golden State Killer

So like it's kind of one of those things where like it would be really good as a mini series because you could also do, you know, each season being a different book. Yeah. But you kind of keep your like main core cast like Caitlin Hendricks, who's like the main protagonist. But it's just so good. And I love them. And it's like one of those things that like if I ever find myself in a reading rut or I'm like I ever think of those books that like I loved so much that I want to read again. like the unsub trilogy best far, hopefully series.

But like the unsub trilogy is like those ones that I want to read like over and over again. Those would be really good as like anthology seasons basically. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm kind of thinking. But I would

want it to be like on Showtime or HBO Max or something where like you can get the full like not cable TV really no no I want like every gritty detail especially in the second book because like the killer that's like loosely based off

Ted Bundy into the black nowhere is so good in the sense that there are these really really terrifying scenes and the finale is so brutal that like even if you tried to do it for cable

it just would not work because people would be like, my 10-year-old kid saw this accidentally and I'm suing NBC. Exactly. So, but yeah, unsubb, 100%. That would be good. I have that on my, I have all of those on my list to read, too. I have so many to read. So many, so many.

Did you have any, like, reservations about any? Like, were there any that you were like, ooh, maybe, but I, I don't know. I had my lovely wife on here, but I couldn't decide if it should be a TV show or a movie. So that's one. I was kind of indecisive on that one, but I just love that story so much. I love that. I'd like to see that as a movie, I think.

I think that's what I was leaning towards. Yeah. I could see that as like a gone girl kind of like something like two and a half hours long, but just like crushing it the entire time. And also like same director like David Fincher would kill it with that. I had one that I was like, well, I mean, yeah, I had one. Please See Us by Caitlin Mullen. I still need to read that one too.

It's so good. I would love it. But like, so the thing is, is like I was going to say this one. I want to see it as a mini series. because this is one of those stories where it's a serial killer in Atlantic City, but there's so many like different storylines that are happening, but you also get a viewpoint from the Jane Does that he's murdered and what they were like. Like, it's not just like, oh, Sarah's walking down the sidewalk and then she gets taken and you don't know anything. It's like, you know, you know so much about

these characters because you get the perspective from the Jane Does that I thought, like, I would love to see as a mini-series, but like the reason I don't know how this would work is because, like, I would need to actually like pick up Caitlin Mullen in my car, like, get her some Starbucks, and then like make sure that like she and I both had total creative control because like I would want to like, I would want to be like 100% in charge of casting. I'd want to be like in charge of picking the director. I'd want her to write every episode because, like, she put her, like, heart and soul into, like, this book. So, like, you can't trust this in somebody else's hands. No, no. I just want to cast it and, like, get her coffee and, like, just tell her every day.

Like, I love the story. I love you. And you're perfect. Don't change, you know. This is amazing. You're doing amazing, sweetie. Yeah. Like, it would make me very nervous if, like, they announced that it was going to be a movie or a series because of this alone because I love it so much that I'm like, I need to be part of this process. Hey guys, I hope you enjoyed the episode. Be sure to follow us on Instagram so that you can keep up with everything we're reading and talking about. You can follow Garrett at Garrett Indeed reads. And you can follow me, Kate, at The Girl with a Book on the couch.